Community Species Suggestions

[left spear]

Ig Alamo would have been better

Or Sauro

[digital pendant]

I dont see the point of arguing about animals that have been added already

is pointless

[shell sonnet]

It has the most complete giant titanosaur specimen; every titanosaur is going to reference it

[feral cedar]

I was about to say

[fiery crow]

exactly

[left spear]

What is the channel if not for pointless banter

[feral cedar]

Being fragmentary is not in of itself a disqualifier, it's more akin to the context surrounding the fragmentary nature of the animal

[left spear]

Sure

But returning to sillo

The big specimen is literally a single vertebrae 😭

[fiery crow]

Sillo vs. Oxalaia, you can tell which one seems more likely

[feral cedar]

Yup

[desert flame]

To be honest, I'm personally satisfied with the current roster of sauropods. If we were to add more, it might be better to add smaller species.

[fiery crow]

isn’t there another specimen though

[left spear]

For Big boys we only need Diplo

Then go for Shuno, Niger, Amarga and maybe Magyaro

[shell sonnet]

Mamechi stomp

[fiery crow]

Salta, Niger, Shuno, Amarga, Mamenchi

[mint creek]

If I could pick one more sauropod it would be Amargasaurus

[fiery crow]

Melanoro and Masso

[left spear]

Not exactly remarkable

[fiery crow]

Europa

[left spear]

In sauropods Big boy means 15t+

[left spear]

Fine as DLC ig

[feral cedar]

An example of a fragmentary animal that could (and should) make it in is Polacanthus. The PK dev team can reference Gastonia (or even include the latter as an alt) because they're both polacanthines and closely related. Pola itself would fit right in with Iguanodon, and I wager other European Barremian animals like Hypsilophodon and Pelecanimimus also being wanted means having a Wealden-Las Hoyas type enclosure is very possible

[left spear]

Pola should indeed get in

As an alt

[fiery crow]

how heavy were Niger and Amarga

and Europa

[mint creek]

I think the fragmentary animal with the strongest case is Therizinosaurus

[left spear]

Much less than 15 tons

[fiery crow]

too iconic to not be included

vs. Andrewsarchus

[left spear]

Amarga is the bigger one of those and it's 5t tops

[fiery crow]

who is also iconic but is literally just a skull

[mint creek]

I think Andrewsarchus is in the top 5 fragmentary animals worth considering

[feral cedar]

An example of a fragmentary animal that shouldn't make it in is Barbaridactylus. First and foremost, Barbaridactylus belongs to a clade of pterosaurs with highly variable crest shapes even among those classified in the same genus. We know nothing of Barbaridactylus other than 'giant Maastrichtian nyctosaur' and the most important part of pteranodontians, the crest, is missing

[left spear]

Hyped up Daedon

[fiery crow]

we don’t even 100% know what it was though

[mint creek]

Hell yeah

It's got hype and vibes

[left spear]

Most overrated Cenozoic animal imo

[feral cedar]

Andrewsarchus' current restorations make it a watered-down Daeodon

[slender tangle]

Just wanna take a second to give a shoutout to Huayangosaurus for a few reasons:
-It'd be a good novel stegosaur taxa to add outside of Stego itself
-It would increase the Middle Jurassic Rep, of which we have shockingly little
-It has horns on its head

[mint creek]

Perfect for an alt then

[left spear]

There are better alts

Archaeotherium

[mint creek]

Never heard of 'em

[fiery crow]

Huayango, Kentro, and Gigantospino would be neat

Tuojiango?

[feral cedar]

Don't forget tuo

[left spear]

Small entelodont

More unique than slightly big entelodont

[fiery crow]

not sure about Chungkingo or Wuehro

[shell sonnet]

Entelodon itself

[feral cedar]

ngl I think that JWE 2's stego roster but Miragaia instead of Wuerhosaurus and Tuojiangosaurus instead of Chungkingosaurus would be AMAZING

[shell sonnet]

Don't bother with those two

[fiery crow]

Wuehro is cool though, the idea of stegosaurs surviving into the Cretaceous is interesting to me

[left spear]

Archaeo has a cool formation and size going for it

I think it's atleast worth considering

[shell sonnet]

There's quite a few others

[digital pendant]

the game should have 90% Late Pleistocene animals because they are on average the least fragmentary animals

😎

[fiery crow]

I’m fine with Nothrio and Miracinonyx

are there any others

[peak hazel]

true...

[feral cedar]

PK if holdthepineapple controlled the roster

[peak hazel]

ez*

[mint creek]

Horrors beyond comprehension

[fiery crow]

if I was in charge of the roster… this game would be getting DLC for DECADES…

[feral cedar]

EZ was more of an Early Pleistocene and older mammal fan

[shell sonnet]

There's already a game like that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Zoo

[feral cedar]

Which, based. I have no fucking clue where he even learnt of half of the things he requested, but based nonetheless

[peak hazel]

ik its not Pleistocene

[feral cedar]

Kid certainly had better taste than a lot of the JWE fan requests

[mint creek]

I miss Ez

[peak hazel]

or is it

its not late Pleistocene at least

[shell sonnet]

Eh... too normal kingdom for my taste

[peak hazel]

either way I would like to see Deinotherium

[mint creek]

Probably the most wanted elephant

My third most wanted Cenozoic after Megatherium and a Chalicothere

[feral cedar]

My ideal proboscidean roster is incomplete

[peak hazel]

I need to ready up

[feral cedar]

I want Columbian mammoths, a mastodon, Deinotherium, and Moeritherium

[peak hazel]

yeah thats good

[fiery crow]

Phosphatherium

[shell sonnet]

According to the poll, it is

[feral cedar]

Platybelodon and Palaeoloxodon could be cool but I'm indifferent to them ngl

[fiery crow]

our only chance at getting a vivie proboscidean

[mint creek]

I think Deinotherium, Platybelodon, Mastodon and Moeritherium would be my picks for proboscids

[fiery crow]

I know it’s a bit of a nothingburger but it’d be cool to see

[mint creek]

Maybe Stegotetrabeladon as well

[left spear]

I'd argue the best Next addition is pm falconeri

[desert flame]

Honestly, there are plenty of Cenozoic animals that should be added. There are plenty of options, including mammals, terror birds, and giant reptiles. So, even if they make up 25% of the total list, I doubt they'll fit...

[eager thunder]

Dire wolves

[feral cedar]

It's very likely that PK will never be able to add all the animals that deserve a spot :(

[peak hazel]

V. priscus definitely

[eager thunder]

With the red fur

That they apparently had

[mint creek]

we should put an embargo on any additional ceratopsians and sauropods until we get more elephants

[feral cedar]

I really want Inkayacu added but a prehistoric Eocene penguin is definitely one of those low priority things the devs probably never even considered

[digital pendant]

you know there is no evidence of that right

[eager thunder]

50 billion ceratopsian for hells creek

[eager thunder]

I thought I had saw that somewhere

[shell sonnet]

Nah, plenty of good sauropods worth adding

[feral cedar]

There's no evidence they had reddish fur, it's just a coloration theorized for the species

[peak hazel]

how much is Kairuku known from

[fiery crow]

if I was in charge of the roster… everybody would be getting everything they wanted as long as it isn’t too overly redundant

[peak hazel]

since thats the one I can name first

[digital pendant]

nah that was people assuming it was red because of a plethora of art done that way

[eager thunder]

Well it’d make for a good skin

[mint creek]

Yeah, after a minimum of two more elephants

[feral cedar]

the danger of paleomemes

[left spear]

As if most prehistoric paint isn't reddish

[fiery crow]

we need Platybelodon and Deinotherium

Moeritherium

[feral cedar]

"sauropods" and "ceratopsians" are not a comparable group

[shell sonnet]

The issue isn't the lack of elephants, it's the lack of anything that isn't a dinosaur

[digital pendant]

no im talking about the modern art

there is no cave art of dire wolves

[fiery crow]

Palaeoloxodon

[left spear]

Oh

Damm

[mint creek]

What do you mean, we've already got a bunch of them in game, that's pretty comparable

[digital pendant]

realistically, dire wolves would have had colors similar to wolves because of similar niche and environment

[fiery crow]

Arsinotherium

Barytherium and Numidotherium to a lesser extent

[mint creek]

No it is lack of elephants, trust me, the mammoth told me it's lonely

[peak hazel]

I wonder how many people think Mastodon should've been a Mammoth alt

[eager thunder]

We need more not dinosaurs

[peak hazel]

eh theres a lot of cool dinosaurs we're missing

[desert flame]

There is a general shortage of mammals, but there are plenty of rhinos.

