Community Species Suggestions

[outer moth]

The only naked one here is Eremotherium

[plush nacelle]

Andean megatherium

[slim flare]

I had to look up and found it’s fur is likely 3 cm long

Which is short

[left spear]

A lot of them lived in high altitude in areas with very cold climate

which with the simplified biome system this game has means boreal

[feral cedar]

Well that's what I said

[slim flare]

Uh, source?

[left spear]

AD

Who i trust with south american fauna

[fiery crow]

WE ARE?

[feral cedar]

...I think

[plush nacelle]

Which one for desert sloth

Nothrotheriops?

[tulip umbra]

Devs have explicitly said no

[slim flare]

Yeah

Megatherium, Megalonyx, Mylodon, Caribbean species and Nothrotheriops covers everything pretty well

[fiery crow]

Lestodon and Paramylodon?

[shy vale]

the heterodontosaurus could get a "fuzzy skin" like tianyulong?

[slim flare]

Repeats

[tulip umbra]

#pk-discussion message

[plush nacelle]

Mylodon with paramylodon as alt

[shy vale]

you know what would be cool?

meridiungulates

[slim flare]

Lestodon and Paramylodon are both Mylodontines

[shy vale]

macrauchenia (with xenorhinotherium) alt and toxodon (with mixotoxodon alt)

[slim flare]

Would be cool

[shy vale]

a chalicothere would also be interesting

[inner wedge]

what about a lion

[slim flare]

We already have one

[inner wedge]

where?

[shy vale]

cave lion

[inner wedge]

holy shit

[slim flare]

Steppe lion and American lion??

I guess you don’t own the game smh

[inner wedge]

please tell me bears are in too

[slim flare]

Bruh

Go to the website

[shy vale]

my computer is a laptop

and i am bad with technology

[inner wedge]

NO WAY

THEY EVEN HAVE A DEER

cant wait for crocodiles man

[slim flare]

I wasn’t talking to you

This guy suggesting species and doesn’t even know what’s in the game right now

[short rover]

Lmao

[inner wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-barnacles-funny-gif-gif-14509494416451968887

[quick ore]

we're talking about you

[inner wedge]

jesus christ i was joking you guys are so dense

[tulip umbra]

Psst a lot of people take this channel too seriously and have no sense of humor

That being said, your joke was pretty shit

[short rover]

None of what you said came off like that in the slightest

Evidence you’re the dense one? Further study required

[left spear]

I mean tbh i did catch it

Wouldn't consider It funny but It wasn't a cryptojoke or anything

[inner wedge]

i apologize sincerely for that

[short rover]

I have seen people suggest animals before while also not realizing they are already in the game so having prior experience with this exact subject makes it easier to believe

[toxic oriole]

Since Compy and Archie are in the game already...
Ptery and Rhamphy...

The stupid way of shortening names

[inner wedge]

the joke was that i straight up suggested a lion

no cave lion or american lion

a lion

[toxic oriole]

Another one?

[left spear]

Qetzy

[inner wedge]

bruh

[short rover]

Okay?

[toxic oriole]

Shorten Pterodactylus like that and it sounds like something else alright

A fish?

[tulip umbra]

Jan 31st, Oncorhynchus Rastrosus. It is often called the saber-toothed salmon for its small pair of “fangs”, that is until the discovery of an exceptionally preserved skull in 2014 was made. This skull showed us that these “fangs” were in fact placed on the snout and oriented sideways, leading to the more appropriate name spike-toothed salmon. O. Rastrosus was the largest salmon ever and most likely used their “fangs” for intraspecific combat and predator defence. It is very possible that O. Rastrosus was anadromous (swimming up rivers from the sea to spawn). These journeys are so taxing on the animal that their bodies actively decay throughout the journey, making it their last act in life.

[ancient ibex]

It is a goddamn Paradox Pokemon take on salmon, love this fuck

It has racially insensitive nose piercings for the love of fuck

[toxic oriole]

Thats a salmon if I ever do say so myself

But they made the salmon...

Better?

I dunno how to describe it

[flint sable]

is that one in the second pic ok

looks a little sick

[rigid spindle]

Here me out on this

When (and if) they add more restaurants to the game, if we get oncorhynchus, there should be a sushi kiosk to go with it

[flint sable]

bro Dunkle Donuts would be so good

almost straight up need to make a list

McDilo's is one ive seen a few times but thats basically what Tiny's is

[rigid spindle]

Is there a kiosk suggestions channel?

[flint sable]

devs even commented on it a few times

Ida specifically

#pk-prefabs message

#pk-prefabs message

[flint sable]

genius

Khaidu has made quite a few

#pk-prefabs message

[fresh ember]

https://discord.com/channels/173172667623407616/1406682684880719872

[vital grove]

diplobune a very interesting artiodactyl

[tulip umbra]

Its decaying while alive during its journey upstream to lay its eggs, this happens to modern salmon

[flint sable]

hope they get well soon, look a little worse for wear

[vital grove]

vancleavea

[alpine thicket]

Vancleavea would be really neat it just looks like a classic swamp monster

[left spear]

Yeah It would be great for themed parks

This would fit right in in a medieval park

I can already imagine a motte enclousure for it

[vital grove]

Helveticosaurus another swamp monster

[alpine thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/helvetica-standard-halvetica-standard-nichijou-gif-25736465

[fresh ember]

Not to mention all the Skull Island-themed builds.

[feral cedar]

I'm about to suggest a bit of an obscurosaur

A small part of me wants to see Auroraceratops be added at some point. Honestly of all of these "Microceratus-esque" basal ceratopsians, it's got a BEAUTIFUL fossil

I also think Auroraceratops has a lovely name

Of course, I understand it has low chances of being added. It's a random ceratopsian from the middle of China. Yinlong is at least Late Jurassic, Aquilops comes from Cloverly, hell even Liaoceratops could get in on the merits of being a Yixian animal

[coarse inlet]

That's ridiculous to say, it's not very complete but its limbs are really good and the other bits are still very informative about its general anatomy

[left spear]

Real, It just fits amazingly as a standing for any spec-evo based build

Would be great for my Aberration build

[desert flame]

I hope PK officially adopts this.

[vital grove]

stegouros

spicomellus

[rigid spindle]

Spico and stegouros are two of the coolest ankylosaurs

[shy vale]

stegouros is a parankylosaur though

[fresh ember]

Not everybody's caught up on parankylosaur phylogeny.

[alpine thicket]

Parankylosaur phylogeny should be a mandatory subject

[ancient ibex]

Can see either of those not being ankylosaurs, or even eurypods

[left spear]

Yeah they were just very derived trilobites

[rigid spindle]

Taxonomy is too confusing

If it look like something, it's something

[eager thunder]

I would like one more ankylosaur but I’d love Zull personally

*Zuul

Destroyer of shins

[coarse inlet]

If we get another ankylosaurid I'd prefer one of the Asian ones with weird noses

like Tarchia or Pinacosaurus

[slim flare]

They’re nothing. What we have does not make it interesting or unique

[coarse inlet]

the forelimbs are very distinctive

Also looking it up that image is definitely not accurate to the actual material we have

since ribs, a femur, a dentary, and metatarsals are also described

so I think you're just fully deciding based on that image and not the actual paper

which shows a BUNCH of weird traits

though according to Naish the paper itself is still not an adequite description of what's there

ah, I just figured it out, the bones in white are not all the bones we have

those are the bones that were fully figured in the paper, though others were described in the text

so yeah, the idea that it's a mega fragmentary dinosaur that isnt very unique is just wrong

[slim flare]

Ok

Do we have more of the neck?

[coarse inlet]

It seems like it, haven’t found a place to read the paper, mainly reading what Darren wrote about it. Definitely not the whole neck but more than one vertebra and he seemed pretty sure about it being rather long

[median glen]

who suggested baryonyx

[lean hound]

Someone

[cloud nymph]

Dunkeyosteus be like “spaghetti and meatballs”

[vast berry]

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-planet-deserts-dreadnoughtus-titanosauria-sauropoda-gif-15963595899976448440

We should get Dreadnoughtus

[vital grove]

it would be neat but i personally prefer some more weirdos over something with the basic bodyplan of its group

Hawaiʻi ʻōʻō moho nobilis. these birds are quite well known since one of its relatives has a very famous sound recording. however this one would be the prettiest of the genus and would add some colour to the game that a long extinct animal simply wouldnt be able to do.

[scarlet sky]

I would love a small collection of non-mammal synapsids (like stem-mammals and basal synapsids). Any of them, but a nice spread. I’m an evolutionary ecologist and like to do a bit of a timeline and education in my parks because it makes my nerd heart happy and they would fit right in to that.

If you included some skulls of them and others so I could easily make a full on display about it I would probably actually die.

