bedwars with an enderpearl kit

[still thunder]

eggwars is good but a bedwars with fireball $40iron and a kit with enderpearl in skywars or other games will be magic!! and a main block in bedwars needs be wool

[dawn epoch]

difference between eggwars and bedwars?

[still thunder]

maps loot price of itens tnt and fireball knockback with this u can do fire jump with this like hyperlands

eggwars is good but i think need more tryhard things

[compact ruin]

then play hyperlands

[dawn epoch]

The goal of cubecraft is to keep players on, not loose them

[compact ruin]

why should cubecraft steal another servers gamemode

[dawn epoch]

Stealing? Then tell me why cubecraft has survival games, skywars and skyblock

[compact ruin]

your argument is pointless?

[dawn epoch]

yeah, of all the things they could do to gain players, adding bedwars would be the least effective

[compact ruin]

this is a suggestion to add bedwars to cubecraft when eggwars already exists, and cubecraft wouldnt gain players from stealing hyperlands game theyd lose players

[compact ruin]

cubecraft has survival games, skywars, and skyblock because they didnt steal them they made their own version of the game, much like how bedwars is a variation of eggwars

[dawn epoch]

So do you believe if cubecraft were to add bedwars now.. it would be a copy and paste of the others?

[compact ruin]

obviously

thats what people want

[limber tendon]

if thats their goal, they're failing miserably

[dawn epoch]

Do you think that it would be good for cubecraft to have more gamemodes?

[compact ruin]

not bedwars

[limber tendon]

what good would that do if the main problems aren't addressed

and bedwars is literally just eggwars with a reskin, not only is that incredibly lazy, but why play it, if there's already eggwars

[dawn epoch]

What would you suggest then

[compact ruin]

I would suggest not adding a new game and using dev resources on the anticheat and accepting more mods to address that issue

especially with the 1.19 update coming soon theres no need whatsoever for a new game mode, especially a remake of a game they already have

[dawn epoch]

actually no, if they keep adding more gamemodes eventually the least popular gamemodes would have to be removed

Good point, the anti cheat isn't so efficient rn

[dawn epoch]

Process of elimination

[still thunder]

i cant i play in ps4

[still thunder]

that isnt same game eggwars u cant do a lot of things and in bedwars u can

and adding bedwars will catch new player from other servers like lifeboat cause bedwars from him its a completelly trash and treasure wars from the hive

[compact ruin]

adding bedwars would lose a lot of players and drop cubecrafts reputation

[dawn epoch]

I see logic isn't your strong suit

[compact ruin]

you havent even thought of the drawbacks of stealing another servers gamemode

that server will spread news that cubecraft stole their gamemode and creators will report on it

[dawn epoch]

First of all, how is it stealing?

[compact ruin]

itll greatly affect their reputation, which will affect their player count

[dawn epoch]

.

[compact ruin]

cuz this suggestion is literally to steal hyperlands bedwars

[compact ruin]

.

@dawn epoch

[dawn epoch]

You know there are countless servers with bedwars

[compact ruin]

do you know what they all have in common

theyre not the biggest bedrock server

theyre not the second biggest either

[dawn epoch]

Bro use logic for a second, hypixel is the biggest server on Java and has bedwars

[compact ruin]

nethergames made an exact copy of hypixel bedwars they get significantly less players than cubecraft and hive

[dawn epoch]

Who said cubecraft must copy and paste

[compact ruin]

the guy who made the thread

[dawn epoch]

Cubecraft can make a diffrent map and add unique items

Do you see a problem with cubecraft doing that?

[compact ruin]

yes i do

[dawn epoch]

Explain the problem

[compact ruin]

they have this game called eggwars, which is the original bedwars. theres no reason to have 2 of basically the same game on the server especially when bedwars isnt even their idea and any changes to the original eggwars can be done during different seasons.

its also not worth their time whatsoever to make another copy of their own game that is already the most popular version on bedrock

[dawn epoch]

@compact ruin you familiar with a game called Blockman go?

[compact ruin]

no

[dawn epoch]

Hold up

50M Players, and they have both modes

Both modes do very well

Evgwars And Bedwars

[compact ruin]

youre comparing a minecraft server to a mobile game...

