Community Species Suggestions

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Deinosuchus has a lot of species

[shy vale]

could it actually be sarcosuchus?

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No

[shy vale]

why not?

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I mean it’s completely different from Deinosuchus

[shy vale]

i see then

but more different than juxia is from paraceratherium?

[peak hazel]

yes

[slim flare]

By a lot

Deinosuchus has really weird body proportions

And Sarcosuchus is a long-snouted boy

[peak hazel]

also Deinosuchus is closer to true Crocodilians while Sarcosuchus is a Tethysuchian(?)

I don't know if its a consistent placement

[shy vale]

i see i guess

[burnt shore]

I would recommend alanops and Austrolimulus

[shy vale]

yeah i see it

[dull prism]

Purro is closer to Deino so it’s a lot more likely

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Is Purro a bobble-headed bitch?

It’s at least closer than I thought

[left spear]

They don't reallu work as alt

Evolutioary issues aside they just have different locomotion

[slim flare]

Nah, and it’s good to give Deinosuchus an alt species from within its genus

[left spear]

However it'd be funny i won't claim otherwise

[left spear]

Honestly make riograndensis the "main" one with a hatcheri alt

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Why?

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Like

80% of deino stuff is riograndensis

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Aren’t most species teeth and/or osteoderms?

[left spear]

for the most part

but riograndensis is the most well understood one by a wide margin

Hatcheri is not even the second most complete species iirc

And rio still keeps basically all of hatcheri's qualities

You can probably get to hatcheri size with nursery override

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Why even have hatcheri?

[left spear]

I guess it's the original one

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I think I agree on having D. riograndensis and D. schwimmeri

[left spear]

Now that you mention it i might rather have schwimmeri instead yeah

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Size variation and preserved enough to maybe have some physical distinctions

[left spear]

Yeah

For skins with riograndensis go for american alligator and an original one and give schwimmeri one based on a cuvier's caiman

[outer moth]

Wait what

A second carni?

[mint creek]

Yeah

newly added to the trello today

[left spear]

I mean

Do we actually known that lol

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?

[left spear]

Might have been added when the ptb dropped and we just didn't notice

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I mean sure, but that’s 24 hours off

[hollow flower]

I think you can see dates on when trello things are added

[mint creek]

Might have been but I don't care enough to be pedantic about this

Noticed today, probably added today

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Point is, very recently

[left spear]

Wtf why did it feels like it dropped 4 days ago 💀

I swear it felt like that

Exam week is melting my brain

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But yeah, I think it should be D. riograndensis and D. schwimmeri, D. hatcheri might as well be dubious

[mint creek]

Was added 10 hours ago

[left spear]

Oh damm

we caught it fairly quickly then

I think it's also interesting to consider the option that it's actually a viv

Although i can't think of any amphibious viv that would be carnivorous rather than piscivorous

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Shit, is the type of D. hatcheri from Judith River?

[left spear]

Yup

Hatcheri does have cool formations

Judith particullary

That image quality 💔

well it also has Dasp and hesperornis

[slim flare]

Judith River is pretty cool… but I think PK has nothing from there?

[left spear]

I could see one or two alts

But yeah it kidna gets outtaxoned by most of it's neighbours

[slim flare]

Hopefully they don’t go with hatcheri…

[hollow flower]

Whats the difference between all the Deino species?

[left spear]

Hatcheri is very scappy but the biggest

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Is it?

[left spear]

Riograndensis is a bit smaller but the most well known by a lot

Schwimerii is the smaller

Rugosus is... one of the species of all time

[left spear]

Actually with the new recon riograndensis might be bigger

[slim flare]

I hope schwimmeri is false gharial-like as a WWD reference

And the riograndensis can have one greenish and one black

[silver steeple]

Disagree tbh

Deino has 2 species perfect for alts, the smaller one is built to be an ontogeny alt

[silver steeple]

Ftr, all the western species are probably a single species

Afaik it's not like an official thing necessarily, but the 2020 schwinmeri paper mentioned it being very likely

[left spear]

Wonder what stance they'll take

[silver steeple]

The devs normally go for the type species (I only know of a single example where that isn't the case) so I'd expect it to be hatcheri

Likely with a schwinmeri alt

If they do rugosus or riograndensis it's far from like the end of the world

But it would be a little odd considering the track record so far

[left spear]

Instead of hatcheri make all 3 of Deinosuchus' skins Purussaurus

Simple as

[plush nacelle]

Just read about diplocaulus case

[low bridge]

We have Diplocaulus now it is time for Diplodocus

[plush nacelle]

Wouldnt be surprised with riograndensis, if it is really this better understood

[silver steeple]

I guess that's the second

Micro is the one I was referring to

[plush nacelle]

Another I can think about, but it is rather controversial is peltephilus

In game one judging by size and formation is pumilus, but it use ferox name instead

[silver steeple]

Something extra notable is that all 3 of these are vivs

I don't know of any example that's a full habitat animal

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In this case the type may be dubious though, idk if that would sway them towards riograndensis

[plush nacelle]

Not relevant anymore, but I recall paraceratherium was originally intented to launch without type species as alt

[polar tinsel]

I have no idea what each species has going for it, but whichever is the biggest has to make it as one of the alts

[vital grove]

ramoceros a assymetrical pronghorn

[silver steeple]

We have several dubious species/genera already, I don't think one more is gonna make much difference

Especially considering all 3 western species are practically the same externally (and probably phylogenetically) anyway

[drowsy kettle]

Suchomimus, Diplodocus, Anzu, Giganotosaurus and Carnotaurus

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Several? I think I only know of one

[silver steeple]

Ugru, and soon Saurophaganax

I was thinking there was another but I guess not

[slim flare]

Unless they do A. anax

Which is implied

Being a future dubious taxon notwithstanding

[silver steeple]

Its really not better lol

[silver steeple]

Sort of

Everything up til a devlog or two ago said Sauro so until we have official word I'm sticking with it

[slim flare]

That’s a boldface lie and you know it

A crappy Allosaurus is better than an unidentifiable vertebra

At least one is diagnostic to a genus

[silver steeple]

When the only diagnostic trait tying multiple individuals together is size? Its really not any better lol

[slim flare]

Better than what?

The vertebra we don’t even know if it’s a theropod or not? And it likely isn’t?

[silver steeple]

The point is that neither are diagnostic

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Yeah I think A. anax is crappy too, but you’re fooling no one acting like Saurophaganax is even close to it

[silver steeple]

I'm not trying to fool anyone

I am stating that both are bad and undiagnostic

[slim flare]

But that’s wrong

A. anax does have diagnostic features, or at least alleged ones that haven’t been challenged yet

And regardless, it’s identifiable to a genus, while Saurophaganax isn’t even identifiable to Theropoda

I hope they A. anax, as that’s the right thing to do

[median glen]

Is lokicerarops dubious? cause it has a sick skull

[outer moth]

Platyhystrix would be a neat lil vivarium critter

[left spear]

Dimetronot

[low bridge]

I'd love to see one day in Prehistoric Kingdom a Pentaceratops

[short rover]

Trug

[desert flame]

I hope the newly added carnivorous animals are new vivarium animal.

