Community Species Suggestions

[vital grove]

still going to post cylindraspis seperately its just such a unique tortoise

[quick ore]

I WANT CYLINDRASPIS SO BAD OMG

need it to cohab with dodos...

[vital grove]

its a very funny tortoise acting like a sauropod

[quick ore]

huh?

what do u mean

[vital grove]

the long neck

[quick ore]

that isn't unique to them

there's tortoises that do that elsewhere like in the galapagos

[vital grove]

not as much as cylindraspis its shield also looks funny

[quick ore]

shield?

[vital grove]

carapace

[quick ore]

well galapagos tortoises have that too

it's convergence

[vital grove]

thats true but cylindraspis definitely has more specialization into this niche

its carapace has more space for its neck to extend

[quick ore]

tru

[vital grove]

but that only makes it cooler and more unique

1 Cylindraspis vosmaeri 2 Balaur a raptor like dinosaur with 4 large toe claws 3 deinogaleryx a large predatory hedgehog relative 4 simocyon a carnivorous relative of the red panda that seems to have adaptation for crushing bone 5 Kumimanu one of the biggest penguins ever

[shell sonnet]

You don't want Balaur. We have no clue where it fits in Dinosauria and therefore can't accurately recreate it.

[vital grove]

.

[shell sonnet]

Also calling Deinogaleryx large is just inaccurate.

[vital grove]

in some cases it should be possible smok wawelski for example has a mostly complete skeleton so reconstructions are possible

[vital grove]

on wikipedia it says its skull was 24cm which is massive compared to its relatives. no its not huge compared to a lion but its huge compared to a modern hedgehog

if you dont trust wikipedia on this ill find another source tomorrow

[shell sonnet]

That image you posted is the problem, it makes the animal look like the size of a dog.

[quick ore]

We don't even know if Balaur is at all like you described it

also like

[vital grove]

depends on what dog🤣

[quick ore]

4 toe claws isnt anything special

[frosty heron]

Its a unique trait but the whole "we dont know what it really is" thing definitely dampens that a lot for game-related speculation

[vital grove]

i meant raptor like as its not in the same family? clade? whatever im doing it of memory. also id like to know any species you know of with similar features

like im genuinely curious if you do

[quick ore]

huh

idk what you're asking

[vital grove]

4 large claws

[quick ore]

Balaur ain't a good choice we have no clue what it looked like

its claws may not even be special

iirc it's the normal condition in more avian dinosaurs

which it may be itself

for all we know it was just an island giant of mesozoic birds

it could even be an herbivore

we don't know

do you know just how much we have of Balaur

the image you posted is almost entirely speculative and isn't even what the current thinking is regarding its potential appearance

like again to be clear we don't even know if it was a "raptor"

[frosty heron]

Yep

It is interesting to think about, but for a design in a game we would need to settle on something conrete, which we just can't with confidence

[quick ore]

we don't even have a close relative with which to base its unknowns off of

[vital grove]

im looking at the holotype specimen again on wikipedia im sorry but im to tired to do more research. and from what i can see everything that is available can point us in the right direction, yes you may be right and they could be adapted for something else but from what i can tell: the claws on the forelimbs are broken at the tips but the curve is something common in claws of predators, on the hindlimbs there are 2 enlarged claws with more of a curve than the other two toes. the only thing we are really missing is a head. its not enough to make for a 100% accurate depection but it is enough for it to be a noteworthy animal. and the claws do really seem to indicate that it is a predator

again my purpose is not to want all of these in game its to post some interesting animals of which a few might be good for the game

and balaur is an interesting fossil

[tulip umbra]

If youre gonna make a suggestion in the pk discord channel called “community suggestions”, u should be suggesting animals u find fit for pk…

I personally am not a big fan of the idea of throwing whatever at the wall and see what sticks, which is why i do one in depth suggestion a day as a nice daily habit

[flint sable]

I mean deinogalerix was the biggest mammalian predator in its habitat to be entirely fair

[quick ore]

bruh u aren't gonna figure Balaur's identity out yourself from looking at wikipedia for a few minutes

[flint sable]

and largest terrestrial predator likely; the other large predatory animals of its environment were crocodiles and owls

[vital grove]

no what i meant is its impossible to add all of these into the game, i just wanted to post some niche animals that people usually dont know about that have an interesting feature about them. just because we dont have the defining feature to place it taxonomically doesnt mean it cant still be cool

[flint sable]

gonna work on the first one now; hold please

[quick ore]

ok but why

[shell sonnet]

Most of us already know of these animals.

[quick ore]

this channel is for suggesting species to be added to the game

and yeah I already knew about all of these

[frosty heron]

There's a lot of cool animals in the world, there are other factors to consider when considering/suggesting/thinking about an animal for a video game, which is the explicit purpose of this channel

[shell sonnet]

Like there are good choices you've written, I'm a big fan of Cylindraspis vosmaeri,

[vital grove]

the only thing im saying is that from looking at what is supposed to be the holotype specimen its most likely a predator

[quick ore]

I would love any Cylindraspis species

[eager thunder]

I would love my little weirdos

[quick ore]

how can you be so certain of that when actual paleontologists aren't

[alpine thicket]

-scrolls up-
smok would unironically be kinda neat actually

[vital grove]

because each of them deserves it and the game can impossibly have all animals

[quick ore]

impossibly?

[proper raven]

I'll just say it doesnt hurt to be nicer to people who are unfamiliar with these animals and to be fair, there are alot worse suggestions here

[shell sonnet]

No. By law we can't include any animals from Poland.

[eager thunder]

Me and my strange ass critters

[toxic oriole]

What

Wow, illegal to put an ANIMAL into a game because its from a place

What a world to live in!!!

[vital grove]

i admitted the claws could have a different purpose but they look more similar to those of predators than those of most other things. and you can tell 4 claws are more adapted for some kind of purpose that is most likely predation due to the curve

[tulip umbra]

I believe we call that sarcastic humor…

[toxic oriole]

https://klipy.com/gifs/dungeong-17

[eager thunder]

How likely do yall think Silvathrium in base game is?

[shell sonnet]

Very, very, very low

but not impossible

[toxic oriole]

Silvertherium?

[eager thunder]

How so?

[tulip umbra]

Unlikely unfortunately

[proper raven]

Archeopteryx also has a hyper-raised toe claw btw

So do modern seriemas

[eager thunder]

Did the devs say something about that or something

[quick ore]

do you mean Sivatherium

[shell sonnet]

we have plenty of open spots in the for herbs in U19.

[eager thunder]

The giraffe thing

[quick ore]

Sivatherium

[eager thunder]

Ye ye

[shell sonnet]

You need to update your priors.#pk-discussion message

[tulip umbra]

Base game roster is kinda set in stone already, with the exception of vivariums

[toxic oriole]

fuck that

MORE...

MORE!!!!!!!!!!

[eager thunder]

Well apparently the devs like Sivatherium

[eager thunder]

We really don’t know what the full base game roster is tho do we? Just a few likely to confirmed Dino’s

[alpine thicket]

Mau actually is a Sivatherium, so he's a little biased.

[shell sonnet]

There's the old blurred roadmap, which as of now, hasn't been wrong

[eager thunder]

Oh so that’s why it won’t be added Mau makes the species Extant

[shell sonnet]

But we've also gotten stuff not on it for U16

[eager thunder]

Wait wouldn’t that make it more likely?

[shell sonnet]

Well Siva isn't on the roadmap

[eager thunder]

Oh

Wait what was on the roadmap, or is that too spoilery

[shell sonnet]

But... like I said, there's room for based on the number of herb spots on trello

[tulip umbra]

This is from a while ago

[alpine thicket]

I wonder what the devs thought when Peltephilus was actually successfully guessed relatively quickly.

Of all things.

[eager thunder]

Hm, I do like these pickings

[eager thunder]

I mean there was a in game plush of it

So

[vital grove]

yeah but they are bigger the niche could be similar to seriemas, with the front limbs long fingers and thick bones id say its an animal that is good at climbing and the hind claws are very curved so they couldve definitely had a similar niche but without flight

[alpine thicket]

I don't think the plush was ever acknowledged when that happened.

[vital grove]

so like a seriema but with 4 claws that can have more grip on their small prey

this is just me speculating

[alpine thicket]

I remember it being guessed pretty raw off of the shape of the blurred name.