[dawn epoch]

Off brand Cubecraft 💀💀💀

[compact ruin]

i already said that the most popular version of eggwars on bedrock is cubecrafts, and a copy of hypixel bedwars on nethergames doesnt get close to their player counts

[dawn epoch]

No one except one guy said copy

use your logic

[compact ruin]

nethergames bedwars is a copy of hypixel

thats a fact not an opinion

[still thunder]

no u can doo diferent maps itens loot but the same logic bruh

[limber tendon]

what I feel like you're arguing is the classic false equivalency fallacy, i.e. comparing apples to oranges; just because one game seems to be doing well with bedwars and eggwars, doesn't mean others will

[limber tendon]

also, why make a completely seperate gamemode, when you can simply add maps to eggwars, I fail to see the reasoning behind completely committing server resources and time, into a new gamemode for it to ultimately just to be a map update

*and again unique items? why would that require a completely seperate gamemode

[compact ruin]

aka eggwars

[compact ruin]

exactly the reason they added seasons

[dawn epoch]

It comes to there being more content, bedwars is more beneficial for youtubers redardinh views and is a bigger name than eggwars in general, therefor it could attract bigger audiences.. and like I said continuously, cubecrafts goal is to keep players and get more coming in and if there's more high quality content that is very commonly known on such a bigger server, it's bound to blow up

[strong minnow]

that would be good

then people would be able to clutch without blocks

W idea

[limber tendon]

are you saying that because bedwars has a name that's more synonymous with the popular servers, it would catch more attention, therefore have potential to grow an audience, if so there are a couple of faults with that argument, the first being that bedwars is more known among java than bedrock, bedrock doesn't center itself based off its servers, so even if its name were to catch slightly more attention among a community that isn't privy towards eggwars/bedwars, there won't be much change, In regards towards the argument towards there being more content; how exactly is the exact same gamemode with slight alterations more content, the name change alone isn't enough to warrant such a commitment.

[dawn epoch]

Well if you look at the statistics, Java players videos gain more views from bedrock players alone compared to bedrock youtubers, therefor no matter what your argument is, bedrock players are very familiar towards what bedwars actually is, and to counter your second point, there are many things bedwars has that eggwars does not... the most common mis conception people make is saying that eggwars is bedwars just without an egg, BUT then why was there a need to make an eggwars in the first place, or the other way around

[limber tendon]

in regards to the first point, viewing and playing are two completely seperate things, if bedwars was such an improvement, don't you think servers that provided it would be much larger, I'm well aware that the main servers that do provide it such as nethergames aren't featured and that could be argued that its why it isn't as big as the featured servers, however that would imply that people in the bedrock community aren't interested enough in the concept to try and find a server with it (it really isn't difficult to do so), so what good would bringing something that clearly hasn't shown enough attention, even if people make content on it, what difference does that make? People are all of a sudden going to want to play it despite not wanting to from content (that as pointed out by your own argument) catches the attention of a lot bedrock players. How is the situation different from before? To address the second argument, well it isn't really an argument at all, you made a claim, but haven't really elaborated on it, I implore you to name at least 10 things that makes bedwars different from eggwars, that can't just simply be a feature added to the existing eggwars

[dawn epoch]

People aren't gonna go looking for eggwars either, let alone mineware -_-, but majority of bedrock players are kids that don't even know what an ip is, and granted, servers like nethergames are way more buggy and glitchy, so why would players use their time on those,

1. Egg and Bed
2. Diffrent Items
3. Diamond Generators To Make Team Upgrades
4. Diffrent Island Design (two villagers on each side for purchases)
5. You can't individually go up to An emerald gen or diamond gen and upgrade it
6. Two block destroying area compared to one
7. You tap the egg, but you have to mine the bed
8. In bedwars you can't vote for An Op or Basic mode
9. After a while the beds get destroyed if the game is still continuing
10. Diffrent prices for the shop

[limber tendon]

"that can't just simply be a feature added to the existing eggwars"

[dawn epoch]

Pls be more descriptive to the statement you just made

[limber tendon]

why would there need to be an entire gamemode made for slight nuances, that can just simply be added to the current iteration of eggwars

[dawn epoch]

So are you implying that the egg could be two blocks big now?

Remember, the games are about strategy

Each specific feature counts

[limber tendon]

1. eggwars is not strategy based, its mostly nons walking off on their own accord, sweats dominating them and getting hackusated, or an actual hacker in their game

[dawn epoch]

And bedwars is a strategy Game therefor you just debunked what you are trying to say

[limber tendon]

2. your question makes no sense

how am I implying anything about specific features, if what I said was that small features, if it is called for can just be added

[dawn epoch]

You said the features could simply be incorporated into eggwars, then I asked if the egg could be two blocks long just like the bed

[limber tendon]

are you seriously saying that an entire gamemode has to be made to make the hitbox of what you're trying to break slightly bigger?

[dawn epoch]

I listed 10 diffences, the two block is 1 example

[limber tendon]

yes, but almost all of them don't fall under what I asked

[dawn epoch]

Now let's say theoretically

The features I suggested get added, then it's taking away from eggwars itself

Which is also a bad thing

Do you agree?

