Community Species Suggestions

[eager thunder]

I was looking for its name

Karaurus

[amber field]

Oh nice it relative to to day amphibians

[eager thunder]

Jurassic amphibians in general are super interesting tho so I think they’re ought to be more of them

Currently we have. 0 so can only really go up

[amber field]

I remembered knowing about Morrison one

[wary nacelle]

Stratodus

My golly I want aquariums like now

[eager thunder]

Plesiosaur aquarium [so cool]

[pseudo folio]

beelzebufo for the vivariums in case no one has asked yet

[rigid spindle]

Pretty much every animal known to science has been requested in this channel

But beelze would be awesome to see someday

[flint sable]

not really

pmuch dinosaurs and mammals

everything outside of that

calymene is one of the most common species of trilobite and its only been brought up 6 times

[alpine thicket]

I think because Trilobites typically get suggested as a whole rather then picking out a specific species.

[eager thunder]

Ammonites

[amber field]

I think to do marathon to name every famille of both

[burnt gate]

Wait

Why is t-mic controversial

[shy vale]

i think the only ones people would know are like diplomoceras

because prehistoric planet and weird shapes

[flint sable]

I know a few but thats because they are hyperspecific to them surviving the KPG

briefly

hoploscaphites, baculutes, scaphites

I also know titanites and parapuzoia as the big guys

[simple dawn]

I woke up in a cold sweat last night

Since nannotyrannus is a valid genus

I would like to see it

[alpine thicket]

Personally think it'd be a great DLC animal.

like that DLC would definitely sell

I'd buy it for sure.

[median relic]

put it in a pack/update with troodon

[simple dawn]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[median relic]

https://tenor.com/view/daddy-daddy-yes-plankton-spongebob-daddy-plankton-gif-22277191

[simple dawn]

daddy?

[proper maple]

if we got aquariums i feel like we would need at least a few just small random fish and one of the perfect candidates for that is my goat furcacauda

and oncorhynchus rastrosus

[simple dawn]

oh hes ugly

[rigid spindle]

Not exactly small, but ok

[proper maple]

ok well

yeah

i didnt really thing of that cuz i thought of rastrosus after

[rigid spindle]

If we get a freshwater version of aquariums, that would probably be one of my top picks

[proper maple]

and rhizodus ofc

[rigid spindle]

Maybe prionosuchus too

Depending on if those little stick legs could hold it's body up

[smoky geyser]

Eretmorhipis appreciation post

[magic grotto]

babi

[pliant hinge]

Onchopristis

[smoky spear]

https://klipy.com/gifs/dinosaur-swimming

[wintry fulcrum]

I think that for aquatics is better to free roam in painted water, but restricted at certain depth variying from species to species

[flint sable]

https://tenor.com/view/man-running-out-of-restaurant-man-eating-man-eating-and-running-cartoon-eating-cartoon-man-running-gif-24721662

[pliant hinge]

Platecarpus

also Globidens since it's a really unique Mosasaurid

[short rover]

Globidens would be cool but I don’t find platecarpus to be a very captivating addition

[feral cedar]

I think Globidens is a little overrated ngl

It’s cool, but once it stops trying to eat it’s just another medium sized mosasaur, so I find it very interchangeable with the plioplatecarpines

[tidal flame]

I feel if aquatics do get added some Thalattosuchians would be interesting

[peak hazel]

Dakosaurus please

[tidal flame]

More crocodylomorphs in general like machimosaurus

[harsh oxide]

dang, i keep forgetting they're tiny. i keep thinking they're like big iguana or mediam croc sized

[smoky geyser]

I mean they are basically triassic platipi . I just think they'd give triassic rep, be a good choice for fully aquatic exhibits as well as being cutie patooties

[tardy whale]

Are you sure these guys aren't different individuals of the same species with different ages?

What bird is this?

[flint sable]

baby seriema

not sure which of the two species

[silver steeple]

I'm fairly certain all 4 of these are from different formations spanning several millions of years and hundreds of miles

So I'd really really doubt it

[tidal flame]

Hypsilophodon and Nanosaurus when?

[peak hazel]

Well I believe juvenile Herrerasaur fossils are known

And they don't look like the smaller Herrerasaurids

[tough vault]

I think teraterpeton would be cool as a terrarium creature! I learned about them today. Their faces are like :>

[lean hound]

You should avoid using prehistoric wildlife for size comparisons

they're often inaccurate

[tough vault]

Oh I didn’t know that

[left spear]

Welsh?

[hollow flower]

If youre asking about where its from, its from Nova scotia

[left spear]

Brythonic enough

[lean hound]

Looks welsh somehow tbf

[coarse inlet]

Why did they make it look like that lol

It’s a trilophosaur why would it have a short tail

[silver steeple]

Apparently the caudal verts being small indicates such?

If you zoom into the image it says it in the top right

[neat grove]

Definitely would be cool

[final quest]

my friend wants tarchia

[warm ice]

Ajnabia, or Tethyshadros
A small hadrosaur of some kind would be great

[hollow flower]

Somehow I also agree with this

[shy vale]

tethyshadros isn't strictly speaking, a hadrosaur

it's a hadrosauroid

[warm ice]

You know what I mean

[feral cedar]

a small hadrosaur would be nice, I think Telmatosaurus has great contemporaries

[toxic oriole]

The recently named Kryptohadros could be an alt

Though uhhh, because of how it is a recently named species...
Eh, its not very popular right now

Then again it did come from Hateg Island

So thats something

[shell sonnet]

Telmatosaurus would be a nice because quite frankly, Hateg Island isn't really all the appealing if it's just going to be Hatzego and one of the many fragmentary dwarf sauropods

[shy vale]

yeah, telmatosaurus with kryptohadros alt could be cool

[shy vale]

well depends on the novelty of the new species though
like haolong got more attention than yeneen, for instance

[toxic oriole]

Not as popular as Spinosaurus mirabilis, thats for sure

Mirabilis be takin' up all the attention!

Can't blame them really

The scimitar spino has been a long time coming

[feral cedar]

Hatzegopteryx as the lead, and then Magyarosaurus + Telmatosaurus + Zalmoxes + Struthiosaurus enclosure

peak

[sharp dock]

me want doodoo bird

[burnt gate]

Albertosaurus would be a good add

[amber field]

It will come hopefully, because mau said "recently extinct " dlc is coming after launch and it will be one earlier ones

[sharp dock]

YAAAAYYY

[left spear]

Sorry Mau just got hunted to extinction by invasive Dodos so he sadly won't be able to make the dlc

[sharp dock]

me want mau bird

[eager thunder]

The homo mau

[ancient mountain]

the hunter wash giant tyrannosaur art by hodari nundu

why no @lean hound

[fresh ember]

The author behind Dinosaur Sanctuary gave a pretty good explanation as to why adding newly described species into your work all willy-nilly is a bad idea; Simply put, they straight-up compared it to letting a complete stranger into your house.

[ancient ibex]

It is also a single bone

[ancient mountain]

well it's more than a theory, this was a real animal

[fresh ember]

And there isn't really anything you can do to set it apart from the tyrannosaurs already ingame.

[ancient mountain]

it's a new dinosaur sure but you introduce more people to it

[fresh ember]

That's not a good idea at all.

[lean hound]

Terrible reasoning

[ancient mountain]

why? now more people would know about it

[lean hound]

Adding an animal known from a single bone that doesn't have anything particularly interesting about it (afaik) because it's new and could introduce more people to it is very silly

Making new animals costs a lot of money

[ancient mountain]

well that's your opinion ☺️ we'll see what the future holds

[fresh ember]

They even made it clear that the new Spinosaurus species is unlikely to be added either owing to this reason.

And that's even more interesting than this new guy.