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Deinosuchus 2

[left spear]

Unrelated but discord just scrolled me up for reason and i saw this

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Probably a small species of Deinosuchus

[left spear]

Why are they using Victoria Louise as the size comparaison

Is this the Kaiserboo equivalent to anime girls

[burnt shore]

I love that frog

[desert flame]

Beelzebufo is perfectly suited for vivarium.

[vital grove]

tbf since vivariums dont have breeding anyway it should be in the terrestrial vivarium though

modern horned toads and cane toads spend most of their time on land

[desert flame]

yes
If it's amphibious, Beelzebufo 'll drown.

[fiery crow]

Trilophosuchus

[short rover]

Ooooo cool

Yea my moneys on a deino alt

So hatcheri (riograndensis) and then a schwimmeri alt as a smaller one

Would be awesome for semi aquatic diversity tbh

[vital grove]

tbf its easy to turn a croc into another genus to

i think crocs that dont dive would be weird so im curious what they do there

[peak hazel]

depends on the crocodile

the big 3 don't work as alts of each other in any way

different taxonomically, proportionally, locomotionally

[vital grove]

but they do offer rig that can be re used veeeeryyyy easily

[peak hazel]

Sarcosaurus as a Deinosuchus alt is the same as Tylosaurus as a Mosasaurus alt

[vital grove]

idk about different locomotion between sarco, purra and deino they still all have the overall body plan of a crocodile

[short rover]

A croc that swims on the surface

[vital grove]

it would look so weird tbh

[peak hazel]

depends

[short rover]

Would be a tad awkward but I don’t see a meaningful difference between that and what spino does now

It’s just a reality of the way water is in the game and I’m fine living with that as opposed to never getting crocs

[vital grove]

it would be different but it would be way easier to re use this rig then with most other groups

since even phytosaurs could be made from such a base model

[short rover]

Considering deinocheirus and rex share a rig, rig sharing doesn’t seem like a very exclusive club

[peak hazel]

I think the same base rig would make sense but if the 4th guy is a crocodile it'll probably be another Deinosuchus

[short rover]

More than likely

Considering it seems to be a last minute inclusion

Reminds me of plateo getting an alt last minute

[vital grove]

and then it ends up being the most random animal no one thought of, would be funny

[short rover]

Beelzebufo mini

It won’t be that but would be funny

Tbh I think I’d prefer a deino alt considering we can get beelze whenever down the line (possibly in u19)

[vital grove]

yeah something small like that, it says carnivore so youd expect something big and then it turns out its repannomammus

[silver steeple]

Far worse tbh

[short rover]

For an aquatic themed update I’d accept didelphodon

[vital grove]

idk are there enough differences to make it worth it?

[short rover]

? Wdym

The size difference is more than enough for me

[vital grove]

between deinosuchus species

[short rover]

Yes

[vital grove]

except for size like you can achieve size with another genus like voay

[short rover]

Same level of difference between the two Plateo species (as in not much physical difference but the size difference makes for varied exhibit sizes ingame)

[vital grove]

sad i like the alts where you can tell its a different species by shape

[short rover]

I don’t mind both

This seems to be a case of “hey we can do this last minute, might as well throw it in” rather than “we planned an alt for this animal since the beginning but we’re gonna make it another deino rather than a distinct genera”

As I said, if my theory is correct, plateosaurus would be the best comparison

[vital grove]

yeah its either an alt or vivarium animal that 100%

would deinosuchus have any closely related genera

[short rover]

A smaller croc from the dinosaur park I forget the name of

That’s abt it

[vital grove]

then it legit turns out to be beelzebufo lol

wetland pack

update sorry

sounds about right

[silver steeple]

The head shapes are fairly different

[vital grove]

then its interesting

[short rover]

Ah are they?

[silver steeple]

Schwinmeri doesn't have the giant snout bump

[short rover]

Either way I feel my plateo comparison generally works

[silver steeple]

It's kinda equivalent to like young vs old niles/salties I think?

Yeah

[short rover]

That’s neat

[alpine thicket]

If we get a Deino alt I'd love for one of them to have a skin modeled on Tomistoma.

[plush nacelle]

Deinosuchus rig is not really usefull

You have basic shape, but then animation set coming alongside it is not making other crocs any easier to make

[left spear]

Doesn't really fit the update theme

And it wouldn't be an amphibious terrarium animal

[silver steeple]

That's just untrue tbh

[cinder token]

The images from the old Kickstarter builds had the devs earmark H. horridus and H. gigas, so that is probably what they will go with.

[short rover]

The frog doesn’t fit the wetland update?

[alpine thicket]

frogs known for hating wetlands, actually

they prefer only the driest mountaintops and the most desolate deserts

[plush nacelle]

Untrue. How. In PZ giant otter and beaver share exactly same rig and you probably wouldnt say having giant otter made beaver easier

[short rover]

tbf there are desert frogs

[silver steeple]

I think a lot of people think of beelze as more toad like than it was

[alpine thicket]

i know but you know it's a joke okay

[alpine thicket]

I mean yes it did though.

They share a rig

[silver steeple]

Sure it wasn't spending as much time in the water as some frogs

[alpine thicket]

so they only needed one rig.

They didn't need to make a new rig for either animal since they already had it.

[plush nacelle]

Making rig takes about few days at best

Animation set is what requires the most work

[silver steeple]

Yes and having a rig to go off of expedites the process

Many times a rig will have some animations baked in

[vital grove]

horned toads live in very humid areas they arent like cane toads that can just live in australia, id assume beelzebufo to live similarly as their body shape is very similar

[alpine thicket]

okay so how would not having another "standard"(in terms of resembling extant crocs) crocodilian animated already not make it easier to make others on top of the rig?

I'm confused

like

[silver steeple]

See all the ceratopsians (sans taco)

[alpine thicket]

walking will be pretty similar for any crocodilian with that bodyplan

[silver steeple]

They all share many animations

Most of the theropods share tons of basic animations

[plush nacelle]

Cause belly sliding is so different it would affect most other animations on land

Unless they will make deinosuchus act like other crocs then fine, I agree

[alpine thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-anime-cute-chibi-confused-gif-16978993

[left spear]

Beelzebufo not much

[vital grove]

with certain specific exceptions pretty much

[short rover]

It’s a water animal man, you’re being overly pedantic

[vital grove]

only during mating and larval stage

[left spear]

It isn't a total mismatch but like there are more fitting amphibians let alone vivs

[short rover]

Source??

Or are we just making shit up now

[left spear]

Beelzebufo would probably drown in an amphibious terrarium

[short rover]

I’d agree but beelze is pretty popular

[left spear]

I mean fair but like

[vital grove]

pac man frogs....