[vital grove]

literally anything thats not a dinosaur would be so great. the game currently has a little lack of everything else

birds would also be neat although yes technically being dinosaurs

[scarlet sky]

Personally, I’m not that fussed about actual mammals or birds. I’ve just been kinda fascinated by our weird ancestors ever since I did an evolution of mammals unit for my undergraduate degree.

I’m an invert person technically, so I’d also love to see more inverts.

[vital grove]

invertebrates would be amazing although land invertebrates of adequate size are lacking there are a few

[scarlet sky]

I may be an outlier, if so then it’s obviously fine to go with what’s more popular. I’m used to being an outlier 😆

Would just personally improve my experience.

My vibe is a bit ‘you will learn science, particularly biology, whether you mean to or not’.

[vital grove]

no the game is currently to dinosaur focused you are absolutely right on wanting some invertebrates and synapsids

dinosaurs are mostly quite boring to me aswell lol

[abstract compass]

[scarlet sky]

I love dinosaurs the way I love biology. As in they come under the umbrella of what’s been my special interest since I was a tiny kid. But they aren’t my focus at all. Although I’ve always thought the small therapods are very cute and kept pigeons for years (rescue rather than pigeon fancy).

Anyone that has ever looked after domesticated birds is well aware that they are dinosaurs. I used to have to wear actual protective gear sometimes for birds smaller than my hand.

[vital grove]

not saying they arent nice and there are good picks left but some more other things in general would go a long way

[vital grove]

i did animal care and a friend of mine got his head cut open by a small owl in a zoo

[scarlet sky]

Exactly! Savages. Just a chicken can be a nightmare.

[vital grove]

i had one peck my eye once haha

[scarlet sky]

There is also a gap in the market for non-dinosaurs in games, if we go pure business sense.

We have paleobotany, also sorely missing from other games. Let’s fill more gaps!

[vital grove]

yeah this would be really nice, anything from radiodonts to recently extinct animals that are unique. plants synapsids and birds there are so many things that would make the game feel so much more diverse

[vital grove]

repenomamus

[desert flame]

Repenomamus is suitable for large vivarium.

[flint sable]

indeed; and a great pick

[shy vale]

we already have argentinosaurus

[coarse inlet]

R. giganteus could honestly be a non vivarium species

[vital grove]

when we get dinosaur combat that could be funny with psittacosaurus

[quick ore]

y'all

do you not know that the Repenomamus and Psittacosaurus combat fossil is faked

[coarse inlet]

From what I found looking into it, it's not entire fake

but is suspected to be touched up to make it more impressive

David Grossnickle, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Washington who also was not involved with the study, said that while in the “worst-case scenario,” parts of the fossil specimen might have been forged, the mammal skull biting into the dinosaur bone appears to be real, and that piece alone is “still an incredible fossil.”

[plush nacelle]

Dont care

Baby tacos

Must perish

[vital grove]

yeah that

[shell sonnet]

Maybe?

I don't know, that thing is smaller than Mononykus

[coarse inlet]

it's a tiny bit smaller than Velociraptor size

30 vs 33 lbs

it's low to the ground but bulky

[fresh ember]

Even then, it'll still be pretty easy to lose it in the grass.

Far more than Velociraptor.

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, plus there's burrowing potential. I think the vivarium is a better choice.

Mesozoic mammals are just too small to be full habitat animals.

[scarlet sky]

I managed to read R. giganteus as argentinosaurus at first, I sort of crossed your message with the one above and was all, no, argentinosaurus probably is a non-vivarium species…

[scarlet sky]

There’s a few big ones. By big I mean a metre long or so but that’s plenty big enough for a habitat.

[toxic oriole]

Doesnt matter.

People are gonna want it anyways

Myself included

And besides, Dreadnoughtus is smaller from what I know

yet still the most complete titanosaur out there

While still a giant, its not as big as Argent or some of the other giant sauropods

[peak hazel]

a second giant Titanosaur doesn't really feel needed yet

[scarlet sky]

You wouldn’t if the enclosures were set up well. Eg. PZ is full of animals those sizes and smaller.

Including burrowing ones.

Not to compare or anything, but it’s an example where small works ok.

[shell sonnet]

There really aren't; R. gianticus is already one of the largest Mesozoic mammals and is too small. Same with Patagomaia and Vintana. There are cynodonts that are big enough, but they aren't mammals, nor particularly fuzzy.

[scarlet sky]

Schowalteria are pretty big. So is kollikodon.

B. magnus.

[coarse inlet]

We don’t know how fuzzy cynodonts were

[scarlet sky]

Oh, I didn’t realise we were going specifically for fuzzy, I just want more synapsids.

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, no. As for the other two, kollikodon size estimate is all over the place, but never particularly large and Bubodens is a taxonomic mess.

[coarse inlet]

Regardless there are many Triassic cynodonts big enough for full exhibits

[scarlet sky]

I think that’s fine for a full habitat personally. I’d like to have small habitat animals that you can use as ‘filler habitats’.

[vital grove]

all very unique

[coarse inlet]

Cynognathus, Inpidens, Exaeretodon, Scalenodontoides

[toxic oriole]

Cynodonts or Diicynodonts or something?

Am I getting mixed up?

[coarse inlet]

Both but I was talking about cynodonts

[vital grove]

Trucidocynodon

[scarlet sky]

I’m actually more interested in the non-fuzzy ones. I’m not sure I’ve used any of the fuzzy creatures yet in PK. Unless feathers count as fuzz.

[toxic oriole]

You could say that

Though not really

I guess?

[scarlet sky]

But I’d take any. Fuzz or no fuzz. Whatever is going to be more popular.

[toxic oriole]

Unless you wanna count fuzzy feathers (or down feathers)

[scarlet sky]

I would have said fuzz was hair, but I’m not a fuzz expert.

[tough marsh]

theres a paper on this

[coarse inlet]

I’m aware, but while that’s a good starting point it doesn’t actually give a definitive answer

[tough marsh]

fair

[coarse inlet]

It’s better than no data but we can’t be 100% sure about the parietal foramen being a perfect indicator unless we get better soft tissue remains

[flint sable]

yes but they still probably hunted babies anyway

either way id like viv better anyway for reasons said above

[plush nacelle]

I would personally skip repeno

You have game where dinosaurs can finally interact with mammals and that one species, which is famous for eating dinosaurs is put in vivarium lmao

[left spear]

There's plenty of mammals that eat dinosaurs

[flint sable]

true but repeno does have a few other things going for it that most other mesozoic mammals dont

its the largest carnivorous one, largest non gondwanathere, and also has actually pretty decent remains

plus comes from an already existing formation

[shy vale]

but it being a vivarium species while psittacosaurus isn't...

[flint sable]

repeno has more to it than just eating baby dinos though

[vital grove]

rusingoryx with a crest similar to that of hadrosaurs

[warm ice]

Omnidens would be amazing, i really hope we get aquariums too

[vital grove]

i know these precambrian animals can look rather boring, but the models are very easy to create only needing a few animations. and they would add immensely to the biodiversity of the game. the crinoid like ones can have movement like modern sea annemones that they only very rarely use. all of these except kimberella at 15cm exceed 30cm with dickinsonia reaching over 1 meter. 1 dickinsonia 2 yorgia 3 Charniodiscus 4 charnia 5 kimberella

[toxic oriole]

Another problem is size, since some people are biased towards species that you ARE ABLE TO SEE WITHOUT OPTICAL AID...

[alpine thicket]

Cambrian is probably the earliest we would want to get.

Precambrian animals tend to be way too small.

[vital grove]

have you read the message alongside it dickinsonia 1.4 meters yorgia 30cm charniodiscus 50cm charnia 66cm diictodon is 40cm

[toxic oriole]

Oh wow, I'm now legally required to read every tiny little detail on someones message

Way to go!

[vital grove]

maybe before you say something you dont know anything about

[toxic oriole]

I don't need to do shit

Besides, too lazy to even read through most stuff

[vital grove]

these are big enough but you probably wont get a lot more than just these 4 maybe 5 species since kiberella is also quite simple so it might be possible

[toxic oriole]

In your view, perhaps

But not in others

[alpine thicket]

I mean I do think there's a place for very small creatures in like, animated placeable tanks but

[vital grove]

at some point we will probably get aquariums. they can work like the vivarium animals and idk what about 1.4 meters is small

if its to small diictodon wouldnt be in the game, i literally used diictodon as a size reference when picking these

again not a lot of precambrian life fits but some do. easy to model easy to animate and unique so its something they could easily add even though its fairly niche

[alpine thicket]

I actually do think stuff like charnia's not a terrible idea for "plants" for aquariums.

like these are the \viable ones.

