Community Species Suggestions

[short rover]

It was confirmed by a dev that they’re coming

We just don’t know when

[outer crater]

It’ll be the giant softshell turtle

trust me bro

[vivid musk]

That’s Brilliant to know my friend. I would love the giant Scorpion Pulmonoscorpius to be added in PK as well.

[eager thunder]

I don’t think it was ever directly confirmed

[short rover]

Yesterday

[eager thunder]

Wait fr?

Where?

[short rover]

It was sent yesterday at least

[plush nacelle]

7 months ago

Damn

[short rover]

Yea I barely use Reddit so had no idea

[plush nacelle]

U16 was this long ago 💀

[eager thunder]

Well alright

Cool

I don’t envy whoever’s job it will be to animate those

[plush nacelle]

I think arthropleura will simply work more like titanoboa

[short rover]

^

Big vivarium species

[plush nacelle]

I honestly didnt believe titanoboa at first, but I also didnt think back then one vivarium species could be not using new vivarium system

[eager thunder]

I mean they move somewhat differently

Instead of sliding around they have all the Carboniferouses supply of legs

[short rover]

Yes that’s why they will be different animals which are animated differently

[plush nacelle]

I meant titanoboa unlike other vivarium critters is moving on one single looped animation

Something similar to PZ exhibits (these species which move at least)

So for arthropleura it could be 1 or 2 looped tracks with few not moving spots

[short rover]

It’s a good thing that creatures that are so hard to animate are usually just sitting around anyways

[slim flare]

The crushing weight of only having one Tyrannosauroid in game rn

[coarse inlet]

Yeah I miss Guanlong

[slim flare]

Guanlong, Yutyrannus, Albertosaurus NOW

[charred cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-world-evolution-3-jwe3-frontier-developments-video-games-park-builders-gif-2355827578276695317

diplodocus

[amber field]

cerato

[slim flare]

Not a tyrannosauroid

!

[amber field]

Ah , I didn't think about that 😅

[peak hazel]

give Alberto a Gorgosaurus alt and I think I'd be fine with the tyrannosaur roster

[amber field]

But one day 😔

[peak hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/gameundt-fallout-maximus-outerops-gif-4067651569052406982

[ancient ibex]

Compsognathids falling within Tyrannosauroidea wouldn't be farfetched, so stretching it the furtherest we can we may count up to 3 potential tyrannosauroids... Yeah, more would be welcome

[amber field]

🤔

[amber field]

Is this good ?

[peak hazel]

it won't look like that but sure

Ceratosaurus is a weird freak

[amber field]

Still bad but better

[ancient ibex]

That one reminds me of golden pheasants heh

More ceratosaurs would be neat

[amber field]

But what change on it since the demo ?

[peak hazel]

in Ceratosauria the only good one I can think of is Ceratosaurus

but obviously thats not including noasaurs and abelisaurs

[amber field]

Those are the well known ones

[slim flare]

So still 1 real Tyrannosauroid

[ancient ibex]

Which are what most ceratosaurs ARE

[ancient ibex]

2 non-maniraptoriform coelurosaurs

[slim flare]

I meant “real” because vivarium

[peak hazel]

how many ceratosaurids are there

I can only think of 1 good one

[slim flare]

Only one that people care about

[brave pier]

One other one known from a bit of the snout and jaw

And I guess Saltriovenator is adjacent to them

[ancient ibex]

Ceratosauria is one of the major divisions of theropods, while Ceratosauridae is a pretty small part of it

Saltriovenator is a dilophosaur-grade early ceratosaur

[plush nacelle]

Using certain logic

Tarbosaurus is second

[shy vale]

what about berberosaurus?

[ancient ibex]

The potential other Ceratosaurids are those; Eoabelisaurus as a ceratosaurid is something that pops up at times, but the exact placement of ceratosaurids within Ceratosauria is not resolved (like noasaurs, which are pretty much all non ceratosaurid, non abelisaurid ceratosaurs)

[ancient ibex]

Scraps as well

[shy vale]

i see

guess no genyodectes alt then?

[slim flare]

Ceratosaurus really doesn’t need an alt

[silver steeple]

Yeah tbh

[coarse inlet]

Yeah I’d prefer 3 C. nasicornis skins

[rigid spindle]

@vital grove finished the sketches for anatosuchus and priosphenocodon

[vital grove]

great job making it look like ma tuatara

[rigid spindle]

I just got an image of a tuatara and traced the general shape before modifying the pose and adding the spikes

[vital grove]

yeah but the eyes and skin to good job it looks the way it most like wouldve been

[rigid spindle]

Does the beak look good?

Modern tuataras don’t really seem to have any so I kinda just winged it

[vital grove]

yeah looks like the skull shape mostly with soft tissue that should be it

[rigid spindle]

Alright

I’ll start on the lineart then

[vital grove]

looks great but i feel like the tail is abit short

also let me look at its ecology real quick

[rigid spindle]

Alright

My stylus just died too so I gotta charge it rq

[vital grove]

shape of the tail is good just a bit longer like youd expect in modern aquatic crocodilians

[rigid spindle]

Ok

Speaking of aquatic animals, I feel like there's a bit too many in this

7/12 of the species are aquatic

[vital grove]

huh 7

6 but if you have a good alternative name one

the other turtle is a tortoise if you meant it

[rigid spindle]

Anomalo?

[vital grove]

yeah

[rigid spindle]

Oh

[vital grove]

so its land

[rigid spindle]

Maybe replace diandongo with madtsoia?

Since there's currently 2 "Crocs" and not a single snake

[vital grove]

since all snakes are very fragmentary i have another possible contender

[rigid spindle]

Vasuki?

[vital grove]

laopis the biggest extinct viperid

so a venomous snake to

[rigid spindle]

Ooooooh

That works

[vital grove]

alright ill adjust it

updated reptile vivarium dlc laophis gets a pass because of the general fossil record of snakes

[vital grove]

hear me out on laopis it must be related to the genus vipera due to its geographical distribution to the point where i suspect it would likely be in the same genus. so lets base it on the 2 geographically closest viper genera vipera and montivipera

[alpine thicket]

Oh hell yes I was hoping

[rigid spindle]

Alright, got any pictures of them?

[vital grove]

most certainly we can even make a speculative skin based on one horned vipera species (could easily be 1 of 3 skins)

[rigid spindle]

Bet

Don't viv species only have one skin tho?

[vital grove]

yes but its a viv based dlc so for a dlc its possible maybe

we can atleast make 2 options

vipera ammodytes

[rigid spindle]

Instead of 2 skins, we can do sexual dimorphism

[vital grove]

vipera berus

[rigid spindle]

Males have the horns and females dont

[vital grove]

yeah but that wouldnt fit the real life members of these genera

[rigid spindle]

Oh

[vital grove]

montivpera xanthina

[vital grove]

both male and female have it

[rigid spindle]

Those are some pretty colors

[vital grove]

vipera aspis

these should be good

most vipera have similar style patterning so its mostly extr facial details and what thickness you will pick

but we dont know that so whatever is aesthetically pleasing from a close relative will do

whats even wilder is that laopis is holocene

[rigid spindle]

My stylus is back at 100% and I'm ready to get these linearts done

[vital grove]

sick

[rigid spindle]

Does this tail look long enough?

[vital grove]

i tagged anatosuchus priospenodon was fine

[rigid spindle]

Oh

Lemme just spam undo a bit

[rigid spindle]

Finished prio lineart

@vital grove

Scratch that I did everything on the wrong layer

[coarse inlet]

Some kind of parviraptorid would be good

[vital grove]

since people wanted a lot of birds i wanted to make a second one i can do that for reptiles to since i dont feel like it should replace any on this list

[coarse inlet]

Breugnathair is the best known but Diablophis might be better due to size and location

[vital grove]

theyre on the edge of complete enough since the body shape seems very speculative

and theres nothing to compare them to either

[rigid spindle]

I'm cool with any snake since they're all one general shape

L o n g

[vital grove]

i wish there was a better fossil record

1 venomous snake option that is not just a extinct copy of a living thing

[rigid spindle]

A venomous snake would be neat since most the popular extinct snakes are constrictors

[vital grove]

thats why i suggested laophis (also the fact that its european narrows potential relatives down a LOT

although paleophis is also a good option

giant fully aquatic trunk snake

but that just needs a genuine aquatic update

[rigid spindle]

Paleophis is probably too mobile for a massive animal to be in vivariums

Since they live in the open ocean, I imagine they move around a lot

[coarse inlet]

Breugnathair has a good amount of the skeleton

[vital grove]

it says multiple species mightve had multiple lifestyles

i know trunk snakes are ambush predators

[coarse inlet]

Not articulated but enough to give a good idea of the appearance

[vital grove]

ill note it down for a second pack

[rigid spindle]

Finished

What colors would you say would be considered reasonable?