[eager thunder]

I hope that walking whale is correct

Such a funky creature

[shell sonnet]

For mechanical reasons, that's one we're less sure about

[eager thunder]

I mean it could just have really basic swimming

[frosty heron]

Its also in the water update so

[eager thunder]

Mau is a liar and all

[frosty heron]

Im sure they could figure it out

[shell sonnet]

That's kind of the issue,

[toxic oriole]

Don't get the point of lying about species being confirmed or denied when it comes to the devs

Is there something I'm missing?

[eager thunder]

Mau just does that

[tulip umbra]

Theyve pretty clearly said diving and underwater viewing is not on the menu for the foreseeable future

[proper raven]

Devs are humans, humans are fickle-minded

[alpine thicket]

It's fun to surprise people.

[proper raven]

Sometimes they just wanna have fun too with a new species jumpscare

[flint sable]

Mistercdp's Ultimate Paleozoic Animal Pack

Message 1/2

Features

Animals
5 New Habitat/Exhibit animals (not counting alts)
3 new Vivarium Animals

Pieces
8 new pieces (signs for the animals)
2 new variants for the Colored Animal Posterboard (Cotylorhynchus and Inostranocevia)

Exhibit Animals

Moschops
3 skins. One skin would be quite generic; straight up just greenish. Another could have a darker body with a reddish or even orangish head. The final one could be striped with a blueish grey coloration similar to Alligators; with a cream belly.

Cotylorhynchus
3 skins. This animal would be a fat chud. One skin would resemble that one coty depiction (greyish back, creamy tan underbelly), another one could be inspired by Marine Iguanas, and a final one could be mostly dull colors but the back be much brighter in color; possibly yellowish or orange

Eryops
3 skins. One could be based on modern crocodillans, perhaps a Dwarf Caiman, despite the nonsimilar taxonomy. Another could be based on a large salamander, the Hellbender, with orangish brown. Finally, throw a really bright skin in there akin to a Poison Dart Frog for some unique flavour points.

Inostranocevia
3 skins. One could be based somewhat on the WWM representation of "Gorgonopsian", with a relatively generic sandy splotchy skin. Another could be more out there, perhaps showing more proper spots and stripes; perhaps inspired by African Wild Dogs. Finally, one with a highly contrasting belly and upper body, such as a blackis top and white underbelly.

Estemmenosuchus (uralensis)
3 skins. One would be relatively tame and based on hippopotamuses; pinkish grey. Another could have a very brightly coloured horn arrangement; possibly bluish similar to the one skin from Triceratops; with a greenish body. Finally, one skin that was a more tamer brown with orange on the crests.

[eager thunder]

I wonder what it could’ve been replaced with

The walking whale

[flint sable]

Message 2/2

Vivariums

Weigeltisaurus (arboreal vivarium; skin similar to Draco Lizards)

Suminia (arboreal vivarium; skin a weird blend of browns and greens)

Viatkogorgon (terrestrial vivarium?; skin based on a mustelid; possibly wolverines or badgers)

Closing Remarks

The main consideration with this list involves 3 of the most iconic species of the Paleozoic; Dimetrodon, Meganeura, and Arthropleura. This DLC is made assuming that all 3 of these animals have been added beforehand (either during U19 in EA or after full release; but in some other form)

The secondary minor remark was a few of the choices here I reshuffled around. Some alternatives listed below I think would be good choices and swapped with the following, and I simply chose them because in my opinion they were more interesting picks

Anteosaurus / Estemmenosuchus

Platyhystrix / Viatkogorgon

Moschops / Edaphosaurus

thoughts?

[toxic oriole]

Wheres the one with the giant head???????????

[flint sable]

?

[toxic oriole]

WHERES JIMMY NEUTRON!?!?!?

[vital grove]

erythrosuchus?

[flint sable]

yeah I was gonan say

hes triassic

[shell sonnet]

Break it up into two seperate packs, one Carbon and early Permian focused and one mid/late Permian focused

[vital grove]

biggest head

[flint sable]

any particular reason why?

ive already ignored the entire first half of the paleozoic lol

its just 2 periods

[toxic oriole]

b r o f o r g o t t o i n c l u d e P l a t y h y s t r i x . . .

[proper raven]

Pre-devonian or early Carbo would mainly be bugs and fish

[flint sable]

ye thats why I left them out

although I did just realize literally all of these are permian

[shell sonnet]

Quite a few early Permian animals like Eryops, Edaphosaurus, and Ophiacodon have Carbon species, for one

[flint sable]

but Paleozoic animal pack sounds better than Permian Animal Pack

[toxic oriole]

So add Platyhystrix......

[flint sable]

hmmmmmmmm

ok but what would I swap it for

Viatkogorgon probably right?

[proper raven]

Also stem-amniotes sound tricky as habitat animals ngl

[flint sable]

ok added those guys to the closing remarks

[shy vale]

maybe instead of smok we get silesaurus

in terms of polish triassic stuff?

[cosmic cosmos]

silesaurus is peak

please add it devs

[smoky spear]

make them feeder animals

[plush nacelle]

Used knuppe scaling, which I find reliable source

According to some dog size classifications deinogalerix would be roughly between largest small and smallest medium dog

[sharp dock]

the big rat that makes all of the rules

[vital grove]

yeah and when i called it large i meant it in relation to its relatives, obviously this thing isnt smilodon sized lol

[plush nacelle]

I also find that thing big

I wonder, if there is random big mammal for every living order we associate with small animals

[frosty heron]

waiting for the pteranodon sized bat to show up

[plush nacelle]

Like giant shrew possum or even bigger elephant shrew

[frosty heron]

Tbf size outliers (in the direction of large) in clades that trend towards small overall is not unheard of

For shrews metabolism and energy need might be a problem? Since the small ones already burn super fast and eat a lot

maybe it could be circumvented, I'm not familiar with how they work

[amber field]

Big horse

[left spear]

E. giganteus is more cryptid than real animal

[amber field]

So it's not real ? Shame

[plush nacelle]

I once read it is tooth, which could belong to camel or something like that

[desert flame]

I think we need prehistoric horses.

[slim flare]

Well quagga and wild horse are coming

[desert flame]

For example,Tarpan

[slim flare]

“Tarpan” are wild horse

Which is coming in the Recently Extinct DLC

[desert flame]

true

[slim flare]

But I also want at least a small early species

Hippidion would be cool too

[desert flame]

Perhaps Eohippus and Sifrhippus are vivarium animal.

[tardy whale]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-world-evolution-2-sinosauropteryx-feathered-species-pack-gif-6792894806964675525

[eager thunder]

Where’s this from?

[short rover]

Jwe3

Or 2

One of them

[plush nacelle]

JWE2

Frontier cut sino in JWE3

[toxic oriole]

Its unfortunate

I'd love a giant horse to exist

Though to be fair, you technically could make it into a real animal via selective breeding

Yet it'd be domesticated of course

... Don't really know how this stuff works

[left spear]

I mean

[shy vale]

that should be like a compsognathus alt if vivarium alts are a thing

[inner wedge]

i have come back with a big beautiful chart

read this and argue at each other as usual

[mint creek]

https://tenor.com/view/whothefuckstartsaconversation-gif-22983824

[flint sable]

no dimetrodon? sad

great picks though

[coarse inlet]

That’s not Dacentrurus

[autumn plover]

lost me at Nanuqsaurus tbh

complete nothingburger animal

[coarse inlet]

Oh yeah that’s true

Yutyrannus and Albertosaurus cover that perfectly anyway

Also needs more thescelosaurus

[quick ore]

you misspelled Gastornis and Chalicotherium

[inner wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler1-gif-4957934017817981363

[inner wedge]

you got memed my man

[coarse inlet]

What does that even mean

[inner wedge]

it's trendy to hate nanuq here apparently

[outer moth]

The fearsome maxilla strikes once more

[quick ore]

People have good reason to say that Nanuqsaurus would be a bad inclusion. It's a nothing taxa propped up by multiple docuseries appearances that use it as an excuse to have a polar-living tyrannosaur.

As an actual species it really has nothing going for it besides name recognition.

