Community Species Suggestions

[digital pendant]

stuff like priscus and latifrons

[left spear]

I know you can

I would like them a lot

[digital pendant]

and then have aurochs separate which can have alts for its horns, indian aurochs have different horns than european ones for example

[desert flame]

Bison and aurochs look very different.

[left spear]

Just that i'm not confident it

[left spear]

Most REs have great skin/alt potential

Besides Dodo

And i doubt Solitaire would look good as a dodo alt

Animation wise

[shell sonnet]

You could have classical Dodo that looks like the dumbed down version

[left spear]

Well you have 2 skins yeah

Problem would be the third one

[shell sonnet]

Scaled Dodo

[digital pendant]

indian vs european aurochs

[left spear]

Ig either Solitaire alt, Solitaire skin or if you want to be funky Nicobar pigeon skin

Auroch is just peak filler

[left spear]

Scaly body, feathered head, tail and wings.

[desert flame]

ummm
It might be difficult because they look so different.

[left spear]

Yup

I could see a Solitaire skin tho

[lean hound]

Which two alts are the most visibly distinct in game rn?

Model wise, not skins

[left spear]

Probably Juxia, Charono or Sino

Or well Perotorum but that's kidna cheating

[fresh ember]

ATM, I think, model-wise, that title goes to Charono, Bronto and maybe Tarbosaurus.

[left spear]

Tarbo?

[fresh ember]

The dewlap

[left spear]

Idk that's kidna just a prop

Doesn't affect the animations much

[shell sonnet]

I think Moa, Thyacline, Quagga/Wild Horse, and Dodo (assumed they don't shove it in the vivarium) is fine for a four animal pack (plus the PP and a non-bird for the vivarium). If there needs to be a second, then Aurochs, Bluebuck, then some combination of the Elephant Bird, Archaeoindris, or Warrah would be okay.

[left spear]

The RE Warrah (Falkland ones) would probably be vivs

If you did mainland ones which would be kidna cheating they could be habitats

Also for Aquatic and Flying REs (whether they come in a RE DLC or otherwise) Probably Baiji, Haasts, Chinese paddlefish and Steller's

[desert flame]

Passenger pigeon, also recently extinct, would be suitable for an arboreal vivarium, but I think the great auk would be an aquatic animal DLC rather than an amphibious vivarium.

[shell sonnet]

Haasts really is the only RE worth adding that would work for the aviary

[left spear]

Auk tbh could work as a habitat and not vivarium, sure the babies might be an issue but penguin babies are massive so just take inspiration from that

[shell sonnet]

My concern, and I've said this before, is want to see the Auk gliding through the water, diving and all that. That's something just not possible at the moment, so for me regular habitat animal is the worst option

[left spear]

I'd argue it's kidna just the only big enough unless you're very generous with that is a habitat and what is a viv.

[left spear]

Why bother

Just wait for Aquatics

[shell sonnet]

I agree

Just adding my two cents

[left spear]

Those are 100% coming with diving, so just wait.

[shell sonnet]

People are going want to see it hunt a moa

[short rover]

If diving is coming

[shell sonnet]

Oh I've given up on regular animals being able to dive

[left spear]

Well

Atleast until aquatics drop

[shell sonnet]

But aquatics could get their own system so they wouldn't be as restrained

[left spear]

I'd hope once aquatics come they are just regular animals in that sense

And terrestrials also get diving as a consequence

[short rover]

I doubt that’s happening personally

[left spear]

If not tbh the JWE solution would work

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, I imagine they'd get their own type of exhibits; just nowhere as restrictive as the vivariums

[left spear]

It's not a bad system

[desert flame]

Certainly, there are records of the sexes and eggs of the great auks, so a full exhibit would be appropriate.

[shell sonnet]

The babies wouldn't have to be hatchlings, they could start at a larger size

[left spear]

That's already pretty much all animals in-game

So yeah do that once aquatics are added and if aquatics are not "normal" animals do like jwe and give them a cool platform where they can make animations and stuff like that

[eager thunder]

I love the Cretan deer

Very creature

[amber field]

Me too , it's my favorite of all deer species

[eager thunder]

The tuning fork

[amber field]

They are pretty unique + cute

[grand bluff]

I know a Carcharodontosaurid that I would love to see in the game, it's one of the largest in its family! It's the Mapusaurus Roseae

[short rover]

Meh

[alpine thicket]

Giga is the better second big carch pick, and it's a solidly DLC-space animal.

Priority would be to something like Conc though.

Like if we add another carch Conc offers a lot we don't already have for carchs.

[shell sonnet]

Rather skip the Carchas and go on the other side of the Allosauroid clade. Yang is needed.

[alpine thicket]

Yeah I'd really like Yang. Very cool addition.

[trail moth]

yeah ideally for allosauroids i'd add yang and conc and that's pretty much it

[shell sonnet]

Honestly, I could probably live without Conca until way further down the line (it'd be different if Pelecanmimus was in the game)

[ancient ibex]

Barremian stuff in Spain and England is pretty much equivalent, Conca and Peleca go well with Iggy and Bary (and Hypsi, Pola and the like)

[shy jacinth]

mmmmm... there's something that intrigues me...

what about large pterosaurs enclosures?

[eager thunder]

That’s on the devs wishlist but solidly as a post EA thing since it’d be difficult to code

[shy jacinth]

EA?

[shy vale]

put mapusaurus as an alt for giganotosaurus

[cinder token]

Early Access

[eager thunder]

Early. . Yeah what the guy above me said

[kind oriole]

I believe Megaloceros uses the same rig as Paraceratherium, with many adjustments. Any hoofed animal with longer legs can fit on that rig, including giraffoids and antelopes

[desert flame]

In fact, Sivatherium probably thinks it would be relatively easy to add them by reusing the rig.

[kind oriole]

It's not a common perspective in this thread, but if you could only choose one more artiodactyl deer-like animal would it still be Rucervus? It's all about the opportunity cost with smaller games

[desert flame]

ummm
Considering its unique appearance and popularity, it may be Kyptoceras.

[shell sonnet]

Synthetoceras

[desert flame]

Three horns were popular among prehistoric herbivores a long time ago lol.

[left spear]

Arguably they're 4

[desert flame]

Ah, that's right, the two horns on the tip of his nose looked like one.

[eager thunder]

I wonder if there’s any genus where one species would work as a Vivarium animal while another is a exhibit one

[civic terrace]

I'd argue it is one. It's just a singular horn which forks into tines like an antler would.

[plush nacelle]

Dimetrodon

[silver steeple]

Many probably

[shell sonnet]

Lystrosaurus

[eager thunder]

I mean, the smallest species is still probably too big for a box imo

[eager thunder]

Is that smaller or bigger than a simosuchus I forgor

[shell sonnet]

Smaller

It's between it and Diictodon

[eager thunder]

alright that’s reasonable then

I keep overestimating small fellas

[wary nacelle]

I think there should be a minuscule terrarium for animals that are like mere inches because I really want Mongolsrachne now

[left spear]

Here's hoping we get micros at some point

This, Titanomyrma, a lot of cambrian stuff...

[vital grove]

some could definitely work in current vivarium sized aquariums though really hope they will add some of them

[ancient ibex]

Reminder that this is one of the cooler arguments for Dacentrurines (and Stego itself is a Lourinha animal as well)

[autumn plover]

I mean I feel like whenever I say add Mirigaia people just say no add Kentro

Even if outdated Mirigaia was once planned anyway

[spring ridge]

why not both?

