Community Species Suggestions

[astral timber]

idk lol

but it is

for me

[quick ore]

that's not a reason

[coarse inlet]

The only thing I can think of that sets it apart is size but that’s barely a thing and will be entirely obsolete once the Kenyan species is described

[quick ore]

It sounds like you don't like Pycnonemosaurus: the taxa. You only like how it is represented in Path of Titans and that other piece of paleoart

[astral timber]

no?

[quick ore]

then explain what you like about it

[open heron]

Do we know how complete the kenyan abelosaur is roughly?

[astral timber]

why can't i like Pycno in peace

[coarse inlet]

It’s got a decent skull

That’s all we know

[quick ore]

No one is saying you can't like Pycno

but you're advocating for it being in PK

and we're just asking why it would be worthwhile to add besides you having favoritism for it for seemingly zero discernible reason

good paleoart doesn't mean much if the actual taxa is just this

[astral timber]

ok

[hollow flower]

Majunga would be better id say

[astral timber]

i forgot Majunga existed

i agree with u

[astral timber]

i would like to see Borealopelta too

it's my fav dinosaur

[left spear]

it would be a great alt

[toxic oriole]

Tbf, Nodosaurus doesnt have the best material

If anything, it'd be the other way around

[quick ore]

There's better nodosaurs than Nodosaurus itself

[toxic oriole]

And Borealopeltas basically a headline since its basically the nodosaurid ankylosaur preserved perfectly, minus the backside given what had happened during excavation

So I don't see a point in having Borealopelta being an alt for another nodosaurid

[quick ore]

there's many nodosaurids with more of their skeletons preserved and with better name recognition

like Gastonia

[toxic oriole]

And yet Borealopelta isnt skeleton from what is seen

Mummy really

Backside may have been destroyed, but we've already got a good idea on what it looked like anyways

Museum could've decided to make a cast of the backside, but they chose not to and we got the wiring that marks it

cables? wiring?

Steel rods? What did they use for that part anyway?

Okay maybe something metal

Though now that I think about it, given that Borealopelta has preserved colors on its fossil, alongside Microraptor...

It does seem possible that Borealopelta could just have one skin which marks off its preserved colors

and then the genetic mutation skins (Albino, Leucistic, Melanistic)

[open heron]

TBH the only scenario I can see where it gets just one skin is if it gets an alt genus.

[flint sable]

indeed

its really really unique in that reguard

its essentially the only dinosaur where it isnt a flat slab that you could essentially call mummified; with the exception of the edmontosaurus mummies

[frosty torrent]

Tartuosteus, Syndyoceras and Moropus

[fiery crow]

pyncodonts like Gebrayelichthys would be excellent one-stars

[cosmic cosmos]

Umoonasaurus is another good smaller marine reptile

[limber needle]

Yaaaay anteosaurus mentioned, with the amount of times people are mentioning this guy the Devs would surely get the idea

[smoky spear]

its the correct time to nominate this guy

[feral cedar]

Is it though

We don’t know how large the adults were

It hasn’t even been 24 hours since this dude was published, we need to give it time

[desert flame]

For small aquatic animals, what about small whales like Cetotherium?

[fiery crow]

Cetotherium wasn’t small

you’re probably thinking of Piscobalaena

[peak hazel]

yeah lets get the small whale Basilosaurus

[lean hound]

I'm sorry but in what world is this this thing small

[peak hazel]

its pretty small for a whale

but thats still a very big animal

[fiery crow]

like I said. Piscobalaena is a much better “small whale”

[left spear]

I think it's very obvious they meant C. riabinni

The black sea population

[desert flame]

I thought that a size of about 4m was relatively small.
t's not suitable for a vivarium, but it's on the small side for a regular exhibit.

[left spear]

Also that

By proportions it's smaller than Dilophosaurus

It's a small and pretty harmless aquatic

Literally perfect as a 1 star starting aquatic

[desert flame]

yes
I chose Cetotherium as a small, non-threatening aquatic animal.

[plush nacelle]

Not sure, if it would be 1 star

Stuff like coelo is 1.5

[desert flame]

1 star aquatic animals may be centered around medium-sized fish.

[fiery crow]

Gebrayelichthys or Hensodon?

[desert flame]

They are small enough to be used in vivarium aquariums.

[fiery crow]

that’s what I meant

[neat grove]

how about kayentasuchus as a vivarium species

[desert flame]

Probably,vivarium

[eager thunder]

Really how do we know that much with only like 2 bones

[neat grove]

i mean titanoboa is giant and its a vivarium species

[neat grove]

we only knew spinosaurus from a set of bones that got bombed for decades

[desert flame]

Titanoboa is a vivarium animal because it requires special animations.

[coarse inlet]

What

That’s like saying Europasaurus wasn’t small

It’s relative

[feral cedar]

Europasaurus is large by modern animal standards but yeah when someone suggests a "small x" 99% of the time it's relative to the rest of their group

[left spear]

Mercury is a small planet

[lean hound]

Titanoboa is a snake

snakes don't move much and are fine in smaller enclosures

[feral cedar]

So many PK fans fundamentally misunderstand the purposes of the vivarium system

An animal is tossed into a vivarium if it has unique locomotion requirements, would be too challenging to make work in the full exhibit free roam style, or is so small that the ontogeny system would produce comically small babies

[neat grove]

ok i get it snakes dont need big encloseures i knew that idk why i typed that and snet it but ive seen crocodiles in vivariums before there pretty big

ok hiw about kayentachelys as a vivarium species

[silver steeple]

Ftr, it looked nothing like this

Most of the spikes would have been basically unperceivable, the longest and lowest density were like 4.5cm long (not even 2 inches), the smallest and most dense were like 1/3rd the length of a human eyelash

[autumn plank]

meet haolong the first iguanodon to have feather but their not feather & its only a juvenile about the size of a pony

[toxic oriole]

Way too early for that

not to mention its a juvie fossil, so uhhh...

no way of knowing what the adult size would be like

[coarse inlet]

We already have multiple species in game not known from adult material

Compsognathus, Brachiosaurus, Dryosaurus

[toxic oriole]

Brachiosaurus of all things?

[coarse inlet]

Yeah it’s only definitively known from a subadult

[quick ore]

more like "Brachiosaurus"

since it's really Giraffatitan

[coarse inlet]

Isn’t this one based on the Morrison brachiosaur remains?

[slim flare]

No?

[quick ore]

oh I thought that's what was said before

my b

[flint sable]

nah the one ingame is actually based on brachiosaurus unlike almost every other depiction

same with oviraptor; most of the time depicted as citipatilike but PK actually did it justice

[quick ore]

oh my b

[burnt gate]

I LOVE ALBERTOSAURUS

[neat grove]

Here's a cool species that I think would be nice to see in the game crocodylus checchiai

[cloud nymph]

Question: how small is the smallest sauropod in the roster? I understand that seven species of sauropods representing genuses 5 genuses is enough, but I don’t mind one more species if it is smaller than the other sauropods.

In fact me want it

[plush nacelle]

One of the camaras

[flint sable]

iirc its the smallest camara species

[plush nacelle]

I think lentus?

[slim flare]

^

[flint sable]

but not by like a signifigant margin or anything

still huge and I wouldnt really count it as a small sauropod

[slim flare]

Amargasaurus WHEN

[lean hound]

The plural of genus is genera by the way

[cloud nymph]

Czechsactly

[cloud nymph]

Thank you, I owe you my life

[neon blade]

Gigantopithecus, Mesopithecus, Dinopithecus, Archicebus, Babakotia, and Babakotia.

[quick ore]

that isn't what those pictures are of

one of those is Palaeopropithecus and another is of Megaladapis

[glass snow]

grandis actually

[quick tartan]

I didn't know he was in Heated Rivalry, but is canadian so make ssense /silly

[autumn plover]

We’re going to get another 50 “pls add Haolong” posts over the next couple weeks aren’t we.