[outer moth]

Plus, we have a better fluffy tyrannosauroid that provides more to the roster

[tulip umbra]

Ooooh another nanuqsaurus discussion

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-daring-today-spongebob-spongebob-meme-daring-today-arent-we-gif-23808696

[outer moth]

(Plus Yuty has better material)

[quick ore]

yeah Yutyrannus is better than Nanuqsaurus in every way

[coarse inlet]

Because it’s nothing

[tulip umbra]

Let the guy suggest what he wants, sure it might not align with other ppls opinion (mine included), but whats the point of rehashing this over and over again. This same shit has been said in here countless times.

[outer moth]

It's kinda like Pyroraptor discourse

[grim lagoon]

Guys why are we fighting over a fossil animal

Like bro's dead since million years ago he doesn't care

[alpine thicket]

Nanuq is a neat animal in concept but there's certainly other tyrannosaurids I think are far more worthwhile and would have better knowledge for a recon.

[outer moth]

Nanuq can be modded in tho
Go nuts there

[inner wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/sully-walk-monsters-inc-gif-16339267

pk fanbase when a certain maxilla is mentioned in chat

[alpine thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-renge-miyauchi-non-biyori-gif-14576522

Just giving my take on it.

[inner wedge]

jk

i do think it's not out of the question simply because it appeared on prehistoric planet and devs seem to prioritize animals with notable media appearances

[alpine thicket]

In terms of other tyrannosaurids, I'd slot Nano or Alioramus in that spot instead.

well

tyrannosauroids

since Nano isn't a tyrannosaurid but

[inner wedge]

||nano would pull dlc by itself||

[alpine thicket]

Actually good point.

It absolutely would.

[inner wedge]

||it's one of the reasons i didnt put in a lot of well known animals||

[quick ore]

It isn't just that Nanuq is fragmentary, it's that it is surrounded by way better options. Choosing it over so many other tyrannosaurs would be a shame.

[slender tangle]

The much belated Part 4 (final)
Ceratopsian pack:

Exhibit species
-Torosaurus (plants) (tropical, temperate, wetland, coastal)
-Udanoceratops (plants/fruits) (desert, scrubland)
-Medusaceratops (plants) (temperate, coastal, wetland)
-Zuniceratops (plants) (tropical, wetland)
-Leptoceratops (plants/fruits/insects) (tropical, temperate, wetland, coastal)

vivarium species
-Yinlong (fruits/insects) (terrestrial)
-Aquilops (plants/insects) (terrestrial)

[alpine thicket]

Definitely not a bad lineup where regaliceratatops though

[slender tangle]

Thought about it
Decided it didn't make the cut

[alpine thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/ellipsis-ellipse-dot-dot-dot-dot-dots-gif-7994192193033101333

[cosmic cosmos]

Chasmosaurus and Pentaceratops?

[slender tangle]

Felt like they were too generic

[cosmic cosmos]

but toro isnt?

[toxic oriole]

The torosaurus downplaying is insane

[cosmic cosmos]

the penta downplay is insane

and chasmo

[toxic oriole]

Both of that is insane!

All three is insane!

Why not have them all?

[fiery crow]

literally I’d be fine with all three of them

[toxic oriole]

Toro, Penta, Chasmo

They may look similar, but they are not 1:1

[cosmic cosmos]

im not saying they are, tide said that chasmo and penta are generic but then has torosaurus in the list

[alpine thicket]

With ceratopsids picking who makes the cut out of the ones with the more conventional horn alignment is hard, unless you end up just adding more slots overall.
Personally I'd probably end up picking Toro too.

[toxic oriole]

Can always get the others later

hopefully

[slender tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-sigh-gif-5895699729383201961

[toxic oriole]

If the other ceratopsians cant tolerate each other, then the best bet is for Torosaurus to probably be neutral with Triceratops and vice versa

I mean, think about it
Having a ceratopsian or two that can tolerate other ceratopsians to an extent could be something

Helps with enclosures, maybe

not sure

idk i havent experimented

[shell sonnet]

I'd prefer if we got another Chasmosaurine from someplace we don't have one in the game

[cosmic cosmos]

we also have no chasmosaurines aside from triceratops, and if we got toro we would still only have members of Triceratopsini

[toxic oriole]

Ah well

Can always wait

You never know what they'll do... 👀

[slender tangle]

Regaliceratops is also a triceratopsini

For other chasmosaurine rep it'd have to be like Chasmo, Penta, or Navajo

[toxic oriole]

What???

I see no Regaliceratops anywhere

[slender tangle]

.... It says it on wikipedia.....

[quick ore]

literally go on Regaliceratops' page

[toxic oriole]

Oh I see now

Outdated thing

[toxic oriole]

Would Eotriceratops even be worth mentioning or what?

Eh

Its not really in Triceratopsini

[cosmic cosmos]

no

[quick ore]

no

[toxic oriole]

Somethin' about it y'all don't like or what? Curious

[shell sonnet]

I'm going to have to recommend against Navajo

[slender tangle]

Glad I didn't put it in then
Being fragmentary is a big no-no. At least Mesuda retains the whole skull

[toxic oriole]

not again with the fragmentary disqualification................

smh.....................

[shell sonnet]

We don't have a complete skull for the animal, which comes from a clade where the main point of distinction is their frill and horns.

There is nothing special about this animal.

It is a bad choice.

[quick ore]

Being fragmentary isn't in and of itself disqualifying. What matters is if the material shows anything special about the species compared to related species and if we still have a good idea of what it looked like regardless of its fragmentary nature.

[silver steeple]

Yeah unfortunately that whole "anagenetic line" is extremely iffy at best

[cosmic cosmos]

chasmosaurine lineup being Pentaceratops, Chasmosaurus belli/russelli, Triceratops horridus/prosus and Torosaurus would be perfect, anything more is a nice bonus

[silver steeple]

Better to just avoid all those

[fiery crow]

this I agree with

[toxic oriole]

Just curious

I'm fairly neutral on most stuff anyways

yet my bias swerves to other sides at times

[fiery crow]

you didn’t have to have a poll on this yknow

like
at all

[toxic oriole]

Yeah, I know

But I did it anyways

🤷‍♀️

Also a matter of me being curious on opinions

[quick ore]

ty, it's basically why something like Gigantopithecus is good despite being fragmentary

since it also doesn't really have better choices to go up against

[fiery crow]

Andrewsarchus I feel is a different story because we still have no idea what it looked like

[quick ore]

agreed

even moreso we don't really know how it lived

at least Gigantopithecus ain't a mystery

[fiery crow]

Dinopithecus and Sivapithecus are both good. I’m well aware that Dinopithecus is just a big baboon but sometimes Normal Kingdom is nice to have.

[toxic oriole]

Normal But Mostly Prehistoric Kingdom!!!

Title...

[quick ore]

I still stand by Archaeoindris and Gigantopithecus being a good way to cover the bases of primate representation

[fiery crow]

I’d like Megaladapis but realistically since it was a climbing species the only way it’d work is as an arboreal vivie

[silver steeple]

If you only want to cover two very far extremes that happen to converge maybe

[quick ore]

what do you mean

[silver steeple]

They converge on lifestyles but are two very far ends of the group

[quick ore]

I mean said lifestyle is one of the only ones that this game can accomodate for an exhibit species

for primates I mean

[fiery crow]

not really, there’s multiple primates that can work as vivies

[ancient ibex]

It is; Triceratopsini has a fucked up definition (Trike > Arrhino) because Longrich was cocksure about the giant cf.Pentaceratops being its own thing and closer to Trike than stuff generally understood as close

[quick ore]

exhibit species

I specifically said exhibit species

[fiery crow]

Darwinius, Plesiadapis, Purgatorius, Godinota, Apidium

[tulip umbra]

Jan 27th, Doswellia Kaltenbachi. Doswellia is an archosauriforme that may or may not belong to the group Proterochampsia. Even though its classification is uncertain, we do have a good idea of what it looked like and did when it was alive. A body around 2m long covered in osteoderms, a narrow flat skull with sharp teeth and a semi erect posture indicate this animal was a carnivore that led a terrestrial lifestyle within the semi-aquatic environment of Late Triassic North America.

[feral cedar]

ngl the only oviraptorosaur here being Citipati feels... wasteful?

Like, Citipati is awesome, but it's a bit of a case in which I think Citipati should've either been an alt genus of or a replacement for Oviraptor, but having BOTH of them in the game seems a bit bloaty

[toxic oriole]

Would you say the same regarding Giraffatitan?