[feral cedar]

Ah yes, dinosaur fans want every ceratopsid known to man but we can only have Stegosaurus and “another one”

[eager thunder]

I have only seen people say we have enough ceratopsians

That I think it’s just a limit thing since we kinda know how many slots are left

[pliant hinge]

Vivarium suggestion, Beelzebufo

[shell sonnet]

There's a difference between saying that Kentro should come instead of Mira (I heartily disagree) and that Kentro should come before Mira (which I do think).

[pliant hinge]

Koolasuchus and Thylacine for an Australian dlc later in the future

[shell sonnet]

Thylacine would likely be a recently extinct DLC addition

[pliant hinge]

my official list
-Beelzebufo
-Koolasuchus
-Thylacine
-Kelenken
-Macrauchenia
-Haast's Eagle
-Argentavis
-Mastodon
-Sebecids, specifically Barinasuchus
-Bear Dogs like Amphicyon, Daphoenodon
-Moropus
-Desmostylus
-Thalassocnus
-Dorudon
-Prognathodon
-Dire Wolf
-Pentaceratops
-Yutyrannus
-Cryolophosaurus
-Austroraptor
-Magnapaulia
-Inawentu
-Dakotaraptor
-Discokeryx

[slim flare]

Dakotaraptor 💀

Otherwise looks fine

[shell sonnet]

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeEaCjefDpH8edx3Y-aKESFRT7rIXZPyN4dQ4YMVWwTsx1UWg/viewform?usp=header

[shy vale]

why pentaceratops and inawentu?

[pliant hinge]

Pentaceratops is one of my more liked ceratopsians and it's frill can be colorful since its quite large, Inawentu is also one of my favorite smaller sauropods and it'd be nice if we get smaller sauropods to make habitats from

its quite small for sauropod standards

[toxic oriole]

You just recently heard about it, and find it to be your favorite, is that what I am getting at here?

Can't blame you!

[pliant hinge]

its kind of the right size

[feral cedar]

Pentaceratops is one of the better choices for a second chasmosaurine

[silver steeple]

I'd like Chasmo first personally

[shy vale]

that i agree

especially since styracosaurus is in the game too

[feral cedar]

Chasmosaurus and Pentaceratops to balance out the ceratopsids

Chasmosaurus belli/russelli with Kosmoceratops alt?

[silver steeple]

That would be nice

Not sure if Kosmo would work though

It's a little more different than most alts allow for

[feral cedar]

Yeah maybe

[shy vale]

what about utahceratops alt instead?

[feral cedar]

Nah

[shy vale]

why not?

actually that could be an alt for pentaceratops

[feral cedar]

Utahceratops has like zero demand here, it’s giving Chasmosaurus an alt genus for the sake of giving it an alt genus imo

[shy vale]

it was to add more kaiparowits representation considering that nasutoceratops was lonely

[silver steeple]

Kosmo vs Chasmo

I just don't think this would work unfortunately

[shy vale]

more extreme than paraceratherium and juxia?

[silver steeple]

Definitely

The frills and horns are completely different

Horns wouldn't be a huge deal, those already vary in the ceratopsians

But the frills don't really

Not that extremely

The snout shape is also pretty different

Kosmo is much longer and shorter vertically

Where as Juxia is effectively a baby para

[toxic oriole]

You could say the exact same thing about Zuniceratops

[shy vale]

i felt that zuniceratops/turanoceratops would've been better options than nasutoceratops

[silver steeple]

You really can't though?

Zuni is very much its own thing

Like idk what you think this thing looks like but I can guarantee it doesn't

[alpine thicket]

It's easy to forget how different Zuni is compared to more derived ceratopsians, since you can kind of think of it as a miniature version of one of them when while it is in a lot of ways it also is not.

[left spear]

Outside of Udano and Korea Zuni is probably my most wanted Ceratopsian

Ava aswell

[slim flare]

Zuni is the unloved middle stage of a Pokemon evolution

[left spear]

Proto - Zuni - Loki

[slim flare]

Would have said Triceratops or Torosaurus because of Zuni’s horns but I guess Pokemon evolutions can be weirdly misleading

[left spear]

Loki also just feels more Pokemon-coded to me

[plush nacelle]

In pokemon protoceratops evolves directly into chasmosaurus

[slim flare]

That’s because fossil pokemon only get a max of two evolutions

[amber field]

Dwarf are always cool , aren't they?

[vital grove]

for ceratopsians udanoceratops would be perfect since it literally looks like no other

[ancient ibex]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leptoceratopsidae

[autumn plover]

Pentaceratops and Udanoceratops should come, then I think Ceratopsia are complete

[vital grove]

correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure its the biggest. although i do love the other weird fellas

[ancient ibex]

Perhaps some of the smaller non-coronosaurs for vivariums and the like

[amber field]

So it's basically a parrots and a cow mix

[shell sonnet]

Nah. They can wait.

And even then, there's a few others I'd like to see.

[amber field]

Tbh in term of this family my whistle is penta and toro

[silver steeple]

I wonder if a lepto-Udano alt could work

[shell sonnet]

Lepto is supposed to be quad these days, so probably

[silver steeple]

I could see it

Would probably be like Juxia

No real reason to believe the larger chin and such can't be a later in life thing

[shell sonnet]

Yeah the lower jaw would have to change through ontogeny

[silver steeple]

Given that I guess there's like 5 genera I'd like to see before calling ceratopsians "complete"

Udano/lepto alts, Zuni/Turano alts, Chasmo (both sp)

[shell sonnet]

It helps that the second largest in the group, Montanoceratops, is still quite a bit smaller than Udano

[silver steeple]

Mhm

[shell sonnet]

That's probably where I'm at as well, with Penta added and maybe an Albertaceratopsian. Also Ferrenceratops/Zalmoxes once it becomes clearer what's going on with them

[mint creek]

Chasmo and Udano for sure

[shell sonnet]

And then just Stegoceras, Preno and Pachy for the other side of Marginocephalia

[silver steeple]

Seems like albertaceratopsini is basically the only major centrosaurine clade missing

And they've got some neat guys

Alberta, Medusa, and Loki

[jade jay]

Ichthyovenator

[shell sonnet]

Reminder that the notch in the spine is due to some taphonomy (the spines are bent sideways); the actual animal would probably look more like the one here.

[silver steeple]

Huh I've never heard this

I would not be shocked if PK did the notch for rule of cool anyway tbh

[lean hound]

wha

Still cool I guess

[feral cedar]

tfw the entire reason to suggest an animal is invalidated

[silver steeple]

Are we sure that this isn't accounted for in reconstructions/skeletal references etc?

[autumn plover]

Suchomimus would be a better choice tbh, even Irritator would be

[feral cedar]

I think Spinosaurus and the upcoming Baryonyx are enough spinosaurs

At least for the time being

[shell sonnet]

I think they do, actually looking at the paper. Still I wouldn't be surprised if this was more unique to the specimen (as always, the ideal answer is we need more fossils).

[desert flame]

I thought Beelzebufo was amphibious, but the water is too deep, so land might be better suited. If there's a small puddle in the vivarium, it should be fine.

[shell sonnet]

They could change water depth in the semi-aquatic vivarium depending on the animal, kind of like putting certain animals in the terrestrial one adds burrows.