[lean hound]

Probably not whatever this unnamed bone is

[ancient ibex]

Not all opinions are equal

And, at the end of the day, bigass Albertosaurines and Daspletosaurs wouldn't be farfetched

This guy is a tibia with grifter Longrich as lead author

[silver steeple]

C'mon Skiwee, throwing this kinda stuff around here is low hanging fruit and you know it

[peak hazel]

this creature isn't named and not diagnostic from my understanding

why should that be in the game

[silver steeple]

Ignore him

He's trying to joke around

[peak hazel]

I wanted to say my piece on it

vro seems to be pretty serious about adding it

[silver steeple]

He is not

[ancient ibex]

"I will pretend to have a shit take while I actually do not to troll other people" is about the dumbest possible move

[digital pendant]

ah so confirmation of trolling

no wonder, his previous posts reeked as such

[peak hazel]

iq too high?

[shell sonnet]

Yeah that would be go, Zalmoxes being a mess right now isn't help though

[eager thunder]

Megalania/Varanus priscus https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRVYn5wXpEyNoG0rl5dsCvl7wa_KP7aFjXYe7RB4SFeCxj2wSolOG25g7W0-K-IfhBLpkdXOEFRT9kzaEOoYutPohqJaH2gayLxhrAKVRA&s=10

Large lad

[mint creek]

Titanoboa, Deinosuchus and Megalania to complete the famous giant reptile trilogy

[toxic oriole]

Pair it with Gorgosaurus and boom, you get two closely related animals, both of which are good species!

[toxic oriole]

One down, two to go....

[ancient ibex]

Megalochelys as well IMO

[toxic oriole]

Archelon later?

[mint creek]

Good shout

[ancient ibex]

I still stand by Megalochelys, Stupendemys, Archelon and Meiolania quartet for big turt rep

[coarse inlet]

Agreed

That tube faced guy would be neat too but those four feel very important

[amber field]

I really want to see a pk version of it , I loved the jwe one

[outer moth]

What about species such as Asiatyrannus or Yanbeilong?

[shy vale]

asiatyrannus may just be a juvenile of a tarbosaurus-relative or something

yanbeilong though has the whole "it was one of the last stegosaurs" and being in the netflix dinosaurs
dravidosaurus? what's that?

[silver steeple]

It is not

Asiatyrannus, as far as we can tell, is practically fully grown

Raptorex however does represent a juvenile of a larger (non-tarbosaurus) tyrannosaur

[shy vale]

i mean in a more recent paper it was said to be not fully grown though

it was the paper that described khankuuluu

[shy vale]

yeah that was what i meant

[alpine thicket]

pressing x

[ancient ibex]

"This 2.5 meter long tyrannosaurid, upon examination, doesn't appear to be near full grown" is not really a wild take, but you do you

[tidal flame]

What are everyone’s thoughts on juravenator?

[outer moth]

Damn, does that mean I have to take Asiatyrannus off of my park roster?

[outer moth]

Isn’t Asiatyrannus still a sub ad?

Makes sense it wouldn’t be fully grown

[cinder token]

Where’s the list for all the community species again?

[left spear]

Ask Pineapple

I think It was them that were doing the survey, otherwise gonna be a bit awkward

[reef crag]

Would love to see the oreodonts and dawn horse

[reef crag]

We also need more pre dinosaur stuff like gorgonopsid and dimetrodon

[shy vale]

also non-lissamphibian temnospondyls

and a crapton of aquarium stuff

[shell sonnet]

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeEaCjefDpH8edx3Y-aKESFRT7rIXZPyN4dQ4YMVWwTsx1UWg/viewform?usp=header

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9YXjOJj8AGqDq2MNTm67C66HxuTyiSRmHyT8EYSy_U/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[cosmic cosmos]

tyrannosauroid wishlist

Guanlong/Proceratosautus
Yutyrannus
Albertasaurus/Gorgosaurus
Alioramus/Qianzhousaurus
Australovenator
Megaraptor/Maip

Nanotyrannus or one of the appalachian tyrannosaurs would also be nice, but these are my top guys

[ancient ibex]

TTBT, for stuff around the base of Eutyrannosauria I quite like Alectrosaurus over the Maastrichian NA dudes; s'all cool tho

And Alectro itself is quite fragmentary indeed, but still, that general faunal stage that also includes Gigantoraptor is cool

[reef crag]

and trilobites since there on the vivarium research Icon for digsites

[lean hound]

They're not specifically for vivariums

it's for all paleozoic digsites

[reef crag]

I know but like a touch tank or somthing

[lean hound]

Just like how cenozoic digsites have a mammal paw, and mesozoic have a theropod foot

[lean hound]

I'm talking about the icon, not the animal

[reef crag]

Just saying they have a icon so they should be in game 😉

[desert flame]

If Deinosuchus is added in U18, I'd be happy if they reused the rig to add Sarcosuchus and Purussaurus as well.

[shell quest]

Hyperodapedon
-# the little "lizard mole"

[shy vale]

replace megaraptor with joaquinraptor

[eager thunder]

Vivarium or exhibit? How bugs this weirdo ?

*big

[shell quest]

eh its 50/50 its around 1.2-1.8 meters if i am right

so just on the border of both

[lean hound]

Probably varies, theres like 5 species

but vivarium

[eager thunder]

Neato

[amber field]

There some ones , but I think most of them are smaller than Tiktaalik

Except the one stated above I think

[lean hound]

I hate when these sorts of images don't tell you which is which

[amber field]

Yeah , that's pretty annoying

[dapper sky]

Do we have any word on animals such as sarcosuchus being added?

[plush nacelle]

No

Deinosuchus on the other hand probably going to happen in U18

[dapper sky]

Along with the Baryonyx. Nice

[shy vale]

and ambulocetus apparently

[eager thunder]

Land whale hours

[dapper sky]

Ambulocetus is interesting

[fiery crow]

Ambulocetus is what I’m hoping

hoping we get a skin similar to the one in WwB

[dapper sky]

We definitely need some pre and post mesozoic animals

[heavy scarab]

Dimetrodon is of course at the top of the list

[reef crag]

And pre Mesozoic

[reef crag]

Mesozoic mammals would be fun

[vivid field]

i love ambulocetus i rlly hope we get it

[warm ice]

I’d say keep Megaraptor or Maip
Way more recognizable and less recent than Joaquinraptor

[eager thunder]

Permian Pals

[shy vale]

but joaquinraptor is more complete

[left spear]

Okey but Joaquinraptor is a silly name so It should be ignored

[cosmic cosmos]

more complete =/= better addition, especially when talking about a still decent taxon (for a megaraptoran) which is also the namesake of the group with a much more recognisable name

[calm sedge]

Suprised no one wants this cute thing in a vivarium..

Anurognathus

or this..strange one, Monkeydactyl.

Or any of these guys, the monkey lizards.

Think these would fit viviavarium animals.

[alpine thicket]

Anurognathus and Drepanosaurus are like

some of the most requested vivarium animals

[slow shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-fire-fnaf-3-ending-hospital-disaster-gif-1976739374427047349

peters moment

[slow shoal]

its actual name is Kunpengopterus

[calm sedge]

Didnt see them in the list when i went looking for vivi

[alpine thicket]

They're not in the game right now but like

They're very much desired.

[mossy ivy]

are they adding any fish into the game

[slow shoal]

tiktaalik is in game

[mossy ivy]

no like are the developers planning on adding any fish to the game, i know about tiktaalik but are they planning anything else

[slow shoal]

who knows 🤷‍♂️

[slim flare]

Everything in the game is fish

[cosmic cosmos]

depends on how you define "fish"

[silver steeple]

Correct

Imo the best way to define what makes a good addition is like so

[nova glacier]

Dimorphodon,yutyrannus,nanotyrannus,dienunychus,duonychus,therizinosaurus, concavanator

[peak hazel]

always bet on Cymbospondylus

[kind oriole]

we definitely need animals that 43% easy to reconstruct, 82% unique and have about 51% name power. give or take

[silver steeple]

You're missing the forest for the trees

[cosmic cosmos]

?