[feral cedar]

Giraffatitan is a complicated situation

A lot of people want it to be added in an Africa (or even Tendaguru) centered DLC alongside Kentrosaurus, which I admit would be cool

Giraffatitan feels like a dinosaur we would've gotten if Brachiosaurus was added today, so to speak

But yeah Giraffatitan at least has a different place of origin than Brachiosaurus, whereas Citipati is a second oviraptorid from the same time and place

[fiery crow]

very good candidate for either a habitat or vivarium species

[cosmic cosmos]

ideally habitat

[fiery crow]

it’s basically Tik size though

[cosmic cosmos]

tik has a problematic life cycle

because its a fish

[eager thunder]

I wonder the likelihood of another ceratopsian

I feel like we have quite a few of them

[wary nacelle]

Micropachycephalosaurus

[flint sable]

during EA probably 0

ever? id bet probably one more in the game's lifespan although honestly they may be the only animal group ingame I would be 100% fine with if they didnt get a single more addition; other than maybe rhinos

[eager thunder]

Do we have that many rhinos? I feel like that perception is skewed just because we don’t have that many mammals

also hoping the games life span is real long

[quick ore]

Paraceratherium, Sinotherium, Elasmotherium, Juxia, and Coelodonta

[eager thunder]

I forgot we had Juxia

[quick ore]

not only are those 5 separate genera, they also account for over a third of the game's entire mammal roster

[eager thunder]

We definitely need more mammals

[quick ore]

It isn't bad that there are that many, and truthfully there could still be another in the future like Hyrachyus which is very different from the rest of what we have and wouldn't feel like too many, but as far as the immediate future is concerned we absolutely do not need more rhinos

[eager thunder]

I honestly might want more rhinos if only to get any more mammals at all

[toxic oriole]

too many rhinos...........

[quick ore]

we can get more mammals without getting more rhinos lol

[eager thunder]

True

[toxic oriole]

PK roster in the future:

Millions of rhinos or rhino-like animals

[eager thunder]

Cave hyenas and Dire wolves my beloved

[toxic oriole]

Would rather have some Porkers

(Pigs)

[eager thunder]

I don’t personally care for pigs tbh

I’ve never liked em

I’m weird

[flint sable]

I mean

what else would you even add

the only worthwhile inclusion I can legitimately think of is Teleoceras

since its quite different from the rhinos ingame already

I guess maybe a really really basal thing but at that point its essentially not even a rhino anymore

[flint sable]

moresoe than paracer

[eager thunder]

There was this one with the weird ass nose I can’t remember the name of

[flint sable]

you might be thinking of brontotheres

which are only kinda related to rhinos

[quick ore]

the only ones that feel worth it to me are the really tiny early ones like Hyrachyus or smaller early rhinos like Menoceras, and that's it

[flint sable]

them's on the other hand I think could be good

[eager thunder]

Yeah that thing

Thunder whatever

[quick ore]

they aren't

[flint sable]

I mean

[eager thunder]

Well in that case a non rhino addition

[quick ore]

they're closer to the horse side of the perissodactyl tree

[flint sable]

they kinda are, odd toed ungulates

so kinda close in the grand scheme of things

its not like their afrotheres

looking at you, arsinotherium

[quick ore]

ok but that is like saying adding horses or chalicotheres would be adding another rhino

[eager thunder]

We need horses

[quick ore]

u forgot an i

[flint sable]

I never said that I only said they were just kinda closely related

on that topic though, both great picks

horse army

[quick ore]

it's Arsinoitherium

[eager thunder]

Big ass thing

[silver steeple]

Not real

I feel like this is brought up at least once a week

[slim flare]

^

[toxic oriole]

Unfortunate

And yet...

You probably could perform selective breeding with the wild horse and/or quagga to make this into a real animal

And boom

(In the far future)

Thats one way to get it

[silver steeple]

You do know domestic horses get larger than that right

Clydesdales and other draft horses are enormous

[toxic oriole]

Never saw any of those gigantic horse breeds

[silver steeple]

One was literally posted like a couple hours ago

[toxic oriole]

Of which I had seen

[silver steeple]

^

And that's not even a like especially large clydesdale

I've seen larger irl

[eager thunder]

I’ve been bamboozled

I’ve been duped

[proper raven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449613243942436874/1448348809435549749/PANA0811.jpg?ex=697ae031&is=69798eb1&hm=870145b16de8d7d89e40649d2f43c35e2dee17023a757ee444fcea44c3974d00&

Pictured: Early men mounting a large E. giganteus individual in an attempt to subdue the animal circa 12,000 BCE

[eager thunder]

This would be really good

Me and my boy the Chalictotherium

[proper raven]

Moropus thx

[sharp dock]

Chalicotherium my beloved

[lean hound]

Because it's the pk discord server

[vital grove]

1 kubanochoerus 2 ekaltadeta 3 impidens 4 udanoceratops 5 lisowicia

[outer moth]

That an updated skeletal?

[tough marsh]

yep

[eager thunder]

you know its a lot bigger than I expected

[vital grove]

which one

[eager thunder]

the new one, Undanoceratops
I thought it was smaller

but i guess its fairly new and all

[vital grove]

yeah its huge compared to others like it

[eager thunder]

I was expecting a proto sized gremlin thing but that is large

[vital grove]

yeah more like a cow lol but its jaw is also very cool looking

[eager thunder]

oh very

[silver steeple]

It's not new lol

It was named in 1992

Making it older than every known feathered dinosaur besides like archaeopteryx

[quick ore]

much older than most people here too I would guess

[left spear]

Yeah i don't think there's many 72 million-year olds in the server

[coarse inlet]

Udanoceratops is so cool but also so uncomfortable

[vital grove]

1 leptoptilos falconeri 2 chapalmalania raccoon relative 3 Barylambda 4 Discokeryx 5 Cerritosaurus

[fiery crow]

oh Chapalmalania actually looks super cool

[slender tangle]

I really hope we get more non-ice age mammals. I wanna do a cenozoic only zoo one day, but I want more options than ice age fauna and the occasional oligocene/miocene rhino

Also a few xenarthrans and flightless birds in general would be nice

[left spear]

Might want to look into Miocene south america then

[hollow flower]

Awhile back I suggested Psychopyge as a neat trilobite that looks a bit like a throwing knife

Well as it turns out I got it confused with another trilobite I was actually looking for called Ampyx

Notable for having multiple fossils of them doing a conga line

[shell sonnet]

Weirdest set of footprints I've seen in awhile

[vital grove]

there should be a saltwater semiaquatic habitat would be perfect for this and some specific other animals

[slender tangle]

Maybe shouldn't have added this last bit cause I know Megatherium, Doedicurus and Kelenken are all somewhere down the pipeline. I'd like to see more eocene-miocene groups like uintatheres, brontotheres, pandodonts, cimolestans, early sirenians, entelodonts, hyendadonts, etc

Having a pezosiren enclosure would go hard

[silver steeple]

Uintatherium is probably like my #2 most wanted mammal

My #1 is chalicotherium

Would adore to see a pantodont as well

[vital grove]

1 Falcatakely from the late cretaceaous 2 Hoplitomeryx 3 Yacarerani 4 Gigarcanum an almost 1 meter long gecko 5 suminia therapsid that looks like a monkey

[eager thunder]

Didn’t the devs once post a image of one of them pointing at one of those funny :> fish

I forgot about that

Im betting vivarium

https://preview.redd.it/the-sacabambaspis-an-extinct-genus-of-jawless-fish-v0-mn6hrm3yk5sa1.jpg?auto=webp&s=fff00db26e0b861d1a4beff64ae3398a11aa68a1 this thing

[shell sonnet]

I mean the former two are ice age animals

[silver steeple]

Iirc its way too small

[shell sonnet]

I recall it being like hand sized at best

[eager thunder]

I mean it could be a lot of them

[silver steeple]

Not really the issue

[shell sonnet]

Okay, if wiki is accurate then it might be big enough.