[desert flame]

Then it's okay to be amphibious.

[peak hazel]

I'd like to see Suchomimus but theres far more important additions then a 3rd Spinosaur

[eager thunder]

Like another rhino

[shell sonnet]

Yes

The game came never have too many rhinos

[slender tangle]

We need Epiceratherium

Hornless forest rhino

[shell sonnet]

There should be as many rhinos as there are ceratopsians

[jade jay]

Could add all at some point. Ichthyovenator is my favourite dino tho, would love to see it somewhere

[burnt gate]

I yearn for Albertosaurus

[peak hazel]

Alberto would definitely be good

[slim flare]

Peak

JPOG and PPa reference

[strange meadow]

mmm

been a while

[calm sedge]

Is Utahraptor, or any other raptor species coming to the game? Id like to see a troodon or other bigger raptor, consodering how many tyrannosaurids we have.
If not, the newly brought back mini would be nice to see.

Anyone know what's in the works there?

[fresh ember]

Utahraptor's confirmed.

[rigid spindle]

Somebody summon the Utah arm image

[calm sedge]

Was troodon or anyone else in that family considered?

[calm sedge]

Ty!

[rigid spindle]

Considering most troodontids are just teeth, most likely no

[calm sedge]

Wait really? I was under the impression there was more then teeth. My bad.

Is Nanotyrannus being brought in?

[rigid spindle]

Maybe post-EA

But until then you can pull off something similar with rex neoteny

I use 45% + brumal for lancenesis and 60% + the red skin (I forgot its name)

[calm sedge]

Interesting

[shy vale]

so with the netflix dinosaurs documentary dropping, what taxa do you think people may want to push more?

yutyrannus?

[silver steeple]

I doubt anything will really be pushed more

Yuty has old PK to bounce off of more than anything tbh

[eager thunder]

Is it a hot take to say I don’t think Yuty will show up until post EA

[rigid spindle]

Nah

I don't really see yuty coming until a while after EA

[silver steeple]

At this point probably not

[glass snow]

I want Falcatakely some time as a vivarium

[vast berry]

Looks like a toucan

[calm sedge]

Was gonna say the same.

[eager thunder]

Prolly in the same sort of family

[calm sedge]

Is Pachycephalosaurus gonna be added?

Or anyone in that family?

[eager thunder]

More than likely, we don’t know what the 2 frugivores next update are but it’s more than likely Pachy Wyoming and Spinnifer [aka stygymolch my beloved]

https://tenor.com/view/the-smasher-the-killer-dinosaur-dinosaurs-funny-gif-26480700

[calm sedge]

Yes

[calm sedge]

Yeah no. There is a complete fossil.

Well, ish

More a member of the family.

[eager thunder]

Troodon itself is dubious as fossils we thought we Troodon like this ended up different to the teeth it initially was attributed to

[feral cedar]

nope

Falcatakely is an enantiornithine, a group of stem-birds

[eager thunder]

So just kinda looks like them on accident?

[alpine thicket]

A troodontid would be a pretty worthy addition at some point.

[feral cedar]

Less on accident, and more that the dinosaurs that eventually became birds had a small branch that were enantiornithes

[eager thunder]

Funky

[alpine thicket]

Certain shapes reoccur because they were for one reason or another successful.

It's not as extreme as a toucan, but the similar shape worked for both animals for whatever reason.

[eager thunder]

I guess similar to how crabs just appear now

[eager thunder]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ9fJcQ5DdLFphvBLPQ_zr3AFSPhllLb_OKSbOooMjvLl15qxcePhnBZJwJvInOHXiGZerwOlj0drTtpHb7VrC1b8a1XFqthc783GT-2g&s=10 phosphatherium

[autumn plover]

Strangely enough i don’t think that sub Rex is a good stand in for nano. It’s bulkier so I use 60%/73% for Nanuqsaurus/Daspletosaurus respectively

I actually think something like 50% Tarbosaurus is a much better stand in as it’s lankier like Nanotyrannus, the only thing wrong with it is the arms are a bit shorter, but otherwise its better to have as a stand in nano

[wintry fulcrum]

I used 68-70% tarbosaurus for nanotyrannus, but with smallest size

It was around the same size as nano

A little bit bigger though

But it can reproduce

[cosmic cosmos]

Stratodus, a giant, pelagic lizardfish with a cosmopolitan distribution. It lived during the end cretaceous through to the eocene

[desert flame]

Primitive elephant would be a good choice.
Honestly, I'd like to see more Proboscideans in the game.
at least five species

[eager thunder]

3 girrafoids would be nice too

[flint sable]

I should make my mammalian wishlist

[cold hearth]

What a wonderful discovery I just made! This species is amazing ! 😲 😯

[flint sable]

since so far the only serious things ive done in here are both realistic packs

[flint sable]

paleozoic and RE pack

with realistic sizes and animals for the additions in the game

and ive probably got like a solid 20 mammals outside of RE that would be great additions in my opinion

I could list way more but thats pretty pedantic at this point

[hollow flower]

that actually looks really cool

[shell sonnet]

You voted in this right https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeEaCjefDpH8edx3Y-aKESFRT7rIXZPyN4dQ4YMVWwTsx1UWg/viewform?usp=header

[desert flame]

Personally, I'd choose the following three:
Sivatherium
Discokeryx
Proliviterium

However, I'd like to see more prehistoric elephants added, as many species are well-known and popular..

[flint sable]

I believe so

I know for a fact I started it

dont know if I finished it

I shall check

[eager thunder]

Discokeryx is so funny cause nature just evolved bashing your head into someone else’s head with a dome twice

[desert flame]

It can be said to be the mammalian version of Pachycephalosaurus.

[eager thunder]

Imagine doing that and a vertebrae just absolutely shattering

[peak hazel]

this cannot be a real creature

[eager thunder]

Nature is beautiful ain’t it

[shell sonnet]

It's real, very recent find (2022)

[desert flame]

Neck area was probably relatively strong and covered with muscle, but there may have been some damage to the head.

[eager thunder]

Imagine we find the rest of this thing and it’s just usually tall

[shell sonnet]

Giraffoids are weird but I suspect the Discokeryx's body was more like an okapi. I do wish we had more post-cranial though.

[eager thunder]

Hopefully we find more of it

[flint sable]

lowk ill do 2 seperate lists for herbivores vs carnivores

later tho

[shell sonnet]

Wish we had more of Prolibytherium (at least I could get a better idea of what we do have). The sexual dimorphism is just amazing.

Usually the female doesn't have fancy headgear

[flint sable]

prolibytherium like top tier random hoofstock pick

[shell sonnet]

(Not sure if the design is right, it looks more horse like than Giraffoid)

[flint sable]

along with syndoceras and synethoceras

actually that reminds me

[flint sable]

could those two realistically be alts of one another

iirc one is approximately the size of a smaller whitetail deer, whereas the other is approximately the size of an elk or red deer

but a pretty similar build

[shell sonnet]

The big difference is the antlers/horns (don't care about the semantics) but that's something that ontogeny should take care just fine. (not an expert though or a game dev)

[desert flame]

If both species are added, one of them may become an alt.

