Community Species Suggestions

[quick ore]

dodos are just big enough to be exhibit species so there's really no reason why they shouldn't be

[hollow flower]

Dodos would be the petting zoo animal

[quick ore]

nah

[hollow flower]

To have them in a vivarium would be doing it a disservice

[quick ore]

I don't think this game will ever incorporate petting zoo stuff

[coarse inlet]

Yeah but dodos would be the right choice if they did tbf

[slender tangle]

I don't know
Thos beaks could probably be a bit nippy

If a toddler gets their finger bitten off you've got a lawsuit on your hands

[coarse inlet]

Yeah but they were apparently very docile

A goat could hurt someone pretty bad but they generally don’t

[slender tangle]

Fair enough

[shell sonnet]

goats are domesticated

[quick ore]

yeah I wouldn't want to risk it with dodos

[fiery crow]

they were basically giant pigeons, so that makes sense

[hollow flower]

Considering weve domesticated pigeon before, I could imagine we could do the same to a dodo

[coarse inlet]

Yeah but they can still be aggressive

Dodos were pretty famously docile

This isn’t an animal whose temperament we have no idea of

[quick ore]

this game isn't going to domesticate dodoa

[plush nacelle]

Bruh. Planet Zoo let people to go into exhibit with animals, which are known to kill people and you are arguging whether dodo is avialable lmao

[quick ore]

PZ is a very different game

[plush nacelle]

Ya. It should be more strict

[coarse inlet]

My point here is that dodos are less dangerous than common petting zoo animals

And not stressed out by people

[cosmic cosmos]

people will hate on those who argue for realism in the case of aquatics like levy and meg (its less fun not having them) but then be like "errrm, but this animal could potentially harm you" when people suggest petting zoo stuff (its also less fun to not have those king of mechanics)

[fiery crow]

people take realism too seriously when it comes to this game. it’s supposed to be accurate, not realistic. realism got thrown out a long time ago just due to the concept of the game.

[coarse inlet]

Would Palaeocastor be a good vivarium species or would their burrows not work with the layout

[fiery crow]

Palaeocastor would work methinks

[tulip umbra]

Stick it in the amphibious viv and have burrows adapt to it like it does for the other burrowing animals

[fiery crow]

wouldn’t that take a lot of coding skills though

[coarse inlet]

They weren’t Semiaquatic

[tulip umbra]

The burrows already adjust to the animals rn, diictodon gets a lot of small tunnels, titano gets big burrows etc

[fiery crow]

ah

[coarse inlet]

I just wonder if the substrate is deep enough

[tulip umbra]

Oh the devil corkscrew

Some smaller ones yea

[plush nacelle]

Hmmm

Mylodon cave fauna, which is macrauchenia, mylodon and arctotherium

South Island of NZ with upland moa

Tasmanian megafauna, definitely thylacoleo. Not sure how people would feel about other animals

From northern hemisphere your usual mammoth steppe, but there are some smaller animals like great auk

[digital pendant]

some megatherium species would have lived in boreal conditions

various glyptodonts did as well

[plush nacelle]

I saw one glyptodon fossil far south on paleodb map

[left spear]

Auks

[digital pendant]

nah you are being way too simplistic lmao

dont look south

look west

the andean mountains

[left spear]

Tho that's RE so i understand that doesn't really count

Teratornis maybe?

[left spear]

Big ass cliff exhibit for Megatherium would go hard

[digital pendant]

panochthus and glyptodon have been found high up in the andes

populator is a boreal species

[mint creek]

megatherium my beloved

[digital pendant]

in fact it was found in all biomes that the game has

ofc it cant have them all for balancing purposes

[left spear]

Only non-"penguin" non-mammal i can think of tbh

[slender tangle]

Fuck it we ball
Flightless bird pack:

Exhibit species
-North/South Giant Moa (plants) (grassland, desert, temperate, coastal)
-Upland moa (plants/fruit) (grassland, temperate, boreal)
-Dodo (fruits/insects) (scrubland, tropical)
-Elephant Bird (plants) (tropical, wetland, scrubland)
-Gastoris (fruits/insects) (tropical, wetland)
-Titanis (meat) (grassland, temperate, tropical)

Vivarium species
-Great Auk (fish) (amphibious)

[left spear]

Of these all but one are more for RE lol

But good list still

[slender tangle]

I wanted to add a terror bird, but the pack was getting too big

[open heron]

I think you could cut some of the recently extinct shoeins and put stuff like that in their place if you still want to squeeze it in.

[plush nacelle]

Another interesting animal I can think of is hesperotherium, but I am not completely sure about climate in northeastern china back then

[digital pendant]

ah yeah diprotodon is a boreal animal

[slender tangle]

Hesper lived in both tropical and boreal conditions at different times iirc

Like, there one in tropical pliocene deposits with gigantopithecus, and one in pleistocene siberia

[left spear]

Wait It lived on Tasmania?

[plush nacelle]

I think hespero was like many SEA animals right now when there is subspecies suited for tropical climate and boreal at the same time. Stuff like dholes, tigers and such

[digital pendant]

i dont recall tasmania proper, but it was found in southern regions of the continent which had tundra conditions

[left spear]

Oh dawg

Nice

[fiery crow]

we could have Dipro with a Euryzygoma alt. genus

[left spear]

So boreal Thylacinus is real

[plush nacelle]

Anisodon with hesperotherium alt would be so dope, but there is this fame stealer chalicotherium around 🥀

[left spear]

So basically half of Australia's pleistocene is Boreal aswell

[digital pendant]

if they reached the very southern bit

yes

that ofc varies between glacials and inter glacials

diprotodon was super widespread in both

[left spear]

Does Naracoorte count?

Because then Thylacoleo counts as Boreal aswell

[fresh ember]

I can kinda see them making the crossing whenever sea levels dropped.

[slender tangle]

Replaced Sylviornis with Titanis to balance out the RE taxa

[plush nacelle]

I think problem with diprotodon and boreal climate is megalania also being present far south and I personally dont think megalania could live in really cold environment

[digital pendant]

again

depends on the age

during GLACIALS it was tundra

during interglacials it wasnt

during interglacials it would be like today

the megalania present from the south are likely from interglacials

[left spear]

Okey

But

Consider

Woolly Megalania

[fresh ember]

Having shaggy and thin-pelted variants would be nice for Diprotodon and the like.

[slender tangle]

Cave Quinkana

[fresh ember]

Yeah, that tracks.

[digital pendant]

Sahul during the last glacial maximum

[left spear]

So, is Boreal Thylacine possible? Or would It depend on the period

[plush nacelle]

I think it can

[cosmic cosmos]

Only two modern Varanids live in what i would call cold climates, those being Varanus varius and Varanus rosenbergi

[plush nacelle]

I recently found about potential thylacoleo subspecies, which was exclusive to tasmania

Since fossil specimens from tasmania have apparently slightly different dentition

[digital pendant]

tbf megalania was probably cold tolerant enough

[plush nacelle]

Oh thylacine

Nevermind lmao

[digital pendant]

given its size, plus enduring the night in the desert regions

[left spear]

Non-thylacine Tasmanian fauna gets kidna shafted, not new Zealand levels obviously but It still has a lot of cool stuff like dwarf emus

[fresh ember]

Plus, they could probably sleep through winters like modern alligators.

[left spear]

Enough for Boreal tho? I mean It would fit all other biomes

Might aswell give them that one for completion

[digital pendant]

nah just talking in general, cant have all biomes in game for an animal

[flint sable]

idk

thats a good question

[left spear]

Honestly the idea of making an ice ahe Boreal park and having a Big ass lizard as the apex predator is quite amusing

[flint sable]

Tasmania does get snow but not signifigant ammounts

although it would have gotten more in the Pleistocene presumabley, even small areas in Southern Australia too

I would say probably no though, more comparable to coastal

but with some snow

[left spear]

Vivariums:

[fresh ember]

This convo further convinces me to do Pangaea: Ice Age on the Canada map. I was considering it beforehand, but boreal Aussies further supports that notion.

[left spear]

So, Grassland, Scrubland, Temperate and Coastal?