Sacabambaspis averages around 35 cm (13+3⁄4 inches) in total length, with the head shield about 10 cm (4 inches) long and 8 cm (3+1⁄4 inches) wide

[eager thunder]

The silly little thing

[lean hound]

#pk-discussion message

[eager thunder]

I guess that wouldn’t be a vivarium but an aquarium

[vital grove]

if they add aquariums i hope they do it differently for larger aquatic animals

regardless there are some really funny extinct fish that would be amazing in an aquarium

[slender tangle]

I meant non pleistocene mammal groups AND any taxa of xenarthran and flightless bird pleistocene or not

[vital grove]

preferably some therapsids and non dinosaur archosauriforms to. and if they add dinosaurs pls triassic ones or something more unique

[hollow flower]

Ive seen this exact model in real life

Very funny looking

The person who made it is also from my hometown

[hollow flower]

I must say the Silurian really lacks in neat additions besides Pterygotus and Eurypterus

And of course the vegetation like Cooksonia and Prototaxites

[vital grove]

Megamastax one of the largest known fish of this time might be cool

maybe guiyu if you want a more complete fossil

Silurolepis is also one of the bigger fish at this time

[vital grove]

also Carcinosoma would be another worthy eurypterid from the silurian

[tulip umbra]

Jan 28th, Gigantspinosaurus Sichuanensis. A stegosaur that roamed China together with Yangchuanosaurus, Tuojiangosaurus, Mamenchisaurus, etc. Its most recognisable features are its gigantic shoulder spikes which would have acted as a deterrence for predators. Unfortunately the position of its shoulder spines are a topic of debate, as we are unsure in which way to orient them. You can see the two possible depictions below, the latter one where the spines curve down and then up seem to be the most scientifically plausible, though it’s hard to find any certain sources.

[fiery crow]

I remember these guys from JW: E

[outer moth]

The past truly is weird, wonderful, AND diverse

[shy vale]

also would suggest entelognathus

[toxic oriole]

You might end up suggesting Mamenchisaurus at some point if you havent already

But then again a bunch of people would've done that too

Myself included

[vital grove]

If we get aquariums Omnidens would be such a cool option

[vital grove]

would be nice but i dont know what the minimum size is the devs would add

i would also like to see gigatitan vulgaris but its right on the edge of if it works

[abstract compass]

big fan of this terror.

[desert flame]

I'd love to see a Helicoprion if an aquarium is added in the future.

[outer crater]

Synthetoceras

https://share.google/BD51C5dpQe7QjD3Ar

[vital grove]

some cool smaller animals for aquariums that would fit the current vivarium size so 30cm to 2m. 1 lessiniabatis 2 Eretmorhipis 3 metopacanthus 4 Belantsea 5 Brochoadmones 6 squaloraja

1 rhombichthys 2 cartorhynchus 3 brindabellaspis 4 Vicetia a very large sea slug 5 brachydectes

[coarse inlet]

It’s just big enough I’d say

[coarse inlet]

I suggest that every species be released as a Mamenchisaurus alt

[rich ocean]

Mesozoic Species Idea: Gigantoraptor (We're getting Utahraptor, which is a bigger and deadlier Velociraptor, so why not a bigger and deadlier Oviraptorid?)
Cenozoic Species Idea: Glyptodon
Vivarium Species Idea: Megarachne (the largest spider to ever exist during the Carboniferous Period...or was it? Because, believe it or not, Megarachne was actually a sea scorpion!)

[slim flare]

I think everyone knows it’s a sea scorpion

[peak hazel]

this has been known since the big 05

[left spear]

Tbf

A lot of more casual people don't know this

There's a significant percentage of the community that still has the spuder recon in their mind

[plush nacelle]

Sea corpion

Lives in freshwater

[left spear]

River corpion

[tulip umbra]

Jan 29th, Parapuzosia Seppenradensis. Today I learned, that all size charts you find for Parapuzosia are grossly oversized and inaccurate. This stems from the 1960 paper by Teichert & Kummel where they extrapolate the size of Parapuzosia (at the time still under the genus Pachydiscus) and suggest an upper estimate of a whopping 3.5m shell diameter. The glaring issue here is that it is an old paper and information at the time was not as complete as it is now, they estimated that if the incomplete 1895 specimen were complete, it would have nearly an entire extra whorl. Fortunately, a 2021 paper examining 154 specimens of Parapuzosia from varying sizes, goes in depth on the animals ontogeny and evolution. Notably the revised size for P. Seppenradensis ranges from 1m - 1.8m in shell diameter. While it may not be the behemoth it was once believed to be, it was still a very large marine predator from the Late Cretaceous.

[left spear]

Literally Minecraft Nautilus sized

[fiery crow]

somehow the accurate size chart looks way crazier than the outdated size chart

the fact that it really was THAT big

crazy

[tulip umbra]

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8580234/#pone.0258510.ref001 the paper if anyone is interested

Ofc the media always runs with the largest size possible even if its highly unfounded

Cameroceras…

[shell sonnet]

I've always used the wiki image of Parapuzosia for judging its size. Rarely do we get such a good size comparison such that it renders any other search negligible.

[rigid spindle]

That's a lot of kalimari

[tough vault]

may we please have some more vivarium creatures who are synapsids?

also too big to be a vivarium creature but I REALLY want cotylorhynchus

[tough vault]

((unless I haven't unlocked it in my game and it actually exists? I haven't seen it in any dig sites))

[quick ore]

it doesn't exist

(yet)

[ancient ibex]

A smol cynodont would go hard ngl

TTBT, Thrinaxodon and Ceratogaulus are for me great choices for additional burrowing terrarium animals

[alpine thicket]

huh i only ever used parapuzosia fossils for size comparisons I genuinely just skipped size charts.

[river perch]

i just know Thrinaxo would look absurdly cute in this games style

they always nail those sorta puppy dog eyes (and just the eyes on the animals in general really)

[tulip umbra]

Its probably only one fossil that you have seen then, the 1895 specimen from germany as seen in pineapple’s earlier pic. It is the largest one found and has many replicas in many museums across the world. Kinda crazy that every artist uses the 3.5m estimate for their size chart, makes u realise a lot of artists never actually see or reference the actual fossils.

[vital grove]

please just make that a normal enclosure animal it has no reason being in a terrarium

[left spear]

-Very large Boar sized animal

-vivarium

[vast berry]

We need Enhydriodon

[inner wedge]

this part of the doc was so weird

[vast berry]

Once upon a time, there were giant lion-sized otters prowling the African savannah

[inner wedge]

they were basically extinct by the time the doc takes place

also otters outcompeting felids? really?

[proper raven]

They wanted giant otters in the show

So they got giant otters in the show

Also not like they cant bully off cats

Giant otters can bully off jaguars

[vast berry]

Giant otters are also called the 'river jaguar', as they can kill caiman

[mint creek]

Weren't the homotherium outnumbered by the enhydriodons as well

[proper raven]

Yes

Its like 3 vs an entire family

[mint creek]

Then yeah, of course they're going to bully off the felids

[ancient ibex]

A single interaction is not an ecological trend, and, well, seeing how homotheres are gone yet the sea otter is doing fine, yeah, the Euhydron lineage outlasted the Homotherium lineage

Also the original intention was to have Paranthropus there

And the show takes place across the entire Pleistocene

[inner wedge]

no it doesn't

[peak hazel]

yes it does

[hollow flower]

Gigantopithecus

[inner wedge]

which was explicitly shown as a dying species(with speculative liberties at that)

[peak hazel]

pretty sure Naish said it spans more then just the late Pleistocene

[ancient ibex]

The intention of using Paranthropus already tells us everything

[plush nacelle]

I am not saying inclusion was bad, but as with whole show narration was rather silly

[ancient ibex]

Apple and dumbification

[plush nacelle]

I think they implied Enhydriodon become apex predator thanks to spread of grassland

[ancient ibex]

Fuck suits accross fields

[peak hazel]

the issue with the segment is that it makes it seem like its happening around the same time as the late Pleistocene stuff

[ancient ibex]

Technically it wouldn't be too different anyway

1 million years is pretty much geologically insignificant

The geographical messes are less justifiable

[peak hazel]

it will forever bug me that the common names are like that

I get it with stuff like Megalania, the Woolly Mammoth, Woolly Rhino etc

but calling Elasmotherium a "strange kind of Rhino" just isn't it

[ancient ibex]

At least they call it Elasmotherium in the extra segment, but still, goddammit TV executives

[peak hazel]

how many people will tune out for said segment

[plush nacelle]

My another issue with enhydriodon segment is it should be reversed - make otters kill zebra to show predatory behaviour on ungulates we apparently know about and then protect food from homotheriums exploring new territory

[ancient ibex]

Those with very low attention spans

[quick ore]

sorry but how tf did you forget Arsinoitherium

[ancient ibex]

And, once again, it was intended to involve Paranthropus, but humangorillas failing to steal horse meat from giant otters for some reason wasn't okay

Nature docs foregoing the fact that humans are part of nature is a big issue after all

[quick ore]

I think the saddest thing about how PhP Ice Age falls short is that there's no reason to believe those making it will be able to course correct for future seasons, which makes me think from here on out it will just get worse aside from having better cgi

[vast berry]

I have it elsewhere

[vital grove]

some cool land invertebrates that could fit the game(excluding the 3 obvious ones) 1 Pebasiconcha immanis 2 euphoberia 3 mazothairos 4 Mongolarachne 5 oregramma

and of course gigatitan

[left spear]

Bigbig

Truly a shining example of taxonomic naming

[vital grove]

does sound great though

[toxic oriole]

I once again suggest Barosaurus
Yet have Supersaurus alongside em

Even if theres enough morrison sauropods already (At the moment, minus Dippy)

[cloud nymph]

Show this to an American farm tycoon to scare them

[left spear]

They did It once

They can do It again

[desert flame]

Apidium is likely to be an arboreal vivarium. I'd love to see prehistoric monkeys added.

