Community Species Suggestions

[amber field]

Just wait for mods to make over sized Edmonton

[nova glacier]

i think aquatic spcies and flying reptiles mechanics shouldnt be dlc but an update with an acompening dlc (i dont know what were you were talking about i just want to know if people agree with what i think)

[slow shoal]

iirc that was something that was discussed once

basically basic mechanics and a few obvious species as an update

and then dlc would be the rest

who knows if that'll happen

[nova glacier]

also it will be kinda stupid to add a full type of habbitat and machanic in a dlc becaus then if they want to add more aquatics they cant

[plush nacelle]

They can always perform Frontier special

Add full type of habitat and mechanic in base game, but animals, which can use it are locked behind DLC

[flint sable]

we dont even know what they are gng

whimsical beasties

iirc they are either afrotheres or ungulates

[feral cedar]

The country an animal is from can be a neat bonus but it’s important to not overdo it, lest you get suggestions for like three vertebrae and a tooth for an animal no one’s suggested before just because some random country on the other side of the world “has no reps”

Cryolophosaurus already has enough popularity as it is, with a cool crest, and more Early Jurassic rep is always nice

[mint creek]

My comment was just that geography is worth considering, not that it supersedes other aspects such as fossil completeness

[feral cedar]

Ah

Yeah that’s fair

[civic terrace]

Need these in the game

[shy vale]

yeah and the same could apply to charonosaurus regarding parasaurolophus but it's there as an alt

so similarly, shantungosaurus should be an alt for edmontosaurus

[ancient ibex]

Yeah

[shy vale]

also i feel that cryolophosaurus is somewhat redundant as a basal neotheropod when dilophosaurus is present

[ancient ibex]

Always should had been hehehe

[shy vale]

that's why i suggested antarctopelta because then we get parankylosaur representation (though personally i would've gone with stegouros)

[shell sonnet]

To be blunt, with regard to early jurassic reps, what the game needs is less another Dilo than a Massospondylus. There's like at least 4 places I can think of that have at least some combo of the two.

[feral cedar]

Cryolophosaurus is probably the most "Countrysaurus" of them all

It's not just "a dinosaur from a country without many dinosaurs", it's THE dinosaur from a continent we would've never expected to find dinosaurs in

[eager thunder]

I mean we already have Plateosaurus

In terms of sauropodomorphs

[feral cedar]

But once you look past the geographical side of things, it really is just a Dilophosaurus with a pompadour-like crest, not much else

[feral cedar]

I mean sauropodomorph diversity is often underestimated

[eager thunder]

Entire park section of animals that look like Elvis

[feral cedar]

Massospondylus I think does still have a niche, even if Plateosaurus gracilis makes it a little difficult to slot in

[eager thunder]

Other than being from the Jurassic what makes it different? In a way that makes it a interesting addition

I may not know something about it

[tough marsh]

its smaller and got a different skull

[eager thunder]

I mean, it’d probably be a fine addition but it wouldn’t be my first choice

[tough marsh]

plateosaur has a very weird skull

[feral cedar]

Massos is smaller, thinner, has a different skull, and it's from the Early Jurassic in what is now South Africa and Zimbabwe, whereas Plateosaurus is from Europe, larger, more robustly built

[eager thunder]

Other than maybe it’s significance as one of the first named dinosaurs but in that regard I’d also want megalosaurus which is also just a similar animal thing

[feral cedar]

Also Massospondylus has an extraordinary fossil record

We know everything about its growth, which is particularly helpful for the developers since ontogeny is a vital part of the game

[eager thunder]

That is interesting

[tough marsh]

if your curious

[feral cedar]

that Plateosaurus is tiny

[eager thunder]

We do need more small animals

[feral cedar]

(relatively speaking)

[eager thunder]

Well “small”

Small in terms of real world zoo equivalents i guess

[feral cedar]

We need dinosaurs that are small but not too small to be locked in vivariums

[short rover]

Pelecanimimus would be neat imo

So would antarctopelta/stegouros

[feral cedar]

Ornitholestes, Hypsilophodon, Eoraptor, Deinonychus, [insert valid troodontine]

[feral cedar]

Nitpicky nitpick but I don't consider Antarctopelta small by dinosaur standards teehee

[short rover]

It’s like large pig size is it not?

[feral cedar]

I'm not sure actually

Wait wtf this is small

NGL I will forever appreciate Stegouros giving Antarctopelta and Kunbarrasaurus the parankylosaurian glow up

[feral cedar]

WAIT THIS IS UNDERSIZED

It's estimated to reach up to 4 meters

[left spear]

Too late

We already scheduled your execution to the first day of 2345 A.C

[feral cedar]

Finally

[silver steeple]

Pretty sure that was prior to knowing it was a parank

Which are much shorter than a similar sized nodosaur

[shy vale]

for early jurassic representation i would've put in heterodontosaurus tbh

especially as it showed up in the netflix dinosaurs documentary

[shell sonnet]

Hetero would be wonderful of course, but it's a vivarium animal. I think about those differently than full habitat ones, even when they happen to be my number 1 pick.

[alpine thicket]

If Heterodontosaurus does get in as a viv creature it totally needs an animation based on that very vintage... diorama I think where there's two low on a tree.
I think that was Heterodontosaurus at least
I realize now I have no idea if anyone knows what I'm talking about

[shell sonnet]

Hetero should two skins; one the sweet old school version and the other today's fuzzy vampire

[feral cedar]

Fuzzy vampire is outdated actually

[shell sonnet]

(I know)

(But it's too good to pass)

[alpine thicket]

It'd probably be a viv animal so it'd only get one and I'd want the one to be up to date.

[hard elbow]

Alt for Edmonto I can absolutely get behind, to be clear

[misty flare]

what is the current understanding of heterodontosaurus?

[shell sonnet]

Besides that it's awesome

[eager thunder]

Lips?

[cosmic pivot]

I have no idea if anyone said this before but my biggest wish for pk is drepanosaurus as a climbing vivarium arboreal creature

[left spear]

Not much evidence but Mau once gave us fake hints and one sounded a lot like Drepano

And besides it's Drepano

So i think it's fair to say it's on the devs's radar

[shell sonnet]

It's amazing how being considered a possible answer to a hint can boost an animal's popularity

[autumn plover]

I feel like people missed the part where the devs have said that animals already in-game won’t get alts afterwards

[hard elbow]

Unless the devs ascribe to the speculation that drepanosaurus was physically adapted to be radar-invisible

[hard elbow]

I haven't forgotten this, but I figured I'd respond in the hypothetical event that weren't the case, for the sake of the discussion

[shy vale]

maybe add some stuff sticking out from it because of longisquama and mirasaura

because they have been considered to be relatives

[limber needle]

cough cough MASIAKASAURUS cough cough

Never change my weird little freak

[cosmic cosmos]

love this stupid creature

should have a feathered skin and two scaly ones

[limber needle]

I'd say vice versa but yeah

One with scales (and maybe a slight barely visible fuzz like PhP's depiction) one with light feathering around the arms, neck and slight on the head, and one like this image with cormorant/vulture feathers which are fairly long and cover a large part of the body

[feral cedar]

NGL scaly Masiakasaurus would actually be pretty interesting especially since all the theropods in the rough size range of one are covered in feathers

Theropods in that 2 - 3m size range like Velociraptor, Ornitholestes, Guanlong, most troodontines, etc? All feathered

Masiakasaurus could be mostly scaly, especially thanks to its potential ceratosaurian ancestry

It’s not dissimilar to how Elaphrosaurus is a bootleg ornithomimid, but as a ceratosaur it could be scaly so it sticks out from the extensively feathered proto-ostriches

[alpine thicket]

Masiakasaurus going off of its relatives was more likely scaly than anything, so honestly I'd actually prefer that especially to contrast the largely-coelurosaur roster of small theropods who are feathered.

[left spear]

Give it amphibian slime

[plush nacelle]

Remember peltephilus

It went from literally ,,who,, before roadmap to expected addition in a moment to the point people used to wish for it when Mau misleaded us

[feral cedar]

That’s basically what I said

But yeah, that’s a better way to explain it

Plus Masiakasaurus might’ve been an omnivore; it’s theorized that it’s odd teeth would’ve been used for grasping small prey and maybe even fruit

[wild relic]

Yessss

Masiakasaurus is one of my favorite dinos and I've wanted to see it in more games especially PK

[limber needle]

just remember feathers are a basal trait in dinosaurs so they cant be fully ruled out for anything

modern analogues to masiakasaurus like foxes, badgers, and large waterfowl/wading birds do have fluffy integument, so if theres any noasaur that IS likely to have feathers outside of display structures, its probably something like masiakasaurus

[alpine thicket]

ehhhhh
we have plenty of evidence indicating full loss of them in several lineages, at the very least it's very likely

I'd very much prefer non-feathered Masiaka both from a likelyhood standpoint and from a design standpoint.

