Community Species Suggestions

[reef relic]

I thought about that! Given the fact that it would be in the trees, do you think it would work better as a vivarium species? Or would it be in need of a new climbing system to work

[opaque drift]

It's to big to fit in a viv

This is size of Archaeoindris

[slow shoal]

when aquatics come can we get T. rex

[opaque drift]

I think koala locomotion would fit for this fella

[plush nacelle]

You think about megaladapis

[opaque drift]

Lol

[reef relic]

Limit of 2 in the largest viv size, I think would work. But it would be a heck of a limitation

[opaque drift]

Btw what about Megaladapis😅

[opaque drift]

That's true

[reef relic]

Actually.. hmm
Megaladapis I think would make a better selection anyhow, given that it is more ground adapted and therefore doesn't necessarily need a huge amount of new code, and it has a more outlandish and interesting look with that long muzzle

[opaque drift]

Hm

[shy vale]

i actually think that if the proposed recently extinct dlc may be any guide, it would be like a 9-10 species pack?

[vital grove]

i feel like they are hiding a aurochs subspecies or another alt tbh i think a safe number is 6 new models 2 alts 2 vivs

[shy vale]

i think the moa may have 2 species

[vital grove]

moa or aurochs 100%

but with what the devs tend to do

i think rounding it off to 10 and hiding 1 alt

is exactly what they would do

[flint sable]

I would expect thylacine to have an alt purely for the skin problem

great auk also applies but for that you could technically get away with the winter coloration

[slow shoal]

how do you guys think the dlcs will be formatted, like will it be by continent, animal type, time period, or somethin else?

[primal gyro]

only thing we have to go off of is a theme
but i dont think they'd limit themselves to strict boundaries

so it could be a mix

[wary nacelle]

I think they should add Aegyptopithecus because I really like this animal and for no ulterior motives

[shy vale]

you want this as part of a eocene/oligocene egypt pack, huh?

[plush nacelle]

Since not so long ago Mau said team cant wait to add more chinese animals

You guys think DLC should be specifically about yixian formation, jehol biota, mesozoic china or china as a whole

[shut breach]

Yutyrannus 🔥

[shell sonnet]

I guess it depends if Shaximiao gets its own pack as well

[fiery crow]

should I work on my own Shaximiao DLC pack

gimme a secondo

[plush nacelle]

Very unlikely I would say

Imo it would be mesozoic china with maybe mamenchi representing shaximiao

[fiery crow]

what about Cenozoic or Paleozoic China

[feral cedar]

Mesozoic China is too broad but I think Jurassic China with Shaximiao and Shishugou animals is a good pack

[fiery crow]

Gasosaurus and Sinraptor mmmaybe?

[plush nacelle]

Not sure how many DLCs would game need to have something such specific as shaximiao tbh

Like, 30?

[shell sonnet]

You've Mamechi, Yang, Shuno, and a ton of Stegosaurs

[feral cedar]

For example, with those two formations and ONLY those two, these are all candidates:

• Yangchuanosaurus
• Mamenchisaurus
• Shunosaurus
• Tuojiangosaurus
• Huayangosaurus
• Gigantspinosaurus
• Monolophosaurus
• Guanlong
• Limusaurus (if it’s not packaged in as an alt for Elaphrosaurus)
• Yinlong (vivarium)

[fiery crow]

Guanlong

[shell sonnet]

Not Shax

[fiery crow]

it’s Shishugou

would we have a chance of getting a Texas Red Beds DLC

[shell sonnet]

I wasn't talking about Shishugou

[fiery crow]

like this
#1360542295228944414 message

[shell sonnet]

But yes, Guanlong would be good alongside Limu

[feral cedar]

Limu is the best noasaur but Elaphro is Tendaguru so an alt combo for them strikes me as ideal

[fiery crow]

Masiaka?

[coarse inlet]

I’d want Masiakasaurus and Elaphrosaurus/Limusaurus

[fiery crow]

I feel if we get a Madagascar pack Masiaka would be a good addition

Archaeoindris or Megaladapis too maybe?

[shell sonnet]

I feel like instead Texas Red Bed focus, maybe make a Carbon and Early Permian pack and then a mid and late Permian pack:

Carboniferous and Early Permian Pack
Dimetrodon grandis/limbatus/angelensis
Eryops megacephalus
Cotylorhynchus romeri/hancocki
Ophiacodon mirus/retroversus
Edaphosaurus pogonias/boanerges/novomexicanus
Anthracosaurus russeii
Neopteroplax conemaughensis (?)
Prionosuchus plummeri

Eudibamus cursoris (mini ?)
Meganeura monyi or. Meganeuropsis permiana (mini)
Platyhystrix rugosus (mini)
Seymouria baylorensis (mini)
Arthropleura armata (mini)

obviously, the actual pack would be smaller

[fiery crow]

no Hylonomus Pulmonoscorpius or Petrolacosaurus for minis 💔

also I think Pholiderpeton might be slightly better than Anthracosaurus

[plush nacelle]

Pulmonoscorpius is scottish

[fiery crow]

oh yeah that’s true

[shell sonnet]

Hylonomus and Petrolacosaurus are kind of generic looking but I wouldn't say no. I'm not really a big arthropod fan and I'm indifferent to Pholiderpeton over Anthracosaurus; if they can be alts, so much the better

[coarse inlet]

Essentially my ideal is 6 ceratosaurs (Carnotaurus, Majungasaurus, Ceratosaurus, Masiakasaurus, Elaphrosaurus/Limusaurus)

[shell sonnet]

Hylonomus might be too small

[fiery crow]

if we get full aquatics I feel like a WIS DLC would be a must

Western Interior Seaway DLC

Habitat:

• Hesperornis gracilis (semi-aquatic)

Vivarium:

• Baculites vertebralis (Aquatic)
• Dallasaurus turneri (Amphibious)
• Didymoceras nebrascense (Aquatic)
• Enchodus dirus (Aquatic)
• Gillicus arcuatus (Aquatic)
• Ichthyornis dispar (Arboreal + Amphibious hybrid)
• Pachyrhizodus caninus (Aquatic)

Aquarium:

• Archelon ischyros, Protostega gigas alt.
• Cretoxyrhina mantelli, Squalicorax falcatus alt.
• Dolichorhynchops osborni
• Elasmosaurus platyurus, Styxosaurus snowii alt.
• Enchoteuthis melanae
• Globidens schurmanni
• Platecarpus tympaniticus
• Protosphyraena perniciosa
• Ptychodus martini
• Stratodus apicalis
• Tylosaurus rex
• Xiphactinus audax

Aviary:

• Nyctosaurus gracilis
• Pteranodon sternbergi

[shell sonnet]

Same

[fiery crow]

this is probably way too much

idk if there’s anything I’m missing or not

[feral cedar]

As of yesterday, what you're looking for is Tylosaurus rex

[eager thunder]

Cartorhynchus for the Vivarium

Weird lil reptile seal

[feral cedar]

Okay so I'm going to go ahead and say that while I'd love to have THIS extensive of a WIS assemblage, there's no way these many critters are added in one go

[shell sonnet]

You could throw Borealpelta in there, but I don't think it's needed

[feral cedar]

[fiery crow]

yeah no it’s definitely unrealistic expectations

[feral cedar]

I think now that the RE DLC's roster has been teased that gives us a good base for how many full exhibit and viv animals we could expect to see in each DLC

[fiery crow]

so probably two or three viv species at best

[feral cedar]

Six full exhibit animals in RE and two vivariums which totally aren't the passenger pigeon and Carolina parakeet

(You can't fool me, Mau)

[plush nacelle]

Both are arguably easiest to read tbh

[fiery crow]

I would’ve brought in the Kauaʻi ʻōʻō for a third viv species but it might be a bit too recent

[plush nacelle]

Basically most of the pack

[feral cedar]

Oh this is going to be great

[fiery crow]

I’m excited for the Thylacinus

[feral cedar]

The thylacine will be our first marsupial

Hopefully it won't be our last one

Diprotodon, Procoptodon 🤞

[fiery crow]

hopefully it opens the possibility of Procoptodon and Thylacoleo

Thylacosmilus

Diprotodon

[eager thunder]

Monk seal

[fiery crow]

Caribbean Monk Seal

[feral cedar]

Pleistocene Australia DLC:

Full Exhibit:

• Diprotodon optatum
• Genyornis newtoni
• Meiolania platyceps
• Procoptodon goliah
• Thylacoleo carnifex
• Varanus priscus (Megalania)

Vivarium:

• Propleopus oscillans
• Wonambi naracoortensis
  • Should have an eye-catching colorful skin due to the potential of it being an inspiration of the rainbow snake mythology.

[fiery crow]

rip Palorchestes

[feral cedar]

Palorchestes is one of the many casualties of the potential 6 full exhibit animal limit

[slim flare]

Propleopus is estimated to have weighed around 35.5–47.1 kilograms (78–104 lb).

[feral cedar]

Yeah but how big is it dimensionally

[slim flare]

🤨

Velociraptor is 30 lbs

Great Auk is 11

This thing would be the size of a small human

[feral cedar]

I think we're confusing mass-based size with dimensional size

[feral cedar]

Holy shit

[slim flare]

No, I am not

[feral cedar]

It felt a LOT smaller in Prehistoric Planet

[slim flare]

To be 75 lbs, you have to be pretty fucking big

[slim flare]

Those were babies 😭

[feral cedar]

NO WONDER

I forgot

[eager thunder]

Whichever ones dead

[feral cedar]

Well thankfully I have the perfect vivarium replacement for Propleopus

[fiery crow]

Obdurodon

[feral cedar]

"An Obdurodon?"
👒
PERRY THE OBDURODON?