[kind oriole]

just a bad joke. It's one way of choosing animals

Though I still think Uniqueness can be divided into taxonomic, geographic and chronological diversity

[sharp sable]

drepano who was forecasted for U16 be like

[left spear]

Tbf that was because of the false hints

Mau that snake

[peak hazel]

snake...

titanoboa...

[sharp sable]

wait...

WE HAD THE SIGNS!11!!!!1!!111

istg if mr mau is seeing this and laughing maniacly while petting his white cat

like some bad guy genius from a 007 movie

[eager thunder]

Blofeld
That specific character your thinking of is called Blofeld

[feral cedar]

Ease of reconstruction is exactly what makes animals like Barbaridactylus unideal suggestions whereas a fragmentary animal like Polacanthus still has good potential

Barbaridactylus belongs to a clade with extraordinary diversity in crest shape while lacking the bones of its own crest, it’s like suggesting a lambeosaurine with no preserved crest

Meanwhile we have just enough material of Polacanthus that its close relation to Gastonia can be exploited for a reconstruction

[limber needle]

ive been saying this since october

[civic terrace]

Need these. 💯 % need these. Now. Can't wait any longer.

[full quartz]

they would be a good add, for me tho i really want to see a Sivatherium. Not made an enclosure for one of those critters since Zoo Tycoon 2!

[eager thunder]

Giraffoids my beloved

[buoyant zenith]

Without a doubt. If the African Sivatherium is put in and Deinotherium bozasi gets added, would love to make a section with them.

[eager thunder]

You know outside the Terror Birds what else in the Neogene was interesting

[silver steeple]

What do you mean

[hollow flower]

entelodont

Sebecids

Pelagornis and Argentavis

The funky elephants™

Megalodon

[silver steeple]

Yeah all of that basically

And like

Terror birds (Phorusrhacids) aren't a neogene exclusive group either

They go all the way back to the eocene

[shy vale]

also chalicotheres

[trail moth]

and livyatan no? atleast i think it's neogene

[shy vale]

yeah i think miocene is part of the neogene

[trail moth]

lazarussuchus is there, though choristoderes themselves go way back to the triassic iirc

[trail moth]

it seems to be

[shy vale]

also there was like 1 enteledont in the neogene, daeodon

[trail moth]

also not the most interesting but purussaurus

and some of the last desmostylians

though those would need diving

[shy vale]

also thalassocnus

[trail moth]

deinotherium though that's in the funky elephants

[shy vale]

proconsul

[trail moth]

megalochelys

[ancient ibex]

There is no hard faunal cutoff between the Pliocene and Pleistocene anyway

Quaternary is fake lol

[eager thunder]

I honestly just struggled to find interesting Neogene animals

[ancient ibex]

Daeodon

Deinotherium

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Miocene_Artiodactyla

[flint sable]

this aged really well

[amber field]

But there peak in diversity was in the miocene 🤷‍♂️

[tardy jungle]

Bro who is that

Gotta get us a tapir in the game (tapirs are my fav animals). The Giant Tapir would be a dope addition

[limber needle]

The sebecids and other crocs

[plush nacelle]

In neogene:

[vast berry]

Ajnabia; the first African Hadrosaur to be found

[plush nacelle]

We have such places as la venta, sansan, riversleigh, santa cruz, ashfall fossil beds

To sum up for interesting animals

[vast berry]

Stegotetrabelodon should be added, as it closely resembles the Mumakil/Oliphaunts in Lord of the Rings

[plush nacelle]

Elephants dispersed out of Africa evolving into many diverse forms

[vast berry]

Some ended up in New Zealand, where they were used as beasts of war, only to be taken down by horseriders, elves and the dead

[plush nacelle]

In north america you have protoceratids like synthetoceras and plenty weird camles like aepycamelus

Neogene was also period in which giant hyeanodonts persisted such as megistotherium and hyainailouros

Meanwhile in eurasia amphicyon was top dog

[peak hazel]

Megistotherium would be awesome

Amphicyon would also be awesome

[plush nacelle]

Knuckle-walking chalicotheres are also pretty much neogene thing

[vast berry]

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-alerted-the-horse-alert-deinotherium-walking-with-beasts-walking-with-dinosaurs-gif-3023295637816768770

[sharp dock]

huh I always found em pretty intuitive to follow

[nova glacier]

im saying pachycefalosaurus will be the fruitivor in u17 since the update add fighting and combat and the pachy is known to fight in combat with his skull

[silver steeple]

This is one of the easier ones to read

Some of them get pretty bad tho

[lean hound]

A lot of the time these sorts of photos are completely jumbled up

[sharp dock]

it would be easier if they were numbered ig

altho gotta say the proportions on jrcs hypero are p different to the one in the dinosaurs

[silver steeple]

I think the newer ones usually are

Like within the last couple years

[magic arch]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/life-on-our-planet/images/2/28/Arandaspis_life_on_our_planet.webp/revision/latest?cb=20240301003503

Boom

Gimme a exhibit with this guy

[magic arch]

Also hi narwhaler

[sharp dock]

hello

[shell sonnet]

Think that's too small

[magic arch]

It wouldn’t need much animations so I think it should be fine

[desert flame]

Platybelodon
I personally find it very memorable..

[eager thunder]

Ok at that point I probably just sucked at finding anything

[desert flame]

However, many people are probably unfamiliar with most of the animals from the Neogene period of the Cenozoic.
Most people only know animals from the Pleistocene epoch.

[eager thunder]

Frankly I am very ignorant about the Cenozoic periods compared to Mesozoic periods

[shell sonnet]

Looking it up, it's bigger than I remember at about 35 cm. It should be fine

[limber needle]

any big awawa enjoyers here (titanohyrax would be sick)

[lone heart]

That is unfortunate and this is one of the reasons why I commissioned many Neogene (and Paleogene) animals as PZ mods.

EOcene, Oligocene and MIocene (and to an extent Pliocene) are criminally underrepresented - I however got to know these fascinating species (or some of them) at an early age through a German Was ist Was book on extinct mammals.

Among them Titanohyrax and Kvabebihyrax

[lone heart]

Top bear and top dog of course.

Megisto, Amphicyon, Simbakubwa,

what I also would love are giant mustelids: Ekorus ekakeran, Megalictis ferox, Plesiogulo marshalli, Eomellivora spp.

Aepycamelus was mentioned, Oxydactylus would be good,
Non-Smilodon machairodontines (I have also commissioned quite a few of them)

[lost magnet]

There's no such thing as too many

[lost magnet]

Yes

[lost magnet]

Looks cool in theory
How are you gonna apply and plot it in the practical world?

[prime ridge]

Dodo bird

[silver steeple]

I mean its pretty simple

[misty flare]

I'm really hoping to see more Cenozoic animals because I think one of the biggest draws of PK for me was seeing animals like Paraceratherium in the game, which is something not many other zoo sims offer.

That being said, my core wishlist is something like

Dinosaurs:
Carnotaurus
Therizinosaurus
Shantungosaurus

Cenozoic:
Chalicotheres
Daeodon/Entelodonts
Terror Birds
Ambulocetus
Machrauchenia

[prime ridge]

dimetrodon would be so cool

[lean hound]

Carnotaurus is confirmed and probably coming in update 19, ambulocetus is speculated to be in update 18

[misty flare]

Glad to hear it!!!

[median relic]

was ambulocetus fully aquatic or not

[plush nacelle]

I think it could definitely go on land

The oldest known obligate aquatic cetaceans are basilosaurids

[stray pond]

more Dromaeosaurs

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/hyrax-my-beloved-my-beloved-gif-4209110334459528450

[eager thunder]

It’s occurred to me that with Utahraptor including we will only get 2 dromeos in 1.0

Which is fine but I’d like the deinonychus

[calm sedge]

Yes

[desert flame]

If you include Microraptor, there are three species.

