Community Species Suggestions

[flint sable]

all are uncs because they have had more time to get famous

[tough marsh]

Sorry idk hominids

[fiery crow]

Gwimbly should be added in the game

[flint sable]

which gwimbly

theres like 20 taxa

[fiery crow]

https://tenor.com/view/ooh-ooh-ooh-gwimbly-smiling-friends-happy-dance-adult-swim-gif-15815514087640925878

Gwimbly creamedcornensis, the type species

[tough marsh]

Was wondering what nodosaur would yall want

[fiery crow]

Gargoyleo would be nice

[coarse inlet]

Coelodonta: C. nihowanensis
Elasmotherium: E. caucasicum
Mammuthus: M. columbi, M. trogontherii, M. exilis
Megaloceros: Sinomegaceros yabei, Sinomegaceros pachyosteus
Panthera: P. zdanskyi
Paraceratherium: P. linxiaense
Smilodon: S. gracilis, Megantereon cultridens
Ursus: U. rossicus
Ankylosaurus: Anodontosaurus lambei
Apatosaurus: A. louisae
Brachiosaurus: Giraffatitan branchai, Lusotitan atalaiensis,
Camarasaurus: Cathetosaurus lewisi
Carcharodontosaurus: Taurovenator violantei
Coelophysis: "Syntarsus" kayentakatae
Dryosaurus: D. elderae, Dysalotosaurus lettowvorbecki, Valdosaurus canaliculatus, Elrhazosaurus nigeriensis
Edmontosaurus: Shantungosaurus giganteus
Gallimimus: Anserimimus planinychus
Lambeosaurus: L. magnicristatus
Nasutoceratops: Furcatoceratops elucidans
Ouranosaurus: Istiorachis macarthurae
Oviraptor: Rinchenia mongoliensis
Parasaurolophus: P. tubicen, Tlatolophus galorum
Plateosaurus: Issi saaneq
Protoceratops: P. hellenikorhinus, Bagaceratops rozhdestvenskyi
Psittacosaurus: P. lujiatunensis, P. sinensis
Styracosaurus: S. ovatus, Centrosaurus apertus
Torvosaurus: Megalosaurus bucklandi
Triceratops: Torosaurus latus
Tyrannosaurus: Zhuchengtyrannus magnus
Velociraptor: Linheraptor exquisitus, Tsaagan mangas

Allosaurus: Asfaltovenator vialidadi
Stegosaurus: Hesperosaurus mjosi

[shy vale]

actually i think instead of saltriovenator, there could be asfaltovenator as an allosaurus alt?

[coarse inlet]

yes

that's what I meant to write lol

for some reason I keep mixing those names up

[shy vale]

i guess you're going with closest relatives right?

[coarse inlet]

yeah

or very close relatives at least

[shy vale]

though why rinchenia instead of citipati?

[coarse inlet]

becuase Citipati has very different proportions to Oviraptor

[shy vale]

i see

why taurovenator instead of mapusaurus or giganotosaurus?

[coarse inlet]

and Rinchenia would be good for mixed Nemegt exhibits

[shy vale]

i see then

[coarse inlet]

Giga/Mapu should be a full species with a full suite of skins to reflect its popularity

[shy vale]

ok

[coarse inlet]

Mapu being a good alt

[shy vale]

what about euoplocephalus as an alt for ankylosaurus instead of anodontosaurus?

[coarse inlet]

because even Anodontosaurus is a stretch

Ankylosaurus is pretty different from its relatives

[shy vale]

i think euoplocephalus may be a better choice considering that there's other dinosaur park dinosaurs, such as styracosaurus and lambeosaurus

also zhuchengtyrannus vs daspletosaurus?

[fiery crow]

wouldn’t Europasaurus be a good alt for Camarasaurus? they’re both camarasaurids.

[coarse inlet]

Europasaurus is most commonly recovered as a brachiosaurid

never seen it recovered as a camarasaurid

[shy vale]

what about liliensternus for coelophysis alt?

[shy vale]

that's not the same as camarasaurids

[coarse inlet]

Camarasauromorpha includes brachiosaurids and titanosaurs

[shy vale]

that's the clade that has camarasarids, brachiosaurids, and somphospondyls (which titanosaurs are part of)

[fiery crow]

ah

speaking of
anybody down for Saltasaurus?

[toxic oriole]

Uhhh

[shy vale]

for argentinosaurus would alamosaurus work as an alt?

[toxic oriole]

Heres the thing

Liliensternus is MUCH... MUCH larger than Coelophysis

[shy vale]

i see then

[toxic oriole]

Definitively the largest Coelophysid

[coarse inlet]

that we know of

but yeah they were HUGE

bigger than Dilo

[toxic oriole]

If they had managed to make it to the cretaceous and the jurassic, who knows how big they could get

[shy vale]

ok then, what about camposaurus?

[toxic oriole]

More morrisson representation would be nice

Camptosaurus is one of those morrison animals, mind you

[shy vale]

i mean sure

but what i meant was this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camposaurus

[toxic oriole]

BAH

To think I thought you were talking about Camptosaurus

[shy vale]

i'm not against adding camptosaurus either i would argue

[coarse inlet]

Camposaurus is ok but not as interesting as "Syntarsus"

[shy vale]

i see then

[toxic oriole]

Both

Why not have the both of them?

Unless they are not large enough to be exhibit

[shy vale]

also what about adasaurus as a velociraptor alt?

or shri devi/rapax

[coarse inlet]

both are too different in proportions

[toxic oriole]

Shri (The genus) is pretty much distinct from Velociraptor

They could definitely be their own thing

Hell, rapax is a recently described second species for Shri anyways

Sooo

[coarse inlet]

Shri is closely related to Velociraptor but its different neck and tail proportions wouldnt work well

[shy vale]

ok then

[toxic oriole]

If you're gonna add Shri, you're gonna have to get devi AND rapax

[coarse inlet]

I'd like it but it'd need to be its own species

[shy vale]

what about luanchuanraptor too?

[toxic oriole]

Never heard of that one

[shy vale]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luanchuanraptor

[coarse inlet]

I dont see a reason to

[toxic oriole]

No skull from what I can see

[shy vale]

i see then

[coarse inlet]

no unique features that'd be visible externally

[toxic oriole]

then again rapax' skull is missing

[shy vale]

but seriously if vivarium animals had alts i definitely would want a manipulonyx alt for mononykus

and it eats eggs maybe

[toxic oriole]

Scratch this, even if Rapax's skull is missing we got a good idea on what it looked like

[coarse inlet]

yeah

we know its appearance even if it cant be studied directly

[toxic oriole]

Acheroraptor is somewhat pointless according to some people

[fiery crow]

Efraasia for Plateo alt.?

[toxic oriole]

While Acheroraptor would be good for some additional Hell Creek representation, well...

It wouldn't be the best pick

I wouldn't mind seeing it, but its NOT... How do I put this?

Not interesting enough??? I don't know

Especially going off the other hell creek biota

[shy vale]

i think anzu would be pretty cool considering it's a big oviraptorosaur?

if we wanted to add additional hell creek biota

[toxic oriole]

I mean yeah, additional caegnathids would be nice and all

[fiery crow]

Palaeosaniwa for Hell Creek rep

[toxic oriole]

Especially Gigantoraptor

Citipati could be cool too, since it did co-exist with Oviraptor yet it is larger

and more complete, but uhhh

🤷‍♀️

I don't got any good arguments for being AGAINST some of these species

Other people here are much better at it than I am

Yet you cant forget the paradox of using one animal to reconstruct the other given how Citipati is more complete than Oviraptor and how Giraffatitan is much more complete than Brachiosaurus and so forth

[shy vale]

what about saurornitholestes?

[toxic oriole]

That tiny one?

Tiny dromaeosaur moment

[coarse inlet]

it's Velo sized

[toxic oriole]

At least, I think?