[shy vale]

it covers the early pleistocene too

like how the 2 maastrichtian seasons had early and mid maastrichtian stuff

though i would say that pleistocene is more iffy to do this, even though the time span is shorter (2 vs 6 million)

[tulip umbra]

Jan 30th, Hemicyon Sansaniensis. Bears are caniforms, meaning they had canid like ancestors. Hemicyon meaning “half dog” represents this intermediary between bears and their caniform ancestors, looking like a combination of bears and dogs. Hemicyon is also known as the “dog-bear”, not to be confused with Amphicyon meaning “ambiguous dog” aka “bear-dogs” or Arctocyon meaning “bear dog” even though it is related to neither. The largest species H. Sansaniensis was similar in size to modern Gray Wolves at approximately 1.5m long, however it had a much more bear-like robust build making it quite a bit heftier. Hemicyon fossils have been found from the Early to Late Miocene, spanning the Northern hemisphere.

[eager thunder]

Random horrible unlikely prediction that tomorrow this thing will come in with the steel chair

Cause funny

[slim flare]

Never

[eager thunder]

I don’t believe it myself I just thing the visual of this thing with a steel chair is really humorous

[rigid spindle]

even if its unlikely, it would still be funny

[shell sonnet]

It's an impossible choice

A good joke has some degree of plausibility

[left spear]

Eh

It's not impossible at all

It's very unlikely

But i could see It in a dlc

[shell sonnet]

In the context U17, it is

[left spear]

Oh It was for 17 lol

I thought It was in general

[frosty heron]

SHRINGASAURUS MY GOAT

give him the chair im so ready

[flint sable]

I mean like technically not but youd probably have a better chance getting struck by lightning or creating 15 leucistics in the hatchery in a row without modifications

than that happening

[shell sonnet]

fruit didn't exist in the Triassic

[flint sable]

I mean depends on your definition of fruit

core fruit like we consider fruit? definitely not

but like cycad cones?

iirc some of them were kinda close to being fruitlike

rather than more conelike

more like a really big nut maybe?

idk

[shell sonnet]

In the context of being a fruitivore

[flint sable]

yeah thats fair then

[plush nacelle]

Gingko and confierous definitely can count

[flint sable]

ye

[plush nacelle]

If I am not mistaken there are some birds eating that

[flint sable]

also I just had a thought would that count as a nut?

or fruit better

[plush nacelle]

Imagine how neat would be prehistoric fruit feeding enrichment with juniper berries and araucaria cones as variant to current apple and banana one

[flint sable]

would be noice indeed

I would imagine they would taste like ass to a lot of herbivores though

maybe not

[plush nacelle]

So much potential with feeders. Another one I would like is hay ball variant, but with ferns instead

[desert flame]

Early carnivorous mammals such as Dinictis and Proailurus were adapted to arboreal vivarium.

[lean hound]

eh dinictis could probably work as a full animal

Idk much about it though so correct me if I'm wrong

[desert flame]

Looking at it again, I think its body length is suitable for a regular exhibit.
Sorry, I was wrong.

[feral cedar]

I think Baryonyx could be added to the game, it’s a cool spinosaurid

[tulip umbra]

Nah, too obscure

[river perch]

is it not essentially just a more fragmentary oxalaia?

[desert flame]

Addition of Suchomimus as an alt species of Baryonyx.

[frosty heron]

ichthyovenator but boring👎

absolute zero chance it gets in

[slim flare]

Sounds like they already made up the skins

And Suchomimus was on the post-EA list (for some reason)

[mint creek]

Bary deserves 3 skins imo

[slim flare]

I agree

[desert flame]

Really?
I would be happy if it would be added after the full release.

[slim flare]

Alt species after the initial release of the species have never been entertained publicly as an idea

Oh as a full species, yeah sure

[left spear]

Sucho also (if added) should have 3 skins

All or nothing

[slim flare]

Yeah

But imo Suchomimus should be pretty damn low on the list. It’s more or less a big Baryonyx.

We still have no Ceratosaurs of any kind technically even confirmed. Or Megaraptorid. Or Troodontid. Probably some other non-avian theropod clade too.

Therizinosaurids

[peak hazel]

Suchomimus would be cool to see but theres stuff I'd rather have

especially since we're getting Bary this year

[slim flare]

Guanlong and Yutyrannus also come ahead too

[mint creek]

It's my most wanted spinosaur after the two we've already got but the problem is I don't think we need a third spinosaur for a long time now

[slim flare]

I’d argue Albertosaurus as well

[peak hazel]

this is just my mindset for a lot of creatures really

[left spear]

For base game yeah, but i think It's a perfect DLC contender

[slim flare]

Later, sure

Preferably once the other clades have been better represented

Or if they’re explicitly doing a “clones” DLC for ease with like Torosaurus and Corythosaurus and Giganotosaurus and whatnot

[left spear]

That or an Mesozoic Africa dlc

Sucho, Sarcho, Lurdu and then maybe one of the Kenyan ones

Mostly because i doubt that dlcs are gonna have more than 4 exhibits other than maybe RE

[plush nacelle]

I think animals like sucho will be base game contenders judging by that previous idea list.

[left spear]

Ideally a DLC would be 4 exhibits and 2 vivs

[plush nacelle]

So essentially something, which can use existing rig or cut animal from previous roster

[left spear]

As much as i love sucho i'd rather it's not a base game species tbh.

[slim flare]

Nigersaurus

[left spear]

Oh right

Forgot about it

So anyways Erlhaz dlc

[slim flare]

Lurdu is nothing

[left spear]

Oh gawd

I knew It was frag but damm

Rugops? Tho that's iffy aswell

[slim flare]

Why not Majungasaurus and Rapetosaurus?

And the one with the fucked up teeth

[left spear]

Majunga would ideally be base game

[slim flare]

Oh, I guess

[left spear]

Rapeto would be neat i suppose

But honestly maybe Masiaka

[feral cedar]

Is it possible that PK kept their bary's size more conservative to make Suchomimus feel more distinct when/if it's added

Less size overlap = less redundancy

[slim flare]

Probably not

How specimens are Baryonyx are left after all the Wessex stuff was split? Anything more than the holotype?

[left spear]

A few of the Iberian specimens remain even if most have been moved to Iberospinus or Vallibovenatrix

[slim flare]

So they probably don’t remain

I feel like European Spinosaurids are super over-split but idk

[left spear]

But the non fully matured holotype is by far the most complete

[slim flare]

Is the PK one bigger than the holotype?

[left spear]

Don't think so

[slim flare]

Oof

[left spear]

There are a couple that could probably be knitted into the same genus

[slim flare]

I mean the concept art size may be inaccurate to in gameplay

[abstract compass]

funny that people say that bary and sucho is similar in size when they are not. Sucho is distinct enough to justify being its own thing.

[left spear]

Even if bary is inmature i doubt it would go past 2.5 tons

Sucho is 5

You would need a big stretch to even make them alts

Besides if people are fine with Carch and giga as separate animals then it's quite stupid they complain about sucho bary

[abstract compass]

it has been a ongoing thing people have argued for that sucho is somehow close enough to bary to justify making it a alt species.