[shell sonnet]

Ceratopsians are concerntrated to a very limited geographic (Lauarasia) and time period (mostly the late K); Sauropods are more numerous and diverse

You can never have enough rhinos

[feral cedar]

Sauropods have lasted for basically the entire age of the dinosaurs

[mint creek]

Yeah irrelevant to my point

[feral cedar]

Not really. I think we have enough ceratopsians for now

But there's a lot of sauropod diversity to explore and I wouldn't mind getting more EA fellows

[mint creek]

Well yeah I'm not saying there's none worth adding lmao

[peak hazel]

we need a Leptoceratopsid and maybe another Chasmosaur

[mint creek]

I'm saying they do have a decent roster already, like ceratopsians, while elephants are lacking

There are good sauropods to add, but elephants need the diversity more atm

[shell sonnet]

No one's saying we shouldn't get more elephants.

Having said that, there are groups with no reps that need them

[mint creek]

Stop putting words in my mouth man

[fiery crow]

https://tenor.com/view/hawk-tuah-man-hawk-tuah-smiling-friends-simpsons-bart-simpson-gif-17084543172922612826

[plush nacelle]

You know what would be fun

Necrolestes for unique subterranean vivarium

[sharp sable]

I'd take some from paleozoic and non-avian dinos and give it to avian ones, like terror birds or some regular mesosoic birds

[shell sonnet]

Most Mesozoic birds are vivarium sized (outside of something like Gargantuavis) and something like a terror bird just belongs in the Cenozoic category

I don't see a reason to give them their own separate section.

[feral cedar]

Spinosaurus mirabilis for PK when

[slim flare]

If only this came out 3 years ago

[eager thunder]

So wait is spinosaurus less stubby now or something?

I’m not entirely sure what this means for spinosaurus as a whole

[feral cedar]

It’s a new species

[eager thunder]

Yeah but you know somewhat comparable and all

[fresh ember]

Not all species in the same genus have the same proportions.

[eager thunder]

Whoops this ain’t the science chat

[slim flare]

Honestly with how PK Spinosaurus is handled, idk how they’d do an alt species

[lean hound]

No coty..

[limber needle]

funny looking guy but i think its more of a meme creature that you'd add with another permian creature (i do love a good coty tho, especially when its depicted as semi aquatic)

my rotund son...they dont make em like this anymore

[left spear]

Is It a meme creatue

[limber needle]

i might do a seperate poll for permian herbis

[left spear]

Like outside the obvious it's just a fantastic addition in general

[limber needle]

i mean if people see this thing it will either make them hate the game or want o buy it instantly

[peak hazel]

WHERE

IS

COTY

[lean hound]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-pizza-delivery-pizza-ping-drink-gif-12125282264899127508

[limber needle]

ok guys chill ill make a herbi poll

[lean hound]

-# *coty

[trail moth]

I'd adore deinotherium

[peak hazel]

ready up

[peak hazel]

how dare you call him a chud

[limber needle]

watch coty get every vote

[limber needle]

chud in a loving way

[peak hazel]

unironically Edapho and Lystro are also great choices

so is Moschops

[limber needle]

its all going to paln

i meant plan dude fuck dyspraxia

[coarse inlet]

Voting for da jonker

[limber needle]

the who

just found this shit searching "jonkleria" im dyingggg

[peak hazel]

man

[trail moth]

oh yeah id also be fine with estemmeno or inostrancevia

[lean hound]

IT IS NOT A CHUD

[limber needle]

my chud son cotylorychus

[limber needle]

unfortuantley i cant edit polls

this guy definetly shits on the walls at gas stations

[eager thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/cotylorhynchus-my-beloved-beloved-dinosaur-reptile-gif-22077496

[limber needle]

Devs yk what to do /j

[rigid spindle]

The numbers are leaning concerningly close to coty losing

My goat must prevail

[limber needle]

What if we all go to Karoo basin and order anteosaurus burger, tapinocephalus fries and estemennosuchus shake, the look on the workers orbital cavity will be priceless

[lean hound]

Paleo with a large + the smallest species

[left spear]

Yeah paleoloxodon is a bit deceitful there

If It has falconeri then i'm sorry Deinotherium but you're gonna have to go

[plush nacelle]

Small phant

Can be stegodon for me

In fact thanks to PP I vibe with tropical tiny elephants more

[lean hound]

pp..

[left spear]

You could say PP's elephants were kind of small

[rich ocean]

Purgatorius could be an addition to the Vivarium species roster. This shrew-like mammal was an early ancestor of humans, dating back 66 million years.

[neat grove]

We know a lot of creatures like that

[sick pasture]

Spinosaurus Mirabilis

[ancient mountain]

The dasosaurus

The ferenceratops

Foskeia

The Haolong

Xenovenator

[feral cedar]

Are you suggesting recently named taxa

[shy vale]

people are going to ask for spinosaurus mirabilis as an alt, aren't they

[humble herald]

yes

[ancient mountain]

Yantaloong yes

[humble herald]

i dont think dinosaurs with barely any remains/fossil findings should be suggested

[shy vale]

haolong has good remains though?

[lean hound]

Juvenile

[ancient mountain]

😞 sorry

[shy vale]

yeah i know

[humble herald]

i would really like Rapator, an aussie Megaraptora

but like

[shy vale]

though aren't there already other animals here that are based off of juvenile remains?

[humble herald]

all we got of it is this lmao

finger

[lean hound]

I guess

[lean hound]

Austrolovenator would be better

[humble herald]

i still dont believe nanotyrannus is its own Clade

its just a baby rex to me

[humble herald]

ehh maybe

[flint sable]

I mean ngl at this point theres essentially 0 evidence to support this

[lean hound]

It’s definitely its own thing

[humble herald]

Kunbarrasaurus

australia didnt really have many predatory dinosaurs

[eager thunder]

Austroloveinator?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTfjoopPGAyFV1hSQ4RHjZKSsjYNVmj8zexBh8h9C8OxlQ6M5hTOwGKhPdKoTbHL58iyYGn_R_VX8kW3YRXCbzjK11T4vXofD_7zip2xK8&s=10

[humble herald]

was just talking about that

Ozraptor would be cool but like
all we got is this

[toxic oriole]

Joaquinraptor could also be cool, and its the most complete megaraptoran to date

[eager thunder]

I love when we decide to name a single bone fragment

[humble herald]

from a single bone fragment we got this

[eager thunder]

The problem is we didn’t we think we did

[toxic oriole]

IS THAT Cryptyrannus or something?

[humble herald]

Minmi paravertebra would be cool aswell but all we got is his toes

[toxic oriole]

Alt I guess...?

[humble herald]

single foot only 3 toes

[toxic oriole]

Minmi's very popular anyways, so how else should they do it?

[eager thunder]

We had a single set of arms for deinocirhus and until we actually found it we thought it was some super large murder thing

You can’t really tell anything with just this

[toxic oriole]

Minmi as an alt or just Minmi itself with Kunbara as the alt?

the paradox would be represented

[humble herald]

i think Kunbarrasaurus and minmi are the same thing honestly

[toxic oriole]

Like with Pteranodon and Geosternbergia?
Those two would be just too perfect together anyways

[humble herald]

they both use the same holotype skeleton

[eager thunder]

Is Minmi valid anymore I’ve heard like 10 different things

[humble herald]

this one

[feral cedar]

Pteranodon longiceps and Pteranodon sternbergi 🤓

[toxic oriole]

EHHHHHH SHADDAP!!!!!!!