[slim flare]

Pig-footed bandicoot?

[feral cedar]

It's not Pleistocene but it'll do

[fresh ember]

Giant echidna?

[slim flare]

Which?

[fiery crow]

Murrayglossus was sheep-sized, it definitely wouldn’t be a vivie

[feral cedar]

Wait no there is an Obdurodon species in Pleistocene Australia

[eager thunder]

Crash Bandicoot the actual animal

[slim flare]

Also, ngl, hate the meme of using Australian folklore for Pleistocene extinct species

[feral cedar]

Wikipedia lied to me

[fiery crow]

I was gonna ask why Dromornis wasn’t there but it died out before the Pleistocene

[slim flare]

It’d be like using Norse troll folklore for Neanderthals

[fiery crow]

Euryzygoma for a Diprotodon alt. genus?

no, Pliocene not Pleistocene

[eager thunder]

C.Bandicoot the actual animal lived 15mya so when would that have been?

[fresh ember]

Miocene.

[feral cedar]

Euryzygoma feels like adding an alt just to have one imo

[eager thunder]

Right

[fiery crow]

if I were allowed to add as least one or two more exhibit species I’d say Murrayglossus hacketti and Palorchestes azael would be good

I wanna say Quinkana but we don’t have enough of it 💔

[feral cedar]

Palorchestes is fascinating and I'd love to have it

Murrayglossus is just there for me, idk

[fresh ember]

I wouldn't put it past the team to have either Thylacoleo or Megalania be added as a free update.

[feral cedar]

Megalania CANNOT be free if they want the DLC to sell like hot cakes

sad fact o' life

[fiery crow]

lemme see if I can make a DLC pack for my country (Canada)

[slim flare]

Honestly the snake might be kinda lame

[fresh ember]

Either way, there's still a possibility of space being freed up for another animal.

[feral cedar]

Which I think is rather sad really. Megalania is basically the least interesting of the six animals I've proposed since it has like no elaborate differences other than size to an extant contemporary

Procoptodon is much larger, but it also moved unlike other kangaroos (it just ran lol) and had a shorter snout, which puts it a bit above just "giant kangaroo"

Meiolania is a fucking dragon

[fresh ember]

Thylacoleo is just a freak.

[feral cedar]

Thylacoleo is like the unholy offspring of a wombat and koala who chose to cosplay a lioness

[fiery crow]

well uh
there’s not that much when it comes to Cenozoic Canada that I can put in a DLC pack

as neat as a Burgess Shale DLC would be the only viable species would be Anomalocaris

[plush nacelle]

I am dumb

Aint weight good enough indicator how big animal is?

[feral cedar]

It depends

[plush nacelle]

Like I see 40 kg I Imagine something as big as alpine goat

[feral cedar]

Sort of

[fiery crow]

Dinosaur Park Formation DLC

Habitat:

• Chasmosaurus belli, alt. genus Cryptarcus russelli
• Corythosaurus casuarius
• Dromaeosaurus albertensis
• Euoplocephalus tutus, alt. genus Scolosaurus cutleri
• Stegoceras validum
• Stenonychosaurus inequalis, alt. genus Sauronithoides mongoliensis

Vivarium:

• Alphadon halleyi (Arboreal)
• Hesperonychus elizabethae (Terrestrial)

had to cut out Panoplosaurus and Centrosaurus

[feral cedar]

You might wanna change russelli from an alt species to alt genus

Yes sir, we call it Cryptarcus now

[slim flare]

I’d lower it to 6 exhibit species

[plush nacelle]

Pleistocene australia vivariums..

[fiery crow]

who would I need to cut then

[feral cedar]

Daspletosaurus

Oh also, I know this is technically meant to be a Dinosaur Park DLC but you should give Steno a Saurornithoides alt

[plush nacelle]

Paradise parrot is interesting, but I feel people would be fine with carolina being the only one

[feral cedar]

alt genera don't HAVE to conform to DLC themes since they're more like little bonuses attached to "parent species"

[slim flare]

Wait

[fiery crow]

Mekosuchus?

[slim flare]

Where’s Gorgosaurus?

[fresh ember]

Albertosaurus alt

[plush nacelle]

Mekosuchus is from new caledonia, at least pleistocene one I suppose

[fiery crow]

Cenozoic South America? lots of good SANU rep.

Cenozoic South America DLC

Habitat:

• Granastrapotherium snorki
• Macrauchenia patachonica
• Megalochelys atlas
• Purussaurus brasiliensis
• Pyrotherium romeroi
• Thylacosmilus atrox
• Toxodon platensis

Vivarium:

• Desmodus draculae (Arboreal)
• Gnatusuchus pebasensis (Amphibious)

yeah so this probably isn’t really great simply because there’s so much potential representation

[fresh ember]

Where's Thylacosmilus?

[fiery crow]

I didn’t wanna scrap any SANU reps

I’m just way too biased IG

[cosmic cosmos]

tiliqua?

[fiery crow]

Tiliqua frangens

[cosmic cosmos]

i know what it is, its not listed and im asking why

[fiery crow]

I
I know that you know

there are extant species of Tiliqua

[cosmic cosmos]

mindblowing info

im australian, trust me to be aware of that fact

[fiery crow]

Hell Creek Formation DLC

Habitat:

• Anzu wyliei
• Leptoceratops gracilis
• Nanotyrannus lethaeus, alt. species Nanotyrannus lancensis
• Ornithomimus velox
• Thescelosaurus neglectus
• Torosaurus latus

Vivarium:

• Avisaurus archibaldi (Arboreal)
• Didelphodon vorax (Amphibious)

[slim flare]

Why not the other Nanotyrannus?

Which we have a complete, adult specimen of and is the type species? Although realistically they’d be alts

Also do Ornithomimus, not Strithiomimus

[fiery crow]

is there an Ornithomimus species from Hell Creek though

[slim flare]

Yes? O. velox

There’s probably no Struthiomimus from Hell Creek afaik, it’s older

[fiery crow]

who tf would pay for Struthiomimus honestly
mid-ahh dinosaur imo

[amber field]

I think the game will be in random themes like ZT

One and two

Like RE dlc

For example tropical dlcs , or gondwana dlc ...

[outer crater]

What’s even missing? Just quagga I think

[plush nacelle]

cow and moa

[fiery crow]

I’m so excited for the Recently Extinct DLC

[amber field]

Yeah

I will hopefully buy that

[cosmic cosmos]

i am going to have human sacrifices for all the RE species

the auks and dodos shall bathe in the blood of their adversaries

[fiery crow]

hopefully auks are allowed to dive, it’d be a crime if they weren’t

[cosmic cosmos]

i wouldnt mind if they added it later, as long as they arent relegated to vivs tbh

[outer crater]

Would the baby great auk colours be speculative? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a baby great auk in a historical drawing

[ancient ibex]

The razorbill auk is its closest living relative

Even younger one

(meanwhile puffins)

Neornithes also have their shtick of "first grow to full size, then mature" in play in giant aquatic flightless ones

[plush nacelle]

It was simply grey apparently

That thing gonna be one of the smallest models in the game probably

[ancient ibex]

Like the razorbill chick

[plush nacelle]

I guess so

[ancient ibex]

Alca and Pinguinus were a quite recent split I believe

[outer crater]

What’s the 2nd adult pattern tho?

an immature one or an adult variation?

It lacks the large white patch before the eye

[cosmic cosmos]

like many birds auks moulted through the year

[ancient ibex]

And they have breeding and non-breeding phases

Puffins shed their colorful beaks for instance

[flint sable]

the box of greed and despair

[flint sable]

having the breeding and winter colorations and then an alt would be peak

[rigid spindle]

@vital grove does this look cryptic?

[flint sable]

https://tenor.com/view/man-running-out-of-restaurant-man-eating-man-eating-and-running-cartoon-eating-cartoon-man-running-gif-24721662

[reef relic]

https://tenor.com/view/typing-petty-fast-cloudy-with-a-chance-of-meatballs-flint-lockwood-gif-4907824

Me working on that as soon as I get home cuz I've got no responsibilities until Monday

[fiery crow]

since we’re getting the Great Auk I’m hoping we’ll get deep diving to go alongside it

most seabirds are AMAZING to watch underwater

[outer crater]

And that also opens the door for hesperornis

[fiery crow]

not just Hesperornis

Kairuku and Anthropornis too

[feral cedar]

uh

what species?

[flint sable]

ankylosaur...?

maybe..?

[median glen]

Glyptotherium

[flint sable]

HUH

[fiery crow]

idk in what universe Glyptotherium looks like an ankylosaur

[slim flare]

This one

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/ddg-hand-on-shoulder-shoulder-gif-6470849562342340541

[rigid spindle]

@vital grove finished T. frangens

[low bridge]

Dudes, how many Moas would be acceptable??

[coarse inlet]

Two, the Dinornis species

After that I’d prefer other bird groups

[low bridge]

Heavy footed moa would be also nice

[low bridge]

Terror Birds

I know

[coarse inlet]

I was actually thinking of aepyornithids and gastornithiformes

[fiery crow]

anybody down for a Paleocene DLC pack?

[low bridge]

Me

Carbonemys should be in Paleocene pack

[feral cedar]

Are there any Paleocene animals that would make compelling additions for reasons beyond being from the Paleocene?

[hollow flower]

Gastornis?

[feral cedar]

I find that time periods and geography are better used as a cherry on top, not the justification for inclusion

[feral cedar]

Ah, right

Wait wasn't there a paper that resurrected Diatryma

[hollow flower]

But yeah paleocene is a little mid

[twilit tartan]

isnt gastornis eocene?