[toxic oriole]

Adding that to a list of dromaeosaurs similar in size to Velociraptor, with Shri being at the top of the list

[shy vale]

if there was a deinonychus, i think i would want adasaurus to be its alt

[coarse inlet]

basically assume any eudromaeosaur is about that size unless stated otherwise

[coarse inlet]

How

[toxic oriole]

Now Deinonychus is too important to EXCLUDE from the game, and it definitely could serve as DLC stuff

[shy vale]

similar size, but the proportions would be too different, i will admit

[toxic oriole]

And keep this in mind: Utahraptor is likely coming to EA at some point, or on full release

[coarse inlet]

Adasaurus is a good deal smaller and not at all similar to Deinonychus

[shy vale]

fair enough

[toxic oriole]

Its interesting how some recently extinct birds were close to the size of Deinonychus or Velociraptor, but not TOO close

Oh who am I kidding

[fiery crow]

how we feeling about Ozimek as a vivie

[toxic oriole]

Non-extinct birds have the exact same thing

Never heard of it

OHHH

[shy vale]

that could be interesting

[toxic oriole]

Its some archosauromorph reptile

[fiery crow]

I’d prefer Sharovipteryx but both would be neat

[shy vale]

apparently these things are related to tanyostropheus somehow

i also think that longisquama/mirasaura could also work as a vivarium species

[flint sable]

imagine a cursed hybrid between tanystropheus and shaviropteryx

the size and neck of tany but the gliding capabilities and general build of shaviro

[fiery crow]

knowing the Triassic that probably exists and we just haven’t found it yet

[eager thunder]

If we could get another ceratopsian

Pentaceratops or Xenoceratops

I’m on the dance

*fence

[shy vale]

i would rather get leptoceratops

because leptoceratopsids haven't been represented yet

and the putative european ones are too uncertain right now

[eager thunder]

Ok I wouldn’t mind if that happened

But Xenoceratops is really cool

[shy vale]

would limusaurus be a vivarium species or is it too big?

[toxic oriole]

Yeah too beeg

Velociraptor sized I guess

[shy vale]

but limusaurus could be interesting in terms of ontogeny and diet

or maybe do elaphrosaurus?

[toxic oriole]

Elaphrosaurus is even larger

[shy vale]

yeah i know

but seriously if more therapods are added noasaurs should be there

but i'm repeating myself

[coarse inlet]

yeah we need ceratosaurs

[eager thunder]

Do we need those?

Like I think there’s more interesting options

[shy vale]

limusaurus ontogeny would be interesting

[toxic oriole]

Given how there is a juvenile specimen as shown in that one picture I sent...

[eager thunder]

More interesting than normal?

[shy vale]

i mean it lost its teeth as it got older and went from an omnivore to a herbivore

[eager thunder]

Oh
Ok

I mean yeah that’s something

[peak hazel]

I've also met him

I have a signed copy of his book

[tulip umbra]

1m shell length not including neck, terrestrial for clarification

[open heron]

I think its width would make up for how short it is in this case.

so it could probably be a free roaming species

[left spear]

Here's my revised RE wishlist:

Terrestrials:

Wild Horse + Quagga
Dodo
Aurochs
Thylacine
North Island Giant Moa + Eastern Moa
Great Auk
Bluebuck
Hanyusuchus sinensis
Archaeoindris fontoynontii
Pinta Island Tortoise
King Island emu
Warrah

Flyers/Aquatics:

Haast’s eagle
Steller’s sea cow
Baiji
Caribbean monk seal

Vivariums:

Eastern hare-wallaby (Terrestrial vivarium)
Tenerife giant rat (Terrestrial vivarium)
Round Island Burrowing Boa (Terrestrial vivarium)
Carolina parakeet (Arboreal vivarium)
Hispaniola monkey (Arboreal monkey)
Passenger Pigeon (Arboreal vivarium)
Chinese Paddlefish (Wetlands vivarium)
Japanese Otter (Wetlands vivarium)
Yunnan Lake Newt (Wetlands vivarium)
Silver trout (Freshwater Aquairium)
Gravenche (Freshwater Aquarium)
New Zealand grayling (Freshwater Aquarium)

[autumn plover]

I’m late to the conversation on Megalosaurus but it’s pretty frag

[sharp dock]

me when my bones are blue

[autumn plover]

It would genuinely be a misuse of dev resources to add it when you can just take Torvosaurus tanneri, max it’s neotony to 70% and you have functionally the same thing as Megalosaurus. We don’t have enough of it to know it looked differently

[mint creek]

Nah Megalosaurus is a good pick

One of my most wanted

[autumn plover]

lol ok

[sharp dock]

Kinda sad your most wanted is a dinosaur that you basically already have in the game

[autumn plover]

^

[mint creek]

Why is it sad

[autumn plover]

He explained why

[open heron]

If you stay completely still then Megalosaurus skeletons cannot harm you, for they are cyan, and cyan attacks only damage moving targets.

[mint creek]

I don't see why that makes it sad

[autumn plover]

It’s actually a good stand in as well, close to the right size and looks different enough from the adults to look like a different species.

[mint creek]

Yeah that's not enough for me. I want it as an actual species.

[sharp dock]

where kelenken

[autumn plover]

“Hey I want a smaller version of something already in-game, we know even less what it looked like than the original species”

[mint creek]

First named dinosaur, big scientific significance, good for roleplaying in gameplay.

[open heron]

Megalosaurus definitely falls into the "please don't add it in base game but absolutely do throw it into a DLC as an easy to make animal that will sell well" category alongside the likes of Giga, Shant, and Cory imo.

[mint creek]

Would be so sick to start a park with Iggy and Megalosaurus.

"Here's how our understanding started"

[autumn plover]

I doubt it would even sell like those ones lol

[open heron]

It's a large theropod

People will eat up large theropods no matter how well known it is. They could add Ulughbegsaurus and it'd still sell.

[sharp dock]

Unfortunately "big scientifc significance" isn't much a big reason to add an animal ingame

[autumn plover]

There’s a lot of large theropods though, so many with more of a reason than just “it would sell”

[sharp dock]

JWE2 added megalosaurus and it's incredibly forgettable still

[mint creek]

I think it is

[open heron]

JWE headlines nothingburger theropods in its DLC pack all the time and it seems to be a financially sound move for them.

[sharp dock]

It doesn't have anything going on besides its "big scientific significance"

[autumn plover]

^

[left spear]

Because it has a shit desing there

[mint creek]

Yeah and that's big enough for me to want it

[sharp dock]

that might play a role too 🗿

[left spear]

If you give it the nasal crest Megalo is unique enough for an alt

[autumn plover]

If you give something like Zhuchengtyrannus a nasal crest it would be worth adding

[sharp dock]

is it a MOST wanted though?

[autumn plover]

Or just give Riparovenator wings so it’s worth adding

[mint creek]

Yep

[open heron]

Absolutely, but (most of) those also take a lot more dev time and I'm specifically saying Megalo's not a bad animal to just throw into a DLC pack precisely because it wouldn't take as long to make and would still give you decent results.

[left spear]

Not comparable at all but ok

[mint creek]

First dinosaur known 🔥

[autumn plover]

Fragmentary taxa, with better versions in-game, yup sure is.

[left spear]

People have preferences, i wouldn't mind it.

[mint creek]

This channel can be the most anti-fun place sometimes

[autumn plover]

To be fair, with some of the things people suggest

[mint creek]

God forbid people have different optinions and criteria for what is good for the game

[sharp dock]

I wouldn't mind it either but it would be like "okay" as it is an animal that doesn't really add anything new to the game

[peak hazel]

Megalosaurus is scientifically important so I think it has a place in the game

[open heron]

People suggest stuff like Nanuqsaurus all the time. Megalosaurus is nowhere near as bad by comparison.

[mint creek]

It's in my top 10 most wanted for post EA

[left spear]

It's arguable the same as argentino, fragmentary dinosaur that isn't too unique

[peak hazel]

but its not a priority for me

[left spear]

If argentino is valid then so is megalo

[sharp dock]

Funnily enough I would find Nanotyrannus to be more of a worthy addition rn

[left spear]

I'd argue Megalo is more valid than argentino in all fields

[sharp dock]

in what sense?

[left spear]

-Implying Nano is a mid addition

[sharp dock]

unironically has gone from a mid addition to a good one

[open heron]

Nanotyrannus is a distinct looking animal though, not sure how it's relevant.~~ (It's stealing Dryptosaurus' thunder a bit I can't lie but that's about it.)~~

[mint creek]

We're getting Saurophaganx man, the people in this chat need to chill on how important fragmentary remains are for the game

[left spear]

More complete, more significant to science and better formation

And again more unique if you give it the crest

Lets be real we're at some point getting fucking giga

Megalo can make it in

[open heron]

Mark my words we'll get a South American DLC and Giga will headline it.

[mint creek]

Megalosaurus a premium pick just like me

[left spear]

If it's a mesozoic one it sure will

[open heron]

It will be the objectively least cool pick of the pack, but it will still headline it.

[sharp dock]

giga is way more popular than megalo though so I don't think they play on the same page

[open heron]

I think it'll just be a continent pack without time constraints

[left spear]

Popularity is and always will be a shit value to consider

[sharp dock]

ehhhh fifty fifty

[open heron]

mostly cenozoics cus that's most of the cool south american fossil animals anyways but with a few mesozoics that couldn't find their way into free updates or other packs here and there too.

