Community Species Suggestions

[vital grove]

big enough

[fiery crow]

Maevarano Formation is worthy of its own DLC

[slim flare]

Everything bigger than a thumbtack is worthy of its own DLC, but it’s not happening

We should be more realistic

[vital grove]

we are getting a paid dlc with quagga aurochs and equus and giant fossa is less spectacular than the thylachine?

[slim flare]

Also, I guess we can apply this template to the only other DLC ever mentioned: Palaeozoic

[low bridge]

We shall Pray for Messel Pit, Agate Springs,White River Formations stuff

[slim flare]

Yes?

[fiery crow]

Morrison Formation DLC?

[coarse inlet]

I’d say a bigger DLC is entirely reasonable to hope for

[vital grove]

its bigger...

[slim flare]

And?

[coarse inlet]

Something like 6/4 or 8/2 is entirely realistic

[slim flare]

Thylacine is a thousand times more well known than the giant fossa, both scientifically and popularly

We’re not even sure if the giant fossa is an older subspecies of fossa, or a unique species

[left spear]

Giant fossa also has a real if small chance of being a Lazarus taxon so

[vital grove]

it seems like you seem to think the fossa is carrying the dlc though

[slim flare]

Maybe for the mythical aerial/aquatic expansions

[slim flare]

What?

[vital grove]

with archaoindris and voay also in there

[slim flare]

What are you talking about?

[vital grove]

you mentioned it specifically and its size

[low bridge]

ELEPHANT BIRD

[vital grove]

that to

[slim flare]

Only because it’s the smallest

[vital grove]

no babboon lemur would be

[slim flare]

Oh, I guess, idk what that even is

[vital grove]

basically what it says

not exactly

but it deserves the name

sorry

monkey lemur

overall i think we should take thylacine as smallest exhibit mammal so it fits

[slim flare]

Monkey lemur is way bigger than the giant fossa

Body mass estimates for C. spelea range from 17 kg (37 lb) to 20 kg (44 lb)

Hadropithecus stenognathus has been estimated to have weighed between 27 and 35 kg (60 and 77 lb)

[vital grove]

yeah hadro is massive i remembered archaeolemur which is 18-28

still bigger but not that much but damn i didnt know hadro was that huge

[slim flare]

Hadropithecus stenognathus has been estimated to have weighed between 27 and 35 kg (60 and 77 lb) and to have been roughly as large as Archaeolemur, although more gracile.

Sounds like Archaeolemur is even heavier

[vital grove]

on archaeolemur it said 18-28kg so idk

also theres even larger lemurs but those are fully arboreal

look up sloth lemurs

also megaladapis

[outer crater]

They might just do one skin

[vital grove]

but those should be fine in vivs

[slim flare]

Great auk as habitat would be insane

[vital grove]

genuinely the best option for auk specifically

[slim flare]

I’d love it, but it’s hard to believe

[vital grove]

the list starts on auk and ends with 2 viv species

[slim flare]

I know

[vital grove]

i think its happening

[outer crater]

Great auk can work like penguins in planet zoo

[vital grove]

i genuinely think they are quietely working on simple diving

[coarse inlet]

It’s very possible

[slim flare]

Maybe

[vital grove]

starting work on it with deino makes so much sense and then auk in the 1st dlc

[slim flare]

It’d just be the smallest habitat animal by a lot

[vital grove]

i think with walking birds specifically we shouldnt look at weight but height

also its a coastal bird from northern regions it wont realistically have much grass in its enclosure

[vital grove]

if we do this anything taller than laelly is okay

which auk is

and ornimegalonyx to its 1.1 meters tall thats enough

and so is dodo

[slim flare]

Seasonal skins

The one we’re most familiar with is the breeding pattern

[vital grove]

not a bad idea at all

[frosty heron]

ooh

[fresh ember]

That works.

[vital grove]

if we get exhibit auk though this means obdurodon is exhibit to? what would be the size limit for a more flat aquatic thing

because on sand they are always visible

[fiery crow]

Obdurodon is Tik-sized

it would probably work as a viv

[vital grove]

yes but waaaaay more active and a mammal

[silver steeple]

1 dlc having a certain layout does not make it a template lol

[vital grove]

it feels wrong....

[silver steeple]

Not even

It's like 1/2 tik sized

Tik is 2m

[slim flare]

It makes it the only known valid configuration lol

[vital grove]

still to big for an active animal though i feel like

[silver steeple]

Sure

But that doesn't mean you should assume all other dlcs will follow

[silver steeple]

It's the size of like mononykus

[vital grove]

if the first sells a lot maybe another will be bigger or we will get a large viv dlc

[silver steeple]

If not smaller

[silver steeple]

We can say maybes til the cows come home

[slim flare]

I don’t, but it’s what I believe future DLC suggestions should be structured around

[silver steeple]

Doesn't really mean anything

[silver steeple]

Extremely arbitrary

[vital grove]

basically

[slim flare]

It’s not

[silver steeple]

It is

Trying to say "You can only use this" when said thing is the only of its kind means practically nothing

[slim flare]

I disagree

[vital grove]

you must take into account other factors like equus and bos are new rigs but after that the cow model is easy to re use again for example

[slim flare]

Uh

[vital grove]

so suggesting a new ceratopsian does not equal suggesting something that needs an entirely new model

[silver steeple]

That's a good thing to note, almost everything here is a unique rig/animation set

[vital grove]

is what i mean

[slim flare]

I mean, maybe?

The RE appears to be a ton of new rigs, except probably the ungulates

Idk if the thylacine can use the cats

But probably

Dodo, auk and moa presumably are new, moa may use some existing theropod

[vital grove]

i think moa is new but aepyornis would be built from the same model

if we ever get it

[slim flare]

Probably, although their posture is very distinct

[fresh ember]

And unlike moas, elephant birds still had wings. Not sure how much that would affect the model, but still something I figure would be worth keeping in mind.

[vital grove]

just look at any game that has skins that change models a lot it can work and im sure they have re used models before

[slim flare]

But I don’t believe a DLC that only reuses rigs would necessarily have more species

[vital grove]

that we cannot answer until we get one

but if we go by 10 per dlc then would 12 be okay for my remaining viv dlcs

as no growth stages and skins are required

[slim flare]

Isn’t it 8?

[vital grove]

i saw someone say 8 and 2 vivs i dont remember

[slim flare]

6 exhibit, 2 vivarium

I agree a vivarium-only DLC would have more species

[vital grove]

when they got added we got 13? so yeah 10-12 seems reasonable to me

i do love that the devs arent going the jwe route, adding stuff like the quagga that while notorious and well known isnt that special when you think about it

[slim flare]

I’m especially delighted by the wild horse

I just hope I like the skins

[vital grove]

yeah cant wait to make a european enclosure with tarpan and aurochs included

[vital grove]

we know what both tarpan and aurochs looked like

[slim flare]

Please don’t use the term tarpan

It’s meaningless and confusing

[fresh ember]

And for all we know, we're probably getting true wild horses and not that.