Idk about desert

[flint sable]

lowk you could probably realistically do all biomes except Wetland and Boreal

but desert isnt the best fit

[left spear]

Oh yeah wth tropical

[flint sable]

definitely Tropical too though, Northern Australia and New Guinea is quite tropical

[left spear]

Wheres that Papua eDNA

[flint sable]

so Grassland, Scrubland, Temperate, Tropical and Coastal

maybe Desert but probably not

not ideal habitat thats for sure

[left spear]

I mean even if not prefered i feel like wetland would be fine aswell

[flint sable]

Wetland is lowk a weird biome

ingame

cause unlike all the others its not defined by the temperature or plantlife but just the wetness

[cosmic cosmos]

given the range of habitats and temperatures V. varius can be found in, i can see it being argued for V priscus

[digital pendant]

yup

[flint sable]

so it lumps like Mangrove Swamps, Cypress Bayous, Estruaries, Marshes, Bogs, ect all into one category despite being vastly different in most aspects other than just wet

[left spear]

I was thinking like temperate wetlands or peatlands

Maybe drier marshes

Oh also answering the original question Warrah for a Boreal and Grassland animal

Doubt It would be RE

[flint sable]

makes sense

wait no

Boreal, Temperate

grassland is like specifically tropical grassland, no?

[left spear]

Idk

Temperate Steppe essentially

[flint sable]

look at the plants and grass color

much closer to the temperate flower field brush

even though not really comparable to either, the falklands are essentially just a sad grassy rock collection

thats windy and cold

[left spear]

What

Bruh

[flint sable]

yeah argentina but the falkland islands specifically are miserable

[left spear]

They lived on the mainland aswell

[flint sable]

i guess if we are counting D. avus as well then yeah throw grassland and coastal in there too

but whether or not they are the same species is somewhat debated but they would be good alts or just skins either way

(they probably are)

[plush nacelle]

I dont think this is best example, cause lace monitor is rather small and during winter vastly reduce activity and seek shelter under ground or in tree trunks, which is probably not what megalania could reliably do

[coarse inlet]

I’d say in this game steppe and taiga are boreal

[cosmic cosmos]

v. priscus could probably burrow as well as any other terrestrial monitor to enter dormancy

modern day komodos dig out full burrows

[left spear]

Tbf Megalania is like 2.5 times the size of a Komodo

But yeah they could probably go into Brumation still

Aswell as invade and ocupy other animal's burrows

[cosmic cosmos]

the argument was that v. priscus couldnt/wouldnt dig out a burrow, but we see that behaviour in pretty much every non arboreal/semi aquatic monitor

[coarse inlet]

I mean Nile crocodiles dig burrows

No reason Megalania would be too big

[left spear]

Megatherines built burrows

Hell most Varanids in general are excellent at anything burrow related

[plush nacelle]

I mean it would be very interesting environment for your apex predator to become mostly inactive for whole winter, while waiting in burrow for temperatures to rise

[cosmic cosmos]

thyla is also from the same sites, maybe they were the major predator at different parts of the year?

[left spear]

There's still Thylacoleo

And ig Salties and Freshies

[cosmic cosmos]

never this far south

[left spear]

Meg's unrivaled apex status is kind of a myth

[plush nacelle]

I think megalania was simply adapted to warm climate, makes more sense

[left spear]

Eh

One would say the same about gators

I don't think they would have been a common species on those regions

But small specialized populations most likely existed

[cosmic cosmos]

lace monitors can be found on tropical islands, temperate scrubs, deserts, rainforests, alpine complexes and more, and heaths are found in the same habitats minus the tropical ones

varanids are highly adaptable

its not an either-or scenario

[cosmic cosmos]

For skins, i think ones based on the perentie, lace monitor and large scaled monitor could be good. One spotted pattern, one striped and one weird one

for v. priscus

[left spear]

Very out there but i think a toned down MacRae's monitor would be great

[slim flare]

I mean beyond humans (and Denisovans…), is it? It’s significantly larger than any other predator around

[coarse inlet]

Yeah but it wasn’t the sole dominant predator of the ecosystem

[cosmic cosmos]

dont like this because that pattern only works thanks to how small they are and the fact they are arboreal

[slim flare]

Definitely not sole, but why not dominant?

It had to deal with Thylacoleo, Quinkana and thylacines, none of which are particularly large or seemingly even adapted for hunting megafauna

You have saltwater crocodiles, but that quickly becomes a difference of domains

[left spear]

I was thinking of Thylacoleo being a significant if still small rival and the 2 big crocs

Ah

Didn't see that last message

There's also that giant eagle and Big Quinkana

But Who cares about Quinkana

[slim flare]

Pretty sure an adult megalania would gobble up an adult Thylacoleo

[left spear]

Idk, It seems like even then It would be risky

[left spear]

Dyna something It was called

Dynatoaetus

I could see them trying to go after subadult, injured or sleeping Megalania

[slim flare]

Sleeping megalania is crazy

[left spear]

Eagles sometimes give their shot to wolfs and such

Not saying they would be succesful

But i can perfectly see them trying

[cosmic cosmos]

a sleeping v. priscus is in a cave of underground, i dont really see such an opportunity arising

[slim flare]

Megalania is way bigger than a wolf

Do eagles ever hunt crocodiles?

[coarse inlet]

Probably babies lol

[tulip umbra]

Jan 23rd, Titanotylopus Nebraskensis. Standing 3.5m tall at the shoulders, it is the largest camel to ever roam the planet. It’s essentially a giant camel that roamed the Miocene to the Pleistocene, having been one of the last surviving members in North America alongside Camelops.

[hollow flower]

On the topic of camels

Aepycamelus

[ancient ibex]

Big camel and big llama

[tulip umbra]

Do we think Titanotylopus and Camelops could be alts?

[flint sable]

probably

about as similar as juxia and paracer

[fiery crow]

…Aepycamelus WAS a camel, though. it only looks like a llama.

[ancient ibex]

It has been recovered as part of Lamini

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33133011/ From this one

[low bridge]

Let's have Stupendemys in Prehistoric Kingdom

Will it fit in Vivarium ???

[left spear]

I mean

Yeah

[toxic oriole]

You'd be STUPEN to not include this

[left spear]

Hell naw

It's a 6 meter long turtle

It works perfectly fine as an aquatic

[toxic oriole]

That hasnt stopped people from putting Sea Turtles in aquariums

Smaller ones at least

[left spear]

Or ig semi-terrestrial

[low bridge]

Carbonemys would be Nice too

[left spear]

Sure, idk if they could be alts

[low bridge]

Cerrejon Giant Freshwater Turtle ,but Stupendemys negs him in size

Tbh Cenozoic turtles are better than Mesozoic ones

[feral cedar]

The most wanted extinct turtle is Mesozoic

[low bridge]

We don't have sea for Archelon

[digital pendant]

Stupendemys is realistically too big for the largest vivarium tbh

[toxic oriole]

and yet titanoboa is in there..............................

[low bridge]

Stupendemys would Fit in full size Lake or Wetland Swamp

In normal exhibit

[digital pendant]

Comparing a snake that can curl up to a king sized monster its quite a reach

[toxic oriole]

Though I believe Titanoboa is just the exception and not the norm

[feral cedar]

Also snakes love to just

do nothing

they sit there chilling

[cosmic cosmos]

unless they are marine lol

[toxic oriole]

I take it there are no prehistoric anglerfish

[low bridge]

If stupendemys is too big, what about Carb the Carbonemys??

[feral cedar]

Carbonemys is terrestrial and could easily be a full exhibit animal

[low bridge]

Megalochelys too

[digital pendant]

Might work maybe

[digital pendant]

Nope

Its not terrestrial lmao

[feral cedar]

what

[low bridge]

Carb is just Freshwater Turtle

[feral cedar]

I mean by that logic I'd rather get Stupendemys then tbh

At least it has those weird horns on its shell

[cosmic cosmos]

ark fully bullshitted the bodyplan lol

[left spear]

Ark got you there huh

[feral cedar]

didn't know Carbonemys was in ark

[low bridge]

I think that Carb the Carbonemys will be needing 50% water, 50% land to exist

Or 75 water and 25 land

[feral cedar]

Ok so the turtle roster ought to be Stupendemys for freshwater turtles, Archelon for sea turtles, Megalochelys for tortoises, and then let's toss in Meiolania because like all things Australian it was bizarre

[tulip umbra]

Perhaps u were thinking of basilemys

[digital pendant]

Nah tbf the press article shows carbo as terrestrial

[feral cedar]

Basilemys could be a fun vivarium critter to act as a terrestrial counterpart to Sahonachelys

[low bridge]

Caninemys

[feral cedar]

And the Wikipedia page

[digital pendant]

Thats the press art im talking about

[feral cedar]

oh

lol

[toxic oriole]

Tell the wikipedia editors to find a more accurate picture for it

smh.........