[humble herald]

is minmi paravertebra, Kunbarrasaurus idk

[eager thunder]

I don’t know man

[humble herald]

they use the same holotype fossil so i think they are the same thing

[toxic oriole]

Coincidence?

Who knows at this point

[humble herald]

https://museum.wa.gov.au/explore/dinosaur-discovery/minmi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunbarrasaurus

[humble herald]

Minmi is still considered a valid genus

they were found in the same area

IS MINMI KUNBARRA OR IS KUNBARRA MINMI

[humble herald]

i have better

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beg_tse

[ancient mountain]

no

[flint sable]

wait for the same thing to happen to theri that happened to deinocheirus

[eager thunder]

That’s really funny

[humble herald]

BEG

[eager thunder]

Jokes on you Theri has no neck

[humble herald]

i wish this was real

[median glen]

We are in need of one more sauropod

A remarkable one

[shy vale]

at least amargasaurus (with bajadasaurus as an alt)

like dicraeosaurs are fairly distinct

btw, what is the most complete elasmarian found?

[feral cedar]

Muttaburrasaurus I think

[shy vale]

i see...

but is it just me or there has been some bangers in 2026 in terms of dinosaur paleontology so far?

[austere echo]

ive personal just lerned about a species that could be interesting to see in pk at some point

[shy vale]

hyphalosaurus, a small choristodere from yixian

i think a number of people suggested it as a vivarium species

[austere echo]

it could certenly be a fun one

[proper raven]

So a lizard?

[quick ore]

they know that the 2 heads is a feature of that individual specimen and not of the species as a whole... right?

[shy vale]

a choristodere, which is not a lepidosaur (which is what lizards belong to)

[proper raven]

So it is a stem lizard

[shy vale]

no

[proper raven]

So its a stem croc

[flint sable]

either or

taxonomic position debated

1 of three spots

either basically the earliest diverging archosauromorphs, earliest diverging lepidosaurs, or split from the ancestor of both

universally agreed to be neodiapsids though

really weird mfs

lasted all the way till the miocene

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarussuchus

[eager thunder]

I’m in a very Dacentrurus mood

[shy vale]

dacenturus with miragaia alt, or vice versa, would be sick

[feral cedar]

Dacentrurus OR Miragaia with an Alcovasaurus alt

[left spear]

It's a perfectly valid suggestion

[coarse inlet]

Are there any extinct Cenozoic plants worth adding

[dull aurora]

quagga🤔

[mint creek]

doesn't look very plant like

[dull aurora]

i wasnt replying to the plant suggestion lwk

😭

[limber needle]

We should focus on aquatic, Triassic and paleozoic plants more I think

[left spear]

Couple of cool island flowers

But that's about it

Unless you want to add functionally extincts aswell

In which case you have a couple of cooler options

[vast berry]

Thanatosdrakon, a South American Azdarchid named for the Greek Personification of Death

[shell sonnet]

Maybe as an alt to Quetza.

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[lean hound]

If you’re gonna suggest an animal at least use an accurate image that isn’t just ai slop

[feral cedar]

Not the first time this user posts a suggestion using an AI-generated image that doesn’t even accurately convey the animal they’re suggesting

[digital pendant]

im not a fan of ai generated images either, but dont have to single out users for posting them, I did some digging and thats coming from a prehistoric animal website

its one of the first images that shows up on google when searching Thanatosdrakon

[left spear]

Ngl i quickly glanced over It and didn't realize

[feral cedar]

Something felt off

[lean hound]

Fair enough, but almost every image I’ve seen from that website has been ai

[digital pendant]

all of them have been made with AI after browsing that site, might be good to just tell people to avoid using it entirely

similar to how people tell others to not pay attention to prehistoric wildlife

[lean hound]

Alright

[digital pendant]

I suggest to avoid using/posting/referencing images coming from that website, they dont see to portray the animals properly and seems a rather suspicious site in terms of information. I would watch out for that for future suggestion posts 👌

[fervent basalt]

SPINOSAURUS MIRABILIS
The newly discovered Spinosaurus species, which in the game could have the same mechanics as other dinosaurs that have more than one subspecies (like Triceratops, Torvosaurus, Camarasaurus, etc.), I think it would be great to include it, as it's a very beautiful species and would look great in the game.

[peak hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-meme-buzz-year-copy-meme-gif-4668439001950303425

[frosty torrent]

Palaeotherium

[hollow flower]

At this point I feel the devs could do an update that just adds a bunch of new alts to existing animals

[dull prism]

Maybe a post EA update

[coarse inlet]

Apatosaurus louisae pleesaasse

[fresh ember]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind that one should the opportunity arise.

[shell sonnet]

There are quite a few, the third Parasaur species, the other Apatosaur species, Giraffititan, Citipati, Giga, Columbian Mammoth (though I heard this might be difficult given how the fur is attached to the Woolly Mammoth), Shanguto (overhyped though it is), Dyslatosaurus, come to mind.

[fresh ember]

Eh, Citipati has too many anatomical differences for it to work as an alt.

[slim flare]

How is Shang overhyped?

[shell sonnet]

Have you actually been around the JWE community?

[slim flare]

Not really

I just know it’s consistently 15 m long

[eager thunder]

What a strange feller
Neato

[shell sonnet]

Eddie in Musth X 2

[slim flare]

Based…

[hollow flower]

I want shant mostly due to its formation rather than size

[sharp sable]

can't they just downscale the fur rly hard?

[plush nacelle]

Fur on head and belly are part of the model so nah

[shell sonnet]

There's not really much there of interest besides Sinoceratops (and Sino is really only interesting because it's the only non-North American Ceratopsid we've found).

[dull prism]

Columbian mammoth should be its own thing, and then have its alt be the steppe mammoth

[toxic oriole]

Does seem like this guy is confirmed to be coming alongside a wild horse

[shell sonnet]

Think I'd prefer a dwarf mammoth instead

[shy vale]

there's also zhuchengtyrannus, which itself could serve as a 3rd alt for tyrannosaurus/tarbosaurus

[shell sonnet]

Eh... that one is adds nothing

[hollow flower]

I think at some point I wanted to make a Charonosaurus exhibit and then I realized that if Shant was in the game it would make a decent pairing

[shy vale]

what about lusotitan as an alt for brachiosaurus (and giraffaititan)?

[hollow flower]

And it seems because of that I thought the 2 lived together

[shy vale]

charonosaurus and shantungosaurus did not co-exist, the latter is older

[hollow flower]

Precisely

[plush nacelle]

Why not just add

More cave bears

[shy vale]

arctodus and/or arctotherium

[plush nacelle]

These are not cave bears

[shy vale]

oh ok then

actually sinomegalos as an alt for megaloceros could be cool

[shell sonnet]

I'm iffy on a lot of Lourinhã species given there's quite a bit of debate on whether they actually are different generas (if not species) from the Morrison ones

[shy vale]

i mean we're going to have the lourinha species of allosaurus already

[lean hound]

Second one

[eager thunder]

What new ankylosaurid or nodosaurid or whatever the classification is do yall think is most likely

[shy vale]

for what?

[shell sonnet]

Edmontonia

[eager thunder]

I’m biased but I would like Zuul

[eager thunder]

I forgot about that tbh

[left spear]

Funnily enough there is very weak evidence for Zuul

It's one of the more commonly agreed on guesses from the post launch roadmap

[eager thunder]

For a second there i thought you meant as a species which would’ve been really funny

[eager thunder]

The fact we don’t have any giraffoids in game currently is kinda insane to me

[quick ore]

Sivatherium is an absolute must

[slim flare]

What evidence?