[flint sable]

if they couldn't be alts I would rather have just one rather than both

more diversity

I would imagine it could be possible; Elasmotherium and Triceratops did it with their alts/skins

not quite as drastic but still possible I imagine

[eager thunder]

The Tsaidamotherium

[desert flame]

Elasmotherium and Paraceratherium have allowed the addition of Sinotherium and Juxia through alts.
However, I think the idea of ​​choosing one or the other is a good one.

[left spear]

It looks like a wizard prop hat 😭

[eager thunder]

Werid looking mage

[silver steeple]

Look man there was a mix up with the transfiguration spell ok

Just help a guy out and turn him back

[flint sable]

normally stuff like this would surprise me

but at this point ive seen enough weird ass ungulates to where this type of stuff doesnt even surprise me anymore

like thats literally just a unicorn

actually

[eager thunder]

PK unicorn animal section

[burnt gate]

@shell sonnet can i modify my answer to your poll?

i just found out about vishnuictis

[shell sonnet]

Never a problem https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeEaCjefDpH8edx3Y-aKESFRT7rIXZPyN4dQ4YMVWwTsx1UWg/viewform?usp=header

[burnt gate]

thank you

[fiery crow]

most normal Miocene mammal

[calm sedge]

Im surprised no preJurassic/Triassic is listed animal wise. I grew up with walking with monsters. It would be nice to see synapsids in exhibits or Cambrian animals as vivarium animals.
Even as a dlc.

That or more carnivores. We got most of the major..i forget name of dinos that are known for herbivores grouping wise.

Id pay $200 to see some of the Ediacaran biota.

Because its known so little.

[fiery crow]

Anomalocaris is a must in my opinion

[vital grove]

and people called me crazy

[fiery crow]

some of them might be a bit small though

[eager thunder]

https://youtu.be/Tj9t6cL_mFI?si=oEb69creALV3ozk4

[vital grove]

sahonachelys its carapace is 25cm i dont think it will be a problem if you look at the sizes i wrote down to

[shy vale]

add alienum

[vital grove]

its way to small i was very specific with it because everyone assumes ediacaran life is small the most notable big ones are all in there

i would love to see weirdos like it though

but i think 20cm is the minimum size required

[calm sedge]

Someone already did an animation of the biotia- i think youll enjoy this

[vital grove]

where can i see this

[calm sedge]

https://youtu.be/zxDswPz8Xo4

Here

Now they dont have everything i think. But they take requests.

They did the Cambrian too

https://youtu.be/OiSOpDiY3JA

[vital grove]

people really underestimate simple things have it move like a sea annemone every few minutes and filter water with nice colours and its good to go for the game

[calm sedge]

Maybe they could be roped into helping the game? They made the models, and they've made ones that actual history museums use.

[calm sedge]

I agree

[vital grove]

when i suggested my pack idea i suggested it as a cheap to model dlc to make in between updates that can fund the game it can have 6 creatures and cost 5 bucks but if the very loyal playerbase buys it which they will its gonna help them if anything

add a special ediacaran aquarium with it and its worth 5 euros, and the models are quite simple and low cost to produce but add so much biodiversity

[calm sedge]

I agree. Not only that but if you want to make them 'pretty' a good think to give them for color is bioluminescence, whether its plausible or not doesn't matter, but i think theyd be a part of a deep sea aquarium.. and it would make some sense for creatures who have never seen light to have that as a coloration, at least.

That and it would be attractive to guests.

[vital grove]

pretty is very achievable if you look at modern coral reefs to, give them filter movements and they would almost give biblically accurate angel vibes. and dickinsonia would just be fun to see slowly slug over the substrate

i also feel like this is the right type of early post full release dlc they can add to assist the development of the game more. it could be done easily in between updates with the goal of funding developement

[outer crater]

Aquarium decorations:

[vital grove]

thats just doing grandpa dirty

sea annemones can also move so its not that strange to imagine these could also move to a better location and move enough to be interesting

[calm sedge]

I mean. Thats what ive always seen the plant like ones as. Just because of the.. appearance.

[vital grove]

https://tenor.com/view/sea-creature-orange-sea-sponge-wave-gif-17449624

[eager thunder]

We don’t need more ceratopsians

[toxic oriole]

Not stopping people from asking them...

[slow shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-meme-gif-12137471669824236660

ceratopsians are very diverse and i want a few more

[eager thunder]

Make your case

We have the big ones and little ones and like, one stegosaurus and 2 Ankys

[slow shoal]

specifically regaliceratops, torosaurus, maybe a real funky one like kosmoceratops or diablo, or a small one like zuniceratops

[eager thunder]

Post EA maybe

But i think we’re good rn

[slow shoal]

well duh i dont expect any before the full game releases

[eager thunder]

Ok that’s a different thing entirely

I meant no more in EA but I’m fine with more down the line

[slow shoal]

we kinda vaugley know everything left in ea anyways

release is a bit different but thats technically not ea

[silver steeple]

I mean it kinda is

[eager thunder]

I don’t think I remember everything that’s coming in u19 does someone have that one image?

[carmine spade]

Don't have it on hand, but the list is Utahraptor, Carnotaurus, Edmontonia, Kelenken, Doedicurus, and Megatherium

But now there's another 4 herbivores and 2 insectivores we have no idea about

Also, this isn't 100%, since it was translating blurred text, but we've gotten all our other guesses right so far, so I'm pretty confident

[slim flare]

Some are confirmed vivarium

[carmine spade]

Yeah, should've said that

I have a crackpot theory that the vivarium animals in Update 19 are the species the fake Update 16 roster was based on, but my evidence for that is basically the "source: it came to me in a dream" meme, and it would mean no arthropods so I don't really want it to be true

Me wanny Arthropleura

[shy vale]

i also feel there may be some surprising adds, like with sahonachelys

[eager thunder]

Having any of those 4 herbivores be a needed giraffoid would be great

[vital grove]

what do you guys think these 2 will be, some kind of primate?

maybe a dodo come to think of it

[lean hound]

It’s probably pachy

Definitely not the dodo that’s for sure

[vital grove]

idk i dont think they announced any future vivarium animals and i think pachy would be a herbivore

specifically fruit has me thinking vivarium

[lean hound]

Why would pachy be in a vivarium??

[vital grove]

this

[lean hound]

Whoops

But why do you associate the frugivore diet with vivariums

[frozen blaze]

dire wolf would go so hard

[frozen blaze]

from what i know theres only 1 valid pachy speceis at the moment

and then theres sygi

[lean hound]

Tomato tomato

[vital grove]

with exceptions most are small, and i think pachycehpahlosaurus would be noted as just a herbivore

[peak hazel]

it'd be P. wyomingensis and P. Spinifer

or S. spinifer depending on your view

[frozen blaze]

from what i know spinfer rn is considerd sygimoloic

i may have botched the spelling

[peak hazel]

Stygi is at the very least a different species

[frozen blaze]

yeah

[peak hazel]

might be a different genera depending on who you ask

[vital grove]

not saying those wouldnt come to the game but id expect them with full release as generalist herbivores

[frozen blaze]

spinfer tho is stygi from what i know tho

[vital grove]

idk why they would specifically be frugivores

[left spear]

Pachy is the most likely candidate based merely on update theme

[peak hazel]

the diet doesn't really matter in some senses since a lot of the guys have several food types

[frozen blaze]

also i say this cause theres no canine repersentation in the game rn

[frozen blaze]

yeah that is fair

i loki hopin for sloth😭

[left spear]