[vital grove]

arid enviroment

[rigid spindle]

K

[rigid spindle]

Finished the colors

(Only the male will have the orange and yellow on the throat)

[vital grove]

looks great

[rigid spindle]

Now to name the skin

[vital grove]

patagonian?

[rigid spindle]

Sure

[vital grove]

god its more alien looking than a tuatara

they look sick

[rigid spindle]

Ty

How big was prio?

[vital grove]

a little over a metre so lets say 100-110cm would be reasonable

[rigid spindle]

2 down, 10 more to go

[vital grove]

they are turning out peak though and many of these have criminally little paleoart aswell

[rigid spindle]

Any of them do have modern relatives though

Which makes designing them much easier

[vital grove]

also makes them feel as realistic as they can get

[rigid spindle]

Time to work on anatosuchus

[vital grove]

cuz this seriously just looks like one fucked up tuatara

which is what id expect from the animal

[shy vale]

add a drepanosaur

(this would include longisquama and mirasaura btw)

[vital grove]

it was in there with longisquama but we decided they are more likely to make it into the game seperately from these lesser known animals

[shy vale]

i see

[vital grove]

same for beelzebufo when i get to amphibians

[rigid spindle]

They were sacrificed for a gator and snake

[shy vale]

for amphibians would you have an albanerpetontid?

[vital grove]

i wish yaksha wasnt 5cm

[shy vale]

what about nabia?

it was found in lourinha

or wesserpeton from the wessex formation

[vital grove]

5 and 15 from what i can find

so very unfortunate

i do have atleast 1 other frog for it that can replace beelzebufo while being unique for a reptile one

[shy vale]

gerobatrachus?

[vital grove]

paleobatrachus

15cm body lenght and then theres the legs

also its a frog so its fat

i wish one of the devs could just give a definite minimum size lol

[slim flare]

Is Gigantopithecus really that unreasonable for PK? Considering it doesn’t climb really

[flint sable]

I think the main thing was just animating a primate in general

rather than just climbing being the issue

and also that they just arent very interesting to the devs at least thats what im reading through the search

[fervent basalt]

maip, masiakasaurus, guanlong and koleken

[rigid spindle]

Finished the lineart

@vital grove

[rigid spindle]

3rd species done

[slim flare]

Is it that different from a bear?

[flint sable]

presumabley

id imagine the main thing is the face and also the hands

[slim flare]

I guess

[alpine thicket]

Devs next explicitly dismissed all primates as I recall.

I don't think Giganto is unreasonable until they explicitly say so

[warm furnace]

Yuanmouraptor

[mild rose]

Thats a damn shame if true. Primates are as wonderful as any other…

[alpine thicket]

.. .typo not sure how that happened

*never explicitly dismissed

[slim flare]

There’s one primate that comes to my park in droves

I hope Allosaurus will clear that up soon enough

[vivid musk]

Hopefully the Gigantopithecus Blacki will be coming to PK eventually despite what the Devs said. 🤞

[vital grove]

simple with some flashy colours looks good

reasonable for a crocodilian

[vital grove]

small climbers should also work in the vivariums right, then it leaves giganto and archeoindris as must have exhibit animals

which would both spend most time on the ground and their body shape isnt actually that hard if you think of sloths and calicotheres

[plush nacelle]

Archaeoindris is such wacky animal

How would it even look, when closest relatives are fully arboreal species convergent with modern sloths

[vital grove]

the worst part about the question you are asking is that there used to be people not to long ago that could answer your question

i think if you know gorillas and saw this you would get major uncanny valley vibes tbf

[plush nacelle]

Tfw when both biggest primates viable for exhibits are so fragmentary devs would essentially need to made up appearance for both

[vital grove]

archaeoindris is fairly complete from what im reading the skull is known and the wikipedia talks about known limb proportions to

gigantopithecus meanwhile.....

but atleast it can be based of pongo

[plush nacelle]

Sure, but if we take into account this limb bone it appears animal would be fully arboreal and hang down from trees lmao

[vital grove]

its just imagine a 250kg lemur what colours what fur shape weird lemur eyes?

[vital grove]

it says it lived in bushland and savannah

[plush nacelle]

Crazy animal it would be probably something like bornean orangutan, which is often seen on ground cause there are no huge predators on island anymore

[vital grove]

i think when we are talking about something this size we should assume its less arboreal. black bears climb to but i wouldnt deem it necesarry for them to do so in a zoo game especially prehistoric kingdom so i think the same about gorilla like apes

especially gigantopithecus because it should be the heaviest

doesnt mean they cant climb its still a primate and even humans can but i dont see a 250kg animal moving the same way a modern chimp or pongo would

[plush nacelle]

Which is why archaeoindris is such a wacky animal

If we tried to reconstruct it based on what we have it would probably struggle to walk on land

[vital grove]

that is certainly true and i cant believe we missed it by 4000 years

[vital grove]

idk about that id say we know just to little to say this

but we do know it lived in more open habitats which is already wild

even gorillas dont do that

its the likely reason giganto died out

meanwhile this unit of a lemur chilling in madagascars savannahs probably brutalizing giant fossa that throw a fight

like giant fossa is at best the size of a cougar and this is a whole ass gorilla, so i could see them basically being immune to predation

atleast adult males

also there is another contender for biggest griphin fly thats not meganeura: meganeuropsis with the immensely diverse colours of modern dragonflies i think 2 of them might actually be really nice

also i saw someone say these would be hard to animate but modern dragonflies are essentially incapable of walking so they can only fly from branch to branch and wouldnt even move their legs for walking

[vital grove]

curious which ones you will choose to do next theyve all turned out really neat so far

[rigid spindle]

I finished the sketches for laophis, lazarussuchus, and pleurosaurus last night

[vital grove]

oh cool can i see

[rigid spindle]

I don't have my iPad on me right now sadly

I'll send them after I get out of school

[vital grove]

alright curious about lazarus its such a little weirdo

[rigid spindle]

I think I did great on lazarussuchus

[vital grove]

nice come to think of it ill do some more reading on its size

[rigid spindle]

Alright

[vital grove]

it said known fossil material is at 30cm then i got another measurement of 36 but the dutch wikipedia says total lenght estimates are 40-70cm so im really confused

[rigid spindle]

Let's average it out to 40 cm (or whatever that is in freedom units)

[vital grove]

i think since 30cm is known fossil material and 36-40 is the number i see most often we can go with 40 at most since its within reason that a large specimen can reach this

[rigid spindle]

Alright

[vital grove]

found an aquatic snake with legs and a terrestrial one for the second reptile pack

najash and eupodophis

then we have boidae viperidae and early snakes covered in game

anyone have some more early reptiles lets make this pack have some more early than late reptiles unlike the last one

[vital grove]

@rigid spindle with its shape would sea snake colours not fit pleuro quite nicely

[rigid spindle]

@vital grove here’s the sketches

[vital grove]

they look great

[rigid spindle]

Any suggestions?

[vital grove]

nope they all look great im curious about the colours

[rigid spindle]

Laophis is gonna be inspired by vipera(?) orlovi

Pleurosaurus will probably be a sea krait

And lazarussuchus will be a brown anole

[vital grove]

the other two sound good but itsnt that a bit weird for a semi aquatic animal

[vital grove]

you did really do well on the shape though

[rigid spindle]

Idk why but brown with a yellow-orange feels right for lazaru

[vital grove]

alright ill wait till i see it before i say anything then

[rigid spindle]

I'm almost done with pleuros colors

[vital grove]

sketch of lazarus is peak though

[vital grove]

cool

sea snake feels right with its long body

[rigid spindle]

I'm using a sea krait as reference

[vital grove]

kraits are really cool

also very venomous

its 1.5m long btw although i think we underestimated its damn tail my god

although that should be simple to edit without restarting

[hot sable]

Y’all the next allo species might be my favorite so far

[rigid spindle]

Finished these 2

[rigid spindle]

Pardon?

https://tenor.com/view/aniyabea-yt-man-stare-ab-yt-man-stare-aniyab-gif-10494397403125281154

[vital grove]

sorry but that tail is even more insane

colours look great

love the snout on the viper

the colour not even the thingy

[vital grove]

like thats 70-75%tail

[rigid spindle]