[hollow flower]

It is but its also in the paleocene

[twilit tartan]

oh huh neat

[hollow flower]

Titanoboa is also paleocene but its already in the game so

[peak hazel]

I guess you've got Carbonemys

is Stupendonemys Palaeocene?

[twilit tartan]

no

[feral cedar]

The Paleocene evolutionarily is when the Earth was recovering from God throwing a rock right at it

[twilit tartan]

much later in fact

big turtle is just something that happens sometimes

[feral cedar]

So it makes sense the Paleocene is kinda "mid", life was starting to find its footing again

[hollow flower]

Miocene

[peak hazel]

I know Gryposuchus and Purussaurus are not but I would like to see them in the game

[hollow flower]

Silurian also falls in this category

[peak hazel]

I think Barinasuchus is Eocene

[feral cedar]

Silurian, Triassic...

[twilit tartan]

uhhh a big ugly coryphodon wouldnt hurt

[hollow flower]

Triassic is an exception to this

[twilit tartan]

i like coryphodon

[peak hazel]

nah Triassic is awesome

[hollow flower]

That thing is filled to the brim with nonsense and I love it

[peak hazel]

Silurian is definitely one of the less interesting time periods

[twilit tartan]

barinasuchus survived over 20 million years as a genus, its just kinda everything lmao

[hollow flower]

Pelagornis lasted longer than the silurian

[peak hazel]

Tylosaurus lasted longer than the Silurian

maybe

[feral cedar]

Yeah it is, but I always see people talking about how little Triassic dinosaurs get attention and I'm thinking to myself that dinosaurs were JUST starting to exist then, how many worthwhile additions does it really have?

(Should've specified Triassic dinosaurs actually, mb)

[peak hazel]

depends on if Hainosaurus is bought back from the dead

[twilit tartan]

yeag silurians shortness means that theres not much worth adding in terms of specifically a video game roster?

[hollow flower]

Yeah triassic dinosaurs suck

Well besides coelo, herrera and plateo

But otherwise they are kind of mid

[peak hazel]

yeah Triassic dinosaurs aren't the best

[twilit tartan]

like you can have the big pterygotus but in terms of a park builder jaekelopterus does everything better

[hollow flower]

Precisely

[peak hazel]

we've got 2/3 main ones

[feral cedar]

You've got prosauropods, herrerasaurids, coelophysoids, and then probably silesaurids and that's really it

[peak hazel]

unless you're dying for Lilensternus or Dracovenator

[feral cedar]

prosauropods come in two distinct "types"; the Plateosaurus-type and the "wait this isn't a theropod?" type

[peak hazel]

its the everything else in the Triassic thats cool

Erythrosuchus, the early ichthyosaurs, all the weird psuedosuchians

[fiery crow]

Paleocene DLC Pack

Habitat:

• Barylambda faberi, alt. species churchilli
• Carbonemys cofrinii
• Coryphodon eocaenus
• Gastornis parisiensis
• Phenacodus primaevus
• Taeniolabis taoensis

Vivarium:

• Cimolestes incisus (Terrestrial)
• Plesiadapis tricuspidens (Arboreal)

[feral cedar]

Plateosaurus and Eoraptor for prosauropods, Coelophysis for theropods, and Herrerasaurus and Silesaurus for the aberrant weirdos of the two main dinosaur clades are about all you really have for Triassic dinosaurs

If you want to you can do Melanorosaurus for a prosauropod that cosplays as a sauropod and I guess Liliensternus if you really want a "big" theropod?

[fiery crow]

actually do we really need Hypercoryphodon

[slim flare]

Idk if it holds up

[feral cedar]

Okay see this is what I mean. Coryphodon and Barylambda could effortessly just be in an Eocene pack because they lived... during that time

Also Gastornis should 100% be Gastornis giganteus unless you deliberately left that one out in favor of Diatryma

[feral cedar]

I assume it doesn't cause Wikipedia hasn't given Diatryma its own article

[fiery crow]

no species of giganteus lived during the Paleocene from my knowledge

[feral cedar]

Honestly a Paleogene pack would be better

[twilit tartan]

yeah but eocene is long and diverse enough that it has ten bajillion things that could probably fill two packs

[fiery crow]

Boverisuchus my beloved

[twilit tartan]

megacerops, uintatherium, arsinoitherium alone are all big selling points

i call them the Big Dead Horny Trio

[feral cedar]

truthnuke

[fiery crow]

Moeritherium

[twilit tartan]

and you also get leppy, the dawn horses, early cetaceans and proboscideans

[fiery crow]

any of the goofy early proboscideans

[feral cedar]

Moeritherium is one I want. Having moeri in the same game as a mammoth is like having Eoraptor and Argentinosaurus together

[twilit tartan]

fucking big Andrew

[fiery crow]

I don’t want Andrewsarchus in because let’s be real here

[twilit tartan]

fair

[fiery crow]

we only know it from a single skull

[twilit tartan]

one head

[fiery crow]

we have no idea what it really looked like

[feral cedar]

And that one skull has recently been clading with entelodonts which means Andrewsarchus is not even the best candidate for representing the branch it's probably in

Daeodon supremacy

[fiery crow]

maybe Archaeotherium too?

[peak hazel]

those 2 are probably the best options

[coarse inlet]

big pantodonts

[fiery crow]

taeniodonts

I guess a few multituberclates

[flint sable]

shit going to land was cool

giant shrooms and first bugs

other than that it was kinda lame tho

[fiery crow]

Cameroceras was cool

[flint sable]

except they also werent shrooms

but some secret third thing that we somehow dont know what it is

so theres just an entirely seperate 6 meter tall lineage of eukaryotes that are not plants, animals, or fungi, that existed and then just dissapeared

is what we know

[fiery crow]

Pterygotus was cool

[flint sable]

which is legitimately insane

like its literally just eukaryota indet

[fiery crow]

idk what the fuck Ainiktozoon was but it was cool

[flint sable]

one of these goobers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thylacocephala

they existed all the way till the cretaceous

[fiery crow]

wasn’t Dollocaris also one of these

[flint sable]

Ainiktozoon was one of the most basal members it seems

[flint sable]

I think so

ye

[flint sable]

these guys themselves are probably crustaceans

probably

[twilit tartan]

if we can find a way to incorporate Palaeophonus and Kampecaris into an actually visible form lol

[flint sable]

maybe

[fiery crow]

the only chance we have at getting anything from the Silurian is if we get full aquatics

[flint sable]

just do silurian bug rock or something like the dung beetle shitpile

and have lil bugs on it

or smth

I would really like some paleozoic paleoflora tho

especially now that we have species from the paleozoic albeit vivs

[fiery crow]

we’ll probably get some soon

[flint sable]

like bro even if we just got like

[fiery crow]

I’m hoping we get the Jonkler

[flint sable]

cooksonia and prototaxites and a wetland brush for it

that would be so goated

[fiery crow]

what’s our chance on Proterozoic stuff

probably 0% at best

[cosmic cosmos]

Pisco Formation DLC (Miocene Peru)

Acrophoca longirostris/Hadrokirus martini
Livyatan melvillei
Piscogavialis jugaliperforatus/Sacacosuchus cordovai
Thalassocnus natans

(O. megalodon would also be here but I'm working off the assumption it would be added in a base aquatic update)

[shell sonnet]

You assume Livy wouldn't also be base

[cosmic cosmos]

i think basilo is the more likely whale for base release

[flint sable]

stromatolite decorations would be cool

other than that

nah

[cosmic cosmos]

this would be pretty cool

[shell sonnet]

More popular sure, but there is the old concept art of Livy (which probably doesn't mean much, yes)

[feral cedar]

holy shit Sussocaris

[crimson oracle]

a poland dlc concept
Kocurypelta silvestris/Stagonolepis olenkae/S. robertsoni
Lisowicia bojani
Metoposaurus krasiejowensi/M. diagnosticus/Cyclotosaurus intermedius (vivarium)
Paleorhinus angustifrons/P. bransoni
Peytoia infercambriensis (vivarium)
Polonosuchus silesiacus
Smok wawelski
Silesaurus opolensis
and Peytoia nathorsti as a free species

[fiery crow]

isn’t the issue with Smok that we still don’t really have much of an idea what it is

I’d like to see if myself but like

[flint sable]

its not entirely ambiguous, basically 1 of 2 options

but those 2 options would have wildly different designs

[flint sable]

early dinosaur or some kind of bipedal psuedosuchian

[flint sable]

basically a coinflip at this point, so I agree probably not the best

[peak hazel]

better then Trachodon

[flint sable]

true

but thats also probably like

the lowest bar possible

no

there are lower

pretty low

[fiery crow]

Pisco Formation DLC

Habitat:

• Acrophoca longirostirus, alt. genus Hadrokirus martini
• Livyatan melvillei
• Odobenocetops leptodon, alt. species peruvianus
• Otodus megalodon
• Piscobalaena nana
• Piscogavialis jugaliperforatus, alt. genus Sacacosuchus cordovai
• Thalassocnus antiquus, alt. species natans

I think if I could choose one seal though I would choose either Allodesmus or Pontolis

[slim flare]

Why don’t you make the genus italicized?

[fiery crow]

I couldn’t think of any vivarium species

[alpine thicket]

I'd really love Smok genuinely but the ambiguity makes me uncertain if it'd really be a good idea.

[fiery crow]

it’s the same thing with Andy boy

[alpine thicket]

Well, no. Smok has much better material and would be a much more worthwhile addition and be in a place that doesn't often get a lot of play in games like this(at least I don't think we get a lot of polish rep).
The problem is the material we have exhibits traits that could make it a dinosaur or a nondinosaur archosaur(possibly a crocodilian).

like Smok actually has pretty decent material.