It fills the third facet of combat (interspecies) along Allo (Hunting) and stego (defense)

[vital grove]

that would be amazing

[peak hazel]

the dastardly Mau could make it coty or something

[frozen blaze]

ikr

[lean hound]

A ground sloth would be cool but I don’t expect it tbh

[peak hazel]

but pachy just makes the most sense

[left spear]

19

[lean hound]

Yerp

[frozen blaze]

me neither but from what i remember it was classified as a fruit eater but as said that doesnt really matter

[frozen blaze]

idk about then

[vital grove]

pretty sure both were planned and idk how pachy makes more sense than a sloth if atleast a portion of its diet is fruit

[frozen blaze]

i feel like there gonna add the final dino additions then

[peak hazel]

I'd expect a sloth in u19 as stated

its just more logical

[frozen blaze]

from what i know most of a sloths diet is fruit actaully

[lean hound]

It’s the combat update, pachy is known for it’s prominent feature linked to combat

[frozen blaze]

why do you say that

[peak hazel]

I won't complain about a u17 sloth though

[frozen blaze]

also no fruit eaters are planned for u19

[peak hazel]

combat update adding the dinosaur that is known for fighting by ramming into stuff

[autumn plover]

It was also strongly speculated on the blurred roadmap

[frozen blaze]

can i see

[peak hazel]

the thing mau said applies

diet isn't as important as you're suggesting

[frozen blaze]

i know that

[vital grove]

i mean maybe. it will be in the game at some point but if we go by one of the major parts of its diet being fruit id say its gonna be full release as one of the herbivores on that list

[frozen blaze]

that wasnt what i was saying

[frozen blaze]

thanks

[lean hound]

What could this possibly be if not pachy

[left spear]

Me

[peak hazel]

micropachycephalosaurus

duh

[vital grove]

but oviraptor is also later so i wouldnt be suprised if they changed some things in that

[frozen blaze]

wasnt that guy planned aswel

[peak hazel]

no

[vital grove]

also all 4 species of allosaurus? thats a bit to many alts

[lean hound]

That was a one time thing

[peak hazel]

no its not

its allosaurus

[frozen blaze]

who am i thinking then

it was a small pachycephalosaur speceis

[lean hound]

It’s good

[peak hazel]

well 3 Allosaurus + S. maximus

shows the diversity of the genus

and for an animal like Allosaurus
thats needed

[vital grove]

well, saurophaganax is now a. anax but im curious if its really all 4

[plush nacelle]

It is

[vital grove]

and if none of them are an extra vivarium species they simply never mentione

[frozen blaze]

i was so confused for a sec

[peak hazel]

they've confirmed its all 4

[vital grove]

really

[frozen blaze]

why you called it its old name😭

[peak hazel]

just depends if they have it as S. maximus or A. anax

[vital grove]

probably a anax

[frozen blaze]

prob a anax

[peak hazel]

I'm expecting Saurophaganax but I can see it going either way

[frozen blaze]

i mean...

thats a sauropod now

and the news is what

[peak hazel]

it'd help if I could spell

[frozen blaze]

2 years old now

i think

[vital grove]

the devs value accuracy so a anax

[peak hazel]

I have my reasons

[peak hazel]

Mike!

post the image

[left spear]

Paleomeme

[frozen blaze]

lol

[peak hazel]

also S. maximus being a sauropod is a sort of not really sort of thing

there is some sort of giant Allosaurid in the morrison no matter which name you give it

[frozen blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/dinosaur-king-magma-blaster-gif-18625767

[peak hazel]

I don't think the reassignment is a one and done thing either

[frozen blaze]

do you guys think we will get any abelisaurs before launch

[left spear]

Oh this is suggestion

I thought It was discussion lol

[frozen blaze]

nahh

[left spear]

So uh

Uh

[frozen blaze]

i came in here to suggest the goat

[left spear]

Pannoniasaurus

[left spear]

Carno in 19

[plush nacelle]

No

[left spear]

Then hopefully Majunga in a dlc or update

[peak hazel]

the dastardly Mau has soft confirmed Carnotaurus

thankfully not doing the dance

[plush nacelle]

Cause U19 is launch

[frozen blaze]

is there any talk of dlc

[left spear]

Even then

[frozen blaze]

i hope not

[left spear]

Like

It's Carno

[frozen blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/carno-carnotaurus-carnodance-dancing-dinosaur-gif-25723580

[left spear]

One is confirmed

And flyers and aquatics would probably be mostly dlc

[frozen blaze]

ohh yeah the recently extinct right

[left spear]

With a couple of free additions

[frozen blaze]

ok i doubt that one

like i think theyll have dlc

just not to like the extent of whole game features like aquatics or flyers

[frozen blaze]

and if that is right

[left spear]

Not the whole feature

[frozen blaze]

ambulocetus would be one

[peak hazel]

it would yes

[left spear]

But they said that if they were to be implemented most of their roster would most likely come mostly in dlcs

Merely because they would be far past free updates in the timeline

Granted this is based on random dev comments without any real weight but still

[frozen blaze]

yeah i beileive the only one kinda confirmed is the recently extinct stuff but yet from what i rememeber it was jsut talks nothing final

[left spear]

Eh

[frozen blaze]

can you show me

[left spear]

I feel like RE is a guarantee

Like it's been a thing for more than 8 years

Even if just in concept art

[frozen blaze]

true true

[lean hound]

It's almost definitely right, everything on it so far has been correct

[frozen blaze]

we shouldnt really take something they said 5 years ago or smth as fact

[left spear]

Idk, that's just what recall from the many talks about the subject

Couldn't give you an exacto message

[frozen blaze]

yeah but its yet to prove right on future uypdates i mean

[frozen blaze]

thats fine

[frozen blaze]

this still applys tho

[lean hound]

It kinda has a bit

with utah and carno

[frozen blaze]

CARNO

it was confirmed

[lean hound]

yeah

[left spear]

Most of everything in the Game is taken from that type or stuff or older, most modern models and skins are heavy based if not extremely similar to 2020 and older type of stuff

[lean hound]

Mau confirmed it while calling php's carno lame iirc lmao

[amber field]

I think it will different genus

[peak hazel]

it might be

we'll see

[left spear]

For other statements sure, but RE has so much history is all but guaranteed imo

[frozen blaze]

no not like that i meant we shouldnt be taking random dev comments seriously

[peak hazel]

depends

Mau is a known misdirector but I think it's best to acknowledge what he says

[frozen blaze]

yeah

its like a coin flip

[left spear]

Known liar

Patron of mischief

[peak hazel]

like how he says pk Carno will not have the dance

[left spear]

Serial fiend even

[frozen blaze]

bro couldve been rage baiting before rage baiting

[peak hazel]

I'm hoping thats not a lie because it'd be a huge blunder if it did

[frozen blaze]

Suuuuuuuuure

[peak hazel]

oooo lets have the animal with giant horns use its arms for courtship

the arms that are vestigial

[left spear]

Carno will instead breakdance on it's horns to attract males

[peak hazel]

now thats what I'm talking about

[left spear]

Dawg

[frozen blaze]

ddint it have pretty mobile arms

[left spear]

Homosexual carnotaurus

*mates

[peak hazel]

maybe?

but if any animal is dancing like that its not Carno

[left spear]

The sockets allow for a lot of movement

More so that the average theropod

[amber field]

Perhaps pahcy and Stygimoloch

[left spear]

But It just feels like PP doing the classic "Erm...Uhhhh.... Hh.. Display yeah sure it's for display..."