I might or might not update the tail

Idk if I have the sanity to do that

[vital grove]

i understand other than the apparently even insanely longer tail they look great

cant wait for lazarus though because that one is peak

[rigid spindle]

I'm coloring right now

Here’s where I’m at so far

[vital grove]

sick btw with gollotia i think we should work together a bit more like with gigarcanum since yes its part of that genus the head is definetely a bit more of a gigarcanum case though

[rigid spindle]

K

[vital grove]

love it

you nailed the head shape

[rigid spindle]

I'll probably do gollotia next then

[vital grove]

alright

[rigid spindle]

I used this for reference

[vital grove]

funny thing is its tied with pleuro in length

other than the big snek

[rigid spindle]

The skull shape I sketched out was a bit bumpier than my reference but I liked how it looked so I went with it

[vital grove]

yeah good choice some have crocodilian features others are very simple this reconstruction is a fair basis

since its something we just dont know so taking a cautious route is smart

especially with this weirdos shape and history

for anyone here that doesnt know what is so special about it is a what was it 70 million year ghost lineage that survived into the neogene even though its small it popped up out of nowhere in the fossil record far from its relatives time wise. hence the badass name lazarassuchus

@rigid spindle i think i got something useful its a perfect sideways picture of a mummified specimen

[rigid spindle]

Perfect

[vital grove]

yeah the head shape gives a feeling of convergent evolution with iguanas which makes a lot of sense in this case but using just another member of its genus wouldnt do that justice, also feel free to make it more heavy looking than the other genus members. essentially its a lacertid green iguana down to the size

now for colour, in most of the genus theres some options for almost cerain sexual dimorphism

like the entire genus has it basically so its almost certain males would be more colourful

the location in placement is different but most have flashy colours so you could probably make it 2 colours maybe brown dark brown and some colour of coice and pattern of choice, but looking at the genus avoid stripes and go for a more paint blotch approach, towards the belly and sides

any bright colour should do but since its mating display avoid green

[vital grove]

blue is one of the rarest colours in nature so seriously go wild on the males pink purple fire colours whatever its realistic for the genus

[rigid spindle]

Finished lazarussaurus

[vital grove]

for the specific genus it probably points towards blue more but a mix of blue pruple and pink while combining the colourfull belly ones with the side dotted ones might be great for a probably over colourful male but still realistic to the genus probably my last thing to say about the chonker lacertid

[vital grove]

i expected more but the simplicity makes it work nicely

lazarassuchus looks peak

[rigid spindle]

I'ma get to work on gallotia in a little bit

I'ma take a quick break and mentally prepare myself for sinemys

[vital grove]

take your time, i think you should be good on goliathia maybe use the body shape of a green iguana and use the head i sent you that should be enough once you have the sketch ready ill tell you if it looks right

[rigid spindle]

K

[vital grove]

dont use the spikes though lacertids dont tend to have them european ones dont atleast

[rigid spindle]

Alright

[vital grove]

one last thing before anyone says: basing the head shape on this is shrink wrapped, yes there would be a slight bit more soft tissue but squamates dont have facial muscles like mammals and probably dinosaurs though so the overall shape should be fine, especially since were treating it like a lacertid iguana

iguana meaning more weight behind the body since it reached the same size as the largest non marine iguanas

[alpine thicket]

Dinosaurs wouldn't have had a lot of additional facial tissue either.

[vital grove]

20 times more than a 10k year old living genus squamate lizard i guarantee you

its more about saying yeah it might have more soft tissue but for a gallotia its safe to assume the iguana like head is what we get no extra muscles or anything

tbf if not for what i assume some of the community here would say i wouldve never even made the arument

because sometimes even when im right and you can double check people argue with me. like if im wrong im wrong but holy f some people

[alpine thicket]

Thankfully I do think most people here are aware of how little additional facial tissue reptiles in general typically have.

[vital grove]

i had a discussion about mammoths and aurochs yesterday while every museum i visited in my youth here told me about mammoths aurochs and megaloceros living in my country and doggerland

[alpine thicket]

I witnessed that yeah it was goofy.

[vital grove]

megaloceros

[vital grove]

like i get they wouldnt live in 100% of the range but saying they never cohabited would literally go against the biggest natural history museum here naturalis

[alpine thicket]

It goes against like
most credible sources so yeaaaaah

[vital grove]

when people forget what generalist means tbh

aurochs can live in ukraine and india

wolves live in northern greenland

thats not a different species

its a subspecies

and when it comes to fossil record a subspecies might aswell equal a species or subpopulation

[vital grove]

what i mean with this is simpy taxonomy is messy

[vital grove]

people are to eager to name their own genus sometimes

[rigid spindle]

Alrighty I’m back

Let’s draw some ig-not-as

[rigid spindle]

Btw which gollotia species is this?

[vital grove]

Gallotia caesaris but id adivse you to look up the genus and combine the most aestethic features

[rigid spindle]

I did

[vital grove]

other than shape i have nothing to say so im looking forward to it

like id almost say use pink and purple because this is the lizard that couldve had it

like blue is so rare for even plants

so if it can be blue

pink and purple become easy side options

[rigid spindle]

@vital grove how does this look so far?

[limber needle]

I mean unless it's keratin or weird vulture things, ig

[alpine thicket]

vulture-like soft tissue is super unlikely for most dinosaurs

and there's a lot of soft tissue display that's not just ripping off condors

[coarse inlet]

There’s a lot of birds with interesting facial soft tissue

Sometimes there’s fun stuff that’s more subtle, like Kakapo nostrils

But I will say that wattles and combs are quite common in birds that don’t have feathered heads

Caruncles and similar features are widespread in birds idk why they wouldn’t be in other dinosaurs

[mint creek]

cassowary my beloved

[alpine thicket]

those features are on a pretty narrow amount of bird when taking all birds into account that also are not predators of live prey of any significant size.
additionally, there's a lot of soft tissue display that would be far less obstructive, and honestly we're still talking stuff that's way more likely on smaller dinosaurs anyway.

[peak hazel]

Becklespinax is not a valid genus

[deep abyss]

ah really?

i haven't kept up much

[peak hazel]

it got lumped into Altispinax
and well

[peak hazel]

its not that recent of a thing

[deep abyss]

i've had a very busy life, a lot of things have gone over my head lolol, even if it's not recent. sad to see my goat isn't valid.

[peak hazel]

your goat is based off various different animals

[deep abyss]

it was just my first pick and most used vivosaur in fossil fighters, by no means my actual goat when it comes to dinosaurs.

ty though for letting me know ^^

[mint creek]

Would go well in my schizotaxon dlc idea

[mint creek]

Nagatitan chaiyaphumensis

[vital grove]

good but the tail is skinny and looong

[rigid spindle]

I fixed it last night but forgot to send it for review

[vital grove]

alright other than the tail the shape is fine it looks a bit more heavy which it should

[ancient ibex]

Less lumped, and more "Greg Paul comes up with weird crap"

Altispinax is likely a Concavenator relative, and Las Hoyas and the Weald having comparable fauna is not farfetched because that's what happens in Europe

There is species overlap anyway

[peak hazel]

Actually much better way to put it

[paper dust]

Gigantopithecus

[feral cedar]

Not really

[eager thunder]

They want to be concavinator so bad

[feral cedar]

Altispinax is an absolute mess historically

It starts with "Megalosaurus" dunkeri, a species named solely on undiagnostic teeth. If you were a theropod discovered in early paleontology, you probably were a species wastebasketed into the Megalosaurus genus

The vertebrae that were eventually named Altispinax were referred to "M." dunkeri, and thus Altispinax dunkeri became a thing. However, in the late 80s Greg Paul, the lumping king, decided that these vertebrae are actually another species of Acrocanthosaurus (because of course he did) so he named a new species under that genus; Acrocanthosaurus? altispinax

[peak hazel]

yeah idk how he got to acro

[feral cedar]

Then, George Olshevsky recognized that there's no fucking way this thing is an acro species so he gave it a new genus name; Becklespinax

In 2016 the mess was finally cleared up and it was determined that since species names can be shared, Altispinax dunkeri and "Megalosaurus" dunkeri are two distinct species that happen to share their specific name, and Altispinax is simply the older name compared to Becklespinax altispinax

[feral cedar]

Concavenator was named 87 years after Altispinax, but I do have to agree. Modern Altispinax recons either make shit up or mimic Concavenator at every turn lol

[eager thunder]

The lesser older brother that the parents don’t love as much

[feral cedar]

lol

I'm still confused as to why the Jurassic World franchise went for Becklespinax over Concavenator

[outer crater]

they get more design spec with becklespinax

[ancient ibex]

If the name isn't getting use in science all search results go to them; closest thing to copyrighting species

[plush nacelle]

Sounds more edgy to me

[slim flare]

JW should only use invalid taxa going forward

[plush nacelle]

Biconcavoposeidon

Kids would go crazy

[slim flare]

Are we in agreement of Gigantoraptor as the next Oviraptorosaur for PK?