[flint sable]

also andrewsarchus is pretty solidly an entelodont iirc

thing is, its solely the top of a skull

thats it

[alpine thicket]

I would genuinely really like it, part of me is kind of like "screw it just make it whatever they pick" but the other part worries about the ambiguity.

While the devs are okay with things potentially changing and making their choices outdated, it'd be a shame if Smok was added and then more or less entirely invalidated(in terms of the reconstruction they made since the animal is obviously valid) so it's sort of something I'm on the fence about.

[plush nacelle]

We should officialy know what is smok by time PK might add it

[slim flare]

The creepy crawly

[alpine thicket]

it'd be doubly cool if we get Lisowicia.

[vital grove]

that looks great man its perfect

[vital grove]

also good both look great this one is more camouflaged which this dlc would also need so both are great options

[slim flare]

Chinle could be a whole DLC or something

[fiery crow]

Triassic Seas DLC

Habitat:

• Atopodentatus unicus
• Cymbospondylus petrinus, alt. species buchseri & youngorum
• Nothosaurus mirabillis, alt. species giganteus & zhangi
• Placodus gigas
• Shonisaurus popularis
• Tanystropheus longobardicus

Vivarium:

• Eretmorhipis carroldongi (Amphibious)
• Henodus chelyops (Amphibious)

[peak hazel]

C. youngorum is right there vro

[fiery crow]

was going for the more complete species

[peak hazel]

also why not make C. petrinus the main species when thats functionally the genus holotype

[fiery crow]

fixed

[peak hazel]

C. piscosus is the actual holotype but its pretty bad

[fiery crow]

not sure if I should have zhangi as a secondary alt species for Nothosaurus or not

[peak hazel]

I'm not as familar with my nothosaurs

[fiery crow]

giganteus and zhangi are the two biggest Nothosaurus species
mirabillis is the most complete

forgot about Atopo, replacing Shasta with it

[low bridge]

Top 4 sloths for Prehistoric Kingdom:
Shasts Ground Sloth
Mylodon
Paramylodon
Megalonyx

[plush nacelle]

Why not make henodus exhibit species

[fiery crow]

Henodus is small enough for vivie

plus Placodus is good enough to be a habitat placodont

I wanna do a Paleozoic Seas DLC but then… there’s so many options…

[plush nacelle]

It is really big tho

[toxic oriole]

Dunk being one of them since yeah

Helicoprion being another

or at least another aquatic like Heli or something

🤷‍♀️

[fiery crow]

like I said though

there’s so many choices

Paleozoic Seas DLC

Habitat:

• Cameroceras trentonense, alt. species turrisoides
• Cladoselache fyleri
• Helicoprion davisii, alt. species bessonowi
• Heterosteus ingens
• Jaekelopterus rhenaniae
• Pterygotus anglicus

Vivarium:

• Anomalocaris canadensis (Aquatic)
• Isotelus rex (Aquatic)

[coarse inlet]

honestly I think Pterygotus and Cameroceras make better vivarium species

[mint creek]

I would be shocked if Dunk wasn't part of the aquatics expansion and needed a DLC

[fiery crow]

how we feeling about Titanichthys instead

[coarse inlet]

how about Heterosteus

[alpine thicket]

I think Dunk is incredibly obvious and inevitable but I could see it being in the DLC portion.

[coarse inlet]

I've been making my own marine DLC ideas, i'll post them when finalized

my thought for paleozoic is for it to be 10 vivarium species and 2 habitat species though

[fiery crow]

how’ve I been doing with mine
#1360542295228944414 message #1360542295228944414 message

[mint creek]

My expectations (8 animals based on the RE post) for the hypothetical aquatics expansion is;

• Dunk
• Ichthyosaurus
• Plesiosaurus (or Elasmosaurus)
• Kronosaurus (or Pliosaurus)
• Mosasaurus hoffmani
• Basilosaurus
• Megalodon
• Livyatan
  These are the "big" aquatics in my mind.

[coarse inlet]

I'm splitting mine into 5: Base marine (8 habitat, 2 vivarium + 3 free habitat), Cenozoic marine (6 habitat, 2 vivarium + 1 free habitat), marine reptiles (6 habitat, 2 vivarium +1 free habitat), freshwater (6 habitat, 2 vivarium +1 free habitat), and paleozoic marine (10 vivarium, 2 habitat +2 free vivarium)

[cosmic cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-gif-17870535188958174605

[coarse inlet]

why is it ragebait lmao

[fiery crow]

Hibbertopterus Megalograptus and Megarachne work better as vivies imo

[coarse inlet]

two ambush predators of relatively small size that wouldnt fit the breeding system make more sense in a vivarium

[coarse inlet]

I agree, those are good vivarium picks

I'm just saying especially Cameroceras is a real stretch for a full habitat species

[fiery crow]

Cameroceras is massive

[coarse inlet]

not really

it's like

slightly larger than Tiktaalik length-wise

[fiery crow]

6 meters long

that’s 20 feet

[coarse inlet]

no not 6 meters, 6 feet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameroceras#Size

Endoceras is the really big one but even that's not quite at 6 meters

\

[fiery crow]

the image isn’t showing up

[coarse inlet]

https://incertaesedisblog.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/endoceras-size-comparison.png

that work?

[hollow flower]

Cameroceras is mid compared to the real goat Endoceras

[coarse inlet]

E. giganteum could make a decent habitat species if it weren't for ontogeny

and the fact that adults mainly just sat there

[fiery crow]

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-hiromi-higuruma-jujutsu-kaisen-jujutsu-kaisen-meme-jjk-memes-gif-10370496866020481076

[coarse inlet]

what's that for lmao

[fiery crow]

I. all I did was post a speculative DLC.

[coarse inlet]

yes?

and I was responding to it in a pretty neutral tone???

I'm just discussing what you brought up

[fiery crow]

well. okay. I think Cameroceras works as a habitat species. you think it works as a vivie. so let’s leave it at that.

[coarse inlet]

ok?

[cosmic cosmos]

whats wrong with their ontogeny? from what i can see on wiki they wouldve hatched large and dont go through some drastic metamorphosis

[coarse inlet]

IDK why you don't want to have a conversation, you seemed fine with it a second ago

[fiery crow]

I’m fine.

[coarse inlet]

they seem to have changed shape a lot in a way that affected their lifestyle, going from nektonic to benthic, I imagine that'd be difficult to implement

[fiery crow]

would it be better to replace Cameroceras with something else? it’s one of the more iconic Paleozoic sea creatures in my opinion.

[coarse inlet]

I'd be all for Cameroceras, I was just making a comment about how I thought it'd be best implemented into this game

I'm sorry if I upset you

[fiery crow]

no it’s fine.

[plush nacelle]

Would be interesting as exhibit species, but at the same time I dont really see a difference, if it was vivarium species instead

Didnt it just move slowly around?

[fiery crow]

the only one from my list that I think can be replaced with something else would be Cladoselache

[plush nacelle]

From more zoo approach, cause some people obviously would like to see it fight with something else

[coarse inlet]

maybe Stethacanthus?

[coarse inlet]

yeah that was my thought, at least as adults

[plush nacelle]

I feel like some animals are simply not complex enough to be exhibit animals. Hibbertopterus is one. Big, but at the same time it just probably sat on bottom and crawl from one place to another. Hardly anything interesting with enrichment, social behaviour or animation standpoint

[cosmic cosmos]

i think it'd be a waste not to use one of the two best picks for a proper exhibit cephalopod (Parapuzosia and Endoceras/Cameroceras)

[fiery crow]

Orthoceras?

[coarse inlet]

What about Enchoteuthis

[cosmic cosmos]

what about it

[fiery crow]

Diplomoceras

[coarse inlet]

Ok, here's my pitch
Base Marine Expansion:
Free Species:

• Mosasaurus hoffmani
• Plesiosaurus dolichodeirus
• Ichthyosaurus communis

Habitat Species:

• Otodus megalodon
• Liopleurodon ferox
• Dunkleosteus terrelli
• Elasmosaurus platyurus/Styxosaurus snowii
• Archelon ischyros
• Basilosaurus cetoides/isis
• Placodus gigas
• Hesperornis regalis/rossicus

Vivarium Species:

• Enchodus petrosus
• Titanites giganteus
• Anomalocaris canadensis
• Isotelus rex

[fiery crow]

could Protostega be an alt. genus for Archelon

[coarse inlet]

I feel like it's too different

at least to my memory

but I did consider it

[fiery crow]

oh wow Titanites is a LOT smaller than I thought it was

[mint creek]

Really solid list. I'd probably move either Meg or Basilosaurus to the free species list just so it has some cenozoic rep but great overall.