[vital grove]

while a very controversial breed the heck cattle was bred to resemble the aurochs and we know the colours so this but bigger is roughly what wed be at

[left spear]

Chickenosaurus

[slim flare]

I hope they do the other subspecies of aurochs too

[vital grove]

its a vernacular for the extinct wild horse so it doesnt really matter

[left spear]

Sure it superficially looks like one but it's still domestic cattle

[vital grove]

i just use it as similar depiction

i know its not the same

but fun fact my country has a nature reserve with heck cattle and european bison

[slim flare]

It really does matter because there’s debate about what the term “tarpan” was applied to; wild horse or feral horse, or both, or a mix

Wild horse is far more neutral and accepted

[vital grove]

wild horse then, anyway i wouldnt expect the skins to be to crazy

[vital grove]

indian would be really cool

[slim flare]

I would hope for a grullo and bay dun skin, both with striping

[vital grove]

i think its probably just going to be 3 simple colours brown beige and maybe like prezwalskis

quagga is the striped one in the pack

[slim flare]

But wild horses have stripes

And it’d separate it more from Przewalski’s

[cosmic cosmos]

I ❤️ auk

auk is love

[plush nacelle]

I agree with Satan regarding DLC size expectations

[cosmic cosmos]

auk is life

[quartz estuary]

wild horse may have stripes in its legs tho

[vital grove]

The colour was described as faint brown or yellowish brown with eel stripe and leg stripes, or wholly black legs. The flanks and shoulders were spotted, some of them tended to an ashy colour. They dwelled in rocky habitats and showed intelligent and fierce behaviour

so striped legs and a line on its spine

not like a zebra

[slim flare]

I would not look at historic descriptions at all

[plush nacelle]

Also regarding great auk

[polar tinsel]

What about white spotted skins, like from cave arf

[vital grove]

sounds more like a fjord horse

[plush nacelle]

I can safely say repenomamus is exhibit animal now

[polar tinsel]

Art

[slim flare]

Only genetics from the early Holocene and Pleistocene

And cave art

[cosmic cosmos]

shes called great for a reason ❤️

[slim flare]

Not exactly like a zebra, but some were heavily striped. Most were more like this

[vital grove]

i dont think they would exactly have zebra or quagga stripes id love to see a source for that

[plush nacelle]

Repenomamus killing baby dinosaurs dream is alive

[vital grove]

yeah a bit like a fjord horse

or a wild ass

[cosmic cosmos]

im going to sacrifice humans to the auks and thylacines in my parks

[cosmic cosmos]

W human casualties update

[polar tinsel]

Some half Striped and spotted skins

[slim flare]

Tbf, the last one may not be legitimately spotted

[vital grove]

half triped is good just on the legs and a line down the back i thought he meant a full on zebra

[polar tinsel]

How so

[slim flare]

The spots extend outside the border of the horse

And sometimes spots mean things in Palaeolithic art

[polar tinsel]

I see

[vital grove]

although we do have modern spotted horses so its not out of the question some would have this feature

[slim flare]

We have spotted bison, for example, which (almost) certainly didn’t exist

[slim flare]

Genetically there’s evidence it existed, yes

[vital grove]

a pied skin again could also work for horses as its a real mutation

[slim flare]

That’s a domestic mutation tho

[vital grove]

sort of

yes

we kept breeding it

[tired sleet]

Cool

[vital grove]

but these mutations show up in basically any wild mammal bird or reptile from time to time to

so as a speculative skin it works

[slim flare]

A leopard complex mutation effect for horses would be cool

But I don’t want an entire skin for it

[amber field]

They were around for about 60 million years , which they had big range

[vital grove]

and pied is usually the 1 that has little effect together with melanism on the animals survival chance

[slim flare]

I think it should be slightly striped bay dun, more heavily striped grullo

Otherwise identically in form. Erect mane, big head, all the wild horse features

[vital grove]

id say 1 basic brown that can go from shade beige to darker brown then 1 leg striped one and a dotted or pied could work nicely

[amber field]

Hmm , the went extinct about 1000 year ago , I think this can be considered relatively recent?

[slim flare]

?

[plush nacelle]

Which horse skin should be fuzzy

Brown or grey one

[slim flare]

They’re not coming in the RE DLC

[slim flare]

Bay dun, but does one need to be fuzzy?

[plush nacelle]

I mean, when you consider some people would like to use it in cold climate setting

[slim flare]

I guess, but it’d be weird in La Brea or Pampas

[plush nacelle]

Something like this

[amber field]

How much is considered recent 600 years ago at most ?

[slim flare]

Idk

[plush nacelle]

Damn u quagga

[slim flare]

Why does it matter?

[plush nacelle]

3 skins not enough

[slim flare]

I’d prefer grullo and bay dun just have modest fur

[amber field]

I mean the probably need temporal range to know who they will add in RE extinct dlc

[slim flare]

Are you aware we have the RE pack species list now?

[vital grove]

holocene?

[amber field]

Yeah

[vital grove]

but holocene would mean others to

so no

[amber field]

No

[slim flare]

My point is I want the giant elephant bird even if it’s not in the RE DLC

Madagascar DLC is probably the best bet now

[vital grove]

they must have some plan for madagascar

[amber field]

Yeah I don't think we will get any of the gaint lemurs too

[polar tinsel]

They can also easily fit in any generic Pleistocene/Ice Age DLC

[vital grove]

cant do madagascar without archaeoindris

[slim flare]

True

Pleistocene DLC would go hard

[plush nacelle]

I am not sure whether elephant bird is making in when we are making such broad themes as whole ice age tbh

I mean maybe, but it depends on other animals

[quartz estuary]

I have a question about the Panthera Leo Europaea. There might be nothing niche about this species (since some claims say that it's a subspecies of the cave lion or the Asiatic lion). It's an extinct European lion species that went extinct in the Roman era.

I feel like it there's nothing special about it

[vital grove]

2 panthera are more than enough tbh

[polar tinsel]

Isn't Euroepan Lion Pathera Leo Leo?

As in living Northern Lion species?

[amber field]

And this bad boy

[vital grove]

thats why i said madagascar could be 2 dlcs

also voay could just re use deino by then

[quartz estuary]

not really tho. Panthera Leo Leo is an African one

[amber field]

Yeah , any we need some mesozoic one like dwarf sauropods

[polar tinsel]

And Asian, but that's what I was asking, wasn't European lion just P.L.Leo that lived in Europe?

[vital grove]

if we get more sauropods some more early ones would be nice as for sauropodomorpha eoraptor would be amazing

[slim flare]

It’s probably not even valid tbh

[amber field]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javan_tiger what do you think about this 🤔

[plush nacelle]

Add

All tigers

[cosmic cosmos]

noooo

[slim flare]

The only other Panthera I’d ever want is Panthera onca mesembrina

It’ll never come but oh well

[amber field]

Isn't good representation?

[vital grove]

while panthere is a diverse genus i dont think we need almost exact copies of modern species, especially when they dont even have size to back them up

[cosmic cosmos]

game doesnt need more cats, and if it did get more id want homotherium

[slim flare]

Homotherium is definitely peaked third cat material

[vital grove]

nimravids though hehe

[fresh ember]

Miracinonyx.

[amber field]

The first one is understandable , but I don't think size make good or no

[vital grove]

well we do have ursus spelea

which i just think is a base model for future arctodus and arctotherium in dlc ngl

[fresh ember]

Cave bears are an iconic species, as are the lions.