With no alts

[mint creek]

yeah

[plush nacelle]

Either it or any other caenagnathid

[ancient ibex]

Or Caudipteryx-adjacent vivarium

[slim flare]

Gigantoraptor now, Anzu later

[slim flare]

Is there any basal Oviraptorosaur big enough to be habitat?

[plush nacelle]

Maybe avimimus

[slim flare]

Oh, that’d be cool. Nemegt

[low bridge]

Tarchia

Pinacosaurus

[rigid spindle]

Here’s the current sketch @vital grove

[vital grove]

looks great

[vivid musk]

I would love for the Deinonychus to be in PK eventually via DLC.

[rigid spindle]

Finished the lineart

Got any species for me to base the colors off of?

[vital grove]

you can check out the genus like i said go wild but base the patterns on those

[rigid spindle]

Bet

[rigid spindle]

Finished

My spinal cord is burning from how hard I’m cooking right now

(And also my horrible posture)

[vital grove]

you are cooking for the king himself

[vital grove]

btw only the males should have the blue

[rigid spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-sad-cat-wet-dead-inside-gif-14354821180399429137

I'll fix it tomorrow

I bought me and my friend subnautica 2 and I'm dying to play it

[slim flare]

Assuming Dimetrodon comes in base game, I’m trying to determine the exhibit species of a Palaeozoic Pack

Inostrancevia
Edaphosaurus
Cotyrhynchus
Scutosaurus
Moschops
Lystrosaurus
Prionosuchus?

[shy vale]

there should be like 2 alts for lystrosaurus, the permian and then the triassic species

also add anteosaurus

oh, and estemmenosuchus and rubidgea

[slim flare]

We need to be conservative

Estemmenosuchus especially is cool tho…

[shy vale]

fair enough

but i do think having multiple alts of lystrosaurus should be a thing

[wary nacelle]

Do you take suggestions perhapsicle

[vivid musk]

The Dimetrodon is confirmed to be coming post EA and that would a be phenomenal dlc pack focusing on the reptiles that lived in the Permian Period.

[slim flare]

Almost none of those are reptiles

[vivid musk]

I actually meant to say Mammal like Reptiles (Synapsids).

[cosmic cosmos]

just say non-mammalian synapsids

[slender tangle]

Stem-mammals

[ancient ibex]

Reptile-like mammals lol

[left spear]

Just say lobe-finned fish

[flint sable]

ye

this is the right way to say it if anything

[flint sable]

this prolly best tho

[lean hound]

Is there really no name for non mammalian synapsids?

[ancient ibex]

It is a grade

Hell, not even that

An entire stem group

[lean hound]

For some reason I've always imagined stem mammal as some sort of inaccurate term

[outer crater]

Maybe it would be a polyphyletic grouping to include all synapsids except mammals

that’s what I’m guessing

[hollow flower]

Synapsids lack a good catchy term for themselves

[eager thunder]

Synapsid rolls off the tongue don’t it?

[hollow flower]

I think I should specify

When someone says "Synapsid" to someone not in the field, it does not exactly tell them much

So now you start to explain what a synapsid is, and the explanation is rather convoluted

They are mammal relatives but not actually mammals, and theyre not that closely related but they are far more closely related to mammals than dinosaurs, even though they resemble in some ways, a dinosaur.

It gets confusing for the average layman

[vital grove]

i mean not everyone has to know if someone says it and everyone knows what is meant it doesnt matter that much what term they use, ig some terms arent even that bad as a lot of extinct animals tend not to have regional names. so as a vernacular mammal like reptiles inst technically incorrect

and probably easier to understand for the average person

like megalania isnt megalania its varanus priscus apply this logic to a group and it stands within reason for someone to use it as a vernacular

beardogs as another example

[ancient ibex]

Mammals are synapsids

Hell, mammals are cynodonts

[vital grove]

mammals are lobe finned fish

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, but the split with coelacanths and lungfish is quite old, while cynodont study doesn't really make sense without accounting for early mammals

Just like you can work with tyrannosaurs without taking birds into account, but can't do the same when dealing with pennaraptorans

[vital grove]

yeah but it remains funny to say. from what i read its somewhat unclear where cynodonts end and mammaliaformes start

[ancient ibex]

Cynodonts are paraphyletic without mammals

And of course the hair splitting becomes a thing unless you go for crown mammals

[vital grove]

wdym by this exactly?

[ancient ibex]

Expanding the definition of mammal beyond the crown group (descendants of the ancestor of all living mammals) gets tricky and subjective

[left spear]

Honestly just say they're part of Eukarya

[vital grove]

oh yeah 100% we would have to find evidence of a jurassic animal that produced milk to definitively say that

which we might aswell never find

[ancient ibex]

Or imagine say, Cynognathus secreting milk as well

[vital grove]

i mean yeah

the definition of mammal is based on that

so anything that can be proven to be should be considered an early mammal

[ancient ibex]

Eh, one definition

[vital grove]

mammaliaform

[ancient ibex]

Presence of character rather than evo-based definition tho

[vital grove]

i mean somewhere at some point 1 ancestor to all mammals evolved this

[ancient ibex]

Mammaliaforma is defined in terms of Morganucodon

[vital grove]

like yeah modern mammal groups split of before the cretaceous extinction but all mammals still share 1 common ancestor

[ancient ibex]

Mammalia as a rule is Platypus+Macropus+Homo

[vital grove]

thats a weird little fella

[vital grove]

yeah monotremes marsupials and placentals

i dont think we even know to much about when these groups split of do we

[vital grove]

also there must be one or two extinct lineages that are mammals but i just dont think of rn

yeah definitely repanomammus isnt even in the living groups

[feral cedar]

It’s always interesting to see which taxa were used to define clades

[eager thunder]

What could even possibly fossilize that would let us know if a animal had utters or something

[vital grove]

while incredibly rare soft tissue fossil are possible we know the genitalia of certain dinosaurs so utters isnt impossible, just difficult since early mammals tend to be.... fragmentary at best

[feral cedar]

Ornithorhynchus + Macropus + Homo makes sense; marsupials, monotrenes, and placentals

[vital grove]

sorry if a dinosaur cloaka is to graphic but yeah we have fossils of it

[eager thunder]

That one Psittacosaurus really carrying the field of dinosaur anatomy

[vital grove]

so it is possible to find utters but the chance is astromomically low

you need an instant burial right conditions and the right position

[ancient ibex]

Monotremes split FAR earlier than the other 2, and stuff like multituberculates or gondwanatheres also fall within that despite not being monotremes or therians

[vital grove]

that we do know but i mean early fossils are.... dont dont dont, (tooth) which should say enough

like if someone knows one id love to hear it but i dont know of any fairly complete possible common ancestor to monotremes marsupials and placentals

at least 100% mammal that is

[eager thunder]

The chances of utters on a dimetrodon are low
But not 0

[vital grove]

lol i mean technically, although at earliest id expect this within cynodonts

this is my current list for a second reptile vivarium dlc idea (devs can always swap things around but there are just many fun options)

reptile
Breugnathair
Araeoscelis
eupodophis
Phelsuma gigas
Eretmorhipis

if anyone has extra suggestions feel free

and this is what i currently have for an amphibian vivarium dlc

amphibian house
andrias matthewi
palaeobatrachus
Keraterpeton
Crassigyrinus
Brachydectes
Lethiscus
Hovasaurus
Sclerothorax

using amphibian loosely

[vital grove]

added teraterpeton

[vital grove]

@rigid spindle i double checked and shinglebacks have blue tongues to, when you do tiliqua frangens you can give it a nice blue tongue in terms of shape shingleback is also likely the closest since we dont have the tail. from snout to vent its 60cm so lets say with a stumpy tail it ends up being 65cm to 70cm. in terms of colours id advise the pattern of the shingleback but it lived in new south whales so id expect more dark cryptic colours than its desert counterpart. perhaps this pattern with mostly brown and a few green scales in different shades would work nicely so far everything has been colourful lets make one that looks more camouflaged but still has cryptic patterning to make it stand out

something like this but in the pattern of the shingleback could also be cool (Mangshan pit viper)

especially since we dont have green yet in the roster and it works nicely in crazy patterns