[limber tendon]

there's a reason they do and don't get added, because most of them are just unpopular ideas

[dawn epoch]

Now that's the reason why they are two separate gamemodes

Certain features make each game unique

[limber tendon]

so you're saying the minority should be acquiesced to and just have a gamemode all to themselves?

[dawn epoch]

Bedwars is not a minority

[limber tendon]

I've hardly seen anyone make most of these calls

[dawn epoch]

Could you please explain how bedwars is a minority😅

[limber tendon]

I think you're exchanging, bedwars, and people calling for bedwars

there's a difference

[dawn epoch]

Please be more specific with your claim

[limber tendon]

if you're saying people who play bedwars, actually in fact yes, it is the minority, if you're referring to people who want a bedwars gamemode in this server, that is a minority as well

(this only concerns the bedrock side of things, java has nothing to do with this)

[dawn epoch]

@limber tendon have we made a poll asking if people want bedwars or not?

[limber tendon]

are you really saying that if we hosted a poll it would prove you correct?, considering how most of the community are children who don't really understand the depths of what goes on, a poll isn't necessarily the greatest idea

[dawn epoch]

To counter your argument, no one for example asked for mineware yet it is on cubecraft now

Now i have recently seen a bunch of people actually requesting for bedwars to be a gamemode

[limber tendon]

minerware is a completely different gamemode from eggwars, no preceding gamemode in cc was remotely similar to minerware

[dawn epoch]

...

Read what you had stated pls

[limber tendon]

that people who want bedwars to be a thing is a minority?

[dawn epoch]

Where do you have proof that it's a minority

Is my question

[limber tendon]

there is no way to prove it, for either side, that is why this is known in legal terms as "probatio diabolica"

not having proof doesn't necessarily prove either side wrong

[dawn epoch]

Therefor your statement was illegitimate

[limber tendon]

not illegitimate

illegitimate would mean that my statement was proven wrong

and let's just say that it was illegitimate, how does that make your statement legitimate?

[dawn epoch]

Well which one of my statements would you be referring to as I had made many

[limber tendon]

.

I will admit I can't prove my point, however I do have a question, how long have you been around the cc community?

[dawn epoch]

Well I have actually started hanging around here for like 4 months now

[limber tendon]

I've been around for ~2.5 years

[dawn epoch]

Pretty impressive, what device you play on

[limber tendon]

I was formerly console now pc

[dawn epoch]

And what's your lobby level

[limber tendon]

143

[dawn epoch]

I need someone to play with, when you available

[limber tendon]

I don't play as much anymore (mainly in due part to my carpal tunnel) and I've been caught up with school work so unfortunately I can't really say

But my point in asking how long you've been around was to query this, if neither of us could prove our points who would know more about the general consensus among a certain point?

[dawn epoch]

I could always just make a video asking about bedwars and see what the community says

[limber tendon]

But that's unfortunately prone to selection bias (whether intended or unintended)

There's no real way to say what the majority wants due to the community comprising mostly of kids, who can't really put into perspective the actual pros and cons, to them its simply a new gamemode, obviously that would skew results

[compact ruin]

@limber tendon keep in mind this guy once asked for a personalized rank on the server

[dawn epoch]

he wrote bedwars, but in reality hes asking for eggwars season 2

[dawn epoch]

And what is the problem with asking

[dawn epoch]

👀

[compact ruin]

i dont have to answer that

[dawn epoch]

Because you can't-_-

[compact ruin]

because everyone here (except you) can use common sense to figure it out

are you even old enough for discord

[dawn epoch]

@compact ruin I just held a fair debate with coolmig, and now you spontaneously want to come with non logical statements? There is no reason for your input in this discussion

[compact ruin]

theres no reason for cubecraft to have 2 identical game modes?

and also you just reinforced my point

[dawn epoch]

Tell you what, read all the messages above and ask me about what I had stated

Then I'm open to add you to the debate/convo

[compact ruin]

i can prove it

bedwars on nethergames (an exact copy of hypixel bedwars) gets significantly less players than eggwars.
moneywars on mineville uses a bed, gets like 4 players
hyperlands bedwars also gets significantly less players than eggwars

[dawn epoch]

Are they smaller or bigger servers than cubecraft?