[frozen blaze]

it moved better then other theropods😭

[peak hazel]

yes and

[frozen blaze]

they did that for everything

it made me so mad bro

[peak hazel]

famously not everything that evolves serves a purpose

[left spear]

Like me

[frozen blaze]

like why did the whole show either have to be either an animal sleeping or courting, like these animals wouldve shown way cooler beahviors

[peak hazel]

thats a lot of what animals do

[frozen blaze]

yeah but thats not the only thing they do

[peak hazel]

they eat, sleep, mate and occasionally hunt and fight

[frozen blaze]

idk i wouldve loved to see how a tyranosaur marking its territory

and mabye defending from a rival

or

a proper sauropod migration

and mabye switch up the courting

[left spear]

Eh there was defenetly a lack of playing, making territory, child rearing (plenty of child eating tho) and general traversal

[frozen blaze]

everytime it always was

[left spear]

They seem extremely sedentary in the Doc except for like the trikes maybe

[peak hazel]

eh you'd see more migratory sauropods in the Jurassic

[frozen blaze]

its described as a rival but noooo there actaully here to mate

every time

[left spear]

1 or 2 extra hunting scenes would have been nice aswell

[frozen blaze]

honestly i think it be hadrosaurs instead

[left spear]

Not showing the trike VS Rex was criminal

[frozen blaze]

we kinda got the main ceratopsians

[peak hazel]

that is true

[frozen blaze]

yeah

like why didnt we see rex vs trike at least once

we saw only the aftermath

[peak hazel]

also no Ankylosaurus in a Maastrichtian documentary

[left spear]

PP's structure was also kidna shit

[peak hazel]

I think wwd has the better format

[frozen blaze]

ice age was worse when it came to this]

[peak hazel]

original that is

[left spear]

Is It that hard to commit to a story or atleast continent

[frozen blaze]

dude ice age went from somewhere in europe with cave lions then suddenly to alaska with megalonyx and then back to the lions in the cave in europe then all the way to south america

like

whats the theme there exactly

theres some more then that

[left spear]

Uhhhh

Mammal

[frozen blaze]

honestly

the mammoths shouldve been 1 episode

[left spear]

The mammal bias in Ice Age is pretty criminal aswell

[frozen blaze]

like the megalania slander in the show

[peak hazel]

so what wwb does

[left spear]

Nothing happens to the babies unless you're a kangoroo

In that case fuck you ig lmao

[frozen blaze]

yes because idk why they split the story between like the whole season

[left spear]

And the Megalania disrespect was crazy

[frozen blaze]

in episodes they dont belong

[left spear]

They somehow make It look small

[frozen blaze]

like 2 deaths

[left spear]

How do you fuck up so much

[frozen blaze]

procoptodon

and megalania baby

[left spear]

Honestly

Stegodon baby should have died

[frozen blaze]

and then there was the villianization of all carnivores😭

[frozen blaze]

i would argue the lion that escaped shoudlve been able to snatch a bear cub at least

and the other lion dies

[left spear]

Wouldn't have minded if the Teratornis knocked the sloth off either

Akin to eagles with goats

[frozen blaze]

yeah

[left spear]

Although i'm fine with that one having a Happy ending

Same with the Elephant bird

[frozen blaze]

wanna move this to descusion]

so we arent filling this chat

[peak hazel]

I think Naish said that people generally find it easier to see reptiles getting killed in these situations over mammals

which
sure that does make sense

but still

[frozen blaze]

mammal bias

[left spear]

Most people lack empathy towards anything that isn't cute

[peak hazel]

we are mammals

[left spear]

Actually

Most people just lack empathy

[heavy scarab]

I would like to see more thyreophorans

[amber field]

So coty is cute ?

[left spear]

Blasphemous that you have to ask

[desert flame]

It would be a great surprise if Utahraptor came in the combat update U17 lol

[silver steeple]

Reminder that Ugrunaaluk has been invalid for nearly a decade and was added when alt genera were split regardless

And this

[chrome wigeon]

Saurophaganax is way more deserving of keeping its name than Urgunaaluk btw

and it'll actually have a different design than Allosaurus

[peak hazel]

as long as the design is good and the name isn't egregious
I'm fine with whatever

having Saurophaganax or Ugrunaaluk is fine
but then if we got something like Dynamosaurus as a rex alt
then I'd be asking questions

[autumn plover]

i dont get the big deal over what its named

Allosaurus anax or Saurophaganax it's still the same animal at the end of the day

[final quest]

Saurophaganax = rule of cool

Lord of the lizard eaters

[last kettle]

Utahraptor would be so tough

[final quest]

Utahraptor is confirmed

[last kettle]

oh shit it is

LETS GOOO

[final quest]

Some of its arm art was posted by Mau once

[last kettle]

thanks man

let's fucking go bro

I LOVE the utahraptor

[final quest]

Yee it’s theorized for update 20

[last kettle]

bet

wait i do have a question tho

[left spear]

*19

[last kettle]

im just going to ask you because you seem well knowledgeable on the community

[left spear]

But yes

[last kettle]

https://giphy.com/gifs/yes-napoleon-dynamite-fist-89x4osEodHEoo

[left spear]

Yup only 3 updates left

[last kettle]

so will dinosaurs be able to break out?

[left spear]

Yes

[last kettle]

dude im so excited

[left spear]

U18

So like

December maybe for breakouts

[last kettle]

damn bro im just dying of joy today 🥹

[lean hound]

https://trello.com/b/JAp8HMuy/prehistoric-kingdom-public-roadmap this will answer most of your questions

[last kettle]

YES THERE IS A TRELLO

[left spear]

Pretty good way to figure what's coming

[last kettle]

THANK YOU MAN

[left spear]

For things not in the Trello there's a couple of blurred teasers of the game's roadmap and a confirmed DLC about recently extinct animals

[last kettle]

oooooo sick

[left spear]

Here are the blurred teasers and our guesses as what they are

[last kettle]

okay lemme read up

[lean hound]

From what we know the blurred roadmap might be entirely correct

Everything has been right so far

[last kettle]

are red the correct guesses

[left spear]

The update one atleast

The post EA one is far less clear

[lean hound]

Yeah

[left spear]

Confirmed animals if i'm not mistaken

[last kettle]

wait i thought we alr had oviraptor

[last kettle]

right okay

[left spear]

The image is old so something like Utah isn't listed as confirmed

[last kettle]

i guessed so bc of stegosaurus

[lean hound]

Oviraptor was originally coming in update 19

[last kettle]

ahhh okay

[left spear]

U19 fit merged with 15

[last kettle]

ahhh but they changed it

mk mk

[left spear]

So we do have Ovi

[lean hound]

Yeah, that's why u20 used to be a thing

[last kettle]

i dont recognize some of those species so ima do some googlin rq

[lean hound]

What's now u19 was once u20

[last kettle]

ah okay

omg i just noticed deinosuchus

[peak hazel]

the roadmap predictions haven't been wrong so far

[last kettle]

that would be sickkkk

[last kettle]

right

oh wait

that means pachycephalosaurus has been confirmed

that cool

i wonder what kind of design they will be going for

[peak hazel]

it isn't confirmed yet

just predicted

[last kettle]

oh okay

ambulocetus is so cute omg

[left spear]

Ancient Proto-whale

[last kettle]

right

jeez they were tiny fellas

in comparison to a whale ofc

kelenken would be scary

[left spear]

Oh and ig for the Post-EA roadmap Bison is soft-confirmed

[last kettle]

how so?