[fiery crow]

lowkey had no idea Dickinsonia was that big ngl

[vital grove]

i think having them move around like some papers suggested by closing up and sometimes like each every few minutes moving to another spot doing the same awkward swim sea annemones do. would be cooler

[fiery crow]

as much as I’d like to see Spriggina for Precambrian rep
it’s tiny

[vital grove]

imagine them as animals that do this with cool colours

[vital grove]

i also only found that out today i was curious what the biggest precambrian animal was

then i realized they are actually big enough

[wary nacelle]

Seriously what did dickinsonia do

Like yes it’s the first animal and it’s not a bad suggestion

In fact I would like it

But what did it even do like actually

[flint sable]

disc

[wary nacelle]

Fai

[alpine thicket]

computer programming

dickinsonia were among the first game devs

[shy vale]

ediacaran creatures get way too little attention in paleomedia, that's why

[fallow knoll]

I would really like the following few species

Mamenchisaurus
Ceratosaurus
Corythosaurus
Pachycephalosaurus
Deinonychus
Pteranodon
Albertosaurus
Homalocephale
Kentrosaurus
Torosaurus

Ok it seems a random arrangement but it'll mean the game will then have all animals from the JP original trilogy and everyone from JPOG

If you also want the scrapped dinosaurs that aren't in yet, there's...
Alioramus
Chasmosaurus
Diplodocus
Ornithomimus
Panoplosaurus
Tenontosaurus
Thescelosaurus
Wuerhosaurus
Yangchuanosaurus

[shy vale]

why homalocephale and torosaurus?

[fallow knoll]

JPOG

Ik PK is trying to be its own thing but it has JPOG in its blood so it feels right

[shy vale]

i see

[hollow flower]

Aetodactylus would be nice

[fallow knoll]

I'd love Kunpengopterus antipollicatus

[autumn plover]

The game shouldn’t feel forced to follow JPOG religiously. Pentaceratops would be much better than Torosaurus, both long frilled ceratopsians but Penta is much more different compared to Triceratops

[alpine thicket]

Torosaurus is already really pretty different from Triceratops though.

[autumn plover]

Not really, same formation and time. Less overall differences than Pentaceratops

Besides if you choose to add a second Chasmosaurine, why would you choose one of the closest relatives of Triceratops?

[vital grove]

it did move and there are trace fossils and the movement seems very unique

again the animations and model are easy to produce while also adding some really cool biodiversity

[toxic oriole]

Heres a better question, why the hell not?

If it were me, I'd take both Penta and Toro

[feral cedar]

There are better chasmosaurines to add than Torosaurus

[toxic oriole]

-_-

toro downplay is insane...

[feral cedar]

Pentaceratops, Chasmosaurus, hell Regaliceratops is a better triceratopsin

[toxic oriole]

feels like a bias against toro...

[feral cedar]

It’s not a bias against toro, it’s a desire to see more diversity in a roster

[toxic oriole]

You're bound to have similar looking species anyways, diverse or not

even then, whilst looking similar they are rather different in their own regards

[feral cedar]

I wouldn’t necessarily be opposed to Torosaurus, but that dude has got to be the LAST ceratopsian they add through DLC or something

Because a slightly longer-frilled trike doesn’t have what it takes to be the second chasmosaur (Penta) or even third one (Chasmo)

And we’d benefit more from leptoceratopsids as well

Toro is the Daspleto of ceratopsians. Like, it could technically work but it’s very low priority relative to other species

[toxic oriole]

And yet Torosaurus needs more media depictions

Said to have the largest skull of all land animals or something

[feral cedar]

It’s got WWD, JPOG, and every JWE game. I think it’s doing well for itself

[desert flame]

If we were to add more bears to PK I would like Agrliarctos which is closer to the ancestor of the panda.

[vital grove]

are we? im pretty sure theres thousands of unique species that could be in the game that dont look like triceratops

[toxic oriole]

And then what, once you get all the unique looking ceratopsians, what next?

[left spear]

You could also like

Not add Toro in favour of non-ceratopians

There's not a ceratopsian quota

I'd want literally more than a hundred before Toro

[toxic oriole]

Typical thread moment, a group of people want diversity, one person tries to suggest something else, gets shot down because not unique and/or fragmentary and/or dubious

Spin a wheel and add what gets selected

Then someone starts nagging on the opinions of people (Myself, nagging on your guys' views and stuff)

[left spear]

This is a thread for suggestion and discussion

It is open for criticism

Everyone has different opinions and everyone has unpopular takes

Happens to everyone

It ain't that deep

[toxic oriole]

so much for an inclusive roster...

[left spear]

Adding yet another ceratopsian is anything but inclusive lmao

[toxic oriole]

Don't really care HOW they get added or whatever

Whether it be vivarium, exhibit, whatever

[peak hazel]

Our Ceratopsian roster is solid enough right now

We are missing a leptoceratopsid though

[toxic oriole]

That aint stopping people from wanting MORE

Maybe I'm just tired of peoples "Not unique enough" arguments against certain species

or maybe I'm just a glutton who can't even get enough

hell if I know

[left spear]

Toro itself is fine

But there's in my opinion (and if i had to guess most of the communities') more interesting species out there

I wouldn't mind it as a DLC species

[feral cedar]

PK is an indie game. We can't be sure of how many species the team can crank out. Many people want to prioritize animals that are more distinct from what we already have

Torosaurus is a Triceratops with a longer frill, from the same time period and same formation as the latter. As far as roster diversity goes, it's definitely at the bottom

[quick ore]

we'll never be at that point lol

that's what we are trying to say

we only have so many potential slots for new species

if we want to add more ceratopsians then we should focus on diversity so that said inclusions are worthwhile

[wild relic]

I'd take Centrosaurua, Diabloceratops and Pentaceratops

[feral cedar]

Torosaurus could be a fine addition, but only after the team has evened out ceratopsids with Chasmosaurus and Pentaceratops, and added a leptoceratopsid, and given us a vivarium ceratopsian (Yinlong FTW), and MAYBE toss in Zuniceratops as a cute lil dude. Only after all of these have been added do I think Torosaurus would NOT be a waste

[wild relic]

Fellow Penta enjoyer my man 😎

[feral cedar]

Hell yeah

[quick ore]

at that point you have to consider if the game should really be adding more ceratopsians at all over the multitude of completely absent clades in game

which should be another consideration

like would the game be better off adding Torosaurus or could time be better spent adding something like Homalodotherium or Scutosaurus?

[feral cedar]

Yeah that's a very big point of contention

[shell sonnet]

For what it's worth, I imagine the devs going for Toro on the grounds that a) it would be easy to do and b) being a decent seller based on name power. I don't agree but you can't discount it.

[quick ore]

actually wait serious question; is the game going to add a new "Paleozoic" category for fossil plants once Paleozoic exhibit species get added?

[feral cedar]

If we had a second chasmosaurine instead of Nasutoceratops I'd probably be completely fine with ceratopsians never being touched again up until DLCs come out and they add like, Udanoceratops or something

[tulip umbra]

How should we even know? The best answer ur gonna get is maybe.

[ancient ibex]

I hope so, but we shall see down the line

[buoyant zephyr]

Ive been pondering something:

We know that in u17 there will be 4 carnivores, 4 herbivores and 2 frugivores. Those two herbivores fit well with the 2 stego species, and we could confidently guess that allo will ocuppy those 4 carnie slots. But with the frugivores, we have no idea. Most people guess it could be pachy, due to the fact that Mau had a specific denial moment.

Then in u18, because bary is already confirmed, it gives credibility to the roadmap where it appears along ambulocetus and deinosuchus.

Other than that, u19 is the most misterious, other than utah being confirmed and kelenken semi confirmed, alongside possibly carno, edmontonia, megatherium and doedicurus. We know more vivariums are coming, but there's only 2 insectivores that could possibly be them, the herbivores making the new additional additions rather in the air

So, any ideas? Something I missed?

[ancient ibex]

Even if Edmontonia involves all 3 species, there is still 2 unaccounted for herbivores, and that's before pondering potential Megatherium alts

I'm expecting at least Leptictidium, Meganeura and Arthropleura as vivarium animals for full release

[eager thunder]

any potential neogene rep?

cause all we have is a Sino

[tidal estuary]

Anurognathus for viv

[ancient ibex]

Kelenken

Pliocene stuff is lowkey modern after all

The periods of the cenozoic are quite bullshit IMO

[quick ore]

there's so much you can add from just Miocene South America alone

[shy vale]

chalicotheres in general would be a massive add

[eager thunder]

is neogene a part of the miocene

i may be dumb

[shy vale]

other way around

miocene is part of the neogene

[eager thunder]

ah

[shy vale]

i think sinotherium and peltephilus are the only ones so far iirc

as for other neogene animals, i think purussaurus and barinasuchus were in the miocene

[toxic oriole]

Yeah it was

[shy vale]

i got a suggestion for a potential arborial animal: proconsul

[quick ore]

I made an entire miocene SA list before

.