[left spear]

Honestly id rather have like, Castorocauda

Or Champo

[short rover]

They’re not even closely related to my knowledge

[left spear]

(Their anatomy is very similar tbf)

[vital grove]

true but its supposed live a very similar lifestyle

and pac mans burrow halfway into the soil and sit there for a week getting moisture from rain mist and the soil

[short rover]

Either way pac man frogs live in wet environments and rely on water, which doesn’t invalidate my initial statement that beelzebufo would fit a wetland update completely fine

[vital grove]

then they get tired of the spot and poop in it to much so they move 40cm and do the same thing again

[left spear]

I feel like putting beel on an amphibian terrarium would be like putting Ambulo on a aquarium tank, like sure it's not utterly unfitting but idk doesn't feel right

[short rover]

I agree, but again, doesn’t make it not a fit for the wetland update

[left spear]

Fair

[short rover]

Not that I think that’s what the new meat eater is anyways

[left spear]

Unrelated but Beel is a great normal kingdom pick

[left spear]

Yeah it's like 80% Riograndensis

Or Schwimerii

I'd say the former

[vital grove]

all amphibians rely on water, i wouldnt mind it in a wetland update since its just a neat extra but its more logical for some jungle or madagascar themed thing

[short rover]

From reading Wikipedia it seems that Rio and hatcheri are considered synonyms atm

So I’m guessing one of those is labeled the big one then schwimmeri

[left spear]

Although i'm of the opinion of just ditching hatcheri and making Rio the main one with a schwimerii alt

Hatcheri is kind of a mess

But yeah it's just a name

[short rover]

Whatever gets us a big guy and a small guy

[left spear]

A. anax VS Sauro stuff

[short rover]

“Small” guy

[vital grove]

if thats true the most logical thing would be suchomimus or a vivarium animal. or just any other croc

[plush nacelle]

Depends on pac man frog

[short rover]

How is that the most logical thing lol

[left spear]

Although i'm more fond of riograndensis in the basis of not being very crappy remains wise

[plush nacelle]

Beelzebufo was described as similar to these found in dry climate

[left spear]

I'm like 95% confident that if added at all Sucho is a DLC animal

[short rover]

I’ll bet my life it’s not a brand new exhibit animal like sucho

[left spear]

It's just not making It to base game

[short rover]

It’s either a “low effort” alt that they threw in last minute for fun because they could or potentially a mini

Although I doubt that personally

[vital grove]

because having a deino alt especially if dubious dousnt sound logical

[short rover]

It’s not dubious

Riograndensis is known from good fossils

[left spear]

I mean there's still the old false hint of a semiaquatic mammal viv

[short rover]

I said hatcheri might be synonymous with it

[left spear]

That might have gotten revived

[short rover]

The semi aquatic mammal Viv was an assumption iirc?

[plush nacelle]

Mau lie

[short rover]

Like we knew we were getting a semi mammal and then minis so I thought it was assumed that one of the minis was a mammal before the teased list

[left spear]

Idk the weeks around the blurred roadmap are a tangled mess in my heaf

[short rover]

I could be misremembering

[plush nacelle]

Semi aquatic mammal was always exhibit species

[left spear]

Wouldn't It be hilarious if It ends up being like Obdurodon

[alpine thicket]

This is right.

[short rover]

Thought so

[left spear]

Tho sadly it would need to be a piscivore

[alpine thicket]

It was a misinterpretation.

[short rover]

If we get a semi aquatic mini mammal one day I’d like didelphodon

[left spear]

How semiaquatic was Didel again

[plush nacelle]

Very

[short rover]

I think it’s suggested to be otter like

[plush nacelle]

But I guess it would need to have new vivarium set-up with other more terrestrial semi-aquatic animals

[short rover]

i think it would be fine in a larger semi aquatic tank

[plush nacelle]

Current one have so much water animals often spend most of the time under surface. Would be weird to have didelphodon sometimes just swim in place

[short rover]

im sure the animation set would better reflect its behavior

[left spear]

Castorocauda fixes that

[short rover]

could see it climbing on some of the trees in the habitat

[short rover]

also a neat option

[left spear]

Also a largeish Jurassic mammal and Morrison rep

[plush nacelle]

Same as halszkaraptor or beelzebufo. New vivarium, which is in between terrestrial and current aquatic would be neat update

[short rover]

its not morrison?

[left spear]

Aside from Castorocauda my most wanted semiaquatic mammal might be Dharragarra

Funky fella

[short rover]

castorocauda is from china

[left spear]

Oh

[left spear]

Wasn't there a semiaquatic mammal in Morrison? I swore i thought there was

[left spear]

Wha

[short rover]

ah yes, the mini exhibit desmostylian

[left spear]

That's not Dharragarra

[short rover]

not to my knowledge, i could be wrong

[vital grove]

no but it is funnier

[left spear]

Ah

Lol fair

[short rover]

mini exhibit where the desmostylian is pressed against the glass on every side

[lean hound]

Are you thinking of that one beaver-like fella from the Kayenta Formation?

[short rover]

a gray cube encased in glass

[left spear]

Dharragarra is a funny proto-monotreme

[left spear]

Could be

[vital grove]

oh yeah i remember that one

yeah that would be sick

[plush nacelle]

Is dharragarra more than single bone?

Feels like it is, but I am not sure

[left spear]

I need either it or Obdurodon

[vital grove]

i think it had a skull... im not sure though

[lean hound]

This?

[vital grove]

nvm a partial jawbone

[left spear]

Might be why i mixed them up, i was thinking of true Castoro tho

[left spear]

I was happier in ignorance

[vital grove]

obdurodon did have a skull didnt it

[vital grove]

wasnt it also over 1m

[left spear]

Dicksoni (The larger species) does

[vital grove]

it could be enclosure especially with it being semiaquatic

they would be very visible on a sandy beach and in water

[left spear]

Honestly wouldn't mind It being Tharalkooschild and just base It on dicksoni and modern platypus

Doubt they would be that different either way

[plush nacelle]

Platypus is genuinely insane for being this small

[left spear]

And echidnas

[vital grove]

murrayglossus

[left spear]

Both are dwarfs compared to their relatives

[vital grove]

it might not have a known skull but it is complete enough that its placement as an echidna is valid

so it probably would still look like modern echidnas and thus could work in the game

i wish we had better monotreme material

i think its just murrayglossus and obdurodon that are barely complete enough

[left spear]

Just got reminded of that one random ass wolf-sized Pangolin from java

Fun beasty

[vital grove]

paleojavanicus?

how complete was it again

[left spear]

Yes

Don't remember the genus name

[plush nacelle]

Is it random, when ant eating mammals evolved equally big forms on other continents?

[vital grove]

manis i think

[left spear]

Unless it's the same as modern ones

[vital grove]

it is

so as long as its placement within the genus is valid it could be in the game no matter how complete

since we have direct modern comparison

it says its known from a nearly complete skeleton

sickkkkkkkkkk

mammal scelidosaurus vibes

[short rover]

a new normal kingdom candidate

[vital grove]

a niche one but who doesnt like a pangolin

especially one that looks like it could wrestle a black bear

theres also the giant civet although i cant find a lot of info on it but thats a solid enclosure civet

[shy vale]

we have cave lions already; having pleistocene "versions" of extant animals has long been a thing already

[vital grove]

what about an extinct petting zoo update with myotragus, nuralagus, falklands wolf(they were decribed as very passive) and the dodo

or like allow guests to enter certain enclosures and have small interactions with the animals (only for safe ones obviously)

[short rover]

yes...?

im aware

thats how the "normal kingdom" joke started in the first place

[shy vale]

i see

[limber needle]

ambulocetus duh

[low bridge]

Now it's time for Diplodocus, Ceratosaurus, Arctodus, Daeodon, Hyaenodon

[short rover]

They’re referring to the extra carnivore slot that was added yesterday

Ambulocetus is assumedly the fish slot

[low bridge]

We shall see what is that creature

[short rover]

Anyone remember off the top of their head what genera are confirmed post ea by the devs?