[vital grove]

thats also a factor

same with the wild horse

or aurochs

but a smaller tiger? with 2 panthera already

[slim flare]

Peak fourth and final cat material

[vital grove]

just feels like wasted space

[amber field]

We need dogs actually

[vital grove]

this i would say is possible as its very different and closer to small cats ig

[vital grove]

direwolf and epicyon

also falklands wolf

[slim flare]

Dire wolf needs to be base game

[plush nacelle]

Why

[slim flare]

Warrah is probably not coming considering it’s not in the RE DLC

[vital grove]

keeping my hopes up

[slim flare]

Although it would have been cool

[short rover]

It’s an iconic prehistoric creature. “Need” is probably a strong word but imo it really should be base game

[slim flare]

Because it’s super popular and there’s nothing else like it in game?

[plush nacelle]

So is

Dodo!

[slim flare]

Dodo is recently extinct tho

[vital grove]

but its to notorious to be dlc tbf

[plush nacelle]

I am sure, if not RE being confirmed for long time no one would think about dodo as DLC material

[vital grove]

man i wish they had less focus on dinos but they probably have to to even compete with jwe

[slim flare]

I agree, but the devs have made up their mind for 8 years now

[plush nacelle]

Wouldnt be surprised, if dire wolf is going to be in your average ice age DLC, america pack or something

[vital grove]

the recently extinct dlc feels like a breath of fresh air

[slim flare]

Would suck, but yeah

[vital grove]

or warrah in south america for that matter

[slim flare]

Dimetrodon is coming base game

[amber field]

Japanese wolf, Maybe? But all those are sub species

[vital grove]

really

[slim flare]

Never going to happen

[vital grove]

idk since i can think of 3 true dogs that are well known this or the american what was it called black wolf might not be to strange

[shy vale]

you from poland?

[vital grove]

netherlands, theres only 3 bison there haha. but its a very controversial nature reserve as its fenced off and has 0 natural predators so they breed to much and starve during winter

[shy vale]

i see...

are you sure there's 2 vivarium species in the dlc?

[slim flare]

Pretty sure

[shy vale]

how did you unblur it?

[vital grove]

and people in my country would rather go out their way to kill a wolf than release one anywhere

[plush nacelle]

Now seeing it, this is really PZ animal pack type DLC

[shy vale]

also does this mean that quagga and wild horse are alts?

[slim flare]

Yes

[slim flare]

It’s not unblurred, someone judt wrote over it

[shy vale]

oh i see

but i do feel that people are right that one of the species is bos

[slim flare]

I mean, the text matches in exact length for everything

[plush nacelle]

With how small exhibit animals can get

Cretaceous China DLC would rock

[shy vale]

why carolina parakeet?

that seems to be a bit of a niche choice...

[slim flare]

It’s not if you live in America

[plush nacelle]

This parrot one of the most popular RE animals honestly

[coarse inlet]

I’m meh on the parakeet tbh

[slim flare]

Also it’s very pretty, and most Northern parrot species

[plush nacelle]

Honestly, way better than pigeon to me

[coarse inlet]

Not mad but not huge to me

[slim flare]

I love them both

[shy vale]

nah, passenger pigeon is one of the most famous recently extinct animals

like the whole "there used to be so many"

[coarse inlet]

I think they shoulda chosen either pigeon or parakeet and used the other slot for more island fauna

[vital grove]

its probably one of the saddest if not single saddest case of extinction

[shy vale]

sylviornis could've been cool

[vital grove]

once unrivaled on its continent and now just gone

[shy vale]

especially as it could've been potentially the closest relative of gastornis or something like that

[cosmic cosmos]

lowk a swarm of rocky mountain locust would be kinda cool as a viv

[slim flare]

I’m cool with the list as-is, but there’s some I hope still come later

Elephant bird being the biggest

[vital grove]

i hope they go from 9 species to 10 and add indian aurochs

i feel elephant bird has another purpose in their minds already

[slim flare]

Indian aurochs would be an alt, so it may come

[vital grove]

like its the biggest bird not adding it in RE almost confirms the idea of a madagascar dlc

[cosmic cosmos]

bit old for re, no?

[coarse inlet]

I feel like future dlcs could work as like, 6 new genera, 2 new vivariums, and 2 alt species for either new or returning genera

[vital grove]

yeah and it seems fair

[coarse inlet]

Though I think it also depends if it’s a dlc pack or a full on expansion

[vital grove]

the devs seem to like to hide things so i wouldnt be suprised if they just hid an alt

to reveal later

[shy vale]

is ~800 bc too old?

[coarse inlet]

I’d expect expansions to have more like 8-10 genera

[coarse inlet]

No, not really

[vital grove]

like aquatic?

[coarse inlet]

Yeah

[shy vale]

or specific formations?

this is definitely bigger than in some other games...

[vital grove]

for a animal pack its good but a giant update isnt needed ig

maybe a new biome i suppose

[shy vale]

seems to be like 9 animals?

[coarse inlet]

I’d say it depends on what else is being added

[vital grove]

i think 9 is what they tell us now but we will also get an aurochs alt

[coarse inlet]

Flying and swimming are the most obvious expansions

[cosmic cosmos]

i would love an alt dlc

[short rover]

I doubt well ever get a new biome besides maybe a “marine” biome

[plush nacelle]

I expect aurochs to be more like mammoth

So no alt per say, but each skin is different subspecies

[shy vale]

i am wondering why there was no columbian mammoth alt for the wooly mammoth

[coarse inlet]

But you could have others that add more mechanics and such

[shy vale]

or even a steppe mammoth alt

[vital grove]

doesnt make sense with biomes

with the mammoth it does but aurochs not really

we have 3 subspecies european indian and north african

[plush nacelle]

Wouldnt each skin simply have temperate, grasslands and maybe shrubland anyway?

[vital grove]

indian cows famously do not handle cold well

[coarse inlet]

For example a climate themed expansion with a temperature system and species that are adapted for extreme climates

[vital grove]

and european ones dont like heat

[vital grove]

i feel like its to much effort if you can just slightly edit things and call it a different spp

[coarse inlet]

Huh?

[vital grove]

adding different biomes for skins rather than just making it an alt spp

it seems like more effort not less

[coarse inlet]

I didn’t say anything about that?

[cosmic cosmos]

this would be a great excuse for a bunch of neat reptiles

[coarse inlet]

Are you replying to the right comment?

[lean hound]

Alt slop isn't a term I thought I'd ever hear

[vital grove]

sorry i meant this one haha

[vital grove]

spp means subspecies

[lean hound]

Misread it lmao

[vital grove]

no the chat went a little fast

[plush nacelle]

Interesting there is no moa alt, but I guess it probably doesnt make sense when you look closely at every one of them

[vital grove]

are there known colours or anything?

i do feel thats what works so nicely with alts in this pack that with the horses for example we roughly know the colours so the alts feel more like a seperate species in planet zoo than an alt normally does

[plush nacelle]

Not sure about colour, but in upland moa case i think we know about feathered legs

[vital grove]

i mean if we can have one with this and the giant one without ig an alt is reasonable

[plush nacelle]

But again maybe these are not so similar when you examine them closely

Maybe body proportions, posture, movement is really different

After all there are 3 families

[vital grove]

sometimes i genuinely want to ask the devs a few questions about this kind of stuff

like how much do you guys re use models or what is the smallest possible viv size

[cosmic cosmos]

recently extinct species that i would like to see come to the game (assumes fliers/aquatics)

Terrestrial/semi-aquatic
Aepyornis (elephant bird)
Hanyusuchus (chinese gharial)
Pezophaps (rodrigues solitaire)
Cylindraspis (rodrigues/mauritus giant tortoise)