[compact ruin]

much smaller cuz clearly cubecraft does it better

[dawn epoch]

Cubecraft is even bigger than the hive

And the reason for that is because of their quality

Now let me put it like this

Compared to other servers, if cubecraft had bedwars (with the good quality it gives us compared to other servers) then the possibilities would be endless

[compact ruin]

if youre saying cubecraft can make bedwars better they already have its called eggwars

mhm

[dawn epoch]

Read my 10 points on how they differ

[compact ruin]

youre points are extremely minor changes that hypixel made when they were competing with cubecrafts eggwars

[dawn epoch]

And It's already a big franchise alone, cubecraft could make huge profit and give "bedwars players" a thing we have been requesting for a long time now

[dawn epoch]

Proof?

[compact ruin]

heres your proof

[dawn epoch]

That doesn't proove your statement you just made

When was hypixel competing with cubecraft eggwars

[compact ruin]

cubecraft would lose a lot of players because other servers and content creators would make videos about how cubecraft is copying hypixel's game and lower cubecrafts reputation (proof: happened to nethergames). since players generate profit, theyd lose profit, not to mention the cost of making a new game, the cost to upkeep that game, and the reputation price of bugs. combine this with a very low number of players actually wanting to play bedwars, its not worth it at all.

[compact ruin]

when cubecraft made eggwars before hypixel made bedwars

also because all those points are literally just hypixel bedwars

[dawn epoch]

But they could use eggwars as a base and turn it into bedwars dont you think?

How many servers do you think have bedwars?

[compact ruin]

why would they take the most popular game mode on bedrock and turn it into a copy of another servers version of eggwars

[compact ruin]

whats your point

[dawn epoch]

My point is that bedwars is not exclusive to hypixel only

[compact ruin]

i never said it was?

[dawn epoch]

And there are no copyright laws against using it

[compact ruin]

i never said there were?

[dawn epoch]

i dont get how that helps the argument that it should be added

[dawn epoch]

One sec

[dawn epoch]

..

[compact ruin]

you described hypixel bedwars...

is hypixel bedwars not made by hypixel?

[dawn epoch]

Ok tell me what the diffrence between hypixel bedwars and normal bedwars is

why dont you tell me the difference between bedwars and eggwars instead

[compact ruin]

the standard for normal bedwars is hypixel bedwars

[dawn epoch]

Read above

[dawn epoch]

Exactly

[dawn epoch]

(other than the egg being a bed)

[compact ruin]

when people talk about bedwars, they are referring to hypixel bedwars

[dawn epoch]

Ok then describe what non hypixel bedwars is

[dawn epoch]

why dont you

hypixel's the standard

[compact ruin]

so you just proved that all those points are referring to hypixel bedwars aka you want cubecraft to copy their game

[dawn epoch]

Quote me where I said I wanted them to copy and paste bedwars from hypixel

what are you on about with hypixel

that is irrelevant in this thread

Exactly

[compact ruin]

when you described 10 points on hypixel bedwars

[dawn epoch]

I didn't bring it up in the first place

this thread is about adding an unoriginal game that is 90% similar to a game they already have

[compact ruin]

you brought it up when you described hypixel bedwars

[dawn epoch]

I said the diffrences between eggwars and bedwars, and if hypixel is the standard.. then what is your argument?

+why do you think cubecraft doesnt have modes like turf wars, build battle, block hunt...?

[compact ruin]

that wasnt an argument i was debunking your argument which you just proved you were talking about hypixel in those points

[dawn epoch]

Why do they have skyblock, skywars and survival games?

[compact ruin]

because theyre vastly different from other servers'

[dawn epoch]

because skywars and sg are from 2013, and cubecraft had the first skyblock on bedrock without a paywall

that is a losing argument for you

[dawn epoch]

If hypixel is a standard according to your own words then why are you talking about it specifically? Our argument is on bedwars Not hypixel -_-

[compact ruin]

why do you think they have eggwars

[compact ruin]

why should they add bedwars

[dawn epoch]

why shouldnt hypixel add eggwars

[dawn epoch]

Good question, because it would be more content, bring in more players and give cubecraft more revenue

[dawn epoch]

Hypixel should not -_-

[dawn epoch]

it would not bring in more players

[compact ruin]

i already proved that it wont bring more players

[dawn epoch]

why not

It's just like asking a minecraft Java player why they don't have a minecraft knockoff and play it

[dawn epoch]

Your proof was debunked

like asking a bedrock player why they dont have eggwars knockoff in their server

[compact ruin]

you didnt even propose an argument against it?

cmon man stop slacking

[dawn epoch]

Go up up

Like way up

[compact ruin]

quote it

show me

[dawn epoch]

ip ip ip turi

You will see my argument

[compact ruin]

quote it

[dawn epoch]

?

@compact ruin let me ask you a fair question

Do you hate bedwars?