I have Dimetrodon and Equus

Was there anything else?

[slim flare]

Moa is implied because Mau posted a moa gif in the same convo as confirming the RE DLC

That’s it

[short rover]

Hmm okay I’ll leave that off my list for now to be safe

[left spear]

Cotylorhynchus

[short rover]

Sigh

I’m gonna be seeing this art for awhile aren’t I

Hodari is truly chaotic neutral, either great misinformation or great showcases of unusual but very plausible scenarios

[burnt shore]

Celebochoerus and Kubanochoerus for true pig representation

[rigid spindle]

Oceania Pack (p2)

Procoptodon
Maybe could use a theropod rig? Might be too much of a stretch. It would prefer grassland, desert, and scrubland biomes, but unlike modern roos, I wouldn’t recommend putting these overgrown roid rats in a walkthrough enclosure.

Thylacoleo
Possibly could use a similar rig or a new marsupial rig (possibly Procoptodon too). It would have grassland, desert, scrubland, and possibly coastal environments. (Mole rat was made by my little bro)

Mekosuchus
Might be able to share a rig with other crocodilians, but that might be a bit of a stretch. Similar to other viv species, it doesn’t care what biome it’s in, but it can be put into both terrestrial and arboreal vivariums. (like how titanoboa can go in both terrestrial and amphibious)

Meiolania
Would absolutely need a tortoise rig since there isn’t really anything like it in game. It likes scrubland, coastal, and tropical biomes to replicate the islands it lived on. It could be fun to use as a big tortoise for walkthrough exhibits.

Skin concepts by me

[feral cedar]

These are incredible, massive respect for the sheer effort

One thing though, every single animal you've suggested is part of the Pleistocene Australia fauna, so maybe calling it the "Oceania Pack" isn't... that fitting. Maybe "Pleistocene Australia Pack" or something to that extent could work

[lean hound]

I thought Meiolania lived in New Caledonia?

[plush nacelle]

Species on image is from lord howe island

Also way smaller

[short rover]

Either way it’s not Australia

[limber needle]

Oh well in that case I gonna take some hope juice and say either eryops, anteosaurus, or neovenator or ceratosaurus, Even tho it's probably gonna ceratosuchops or smth

All of the animals i named have SOME connection to water i think, i just wish we had a herbi slot for U18 for lurdu

[short rover]

Id argue ceratosuchops is extremely optimistic lmao

[peak hazel]

Ceratosuchops feels like a really random pick

[short rover]

Also yea

We know it’s not a Bary alt, considering Bary was a fish slot before it was revealed

I’d set my expectations to a croc alt if I were you

[peak hazel]

probably another Deinosuchus

which I won't complain about

[mint creek]

Skeptics don't want to hear my truth (it's Nanotyrannus)

[short rover]

Truth nuke

[left spear]

Alt for the sake of having an alt

Viv or Deino alt are the only good choices

This chat is gonna be Deino alt chat for a while i can already tell

[mint creek]

The perfect place to push my agenda

[low bridge]

What about Metridiochoerus Dude???)

[vital grove]

there is a massive undecribed one in australia aswell

[plush nacelle]

Lord howe island species is by far the best one

[fervent basalt]

irritator and ubirajara (for terrariums)

[low bridge]

What

[left spear]

Ubi

Ateast i hope they mean Ubi

[ancient ibex]

Irritator is the back side of a skull that is already throughly referenced in its close relative already in, and will be referenced in its more distant relative coming later this year; people really overestimate the diversity of spinosaurids beyond name smh

Ubirajara isn't even described, is a mess, don't really know what it is beyond coelurosaur

Both are cool tho

[left spear]

They didn't have much time to diversify tbf

[ancient ibex]

70 million years or so

Even if you go with the Bary+Spino clade, they would be around for over 40 million years

[left spear]

Isn't that used the theoritical jurassic ones

Ah

Eh 40 million years isn't that much, more so in the mesozoic

[ancient ibex]

40 MY is a massive chunk of time

[left spear]

Also i don't think we can judge their diversity that much seeing most are really fragmentary

[ancient ibex]

Dilophosaurus and Allosaurus lived 40 million years apart

[left spear]

Fair

They're pretty comparable to Carcharodontosaurids in that manner i guess

[ancient ibex]

Oh very much so

[left spear]

Although tbh most theropod families don't have that much variety in them

Dromaeosaurids are probablye the most diverse one

[ancient ibex]

That's due to how it was defined tho, goddammit Sereno lol

[left spear]

Actually no i was thinking of Dromaeosauroidea

[ancient ibex]

There is no Dromaeosauroidea

Dromaeosauria is Velo > Troodon, Archie

[left spear]

Well wikipedia just lied to me

[ancient ibex]

Because it was defined when all we had was Dromaeo, Velo and Deino, while Saurornithoididae/Troodontidae was pretty much Saurornithoides and Stenonychosaurus. Then cue Jinfengo, Sinornitho, Micro...

[left spear]

What i meant is that the most diverse theropod group i'd say was Maniraptora

Excluding true birds

Although iirc it's a cldae without a "level"

So probably not comparable

[ancient ibex]

Maniraptoriformes

Ornithomimosaurs are part of the radiation, and Therizinosaurs and Alvarezsaurs being closer to birds than to them is not as solid of a result as one may believe

(And just talk about mesozoic ones, rather than cutting birds lol)

Anyway, lets not derail the containment thread anymore hehe

[left spear]

Uhhhhhhhh

Oxalaia

[ancient ibex]

Once again mentioning Troodontines as a great thing to have back

[left spear]

Yeah that should do

[ancient ibex]

Dinosaur Park, Prince Creek and Djadotcha covered with alts would go hard

[left spear]

Asian ones aside which one, iirc Stenon is a train wreck right now

[ancient ibex]

Saurornithoides

Troodon will forever be more of a mess than Stenonycho tho

[left spear]

I keep forgetting Saurornitho exists i swear

[ancient ibex]

This wouldn't happen if we kept using Saurornithoidiidae

Fucking Leidy Judith River tooth taxa lol

[left spear]

Honestly surprised Troodon didn't just get ignored

Really don't know how it even got popular to begin with

[low bridge]

Wonder if Centrosaurus returns

[left spear]

Was Centro ever in a roster?

Besides the Hadean eon one that had like 300+ species

[low bridge]

In Kickstarter

[left spear]

Didn't know that

Neat

[ancient ibex]

Centro and Cory as alt-like takes on Styraco and Lambeo could be cool

[low bridge]

Einiosaurus was also in 2k14 Pk roster

Hope that he returns one day

[alpine thicket]

obese irritator and glowing laser needles ubi

[heavy scarab]

Since Stegosaurus just arrived, I would like to point out the game is sorely lacking thyreophorans with only 4 so far compared to 10 ceratopsians

[median glen]

I would exchange scelidosaurus for another raptor

[short rover]

Good thing you’re not in charge of the game

[ancient ibex]

Edmontonia and Miragaia returning would be a cool start

[hollow flower]

Edmontonias really grown on me over the years

Pretty underrated Ankylosaur

With that being said I do have a preference for Sauropelta

[left spear]

Edmon is the underdog

Never number one but always a good choice

[mint creek]

I am also very fond of Edmontonia

[low bridge]

What about Polacanthus?