[dull prism]

We can get that too

If anything Paleoloxodon would be good for the rig, both the larger species and the dwarf species, and then the small elephants use the small rig while the big ones share the big rig

[burnt gate]

albertosaurus would be a nice add

[rigid spindle]

My goat coty won

Lets go

https://tenor.com/view/all-might-one-for-all-all-for-one-deku-my-hero-academia-gif-26423801

[hollow flower]

Man that is an old meme

[eager thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/cotylorhynchus-my-beloved-beloved-dinosaur-reptile-gif-22077496

[loud needle]

Honestly really love if they add more permian very big hopes for either more in ea or a big permian ubtate

Or a amphibian ubtate

[cosmic cosmos]

prionosuchus, koolasuchus, eryops and mastodonsaurus is the perfect lineup for temnospondyls

[loud needle]

Ecpecilly koolasuchus one of my favriotes from walking with dinosaurs

[shy vale]

what's that?

[feral cedar]

Koolasuchus

[humble herald]

I honestly feel like we should name a species/genus when we have enough fossils of the animal
At least a few vertebrae, half a leg or a arm and a bit of skull fragments
Rather than just a singular finger or toe bone, or tiny bit of skull fragmentation with barely any identifiable information

If the skull is pretty much intact then sure you can name it
But if it's just a left toe nail, maybe don't name it anything, yet.

[proper raven]

Its diagnostic enough from other temnospondyls to get a name

[desert flame]

Miacis is suitable for arboreal vivarium mammal.

[burnt gate]

Albertosaurus

[faint snow]

Borealopelta

[toxic oriole]

I mean... I've seen what people have been saying

And because of the animals preserved colors, it'd most likely just be ONE skin as a whole

So it would have to be an alt for another animal, or something else

[toxic oriole]

Yeah I am aware Microraptor has a similar thing going on, but thats a vivarium animal and... Yeah that was to be expected

[vast berry]

For World Pangolin Day, here's the Eomanis

[eager thunder]

How bigs this one?

Vivarium sized or?

Ok decently not Vivarium sized

[rigid spindle]

Might work for viv

I assume it's a burrower, correct?

[eager thunder]

Way bigger than a viv animal i think

That’s at least ticcao sized or something

[rigid spindle]

Even large vivs?

[eager thunder]

Maybe on the smaller side for exhibit animals but it just seems to big for a viv to me

[quick ore]

weak choice imo

the much better Pangolin species to add would be Manis palaeojavanica

as a proper exhibit animal

[vast berry]

Eomanis was found in the Messel Formation

[plush nacelle]

The best one would be eurotamandua

Which didnt pose scales yet and was arboreal

Perfect for vivarium

[neon blade]

Absolutely not! The more unique animals the better!

[neat grove]

Yeah I thought it was confrimed

[burnt gate]

albertosaurus would be nice

[autumn plover]

Albertosaurus with a Gorgosaurus alt is a must

A feathered/scaly Albertosaurus with a scaly Gorgosaurus

[burnt gate]

yurr

Albertosaurus is PEAK

[desert flame]

Gorgosaurus and Albertosaurus are very similar, so if they were added they might become alt species.

[ancient ibex]

Likely and reasonable

[desert flame]

Albertosaurus and Gorgosaurus fit perfectly into the roster of medium-sized tyrannosaurids.

[short rover]

Almost certainly

[alpine thicket]

Albertosaurus is very likely which makes me very happy, also probably Gorgo to go with it since there's literally no reason not to.

[peak hazel]

blue skin for the Gorgosaurus please

[mint creek]

Any inclusion for dinosaur park makes me happy

[feral cedar]

Albertosaurus and Gorgosaurus are easily two of the most obvious slam dunk additions for alts

Currently in PK, alt genera are mostly those that are taxonomically "messy" to an extent

Brontosaurus, Charonosaurus, Tarbosaurus, and Ugrunaaluk are all intertwined with their parent species

[shy vale]

that i agree

i also feel like Ugrunaaluk shouldn't even be in the game either

[mint creek]

Shantungosaurus...

[short rover]

Tbh I think it’s inclusion as diversity being a smaller cold inclined hadrosaur makes it worth it

But if people suggested it be added today now that we know it’s not valid I’d agree

[alpine thicket]

something like it probably did exist so it's not really that bad to have it ultimately

[lone heart]

Has anyone suggested Josephoartigasia monesi?

[flint sable]

about 7 times in this channel alone

so ye

[quick ore]

it's the most likely exhibit rodent I think

besides the giant beaver

[eager thunder]

Sorry what makes Alberta a obvious inclusion?

[fresh ember]

It's a very well-known tyrannosaurid after T. rex itself.

[slim flare]

Very famous, nice size and features, coexisted with a lot of animals in-game

Obvious Gorgosaurus alt

Was in JPOG and PPa

[eager thunder]

Right, I may just be biased cause I want more Cenozoic rep

[alpine thicket]

Also reasonably different from rex while still being a tyrannosaurid.

[feral cedar]

Albertosaurus has a wealth of remains including a bonebed of close to a dozen individuals of varying sizes, which does offer good insight into its ontogeny if I'm not mistaken. It's a very well-sampled tyrannosaurid. Furthermore, it's contemporaneous with a handful of species already in-game. It's got a comparatively lighter build compared to Tyrannosaurus, which allows it to stand out better than say, Daspletosaurus. Fellow albertosaurine Gorgosaurus would be a great alt, and Gorgosaurus itself also co-existed with even more species in-game than Albertosaurus did

And the cherry on top is that it's probably the second-most popular tyrannosaurid, with many people knowing Albertosaurus from prominent appearances in JPOG, Trespasser, WWD 2025, and it being in like every educational dinosaur book as the token "T. rex relative"

[river perch]

last, but not least: its crests look cool

tyrannosaurids were simply on a generational run of aesthetically appealing skull shapes

[feral cedar]

Its smaller size and lighter build means Albertosaurus could also be given a more present coat of fuzz which would help it stand out from the scaly rex skins

But I'd argue that if given feathers, they should put heavy emphasis on light feathering so that Yutyrannus can swoop in and wow everyone with its proper fluff

[shell sonnet]

To be fair, we do not need a lot more Cenozoic rep (really more non-dino rep).

[eager thunder]

true this

once we get utah carno and pachys I frankly dont need anything else in EA thats a dinosaur

[final quest]

The spino alt is
More unique

[eager thunder]

Is Mcraensis even valid

[silver steeple]

No real reason to believe it isn't until proven otherwise

[eager thunder]

It’s like half a skull at most isn’t it? Why do they give names to that

[silver steeple]

Because presumably it shows differences to T. rex

[alpine thicket]

As of the nano paper mcraensis specifically is on shaky ground as I recall.

But also mirabilis just adds more visually.

[static flame]

yeah definitely mirabilis would offer more

and i say this as a rex fanboy

[alpine thicket]

Tyrannosaurus rex has been my favorite dinosaur since I was a little girl, it's just
even if it does turn things around and get proven valid, it doesn't add much at all to the game comparatively.

[silver steeple]

We already have Tarbo so like

What would be the point

[alpine thicket]

Exactly.

Tarbo's the more popular, slightly more divergent tyrannosaur and it's already in the game.

[silver steeple]

Even if we didn't, Tarbo still adds way more

[alpine thicket]

Yep.

[quick ore]

I would rather any dev time spent on another rex alt instead go to something more worthwhile

Spinosaurus at least has the argument of not having an alt currently and there being far fewer potential spinosaurs that could be added

[proper maple]

if the question was between tarbo or mirabilis than maybe id change my answer but since we alr have it the choice is easy

[shy vale]

spinosaurus mirabilis stands out more compared to tyrannosaurus mccraeensis tbh

if i wanted a 3rd tyrannosaurus alt, i would've chosen zhuchengtyrannus (which would work with a shantungosaurus alt for edmontosaurus)

[eager thunder]

Frankly, the in game T. rex is so incredible that I’m happy with it

Genuinely one of if not the best modern Trex designs in paleo media

[river perch]

"how does this compare to the pk design" has genuinely become part of how i judge every trex media depiction i see now

[alpine thicket]

Saaaaaame here.

legitimately just like one of the best rexes.