[eager thunder]

I occasionally forget that that is considered a Dromeosaur

[limber needle]

Yeah but what if utahraptor has a secret achillobator alt that we don't know about

Won't be the first time the Devs add an extra animal into an update, look at sahonachelys

[cosmic cosmos]

Achillobator is not worth adding, just give me 4 good utah skins with different levels of feathering

[desert flame]

Sahonachelys was added because there were no other animals that fit in the box-shaped amphibious vivarium, so it wasn't a surprise addition.

[nova glacier]

would the dier wolf count sise technicly its no longer extinct

[mint creek]

Dire wolves are extinct and are a reasonable suggestion for the game

[peak hazel]

the dire wolf is very much extinct

[lean hound]

The colossal dire wolf is nothing like the real thing

[shell sonnet]

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeEaCjefDpH8edx3Y-aKESFRT7rIXZPyN4dQ4YMVWwTsx1UWg/viewform?usp=header

[cosmic cosmos]

btw, u missed boipeba from my suggestions

terrestrial viv

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/who-dat-snoop-gif-15116696

[cosmic cosmos]

Boipeba tayasuensis, giant blind snake

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/may-i-see-it-chalmers-gif-18367950853266778478

[plush nacelle]

known from a single precloacal vertebra

Woah

[short rover]

I think I’m the only person who put antarctopelta as one of my most wanted creatures

[shell sonnet]

Huh... I had that marked down as okay. It must not have been copied over. I'll add it back in when I update the results for end of March.

[shell sonnet]

It has 5 votes in the dino category; not a lot but not nothing.

[fallen ferry]

Hi

I'm just going to suggest this

[neat wind]

no flying and aquatics right?

[fallen ferry]

I think the current game has a serious lack of geographical diversity in terms of sauropods. They're all literally from the same formation (except for Argentinosaurus). Not only that, but it would also be great if they showed more size variety in this group. Dinosaurs like Amargasaurus or Nigersaurus would bring the diversity I'm talking about (especially Amargasaurus, since it's a unique animal and would offer many possibilities for skins).

[tidal flame]

Do you guys think hypsilophodon would constitute as an exhibit or vivarium species?

[fiery crow]

Isn’t Hypsi like

Dryo-height

[lean hound]

Dunno how accurate this is but

[shell sonnet]

No, it's a smaller animal. Third column, middle, that's hypsi, V-raptor is below that. Top second column is Mononykus

[shell sonnet]

for what sections? the last two are devoted to aquatics and larger flyers

[neat wind]

pachycephalosaurus isn't treated as confirmed is it?

[shell sonnet]

No

I haven't seen any evidence proving we're getting it

Just (reasonable) assumptions

[lean hound]

Eh still large enough for a full enclosure

[neat wind]

not sure if guanlong or herrerasaurus

[peak hazel]

for what

[neat wind]

for slot in the survey

[shell sonnet]

not denying that

[neat wind]

doubt between edmontonia/denversaurus and gastonia/polacanthus

[mint creek]

Is Borealopelta close enough to Edmontonia to be an alt of it or are they too different? idk much about nodosaurs

[plush nacelle]

At first glance osteoderm placement is too different for ontogeny purposes

[ancient ibex]

Borealopelta is useful for understanding nodosaurs in general, but not too great in terms of sticking it within a biota

I'd rather have multiple panoplosaurs as alts, and if Borealopelta influences the skin design, awesome

[feral cedar]

Borealopelta is kind of like the Kulindadromeus of nodosaurs

Exquisitely preserved fossil that gives us some interesting information regarding their general respective clades, but the animal itself is not exactly known from a charismatic fauna

And if you want an Albian nodosaurine from North America whose name also ends in -pelta, you've got Sauropelta. It even has some creed as one of the species that the PK devs considered for the game, only Sauropelta can be added with Tenontosaurus, Deinonychus, even Sauroposeidon possibly

[neat wind]

i've read denver instead of borealo in my head cause my message lol

[feral cedar]

Also this. Making a nodosaur have a reddish-brown skin akin to Borealopelta is just like giving something like Hypsilophodon or even Thescelosaurus the integument distribution (complete with a scaly tail) of Kulindadromeus

[short rover]

I’d prefer edmontonia / Denver with a boreal inspired skin

[feral cedar]

Edmontonia + Denversaurus has some grounding, especially since those two are an alt duo that fit right into the alts that the devs tend to favor

In dinosaurs, the devs seem to make it so alternate genera are two species with some degree of taxonomic intertwining. Tarbosaurus, Charonosaurus, Brontosaurus, etc. have had some lumps with their parent species, and Denversaurus was at one time interpreted as Edmontonia schlessmani

[mint creek]

Think I'd prefer Borealopelta

[shell sonnet]

Think I'd prefer Sauropelta

[neat wind]

is it necessary to have 10 non-Dino Mesozoics? cause i'd really like to use some of those spots for dinosaurs or even cenozoics

i have only a few non dino mesozoics

[nova glacier]

do i write diffrent species in two sections or one

[shell sonnet]

one section; they'd be alts

[shell sonnet]

You don't have to put 10 non-dino Mesozoic if you can't think of any, but I'm not going to count dinosaurs or cenozoics if you put them in those slots

[eager thunder]

I wonder if any sort of exhibit amphibian would work

[heavy scarab]

My favorite nodosaurid is Polacanthus and you could easily have Gastonia as an alternate genus for both European and North American representation

[short rover]

True

[peak hazel]

this would definitely be good

[tidal flame]

Could someone please reexplain what an alt is to me, I legit forgot.

[shell sonnet]

a variant of the skin system, though instead being the same animal it's either a different species or a very closely related genera; something that doesn't require much tweaking from the base

[rigid spindle]

An alt is another species/genus that takes the skin slot of another species because the original rig and model can be made into the alt with little work

[tidal flame]

So how the stego will be getting two species?

[rigid spindle]

Like the taco species or para and juxia

S. Ungulatus and S. (I forgot)

They're both species under the genus stegosaurus that have only a few minor differences modelling-wise

[tidal flame]

ok ty very much

[rigid spindle]

Np

[silver steeple]

S. stenops

[vast berry]

Arctotherium, the Giant Short-Faced Bear, should be added

[tidal flame]

do you guys think longisquama would be better suited as terrestrial or arboreal?

[slow shoal]

arboreal

[rigid spindle]

Arboreal or we riot

[shy vale]

should there be a mirasaura alt for longisquama considering they're close relatives?

[fresh ember]

Vivarium species don't get alts.

Otherwise we would've seen Sinosauropteryx as an alt for Compsognathus.

[shy vale]

yeah i know but i seriously think they should

[eager thunder]

Did the devs actually say this?

[silver steeple]

Yes

[nova glacier]

hi would Palaeeudyptes be an aquarium or a semi aquatic species

[silver steeple]

Aquarium prob

I can't see them doing flightless sea birds w/o diving especially at large sizes

[desert flame]

If we're talking arboreal animals, I'd like a Miacis.
The common ancestor of dogs and cats must be adorable.

[prime ridge]

concavenator and crylophosaurus

[desert flame]

Cryolophosaurus concavenator would be easy to represent the differences between males and females in a game.

[misty flare]

Do we know if Inostrancevia is coming?

[silver steeple]

No indication of it

[chrome wigeon]

Unfortunately it seems like it won't be added until post-EA

[sharp sable]

You talk like it's not soon

[silver steeple]

Still a year away minimum

And who knows what the dev timeline after that looks like

[limber needle]

it was in old art and we have at least 1 permian exhibit animal confirmed in EA

[silver steeple]

Unless Mau lied about that like he did with the vivs

[plush nacelle]

No we dont

It was diictodon all along

[dapper sky]

Have people considered Mesopithecus for a vivarium species?

[slim flare]

What

[nova glacier]

What do you think the fruitivor of u17 will be. I say pachycephalosaurus since the update main focus is on the combat and the pachy is known to fight

[amber field]

I would say ground sloth

[eager thunder]

Frugivor Utahraptor lets go gamers

[slim flare]

Pachy wy and spinifer is the common consensus

[eager thunder]

I need me them Pachys

[slim flare]

We all do

[fallow knoll]

Are Metriacanthosaurus, Proceratosaurus, or Segisaurus worth it?