[mint creek]

Very good choice too

[left spear]

100% a DLC animal

[mint creek]

There's a lot of good nodosaurs

[left spear]

However a really good one at that

[slim flare]

Dinosaur Park fodder

[low bridge]

Borealopelta

[mint creek]

Hell yeah

[heavy scarab]

Polacanthus would be good cause you could have Gastonia as an alternate for both European and North American representation, also i would love to see Pinacosaurus

Meanwhile for Stegosaurs, Kentrosaurus and Wuerhosaurus are at the top of my list

[autumn plover]

For Ankylosaurs I would go Ankylosaurus, Edmontonia, and Polacanthus. For Stegosaurs I would go Kentrosaurus, Stegosaurus, and Mirigaia.

[ancient ibex]

Panoplosaurs are pretty much the go-to nodosaurs ttbt

[coarse inlet]

my thyreophoran wishlist is Miragaia, Stegouros, Sauropelta, and Kentrosaurus

Polacanthus might be nice as well

[low bridge]

What about Huayangosaurus?

[coarse inlet]

a good one, and I'd like to have it, but not a priority unless we have more Shaximiao stuff for it to hang out with

[low bridge]

Mamenchisaurus

[low bridge]

Dude

[slim flare]

I do look forward To Mamenchisaurus

Would love a TLW habitat

[low bridge]

Mamenchisaurus, Shunosaurus, Huayangosaurus in one exhibit would be lovely to see

[slim flare]

Indeed

[low bridge]

I want to make Prehistoric Safari in game

But sadly we don't have any african mammals

Yet

😐😶

Deinotherium, Sivatherium,Hippo Gorgops, Syncerus Antiqqus, Palaeoloxodon Recki, Stegotetrabelodon, Ancylotherium would be really Nice for grassland

[silver steeple]

H. gorgops would be nice only if it was an alt tbh

Like it's a neat animal, but it's also just a hippo

Throw it on as an alt for like Hexaprotodon or something and then we're talkin

[plush nacelle]

Hippos are all modern somehow

No funny transitional species or anything, just hippo big and hippo small

[silver steeple]

Yeah they're kinda funny like that

[cursive mango]

Coletodraco cottardi 😍😍😍😍😍 I love Abélisauridae ❤️

[vital grove]

the eyes are kinda weird looking though

[burnt shore]

I would like Machimosaurus and Thalattosuchus/Metriorhynchus in the game

[cosmic cosmos]

Dakosaurus

[ancient ibex]

Eeer...

[slim flare]

I like hip fragments! ❤️

[silver steeple]

That's literally the one unique thing about it

The eyes are only like 1-2 inches above a normal hippo

[slim flare]

I would prefer Hexaprotodon or one (or more) of the Madagascar hippopotamus

[silver steeple]

Agreed

If H. gorgops comes as an alt of either of those then sure

I just can't really see it as its own thing with 3 skins

[slim flare]

Late Pleistocene supremacy

[silver steeple]

Cause realistically what can you really do with hippos skin wise

[eager thunder]

Where did its arms go

[slim flare]

Different colours

[silver steeple]

Though I suppose that argument also applies to elephants and such

[eager thunder]

Having a prehistoric hippo would rock

Also not every animal needs a myriad of skins

Paracartherium has like, one skin each species and it still rocks

[silver steeple]

Like what? Genuinely never seen a hippo be a different shade of grey besides just being wet or dry

[silver steeple]

Those are alts, which play by the rule of counting as the different skins

[slim flare]

The two extant species aren’t even the same colour

[eager thunder]

Hippos do tend to be brownish as well

[silver steeple]

Barely

One is light gray and the other is dark

They're also different genera

[eager thunder]

In that case sinotherium is one skin and I like sinotherium

[silver steeple]

You've missed the point completely

[silver steeple]

Yeah light and dark gray as I said

[slim flare]

With a sample size of one each so 🤷‍♂️

But that’s two skins right there

[eager thunder]

Frankly I don’t think lack of skin variety should discount a animal from being in game anyways

[slim flare]

Then have one that’s more brown or something

[silver steeple]

By game logic these are alts anyway so it just feeds my point

[eager thunder]

I’d like a hippo even if it had one skin

Personally

Especially over another rhino even if it had 5 skins

[slim flare]

Madagascar also has like 2-4 species

[silver steeple]

I'd be upset if we had an entire new animal with a single skin

And no alts

[eager thunder]

Ok but why? If it’s a good skin it’d be fine

[silver steeple]

Because every other animal has 3

[eager thunder]

Nobody really complains that sinotherium has one skin

[silver steeple]

Because its an alt

[eager thunder]

That’s objectively not true there are plenty with less

[silver steeple]

Brother

[eager thunder]

Is sino an alt?

[silver steeple]

Yes

I have said this like 7 times now

[eager thunder]

Of what

[silver steeple]

Elasmo

[eager thunder]

Really? That’s like 2 entirely different time periods

[silver steeple]

Not really but that also doesn't matter???

[flint sable]

yes its an alt

[silver steeple]

Fairly certain there's less gap in those two than there is rex and tarbo

[flint sable]

also iirc sinotherium literally evolved into elasmotherium

granted not the same species of elasmotherium but still

[slim flare]

Madagascar hippopotamus has taken first place for me

Just do all three species. They’re pretty distinct.

[eager thunder]

I still don’t see the skin variant argument so I have to agree with him that a hippo would be cool

[slim flare]

One is a small common hippopotamus, one is a medium common hippopotamus and the last one is a common hippopotamus that convergently evolved a pygmy hippopotamus lifestyle

[cosmic cosmos]

whats the lizard stealing V. salvators colours here?

[silver steeple]

Eh if we're gonna do hippopotamus I'd like to see more location variance, but what exactly are the differences between the 3? I haven't looked into them much

[slim flare]

I think its more interesting because they’re all from the same place

[feral cedar]

I mean is there any reason to have a hippo that isn’t “Well we gotta have a prehistoric hippo”

[slim flare]

Isn’t that why every species is in the game?

[burnt shore]

What hippo species do you have in mind?

[slim flare]

Hippopotamus lemerlei
Hippopotamus laloumena
Hippopotamus madagascariensis

[burnt shore]

Would you take Hippo antiquus?

[slim flare]

If we get H. lemerlei and H. madagascariensis, sure ig

Those two are musts

But I have no interest in antiquus, it’s not Late Pleistocene

[left spear]

Honestly we only "need" one hippo

Any of the malagasies, ideally with alts but we'd be lucky to even get one

Hexapro is not a bad choice but we can do without fine

[low bridge]

We will be in heaven when we get Sivatherium (2 species, 1 alt)

Bramatherium Alt to Sivatherium

[ancient ibex]

I honestly find entelodonts and anthracotheres more appealing than hippopotamids for this game; pleistocene hippos in my experience aren't as striking as pleistocene rhinos and elephants

[low bridge]

What about Astraphotheres??

[peak hazel]

I sort of want extinct species of Crocodylus but that might also be a bit lame

[ancient ibex]

The parallelphants? Eh, cool

[ancient ibex]

Fossil Crocodylus is a wastebasket taxon

[low bridge]

Crocodylus Thorbjornarsoni??