[feral cedar]

Oh this turtle was named in 2012? Pfff

[toxic oriole]

Oh, thats a coincidence

That year is around the exact same time Lonesome George died

The last pure-blooded pinta island tortoise (I believe they were pure-blooded and not a crossbreed)

[tulip umbra]

Find me some good art so i can add him lol

[low bridge]

Ishowcarbonemys

[low bridge]

Alien, no way

[toxic oriole]

Just noticed how Stupendemys and Archelon look rather similar in size

In these pictures at least

[tulip umbra]

Archelon is slightly bigger stupendemys is in between archelon and protostega

[toxic oriole]

2nd largest tutel, huh?

[tulip umbra]

The view from archelon in this pic is slightly on its side

[fiery crow]

isn’t Carbonemys believed to have been more aquatic nowadays?

[feral cedar]

Yeah looking at this collage of turtles (and a bunch of... placodonts) I sort of rest my case

[left spear]

Well, that was for the better

[feral cedar]

Archelon/Megalochelys/Meiolania/Stupendemys with Basilemys as a land vivarium

[low bridge]

Stupendemys the God Turtle

[feral cedar]

peak turt roster

[fiery crow]

o7 Carbonemys

[low bridge]

Peak as Hell

[feral cedar]

Carbonemys lost its spot to Megalochelys

Megalochelys is actually terrestrial

[fiery crow]

I’d also recommend Henodus and Odontochelys for amphibious vivies

[feral cedar]

And as a freshwater turtle, Carbonemys has to compete with Stupendemys

Like, talk about being dethroned

[left spear]

Tbh Carbo should just be a Stupen alt

[tulip umbra]

They could be alts if devs want to

[left spear]

Or the other way around

[low bridge]

Stupendemys is just bigger and better than Carb the Carbonemys

[feral cedar]

you should be a stupen alt

[fiery crow]

now… if only there was an extinct arboreal turtle/tortoise that gets discovered the second I post this

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-psychicpebbles-pim-smiling-friends-pim-mr-boss-gif-1373626090718171797

[left spear]

Really? I'd love that...

[low bridge]

Yeah

[feral cedar]

I mean based on how alts seem to work Carbonemys would be the alt

[left spear]

Probably

[feral cedar]

It'd be a tweaked Stupendemys with the shell horn growth turned off

[low bridge]

Only penguin i see in Prehistoric Kingdom is Anthropornis

[left spear]

Stupen also has greater skin potential so

[fiery crow]

what about Kairuku?

[feral cedar]

All this Cenozoic talk and yet you neglect to mention Inkayacu

Pretender

[low bridge]

This one too

[tulip umbra]

There are way more

[left spear]

Waimanu ignored once again 🥀

[low bridge]

Palaeulyptydes

[tulip umbra]

The best one

[toxic oriole]

And this is coming from Dr. Penguin

Surely they'd be aware of every single penguin

extinct and extant

Give it to me straight doc, what penguin would be able to be put into a vivarium?

[feral cedar]

Honestly, I'm not sure. Penguins are very swift swimmers so I'm not sure if a vivarium would accomodate them

If I had to pick one though I'd go for the great auk

[left spear]

I mean

I could see a few of the smaller ones on the largest vivarium

[feral cedar]

perhaps, but all the best extinct penguins are big boys

[left spear]

Eh

Waimanu is cool

And for "penguins" you have Auk

[tulip umbra]

I think most people would just want to free build for penguins like in PZ

[left spear]

Auk could be a viv but that would be kidna lame

[feral cedar]

Inkayacu was reddish brown and grey instead of the typical black and white, that's a fact

It has a very long spear-like beak too

[toxic oriole]

So thats how it catches fish

It STABS them

Making a... Kibab?

[low bridge]

U know how it looks, because U keep 1 as pet

[toxic oriole]

Is that what its called?

[tulip umbra]

Id hope its an alt to kairuku or icadyptes

[toxic oriole]

Fish kebab moment

[tulip umbra]

Single skin is all it needs really

[low bridge]

Let's have Bison Latifrons and cook it

[tulip umbra]

They did that to Bos Priscus

Crazy someone actually made stew from an extinct animal

[fiery crow]

Inkayacu would be better off as a separate species in my opinion

[feral cedar]

ngl Inkayacu could be an Icadyptes alt

[fiery crow]

I disagree, it’s better off as a separate species

[feral cedar]

I do prefer Inkayacu only

No real point in adding 2 Peruvian spear-beaked penguins

[fiery crow]

I think both are good

[vast berry]

Brontoscorpio

[cosmic cosmos]

brontoscorpio

remember what we said about names

[vast berry]

We need Stomatosuchus, the pancake croc of Egypt

[shy vale]

technically proterosuchus isn't even a pseudosuchian

also are the cenozoic crocs in a different pack in this scenario?

[quick ore]

you misspelled Mahajangasuchus

[quick ore]

wtf is that ai-ass Morrosaurus

the PhP look is right there

[vast berry]

Oh, stop complaining will ya?

[quick ore]

you're the one who used AI slop images

[fiery crow]

ew. AI slop.

[vast berry]

It's a Morrosaurus; whether or not AI was involved is irrelevant
Why are you getting so worked up over an image I indiscriminately found online?

[fiery crow]

you could’ve just used the PhP Morrosaurus

[quick ore]

why are you indiscriminately using images

maybe you should try discriminating them first so that your dlc images look better

like regardless of it being AI it also looks like shit and looks nothing like the actual animal so you aren't selling the idea of the dlc by using it

[tulip umbra]

Many of these “dlc concepts” are just boring imo

Also Antarctodon… like why…

[toxic oriole]

Cryolophosaurus and Glacialisaurus though

Definitely bundle the two together

Same place, same space, same time

[plush nacelle]

Ngl, I would like for someone to finally pack up DLC concept with building theme and plants

[toxic oriole]

Hmmm...

[low bridge]

Poor bison priscus even 5400 years after his death still seen as food

[flint sable]

mammoths currently hold the record for most times eaten in modern times

for pleistocene stuff I think

iirc its happened at a minimum of 3 times

and thats what was just written down

[shell sonnet]

Glaciali is overhyped

[peak hazel]

cryo isn't

[shell sonnet]

I didn't say it was.

[peak hazel]

yeah which is why its a good choice

but I think a specific Antarctica pack isn't the way to go

unless they let me recreate the thing

[desert flame]

Personally, I'd like to include Desmatosuchus or　Armadillosuchus.

[quick ore]

Armadillosuchus wouldn't have looked like that

the osteoderms were covered in skin

[fiery crow]

would it have looked more similar to a normal croc

[quick ore]

no

[desert flame]

If it was covered in skin, this might be closer to how it looked.

[peak hazel]

still a weird guy but not weird in the same way

[quick ore]

yeah

[toxic oriole]

Really?

Cant have anything these days >:(

cuz of people like you...

:(((

[cosmic cosmos]

are there any large snake necked turtles? i feel that one could be a good addition at exhibit size

[left spear]

Tbh for viv turtles i feel like we'd be fine with Sahona and then Basilemys

[cosmic cosmos]

i was asking about exhibit sized ones

[left spear]

Ah

Then i don't think so

Unless you count Stupen with a Carbo alt

But i wouldn't

[cosmic cosmos]

sad, a giant version of this would be so cool and funny

[left spear]

And scary

[cosmic cosmos]

the scariest thing about turtles is the anatomy of their shells (and sea turtle throats)

[fresh ember]

Not a true turtle, but Proganochelys would like a word with you.

[abstract compass]

henodus.

glory to H

[fiery crow]

Psephoderma and Cyamodus too

[left spear]

Oh that's a turle right, idk i always see in art on land so my brain just accepted it as a tortoise lol

[fresh ember]

Stem-turtle, actually.