[shy vale]

interesting list

[fiery crow]

Quiverzz’s Daily Suggestions list (January):
HABITAT:

• Anteosaurus magnificus
• Bohra paulae
• Gigantspinosaurus sichuanensis
• Hemicyon sansaniensis
• Kosmodraco dakotensis (alt. species magnicornis)
• Manis palaeojavanica
• Megalotragus kattwinkeli
• Pavo bravardi
• Regaliceratops peterhewsi
• Rusingoryx atopocranion
• Shunosaurus lii
• Teyumbaita sulcognathus
• Titanotylopus nebraskensis
• Xenokeryx amidalae

AQUARIUM:

• Abyssosaurus nataliae
• Alienacanthus malkowskii
• Ankylorhiza tiedemani
• Brachiosuchus kabanishensis
• Megalampris kayesi
• Onchorhynchus rastrosus
• Parapuzosia seppenradensis
• Xiphiorhynchus rotundus

AVIARY:

• Buteogallus daggetti
• Istiodactylus latidens
• Thalassodromeus sethi

VIVARIUM:

• Austrolimulus fletcheri
• Coelacanthus granulatus
• Desmodus draculae
• Dollocaris ingens
• Doswellia kaltenbachi
• Grallistrix geleches
• Mesolimulus walchi
• Teraterpeton hyrnewichorum

[eager thunder]

Isn’t pelt in the same era as the Juxia and such?

[shy vale]

juxia is earlier

[eager thunder]

Wait the game categorizes them in the same era

Is the game just wrong or

[plush nacelle]

In game pelte is from miocene

[sinful coyote]

peltephilus as a genus got its start in the oligocene and went extinct in the miocene

both the Oligocene (peltephilus) and the Eocene (juxia) are part of the Paleogene

ingame peltephilus is a bit weird in that it's listed as P. ferox but it's found in the collon cura formation, which has other peltephilus species but not ferox as far as i know

[shell sonnet]

The devs probably made an error, Diplocaulus is incorrect

[fallow knoll]

I think the only animal I'm really begging on my knees for at this point is Deinonychus because it's one of my personal favorites

Also, it, Velociraptor, and Utahraptor would fit nicely together

Like a progression of size

[toxic oriole]

Utahraptor be coming to EA at some point

or even on full release day

uncertain

Deinonychus is something that should show up

[fallow knoll]

Also Ceratosaurus to compliment Allosaurus

[scarlet sky]

Justice for the ‘small’ creatures.

[vital grove]

100% if its bigger than diictodon it will work, maybe even smaller since something like kimberella would just look like a colourful slug anyway. you could just have a lot of small colourful things slowly moving around a tank. not that exciting but cheap to make in terms of models and animations and nice for the people who value diversity

[scarlet sky]

I find small animals good for those annoying gaps where you need something but can’t fit in a 400+ metre square enclosure and can’t fit in a rigid cuboid. The smaller animals are also more attainable and more realistic for the majority of places keeping animals in captivity and lots of people like to do more realistic builds. I also feel that if an animal of a similar or smaller size can work in Planet Zoo, then it can work in Prehistoric Kingdom (eg. prairie dogs are maybe the smallest habitat animals and dart frogs are maybe the smallest exhibit animals). I get that the big animals have more appeal to the masses, so if big sells then big it is, I just would like more smaller critters.

[vital grove]

completely agree on this, on top of that small animals can be unique and cool even though they arent atleast 1 tonne in size.... and these precambrian animals would use 2 maybe 3 base models if we include kimberella with simple movement animations and a simple to create model. yeah they arent a t rex but they would be fun and it would make the game one of the first if not the first game with these species. and it would give the devs 4 or 5 species for the production price of 1 big one

[scarlet sky]

It’s hard to run a park with things like t rex too, or I assume it is, I’ve never actually had one. But they’re a large carnivore so that’s a lot on food costs alone. Then there’s the habitat size, length of strong barriers (and stand-off fencing if you’re going for realism) and filling a large habitat, placing more donation bins and education around a large perimeter, making sure your guests can actually have a chance of seeing them. I figure they’re like keeping a polar bear.

[vital grove]

like they could put all large precambrian species in 1 small update and it probably wont cost as much work as making the t rex model

[scarlet sky]

I’m not offended by reskins myself (so long as they don’t end up actually looking different from the animal they’re meant to be) but I reckon you’d get away with it more in exhibit species too.

[vital grove]

yeah but you shouldnt need this much justification to put a small species in the game being interesting has nothing to do with size and im happy stuff like tiktaalik made the game

[scarlet sky]

I’m genuinely over the moon they did.

[vital grove]

yeah me neither especially if we have 4 to maybe 7 species from the precambrian large enough. i just hope they treat them like animals and give the plant like ones moving parts and bright colours while having a rare movement animation similar to a sea annemone it would make them feel more like animals and bright feather like colourful moving structures dont seem boring at all to me

[vital grove]

i love the movement they have on land

[vital grove]

idk what to call them but imagine the leave like structures moving side to side in a wave like motion to catch water and add some bright nice colours to that

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-out-meme-sea-anemone-anemone-weird-fish-gif-7067162721216971338

[vital grove]

and every couple of minutes not often they move like this

[scarlet sky]

I’ve always felt they’d be more like a sea pen than an anemone, so today I’ve learned they shimmied.

Not that sea pens never move. They’re just generally sessile.

[flint sable]

omg this gives me a horrible spec evo idea

this thing but somehow converges on fish

[fiery crow]

two days without Quiverrz’s daily suggestions
I hope he’s doin alright

[fallow knoll]

What's the biggest animal that can be in a vivarium

Hypothetically

[flint sable]

I would say at the current size

realistically

Koolasuchus

it would not be a good life nor a very interesting animal in a vivarium; but it could work

[fiery crow]

Doswellia maybe?

[outer crater]

Koolasuchus would deserve to be full enclosure

[silver steeple]

Titanoboa

Or if you want something that's not in the game, Vasuki

[slow shoal]

at a certain size range vivariums become less about size and more about functionality

[alpine thicket]

A lot of temnospondyls seemingly did not have a larval stage, so that's not necessarily a concern with them.

[left spear]

And even then

Skip the larval stage

Not like PK has newborns after all

I will fight anyone who thinks Priono should be a viv

[open heron]

People need to remember we have nests in the game.
Just add a pond nest for the animals that need it.

Might be a bit tough to get the water looking right but just have those nests and let amphibians (and Hibber!) use it

when the animal reaches its first terrestrail stage then it 'hatches'

[left spear]

Peak idea ngl

[outer moth]

Priono should be in an Aquarium tho

Since I don't think it can go on land

Not a viv, but an aquarium

[buoyant zephyr]

What slots do you think they will take?

[left spear]

I'd argue it should be a semi-terrestrial

Like Archelon and that type of stuff

It could probably still drag itself if it needed to

But yeah wait for aquatics first

[cosmic cosmos]

well, assuming deino is in u18, lets see how it works

if it can do more than surface swim the behaviour can be copied over and used for prino or koola, just with less interest in going on land

[flint sable]

really?

its legs dont even reach the floor last I checked

ok nvm they do

[ancient ibex]

2 insectivores and a herbivore

Visual reminder of how easily Giga and Carcha would work as alts

[desert flame]

It would be great if we could reuse the mammoth rig and add more elephant.
I'd also like a primitive elephant like Eritherium.
I'm excited to see the previously planned additions of the Mastodon and Columbian Mammoth, possibly after EA.

[left spear]

Or as a proxy so other things can be added

[feral cedar]

nah giga is cool

and honestly inevitable

It’s a very low effort animal with insane popularity

no reason for devs to not make easy money with Giganotosaurus

[desert flame]

We need South American Animals DLC

[shadow berry]

Replying to this because I’d like to add these to the list (whether it becomes DLC or free):

• Pachycephalosaurus wyomingensis
• Archeroraptor temertyorum

[eager thunder]

Prototaxites as a brush or something

Something horrific like that

[eager thunder]

Pachy is assumed to be coming next update

[fiery crow]

ngl I wasn’t expecting some people to still be interested in my DLC lists

[shadow berry]

I’ve started building a full-map Hell Creek Formation preserve in homage to Saurian

so more Hell Creek critters to fill out the ecosystem would be awesome

[desert flame]

It will probably be treated the same as ancient plants.

[eager thunder]

Now I’m wondering how the hell these things, ate?

[shadow berry]

A quick googling and- good heavens these are some old and fascinating creatures

[eager thunder]

I love my ancient werdios

[quick ore]

you missed Numidotherium

which is a good deal more unique than a lot of these

[vital grove]

i really hope we get both p namadicus and falconeri would be a hilarious alternate species

[vital grove]

apparently a recent study concluded these are not mushrooms but actually a completely unidentified lifeform that doesnt fit into any currently living groups

[scarlet sky]

Into protists you go.