[ancient ibex]

As in, Voay consistently clades closer to true Crocodylus (Indo-Pacific + Afro-American clades) than the whole bunch of stuff assigned to it

It is a mess

[peak hazel]

oh thats fun

[ancient ibex]

Crocodylus is also quite young molec-wise

So, basically, there is a huge bunch of croc diversity being shoved there

Gavialidae is also likely messy; molec work has a Tomistoma-Gavialis split in the Miocene, while morpho work has had stuff like Thoracosaurus closer to Gavialis than Tomistoma

[low bridge]

We need Rhamphosuchus

[flint sable]

theres also whatever Ikangogavialis papuaensis is doing

because why did they randomly decide to put a holocene pacific island genus really close to new guinea in a miocene south american genus

[flint sable]

jesus christ you werent kidding

hanyusuchus is more basal compared to tomistoma than tomistoma is to several paleocene taxa

so that either means we're doing something wrong, or humans managed to kill off a 60 million year old, possibly older, lineage

in which case, I think thats a new second place with Meiolaniiformes in 1st

[ancient ibex]

Nah, I suspect long branch attraction going on with longsnouted stuff

Crocs are insane at parallel evo

[flint sable]

so...

we did kill off a 60 million year old lineage?

[ancient ibex]

Hoping we can find something molec

But don't think so

[flint sable]

actually

how many late pleistocene / holocene crocodiles were there that died out

[ancient ibex]

Crocs are good at evolving the same thing multiple times

[flint sable]

lemme count

[ancient ibex]

They are really good

[flint sable]

mekosuchus, voila, voay, paludirex, quinkana, woodlark gavialid, hanyusuchus

is that all of em?

[flint sable]

damn no kidding

[peak hazel]

yeah because they're the goats

[ancient ibex]

One of those is closer to one of the first three than to the other

[left spear]

I mean antropophagus and thorbjarnarsoni are decent

[left spear]

They're actually great, making a pleistocene africa section and not having a crocodilyan would be insane.

[ancient ibex]

Euthecodon is right there if you want a pleistocene giant croc tho

[left spear]

I Guess but atleast to me It doesn't have the normal kingdom appeal

[peak hazel]

those are the 2 I'm thinking of

[left spear]

While i know it's a very personal preference i'd like thorb+antro as alts, good size variation aswell

[peak hazel]

I don't know if they're the best as the main animal but they'd be cool to see

[left spear]

Like yeah, it's obviously not a crazy prehistoric looking animal but It doesn't look "normal" to me

[left spear]

I mean besides that you only have checchiai as a non-terrible choice

But checchiai's Appeal is more location rather than anything

[peak hazel]

I do eventually need to make normal kingdom

[left spear]

And it's location is far from crazy either

[left spear]

Making a park with normal animal proxies is literally my #2 on my actual zoo idea list

Oceania section would be anything but normal tho

[peak hazel]

weird place

[left spear]

Honestly i might hop on and see what little can be done of that idea currently

[peak hazel]

do we count the mammoth as a normal animal proxy

or would you need the straight tusked elephant for that

[left spear]

A bad one but i'd say yes

Brb i'll try it

[peak hazel]

I still think Palaeoloxodon would be a better proxy

or the bald mammoth

[left spear]

Oh defenetly

By a long margin

[peak hazel]

I need to start using italics for genus and specific names

[left spear]

The best one we're getting really

But like mammoth is close enough

For the rules i'd say be reasonable and use the closest relatives when possible

[ancient ibex]

Purussaurus/Euthecodon cohabitation be like

[left spear]

Aw

[peak hazel]

the creature

[left spear]

Honestly i hope there's a jwe style system for cohabitation

[ancient ibex]

(Wanna do that with Spino and Bary ftr)

[left spear]

Hopefully done better

[left spear]

I'd worry about non-agressive fights and such hurtimg the barys tbh

[peak hazel]

I mean I like being able to make mixed enclosures with animals that won't kill each other

but a proper cohab could be useful

[left spear]

Managing cohabitation is a part of zoo management

Just give It a sandbox option to turn off

[ancient ibex]

Close relatives may treat each other as cospecifics, with all that entrails

[left spear]

I'd still hope for non-relative cohabitation to a lesser degree

[ancient ibex]

Polygynic species for example

[ancient ibex]

The Madrid duo

[left spear]

Carch-Spino would be great although not sure if there would be instinctual bad blood

[peak hazel]

I think they'd be chill with enough food or space

[left spear]

They're really funny together

[left spear]

I'd worry for feeding time

Unless you make different feeding spots and each soft-unnacessible for eachother

[peak hazel]

yeah that too

[left spear]

Okey i've gathered:

-Microraptor
-Archaeopteryx
-Ursus
-Megaloceros
-Coelodonta
-Mammuthus
-P. spelaea
-P. atrox
-Peltephilus
-Sahonachelys
-Titanoboa

Thought of Galli for ostriched and Ovi for cassowarys but that's probably going too far

Honestly more than what i thought there would be

[peak hazel]

Allosaurus in place of Allosaurus

as we know it made it to the modern day

one of the Camarasaurs as a really big giraffe

[left spear]

Would Siva be too far for giraffes?

[peak hazel]

maybe?

I guess your closest is a paracer

[left spear]

Yeah no lol

I'd put Siva in the "bad, use only in dire need" pile

[peak hazel]

a very orange Smilodon for a tiger

[left spear]

Homotherium

But yes

Actually no

You're stupid

Saurophaganax for a tiger

Since it's to Allo what tigers are to lions

And Allo is the lion of the Jurassic

I'm a genious

[peak hazel]

cinema

[silver steeple]

Fun fact, the AZA as an entire guidebook for cohab-ing stuff with ungulates

[magic sluice]

Magnapaulia laticaudus

[lean hound]

https://tenor.com/view/does-he-know-gif-17552966235424643644

The big lambeo skin is based on Magnapaulia

[mint creek]

Devs should add Dimetrodon. They're making it the poster boy of Surviving Earth so I think it's about to become a popular animal.

[plush nacelle]

You know who else is poster boy?

Nanuq

[mint creek]

Hell yeah

[buoyant zephyr]

It's always been popular

[mint creek]

I know

[fresh ember]

That's the joke.

[buoyant zephyr]

Oh

[ancient ibex]

Can't help but love 'em

[lean hound]

Mau will love surviving earth just for this scene

[mint creek]

Maybe if we show it to Mau he'll be satisfied with the Coty suffering and will allow Coty in the game

[hard elbow]

Ain't this the thing Luke Skywalker milked in the sequel trilogy

[low bridge]

I can't tolerate a disrespect towards Cotylorynchus 🫤🫤

He don't deserves this

[flint sable]

Aepyornis maximus, the giant stem kiwi from Madagascar, and also the Moas, the stem tinamou of New Zealand, would both be great additions for RE pack

[static flame]

they're probably both shoe-ins for a holocene expansion

[limber needle]

Mekosuchians would be cooler

[slender tangle]

Good grief that's a big bird

Literally an elephant bird

[lean hound]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-fan4stic-fantastic-four-the-thing-say-that-again-gif-9345984830195785978

[slender tangle]

That was intentional
It lives up to the name

Dude could look an asian elephant dead in the eyes

The way they're portrayed in PhP Ice Age makes them look weirdly average, like ostrich sized at most

[left spear]

Another of Ice Age's numerous crimes

[cold hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/plz-gif-11605670127850929294

[coarse inlet]

I also dont like that they are shown as diurnal tbh

[lean hound]

were they nocturnal?