[quick ore]

yup

[steep carbon]

Well i understand the enthusiasm, its new, very complete, and interesting

[burnt gate]

wait why

[feral cedar]

Three things in life are certain

Death, taxes, and a flood of people requesting to add a freshly-described animal

[shy vale]

because spiky integument on an ornithischian from the yixian formation

[burnt gate]

was it even on haolong?

[shy vale]

that's the whole big news regarding it

[coarse inlet]

yes that's why it's getting attention

[burnt gate]

oh

[shy vale]

depends on whether there's something "interesting"

i haven't heard as much for say, yeneen (so far)

[vast berry]

This giant lemur, Archaeoindris, would be great to see

[nova glacier]

i think some medium carnivors can be good things like some big raptors like utharaptor dienonychus . and other medium carnivors like concavanator and herrerasaurus and some herbivorase theorapods like therizinosaurs and dounychus

[vast berry]

https://tenor.com/view/crassigyrinus-prehistoric-park-nigel-marvin-swamp-tadpole-gif-8758924053749955498

The reason to include Crassigryinus in the game

Mosasaurs I'd like to see:

• Mosasaurus hoffmani
• Tylosaurus
• Platecarpus
• Jormungandr
• Romeosaurus
• Globidens
• Halisaurus
• Komensaurus
• Clidastes
• Judeasaurus
• Dallasaurus

[lean hound]

Utahraptor is already confirmed

[desert flame]

Herrerasaurus would be a good choice, increasing the diversity of Triassic animals.

[autumn plover]

medium/small theropods are lacking

Utahraptor we know is confirmed, i'd also love to See Guanlong, Herrerasaurus, Troodon/Troodontid, Australovenator, and Austroraptor.

[buoyant zephyr]

Allosaurus and Baryonyx will save us

Maybe Carnotaurus too

[desert flame]

Halszkaraptor as a Vivarium Animal.

[peak hazel]

why specify M. hoffmani but none of the 6(?) Tylosaur species

Or this horrible guy

[desert flame]

If mosasaurs are added, I think there will be around two or three species.

I think there are probably fewer aquatic animals added compared to regular exhibit animals, so I would like to see a variety of aquatic animals.

[peak hazel]

I think Mosasaurus, Tylosaurus and Platycarepus are a good set

[desert flame]

Personally, I'd like to have a Megapterygius as well.

[peak hazel]

definitely

but not for a starting set

[desert flame]

yes
I think the first aquatic animal pack should prioritize the most well-known and popular species. It might be better to add less common aquatic animals after that.

[peak hazel]

I think
Mosasaurus, Tylosaurus, Plesiosaurus, Elasmosaurus, Ichthyosaurus, Shonisaurus, Liopluerodon, Metriorhynchus

but maybe thats not enough

actually forgetting about sharks and whales there

[desert flame]

Archelon may be included...

[peak hazel]

oh yeah I'm being way too forgetful

[desert flame]

But I think this is a pretty ideal list of aquatic animals to start with.

[peak hazel]

theres so many aquatic guys I'd like to see

but the starting list would be way smaller then that

[autumn plover]

None of those 3 are medium/small. but we do need more 1-3 tonne theropods. Personally I am sick of carnivorous megatherapods.

Things like Albertosaurus, Yutyrannus, Ceratosaurus would also suit well

[buoyant zephyr]

1-3 tonne is no medium for you?

[autumn plover]

No

Medium is skewed when you compare anything to a megatherapod

[buoyant zephyr]

Aight

[outer crater]

@clear loom You should post dino suggestions in this channel

[peak hazel]

if I see jwe3 database screenshots in here this time I still won't be happy

[outer crater]

well at least it would be in the right channel

[feral cedar]

Popping up to very quickly request all of these (minus Leaellynasaura lol) for the game

(image taken from the JWE subreddit)
(they’re not boring)

[lean hound]

hell yeah

[outer moth]

I love all of these scrunklies

[rigid spindle]

Someone doesn't seem to understand peak

[hallow mango]

Hopefully after game release we get aquatic creatures, these 2 id love to see ingame

[buoyant zephyr]

What are they 🙃

[slim flare]

Fish

[neat grove]

Idk maybe enchodus or something

[short rover]

Definitely not

[cosmic cosmos]

Stethacanthus and Rhizodus?

[mint creek]

I have become quite a fan of Chasmosaurus in recent days. If we were to get another ceratopsian I think it would have my vote. Cute little guy, good remains and would fill out the dino park formation.

[river perch]

you know i don't disagree

its a charismatic fellow

and more than anything i'd like to see what kind of designs they come up with on one of those tall rectangular frills

[left spear]

Ceratopsian or Ceratopsid

[mint creek]

I'm not knowledgable enough to know the difference

[silver steeple]

Ceratopsids are the large ones that are almost entirely exclusive to north america (except sinoceratops)

Ceratopsians are basically everything else, though also includes ceratopsids but most people here will be excluding them

[mint creek]

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-my-beloved-gif-22029076

[left spear]

Ceratopsians includes stuff like Proto, Psittaco, Udanoceratops, Koreaceratops etc

Essentially the small more basal guys

But when It comes to ceratopsids i do agree that Chasmo would be quite great

[mint creek]

Thank for the explanations

Udanoceratops would be my pick for non-ceratopsid ceratopsian I think

[neat grove]

I would go microceratus

[eager thunder]

I don’t really think boring dinosaurs exist

[feral cedar]

Every ceratopsid is a ceratopsian, but not every ceratopsian is a ceratopsid

The Ceratopsidae refers to the large fellas with the horns, essentially

Wait you already got an explanation

[shy vale]

if herrasaurus gets in, it should have a staurikosaurus alt

[vivid field]

probably Rhizodus

[vivid field]

just like not all dinosaurs are birds but all birds are dinosaurs

[feral cedar]

strictly speaking as someone who lowkey does want Staurikosaurus, is there any reason to include it other than easy alt

[shy vale]

brazilian representation (especially as it was the 1st dinosaur directly from brazil to be formally described)

santa maria is similar to ischigualasto but slightly older iirc and less well-known

[desert flame]

I'm not sure if it's a good idea to use it as an alt in terms of size.
It might be possible, like with Paraceratherium and Juxia, but.

[proper maple]

a semiaquatic eretmorhipis would be pretty good for the vivariums

it being semiaquatic would obviously be a bit speculative but

[alpine thicket]

dimetroichthys for pk

[shy vale]

maybe switch with gnathovorax?

[coarse inlet]

*based af dinosaur pack

[coarse inlet]

Gnathovorax might be better

[grand thunder]

Me when I buy a fish from the market and find out it has more bones than meat:

[nova glacier]

really medium theorapods will be good becaus they will be about human size becaus right now the only carnivors that are human sized i am preatty sure are some of the big cats and the dilo

[mint creek]

My totally original and never been said before suggestion for medium theropod is Yutyrannus

[left spear]

Moa

[desert flame]

Previously planned medium-sized carnivores such as Hyaenodon and Guanlong may be added in the future.

[vital grove]

dinocrocuta gigantea

[desert flame]

I would be happy if there were more diverse species of carnivorous mammals.

For example, the Direwolf and Tylacoleo

[vital grove]

pretty sure those will be added at some point they are to iconic

predatory mammals you say: ekaltadeta

Patriofelis ferox

[desert flame]

The addition of carnivorous kangaroos would be great...

[vital grove]

especially since this is its closest relative it will look like a gremlin, it would be quite realistic if they gave it a rat like tail

[desert flame]

If there are any closely related species still around today, it would be nice to have a skin based on that animal.

[vital grove]

yes, its the last one in the family

[eager thunder]

Enhydriodon

[desert flame]

It would be awesome if we could actually see a juvenile Enhydriodon like in Prehistoric Planet.

[blazing cargo]

Ichthyovenator, my favourite dinosaur, and maybe also Maip.

