Community Species Suggestions

[vast berry]

Let's go Beyond Thunderdome

[peak hazel]

Atrociraptor is a maxilla

oh and a mandible

[vast berry]

You can tell a lot about an animal from its dentition

[peak hazel]

thats also not a good Albertosaurus

[peak hazel]

we only know that it had a deeper boxier skull

atroci is a glup shitto

[peak hazel]

that looks more like a weird Allosauroid then Albertosaurus
whys there a 3rd finger

[vast berry]

Now you're just being mean

There; changed the Albertosaurus picture

[peak hazel]

no I'm actually curious where that albertosaur came from

[autumn plover]

Mate you posted a picture of an Allosaurus and thought that we wouldn’t notice

[vast berry]

It was in the images of 'Albertosaurus'

[mint creek]

I think the colossal variety of different clades vivariums allow makes me reluctant to add another species of a niche we already have

Albertosaurus is a strong pick though

[peak hazel]

Albertosaurus with a Gorgosaurus alt

[autumn plover]

^

feathered/scaly Albert plus a scaly Gorgo would go hard

[ancient ibex]

Once again sharing Medena's non-PK Albertosaurus, because it is a sleepy goober which also does the animal justice

(Wouldn't mind AT ALL having something similar in the game fwiw)

[vast berry]

Europasaurus would be good to see as another example of Insular Dwarfism

[frosty heron]

pretty!

[buoyant zephyr]

So, when aquatics and fliers get into the game, do yall think it will be via an expansion, or a few basic free species followed by paid packs?

If it's the latter, how many species do yall think well get initially?

[vast berry]

Dunkleosteus and Trilobites would be free

And Endoceras would be an alt for Cameroceras

[left spear]

Just add this one 🙏

[cosmic cosmos]

i think base will be mosa, plesi and icthy

[cosmic cosmos]

maybe alongside basilosaurus and another cenozoic aquatic

[shell sonnet]

Really depends: Mosa, Ichthy, Plesi, Dunk and Meg feel like the obvious starting set

[tulip umbra]

I would almost wager to say megalodon is base

[mint creek]

Maybe Basilosaurus

[tulip umbra]

Depending on if theres been a paleozoic update before it, dunk could be base

[shell sonnet]

We already have paleozoic animals though

[cosmic cosmos]

i think meg will be part of dlc that comes along with the free release

[tulip umbra]

Full paleozoics

[shell sonnet]

Makes no difference

[tulip umbra]

Yea it does

[shell sonnet]

How?

[tulip umbra]

Until the devs fully commit to paleozoics with a paleozoic dlc beforehand, i dont see them putting in dunk. Dunk would come later with the paleozoics dlc.

Tho i think its pretty safe to assume a paleozoic dlc comes before aquatics

[cosmic cosmos]

helicoprion is my most wanted paleozoic aquatic

edestus would also be peak

[shell sonnet]

Again, I don't agree. Dunk feels more at home coming with other marine life and it being paleozoic doesn't mean much given it's a Devonian animal, which none of the other big paleozoic names are. For the starting aquarium set, it's better to go with a longer time range.

[tulip umbra]

Agree to disagree. I just said my thoughts on the matter and dont care enough to continue this discussion as it is all just groundless speculation anyways.

[desert flame]

It's likely that Toxodon and Macrauchenia will be added in the future, but I'd like to see other　Meridiungulata added as well.

[cloud nymph]

Hehe, Dunk
Spaghetti and meatballs

[fiery crow]

lowkey
I would be EXTREMELY dissapointed if we only got Toxodon and Macrauchenia as the SANU rep

[desert flame]

Yes
These two species are well-known and popular, so I think there are many people who would like to see them added.

[desert flame]

Personally, I'd be happy if minor species like Toatherium and Hegetotherium were added.

[wary nacelle]

Yes

[eager thunder]

I thank you for answering me instead of being snarky or something

[wary nacelle]

Damn it. I had the option?

-# /j

[tulip umbra]

Jan 19th, Buteogallus Daggetti. Looking into the fossil record of birds, you can see that they have evolved terrestrial adaptations many times (why has this never been discovered for pterosaurs?). Today I’m highlighting one such example within the Accipitriformes (birds of prey excluding falcons and seriemas). Buteogallus is an extant genus containing many hawks and eagles, B. Daggetti aka the “Walking Eagle” is an extinct species that lived in Pleistocene North America alongside a lot of other popular megafauna. Its most notable traits are its size and its legs. With a wingspan of nearly 2m it was very much still flight capable, also standing nearly a meter tall would have made it a fearsome predator akin to the secretary birds.

[fiery crow]

HABITAT:

• Anteosaurus magnificus
• Bohra paulae
• Kosmodraco dakotensis (alt. species magnicornis) (semi-aquatic)
• Manis palaeojavanica
• Megalotragus kattwinkeli
• Pavo bravardi
• Regaliceratops peterhewsi
• Rusingoryx atopocranion
• Shunosaurus lii
• Xenokeryx amidalae

AQUARIUM:

• Abyssosaurus nataliae
• Alienacanthus malkowskii
• Ankylorhiza tiedemani
• Brachiosuchus kabanishensis
• Megalampris kayesi
• Xiphiorhynchus rotundus

AVIARY:

• Buteogallus daggetti
• Thalassodromeus sethi

VIVARIUM:

• Austrolimulus fletcheri (Amphibious)
• Mesolimulus walchi (Amphibious)
• Teraterpeton hyrnewichorum (Terrestrial)

[amber field]

Damn they were planning to be terror birds

[cosmic cosmos]

im assuming this is ur ultimate wishlist?

[fiery crow]

nah, I’m just helping Quiverzz keep track of his daily suggestions (if he doesn’t already do that)

[cosmic cosmos]

ah

[median glen]

A pachycephalosaurus would be nice

[slender tangle]

Pachycephalosaurus is coming

[amber field]

Hopefully, we don't know yet

Perhaps we will know in next dev dairy

[flint sable]

PERHAPS

guessing not tho

my guess is probably relveal in either february or march

we might get a model sneak epek for allo or stego though in january i feel

[cosmic cosmos]

i cant wait for bary in the next-next update, one of my like top three favourite dinosaurs

[amber field]

https://youtube.com/shorts/9VV1AIMJzmk?si=vwnNAKGlX1qRaqRw one day

[eager thunder]

And a Stgymoloch/Spinnifer

I’d like both

[grand thunder]

So Macrauchenia; You reckon it gon have a trunk, no trunk or just two different skins like Elasmotherium

[slender tangle]

I just realized we've only got like one major Tyrannosaur and an alt species
So here my proposal for a TYRANNOSAUR PACK:

-Nanuqsaurus (boreal, coastal)
-Yutyrannus (temperate, coastal)
-Albertosaurus/Gorgosaurus (coastal, wetland, temperate)
-Daspletosaurus (coastal, wetland, temperate)
-Nanotyrannus (coastal, wetland, temperate, tropical)
-Alioramus (desert, scrubland, wetland)
-Guanlong (tropical, wetland)
-Eotyrannus (grassland, scrubland, wetland)
-Khankhuuluu (desert, scrubland)
-Suskityrannus (tropical, wetland)

[median glen]

Is that a threat

[slender tangle]

Every second you're not running, the pachycephalosaurus is only getting closer

[slim flare]

Really hope we don’t get Nanuq

[slender tangle]

Would it be a bad idea?

[peak hazel]

eh its not really worth it

[slim flare]

Yes, it’s fragmentary af

[slender tangle]

That is true

[peak hazel]

fragmentory isn't a be all end all for me

[slim flare]

I don’t really see a point of Suski either

[peak hazel]

but

I'd rather stuff we have a clearer reconstruction of

[quick ore]

I feel like only half of this pack is worth it at all, and the idea of a pack dedicated to a single, narrow clade isn't very appealing to me

[peak hazel]

I wouldn't mind more Tyrannosaurs

[eager thunder]

I’d only really want Nano and Guan

Those are my top two

[peak hazel]

but I think Guanlong, Alioramus and Albertosaurus/Gorgosaurus is enough

Nano would be cool but its not a priority for me

[fiery crow]

I’d be fine with Albertosaurus, Daspletosaurus, Guanlong, Yutyrannus and Alioramus

[eager thunder]

And the Yut actually

[fiery crow]

anything more is unnecessary

[eager thunder]

Nano gaun yut

[slim flare]

In order of preference:
Guanlong
Yutyrannus
Albertosaurus + Gorgosaurus
Nanotyrannus

[cosmic cosmos]

Yutyrannus, Guanlong+Proceratosaurus and Albertosaurus+Gorgosaurus are my wants

[eager thunder]

Guanlong would be absolutely incredible actually

[slender tangle]

I was really just spitballing tyrannosaurs I thought would be cool ingame
Maybe just Alberto/Gorgo, Nano, Guanlong, and Yutyrannus would be enough

[eager thunder]

A small Jurassic theropod for the books

[slim flare]

Ornitholestes….

[eager thunder]

Over Guanlong?

[slim flare]

No

Separate

We just also need Ornitholestes

[eager thunder]

I’m sorry but what’s interesting about Ornitholestes?