[left spear]

crazy

Let's make Gorgo a dasp alt type of logic

[abstract compass]

people tend to argue that carch and giga should be alt species too

(like, of eachother)

and i disagree immensely with that argument too lol

[left spear]

I have made my opinion on giga pretty clear multiple times but if (really when) it's added a carch alt would be inmensly lame

It deserves a 3 way alt imo

Ideally with Mapu/Tyranno and Meraxes

[abstract compass]

i would....probably argue Giga/Mapu only.

[left spear]

To me it's that out of all the giant south american carchs Meraxes is probably the ever so slightly more unique one

It Also adds a tiny bit of size variety

So i think i'd be neat but not a must

Although if It were to only have an alt i would still go for Meraxes, Mapu is almost the same animal and tyranno is kidna eh

Kind of irrelevant at the end of the day since again almost the same animal from what we can tell but still

[abstract compass]

Tyranno is quite aways off timewise, and with its proportional differences i dont think it would fit well. Giga and Mapu are very closely related and rather similar with a few key differences. Meraxes also has some oddities that i would want to wait with adding it.

[left spear]

Completely fair

[abstract compass]

its very easy to glance over most carchs and proclaim "its the same animal"

but in truthfulness if u look into the finer details there's more to all of them that makes them different lol

[slim flare]

Juxia and Paraceratherium?

[left spear]

Juxia and Para is a Big stretch

But i Accept It because It gave us what's currently the best herbivorous mammal

It was also the only way we were getting Juxia or probably another Paraceratherid at all

This doesn't really apply to Sucho

Even if only due to popularity

[slim flare]

Woolly rhinoceros?

[left spear]

Coelo is my third

I like Juxia and Sino more

[shy vale]

so if baryonyx is going to show up in update 18, does that mean that ambulocetus and deinosuchus are also coming?

[left spear]

Very likely

Wonder who of the 3 will get to eat a guest first when they Showcase fatalities

Tho It might be an established species

[ancient ibex]

Suchomimus is an animal with a history of being oversized, even if it was large

[lean hound]

Yeah sucho doesn't need to be base game

It's good dlc material though

[left spear]

I think thats the main concensus

Atleast that of people with good criteria

[slim flare]

I mean, that look’s fucking massive

[left spear]

Sucho is like the runt of megatheropods

Which still means it's Big

An animal treated horribly by media

[silver steeple]

Because it is

Its very much a large animal

[slim flare]

Idk who oversizes it

[silver steeple]

Yeah I've never heard that being the case

Usually I hear its like 11m ish and about 5 tons

So like Tarbo sized practically

[slim flare]

Suchomimus is also one of those species that’s popular in the community but it’s media representation is scant

Outside of the JW website

[silver steeple]

Yeah I actually don't know what film/tv media shows it

[left spear]

JW did sucho so dirty

[slim flare]

Mentioned in JP3 💪

[silver steeple]

I think it shows up in that one Digital Duck short film

[left spear]

It's a cool desing (even if not that appropiate) but It just gets ignored

[silver steeple]

I assume it probably shows up in kids shows here and there

[left spear]

The Prince of spinosaurids yet It gets basically 0 rep

[slim flare]

Again, those designs were never for the film

They’re purely marketing

[silver steeple]

I'd be shocked if like Dino Dan and Dinosaur Train didn't have it at some point

[plush nacelle]

Alright

[silver steeple]

I guess it showed up in Camp Cretaceous recently

[plush nacelle]

There is The Hatchling from 2023 and When crocs ate dinosaurs

Everything else is pure dogshit

[silver steeple]

Or whatever the sequel was

[slim flare]

The most glupshitto of media

[plush nacelle]

Apparently suchomimus made an apparence in this

[silver steeple]

Asylum slop

[slim flare]

[plush nacelle]

Or this

[silver steeple]

That's dinocroc lol

Entirely fake animal

[left spear]

Gets bodied by ||Fucking Majungasaurus|| and struggles against ||A hippo||

I'd rather It didn't show up

[plush nacelle]

According to wiki it is hybrid between suchomimus and crocodile

[silver steeple]

Therefore a fake animal

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-nice-uhhuh-ok-orgazmo-newspaper-gif-24959366

[slim flare]

Regardless, I hope Suchomimus is a long way off

Even theropods aren’t filled out yet, let alone mammals and literally any other clade

[left spear]

Yeah for base game 2 spinosaurids are enough

Just as 2 abelisaurids are enough

The second one obviously being Majunga

[silver steeple]

You'll be lucky to get one atp

[left spear]

Would we?

[slim flare]

We need Ceratosaurus smh

[silver steeple]

While we know Carno is almost certainly coming, we don't know that it'll be in EA or free

[left spear]

I feel like Carno is basically comfirmed, the blurred teaser was real after all

[left spear]

I'd bet it's a 19 animal

[silver steeple]

Just because the teaser is real, doesn't mean plans don't change

[left spear]

Eh

Even then

I think Carno is an extremely safe bet

Like 90% chance

[lean hound]

Carno is a great animal for full release, I'd be suprised if it wasn't u19

[left spear]

Ideally Majunga is a post-release free update animal

Then a potential third one (Rugops maybe?) can be dlc

And with that we are fine

[slim flare]

Major non-avian theropods still missing: Yutyrannus, Guanlong, a Megaraptorid, Ceratosaurus, Albertosaurus and a Therizinosaurid

[left spear]

Also Raja alt for Majunga?

[slim flare]

And imo a Noasaurid or two

[lean hound]

Eh I think I'd want multiple majunga skins

[left spear]

I feel like a Metriacanthosaurid (Yang by far) in place of Guang

But ideally all of those

[slim flare]

TAKE THAT BACK

[left spear]

Don't get me wrong Guang is peak

[slim flare]

They’re not even similar

Yang is fine but why replace Guanlong?

[left spear]

But if our objective is to cover families than Yuty already covers Proceratosauridae

[left spear]

I don't literally mean that

But like

[slim flare]

Arbitrary smh

[ancient ibex]

Yuty dances around the Tyrannosauroid tree

[left spear]

If we were only getting the ones you mentioned i would replace It with yang

Guang can perfectly be added on it's own

[ancient ibex]

And it is very much not redundant with something a fraction of its size living 40 MY before

[slim flare]

But the family!!

Replacing Albertosaurus is the obvious choice

[left spear]

I mean

Tbh

I'd also rather have Yang than Alberto

[slim flare]

Oh I forgot a Troodontid too

But that clade is a fucking warzone right now

[left spear]

If i had to choose one and the other got sent to the shadow realm aswell

[left spear]

Stenon or Laten

Then an Asian one as a viv

And we're good

[toxic oriole]

Troodon itself could work as an alt tbh

[slim flare]

Stenon might be dubious
Laten might be a junior synonym
Troodon may get a neotype

War

[left spear]

Troodontid sp sure

Troodon no

[toxic oriole]

You're no fun! :(

[left spear]

And even then the only value a Troodontid sp would bring would be if you make It the Prince creek one so to have a small Boreal Maniraptoran

Still waiting on that neotype btw

[slim flare]

Major non-avian theropods still missing updated: Ceratosaurus, Yangchuanosaurus, Guanlong, Yutyrannus, Albertosaurus, a Megaraptorid, a Therizinosaurid, Gigantoraptor, and a Troodontid

[left spear]

Yeah looks good

[plush nacelle]

That one big sinosauropteryx relative from yixian would be interesting

[toxic oriole]

Albertosaurus and... Albertosaurus?

[slim flare]

Gorgosaurus alt

[toxic oriole]

Sinocalliopteryx?