Aquatic
Lipotes (baiji)
Psephurus (chinese paddlefish)
Hydrodamalis (stellars sea cow)

Flying
Hieraaetus (haasts eagle)

Vivarium
Phelsuma (rodrigues giant day gecko)
Leiolopisma (mauritian giant skink)
Camptorhynchus (labrador duck)
Campephilus principalis (ivory billed woodpecker)

feel free to add onto the list

[cosmic cosmos]

im also curious

[vital grove]

huh why not t, frangens for skink

[coarse inlet]

I was thinking
Warm: Paleocene fauna, cenomanian fauna, Triassic fauna
Cold: Pleistocene fauna

[cosmic cosmos]

not re

[vital grove]

yeah i just checked but its a little to old

still pretty recent all things considered

[cosmic cosmos]

would fit better in an ice age australia pack

[vital grove]

or just a reptile viv dlc like i suggested before

[coarse inlet]

A really unlikely expansion idea would be an arboreal expansion with modular climbing pieces like in PZ

[vital grove]

australia would be amazing though

[vital grove]

but it could be worth it although there wouldnt be many worthwile species after the initial expansion

would be quite mammal focused though

[coarse inlet]

Ok but hear me out: Deinonychus

Climbing dromaeosaurs would rule

[vital grove]

this for example

[coarse inlet]

Yeah Diplobune would rule

[vital grove]

its to big for a viv

[coarse inlet]

Also Thylacoleo

[coarse inlet]

D. minor would work

[vital grove]

i dont think its arboreal is it

[coarse inlet]

Yeah it was a climber

Not 100% arboreal but similar to a puma I think

[plush nacelle]

Prolly like tasmanian devil

[vital grove]

ah but by then a black bear is arboreal to

[plush nacelle]

It can climb, maybe a bit better at it

[vital grove]

yeah but it wouldnt have to be in a climber dlc

not as much as certain primates or diplobune

[coarse inlet]

But it’d be better if it was

It doesn’t need to be something that’s entirely arboreal just something that’d make good use of a climbing system

[cosmic cosmos]

i wonder how the devs will handle marsupial reproduction

[plush nacelle]

Just like other mammals

I recall mau said it already

[digital pendant]

marsupial reproduction is not really that different, is just got extra steps

eventually the baby is big enough to be around outside the pouch

[vital grove]

ig if they dont animate babies in pouches we would just get adolescents with longer gestation before this

[cosmic cosmos]

im morso wondering if there will be a point where the baby can go between pouch and wandering freely

[vital grove]

maybe a mod is the closest ill get to asking this do you have any clue what the minumum size to viv animals is lets use gigatitan at 25cm and 40cm wingspan as example

[coarse inlet]

So like, for a climber expansion you could have
Diplobune
Deinonychus
Thylacoleo
Megaladapis
Giant Fossa
Gigantopithecus

What else?

[vital grove]

a sloth lemur

they are like 50kg to

and have really long limbs

[fiery crow]

Dinopithecus

[vital grove]

and yes they are very different from monkey lemurs and megaladapis

[vital grove]

i forgot the scientific name but giant gelada alternate genus?

[coarse inlet]

Theropithecus are the gelada

[fiery crow]

Acratocnus

[vital grove]

ah yeah but it wasnt in your list

[coarse inlet]

Megalocnus would also be good

[vital grove]

but i think it can be an alternate genus to dinopithecus

[coarse inlet]

Yeah I was just saying what the genus was since you asked

[charred cobalt]

the crocodile mimic (aka spino without sail)

[coarse inlet]

Not sure that can climb

[vital grove]

i wish we had larger climbing synapsids all i can think of is suminia

[peak hazel]

would not call it spino without a sail

[fiery crow]

I think Suminia is good enough

[coarse inlet]

Varanopids if they are synapsids

[vital grove]

for viv its perfect

[peak hazel]

but I would like Suchomimus eventually

[coarse inlet]

They’re a bit bigger than Suminia but not by much

[vital grove]

but if we are talking a full on climbing mechanic dlc suminia could be a viv extra for being a very unique animal

ig this would cost more like 20-30 euros than 10-15 which i expect for an animal pack

so a few viv animals that fit the theme seem reasonable although keeping it at 2 seems smart if we include a lot of new rigs

how about suminia and drepanosaurus as viv animals for a large climbing dlc

[slim flare]

*Ice Age squirrel

[shy vale]

isn't that the extant variegated squirrel?

[plush nacelle]

Yes, but the joke is they didnt even name it

[slim flare]

Well, they named it Ice Age squirrel

[alpine thicket]

Scrat(accurate)

[slim flare]

Well, at least the Recently Extinct Pack will even out the Cenozoic a bit, and give us some real birds

[coarse inlet]

Cant wait to see moa and pigeon between Dilophosaurus and Gallimimus in the theropod tab

[shy vale]

also a marsupial

[slim flare]

True

Still need Pleistocene Australia Pack

[coarse inlet]

An Australia pack more broadly would be nice imo. Would probably be like 80% Pleistocene but a good place to put a few others

[shy vale]

that would have like the "big 5" (diprotodon, procoptodon, thylacoleo, varanus priscus ["megalania"], genyornis), palorchestes, wonambi (would that be vivarium like titanoboa?), meiolania, quinkana

[coarse inlet]

I’d personally like Dromornis

[shy vale]

assuming that dlc would have like 9-10 animals

[low bridge]

Is Discokeryx worth to be added to Prehistoric Kingdom??

[shy vale]

and maybe the 10th animal would be dynatoaetus

that would make a good pleistocene australia pack, i would argue

the "big 5"+5 other notable animals

[slim flare]

Eh, I don’t see the need. Base game already has Mutta and Leaelly, so it’d just be scraps then. I think the 6 exhibit spots are needed for Pleistocene to do it right.

Thylacoleo
Diprotodon
Procoptodon
Genyornis
Meiolania
Megalania

[low bridge]

Do we deserve to have bunch of Prehistoric Camels in Prehistoric Kingdom???

Poebrotherium, Stenomylus, Camelops, Aepycamelus, Titanotylopus?

[shy vale]

what about paracamelus?

but definitely camelops

[slim flare]

Titanotylopus + Camelops is my top vote for Camelid

[low bridge]

YES YES YES YES

[shy vale]

especially have that in a polar setting

[low bridge]

Smaller sized camels like Stenomylus and Poebrotherium would be Neat for Agate Springs and White River Rep

[coarse inlet]

I meant from the Cenozoic in general. If it was 8, I’d say
Procoptodon goliah
Thylacoleo carnifex
Diprotodon optatum
Meiolania brevicollis/platyceps
Dromornis stirtoni/australis/Genyornis newtoni
Varanus priscus
Microleo attenboroughi
Mekosuchus whitehunterensis

I really want Miocene camels

[low bridge]

Aepycamelus is sick

[slim flare]

I’d prefer Genyornis because Late Pleistocene so it’ll be found with the rest

Our only chance at getting digsite bonuses on a mixed mammal-bird exhibit

[coarse inlet]

That’s why I put it as an alt but if I had to choose one Dromornis is way cooler and more iconic

[slim flare]

They can’t be alts

Their heads are completely different

[coarse inlet]

Fair

I thought it was a bit of a stretch

But I still would want Dromornis

[low bridge]

Do U Dudes think that Megacerops, Glyptodon, Prolibytherium, Embolotherium would be Peak in game

[slim flare]

Maybe separate

It doesn’t fit the rest really

[coarse inlet]

It does if you include the vivarium stuff

[slim flare]

But exhibit bonuses…

Like imagine Genyornis alongside Diprotodon

[coarse inlet]

I get you

I just think Dromornis’s unique appearance and huge size make it more appealing

[slim flare]

If they were cool, they’d release Dromornis as the free base species alongside the DLC

[coarse inlet]

Oh that’s a fun idea

[slim flare]

But judging by the RE Pack, that doesn’t seem to be something they’re doing

Unless it’s like… the bluebuck

[shy vale]

they're releasing 1 free species with 9 dlc?