[left spear]

Well yes

I meant as in turtle-like

[slender tangle]

Meiolania would be cool as an exhibit stem-turtle

[tulip umbra]

Tortoises are turtles

[slender tangle]

Maybe with an alt species based on one of its relatives from polynesia or south america

[fiery crow]

tortoises are basically terrestrial turtles

[slender tangle]

That's literally what they are

[fiery crow]

…yeah, that’s what I said

[left spear]

When It comes to zoo making they're not

Completely different niches and exhibits

[fiery crow]

though now I’m curious, did marine turtles get their modern bodyplan due to convergent evolution with placodonts like Henodus and Psephoderma, or was it just pure coincidence?

[slender tangle]

I was trying to emphasize that was exactly what they were, not just in a general vibe sense

Cause they literally are just a branch of fully terrestrial cryptodire turtles

[tulip umbra]

Im just clarifying it for you

[cosmic cosmos]

meiolania would be better off using three of its own species M. platyceps, M. brevicollis and M. sp (Wyandotte species)

[feral cedar]

Because independent of the ethical considerations of using AI-generated images, often times these images are Frankenstein monster amalgamations of a bunch of other things online that does not provide an accurate visual of the animal you’re pushing for

[frozen gyro]

This depiction is pretty inaccurate. I have a reconstruction of it funnily enough...||(Yes I know it's not what you were trying to show, just thought I would have fun showing off my reconstruction)||.

[ancient ibex]

C'mon PK Stego...

[toxic oriole]

Titanic stegosaur?

👀

[tulip umbra]

Jan 24th, Grallistrix Geleches. Grallistrix is a now extinct owl genus that used to hunt small tropical birds like Honeycreepers in Hawaii until the arrival of Polynesian settlers. The genus contains four species of which the species found on the Hawaiian island Moloka’i is the largest standing 60cm tall. They’re also known as the Stilt-owls, in reference to their exceptionally long legs. For its inclusion in pk, it is essentially a smaller version of Ornimegalonyx (which I would prefer as an exhibit species), being better suited for the arboreal vivarium.

[left spear]

Priconodon of stegosaurids

Gotta love a second Titanic gluppshitothyreophoran

Nah but actually cool

Always seemed weird to me how thyreophorans remained somewhat small compared to ceratopsians

[coarse inlet]

I dont see what's weird about that

you don't need to be as big if you've got spikes and armor

[ancient ibex]

It is likely just a bigass Stegosaurus that got described today

[toxic oriole]

Giant Stegosaurus individual???

[coarse inlet]

probably

[left spear]

Do we know if It actually climbed or could fly? Because It looks more like a terrestrial vivarium like with a burrowing owl

[tulip umbra]

It can fly yea, most likely ate small tropical birds

[mint creek]

what the fuck

[left spear]

Arboreal then yeah

[tulip umbra]

Why does that not seem all that titanic to me lol

[fresh ember]

For me, it's because Stegosaurus used to be depicted as that large.

Up until the 2010's, anyways.

[toxic oriole]

so you mean to tell me

Jurassic Park Stego was close to THAT size?

[fresh ember]

The OG animatronic, seems to be.

[tulip umbra]

I mean stego is not a small dino, its still the biggest of all stegosaurids

[toxic oriole]

Could've sworn Dacentrurus or Miragaia was the largest stegosaurid

How many times does this keep changing?

[tulip umbra]

Is it? Im not too sure myself

[toxic oriole]

It keeps changing and I am not sure which side to take

[tulip umbra]

Ive never delved that deep into stegosaurs but im pretty sure stego has always been the biggest

[ancient ibex]

I'd say that's not a good angle to take

The largest is the one that the material we have point towards being larger

"X is the largest Y" is something that is prone to change

[coarse inlet]

Stegosaurus and Dacentrurus both seem to occupy the same upper part of stegosaurian size range

without an actual sample of the population, saying which was bigger feels like an impossible question to answer

[ancient ibex]

Both would be huge things, quite closely related in the grand scheme of things, and yet likely with quite distinct silouettes

As both lineages seem to coexist

(So, both is good lol)

[fiery crow]

HABITAT:

• Anteosaurus magnificus
• Bohra paulae
• Kosmodraco dakotensis (alt. species magnicornis)
• Manis palaeojavanica
• Megalotragus kattwinkeli
• Pavo bravardi
• Regaliceratops peterhewsi
• Rusingoryx atopocranion
• Shunosaurus lii
• Teyumbaita sulcognathus
• Titanotylopus nebraskensis
• Xenokeryx amidalae

AQUARIUM:

• Abyssosaurus nataliae
• Alienacanthus malkowskii
• Ankylorhiza tiedemani
• Brachiosuchus kabanishensis
• Megalampris kayesi
• Xiphiorhynchus rotundus

AVIARY:

• Buteogallus daggetti
• Istiodactylus latidens
• Thalassodromeus sethi

VIVARIUM:

• Austrolimulus fletcheri
• Dollocaris ingens
• Grallistrix geleches
• Mesolimulus walchi
• Teraterpeton hyrnewichorum

[tulip umbra]

Gonna be a very long list if i keep it up for a year lol

[fiery crow]

I’m probably gotta have to keep it to my Notes soon

though I have noticed. there’s like only two Palaeozoic animals so far. imo there’s 100% should be some more.

[tulip umbra]

Hmm yes

Ill keep it in mind

[fiery crow]

Smok wawelski would be nice to see in the game (this isn’t directed at you Quiv)

[tulip umbra]

Smok is cool, but unfortunately has some issues

Kinda like Andrewsarchus i think

[fiery crow]

too fragmentary + we don’t really know what it was yet

[tulip umbra]

Isnt something like either dinosaur or pseudosuchian?

[fiery crow]

it’s believed to be an archosaur of some sort iirc

[tulip umbra]

Its not even that fragmentary, its just missing the most important parts and has confusing traits of both sides

[tulip umbra]

So its like it has some pseudosuchian traits and some dinosaur traits and we dont know what it is then

[ancient ibex]

Can see both Herrerasaurus and Postosuchus in that face

[tulip umbra]

If only we had the ankle…

[fiery crow]

oh I had no idea there was THAT much of it

we know that shuvosaurids existed. maybe Smok was a shuvosaur?

[tulip umbra]

I think ive even heard some say it might be an entirely separate group outside of the pseudosuchians and dinosaurs that we just have yet to discover

Im running out of space… 🙂‍↕️

And i still wanna add thallatosaurs….

[fiery crow]

you might have to make another one

[cosmic cosmos]

are any of the things here even real lizards

[tulip umbra]

I already split of the lepidosaurs haha

[tulip umbra]

No, title is placeholder

I got no clue what im gonna title it

[cosmic cosmos]

just call it the not-lizards lmao

[tulip umbra]

I couldnt draw a line 😩

So i include everything

[cosmic cosmos]

i cant wait to see your sauropterygian collection

[tulip umbra]

Hmmm idk if i want to do well represented groups like that

U could easily find something with original art that are 10000x better than anything i “make”

Like id just be duplicating this with ofc more animals but yea

Credit to Mario Lanzas ofc

[fiery crow]

I had no idea Nothosaurus was that big ngl

[steep carbon]

so the final animal count when early access releases will be 96 species, if I'm counting right?

or am i counting wrong?

[steep carbon]

henodus is my favorite, little freak

[cosmic cosmos]

there are alot of species, of varying size

[tulip umbra]

Jwe makes it look small in game cuz of the giant lagoons lol

[cosmic cosmos]

the type species is considerably smaller than the largest ones

[fiery crow]

Nothosaurus for full habitat and Lariosaurus as a vivie works for me

[fiery crow]

that’s still pretty big

[tulip umbra]

I will say Mario Lanzas tends to oversize his stuff ive noticed

And his mammals are terrible imo

But hes got a lot of good ofc

[steep carbon]

you think the pachy alt is Stigimoloch or prenochephale?