[eager thunder]

Frankly with what we know is almost definitely coming [Stego Allo Pachy Barry Utah and Carno] I think we are covered dinosaur wise

I just want a bunch of Cenozoic fellas

[robust zinc]

It would be fun, lowkey, for there to be mods for species, like having indominus rex in PK as a mod

but as an actual creature, miragaia, allosaurus (anax/fragilis), yutyrannus and maip

[lean hound]

allosaurus is coming in the next update with 4 alts; fragilis, europaeus, jimmadseni, and anax/Saurophagonax (we don't know what it'll be called)

[robust zinc]

yippee

[lean hound]

Fragilis and Jimmy's concepts have already been made public

Fragilis is the brown one, jim is the green one

[vital grove]

Cervalces latifrons the giant moose

[eager thunder]

Large feller

[vital grove]

cervalces scotti is smaller as big as a modern moose but would make for a very unique looking alt to latifrons

[civic terrace]

I hope we get more designs that are a little less conventional and more speculative.

[eager thunder]

Honestly we need more small animals

Not everybody gotta be bigger than anything currently alive

[vital grove]

i suggested plenty of those to

[eager thunder]

I’m more so concerned that at least in EA we won’t get too many of them

[slim flare]

Smallest exhibit mammal in the game is a steppe lion 😭

[flint sable]

IKR

the category in my opinion we need more from ASAP is small mammals

larger than peltephilus but smaller than a literal lion

like small hoofstock

[slim flare]

Or even a dire wolf or steppe hyena

[flint sable]

yeah literaelly anything in that size range

and its probable we might not see something in that size range untill the RE DLC

all the hypothesized mammals would be quite a bit bigger

[plush nacelle]

Even ambulocetus, which is crazy to me

[slim flare]

I can’t believe the original post-EA list had no dire wolf

[plush nacelle]

You could notice original post EA list had mostly stuff, which could either reuse rig or were part of original 50

[eager thunder]

I mean the tacos are smaller

I think there’s a few smaller animals actually

[slim flare]

Are they mammals?

[eager thunder]

Oh you mean mammals

Specifically

[slim flare]

I said mammals

[eager thunder]

So you did

[vital grove]

chilesaurus

[vital grove]

cyamodus nice semiaquatic vivarium animal

Placodus probably big enough to be an exhibit animal

[dusky obsidian]

moganopterus

[alpine thicket]

Fragilis and Jimmy is my favorite buddy comedy.

[neat grove]

How about proterosuchus

[outer crater]

This is why we need Nurulagus

[flint sable]

still hillarious one of the largest, if not the largest elephants ever, possibly land mammal ever, and the smallest elephant are in the same genus

[vital grove]

i hope they add both lol

[hollow flower]

While doing some research I realized how truly weird Choristoderes are

So I suggest Champsosaurus as the bizarre meteor surviving lizard croc

[left spear]

Uncomfortable size range for that typr of animal tbh

Idk if viv or exhibit

[flint sable]

honestly either but exhibit

largest species got to be approximately 12 feet

[quick ore]

why not Kosmodraco instead

[hollow flower]

I was about to say Simoedosaurus but doing some research I found out Kosmodracos more or less the same but better

Champsosaurus has the added benefit of having lived together with the dinosaurs

[coarse inlet]

Kosmodraco is really cool but Champsosaurus is definitely the most iconic choristodire

that and Hyphalosaurus

[eager thunder]

I wonder if this would fit a large vivarium, or if it needed to move around more

[burnt gate]

Albertosaurus

[eager thunder]

Doubt we’ll get that in EA, we have a few tyrannosaurs

[lean hound]

I mean, we only have tarbo and rex.. but I don’t think anymore tyrannosaurs in ea is necessary

[eager thunder]

Yeah those 2

[left spear]

DEAD WRONG

YUTY RAHHHH

[lean hound]

😭

[left spear]

also maybe gaunglong

[burnt gate]

Hater smh

We WILL get Albertosaurus in EA

I’ll wish it into existence

[burnt shore]

What about daspletosaurus or gorgosaurus?

[ancient ibex]

Gorgo is a no-brainer Alberto alt

Suggesting Daspleto as an alt for Albertosaurs on the other hand... eeesh

[burnt gate]

pretty good

but albertas better

[eager thunder]

Oh damn i forgot Guanlong

I’d love a Guanlong

[shy vale]

daspletosaurus would work better as like another alt for tyrannosaurus/tarbosaurus

[shy vale]

add proceratosaurus alt too

[desert flame]

Most of the small animals will probably become vivarium animals, but I'd like to see some small animals in the regular exhibits as well. For example, Merychippus, Mericoidodon, and Minmi.

[eager thunder]

Ah yes my favorite small mammal, minmi

But I do agree with having more small exhibit mammals, seeing cave lions be classified as “small” seems wrong

[desert flame]

I thought small animals included dinosaurs.
However, I agree that we should have more small mammals.

[eager thunder]

. . . I could’ve sworn

Alright my ass just misread that

[feral cedar]

Merychippus could be the smallest possible size for a full exhibit horse, right?

Eohippus is definitely vivarium-sized, but maybe Mesohippus is large enough

[eager thunder]

I wonder if any other animals would fit as single animal large vivariums outside titanboa and probably the Carboniferous bugs

[desert flame]

yes
I think Mesohippus is certainly suitable for full exhibit.

[feral cedar]

I feel dumb but for the longest time Mesohippus' size is how big I thought Eohippus was

[eager thunder]

Is that a horse?

[desert flame]

Primitive horse

[flint sable]

perhaps

[feral cedar]

It's an equid so yeah I figure it's horse enough

[eager thunder]

Would dodos be put in the box [viv]

[wary nacelle]

Nooo

Arguably dodos would need more room to move around

[tulip umbra]

No

[eager thunder]

I might’ve overestimated the power of the box

[quick ore]

Minmi is a nothing taxa

Kunbarrasaurus is better

and more than large enough to be an exhibit species

[tulip umbra]

Stegouros 👆

[silver steeple]

Very possible

They're one of those animals on the fringe

[quick ore]

vivarium dodos would ruin my day

[silver steeple]

It definitely wouldn't be ideal

But if that's how its gotta be then that's how its gotta be

[vast berry]

For the vivariums; wear steel-capped boots so it doesn't bite off your toes

[silver steeple]

For the record, don't trust these prehistoric wildlife scale images

They're extremely unreliable

[desert flame]

If there's a possibility, it's Wonambi or Repenomamus, but I can't think of many terrestrial ones. On the other hand, I can think of many amphibious and arboreal animals.

[fiery crow]

you could probably fit a few Repeno in a vivie

[fiery crow]

Axestemys and Gnatusuchus maybe?

[slender tangle]

Smaller than even the psittacosaurus?

Oh

[eager thunder]

Yeah I misread too

[outer crater]

Dodo is quite big actually

should be full enclosure

[river perch]

Dodo should be full enclosure because no baby design for it would be genuinely tragic

[ancient ibex]

Neoavian chicks tend to be ugly

Dodos are also neotenic, so, yeah, squab it is

Baby Kelenken be like

[eager thunder]

my beloved ugly babies

[vivid field]

albertosaurus, yutyrannus, nanotyrannus, and guanlong trust

listen up general public tyrannosaurs aren’t exclusive to just t. rex!!! other tyrannosaurs exist!

[vivid field]

STEGOUROIS

i’m manifesting we get dacentrurus with a mira alt

[left spear]

I hope phorusracids lay a single egg per clutch

They really feel like ultra K

[coarse inlet]

Should be the other way around

Since Miragaia is more complete and popular

[ancient ibex]

Dacentrurines should cover Lourinha and Morrison via alts

[coarse inlet]

That too yeah Alcovasaurus would be good

[shy vale]

alcovasaurus, dacentrurus, miragaia

like the 2 species of parasaurolophus and charonosaurus

[feral cedar]

Personally I think Miragaia should get two skins, one with bristles and one without, and the third one should be an alt genus like Alcovasaurus

[vital grove]

sylviornis

Dromornis, a contender for largest bird ever

[eager thunder]

I like its useless little flippers

[shy vale]

this may actually be one of the closest relatives to gastornis

[civic terrace]

Yeah, this fella better be exhibit or I riot.