[left spear]

It's not blurred

[last kettle]

oh wait yeah 😭

well that's cool

big horns

[trail moth]

deinotherium will be the cenozoic equivalent of plateosaurus for me

(used in every one of my parks)

[peak hazel]

I haven't got a creature I use in all of my parks

mainly because I suck at finishing them

[last kettle]

i have to put a spinosaurus enclosure in all of my parks

it's like my lifeforce

[trail moth]

my parks are usually small because ive noticed i struggle at spacing them out alot

that and i mainly just want to take pictures

[last kettle]

haha yeah

[peak hazel]

30 species is something I've figured out as a good maximum

[last kettle]

i get sizing alright

but sometimes the enclosures are to large

[peak hazel]

22 is the minimum for 5 stars though

once u17 releases I want to make an all coastal species park but I might bend that slightly

[trail moth]

my main park rn is uh

torvos
plateo ts
paracers, forgot which species
edmonto annectens
pelte and tiktaalik vivs

[peak hazel]

since I do really like stuff like Velociraptor and Plateosaurus

[left spear]

500 Juxia

That's usually mine

[peak hazel]

currently my most used are Juxia, Sinotherium, P. gracilis, P. sp and Acro

which says a lot about how far I usually get into my parks

I think if I just start and stop a park whenever I get burnt out I should avoid getting unhappy with it

[trail moth]

im surprised i havent used rex or acro much, they're 2 of my favorite theropods

[rigid spindle]

If ambulo and deino get added I'm gonna put them in every park I make in one way or another

[eager thunder]

DEVS

GIVE ME U17 UTAHRAPTOR

AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[rigid spindle]

I might even build entire buildings to house them like I do with pretty much every other species

[rigid spindle]

U(17)tahraptor

[eager thunder]

So cool

[peak hazel]

frugivore Utahraptor

[eager thunder]

A little fruit
As a treat

[median glen]

we do

[last kettle]

HONESTLY

[outer crater]

mfw ornithomimus is in post-EA ideas but dimetrodon isn’t

[alpine thicket]

Dimetrodon is confirmed.

[eager thunder]

Weird looking bird

[last kettle]

soo prettyyyyy

[eager thunder]

Not having something as iconic as dimetrodon in EA feels weird tbh

[eager thunder]

Imagining a zookeeper messing around with one the same way they do in those tiger videos

[last kettle]

omg that would be fucking hilarious

[eager thunder]

Or hyenas

[left spear]

It's a great spearhead for the first update

I would expect It on u20

[eager thunder]

True I guess

[last kettle]

i hope when they add casualties in U18 the zoo keepers can be mauled

it sounds psychotic

but hear me out

[eager thunder]

That’s the plane

*plan

[last kettle]

it PISSEES me off

that they can just go up to a feeder

with a trex

right next to them

[left spear]

Eh

Depends

Like

[eager thunder]

I get that

[left spear]

In some cases you can just go up to a Tiger and feed it

[eager thunder]

I wish there was like, a hight based feeder

Where you could drop food in from a elevation

[last kettle]

right maybe they could build bonds

[left spear]

Don't see why a Rex wouldn't be the same, i just doubt It would be done due to crushing risks

[last kettle]

i hope they change how terrain works aswell

it's kinda impossible to build caves

[last kettle]

yeah

i guess i know what you mean

[left spear]

Oh yeah 3d terrain editing is my #1 most wanted feature

[last kettle]

but i feel like if a female t rex saw me within a 100 meter radius of their kid

id be food

[last kettle]

honestly

[left spear]

It's a chore to build them with rocks and when doing Big ones they tend to look off

[last kettle]

especially for like underground stuff

[eager thunder]

The terrain is pretty good currently but yeah some updates would rule

[last kettle]

yeah

[eager thunder]

I’ve found a pretty good way to make pit enclosures myself

[last kettle]

i also hope they change how the painting works

because i have to spend like 20 minutes making sure the grass doesn't leach out of the containment

[last kettle]

im listening

[eager thunder]

I’m sure something like a exhibit limited paintbrush wouldn’t be too hard

[eager thunder]

I have a preset on the workshop that works pretty consistently from what I’ve found

[last kettle]

yeah

[plush nacelle]

If you look closely it is clear this list includes either animals from OG 50 or these which could reuse rig

[last kettle]

okay

[plush nacelle]

So it makes more sense for ornithomimus to be there than dimetro

[eager thunder]

I gtg but I’ll get back you on that

[last kettle]

such a pretty design

[last kettle]

alr ttyl

/e wave

https://giphy.com/gifs/the-simpsons-hello-hi-ASd0Ukj0y3qMM

or this one

oh my oh myu

utahraptors 😍

[slim flare]

Why

[peak hazel]

I've heard things

[simple dawn]

Cortylorhynchus for obvious reasons

[jade jay]

Prionosuchus

[slim flare]

Do you think the holotype isn’t dubious?

[idle hearth]

Pachycephalosaurus & Stygimoloch (with Dracorex as the growth stage of both species)

[slim flare]

Dracorex is a growth stage of P. spinifer

[rigid spindle]

I'm not in the mood to find out if can get kicked off the patreon, but I will say they aren't monkeys

[simple dawn]

Probably pachycephalosaurus or some other

[eager thunder]

Wyoming and spinnifer my beloved

[simple dawn]

I do like saurians pachy tho

[eager thunder]

What does that mean

[left spear]

Saurian's desing

Wouldn't mind that type of tail on a skin

[eager thunder]

This is a neat design

Any evidence of that irl?

The tail thing

[slim flare]

Probably not

[calm sedge]

Where's the list to suggest species?

And what ones are coming up?

[simple dawn]

wdym

[rigid spindle]

Right here

[rigid spindle]

This

[calm sedge]

Ty

[simple dawn]

Paleosiwina would be cool

[flint sable]

correct with asterisks

all the stuff on there has been included but theres been additions and reshuffling

as an example, more stuff was added to U16, and the original U19 with Oviraptor and Breeding was added to U15

[simple dawn]

In the second image... if that is correct, I wouldnt be mad at all

[feral cedar]

I would be, no Cotylorhynchus

[simple dawn]

Oh shit

[burnt gate]

ALBERTOSAURUS

!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/steamhappy-bounce-gif-4494413053043569714

[cosmic cosmos]

better have a gorgo alt

[burnt gate]

It’d be weird if it didn’t

Their both peak

[feral cedar]

The PK team seems to prioritize alt genera as mostly being species that were once lumped or are otherwise taxonomically debated

For example, Tarbosaurus is sometimes thought to be a Mongolian species of Tyrannosaurus, thus Tyrannosaurus bataar

Brontosaurus has been intertwined for a long time with Apatosaurus

etc

So considering how Albertosaurus libratus is sometimes argued for, Gorgosaurus is a prime candidate to be an alt genus with Albertosaurus

[silver steeple]

This was a bigger thing towards the beginning

Obviously still happens but its not as strong an indicator as it was around the original EA launch

[flint sable]

actually what was the most recent alt added

I dont even remember bro

Bronto right?