[fiery crow]

is Anomalo the only chance we have at getting something from the Cambrian other than Omnidens

[mint creek]

I think Tullimonstrum has a reasonable chance

[coarse inlet]

that's carboniferous

[mint creek]

Oh wait

Wrong period

[fiery crow]

…Tulli isn’t Cambrian

[mint creek]

I saw 'C' and assumed Cambrian

[fiery crow]

Tulli would be nice though
have scientists figured out what the fuck it’s supposed to be yet

[coarse inlet]

anyway the answer is yes I have one more in my list for a paleozoic marine dlc

Cenozoic Marine DLC
Free Species:

• Hydrodamalis gigas

Habitat Species:

• Paleoparadoxia tabatai
• Livyatan melvilli
• Odobenocetops peruvianus/leptodon
• Dyrosaurus phosphaticus
• Kairuku waewaeroa/grebneffi
• Pontolis magnus

Vivarium Species:

• Palaeophis colossaeus
• Serrasalmimus secans

I was originally gonna put Squalodon to have some more diversity in whale size but decided Livyatan was too iconic not to use

[fiery crow]

I’d say Enailarctos or Praepusa would be good vivies

[coarse inlet]

pinnipeds are energetic enough that the vivarium sizes might feel too cramped

plus I was sticking to a 2 vivarium species format for this one and really wanted those two

[fiery crow]

ah, that’s fair

what’s Serrasalmimus secans? that one’s new to me

[coarse inlet]

piranha-mimicking pycnodont

[fiery crow]

that’s pretty cool

[coarse inlet]

yeah, an obscure one that I found out about a while ago while looking for what pycnodonts might be good vivarium species

[fiery crow]

Henso and Gebra are probably too small methinks

[coarse inlet]

yeah, sadly

[plush nacelle]

With pycondonts all of them are great

U just pick few different fish shapes

[fiery crow]

so incredibly underrated

[plush nacelle]

Mandatory to have few different fish species in vivarium at least

[fiery crow]

if we don’t get Sacabambaspis I’m gonna riot

[coarse inlet]

oh that's a good one, bigger than I thought

[plush nacelle]

Take some from solnhofen or interior seaway and call it a day

[fiery crow]

I have my own WIS DLC

#1360542295228944414 message

[coarse inlet]

Mesozoic Marine Reptile DLC
*Free Species: *

• Cymbospondylus youngorum

Habitat Species:

• Dolichorhynchops osborni/Martinectes bonneri
• Shonisaurus popularis
• Nothosaurus mirabilis/giganteus
• Metriorhynchus brevirostris
• Tylosaurus proriger/rex/bernardi
• Eurhinosaurus longirostris

*Vivarium Species: *

• Pleurosaurus ginsburgi
• Hupehsuchus nanchangensis

[fiery crow]

Atopodentatus and Tanystropheus 💔

Henodus 💔

[coarse inlet]

my thought was that those could be added in a general Triassic DLC

and they are in fact on my Triassic DLC list

[fiery crow]

oh that’s a good idea

I’m guessing maybe Shasta too

[coarse inlet]

Probably no room sadly

I had to discipline myself on my ichthyosaur picks

if I had no impulse control I'd have put all ichthyosaurs and plesiosaurs tbh

[fiery crow]

both Hupehsuchus and Eretmorhipis would work well imo

[coarse inlet]

Freshwater DLC
Free Species:

• Onchopristis numida

Habitat Species:

• Rhizodus hibberti
• Sarcosuchus imperator
• Pholiderpeton scutigerum/attheyi
• Stupendemys geographica
• Castoroides ohioensis
• Vancleavea campi

Vivarium Species:

• Habrosaurus dilatus
• Henodus chelyops

[fiery crow]

oh I didn’t know Henodus was freshwater, that’s new

I’d say a choristodere would work wonders here, either Champso as a habitat or Lazarussuchus as a vivie would be my picks

these are some really good lists so far

[cosmic cosmos]

id say dakosaurus > Metriorhynchus

[coarse inlet]

it was a toss up between those two

I went with the one I saw as more iconic, though personally I prefer Dakosaurus I think if the game could only have one it'd be Metriorhynchus

[cosmic cosmos]

dako has a more unique silhouette and size

[coarse inlet]

I agree

these are less "my personal favorites" and more "what's a relatively realistic set of aquatic animals to hope for"

[fiery crow]

I’d say bring Livyatan over to the base expansion pack and replace it with Piscobalaena
replace Dyrosaurus with Piscogavialis

[coarse inlet]

I cut a LOT from the freshwater list in particular

[coarse inlet]

funnily enough Dyrosaurus replaced Piscogavialis (which replaced Rhamphosuchus) as I was writing that list

Livyatan needs to be in the cenozoic DLC

part of my design philosophy is that each pack needs a poster-animal that can draw people in even if they aren't ultra-nerds

[fiery crow]

Castorocauda not being in the Freshwater pack

eee idk man

[coarse inlet]

listen, I WANTED to include SO MANY MORE freshwater animals

like probably double this amount

but I thought that was unrealistic

[fiery crow]

I get it cuz there’s SO MANY GOOD CHOICES

[coarse inlet]

having to cut Leptocleidus, Pannoniasaurus, Mawsonia, Champsosaurus, Mastodonsaurus, etc was a real shame

[fiery crow]

you could probably do Triassic, Jurassic, and Cretaceous packs

[coarse inlet]

I COULD, but it doesn't feel realistic

[fiery crow]

I get it

[coarse inlet]

that said I think I'm gonna break up my paleozic list into a paleozoic marine DLC with 6 habitat species and 2 vivarium species, and an overall marine vivarium pack with 10 vivarium species from different eras

[fiery crow]

ight

god there’s so many good choices when it comes to Paleozoic stuff

SO MANY

Mesosaurus, Xenacanthus, Hibbertopterus, Saivodus, etc.

[coarse inlet]

Paleozoic Aquatic DLC
Free (Vivarium) Species:

• Cameroceras turrsoides
• Hibbertopterus scouleri

Habitat Species:

• Helicoprion bessonowi
• Heterosteus asmussi
• Saivodus striatus
• Orthacanthus platypternus
• Gaiasia jennyae
• Stethacanthus productus

Vivarium Species:

• Mesosaurus tenuidens
• Megalograptus ohioensis

[fiery crow]

YEAHHHH

GAIASIA

[alpine thicket]

hibby my beloved

[fiery crow]

Hibby gives me horseshoe crab vibes

[alpine thicket]

Though maybe I missed it looking at each pack but I'm surprised no Kronosaurus.

[coarse inlet]

there's a reason for that, I have it on my list for a "hot and cold" temperature-focused DLC

[alpine thicket]

Aaah okay.

[fiery crow]

do you have any plans for a Paleocene DLC or is the Paleocene just not really that interesting specieswise

[fiery crow]

what other plans do you have for DLC? I’ve really liked yours so far

[shy vale]

this is kuanti formation erasure

[fiery crow]

Megamastax my beloved

[coarse inlet]

Extreme Climates Expansion
Free Species:

• Lystrosaurus murrayi/mccaigi/curvatus
• Crocuta spelaea
• Tenontosaurus tilletti/dossi

Habitat Species

• Eolambia caroljonesa
• Giganotosaurus carolinii
• Macrauchenia patachonica
• Kronosaurus queenslandicus/Sachicasaurus vitae
• Aristonectes quiriquinensis
• Barylambda faberi
• Homotherium simum/latidens
• Pachyaena gigantea

Vivarium Species:

• Priosphenodon
• Buitreraptor gonzalesorum
• Thrinaxodon liorhinus
• Vegavis iaai

[fiery crow]

Barylambda 🗣️

idk if I prefer Mongolestes over Pachyaena or not but any sort of mesonychid would be great in general

[shy vale]

i don't get how tenotosaurus relates to extreme climates?

[feral cedar]

Now that we have a rough reference for DLCs including 6 full exhibits and 2 vivariums this concept can be tweaked

[shy vale]

i would've liked to have some pterosaurs in this pack too

like sinopterus (especially in light of the melanosome findings)

[feral cedar]

The problem with a "Jehol Biota" DLC is that the overwhelming majority of worthwhile additions are of vivarium-sized animals. Confuciusornis, Sapeornis, Jeholornis, Sinosauropteryx, Sinornithosaurus, Caudipteryx, Hyphalosaurus, Repenomamus, perhaps even Longipteryx with that sweet Netflix exposure

Haolong is known from only juveniles and it's possible an adult may not even have properly visible bristles which is the entire reason people would add it. Liaoningosaurus is not semi-aquatic and that's the only reason it's gotten attention. I would definitely enjoy Beipiaosaurus but knowing there's undescribed adult specimens that resemble more typical therizinosaurs means there's a bit of uncertainty regarding what it'd really look like

So we're left with only Yutyrannus

[shy vale]

what about mei and incisivosaurus?

[eager thunder]

I mean speculation in designs isn’t something above Pk or anything

[coarse inlet]

a Jehol vivarium pack could be great though

[feral cedar]

Mei is an interesting little troodontid but I think it's also vivarium-locked

Incisivosaurus... is carried by memes honestly

[shy vale]

maybe combine a nemegt/djadochta dlc
-therizinosaurus
-tarchia/saichania/pinacosaurus
-gallimimus/aepyornithomimus
-prenocephale/goyocephale/homalocephale
-saurornitholestes/zanabazar

[coarse inlet]

I was really hoping someone would ask that!
It's there as a counterexample: Tenontosaurus thrived through extreme climate shifts, from temperate arid to humid tropical, so would be added with the climate system to showcase an animal that's flexible in different conditions

[coarse inlet]

eh?

[shy vale]

and for vivarium species there would be deltatheridium

[coarse inlet]

it's really not

it's a really neat and unique dinosaur

also

Prehistoric Park alumn

[feral cedar]

Oh absolutely, I think a Jehol vivarium pack could afford to be huge in species count with the lessened workload (no alt skins, no ontogeny)

And then Yutyrannus can be added in like some... idk, predator pack. Do what Frontier did

[shy vale]

maybe like a "giants of china" pack

[coarse inlet]

Yutyrannus will probably be a free addition

[fiery crow]

you cooked with that btw

[feral cedar]

Well in that case then there goes the posterchild for a Jehol pack LOL

I mean maybe the Jehol pack goes heavy on the vivariums and only tosses in like Beipi and I guess Incisivosaurus cause it seems to be big enough

And boom, done

[coarse inlet]

Yeah a 2 habitat 10 vivarium pack could be neat

[fiery crow]

if we get Hyphalo Jehelornis and Jehelopterus I’m a happy man

[coarse inlet]

Jeholopterus, funnily enough...

isn't Jehol

[shy vale]

jehelopterus was presesent in tiaojishan, not yixian/jiufotang

a tiaojishan vivarium pack would itself be pretty sick though

[coarse inlet]

I'd put Incisivosaurus in the vivs and give Dilong the slot

[fiery crow]

lemme work on that Jehol DLC pack actually

[feral cedar]

Yeah but if you do that then Incisivosaurus loses to Caudipteryx in the slot of "basal Yixian oviraptorosaur"

[reef relic]

So the better option going forward is to have 6 habitat and 2 vivarium species. Also, I agree that the majority of the worthwhile additions are little dudes. I actually struggled to decide if Caudipteryx would/should be a vivarium or a habitat species.