[slim flare]

What?

[plush nacelle]

I guess free DLC species are gonna be like in PZ, where it is something relatively simple like ornithomimus

No new rig or animations required

[slim flare]

Shit, was that the theme of the post-EA list?

[plush nacelle]

Yup

[slim flare]

You might be right…

I guess if the roadmap is correct, PK will cover nearly every rig needed

[plush nacelle]

Outside therizinosaurus of course, but that one is probably nothronychus coded

[slim flare]

God we need Therizinosaurus

[coarse inlet]

No really

[slim flare]

No, really

or

Not really

[coarse inlet]

Not really

[slim flare]

I blame Sag

Can someone post it?

[coarse inlet]

Therizinosaurus, Daeodon, Amphicyon, Chalicotherium

[slim flare]

Chalicotherium from Megatherium?

[coarse inlet]

Ehhhh

[slim flare]

Amphicyon is obviously the Carnivoran rig

Therizinosaurus I agree

[coarse inlet]

Sure but it’s proportions are super distinct

[slim flare]

Daeodon… idk

[plush nacelle]

The more unique species were obviously from old EA list, not sure how to count them tbh

[coarse inlet]

So it’d need to be adjusted a lot

[plush nacelle]

Like daeodon

[coarse inlet]

Chalicotherium

[slim flare]

Daeodon can just use the ungulate rig, no?

[coarse inlet]

For a big headed bitey thing?

Even with the same rig it’d need a lot of new animations

[slim flare]

Well, duh

[plush nacelle]

Amphicyon I think would use either bear or hyeanodon rig

[slim flare]

But it has hooves so movement is similar

[coarse inlet]

So like I said, not really a “no new rigs or animations” list

[slim flare]

Ah

[coarse inlet]

I think it’s just “these feel like the basic stuff to add”

[slim flare]

Well, also with “this would be easy”

For some, or half of them

[coarse inlet]

Most of them aren’t completely different but they aren’t just easy additions either

[plush nacelle]

Obviously there is also thing devs would like to put most popular animals in DLCs to boost sales

Wonder where it goes

Free animal alongside RE pack

Maybe bison, cause cow rig will be in making anyway

[flint sable]

they didnt like verticality btw

winter coat, summer coat, made up coat

[flint sable]

they notorously basically only nested on small isolated islands with very gentle sloped beaches

the reason cliffs are often associated is because the last island they inhabited, Eldey, was relatively unfavourable habitat but they remaining 50 or so pairs had to "evacuate" so to speak from a different island nearby that was very isolated as it was surrounded by cliffs; but it got completely destroyed in a volcanic eruption

I do wonder what they will do for the thylacine, though

I hope with the aurochs they do skins with slight differences like horn shape and a hump so they can do the 3 subspecies even if they arent designated as such

[flint sable]

since we know it's coloration very very conclusively

and its pretty much all within individual variation of a skin

so alts would be very much nessecary

HOWEVER

notice how they specified thylacinus, not nessecarily thylacinus cynocephalus

same thing with dinornis actually

actually

not a single one of them specified species, actually, with the exception of the horses

so I would imagine that solving the skin problem with alts is probably in the cards

also I must say, I think i got surprisingly close

#1360542295228944414 message

Just for reffence, heres what I had that I got right

• format of 6 habitat 2 vivarium
• sign scenery pieces
• raphus
• thylacinus
• dinornis
• equus (with the alts)
• bos
• passenger pigeon

heres the major things I got incorrect

• dusicyon
• lack of carolina parakeet (I did technically mention it as an option but not as my main proposal)
• great auk as vivarium instead of habitat
• no scenery pieces other than signs

I think generally speaking though I just made fairly logical assumptions based on the previous pack as well as new knowledge that we learned, so I dont think anything here was particularly outrageous

I think overall though I got pretty close

thoughts?

[flint sable]

oh, also, just for funzies, here are some possible dig sites for the critters

[shy vale]

could there be 2 alts for the moa?

[flint sable]

Tuarangi Cave: Dinornis robustus

Mare aux Songes Swamp: Raphus culculattus

Thylacine Hole / Nullabor Plain: Thylacinus cynocephalus (could also house other australian critters like Thylacoleo in the future)

Funk Island: Pinguinis impennis

Cahokia Mounds: Ectopistes migratorius, Conuropsis carolinensis

Maasvlakte: Bos primigenius, Equus ferus

Nelson Bay Cave: Equus quagga quagga

La Brea Tar Pits: additional site for Equus ferus, additional site for Ectopistes migratorius

Tokod Formation: additional site for Equus ferus

[flint sable]

probably not

the genus specified is dinornis, and iirc its just two species

I would definitely like that tho

[flint sable]

I think all of these are pretty solid except Maasvlakte, I honestly just picked it because it had wild horses and Aurochs

also, if its in bold, its new

if its not, new formation just new content

also fuck I forgot quagga

hold on

honestly the quagga being essentially a different color morph of the burchell's zebra isnt doing it any favours

especially in the fossil record

[flint sable]

also this is bear minimum assuming we dont get any alts which honestly I dont think is likely

id say bare minimum probably at least one additional species alt within the genus

different genera as alts I dont think is particularly likely

[shy vale]

i meant that it would be like 1 alt

so maybe there would be 10 species, but it would be moa (2 species), thylacine, dodo, quagga (and tarpan as alt), great auk, passenger pigeon, carolina parakeet, auroch

[flint sable]

Alts within genera i meant

also the format of counting alts as seperate "slots" so to speak doesnt seem very intuitive

considering that the horses are listed as a single unit

[flint sable]

my honest guess

could be something like

[rigid spindle]

@vital grove finished t. frangens

[flint sable]

Penguinis alfrednewtonensis
Penguinis impennis

Thylacinus potens
Thylacinus cynocephalus

Dinornis robustus
Dinornis novaezealandiae

Equus quagga quagga
Equus ferus

Raphus culcalattus

Bos primigenius primigenius*
Bos primigenius namadicus*
Bos primigenius mauritanicus*

Ectopistes migratorius

Conuropsis carolinensis

in the case of Aurochs, they could easily just drop the subspecies denomination and instead just make skins that would take traits from the given subspecies

for example, an aurochs skin with a hump and upward twisting horns resembling the indian aurochs, or another with curved horns similar to the african aurochs

[vital grove]

the size looks great but it would likely have osteoderms on its sides and i thought this would be the one without stripes

[flint sable]

🔥

[rigid spindle]

So add more osteoderms and evicerate the stripes?