Curious really

[slender tangle]

Okay, I've condensed the Tyrannosaur pack:
-Yutyrannus
-Albertosaurus/Gorgosaurus
-Nanotyrannus
-Guanlong
-Alioramus/Qianzhousaurus (for the desert rep)

[slender tangle]

I wouldn't mind ornitholestes

[peak hazel]

john Morrison formation small theropod

[toxic oriole]

Seems like Nanuqsaurus could also fit in Temperate

[slim flare]

Morrison
WWD
Possibly extremely basal Oviraptorosaur
Good remains

Almost “generic” small theropod unlike many others

[toxic oriole]

New idea: The Oddities pack

What could be in the pack? Well honestly I have no idea

Moreso odd or unusual extinct species

Although a few of them seem to already be ingame

[toxic oriole]

A theme really, unusual prehistoric species, odd looking and such

Though clarifying on the odd factor would be tricky given how most animals already fill that role

[hollow flower]

Lazarus taxa could probably fall into that definiton too

[toxic oriole]

... Now that I think about it, most aquatic paleozoics could fit into that oddities pack

Anomalocaris for instance

[hollow flower]

Hescheleria

Pretty much every triassic marine reptile thats not from one of the main groups

[flint sable]

The Oddities Pack

Maskaiasaurus
Prolibytherium

Tullimonstrum (aquarium)
Omnidens (aquarium)
Claudiosaurus (semiaquatic)

just my ideas

[toxic oriole]

Masiakasaurus being one of them I can recognise

How odd is it aside from the structure of its face?

[flint sable]

claudiosaurus could be basically anything else thats a semiaquatic reptile of that size

not that odd, but noasaurs are weird generally speaking

[toxic oriole]

Deinotherium is an oddity of itself, or at least some proboscideans

Though Deinotherium is considered for Post EA, right?

[flint sable]

perhaps

maybe throw Platybelodon in there

good pick

[fiery crow]

if we’re talking about weird proboscideans I’d prefer Platybelodon or Numidotherium over Deinotherium

[toxic oriole]

Oddities pack would be interesting

Helps define the weird looking animals that tend to have a wow factor to them going off their appearance

And a few of those proboscideans would fit that pack quite well, though Platybelodon seems more likely given that Deinotherium is likely being considered for Post Early Access

[flint sable]

The Oddities Pack

Maskaiasaurus
Prolibytherium
Platybelodon
Adopotentatus (i forgot how aquatic it was, if not idk what)

Tullimonstrum (aquarium)
Omnidens (aquarium)

heres my new list

good balance of uniqueness and adding to clades

[fiery crow]

I’d bring in a SANU like Granastrapotherium or Pyrotherium

Teraterpeton would be a very good Terrestrial vivie

[toxic oriole]

Looks like a hammerhead

I like it

[fiery crow]

it had “two faces”

[shy vale]

is stokesosaurus too big?

or tanycolagreus?

i think tyrannosaur pack at least should have:
-guanlong (proceratosaurus or kileksus alt)
-alioramus (qianzhousaurus alt)
-yutyrannus
-albertosaurus (gorgosaurus alt)

[shy vale]

i see then, though what is the advantage of ornitholestes versus stokesosaurus/tanycolagreus in terms of morrison representation?

[shell sonnet]

Ornitholestes is better known, more complete (we have a single good specimen), is actually small

[fiery crow]

ZT2 lied to me about Stokesosaurus’ size

[shell sonnet]

ZT2 was not kind to dinosaurs

[fiery crow]

ZT1 unironically had a better dinosaur selection

[flint sable]

indeed

ZT2 had surprisingly good pleistocene/holocene rep for a game from like

20 years ago

[fiery crow]

most of it was Pleistocene stuff though

such a shitty lineup

[slim flare]

What does THAT mean?

[flint sable]

ok but its goated

some of them sucked ill admit that

also not a single hadrosaur or sauropod was a crime

[slim flare]

But 3 Dromaeosaurs

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/zoo-tycoon-2/images/0/0e/Deinonychus.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160704035306

And Deinonychus looks like they brought their kid to work to model it

But I agree, pretty solid Late Pleistocene/Holocene roster

[shy vale]

yikes that looks ugly

is it just me or does scaly dromaeosaurs look ugly?

[flint sable]

contrast that with the velociraptor which is surprisingly accurate for 2006

and then theres the utahraptor which is the size of a tyrannosaurus for no reason

and has a mowhawk

mods lowk carry ZT2 now that I think about it

[fiery crow]

you should see the Tyrannosaurus

[flint sable]

if you have enough mods on it, lowk still holds up to this day

[flint sable]

all things considered, not terrible

they only had like 5 polygons to work with

[shy vale]

still ugly but less so

[fiery crow]

the mods do a way better job at prehistoric representation than the base expansion does I’m NGL

[shy vale]

also the wrists are pronated

[slim flare]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/zoo-tycoon-2/images/2/2f/Utahraptor.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160704035716

[flint sable]

there are an yngodly ammount of Zt2 mods

[slim flare]

I mean, I don’t think we knew otherwise yet

[flint sable]

theres like what, maybe 500 planet zoo mods on the nexus?

[fiery crow]

ZT2 modded is goated

[flint sable]

15,000 pages on the download library

https://zt2downloadlibrary.fandom.com/wiki/ZT2_Download_Library_Wiki

which isnt even comprehensive

nearly so, but not fully

[fiery crow]

this was the SHIT back when I was super into ZT2 back in high school 2018

so many mods

[slim flare]

PK in 2053

[fiery crow]

like that one Cretaceous Calamity one that had an XL-sized map

[plush nacelle]

1900

[fiery crow]

only true OGs remember how amazing that was

[plush nacelle]

Just checked

[flint sable]

ok fair but I bet over half of them dont work

[fiery crow]

I wonder if PK is ever gonna get modding in the future

[flint sable]

now I really wanna play zt2

dangit

I have the disc but not a disc reader

for my PC

or should I even go through the trouble and just abandonware it

[fiery crow]

it’s inferior when compared to Planet Zoo feature-wise but I honestly kinda prefer ZT2 slightly more because there’s less limitations

[fiery crow]

just abandonware it honestly
it should be available to download on Amazon

[plush nacelle]

Hmm

1639 got updated at least once

And ..

70 pages out of 82 should work based on game version

[alpine thicket]

Funnily enough I actually think ZT1 had more accurate extinct animal designs in many cases then ZT2.

[flint sable]

iirc the version cutoff for functional is 1.11 or higher, but re only be reccomended to 1.13+

[fiery crow]

do you guys think PZ2 will have extinct animals

probs not

[plush nacelle]

No

[flint sable]

definitely not but I wish it did

I honestly wouldnt be surprised if they have a contract with Universal saying they cant

[plush nacelle]

I doubt Frontier would make them anyway

[ancient ibex]

Largest cf.Stokesosaurus material is a ~4 meter long animal fwiw

[ancient ibex]

Eh, it wasn't good. It was "let's go for obscure stuff for model economy reasons", and so we have people who were kids back then treating Metridochoerus as an iconic animal

[ancient ibex]

No it wasn't. It was released in 2007, the same year we found evidence for wings. It is just a scaly raptor with feathers glued on

[ancient ibex]

We did

[fiery crow]

Metridiochoeirus is pretty cool tbf

[digital pendant]

It do

I like the selection of animals in zt2 EA

Was very very different

If i wanted proper dinosaurs i had jpog

[plush nacelle]

Part of it could be related to EA being full on cenozoic originally. I think first concept for key art didn't feature stegosaurus at all

[fiery crow]

Kentrosaurus being treated as just being a slightly smaller Stegosaurus kinda rubbed me the wrong way

especially considering it’s one of my favourite dinos

[slim flare]

If only someone combined JPOG and ZT2…

[fiery crow]

hoping we get Kentro in PK one day

[plush nacelle]

Speaking of Zoo Tycoon

[shy vale]

if kentrosaurus shows up in prehistoric kingdom then there should be a giraffatitan alt for brachiosaurus

[plush nacelle]

Little off-topic, but I was reading Frontier history with this franchiese lately

[peak hazel]

huh

[plush nacelle]

And Microsoft alongside Frontier was working on some zoo game in late 2008, which was supposed to be third game, but then with kinect developement they scrapped it and replaced with xbox version we know about

[fresh ember]

Yeah, I think I remember reading about that a long time ago.