[civic terrace]

Dodo isn’t much smaller than Velociraptor though, right?

[river perch]

seems about so

and a key thing to me is that it isn't a particularly streamlined animal, anatomically

its got quite the prominent silhouette (though im aware it isn't quite as chunky as usually depicted)

so i dont think there'd be much visibility issues with it even as far as scaling goes

[civic terrace]

True. I mean, Leaellynasaura is even smaller and it isn't a Viv animal. So I think we can safely say, if it's bigger than Leaellynasaura, it's big enough to be an exhibit animal.

[river perch]

indeed indeed

[civic terrace]

Titanoboa being the exception.

[eager thunder]

I mean based on what we know authropela might also end up in a viv

And that’s pretty large

[civic terrace]

I agree. It definitely will if Titanoboa is.

Would love you we could combine some animals. Mix arthroplura with the giant dragonflies (can't recall the genus).

[rigid spindle]

Meganeura?

[civic terrace]

That's the one.

[desert flame]

If the dodo were to be put on full exhibit , the Rodrigues dodo would be the same.

[ancient ibex]

Plausible alt perhaps

[nova glacier]

i want them to add thanos

[left spear]

Too obscure, atleast add Galactus first

[eager thunder]

Doesn’t that only have a single hip bone or something

[nova glacier]

but still

it is called thanos

[eager thunder]

I mean in terms of pop culture named animals Zuul is cooler

Plus it’s almost entirely complete

[nova glacier]

yea but like they can make a skin wich is purple

and the males can have gold arms

as a refrence

[left spear]

Tbh if you're gonna make a pop-culture skin do a silvery Meraxes

That would atleast look cool

[nova glacier]

i want pyroraptor in the game

[peak hazel]

it is a complete glup shitto

so is Pyroraptor

[neon blade]

Just as a reminder, I have a thread about prehistoric primates. Check it out! https://discord.com/channels/173172667623407616/1468087284770541803

[quick ore]

that would be stupid

[shell sonnet]

Too bad the devs don't seem to be fond of the whole alt genus idea as I'd like.

[left spear]

Very underutilized tbh

Tbf most recent additions didn't have many good alts

[abstract compass]

[left spear]

Maybe Galli with an Archaeo/Struthi/Ornitho alt but that's about it

[shell sonnet]

Ovi with a Citipati alt

[left spear]

And we are getting a lot of alts in 17

Probably none in 18 but again not many good alts there

I hope there's a few in 19

[shell sonnet]

Sucho would be a great alt for Bary

[left spear]

Eh

[abstract compass]

not again.

[left spear]

Tbh if we do get sucho i'd rather have It as a full species DLC animal

But i can see why wanting It as a Bary alt

[shell sonnet]

I'd rather the devs get Sucho out of the way now and use the time to make it a full species devoted to something else

[abstract compass]

Sucho pretty much deserves that devoted full species slot. lmao

idk why people are so hellbent on arguing for it being a bary alt.

[left spear]

Honestly

[shell sonnet]

Because they're incredibly similar to the point you need to reference both (and Riparovenator) for any reconstruction of a Baryonychinae.

[left spear]

If people want columbian mammoth as a full slots then it's just dishonest to want sucho as an alt

[left spear]

So the same as 60% of dinosaurs

[shell sonnet]

Columbian mammoth is in a different situation because Woolly is already out.

[outer moth]

Well cuz it's too late for either of those to be alts

[shell sonnet]

Bary isn't out yet.

[outer moth]

So at this point we gotta just do full slots

[left spear]

Doubt Bary is getting an alt now lmao

[shell sonnet]

I think the devs are wrong to do so.

Still, they can change their minds.

[peak hazel]

the dastardly Mau could surprise us

but I doubt it

[slim flare]

They already said they’re all Bary

[outer moth]

I think so too but mind you, these animals are expensive so devs gotta be wise with their decisions

Them's the 8reaks

[shell sonnet]

That's the point of the alt system, you save time from developing a completely new animal by making a skin variant of the other.

[outer moth]

Alts are also expensive

[left spear]

Also

[outer moth]

Code n resource wise

[left spear]

Sucho is great DLC bait

[outer moth]

Exactly

[left spear]

People would suck It up very well

If anything It would be a Lost economic opportunity

[plush nacelle]

The biggest different between both is for me I can feel how different colombian mammoth would look like - bald, while for suchomimus i fail to see it given baryonyx gonna look wastly different for all skins

[tulip umbra]

Sucho deserves 3 skins, is more than popular enough to sell dlc it would be dumb to use it as a shoe in alt

[outer moth]

Should Sucho be in a specific Cretaceous African DLC, or in a general Mesozoic Africa DLC?

[toxic oriole]

Paired with Sarcosuchus, I believe so
🤷‍♀️

Not sure

[outer moth]

And Nigersaurus
The silly little Rebacchisaur

But like other than that

There's nothing else good from Elhraz

[toxic oriole]

Eocarcharia and Kryptops being those chimerasaurs or something...
At least, I hear something about Kryptops being a chimeric fossil

[outer moth]

(Lurdu is a bit too frag, as I've heard)

[toxic oriole]

Eocarcharia is obvious anyways

[outer moth]

That's why Sucho, Nigersaurus, and Sarco are the only good habitat options here

As for vivariums

Lemme check

[toxic oriole]

And... Someone said something about those gray bones being part of the same fossil, but are unfigured.

Unsure tbh

[peak hazel]

we have enough of Lurdo to have a decent idea of what it is

but obviously its still quite fragmentory

[limber needle]

same but permian/carboniferous

[peak hazel]

I would be happy with

anything really

I have my preferences but the devs haven't missed yet

[limber needle]

alioramus/quainziousaurus alt balright

[slim flare]

Waiting on adult Alioramus description tbh

Nanotyrannus in the meantime

[limber needle]

I think the vivarium size limit should be lowered and only animals with either really weird movement systems that would be impossible to pull of in an exhibit(like burrowing or serpentine movement), or animals that straight up wouldn't be visible in an exhibit should be included, like i think mononykus should be an exhibit animal because I've seen mononykus-sized animals in zoos in fairly large habitats

[limber needle]

no offense to the devs but free my boy mono he dont deserve vivprisonment

[tulip umbra]

Kind of agree, the main reason i see it being in there is cuz of the babies being very small squiggly running machines that have tiny ass hitbox

I hope for a free roam Patagonykus or a mod

[limber needle]

yeah ig, but you could do some sneaky upscaling or use the habitat tab

[tulip umbra]

Lurdu would be a similar situation as Leaellyna, fragmentary but unique traits warrant an inclusion

[peak hazel]

more or less yeah

[plush nacelle]

There would be no reason to have vivarium system at all then

Burrowing could work the same way as in PZ

[kind oriole]

Don't forget about the baby models! Leaellynasaura and Velociraptor don't have hatchlings but even their tail makes them stand out more. Mononykus babies would have to be half the size of parents to even see. Devs apparently decided M wasn't worth it to create full ontogeny. It's either this current Mononykus or none

[eager thunder]

I mean I love me the Mononykus critter

So I’m glad it’s there in any form

[shy vale]

even among brazilian abelisaurs like spectrovenator would've been a better choice than thanos

even if thanos is funny

[peak hazel]

its 2 bones I think

[shy vale]

actually if you have to choose between thanos or pycnonemosaurus which one would you want?

[abstract compass]

spectro.