[eager thunder]

I honestly think the design was really elevated when they added its lips, like it went from a 8/10 to a 11/10

[autumn plover]

Of the current animals in-game. Albertosaurus lived alongside Pachyrhinosaurus canadensis and Edmontosaurus regalis. I think it also lived at the same time as Pachyrhinosaurus perotorum, but further south so they didn’t interact much.

Gorgosaurus as an alt would have even more as it lived alongside Parasauralophus walkeri, Lambeosaurus, and Styracosaurus.

There’s also the fact that you could differentiate Albertosaurus, not just from T.rex, but from Gorgosaurus. As Albertosaurus could be made quite social (bonebed could speculate group behaviour) and Gorgosaurus quite solitary (tends to be found alone).

[lean hound]

mirabilis is far more unique to aegyptiacus than mcraensis is to rex afaik

[mint creek]

Nanotyrannus vs mirabilis would be a more interesting poll

[lean hound]

Would Nano work as an alt for rex? It feels wrong

[hollow flower]

That is a very impressive vote ratio

[silver steeple]

Not really

[mint creek]

Oh I wasn't thinking as an alt question, just more as a "which would you prefer"

[lean hound]

In that case Nano

mirabilis would be cool but it's not needed

[left spear]

Hard choice but REs have more potential for park making and if the 2 Both are essential but i'd say Dodo more

[cosmic cosmos]

dromornis

[sharp sable]

this is not an option

[cosmic cosmos]

it should be

[sharp sable]

well it is not

do your own poll

and add dromiornis

and it will be

an option.

[cosmic cosmos]

who stuck a stick up your ass lol

[sharp sable]

i'm just saying.

[desert flame]

Dodo and Moa are likely to be included in the recently extinct DLC after EA.

[quick ore]

yeah there's like no shot they aren't in that dlc

unless it's smaller than we expect and one of them gets cut for whatever reason

[desert flame]

One possible change from the Kickstarter content would be the removal of Stellar Sea Cow and Tarpan.

[quick ore]

and the Pouakai

[desert flame]

true

[left spear]

Tarpan got replaced by Wild horse

Which is essentially the same thing

So i doubt we get another slot

[desert flame]

Based on this, it's highly likely that the Recently Extinct DLC will contain the following:

Full Exhibit
Dodo
Moa
Thylacine
Aurochs
Bluebuck
Quagga

Vivarium
Passenger Pigeon
Great Auk?

[plush nacelle]

Horse, dodo, thylacine, moa and cow in free update

[quick ore]

there's no way they're adding the sea cow so soon

we don't have fully aquatics yet period

[shell sonnet]

Speaking of recently extinct, is there any reason to not treat Archaeoindris as one?

[quick ore]

no

[plush nacelle]

Cow as aurochs

[quick ore]

it is 100% recently extinct

as is any holocene malagasy extinction

same with Aotearoa

[quick ore]

we already know it will be a dlc

not a free update

[plush nacelle]

Based on what

Oh

I meant cow in free update

Other animals in DLC

Should write it better

[quick ore]

oh

i can see that

[plush nacelle]

Makes sense to me, because if devs really want to bring bison

And RE is going to be one of first DLCs

Then it can easily exist as free update animal to accompany release

[left spear]

I would be shocked if it's not the first

As for Sea Cow It would either be one of the free animals in an aquatic update or come in a dlc, be It expanded aquatics or a RE part 2

Honestly you could probably get away with 3 REs

[desert flame]

La Brea Tar Pits DLC may include bison.

[shell sonnet]

Those are different species though

[desert flame]

I had a misunderstanding.

[lone heart]

Oh, is a DLC confirmed soon?

[digital pendant]

nope

nothing has been confirmed regarding DLCs

[steep crane]

What if they actually found a thylacine in Tasmania alive before they plan the dlc?

[quick ore]

they wouldn't

at least not in Tasmania

and even then

it's exceedingly unlikely

[static flame]

if there are any living thylacines they're probably deep in new guinea

[left spear]

They would be guinean thylacines which iirc are a different species

And even if not It would obviously be a different subspecies which are valid to add

[wary nacelle]

Najash rionegrina for terrarium highkey

[lean hound]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-gif-11725800145853034187

[steep crane]

Subspecies more likely.

[trail ivy]

Mesohippus

[eager thunder]

Very creature shaped animals

[left spear]

Delete Dodo

[desert flame]

I hope they add prehistoric penguins like Kairuku in the future.

[shell sonnet]

Unless we get lagoons, I wouldn't expect them

[left spear]

Yeah penguins i would expect as one of the semiaquatics that would fit an aquatic dlc nicely

[shell sonnet]

Diving is just too important and they're awkward on land.

[eager thunder]

Mega Penguin my beloved

[desert flame]

Aquatic animal DLC will likely include Kairuku and Great Auk.

[shell sonnet]

Auk maybe, I would not bet on Kairuku, there's way too much competition and I doubt it makes the top 50

[desert flame]

Does the top 50 refer to aquatic animals or full exhibit?

[shell sonnet]

Aquatic animals

[desert flame]

ok

So what do you think the top 50 will be?
We can predict that the majority of the list will be marine reptiles from the Mesozoic.

[shy vale]

plus megalodon and livyatan

[shell sonnet]

I've already peeked so I know the top 20 or so; there are some surprises

[desert flame]

I'm not sure if this is correct, but I think the 20 or so species are as follows
Cameroceras
Dunkleosteus
Nothosaurus
Mosasaurus
Tylosaurus
Plesiosaurus
Elasmosaurus
Kronosaurus
Ichthyosaurus
Shonisaurus
Archeron
Dakosaurus
Metriorhynchus
Hesperornis
Leedsichthys
Xiphactinus
Megalodon
Basilosaurus
Dorudon
Liviatan
Great Auk
Steller's Sea Cow

[shell sonnet]

I can neither confirm nor deny

[desert flame]

oh ok

[buoyant zephyr]

Wdym

[shell sonnet]

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeEaCjefDpH8edx3Y-aKESFRT7rIXZPyN4dQ4YMVWwTsx1UWg/viewform?usp=header

[buoyant zephyr]

Ah

Cool

[mint creek]

If you don't rig the voting to have Amargasaurus as the top rated Sauropod I will find you

[lean hound]

I doubt he'll need to, it always wins these sorts of polls anyway

Not even in specific sauropod sections, just in general

[mint creek]

the masses sometimes have good taste

I also realised I forgot to do this poll

[eager thunder]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/prehistoric/images/e/e4/Reconstruction_of_2_Tanystropheus_sizes.png/revision/latest?cb=20241103214849

[dull prism]

Could daspletosaurus be another alt with them?

[dull prism]

Is this actually a thing still or are yall just giving us too much hope?

[dull prism]

???

[dull prism]

I’m guessing Columbian mammoths, mastodons, dire wolves and some ground sloths too?

[peak hazel]

no

[shell sonnet]

We know the Devs want to make a Recently Extinct DLC, they have said it would be one of the first, they have hinted that the Moa and Wild Horse/Quagga would come with it. We don't know if the pack is coming because it is dependent on how well the game sells.

[dull prism]

Ok, thanks

[mint creek]

ngl I struggled on non-dinosaur mesozoic, I thought I knew more but apparently not

[peak hazel]

I'm struggling on semi aquatic terrarium guys

for none dinosaur mesozoics
lots of crocodiles

[mint creek]

Yeah but I'm not too crazy on most of them

[peak hazel]

thats what I did I mean

theres a lot of cool options for semi aquatic vivariums but somehow I'm drawing a blank

[shell sonnet]

Plenty of semi-aquatic mammaliforms, amphibians, birds, smaller pseudosuchian, and more to draw from.