[coarse inlet]

yeah

also almost blind

[lean hound]

Oh wow

What hints at it?

[coarse inlet]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6235046

[coarse inlet]

brain shape

[feral cedar]

this is a recurring issue with PHP

[hollow flower]

I wonder why they were nocturnal

Considering theres not much in the way of predators besides Voay

Then again, their closest relative is the kiwi which is also famously nocturnal

[mild rose]

literally had that same idea, using sinotherium as a rhino proxie instead of wooly tho, looks more the part

[silver steeple]

Probably heat tbh

Larger animals tend to be much less active in the day, especially in hot climates

[silver steeple]

I disagree, I think their size was displayed fine

If anything I think the Moas have that issue instead

With the Aepyornis you at least have the grass and fossa to compare to

The moa scene is just a desert and an open forest

[plush nacelle]

From paper about elephant bird they proposed its ancestor was already nocturnal when arrived on island

[short rover]

Isn’t nocturnality something that can be relatively easy to shed over time

In terms of behavior

I don’t really see what pressures would keep elephant birds nocturnal

[digital pendant]

I believe its inferred on their vision

Though generally megafauna in tropical environments will be active at night since its cooler

[short rover]

I see

[slim flare]

Top 5 Most Wanted Non-Avian Dinosaurs:
(Using the currently confirmed roster)

Therizinosaurus
Carnotaurus (or Ceratosaurus)
Armagasaurus
A Nodosaurid
Kentrosaurus

[left spear]

No leptictidium 💔

[alpine thicket]

Famous nonavian dinosaur, Lepticidium

[left spear]

No Homo 💔

[alpine thicket]

I am gay so yes homo

[left spear]

Basedbasedbasedbasedbasedbased

Actually can the devs actually add Vita to the game

[alpine thicket]

In fact I know I'm not the only lesbian on this server, let alone gay person in general so
Many homo...?

Yes totally, I would totally be a great addition

I would be there
And uh
Stuff

[left spear]

I mean you'd make a nice second afrotherian

Or Stem-mammal

Not really up to date on lesbian phylogeny

[alpine thicket]

I could totally like uh
...
Okay I dunno where to go with this joke next

[left spear]

The moon

[alpine thicket]

The moon for pk
Just crash the moon into our parks

[left spear]

Alternatively moon map

Can be a reward for completing the cotylomania scenario

[alpine thicket]

Zoo Tycoon had that it was silly

[left spear]

*Zoo Tycoon had that it was great

[alpine thicket]

I never said it wasnt it was just also silly

[short rover]

Good list

Knowing carno and edmontonia seem likely for U19 I’d have to throw in a megaraptorid and a paranky in there for me personally

[left spear]

Stegouros?

[short rover]

Cerato and dippy are up there too

[slim flare]

Ceratosaurus replaces Carnotaurus if Carno comes

[short rover]

Or kunbarra or antarctopelta. I won’t be too picky

[left spear]

Minmi : )

[short rover]

Nah

I’d rather kunbarra

[left spear]

I hate that thing with all the passion in my soul

[slim flare]

If Carnotaurus and Edomontonia come, I think they’ll be replaced by Ceratosaurus and Gigantoraptor

[alpine thicket]

Edmontonia likelihoid makes me happy it was like in every kids dinosaur book when I was little like
This specific Edmontonia model that was golden and reminded me in color of fried chicken

[left spear]

Foul usurper

[short rover]

You could make stegourus an alt of a larger species, would be nice I think

[left spear]

Antarcto

[short rover]

I know the one

[alpine thicket]

It's such a distinct model

[left spear]

I don't think i'm geriatric enough to know it

[digital pendant]

Jonkeria

[left spear]

This one?

[left spear]

Based and perm-pilled

[alpine thicket]

Nope it's an actual physical model, was in the DK stuff a lot they had a lot of physical models for thos books
Their rex was really crusty

[slim flare]

I feel Denversaurus will not come

[short rover]

The DK models are so nostalgic

[left spear]

(Whats DK?)

[short rover]

Why?

[left spear]

Dinosaur King?

[slim flare]

It’ll just be the two Edmontonia species

[short rover]

It’s a publishing company

[alpine thicket]

The still do stuff I'm pretty sure

[short rover]

They do

My fav book from them is “wildlife of the world”

[fresh ember]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Edmontonia_model.jpg

I remember it clear as day.

[short rover]

One of my fav formatted books of all time

[slim flare]

We all know Denversaurus has zero hype beyond being in Hell Creek, and is a new genus. Has PK ever added a worthless genus only to fill up a popular digsite?

[fresh ember]

And it's not loading...

[alpine thicket]

A ton of educational material went through them, a lot of games were tied to them too

[alpine thicket]

Yep this is the one, iconic fried chicken Edmontonia

[left spear]

I've never seen a model scream 1997-2005 more

[slim flare]

Eggroll snout

[plush nacelle]

How does osteoderm configuration even looks like between edmontonia and denver

[short rover]

And you’d replace it with…another edmonto species instead?

[short rover]

Roughly the same afaik

[slim flare]

There’s no replacement

[plush nacelle]

I guess it is main factor whether it can be alt or not

[left spear]

But yeah i'm way too young for this one

[slim flare]

The two Edmontonia species are logical. They’re good formations that need an Ankylosaur

Denversaurus is a glupshitto

I feel similar for Alcovosaurus

[short rover]

Strange take

[left spear]

What about the uhhhh

[slim flare]

It’s a stretch I do not think PK will take

[left spear]

Sauropod sized tooth taxa one

Priocodon or whatever

[slim flare]

How? Is there a counterexample?

[left spear]

Add It along side Troodon, Ostafrikasaurus and Kryptyrannus

[slim flare]

Lmfaoooo

Oh you’re joking

Now it’s not funny

[slim flare]

Ostrafrikasaurus is my favorite absolute glupshitto, emphasis on shit

[left spear]

Nah but should It be named the big boy would be a great alt

[left spear]

But it's such a cool name...

Honestly big waste

[slim flare]

Is it?

[left spear]

Sounds cool

The etymology is as mid as It gets

It's also a really cool hypothetical animal

Just that the remains we have might aswell be zero

Basically same case as Oxalaia

[slim flare]

I mean Oxalaia is probably just South American Spinosaurus

[peak hazel]

it is just potential animal

name sounds very good to say even if its not the most interesting

[left spear]

And really cool potential at that

It's just that It has 0.4% delivery

Like it's (theoretically) a basal spinosaurid

[peak hazel]

also its one of the jwtg l40s that I actually like

[left spear]

That's really cool

[left spear]

Yeah this rocks

(Only reason i know of Ostafrika)

[left spear]

Might have been a cool alt should It have been indentied as separate species

[peak hazel]

same

[slim flare]

Why?

[peak hazel]

looks more like a megalosaur than their actual Megalosaurus

[slim flare]

Just because it’s found in South America?