[ancient ibex]

It is literally Phacochoerus but earlier and a bit larger tho

[cloud nymph]

Hello, it’s I who still isn’t knowledgeable about paleofauna

I was wondering if there are any extinct eared seals of note other than the Japanese sea lion? Because an extinct fur seal or sea lion would be nice in a later dlc

[eager thunder]

Pontolis magnus, biggest Piniped to ever live

Miocene animal too

[cloud nymph]

Thenks

[limber needle]

Pontolis was actually an odobenid, which is the group which includes walruses

[eager thunder]

Pinipeds include that

[cloud nymph]

Ah

I mean I specifically had otariids in mind

[eager thunder]

Odobenids are a family within Pinnipied group

[cloud nymph]

Okay I wasn’t asking for just any pinniped

[eager thunder]

Thalassoleon in that case

[cloud nymph]

I was specifically asking for fur seals and sea lions

[eager thunder]

Yeah that then

[cloud nymph]

I mean I was going to say “sure I guess Otarioidea could work” until I saw you misinterpret my question

[cloud nymph]

Awesome

[eager thunder]

Plenty of cool extinct Pinidieds imo

[fiery crow]

Pambdelurion whittingtoni, a 55cm (22 inches) long panarthropod from the Early Cambrian, believed to be a relative to Omnidens. A very good choice if we’re going to recommend something viable from the Cambrian other than Anomalocaris, Acadoparadoxides, and Omnidens.

[cloud nymph]

Flinstone’s beast-of-burden-tool lookin critter

[eager thunder]

That thing was a used by Fred Flintstone as a bike handle or something

[limber needle]

Like praepusa, a little mini seal related to spotted and Baikal seals. I'm a massive nerd when it comes to pinnipeds

[eager thunder]

Oh my god that’s incredible

That could be a aquarium animal

[fiery crow]

Other viable Cambrian species are Balhuticaris voltae, Amplectobelua symbrachiata, and Tuzoia burgessensis.

[eager thunder]

I love him

Actually a viv works

[limber needle]

If we got a boreal or rocky option then yeah

Or it could work as a regular habitat species when diving gets introduced

[eager thunder]

Agreed

Love me my tiny critters

[fiery crow]

Another viable pinniped for vivies is Enaliarctos.

[limber needle]

Pinnipeds aren't really viable for Viv's

Except for the really basal ones

[fiery crow]

Praepusa?

[limber needle]

Seals need space

I suggest looking at the Longleat sea lion lake

[eager thunder]

I really hope if we get pinnipeds they do random moves and sounds like modern sea lions

https://tenor.com/view/silly-dance-sea-lion-gif-18060641275691946665

[shy vale]

what about puijila?

[limber needle]

Imagine praepusa blehh

[eager thunder]

Truly brilliant

It would be a 10/10 game unbeatably

[limber needle]

Also a viable aviary species

Also seesaw

[fiery crow]

I love how goofy pinnipeds are. almost makes you forget how aggressive they can be.

[eager thunder]

The mechanism

[eager thunder]

Honestly

https://tenor.com/view/sea-lion-gif-6274474972916726262

[limber needle]

Oooo kill em

[fiery crow]

it’s the same with capybaras. they seem so chill and easygoing but can be surprisingly aggressive.

[limber needle]

They got some nasty ass teeth

Can we domesticate seals please

[eager thunder]

Big ass allodesmus

[fiery crow]

we’ve technically already adopted them. dogs are pretty closely related to seals.

[fiery crow]

Allodesmus and Pontolis would both be sick.

[eager thunder]

So insanely cool

[quick ore]

not that close

[limber needle]

Guys I just thought of a crazy idea: special haul out modules for pinnipeds, nothosaurs, early whales and basal mosasaurs, there's enough diversity for that in terms of prehistoric animals

[quick ore]

close yes, but only about as close to them as they are to any musteloid

[fiery crow]

if Ambulocetus is indeed gonna be in U18 we might see this sooner than we expected

well
idk

[eager thunder]

Has there been speculation on that front?

[limber needle]

Ive made a post about it

On the main feedback forum

[shell sonnet]

Yes, well we can only hope someone will

[slim flare]

Maybe Mesozoica will come back…

[eager thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-tanamen-gecky-incorporeal-gif-21102682

[slender tangle]

It failed so hard it made DePalma hide the Dakotaraptor holotype

True story

[shy vale]

isn't dakotaraptor like a turtle now or something?

[coarse inlet]

part of Dakotaraptor was a turtle. Other parts may be dromaeosaur, oviraptorosaur, ornithomimid, or tyrannosaur depending on who you ask

[shy vale]

i see

[coarse inlet]

fucking Kinect

[slender tangle]

Here's a pack that'll hopefully be less controversial than the last one

HERBIVOROUS DINOSAUR EXPANDED PACK:

-Sauropelta (scrubland, wetland, coastal)
-Camptosaurus/Uteodon (desert, grassland, scrubland, coastal)
-Tarchia (desert, scrubland)
-Amargasaurus (scrubland, grassland, coastal)
-Brachytrachelopan (tropical, wetland)
-Tenontosaurus (grassland, tropical, wetland)
-Spicomellus (desert, grassland)
-Olorotitan (boreal, temperate, coastal)
-Chasmosaurus (temperate, wetland, coastal)
-Segnosaurus (desert, scrubland, tropical)
-Gigantoraptor (desert, scrubland)
-Hypsilophodon (grassland, scrubland, wetland)
-Stegouros (temperate, coastal)
-Anzu (coastal, temperate, wetland, tropical)

(Also I know some of these were seen in older concept art, I just want to see them return in the future)

[quick ore]

That's uh, quite the sizable pack you have there. Are Hypsilophodon and Stegouros vivs?

[slender tangle]

I assumed they were big enough for a full enclosure. Iirc they're both like 6ft in length

[quick ore]

(also it's Gigantoraptor)

[slender tangle]

Typo

[quick ore]

I meant I am mentioning this to say that imo I would at least assume that this many exhibit species in a single dlc pack would be a lot

[slender tangle]

I know
I got carried away a bit lol

[flint sable]

ye

My advice for DLC packs is to keep them somewhere between 4-8 creatures to keep them realistic

[quick ore]

yup

also to include vivs in them

since that feels like a given and is a way to include more species that require less dev time

[flint sable]

if your moresoe going for just speculation then a bigger list is fine, but my personal go to when I try to design them is something like 5-8 range

and then usually a majority habitat animals even though vivs are mechanically easier

something like this as an example

[quick ore]

imo I would cut Spicomellus and Anzu among other choices. Spico because you have a lot of ankylosaurs already (you may wanna cut another tbh) and because it feels like new toy syndrome. And Anzu I think would be better for a Hell Creek expansion of sorts

or something else specific to maastrichtian NA

[flint sable]

Glupshitto Pack

Habitats

Vaquita (Phocoena sinus) (aquarium animal if aquariums added)

Cryptyrannus hanisae

Collosal Dire Wolf

Sivalorhynchus mauensis

Vivarium

Collosal Woolly Mouse (Terrestrial)

Cotylotherium mauensis (Terrestrial)

not actually but in terms of roster

I would say that something in the 5-6 range could include scenery pieces, but with 7-8+ critters just creatures or at least mostly makes sense

[flint sable]

anyway, thoughts on this pack?

[buoyant vault]

NOT THE VAQUITA BRO

https://tenor.com/view/me-watching-my-past-self-interstellar-meme-watching-past-gif-25439819

[shy vale]

i think cutting one of sauropelta or tarchia would make more sense than cutting spicomellus

[quick ore]

why

[shy vale]

spicomellus is at least more unique

if i had to choose 4, i would choose stegouros, spicomellus, gigantoraptor, and replace segnosaurus with therizinosaurus

for an 8-pack, i would add amargasaurus, tenotosaurus (as a more definitive rhabdodontomorph), hypsilophodon, and replace brachytrachelopan with a rebbachisaur, maybe one of the huincul ones

[coarse inlet]

Apex Predator Pack
Habitat
Giganotosaurus carolinii/Mapusaurus roseae
Arctotherium angustidens/Arctodus simus
Anteosaurus magnificus
Dentaneosuchus crassiproratus/Sebecus icaeorhinus
Saurosuchus galilei
Sarkastodon mongoliensis
Megalosaurus bucklandi (Torvosaurus alt)
Megantereon falconeri (Smilodon alt)

Vivarium
Anomalocaris canadensis
Deinogalerix koenigswaldi

[shy vale]

if there's an aquarium in the future i would add megamastax, and of course, dunkleosteus as part of a pack

also i think for specific countries, china, brazil, argentina, the uk, canada, portugal, spain could at least make their own non-avian dinosaur-centric packs (or you could add a couple of non-avian dinosaurs there)

of course, there are way more countries than these ones, but these are the ones i could list off the top of my head (i just remember mongolia too)

[alpine thicket]

Spicomellus is legitimately a really interesting animal that would not be a bad pick, it looks quite different from its relatives.

[fiery crow]

Deinogalerix was an apex predator?

[flint sable]

of its environment, likely

since it was insular

no other large predators other than owls

its feasible they could have hunted young Hoplitomeryx and Garganornis

nice mural from Joschua Knuppe

other than that, there was an endemic otter species

[fiery crow]

Megamastax is a tricky one though, it’s only a single jawbone

[toxic oriole]

You know damn well its close to going extinct anyways

VERY close

Unless the species makes a sudden yet MASSIVE recovery, then uhhh yeah

[alpine thicket]

Personally I honestly find placing non-extinct species of this sort on any sort of wishlist ghoulish.

[coarse inlet]

yeah it's not funny

[slender tangle]

What if I broke them up into smaller packs? A thyreophoran pack, an ornithopod pack, a sauropodomorph pack, an herbivorous theropod pack, etc?