[heavy scarab]

If the recently extinct pack comes out I want to see the Passenger Pigeon as an arboreal vivarium animal

[dull prism]

Honestly I really hope the great auk isn’t a vivarium species, but it’s not the biggest so it’s likely that it would be

Aurochs would be interesting but I’m not sure what skins we could get besides the sexual dimorphism, although I think it’s a must have for a dlc like this

[left spear]

Do the accurate one, a reddish one like some Roman depictions then idk maybe one inspired after some catlle breed

Maybe Highland thick haired cattle

[flint sable]

I mean tbf its the most likely

its roughly the same size as simosuchus without the neck fully extended

[digital pendant]

For aurochs you can do different populations

The indian aurochs had different horns for example

[runic tiger]

Oh shit really? Never knew that, gonna have to look this up now

[flint sable]

ye

objectively best way to do aurochs/bison in an RE DLC specifically

since they arent really close enough in body shape to share animations

at least most of them

[flint sable]

bison and aurochs

[static flame]

they are, honestly

[flint sable]

I mean general bodyshape yeah

they could probably share a good half of their anims, but definitely not all of them like alts do

[dull prism]

Not really, there are a ton of physical differences

Maybe the basic rig

Tho I’d think the bison wouldn’t be part of a RE DLC since the only two(maybe three) species all died out in the early Holocene or late Pleistocene

[cosmic cosmos]

would freshwater turtles be considered for lagoon or not for this

[flint sable]

hmmmm

how large

because we do have 1 freshwater turtle already vivarium

but if it was like

hugemungeous like stupedemys

not sure

[cosmic cosmos]

stupen

[flint sable]

hmmmmm

honestly id go for just regular semiaquatic on that one

like how spino is

[cosmic cosmos]

alr

[eager thunder]

I wanna bet the last alternate species being the Columbian mammoth cause that’d be cool

[plush nacelle]

If I am not mistaken

In PZ base game bison and buffalo share same rig together alongside okapi, zebra, wildebeest and camel

If this can somehow work then I am sure bison/aurochs also could work

[dull prism]

Don’t the large theropods share rigs too? So this should work

The only issue is the shoulder hump

[cosmic cosmos]

deinocheirus and tyrannosaurus share the same rig

[dull prism]

Ok yeah then they’ll be fine sharing a rig

[shell sonnet]

Depending on the size, either the vivarium or the appropriate era category. I see the lagoon as something for non-vivarium sized animals that are truly aquatic or would be awkward on land or really need diving.

[cosmic cosmos]

it was stupendemys, i just put it in cenozoic section

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, that one is fine there

[flint sable]

rigs yeah but not nessecarily all animations, no?

[desert flame]

yes

[dull prism]

Likely

I wonder if a steppe dlc could come later, adding homotherium, cave hyenas, and one or two other species

[desert flame]

And the short-faced bear should be included in the DLC too.

[dull prism]

Can’t think of anything else besides those two that wouldn’t come as alts for other species(steppe bison, horses)

The bear would likely come as both arctodus and arctotherium, with maybe two species for both

[desert flame]

Arctotherium and Arctodus would not be alt species due to their different body shapes and sizes.

[feral cedar]

The problem is that TWO giant tremarctines without alt genera might be like... excessive?

[slim flare]

Why

We have three Centrosaurines rn

[feral cedar]

And I don't agree with that

Should've been a second chasmosaurine

[slim flare]

Still, that’s 2

Arctodus is my preference but they’re both cool

[desert flame]

Currently, we only have the cave bear, but honestly, I feel like adding just one of them would be enough.
Although, I'd like to have both.

[limber needle]

at this point put everything in vivariums, great auks are huge dude, like 70 cm (29 inches in freedom units)

this is a big ass bird if you ask me

just for comparison, its roughtly the height of all of these animals, which are all/would likely be exhibit species

[short rover]

Is that supposed to be Ramph? If so it’s undersized

And that smaller reddish theropod is too big to be a vivarium exclusive

[feral cedar]

That is a wonderful little website that unfortunately didn't get far

Also that's Dimorphodon

[plush nacelle]

Thats literally simosuchus dimensions

[short rover]

No it ain’t

Zoom in on its head

[feral cedar]

WHAT

Last I checked they didn't have rhamph

Did they *gasp* actually update the site?

OOOH they did

[limber needle]

the reddish theropod is coelophysis

they do actually have dimorpho

[limber needle]

it might just be posture idk tho

[short rover]

It’s not

[feral cedar]

ngl this site has some neat ideas but yeah their size estimates are iffy in some places

[limber needle]

i mean we have TONS of rhamph specimens so it could just be that

[feral cedar]

For example, this just feels wrong to me

[limber needle]

also their quianzhousaurus has feathers for some reason while their alioramus doesn't

[short rover]

Quite a few of which are juveniles iirc

So scaling them based off those would be flawed

[short rover]

Strange artistic choice

[feral cedar]

Oh that's cute, I didn't know Alioramus developed feathers as it grew!

[short rover]

Kill

[feral cedar]

Tarbosaurus is found in Mongolia and China

We have undescribed specimens that show Alioramus got to sizes comparable to Qianzhousaurus

And as it turns out we have Qianzhousaurus sometimes being recovered nested within the Alioramus genus

[limber needle]

tbf one lives in a hot floodplain and one lives in subtropical forest/bog

[left spear]

Besides the obvious ones what animals do you think would be best for RE?

[dull prism]

Wild statement

[dull prism]

People were saying it would be vivarium, I’d be against it

It’s too cool not to have it be a full animal

[dull prism]

We literally could have both

No good reason not to

[short rover]

Both of which are warm damp environments

[dull prism]

They aren’t too different, so they might as well add both

I’d rather Arctodus simus as the only Arctodus, and Arctotherium angustidens and then a smaller species of arctotherium

[limber needle]

feathers have many uses, emus other tropical birds use theirs like a radiator

protofeathers maybe not but idk

mammals don't lose all their fur in similar/ hotter environments, hell, look at tigers

[silver steeple]

Size literally does not matter for alts lmfao

That's literally half the point in most of the alts

[quick ore]

yeah like Juxia

[shell sonnet]

If anything, the Devs are too alt shy; then again a lot of people seem to be towards anything above species level

[slim flare]

Sure, but not as alts

[short rover]

Yes I’m aware my point is that both should be feathered lol

[alpine thicket]

I feel like you either feather both or don't, honestly.

... speaking of I definitely think Alioramus should get one scaly and two feathered probably skin-wise?

[slim flare]

Why

Its a Tyrannosaurid, scaly should take precedence

[dull prism]

Is that just because we want a lot of skins/alts for the two?

[slim flare]

That and they’re morphologically not particularly similar

[dull prism]

Ah I see

Honestly knowing how many species of arctotherium there are and how popular arctodus is, both of them coming would be fantastic

[slim flare]

Arctodus is cool because there’s different patterning options, and you can do different populations. In Alaska, they were far bigger and more carnivorous, which would be a cool alternative similar to what mammoths have.

[alpine thicket]

I mean I think it's possible Alioramins might have been more likely to be feathery given it seems easy to swap, but I mean it's not like either way is bad either.

[slim flare]

I think they are officially a distinct subspecies

[alpine thicket]

as long as it has both scaly and feathered skins.

[slim flare]

I’m not opposed to a feathery skin

[quick ore]

I hope they make megaraptorans feathered if and when one gets added

[slim flare]

There should definitely be a scaly option too

[quick ore]

perhaps, I would be more upset if there were only a scaly skin than if it were only feathered

[slim flare]

Also Arcototherium has a bunch of cool species. Obviously you need the older, giant species, then probably the small LP one and then a large/medium LP one.