[cosmic cosmos]

theres also the goldfields locale for shinglebacks that is quite striking

[vital grove]

in terms of pattern its also a good option but it seems it was found in a cave of what shouldve been the more foresty areas back then and now so i do think using either of the modern relatives for a base pattern is a good option but green or more dirt brown should also be included

thats not desert

[vital grove]

although @rigid spindle if you base it of these i think you should base it on the more blotched ones since a lot of the concept arts have stripes rn

[vital grove]

also if you base it of these in terms of tail we would be at 75cm probably

while short but thick tails are common for desert species, a head shaped tail can also work as a distraction for predators so both are valid

like slighly longer and short even though not in a desert

so essentially its your choice what tail length you pick of those 2 since we dont have tailbones both are valid options looking at its relatives. just dont give it a long tail like blue tongue skinks. since its osteoderms definitely point to a relation to shinglebacks

[proper raven]

Jack Black scaring off early hominins

[rigid spindle]

I was gonna do that, yeah

[kindred night]

Old post, but I wanted to try and get more people to see it >:D
https://discord.com/channels/173172667623407616/1378421005093048340

[feral cedar]

Or just post it here?

That’s the entire point of this thread

[vital grove]

might be new

[lilac flint]

I'd love to see some more Paleozoic and Triassic representation in-game, here's some suggestions I think would fit nicely in PK:

Fauna:
Arthropleura
Dimetrodon
Edaphosaurus
Eryops
Erythrosuchus
Inostrancevia
Jaekelopterus (or any other Eurypterid)
Lystrosaurus
Mastodonsaurus
Meganeura
Postosuchus
Pulmonoscorpius
Scutosaurus
Shringasaurus
Tanystropheus
Weigeltisaurus

Flora:
Archaeopteris
Calamophyton
Callistophytales
Cladoxylopsida
Cooksonia
Dicroidium
Glossopteris
Lepidodendron
Lycophytes
Pleuromeia
Prototaxites (not technically a plant, but still would be cool to have)
Sigillaria
Sphenopteris
Tetraxylopteris

[wary nacelle]

-# there’s a separate thread for plants btw

[cinder radish]

Anteosaurus
Atopodentatus
Cotylorynchus
Desmatosuchus
Estemmenosuchus
Moschops
Placerias
Prionosuchus

[kindred night]

Oh. My bad. I didn't see your message lol

While there are currently unique species of dinosaurs in Prehistoric Kingdom, why not add more? Africa is full of weird and unique dinosaurs.

Criteria needed for which dinosaurs I'd like to see added:

1. How complete the skeletal structure is.
2. How much research has been conducted.
3. How many source images are there to create a model to scientific accuracy.
4. How unique/iconic is the dinosaur (can include dinosaurs made popular by the JP and JW series)
5. Is it unique compared to already in game dinosaurs?

Dinosaurs I would like to be added include:

Aardonyx
Afrovenator
Giraffatitan
Kentrosaurus
Kryptops
Lapparentsaurus
Lesothosaurus
Majungasaurus
Masiakasaurus
Nigersaurus
Rapetosaurus
Suchomimus

(I just put a thread so it can be organised and easy to find.)

[cosmic cosmos]

i'd swap out kotasaurus for rapetosaurus since it lived with majunga, masiaka, simo and beelze

[kindred night]

Makes sense actually.

Thanks :D

[cosmic cosmos]

two criteria i'd add are if it adds to a formations diversity and if it is unique compared to other dinos in the game

[kindred night]

Hmm. That is a good point. I should add that

[slim flare]

Mesozoica launched with 14 species

PK has all of them planned except Albertosaurus and Mamenchisaurus

You know what must be done

[reef relic]

Bored and waiting on a plane, so here's a vivarium DLC idea for no reason ✨👌

Vivarium DLC -
Dimorphodon
Jakapil
Balaur
Lycaenops
Suminia
Henodus (with a new "reef" vivarium type)

[silver steeple]

Balaur is almost certainly too big for a viv

Jakapil probably as well

[slim flare]

We also have no idea what Balaur is

[reef relic]

I didn't realize just how large it is, dang. I'd been under the impression that both it and Jakapil were roughly Simosuchus sized.

[lean hound]

Thinking of scutellosaurus?

[heavy scarab]

For terrestrial vivariums aside from Compsognathus and Mononykus which we already have the other dinosaurs I'd like to see are;
Aquilops, Heterodontosaurus, Scutellosaurus and Sinosauropteryx

[short rover]

Scutellosaurus is too big no?

I’d love a heterodontosaur

[ancient ibex]

Hetero and Lesotho would be great, and Scutello may even fit

[feral cedar]

Aren’t Lesothosaurus and Scutellosaurus of comparable size

[vital grove]

alright sick

[lean hound]

I reckon it could just about fit in a vivarium

[short rover]

Would be neat

[oak lion]

it'd be perfect as a DLC flagship

[oak lion]

tbh could still be aquatic vivarium without the land piece

[rigid spindle]

@vital grove I'm ready to get back into drawing these reptiles

[vital grove]

nice im guessing you are leaving the turtles for last

btw i think its really cool you chose to draw out my vivarium dlc suggestion

and you really did well on the details

especially since a lot of these species need some more attention since they are very unknown

[rigid spindle]

Definitely leaving sinemys for last

Oh wait that’s vertical

How does this look?

[pliant hinge]

Tusoteuthis

[charred cobalt]

the tail filled with spikes

dacentarus

[vital grove]

perfect

[brave pier]

Tuso is dubious

Enchoteuthis is pretty much its successor

[low bridge]

Quarter Ton Shasta Ground Sloth would be Neat Addition

Besides giant sloth like Megatherium

[shy vale]

would miragaia be an alt?

[charred cobalt]

he is throny and not plated

so probably not

[shy vale]

thing is that there's a debate as to whether miragaia is the same as dacentrurus

at the very least, they are very closely related

[burnt gate]

they should add albertosaurus lwk

[cinder token]

They’ve stated it’s on the post-EA list.

[burnt gate]

WWW

[still plover]

Replace ugrunaaluk with Shantungosaurus

[slow shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-screaming-gritando-cris-gritando-chris-gritando-pandlrgif-gif-2717897458372203857

[peak hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/tik-tok-our-brains-are-shrinking-please-stop-an-iq-too-high-gif-14451649523511961636

[feral cedar]

It SHOULD'VE been Shantungosaurus, but we can't replace it anymore

[flint sable]

i dont disagree with that take

[still plover]

Think having an asian alt genus works better than yet another north american dubious genus

Also hope we get Megalosaurus as a torvo alt and maybe polacanthus/gastonia, more non north american dinosaurs would be a good thing

[flint sable]

I mean for the abundance of north american species just blame the fossil record

but yes, ugru in hindsight was a bad choice

[slim flare]

Ugru is an unfortunate remnant of PK’s 2010’s origins and the Prince Creek Formation obsession, before it turned out nearly every aspect was inaccurate

[still plover]

Dryptosaurus would be cool, one of the tyrannosaurs I would like to see

I would replace the feathered rex for either mcreansis or zhucheng

Furthermore I would do alberto/gorgo, procerato/guanlong, Qianzhousaurus/alioramus and Yutyrannus

[slim flare]

Nanotyrannus kinda beats Dryotosaurus at this point

[feral cedar]

"More non North American dinosaurs"

Proceeds to post Gastonia, Dryptosaurus, Tyrannosaurus mcraeensis, Albertosaurus, and Gorgosaurus in the suggestion thread

[slim flare]

Um that was Laramidia 🤓

And Appalachia

[feral cedar]

I'm going to go to your house and litter the entire floor with legos and oil so you slip and fall into a world of pain

[alpine thicket]

You did mention some good Asian choices, but some are American and then like
mcraensis is so not worth it.

[slim flare]

Oil?

[still plover]

Yeah prefer z.magnus over t.mcreansis

[slim flare]

I feel PK is relatively balanced in terms of continents, except SA and Africa are a bit light

T. mcraeensis is the ultimate nothing choice ngl

[lean hound]

Rubbish vs trash

[feral cedar]

We don't need a third tyrannosaurin

[still plover]

Lusotitan and giraffa would be cool alts to brachio

Giraffa would give an option to have the jurassic park Brachiosaurus in game while also giving africa another genus and luso gives europe another one

[slim flare]

If it wasn’t a Tyrannosaurus species, we’d need never discuss it

[slim flare]

Is Daspletosaurus a Tyrannosaurin?