[quick ore]

Could work, idk if that would be the best approach to dlc packs but that can definitely work. I just hope the same would be done for non dinosaurs

[slender tangle]

Ye

Packs for permian and non-dino triassic taxa would be great

[fiery crow]

I’m trying to think for that Triassic one. maybe:

• Cynognathus
• Desmatosuchus
• Lisowicia
• Postosuchus
• Shringasaurus
• Nothosaurus (semi-aquatic)
• Doswellia (viv)
• Drepanosaurus (viv)
• Thrinaxodon (viv)

[toxic oriole]

i want pterodactylus and now that i learned that rhamporhynchus had co-existed with it, archaeopteryx and compsognathus...

i want rhamp too

[quick ore]

since we don't know when fully aquatics will get added (or if they even will) I would swap out Shonisaurus for Atopodentatus or Nothosaurus

I'd also swap out Arizonasaurus for an Aetosaur

and Euparkeria for a Drepanosaur or some other weirder triassic species

like Sharovipteryx

[tough marsh]

Kranasaura

[slender tangle]

How would housing pterosaurs even work? We'd need some kind of mesh dome addon to keep larger fliers in exhibits or something

[toxic oriole]

I mean, those are some small pterosaurs, though some say rhamp is larger to be something else

Pterodactylus though, look at its size

Could probs fit into a vivarium

[quick ore]

plenty of pterosaurs could fit in the vivs we have now

[tough marsh]

Yeah

[quick ore]

just not the big ones

[toxic oriole]

Late Jurassic Germany pack would be interesting

[fiery crow]

I’m gonna go for a deep cut and choose Doswellia for another vivie

[toxic oriole]

Seeing how a few of those guys are already in the game
(Compsognathus and Archaeopteryx)

[tough marsh]

Cursed animal

[toxic oriole]

Okay so whats the formation Compsognathus, Archaeopteryx, Pterodactylus and Rhamporhynchus were found in?

[slender tangle]

Fair enough
But if we ever get something like azhdarchids or teratorns, we'd need a proper aviary addon

[tough marsh]

Altmultal

I think that’s the terrestrial one

[quick ore]

agreed

[quick ore]

the only thing about that formation that would make it hard to have dlc centered around it would be that it's all tiny things

it doesn't have anything big enough for an exhibit

[toxic oriole]

I take it its a similar case with other Late Jurassic germany formations?

leaving out leedsichthys...

[tough marsh]

Yeah it’s Altmühltal

[tough marsh]

Leeds is known from sp. From the Solnhofen limestone

[toxic oriole]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protospinax
Whats the size of this fish

It seems interesting for those future aquarium stuff

[tough marsh]

The Wikipedia page says the size

[toxic oriole]

Oooh, a coelacanth bundle here

[fiery crow]

we need Leedsichthys man

[toxic oriole]

Wait Dakosaurus was there too?

Wow

Ah, Anurognathus was there too

Okay yeah, definitely could be a Jurassic Germany pack

Since some of them are just smol guys

Unsure if there are any beeg ones aside from beeg fish and those metriorhynchids and maybe some others that would work for a Jurassic Germany pack

[shy vale]

there's also the posidonia shale/sachrang formation with marine reptiles

like temnodontosaurus

that was pretty big

[toxic oriole]

I'm moreso going off terrestrial animals

[shy vale]

ok then

[toxic oriole]

Though if there are some semi-aquatics

And it does seem like some of those Jurassic Germany species are mostly small, unless you want to count marine species

[shy vale]

europasaurus should be in that pack even though it wasn't found in the solnhofen limestone

the suntel formation is around the same time though

[toxic oriole]

Hey I did say I changed it to Jurassic Germany, so its pretty much any Jurassic fossil formation in germany

[shy vale]

fair enough

oh there was like a big plesiosaur iirc

franconiasaurus

and there's also a megalosaurid, wiehenvenator, that was pretty big too

(maybe make that a torvosaurus alt)

[feral cedar]

it would be peak, we’d get a sort of prehistoric kingdom

[limber needle]

PSA for y'all who suggest rhamphorynchus for a terrarium species: rhamph is bigger than you think, it would definitely not fit in a viv, it's wingspan is longer than oviraptor's whole body length, also it we ever did get it (very likely if we get large fliers) a harpactognathus alt would be sick as it fleshes out the Morrison even further

[cosmic cosmos]

only just now wanting the greatest pterosaur of all time?

[cloud nymph]

as long as there is a flying reptile with a long thin tail I am a happy camper.

Als would Sordes be too big for an exhibit box?

[ancient ibex]

Archaeopteryx and Microraptor are flying reptiles with long thin tails

Sharovipteryx likely couldn't fully fly, but it was a gliding reptile with a long thin tail

(This is basically because I'm fucking tired of the Jurassic franchise being unable to say "pterosaur")

But yeah, long tailed Pterosaurs would rock hard

[balmy breach]

We all can agree how Jurassic movies fell out of their OG touch. But hey, that's just "nostalgia" apparently.

[ancient ibex]

The self-referencing "on brand" approach is highly corpo, but at the end of the day the issue is that their stuff bleeds out onto everything paleo related

TTBT, Eudimorphodon would quite nicely fill the vanilla vivarium pterosaur niche Rhamphorhynchus may be too large to fill

[balmy breach]

Perhaps Sordes, something more obscure to spice it up.

[ancient ibex]

Eh

[balmy breach]

Just like Disney Dinosaur Carnotaurus antagonist instead of T. Rex is a great example, how it wouldn't hurt to focus on lesser known names from time to time for diversifying.

[ancient ibex]

Meh

If you just take a obscure name to have it play the part of a more well known relative, then what's the point?

Sordes is a rhamphorhynchid-grade animal whose claim to fame is being "the fuzzy pterosaur", until it was realized that, yes, that as a common trait

It is a neat animal, yeah, but, pterosaurs have plenty of diversity to cover

[balmy breach]

Just stating how you don't have to overuse the most well known examples and try to showcase some lesser known stuff in media for variety. Wasn't talking about PK in that part, just media in general. BUT if Sordes wouldn't be on your menu, how about IDK, Cycnorhamphus? The pterosaur with strange jaws, making it a possible durophage, or crushing shellfish, its diet? OR if you want something with long tail, I'm RN thinking of Darwinopterus and its odd fingers, seen some cool paleoart before with giving it a shake.

[shell sonnet]

Sordes is weird because like Rex, it's the one of the few animals I tended to see with both genera and species name.

[tough marsh]

its name also means Filth

[autumn plover]

Got some ideas for Mesozoic dlc based on unconfirmed animals, I tried to make it realistic by keeping between 4-7 animals, theme is explicitly Mesozoic non-avian dinosaurs:

South America pack

• Amargasaurus
• Austroraptor
• Herrerasaurus
• Irritator

Africa pack

• Suchomimus
• Nigersaurus
• Majungasaurus
• Masaikasaurus
• Kentrosaurus

Asia pack

• Yangchuanosaurus
• Mamenchisaurus
• Therizinosaurus
• Gigantoraptor
• Guanlong
• Prenocephale
• Olorititan

Australia/Antarctica pack

• Australovenator
• Minmi
• Cryolophosaurus
• Glacialisaurus

[ancient ibex]

Eudimorphodon
Dimorphodon
Rhamphorhynchus
Darwinopterus
Pterodactylus
Pterodaustro

Pteranodon
Nyctosaurus
Istiodactylus
Tropeognathus

Tupandactylus
Dsungaripterus
Thalassodromeus
Quetzalcoatlus

(If limited to 10 pterosaurs)

And missing anurognathids

[fiery crow]

I’d replace Minmi with Kunbarrasaurus

[left spear]

Yeah Minmi is like... a nothingburger. The boxy head belongs to. Kunbarra.

[fresh ember]

I don't really see the point with replacing anymore with Minmi now being a parankylosaur.

Especially when you gotta remind everyone that Argentinosaurus is still a thing ingame.

[fiery crow]

is Argentinosaurus still just a single bone, or has more been found?

[fresh ember]

The devs used Patagotitan as a major point of reference.

But yeah, Argent is still a few vertebrae and whatnot.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Argentinosaurus_9.svg/1280px-Argentinosaurus_9.svg.png

Minmi could easily be a contender with this in mind, especially seeing as it's still the quintessential Australian thyreophoran in the public eye at the end of the day.

[open heron]

Kunbarra is also a Parankylosaur so it doesn't have anything going for it still.

[fresh ember]

FFS

[open heron]

If anything Minmi has less going for it now than it did before being reclassified as one.

[fresh ember]

Again, by the logic you guys go with, Argentinosaurus shouldn't have been an addition, either.

[ancient ibex]

Argentinosaurus hasn't had its most distinctive material reassigned to a different genus

[fresh ember]

Or Leallynasaura, for that matter.

[fiery crow]

Carcharodontosaurus

[open heron]

maybe not
argentinosaurus does still have its size compared to its relatives as a factor though tbf.