[outer moth]

Honestly I prefer Giga over Carch anytime

[ancient ibex]

Tyrannosaurus vs Tarbosaurus kind of discussion ngl

[slim flare]

Ok but Tyrannosaurus always wins

[slim flare]

Based on what? Vibes?

[ancient ibex]

What are you trying to argue?

[outer moth]

It’s Carch but his fossil track record’s more clean

[slim flare]

Idk what we know of Carch tbh

[outer moth]

Me when my main holotype gets redescribed to a whole new species

[slim flare]

That’s more of Giga than I thought existed

[ancient ibex]

Very similar animals, but that one is slighty larger, has more elaborated head ornamentation, and has better remains

[slim flare]

And a chin

[outer moth]

(Cough cough Carch cough cough)

[ancient ibex]

Restoring Carcha without a chin is a meme

[slim flare]

I mean that’s false

Holotype was a tooth

[ancient ibex]

No

[outer moth]

Then what the hell is Tameryraptor meant to be?

[ancient ibex]

Those were lectotypes

of saharicus

[slim flare]

^

[slim flare]

Referred remains

[ancient ibex]

Holotype of Carcharodontosaurus as a genus is now Tameryraptor AFAIR

[outer moth]

That’s what I’m sayin

[ancient ibex]

Fucking mess all in all

[slim flare]

I forgot the teeth was like Megalosaurus or some wastebasket genus

[ancient ibex]

Yep

[outer moth]

Carch literally took “the chair” as it saw it’s remains get taxonomically scrambled

[ancient ibex]

Megalosaurus saharicus

utterly lost teeth as well

And geologically older than either the Stromer or Sereno specimens anyway

Carcharodontosaurines as a whole are cool fwiw

[outer moth]

Giga’s like, the last large Carch we ever need

In terms of roster

After that we’re good, chief

[ancient ibex]

The good timeline has Giga announced for U9, and then, in the surprise Spinosaurus trailer, Carcha is confirmed as an alt

Alas, that didn't happen, and the functional alt that is Giga keeps popping up lol

[outer moth]

Too late to wish on timelines, it looks like Giga’s gonna have to be DLC now

At least I’m confident in that cuz devs actually are making profits now

[shell sonnet]

The devs tend to be a lot more alt shy than I think they should be. There's no reason we couldn't have gotten Giraffititan alongside Brachi or Citapti along with Ovi (and as of now, it seems likely we won't get Sucho as an alt for Bary), but here we are.

[ancient ibex]

On the other hand, next update is happening

[left spear]

Sucho is not that great of an alt to bary

Besides i think that sucho should be an all or nothing

And it's really good DLC material

[shell sonnet]

Yes, but those are also alt species as opposed to alt generas. The former are common.

[ancient ibex]

Sucho is an excellent alt for Baryonyx, there is a reason Baryonyx tenerensis was taken relatively seriously

[shell sonnet]

I should add I'm aware what counts as a genera is flimsy at times

[ancient ibex]

People really overestimate how different spinosaurids are, when we basically are making up a model for each subfamily, all by frankesteining stuff together

[shell sonnet]

The poster child being different in a very visually way does not help things.

[ancient ibex]

And, honestly, most spinosaurines would be similar anyway

Sails galore wouldn't surprise me at all with the stuff we have from SEA

[abstract compass]

[vital grove]

if you really think about it its always flimsy gotta love biology

if you are the first in your genus and your last descendants are more distant to you than your last ancestor which is in a different genus then where do you fall

[ancient ibex]

S'all a continuum

[toxic oriole]

Not even sure if Ceratosuchops and Riparovenator should be alts of each other

or could

[vital grove]

i genuinely think suchomimus baryonix and spinosaurus are more than enough representation for the spinosaurids unless there is some weirdo im unaware of

[toxic oriole]

There are other spinosaurids out there
And irritators the smallest of them

Some spinosaurids do have weird sail shapes

or shapes in general

[ancient ibex]

We literally have enough material for 2 spinosaurid shapes

[toxic oriole]

Anyways, Icthyovenator is one of those odd Spinosaurs, mainly because of the shape of the back sails or whatever its called

sails? probably

Or at least the primary example of a weird Spinosaurid

🤷‍♀️

[ancient ibex]

No

The weird shape mostly comes for not accounting for distorsion

As in a side view of the specimen shows a spine bent sideways

Baryonychines don't have the cheek region, or the jaw joint, preserved

That's all Irritator for spinosauridae

[vital grove]

irritator could fit i guess but thats 4 and more than enough for these guys

[ancient ibex]

Ichthyovenator is ass, literally. With associated stuff that shows Spinosaurus not being that weird

[vital grove]

damn those 2 spines in the middle have weird shapes

[shell sonnet]

Irritator is not needed; I could think of so many animals that should come before it

[abstract compass]

i do like the oddly squared snout of irritator.

[vital grove]

its not needed but i personally wouldnt mind seeing it as a filler species in a dlc that reuses an old model

[shell sonnet]

Those are the bent ones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthyovenator

The twelfth dorsal spine is bent sideways when viewed front-to-back due to taphonomic distortion. The centra (vertebral bodies) of the sacrals are largely incomplete due to erosion, but preserved all of their accompanying spines with their upper edges intact. At the time of Ichthyovenator's description, excavations at the site were still ongoing.[

[ancient ibex]

They are bent out of shape

Irritator is this

[vital grove]

i mainly meant how wide they become to the top

[abstract compass]

Irritator had the very weird jaw too.

like

it splays out

[ancient ibex]

You can get a good look at an animal out of Spinosaurus, Irritator and Ichthyovenator; you can get a good look at an animal out of Baryonyx, Suchomimus and Ripariovenator; and you can fill stuff from either from the other, but, don't oversaturate spinosaurids, they are barely better understood than megaraptors

[ancient ibex]

No

It is the ONLY spinosaurid jaw joint known, and cranial kinensis when opening the mouth is not "weird snake jaw only known in this animal"

[abstract compass]

ok.

[ancient ibex]

A complete spinosaurid skull would be a revolution in how we understand these animals, I'm not kidding

[vital grove]

from what i understand 4 could be in the game but the others are just so fragmentary they arent even really worth mentioning. and tbh 3 would be enough with irritator being a decent option for a later dlc

[ancient ibex]

2 is enough, if anything alts could do it

Grab Spinosaurus, make one that doesn't grow beyond 7 meters, you have Irritator

[toxic oriole]

Don't get why Suchomimus would be an alt for Baryonyx if they didnt even live THAT close to it

[left spear]

A basal one would be very useful aswell

[shell sonnet]

I'd only really want Sucho if it came as an alt; there's just so many clades including in Dinosauria that have no reps that I want dev time focused on instead

[left spear]

Imagine if Ostafrika wasn't literally nothing

[toxic oriole]

Doesnt seem like Barys gonna be getting any alts, so uhhh

[ancient ibex]

What the hell does "living close to it" have to do with it

[vital grove]

yeah ofc as alts they can reuse the same 2 models for all 4 species easily.

[toxic oriole]

Oh NOW people choose to say "Doesnt matter if they never lived close enough to each other"

Good grief...

[ancient ibex]

Still salty at Smash Ultimate not having echoes as extra DLC, bwahaha

[vital grove]

but tbh i expect any future dlcs to have both alts for existing models and new models

[ancient ibex]

Tarbosaurus and Tyrannosaurus

[toxic oriole]

I saw someone say that it wouldnt even make sense for Giraffatitan to be an alt of Brachiosaurus

[vital grove]

editing up some old models for new species still adds very nicely to the biodiversity and are easy to produce

[toxic oriole]

because "they were not even close to each other"

[ancient ibex]

Closely related ffs

[toxic oriole]

Oh I see how it is

Tarbo and Tyrannosaurus are closely related, yet so far away from each other physically...

But when it comes to Giraffatitan and Brachiosaurus, or certain animals...

[vital grove]

the eurasian brown bear and grizzly are also very far apart physically and yet the same species

[shell sonnet]

I have no clue who or what you are complaining about

[toxic oriole]

Citipati ALSO could've been an alt for Oviraptor, but NOOOOO someone said that it wouldnt matter or something

[vital grove]

i do hope they do more alternate genera instead of more species from one genus

[shy vale]

or shantungosaurus as an alt for edmontosaurus (instead of that alaskan edmontosaur that actually isn't even its own genus most likely), or zhuchengtyrannus as a 3rd alt for t rex and tarbosaurus, or magnapaulia as an alt for lambeosaurus

[abstract compass]

the alt system has its limitations too.

[shell sonnet]

Oh magnapaulia wouldn't work as an alt; the spine is different

[abstract compass]

very easy to daydream whatifs.

[toxic oriole]

Tbh, they already got the dubious ugruunaluk as an alt for Edmontosaurus even if its just Annectens 2

[shy vale]

or vivarium alts in general

[toxic oriole]

Yet is that gonna stop people? Nope!