[still plover]

Don't want it as another stand in, as an alt genus replacing one of the t-rex skins similair to tarbo

[flint sable]

I would say that depends whether or not your talking about mammals or dinosaurs

[feral cedar]

I mean Giraffatitan seems like one of those "easy to make" animals that could be easy DLC material, and Lusotitan an alt based on it

[feral cedar]

Not in my book, no

[flint sable]

in terms of dinosaurs id say this is true, but objectively every continent except for maybe eurasia needs more mammals

[slim flare]

Hmmmmm

[flint sable]

and antarctica ofc

[slim flare]

Mammals need something for everywhere except Eurasia

[alpine thicket]

I mean Zucheng is cool but I don't want it in PK.

[flint sable]

ye

even then I wouldnt be complaining if we got more eurasian stuff if it isnt pleistocene

like ambulocetus for example

[slim flare]

Australia is empty, SA is nearly empty (1 unique species), NA is not much better (2 unique species) and I think Africa is empty too?

[still plover]

Cryolophosaurus and maybe an extinct false penguin would be cool

[lean hound]

Asia could get some more stuff

[flint sable]

false?

wrong pole

[slim flare]

Why Asia over Europe?

[flint sable]

the giant penguins of ancient times were indeed true penguins

[slim flare]

I think Asia has more than Europe rn

[still plover]

Australovenator, Minmi, Koolasuchus and maybe diamantasaurus would be cool additions, can't forget Kronosaurus

[feral cedar]

I'm pretty sure Asia and Europe were pretty similar in general fauna during the Pleistocene

[flint sable]

ye

[lean hound]

Not in mammals

[slim flare]

Can you prove it?

[flint sable]

I mean

[slim flare]

Aren’t all three Paraceratherium species Asia?

[flint sable]

pretty much all of the ice age mammals that have digsites in europe also lived in asia

[lean hound]

No 💔

[flint sable]

as penguin said

[still plover]

If it's closeley related to the false antarctic "penguins" we have today it isn't a penguin

Puffins are more closeley related to penguins than "penguins"

The great auk is the treu penguin

[lean hound]

Forgot about those

[feral cedar]

I think Minmi got the Troodon treatment and we're supposed to say Kunbarrasaurus now

[flint sable]

ok buddy

[still plover]

Never heard of kunbarra but ok

[flint sable]

identity theft isnt a joke, but once identity theft becomes consensus everyone goes along with it

thats the rulez

take it up with the common name people

[still plover]

Procoptodon, diprotodon and maybe brontornis would be cool species too

[feral cedar]

He's not wrong, but he's also not... right

[flint sable]

.

[still plover]

Manospondylus gigas

[flint sable]

that wasnt ever consensus

[slim flare]

Both:
Woolly mammoth
Woolly rhinoceros
Megaloceros
Steppe lion

Europe:
Giant cave bear

Asia:
Paraceratherium x2
Juxia
Elasmotherium (effectively)
Sinotherium

[feral cedar]

another victim of this is the red panda

[flint sable]

some nerd brought it up and all the other nerds were like, ok thats cool, but we gon ignore that

[flint sable]

also if ambulocetus comes, that will be an additional one for asia

just as a footnote

[lean hound]

😬

[feral cedar]

Fun fact: the guy actually pointed out correctly that Manospondylus was the rightful name for Tyrannosaurus, and then big paleo made a rule that names become forgotten and invalid if they haven't been used in published literature for over 50 years, just to preserve Tyrannosaurus as a genus

[flint sable]

ok gotchu

so basically

[alpine thicket]

good because Manospondylus is a lame name

[slim flare]

True

[still plover]

Theropoda

• Acrocanthosaurus
• Albertosaurus
• Allosaurus
• Australovenator
• Baryonyx
• Carchardontosaurus
• Carnotaurus
• Ceratosaurus
• Coelophysis
• Compsognathus
• Concavenator
• Cryolophosaurus
• Deinocheirus
• Deinonychus
• Dilophosaurus
• Dryptosaurus
• Gallimimus
• Gigantoraptor
• Guanlong
• Herrerasaurus
• Majungasaurus
• Masiakasaurus
• Megalosaurus
• Mononykus
• Ornithomimus
• Oviraptor
• Qianzhousaurus
• Spinosaurus
• Suchomimus
• Therizinosaurus
• Tyrannosaurus
• Utharaptor
• Velociraptor
• Yangchuangosaurus
• Yutyrannus

Sauropodamorpha

• Amargasaurus
• Apatosaurus
• Argentinosaurus
• Brachiosaurus
• Camarasaurus
• Diplodocus
• Mamenchisaurus
• Nigersaurus
• Plateosaurus
• Saltasaurus

Marginocephalia

• Einiosaurus
• Nasutoceratops
• Pachycephalosaurus
• Pachyrhinosaurus
• Protoceratops
• Psittacosaurus
• Regaliceratops
• Styracosaurus
• Triceratops

Thyreophorans

• Ankylosaurus
• Edmontonia
• Huayangosaurus
• Miragaia
• Polacanthus
• Sauropelta
• Scelidosaurus
• Stegosaurus

Ornithopods

• Dryosaurus
• Edmontosaurus
• Iguanodon
• Lambeosaurus
• Leaellynasaura
• Maiasaura
• Muttaburasaurus
• Ouranosaurus
• Parasaurolophus
• Tenontosaurus

Have a list of genera I would like to see, it has a few already in game but this was some bs related to minecraft, just too lazy to remove those animals

[flint sable]

identity theft isnt a joke, but if either everyone decides it's ok or if everyone collectively ignores it, it exists

[slim flare]

No Kentrosaurus?

[still plover]

Didn't want to add to much

[feral cedar]

Does the "BS related to Minecraft" involve Fossils and Archeology by any chance

[still plover]

No, it looks like straight ass, those pixels are so big

It doesn't fit in with minecraft at all

[feral cedar]

wouldn't outright call it straight ass but they definitely could up the resolution a little bit

[slim flare]

Other than a few theropods I think are unnecessary or have better tax equivalents (Australovenator, Dryptosaurus, Megalosaurus), it’s a solid list

[feral cedar]

Who do you consider better than Australovenator

[still plover]

It's my prefered megaraptorid

Prefer it over megaraptor and maip

[feral cedar]

That thing is somehow in the upper echelon of megaraptorid preservation

Also it's kinda iconic, called the "cheetah" of its time or whatever, and bonus points for being Aussie

[alpine thicket]

I don't 100% recall the details but Australovenator unfortunately has some issues unless you want it to be the only megaraptoran.

Meanwhile most of the others are seemingly closer related and thus could cover multiple species with alts.

[still plover]

Having an australian genus is worth the trade off, still want giraffa and lusotitan as brachio alts

And Megalosaurus as Torvosaurus alt

[short rover]

Megaraptor with an Australo alt would be ideal

IMO

[still plover]

If it's too distantly related from the base genus they won't do it

[alpine thicket]

I'd like to get Australo in, but I've seen mention of potential issues with being able to make it an alt before.

[short rover]

Not true

[alpine thicket]

And I really want Maip and Mega.

Also yeah that's not true.

The anatomy just has to be close enough for the model to work.

[short rover]

I’ve heard them and I don’t buy them at all, Australo is frag as hell and they can use growth stages for the alts completely fine

[coarse inlet]

Australovenator looks very different

IDK why people are obsessed with dying on this hill

[short rover]

So does a young Rex compared to an adult ingame

[coarse inlet]

the South American clade is very distinct

[ancient ibex]

The only separation Europe and Asia have is cultural

[coarse inlet]

they're at least as different as Acrocanthosaurus and Carcharodontosaurus

[short rover]

?? Wanting an animal ingame using a reasonable and proven fashion is dying on a hill it seems

[coarse inlet]

there's some biogeographic barriers due to mountains but not nearly as much as between other continents

though idk if that separation is more than, say, India from the rest of Asia

[still plover]

Only 2 continent's that I find it valid to mix, I view them as seperate cause that's what was teached to me when I was young but yeah it's not some small lang bridge but a giant ass erea where they are connected

[coarse inlet]

or North America east and west of the Rockies

[ancient ibex]

India has FAR more of a claim to continentdom than Europe in anything but culture

[coarse inlet]

yeah, fair enough

[still plover]

Fair enough

[ancient ibex]

Biogeographical areas are far more valid than continents for this kind of stuff anyway

[coarse inlet]

the idea that ontogeny would magically make two very different species separated by a very long time and two continents viable alts

the animations would need to be different because of how distinct the forelimbs are

[ancient ibex]

So, animals whose differences are overstated?