[sharp dock]

species get popular because of good traits usually

[left spear]

Debatable

Giga is cool but as far as we know comically generic

It's irrelevant frankly

[mint creek]

I'd want Giga

[sharp dock]

They made carch smooth and elegant so giga can be gnarly and nasty

[left spear]

I'd rather get a neat megalo alt with a cool feature

[left spear]

Same argument can apply to Megalo

[mint creek]

One of the most popular theropods and I want the game to be successful so I want them to pander a little bit with some picks

[open heron]

So are all carchs who are not Acro and Conca.
Giga is mostly famous for being big enough for the surpass rex competiton the 90s and 2000s had, and for the first carch to be really pushed, so when people see a carch they think of giga.

[left spear]

If we didn't have carch then sure, we kidna need one of those, but any (Meraxes, Mapu, Giga, Carch, tyranno...) would have done the trick

[open heron]

Was Meraxes even known about then?

[sharp dock]

there's also this problem with south america being littered with giant carcharodontosaurids....

[left spear]

I don't mind Giga

[open heron]

Also we had Acro sinc EA launch and we very well could have went the entire dev cycle with it as our carch if you ask me.

[sharp dock]

Giga, Mapu, Meraxes, idk giga is the more popular choice but I don't really care which one gets added

[left spear]

But megalo is a better and more valid pick, and lets be real there's a 75% chance we get giga, so megalo is as valid as any

[sharp dock]

to my eyes they are the very same

[mint creek]

It's honestly a little surprising we got Carch over Giga in EA

[left spear]

Meraxes is ever so slightly unque but yes overall

[open heron]

Ok but you'd have to be a wheres waldo speedrunner to be able to notice the minute differences without staring for a while tbf.

[vast berry]

https://tenor.com/view/postosuchus-roaring-dinosaur-wild-life-gif-17285182

[open heron]

Semi-related but it's wonderful to see that Carch Talk persists even now.

[peak hazel]

I love the no context gifs

[vast berry]

Host Postosuchus gets added, though correctly bipedal

These GiFs have context Mr Dubious-Name. Animals we want to see soon.

[sharp dock]

this is all tiktaaliks fault

if it hadn't evolve we wouldn't have to debate what terrestrial tetrapods are cool to have in the game

[vast berry]

How about Seymouria?

[open heron]

Ok but we'd be eusthenopteron descendants arguing about what placoderms to add to Prehistoric Aquarium instead, which I'm not sure is any better.

[vast berry]

When deep water gets added, Deinosuchus needs to be added too

https://tenor.com/view/parasaur-giant-crocodile-bite-gif-17282321

[left spear]

Boy do i have news for you

[peak hazel]

the deep water that technically exists

Mau said diving and underwater viewing isn't coming

[vast berry]

yet; still need to work it out in programming. Look at other games for reference material and learn how to do it

[peak hazel]

no outright

[open heron]

I think there's still a 30% chance it comes anyways, like the many other things that have once been deconfirmed out right.

and a good 50% it was planned and things changed later down the line. I don't see them adding Ambulocetus without diving, and that was on the deciphered roadmap we were given a while ago.

[plush nacelle]

Zoo games in the past could feature penguins or sea lions without diving

[vast berry]

'Planet Zoo' launched without deep diving, until late 2020

[sharp dock]

There are theories that it was initially intended to have diving but it was ultimately left as for a later update

[peak hazel]

I wouldn't believe Mau's deceptive practises with species hints

but saying that we won't get a specific mechanic is different

[sharp dock]

besides that hippos do move underwater

it was weird

[plush nacelle]

I mean when you read developer journal for aquatic pack ...

[sharp dock]

what did it say? I dun remembah

[plush nacelle]

Essentially king penguin was ready for launch, but they wanted to make it deep dive, so postponed it

[open heron]

I just think if we find out they moved on to Pakicetus instead it'll be a clear sign of those words ringing true.
The main reason you pick Ambulocetus over Pakicetus is because the former's spending more time under the water, without that then the latter has more educational value and would probably be easier to add onto existing rigs too.

[sharp dock]

they said that in the journal?

[plush nacelle]

Like whole aquatic pack probably didnt exist, because there is concept art for SA with giant otters lmao

They just created it, because deep diving as feature was not ready for launch

[sharp dock]

oh you right

it's so interesting, seeing how Planet Zoo has developed

actually, does anyone remember that one news article saying the game at launch had baboons and dikdiks? 🤔

actually I don't remember well, or was it just baboons

[plush nacelle]

Both

[sharp dock]

isn't it odd how the zookeepers pack ended up having both

[plush nacelle]

Another interesting thing I noticed is jaguar being straight up present in tutorial concept art and pangolin wrongly using anteater walking animations. These were definitely base game animals at some point

[open heron]

Kinda, but it also seems a long time to have held them off when they could have easily put them in earlier packs.

[sharp dock]

what if the zookeepers pack is just stuff that had been hanging for a long time

there's a lot of odd things going on with the game

but ultimately Planet Zoo has ended in a very good point, coati lack aside

oh woops I think the convo is derailing a bit

[cosmic cosmos]

Dakosaurus would be a good thalattosuchian, sharing a formation with Rhamphorhynchus, Dacentrurus, Metriorhynchus and Pliosaurus. It also has a good size, not massive but quite large and also an interesting body shape.

[open heron]

It's neat.
A lot of neat aquatics, very stiff competition; think it has a decent shot though.

[sharp dock]

Dakosaurus is a very cool pick

With swimming now working I really hope we get more semiaquatics soon

[shell sonnet]

Dako is my #1 lagoon want for JWE. Would love it if it was part of the first wave of aquatics.

[fiery crow]

Gracilliceratops?

[feral cedar]

Would Graciliceratops be vivarium or full exhibit

[shell sonnet]

vivarium

[fiery crow]

so would Yinlong and Aquilops methinks

[shell sonnet]

(Yes, I'm aware that Gracil is an immature specimen)

(So is compy)

[ancient ibex]

Compy isn't even represented by the larger specimen

[ancient ibex]

Once we get into stuff like Auroraceratops we are pretty much dealing with Velociraptor sized animals ngl

[shell sonnet]

Hope Zalmoxes robustus gets sorted out soon. Hateg island just isn't right without it.

[feral cedar]

Hațeg Island has a small ornithopod, the only real question is what do we call it

Wait…

I’m seeing on Wikipedia (heh), Zalmoxes shqiperorum was given its own genus, Ferenceratops. However it seems Zalmoxes robustus is fine

[shell sonnet]

Robustus might also be a ceratopsian based on the holotype, according to the last paper. And keep in mind the holotype is some dentary.

[cloud nymph]

What if, hyrax
but extinct?

[tulip umbra]

Titanohyrax is ur answer

[cloud nymph]

Hell yea

[outer moth]

What if: Sauroposeidon

[left spear]

May i ask why?

I mean its about the same as argentino

genuine curiosity

[outer moth]

You say that yet Sauropo's more unique in bodyplan than argent

It fulfills the Cloverly formation which is severely lacking at the moment

[left spear]

I mean i guess

pretty valid opinion

but personally i don't see it as anything but an alt

[outer moth]

More unique than Dreadnoughtus, that's for sure

Plus it's existance is pretty unique to palentology

Due to the random absence of sauropods in NA for several million years

[peak hazel]

not an ea creature but one I would like to see

[shell sonnet]

To be fair, if the referred material is correct, we have more of Sauropo. Having said that, we've got Brachi and there are a lot of Sauropodmorpha groups without reps that I want to see come first.

[outer moth]

Yeah, I'd prefer that Mamenchisaurus comes first

[mint creek]

I like Sauroposeidon but I'd like Dippy, Amarga and Nigersaurus first

oh and Salty

can't forget him

[tulip umbra]

Shuno, Niger, Amarga, Diplo, Mamenchi, Salta all have priority

[outer moth]

I'd say Brachytrac but idk if that's popular enough

[tulip umbra]

But id love to see more titanosaurs too

My most wanted alt of the “missing” alts is Giraffatitan

[shell sonnet]

Dippy, Mamenchi, Shuno, Amarga, Salta, Niger, Masso, Miera, Patagosaurus, Eoraptor, Jobaria, Opisthocoelicaudia/Nemegt, Europasaurus, Euhelopus. A long list.

[shell sonnet]

It's unique enough. It's not high on my list but I wouldn't complain if we got that instead of say Miera or Jobaria.

[ancient ibex]

Sauroposeidon is the single additional giant somphospondylian I'd see working

(and it'd still be an in-between Brachi and Argent)

[outer moth]

Only reason Jobaria's even up here is cuz of JStocky

[shell sonnet]

Who, what?