[shy vale]

yeah i would go with spectrovenator

[peak hazel]

I'd choose neither

[shy vale]

i would prefer pycnonemosaurus because it has slightly more complete remains and it was potentially bigger

[peak hazel]

anyone whos asking for Pycno just wants a different abelisaur

[slim flare]

Is there any of worth after Carno and Majunga?

[peak hazel]

not that I can think of

[abstract compass]

for abelisaurs? there is 2 that comes to mind. maybe 3.

Rajasaurus, Rugops and Turkana giant (unnamed atm)

...actually probably Abelisaurus actual would be a interesting addition.

[peak hazel]

oh yeah Raja

[slim flare]

What separates Raja from Majunga?

[abstract compass]

didnt think that far. i just thought of names that came to mind due to your question.

[peak hazel]

the stuff I'd say we need would be Carno and majun

anything after that is a nice bonus

[abstract compass]

big fan of abelisaurus though. skull is one of the most aesthetically pleasing 1s i know of.

[limber needle]

India rep

[peak hazel]

we have no members of the broader ceratosaur clade

which is not right

[outer crater]

Bigger + longer snout

[abstract compass]

what do you mean?

like ceratosaurus actual?

[peak hazel]

no ceratosaurs, abelisaurs, noasaurs, elaphrosaurs

unless these aren't ceratosaurs and my phylogeny is all wrong

[autumn plover]

Tbh for the Ceratosaurs I’d be satisfied with Carnotaurus and Ceratosaurus as both are necessary. Majungasaurus would be nice to have but I wouldn’t lose sleep if it wasn’t included.

[plush nacelle]

Dunno. Both are mid

Maybe pycno, so brazil players can be happy I guess

[abstract compass]

aint no way people legitimately wants pycno into the game with this material.

its a literal walking cock.

[lean hound]

They just want it because they saw it in path of titans 90% of the time

[abstract compass]

bad argument if thats true. I'd choose spectro any day over these fragmented animals that you cant reliably reconstruct.

[abstract compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cillianmurphygun-cillianmurphy-jazmincoded-gif-3811002643797340103

[peak hazel]

don't you want this animal

[abstract compass]

80% of animal suggestions here i wouldnt want.

[eager thunder]

Hasn’t Oxalial been de legitimized or something

[peak hazel]

at least I can confidently say my favourite prehistoric guy is actually the one depicted

(it's Deinonychus)

[eager thunder]

I forgot the normal word

[peak hazel]

synonymised?

[eager thunder]

Invalid

That’s it

Isn’t Oxal invalid

[peak hazel]

depends who you ask

but with that kind of material
that I think is destroyed

it might as well be

[outer crater]

It's just fragmentary and then burned up

[eager thunder]

So may as well be

Yall think Bambiraptor would fit in a vivarium

[tulip umbra]

Skorpiovenator

[shy vale]

still more complete than thanos, but not by much

[shy vale]

i would want to add a noasaur too

actually at least 2

[abstract compass]

oh yeah. totally forgot about him. good suggestion

[eager thunder]

Weirdo abelisaurid my beloved

[shy vale]

that would add to the huincul representation

[left spear]

Honestly i feel like we only need 3 abelisaurids

And one of those is more of a cool addition than a must

[shy vale]

well 3 base abelisaurids

[left spear]

Eh

[shy vale]

at least carnotaurus i would say

[left spear]

Carno-Majung as base game then Rugops as dlc

Maybe Raja as a majung alt

[shy vale]

what about koleken as a carnotaurus alt?

[eager thunder]

I really do want my Carno man

[ancient ibex]

If you stretch it, Rugops as a small animal, and Skorpio/Ekrixinato as a third lineage

[eager thunder]

Carnotaurus my beloved

[ancient ibex]

Rajasaurus has never been "the third abelisaur" I'm afraid

[left spear]

Oh it has never been

[eager thunder]

What are the 3 abelisaurids anyhow

[shy vale]

rajasaurus is because it showed up in prehistoric planet and it's one of the few dinosaurs from india

[left spear]

But i do think it would make a neat majung alt

[eager thunder]

I know Carno and Majung

But what’s the 3rd supposed to be

[left spear]

Rugops most would say

[shy vale]

what about arcovenator as another majungasaurus alt?

[left spear]

Others migth argue for Scorpio

But i'm in the former group

[eager thunder]

A single skull

[left spear]

Unironically better than most abelisaurids

[ancient ibex]

Rugops is outside of the Carno+Majunga clade but is a skull

[eager thunder]

Why do we assume they all have the tiny arms when we barely have actual examples of it

[ancient ibex]

The Rio Limay duo has a distinct face shape and lived alongside iconic giants

[shy vale]

phylogenetic bracketing with the existing ones

[ancient ibex]

Bracketing

Old af reduction

[left spear]

Also the small arms just fit the lifestyle better

[shy vale]

referring to skorpiovenator and ekrixinatosaurus?

[eager thunder]

Yeah makes sense but still I had no idea we had so little on albielsaurids

[ancient ibex]

Yup

[left spear]

There's like 4 or 5 with non-shit remains, but those 4 or 5 are quite good remains

[eager thunder]

Then why is Rugops is in the top 3?

Genuinely?

[shy vale]

it's more basal

[left spear]

Rugops is in-between but it's very unqiue in comparaison to others

[eager thunder]

Do we just have 5 complete Carnos or something

[left spear]

It's also a Erlhaz which is nice

[shy vale]

there's only 1 carnotaurus specimen

[hollow trench]

Spectrovenator would also be a great abelisaur

Basal and small

[shy vale]

but it's among the most complete of the abelisaurs to the point where there's even skin impressions

[hollow trench]

But would be fun

It’s got aura

[eager thunder]

Based solely on the skull?

[left spear]

Yes

And size

It's shorter than a person

[shy vale]

arcovenator and rajasaurus as majungasaurus alts

[left spear]

Eh

I'd say on Raja

I don't get much from Arco personally

[shy vale]

european abelisaurs, because we don't really see them (except for tarascosaurus in dinosaur planet)

[eager thunder]

Do we have complete Majungasauruses or something

[left spear]

It's an european abelisaurid which is neat but that's about it

[eager thunder]

What complete animals do we even have

Abelisaurid wise

[shy vale]

we have quite a lot of bones

[eager thunder]

I’m just shocked that Rugops is supposed to be popular or something

[hollow trench]

I don’t think those work as alts

They’re related but not super closely

[shy vale]

fair enough but why is there a juxia alt then?

[hollow trench]

It’s not rex and tarbo

[shy vale]

it also showed up in planet dinosaur

[left spear]

Unless stated otherwise assume all dinosaurs are at best 50% complete

[hollow trench]

They’re genera with probably 10s of millions of years of separation

[left spear]

Eh i think Raja works

It for the most part just a slightly leggier majunga

[eager thunder]

That last one being a single eye ridge is genuinely worse than Oxalalia however the hell it’s said

[left spear]

It sometimes be like that

[shy vale]

as for noasaurs, i would have masiakasaurus and one of the elaphrosaurines

[hollow trench]

Leggier majunga would require new proportions on the model tho right?

[shy vale]

i personally would like limusaurus but others may have their own suggestions

[hollow trench]

Would that work for just an alt

[left spear]

It's not that much leggier

Besides Juxia also has different leg proportions

[eager thunder]

I do love my Carno
Wild that we only have one

[left spear]

I think it could work

[eager thunder]

It’s so strange to only have one skeleton to prove an animal ever existed

[left spear]

We don't need much more

[shy vale]

i mean there's a lot of dinosaurs that are basically based on 1 tooth and shit

to the point where it's a meme

[left spear]

60% of prehistoric species are like that

[hollow trench]

Spectrovenator is very complete

[eager thunder]

Like imagine there only being one human skeleton left to prove that we ever existed

Billions of people and all we have is one

I have to imagine Carnos had some presence wherever they lived and of course there was more of them but having one really makes me think how many there might’ve been

[hollow trench]

Note that blue is what we hve white is what we don’t (weird choice for a skeletal)

[eager thunder]

Maybe Carnos where rare or something

I duno

One animal to go off so we probably don’t know anything about it’s social habits

It’s just weirdly fascinating to me

[eager thunder]

Funky fella

[hollow trench]

And he’s little!