[left spear]

Lack of Masiaka but i would be completely fine with It being a dlc

[slim flare]

Pelecanimimus also honorable mention

[left spear]

True

Wait

My boy

[slim flare]

Ornitholestes

[left spear]

Conc 💔

[slim flare]

Meh

[left spear]

Wut

[slim flare]

Not important

[left spear]

Wuuuuut

[lean hound]

how dare you

[left spear]

Literally the most interesting and unique carcharodontosaurid

Really cool formation aswell

And shares It with pelicani

[lean hound]

^

what part of this is meh 😭

[left spear]

And gives Iberia some actually unique animals besides the Morrison copycats

[slim flare]

But we already have two, plus relative Allosaurus and proposed Yang

It’s cool but not a must imo

[left spear]

Okey but like they don't look anything alike 😭

[left spear]

As base game sure but i do think it's an absolute 100% must dlc

[slim flare]

Curious

[lean hound]

cmon it's very different to acro and carch

[left spear]

Guang looks infinitely more like Yuty than Conc like the others

[slim flare]

🤨

[left spear]

They're Both unique to their relatives but Conc more so

[slim flare]

I would disagree

[alpine thicket]

Conc is unique and interesting but the heavily feathered Conc is basically not likely at all, the knobs probably aren't quill knobs.
I still want it but like

It and Yuty occupy a similar space of desire

[left spear]

Conc sadly i feel like it falls into the DLC spearhead niche

Which is not bad per se but yknow

[tulip umbra]

Cryo my nr2 theropod i wanna see

[left spear]

Cryo is underrated but defenetly a DLC animal

Like i've never seen a more DLC animal than cryo

[shy vale]

also a noasaur

[toxic oriole]

Bundle it with Glacialisaurus, regardless of it being "overhyped" or something

just do it.

[left spear]

It would be the main image on the DLC animal wiki Page if It existed

[shy vale]

but do you want a carnivorous one (ex. masiakasaurus) or a herbivorous one (ex. limusaurus)

[tulip umbra]

Was cryo dlc for jwe2? Cant remember

[shy vale]

also where's the abelisaurs?

[toxic oriole]

Deluxe pack

[plush nacelle]

Cryo was base game animal

[left spear]

That was Megalo

[plush nacelle]

I think it was the last one to be revealed and people figured out anyway due to antarctic dig site

[slim flare]

Or two

[left spear]

Tbh i feel like Masiaka is enough

Wouldn't mind an alt but meh

Limu is cool but i'd rather get other small herbivores

[shy vale]

i also would add a caenagnathid

[slim flare]

It’s already there

Gigantoraptor

[shy vale]

that's seen as a potential post-launch animal?

fair enough

but regarding ornithiscians, i think there should be a leptoceratopsid and a parankylosaur

[slim flare]

Probably, yeah

[feral cedar]

Ornithischians are pretty well represented in PK but they're missing just a lil bit more

[slim flare]

I mean Ankylosaurs have a singular species representing them

Despite being incredibly diverse

[feral cedar]

Marginocephalians are still missing Pachycephalosaurus + a smaller one (Prenocephale/Stegoceras), a second chasmosaurine (Pentaceratops/Chasmosaurus), and a leptoceratopsid representative (Udanoceratops?)

[slim flare]

And Stegosaurs need at least a second species

Oh yeah Pachycephalosaurids completely missing smh

And we need Tenontosaurus

[quick ore]

I would say Kunbarrasaurus would be good as a Parankylosaur

adds more australian rep

[shy vale]

i prefer stegouros/patagopelta (particularly with the recent reports of new material)

[quick ore]

is Stegouros big enough

[slim flare]

Outside of Tenont, Ornithopods can be declared done for a while

[quick ore]

can we expect any new exhibit mammals during EA

[slim flare]

Yes

Aquatic mammal at a minimum

[feral cedar]

Thyreophorans are missing a decent stegosaur roster; Stegosaurus itself should be joined by a dacentrurine (Miragaia/Dacentrurus), Kentrosaurus, and a Chinese stegosaur (Tuojiangosaurus?). Furthermore, ankylosaurs need a spiky Mongolian ankylosaurine (Tarchia/Saichania/Pinacosaurus), and some nodosaurs. Edmontonia is goated and probably a polacanthine (Polacanthus/Gastonia), and of course a parankylosaur. I nominate Kunbarrasaurus with heavy Stegouros inspiration for Aussie rep

[tulip umbra]

Stegouros on top

[slim flare]

Asian Stegosaur should be primitive

[feral cedar]

I mean I personally want Tuo AND Gigantspino

But if I had to pick one, it's the former

[slim flare]

Tuo is pretty boring tbh

Huayangosaurus is better

[alpine thicket]

Spico remains a great thyreophoran pick with its updates.

[feral cedar]

And for ornithopods... they're almost there tbh. We need a second saurolophine (Maiasaura/Saurolophus), Tenontosaurus, and I'd like Camptosaurus for Morrison exhibits. Oh and toss in Hypsilophodon if you assume it's an ornithopod, which it seems to currently be

[alpine thicket]

An actual good "obscure animal" pick because it was so cool-looking.

rib spikes

bottom text

[slim flare]

I kinda wish we had more of the non-armor skeleton but yeah

[feral cedar]

Spicomellus is a good "obscure animal" pick because no one is picking it just because it's obscure lol. It's not a hipster maneuver, it's a deliberate choice because that armor is unlike anything else

[alpine thicket]

Exactly.

Picking just because obscure is bad, picking because it's obscure but has unique and interesting traits is not.

[feral cedar]

Also I've deliberately left out vivarium ornithischians so I can rapid-fire them all

A small basal ceratopsian like Yinlong or Aquilops, Scutellosaurus, and our glorious "None of the above" ornithischian king Heterodontosaurus

[quick ore]

Hetero would be good

it's from Africa

and can open the door for more Elliot Formation species

[alpine thicket]

Not bad picks at all, all worthwhile small ornithischians.
When I do more environment builds I want to experiment with integrating shelless vivis, all of those would be neat for that kind of thing too.

[feral cedar]

Elliot Formation animals would be neat but we'd need to make peace with a few of them being vivariums LOL

[alpine thicket]

Sure they can't actually interact with the non-viv animals but it'll add so much to the environment.

[river perch]

the dream to have a bunch of little guys and recreate a Joschua Knüppe piece...

[slim flare]

Sauropodomorphs is Diplodocus, Armagasaurus, Nigersaurus, Mamenchisaurus, maybe Saltasaurus and Shunosaurus

[quick ore]

wouldn't they need underwater viewing for that

or do you mean something more hippo like

[slim flare]

*semiaquatic mammal

[feral cedar]

Lesothosaurus, last I checked, is the earliest most basal thyreophoran. It's basically that venn diagram zone where evolution decided it wanted to make Ankylosaurus but didn't yet start with scutes LOL

[quick ore]

maybe Thalassocnus as a way to cover ground sloths for the time being

[slim flare]

Is the whale thing from WWB

[plush nacelle]

That one definitely should wait for aquatic animals

[quick ore]

Thala wasnt a fully aquatic animal

[feral cedar]

Scutellosaurus does look like God grabbed a Lesothosaurus and said "You have armor now, my child" and just did a quick finger snap

[plush nacelle]

Fun from it comes from diving

[quick ore]

oh true

[feral cedar]

oh right we're getting diving in the wetlands update

[slim flare]

Rn it’d just be a swimming ground sloth… like any ground sloth

[quick ore]

so is the assumption that marsupials/metatherians will only be in dlc or future free updates post launch

[slim flare]

Yes

[quick ore]

damn

[feral cedar]

What do y'all reckon an optimized ground sloth roster would be

[quick ore]

well at least that gives them time to make pouch mechanics potentially

[slim flare]

The roster of exhibit species from now until full launch is pretty well understood

[feral cedar]

Megatherium is our starting point and Thalassocnus is a no-brainer

[plush nacelle]

Megatherium mylodon and tropical one

[left spear]

Like Megatherium, Mylodon, Caribbean sloth viv and maybe Eremotherium

[plush nacelle]

Then thallass once aquatic animals hit

[left spear]

Yeah

[slim flare]

Megalonyx, Mylodon, Caribbean species and Nothrotheriops

[tulip umbra]

Megalonyx

[quick ore]

no Megatherium is wild

[feral cedar]

in an ideal world we'd get Megatherium with americanum/celendinense and Eremotherium alt to cover three integument types 😔

[slim flare]

We already know it’s coming

[feral cedar]

M. americanum gets short fuzz, M. celendinense lived in a colder region so it'd get to be fluffy, and Eremotherium is tropical so it'd be butt naked

[slim flare]

“Short fuzz” doubt

[plush nacelle]

Or nah. The thing PP did

Snow, desert and tropical sloth

[slim flare]

Megalonyx wasn’t a snow sloth

It was temperate to boreal

[left spear]

Just do a megatherium speacies for a boreal sloth

Some lived quite high up in the Andes

[slim flare]

What

[plush nacelle]

So for PK purposes snow sloth

[feral cedar]

Are you a naked Megatherium believer

[slim flare]

No