[fiery crow]

they have enough material from other titanosaurs, small ornithopods, and carcharodontosaurs though

[fresh ember]

I also wanna emphasize Leaellyna in particular, seeing as its most distinctive trait (the tail) may also belong to something else.

I personally find the issue a bit of a double-standard with how anal everybody acts over the matter.

[fiery crow]

the most annoying part is that they act like Argent, Leallyna, and Carchar are the only exceptions

[shell sonnet]

I agree, it shouldn't have been

[fiery crow]

but they still included it

[lean hound]

imo Madagascan animals shouldn't be in a general africa pack

[autumn plover]

That's like British animals shouldn't be part of a European pack, it's part of the same continent.

[desert flame]

PK's Macrauchenia skin is likely to look close to the latest theory.

[peak hazel]

yeah but you generally don't associate them in this context

[cosmic cosmos]

i dont think continet packs are the way to go anyway

[peak hazel]

there wasn't even much if any faunal overlap between mainland africa and madagascar

at least with Britain and continental Europe you have a bit

[slender tangle]

Found that the PK wiki says there's a possible amphibious mammal coming to PK in a future update. Is there any merit to this, or are the wiki editors just blowing smoke?

Should be noted it was in the same paragraph talking about the confirmed Allo and Stego inclusions

[shell sonnet]

It's assumed to Ambulocetus, which was on the blurry roadmap

[slender tangle]

OH
I AM INTRIGUED

[desert flame]

Probably,Ambulocetus is addition U18.
tiis old road map

[ancient ibex]

People assuming bad faith at wiki editors in the age where they'd believe any crap spewed by a LLM is something to move on

[shell sonnet]

Fandom does suck though and Wikipedia is teaming with Amazon and others for AI

[ancient ibex]

The likely animals to get this year, and the final EA additions, are likely to be Allo, Stego, Pachycephalo, Bary, Deinos and Ambulo

[shell sonnet]

I'm worried about the latter's reliability

[desert flame]

and Utahraptor

[ancient ibex]

Except that's not quite what wikipedia is doing

[ancient ibex]

I don't see Utahraptor coming this year ngl

[desert flame]

yes
U19 is 2027.

[slender tangle]

I'm guessing U18 is gonna be amphibious creature themed?

Maybe adding new water-based mechanics?

[peak hazel]

we're getting a wetlands map

this is on the trello

[feral cedar]

Trust me when I say “fan wikis” shouldn’t be listened to as a rule

[lean hound]

so why say it's coming this year..?

[lean hound]

Not at all

The British Isles are nowhere near as isolated from the mainland as Madagascar is

[desert flame]

I was mistaken
Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[ancient ibex]

The PK wiki is curated by people in the server

[plush nacelle]

Mau words from some time ago

[coarse inlet]

Wasn’t that part of the fake roster

[plush nacelle]

No

Mau fakes vivarium mammal being semi-aquatic

But there always was one semi-aquatic exhibit one

[coarse inlet]

Oh

Interesting

[plush nacelle]

To be fair it makes sense a lot of people miss these, because plenty interesting info regarding game developement is never coming out of discord

Aside ocassional reddit post

[tulip umbra]

Jan 20th, Istiodactylus Latidens. An often overlooked pterosaur with quite the extensive and complicated history. It was originally discovered in 1887 England and formally described in 1901 in the genus Ornithodesmus, since then more fossils have been discovered leading to the erection of the new genus Istiodactylus. From its dental structure and wear, we can tell that this pterosaur was most likely a scavenger shearing off flesh from carcasses like modern day vultures. Paired with an unusual skull shape and 5m wingspan, this animal is definitely deserving of a slot in a future aviary roster.

[fiery crow]

yet another considerably less obscure one. very nice to see these.

HABITAT:

• Anteosaurus magnificus
• Bohra paulae
• Kosmodraco dakotensis (alt. species magnicornis)
• Manis palaeojavanica
• Megalotragus kattwinkeli
• Pavo bravardi
• Regaliceratops peterhewsi
• Rusingoryx atopocranion
• Shunosaurus lii
• Xenokeryx amidalae

AQUARIUM:

• Abyssosaurus nataliae
• Alienacanthus malkowskii
• Ankylorhiza tiedemani
• Brachiosuchus kabanishensis
• Megalampris kayesi
• Xiphiorhynchus rotundus

AVIARY:

• Buteogallus daggetti
• Istiodactylus latidens
• Thalassodromeus sethi

VIVARIUM:

• Austrolimulus fletcheri
• Mesolimulus walchi
• Teraterpeton hyrnewichorum

[cosmic cosmos]

maybe only update once a week, we dont need the full list always

[tulip umbra]

Yea, i appreciate the thought though

Im probably gonna do some more less obscure animals with fun or cool stories in the future as well, afterall they all deserve the spotlight

[slender tangle]

(part 1 of splitting up the herbivore pack into smaller ones)
Herbivorous/omnivorous theropod pack:

Exhibit species
-Gigantoraptor (plants/fruits/bugs) (desert, scrubland)
-Falcarius (plants/fruits) (grassland, coastal)
-Elaphrosaurus (plants/fruits/bugs) (grassland, scrubland, tropical)
-Anzu (plants/fruit/bugs) (coastal, temperate, wetland, tropical)

Vivarium species
-Caudipteryx (fruit/bugs)

[fiery crow]

Saltasaurus loricatus, a titanosaur from Late Cretaceous Argentina. Described in 1980, it is most notable for the armor embedded in its skin.

[static flame]

what is that parksosaurus

[slim flare]

Lmfaoooo

[ancient ibex]

Thescelo's return would be glorious ngl

[shell sonnet]

Aye, a victim of Leaelly

[slender tangle]

The albertosaurus is also an allosaurus picture

[slender tangle]

Part 2
Sauropodomorph pack:

Exhibit species
-Saltasaurus (plants) (scrubland, grassland coastal)
-Brachytrachelopan (plants/fruit) (coastal, tropical, wetland)
-Amargasaurus (plants) (desert, scrubland, grassland)
-Europasaurus (plants) (coastal, tropical)
-Eoraptor (plants/fruit/insects/meat) (desert, scrubland)

[shell sonnet]

Eoraptor is too big for the vivarium

One on the left

[slender tangle]

Whoops
My mistake

[shy vale]

replace eoraptor for buriolestes for vivarium?

or it is still too big?

[shell sonnet]

Just skip it all together, you're not going to find a good vivarium option for Sauropodmorpha

[fiery crow]

all of them were fucking massive

well. Buriolestes was about the size of a cat. it might just work.

[toxic oriole]

Ehhhh Velociraptor is already in that size range I believe

And its an exhibit animal

[toxic oriole]

So if Velociraptor can be one, so can Buriolestes...

[fiery crow]

Velociraptor was way before the vivie update though
and I think Peltephilus is around the same size range? idk

[slender tangle]

Imma just skip the vivarium and replace Theco with Eoraptor

[vast berry]

yes

[quick ore]

you misread

[fiery crow]

what is that Albertosaurus

[quick ore]

they're asking "What is that Parksosaurus" because the image you used looks like shitty ai

[fiery crow]

that’s my question

[quick ore]

yeah

[fiery crow]

bro used an Allosaurus drawing for a tyrannosaur

[limber needle]

Pelte is a burrower tho

[autumn plover]

Since Velociraptor was added we have had smaller animals like Leallynasaura added, and animals like Oviraptor in the same size range. There was never a chance it would ever be a viv animal. Compare it to the current vivarium dinosaurs and it's huge.

[fiery crow]

what about Scutello and Heterodonto?

[shell sonnet]

middle one in the second column from the left is Heterdonto, one above that is Mononykus, V-raptor is bottom of the next column to the right.

[fiery crow]

oh I had no idea Hetero was that tiny

[median glen]

Amargasaurus

Or any tiny sauropods

[quartz estuary]

small sauropods like Europasaurus

[fiery crow]

Brachytrachelopan

[alpine thicket]

Amarga is up there with Nigersaurus as one of the best sauropod picks.

[fiery crow]

I think Salta and Shuno would be neat

[left spear]

Salta i can take or leave

Shuno is a must for dlcs imo

[proper raven]

Amargasaurus even as a small sauropod is not that tiny lol

[runic tiger]

Still elephant sized

Just smaller compared to the giant sauropods

[autumn plover]

The sauropods I’m holding out for are Diplodocus, Mamenchisaurus, Nigersaurus, and Amargasaurus. I don’t really think anything else is worth it imo

You get an African sauropod (the best possible one), two iconic sauropods, and the sauropod with the longest neck that’s also from Asia

[digital pendant]

These plus salta for me

Saltasaurus is such a cool lad

[fiery crow]

Xinjiangtitan mmmaybe?

Anchisaurus

Melanoro

Nemegtosaurus

Sauroposeidon

Annakacygna hajimei, a giant, filter-feeding marine swan from Late Miocene Japan. Due to the amount of adaptations that differentiate it from any living species of swan, it has been dubbed the “ultimate bird”.

[shy vale]

why not maybe paralititan?

also how big is raeptosaurus?

or is it too redundant?