[eager thunder]

Funky fella mini

We do need more small critters

[left spear]

The populations are completely different

[eager thunder]

Oh definitely but still, never will know how populated Carnos were

[shy vale]

that's a juvenile?

[eager thunder]

Unless we somehow find a group or something

[left spear]

There a billions of humans alive right noe, There were probably lets say 200 million carnotaurus through all history

[hollow trench]

Skeletally mature

[left spear]

Fossilization is rare

[shy vale]

oh wow that's a smaller abelisaur

[eager thunder]

I want more small freaks

Lovingly

[hollow trench]

Yeah I think it’s low key a sleeper great hit

Perfect 1-2 star predator

[eager thunder]

I love my weird critters

[hollow trench]

It’s up there w australovenator as one of my most wanted

Australo is much more realistic tho lol

[eager thunder]

Do have like, other Carnotaurus related things? Footprints or bite marks of that type

[eager thunder]

Concavinator hours

[rigid spindle]

*concavenator

[eager thunder]

I can’t spell for shit man

[rigid spindle]

(I refuse to let the name of my favorite dinosaur go misspelled)

[eager thunder]

This is why I call Dino’s things like trike and Pachy

[hollow trench]

concavenator is so needed its not even funny

it seems silly to have 3 carcharodontosaurids but like. its the best

[rigid spindle]

Conc is too unique of a charcarodontosaurid to not include

At least give it to us in a dlc

[eager thunder]

The question is will it have feathers or not

In game I mean

[rigid spindle]

Most likely quills

[eager thunder]

https://preview.redd.it/fun-facts-about-concavenator-v0-gl0f7q2uk30b1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=9ce1e0fe3d3ea5ce06f906aba3ba365c12d79cdb

[rigid spindle]

Maybe 1 skin bald, 1 skin feathered, and one quilled

[eager thunder]

That does seem to the be case for the Barry

[tulip umbra]

Rugops may very well be a sub adult, with only the skull we cant know for sure what age it was

[eager thunder]

Does that just mean dwarfism or something

[tulip umbra]

Hm wym?

[eager thunder]

What’s sub adult mean

[tulip umbra]

With only the skull its hard to say what age it was and how much it would or could have grown

[tulip umbra]

Life stage before adult

So if it was a subadult, we dont know how big a rugops adult would have been

[eager thunder]

Is this another “we only have one fossil of it” thing

[coarse inlet]

Yes

Lurdusaurus being fragmentary is a misconception based on that drawing being posted out of context

It’s just not been properly described

But the skeleton seems to be quite good

From what I’ve been able to access the limbs at the very least seem to be more or less complete and there are ribs, vertebrae, at least part of the skull, hips, and shoulders

I haven’t found a way to access the original paper so I don’t know exactly how complete those pieces are but it is absolutely not fragmentary

Naish implied that Luis V Rey referenced this illustration directly from the fossil as well

Wait my mistake the measurements in the original paper are actually pretty comprehensive but they didn’t illustrate most of the bones. Seems like the skull is pretty incomplete but the rest is pretty good based on how Naish described it. Unfortunately the image on his blog that shows the known material is missing, which is the problem with old blog posts

Found it with wayback machine. It’s a higher quality version of the one previously shown

Naish provides some context: the darker ones with diagonal stripes are known material that was measured but not figured. Horizontal stripes are reconstructed

Which means we have almost the entire pre-caudal post crania except the back feet

That’s a REALLY good specimen

[toxic oriole]

Which makes lurdusaurus quite complete

[coarse inlet]

Yes

[toxic oriole]

Though some people arent aware of this as it seems

[coarse inlet]

Hopefully this puts to bed the idea that it’s not well known. The image was just reposted without context for what the stripes meant

[silver steeple]

Am I crazy or are those spikes kinda fuckin nuts

[proper raven]

Something something POT's ship of theseus version of carnotaurus

[left spear]

That happaned with carnotaurus, and Pterandon, And Plesiosaurus, and-

I will never forgive what they did to Thalasso and Kaiwhekea

[open heron]

tbf all paleomedia does that to plesiosaurs lol

[left spear]

Well yeah but like

Kai is soooo unique

It's a filter feeder ffs

And thalasso is also super unique among pterosaurs 😭

Overall by far the biggest Alderon L

[coarse inlet]

yep

from Wikipedia:

the thumb-spike is remarkably enormous

[fallow knoll]

These would all be perfect for filling out enclosures

[fallow knoll]

This is what I'm hoping to make so especially certain species would be poggers as fuck
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q0ku7s1WkhfaBRGsvoI3550kYugVCbTNTs5q8bhhaNg/edit?usp=drivesdk

Especially the movie and JPOG species

[eager thunder]

Anyone else Pegomastax fans

Make for a excellent Vivarium animal I think

[ancient ibex]

Heterodontosaurus is right there, being actually relevant

[left spear]

Pego has uhhhhh

Ark

Obnoxious little shits

And a cooler name ig

Also the top one is a peak desing ngl

[rigid spindle]

Is the nightmarish freak pego accurate or not?

[ancient ibex]

Pegomastax has Sereno being an aggressive marketer

This is Pegomastax

Meanwhile Heterodontosaurus 60 years ago...

[feral cedar]

I think a heterodontosaur would be neat but Pegomastax is too small imo. Heterodontosaurus itself is larger, more within Compsognathus’s ballpark, so I think it’s a better choice. More visible in the vivariums

[shell sonnet]

It's in Mono's ballpark, Compy is based on the smaller specimen

[eager thunder]

I feel like it’s about dictadon sized no?

[shell sonnet]

Which one? Heterodontosaurus is the one in the middle left (Mononkyus is above it).

[ancient ibex]

Pegomastax is a nothingburger, seriously

Sereno hyped it up, and Ark was weird as usual

[peak hazel]

when isn't ark weird

[left spear]

Uhhh uh uh uhhhh

Scortched earth-Extinction era was cool

Then again you could consider the pivoting from being a dinosaur Game weird

[eager thunder]

I don’t actually know anything about Ark I just actually like the animal

[ancient ibex]

This is Pegomastax

It is literally a deeper than usual Heterodontosaurid jaw

Please don't have single bones as your favourites

[eager thunder]

You know what I’ll admit it probably wouldn’t be added over the more complete version of it in this case but it would be neat if we got both

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dinosaurs/images/4/4d/010649-pegomastax.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121224043709 also is this not a Pegomastax? I think Google confuses pego with hetrodontasaur cause similar images pop up for either search

[ancient ibex]

Google is cooked

Seriously just Wikipedia stuff up

Read

[shell sonnet]

That image looks generic.

[ancient ibex]

AI has fucked up search engines

[eager thunder]

Oh boy

I fucking love unasked ai bullshit

[shell sonnet]

Stock art generic

[ancient ibex]

Heterodontosaurs are weirdos

Wouldn't be very surprised if some go into marginocephalia

Hell, Pachycephalosaurs being nested within heterodontosaurs was a result a while ago, even if it is one to be wary

[eager thunder]

I like how oddly vampiric they look

[ancient ibex]

Tianyulong being reevaluated as being 40 MY older than it was originally understood also shuffled things a bit

[feral cedar]

Huh, really?

[eager thunder]

I learned about Pegomastax in a educational comic book as a kid, maybe they mistook it for Hetero or something but I remember them portraying it about the same size are what Pegomastax is assumed to be

[ancient ibex]

Goddammit Sereno lol

[eager thunder]

They gave it a Transylvanian accent it was charming

[ancient ibex]

(Also, "as a kid" for a taxon named in 2012 makes me feel ancient bwahaha)

[eager thunder]

I apologize:[

[eager thunder]

Also ?