[lean hound]

Metri's pretty fragmentary

[peak hazel]

if you want a Metriacanthosaur then Sinraptor and Yanchuanosaurus are better options

[heavy scarab]

Want it so bad

[feral cedar]

No

Nobody would care about those names if random prop makers hadn’t arbitrarily chosen them to be on a one-and-done brochure prop 33 years ago

[heavy scarab]

Im personally a little fond of Metriacanthosaurus but it's one of those animals I won't complain about if it doesn't show up

[silver steeple]

I wouldn't say that's true for all 3

[left spear]

Eh Procerato is a nice enough animal

[eager thunder]

Aren’t they all super fragmentary or something

[silver steeple]

At bare minimum, proceratosaurus gave its name to an entire group of tyrannosauroids

[eager thunder]

Ah

[left spear]

Guanglong is more interesting but Procerato is nice and Acceptable on it's own way

[silver steeple]

I wonder if it's possible for them to be alts.....

[left spear]

Don't see why not

Alternatively 15% neotony yuty

[silver steeple]

Except that doesn't work

Yuty doesn't have the big crest

[desert flame]

Guanlong was a member of PK's Big 50, so there's a high possibility he'll return.

[silver steeple]

Yes

[left spear]

It's an extremely obvious small carni to add

#1 DLC pick over Deinon imo

[silver steeple]

Agreed

[eager thunder]

I would love me a Guanlong

And a Dein

[left spear]

Deinon is #3 imo

[eager thunder]

#3 what

[left spear]

Third on my list

After Guanglong/Procerato and Stenon

[feral cedar]

Well yeah but it's riding on Guanlong's coattails

[left spear]

Eh Procerato came before

[feral cedar]

And we didn't even know what it was

[left spear]

A proceratosaurid

[slim flare]

Tbf, other groups have dubious namesakes; Ceratops, Titanosaurus, Troodon

[left spear]

Eh Procerato isn't dubious right

Just scrappy

Its 80% of a skull

[slim flare]

Its not dubious but I mean it shows that being a namesake doesn’t account for much

[left spear]

Yeah fair

Literally Spinosauridae until 2008-2018

[eager thunder]

My list it
Carno/Utah
Dire wolves
Cave Hyenas

Carno and Utah are of equal importance to me

[silver steeple]

Procerato ain't dubious tho

Not a fantastic specimen but certainly not dubious

[left spear]

This was about "small" carnivorous dinosaurs only

And didn't count Utah since it's confirmed

And Carno would be medium sized

[slim flare]

Its not dubious but I mean it shows that being a namesake doesn’t account for much

[eager thunder]

In that case Guanlong Deinonychus and Bambiraptor

[silver steeple]

That's not really what I was getting at

It was claimed no one would know or care about it

[slim flare]

Ah

[silver steeple]

But that's just not true because it's the founding member of a group

[slim flare]

Tbf, does anyone really talk about Hadrosaurus?

Or Abelisaurus

[eager thunder]

Or Dromeosaurs

[silver steeple]

Idk I feel like Hadrosaurus is talked about some

Abelisaurus tho not really

Probably cause it's just a partial skull

[silver steeple]

Dromaeosaurus gets talked about plenty I feel

It literally shows up in Prehistoric Planet

[alpine thicket]

Dromaeosaurus is actually like
not terribly unpopular. Not the most popular dromie but I see it in stuff.

[silver steeple]

^

[alpine thicket]

Part of it is probably it coexisting with some neat stuff but also dromies are just kind of cool animals to begin with.

Plus it's the family namesake.

[feral cedar]

Being the type genus of a family shouldn't be a reason to add an animal imo

[eager thunder]

Dromeosaurs are generally pretty cool

[feral cedar]

Abelisaurus, Nodosaurus, Hadrosaurus, Alvarezsaurus, Caenagnathus... all of these guys are the namesakes of their families but that doesn't mean they need to be added

[alpine thicket]

wait was that what was being argued?

[peak hazel]

erm er erm
Carnotaurus and Majungasarus, Edmontonia and Sauropelta, Saurolophus, we have Mononykus, Gigantoraptor and or Anzu

perfect

[eager thunder]

I forgor

[feral cedar]

Someone suggested the infamous brochure trio of JP, and I pointed out that those shouldn't be added because no one would care about them if they hadn't been in a prop made 33 years ago. It was then argued Proceratosaurus is at least interesting and gave the name to the Proceratosauridae, which... is definitely a new argument I've seen here

Also, personally, I think it's a mild disservice to PK to want the game to feature every single JP/JW-adjacent dinosaur. Let PK divorce itself from the JP park builders, please

[eager thunder]

What even is interesting about segisaurus outside that and being a less interesting compsognathus

[peak hazel]

well

the designers of the brochure made an error

way more interesting then anything actually to do with segisaurus

allosaurus was almost canon to the original jp let that sink in

[eager thunder]

Instead of allosaurus we got a eventually wasted slot in jwe2

[feral cedar]

That's part of why I find segi and metri so funny

[peak hazel]

if you look at the brochure

that is very much an Allosauroid skull and not a Coelophysoid

[feral cedar]

The JP brochure people were looking at skeletals of Allosaurus and Yangchuanosaurus when they added Segisaurus and Metriacanthosaurus into the brochure

[peak hazel]

well Paul lumped Yangchuano into Metriacantho

[feral cedar]

Yeah

[peak hazel]

having Metriacantho in stuff isn't as egregious as Segisaurus replacing Allosaurus

but if you're going to add a Metriacanthosaurid to the game
pick a different one

[feral cedar]

Yangchuanosaurus was also in the book's cover so the prop people decided to add the cover dino to their prop, probably as a cute little tribute

So technically, metri and segi proper were not interesting enough animals to even be in the brochure

[peak hazel]

Allosaurus just fits into jp far better then Segi as well

[eager thunder]

I’d always kinda assumed that reason for no names like that was just because that’s what they could get with the process at the time

They just so happened to also get some of the more popular ones as well

[feral cedar]

Well

In the first JP, the more "unusual" animals were mostly chosen for a reason

[alpine thicket]

I think Metri actually has some merits of its own.
Not for PK but it's not like a completely worthless animal to be interested in.

Yang is the pick for PK though.

hands down

[feral cedar]

In the 90s, Brachiosaurus and Gallimimus were not very popular. Brach was chosen because Spielberg wanted a sauropod larger than the novel's Apatosaurus to make the "Welcome to Jurassic Park" scene even more of a spectacle. Gallimimus was chosen because it was faster than the novel's Hadrosaurus, for a better stampede scene

Deinonychus was in the novel because Crichton used Paul as a reference, and he called it Velociraptor because that's what Paul called it. Spielberg was made aware of the mistake but chose to keep Velociraptor because it sounded cooler

Fast forward to 2018 and Fallen Kingdom has Peloroplites as a random background corpse for no discernible reason other than "Look at how smart we are, we know dinosaurs too!"

[peak hazel]

nobody is going to pick up on that during the film though

[heavy scarab]

Funny thing Hoplitosaurus appeared on the Innovation Center Holoscape, my personal theory is that it was actually Peloroplites as the two species are very similar and the scientists just didn't know what to call it.