[outer moth]

He likes making art of Jobaria in context of spec evo

[left spear]

Why are there so many of those 😭

[shell sonnet]

Why are they so unfunny

[tulip umbra]

Literally never heard of him, Jobaria cam stand strong on its own

[left spear]

The foxy one is amusing

[fiery crow]

Melanoro, Anchi and Masso?

it’d be nice to have a few more prosauropodomorphs

[tulip umbra]

I view sauropodomorphs and sauropods as different enough to the point where theyre in their own categories, hence why i didnt list any

Kinda like how small ornithopods and big hadrosaurs are very different

[fiery crow]

very fair

speaking of
since I missed my suggestion yesterday

Melanorosaurus readi, a basal sauropodomorph from Late Triassic South Africa. It’d be nice to have a basal sauropodomorph other than Plateosaurus, and Melanoro has the biggest chance of getting in in my opinion.

[shell sonnet]

Masso would honestly be better. There's more room for alts for one.

[ancient ibex]

Melanoro is more engaging as an animal as-is NGL, but Masso is great for filling out Early Jurassic stuff

[plush nacelle]

I would like sauropod in elephant size range

I guess amarga fits said criteria?

[ancient ibex]

Amarga and Niger are lowkey rhino sized

[cosmic cosmos]

id rather sarahsaurus for an early jurassic sauropodomorph than masso

[fiery crow]

it’s crazy to me how small Amarga and Niger were

[plush nacelle]

Something not ridiculous in size, but still within ,,prestigous,, range

[ancient ibex]

Amarga, Niger and Salta are quite neat for those size ranges tbh

Shuno as well

[ancient ibex]

Somebody not reading the "alt potential" deal...

[plush nacelle]

Amarga feels about right

For asian elephant size

[ancient ibex]

It really isn't tho

Asian elephants are larger than they appear, Amargasaurus is surprisingly small for a sauropod

[plush nacelle]

I use weight as metric

[plush nacelle]

I mean aside huge elephants from india peninsula this is about average for them

[ancient ibex]

(But yeah, overlap in Amarga estimates versus Elephas averages; max records, well, elephant is quite larger)

[plush nacelle]

But also rhinos can be freaking huge

Largest known white rhino was heavier than many elephants

Anyway, which sauropod could be like african elephant

So bigger 6 - 7 ton range?

[ancient ibex]

Saltasaurus

Nigersaurus is more readily rhino sized ttbt

[shell sonnet]

Patagosaurus would be about a ton more than that.

[coarse inlet]

Cañadon Asfalto dlc will never happen but it’d rule

[shell sonnet]

I don't need a dlc of the place, I just need Patago and Piatnitzky. They can come in time, clade or continent packs.

[coarse inlet]

Patagosaurus, Eoabelisaurus, Asfaltovenator (Allosaurus alt), Piatnitzkysaurus/Condorraptor, Manidens (Arboreal viv)

Also it’d be a rare case of Jurassic animals with a temperate biome

[shell sonnet]

Still the best Early Jurassic sauropodmorpha/theropod combo.

[coarse inlet]

IMO Eoabelisaurus is the most interesting theropod from the formation

[limber needle]

oposite of eurhinosaurus

[coarse inlet]

Swordfishn’t

[shell sonnet]

I find Eo more interesting for what it represents (the possibility* of Abelisaurids existing back in the early Jurassic) than the actual animal itself.

*because despite a good holotype, we still don't know where it fits.

[coarse inlet]

It’s still a pretty unique animal overall

[desert flame]

I'm looking forward to Deinosuchus appearing in the U18 .

[fiery crow]

Amphibious Box: Akidostropheus, Beelzebufo, Castorocauda, Cycleryon, Eurypterus, Ichthyornis, Mesolimulus
Amphibious Small: Acanthostega, Anatosuchus, Crassigyrinus, Gerrothorax, Halszkaraptor, Hynerpeton, Hyphalosaurus, Iharkutosuchus, Kayentatherium, Mesosaurus, Palaeosinopa, Phosphatherium, Pleurosaurus, Proterogyrinus, Talpanas
Amphibious Medium: Bernissartia, Champsosaurus, Dallasaurus, Didelphodon, Gnatusuchus, Habrosaurus, Henodus, Indohyus, Interatherium, Megalograptus, Megarachne, Obdurodon, Odontochelys, Praepusa, Presbyornis, Procynosuchus, Pseudocarcinus karlraubenheimeri
Amphibious Large: Axestemys, Chroniosuchus, Cyamodus, Hibbertopterus, Ichthyostega, Psephoderma, Saniwa

Arboreal Box: Anchiornis, Coelurosauravus, Desmodus draculae, Drepanosaurus, Epidexipteryx, Gigatitan, Hylonomus, Longisquama, Meganeura, Microleo, Purgatorius, Sharovipteryx, Sphenodraco, Suminia, Volaticotherium
Arboreal Small: Avisaurus, Caviramus, Confuciusornis, Darwinius, Diplobune, Ectopistes migratorius, Falcatakely, Gigarcanum, Heteralocha acutirostris (Huia), Jehelopterus, Jehelornis, Kuehneosuchus, Moho braccatus (Kaua’i ō’ō), Ozimek, Plesiadapis, Rahonavis
Arboreal Medium: Conuropsis carolinensis (Carolina Parakeet), Dimorphodon, Lophopsittacus mauritianus (Broad-billed Parrot), Meganeuropsis, Peteinosaurus
Arboreal Large: Archaeolemur, Bohra paulae, Campephilus principalis (Ivory-billed Woodpecker), Darwinopterus, Lapitiguana, Megaladapis

[coarse inlet]

No Diplobune?

[ancient ibex]

May even be a ceratosaurid

The issue is that ceratosaurids, abelisaurids and noasaurids don't really have well understood relationships

And noasaurids in particular may be highly unstable

[cosmic cosmos]

may I suggest Sphenodraco, its an arboreal rhynchocephalian from the same formation as Archaeopteryx

also, Saniwa is a very good amphibious option

[fiery crow]

Terrestrial Box: Albanerpeton, Bolosaurus, Bolyeria multocarinata (Round Island burrowing boa), Cacops, Deinogalerix, Docodon, Euchambersia, Fruitidens, Kapes, Megazostrodon, Morganucodon, Najash, Phlegethontia, Platyhystrix, Schleromochlus, Tetrapodophis, Thrinaxodon
Terrestrial Small: Araripesuchus, Caudipteryx, Ceratogaulus, Chaeropus ecaudatus (Southern pig-footed bandicoot), Eilenodon, Euparkeria, Graciliceratops, Isolobodon portoricensis (Puerto Rican Hutia), Leptictidium, Paenemarmota, Paleocastor, Patagopteryx, Pulmonoscorpius, Saltopus, Scutellosaurus, Seymouria, Shuuvia, Sinosauropteryx, Tetraceratops, Tianyulong, Tiliqua frangens, Ubirajara
Terrestrial Medium: Adalatherium, Aquilops, Elginia, Eohippus, Hesperocyon, Heterodontosaurus, Hyperodapedon, Myotragus, Protosuchus, Repenomamus, Taeniolabis, Trilophosuchus, Wannanosaurus
Terrestrial Large: Arthropleura, Basilemys, Madtsoia madagascariensis, Nuralagus rex, Orodromeus, Palaeosaniwa, Proganochelys, Propaleotherium, Wonambi, Vasuki

[fiery crow]

it’s only gonna get bigger from here. trust me.

[limber needle]

what about darwinopterus for the large terrarium?

[fiery crow]

would Darwinopterus be too big? that’s the questión

[cosmic cosmos]

seems fine to me

[fiery crow]

I could probably start doing speculation for fully aquatic vivariums soon

[coarse inlet]

Pteros size comparisons are pretty inconsistent just so you know

[fiery crow]

Bohra paulae and Megaladapis I feel are pretty big stretches when it comes to being vivie creatures
but at the same time it might be the only way they can really get in since they’re apparently not doing climbing mechanics for full habitat animals

[shy vale]

i mean ulughbegsaurus could potentially be among the last carcharodontosaurs, so there is a significance

also bissekty fauna has stuff like timurlengia and turanoceratops

[cosmic cosmos]

timurlengia seems way to fragmentary and there are better tyrannosauroids

i do like turanoceratops tho

i think it could be a good alt for zuniceratops

[fiery crow]

Aquatic Box: Cephalaspis, Sacabambaspis
Aquatic Small: Asterotrygon, Baculites, Bothriolepis, Burgessomedusa, Megamastax
Aquatic Medium: Anomalocaris, Eretmorhipis, Hupehsuchus, Omnidens
Aquatic Large: Isotelus rex, Megapiranha, Mixosaurus

[cosmic cosmos]

paleophis would just be a regular aquatic

there is no reason for it to be viv

[fiery crow]

if Titanoboa is a viv, then Paleophis should be a viv too

[cosmic cosmos]

why?