[feral cedar]

No need to apologize for making some of us feel like valid inclusions to Prehistoric Kingdom

[mint creek]

Don't worry, there are dozens of us who don't know what Ark is 'round these parts

[tulip umbra]

At least my birth date doesnt start with 19.. haha

[eager thunder]

You know in that case time wise it might’ve been hetero and I misremembered it

[ancient ibex]

Paul Sereno was part of the team who described Pegomastax; he is also highly talented at hyping his stuff up to the press

[eager thunder]

Okay that does make sense

You know what I’m gonna find the specific comic I’m thinking of

[shell sonnet]

Neither does mine, but it does start with 1

[feral cedar]

This mf is over a century old

[ancient ibex]

Seeing the first time I got to teach was to the class of those born in 2000, brain has trouble not seeing those as "the kids", m'bad

[feral cedar]

I was born 2002

[mint creek]

1990s kids rise up

[tulip umbra]

2001 here

[feral cedar]

But really it's honorary 2003 cause I was born on the 27th of December

[mint creek]

oh lmao I'm 26th December

[feral cedar]

HUH

[mint creek]

Sucks having a birthday close to Christmas doesn't it

[eager thunder]

Well in my searching I’ve found where my Bambi raptor fixation came from

[mint creek]

we're late christmas miracles penguin

[feral cedar]

Yeah

I'm no miracle

[mint creek]

All penguins are miracles

[feral cedar]

No you don't understand, this isn't some "nah I suck" self-hate nonsense. My parents were advised to schedule a C-section because there was a risk I'd be born in New Years where it'd be difficult to get good hospital service so they went "27th it is"

[eager thunder]

Found it

Probably just misnamed hetero based on the size

[feral cedar]

definitely

Some of the first dinosaurs I learnt of as a kid were from an educational book

Diplodocus, Apatosaurus, and Brachiosaurus for sauropods, with "Ultrasaurus" as the biggest one (I never gave a shit about Ultrasaurus LOL)

The book talked about lambeosaurine crests and used Parasaurolophus, Corythosaurus, Lambeosaurus, and Tsintaosaurus as examples

Albertosaurus is mentioned only once and that is in a page used to show etymology of dinosaur names as an example of how a dinosaur can be named after the place it was discovered in. Despite the fact that it's named once, this singular mention glued Albertosaurus to my mind

[eager thunder]

Did they mention Utah raptor in that ?

[feral cedar]

It's a pre-Jurassic Park book

[eager thunder]

Ultrasaurus sounds like a dinosaur destined to eventually not live up to the name post future fossil research

[feral cedar]

Deinonychus is featured extensively and is in my mind THE dromaeosaur

[eager thunder]

What a time

[feral cedar]

The book also introduced me to Baryonyx long before I knew what a Spinosaurus was

[eager thunder]

That’s fun, the Barry does deserve more love than it gets

[feral cedar]

Actually, Baryonyx being in the book but the book having zero JP influences points to its publishing date being somewhere around late 80s to early early 90s

[feral cedar]

The book did commit a few cardinal sins though

For example, in a page talking about armored dinosaurs, nodosaurids were reduced to just showing Nodosaurus as a pangolin-looking thing that just didn't have a tail club in contrast to the club-tailed ankylosaurids

That's it

So I grew up thinking nodosaurs were lame

[shell sonnet]

That depends on which one, Ultrasaurus officially is a nomen dubium from Korea. Ultrasauros (the one colloquially called Ultrasaurus that most people think of) is a chimera.

[feral cedar]

Of course now I like nodosaurs just as much as ankylosaurids. Edmontonia has those forwards-facing shoulder spikes, Sauropelta has those sideways (or diagonal?) spikes that protect its neck and a very long tail, Polacanthus is covered in spikes every which way

[eager thunder]

I love all my low ground armored types

[feral cedar]

Lemme remember what else

Oh right, the book really hammered Kentrosaurus into my skull

It was the ONLY stegosaur mentioned aside from Stegosaurus itself, which fair enough

Dacentrurines weren't as distinctive as they are now and the publishing date means Gigantspinosaurus wasn't even a thing

Oh right, Dinosaur King introduced me to Carnotaurus and Spinosaurus

There wasn't a single ceratosaurian in my book. No abelisaur, no Ceratosaurus, nothing

[eager thunder]

I have vauge memories of some sort of dinosaur anime that had the same voice actors as Pokémon

[eager thunder]

No abelisaurs? Wasn’t Carno a thing by this time?

[feral cedar]

It was, but they didn't mention them

Odd inclusion

[eager thunder]

Werid

Maybe they assumed it was a therapod or something

[feral cedar]

The theropod roster was mostly T. rex and Allosaurus shown fighting trike and stego respectively, Deinonychus, Oviraptor stealing eggs, Baryonyx fishing, Compsognathus being the tiny one, Ornithomimus being the fastest one, Archaeopteryx being the important evolutionary connection

Albertosaurus was "Dinosaurs can be named after their discovery site", Saurornithoides was there as a "This guy would've eaten small mammals!" inclusion in a dietary variety page...

[eager thunder]

Did they have Deinocheirus as that “ooh mystery arms” it was at the time?

[feral cedar]

No

Anyway that's enough yapping

I went on a bit of a tangent lol, my apologies

[hollow flower]

I must say I am quite excited to see Rhynchosaurs in any sort of media after The dinosaurs trailed dropped

Id also like to see them in this game

[shy vale]

what about tianyulong as a vivarium species?

[feral cedar]

Ah, it’s a very important find. But I think Tianyulong should be used as a basis for Heterodontosaurus

[eager thunder]

Nah I love my yapp seshes

[tough marsh]

irrc its from the paper discribing pego

Nope its Tianyulong from the same paper

[shell sonnet]

I thought it might have been Tianyulong because of the fuzz, but the details weren't great.

[limber needle]

im gonna add a completely unrelated suggestion if yall don't mind, bonapartenykus

big alvarezsaur

[shell sonnet]

Speaking of suggestions, how big could Thylophorops lorenzinii get? I don't trust the google images and the wiki descriptions are for a juvenile.

[eager thunder]

Oh my god I love him

His fingers don’t even look real

I might’ve discovered a new favorite thing

[coarse inlet]

Iirc the fingers were probably less specialized than that

[alpine thicket]

Bonapartenykus is really neat, trying to remember how much of it we actually have but yeah it's cool.

[shell sonnet]

Material: A nearly articulated but badly preserved partial skeleton consisting of an incomplete mid-dorsal vertebra, a nearly comlpete left scapulocoracoid, incomplete right scapulocoracoid, incomplete left tibia and femur, nearly complete left pubis articulated with the incomplete pubic peduncle of ilium, and the anteior blade of the left ilium.

[eager thunder]

I can’t help but love the idea of a Utah raptor sized one finger fella

[alpine thicket]

right that's right.

[silver steeple]

This thing is nowhere near Utah sized lol

[eager thunder]

Ok like really big sized

[silver steeple]

Like dromaeosaurus or deinonychus at best

[eager thunder]

Hyperbolic and all

Whoops

Still love em

[lean hound]

Was it really that big?!

holy moly

[alpine thicket]

Pretty comparable to Deinon, which doesn't seem big until you actually see how big it is next to a person.

[silver steeple]

For reference

Ignore the reddit thing at the bottom, couldn't find a better download

[feral cedar]

OOF that's an OLD image considering it says "ostrommaysorum"

[silver steeple]

Or they just weren't aware of the name change

[quick ore]

hey remind me will we get any cenozoic birds before the RE dlc

like phorusrhacids or otherwise

[silver steeple]

Maybe

Kelenken was on one of the blurred lists so take that as you will

[quick ore]

i see

[eager thunder]

What’s that about?