[feral cedar]

I think that the random ass prop names are being thrown out there so the paleonerds pick up on them and get impressed they knew about them at all

[digital pendant]

yeah thats called an easter egg

lol

[peak hazel]

no I don't

I get confused on why they bothered

[feral cedar]

Too bad the JWE community doesn't see it that way

[digital pendant]

who cares

literally

[peak hazel]

if they decide for the next movie to randomly namedrop or have Plesiotylosaurus or something

[feral cedar]

As a JWE player who wants good DLC cycles, I do

[digital pendant]

its a random easter egg, man some people just love to complain about anything

[peak hazel]

I'm not going to go "wow thats Plesiotylosaurus!"
I'm going to question it

[digital pendant]

maybe someone saw it at a museum and thought of showing it as an easter egg

or google random stuff

[peak hazel]

obviously jwe purists would then want frontier to add Plesiotylosaurus and not something more interesting

[digital pendant]

dont think its really that deep

[feral cedar]

exactly

[peak hazel]

because all that guy is is a Mosasaurine which converged on a lot of Russelosaurine traits

thats interesting from a biology and anatomy perspective but not from a "oh wow what a justified inclusion" perspective

[feral cedar]

It's not really the easter eggs that are the problem, it's how people react to them

[digital pendant]

then thats the people's problem

not the film's nor the studio's

[peak hazel]

its cool I guess until the jwe purists realise

[feral cedar]

I mean as a certified paleonerd these "easter eggs" don't really impress me

[peak hazel]

I'd rather they just keep the species bloat down

[feral cedar]

For example Peloroplites is such a deep cut that it goes from being impressive to "Where the hell did you even pull that from"

[peak hazel]

fk had Tetratophoneus as well didn't it

[fallow knoll]

Yeah I asked because there are two wolves inside of me regarding this

[feral cedar]

ye

[fallow knoll]

PK is ultra influenced by Jurassic Park as an entity so it makes sense to acknowledge the series

On the other hand, you can't just throw in every Glupshittosaurus that's only known from a handful of bones

Like I do firmly believe all the animals with live appearences from the first 3 movies should be in

[peak hazel]

what is the point

[feral cedar]

PK already acknowledges the series by deliberately distancing itself from the tropes associated with it. They specify T. rex had good vision, raptors are small and feathered, dilo isn't venomous or frilled, and they even have Nigel say Spinosaurus powerscaling is something he never thought about

[peak hazel]

again its cool to know what that is but why did they add it

[feral cedar]

Ehhh

I mean, yes and no

of the 16 species in the first 3 films, 15 of them are slamdunk additions that any dino zoo thingy would have... except for Mamenchisaurus

[silver steeple]

I wasn't arguing it was interesting because it was the namesake

I was saying it was known because of it

[peak hazel]

I only realised it was Mamenchi way after watching the movie

Not an awful choice but a weird one at the same time

[crimson oracle]

dlc concept: formation expansion packs
they would include fauna from a specific base-game formation, preferably one that has a lot of biodiversity but only one species in-game

a huincul one would be good for example

[fallow knoll]

Also, for a metriacanthosaur, I'd choose Yang or Sinraptor

Or both

[feral cedar]

Add both as alt genera

teeehee

[peak hazel]

Works

[feral cedar]

Sinraptor as a Yang alt genus would be a great way to test how efficient ontogeny alts are

Stop a Yangchuanosaurus before it beefs up and it might look highly Sinraptor-like

[silver steeple]

I mean I don't see why that needs to be "tested"

[feral cedar]

Well, test, first example, proof-of-concept, whatever

[silver steeple]

We already have the "test" in Juxia

[feral cedar]

...oh right

Man I forget Juxia is in the game sometimes LOL

[silver steeple]

Not mammal-pilled enough

[feral cedar]

Nuh uh

I'm a proud member of the Cenozoic Sweep in the JWE server

Man those were some fun times

[peak hazel]

I don't

I've started an enclosure for one on my save

I have no idea what the most forgettable species for me is

[mint creek]

Juxia ends up in every park I make lol

It's the cave bear for me

[digital pendant]

Juxia is based and mammalpilled

[ancient ibex]

A century after it was discovered, and all due to Guanlong

Honestly, Yangchuanosauridae and Guanlongidae would had been more apt approaches

Hell, Metriacanthosaurus being brought up was Greg Paul gregpauling in PDotW

[shell sonnet]

Brachi was very popular, what the hell are you talking about.

[feral cedar]

Well it didn't have a modicum of the popularity it had now

[shell sonnet]

It was up there with Apato and Dippy

Been so for decades

[feral cedar]

Sinraptoridae should've been kept

[ancient ibex]

Brachiosaurus got turned into a popular taxon by a certain 1993 film

Other than that, it was locally popular in Germany AFAIK

[shell sonnet]

It was popular already

It was a common sight in books about dinos. Mainly because it was emphasized as the largest of them for ages.

That was Brachi's claim to fame.

[dull prism]

Juxia is a fantastic animal

Slander will not be tolerated

[slender tangle]

Juxia is a top 5 PK taxa

Stego is my number 1 though

I will put stegos in every park I make from now on

[left spear]

Even cenozoic ones?

[slim flare]

They were Cenozoic

[ancient ibex]

Regular reminder of how cool Dacentrurines are, contrasting with the Stegosaurines that lived alongside them while matching their size

[slim flare]

Ok

But

Kentrosaurus

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, cool too, but that one'd better come with more Tendaguru stuff

Plus lad deserves the glowup

[left spear]

3 stegosaurids are fine for base game

And Honest i don't think we need more

Maybe an Asian one or if you're feeling spici Isaberrysaura in a dlc

[alpine thicket]

Miragaia and Kentrosaurus are the two stegosaurs I want so

[left spear]

Yeah fuck stego

Fucking loser lmao

[alpine thicket]

No real complain about order, maybe Miragaia first?

Stego is already coming!

That's not a want that's a have.

[left spear]

Not anymore

I ate the code for it

[alpine thicket]

damn it my comment erased stegosaurus from existence

I did it again, just like with Anphisplamotopterus...

[left spear]

Yum yum

I got baited into eating inextistance 🥺

Well i guess that covers the Spec Evo DLC that was coming in 2031

[ancient ibex]

A huayangosaur ala Giantspinosaurus would be cool to get as part of the fauna from that time and place

Plenty of mid-late Jurassic Chinese stuff to add

[mint creek]

I would also advocate for Giantspinosaurus

[left spear]

Yeah those would be fine as dlc

[alpine thicket]

Yeah I wouldn't really be opposed to another stegosaur later on but for ones I really want after Stego it's Miragaia and Kentrosaurus.

[left spear]

I'd also maybe add Isa but yeah that's a bit iffy of an addition

[ancient ibex]

Why

[left spear]

Bipedal

[left spear]

Even if that's very much not a unique or proven thing

But it's just fun

And i did say It was an iffy addition

It could in a way be a fun counter part to scelido

[ancient ibex]

We have no limbs, originally restored as a neornithischian, the postcrania is not described...

Don't poke it

[ancient ibex]

Scelido is not an ankylosaur, stegosaurs are closer to ankylosaurs than scelido is

[amber field]

https://youtu.be/KZkt7tAwlLY?si=4sTfK_v0HQONjodX

We need this guys

It would funny if we have inverse of coty

[feral cedar]

I recognize Dempsey's art

[shy vale]

well metriacanthosaurus is like the type name for the metriacanthosaurs, and proceratosaurs was one of the earliest tyrannosauroids

also metriacanthosaurus was found in the oxford clay formation (which is what cruel sea was supposed to be based on, though the timing is anachronistic)
while proceratosaurus was contemporaneous with megalosaurus (i once had this funny idea regarding proceratosaurs and megalosaurus that was based on phylogenetic-based jokes and jurassic park 3 reference)

also peloroplites showed up in the netflix dinosaurs and mamenchisaurus has long been considered as one of the "classic" chinese dinosaurs

[feral cedar]

We had an earlier discussion on why being the type genus for a family really doesn't mean anything in most cases

Especially when the type genus is a fragmentary taxon

Everyone knows about Nodosaurus because where there are nodosaurids there must be a Nodosaurus, but suggestions and popular names include Edmontonia, Denversaurus, Sauropelta, Borealopelta, Gastonia, and Polacanthus among others

[autumn plover]

Yangchuanosaurus > Metriacanthosaurus

Guanlong > Proceratosaurus

[feral cedar]

Coelophysis > Segisaurus

Although we already do have Coelophysis so

[shy vale]

agreed, though metriacanthosaurus and proceratosaurus would make good alts

[shy vale]

liliensternus over segisaurus

it would go with plateosaurus

but that's not really a major must-have tbh

[silver steeple]

Agreed

[nova glacier]

hi will the Hystrix angressibe a vaverium ir a habitat species

[cosmic cosmos]

habitat

[nova glacier]

would i be able to add a crocodile to the requstion species docs https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeEaCjefDpH8edx3Y-aKESFRT7rIXZPyN4dQ4YMVWwTsx1UWg/viewform?usp=heade

[lean hound]

Not every somewhat small animal needs to go in a vivarium

[cosmic cosmos]

yes, what croc?