[vital grove]

this one legit could be an alt for oviraptor though should have more to do with general body plan than anything else since they need to change the model to represent the animal anyway. planet zoo does it all the time

[toxic oriole]

Thats Lambeosaurus...

[shy vale]

like sinosauropteryx as an alt for compsognathus would've been something

[shell sonnet]

The left one isn't

Cory works as a better alt for Lambe

[toxic oriole]

I've yet to see someone who genuinely thinks Shri could be an alt to Velociraptor

When even I know that wouldn't be the case

[shy vale]

i threw it out there tbh

but that was just spitballing

i would've done a luanchuanraptor alt for velociraptor tbh

[toxic oriole]

And I'm not talking rapax specifically, moreso the entire genus of Shri

even if its just two of them

[shy vale]

another vivarium alt would've been shuuvia for mononykus

[ancient ibex]

TTBT, Cory+Lambeo on a side, and Hypacro incluiding the giants on the other, could work

[toxic oriole]

And Mamenchisaurus has like... I don't remember, 8 members of the genus or something?

It cant be an alt anyways

[shy vale]

i was thinking that there would be a mamenchisaurus and then wamwercaudia as an alt

[toxic oriole]

Was probably made into 9 recently, or its still 8

[shy vale]

it's 8

and that was actually recent

[toxic oriole]

Get the smallest mamenchisaurus member and the largest mamenchisaurus member...

[shell sonnet]

I agree, but honestly, I would prefer more Saurolophines over Lambeosaurs. Maia, Saurolophus, and Krito need love.

[vital grove]

why not the largest and another genus from its family would add way more value tbh

[toxic oriole]

Given the whole likely thing that someone said regarding Mamenchisaurus being... lumping?

[shy vale]

i suggested wamwercaudia because it would add more tendaguru representation

[toxic oriole]

Lumping material from something to another? I know someone said that

[shy vale]

wastebasket taxon

[toxic oriole]

Don't remember

Dreadnoughtus would be fair, though SOMEONE said We already have Argentinosaurus

That wasnt gonna stop people from asking for it anyways, and theres a demand for em anyway

[shy vale]

i would say maiasaura, saurolophus (both species), and kritosaurus would be good adds

i would also add shantungosaurus as an edmontosaurus alt, and maybe, if possible, secernosaurus/huallasaurus as an alt for kritosaurus?

[shy vale]

i remember i said that

[toxic oriole]

Tbh oreo, that argument wasnt gonna stop people from suggesting Dreadnoughtus schrani anyways

And from what some people have said, theres already a demand for the most complete titanosaur or something

[vital grove]

talking about alts a nice future alt for doedicurus would be Panochthus. kinda gives me the same vibe as stegouros

[quick ore]

I think we should get Doedicurus and Glyptodon at least

[shy vale]

yeah i know

[shell sonnet]

Grypo would be the ideal alt for Krito, in my mind. It would add something for Two Medicine alongside Maia. I'm not sure how well Secerno/Hualla work as alts for Krito given they're not part of the same tribe

[shy vale]

fair enough

[quick ore]

has a similar dichotomy to ankylosaurids and nodosaurs

[toxic oriole]

From what some people have said, Dreadnoughtus is smaller than Argentinosaurus

Or from some size comparisons

[shy vale]

what about glyptotherium instead of glyptodon?

[toxic oriole]

Not sure what the most accurate size comparison between the two is

[shy vale]

or a 3rd glyptodont?

because that was the only one that was found in north america

[shell sonnet]

Those can be alts of each other

[shy vale]

fair enough, that could work

[shell sonnet]

I see no reason to choose one over the other

[toxic oriole]

Always found it strange that some non-titanosaurian sauropods dwarf some large titanosaurs

Come to think of it, did anything noteworthy ever live with Dreadnoughtus?

Or was it just by itself?

[shy vale]

orkoraptor, a megaraptoran, and talenkauen, a elasmarian; also some other titanosaurus

[ancient ibex]

We already have 2 elasmarians

But the long ones would be cool

Still, more ornithopod diversity wouldn't hurt

[vital grove]

Hyperodapedon

[vital grove]

Proterosuchus

[rigid spindle]

He looks like he wants my emeralds

[scarlet sky]

Is there a list somewhere of all the suggestions?

[silver steeple]

Given there's over 91,000 messages here, I think that would frankly be impossible

But if you have an animal in mind, chances are its already been suggested at some point

[scarlet sky]

Some people be crazy though.

[vast berry]

Top 15 Pterosaurs I want to see:

• 1. Pteranodon
• 2. Quetzalcoatlus
• 3. Tupandactylus
• 4. Anurognathus
• 5. Peteinosaurus
• 6. Pterodaustro
• 7. Dsungaripterus
• 8. Ornithocheirus
• 9. Rhamphorynchus
• 10. Dimorphodon
• 11. Hatzegopteryx
• 12. Sordes
• 13. Barbaridactylus
• 14. Thanatosdrakon
• 15. Cearadactylus

[mint creek]

Trade Hateg or Peteino for Dsungaripterus and I'd agree totally with this list

[shell sonnet]

No to Ornithocheirus, all reconstructions of it are based on Tropeognathus. Also we don't know if Barbaridactylus had a head crest like Nyctosaurus did. I also support Jeholpterus over Anurognathus, given the former is larger and thus easier to see.

[feral cedar]

Replace Ornithocheirus for Tropeognathus, Nyctosaurus for Barbaridactylus, and this is a great list. Also, Cearadactylus is dubious. Its remains have been assigned to Brasileodactylus

[fiery crow]

I feel like most people only want Ornithocheirus because of its portrayal in WwD

[shell sonnet]

Which again, is based on what is now Tropeognathus. People need to stop focusing too much on names.

Also
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeEaCjefDpH8edx3Y-aKESFRT7rIXZPyN4dQ4YMVWwTsx1UWg/viewform?usp=header

[mint creek]

For some reason I thought Tropeognathus was a nomen novum to Ornitho

[shell sonnet]

We already have 32 dinos (not counting alts) in the game, plus 5 more coming. 40 would not be enough.
I stand by the divide of:
50 non-avian dinos
25 non-recently cenozoics
10 Paleozoics
10 non-dinosaur Mesozoics
5 Recently extinct
for full habitat animals

I've also had people tell me that 10 was too many for both paleozoics or non-dinosaur Mesozoics. I don't agree.

[left spear]

That's like

Extremely few

I could think of 15 mesos right now without thinking for a second

And i could probably list 60 paleozoics

[shell sonnet]

That does include vivarium and aquatics

[left spear]

Also i feel like i'm gonna struggle of thinking of 50 dinosaurs unless you can put alts in there

[shell sonnet]

The 50 dinos include ones already in the game

You just need to think of 13

[left spear]

Oh lmao

Then it's gonna be hard actually

Ideally i'd want around 30 more dinos

[shell sonnet]

I could think of more than 50 dinos I want but I wanted the total number of habitat animals to equal 100.

[desert flame]

It would be good if there was a good balance of animal populations in the Cenozoic era.

[mint creek]

Why did you want an exact 100

[shell sonnet]

Because it's a good round number

[mint creek]

Would you oppose 101 animals in game

[shell sonnet]

Of course not

[left spear]

What about 156

[shell sonnet]

But you got to draw the line somewhere for a poll.

[left spear]

Make It 1000 so i can dedicate 300 slots to identical trilobite species

[mint creek]

Hell yeah

and 100 birds

[shell sonnet]

All of them recently extinct

[left spear]

Would Mekosuchus be a viv?

[plush nacelle]

Depends on reconstruction

[shell sonnet]

And the species

[left spear]

New caledonian

[desert flame]

Both vivarium and regular are possible.

[plush nacelle]

This animal scale between 1m and 2m due to how fragmentary it is

[left spear]

Gonna be hopeful and say habitat

[plush nacelle]

The funny thing is I read recently we found fossil bonebed of them in cave, but person responsible for research changed profession from paleontology to cosmology

And dropped work

[shell sonnet]

It's a fine line, I try to use Mononykus as a metric

[desert flame]

So does that mean all these dinosaurs will be vivarium?

[lean hound]

What is going on with that text

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, I decreed Stegourus is a viviarium animal.

[shell sonnet]

I had to remove the white background to overlay the two images

[desert flame]

It seems odd to imagine a stegouros as a vivarium animal.