[coarse inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-por-que-no-gif-23322568

[feral cedar]

hmmmm

[fiery crow]

Dongbeititan or Liaoningotitan, would they be good additions?

[feral cedar]

In my humble opinion, no

[fiery crow]

too generic

[shy vale]

idea for tiaojishan vivarium dlc
-tianyulong
-pulaosaurus
-anchiornis
-volaticotherium
-chunerpeton
-arboroharamiya
-docofossor
-rugosodon

[coarse inlet]

The templates I'm using are:
6 habitat/2 vivarium (basic DLC)
8 habitat/4 vivarium (expansions including major new features)
2 habitat/10 vivarium (vivarium focused DLC)
3 habitat/1 vivarium (mini-pack)

[feral cedar]

Not just that, they're one of those dinosaurs that people only really give attention to because they come from a formation that also has another dinosaur people actually do like

[reef relic]

I like this!

[shy vale]

that's assuming that mau would use that

[feral cedar]

Like Gargoyleosaurus with the Morrison Formation

[shy vale]

i feel that the idea for the recently extinct species seems bit more "irregular"

[reef relic]

https://tenor.com/view/keep-my-wifes-name-out-of-your-mouth-will-smith-chris-rock-oscars-punch-gif-25407184

KEEP MY BOY'S NAME

OUT YO MOUTH

[shy vale]

hesperornithoides doesn't deserve that type of slander though

that was one of the earliest troodontids

[feral cedar]

Gargoyleosaurus's gimmick as a spiky nodosaur is taken by Polacanthus/Gastonia, and the gimmick of being a smaller than usual ankylosaurian is better off given to a parankylosaur. It has NOTHING without its formation

[shy vale]

nor does stokesosaurus

[feral cedar]

Stokesosaurus... intrigues me

Together with Juratyrant it appears to form a clade, the Stokesosauridae

But stokesosaurids are rather elusive

[coarse inlet]

speaking of which, since I realized I have some big holes in my marine roster:
Oops! All Fish! Mini-Pack
Habitat Species:

• Xiphactinus audax
• Leedsichthys problematicus
• Hybodus hauffianus
  Vivarium Species:
• Saurichthys sp.

[feral cedar]

I didn't even know stokesosaurs were a thing until recently

[coarse inlet]

Tanycolagreus and Ornitholestes are the better Morrison coelurosaurs IMO

Coelurus too maybe

[shy vale]

ornitholestes is overrated

people only care because of walking with dinosaurs

[coarse inlet]

I think there's ongoing research on Coelurus that may make it more interesting

[coarse inlet]

what???

Ornitholestes was one of the most famous coelurosaurs for like 80 years before that

[shy vale]

(yes i know about the whole potential "ornitholestes could be a basal oviraptorosaur", but yi qi is already in the game and some have argued that scansoriopterygids could also be basal oviraptorosaurs too)

[fiery crow]

Monjurosuchus or Hyphalosaurus, take your pick

[feral cedar]

Hyphalosaurus

The trivia of the two-headed specimen is what makes it win for me

[coarse inlet]

Hyphalosaurus, it's iconic to the Yixian thanks to that traveling exhibit in the 00s

[feral cedar]

Wait, wouldn't the nature of cloning mean if we used the two-headed specimen EVERY hyphalo would be two-headed?

[ancient ibex]

Ornitholestes is pretty much "non-tyrannosauroid coelurosaur" tbh

[feral cedar]

(hah 2 dryo heads, get it?)

[ancient ibex]

It'd be cool if we found more of it

[feral cedar]

Ornitholestes is so mysterious because we have the one singular specimen and that's it

[coarse inlet]

no?

[shy vale]

isn't that position filled by compsgonathus and sinosauropteryx nowadays?

[coarse inlet]

nocturnal, stocky non-tyrannosauroid

[shy vale]

ok i was too flippant and harsh about ornitholestes

[coarse inlet]

it's different from a lot of the others of its grade

[shy vale]

but like the popularity went down after the whole "it didn't actually have a crest" findings in the 2000s

[coarse inlet]

I mean, the crest was neat but meh

[shy vale]

like i think guanlong and even proceratosaurus get more attention nowadays tbh

or maybe that's just me

[coarse inlet]

Guanlong sure

but Proceratosaurus is just because it's namedropped in JP

Tanycolagreus is real neat tho

I just like Morrison mesopredators

[shy vale]

well there's also "it coexisted with megalosaurus, the 1st dinosaur named ever"

but i think that's more of a paleo-nerd thing

[ancient ibex]

I honestly find Juratyrant compelling, close to 6 meter long jurassic tyrannosaur

[shy vale]

like i mentioned a number of times, i wanted to do something involving proceratosaurus and megalosaurus that is a phylogeny joke and a jurassic park 3 reference

[coarse inlet]

if Juratyrant was added I could see Stokesosaurus as an alt

[ancient ibex]

Ornitholestes is weird in the way we don't know what it is close to

[coarse inlet]

yeah

[ancient ibex]

A stokesosaur skull would be so helpful...

[coarse inlet]

100%

[shy vale]

juratyrant also is like the go-to replacement for eustreptospondylus for wwd fan remake ideas

speaking of which, which animals only are famous because of wwd popularity and basically have fallen off since?

eustreptospondylus is one of them i think

[coarse inlet]

Ornithocheirus for sure

[shy vale]

as in the og one?

[coarse inlet]

Eustrepto is actuall really interesting tbf (and very different from the one in the show)

[shy vale]

because the one in the show is actually tropeognathus, and that has some popularity still

[coarse inlet]

sure

[shy vale]

unfortunately that big specimen got destroyed in the 2018 brazilian museum fire

[coarse inlet]

god dont fuckin remind me]

Liopleurodon has definitely become less popular when people realize it was only great white sized

[shy vale]

yep, and pliosaurus got more popular due to the "predator x" hype in the late 2000s-early 2010s

though sachisaurus should get more attention

[coarse inlet]

yep

[fiery crow]

Jehol Biota DLC

Habitat:

• Beipiaosaurus inexpectus
• Dilong paradoxus

Vivarium:

• Caudipteryx zoui (Terrestrial)
• Confusciusornis dui (Arboreal)
• Hyphalosaurus lingyuanensis (Amphibious)
• Incisivosaurus gautheri (Terrestrial)
• Jehelornis prima (Arboreal)
• Liaobatrachus zhaoi (Amphibious)
• Liushusaurus acanthocaudata (Arboreal)
• Repenomamus robustus (Terrestrial)
• Sinosauropteryx lingyuanensis (Terrestrial)
• Xianglong zhaoi (Arboreal)

[alpine thicket]

Kronosaurus is probably the most popular pliosaur these days.

[shy vale]

why dilong and not yutyrannus?

[coarse inlet]

Xianglong's real small

[coarse inlet]

yeah though some of that is due to Monquirasaurus and Sachicasaurus

[shy vale]

plus cryptoclidus and opthalamosaurus

[coarse inlet]

Yutyrannus is likely to be a free addition since it was in the original early access roster

[shy vale]

ah i see then

[fiery crow]

yeah

[coarse inlet]

yeah Cryptocleidus is like one of the least weird members of its family

[fiery crow]

the ones I’m the most unsure on are Liushusaurus and Liaobatrachus

[shy vale]

you're referring to the likes of abyssosaurus right?

also one species that definitely is only really known because of wwb is dinofelis

[coarse inlet]

Liobatrachus, Xianglong, and Liushusaurus are probably too small

[coarse inlet]

yeah

[fiery crow]

my bias for geckos is doing a lotta heavy carrying here

[shy vale]

like it's overshadowed by megantereon and homotherium

[fiery crow]

what should I replace em with

[shy vale]

also the other messel pit animals in new dawn

especially godinota

like darwinius has gotten more popularity, i would argue

[coarse inlet]

Sinopterus, Sinornithosaurus, and Monjurosuchus?