[tulip umbra]

Seems pretty small to me, there is a plethora of small aquatics

[fiery crow]

I know, I’m just starting

[tulip umbra]

We dont know, titanoboa is hindered by slithering which would clip in and out of ground all over etc. Sea snakes have the freedom of not having that issue.

[hollow flower]

Eretmorhipis my beloved

[cosmic cosmos]

sea snakes are also far more active than all other groups of snake

[fiery crow]

most of the vivie eurypterids that people could bring up I’ve already included in this #1360542295228944414 message

…well. Brontoscorpio I’m not so sure if it was fully aquatic or not.

[tulip umbra]

Isnt brontoscorpio just a pincer?

Just drop it then imo

[fiery crow]

yeah I didn’t include it

[tulip umbra]

I didnt include it on my scale chart cuz of that

Speaking of which ive finalised them

[fiery crow]

only included Eurypterus, Megarachne, and Hibbertopterus for Amphibious stuff

[tulip umbra]

Added couple species esp in turtles

[fiery crow]

noticed you changed some of the images

[cosmic cosmos]

imagine if they make paleophis social like modern sea snakes, that would be so cute seeing them all swarmed up

[cosmic cosmos]

these are peak

[tulip umbra]

👀

[fiery crow]

this is one I’m excited for, you were talking about it a few days ago or so

[cosmic cosmos]

refer to my list for some good additions for this one

[fiery crow]

I think I’ve got it

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NpcRlmDOozP4umVdGqdq-1pV4vkmmxaTk3eGTUEoxEc/edit?usp=drivesdk

[tulip umbra]

Also changed the viv symbols to show the three types

[fiery crow]

noticed that too

[cosmic cosmos]

who is the plated lizard?

[tulip umbra]

Which one?

[fiery crow]

doing viv icons for the Arthropods one is probably unnecessary because all of them would probably be vivies

[cosmic cosmos]

right under titanaboas head

[fiery crow]

I think Tiliqua frangens?

think I see Gigarcanum too

[tulip umbra]

Not sure which u mean

[cosmic cosmos]

helodermoides

[fiery crow]

I think they’re referring to this one

[cosmic cosmos]

yes, id never heard of it til now

[tulip umbra]

Art by the amazing HodariNundu

[cosmic cosmos]

i like him alot

[fiery crow]

I’d say Axestemys could work for a Large Amphibious? depends on which species

[tulip umbra]

This put it somewhat into perspective for me, its very debatable tho

[coarse inlet]

Axestemys would be better as a habitat species

[cosmic cosmos]

its on the cusp, but i agree habitat works better

[coarse inlet]

But if we only get one habitat freshwater turtle it needs to be Stupendemys

[fiery crow]

that’s the one I’d like the most above all else

[cosmic cosmos]

what is this one going to cover?

will mosasaurs be included

[fiery crow]

I thiiiiink squamates

[tulip umbra]

All lizards and snakes plus look alikes within sauropsida excluding mosasaurs

[cosmic cosmos]

awesome

[fiery crow]

in which case, some reccs:

• Diablophis
• Eilenodon
• Najash
• Palaeosaniwa
• Saniwa
• Sphenodraco
• Wonambi

[buoyant zephyr]

Akshually, 4 of those arent lizards, therefore you're wrong and deserve to be fed to a titanoboa 🤓☝️

[tulip umbra]

I said look alikes 🤓 haha

[cosmic cosmos]

all those are on my list, because i am the lepidosaur glazer

[fiery crow]

if it covered amphibians that were also look-a-likes I would’ve recommended Phlegethontia

[coarse inlet]

Titanoboa couldn’t eat a human

Skull was shockingly inflexible for a snake

[cosmic cosmos]

quiverrz about to make the best list yet

[buoyant zephyr]

||This canvases are kinda cool, continue to do more please||

[tulip umbra]

Tryna figure out a title for it tho

[fiery crow]

I also would recommend Tetrapodophis

[cosmic cosmos]

Lizards and their Lookalikes

[fiery crow]

very snake-like

[tulip umbra]

Perhaps just lizards

Its not a scientific term after all

[fiery crow]

Dallasaurus I would’ve recommended if you were including mosasaurs

[cosmic cosmos]

too small imo

[fiery crow]

not that small, it’s about Sahona-sized

[cosmic cosmos]

in length

[fiery crow]

then yeah

[cosmic cosmos]

its only a few cm wide

[tulip umbra]

Getting a sense of scale on the snakes is gonna be hell tho

Cuz always curled up and shit

[fiery crow]

maybe should exclude Najash too, bit too small

[cosmic cosmos]

its about 90cm, big enough

[fiery crow]

fair enough

[cosmic cosmos]

yeah lol, my pet bhp always looks tiny until i get her out and then i remember shes longer than me xd

[fiery crow]

ball pythons are precious little things
any of the smaller pythons in general

[cosmic cosmos]

i wish we could keep them here in aus

[tulip umbra]

What extant animal, can only be one. I was thinking komodo

[fiery crow]

it’s the largest lizard, so Komodo Dragon works

[tulip umbra]

For the manta ray i did, i needed to take the average wing span of 7m cuz their maximum of 9m didnt fit on the page haha

Mantas are my fav animal and they are humongous

[cosmic cosmos]

i love manta rays

[fiery crow]

they’re gorgeous to watch

[cosmic cosmos]

the fact they pass the mirror test is so amazing

[cosmic cosmos]

yeah, komodo for sure

[fiery crow]

my favourite thing about them is how they look like they’re flying when they move

[hollow flower]

Im guessing Sharovipteryx doesnt go in this category

[shell sonnet]

It would be better on a list of basal Archosaurs and their allies

[tulip umbra]

Jan 15th, Teraterpeton hrynewichorum. This archosauromorph would have roamed across Late Triassic Nova Scotia in search of tough plant material with its very unusual snout. Think plague doctor x monitor lizard and you’re spot on. It had many other confusing features alongside its keratinised beak like snout, such as large nasal openings, claws built for burrowing and a closed up fenestra akin to marine reptiles. What this mix of adaptations is exactly for is still uncertain, but it definitely makes for yet another weird looking archosauromorph just like its not so distant relative Shringasaurus.

[burnt gate]

it looks awesome

[median glen]

Cool suggestion

[thorny parrot]

I think Shringasaurus would be interesting to see.
More life from before the dinosaurs would be great in general. Way too overlooked by media most of the time

🙃 lol was even already mentioned a bit further above

[vast berry]

Some horned dinosaurs I'd like to see:

• Pentaceratops
• Torosaurus
• Centrosaurus
• Chasmosaurus
• Diabloceratops
• Lokiceratops
• Zuniceratops
• Einiosaurus
• Leptoceratops
• Microceratus

[quick ore]

2 of these don't even have horns

[mint creek]

Never heard of this guy before but now I need him

[vast berry]

If they're in the family, they count

[fiery crow]

alright. twenty viv species for each vivarium type + potential “speculative” vivarium types

[fiery crow]

Terrestrial: Adalatherium, Araripesuchus, Arthropleura, Diablophis, Docodon, Elginia, Euparkeria, Fruitidens, Heterodontosaurus, Hyperodapedon, Leptictidium, Pulmonoscorpius, Repenomamus, Saltopus, Scutellosaurus, Seymouria, Sinosauropteryx, Thrinaxodon, Trilophosuchus, Vasuki

[desert flame]

Ceratogaulus would be a good choice for a vivarium mammal.

[low bridge]

I want highly Social Little Rhino: Menoceras

[desert flame]

Nuralagus, a giant rabbit, would also be a vivarium animal.

[low bridge]

No

Not for Vivarium

[desert flame]

why?

[toxic oriole]

Seems a bit Velociraptor sized, unless I might be pushing it too far

Okay yeah its smaller than Velociraptor

[tulip umbra]

Jan 16th, Xenokeryx Amidalae. Honestly there is quite a lot I could say about this animal, but I’ll keep it somewhat short. To start, this animal roamed Spain and is part of the family Paleomerycidae, a family with a lot of gaps and an unknown place of origin. What we do know however, is that it’s a giraffoid likely an offshoot just before true giraffes. As far as its anatomical traits go, it has two frontal ossicones and a large T-shaped occipital appendage likely for display, so some degree of sexual dimorphism can be assumed. Furthermore it has sabre like upper canines, one of the universal traits of the family. Artiodactyls are a huge and widely successful group ranging from whales to deer, deserving of more rep in pk.

[desert flame]

Certainly, if it were the same size as a Velociraptor, it might work in a regular exhibit.