[peak hazel]

if you want a Spinosaurus alt

[left spear]

I mean a second species of spino would give the devs space to play around with

[peak hazel]

the other guy is right there

[left spear]

Well duh

Spino was added before mirabilis

I'm saying that if Oxalaia wasn't shit

It would have been a cool alt

Just to give the devs more space for a spino skin

[peak hazel]

unfortunately it is shit

[left spear]

Maybe make the paddle smaller and all of that

[left spear]

We've been talking theoretically for like 5 minutes now 💔

[peak hazel]

the lack of material is a shame because either we had a south American Spinosaurus or a south American large spinosaur

[left spear]

Imagine if we had a complete skeleton and It looked like a megaraptoran so megaraptorans just get classified as stem-spinosaurs

[median glen]

@low bridge If you could pick the first 10 species post EA to be added to the game, what would they be?

[low bridge]

Deinotherium, Sivatherium, Chasmosaurus, Centrosaurus, Pentaceratops, Gryphosaurus, Duonychus, Yangchuanosaurus, Mamenchisaurus, Concavenator, Polacanthus, Wendiceratops, Shunosaurus, Huayangosaurus, Anchiornis, Rahonavis, Archaeotherium, Aenocyon, Camelops, Aepycamelus, Titanotylopus, Stenomylus, Synthetoceras, Menoceras, Platybelodon, Stegotetrabelodon, Ancylotherium

Game would Fit every Creature Dude

Limitless potential

[median glen]

Damn dude thats ways past 10

[low bridge]

That's the Case

Dude

What are Your 10 picks for post EA species Dudee???

[trail moth]

i think my 10 picks would be shunosaurus, deinotherium, anteosaurus, jonkeria or some other dinocephalian to go along with antaeus, yang to go with shuno, barinasuchus, psilopterus, sauropelta, postosuchus, and desmatosuchus

[lean hound]

10 sivatherium skins

[trail moth]

oh psilopterus could also be replaced with nanotyrannus but id rather nano be in a tyrannosaur dlc with alberto and alio

[low bridge]

Let's be real Dude, i choose Mamenchisaurus, Concavenator, Polacanthus, Kosmoceratops, Deinotherium, Sivatherium, Chasmosaurus, Maip Macrothorax, Diabloceratops, Lokiceratops

[trail moth]

oh i'd be huge on kosmo or diabloceratops too

[low bridge]

Xenoceratops, Medusaceratops are worth mentioning

[trail moth]

if it wasnt so meh material-wise (idk how much we have of it), id have regaliceratops

[trail moth]

oh it's just a skull

shame because i really like its ornamentation

[low bridge]

What about Medusaceratops?

[trail moth]

as a loki or alberta alt maybe

[low bridge]

That's good

[trail moth]

though for ceratopsia in general id want udano first

the ugly abhorrent creature

[short rover]

True

[trail moth]

if diving and full aquatic stuff are able to be done i'd also adore pontolis, praepusa, and smilosuchus

[short rover]

Smilosuchus fits more as a semi aquatic animal

[trail moth]

i put it there because idk if it would dive or not

[median glen]

10 Silvatheriums

[short rover]

It probably wouldn’t considering deinosuchus might be coming in U18 and won’t dive

[trail moth]

ah

[slim flare]

Unless…

[left spear]

Tbh i think it's fairly obvious diving would come as a free update along aquatics

Now that it has been decomfirmed for EA

[short rover]

That’s just not how it works tho

The entire water system would have to be reworked to allow diving to be possible

[slim flare]

If we get aquatics

[left spear]

So what, add aquatics without diving? it's pretty obvious that if aquatics are free roam there will be a water system rework.

[left spear]

Well yes, i operated on that assumption.

[slim flare]

Dangerous assumption…

[eager thunder]

While I have no coding knowledge whatsoever reworking an entire system like that with as many variables as it probably has sounds hard

I wouldn’t mind myself if aquatics where limited to tanks

[slim flare]

I’d prefer to just not have them and focus on more habitat species

If that was the alternative

[burnt gate]

i hope one day they add the GOAT albertosaurus

[alpine thicket]

It's one of the potential ideas for post-full release additions!

So I feel pretty confident, it's one of my most desired options too.

[burnt gate]

Good.

[feral cedar]

wait diving has been deconfirmed?

[left spear]

Mau said so

[feral cedar]

Isn’t that the entire point of Deinosuchus being added though

to have a semiaquatic animal that can dive

[flint sable]

apparently not

[fresh ember]

Planet Zoo and Zoo Tycoon 2 didn't have diving right off the bat, either.

[flint sable]

diving has been deconfirmed multiple times along with underwater viewing

[fresh ember]

I mean, sure, that got added later on, but the point still stands.

[feral cedar]

So Deinosuchus is going to be just as water-capable as any other animal? :(

[flint sable]

although apparently that one underwater viewing glitch still works, so thats an option i guess

[flint sable]

I mean

[median glen]

He will not dive

[flint sable]

id imagine it wouldspend signifigantly more ammount of time in water than compared to even like

spino

although id imagine ambulocetus would be more aquatic even still

[left spear]

Diving is imo an impossibility until we/if get aquatics

[median glen]

Aquatics dlc with water rework

[alpine thicket]

Aquatics would probably get special water rather then a water rework.

[median glen]

😔

[cosmic cosmos]

either way the devs would need to build a completely new water system, I dont see why they wouldnt just rework the current water/make a new system that is applicable to everything

[alpine thicket]

Because that would break things and have to work with how water is placed, when it would be much easier to just make special water for within tanks.

[median glen]

Special water is a clever soslution if i can brush the special water just like regular water

But who knows how coding work, special water could be even worse to implement than rework the system

[silver steeple]

Impossibility I wouldn't say

Its simply not planned atm

Priorities shifted away from it

[left spear]

Well impossibility is probably hyperbole

But i really don't see it until then

[flint sable]

camerasaurus in PK when

[alpine thicket]

ancestor to all modern cameras and smartphones

[flint sable]

also

spinesaurus in pk when

[alpine thicket]

ancestor to all modern vertebrae

[flint sable]

oh I have another one

I gotta make it first

argentinasaurus in PK when

a dinosaur so big that all of argentina fits on it's back

[alpine thicket]

ancestor to all
... south america
the whole landmass

[short rover]

If aquatics are free roam*

You’ve kinda made the assumption there

[alpine thicket]

Free Roam could also be free roam within tanks.

rather then just sticking them in random water.

[mild rose]

Is there something about pks water system that makes it that much harder to pull off diving than in other games? I cant imagine its impossible but people here seem to think it is

[median glen]

I imagine that is because the animals, keepers, guests etc are all made to respond to the surface terrain, a 2D navemash

Diving requires an animal to

Move in a tridimensional

Space

That must be pain to do when all your game was made to things to walk on a "flat" surface

[short rover]

Basically that yea

It’s not volumetric like planet zoo

[alpine thicket]

Presumably, they'd make a separate system for tanks that permits required navigation, presuming freeroaming aquatics(which I'm honestly pretty optimistic about).

Thus they're limited to tanks
unless they let us make null tanks

[short rover]

I’d be fine with that as long as we get some neat customizable tanks kinda like the minis

Maybe make big tanks and raise the ground around them so they look like they’re in the ground

I would like flying animals to be free roam tho

[alpine thicket]

My thoughts on how this would go is tanks would be modular, customizable structures that you fill with water specific to tanks once they're built.
You can furnish them however you like, that kind of thing.
Then one of the tank wall options is a null option you can embed into the ground or even other water.