[nova glacier]

Kaprosuchus and like a cenasoic croc

[cosmic cosmos]

put kapro in the mesozoic non-dino section

the cenozoic croc just goes in the cenazoic section

[left spear]

Wait how didn't i know this thing existed

This shit is actually peak nature

[blazing zealot]

Mmmmmm

[lean hound]

I’d rather have maha over kapro

[peak hazel]

Kapro works as an alt moreso

[lean hound]

That is more logical

But if I had to pick one

[peak hazel]

I'd like Kaprosuchus but it is just a skull

[lean hound]

It’d be maha

[peak hazel]

its a very cool skull though

[lean hound]

• its a bit less interesting now that we know it wasn’t as terrestrial as we thought

At least imo

[plush nacelle]

Unfortunately for people who want mahajana

It doesnt

[cosmic cosmos]

kapro has the name power and is also more unique

[plush nacelle]

Nah, its not unique

Entire difference lies in name and skull

[cosmic cosmos]

the skull is extremely unique

it makes it stand out compared to other pseudosuchians

[silver steeple]

I mean

I'd be shocked if it was somehow identical to an animal living some 30 odd million years later lol

Obviously it's still the best reference

[hollow flower]

I find Mahajanga to just look a little ugly

[eager thunder]

Silesaurus

Weird lookin cat

[silver steeple]

*deer

[short rover]

Funny ornithischian

[amber field]

Aren't they still debating about that ?

[silver steeple]

Not really

[sharp sable]

AAaaaa...

[shell sonnet]

crickets

[round cradle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smok_wawelski

[shell sonnet]

Smok's exact lineage is under debate; what it looks is very dependent on that

[short rover]

The same way all fossil taxa have debatable phylogenetics

[feral cedar]

I find it crazy how Smok is bipedal in both potential theories and yet The Dinosaurs made it quadrupedal

[flint sable]

uppercase vs lowercase

[neat pivot]

https://klipy.com/gifs/fish-235

a f*ckin FISH

[flint sable]

no its like an actual question

because cladistically/taxonomically speaking, fish = vertebrate

because lungfish are closer to tetrapods than they are to a cod, and cod are closer to tetrapods than they are to a shark, and sharks are closer to tetrapods than they are to a lamprey

[neat pivot]

by fish I basically mean any vertebrate

[flint sable]

erm.... akshully......

you forgot......

dungus beetlus....

[neat pivot]

............

[flint sable]

and.......

termite.......

hehe......

[neat pivot]

😠

🙁

https://klipy.com/gifs/h2di-im-angy-panda

also

I think it would be cool if certain vivarium species had extra color morphs (mutations I mean)

[cosmic cosmos]

this is why my preferred definition is members of actinopterygii

[flint sable]

I mean

coelocanths and lungfish fit all the typical definition of fish

the way I see it fish can just be a paraphyletic clade

like tree

[alpine thicket]

In terms of actually being useful

Fish is Actinopterygii

[flint sable]

I mean the term fish is just inherently not useful taxonomically speaking

[cosmic cosmos]

colloquially, but as you just saw people will say stuff like "all verterbrates are fish"

[flint sable]

unless you specify further as to like, IE cartilaginous fish, jawless fish, jawed fish, lobed finned fish, ray finned fish

ect

[ancient ibex]

Paraphyletic clade is an oxymoron, you are looking for the word "grade"

[peak hazel]

the one that got named this week

the meme is real

[vast berry]

Cute isn't it?

[eager thunder]

Isn’t it just a baby?

[feral cedar]

Wait, it’s a thescelosaurid? So it loses in priority to Thescelosaurus itself

[lean hound]

0 appeal

[vast berry]

https://tenor.com/view/getout-gif-16327023334064302194

[fresh ember]

I mean, with all due respect, it's kinda foolish to start suggesting a species just because it was recently named.

[peak hazel]

theres better creatures that fill the same role that we know more about

ie Thescalosaurus proper

can we stop suggesting animals because they were just named

[feral cedar]

It’s a baby which means the adult would be purely speculative, it’s got zero cohabitation potential, and it’s not even the first, second, or third best thescelosaurid

[peak hazel]

what other ones would there be aside from Thescalosaurus this isn't my area

[fresh ember]

Orodromeus/Oryctodromeus

[peak hazel]

ok

[fresh ember]

Though for cohabitation perks, there's Parksosaurus.

[peak hazel]

I think the main thing here is
you can suggest whatever you want
but if you want your suggestion to be taken seriously don't just do "x new dinosaur"

[digital pendant]

Thats a made up rule done by you all who end up being annoying

Its literally a species dump channel lol

Let people suggest whatever they want

[fiery crow]

same thing with the people who say something can’t get in because it’s “too fragmentary”

[peak hazel]

I'm not saying people shouldn't

just wanting a species because its newly described is a whatever

[digital pendant]

Then why do you care

Let people suggest it

There is no harm

At all

[fresh ember]

Yeah, I have no idea why I opted to chime in considering I've ragged on that lot before.

[digital pendant]

Yeah you are literally doing what you always chime in against

😅

[silver steeple]

I wonder if Parkso could be a thesc alt ngl

It's the sister genus so maybe

There are 3 definitive thesc species, though idk how different they are

Not that they can't make them different like they do for Camara, though that's not something we see often nowadays

[feral cedar]

I mean Thescelosaurus is almost exclusively end Maastrichtian as a genus and every species (if they are valid) is just part of the Lancian fauna

I’m pretty sure that we could sacrifice one of the potential species for an alt genus to add more Horseshoe Canyon rep with Parksosaurus

[silver steeple]

I mean again

Camara

[peak hazel]

I think if the skins for each species are noticabley different like Camaras then it'd work

[silver steeple]

Exactly

[peak hazel]

I like how they all fit a different biome

[silver steeple]

I don't think "they're from the same place" is a good argument against

Cause so are the trike sp

[digital pendant]

Its not a solid argument at all

Most of the morrison rep also fits there

[silver steeple]

Mhm

[digital pendant]

Allo, stego, apato/bronto

[amber field]

I would Barsboldia or saurolophus as an arid adapted hadrosaurs

[fresh ember]

Saurolophus and Maiasaura for me.

[amber field]

You know what we need ? one vivarium from morrison

[silver steeple]

I think it's really neat and really overlooked that the Two Medicine was like practically a savannah

[amber field]

Yeah maiassaura is great too

[peak hazel]

Saurolophus would be great

since you'd have the American and Asian species

[silver steeple]

Mhm

[fallow knoll]

I do think some new discoveries can be significant enough to warrant attention from the team

Though ideally they should still wait until a decent amount of material is published

[feral cedar]

Honestly I think it depends on the animal

Stegouros is probably the newest recent discovery that actually offers something new

[peak hazel]

ok that one definitely has a place in the game

[fresh ember]

With a Minmi alt.

[feral cedar]

Or maybe Kunbarrasaurus since that’s the animal people think of when they picture Minmi

[peak hazel]

Minmi reconstructions are usually based on Kunbarrasaurus are they not

but Minmi has more name power so its a tough one

[fresh ember]

@feral cedar ahem

[feral cedar]

I mean the animal you want is Kunbarrasaurus

[fresh ember]

No.

Minmi.