[autumn plover]

Argentinosaurus is very similar

[shy vale]

fair enough

i think i would want a turiasaur and a rebbachisaur

rebbachisaurus itself comes from africa iirc

[shell sonnet]

Nigersaurus is want you for a rebachisaur

all other options aren't as good

[fiery crow]

would Xinjiangtitan be too redundant with Mamenchisaurus?

[shell sonnet]

Mamechi is a mess of a genera so at best Xinjiang would be an alt

[shy vale]

i mean aside from mamenchisaurus being a mess, taxonomically-wise

[shell sonnet]

However, I can think of three species from Mamechisaurid I'd rather get first

[shy vale]

wamweracaudia as an mamenchisaurus alt for more tendaguru representation

[fiery crow]

and Anchisaurus and Melanoro would be too redundant with Plateo?

[shell sonnet]

No

Melanoro is rather different

As for Turiasaurs, you'd want either Turiasaurus itself or Mierasaurus based on what we have. I prefer the latter simply because it comes with the bonus of living beside Utahraptor

[fiery crow]

Melanoro was quadrupedal instead of bipedal right

[shell sonnet]

I believe so yes

[fiery crow]

Nemegtosaurus and Sauroposeidon would be redundant with Argentino methinks

[shell sonnet]

Melanoro would probably be a sauropod if the definition did not explicitly exclude it

Nemegt isn't but... we only have the skull. We have no idea what its body plan is

Best to stick to Salta for a second titanosaur

[fiery crow]

if we got another titanosaur I’d be fine with just Salta

[slim flare]

Amargasaurus needs more support tbh

Easily should be the next sauropod added

[shell sonnet]

It'll likely be Dippy

[fiery crow]

Amarga, Shuno, Salta, Melanoro, Europa, Niger, Diplo

those are the sauropods I want the most

Anchi would work as a Plateo alt. and so would Masso methinks

[shell sonnet]

They would not

They could share the same rig

[fiery crow]

that’s what I meant

[eager thunder]

What sauropod would need a significantly different rig anyhow?

[left spear]

Nigersaurus

Maybe the dwarfs

[eager thunder]

I know there’s a sauropod that barely even has a neck

This damned thing

[autumn plover]

Nigersaurus is fairly familiar, it’s another short neck, long tail sauropod like Apatosaurus

[left spear]

Eh

It's mostly the neck

[autumn plover]

That looks like a plucked stegosaurus

[left spear]

Apato can still significantly lift it's neck

Niger cannot

[fiery crow]

La Brea Tar Pits DLC

Habitat:

• Aenocyon dirus
• Arctodus simus
• Bos antiquus, alt. genus latifrons
• Camelops hesternus
• Capromeryx minor
• Mammuthus columbi
• Nothrotheriops shastensis, alt. genus Paramylodon harlani & Megalonyx jeffersonii
• Miracinonyx trumani

Vivarium:

• Asphaltoglaux cecilae (Arboreal)
• Ectopistes migratorius (Arboreal)
• Meleagris californica (Terrestrial)

Aviary:

• Buteogallus woodwardi
• Coragyps occidentalis
• Teratornis merriami

[eager thunder]

I personally find it amusing

I love my weird critters

[shy vale]

brachytrachelopan

[eager thunder]

Ye

[low bridge]

No

Argentino was BIGGER

[low bridge]

And Argentino was in SA not in Africa

[autumn plover]

Yes

I know

that is why I used the wording "very similar", instead of "the exact same"

[quick ore]

Ato is saying Argentinosaurus is very similar to those other titanosaurs, which it very much is

it doesn't matter if it is somewhat larger or not from the same location

they look and function almost identical

[slender tangle]

Brachytrachelopan my beloved

[eager thunder]

I love my horribly weirdo creatures

[ancient ibex]

It is literally at the fringe, with sauropods having evolved from melanorosaur-like ancestors; I still believe Vulcanodon+Saltasaurus is more useful than Melanorosaurus < Saltasaurus

Anyway, yeah, Eoraptor, Shunosaurus, Mamenchisaurus, Diplodocus, Amargasaurus, Nigersaurus, Saltasaurus would rock

Massospondylus, Melanorosaurus, a dwarf titanosaur, a turiasaur... would also go hard

[peak hazel]

Dinosaurs found to be cool

[ancient ibex]

Animals are cool

[left spear]

Meh

Puny animals pale in comparison to the glory of supreme Fungi

[tulip umbra]

Jan 21st, Teyumbaita Sulcognathus. Rhynchosaurs are a very diverse group of animals that quickly filled the niche left behind by the Lystrosaurs. Teyumbaita is one of the larger members in the group and also the youngest, having survived into the Upper Triassic of what is now Brazil. The largest specimens of Teyumbaita indicate it could grow to 2.5 meters long, making it large enough to be an exhibit animal whereas Hyperodapedon Gordoni at 1.3 meters would be better suited as a vivarium animal.

[feral cedar]

tar pits DLC without Teratornis?

[feral cedar]

For turiasaurs I think either Zby or Mierasaurus could work

the dwarf titanosaur slot would be great for Magyarosaurus

[coarse inlet]

I'm definitely in favor of making Nigel say "Zby"

[left spear]

The exhibit potential of Magyaro is great

My 4th most wanted sauropod

[feral cedar]

Titanosaur roster can cover all bases with Argentinosaurus, Saltasaurus, Magyarosaurus, and maybe one of the Nemegt species

I’m partial to Opisthocoelicaudia because I want to hear Nigel try to pronounce THAT

[quick ore]

I mean

that would require aviaries

[left spear]

Teratornis is also like

An Argent alt and not much more

Saying this at risk of Satan beating me to death with a copper pipe

[cosmic cosmos]

there is an aviary section at the bottom of that suggestion-

[quick ore]

my b I thought that was just for smaller species since I didn't recognize their names

[fiery crow]

I fixed it

[vast berry]

We need Proceratosaurus

[cosmic cosmos]

good alt for guanlong

[vast berry]

Megalosaurus needs to be added: it literally was the first dinosaur to be discovered and named

This is how it used to look in the 17th-19th centuries

[toxic oriole]

A bunch of people are gonna say its a nothing burger nowadays

[vast berry]

Mmmmmm..... nothing burger

[flint sable]

Ill say that its held its position as Generic Theropod with Generic Name surprisingly well

take that as you will

[vast berry]

Should be added for its historical significance; it's the reason we have the name 'Dinosaur' at all

[fiery crow]

Eustreptospondylus is also kind of a nothing burger

[quick ore]

it's fragmentary

[toxic oriole]

New idea

MegaloLAMNA

HAH!

YOU THOUGHT I WAS GONNA SAY MEGALODON, DIDN'T YA?!

OR MEGALOSAURUS, OR MEGALOCHELYS, OR MEGALOSOMETHING

[vast berry]

Fragmentary shouldn't matter; speculation is healthy.

[coarse inlet]

it's a pretty good specimen

[vast berry]

Made famous from its appearance in 'Walking With Dinosaurs'

https://tenor.com/view/walking-with-dinosaurs-cruel-sea-stay-outta-the-water-gif-13067017124801415630

This is a Prehistoric Public Service Announcement

[peak hazel]

It'd be a glorified Torvo alt

I get adding Megalosaurus but it shouldn't be the top of anyones list

Eustreptospondylus also didn't look like the wwd one

[limber needle]

Possibly semi aquatic megalosaurid that possibly bridges the gaps between megalosaurid and spinosaurids is a nothing burger. That is a sick ass dinosaur if I've ever heard one

[mint creek]

Megalosaurus my goat

[limber needle]

Correct, it was cooler

[peak hazel]

true...

[slender tangle]

Part 3
Thyreophoran pack:

Exhibit species
-Sauropelta (plants) (scrubland, wetland, coastal)
-Tarchia (plants/insects) (desert, scrubland)
-Borealopelta (plants) (grassland, scrubland, coastal)
-Chialingosaurus (plants/fruit) (tropical, wetland)
-Stegouros (plants/fruit) (temperate, coastal)

[left spear]

Mymoora?

why if i may ask

Idk i think something like Borealo would be be kidna just better

[slender tangle]

I already put Sauropelta on there, didn't want to fill the pack up with nodosaurs

Mymoor was originally going to be polacanthus

I'll switch it to Borealo

[peak hazel]

Borealo is too well preserved to not be included

also this Threophoran pack is looking more like an ankylosaur pack

[abstract compass]

People who argue eustrepto is boring has no idea what they are talking about

[shell sonnet]

Borealo is well preserved, at the same time, it comes from a marine deposit. Rather we get Edmontonia and Sauropelta (which also have good speciment), to fill out existing formations.

[peak hazel]

makes sense

[shell sonnet]

I raise.

[mint creek]

Hell yeah more Africa rep

[left spear]

It's both funny and sad how half of Africa's likely rep is literally just Madagascar

[shell sonnet]

Add its neighbor as well, which is one of the most complete sauropods

[mint creek]

GOOD choice

[autumn plover]

People sleep on Edmontonia but it’s a really cool animal

I really hope it’s still coming

[mint creek]

Same

[peak hazel]

hopefully

[mint creek]

Borea would be my number 1 nodosaurid but Edmon is a close 2nd

[abstract compass]

for a medium sized megalosaur this would fit or megalosaurus itself.