[cosmic cosmos]

stygi for sure, preno would have to be its own thing

[shell sonnet]

Kuhenosauru'

s wings are too big

that's more like Kuehneosuchus

[tulip umbra]

Quite the confusing rabbit hole, but it seems u are right

Im probably going to rename it to kuehneosuchus then and just forget abt kuehneosaurus

[eager thunder]

Bobosaurus is really funny to me for some reason

[fiery crow]

it’s the name

[burnt shore]

Bobobo-Bo Bo-bobosaurus

[fiery crow]

based reference

[tough marsh]

Question are these to scale?

[tulip umbra]

Everything except the stack in top left corner and bunostegos

If u see any issues lmk

[tough marsh]

you need help with buno?

[tulip umbra]

Cant find suitable art for it that i like, the one rn looks too inaccurate and wrong proportionally

[plush nacelle]

This was something revealed during mineral expo in Poland so not really widespread info yet, but people responsible for Smok discovery found some clues proving smok was dinosaur. What kind we are yet to see, cause they still write paper on it

But apparently it is enough for us to determine relationship

[tough marsh]

It is inaccurate Buno is unique for being the only upright postured member of the group

[vast berry]

We need Moschops

[tulip umbra]

Finding good art for the big procolophonids in general is just a pain in the ass, even scuto

[tough marsh]

You want me to give you one

[tulip umbra]

Sure

[low bridge]

We need Bizzare mammal from Africa: Arsinoitherium

[desert flame]

At least the Hyaenodon will come.

[shell sonnet]

We can't say that

[eager thunder]

We can’t be sure on anything

[shell sonnet]

We can be sure about Stegosaurus stenops and Allosaurus fragalis, and there's no reason to think S. ungulatus, A. europaeus, jimmadseni or anax aren't coming. We can say with 99% certainty that Baryonyx walkeri, Utahraptor ostrommaysi, and Carnotaurus sastrei are also coming.

[slim flare]

What

[slim flare]

Did you not read the last dev diary? All four Allosaurus species are confirmed and so are both Stegosaurus species

Baryonyx is confirmed, Utahraptor is effectively confirmed and Carnotaurus is implied confirmed

[desert flame]

I think there is a high possibility that animals that have been banned from EA will be added in the future.
of course, I understand that designs and models need to be reworked.

[slim flare]

I mean considering they already brought back Plateosaurus, Gallimimus and Oviraptor, yeah

Which were not on the third EA confirmed list

[outer crater]

Is there proof that stego will have 2 species instead of 1? They showed all 4 stego skins and none have any model difference

[shell sonnet]

They said so back in Nov.

[slim flare]

No one reads the dev logs 😭

This Jurassic classic will be arriving with four different designs: two for Stegosaurus stenops and two for Stegosaurus ungulatus.

[low bridge]

Hyaenodon is Lovely just like Arsinoitherium, Embolotherium, Megacerops, Daeodon, Aepycamelus, Titanotylopus, Dinocrocuta, Homotherium, Arctodus Dude

[eager thunder]

Hyaenodon fills the pack hunter mammal niche that isn’t filled in my mind

That or a Dire Wolf

[slim flare]

Dire wolf…

[eager thunder]

Ye ye

I have a soft spot for the modern animal analog animals

Cave lions and bears and all

[slim flare]

Do we have reason to believe Hyaenodon hunted in packs?

[eager thunder]

Apparently there is evidence the smaller species did

[fresh ember]

It's not even for an analog's sake, they're like, one of the most iconic Ice Age predators, GoT be damned.

[eager thunder]

I won’t argue with that

But both would be really good

Id love both

[slim flare]

Steppe hyena…

[eager thunder]

The Cave animal trilogy

[fresh ember]

Also, so far, the only article I've found regarding Hyaenodon's sociality suggests they were solitary.
https://utheses.univie.ac.at/detail/16881#

[eager thunder]

I really remember something about the smaller species pack hunting

ive usually been wrong tho so weh

[fresh ember]

That's OK, I've cut out the link to double-check.

[flint sable]

I wonder what the rough equivalent of Dire Wolves might have been in their ecosystem, although I imagine it varied widely depending on exactly where they lived

just as a hypothetical example, in warmer areas with more abundant prey they may have behaved more similarly to dholes, with very large almost moblike packs; whereas in areas with less favourable conditions such as the Northeast they might have had smaller pack sizes

it would also match with size, as the absolute largest dire wolves lived in the Northeast/Eastern parts of North America; and if they were so big they wouldnt have needed as large of a pack size to sucuessfully hunt game

thoughts?

[flint sable]

such as La Brea or South America

[slim flare]

What

[flint sable]

A. A. dirus was the larger of the two and was primarily found in the eastern half of the US

[slim flare]

“A. A. dirus”

[flint sable]

wait mb, A dirus dirus

[slim flare]

do grey wolves that are larger hunt in smaller packs?

[flint sable]

good question

will look into that

[slim flare]

Because prey gets bigger North too

[low bridge]

Cave Hyena...

[eager thunder]

ye ive been informed

[flint sable]

actually it seems to have been kind of the opposite now that I look at it in grey wolves

Arabian Wolves and Indian wolves have typically smaller pack sizes and individual sizes than larger wolves such as in Alaska or Canada

so its quite probable it may have been the other way around, actually

[slim flare]

Tbf Indian wolves may be better classified as a separate species

[low bridge]

It depends on which animals they hunt

[flint sable]

due to the more hostile conditions and competition

[flint sable]

thats fair but either way, dire wolf is equally closely related

no reason to use grey wolves as a base; african jackals, dholes, african wild dogs, and canis are all equally close taxnomically and potentially equally close in behavior

[low bridge]

I would love to see Cave Hyena in Prehistoric Kingdom

Peak Hyena

[flint sable]

although saying this; arabian wolves arent nessecarily a good comparison for say, La Brea, however Indian Wolves live in a similarly competitive environment compared to parts of North America in the pleistocene

so they could be a decent analogue

[peak hazel]

I don't really know how cave hyenas are taxonomically

do we let a subspecies in

[low bridge]

Good alternative for more famous "big cats"

[flint sable]

iirc nowadays pretty solidly their own species; diverged from living crocruta in the pliocene

[slim flare]

Ok but dire wolves are significantly larger

[low bridge]

Pantheras and Smilodon

[flint sable]

fair, but how could this have affected pack size?

[slim flare]

A. Quagga and wild horse are confirmed, so yes
B. It’s a separate species

[flint sable]

theres not really a way to know; its kinda weird

[peak hazel]

ah

thought it was a subspecies for some reason

[flint sable]

the largest living canids are essentially apex predators where they live for the most part; and even if they arent not anywhere near as much competition as today

[slim flare]

I’m saying they would not have the niche of Indian wolves

[flint sable]

its also important to note the largest wolves today also inhabit mostly boreal forest, which would have been far scarcer back then

[slim flare]

Probably similar in niche to megafaunal hunting grey wolves

Except with even bigger prey

[flint sable]

I doubt this likely would have effected this much, though

in that case I think Grey Wolves/Indian Wolves arent a particularly good comparison

for their behavior

if living in warmer environments especially; if they were megafaunal specialists Dholes or African Wild Dogs sound more similar to me at least

but of course, larger

[slim flare]

I mean wolves also inhabited nearly all of Eurasia and North America

[flint sable]

indeed

This is only tangentially related and I could be wrong about this, but during the pleistocene in North America specifically, grey wolves werent particularly common right?

at least not in relation to other large predators in most areas

[slim flare]

Except in Alaska/Yukon

They weren’t particularly well-established and had previously been extirpated during an interglacial

[flint sable]

ok then

[flint sable]

what are your thoughts on this?

[left spear]

I mean we are getting one either way

[slim flare]

No

It’s also notable that dire wolves were living alongside seemingly red wolves, which grey wolves do not except the diminutive coyote morph

[flint sable]

any particular reasons why my hypothesis stands out as unlikely to you?

[feral cedar]

hoo boy

[flint sable]

good note; red wolves were indeed quite common at the point

or coyotes...?

whatever their taxonomy is complicated, but thats for another discussion

[slim flare]

Why are dire wolves more like dholes or painted wolves if they were seemingly outcompeting grey wolves? Especially as grey wolves and dholes coexist.