[ancient ibex]

Prehistoric planet's fuzz is cool

[limber needle]

faint fuzz like the snowmelt skin for dilo is very likely for larger noasaurids i think

[peak hazel]

it does seem several lineages independently loose them

mostly in Ornithischia

[limber needle]

any papers on this im curious

[peak hazel]

not sure

just from skin impressions that we have

[limber needle]

btw off topic but daemonosaurus would be cool for more rep from the chinle formation. almost seems like masiakasaurus convergently evolved with it

[slender tangle]

Speaking of Chinle
I wanna see Lotosaurus

[vast berry]

Kryptohadros is the only dinosaur native to the planet Krypton

[flint sable]

kryptoclidus even though thats not how you spell it nor is it a dinosaur

trust

[eager thunder]

Regardless of species, what formation particularly needs more species from it

[shell sonnet]

Dinosaur Park, Lujan

[vital grove]

jakapil

colossosuchus one of the largest known phytosaurs. a phytosaur would be so nice

nicrosaurus was a more terrestrial phytosaur

[mint creek]

alongside pineapples suggestions I'd add Yixian

[lean hound]

Isn't jakapil a mess rn?

[silver steeple]

Not really

[ancient ibex]

It is a weird thyreophoran with very fragmentary remains, and people keep focusing on a specific restoration

So yeah, it is a mess

Seriously

We know it had osteoderms and a quite robust lower jaw

[vital grove]

the overal shape is still pretty clear

[ancient ibex]

No it isn't

We have 4 vertebra, half a femur, fragments of the tibia, and scraps of the forelimbs

[vital grove]

we know its rough skull shape osteoderm placement and that it was bipedal

although the osteoderm placement can be up for debate

[ancient ibex]

Eh, we don't really have any solid data on its body proportions, because we have scraps of both axial and appendicular skeleton

Osteoderms are literally just there

[feral cedar]

The overall “shape” of Jakapil just piggybacks off of Scutellosaurus

[flint sable]

which is an animal that lived some 100 million years earlier, btw

like comparing fragmentary bones of a rat to an early jurassic cynodont and saying they would have the same body shape

so we really dont know

[proper raven]

The bipedal posture is also not that concrete either

Its just how the authors interpreted it but can go both ways

[shell sonnet]

Yixian has a lot of good stuff... for the vivariums.
Yutyrannus is really the only exhibit animal from there that feels needed.

Oh, and because we were talking about Massospondylus, recently, this should be taken as a sign it needs to come.

[mint creek]

Hell yeah

plus this guy for exhibit, tiny therizinosaur would be really cute

Yixian deserves more representation because of how good quality it is

[feral cedar]

Beipiaosaurus is not fully grown

The interesting thing is, we have potentially undescribed remains for adults

[mint creek]

That won't stop me from wanting it

[feral cedar]

No lemme cook

Beipiaosaurus could be a full exhibit animal

Some tweets regarding the adult say it was roughly 6 meters long

And apparently it had a much more typical therizinosaur-like body plan

I really hope someone describes the adult before PK gets around to Yixian content

[river perch]

I’m on it !

[toxic oriole]

Could be a chance of having a mesozoic mammal for the arboreal vivarium
Maiopatagium

I don't know much about it, but supposedly mouse to squirrel sized

Said to be the largest of those gliding mammals

in the mesozoic era

More information about the animal would be nice

Strangely complete

Eh, yeah screw it

Lets get it on the list of vivarium animals!

[burnt gate]

albertosaurus would be a cool animal to add into the game

[toxic oriole]

Agreed

Give Gorgosaurus as an alt and its perfect harmony

Same animals from the same place at the same time, closely related

[flint sable]

this also isnt even including stuff like mammals or reptiles

goated formation

actually

[proper maple]

lowkey this might be a hot take but if we had aquariums i would rather get palaeophis colossaeus as a big snake for the game

[rigid spindle]

In my opinion it would be more of a 2 cakes situation

You have your malicious pool noodle with name recognition and your malevolent soup noodle

[cosmic cosmos]

my most wanted cenozoic aquatic

[shy vale]

more so than megalodon?

[cosmic cosmos]

i dont care for megalodon much at all

[slow shoal]

Meg is inevitable with an aquatic expansion tbf

It's like if a dinosaur game didn't have rex or trike

[short rover]

^^

You gotta get the Meg

[dull prism]

Meg supremacy

It’d be awesome to see a version based on the newest science and not just “big great white”

[slow shoal]

I mean

It's still gonna look close to a big great white

[left spear]

Make it black

[ancient ibex]

Even the juveniles would count ngl

[flint sable]

I think they mean color wise

but with PK's system we can do that, just have 1 skin that kinda looks like a great white then do 2 others that are plausible but a bit more creative

[mint creek]

bright pink with green polka dots

[feral cedar]

I hope the devs don’t suffer trying to animate a full exhibit snake

[eager thunder]

Sounds like actual hell

[neon blade]

Honestly, although this would be great as an exhibit animal, the same thing can be said for Titanoboa. The dev might make it a vivarium animal. Still awesome though!

[shell sonnet]

Probably be less of an issue if it's purely a lagoon animal that doesn't have to interact much with modular pieces.

[silver steeple]

Sea snake is probably easier to get right than a land snake

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, and titanoboa is already in the game. They can adapt the model (I'm aware sea snakes and boas have some differences), animate it for swimming and fighting, change the skin, and it's done. Would probably take less work than Mosa, Ichthy, Dunk or any number of highly wanted marine animals.

[fiery crow]

Palaeophis would be cool

[shell sonnet]

Note for fighting I'm referring to biting. Constriction would be a lot of work and would end closer to JWE's style of fighting.

[plush nacelle]

That thing was not moving the way people think it was

Palaeophids were incredibly stiff for snakes to the point general idea about their movement is similar to mosasaurs

Essentially, if that thing evolved further there would be giant mosasaur-like snake swimming around in cenozoic

[dapper sky]

Araripesuchus for a new vivarium species?

[heavy scarab]

Not a new species but i bizarrely wish that Tyrannosaurus had a green skin. I don't know why but I always pictured trex as green

[short rover]

Leatherhide looks greenish

In certain lighting

[lean hound]

Uh

leatherhide is green..

[kind oriole]

canonically leatherhide is yellow (in the eyes of overlord Mau), but don't shoot the messenger

[eager thunder]

Is Mau colorblind

[kind oriole]

they wouldn't have called it leatherhide if the devs saw it as a green skin

[eager thunder]

I don’t actually know what leatherhide is

It’s kinda a yellow green gradient I guess

[lean hound]

err

It seems pretty green

depending on colour variation it varies from a kinda saturated grey to just, green imo

[heavy scarab]

Leatherhide is yellowish brown in my opinion but I wish for a real deep green skin similar to JP's buck rex which is always the first image that comes to mind when I picture a T-rex.
Of course that's just me

[alpine thicket]

when skin customization comes out, i will genuinely always just do leatherhide but like
rusty reds and browns

Rusty red and brown is my color of choice for rex.

[left spear]

I'm just gonna do bright pink flamincheirus

[eager thunder]

Bright pink feather Rex

[eager thunder]

Would enhydreadon be to water based to add to the game right now?

[rigid spindle]

You mean enhydriodon?

I'm pretty sure it was mostly terrestrial

[eager thunder]

Yeah but it’s also a big otter

It’d probably have some aquatic affinity

[rigid spindle]

Maybe

It most likely could easily fit in regular exhibits

[slow shoal]

i mean minks, fishers, and ferrets have an otter-like body and are terrestrial

and they are mustelids like otters

so i dont see why enhydriodon being an otter means it must have aquatic affinity

[amber field]

Megistotherium

[amber field]

Tbh I won't surprise if the dev come up with lesser known hyaenodon

[proper raven]

Cant get any obscure than H. gigas which the devs wanted ages ago

[amber field]

simbakubwa

[proper raven]

Nah, H. gigas is the most obscure

[peak hazel]

never heard of it

[amber field]

It is pretty big

[peak hazel]

nah never heard of it before

Hallucigenia gigas?

[amber field]

No this simbakubwa

[amber field]

hyaenodon gigas

[peak hazel]

no I know that one

[peak hazel]

Hypsilophodon gigas?