[feral cedar]

Your mental image of Minmi is an animal that looks like Kunbarrasaurus

[fresh ember]

And you're gullible af for taking the bait so easily.

[feral cedar]

Because that’s what we thought Minmi was for some time

[feral cedar]

???

[fresh ember]

I said that to mess with ya.

[feral cedar]

Respectfully, don’t

[fresh ember]

But either way, we've been told to stop policing people over their species suggestions.

Even if they are fragmentary or new.

[fallow knoll]

Yeah unless someone's being an abject tool, don't be a mini mod

[fresh ember]

Apologies on my part here, but tbf, I do prefer Minmi on account of name recognition.

[peak hazel]

I'm not a big fan of "I want this species because its newly described" and will struggle to take it seriously

but people can still suggest them

[fresh ember]

Now, do I give a damn if the material referred to it is now another animal? No. Especially if they turned out to be related anyways because that still makes for a point of reference.

[eager thunder]

If anything I do like that new spiked iguanadon thing we got recently

not in EA but it would be a neat future thing

[fresh ember]

Or at the very least, used as inspiration for other iguanodonts.

I still find it funny that PK's design wound up becoming more conservative after the fact.

[silver steeple]

From what I understand they may not be especially closely related

[fresh ember]

Well, they're still parankylosaurs, so even then, there's a point of reference available.

And again, the argument may well be moot when we already have similar examples ingame.

I don't know if I'm just having that much of an off-day today, but in the end, trying to make arguments over a species request in an admitted dumping ground feels frankly pointless and dumb in its own right.

[silver steeple]

That's the thing

Minmi may not be

[shy vale]

i would also add spicomellus (though it was described before stegouros was, the additional material was only described last year [as of this writing])

also joaquiraptor (being one of the last and most complete megaraptorans), haolong (hadrosauroid with spiky integument from yixian), and maybe spinosaurus mirabilis as an alt for spinosaurus aegyptiacus

also what cohabitation potential with parksosaurus?

like with pachyrhinosaurus?

[fresh ember]

Yeah

[shy vale]

i think it was recovered as one in the patagopelta paper this year

[silver steeple]

Even if it was that's hardly hard evidence

That wasn't a paper that was intending to plot out all of parankylosauria

[left spear]

I mean

I don't know about Krypto itself

But a similar animal yes

A dwarf Hadrosaurid would be so cool

[cosmic cosmos]

How about Tethyshadros with Kryptohadros as an alt

[sharp sable]

Eotrachodon would be also nice

Tho another American species isn't really what I want for PK

[slim flare]

Lmfaoooo

Idk why a species location really even matters

North America just has extensive fossil beds and has been well-studied for over a century

Its missing a ton of Late Pleistocene species for starters

[plush nacelle]

Cause when you play PK as intented - zoo game, then you start to organise animals by their geography and having so many NA animals is just boring.

[fresh ember]

That's why I organize by time period/era.

[fallow knoll]

I do both, especially if animals live with each other

[mint creek]

Location does matter

[flint sable]

same here

I do both if I can

even combinations if possible

so like

heres just some of the ones ive used recently in my own park

cretaceous asia
cretaceous north america
mammoth steppe
triassic
"time trek" (chronological indoor walk through time with mostly vivs, but also juxia, pssitacosaurus sp. and leallyanosaura)
cats of la brea
jurassic
dinosaurs of the UK
paleogene

[feral cedar]

Telmatosaurus and Tethyshadros for sweet Hațeg rep

[flint sable]

feel free to use these

[flint sable]

also if your smart with your exhibit planning, sometimes you can have an enclosure with two seperate viewing spots in two seperate areas

I did that with scelidiosaurus; its enclosure is viewable from both the jurassic side and the Dinosaurs of the UK side

[peak hazel]

Might take this into account for my all species park

Whenever I do that

[flint sable]

ye

i also didnt do that for all species, my park is notably missing an africa section

but you can definitely make one

[silver steeple]

Helps add diversity imo

For example we don't have any Appalachian animals yet, several to chose from (tho one is the best pick)

I do hope we at least get Cryo so we can have at least 1 animal from every continent

[shy vale]

telmatosaurus with kryptohadros alt

tethyshadros wasn't from hateg

[shy vale]

i would rather go with antarctopelta

[silver steeple]

I mean

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[toxic oriole]

Seeing as theres three of these guys...
Telmatosaurids

Why not get all three of them so far?
Telmatosaurus, Tethyshadros, and the recently named Kryptohadros

All three of them are closely related to each other

[shy vale]

like with parasaurolophus and charonosaurus?

[vital grove]

eoconfuciusornis the feathers were preserved to

[cosmic cosmos]

thats kind of the point

tethyshadros has the cool spiked beak and is recovered closest to kryptohadros phylogenetically

tethy also just has amazing material

[autumn plank]

Shantungosaurus would be a great edition to the game someday if the devs would like that or not?

[shell sonnet]

We have Leally

[toxic oriole]

how dare you be so serious.............. cryolophosaurus is antarctica...... so what if antarctica was part of australia and some other place......

antarctica is antarctica

[shell sonnet]

Obsessing over continent/country rep is pointless. Animals back then would not have been cared about imaginary borders and living ones today often try to do the same despite the obstacles we throw up.

[silver steeple]

That does not count lmao

[silver steeple]

Obsession over what other people define as an area is just as pointless lol

[harsh oxide]

Not a species suggestion but a color/coat patterning suggestion

Potentially color morphs for the dinosaurs that like scrub and desert 🏜

These are chuckwallas BTW.

[rigid spindle]

Give me a coty with these colors and I'm selling my soul to the devs

[frosty torrent]

Desmostylus

[slim flare]

Fat fuck

[harsh oxide]

These guys are such weird critters, I can't imagine how they'd animate their swimming

I forget if desmostylians could even move on land

But they'd be a cool addition cause desmo don't really get any paleo publicity

[silver steeple]

Depends on the species

Some probably could, some could not

[harsh oxide]

I guess behemotops could be on land

[short rover]

https://tenor.com/view/nono-nuh-uh-waving-finger-close-eyes-nuh-uh-gif-8515142477229777875

[hard elbow]

why have shant when we have e.annectens

Genuine question

they're basically the exact same thing at the end of the day

[misty flare]

b i g

[cosmic cosmos]

i think shant is a good dlc seller/filler, easy to make and popular/recognisable enough for people to want it. Same with giga

not worth as a base animal tho

[plush nacelle]

I think it being cheap makes it exactly base game material

[hard elbow]

Giga at least has a little potential going for it, especially if they shake up the depiction compared to carch

But what does Shant actually have that annectens doesn't

[plush nacelle]

Something simple and popular at the same time given in free update alongside DLC

[hard elbow]

It's like. Annectens. But from a different region

Maybe, possibly slightly larger, but not substantially so

and I think the name value is basically only because people overhype it as hadrosaur-zilla

Granted, if we didn't have annectens already, yeah sure why not

But I think annectens does the job as is

[torpid grove]

We can apply this to a lot of animals we have in game

Having similar animals isn't that bad

[alpine thicket]

Depends, I do tend to lean similar animals within a certain degree of similarity are better as DLC than basegame update.

Like Giga.

[proper raven]

Can also apply different behaviors to Shant also, compared to Edmonto

Or some extra soft tissue flair

[alpine thicket]

Shant I feel falls into the good DLC animal category.

[silver steeple]

Outside of alts, what would this apply to genuinely

At the same level as Shant and E. annectens

[mint creek]

This is a zoo building game not something like an ecosystem sim. How we relate to and define geography is something worth considering when making a zoo and subsequently what animals to suggest for the game.

[lean hound]

Knüppe spotted..

[slow shoal]

I will not sugarcoat it, I am very biased, i dont want shant due to all the isle glazers

[left spear]

It's a nice enough alt on itself

Imo it's in the same boat as Giga or Megalo

Great for an Alt dlc, otherwise ignore.