[coarse inlet]

Would it be a burrower?

Vivarium feels reasonable

[desert flame]

Ecology was different from that of modern rabbits, but they may have dug burrows.

[toxic oriole]

Plus they did co-exist with Myotragus at some point

So bonus points if Myotragus gets added

[fiery crow]

Nuralagus and Myotragus would both work as vivies methinks

[coarse inlet]

Yeah I think they’d both be good vivarium species

Though I’d want some kind of mountainous vivarium type for that

[fiery crow]

never thought I’d see the day when I’d say a goat-antelope would make a good vivie but here we are.

[toxic oriole]

Pair it with the rabbit and its something

[fiery crow]

Alpine? I’m sure we’ll be able to customize vivies further in the future.

[coarse inlet]

Yeah, that’s one of the layouts I’d suggest they add in the future

Myotragus, Dimetrodon teutonis, what else would go with that?

[fiery crow]

like this? #1360542295228944414 message

[coarse inlet]

Orodromeus

[coarse inlet]

Yeah

[toxic oriole]

Honestly, I had a vision with the goatelope...
An enclosure similar to what my local zoo has with its goats

https://www.pdza.org/animals/kids-zone/goats/

[fiery crow]

what would be some good Wading, Alpine, Benthic, Reef and Open Water vivie species, if they ever get added?

[toxic oriole]

Shallow water seems like a good start, I guess

[fiery crow]

Anomalocaris and Xenacanthus for Open Water for sure

[coarse inlet]

Wading: Presbyornis, Ctenochasma, Leptostomia

[desert flame]

I think trilobites are the best benthic fauna.

[toxic oriole]

Benthic?

[coarse inlet]

Alpine: Myotragus, Orodromeus, D. teutonis

[desert flame]

yes

[toxic oriole]

Oh, so its the literal bottom of any body of water

Benthic zone

[fiery crow]

Megarachne I think would be Wading too

[toxic oriole]

The sea scorpion moment

[coarse inlet]

Benthic: some trilobites, Gerrothorax, eurypterids

[coarse inlet]

I think it was more aquatic than that

I was thinking wading for water loving but not really aquatic stuff

[fiery crow]

did eurypterids ever come up on land? I added some eurypterids to my Amphibious spec doc.

[coarse inlet]

Flamingos, for example

[coarse inlet]

Yes

Specifically Hibbertopterus

[toxic oriole]

Speaking of Flamingos, are there any prehistoric flamingos?

[coarse inlet]

Yeah

[fiery crow]

ah… so not Eurypterus, Megalograptus, or Megarachne

[toxic oriole]

If you ask me, it seems likely some eurypterids would have gone onto the surface at times

Not all the time

But sometimes

[coarse inlet]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megapaloelodus

[coarse inlet]

Definitely not Eurypterus, that one was very nektonic

The others maybe but there’s no evidence for it

[fiery crow]

ah okay

Reef and Open Water will probably be easier

[toxic oriole]

Tbh, anything could fit in open waters

Anything in the oceans

Now deep water species? Yeah that one isnt possible from what I know

There isnt a way to house deep sea species as far as I am aware

[coarse inlet]

There is

Monterey does it

[fiery crow]

Anomalocaris, Pachyrhizodus, Omnidens, Stethacanthus, Xenacanthus

[coarse inlet]

Xenacanthus might be better as benthic

[toxic oriole]

How though?

And what type of deep ocean species?

Blobfish or something else?

[coarse inlet]

And Pachyrhizodus is too big for vivs

[coarse inlet]

Lanternfish, giant isopods, comb jellies, there’s more but I don’t remember

[desert flame]

Freshwater Eurypterus could also be added as an amphibious species.

[fiery crow]

already got Hibber

[toxic oriole]

Vampire Squid apparently

[eager thunder]

Is this supposed to be plato or

[desert flame]

Is that so?
I didn't realize.

[fiery crow]

on my list

[toxic oriole]

Could it theoretically be plausible to house a goblin shark with an aquarium designed for deep sea species if its made large enough?
Infact, could the same thing apply to other large deep sea species? Abyssosaurus could likely be housed in that scenario

[coarse inlet]

I mean Abyssosaurus breathed air

[toxic oriole]

Oh, right

... Anglerfish.

Or any angler

Could they theoretically be housed? And if there are ancient ones...

[outer moth]

Jobaria

[eager thunder]

Jo what?

[coarse inlet]

The main issue with Abyssosaurus is that they would be accustomed to deep diving for long distances

[toxic oriole]

Ah, so they'd need a GIGANTIC aquarium

One that goes down quite deep I assume

[coarse inlet]

Maybe

Idk how that works for stuff like elephant seals

[eager thunder]

Is there any Dinosaur or something you could imagine being flamingo pink

Been thinking on that

[toxic oriole]

Recollecting something, they only turn pink on account of what they are eating

[tulip umbra]

Abysso is like 7m long btw

[toxic oriole]

They'd be a deep diving species too from what phorcys said

[eager thunder]

What shrimp?

[tulip umbra]

U dont have to imagine

[desert flame]

Pelecanimimus

[eager thunder]

I mean I doubt this will stick around unfortunately

[toxic oriole]

Could be possible that Pterodaustro and other Ctenochasmid pterosaurs had a similar thing going on in their time

[eager thunder]

But I do actually really like

[toxic oriole]

Maybe Pterodaustro could've been eating a type of shrimp that makes them look pink

Or any other color

[eager thunder]

Ancient Spanish shrimp?

[coarse inlet]

Pterodaustro

[toxic oriole]

Shrimp feeder would be interesting

[eager thunder]

Oh I believe that

Is it actually shrimp tho cause I just said that

Ok yea it’s shrimp

[tulip umbra]

#1360542295228944414 message

[eager thunder]

Shrimp feeder that slowly turns animals pink

[toxic oriole]

If there were Shrimp in the nemegt formation, maybe Deinocheirus could've been... Okay actually nevermind
Wait, are freshwater shrimp a thing?

[fiery crow]

yes

[eager thunder]

Someone ought to put that in the suggested

[desert flame]

no
Spanish Ornithomimosaur.

[eager thunder]

I was just asking if ancient Spanish shrimp existed

[coarse inlet]

They are but the amount of shrimp to have an effect on a Deinocheirus probably not

[eager thunder]

They could have pink tint

[coarse inlet]

Why wouldn’t there be

[eager thunder]

Some feathers

[eager thunder]

I duno man

[coarse inlet]

But Pelecanimimus was probably a fish eater

[tulip umbra]

Flamingos are not eating shrimp like we eat shrimp iirc

[hollow flower]

Would the giant amphipods of Lake Baikal give the same pink colouration if eaten?

[tulip umbra]

Some tiny things like brine shrimp

[toxic oriole]

A shrimp feeder would be nice for the future

Would be nice to have more feeder options tbh

[eager thunder]

Someone should suggest that

[tulip umbra]

What?

[toxic oriole]

More feeders

[eager thunder]

Shrimp feeder

[toxic oriole]

OPTIONS

[eager thunder]

Specifically

[tulip umbra]

Aint no animal in game that can use that…

[toxic oriole]

Maybe not right now

But for the future it would be a decent idea

[eager thunder]

I mean who’s to say the big ducks and fake chickens wouldn’t enjoy them

[tulip umbra]

Paleontologists, the fossilised teeth etc

[eager thunder]

I mean it’s not impossible is it?

[coarse inlet]

It’s also important to note that not all flamingoes eat shrimp

Lesser flamingos eat algae

[eager thunder]

I mean what makes any animal naturally pink then

[coarse inlet]

Idk

Lesser flamingoes get their color from the photosynthetic pigments of the algae they eat

[tulip umbra]

This is an example of the shrimp flamingos eat

They filter feed

[coarse inlet]

Yeah they’re filter feeders

[outer moth]

Jobaria
A sauropod from Middle Jurassic Africa

[fiery crow]

most prehistoric shrimp would be way too tiny to ever get into PK

[coarse inlet]

Prehistoric animals that ate similar stuff are ctenochasmatids, hupehsuchians, and aristonectines

[toxic oriole]

Yeah I changed my suggestion to just be a feeder designed for filter feeding species

Would have krill, shrimp, and other small stuff animals would eat

or consume

Would plankton even count or what?

[tulip umbra]

Tbh that would just be a water trough that might look a lil murky or smtg

[slender tangle]

Maybe a block of frozen krill that creates a little bubble of krill-filled water around itself as it melts?

And the filter feeders just slurp it up until the block is gone?