[kind oriole]

Hylaeosaurus gigas ;p

[peak hazel]

oh yeah must be

[kind oriole]

Haplocanthosaurus gigas

[proper raven]

How speculative of the devs to make an animal out of just teeth

[amber field]

I mean mammals teeth are very descriptive about thaere families unlike reptiles ... mostly

[silver steeple]

That's not really the point

Just because teeth are taxonomically informative doesn't mean you suddenly know what the rest of the animal looks like

[amber field]

Yeah, I got your point . But it's the whole point of paleontology, though it's not good a pick for the media representation

[quaint plank]

“Unhand me criminal”

[quaint plank]

I wouldn’t mind Dilong

[eager thunder]

Outside dilophosaurs is there anything else in the Kayenta formation worth adding?

[ancient ibex]

Sarahsaurus as a Massos alt, Scutellosaurus mini

[shell sonnet]

Wouldn't oppose it, but man... there are so many tyrannosauroids, let alone dinos I'd like to see first

[quaint plank]

True

[shell sonnet]

in theory Scelido

[amber field]

Speaking of this animals , there relatives that considered semi aquatic , Apterodon

It is hyaenodon like otters

[wary nacelle]

Omg I love arsinotherium

I just found out about him

I need him

[tough vault]

Can they do uintatherium too please

I like the funky head knobs

[feral cedar]

fun fact, Arsinoitherium is actually closer to elephants than anything else

Genuinely one of the neatest Eocene animals

[cosmic cosmos]

With the release of "Monsters Down Under" I will once again be pushing the agenda for a Toolebuc DLC, containing Kronosaurus, Eromangasaurus, Platypterygius, Protosphyraena, Kunbarrasaurus and Umoonasaurus (not from Toolebuc, but wouldn't fit anywhere else and is a great addition anyway)

[frosty heron]

Can I sneak Thapunngaka in there as well

[cosmic cosmos]

Haliskia with a Ferrodraco and Thapunngaka alt would be cool yes

[frosty heron]

👌I support this

[peak hazel]

as much as I agree
P. australis probably isn't Platypterygius

[cosmic cosmos]

yeah, it clusters with other platypterygiines outside of Platypterigius, but for now thats the name we have to work with

[left spear]

Pannoniasaurus

[vital grove]

this is its closest living relative so it would look very different from titanoboa their scales look weird because they are cone shaped to hold on to fish

[rigid spindle]

Built like a damp towel

[feral cedar]

maybe this could be extended to encompass a broader Aussie DLC because then Australovenator doesn’t get left behind and maybe a Siderops/Koolasuchus temnospondyl too

[amber field]

It's so cute 😍

[vital grove]

ive held them and i call them water puppies ever since

[rigid spindle]

The idea that we can see a giant version of that majestic organism in this game is what makes life worth living

[vital grove]

but tbh i hope they just add it with fully aquatic enclosures

[flint sable]

thats fair

[vital grove]

i think they can achieve this pretty easily by reworking the vivarium mechanic

[flint sable]

I mean idk if this is a hot take or not, but I would totally be fine with aquatics being on a sort of more advanced version of the current vivarium system

[vital grove]

exactly lol

[flint sable]

with the caveat of needing to obviously have signifigantly larger modules, but also more diverse shapes + multiple skins per species

hell id even be ok with that for aviaries, but I would prefer aviaries of the two to have the ability to be more open planned

[flint sable]

this would be specifically for big aquatic stuff like marine reptiles

I am however also an advocate for aquarium vivarium type

for small stuff like anomalocaris

[vital grove]

like imagine just painting a shape and it makes an eclosure then you can adjust depth and add windows underwater. while still allowing the building system to work within its boundaries. they already have swimming animations so its not that much of a leap

[flint sable]

in terms of more diverse shapes I was moresoe thinking like

circle

octagon

cylinder

triangle

[vital grove]

yeah

[flint sable]

ect

[vital grove]

maybe they can let you make the entire shape custom and also give you the option for normal shapes with a size slider

then a slider for depth

[flint sable]

I doubt custom shapes because at that point its essentially a habitat animal

but what I was thinking is basically like

[flint sable]

these modules here you would place inside of a special water enclosure

which could be any shape u want

I mean think about it

[vital grove]

wdym

i responded to the wrong sentence

[flint sable]

ok so basically right its like your idea

where you make a custom shaped body of water

but this would be specific like

a fence type maybe

also a null version

then once connected it would create an aquarium/lagoon

and you could change the depth

think like ZT2

however

[vital grove]

yes exactly like zt2

[flint sable]

the animals wouldnt be able to freely move in these, that would likely be too much work

so instead you can place "modules" inside of these enclosures which would function like the vivariums but signifigantly bigger

where they have set loops and ect

im not sure how well they would work with dynamic water depth, though

[vital grove]

as long as the swimming animation is there you can have them move freely

[flint sable]

thats not nessecarily the difficult part, the difficult part is having them navigate a 3 dimensional space

since PK isnt built with voxel terrain or anything that would really allow for easy 3d movement in its animals

other than on set specific paths

this is even more of a problem in fliers since they would realistically also have to interact with the ground, essentially meaning they would need a 2 dimensional mode and a three dimensional one

[vital grove]

tbh i think they should release a couple dlcs and keep updating the game with large updates like this to keep it alive after

[flint sable]

hopefully

[vital grove]

then those large updates for free draw in more buyers aswell

since the game is receiving free content to

[flint sable]

iirc the first DLC the devs have stated they want to work on if the game got enough funds from EA launch would be a recently extinct DLC

I did make a "realistic" (IE what I think would realistically occur, not nessecarily my wishlist) prediction for both a Paleozoic DLC and a Recently Extinct DLC

[vital grove]

they did have a list for the recently extinct ones but i wouldnt expect haasts eagle or stellers sea cow with the current state of the game

[plush nacelle]

Tbh for my flying animals could work like any other animal with flight being restricted to enrichment items in old zoo game fashion modding scene

[flint sable]

heres both

#1360542295228944414 message recently extinct

#1360542295228944414 message paleozoic

[flint sable]

probably

I took inspo from that very old kickstarter concept when designing mine but made some adjustments

[flint sable]

maybe

that was the original plan for the vivariums in PK also

and also planet zoo modders have done something similar with their birds

[vital grove]

stellers sea cow and haasts eagle were planned so the devs must consider is possible. the thing is i think they really need to make some paid dlc because the very loyal playerbase will buy it anyway. and use this profit into further updating the main game. i think once full release is done they will have a lot more options

[flint sable]

maybe

that kickstarter was also in a completely different era of the game

so it really doesnt mean anything at all now

the current build didnt even exist yet

[plush nacelle]

So old in fact mosasurus was supposed to be EA launch animal

[vital grove]

as long as there is no game like this, this demographic will always stay. dead by daylight has a similar position. since this game includes 1 all eras 2 realistic animals its the only one in its niche. as long as they update the main game alongside dlc i can only see the playerbase growing

[peak hazel]

I mean its starting to look less like "will pk be successful" and more "how successful"

[flint sable]

basically

[peak hazel]

so if things continue the way they have been
I have high hopes we'll see all this stuff

[flint sable]

I have no doubt PK will at an absolute minimum break roughly even on its development cost

but will it make enough money to support future content?

[vital grove]

i think this game will have a lot less player dropoff years in the future than planet zoo for example

[eager thunder]

I’m confident that animal combat alone will bring in a ton for the game

[plush nacelle]

It already did so last year

[vital grove]

theres likely a ton of people that are waiting for full release to. i didnt get it until i deemed it was far enough aswell

[plush nacelle]

Whole point is to make enough money for them to secure future, which is roughly one million in sales

[flint sable]

I thought that was just the first year they made an overall money for that year alone I wasnt sure that they actually were in the green for all the previous years

[peak hazel]

I don't remember if they made a profit in 2025 specifically or already broke even fully

[vital grove]

i think the profit will really start going up when they release the first dlc

[flint sable]

like they made more money that year than lost, but did that gain cover for the several years previous that they didnt

[plush nacelle]

They made a profit

Ya. Should say it was just for 2025 and not previous years

[lean hound]

Difficult

[vital grove]

i think most people that play this game just care about seeing as many realistic extinct species as possible so im curious

i shouldve added if flyers and aquatics are added

[plush nacelle]

10 years of DLC is lowkey ridiculous. It would create big entry barrier for new players and basically mean using old engine this whole time

[vital grove]

better

[vital grove]

wanna bet league is still going by then😂

[shy vale]

it could be like say, age of empires ii

[fresh ember]

Is this a trick question?