[vital grove]

yeah you can use blotches like the other subspecies but at this point to many have stripes and frangens is a good candidate for cryptic patterns and more green

especially since it lived in a more foresty enviroment

[rigid spindle]

Describe “cryptic patterns”

[rigid spindle]

K

[rigid spindle]

Ooooh that looks really cool

[flint sable]

snek

[vital grove]

yeah and it fits perfect with where t frangens is from

[rigid spindle]

I’ll fix it rn

[vital grove]

colour it green and certain osteoderms have different shades of green and it fits a forest enviroment perfectly

[rigid spindle]

-# gawd please no more scutes

On it

[vital grove]

yeah its a bit annoying in that regard lol

[rigid spindle]

Here’s where I’m at so far

Anything to change?

[rigid spindle]

@vital grove does this look better?

[vital grove]

yeah please base it of the mengsheng thoughsince harpalo will probably have stripes to

[rigid spindle]

What does mengsheng look like?

The Chinese town?

[silver steeple]

Passengers didn't live in California

[flint sable]

they did in the pleistocene iirc

[silver steeple]

They were never found west of the Rockies

[flint sable]

historically they were in the eastern half of north america, yes

[silver steeple]

Do you have a source?

Cause nothing I have ever looked at has indicated such

Oh huh just found it

I guess they were in La Brea

Doesn't seem like they were nearly as numerous in the west though

[flint sable]

definitely not

but if they were there may as well add them to the digsite

other than that, sound good?

[silver steeple]

I think unless they add subspecies designations in the DLC since quagga would probably use them, this would be how its done

[flint sable]

only thing would be a quagga one

[flint sable]

ye

or alts

[silver steeple]

Well I mean the ssp as alts

[flint sable]

since technically 3 out of the 6 habitat animals could hypothetically have alts and 1 additonal one could have subspecies alts

[flint sable]

within their genus, since genera are just mentioned

[flint sable]

here was a possible guess I made

[flint sable]

mostly since they solve the "skin problem" so to speak, especially with the great auk and thylacine

[silver steeple]

Yes I am aware

[flint sable]

oki

in that case, I would just add the irl formations where those guys were found

since the auk and thylacine are actual fossils rather than more recent bones

[silver steeple]

My point is that the animal names may have a subspecies "spot" within the bi(tri?)nomial that already exists within the nursery/paleopedia menu

Because you would need one for quagga regardless

[flint sable]

ohhhh i see

ok

[silver steeple]

So I think its entirely possible that the aurochs ssp would get the alt designation in the same way

But who knows

[flint sable]

perhaps

really could go either way honestly

quagga only needs the distinction per se since the species is still extant

whereas aurochs doesnt have this problem

[flint sable]

they could also totally get away with just doing the eurasian aurochs

and having different skin varieties

their known color patterns were relatively diverse

still think the 3 localities is the better option, though

[silver steeple]

I'd be surprised if they did tbh

[flint sable]

ye

oh also cool fun fact

the eurasian aurochs was also found in china

[silver steeple]

Seems like a major missed opportunity if they didn't go for all 3

[flint sable]

so they could add a digsite there if they wanted to

but not nessecary

[silver steeple]

Almost like its eurASIAN

[flint sable]

true

[silver steeple]

I'd be shocked if they even gave it a new digsite tbh

[flint sable]

prolly not

oh also I just realized

if you think about it

technically

they could

put quagga in the karoo formation

[silver steeple]

Lol

[flint sable]

I mean

why not

it would be funny

[silver steeple]

I assume they'll just put it in some south african pleistocene formation

[flint sable]

and there are quite literally 0 subfossil remains from quagga

[flint sable]

probably

[silver steeple]

No reason to believe they wouldn't just be there

[flint sable]

well

yeah

also if anything the quagga might have had a larger range in the pleistocene

since iirc the main reason it developed in the first place was because it was relatively cool enough so that biting flies were less of an issue

during the pleistocene, this would have applied even greater

[silver steeple]

Not impossible

[flint sable]

ok

may have found a good candidate

ill add it

relatively not glupshitto and had Equus quagga remains there

which is probably just quagga period given the locality at the very southern tip of south africa

there are even a few extinct species there like perlorovis albeit sp

and megalotragus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Bay_Cave#Animal_Remains

[slim flare]

Perlorovis is a junior synonym Bos and not from the Late Pleistocene, Syncerus antiquus is probably what they have

[flint sable]

ye

prolly

[slim flare]

(Which would be awesome)

[flint sable]

i was a bit confused by that also

[slim flare]

There’s probably bluebuck there… if there’s an African DLC or something

[silver steeple]

They mention having both

At least on the wiki link that was shared

[feral cedar]

I think Pelorovis is still a valid genus but the most popular species is now classified under Syncerus

[silver steeple]

It seems like the validity of lumping Pelorovis is, like many things, complex and contentious

[cosmic cosmos]

My ideal cenozoic Australia lineup

Exhibit
Varanus priscus
Dromornis australis/stirtoni/Genyornis newtoni
Diprotodon goliah
Procoptodon optatum
Thylocoleo carnifex
Meiolania brevicollis/platyceps/.sp (Wyandotte species)
Mekosuchus inexpectatus/whitehunterensis

Vivarium
Tiliqua frangens

mesozoic is pretty much done unless we get aquatics ngl

[fiery crow]

Mekosuchus would work SO MUCH BETTER as a vivie

[cosmic cosmos]

how?

[fiery crow]

give me a reason why it SHOULDN’T

[silver steeple]

Well they're like a meter long

[cosmic cosmos]

if auk and dodo are free roam meko can be as well

[flint sable]

I mean is that not comparable to simosuchus?

[cosmic cosmos]

so we can have multiple species?

[silver steeple]

Correct

[flint sable]

realistically mekosuchus would probably be a vivarium

[silver steeple]

That's the second problem

[fiery crow]

nobody here agrees with you

[flint sable]

it is also signifigantly less active than those two

[fiery crow]

you are objectively wrong here

[silver steeple]

Way too different

[flint sable]

I wouldnt complain if it was free roam, its just not realistic

[fiery crow]

thank you

[flint sable]

I mean

thats what you get when you lump an oligocene crocodile and holocene one that happen to be vaguely the same size

[fiery crow]

now is there anything you want to say PrinceVermillion

any apologies you might owe someone

[silver steeple]

Take it down a notch dude

[cosmic cosmos]

-agressive and obnoxious tone

-expects me to apologise

wow

[flint sable]

yeah thats not nessecary

[silver steeple]

Frankly just cause people agree with you doesn't mean the opposing person owes you shit lol

[silver steeple]

Pretty much yeah

[slim flare]

Yeah, but I think it’s wrong and probably based on when S. antiquus was Pelorovis

[silver steeple]

I don't really understand how these can be the same genus and no one has really "fixed" it yet

[fiery crow]

now Trilophosuchus would be another very nice vivie

though idk if it’s too similar to Meko

[silver steeple]

Several have questioned but none have done anything with it

[flint sable]

theres a lot of those

[silver steeple]

Sure

[flint sable]

also you have to prove it

[silver steeple]

And I ask the same question

[silver steeple]

I mean I can look at it and tell its wrong

[flint sable]

idk how scientific papers work but id imagine they are probably far from simple

[silver steeple]

Its not exactly hard to prove

[slim flare]

Considering the papers are from 1976 and 1980…

[cosmic cosmos]

at least in this case its not a varanus situation where it would be a revisionists nightmare

[flint sable]

varanus is probably not even that hard to fix

just elevated the
shudders
subgenera

to genera

[silver steeple]

Varanus doesn't need fixing

[fiery crow]

I still remember when Varanus priscus was called Megalania

[flint sable]

and then just upgrade varanus the genus to a tribe or subfamily Varanini or somenthing

[silver steeple]

They're all still very closely related

Some within are closer to each other, which is what the subgenus distinction is for

Same deal for Bison within Bos

[slim flare]

You remember 2004?