[mint creek]

Yeah I think it works as an exhibit animal

[feral cedar]

Same goes for Barbaridactylus in Prehistoric Planet

[plush nacelle]

I think in game mono is smaller than that

[shell sonnet]

I would have thought the same about Mononkyus but here we are

[feral cedar]

I'm pretty sure Stegouros is a lil larger than that

[mint creek]

Well being in the vivarium isn't just about size

but about how difficult it would be to implement ontogny and baby models which is my understanding of why Mono is in the vivariums

[feral cedar]

I read somewhere that Stegouros could get to like, 1.8 - 2 meters in length. It is an animal as long as a person is tall

[mint creek]

Stegouros would be far easier to create and model a baby than Mono

[plush nacelle]

I think mononykus is simply there, becaue at one point vivs were supposed to free roam

But plans changed and mono stayed as viv

[mint creek]

That could also be it, I'm just going off memory

I'd still strongly say Stegouros should be exhibit

[feral cedar]

Here is my SOURCE (the 2021 paper describing Stegouros)

Considering how Stegouros was given a length of around 2 meters that means that it shares the length ballpark with Velociraptor, but of course a 2-meter-long ankylosaur is going to be WAY larger than a 2-meter-long dromaeosaur

And if Velociraptor works as a full exhibit animal then Stegouros definitely does

[mint creek]

Exhibit 100%

I don't think Mono is a good base line for what should be a vivarium species because more factors went into that than it's size

[feral cedar]

Yeah

I do think it'd be nice to get an alvarezsaur that gets to be full exhibit

Bonapartenykus, anyone?

[shell sonnet]

Based on the estimation they gave in the skeletal, 2m is incorrect. That thing is about 150cm in length and about 50cm in height.

I'll have to check Mono's size later today

[desert flame]

Still, it's a size suitable for regular exhibit.

[feral cedar]

Yeah

Personally more partial towards Kunbarrasaurus to get more aussie herbis to live with mutta and leaelly

[left spear]

True and Alvarez-pilled

[left spear]

That took a while

Like 70% of my vivs are REs

[shell sonnet]

You didn't have to do it all in one go. You can come back later and edit it.

[ancient ibex]

Stegouros is an animal far larger than Mononykus

Mono is quite small bodied

[eager thunder]

Is it possible by U19 dinosaurs won’t be in quite as much of a majority as they are or is that just wishful thinking

I love dinosaurs but i sometimes wish they didn’t outnumber ever other animal clade so heavily

[plush nacelle]

My biggest wish is probably few dryo-tier mammals so mammal run is more believable than starting with lion

[scarlet sky]

Thank you! I knew there would be a list kept somewhere, but was genuinely considering going through all 91k posts myself 😆

[quick ore]

yes please

like an oreodont, small SANU, or a primitive horse of some kind

[fallow knoll]

For pterosaurs, I'd like at least these ones
Pteranodon (both species)
Dimorphodon
Rhamphorhynchus
Tapejara
Quetzalcoatlus
Tropeognathus

[slim flare]

Pretty much, yeah

[fiery crow]

Interatherium or whatever it’s called

[left spear]

Pterodaustro 🥀 🥀

[fiery crow]

did I get that right

[left spear]

Jeholo and Dsunga aswell

[left spear]

Notoungulates are cool

[fiery crow]

I think it was semi-aquatic too iirc

[left spear]

I can also think of Thomashuxleya and obviously Toxodon

[fiery crow]

Granastrapo?

Macrauchenia

[left spear]

Not notoungulates

But cool still

But tbh just do Atrapo itself, maybe Grana as an alt

[tulip umbra]

Can also confirm 1.5m is accurate, but id argue not vivarium. Its wider, slower and has more mass than mononykus by a lot.

Most of all it would look out of place in a vivarium

[left spear]

Stego is like 30 kg aswell

Heavier than velo

[shy vale]

replace ornithocheirus with tropeognathus, barbaridactylus should be an alt for nyctosaurus, remove thanastodrakon and cearadactylus

those 2 should be replaced with a targaryendraconid (maybe aussiedraco for australian representation) and a istiodactylid

[shy vale]

for notoungulates i would want at least toxodon (mixotoxodon alt), one of those that resemble rabbits

[left spear]

Interatherium

[quick ore]

Ferrodraco would be better

it's the most complete australian pterosaur

[shy vale]

i see

maybe replace aussiedraco with barbosania

also what about thalassodromeus?

[quick ore]

I think Kunpengopterus would be perfect as a viv species

[shy vale]

it also has an opposable thumb so that could be interesting

[feral cedar]

ngl Barbaridactylus as a Nyctosaurus alt could maybe work

[buoyant zephyr]

Do you know how difficult non dinosaur Mesozoics were without aquatics or fliers

[tidal estuary]

just all the triassic crocs and fake crocs

was there any terrestrial ,non viv ,non dinosaurs from the jurassic and cretaceous?

[eager thunder]

deinosuchus

[tidal estuary]

ah more crocs ofc

[quick ore]

that's basically just crocs yeah

[left spear]

Koolasuchus

And uh

That's about it

[eager thunder]

Some mammals too

[left spear]

Gargantuavis ig but good luck finding what the hell that thing looks like

[left spear]

Even the biggest fit better as vivs tbh

[eager thunder]

Eh, tru

[left spear]

Repeno and Castoro could be hábitat but they just fit better as vivs

[shell sonnet]

Not really, I can think of about 25 with little issue.

[buoyant zephyr]

I want them unique

[slim flare]

Not at all? Pseudosuchians alone

Or watch WWD New Blood

Hell, the Chinle in general

[buoyant zephyr]

A few like those

But I have my priorities

[plush nacelle]

Ngl, I could name far far more animals from cenozoic, which I would like

Australia alone took 4 spots on that list

[slim flare]

Only 4?

[plush nacelle]

To be fair I could pick about 17?

[slim flare]

5 is ideal, not counting Thylacine because RE

[plush nacelle]

Was thinking about big bird tho

[slim flare]

I was

[eager thunder]

Australia is such a great spot for extinct weirdos

[slim flare]

Thylacoleo
Diprotodon
Procoptodon
Megalania
Genyornis

[eager thunder]

Quinkana my beloved

[slim flare]

Meh

[eager thunder]

Meh?

[slim flare]

Oops all skull material

[eager thunder]

Massive Galloping crocodiles is a meh

[plush nacelle]

Quinkana was smoll

[eager thunder]

I really don’t care about fossil material anymore when it comes to this game, Quinka as we think it was would be really cool for this game

[slim flare]

“Massive” 6 feet long
“Galloping” based on nothing

[eager thunder]

I mean massive relatively

[plush nacelle]

This one is better

[slim flare]

Bruh

[eager thunder]

What

[slim flare]

Try this

[eager thunder]

Ok I can’t be blamed when this is the first result on Google

Or maybe I can be I duno

[eager thunder]

This would still be cool imo

[slim flare]

It would be meh

Because it’s poorly known and there’s a billion better known and more unique pseudosuchians out there

Which we currently have 1 of

[shell sonnet]

Wow, it's almost like a 100 non-alt habitat animals is too small to capture the massive diversity of extinct life though realistically, we'd be lucky if the devs got that to that many.

[eager thunder]

Ok any galloping crocodiles would be cool I just like quinkana personally

[left spear]

Tbh there's more interesting Pleistocene crocodiles let alone Australian animals in general

[slim flare]

I don’t think we have any evidence it galloped, but it’s possible

[eager thunder]

For some reason I get attached to these weirdly nothing extinct animals

[left spear]

For pleistocene crocodiles i'd rather have Voay, Mekosuchus or Hanyusuchus

[left spear]

Every one has those

[slim flare]

Voay and the Chinese gharial are probably the best exhibit Late Pleistocene-Holocene crocodilians

[left spear]

I really like Lythronax for some reason

[eager thunder]

I still remember the Taurtersheep incident

[left spear]

Lol

[eager thunder]

Despite it all I am still the number one and only Taurtersheep fan

[left spear]

Hanyu i would really like for RE tbh

[eager thunder]

And maybe it’s just a skull, maybe it’s smaller than every photo shows it to be for some reason but I like the Quinkana

[left spear]

As the "aquatic" animal since Steller is out of the question

[quick ore]

we have no idea what it was

[left spear]

I think the point has been hammered

[quick ore]

Quinkana is a bottom of the barrel choice for Australia

[quick ore]

these are all great but this list could easily be doubled and you would still have a lot of variety

[eager thunder]

Why is it so oversized in a majority of photos if it was apparently so small I don’t get it

Hell when you google “extinct Australian crocodile” Quinkana is the first result

[plush nacelle]

Cause Australian wants to keep their agenda regarding country in pleistocene being scary place full of big reptiles

[quick ore]

what?

no

[plush nacelle]

I remember someone doing comission art and was told specifically to make quinkana big

[quick ore]

the fact is that Quinkana and how it looks is more or less a paleomeme

like Kaprosuchus but even more exaggerated from the material we have of it

so google is showing you images of what is popular more than what is correct

[eager thunder]

Gosh darn it

[quick ore]

you have to be wary of this for like, literally every taxa tbf
but some are more misleading than others

[eager thunder]

I’m not sure now if I still like Quinkana for what it is or out of spite

[quick ore]

why would you out of spite?

that's ridiculous

[eager thunder]

Not the right word

Sunk cost fallacy ?