[shy vale]

that still is getting expansions

[eager thunder]

You’re preaching to the choir here

[vital grove]

looking at the responses i think the game has a bright future as long as they release some paid dlc the moment they get to full release

[plush nacelle]

Even league is getting second version next year. At some point you just have to do so

[vital grove]

which is a large update to the main game

kinda like overwatch 2

[lean hound]

Ignoring the fact I'll probably be a pretty different person in 10 years, yes

[plush nacelle]

I honestly will not play at all or enjoy PZ3 or some new game with extinct animals

[flint sable]

I would

but it wont happen

[cosmic cosmos]

A second, "Winton" DLC containing Australovenator, Wintonotitan, Diamontinasaurus with a Savannasaurus alt, Isisfordia and sneak in Koolasuchus/Siderops.
This and the previously mentioned Toolebuc DLC would be absolutely everything Mesozoic needed from here in Aus

[shy vale]

then again, australia doesn't have as much mesozoic stuff compared to other places, lbr

[cosmic cosmos]

yeah, most of it is cenozoic

and those animals are just as awesome

[shy vale]

some should be part of the recently-extinct dlc

but anyway, if australia gets a toolebuc and winton dlc, then there would be a ton more for some other countries

like china, argentina, and the us would get a ton

[flint sable]

even then the continent just has generally less compared to pmuch everywhere

[shy vale]

bare minimum, i would do an double-pack of ischigualasto+santa maria as a triassic dlc (in which the santa maria species would be alts of the ischigualasto ones):
-herrasaurus (gnathovorax)
-eoraptor (buriolestes)
-jachaleria
-saurosuchus (prestosuchus)
-hyperodapedon

[flint sable]

makes up for it in my opinion for having some really great formations showing what it did have tho

emu bay is goated even if not for PK specifically

riversleigh is just awesome

and the whole pleistocene also goated

[vital grove]

question for the people that would put ornimegalonyx in a vivarium. would you put a mute swan in an exhibit or vivarium

[compact arrow]

):

[peak hazel]

This would not work for dlc either

[mint creek]

Can you tell us what formation these animals come from

[toxic oriole]

Of all the species, they want mythical creatures and a few fantasy ones

[peak hazel]

Thisd be an entirely different game

[toxic oriole]

I'd only take em as decoration tbf

then again i aint a park builder

and i know people would really love to decorate their parks with stuff like that

[slow shoal]

this isnt what PK is

[dull aurora]

Sivatherium?

Also dinopithecus could be cool

[cosmic cosmos]

EZ mentioned 💔

[dull aurora]

Sivatherium is so cool

[lean hound]

😕

[flint wigeon]

Abyssosaurus would be cool but its a aquatic creature

[autumn plover]

3 different skins with the only difference being the butthole colour

Like smelly power rangers 🔴🔵🟡

[ancient ibex]

I mean, both multispecific baboonesque genera have distinct coloration differences across species

[heavy scarab]

Question if/when Ichthyosaurus joins the roster which fellow ichthyosaur would make the best alternate?

[feral cedar]

Personally I think Ichthyosaurus deserves 3 skins

But if I had to give an answer, probably Aegirosaurus

[peak hazel]

Protoichthyosaurus obviously

I don't think Ichthyosaurus needs an alt
maybe have several species

[fallow knoll]

So what about Nanotyrannus

That's certainly a genus

[peak hazel]

not a priority but sure

[eager thunder]

The struggle would be it’s potential to climb on stuff

[dull aurora]

I mean climbing could be potentially added alongside it

Or it could only be able to climb certain trees or objects

[eager thunder]

It just sounds like a lot of work for what’ll probably be only a small fraction of the animals

[dull aurora]

Well it could just be unable to climb though🤔

[eager thunder]

I mean they’re monkeys

They kinda do that

[dull aurora]

im desperate for some primates in the game bro😭😭

[dull aurora]

let me cope

[ancient ibex]

I believe "just Ichthyosaurus" is a throughly mismanagement of ichthyosaur diversity, blaming JWE for that as well

[eager thunder]

Vivarium monkeys are a possibility

Smaller primates

[dull aurora]

your right lowkey

[feral cedar]

indeed

Personally I’d like to see a Eurhinosaurus or Excalibosaurus

[peak hazel]

its a clade that is around for about half of the Mesozoic

[eager thunder]

I would like bigger monkeys later on but there are probably more important ea additions to make tbh

[peak hazel]

I think you could have
Cymbospondylus, Mixosaurus, Shonisaurus/Shastasaurus, Eurhinosaurus, Ichthyosaurus, Temnodontosaurus, Opthalmosaurus and Platypterygius

thats underselling it though

[ancient ibex]

For the entire mesozoic bar the final 25 million years

[dull aurora]

Guys

hold on let me ponder what im thinking about rn

[peak hazel]

oh yeah the Cenomanian is ~95 mya

not sure how I forgot that one

[dull aurora]

put him in the vivarium

[eager thunder]

Oh absolutely

[dull aurora]

Sacambambaspis the goat

[ancient ibex]

Mosasaurs be lizards that find an ocean without pliosaurs and ichthyosaurs and go "look ma, Imma Cymbospondylus"

[peak hazel]

you could also add stuff from broader Ichthyopterygia

[peak hazel]

this is what happens when you survive an extinction event far better then your competitors

Ichthyosaurs fully go extinct and pliosaurs are basically gone

[dull aurora]

Imagine having like a shoal of them

[ancient ibex]

And Mosasaurs weren't even in the game at that point

[eager thunder]

It’d be less a Vivarium more just an aquarium

[ancient ibex]

Literally just lizarding until BAM, full empty niche takeover

[dull aurora]

yes

[peak hazel]

I believe true mosasaurs were around by that point but they weren't exactly that impressive

[dull aurora]

This would also mean they could add larger vivarium sizes that are actual aquariums👀👀 and aquatics

[peak hazel]

I'd have to find the paper but it suggested that the Mosasaurine/Russelosaurine split was ~100mya

[feral cedar]

Cymbospondylus is probably one of the less interesting ichthyosaurs for me

[silver steeple]

Would love to see NanoT tbh

[peak hazel]

I'm a big Cymbospondylus fan

[feral cedar]

For the same yet opposite reasons as Plotosaurus in the mosasaur side

[peak hazel]

its obviously the outlier but thats not my only reason for thinking its cool

[eager thunder]

It could work for post ea stuff

[peak hazel]

its the first true ichthyosaur, unless a newer phylogenetic study puts Mixosauria as the most basal
C. youngorum is a very impressive animal

shows insane extinction recovery of ocean ecosystems

[eager thunder]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTqIWs9fv10KKVPCVndE6m1ttRAUHSeJqy07B8HjaEG1aYnSUI1U56AitLOT0TwAH7-MnzKXVarMF_0sCPRsQrBbnXzHDMSBGS5Vlu-cZp9yQ&s=10 it’s been said many times but while we at it

[peak hazel]

being an ichthyosaur its also very anatomically different from a mosasaur

same with plotosaurus but I don't like that guy as much

[sharp sable]

Aeeeh we hav nasuto

[eager thunder]

That’s like a entirely different animal

[peak hazel]

Nasuto is a dinosaur

[sharp sable]

Ik jk lol

Forgor to add the"/j"

[mint creek]

I was best friends with this guy when I was younger

[shell sonnet]

No, this issue predates JWE

[peak hazel]

I think part of that is just because ichthyosaur taxonomy is like that

a bunch of them were just species of Ichthyosaurus for a while

and even now stuff is assinged to Platypterygius and Temnodontosaurus that really shouldn't be

[shell sonnet]

I have seen plenty of books (usually British ones) that will use "Ichtyosaur" and "Pleisosaur" as a synonyms for the genera they're named after. That creates a certain impression.