[silver steeple]

Bronto

[feral cedar]

Yeah but the only alt genera to push the envelope have been mammals. Juxia and Sinotherium aren't intertwined with their parent species much

[flint sable]

ye Sino and Juxia dont follow the trend

but generally with dinosaurs that trend is correct

[silver steeple]

Dino taxonomy is also just handled differently

[feral cedar]

And next update we're getting Saurophaganax... I know Allosaurus maximus has been a suggestion for a while, and it was technically vindicated with Allosaurus anax

[silver steeple]

So that's probably part of it

[flint sable]

true

also that actually gives me a science question

and taxonomy question

like just take lion skeleton and tiger skeleton right

and thats all we have

[feral cedar]

It probably has something to do with the fact that usually only the taxonomically-debated dinosaur species bear a close enough resemblance to the parent species to actually be an alt

[flint sable]

would we put them in the same genus, same species, or different genus if we held them to the same standard of dinosaur remains

just based on the bones and we know nothing else like how we do

[silver steeple]

Depends on the researcher frankly lol

General consensus would probably end up as separate sp in the same genus

[flint sable]

really?

I dont think thats an impossibility

[silver steeple]

Skeletally lions and tigers are extremely similar

[flint sable]

but I feel like in some dinosaur remains that ive seen, individual skeletal variation is way more than the difference of lions and tigers skeletally

[silver steeple]

However if we had complete skeletons they have key differences

[flint sable]

but then again that could also just be a reptile thing

idk

[feral cedar]

Edmontonia + Denversaurus is another alt combo with some weight to it, since Edmontonia schlessmani is one name that's been thrown around like in the late 80s

[flint sable]

like not nessecarily even like size but just general shape

[feral cedar]

Now they're in separate genera, but Denversaurus meets the same "criteria" as the other alt genera

[flint sable]

also I think another part of it is we in no way hold extinct genera to the same standard as living ones

[feral cedar]

^

[flint sable]

there are tiny fossil mammal genera that have a 40 million year long existence

[feral cedar]

I mean genera are mostly subjective to an extent

[silver steeple]

Absolutely

[silver steeple]

P much yeah

[flint sable]

definitely

species are usually a lot more concrete in their time and localities

but genera are just all over the place

or like

arthropleura as an example

we have two members of arthropleuridae

2 genera

one of them is basically just a tiny "regular" millipede from the devonian

and then arthropleura has like 8 species over 40 million years

[feral cedar]

Panthera leo and Panthera tigris are just as much as different species as they would be if we had like, Panthera leo and Borealotherium tigris or whatever

[flint sable]

for all internsive purposes I guarentee if we could see those in the flesh, they would 100% be different genera

only once you get to the second half of the cenozoic does stuff generally start to more closely mirror how we do modern taxonomy

of living and pleistocene animals

[silver steeple]

As we get closer to the modern era, the remains we find are generally higher quality and quantity

[feral cedar]

Arthropleura is definitely overlumped, but I also think dinosaurs tend to be oversplit to an extent

[silver steeple]

Which helps greatly for genus and sp level recognition on our part

[silver steeple]

Dinosaurs are probably overlumped if anything

[feral cedar]

It depends on the dinosaur tbh

[silver steeple]

Not much

Dinosaur paleo tends to be bad about assuming things

[flint sable]

I mean just based on the very nature of paleontology and fossil deposition

[flint sable]

I would say that generally speaking if its from two seperate formations it would almost certainly not be considered the same species if we could see them in the flesh

unless from pretty much the exact same geological time

[silver steeple]

I'm not saying every dinosaur should be as speciose as like psittacosaurus

[feral cedar]

My ideal way of tackling the overlumping issue as a person completely uninvolved in paleo as a career is to focus on the "original" specimens

[flint sable]

or hell even within the same formation if the time gap is long enough

[feral cedar]

So for example, Ornithomimus was first found and named from rocks in the Denver Formation of Colorado, which puts it at a Lancian faunal stage and therefore a contemporary of the Hell Creek gang

[silver steeple]

But there's an abstract (eventually a paper) covering cryptic sp from Dr. Napoli that talks about up to 8 more species of Velo just from what we've dug up out of Mongolia

[silver steeple]

You'd be correct because that's how diagnoses are formed

You have to use the original specimen to inform taxonomic relations of others

[feral cedar]

So for PK I'd suggest Ornithomimus velox to be treated as a Hell Creek animal essentially, even though some fossils imply the genus is 10 million years old and lived in the Campanian

[silver steeple]

Napoli talks about this in detail on the Skeleton Crew video the other day about Stygivenator

[feral cedar]

But some dinosaurs being overlumped doesn't mean a few others aren't oversplit

[silver steeple]

But overall Ornithomimids of north america are a taxonomic nightmare

For no good reason lol

Just a history of bad descriptions and assignments

North american troodontids suffer similarly

[feral cedar]

I think Napoli does some pretty good work, and he did a great job at grabbing the Nanotyrannus mess and completely untangling it with definitive data to prove it's a distinct species... with that said, I am not so sure about his data regarding dromaeosaur species

[silver steeple]

Sure but speaking on a general level its far more common to be overlumped

[eager thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/cotylorhynchus-my-beloved-beloved-dinosaur-reptile-gif-22077496

[feral cedar]

Napoli has in the past used a matrix that recovers Balaur and Deinonychus as nested within the Mongolian velociraptorines. I'm crossing my fingers that 8 different species under the Velociraptor genus is not the result obtained from using this matrix

He really needs to update it LOL

[silver steeple]

I don't think you should be evaluating the worth of a paper on a matrix not designed for it

[feral cedar]

I'm hoping Napoli didn't use that same matrix for this paper

If he didn't, good

[pliant hinge]

Beelzebufo

[shell sonnet]

that's the over sized

[fiery crow]

extremely

there is NO WAY that thing was eating baby sauropods

[silver steeple]

Depends on the baby sauropod

Rapetosaurus isn't very large

Not to say the art isn't oversized ftr

Beelze is "only" about the size of the largest modern frogs at best

[flint sable]

the most frequent size comparison ive seen is it's approximately the size of the living chilean helmeted bullfrog

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calyptocephalella

[silver steeple]

This with a larger head seems about right

[slim flare]

Did we always know it was that large and there was widespread ignorance, or was there an official downsizing?

[warm ice]

I think it was official but
I’ve had an extremely hard time FINDING that article
There’s also an even larger frog from the Eocene, from this family

But it isn’t described so
Probably not gonna get into PK anytime soon

[plush nacelle]

Quick research indicate Initially it was bunch of fragmentary bones with animal reconstruction being based on paraguayan horned frog

But with time and more found remains it turned out beelzebufo is really weird with head making up half of animal size

Proportionally more similar to brazilian horned frog, which is now modern base for reconstructions

[slim flare]

Huh

The big consumer I guess

[calm sedge]

Any of the famil we havent seen here yet.

[desert flame]

Looking at this, I'm excited to think that there will probably be five new species of Proboscidea added, including alternative species.
This list of Proboscidea is already sufficient, but if we were to add two more, I personally think it would be perfect if there were two more species a primitive elephant like Moetherium and a unique elephant like Platybelodon.

[final quest]

I really hope it’s Gigantoraptor that’s my 2nd favorite dino

[eager thunder]

More Jurassic era amphibians for the vivariums

[amber field]

Do you have examples?