[quick ore]

if you want a terrestrial crocodile there's plenty of those

[eager thunder]

Something something I duno

[quick ore]

that's literally a fallacy

[eager thunder]

Quinkanana is a cool name

[quick ore]

like

Quinkana

[eager thunder]

Yeah that

[quick ore]

so what

[eager thunder]

Can’t spell for anything

[quick ore]

plenty of good names exist for things that are basically nothing

Oxalaia, Nanuqsaurus, Dakotaraptor

[plush nacelle]

And it is specifically more popular, because people meme prehistoric Australia as even more scarier place than it is now

[quick ore]

yes that is true

[eager thunder]

Again there really ought to be more state named dinosaurs

[quick ore]

but Australia also

[eager thunder]

It’s never peaked past Utahraptor

[quick ore]

isnt a scary place

I don't care for species named after united states states

it would be better if they had indigenous names

which some states are

but not all

[eager thunder]

Utahraptor really works for me

[vital grove]

there are so many triassic reptiles that are not dinosaurs that would work

Poposauroidea being my favourite clade in any animal group has several large members that would work

Erythrosuchus is also a really good option

[alpine thicket]

While phytosaurs were certainly swimming, they wouldn't need aquariums to work.

[vital grove]

it would basically be a crocodile and im sure everyone would want sarcosuchus or purrusaurus to be enclosure animals and not like the vivarium bunch

so phytosaurs will 100% be full enclosure animals (yes im aware they are not crocodiles and are probably not even archosaurs)

also phytosaurs are quite diverse to

[alpine thicket]

Deinosuchus is potentially coming and we don't have aquariums yet, so.

[vital grove]

i think the only true qualifier to being vivarium is size. i expect a later marine update or dlc to have enclosures for aquatic animals

[shell sonnet]

locmotion matters

[alpine thicket]

I'm saying if Deinosuchus is a full exhibit animal without aquariums of any kind, a phytosaur could be.

[vital grove]

titanoboa being the exception because its hard to do snake animations right

[vital grove]

they are comparable to large modern crocodilians from my memory so yes they have to be 100%

a lot of them would turn velociraptor into a snack and its an enclosure animal to

[quick ore]

hard is an understatement

plus, who the hell would keep a snake in an open enclosure?

[vital grove]

that to but that shouldnt really matter in a game

but yeah as someone who has snakes no game gets the movement right

may be best to have the body following the head in terms of modeling but that still doesnt solve everything

[quick ore]

it would be a nightmare to animate and ultimately a waste of time

[vital grove]

exactly thats why i called titanoboa an exception of size with vivariums

funny how a tube is harder to animate than an animal with limbs

Nicrosaurus a possibly terrestrial phytosaur with a crest on its face

[plush nacelle]

It is not as crazy as it sound

Under right climate conditions it is possible to keep snakes this way

I recall anaconda in bioparque rio is living in pretty normal habitat next to crocodiles

[vital grove]

i have a black kingsnake in europe and i keep it without heating because of this they range into lower ohio and she is always active without it, keep in mind room temperature is atleast 18c in winter and in the summer it can get up to 30c

[quick ore]

I worry more about escape attempts

[vital grove]

tip: make sure the room is escape proof to not just the enclosure

[plush nacelle]

Probably no different than any other animal. Just put fence high enough

Apparently this could keep snake contained

[vital grove]

any snake that you could see in game would easily get over that wall and the ones that cant will find a hole beneath it

[plush nacelle]

What game we are talking about

In PK there is only titanoboa

[vital grove]

this wall must go underground and be very smooth and any snake that is 1.2x longer than it will get out

[plush nacelle]

This one is for rufous beaked snake

[vital grove]

those are fairly small ive held them in person lol

unfortunately most of them in captivity are wild caught and no one breeds them

very cool and unique species

the biggest one i saw was probably 80cm that wall looks atleast 1.2m which is above what most individuals could possibly reach

[vital grove]

also suprisingly ''friendly'' for a wild animal ive handled several and they have always seemed quite curious

although they didnt like extended handeling

and when they get tired of it they just try to slide out of your hands from personal experience

never had one try to bite

i handled 4 or 5 specimens so it seemed consistent

[kind steeple]

I really like this game, so I'm here to give some suggestions about the species.

I hope to see Lystrosaurus and Moschops in the game(The image was found online.)

[amber field]

Latest news said it's own saperate life form

[desert flame]

If an aquarium is added in the future, I would like to get an Aquilolamna.

[eager thunder]

I wonder if having animals these small in animation loop style aquariums like vivs pre U16 would work

Maybe a bit low effort

[coarse inlet]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dinosaurs/images/5/56/Aquilolamna_size.webp/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/985?cb=20250524072136

They aren’t that small

[eager thunder]

Oh

I refrain my idea around things that actually where smaller

[alpine thicket]

Aquilolamna is a fun choice though for sure.

More obscure for the average person but has a lot going for it beyond just being less well known among people less in the know.

[abstract compass]

the perfect shorky boye for early gaem

[alpine thicket]

Yep its unique, not too big by PK standards, and low threat level.

[left spear]

I could see Helico or Hybodus also being neat early aquatics

[alpine thicket]

Hybodus is a super good pick.

[left spear]

Ok nvm Helico is way bigger than i remember 😭

But Hybo would be nice

[left spear]

Infinite build potential

You can put in almost any mesozoic area and It will fit

[alpine thicket]

Yeah I was about to say Helicoprion is big enough to be seriously dangerous.

[left spear]

It's also quite good normal kingdom

[left spear]

Idk why i remembered It as being like 3m long

[alpine thicket]

It could saw an unfortunate keeper's arm off, and is also iconic enough to put it at like... second half of mid game unlocks for me?

Not the lategame quite yet though

[left spear]

Yeah Helico does seem like a 3 star park animal so to say

One of your first aquatic Big boys

[plush nacelle]

Squalicorax - basic shark

[alpine thicket]

Stuff like Dunk, Megalodon, Mosasaurus, Kronosaurus, those are your endgame aquatics to me.

[left spear]

For more starters i could maybe see Orthacanthus

[alpine thicket]

Yes please Orthacanthus pleaaaaaase

[left spear]

I'd put Dunk on late mid Game tbh

Even if the study was exagerated it's still """only""" gws sized

Pannoniasaurus could also be a fun midgame aquatic

[alpine thicket]

Its iconic and still pretty huge and likely threatening to staff, that's why I figured endgame.

[left spear]

I was gonna suggest Ptychodus but it's also hecking massive

Why is water stuff so big

[alpine thicket]

Xiphactinus is a good mid lategame pick.

[plush nacelle]

Cause popular water stuff is big

There is plenty small stuff

[left spear]

Well yeah

But in sharks in particular everything cool is so big

Besides like Ortha which is mid sized and Xena which would probably be an Aquarium

Was gonna suggest Rhizodus but yet again it's massive

[alpine thicket]

There's some cool smaller marine reptiles too
Also would love like
Fluvionectes which isn't small but isn't as huge and would hit freshwater plesiosaur.

[left spear]

Oh yeah in marine reptiles there's a lot of stuff

I'm a Big fan of Lariosaurus but that's defenetly a Viv/aqua

[alpine thicket]

Huge variety of all sorts of cool stuff

[plush nacelle]

Axelrodichthys

[alpine thicket]

Abyssosaurus wouod be cool

[left spear]

Onchopristis as a late early game animal?

It's quite Big but i feel like It wouldn't be that bad

[alpine thicket]

Yeah that's neat, could put it in an African section very nicely.

[left spear]

Next to the Spino enclousure

[alpine thicket]

Could even sort of integrate them with natural barriers

[plush nacelle]

For early game aquatic you need to look for sahonachelys like animals

Completely random but fun

[left spear]

I mean

Something like Aegirocasis is defenetly early game

They don't need to be tiny either

[alpine thicket]

Yeah it's mostly like
Overall potential hazard level shouldn't be too high, not like everything's going to be outrageously dangerous but just like how megatheropods are largely late mid to lategame animals and stuff you know?

[left spear]

If we want to be realistic anything larger than Mutta should be late Game lol

But yeah

[alpine thicket]

Stuff that both needs a lot of staff training and proper safety measures both for the people and the animals while also having a lot of wow factor is naturally later

[plush nacelle]

Thats one animal, what about more?

[hollow flower]

Endoceras

maybe more of a 2 star

[toxic oriole]

Oh I would to, but...

[coarse inlet]

Why

[astral timber]

bc i like Pycno

[astral timber]

?

[left spear]

It's admitedly not the most interesting or workable animal

[coarse inlet]

There are so many more interesting abelisaurs

[left spear]

It's fine as a personal choice but understand most people won't agree

[astral timber]

ok but Pycno is more interesting for me

[coarse inlet]

What makes it interesting