[ancient ibex]

Touche

Plesiosaurs also fall to that

Highly diverse across the entire mesozoic

But the only aknowledgement of that is when the focus is placed on pliosaurs being plesiosaurs, and thus "a long necked and a short necked one"

[peak hazel]

I think even within the long necked ones theres a lot of diversity

just even more so when you add pliosaurs and polycotalids

[outer moth]

I blame JWE for any mismanagement of any extinct clade’s diversity in general

And yeah, more ichthyosaur representation in general is good representation

[ancient ibex]

I mean

[peak hazel]

I also recon people who don't know ichthyosaurs just assume they look samey

even when they don't

[ancient ibex]

Ophthalmosaurus is lowkey beluga or pilot whale coded next to Ichthyo

[peak hazel]

always forget how much larger Opthalmo is

I also always forget that its Ophthalmo

[outer moth]

Temndonto n Ophlamo are ones I can think of off the top of my head

[ancient ibex]

Temnodonto goes hard

[peak hazel]

I hate Temnodontosaurus taxonomy but its a very awesome creature

[shell sonnet]

Assuming we do get aquatics, one Icthyosaur is fine to start with. But it's definitely a group that ideally would have 3-5 reps in game

[ancient ibex]

I'm leery due to JWE lol

[outer moth]

“Triassic giant” gets glazed too much by powerscaling awesomebros, but I’d like a bigger ichthyosaur as well

[ancient ibex]

Friggin' annoyed at how 3 doubled down on the goddamn fish

[peak hazel]

I'd like a lot of them but I think I'd prioritise Ichthyo, Shoni/Shasta, Cymbospondylus and Temnodontosaurus

[outer moth]

Only makes me more scared for how they might plan on doing PZ2’s aquatic system

It’s Frontier, after all

[ancient ibex]

Eh, PZ packs have always been larger than JWE ones

PZ in general has always been more intricate than JWE

[peak hazel]

I'd hope they rectify the issues with lagoons by the end of jwe3s lifespan

[outer moth]

Been pretty sloppy as of late, so I’m hoping some major changes happen in PZ2

[peak hazel]

in general the roster diversity just isn't there

[ancient ibex]

The only new animal for the whole of lagoons and aviaries in 3 was accurate Tapejara

[peak hazel]

that eats fish

aviaries also lack roster diversity but its less bad

[shell sonnet]

JWE's problem was that they ignored the Mesozoic to grab two (popular, and in the case of Meg, a source of Yotuber clickbait) animals that shouldn't have been there.

Given that PK's timeline is wider, I have no problem saying that Dunk and Basilo should make it before a second Ichtyosaur. (Plus I want a very diverse starter pack: Leeds, Parapuzosia, Dako, and Jaekelopterus do that better than adding Shoni and Eurhino would).

[peak hazel]

I actually have this as a poster
its very cool

really gets the idea of Ichthyosaur diversity across

[peak hazel]

yeah I'd also like those guys

I think the base aquatic roster should be the essentials
which would be an ichthyosaur, plesiosaur, pliosaur, mosasaur, whale, thalattosuchian and some sort of palaeozoic guy

but ideally it'd have a huge amount of species diversity

[alpine thicket]

Dunk for Paleozoic?

That'd be my pick.

[shell sonnet]

Mosa, Dunk, Ichthy, Basil, Pleiso (over Elasmo), Krono, Leeds, Parapuzosia, Dako, and Jaekelopterus would be my ideal setup

[peak hazel]

yeah I like that

[shell sonnet]

I acknolwedge that it does leave out popular ones like Archelon and Helicoprion

[peak hazel]

honestly megalodon is one I think should be added but its much lower on my list then a lot of others

[alpine thicket]

Personally I like Elasmo better then Plesio on raw aesthetics but they can go either way and still be good there.
Either way this is kind of your good base full aquatic roster for sure.

[peak hazel]

Tylosaurus would also be good in a starting roster but I get that 2 big mosasaurs might be a bit much

[shell sonnet]

Tylo, strangely, doesn't seem that popular, based on the votes

[peak hazel]

weird

its always one of my go tos for marine animals

I get that it resembles Mosasaurus but because its a Russelosaurine its quite distinct if you know what you're looking at

[alpine thicket]

Tylo is really cool.

[shell sonnet]

Oh I agree, but I think JW officially ended the debate about which Mosasaur gets to be the poster child

[alpine thicket]

It also forms a little bit of contrast with Mosasaurus because like

Mosa was probably doing larger prey as I recall?

[peak hazel]

they're both incredibly large predators

[alpine thicket]

Yeah

I remember something about dentition here though but I could be totally off.

[plush nacelle]

Why JWE. It is clearly documentaries fault and people behind them for not willing to feature more than two of them

[peak hazel]

jwe probably does it because of how few ichthyosaurs there are in media generally

[plush nacelle]

I cant really think about single serious ichthyosaurus appearance

[peak hazel]

Ichthyosaurus is obviously known by default since its the name tied to the entire clade, one of the first prehistoric animals described and discovered

Ophthalmosaurus was in wwd

Cymbospondylus is in sea monsters

[plush nacelle]

Literally 2 cartoons and museum special with Attenborough

[alpine thicket]

To be entirely fair, the most "standard" icthyosaurs are also the weirdest and most unique in the public eye if you're going to have them in a piece of media.

[peak hazel]

theres a bunch of Temnodontosaurs in the natural history museum

[peak hazel]

Ichthyosaurs in general are horrible weird animals

[alpine thicket]

They are, but the ones that go the furthest with the fish-like bodyplan are the weirdest to the average person.

So like in terms of deciding which ones to feature I'm not surprised it's usually Icthyosaurus and others that are similar.

[peak hazel]

an affront to nature

probably isn't actually Temnodontosaurus but it is considered one

[plush nacelle]

Also aint the weirdest species and highest diversity from triassic, which is forgotten period by media

[peak hazel]

unfortunately

[ancient ibex]

I honestly am less invested in Cymbospondylus that most; it, like Plotosaurus, is a pretty much in-between Mosasaurus and Shonisaurus in shape, and I find either of those more interesting

Still cool

[peak hazel]

its my favourite of the ichthyosaurs

of the ones that have the typical ichthyosaur body plan
probably Temnodontosaurus or Eurhinosaurus

[alpine thicket]

mixosaurus mini-aquarium please

[peak hazel]

oh I'd like that

[alpine thicket]

I would too yes, it'd be pretty great.

[idle hearth]

Wow, 2026 to 2036 AKA 10 years from now will have lots of amazing prehistoric species (land, marine/aquatic, flying/larger aviaries & vivariums) throught the Paleozoic, Mesozoic & Cenozoic era in upcoming future DLC's, Updates & Expansions of PK (after it's full release 2027). Nice😁

[amber field]

Hopefully our kids will be able to play PK complete edition

[vital grove]

seriously if they just keep it up in such a way it will essentially become the largest collection of extinct species in a game and especially with realistic depictions i think that will always have a certain charm especially if it keeps getting more, they could easily do a dead by daylight and take the entire genre since the only competition is indominus rex and mutants

[plush nacelle]

Dunno

Frontier is too good at species spam for PK to became the largest collection

Realistic sure, but largest probably never

[vital grove]

frontier will release a base game dino from the 1st game as a dlc animal with a slightly updated model to, i think the devs are well on their way if you count the alt genera and species

also they lack other extinct things more than prehistoric kingdom does rn

like non dinosaurs

[silver steeple]

JWE does have non-dinos tho

[vital grove]

also the vivarium system does something the other zoo games just fail to do right

[silver steeple]

Not a ton but they do exist

[vital grove]

yeah pterosaurs and marine animals and i think probably dimetrodon im not up to date

[silver steeple]

Dimetro and Lystro are the main ones you can really compare

Since PK doesn't have non-viv aerials or aquatics

[vital grove]

i hope they can get enough funding with dlc to add those later

after that im pretty sure they can keep the playerbase alive with some free stuff in between dlcs

[silver steeple]

Also this is very much misleading imo, they've only done this on like 2 occasions and are porting all the species not in 3's launch from 2 for free

[vital grove]

3 got better then

because the switch from 1 to 2 was kinda bad

[silver steeple]

Even 2 barely did it

Other than the hybrids, Huyang (or one of the asian stegos at least) was the only paid animal that came from the first game

[vital grove]

if zoo games just allowed you to take dlc over to the next game honestly id justify it a lot more since graphics dont really increase anyway

[heavy scarab]

The reason I asked is because I was coming up with a hypothetical roster for a Marine DLC that would've consisted of 4 creatures each with an alternate for 8 total.

The 4 creatures would've been Mosasaurus
Elasmosaurus
Archelon
And either Ichthyosaurus or Ophthalmosaurus

[vital grove]

like as an introduction to a marine mechanic?