[coarse inlet]

I think just something like the tide pool feeder with some little particles instead of fish would work

[blissful wolf]

Gastornis the giant terror bird looking bird that isnt a terrorbird and it was herbivorous, it was more closely related to waterfowl

[limber needle]

biskettipelta may have been filter feeding

[eager thunder]

Brilliant

[covert spade]

The introduction of the new Vivarium system raises the possibility of Meganeura & Arthropleura being added in the future.

[fiery crow]

they probably will

Pulmonoscorpius and Hibber should be added too

[eager thunder]

I kinda personally hope those aren’t limited to a vivarium

[amber field]

Hmm wolly rhino

[coarse inlet]

There’s no real way for them not to be

[shell sonnet]

Their means of locomotion pretty much restrict them to the vivariums; also I think people forget that Meganeura isn't that big

[shy vale]

what about meganeuropsis?

[shell sonnet]

Same story

[shy vale]

it was bigger than meganeura and was a close relative

[lean hound]

What is the obsession with putting any smallish animal in a vivarium

[fiery crow]

same story for Mazothairos too

[shy vale]

because the existing animals

[fiery crow]

I mean he has a point, Nuralagus would work as a vivie

[shell sonnet]

It's really just a case of less work for the devs

Also the rabbit burrows

[fiery crow]

so would Eohippus, Myotragus, Propaleotherium, and Taeniolabis

[lean hound]

Not specifically Nura, but I see so many viv suggestions that could easily work as full animals

[lean hound]

Fair

[coarse inlet]

I’m not sure what you mean

Vivariums are for smaller animals and those with unique locomotion

That’s the point

[fiery crow]

which is why Titanoboa got in

[lean hound]

and I see a bunch of suggestions for animals big enough for normal enclosures with normal locomotion

[shell sonnet]

Meganeuropsis has a wingspan of 71 cm. Microraptor gui has a 90 cm wingspan, whilst also being longer.

[coarse inlet]

Such as?

[lean hound]

I can't give any examples, this thread is way too active

[fiery crow]

so many people underestimate how tiny Meganeura was

[fiery crow]

…if you’re gonna make a claim, why wouldn’t you at least try to back it up?

[plush nacelle]

Meganeura body is like 3cm wide prolly

This small

[coarse inlet]

Generally I don’t see anyone suggesting things Velo sized or larger for vivariums

[shell sonnet]

Certainly not for vertebrates

[coarse inlet]

Unless it’s arboreal, fossorial, Semiaquatic, or otherwise difficult to do in full habitats

[fiery crow]

wouldn’t this technically mean that Megaladapis is viable as a vivie since it was arboreal

[lean hound]

I've seen quite a few

[fiery crow]

then… list them.

[lean hound]

Yeah man sorry for not ingraining every message into my memory

[plush nacelle]

The biggest I remember is that basal pinniped at 20k in weight

[fiery crow]

Praepusa?

[coarse inlet]

Just saying that without examples isn’t helpful

No one’s asking you to name every single thing but if you’re bringing up something that’s bothering you we can’t really understand what you mean without examples

[plush nacelle]

Myotragus is also lowkey big

[fiery crow]

I don’t think it’s that big

[rigid spindle]

would tanystropheus work as viv or nah?

(I used the dino 'ditions tanystropheus)

[fiery crow]

…no

[rigid spindle]

Yeah I realize that now

[fiery crow]

it’s still crazy how big the vivies really are

[shell sonnet]

The smallest species, yes

[rigid spindle]

How small is it?

[shell sonnet]

The larger ones, are okay for regular but I would wait for aquatics for come first

[fiery crow]

I would prefer Tanytrachelos or Akidostropheus when it comes to vivie tanystropheids

[rigid spindle]

The smallest definitely fits in viv

[fiery crow]

but Akidostropheus is just a few vertebrate

[shy vale]

i know that vivariums don't do alts

but a sinosauropteryx alt for compsonagthus would've been logical?

[fiery crow]

I could see:

• Anatosuchus
• Bernissartia
• Brachychampsa
• Gnatusuchus
• Iharkutosuchus
• Mekosuchus
• Trilophosuchus
  working as Amphibious vivies

[shy vale]

what about albanerpeton or gerobatrachus?

[fiery crow]

Albanerpeton isn’t a croc

[shy vale]

i see

[shell sonnet]

Sino's important but it really isn't adding anything new. If Compy was scalier, I could see the point.

[fiery crow]

are there any other vivie crocs I’m missing

[vernal maple]

The way the two images line up my immediate reaction to this was human sized rabbit lmfao

[coarse inlet]

But it’s a climber

[plush nacelle]

Um

Does it change anything?

[rigid spindle]

got the tiny tany as close as i could

[fiery crow]

unique locomotion needs

[rigid spindle]

would it be possible for an exhibit animal to have a viv alt?

[coarse inlet]

Probably not

[plush nacelle]

Be serious, myotragus is not climbing vivarium trees lmao

[shy vale]

though it would be cool for dimetron if there was

like you could have dimetrodon teutonis as a vivarium species but then dimetron grandis as an exhibit species

[fiery crow]

it doesn’t have to, it can be Terrestrial and be capable of climbing rocks

[coarse inlet]

Literally not what I was suggesting, see my earlier comment about an alpine vivarium

[shell sonnet]

Looks good

[fiery crow]

you can edit the terrain for vivariums to an extent right

I’m hoping we get the option to add climbing enrichment like rocks and whatnot

[coarse inlet]

Not in terms of elevation

But yeah I do hope we get more enrichment options like that

Maybe toggling between certain things in the same “slot”

[fiery crow]

like in PZ

[rigid spindle]

Ik animals can "climb" (teleport) onto the driftwood and basking rock

[feral cedar]

most of these would make awesome additions but Centrosaurus lost its chance when it wasn’t added as a Styracosaurus alt, same for Torosaurus being a Triceratops alt, and the animal you picture when thinking of Microceratus is now known as Graciliceratops

[coarse inlet]

That’s why adding new alts later would be nice

[shy vale]

yeah

like sinosauropteryx as a compsognathus alt, even though vivariaums can't get alts

[feral cedar]

ngl even though it is highly redundant I can admit Torosaurus is popular enough that I guess it gets a pass and could receive its own slot

[tulip umbra]

Id just wanna see Giraffatitan and see the difference between it and brachi

[feral cedar]

But if the devs want to they can give Styracosaurus a 4th skin and make that Centrosaurus

I think that’s efficient

[feral cedar]

Giraffatitan with Kentrosaurus, Elaphrosaurus, and Dysalotosaurus 🙏

Peak Tendaguru

Maybe Dicraeosaurus, which I find to be a compelling possibility for an alt genus for Amargasaurus

[shell sonnet]

Giraffatitan I do want to see because at least it does come from a different locality (amongst other reasons). But animals like Toro and Centro don't even pass that bar.

[shell sonnet]

Amarga deserves all three skins, no alts.

[feral cedar]

Centrosaurus is probably Styracosaurus' ancestor lol

[slim flare]

Crazy the other Lambeosaurus species had concept art but still wasn’t an alt 💔

[feral cedar]

Imagine we got a lambeosaurin trio the same way we got a parasaurolophin trio

Parasaurolophus walkeri/cyrtocristatus and Charonosaurus jiayinensis alt
Lambeosaurus lambei/magnicristatus and Corythosaurus casuarius alt

[slim flare]

I wish we got P. tubicens too tbh

[shy vale]

magnaupalia as an alt of lambeosaurus

and shantungosaurus as an alt of edmontosaurus

[feral cedar]

Shantungosaurus was the rightful alt genus of Edmontosaurus, not that Alaskan impostor

[shy vale]

that basically is like saurophaganax

[tulip umbra]

Tbh Corytho itself couldve been an alt to lambeo i feel

[mint creek]

https://tenor.com/view/this-user-true-true-gif-get-this-man-a-true-get-this-man-gif-15991766605167524344

[shy vale]

i mean there's the 2 species of paraceratherium and juxia

[rigid spindle]

Would it require a lot of work to turn that disgusting northern invader into shantungasaurus with a few edits?

[shy vale]

isn't that alaskan dinosaur just another edmontosaurus regalis/annectans?

[rigid spindle]

I think it was invalidated, yeah

[tulip umbra]

Nah

Pls let that be the first fan mod lol

[shy vale]

could cryolophosaurus be an alt for dilophosaurus or is that too much of a strech?