[peak hazel]

2 Arctotherium and 1 Arctodus seems good

[slim flare]

No

[quick ore]

in what way is 3 different tremarctine species not enough

[slim flare]

We literally just had a conservation about this

[limber needle]

ok mb

[slim flare]

Both genera have a lot of potential for alt skins within themselves, and they’re not particularly similar in morphology

[plush nacelle]

Could you at least explain, if said morphological differences are big enough for alt system to not work?

[slim flare]

Arctotherium is more normally proportioned, while Arctodus is overall stubbier and longer legged

And again, they both really need the three alts to themselves

[plush nacelle]

And are you sure arctotherium could support alts between each other?

[slim flare]

I mean, would it even matter?

[plush nacelle]

Imo best approach is to either force arctotherium as alt to arctodus or to not have it at all, because honestly no one would care about it past arctodus

Like I personally wouldnt really care, if it was just simple addition as it looks like, but devs again stated that each species cost around 12k to make, which count even these sharing animations

So, if first short faced bear hit the game with brown, black and spectacled bear inspired skin it would be kinda waste to have another one with either same looking skins or completely different, but weird for a bear

[eager thunder]

If exhibit animals are 12k I wonder how expensive a vivarium one is

Curiosity and all

[dull prism]

There is one that is from the same formation as S.Populator in game

[dull prism]

Likely half of that or maybe less

As they have less animations, no ontogeny, less behaviors and dont interact with each other

[left spear]

Considerably less

Single skin, limited animations, limited sounds, smaller model so less texturing

Wouldn't be surprised if they were under 5k

[neat grove]

Guys I have a vivarium creature suggestion plagioscutum

[rigid spindle]

Looks a bit similar to diplo, but I'm sure it could work

[neat grove]

For a exhibit animal prionosuchus

[shell sonnet]

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeEaCjefDpH8edx3Y-aKESFRT7rIXZPyN4dQ4YMVWwTsx1UWg/viewform?usp=header

[burnt gate]

1 sec this is going to take me awhile

[shell sonnet]

You can also do some of it now and do the rest later

[burnt gate]

no

[burnt gate]

would Purussaurus count as a lagoon animal

[shell sonnet]

No

It's semi-aquatic and wouldn't need diving

Cenozoic is the right spot

(Pretty much all crocs aren't lagoon based besides the sea crocs)

[burnt gate]

@shell sonnet can I include my glorious Repenomamus giganticus

because i like him

[shell sonnet]

In what category?

[burnt gate]

in the mesozoic non-dinosaurs

[burnt gate]

He's big enough (bigger then velicoraptor and psittacosaurus)

[shell sonnet]

It's really not. It's a vivarium animal.

[burnt gate]

b-b-but its the size of psittacosaurus

ok

lemme remove it rq

[shell sonnet]

Mammals tend to be more dense than reptiles because they don't have long tails.

[burnt gate]

tru

but i still wish it to be a regular animal because it lwk be cool to see it hunt psittacosaurus

[shell sonnet]

Notice how much smaller Repanmo is compared to this Taco. Now imagine how small the babies will be.

[burnt gate]

tru

[flint sable]

thats with the neck extended, though

since most estimates take that and then apply it to a rested neck animal

[burnt gate]

@shell sonnet why is there so many questions

ive been working on this for HOURS

I feel like sisyphus

[shell sonnet]

I want to be through.

[burnt gate]

i finished it

[left spear]

Who could have guessed

[left spear]

LUCA DLC 🔥 🔥 🔥

Nah but tbh i would expect these more as a brush than anything else

Same with coral, sponges, anemo and such animals

[vital grove]

2 of these have evidence of locomotion and the rest could definitily be given stationary movement animations, and possibly some simple locomotion like sea annemones. its supposed to be a small pack they can easily produce and sell for a couple of euros to fund developement

[short rover]

Finally done

[chrome wigeon]

That would just be a regular free roam animal like Deinosuchus would be

[dull prism]

Steppe brown bear

New skin for cave bear but it’s bigger, all brown, eats only meat

[short rover]

It being a skin for the cave bear makes no sense

[slim flare]

Tbh, why?

[torpid grove]

Only valid reason would cave bear already being in

Otherwise there's no reason it couldn't have been

[short rover]

Because it’s a subspecies of brown bear and not a subspecies of cave bear

[torpid grove]

I mean it's still within the same genus

By that logic we shouldn't have an american lion alt

It's just one of those things where ultimately, it's a whatever thing to add

Doesn't add or take anything away

[silver steeple]

I mean I don't think that's a particularly solid argument, P. atrox is a direct descendant of P. spelaea

They're far closer to each other than either are to leo or any other species within Panthera

[cosmic cosmos]

The vast majority of Rhamphorhynchus specimens are juvenile

And those that represent adults are quite fragmentary, especially in comparison to the amazing preservation of some of the younger specimens

[dull prism]

Both are Ursus

Also it should have a max weight I’ve 1000kg from nursery

And combat wise be able to kill a T. rex

[slim flare]

Because of its long-lasting energy

[plush nacelle]

Prehistoric Kingdom 2028

[slim flare]

I had this!

[limber needle]

Still doesn't make that much of a difference, you wouldn't put a Humboldt penguin in a viv like PK's, would you?

+the fact that great auks probably lived in big colonies on beaches and low rocks (like modern auks)

[plush nacelle]

I would

Like whats the point of vivariums

[limber needle]

I feel like a regular enclosure just makes so much more sense tho, especially to recreate their actual environment

[plush nacelle]

If it was PZ only titanoboa would be probably vivarium species, but this is not PZ

But PK and in PK size is main factor why animal is put in box

[limber needle]

It's not like babies or weird movement is an issue tho

[plush nacelle]

Anything smaller than mononykus is going straight up into said box

[limber needle]

I just feel like it's that bit too big for the box

[plush nacelle]

This box is big enough to keep 2 camels in it

By minimum standards

[limber needle]

The large box can house 6 mononykus, you'd need to house 20-30 auks

[plush nacelle]

I think you greatly overestimate size of this animal

Going by taxidermy specimens both of us could easily fit one in our hands

[peak hazel]

I'm sure I had this book

[mint creek]

Great auk looks more comparable to Psittaco than Mono imo. Better for exhibit.

[torpid grove]

It could function in a vivarium technically speaking, but I feel exhibit is just better for it

[torpid grove]

also idk how small you think it is but it is not nearly that small

unless you mean literally just lifting it

[flint sable]

Yes I would in the games current state

I could probably hold one in one hand but not well yeah

Honestly shame it went extinct before photography was popularized especially for wildlife

[vital grove]

its 75cm tall and its enclosure would have snow and rocks they are big enough to be an exhibit animal and its probably best since these would be quite active in the water and people would want large colonies of them

[shell sonnet]

My take on Pinguinus impennis is that it should either come when we get full aquatics or it comes as a vivarium animal. I want to see it dive and swim under water; without that it's just not that interesting.

[flint sable]

I mean you can put multiple of the vivs right next to eachother

and blend them in so they give the apperance of being 1 big colony

also just a vague comparison, this is teh only pic I could find of a taxidermy next to a human

[vital grove]

on wikipedia this seems like the same specimen in the back and its refered to as possibly being the youngest of all specimens under the picture itself

[desert flame]

There is a lot of information on recently extinct animals, so I'm looking forward to seeing a near-perfect design.