[fiery crow]

idk I was 2 at the time

[flint sable]

well bison within bos is paraphyletic whereas iirc none of the varanus subgenera are, but similar scenario

[flint sable]

https://tenor.com/view/echosmp-gif-4002184868323892862

im joking

[silver steeple]

Its not

[flint sable]

would it not be?

[silver steeple]

You're just demoting bison to subgenera

[fiery crow]

thanks, I already feel like I’m about to turn into dust

[flint sable]

yak is closer to the bison than to the other bos

[silver steeple]

All the bison sp group together

[cosmic cosmos]

all the varanus subgenre are monophyletic

[slim flare]

Wdym

[flint sable]

thought so yeah

[flint sable]

so either yak needs its own subgenus or needs to be inside of bison

[slim flare]

Oh I see what you mean. What he’s trying to say Bos would be paraphyletic if Bison was a separate genus

[silver steeple]

Bos (genus)
Bison (subgenus)
Bison/Bonasus (species)

[flint sable]

yes

youd need a minimum of 4 total subgenera

[slim flare]

Bison themselves aren’t paraphyletic though

[flint sable]

to make bison a subgenus

[cosmic cosmos]

some "species" need sorting out though, especially in odatria and euprepiosaurus

[silver steeple]

What

[slim flare]

*Three, at least for extant species

[flint sable]

cows / aurochs, yak, bison, and the 3 asian bovines

unless u put yak inside bison in which case you can do it in 3

[slim flare]

Yak could go within bison if you want

[silver steeple]

You don't need multiple subgenera to make one valid

[flint sable]

ok but it also makes very little logical sense

[silver steeple]

It really doesn't

[slim flare]

What’s even the argument anymore

[flint sable]

idk man

[silver steeple]

Idek

[fiery crow]

lost in the plot

[flint sable]

perhaps we should discuss more important matters

[fiery crow]

anyways

[flint sable]

#900435785084452924

[fiery crow]

Lazarussuchus for vivarium species am I right boys

[slim flare]

We all agree Bison is a subgenus and not separate from Bos? Then we’re good

[flint sable]

mayhaps

perchance

potentially

i surmise it could occur

[fiery crow]

are there any better choristoderes

[flint sable]

champsosaurus

[silver steeple]

For Vivs no

Otherwise yeah Champso

[flint sable]

yes

correct

[fiery crow]

Cteniogenys

and uhhh

Hyphalosaurus

[silver steeple]

I really don't see us getting more than one choristodere

And if we get one its gonna be champso

[flint sable]

homunculoid

[silver steeple]

Ahem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homunculus_(genus)

[flint sable]

not a homunculus, its a homunculoid

[flint sable]

two headed beastie

iirc the only known fossilized case of polycephaly

[silver steeple]

I don't believe its the only one but its definitely the most notable

[flint sable]

as far as I can find, it is

unless something has been discovered since 2007 which is a possibility

[silver steeple]

I could have sworn there was at least one other

[flint sable]

ik that polycephaly occurs much more frequently in reptiles and amphibians compared to birds and mammals, and it is listed as the only known fossil reptile of this occuring

ill check

[fiery crow]

Cronopio would be a nice vivie

we’d get Scrat

[flint sable]

ok yeah as far as I can see it is the only mentioned case

which isnt surprising considering how uncommon it is for this to occur, adding onto the incredibly rare chance of animals fossilizing in the first place

hell, hyphalosaurus is one of the most common tetrapods in the yixian formation

thousands of well preserved specimens

[outer crater]

Just realized that has a medieval painting artstyle

[flint sable]

like cheap enough there appear to be multiple on sale online for only 2-3k

and eggshell fragments for less than 20$

just to give you an idea of how relatively common it is

[fiery crow]

so our best chance is either Champso or Hyphalo

[flint sable]

maybe

idk

[silver steeple]

Ignore the fact that it's illegal to sell Chinese fossils

[silver steeple]

Not really a point in hyphalo imo

Champso as an exhibit animal kinda just covers it

The only reason people know Hyphalo is the polycephaly

There's like 5 other better minis from Yixian

[flint sable]

fair point

[silver steeple]

And champso is from HC so more opportunities to cohab/theme etc

[shy vale]

if vivarium species had alts (even though they don't), what do you think would be ones?

for existing vivarium, i would say:
-sinosauropteryx for compsognathus
-shuvuuia (at least) for mononykus
-maybe changyuraptor (or a yixian microraptorine) for microraptor

[primal gyro]

at the very least, like, water toggles (fresh vs salt) for water placement and vivariums
like, sure, it doesn't require fully aquatic species to be added, but marine water mechanics and such would be, and the devs definitely aren't planning that until post full launch (and that's fine of course)

[coarse inlet]

I disagree, it's an iconic part of the Yixian fauna

[opaque drift]

Some amphibious viv critters

Beelzebufo
Vancleavea
Castorocauda
Crassigyrinus
Hibbertopterus
Eusthenopteron
Cartorhynchus
Hyphalosaurus
Hovasaurus

[cosmic cosmos]

vancleavea and hibbert both can work as exhibit species if we get aquatics

[opaque drift]

I see

[opaque drift]

Tbh I think vivs fits better

[cosmic cosmos]

hyphalo also i suppose

[cosmic cosmos]

i dont like using vivs unless the animal wouldnt work outside of them

[opaque drift]

For example titanoboa are quite large but it ended up in vivs

[mint creek]

Titanoboa is a special case

Animating it outside a viv would take so much work

[cosmic cosmos]

snakes are an animation nightmare in dynamic terrain

[opaque drift]

That's true

[mint creek]

Size is not the only factor that decides on a vivarium. Arthropleura would be big enough for exhibit but if we ever get it in game it will 100% be a viv species.

[cosmic cosmos]

locomotion, size and animation are the big three for viv species

and reproduction

[mint creek]

Indeed

[opaque drift]

I see

[cosmic cosmos]

things with tadpoles wouldnt really work outside vivs since ontogeny would be impossible

for example

[mint creek]

think that would depend on how long they're in the tadpole stage

babies in game aren't newborns, they're already like 2-3 years old

[opaque drift]

Imagine koolasuchus ontogeny

[cosmic cosmos]

temnyspodyls didnt have a larval stage

or at least most the bigger ones didnt

[mint creek]

Prionosuchus and Koolasuchus are my two big amphibean exhibit wants

[cosmic cosmos]

the same goes for eurypterids lucky for us

[cosmic cosmos]

add masto and eryops and that would be everything we need methinks

[slim flare]

Why?

[mint creek]

Oh yeah eryops is a good shout for a smaller exhibit amph

[slim flare]

Why can’t tadpoles just be in exhibit water?

[opaque drift]

Metoposaurus?

[cosmic cosmos]

i dont think the ontegeny system could facilitate such a drastic change

[slim flare]

Wdym drastic?