[heavy scarab]

Actually in my hypothetical scenario, the Recently Extinct DLC would've introduced aquatics with Steller's Sea Cow, this pack would be to flesh out the aquatic roster

[vital grove]

id say get a few more species and less alts if you want it to be to flesh out the roster after a hypothetical update adding it you should probably also look at things less likely to be in the initial update. 8-10 species 7-8 new models with 2 alts sounds fair

because mosa is probably one of the first to be added

in terms of roster id say 3 marine reptiles, archelon, a eurypterid or cameroceras, 1 cetecean and 2 fish

[heavy scarab]

My plan was to start with marine reptiles and save others for later DLCs also in my hypothetical scenario a eurypterid specifically Eurypterus would've been in the base game as a vivarium species

[vital grove]

i think they are to big for a vivarium

ideally they would be enclosure

so you can breed them etc

[vital grove]

tbh i think titanoboa should be the exception since snakes just dont move a lot even arhtropleura would at least be slowly browsing all the time

[heavy scarab]

Eurypterus is only 4 feet but the larger Jaekelopterus would've been a full enclosure species

[vital grove]

this i can get behind

smaller species in vivarium is okay

but jaekelopterus is to big

also tbh hibbertopterus can be an enclosure animal before aquatics are even added if they make it something that walks on the bottom of water since its to heavy and round to really swim. like a eurypterid hippo

before anyone says anything about vivariums

could be a cool enclosure animal that chills on land and is active on the bottom of water you place

[sinful spruce]

Only issue is babies tbh

[shell sonnet]

No that's 100 % a vivarium animal. It's roughly Tiktaklik size and it has a weird form of locomotion.

[heavy scarab]

When it comes to pterosaurs what is the size threshold between a full aviary animal and an arboreal vivarium one?

For example in my opinion Jeholopterus would be a great vivarium species but I'd like to see something like Rhamphorhynchus in a full aviary

[vital grove]

id say anything bigger than a goose

but specialized small aviaries might be possible

[coarse inlet]

Dimorphodon is peak vivarium pterosaur to me

since it's thought to have mostly hopped and climbed

[vivid field]

wait would it not have flown at all?

[cosmic cosmos]

it could still fly but was very terrestrial for a pterosaur

[vivid field]

cool :)

[coarse inlet]

About as much as a wild turkey does

[vivid field]

ah ok

that’s pretty cool, might have to incorporate some rock climbing enrichment

[coarse inlet]

They'd definitely go in the arboreal vivarium, they were very squirrel like in how they climbed

[vivid field]

oh yeah

[eager thunder]

Honestly dimorphodon looks like it might be a bit too big for a Vivarium

[cosmic cosmos]

nah dimorph is certainly small enough for vivs, especially considering its more terrestrial lifestyle

[eager thunder]

Guess this is more Mononykus sized

[outer crater]

The devs propbably want to hold off on pterosaurs until post-EA and a functioning aviary system for flyers is created

[wintry fulcrum]

I will probbsbly go in a way of making it yellowish ocre variations

[outer crater]

It’s a wasted opportunity that the female leatherhide is grey instead of brown

[primal gyro]

makes sense
but i think a few very small species would work fine in the existing vivariums

[primal gyro]

will add, but the vivariums aren't just there for tiny and hard to animate species, but also species that's struggling with the seemless onotogeny or breeding in general

so I think, no matter the size, arthropods and amphibians may be restricted to them

maybe some exceptions though?

[alpine thicket]

A lot of temnospondyls did not have a larval stage.

So in theory large ones shouldn't need to be vivarium animals.

[cosmic cosmos]

eurypterids dont go through any extreme cases through their growth, so as long as we get aquatics, the big ones could easily be full exhibit (eg Jaek and Hibbert)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurypterid#Ontogeny

[primal gyro]

oh sick
probably also depends on their nesting

but yeah if it's doable I'd love to see them as full fledged exhibit animals

[compact arrow]

that's where creative liberties' come on

[mint creek]

huh

[compact arrow]

put it this way

what is the mythological lock ness monster

[mint creek]

a myth

[compact arrow]

a dinosaur

[compact arrow]

and yes that too

[mint creek]

Well I don't think it's a dinosaur because it's not a descendant of the last common ancestor of Megalosaurus and Iguanodon on a count of being a myth

[compact arrow]

its an aquatic dino

lets say if mythical creatures existed they would be dead like a dodo or dino.

[mint creek]

Which clade does it fit in

[compact arrow]

lets say an harpy would descend from raptors

[mint creek]

Hmm I remain unconvinced. I'll be advoating against including mythical animals for the game in future.

[compact arrow]

creative libraries plus cool content

at least not in the base game

but still

[peak hazel]

WRONG

if the Loch Ness monster was a Plesiosaur (it isn't)

it'd be a Sauropterygian

completely unrelated

[peak hazel]

well you need to dig up the fossils which you can't do when theres no fossils

because they don't exist

[alpine thicket]

Mythological creatures have no place in this game.

[peak hazel]

theres a difference between wanting a Plesiosaur because theres a cryptid based on it and wanting the cryptid

the game is called prehistoric kingdom
as in the animals existed at one point

[shell sonnet]

Allow me to make a different suggestion

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1951060/Fantasy_Zoo/

Steam

Fantasy Zoo

What if a powerful wizard wanted to build a zoo for all kinds of different fantasy animals? Build your own zoo for many unique creatures. Instead of normal animals like elephants or lions, fill the zoo with monsters like dragons and griffins.

Animals with quirks
30 Different animals from mythology and pop culture fantasy. Build a good enclosure…

Price

$8.99

No clue if the game is good

[flint sable]

even if they did, they could probably have just cut it

like how plateosaurus got it's quadropedal newborn stage skipped

[feral cedar]

hey guys I have a suggestion. It’s kind of obscure but could be a great animal to add

Who here has heard of Pachycephalosaurus?

[peak hazel]

what?

thats way too obscure

[mint creek]

Nah that's lame

They should add Stygimoloch

[cosmic cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/does-he-know-paul-dano-riddler-somarra-gif-835799788689308789

[vital grove]

is the other one stygi? or could it be prenocephale

[peak hazel]

its spinifer

[vital grove]

ah okay

would like preno to cohab them with protoceratops and oviraptor

[shell sonnet]

Preno is from Nemegt, not Djadochta

[cosmic cosmos]

Nemegt x Djadochta truthers 🤫

[short rover]

So yes, stygi

[vital grove]

i want my dinosaur planet enclosure

[desert flame]

Dracorex may be added as a juvenile form of Pachycephalosaurus.

[desert flame]

With the addition of the lagoon's surface, we hope that semi-aquatic marine animals will be added in the future.
For example, prehistoric penguins.

[shell sonnet]

Unless there's diving (and there almost certainly won't be) I really do not care for penguins or other aquatic birds

[coarse inlet]

That’s not what they said. Just that it’d require a dedicated DLC post launch for stuff like that

[shell sonnet]

#pk-discussion message

[tardy whale]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-age-scrat-acorn-gif-10258174576116894408

[limber needle]

also give climbing to ursus, velo, and baby utahs at the same time

[dull prism]

Climbing for large male ursus is going to look silly

Maybe have a 400kg weight limit for it

So it’s only young bears and females

[limber needle]

tree snap anim

could be utilised as well for large animals during combat or herbivores feeding, as elephants in the modern day do this

[coarse inlet]

I once saw a grizzly bear climb a tree then get too scared to climb down so he was stuck for a bit but then fell (he was fine, it was like 5 feet)

[dull prism]

That’s sick

[dull aurora]

Also if megalania is added baby megalania could prolly climb

[vocal mantle]

I'd love to have any sort of megaraptor, like maip

[short rover]

australovenator with a megaraptor alt is my pick

[steep carbon]

What did man say to get this hate?

[peak hazel]

suggested an entire list of fantasy creatures

[steep carbon]

Ah

[short rover]

lmao

[lean hound]

He didn't get any hate

Idk what he expected suggesting animals that have never existed for a game about prehistoric animals

[steep carbon]

Entirely fair reaction lol

[vocal mantle]

Trueeee I just love maip. Personal bias but australovenator is beyond goated

[shy vale]

would've had joaquinraptor instead tbh

because it's more complete

[short rover]

yea id be fine with either, mega just has name recognition

sounds cooler to more casual people playing the game, its a good attention grabber imo

lets people see how cool megaraptorans are

[outer crater]

It’s actually similar completeness to megaraptor

[coarse inlet]

Megaraptor is such a better pick idk why people are obsessed with Australovenator

[fiery crow]

let people want Australo jesus christ

just because you don’t want it doesn’t mean other people don’t

[short rover]

its a cool size niche and from australia

[short rover]

no need to get upset, theyre just expressing their opinion too

[fiery crow]

I’m expressing my opinion, too

[short rover]

and youre doing it aggressively, no need for that

[coarse inlet]

I guess, but it’s not nearly as weird as South American megaraptorids so idk why it would be the first priority in the clade

[fiery crow]

and they weren’t?

[coarse inlet]

Tbf I was a little too judgmental

[short rover]

cuz it has a unique size niche and its from australia

[coarse inlet]

You already said that

It doesn’t change that it’s less visually unique

[short rover]

youre catching on...