[coarse inlet]

not in the way the game reconstructs them

two animals in the same family don't necessarily make good alts

with the exception of Juxia, every alt is at most the sister genus to the main species

it's not just "any animal in the family that has the same general body shape"

[short rover]

Time and distance literally has nothing to do with it and yea ontogeny would do that fine

Unless you think Australovenator is more different than megaraptor than nanotyrannus (which is what the baby rex ingame is based on) and rex

[coarse inlet]

what?

that doesn't make any sense

[short rover]

Why

[coarse inlet]

Because the juvenile rex in game literally couldn't be made to look completely like Nanotyrannus due to the ontogeny system

[short rover]

Not at all what I said

[coarse inlet]

just like how either Megaraptor or Australovenator would need to be messed with in order to make them alts

[short rover]

Not sure you understand what I’m saying

[coarse inlet]

apparently not

do you think Nanotyrannus should be added as a T. rex alt?

because I don't

[short rover]

No lol

[coarse inlet]

then what is your point???

[short rover]

Im just saying it would feasibly be possible

[coarse inlet]

IF you were to not do a rigorous reconstruction of the animal, sure

[short rover]

And I don’t think the difference between Australo and megaraptor is enough to justify seperate slots

Where it would for nano and rex

I just used the nano rex example to show that animals can have different proportions ingame as they grow

[coarse inlet]

I'd rather not get Australovenator than get a half-assed verision personally

alts work because they're using VERY similar animals

the nano rex example also shows that said differences are still limited

hance why it didnt end up looking exactly like Nanotyrannus

[slim flare]

Megaraptor

[rigid spindle]

@vital grove updated the sketch

[vital grove]

looks great although maybe when you finalize the degin make it a little longer in terms of body

tail is fine but skinks look weird

keep the chubbyness though maybe 10-15% longer body trust me it will make it look great

maybe even 20% with the head size

although slithtly thicker legs would be needed by then

very slightly though

the head is damn perfect though

[rigid spindle]

This better?

[shy vale]

no, unlike troodon, minmi is still valid

it's just that the more well-preserved fossil that was previously associated with it is now kunbarrasaurus

more like giraffatitan situation

[plush nacelle]

Aint it much overstated?

Rex and deinocheirus use same forelimb animations

Maybe I am looking at wrong places, but in australovenator case it seems claw for me is just more hook like

[lean hound]

What is the bs related to Minecraft

[median glen]

Tarchia

[cosmic cosmos]

i also like saichania and pinaco as potential alts

[vital grove]

yeah perfect

[true pivot]

Really loving the idea of Psilopterus being a candidate for a terrestrial vivarium (with Kelenken being an exhibit animal). They compare favorably to secretary birds in size but obviously aren't capable of flight. The AZA studbook says secretary birds' optimal enclosure size is 18 x 19 x 4.5 meters but I imagine those dimensions account for flight. Comes up to 1,539 cubic meters compared to 1,536 for the largest ingame vivarium. Problem is I can see them being limited to 1-2 individuals ingame just like AZA recommends for secretary birds IRL. So they may need more dynamic animations than other vivarium critters to make up for the low number

[strong ermine]

I don't think I see it here, but I'd love the therizinosaurus. Also, both have def been mentioned but ceratosaurus and allosaurus!!

[silver steeple]

Theri is one of the most requested animals, Cerato is probably coming eventually and Allo is literally in the next update

[strong ermine]

I might have spelt theri wrong then or something I was searching up what I was suggesting to check if many others had suggested it and it didn't pop up 💔

That's my bad, I was confused... like it's nowhere NEAR an underground dino

Also I'm pretty new to the game and just joined the server like in the past hour.. so excuse me I didn't know about the allosaurus thing, i figured it'd be soon since it's such a well known dinosaur 😅

Ceratosaurus is just my favorite dinosaur so ofcourse I'm going to suggest that one no matter what

[true pivot]

#announcements message allo info here

[strong ermine]

Thank you so much!

I was looking in game updates for some reason 😅

[silver steeple]

You can see new info on the game in both the monthly devlogs and the trello

[strong ermine]

Okay! Thank you

[silver steeple]

https://www.prehistorickingdom.com/news/diary46

Here's last months with lots of allo info

[strong ermine]

Oh that model looks so cool from what I can see, already excited..

[silver steeple]

https://trello.com/b/JAp8HMuy/prehistoric-kingdom-public-roadmap

[carmine spade]

I know people have brought up Uintatherium in the past, and a few have brought up Eobasileus (which I think could definitely work as an alt), but I think it’d be cool if, alongside those two, there was the smaller U. insperatus as well. It’s got distinct horns, is Chinese instead of American, and is quite a bit smaller than the other two. Three weird early mammals in one, with some good size diversity to boot (though it would be a lot of extra work for an already niche animal.)
(Images by Borophagus on Wikimedia, edited for scale. Scale on the Eobasileus silhouette is much rougher than for U. insperatus)

[cosmic cosmos]

Psilopterus is big enough for proper exhibits

[true pivot]

Standing under a meter tall and weighing up to 8kg is pushing it imo.

That’s why I compared them to secretary birds. Similar height, weight, and lifestyle while being kept in real-life exhibits comparable to ingame vivariums

[flint sable]

cant fly tho

[true pivot]

Which I mentioned in my original message

[flint sable]

also thats decidedly taller than velo, psittaco, and leally albeit not quite as long

I could really see it in either

[true pivot]

Yeah I think it could go either way

I just think the streamlined development process for vivarium animals than exhibit animals is very appealing

Like we know it takes about $12K and several months to implement a single exhibit species. If we can get, say, three vivarium species for the resources that go into a single exhibit animal I feel it’s worth pursuing when it’s a coin flip like this

[shy vale]

if arthropleura shows up will it be vivarium like titanoboa?

[carmine spade]

Oh yeah like 100%, IIRC like ages ago the devs said they couldn’t add it for the same reason as Titanoboa (complex animations for pathfinding) which is something vivariums solve

[shy vale]

i see

[nova glacier]

How many messages

[slim flare]

1000k+ (25+ New)

[smoky spear]

mau will get taxed by discord for this thread alone

[mint creek]

Real PK fans don't even play the game, all they do is suggest species for it

[cosmic cosmos]

truth nova

[smoky spear]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sonic-cd-sonic-the-hedgehog-9--k01KRZFV2JC0YPBNH3KJSTDKHZJ

[vital grove]

https://tenor.com/view/konya-gif-27452116

[amber field]

Play it until meet there standards of animal roster, because the roster now is too generic

[burnt gate]

Tbf we have zero dinosaurs from Appalachia

[amber field]

Ahh , acro ?

[burnt gate]

Idk to much but, wasn’t acro native to Texas and Oklahoma and only some teeth that could be it’s?

[amber field]

I think acro was before the formation of the wastren interior sea way

[peak hazel]

acro is around at the beginning of the seaways formation

[amber field]

Was in Eastern side right ?

[peak hazel]

probably both

[smoky spear]

theres some fossil on maryland i think?

and honestly its not that surprising something close to if not the genus was present across north america back then

there are teeth from korea that resemble its teeth the most and from similar temperal tange

[peak hazel]

I hope some more material gets found for that

[ancient ibex]

The associated carch material of Eocarcharia (not the name bearing Suchomimus element) tends to pop up as sister to Acro

"Afrocanthosaurus" would be an apt name

[flint sable]

this is only approximately 5% of #pk-discussion 's message count, about 10% of #science-chat 's message count, and about 85k short of #pk-screenshots message count; however it is approximately nine times as much as #pk-prefabs 's message count

just as refference

[peak hazel]

Alticanthosaurus

[mint creek]

You've got to remember that this thread has only existed for about a year while the server is 10 years old

[slim flare]

Dryptosaurus? Hadrosaurus?