[feral cedar]

That femur points to larger sizes for Stegosaurus, potentially, but sadly I think it being described yesterday means the PK stego might not be that big

[flint sable]

I mean for one, grey wolves are bigger than dholes whereas it would have been the opposite in this case

[slim flare]

Red wolves and coyotes are likely two populations/morphs of the same species, hence coyotes breeding them into oblivion and why coyotes appear pretty suddenly about 20,000 years ago.

[tulip umbra]

Size is like the easiest thing they can adjust if they wanted to

[feral cedar]

maybe

I guess it depends on a bunch of things

For example depending on how considerable the upsize is, the texture work done on the current PK stego might be "blurrier" if upsized

[slim flare]

I mean they upsized Parasaurolophus

(Thank God)

[tulip umbra]

It doesnt even look that much bigger me tbh

[left spear]

Stego is commonly very oversized

Mostly since most desings tend to just copy JP size wise

[shell sonnet]

ungulatus is already going to be bigger than stenops, so I'm not worried

[tulip umbra]

Yea, i mean this isnt small

[feral cedar]

Stegosaurus is one of the most morphologically inconsistent dinosaurs I know of and it's crazy for such a popular animal

[slim flare]

I mean

It’s also changed a lot

[slim flare]

And Sophie kinda messed things up

[feral cedar]

Yeah see the PK stego seems to be a lot less "compressed"

[slim flare]

Because she’s not fully grown, so longer than most Stegosaurus, which kinda made the boxier Stegosaurus go away for a while

[tulip umbra]

Its important to note devs has said this does not represent morphology for 3d animal etc, its only supposed to represent skins

[slim flare]

The 3D model will have different proportions to the concept art.

[feral cedar]

I mean Sophie's not fully grown but she's not a juvenile either, right?

[slim flare]

That’s what I said, yes

[feral cedar]

So what's the latest then

would adult stegos be more boxy or be more like Sophie

[slim flare]

Boxy

[feral cedar]

stenops might've gotten to sizes comparable to ungulatus

[slim flare]

Wikipedia also says there’s Kentrosaurus remains way bigger than commonly thought but idk if that’s true

[feral cedar]

huh

[slim flare]

I was kinda afraid PK was only doing Sophie stenops and Stegosaurus would be left kinda tiny

I feel if Stego released in the original EA, it would

[autumn plover]

I’m hoping that they go for more conservative estimates of stenops size so that there is more of a size difference between it and ungulatus

[silver steeple]

Given what we saw in the EA trailer way back when it almost 100% was

[tulip umbra]

Jan 25th, Coelacanthus Granulatus. The poster child of ‘living fossils’ and the first coelacanth ever discovered. ‘Living fossils’ is not a scientific term, but generally refer to extant animals that are morphologically very similar to their extinct counterparts. Some define it as animals initially only known from fossils, later being found out to still be alive. So, some people might be lead to believe that Coelacanthus is an extant genus, when in reality it lived and died in the Late Permian of Germany and England. C. Granulatus looks very similar to the only extant coelacanth genus Latimeria which can reach 2m in length, but is significantly smaller than it measuring around 70cm in length (perfect for vivariums).

[fiery crow]

methinks even Latimeria might work as a vivie (despite not being extinct)

it’s practically prehistoric

[left spear]

That's a very dangerous line to cross

[peak hazel]

if we get the extant Coelocanth we're one step closer to getting the African Lion

[left spear]

Because then you can add crocodiles, Tuataras, Sharks, Horseshoe carbs...

I think they would be great but as statues

[tulip umbra]

From when does Latimeria originate anyways?

No bar for latimeria 🧐

[fiery crow]

if we end up getting Deinosuchus, rhynchocephalians, Cretoxyrhina/Megalodon, or Mesolimulus/Austrolimulus, then yes, we could

[feral cedar]

beyond size are there any significant differences between the two stegosaurus

[coarse inlet]

I'm hoping there's a wide variation in size

[coarse inlet]

plate shape I believe

[autumn plover]

It would still be cool to have a wider variation in size

[coarse inlet]

Honestly I wish Plateosaurus had more size variation

some adult P. trossingensis were almost seven times the size as other adults

[outer crater]

They could add it as dimorphism

[buoyant zephyr]

I hope we don't get any type of extant or non-prehistoric animal actually

Even if it's an unpopular opinion

[autumn plover]

Yeah I mean at that point you may as well remove “Prehistoric” from the name.

[autumn plover]

If it is an unpopular opinion it damn well shouldn’t be.

[sinful coyote]

recently extinct animals are being eyed for post launch so i'd say it's unpopular, yeah

people want dodos and thylacines and the like

[autumn plover]

Recently extinct is not the same as extant, did you read his comment?

[sinful coyote]

did you?

"non-prehistoric"

last i checked, the 1600's weren't prehistoric times

[flint sable]

I mean

thylacines were alive in prehistory so...

[shell sonnet]

Most animal species alive today were

[alpine thicket]

You were alive during prehistory too!

That's right, you, specifically!

You just don't remember it.

[slender tangle]

I've been in a cocoon since the Younger Dryas. They pulled me out in the 1990s and forced me to live as a mortal for my crimes against the Lemurians

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/mater-cars-pixar-maters-tall-tales-gif-26619676

[burnt shore]

If modding were to happen, extant/modern species could be added

[hot fox]

I need Deinonychus pls devs🥺 🙏

[feral cedar]

That first one is the JWE Utahraptor lol

[warm ice]

Deinonychus would be very good though

[shy vale]

wasn't that one of the older plans?

it would add more cloverly species outside of acrocanthosaurus

[slender tangle]

Why would you want extant animals in a specifically prehistoric-themed zoo sim? Just play Planet Zoo or Zoo Tycoon at that point

[slim flare]

Come on man

Everyone knows no extant zoo tycoon allows for simultaneous extant and extinct species

So obviously everyone wants it

Making an exhibit with reindeer and woolly rhinoceros would be awesome, for example

[silver steeple]

On one hand yes but also that kinda directly goes against the name of the game

[slender tangle]

Okay I see your point
Having dinosaurs in my otherwise normal zoo was awesome in og Zoo Tycoon

[slim flare]

Um actually all wild animals existed prior to human history 🤓

But yeah, I don’t expect it in PK, but the desire is normal

[silver steeple]

Yeah but no one reasonable calls extant animals prehistoric save for like living fossils

[slim flare]

And this was about modding

[silver steeple]

Modding isn't really an if

People have technically already modded the game

[slim flare]

You’re missing the point Boi

[silver steeple]

Its more of a "when will it become more reasonable"

I know exactly what the point was

[slim flare]

Someone brought up modding, someone dismissed it as outlandish as a concept, I was defending the concept

[silver steeple]

You can easily slap like 10 different panthera species in

I'm simply saying that modding is a guarantee

As its already been achieved

[quick ore]

Even if the desire exists for extant animals to be in a zoo with extinct species I don't want the devs to spend their time and money working on that

[silver steeple]

Good news, they won't

[quick ore]

yayyyyy

[slim flare]

Except the extinction creatures

Homomans

[eager thunder]

I wonder if in game when you sell your animals they just end up in a normal zoo

Like does my sold off celodonta just end up in the San Deigo zoo

[tulip umbra]

Pz has an extensive amount of mods for extinct animals, wanting mods for extant animals in pk is not outlandish.

[alpine thicket]

Wanting extant animals in PK is outlandish if you actually want them to be official additions.

[slim flare]

No one said so

[alpine thicket]

oh misread

[quick ore]

Is it not implied that there are other prehistoric parks around the world besides your own

[smoky spear]

people ask for live cow and goat feeders

[buoyant zephyr]

Exceptions being recently extinct animals

The rest though? Yeah no, there's plenty prehistoric species to fill their niches in interesting ways

Otherwise im completely opposed

Speaking of, do we think we could get any more Paleozoic animals in EA?

I think it's theorised that arthropleura and meganeura might come right?

[hollow flower]

Mammoth meatball

[low bridge]

We need Megatherium

And Doedicurus

[shell sonnet]

Maybe. Part of the reasoning is that there are statues of them.

Them being popular is another.

[eager thunder]

Is it?

[peak hazel]

it is somewhere

[desert flame]

Ancestors and relatives of extant mammals could be added to PK.