[slender tangle]

Well I had to cut a bunch for efficiency. I was trying to chose only a novel set
If I put in every single one I wanted, people would've complained it was too big a list and had too many redundant picks, but I guess I can't do anything right regardless

[feral cedar]

holy victim mentality

fyi thyreophorans lasted like 130 something million years, so it’s not exactly ideal to try to condense such a long-lasting and varied clade into one singular DLC

[slender tangle]

Don't even

Every time I make one of these packs there's a problem with it. What do you even expect me to do?

[feral cedar]

There’s like a 90% chance someone will disagree or otherwise suggest a few tweaks whenever people post entire DLC concepts

don’t take it personally

[digital pendant]

Disagreeing is fine, but some people will be way too blunt over speculative dlcs

Of course you can also ignore such comments

But it goes both ways

[digital pendant]

My only advice is that do the stuff you think it makes sense for you, this chat is to post stuff for the devs to see. You dont have to please the folks who police other people's choices. You dont have to be hard on yourself because of that either 😅

[shell sonnet]

There are no correct answers to new additions

Except for mine

[feral cedar]

It's the harsh reality lol

Personally clade-oriented DLCs are something I disagree with, but it's not because I think it's a "bad" idea but rather I think they wouldn't do justice to the clade

[peak hazel]

you know what we really need

a Theropod dlc

specifically for the clade Theropoda

[feral cedar]

And also some clades are actually doing pretty well in PK. We're basically one new saurolophine and a well-placed Tenontosaurus away from having impeccable ornithopod rep

[desert flame]

Personal Triassic List
Herrerasaurus
Postosuchus
Saurosuchus
Desmatosuchus
Placerius

Eoraptor
Thrinaxodon
Effigia
Drepanosaurus
Longiusquama
Odontochelys
Carthorhynchus

[peak hazel]

truth and real

Dinosaur clades are way too diverse for these sort of dlcs
Theropoda especially

but people can have fun making their dlc ideas

[ancient ibex]

I personally believe that we are missing a few more small ornithopods; Hypsilophodon is always good despite the weird JWE3 overreaction, Thescelosaurus may be back into ornithopoda and is always neat... and of course Campto and Tenonto for medium sized animals would go hard

[feral cedar]

Wait, thescelosaurids may be ornithopods again?

[ancient ibex]

Recovered as such in the ceratopsian Zalmoxes paper

[peak hazel]

we are very close to having a perfect Ornithopod roster

[ancient ibex]

Which, again, wasn't the focus of study

Just like we are getting results here and there that don't have Psittaco as the earliest diverging ceratopsian

Those end up being "huh, that's interesting, gotta look at it later" details, rather than paradigm shifts

Just like Carnosauria and Neoceratosauria as clades of medium to large predators pop up at times

[peak hazel]

is Carnosauria an actual clade

I looked into it and got mixed info

[ancient ibex]

Carnosauria is the Allosaurus > birds clade

But, let's not get off topic

[peak hazel]

huh

would that be Allosauroids and Coelurosaurs?

[shell sonnet]

I wouldn't say no to more Ornithopods, but we have 8. There are other groups that I think the devs should focus on instead.

[ancient ibex]

Eh, ornithopods are a telltale element of mesozoic faunal assemblages

[peak hazel]

for ea we have a good ornithopod roster
but it could be better

[ancient ibex]

They are always welcome in my book

[feral cedar]

ngl taco being the earliest diverging ceratopsian never made sense to me, especially considering how Yinlong and other chaoyangsaurs were from the Jurassic several million years before the taco takeover of Asia

[ancient ibex]

Coelurosaurs by definition are birds > Allosaurus, can't be carnosaurs. However, you can have non-Allosauroid carnosaurs whenever Megalosaurs end up as closer to Allo than to birds.

Under that broader Carnosauria, we are literally expecting its rep to double this year

We have 2 Torvos, Spino, Acro and Carcha, and we are getting 4 allosaurids and likely Bary

[feral cedar]

PK devs casually adding the entirety of Allosauridae

[peak hazel]

they should

[ancient ibex]

Asfaltovenator crying in a corner

[feral cedar]

smh

[peak hazel]

I think I get it

I've always understood it as Megalosaurs and Allosauroids

[shell sonnet]

Sure, we also have (for exhibit animals) no paleozoic animals, no non-dinosaur mesozoics, a dearth of cenozoic animals, and barely any Thyreophorans. Pachy aside, I'd be hard pressed to name a Neornithischian I'd want over that stuff.

[feral cedar]

I mean, non-dinosaur Mesozoic animals are not planned for a while for the most part since most of them require special locomotion

[plush nacelle]

Triassic

[shell sonnet]

Deinosuchus is speculated based on the road map. The issue isn't locomotion, it's rigs. But, you're going to need new rigs for a lot of non-dinos anyway.

[slender tangle]

I don't know if there's a section for this, but do you think we'll ever get more plant biomes, or are we stuck with the 8 until full release?

[shell sonnet]

There's really not anything else to add.

[peak hazel]

not sure what other major biomes there could be

that aren't aquatic

[outer crater]

Deinosuchus is worth the cost of a new rig considering how popular it would be

[slender tangle]

Maybe and alpine or montane forest? Or would those just be squeezed into tropical and boreal?

[shell sonnet]

Boreal is basically alpine.

[autumn plover]

I wonder if we could ever get a proper Jungle or Rainforest map

[peak hazel]

costa rica

[autumn plover]

it's more Tropical than Jungle

[slender tangle]

Tropical is jungle

[digital pendant]

Jungle and tropical rainforest are basically the same

Actually

Interchangable

Jungle is just generic tropical forest really

[slender tangle]

There is temperate rainforest, but that's literally just the coastal biome

[digital pendant]

Yeah a mix of biomes

I think what ato means is a denser tropical map

Which tbf costa rica isnt just a carpet of dense rainforest, its got a lot of open spaces

[tulip umbra]

Jan 22nd, Dollocaris Ingens. One of the weirdest crustaceans ever with a body plan so foreign it looks alien. Dollocaris belongs to a group of crustaceans called the Thylacocephala which look like they belong in the Cambrian, but actually spanned from the Upper Ordovician until the Upper Cretaceous. D. Ingens itself comes from the Middle Jurassic of France, with adult specimens reaching a 30cm carapace length (bigger than Sahonas). This unique little critter was highly predatory. Its huge compound eyes (precision), raptorial appendages (grasping) and rear appendages (swimming) combine to make a speedy pursuit predator.

[coarse inlet]

What? We aren’t even close

[peak hazel]

another small Ornithopod, Tenontosaurus and Camptosaurus would do it for me

theres others I'd like though

[coarse inlet]

We need another saurolophine and a thescelosaur

[coarse inlet]

It’s too small to be visible in game which is a shame because it rules

[mint creek]

Kind of sounds like we are pretty close then

[tulip umbra]

Its not too small tho

[coarse inlet]

4 away isn’t that close imo

[peak hazel]

30cm should be visible

even if it probably wouldn't work in anything large

[tulip umbra]

Its carapace is bigger than sahonas shell as i wrote

[coarse inlet]

https://41.media.tumblr.com/a6b1927dc25bbba5e4467451c9647f13/tumblr_nkwrmbXFC41sh1ns2o2_1280.jpg

[mint creek]

We've got 12 already. If we only need 4 more that's decently close.

[tulip umbra]

Dont believe everything u see on the internet

[coarse inlet]

Wait what

[tulip umbra]

Ive looked into the papers myself and they report specimens with a 30cm carapace

[coarse inlet]

I saw things say 20 cm

[tulip umbra]

Sahonas shell is 25cm iirc

[coarse inlet]

Well that’s good news then

[coarse inlet]

Depends who you ask

[outer moth]

This one would make one person extremely happy

[fiery crow]

thylacocephalians in general were so damn weird and mysterious. Dollocaris is probably one of my most wanted inverts.

[burnt gate]

Add albertosaurus PLEASE

[hollow flower]

Daeodon is by far the animal I want back the most from the old roster

[fiery crow]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dinosaurs/images/a/a0/Aphthoroblattina.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20201002152656

Apthoroblattina sulcata, a giant cockroach from the Late Carboniferous period. Unfortunately, it’s likely far too small to be included.

[shy vale]

i would like a teratosaurus alt for postosuchus, a lisowicia alt for placerias

oh, and santa maria species alts for the ischigualasto species (staurikosaurus for herrerasaurus, buriolestes for eoraptor, and prestosuchus for saurosuchus)

[vast berry]

Megalograptus needs to be added; the infamous Sea Scorpion of the Ordovician, made well-known from its appearance in the first segment of 'Sea Monsters'

[fiery crow]

very good Amphibious vivie candidate

[sharp dock]

aphthoroblattina being a giant cockroach is widespread misinformation that has been going around since like 2008

todays largest cockroaches are bigger than aphthoroblattina

[alpine thicket]

for example, these cuties

[coarse inlet]

What Pleistocene stuff would be good for boreal species

That isn’t already in the game of course

[toxic oriole]

Is that one peafowl a pleistocene rep?