[compact ruin]

no

[dawn epoch]

Do you dislike me?

[compact ruin]

no

[dawn epoch]

i hate humans yes

cuz im a kitty cat

[dawn epoch]

Sameee

[dawn epoch]

Bruh

[dawn epoch]

why do you hate yourself

is it cuz you want bedwars

So I think the biggest factor we need to look at is the following, if a person makes a community post about features that should be added, then the admins should respond instead of other members that have a diffrent opinion

[dawn epoch]

Do you hate bedwars

[dawn epoch]

no i hate you

[compact ruin]

then go to team feedback threads instead

[dawn epoch]

I don't like humans that think they are animals either -_-

[compact ruin]

theyd say pretty much the same thing ive already said

[dawn epoch]

Imma go to bed

[dawn epoch]

mmrrrp

[dawn epoch]

What does that mean.

[dawn epoch]

it means cubecraft should focus on unique and original gamemodes instead of wasting their time copying another server's game

It's not another servers game -_-

that part doesnt matter

[compact ruin]

then who made it

[dawn epoch]

Your broken logic hurts my head

[dawn epoch]

whats broken about that

[dawn epoch]

A person, not a server

[compact ruin]

who made it then

who do they work for

where did they put it

[dawn epoch]

There

No hypixel anywhere -_-

They are just the most popular server that hosts it

[dawn epoch]

you cant say its a good idea for cubecraft to waste their time making an unoriginal gamemode thats 90% similar to eggwars

[dawn epoch]

More players, more revenue, more content✨️

[dawn epoch]

?

[dawn epoch]

its illogical to think it would possibly bring more players or revenue

[dawn epoch]

If there is more content, it's comes with in game purchases like ranks = more revenue

[dawn epoch]

And it's a big name =more players

[compact ruin]

that is the game that the company you just show made

[dawn epoch]

When was hypixel made -_-

[compact ruin]

which came out after hypixels bedwars release in 2017

[dawn epoch]

according to the hypixel forums it was some server called GommeHD's bedwars, then cubecraft eggwars, then hypixel bedwars

[dawn epoch]

it wouldnt make money - no one who already owns the eggwars rank is gonna buy the rank for an identical gamemode

the idea that adding bedwars would increase player count or even get players in the gamemode is illogical

[still thunder]

if cubecraft add bedwars it be the best server in ps4 and xbox. lifeboat and the hive is trash

to many peoples play in the hive because theres no bedwars in cubecraft u can catch their player

[compact ruin]

thats not true at all

[dawn epoch]

you cant make this argument at all since hive doesn't have bedwars so clearly those players aren't looking for bedwars

[still thunder]

the hive has the treasure wars it's the closest to bedwars we have on the consoles lifeboat is complete rubbish and the hive lags a lot.

the hive is second place in servers in ps4 cubecraft need beat him

[dawn epoch]

cubecraft is already ahead of hive in player count

[still thunder]

yes but if cubecraft add gamemodes best than the hive the hive will be top 3 and more players in cubecraft

[dawn epoch]

are you old enough for discord

[still thunder]

u are dumb or something? more players=more money

[dawn epoch]

yeah but it wont bring in more players so it wont bring in more money

and again-if you arent 13, get off discord

[compact ruin]

it will lose players and significantly hurt cubecrafts reputation

=== less money

[still thunder]

make a new gamemode on server better than other will hurt cubecraft reputation? u are not stealing nothing just improving it

[still thunder]

you literally repeated the same thing 3 times and I'm the child? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH bro go found a psychologist. are u needing attention?

[compact ruin]

go found

[dawn epoch]

you have yet to answer it

[compact ruin]

youre asking for eggwars season 2

you missed the huge discussion about why adding a second mode would be bad

[dawn epoch]

also i repeated the same thing 3 times because the way youre writing is an insult to english

[still thunder]

I'm Brazilian, I'm not fluent in English yet

im tryng

[compact ruin]

that still doesnt prove your age

[still thunder]

30/09/1995 are u happy?

[dawn epoch]

totally

theres nothing that would suggest otherwise

[limber tendon]

the best adding bedwars would do (if you claim as popular as it would be) is stretch eggwars thin, if eggwars on its own isn't enough to significantly increase player count what makes you think that practically the same thing would be any better?

[compact ruin]

+there wouldnt be profit from the mode because there wouldnt be a rank on it

[limber tendon]

its not a difficult concept to understand, adding something that's essentially the same gamemode isn't going to attract different audiences the best it can do is attract the eggwars audience, that isn't a net gain, that's just a waste of server resources

[limber tendon]

^, from both a financial, and logical perspective it makes no sense