[alpine thicket]

We have some and also some really fragmentary stuff as I recall so

[flint sable]

Ye I was just making a co.parison

[burnt gate]

i meant within the game

[slim flare]

Should have read the context

[amber field]

I say the one after equus have three letters Moa

[mint creek]

They're all by their scientific names so I think that one's Bos

[amber field]

Yeah probably that

[mint creek]

I think the one below (maybe) Bos is two species of Moa (Dinornis robustus and I can't make out the second species) since it looks like they're a slash and another capital letter in the second word

but this might just be me being deranged

[amber field]

Yeah probably Bos

[polar tinsel]

I'm 90% positive that third line says: "Pinguinus (Great Auk)"

[tawdry marlin]

Yeah the one below Quagga is definitely Aurochs

[polar tinsel]

Also I'm second and third word in last bold word are "Passaneger" and "Pigeon", with fourth word being in brackets

So I'm guessing first word is "Ectopistes" and last word is "(Vivarium)"

[left spear]

No pinguinus It seems

[polar tinsel]

Third line

[still plover]

More elephants would be cool to see

I would like deinotherium, paleoloxodon and more mammoths

Columbian and pygmy mammoths would be cool alt species to the woolly

For paleo i would like antiquus, falconeri and namadicus

[still plover]

Hopefully this pack gets steller sea cows too when aquatics get added

[vital grove]

finally some birds

[mild rose]

Yeeeaaaaaahhhhh so excited for these guys!!

We get the moa, the dodo, the penguin, the carolina parakeet, and the passenger pigeon. Bird houses are going to flourish!!!

[still plover]

So we can expect to see 5 habitat genera and 3 vivvariums each dlc

[mild rose]

They might not stick to that exact plan

[still plover]

More flying animals would be cool too, a few dinobirds as i like to call them like confuciusornis aswell as small pterosaurs and a few carboniferous insects would work well for this

Larger pterosaurs, argentavis and the haast eagles should be in actual aviaries

[polar tinsel]

Also it's 6 habiats, 2 viviariums in this pack

[still plover]

oh

So i though aurochs was gonna be a vivvarium species

it would be funny if for an april fools update they put bruhatkayosaurus as a vivvarium animal

[polar tinsel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurochs

[mild rose]

I would love to see falcatakely someday. Would go alongside the other mesozoic madagascar animals

[mint creek]

Sticking Bos in a vivarium cause I'm bored

[still plover]

Albertosaurus Sarcopghagus/Gorgosaurus Libratus
Alioramus Altai/Alioramus Remotus/Qianzhousaurus
Dryptosaurus Aquilunguis
Guanlong Wucaii/Proceratosaurus Bradleyi
Tarbosaurus Bataar/Tyrannosaurus Rex/Zhuchengtyrannus Magnus
Yutyrannus Huali

Wishlist of Tyrannosaurs

[peak hazel]

nah they'll never add Tyrannosaurus rex

way too obscure

[still plover]

Manospondylus Gigas supremacy

[mint creek]

What is Tyrannosaurus Rex

[still plover]

A fake dinosaur

[opaque drift]

Atopodentatus

[primal gyro]

PK Fans don't even suggest species anymore they just look at you like this

[flint sable]

wait a minute

hold on

great auk isnt vivarium?

thats kind of a surprise

wait...

https://tenor.com/view/jaggydohwhift-gif-4809714047911999977

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-think-thinking-hmm-gif-11570469479394618754

https://tenor.com/view/doing-the-math-thinking-gif-20634871

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-realization-sudden-realization-shocked-zoom-gif-25552925

[fiery crow]

WHERE’S STELLER’S SEA COW

[flint sable]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-crush-crusher-skull-halloween-gif-26163235

also objectively these are better picks

i like da birds

[flint sable]

oh btw this probably isnt right

but

if great auk not vivarium

aquatics first?

[mint creek]

probably being kept for an aquatics expansion

[plush nacelle]

If great auk is correct then I am not sure at this point whats the consensus regarding vivarium size

[flint sable]

Ye

[plush nacelle]

Some people claim dodo might not be big enough, but even dodo is really big compared to it

[flint sable]

Because it's smaller than mono and objectively fits vivs better

So who knows

[flint sable]

This is also somewhat close to my guess / dlc I made In here

Only major thing is less alts and no warrah

Scenery a Little different too

[mint creek]

Looks about correct for exhibit

[plush nacelle]

This image I believe is what make people think auk is big enough

[mint creek]

It is big enough

[vital grove]

its taller than laelly

so its good

[mint creek]

People focus way too much on size imo. I think Mononykus was chosen for vivarium's because it, and especially it's babies would be quite spindly and gracile making them frustrating to select and move as exhibit animals.

[frosty heron]

I like great auk being free-roam

a small thing that likes boreal, water and verticality has incredible potential for cool builds

[mint creek]

Great Auk is about the same size as Mononykus but is pretty bulky and round, it's more similar in dimensions to Psittacosaurus than Mononykus.

[fresh ember]

I'm curious as to what would work with it as alts, assuming recently extinct animals would even get alt skins.

[vital grove]

equus ig

[amber field]

Moa too

[fresh ember]

I meant alts as in actual skins.

Like, what would work for Great Auks in particular?

[amber field]

I think we still lesser auk

Which is closely related to it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razorbill

[vital grove]

thb with animals where we know the colours just the mutations are enough in my opinion

[fresh ember]

I'm pretty sure one of the prerequisites for an addition to PK is that it has to be extinct.

[vital grove]

maybe add a pied skin for it irl its a mutation but it can work as an alternate skin

[fresh ember]

Even that aside, razorbills can fly.

[amber field]

There were multiple tiger species that had gone extinct

[left spear]

Might just be a semi

[amber field]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinguinus_alfrednewtoni

[fresh ember]

OK, that one works.

[amber field]

I think there is one but it's from the Pliocene

Intersting the fossils found in NC

[vital grove]

i mean semiaquatics are a perfect test ground for improved swimming

[amber field]

Steller's sea cow is the prefect choice in my opinion

[vital grove]

genuinely feel like we might get diving on deino

[amber field]

It doesn't even need a diving mechanic

[fresh ember]

I think the problem for the sea cow is that even though it was pretty much incapable of diving, it's still a marine mammal and the game isn't really set up for that.

[amber field]

Wdym ? It can as foundation

[cosmic cosmos]

pelagornis comes from the same formation, could be a neat addition

[amber field]

One of the last species that's cool !!

[silver steeple]

There's one from Miocene California as well

Misremembered, I guess these are also Pliocene but are in a different genus

Mancalla

Seems it may be debated between late Miocene and early Pliocene but point stands

[slim flare]

If not in the RE DLC, the giant elephant bird needs in

[glass snow]

maybe another cenozoic dlc for aepy

[cosmic cosmos]

there are enough good re species to make like 3 packs lol

[slim flare]

Or Africa

[cosmic cosmos]

esp if we get fliers and aquatics

[slim flare]

Or Madagascar…

[left spear]

Madagascar alone could have like 2 and a half dlcs

Hell there could be a whole RE focused exclusively on Madagascar

[glass snow]

The insane amount of Lemurs, Majunga, Aepy, Falcatakely, Masiakasaurus

the hippos, and many many more cenozoics

Jurassic or Cretaceous China could be its own dlc

[slim flare]

Yeah, maybe the small elephant bird, giant fossa and Rapetosaurus can go on the contender list

[coarse inlet]

Also those cool Permian semiaquatics for vivariums

[fiery crow]

Mesosaurus for sure

I’d say Mesosaurus is borderline mandatory honestly

[vital grove]

1 recent madagascar dlc and another with everything older thats cool from there could work

[lean hound]

Two dlcs centred around madagascar feels a little ambitious

[vital grove]

not really theres plenty to work with

[slim flare]

No

[lean hound]

Not what I mean

[slim flare]

Definitely never happening

[lean hound]

I mean it's ambitious to expect two dlcs centred around a single island when dev resources are limited

I do like the idea of a general madagascar dlc tho

[slim flare]

The template is 6 habitat, 2 vivarium
Recent Madagascar can’t fill that alone

[coarse inlet]

I was thinking of Claudiosaurus and Hovasaurus

[vital grove]

it totally can

[slim flare]

Name them

But regardless, never happening

Combined Madagascar is our best bet

[coarse inlet]

Is there anything saying that’s the standard?

[slim flare]

No but that’s what the RE one is

[coarse inlet]

A sample size of one is hardly definitive

[slim flare]

So that’s the only known acceptable format

[vital grove]

archaeoindris, dwarf hippo, giant fossa, aepyornis, voay robustus, possibly a exhibit babboon lemur

[slim flare]

But it’s all we got so

We have to use it

[vital grove]

pick anything you want for the vivs

[slim flare]

How big is the giant fossa?

[lean hound]

I think a general dlc for any specific place is more logical than a specific time period

for all dlcs

[vital grove]

we dont have to argue about this that will all be up to the devs and probably what profit the dlcs make

[lean hound]

I wouldn't like getting 2 dlcs with the same theme in a row

[slim flare]

Yeah