It goes from not leaving water to leaving water

[cosmic cosmos]

tadpole to frog

the body not the behaviour

[slim flare]

Well there’s no frog big enough

[mint creek]

I don't know too much about it but just a look and he looks cool

[slim flare]

We’re talking about Koolasuchus and stuff

Salamander bodyplan

[primal gyro]

and they acknowledged that one wouldn't be an issue, so like

[cosmic cosmos]

read what i said lol

discussion of koola came afterwards, and tadpole was only an example, things that go through drastic morphological shifts over their growth cycle was moreso what i was reffering to

[mint creek]

community species suggestions users and reading a full converation challenge: impossible

[cosmic cosmos]

.

[primal gyro]

*bro pointed up reacted the message that was in relation to them 😭 *

[mint creek]

Honestly, I respect the gumption of that

[cosmic cosmos]

im crine vro

[plush nacelle]

Hibberto outisde vivarium?

That thing barely could crawl on land

But cant really disagree with vancleava

[primal gyro]

once (or if) we get full aquatic species and implementation they could be referring to that

[plush nacelle]

With great auk even smaller specimen is now somehow viable

[cosmic cosmos]

thats why i said

[cosmic cosmos]

.

[slender tangle]

Vancleavea got big enough for an enclosure. The largest known specimens were in upwards of 3.8m/12ft long

[limber needle]

YYES DRYTPO MY GOAT

[cosmic cosmos]

auk <33333

love auk

[opaque drift]

Oh I see

[primal gyro]

✨ reiteration

[vital grove]

thats a mengsheng @rigid spindle

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/a5m-albert-fifth-musketeer-cuckoo-gif-9527983417240860306

[flint sable]

hibbert for viv I would say

vancleava could be habitat tho

[flint sable]

legs would need complex animations

also it was barely terrestrial anyways as stated above

[flint sable]

and, not to mention, probably crawled on the bottom

[ebon venture]

Ok a Victorian Scenary pieces or better yet an entire building theme would f*cking slap, hoping it's the correct translation

[crimson oracle]

i feel like we should have gotten giraffatitan as a brachi alt

it would make sense as its appearance is what the popular portrayals of brachi are based on

and we could have a poll for which skin to replace with it

[outer crater]

In some way you could agrue archae and micro were alts of eachother

[coarse inlet]

I’d prefer Vancleavea for a future aquatic dlc tbh

[coarse inlet]

We wouldn’t need to replace any of them, plenty of the other A listers have 4 skins

[crimson oracle]

wait yeah

[silver steeple]

Different proportions would make it difficult or even impossible tbh

Giraffititan has longer front legs and holds itself higher accordingly

[slim flare]

Interesting

I mean I really want Kentrosaurus, so an excuse to get Giraffititan as a full species would be nice

[reef relic]

Made a fan-DLC for fun, again. But pretty this time.

[left spear]

Would swap Draco for Nuralugus

Otherwise great picks

[cosmic cosmos]

love this, pelicanimimus is one of my favourites

[reef relic]

I considered it, but we lack a Nodosaur so I was biased lol

I also considered Paleoloxodon antiiqus and Homotherium, both of which are known from Spain and Portugal, but since they are better known from other localities I decided against it

[fiery crow]

I’m one of the guys that thinks Myotragus would work as a vivie

[coarse inlet]

If the ectotherm idea had stuck I’d agree

[fiery crow]

Eusthenopteron was probably 100% aquatic though, I would wait for full aquatics before asking for it

Habrosaurus would be a good amphibious viv pick as well

[low bridge]

We shall see Mamenchisaurus in Prehistoric Kingdom

[fiery crow]

we might

[opaque drift]

Arboreal viv creatures

Falcatakely
Confuciusornis
Anuroganthus
Suminia
Plesiadapis
Darwinius
Drepanosaurus
Longisquama
Volaticotherium

[fiery crow]

Suminia looks so freaky I’m not gonna lie

[short rover]

I love it

[opaque drift]

It is freaky

[fiery crow]

anyways another good vivie Arboreal would be either Mazothairos and Meganeura

[opaque drift]

What about this depiction of suminia

[opaque drift]

Meganeura would be peak

[short rover]

Iirc it wouldn’t have been furry

[fiery crow]

any Carboniferous bugs

I’d say Tullimonstrum would be a good amphibious vivarium but again
probably fully aquatic

Burgessomedusa

[opaque drift]

Tbh I don't know much about prehistoric bugs

I only know a few of them

[reef relic]

Making that little PK graphic was fun, if simple as heck. Someone give me a theme/area to work with and I'll make another fan-DLC card

[opaque drift]

Madagascar dlc?

[reef relic]

Aye aye cap'n

[fiery crow]

• Pulmonoscorpius
• Apthoroblattina
• Arthropleura
• Megarachne

[fiery crow]

#1360542295228944414 message

[opaque drift]

Prehistoric bugs that I know

Arthropleura
Meganeura
Gigatitan
Pulmonoscorpius
Makarkinia

Carcinonepa libererrantes
( a newly discovered bug)

Jaekolopterus
Eurypterus
Hibbertopterus

[fiery crow]

how big was Makarkinia

[opaque drift]

100-120mm

[fiery crow]

probably too small

[opaque drift]

Straight from google

[opaque drift]

Frr but we can make walk through exhibits

Like the planet zoo ones

Terrestrial viv picks

Sinosauropteryx
Caudipteryx
Tetraceratops
Najash
Deinogalerix
Heterodontosaurus
Thrinaxodon
Euparkeria
Aquilops
Diacodixis

[mint creek]

Sinosauropteryx my beloved

[ancient ibex]

Meh, Conca and Pelecani are great but there is no need to give even more relevance to spinosaur bits

[fiery crow]

idgaf if Sino is basically fuzzy Compsognathus I still wanna see it at some point

[opaque drift]

For real

It's Dino version of red panda

[mint creek]

truth nuke

[left spear]

It's around the same level of furry gorgonopsids clade-wise

[reef relic]

Smaller Gorgonopsids like Lycaenops would be pretty good for vivs

[short rover]

So none probably

[left spear]

Basically

Maybe slightly more due to other factors but yeah very little

[reef relic]

I didn't include any spinosaurids?

[ancient ibex]

Oh my god cat read

[reef relic]

Iberosuchus is a terrestrial crocodile lmao

[ancient ibex]

cant*

Sorry

[reef relic]

There are enough interesting spinosaurids that are famous that we don't need to suggest a whowhataspinus for the game, lol

[reef relic]

Ask and ye shall receive

[short rover]

Is this format based on anything? Like the mini being a free addition?

Or just vibes for what a fun dlc would be

[reef relic]

Vibes for what a fun DLC would be, and going off of the update style of games like Planet Zoo, where DLCs are often joined by a free content update that somehow links to the paid content, thus encouraging purchase of the DLC.

If you're referring to the image formation, I'm quite literally throwing stuff together in Adobe and going with what sounds/looks good design wise lol

[mint creek]

Majungasaurus my goat

[plush nacelle]

I suppose, if PK is going to get less amount animals than RE pack there would be some building theme instead

Just like in PZ

[short rover]

I see

[short rover]

A Victorian zoo style building theme would be fun for that pack

[opaque drift]

I would replace repetosaurus to Archaeoindris

For the rest, its a pretty good dlc idea