[silver steeple]

Both are cool

[short rover]

trug

[silver steeple]

I just don't think they work as alts of each other

[short rover]

how so?

[coarse inlet]

Yeah this is the Utahraptor Deinonychus thing again

Just because they’re in the same clade doesn’t make them good alts

[short rover]

arent most megaraptorans frag enough where ontogeny makes a pretty convincing alt in either case?

[silver steeple]

Their proportional differences are just a bit too much imo

[plush nacelle]

They pretty much are

[coarse inlet]

Not in this case because what does overlap is quite visually distinct

[silver steeple]

Not between the SA and Aus ones

[short rover]

hm

[silver steeple]

Almost any of the SA megs are good to alt tho

[coarse inlet]

Australovenator’s forelimbs are way more typical than South American megaraptorids had

[silver steeple]

I'd personally go for Mega/Maip

Maybe there's something like Orko or Aero you could throw in as a 3rd but Mega carries enough for it to have 2 skins in my book

[coarse inlet]

Agreed

[short rover]

as long as we get a megaraptoran of zome kind im happy

preferably at least 2

[silver steeple]

Same

[coarse inlet]

Speaking of gondwanan theropods We need at least 3 ceratosaurs, preferably 5

(Ceratosaurus, 2 abelisaurids, a noasaurine, and an elaphrosaurine)

[shy vale]

one of the abelisaurs is definitely carnotaurus

i think that's going to be included in update 19

in terms of noasaurs, i would go with masiakasaurus and limusaurus (or elaphrosaurus)

[short rover]

masiaka would be a cool smaller guy

a scaly small theropod is a unique pick

or assumedly scaly

[alpine thicket]

Scaly Masiaka is the correct pick, not just because likelihood but also since it'd contrast a lot of the other small theropods in the game.

[short rover]

im a feather maximalist so this "likelihood" you speak of is meaningless in my eyes

i just think scaly masiaka differentiates itself more ingame

[compact arrow]

Sauropterygia ("lizard flippers") is an extinct, diverse taxon of aquatic reptiles that developed from terrestrial ancestors soon after the end-Permian extinction and flourished during the Mesozoic before they became extinct at the end of that era. https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/546667-Sauropterygia

[short rover]

ok

[compact arrow]

check?

[short rover]

check what?

[compact arrow]

checkmate

[alpine thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-anime-cute-chibi-confused-gif-16978993

[short rover]

some interesting critters out today

[compact arrow]

please let me have this win (im not verry smart)

[toxic oriole]

I'm once again asking for Maiopatagium, the largest gliding mammal of the Mesozoic

Arboreal vivarium mammal I suppose

[shy vale]

but plesiosaurs are saruopterygians?

and pliosaurs

and placodonts

and nothosaurs

[peak hazel]

Thanks for hitting me with a definition I already knew

What's the point you're trying to make

[mint creek]

Just ignore him

[peak hazel]

Vro you're forgetting Pachypleurosaurs

(I also do regularly)

[cosmic cosmos]

My ideal base release lineup for full exhibit pterosaurs would be Pteranodon longiceps/sterbergi, Rhamphorhynchus muensteri/Harpactognathus gentryii, Tupandactylus imperator/navigans and Quetzalcoatlus northropi/lawsoni

[vital grove]

its okay but id expect 1 bird to come with these atleast, argentavis?

[cosmic cosmos]

this was only pterosaurs, birds are a seperate matter

[feral cedar]

not to parade on your rain but lawsoni might get its own genus

Quite frankly I’m surprised that someone found one of the most complete azhdarchids to possibly not belong in the Quetzalcoatlus genus and just shrugged and didn’t name a new one

We could’ve had Nanoquetzalcoatlus lawsoni

[cosmic cosmos]

either way, good size difference and great material, would still be a cool alt

[feral cedar]

Oh absolutely

[vital grove]

i understand but id expect a flyer update to have both tbh

its good for just pterosaurs those are solid picks but id expect 1 or 2 birds

[short rover]

Harpactognathus is so random, why did you choose it?

[outer crater]

It's good

[short rover]

Why

It’s known from an incomplete rostrum and all it does is add another ramph to the hypothetical roster when that could be so many other pterosaurs that diversify the selection

Tropeognathus, dsungaripterus, pterodaustro, thalassadromeus…

[outer moth]

Probably cuz Morrison pterosaur, but idk

[lean hound]

It's a shame the Morrison doesn't really have any pterosaurs known from decent remains

[outer moth]

A good choice would be Pterorynchus

Recently found out abt it and it looks really nice

[feral cedar]

it’s an alt though

[short rover]

Ohhh

That explains it

[desert flame]

Pterosaur I want is one of the Anurognatidae family.

[shy vale]

add an anurognathid and a ctenochasmatid

maybe jeholopterus and ctenochasma? (yes i know about pterodaustro but that's the only thing from its formation)

(at least there would be a 2nd tiaojishan and a 3rd solnhofen animal?)

[coarse inlet]

My lineup would be pretty similar: Pteranodon longiceps/sternbergi, Quetzalcoatlus/Thanatosdrakon, Rhamphorhynchus, Tropeognathus, Tupandactylus navigans/imperator, and Thalassodromeus. For vivariums, Dimorphodon, Pterodactylus, Jeholopterus, and Kunpengopterus

While I hate the name Thanatosdrakon it’s also the best reference for what Q. northropi would look like so including it just makes sense

[short rover]

Not including alts mine would be pteranodon, quetz, ramph, dsunga, pterodaustro, tupan, tropeo, thalasso, nyctosaurus, and for an out of the box pick, istiodactylus

So that’s 10 non vivarium pterosaurs

[coarse inlet]

Istiodactylus is a good one

[feral cedar]

Vulturodactylus over here

[short rover]

Weird scavenger dude

Adds some variety

[coarse inlet]

Yeah

Your 10 are all good picks

A perch module would be good to have for Tupandactylus and Rhamphorhynchus though

[shell sonnet]

This is a good list, though I'd proably drop the last two for some birds if we're talking about an aviary starting set in general

[short rover]

Oh I def would

That’s why they’re at the end

I’d replace em for pelagornis and argent

If push came to shove

[coarse inlet]

True

[shell sonnet]

Argent or Teratornis, I'm not picky

[short rover]

IMO they’d be alts

[short rover]

I imagine Tupan was quite nimble considering it was a frugivore

[coarse inlet]

Yeah but they were probably arboreal

[alpine thicket]

I actually do think Hatzy is pretty worthwhile, but is better for dlc then base.

[coarse inlet]

Yeah I would include Hatzegopteryx except there’s more non azhdarchids I’d want first

[alpine thicket]

Quetz you get first, Hatzy for dlc

[slim flare]

Holding out delusional hope that Nanotyrannus comes as a surprise in U19

[wary nacelle]

April fools day update where we get chimera dinosaurs like Saurophaganax and Archaeoraptor

[mint creek]

and Nanotyrannus

[peak hazel]

yeah about that first one

[slim flare]

Is it a chimera if the holotype isn’t a chimera?

[short rover]

Yea it’s at the back of my mind but I left it as a dlc creature. Star power and uniqueness but I want a diverse base roster

[short rover]

New level of pk delusion

[slim flare]

I mean it’s pretty low

[plush nacelle]

If we put all popular and important pterosaurs in base game then who is making into DLC

[short rover]

All the other awesome pterosaurs that exist (there’s a shit ton)

[coarse inlet]

We just said, Hatzegopteryx

[slim flare]

*6

[dull prism]

I soul can dream

[eager thunder]

If they do add it I hope it gets feathers

[alpine thicket]

Nano integument is up in the air, given we have evidence for both feathers and scales in tyrannosauroids.
So I'd say it should get both.

[eager thunder]

That blue feather nano

[alpine thicket]

What are some other good dlc pterosaurs? I'm blanking at the moment and like others I think that Pterodaustro and Dsungaripterus should be base roster

[shy vale]

one of the australian pterosaurs could be a good dlc option

personally i would go with aussiedraco because then there's targaryendraconid representation

[slim flare]

Are any known from good remains and unique?

[shy vale]

ferrodraco is the most complete, though that's not saying much

[peak hazel]

could work as an alt for a different Anhanguerid?

[shy vale]

i would say maybe ferrodraco as an alt for tropeognathus?

[short rover]

I suppose I’m mostly thinking of minis

But those alone could be enough to fill a dlc by themselves

[feral cedar]

actually Haliskia took that title

I’m not arguing against Ferrodraco I’m just saying

[shy vale]

i see

[shell sonnet]

Hatezg should come in a DLC with the rest of the ecosystem.