How much of patagonykus do we have anyhow

[shell sonnet]

Not a lot, but we have parts of the forearm and hand, which is what matters

[eager thunder]

Having a bigger exhibit single finger fella would be cool

Alvarezsauridae that’s it

An exhibit Alvarezsauroidea

[slender tangle]

If beelzebufo were added as a viv creature, would it use a terrestrial or amphibious one?

[plush nacelle]

Terrestrial

[left spear]

It's not great but enough imo

We have worse in-game

[burnt gate]

They should add Albertosaurus

[ancient ibex]

Ornitholestes then

Maniraptoriformes incertae sedis keeps winning lol

[slim flare]

Isn’t it thought to be a basal Oviraptorosaur?

[ancient ibex]

That's a possibility

Nowadays we are kinda more sure of it being more maniraptoriform than tyrannosauroid as far as likely affinities, but lol no it isn't certain

[slim flare]

No one said it was

[ancient ibex]

At the end of the day, Maniraptora itself is less stable than assumed

[slim flare]

I’ve never heard of Alvarezsauroidea tho

[ancient ibex]

As in, alvarezsaurs and therizinosaurs closer to ornithomimids than to birds isn't a wild idea

[slim flare]

I mean Ornitholestes being one

[ancient ibex]

Ah, of course, thus far not recovered as one

[shell sonnet]

It's only because we have the forelimbs that I agree. The unstable nature of where they exist in the family would have made them tricky to reconstruct otherwise.

[shy vale]

they include the more basal stem-alvarezsaurs, or at least potential ones

also apparently the likes of yi qi could potentially be related to oviraptorosaurs too?!

[eager thunder]

Whoops

Meant the regular ones

Whoops

[feral cedar]

The hell

Patagonykus isn’t bigger than Mononykus

[shy vale]

i think they were similar sizes?

[shell sonnet]

Says who. The size estimate on wiki is from GSP and I don't trust him.

[limber needle]

If we move mononykus to an exhibit, a good ontogeny solution would be making the babies altricial (the ugly baby birds) so they sorta just sit in the nest and are easier to find

Also makes alts like bonapartenykus, manipulonyx or patagonykus possible because, as far as I know, Viv species can't have alts

[quick ore]

They won't make Mononykus an exhibit species now. That just doesn't make sense

[slim flare]

Unfortunately

[plush nacelle]

How is it good solution

It only creates some sort of new system only one animal would use

[feral cedar]

Personally I’d replace Macroplata with Rhomaleosaurus and maybe Barapasaurus with Vulcanodon

[sharp dock]

was the early jurassic really that boring

[fiery crow]

Protosuchus and Morganucodon as vivies?

[mint creek]

Where Cryolophosaurus, is he safe

[lean hound]

no

[shell sonnet]

No. I can think of quite a few animals from there that should make it.

[hollow flower]

Could be worse

Could be middle jurassic

Now that is actually boring

[shell sonnet]

Afrovenator, Jobaria, Huayangosaurus, Monolophosaurus, Ophthalmosaurus are not boring.

[hollow flower]

I personally never saw the appeal with Jobaria

[mint creek]

Isn't Afrovenator middle to late Jurassic

Huayang too

[flint sable]

naur

[shell sonnet]

Besides the fact that it is one of the most complete sauropods we have, it provides us with an in depth look at early sauropods

[flint sable]

also middle jurassic isnt boring; its apparently when a lot of animal groups likely first arose; its just we have diddly squat from it especially compared to most other times in the mesozoic

fairly certain its actually the time period with the least remains in the mesozoic

could be wrong, though

[hollow flower]

That was my reasoning for it being boring in my opinion

[flint sable]

also the middle jurassic in this case woulld be the Callovian, Bathonian, Bajocian, and Aalenian

from about 174 mya to 161 mya

no idea why the entire early jurassic and late jurassic get 3 periods, and are both longer than the middle jurassic; yet the middle jurassic itself gets 4 and its only like 15 million years long

oh wait nvm early also has 4

but still, by all accounts this makes no sense

also related to this

I have a question about geologic time

why is the carboniferous so special in that it has 2 distinctly named large beginning and large end periods

unlike say, the cretaceous where its just early and late cretaceous

the carboniferous gets the pennysylvannian and missisipian

[hollow flower]

I looked into this awhile back

Basically in America its a fairly noticeable difference between the two, which is why you might not see the carboniferous and instead see Pennsylvannian and missisipian

[shell sonnet]

Sort of, the dating of the Tiouaren Formation is a bit wonky (we used to think it was early K; I own a book with this dating) but it's mostly in the mid Jurassic. Jobaria is firmly in that period and Afro (who would be a potential predator of it) would be so as well. Huyango is firmly in the Middle Jurassic

[hollow flower]

If i remember correctly that is

[flint sable]

interesting

[mint creek]

ah I see

[shell sonnet]

Huyango is a bit of an odd duck, it comes from the lower Shaxamio which is called the Shunosaurus-Omeisaurus assemblage but it comes from an earlier part of it so isn't a contemporary of Shuno.

[feral cedar]

“Early Jurassic isn’t boring”

five names from outside the Early Jurassic

[shell sonnet]

That was for the Middle Jurassic

[feral cedar]

Oh I see

[feral cedar]

I mean I think that PK’s potential for Early Jurassic animals is mildly hampered by the fact that Dilophosaurus and Scelidosaurus are already in the game

But other full exhibit reps would be prosauropods like Massospondylus, Vulcanodon for a very early sauropod, Cryolophosaurus, and I think that’s it. Everything else is vivarium or would require a system for being aquatic

[shell sonnet]

Early Jurassic has Ichthyo and Pleiso, which should be in the top ten of every one's list for aquatics.

It also has Patagosaurus and Piatnitzkysaurus

[feral cedar]

Rhamph is Late Jurassic

[shell sonnet]

You're right, I was thinking Dimorphodon

[feral cedar]

Is there any reason to have a piatnitzkysaurid lol

Honestly it’s such a nothingburger family

[shell sonnet]

Is there any reason not to.

[feral cedar]

Because no one requests them

The only one people come close to wanting is Marshosaurus and that’s just because it’s from the Morrison Formation

[sharp dock]

ok you are just making up words now

[hollow flower]

Piatnitzkysaurids are sort of the nothingburger family now that I think about it

[sharp dock]

I want the dodo pack featuring the dodo, the rodrigues dodo and the reunion white dodo

also that one dodo from alice in wonderland

[mint creek]

hell yeah

[feral cedar]

Google it, it’s a real family lol

[tough marsh]

Also the stuff for MAZ

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, the Elliot formation needs more love

[tough marsh]

MAZ also includes Clarens which has some unique fauna

[feral cedar]

Elliot Formation is the king of minis

Lesothosaurus, Heterodontosaurus, and maybe Eocursor are all vivarium-sized

Massospondylus, Melanorosaurus, and Antetonitrus are all worthy sauropodomorph inclusions

[heavy scarab]

If more dinosaurs get added to vivariums my top choices would be;
Sinosauropteryx, Heterodontosaurus, Aquilops, Scutellosaurus and Halszkaraptor

[tough marsh]

Eocurse is smaller Lesutho

[slender tangle]

A bit off-subject but we need Leptictidium for a viv as well

More cenozoic mammal rep

[feral cedar]

Extinct mammals are very underrepresented rn

But honestly even having them at all is great, especially since they're getting just as much attention and TLC as dinosaurs

[quick ore]

the selection ain't very diverse rn though

especially in terms of smaller mammals or those from before the pleistocene

[feral cedar]

Definitely

First and foremost we need to expand on afrotherians and bring in xenarthrans, with ground sloths and glyptodonts

Our perissodactyl selection is pretty solid, we'd really only be missing a chalicothere to have a bit of everything considering we know horses are coming

Megaloceros as our only artiodactyl is unfortunate, but not for long

[slender tangle]

Having an amphibious mammal like pezosiren or thalassocnus would be nice

[feral cedar]

I'd love to see Daeodon, Camelops, Synthetoceras, perhaps an extinct bison