[flint sable]

dont you remember the shitbeetle

[toxic oriole]

Ah yes, the dung beetle

[flint sable]

also generic fish

[toxic oriole]

And modern plants

Fungi too

[eager thunder]

Is the dung beetle in the only extant animal in game?

Now that I think about it?

[river perch]

How can this game hope to compete with its contemporaries if it doesn’t even have macaws whenever I demolish trees

[flint sable]

no

3

4

homo sapiens, dung beetles, termites, generic fish

[slim flare]

Starfish

[low bridge]

"Unseen forms and sizes" this alone reminds me of Megacerops, Embolotherium, Aepycamelus, Titanotylopus, Arsinoitherium, Stegotetrabelodon, Platybelodon, Deinotherium, Palaeoloxodon, Xenokeryx, Prolibytherium, Synthetoceras, Sivatherium, Bramatherium, Climacoceras

Moropus, Chalicotherium, Hyaenodon,Daeodon

Etc

Nothing to debate for

[left spear]

Most of those would be great tbh

[low bridge]

All are Great

[slender tangle]

If/when they add Diplodocus, I hope it looks all spiny and crusty like in the recent paper

[desert flame]

Weird mammals are good, but close relatives of modern mammals are also good, such as Castoroides and Simocyon.

[slim flare]

Castoroides would be great

[low bridge]

Phoberomys and Josephartigasia

[eager thunder]

It helps fill those classic zoo niches in my mind

[low bridge]

Or Astrapothere besides

[feral cedar]

I know you're joking but JWE 2 didn't include the macaws and I don't think JWE 3 has them either

Game fell off 😔

[river perch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/992059464444301314/1258607910364250113/ezgif-6-1a6f6d2cb1.gif

its over

[left spear]

Ngl i was actually sad they removed that in jwe2 lol

I get why but c'mon make It an Easter egg on nublar only

[river perch]

i remember i was so desperate for pterosaurs i installed a mod that turned those into dimorphodon

thank you digital duck

[left spear]

Lol

Just copious ammounts of Dimorphodon on each island

[feral cedar]

I feel like the removal of the macaws is an example of that odd vibe I get from JWE 2 and 3 where the sequels just lost... something

[river perch]

they'll give those locusts a run for their money

[river perch]

fun easter eggs and details definitely contribute a lot to a games personality

is small but they add up

[feral cedar]

Not the chat for this but I feel like JWE 2 and 3 somehow lack that spark - that sauce, if you will - that make me feel like the people behind the game cared

[left spear]

Idk but i do agree they don't feel the same

Jwe2 but specially 3 don't feel like JP/JW games tbh

Partially maybe it's because the extremely un-jpy desing direction Frontier went with (not necessarely bad but not that fitting imo)

[ancient ibex]

Simocyon the giant ACTUAL panda

[ancient ibex]

The least JP-like designs are the World designs, specially the hybrids and their trend to try to imitate Kong 2005 designs, AKA the ones EXPLICITY meant to not look like JP dinosaurs

[left spear]

Simocyon is cool because it's kidna Normal Kingdom but also very weird and distinct at the same time

[ancient ibex]

It is a weirdo that doesn't really look much like any extant carnivoran, if anything, marten-like but not quite

[left spear]

For the most part agree, but most post-jwe1 Frontier desings really don't fit the franchise, there's exceptions obviously (Deinon and Cryo my beloveds) but for the most part they've went too paleoaccurate for my taste

[ancient ibex]

I disagree

[feral cedar]

There's this artist on Twitter who has a bunch of illustrations that outline a proof-of-concept that applying the JP "style" in the form of stylized 80s and 90s reconstructions of dinosaurs is actually kind of possible and can turn out neat

[ancient ibex]

Or Raul Martin's 2000's work

[slim flare]

Fair assessment really, I agree

[feral cedar]

One of my favorites is him taking the 2000s Velociraptor look and giving it a few tweaks
https://x.com/ColinM_Art/status/1800567228485800335

Papercraft Pangea (@ColinM_Art)

For Jurassic Park’s 31st Anniversary, I have something a little outside the box: Tsaagan!

Effectively a “True Velociraptor” for all the people who want something closer to the real deal but who also want to have their “Deinonychus” cake & eat it too.

#JurassicPark

X · Jun 11, 2024, 4:34 PM

[left spear]

Tbh feathers can work on a JPy desings

[slim flare]

This is Disney’s Dinosaur Velociraptor

[feral cedar]

Imagine JWE 1 gave us a velociraptorine stylized like the 2000s velo as our second dromaeosaur instead of that crested thing

[left spear]

Jwe3 Deinon is a great example of that

[ancient ibex]

The entire deal of "gotta stick with no feathers", when by 2001 they were retconning feathers into the raptors...

[left spear]

But as much as i love it jwe Utah is just not a JP desing

[slim flare]

I don’t think it was a retcon tbh

[ancient ibex]

Grant was dreaming of the new design

[feral cedar]

Well in this case he explicitly doesn't use feathers to give JP3 raptors their quills as a way to let them keep that "shtick"

[ancient ibex]

JP3 changed designs, but of course the fandom starved for content went down a weird rabbit hole of "different subspecies"

[slim flare]

That’s because the old animatronics disintegrated. They stated they used the male and put it in certain lighting to look more like the JP1 design

[ancient ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/raptor-alan-jp3-gif-9139616

[left spear]

Tbf that's a very cool and nice headcanon, i wouldn't call weird to use a mid Retcon to make something cool and unique

[slim flare]

I mean TLW also changed Parasaurolophus so it wasn’t even new

[ancient ibex]

Can clearly see the quills and the red accents

[feral cedar]

He has designed his own Segisaurus and gave it feathers
https://x.com/ColinM_Art/status/1804996663221571735/photo/1

Papercraft Pangea (@ColinM_Art)

A late one today, here's Segisaurus! And with feathers no less!

Again, the name of the game is "Don't Just Be the Compy", and since this guy is closer in size the feathers & quills felt like a good addition. The yin to Compy's yang, this dino has poison instead of venom!

X · Jun 23, 2024, 9:55 PM

[ancient ibex]

And the raptors, not just with the bright ones

[slim flare]

No

[ancient ibex]

But, 14 years between 3 and 4 at the dawn of the internet was weird

[feral cedar]

I think you're giving the filmmakers too much credit

[slim flare]

Also no

[feral cedar]

Also the Jurassic movies don't care for design inconsistencies. The JP and JW Brachiosaurus are relatively different and yet a JW brach is stated to be "the same one" as the one seen in 1993

[slim flare]

JW is a different beast

[feral cedar]

Or how Trevorrow grabs two near identical T. rexes that are more green than anything else and says "lol those are buck and doe"

I mean, that's bull in my eyes cause honestly Buck and Doe are about as relevant to the movies as the sick trike

[slim flare]

It’s also, tbf, a 2 second cameo

[feral cedar]

Yeah but supposedly the primary T. rex seen in JP, JW, JWFK, and JWD is the same individual but in every movie it looks different

Every time an animal appears in a Jurassic movie it often gets a new design, probably for toys or something, so there's no real reason to treat them as different "breeds" or "subspecies" in-universe

[left spear]

Sure it's not official canon

But it's fun as head Canon

Besides there are some official cases i'd say

Can't tell me with a straight face that JP3 spino and Rebirth spino is just a redesing

[tulip umbra]

Jan 26th, Desmodus Draculae. There are around 1.500 extant species of bats making them the second most prolific mammal order after rodents, yet only three species of bats are actually sanguivorous (feed on blood), that’s 0.002%. Bats can be split up into two big groups, the microbats and the megabats. They differ in many ways than just size, for example microbats have echolocation and megabats don’t. D. Draculae would have been a microbat and one of the largest at that with a wingspan up to 50cm. One hypothesis attributes its large size to specialisation on Pleistocene megafauna of South America. When that megafauna went extinct, D. Draculae subsequently followed suit. It would be a highly unique vivarium animal, being probably the only sanguivore that even qualifies as a candidate for inclusion.