[feral cedar]

Hatzegopteryx with Struthiosaurus, Telmatosaurus, Zalmoxes, and whatever is the most stable dwarf titanosaur

peak pack

[shy vale]

paludititan i would argue

also telmatosaurus should have a kryptohadros alt

[toxic oriole]

Why paludititan, why not magy?

[shy vale]

more certainty over size estimates

[simple dawn]

cotylorhynchus

look at the reactions for the thread lmao

[flint sable]

[simple dawn]

shut

[flint sable]

no good way

[simple dawn]

oh

keep talking then :3

[flint sable]

[cosmic cosmos]

Morrison pterosaur, and it's an alt

[simple dawn]

Is that jehilopterus?

[simple dawn]

holding out another delusional hope that cotylorhynchus comes out

[chilly vessel]

Acheroraptor isn’t chimeric, it’s Dakotaraptor that’s potentially chimeric.

[wary nacelle]

I mean

it's a manmade chimera

[cosmic cosmos]

you are thiniking of Archaeoraptor, not Acheroraptor

[wary nacelle]

same thing

[cosmic cosmos]

no

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeoraptor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acheroraptor

[chilly vessel]

Wait, there’s a difference between Acheroraptor and Archeroraptor? When I googled Archeroraptor, it just showed me Acheroraptor.

[wary nacelle]

it's called sarcasm

[cosmic cosmos]

sarcasm is impossible to pick up on, on the internet

[chilly vessel]

Wait, I misspelled it. Okay, my mistake. Sorry.

Turns out he was right the first time. Archaeoraptor is actually a hoax fossil.

[wary nacelle]

which is what I said in the original message mind you

[chilly vessel]

Yeah, that’s why I was saying.

You were right the first time.

[cosmic cosmos]

i didnt read the original message, only saw from what moon said

[chilly vessel]

Yeah, I got mixed up. That’s my bad.

[tardy whale]

Ô bebê...

[tardy whale]

BAT-FROG!!!!!

[true pivot]

First I've heard of this dude but I'm sold, a Jurassic colugo is so cool

[simple dawn]

cotylorhynchus

[true pivot]

Maiopatagium and Dimorphodon are probably my ideal picks for arboreal vivariums now

Still holding out hope for Beelzebufo. Need something else for the Maevarano formation

[slow shoal]

Falcatakely

[true pivot]

Yesss

[hot sable]

I’m new to this server so idk if this has already been suggested, but I would love to see a Mirabilis alt species for Spinosaurus🙏🏼

Also is there like a dedicated QnA channel? I have many questions🥲

[rigid spindle]

#pk-discussion is probably best for that

[hot sable]

Awesome thank you, I assumed that would be the case if there was like a specific channel for it

[shell sonnet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pkgame/comments/1r9eddj/comment/o6g2pnn/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[simple dawn]

cotylorhynchus

need I explain more?

[desert flame]

no
Sinomacrops

[simple dawn]

ahaha!

[harsh panther]

Hello, I would like to share here not only the species but also the general idea behind them, which is that my idea consists of a fourth type of vivarium, completely aquatic, focused mainly on small to medium-sized aquatic creatures. Reusing the current mechanics of behavior and movement of existing vivariums, only adapting them, and as an added bonus to the presumed fully-aquatic vivariums where the smallest one could serve as a tide pool-like exhibit
Some examples of the animals are:
Atropods:
Anomalocaris Canadiensis
Ramskoeldia platyacantha
Hibbertopterus
Jaekelopterus howeli

• Some amonites
  Fishes:
  Sacabambaspis janvieri
  Materpiscis
  Stethacanthus altonensis
  Reptiles:
  Mixosaurus Cornalianus.
  By the way, the addition of this fourth vivarium could be a good implementation for update 18, the wetlands/aquatic update.

[simple dawn]

Cotylorhynchus*

[harsh panther]

Cothylorhyncus? I never mentioned to the coty lol

[simple dawn]

cotylorhynchus is bets hynchus

best*

[harsh panther]

Literally forgot to go to the library to train it's brain

[simple dawn]

:/

it didnt have library

cotylorhynchus dont need library

cotylorhynchus is pinnacle of evolution

[harsh panther]

Cotylorhincus= Kars from JJBA

[simple dawn]

HOW DARE YOUUU

[harsh panther]

Coty is bether than kars btw

[simple dawn]

COTY CANNOT BE COMPARED TO ANYTHING

[rigid spindle]

Coty is love

Coty is life

[peak hazel]

I forgot which species of Jaekelopterus is the small one

if thats not the small one it might not be good for a vivarium

[loud pelican]

If we get horses, besides Eohippus, can we also get Probocidiparion? Please I want my tapir horse.

[hot sable]

😔

My beloved

[proper maple]

the only thing that beats coty is the best

dibango volans

[simple dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/blasphemy-lies-gif-21274018

[proper maple]

dibango solos

sorry man

its the truth

[heavy scarab]

One mammal I'd really like to see is Eohippus though given it's size it could work as a vivarium animal

[limber needle]

me when i lie

[harsh panther]

There is a species within the genus Jaekelopterus that is way smaller

So yeah i searched it, is the small one

[cosmic cosmos]

@low bridge tell this guy about all the peak mammals we need

[low bridge]

😶

[polar tinsel]

Inform this paleontologically illiterate man, would eohippus and propalaeotherium work as variants?

[low bridge]

Not Vivarium mammal but Aepycamelus, Synthetoceras, Menoceras, Platybelodon would be fun to have

[polar tinsel]

Platybelodon would be peak

[plush nacelle]

No

[polar tinsel]

Then again there's dozen elephants and elephant like animals that I would like to see

[plush nacelle]

Moving aside morphology vivarium critters have no alternative variants

[polar tinsel]

True

In that case I prefer Propalaeotherium

[low bridge]

Menoceras is Unique because of 2 things:

1. Very social Rhino and small
2. He has 2 little horns on face

[polar tinsel]

Looked it up, it's pretty cool, wouldn't mind

[harsh panther]

4 arboreal vivarium could be cool having iberomesornis

[polar tinsel]

Also, I don't know what are dev limits on small animals, but small horses don't have to be vivarium animals, no?

[low bridge]

He likes hot springs like Agate one

[harsh panther]

I think It' depends of the size of the genus

[low bridge]

Chalicothere is needed

Badly

[polar tinsel]

Moropus to pair with Menoceras and later Daeodon

[cosmic cosmos]

Aussie marsupials

[low bridge]

Synthetoceras too

[polar tinsel]

I would love Palorchestes with trunked and trunkless variants. Also Hulitherium would be fun to animate, giant panda wombat.

[polar tinsel]

Whole Agate DLC, I wouldn't complain

[low bridge]

Would be nice if it will cost like 5-7,5$

[polar tinsel]

Generally fossil formation DLCs would be cool, just don't know how consistent would that be

[polar tinsel]

Would be, we'll see how they price stuff, PZ dlcs with 4 animals and scenery are bit more expensive

[low bridge]

I think that Dlc with Peak Creatures should cost like 9 to 10 $

Maybe Yang, Bramatherium, Mamenchisaurus, Concavenator in one pack for 10 $ would sell nicely

🥱

[cosmic cosmos]

Concanvenator and Pelecanimimus would be amazing additions

[low bridge]

Maip Macrothorax meanwhile

[left spear]

That might be a bit cheap tbh, for 4 species 15$ sounds more right

But good suggestions nontheless

[feral cedar]

This isn’t an ideal pack roster

Yang and Mamenchi should be featured in a Late Jurassic DLC, alongside a bunch of other Chinese dinosaurs

Conca is interesting. Discussion here has convinced me on a Barremian Europe pack, which it could headline

[ancient ibex]

Jurassic China and Barremian Europe are damn fine pack concepts IMO

[feral cedar]

Hell yeah

[ancient ibex]

Yi needs neighbors hehe

Iggy is getting Bary soon enough, but cool stuff could work alongside them

[feral cedar]

I want Iggy to get some friends

[ancient ibex]

Ourano can work as a close enough thing to Istiorachis

[feral cedar]

Sprinkle in a pola or two among a large herd and get a little family of hypsis skittering through the legs

[ancient ibex]

But yeah, Hypsi, Pola and Pelecanimimus are IMO good additions

[feral cedar]

ooh right, and the iggy/hypsi/pola exhibit has some shallow rivers where pelecanis snap up fish

[ancient ibex]

With Bary and Conca housed nearby but not alongside them

[feral cedar]

Prehistoric Kingdom: Barremian Europe

I would make it so bary and pelecani’s water sources are connected

[ancient ibex]

Working with biotas is cool