[dull prism]

It needs to be exhibit

Honestly I can’t think of a recently extinct species to put in the vivarium besides maybe tortoises

The auk is too cool not to be exhibit

We’ll see if we get a crocodilian or crocodilimorph for update 18, and see how that goes

Or another semi aquatic that can dive

[proper raven]

I assume the former 2 is sarcasm

[dull prism]

Well definitely the last one

But 1000kg seems to be the upper limit of steppe brown bears

Genuine monsters

[proper raven]

Ehhh

Personally dont think it should be an alt for cave bear but its whatever

[dull prism]

Fair enough

Arctodus and Arctotherium are just fine

[vital grove]

they could easily reuse the model for arctotherium but i think arctodus has very different proportions from most other bears with its high stance

[dull prism]

Yeah that’s what we were talking about yesterday

[vital grove]

some extinct flying birds like moho nobilis, or mauritius blue pigeon and the giant gecko gigarcanum delcourti are some examples of recently extinct vivarium animals that would be interesting to see

gigarcanum was a meter long gecko perfect for the vivariums if you ask me. also it had both claws and suction cups. or whatever you call the suction mechanism of geckos. and we know the colours

[plush nacelle]

All birds

I think there is more than hundred of them

[dull prism]

I somehow forgot about arboreal

Let me rephrase

I can’t see any terrestrial vivarium species worth adding that are recently extinct

Birds that’s a different story

[shell sonnet]

Southern Pig-footed Bandicoot

[left spear]

Round Island Burrowing Boa

[slim flare]

Why not Northern smh

[left spear]

Tenerife giant Rat aswell

[slim flare]

Sea mink

[vital grove]

maybe small tortoises but anything rivaling modern giant tortoises or bigger should be exhibit

[slim flare]

Would love some exhibit tortoises

[limber needle]

Talpanas for amphi viv

[vital grove]

islands dlc idea

Europe dlc idea

[peak hazel]

idk if smok is a good idea

[vital grove]

its mostly complete so as long as they keep it in between a dino and a other archosaur like a fair few depections do its good to go

[left spear]

Sylvi and Meio without Meko is a bit of a crime

Otherwise great list

I'd replace wrangle mammoth with It since we literally have those in Game already

[vital grove]

because meko is very fragmentary and seems like it might get changed in the near future i definetely considered it

[left spear]

The small mammoth skin

[vital grove]

they had translucent fur so its not just about the size

also for 10 species wrangel mammoth is easy to add

since this is not a huge company i figured id take that into account

[left spear]

Its not good but tbh we have more fragmentary animal in-game

Argent and Leally chiefly

[vital grove]

id love to see it in the game but from information available i think most mechosuchids might be up for a change in the near future its the only reason i didnt include it

[left spear]

Pretty valid reason

[vital grove]

i also made a list for an australia dlc but didnt include quinkana for this reason

[left spear]

Quinkana is also kidna mid

Way less terrestrial than people make It out to be

And the big size comes from a single tooth

[vital grove]

and these reasons is why i didnt include mekosuchus itself aswell, they definetely look cool enough regardless of size their skulls are differen from modern crocodilians. but its known there are more undescribed specimens so i didnt want to touch a family that will likely be changed within the next decade

[slim flare]

We don’t really know that

[left spear]

Isn't from what we can tell just a crocodile

[slim flare]

No

[left spear]

Idk this feels like It would be a slightly more terrestrial cuban croc

[dull prism]

Wrangle island mammoths are the glacial skin in game.

[slim flare]

You do realize that includes no Quinkana limb bones, right?

Because we have no reliable post-crania period

[vital grove]

not really they had translucent fur and were very small by elephant standards

[dull prism]

Eh they’re close enough

Maybe it’s just adding a new skin to the mammoth

[vital grove]

first has a accurate colour second should be roughly accurate size

and yes it would just be a re use of the mammoth model but since its a small company working on the game i thought id give the list atleast 1 easy copy since it has 10 in total

[eager thunder]

Discokeryx hours https://preview.redd.it/how-big-was-discokeryx-v0-hkp1ouohqc8a1.png?width=837&format=png&auto=webp&s=82326652f224c6dadfb5c6ca79cc923f35c67a8c

[plush nacelle]

I suppose red material is meant to represent that bone, which indicate at least one mekosuchine in Australia would have more upright stance

[eager thunder]

I do like quinkanana

[vital grove]

i want it to be added but its probably the first one in the family to receive an ''update''

[eager thunder]

What’s an “update”

[vital grove]

we described more specimens and now know more about the species

[eager thunder]

I did hear it shrank or something

[vital grove]

that and i keep finding stuff mentioning undescribed australian mekosuchids which would probably be quinkana specimens

[eager thunder]

I just think galloping crocs are a cool idea on its own

Very cool animal for the game

[vital grove]

if you want that you can look at other archosaur groups even post cretaceous

[eager thunder]

Frankly any Cenozoic representation is up my alley

I’ll take whatever the devs give in terms of Cenozoic era stuff

[vital grove]

sebecids are pretty much what you want

[eager thunder]

This sever is so fun cause I learn so many new words all the time

[vital grove]

its also annoying because someone will say we dont know if x animal had x colour so its not realistic enough, like with smok its a mostly complete fossil and all they would need to do is keep its classifcation ambiguous which wouldnt be that weird since early dinosaurs would probably have more standard archosaur features than later theropods

[eager thunder]

That’s mostly science chat stuff

I don’t ever expect to fully comprehend that

[vital grove]

everyone here either wants it to preserve 100% of the fossil be bigger than a damn cow or its a vivarium species. or dinosaur cool even though 3 bones we need 1 more fragmentary sauropod because name cool

[eager thunder]

Based on what I think this is saying

I don’t personally mind animals that have fragmentary stuff in game, heck what of argentinasaurus do we actually have

Or the Carch or something

[vital grove]

i think it should be about defining features more. smok as an example again has a 60-70% complete skeleton but its not certain if its a dinosaur or other archosaur so its not possible even though we have everything we need to make a mostly accurate model except for the scales i guess

regardless of where it belongs its bones wont just change

[eager thunder]

Isn’t there a debate or something about wether or not Herrarasaurus is a dinosaur or predates them or not?

[vital grove]

there is and yet i dont think anyone here would argue it being in the game while smok is in the exact same position just probably even more basal

when i look at smok i usually just think it might be one of the earlies split offs which could explain why it has features of both groups

[eager thunder]

I’d like them tbh

A snapshot of the current understanding

Tho other Triassic weirdos would be more fun

[vital grove]

100% the game has enough dinos. it needs a stegosaur and pachycephalosaur and thats it for dinos it desperately needs more of anything else

i made an exception for smok because its so basal and weird

[eager thunder]

That and Utahs + Carnos and I’ll be satisfied

Also I was more thinking Triassic non dinosaurs since dinosaurs didn’t really get super interesting till later

I’d say Triassic animals were more weird

More varied

[vital grove]

this and i wouldnt mind some weirdos like therizinosaurus, udanoceratops, eoraptor or chilesaurus but we dont need torosaurus or x sauropod named from 2 leg bones and 4 ribs

[eager thunder]

Like this thing

[eager thunder]

Theri sure but otherwise I don’t think we need more EA Dino’s

Maybe another ankylosaur actually

I can’t help it dinosaurs where here for a while

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/prehistoric/images/e/e4/Reconstruction_of_2_Tanystropheus_sizes.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/985?cb=20241103214849 oh and these freaking things

[vital grove]

shringasaurus, erythrosuchus, anteosaurus, any large cynodont, dimetrodon, arizonasaurus, poposaurus there are so many cool things before dinosaurs

[vital grove]

stegouros or spicomellus would be perfect since they are unique

im not against new dinosaurs but id rather see nigersaurus before another titanosaur because its unique

[eager thunder]

Zuul

I like Zuul

“He who crushes your shins” my boy

[vital grove]

i dont mind it but it could use ankylosaurus model with changes and it would be fine

stegouros has a aztec club on its tail and spicomellus is a ankylosaur porcupine those are very unique compared to other dinosaurs

[eager thunder]

There are plenty of dinosaurs I wouldn’t mind in vivariums either

[vital grove]

its why i mentioned udanoceratops as well a huge, frill and hornless ceratopsian

[eager thunder]

Or just as weirdo choices

[eager thunder]

This one was found last month right?

[vital grove]

no it was described in 1992

[eager thunder]

Oh wait no I’m thinking about the European ceratopsian thing

I think