[slim flare]

Nah

Desmodus stocki, or Stock's vampire bat

While D. draculae is 30% larger than extant vampire bats, D. stocki is 50% larger and from the furthest North of any species in North America

[slender tangle]

Sick

[runic tiger]

A bat would be dope for caves

[tulip umbra]

Nah

D. Draculae is still the largest btw

Besides, draculae is more popular, has a cooler name etc

If vivariums allowed for alts, i would have suggested both

But between the two, im picking draculae any day

[tulip umbra]

50% heavier does not necessarily equate to size

[left spear]

Frankly i think it's a bit irrelevant

Any of the 2 will do

A Desmodus + Vulcanops and we're cool on Bats

[plush nacelle]

I would rather see one of the eocene rainforest bats

[quick ore]

yeah if we get a bat I would rather a species with more complete remains

[fiery crow]

Icaronycteris?

[fiery crow]

this has been one of my most wanted vivies for a while

[tulip umbra]

Other species of bats will be for another daily suggestion, also d. draculae has good material

[tulip umbra]

Mine too

[digital pendant]

fun fact, I have been to the cave where the first remains of this bat were found

its a very famous cave to visit here in Venezuela

a massive colony of oilbirds live in it

its actually named after the local name for them, Guacharos

[slim flare]

Yes it does

[slim flare]

Source?

[tulip umbra]

https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/florida-vertebrate-fossils/species/desmodus-stocki/

When i look into my daily suggestions, i try to look further than just the wikipedia page

[tulip umbra]

Cool, now im curious what else is found in there

[digital pendant]

remains of A. wingei have been found there

and its pretty close to the Breal de Orocual (Orocual tar pits) which is known for its pliocene-pleistocene faunal assemblage

[low bridge]

WHAT DO U SEND HERE

🫥🫥

[slim flare]

He got me?

[low bridge]

What is this image?

What is that

😳😳😳

[slim flare]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PZteAbLetfg

[low bridge]

Omg

This can't be real

[toxic oriole]

It is.

Been an episode of the show for a long while

[vital grove]

idk how the pictures will turn out so ill give a description with the name 1 sinemys the turtle 2 hippopotomus gorgops 3 Masiakasaurus the one with the razor jaws 4 megawhaitsia a synapsid that almost resembled a bear 5 exaeretodon that thing....

[low bridge]

1. Sin
2. Megawhat

[low bridge]

Thanks for letting now i lost faith in Humanity anyways

What I have witnessed

Crazyyy

[toxic oriole]

Its not even AI

Its an actual episode from the show

[low bridge]

Out of hand episode

Literally

Who allowed this

[fresh ember]

No offense, but that kind of response comes off as being either sheltered or too young to be on Discord. Not as some insult, but more a genuine concern.

Especially when that little sequence is barely even the tip of the iceberg.

[low bridge]

Im too old to be young

🤷🤷

[fiery crow]

yeah SpongeBob has had MUCH more wild stuff than this

MUCH more wild

[runic tiger]

What?

[fiery crow]

there’s literally an entire episode where SpongeBob Patrick and Mr. Krabs go on a panty raid

[fresh ember]

Anyways, I had no idea that turtle even existed.

[runic tiger]

Whyd you delete the comment about "wild Indian street food"

Im still trying to figure out the context

[fiery crow]

it’s EZ being EZ

[runic tiger]

Would be good on the sahon rig for vivariums

Id still really like that one pig nosed turtle from kaiparrowits

[low bridge]

Fcking joke btw , bc i have seen a lot of This on tiktok

[runic tiger]

But one little turtle in game is already cool

[low bridge]

little can grow to be big

It just needs food

And we will have Stupendemys

[vital grove]

1 equus giganteus giant horse 2 tsaidamotherium 3 hoffstetterius 4 Thylocephalonyx 5 Smok wawelski a possible early dinosaur that might also be another archosaur that convergently evolved with dinosaurs last 2 pictures

[runic tiger]

Ok, it just had nothing to do with what we were talking about, just kinda eyebrow raising

Seemed like it was heading somewhere racist but you've deleted it so I'd like to move on

[low bridge]

Im just terrible

[buoyant zephyr]

What did I come back to

[fresh ember]

EZ, take it from me, if you're looking to socialize, you don't need to resort to spewing nonsense at every opportunity. Just try to pay attention to the conversation and, if you can, show some self-control. It's not easy, but it's a lot better than wallowing in self-pity over every mistake.

I used to be in a similar spot a long time ago, I know how it is.

[buoyant zephyr]

Didn't we all

[low bridge]

Im cooked

[digital pendant]

@low bridge not to put you on the spot, nor to derail this chat´s purpose, but I want to legitimately know whats up with you some times. How old are you even? Whats your main language?

[fiery crow]

he’s a ragebaiter

[digital pendant]

like ik you have a hard time communicating with us, but so do we with you

[buoyant zephyr]

Hes obviously a child

[peak hazel]

I assume English isn't his first language

[buoyant zephyr]

Maybe that too

[digital pendant]

yeah thats why im asking

could be on the spectrum too

this is why i try to be lenient with him because he hasnt broken rules and could be all of those above, he isnt perfect, like any of us, but legitimately being hostile for no reason is not of help

[buoyant zephyr]

Dont look at me

[fresh ember]

TBH, I know I came off as aggressive, but the truth is I'm more worried about him.

[buoyant zephyr]

Haven't said anything to him since like 2 years ago

[low bridge]

Im bored of everything, so if U must judge me then judge me for what i wrote,that is Your Job here so that's all i must say

[digital pendant]

well

i cant really ban you, but perma mute might be a good settlement

[buoyant zephyr]

Damm

[digital pendant]

so you can still see, but cant interact

[low bridge]

good for them

[digital pendant]

sounds good then

[abstract compass]

[buoyant zephyr]

Anyway, I think the Stegosaurus and the Triceratops of the Paleozoic should get in with their rivals

They deserve some more recognition, even if scutosaurus is a bit more well known

They both have good material, multiple species with multiple formations and biomes with them, and are overall very interesting

[tough marsh]

scuto is quite cool

[vital grove]

1 ardea bennuides 2 Thylophorops giant carnivorous opossum 3 macroeuphractus giant carnivorous armadillo 4 erythrosuchus 5 archaeoindris a gorilla sized lemur

[slim flare]

Ardea bennuides straight-up probably doesn’t exist

It’s based on a single, partial bone whose only “diagnostic feature” is being larger than a grey heron. It was also found in Arabia, not even along the Nile.

Behold

It’s a cool idea, but it’s really more of a cryptid

[vital grove]

i confused it in my head with goliathia

been a while since i read about these things

[tulip umbra]

Another turtle i have overlooked 🫠

[cinder token]

Disregarding all my previous suggestions, I’d say the next animals I want most are mammals that fill out the plant biomes - we still don’t have a wetlands mammal (though that will almost certainly be Ambulocetus) and only have Paraceratherium as a desert mammal.

So here are my suggestions:

Desert mammals: Andrewsarchus, Diprotodon

Wetlands: Moeritherium, Enhydriodon.

[vital grove]

what about this one anomalochelys

[tulip umbra]

Got that one 😉

[vital grove]

1 lotosaurus 2 Qianosuchus 3 poposaurus not a dinosaur 4 sillosuchus (adult size estimate and also not a dinosaur) 5 arizonasaurus fun fact all of these are fairly closely related

[slim flare]

Lotosaurus goes crazy

[vital grove]

yeah it really manages to look like nothing else

[slim flare]

I really hope we start getting Paleozoic and Triassic weirdos in the next few years

[vital grove]

yeah and a lot of them are not just small insignificant things there are some giants in there to

[shy vale]

that was the turtle i was trying to look for

a turtle with side stuff sticking out

[vital grove]

you are the second guy thanking me for the turtle lol

[shy vale]

but i think one of them i was trying to find was an eocene turtle with that

[vital grove]

do you have more features

[flint sable]

this guys gonna get 3 sequels soon; paleozoic and 2 americas packs (north and south america)

[vital grove]

1 trucidocynodon one of the largest carnivorous cynodonts 2 silesaurus 3 Cynognathus another large carnivorous cynodont 4 Palaeoloxodon falconeri 5 vespersaurus it likely ran on just its middle toe while keeping the other two up

my main goal here is not getting all of these animals into the game im primarily focusing on posting animals that are little known but have something interesting about them.

[tulip umbra]

Perhaps u might find it in here

[shy vale]

it is sinemys