Messel Pit could make a good viv-focused DLC tho

[shy vale]

sinopterus would be a good choice

especially with the melanosome findings

[coarse inlet]

yeah

plus it'd be good to have a vivarium tapejarid since they were climbers

[fiery crow]

Jehol Biota DLC

Habitat:

• Beipiaosaurus inexpectus
• Dilong paradoxus

Vivarium:

• Caudipteryx zoui (Terrestrial)
• Confusciusornis dui (Arboreal)
• Gobiconodon zofiae (Terrestrial)
• Hyphalosaurus lingyuanensis (Amphibious)
• Incisivosaurus gautheri (Terrestrial)
• Jehelornis prima (Arboreal)
• Monjurosuchus splendens (Amphibious)
• Repenomamus robustus (Terrestrial)
• Sinopterus dongi (Amphibious)
• Sinosauropteryx lingyuanensis (Terrestrial)

[coarse inlet]

nice

[fiery crow]

using your “template”

should I do Messel Pit

and Tiaojishan

Yanliao Biota DLC

Vivarium:

• Anchiornis huxleyi (Arboreal)
• Arboroharamiya jenkinsi (Arboreal)
• Castorocauda lutrasimilis (Amphibious)
• Chunerpeton tianyiensis (Amphibious)
• Darwinopterus modularis (Arboreal)
• Docofossor brachydactylus (Terrestrial)
• Jehelopterus ningchengensis (Arboreal)
• Rugosodon eurasiaticus (Terrestrial)
• Tianyulong confuciusi (Terrestrial)
• Volaticotherium antiquum (Arboreal)

it’s all just vivies

always has been

[shy vale]

we don't know for sure if juramaia came from tiaojishan though?

but that was the idea i was going with earlier

[fiery crow]

how big was Chunerpeton

[plush nacelle]

Good thing great auk came in clutch and caudipteryx, sinornithosaurus and especially repenomamus are now contenders for exhibit species

[fiery crow]

idk man I think they’re still gonna work better as vivies

[reef relic]

Someone give me a biome theme to work with for a fan DLC, I'm bored.

[fiery crow]

polar (non-Pleistocene for some fun and a challenge)

[plush nacelle]

No reason to have them in vivarium in such case when these are also better at terrestrial locomotion and wouldnt even require deep diving

[fiery crow]

I’m not convinced they won’t work as vivarium species

[plush nacelle]

Great auk can work outside so...

[fiery crow]

there is a significant difference between the Great Auk when compared to:

• Caudipteryx
• Sinornithosaurus
• Repenomamus

[plush nacelle]

Repenomamus giganticus is easily twice as big, would be really nice addition when we consider PK combat system

[coarse inlet]

Repenomamus I agree with

especially since if you include R. giganticus they get around Velociraptor sized

Caudipteryx feels close to Mononykus to me, though, both in size and the kind of enclosure it'd need

Sinornithosaurus being a possible glider makes it a little trickier as well

[fiery crow]

okay but I still think Repenomamus works better as a vivarium species

[coarse inlet]

why?

[fiery crow]

any early mammals from the Mesozoic should be considered a vivie species to me unless there’s enough reasons why

[coarse inlet]

well this feels like the one obvious exception given that it hunted dinosaurs that are habitat species in the game

and is larger than some habitat species

[fiery crow]

so what you’re saying is that it works both as a vivie species and a habitat species

[coarse inlet]

maybe? But you don't really get anything out of restricting it to vivariums

it's not a climber, not fossorial as far as I know, not difficult to animate moving freely

[fiery crow]

okay

then do you want me to fix my Jehol Biota DLC

[reef relic]

🫡

[coarse inlet]

your choice I just thought I'd add my two cents

[reef relic]

Wait sorry, this is a region. Are you referring to animals specifically from the poles, or animals that lived in very cold environments?

[fiery crow]

very cold environments

[coarse inlet]

Those are a BITCH to find

[reef relic]

Nah nah, I gotchu. I'm considering "very cold" to be very cold for the time period, not just by our standards.

[fiery crow]

I was going to say
if it was too much of a challenge you can do animals from the poles instead

[coarse inlet]

Base Flying Expansion
Free Species:

• Pteranodon longiceps/sternbergi
• Heiraaetus moorei
• Rhamphorhynchus muensteri

Habitat Species:

• Tropeognathus messembrinus
• Tupandactylus imperator/navigans
• Dsungaripterus weii
• Pterodaustro guinazui
• Quetzalcoatlus northropi
• Thalassodromeus sethi
• Argentavis magnificens
• Pelagornis sandersi

Vivarium Species:

• Dimorphodon macronyx
• Kunpengopterus antipollicatus
• Icaronycteris index
• Lithornis celetius

[plush nacelle]

Would put bat in viv, cause why not

[coarse inlet]

I did

[plush nacelle]

Oh right

[fiery crow]

there’s a lot of really neat bats you could use

Desmodus draculae?

[coarse inlet]

Icaronycteris is the only one I find at all interesting from the fossil record tbh

D. draculae is like

[fiery crow]

but then how would you work around its diet, do vampire bats only feed on blood?

[coarse inlet]

big FOR A VAMPIRE BAT, but still tiny

[fiery crow]

I’m surprised at the lack of Meganeura but I’m guessing you’re saving that for something else

[coarse inlet]

I'm assuming that Meganeura is one of the U19 vivarium species tbh

I'm surprised you didn't notice the most glaring ommission though

[plush nacelle]

Onychonycteris is also decent

[coarse inlet]

forgot about that one

[fiery crow]

should there be a pack just for climbers
not sure if there should or not considering idk if the mods said anything about climbing being implemented or not

[coarse inlet]

It'd be cool

[toxic oriole]

no pterodactylus is a crime

:(

[slim flare]

Argentavis needs a Teratornis alt

[toxic oriole]

Am I the only one who thinks Pterodactylus deserves more recognition?

[slim flare]

Also, no lawsoni alt?

The vivarium picks, outside Dimorphodon, are odd

[toxic oriole]

have p. sternbergi just be named geosternbergia

[slim flare]

No

Why?

[toxic oriole]

yes

Why not?

[slim flare]

Because it’s P. sternbergi

?

[toxic oriole]

Nah I'm just gonna call it Geosternbergia >:D

Just to anger some people

[shy vale]

even in the solnhofen there's rhamphorhynchus, anurognathus, and ctenochasmatids

pterodactylus doesn't really stand out as much

[slim flare]

No Anurognathus is a crime

[shy vale]

though it is a relative of the ctenochasmatids

[toxic oriole]

Its the first Pterosaur ever described and discovered, one of the originals

early paleo-art go wee

[shy vale]

yeah and megalosaurus was the 1st dinosaur described but is it a must-have?

[toxic oriole]

Plus, more synergy points with Compsognathus, Archaeopteryx and others

[shy vale]

but i get your point

[fiery crow]

there’s cooler megalosaurs but imo yes

[toxic oriole]

If not Megalosaurus as a species, then I'd take something rather than nothing

[peak hazel]

Torvosaurus then

[shy vale]

that's already in the game

[toxic oriole]

edmarka rex........................... /j

[peak hazel]

I think a classic Megalosaurus statue would be nice

[coarse inlet]

no because it's not Quetz

[coarse inlet]

thanks

[slim flare]

It’s never been Quetz. Your point?

[toxic oriole]

So if lawsoni isnt Quetzalcoatlus, then what is it?

[slim flare]

Northropi will be based on lawsoni, so have lawsoni as an alt

[shy vale]

maybe leshanosaurs for a shaximiao pack

[fiery crow]

La Brea Tar Pits DLC

Habitat:

• Aenocyon dirus
• Arctodus simus
• Bos antiquus, alt. species latifrons
• Camelops hesternus
• Capromeryx minor
• Mammuthus columbi
• Miracinonyx trumani
• Paramylodon harlani
• Meleagris californica (Terrestrial)

Vivarium:

• Asphaltoglaux cecilae (Arboreal)

Aviary:

• Buteogallus woodwardi
• Coragyps occidentalis
• Teratornis merriami

[slim flare]

Bruhhh

[coarse inlet]

Anyway there’s a reason I didn’t include Pterodactylus, it’s so I can have an extra A-lister to boost another DLC pack

[plush nacelle]

Making these sloths alt to each other is like making camel alt to bison

[slim flare]

Ground sloth are NOT interchangeable like that

[coarse inlet]

Yeah

[toxic oriole]

A-lister

Don't get it

[fiery crow]

should I just have Nothro

[shy vale]

it's a old hollywood expression

[coarse inlet]

It’s a popular, easily recognizable species that can draw attention to a dlc

[plush nacelle]

Paramylodon is la brea sloth

[slim flare]

How is B. latifrons an alt genus?

[toxic oriole]

Sorry what

I just noticed that

Aurochs as the main species and the Steppe Bison as an alt?

[slim flare]

Wait wait wait

[toxic oriole]

OH

God dammit it said antiquus

[slim flare]

You put the dwarf pronghorn as exhibit, but the turkey as vivarium?

[toxic oriole]

🤦‍♀️

[fiery crow]

turkey is small enough to be a vivie

[toxic oriole]

nonono wait, is Aurochs basically Bos antiquus or something else?

I keep forgetting

[tawdry marlin]

Aurochs is Bos primigenius

[toxic oriole]

Ah right

[fiery crow]

this list just fucking sucks yeah

[slim flare]

So is the dwarf pronghorn

They’re both like 20 lbs

[toxic oriole]

Noticed a long-horn bison

[shy vale]

shaximiao dlc
-yangchuanosaurus
-tuojiangosaurus
-gigantspinosaurus
-mamenchisaurus
-shunosaurus
-bishanopliosaurus (if there's aquatics)
-leshansaurus
-sunosuchus

[toxic oriole]

or something

[fiery crow]

aren’t pronghorns considerably more energetic than turkeys though

[slim flare]

Also the passenger pigeon is already coming in the RE DLC

[toxic oriole]

most likely

sunosuchus?

[slim flare]

I mean, they’re both endothermic so… no?

[toxic oriole]

Wow

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunosuchus
So this is Sunosuchus

Possibly early jurassic, but made it to the early cretaceous of sorts

before dying

[fiery crow]

well uh
RIP to two of my vivie species

one got upgraded to full habitat and the other’s probably gonna be in the game at some point

[slim flare]

You should probably do 6 exhibit, 2 vivarium like RE

[toxic oriole]

The format is shown...