Or older?

[sharp dock]

p sure it's older

late pliocene or so

you mean Pavo bravardi right

[toxic oriole]

Yes, the boreal one

The boreal peafowl as I nickname it

[sharp dock]

it wasn't really boreal though

but it could live in colder climates

[toxic oriole]

A nickname is a nickname

Doesnt have to make sense

[coarse inlet]

I mean “boreal” in this game seems to cover anything with regular snowfall

[quick ore]

cave hyena?

bos?

[toxic oriole]

Cave Hyena?
I mean I do know it exists

But uhhh

Was it really cold where it lived?

[sharp dock]

Cave hyena sounds kinda boring ngl

[left spear]

It's a subspecies of Striped Hyena iirc

Just go for dinococruta

[sharp dock]

arctodus would be nice

[toxic oriole]

I keep seeing varying sizes between Arctodus and Arctotherium

Of both short-faced bears, which one of them WAS the largest?

[quick ore]

what? no

[toxic oriole]

I swear

[sharp dock]

Arctodus, Bos, Mylodon

[quick ore]

it was a member of Crocuta

I think if not the cave hyena, there should be A hyena in game

[sharp dock]

rn general consensus is that it's a subspecies

[quick ore]

yes but not related to striped hyenas

[toxic oriole]

What other Hyena species are there aside from the Striped one?

[sharp dock]

ah yeah, possibly they mixed up and meant spotted

not striped

[quick ore]

Spotted Hyena, Brown Hyena, and Aardwolves

[coarse inlet]

Dinocrocuta

[toxic oriole]

Aardwolves? Since when were they considered... Oh

I think I get it

[sharp dock]

Chasmaporthetes

:)

[quick ore]

wh

[coarse inlet]

What do you mean

[quick ore]

what do you mean since when

[quick ore]

that may not be a hyena though

[toxic oriole]

I myself never knew they were related to Hyenas

[quick ore]

how

[coarse inlet]

Pretty sure it is considered one these days

[sharp dock]

if you look at an aardwolf it looks like a small striped hyena

[toxic oriole]

Probs because I grew up with some kids show that didnt go into detail on Aardwolves

[quick ore]

ah ok

I mean my thinking is

[toxic oriole]

They HAD em, but they didnt go into detail on what they were

from what i can remember at least

Something about them being termite eaters

[coarse inlet]

So similar that I wonder if that’s the ancestral hyena appearance since they aren’t close relatives

[quick ore]

if we have cave bears and cave lions, why not cave hyenas

[toxic oriole]

Why not a Cave Wolf???

[quick ore]

wh

[toxic oriole]

Oh thats right...

[quick ore]

that isnt

that's not a thing

[toxic oriole]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_wolf

It sorta is

Just a subspecies of Gray Wolf

Extinct one

[quick ore]

oh

[left spear]

Subspecies should be the exception not the norm imo

[quick ore]

I mean that's less interesting than a cave hyena

[coarse inlet]

Cave hyenas are ok but they aren’t as interesting as the big ones

[quick ore]

I agree

[left spear]

Like literally the most boring hyena you could choose

[sharp dock]

got confused for a second

[toxic oriole]

PFFFFFFFFFFT-

Mammoth Steppe-adapted Wolf

[quick ore]

I just also would find it annoying if cave bears and cave lions got in, but the extinct subspecies that would make ME happy didn't

[toxic oriole]

I guess you're a Hyena lover?

[sharp dock]

her in her least egocentric moment

🗿

[coarse inlet]

I get that but while they’re neat cave hyenas are not nearly as iconic

[quick ore]

is that not obvious

I understand that

I don't think cave hyenas are even needed

I just would be happy to see them in game

[coarse inlet]

Fair

[quick ore]

especially given their butchered design in PhP

[sharp dock]

I mean I wouldn't mind cave hyenas, it's clear that PK has a bit of a leaning towards the classic ice age cave animals

[quick ore]

eugh

[sharp dock]

besides that a hyena rig is needed regardless for both Dinocrocuta and regular crocuta

[coarse inlet]

I don’t remember much about them in PhP what was the problem

[quick ore]

they looked ugly

and oddly not like actual hyenas

[sharp dock]

it can't possibly be that OH GOD

[quick ore]

YEAH

[coarse inlet]

Shoulda referenced those spotted hyenas with winter coats

[sharp dock]

WHAT THE F IS THAT

[left spear]

You tell

[quick ore]

I stg they must have used canids as reference images because how did they turn out so ugly

[toxic oriole]

Huh?

Thats how they depicted Cave Hyenas?

[coarse inlet]

Wow that looks real caniform wtf

[toxic oriole]

AND HYENAS ARENT EVEN CLOSELY RELATED TO CANINES afaik
Or something

Correct me if im wrong

[coarse inlet]

Yeah they’re feliforms

[left spear]

Closer to Cats and bears

[quick ore]

they're very far from any caniform yeah

wh

no

not bears

bears are caniforms

[left spear]

Huh

[quick ore]

bears are NOT feliforms

[left spear]

I mean i know that

[quick ore]

you said hyenas are closer to bears

[left spear]

But i thought they were their own thing

[quick ore]

they aren't

[left spear]

No i mean them not being feliforms

[quick ore]

what

what are you confused about

bears and dogs are caniforms, hyenas are feliforms

[toxic oriole]

So if they did add a Cave Hyena into the game, would you end up making a Hyena enclosure?

[quick ore]

uh yeah probably

[left spear]

I knew bears were not feliforms, i just thought they were their own group outside carniforms Closer to feliforms than to caniforms

[quick ore]

no

caniforms includes more than half of carnivora

[coarse inlet]

All carnivorans are either caniforms or feliforms

[quick ore]

there is no "outside of caniforms" that isn't feliform

[toxic oriole]

Remind me again, Pinnipeds are... Caniforms? Feliforms? Their own thing but related to Caniforms in some form?

Carnivora?

[coarse inlet]

The closest you get to stuff like that is stem carnivorans like hyaenodonts

[quick ore]

the only things closely related to caniforms and feliforms that aren't either if those themselves are pangolins

[quick ore]

caniforms

[coarse inlet]

Caniforms, closer to bears than to dogs iirc

[toxic oriole]

Their vocalizations sometimes get me thinking of dogs, but thats not it, huh?

(Seals)

[coarse inlet]

Caniforms are dogs, bears, mustelids, raccoons, red pandas, pinnipeds, and skunks

Feliforms are cats, mongooses, civets, hyenas, and a bunch of other little guys like linsangs and binturongs

[quick ore]

and Nandinia

that basal weirdo

[coarse inlet]

(And all the native Malagasy
Carnivorans)

[coarse inlet]

Yeah there’s a lot of “etceteras” in feliforms that most people don’t know about

[quick ore]

mhm

caniforms don't really have weirdos like that

the most basal caniforms just look like normal-ish dogs or foxes

among living species I mean

[toxic oriole]

Wait a minute, foxes?
Now I'm curious

Is there any extinct fox?

Prehistoric one?

[quick ore]

nothing interesting enough for this game

[toxic oriole]

Well there are a few extinct red panda relatives

Gotta check something

[quick ore]

those aren't foxes

[toxic oriole]

Once again, I end up switching to a different animal group

I am aware some zoos tend to house red pandas

Not really sure if any Red Panda enclosure is a vivarium or just an exhibit

[sharp dock]

Chapalmalania.... 😳

[cloud nymph]

Hmm yess
Gastornis

[low bridge]

Stephanohirnus

[left spear]

Eh

I'm all in for Normal kingdom but 1. I think thats a bit too much and 2. Half of the mammal roster are already rhinos n' co

[peak hazel]

Homotherium

[mint creek]

Megalonyx maybe for another boreal pleistocene animal

[ancient ibex]

Canids are the earliest diverging caniforms tho, but they are highly derived and they don't represent the ancestral condition

[vast berry]

Antarctica Pack:

• Cryolophosaurus
• Glacialisaurus
• Morrosaurus
• Antarctopelta
• Kaikaifilu
• Antarctanax

[thorny parrot]

You forgot Tyrannasorus rex 🪲

[left spear]

As a viv i would suggest Antarctanax

[fiery crow]

Giant Cave Cockroaches my beloved

[cosmic cosmos]

Antarctilamna would be a good aquatic, could be viv or exhibit (also devonian rep)

[left spear]

Aw

What a cutie

And exhibit

It's larger than Velo

[coarse inlet]

Blahaj ancestor

[eager thunder]

Prehistoric kingdom Ikea and they’ll sell plush these things

[low bridge]

Megalonyx Jeffersoni aka "Jeff"

[shy vale]

looks nice but could there be other fremouw species?

[desert flame]

I'd love to see some prehistoric bats added someday, especially Onychonycteris and Vulcanops.

[slender tangle]

Vulcanops would go hard in a terrestrial viv

Would a dodo be big enough for a standard exhibit?

[lean hound]

Probably

[quick ore]

if they make dodos vivs I can imagine there being a negative reaction to it