Not really

Can- OH I SEE PASSENGER PIGEON

[toxic oriole]

Yeah I see it

[plush nacelle]

Not convienced on victorian scenery pieces only

I can see it, but it is not readable at all

map and mission inclusion makes sense and there is clear + in middle

[fiery crow]

La Brea Tar Pits DLC

Habitat:

• Aenocyon dirus
• Arctodus simus
• Camelops hesternus
• Mammuthus columbi
• Miracinonyx trumani
• Nothrotheriops shastensis

Vivarium:

• Asphaltoglaux cecilae (Arboreal)
• Capromeryx minor (Terrestrial)

[toxic oriole]

Dire wolf is gonna be a given

thats for sure

[plush nacelle]

Maybe it is supposed to be recently extinct plants, cause why not

[slim flare]

Dire wolf should be base game ngl

[fiery crow]

I had no idea Capromeryx was actually that small

[slim flare]

Idk why people want Paramylodon tho

[coarse inlet]

Like I said you gotta save some a listers to the dlc

[fiery crow]

Paramylodon or Nothro

[slim flare]

Nothrotheriops is way more unique compared to quasi-confirmed Megatherium

Or even Megalonyx

[plush nacelle]

Consider this

Mylodon and paramylodon in one bundle

[shy vale]

and have mylodon be bit more omnivorous

[slim flare]

Are they actually that similar?

[shy vale]

they're fairly closely related

[plush nacelle]

I guess so, was talking with AD about it once and you can also throw glossotherium as third

[slim flare]

Glossotherium, Paramylodon

Mylodon

[fiery crow]

three in one deal, I’m sold

[slim flare]

My point is that they’re rather different

[reef relic]

Here ya go!
Each of these species existed within habitats that were very cold given their current time. I was a bit surprised that the Nemegt formation would've seen snow, and that Herrerasaurus evidently lived in a place that would've averaged about 45 F, with very cold winters.
I imagine Koolasuchus would need to be exclusively in the largest vivarium, solitary, and not move much in order to work.

[shy vale]

rather have koolasuchus as exhibit if these constraints are needed for vivarium

should stegouros be a vivarium instead?

[fiery crow]

I was gonna say Koola and Eoraptor would work as habitat species

[slim flare]

Why is Herrerasaurus “cool”?

[reef relic]

Given how little it would move, I feel the devs would either include it as a vivarium animal or nothing at all.

[toxic oriole]

Is it too late to suggest Glacialisaurus?

Synergy with Cryolophosaurus

[reef relic]

I actually already had it on there, lol.

[shy vale]

and how could you have a "cooldown dlc" without yutyrannus?

[reef relic]

I removed it in favor of the Antarctic Lystrosaurus

[fiery crow]

Yuty will probs be free content let’s be real

[reef relic]

Cuz I've made three of these and the last one had Yutyrannus as the posterchild animal

[toxic oriole]

Sooo why is Therizinosaurus there, alongside Herrerasaurus?

[slim flare]

There’s nothing cold about Yutyrannus 😭

[fiery crow]

apparently the Nemegt was really cold

[slim flare]

It lived with the butt-ass naked Psittacosaurus

[reef relic]

Nemegt formation was seasonally cold enough to see snow, as was Ischigualasto

[toxic oriole]

How?
IT WAS THE LATE TRIASSIC

[reef relic]

Which is weird considering Ischigualasto was housing a number of Rauisuchians

[slim flare]

I mean sometimes it snows in South Carolina

[shy vale]

allegedly, early dinosaurs needed feathery integument as insulation or something like that

[reef relic]

Just because a time period is known for hot climates doesn't mean cold ones flat-out couldn't exist

[fiery crow]

I think you did a good job Birdskull

[shy vale]

i mean there's campanian glaciation, apparently

[reef relic]

Pretty sure Ischi and Nemegt were cold partially due to their elevation, iirc.

[toxic oriole]

Even so its just...
Like, thats bizarre to me

[reef relic]

I wanted to go for animals people typically wouldn't have known to be from cold climes

[shy vale]

though honestly, there should be more carboniferous shit

[toxic oriole]

Still though, really is a missed opportunity to have Glacialisaurus paired with Cryolophosaurus
Those two co-existed and whatever

[shy vale]

like seriously, apparently the carboniferous was during an ice age and we never really see it as such in popular imagination

[slim flare]

Is it cold if it snows seasonally? 😭

[toxic oriole]

Even then, Antarctica was not a frozen wasteland like today

[reef relic]

Yhup!

[shy vale]

the only times when this is shown is in brusatte's mammals book and knuppe's formation piece of the seaham formation

like why don't we see helicoprion swimming around icebergs or something like that?

[coarse inlet]

That’s because all the fossils were from the equatorial region

We don’t have shit from the cold parts

[reef relic]

Yup. But also these formations had a median temperature that was far lower than the planetary "standard" of the time. Both of them sat solidly in the 40-50 degree zone, and idk about you but that's coat-wearing weather in Oregon.
Especially if it's even half as wet as the Nemegt might've been.

[coarse inlet]

It’s a bummer

[slim flare]

Nemegt had a crocodilian

[toxic oriole]

How long until an antarctic pterosaur ends up being discovered?

[reef relic]

Yup, specifically an alligatoroid, which are known to hibernate/brumate through freezing periods today.

[coarse inlet]

Climbers Expansion
Free Species:

• Thylacoleo carnifex

Habitat Species:

• Megaladapis edwardsi
• Deinonychus antirrhopus
• Gigantopithecus blacki
• Dinopithecus ingens
• Pseudaelurus quadridentatus
• Diplobune minor/secondaria
• Megalocnus rodens
• Archaeoindris fontoynontii

Vivarium Species:

• Apidium phiomense
• Suminia getmanovi
• Manidens condorensis
• Drepanosaurus unguicaudatus

[reef relic]

I tried not to double-dip on formations 😭

[shy vale]

longisquama and mirasaura should be added too

[reef relic]

Thylacoleo my beloved

[coarse inlet]

Negative seven years

[coarse inlet]

I only got so much room

[fiery crow]

Diplobune is so weird

[slim flare]

But not anywhere it’s 40-50 F year round

[fiery crow]

I love that horse-monkey hybrid freak so much

[toxic oriole]

Gliders Expansion
Were there any animals that were planned to be in the game that would've been gliders?

Yeah I had an idea

Gliders expansion or something

[shy vale]

there's already yi

[coarse inlet]

Most gliders are tiny

Nowhere near enough big ones

[slim flare]

And isn’t Djadochta a fucking desert?

[fiery crow]

Xianglong is tiny
so is Volatico

[coarse inlet]

Yes, a cold desert

[slim flare]

Really?

[toxic oriole]

The largest mesozoic gliding mammal would be something though

[coarse inlet]

Yeah

[reef relic]

There are lots and lots of places where that's the median temperature. I could cheat and say the poles but really, places like southern Tasmania, most of Russia, northern Mongolia, and pretty much any area sitting at a high elevation.

[toxic oriole]

even if it'd not be a free roamer

[shy vale]

what about coelurosauravus?

[fiery crow]

Acratocnus as an alt genus for Megalocnus? maybe?

[plush nacelle]

I really like how some studies use crocodiles to determine temperatures ngl

[slim flare]

Says who?

[shy vale]

or kuehneosaurus?

[reef relic]

Oh yeah, cold deserts are wild. Even in direct sunlight, you've got a pretty low median temperature. That's why you see animals like Bactrian camels with these big thick furry pelts.

[shy vale]

actually kuehneosuchus might be a better option

[toxic oriole]

I just remembered the boreal peafowl

Forgot its name

[shy vale]

wait didn't camels actually first evolve in the arctic?

[toxic oriole]

But its a peafowl in a boreal environment, extinct one

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as in the ancestor of the modern camels

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I also really wanted to put Imperobator on there, but given it's apparent unwillingness to pick a taxonomic family and stay in it I decided against.

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paracamelus, that was the one

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I don't know actually, I thought camelids got their start in North America.

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well yeah but i mean the direct ancestor of the extant camels

i think there was a fossil in ellesmere island

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What I found compared it to Morocco and the Arabian peninsula

Based on soil samples

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https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

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It’s not bait, I just want a source

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I'm just messing with ya

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I have not seen evidence Djadokhta Formation is a cold desert

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/S-Naugolnykh/publication/313543951_Upper_Cretaceous_paleosols_of_the_Bain-Dzak_section_southern_Mongolia/links/5c1621f8299bf139c75c274c/Upper-Cretaceous-paleosols-of-the-Bain-Dzak-section-southern-Mongolia.pdf?origin=publication_detail&_tp=eyJjb250ZXh0Ijp7ImZpcnN0UGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uIiwicGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uRG93bmxvYWQiLCJwcmV2aW91c1BhZ2UiOiJwdWJsaWNhdGlvbiJ9fQ

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Nemegt formation is the one I pulled Therizinosaurus from, not Djadokhta, but given they're contemporaries they likely had similar climates.

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Just make nemegt pack. Theri, preno, saurolophus, tarchia, nemegt + ophisto alt, avimimus and then 2 random bs for vivarium

Turtle, bird or something

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Hence why I somewhat doubt Nemegt being so cold

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The Princeton Field Guide 3rd Edition briefly talks about it, but as for online sources I've got this one; https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2020PPP...53709190O/abstract

That's quite a bit of text to chew through, pun not intended.

Also, Your Dinosaurs Are Wrong has a brief aside about the climate of the Nemegt too. I've timestamped the video to what I think is the right area.
https://youtu.be/Kye28-iEHpo?t=1691

Anyhow this has veered waaaay off-topic, but if you wanna continue tag me in #science-chat

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Nemegtemys and Buginbataar

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Grab that little hesperornid and throw it in their too