[tulip umbra]

Too much for sure

[shy vale]

fair enough

[tulip umbra]

Should at least be same family imo

[rigid spindle]

I would want cryo as its own genus anyways

So we can get all 3 skins

[shy vale]

but personally if i was adding therapods, i would add at least 1 metriocanthosaurid, 1 caenagnathid, 1 noasaur, and 1 unenlagiine

[tulip umbra]

Theri

[shy vale]

yep

also 1 therizinosaur and 1 megaraptoran

for sauropodomorphs, i think i would like at least 1 rebbachisaur, 1 dicraeosaur, 1 smaller macronarian (titanosaur/europasaurus), 1 mamenchisaur, 1 turiasaur (or at least 1 more basal eusauropod)

for ornithiscians, i think i would like at least 1 thescalosaurid, 1 parankylosaur, 1 silesaur (if they count as basal ornithiscians)

these i think are the bare minimum for me

[cosmic cosmos]

Paleophis and Hibbert are the two worst cases in can think of

[fiery crow]

how is Hibber a bad choice for vivariums? it’s huge sure but it fits in just fine.

[coarse inlet]

How

They are both not good for full habitats

[fiery crow]

I agree when it comes to Paleophis a little bit, it’d work as a fully aquatic species if we ever get them

[coarse inlet]

Not really

[fiery crow]

but Hibber should be fine for vivies

[coarse inlet]

Sea snakes mostly move like regular snakes

[alpine thicket]

Please Hibby for vivarium it's so cute

[fiery crow]

I don’t get the complaints people have when it comes to Arthropleura being a vivie either. yeah it’s big but what choice to the devs have when it comes to unique locomotion?

[cosmic cosmos]

Both would be infinitely better as full exhibits assuming we get proper semi movement with deinosuchus for Hibbert, and full aquatics for paleo

[eager thunder]

Ok what’s a hibby

[alpine thicket]

Hibbertopterus.

[eager thunder]

Ah

[coarse inlet]

We aren’t getting full semiaquatic movement until we get full aquatics

And once again

[eager thunder]

Ok yeah no Hibbertopterus. Should definitely not be a viv animal

[coarse inlet]

Palaeophis has all the same problems as a regular snake

[coarse inlet]

Why not

[fiery crow]

I wouldn’t want Jaekelopterus or Pterygotus as vivies personally. but Hibby, Megalograptus, Megarachne and Eurypterus should work for vivies.

[alpine thicket]

Also Arthropleura being a vivarium animal is probably how it'd be housed realistically anyway.

[eager thunder]

Because

Big

[alpine thicket]

That's not Hibby.

[coarse inlet]

That’s not Hibbertopterus

[eager thunder]

Wait

[cosmic cosmos]

No, sea snakes do not have clipping issues

[eager thunder]

Shit

[alpine thicket]

noclipping is the leading cause of death in ocean-going snakes actually

[eager thunder]

Ok this is still pretty big

[coarse inlet]

Yeah but not much bigger than Tiktaalik

[alpine thicket]

Realistically it'd be housed in a large vivarium.

[cosmic cosmos]

There is no terrain navigation on surfaces for animation nightmare like a terrestrial or semi snake

[coarse inlet]

That’s not the main issue with animating free moving snakes

[alpine thicket]

And there's not much it'd need to do that'd be restricted by that.

[shy vale]

megarachne, no offence, is too much of a glup shitto

[eager thunder]

That thing is too wide to move those vivs properly

[alpine thicket]

It's perfectly fine in the biggest one.

[fiery crow]

no it isn’t

[shy vale]

the only reason people care is because wwm portrayed it as a spider because the paper wasn't out at the time where it said it wasn't

[alpine thicket]

Also the biggest reason it'd need to be a vivarium animal is reproduction.

[cosmic cosmos]

Then what is

[fiery crow]

Eurypterus is the glupshitto if anything

[eager thunder]

I personally wouldn’t want every large but flat animal to arbitrarily be shoved in a viv

[shy vale]

but it's the namesake of the "eurypterids"

[eager thunder]

I’d much rather see animals like this roam bigger environments

[shy vale]

and there's a shitton of fossils

[alpine thicket]

I'd like a lot of non-viv aquatics but Hibby would probably need to be simply due to how it would likely have reproduced.

[coarse inlet]

The way they move! Their bodies are all over the place

[fiery crow]

something like Axestemys would probably need to be a vivie too because of how it moves on land
unless it was completely aquatic idk

Ichthyostega as a vivie?

[shy vale]

jaekelopterus is more deserving of a eurypterid

[eager thunder]

I’d like at least one giant arthropod that can move around an exhibit

[shy vale]

wouldn't that be a bit redundant with tiktaalik?

[cosmic cosmos]

What do you mean by this

[fiery crow]

…no? Ichthyostega had actual limbs and could probably walk on land. even if it wasn’t that great at it.

Acanthostega too would be nice.

[shy vale]

ok then

[fiery crow]

I’m just gonna say right now that just because something might be similar to something else doesn’t mean someone should or shouldn’t want it.

[shy vale]

fair enough

[ancient ibex]

Nah

[coarse inlet]

I mean that snakes do not have a consistent gait or posture. It’d be insanely hard to program this kind of movement dynamically

[eager thunder]

Cryo and Guan are absolutely goated choices

Assuming I’m correct about that

[ancient ibex]

That's Cryo vs Dilo

[cosmic cosmos]

Using the rigging methods for the tails on dinosaurs would be a starting point for this. It would also still need to be done whether in vivs or aquatic exhibits

[eager thunder]

Oh dang I didn’t realize they were that small

[shy vale]

i don't see there needs to be that huge difference in rigs?

[eager thunder]

Neato

[shy vale]

actually no i see there's major differences

[ancient ibex]

Tetanureans like Guanlong have massive hands versus Ceratosaurs and early theropods

[ancient ibex]

That's not a proper use of rig

[shy vale]

ah i see

anyway, guanlong could have a proceratosaurus alt?

[coarse inlet]

No because rigging isn’t the issue

[ancient ibex]

And literally a crestswap pretty much, they would be highly similar animals

[ancient ibex]

Oh yeah

[shy vale]

so we could have cryolophosaurus as an alt for dilophosaurus

[mint creek]

I think there's maybe an( unfair) trend for prehistoric animals to always trend to the largest so I think Jaekelopterus is probably the best eurypterid choice. It's just kind of got the biggest wow factor of the family.

[eager thunder]

It’s wild how the size of the JP Dilo completely ruined my perception of the size of these things

I’m constantly bewildered

[mint creek]

oh I didn't scroll down, did not notice the convo had moved on lmao

[shy vale]

proceratosaurus would go well with a megalosaurus alt for torvosaurus

also is it possible to do a cetiosaurus alt for camarasaurus or something like that?

[coarse inlet]

The issue is animating dynamic movements

[shy vale]

or maybe not?

[eager thunder]

I would like Megalosaurus for thematic reasons

[coarse inlet]

The choice is either to make it look unnaturally stiff, have it constantly clip into itself, or spend like 20x as much time and effort to animate and program

[mint creek]

Hell yeah

[coarse inlet]

No

They are not close or similar

[eager thunder]

Park that starts with 2 exhibits one iguanadon second megalo

That’s my dream park entrance

[mint creek]

Literally have thought the same thing lmao

[eager thunder]

Of course then I wouldn’t really be able to do the whole time period sections bit but it’d be worth it

[shy vale]

yeah i figured

but i was thinking of maybe kileskus as an alt for guanlong rather than proceratosaurus

[mint creek]

Theming a park based on our understanding and history of dinosaurs would be so sick man. Give me the crystal palace dinos as statues too.

[eager thunder]

Oooooooh yessssss

I can visualize that so damn well

[river perch]

a retrosaur decor set would be awesome

[quick ore]

Hibbert is fucking MADE to be a viv species and it would be amazing to see in game

[river perch]

maybe including a mural

[shy vale]

i actually think there should be a more basal sauropod (though more derived than plateosaurus) should be added into the game

[quick ore]

also, implementing however it would have reproduced would look weird

[shy vale]

cetiosaurus would fit with a megalosaurus alt for torvosaurus and iguanodon

as "the beginning of dinosauria" (in terms of being described as a group)

[eager thunder]

Might be a dumb question but do the crystal palace statues specifically have any sort of copyright on them?

[shy vale]

(oh, and also add dacenturus/miragaia)

[eager thunder]

Like their specific looks and poses or whatever

[shy vale]

also if we're getting gastonia/polacanthus, maybe hylaeosaurus as an alt

[plush nacelle]

Palaeophis is different

It can use mosasaur rig

[shy vale]

actually when it comes to some of the earliest dinosaur descriptions, iguanodon and megalosaurus gets the most attention

hylaeosaurus tends to be forgotten

[plush nacelle]

Based on vertebrae that snake was stiff for some reason

[shy vale]

actually what about mantellisaurus as an alt for iguanodon?

ok maybe that's too redundant

actually no, that may be more of an ouranosaurus alt, but even then istiorachis would be better

[shy vale]

yeah fair enough

[cosmic cosmos]

Also, the best snake movements I've seen in a video game used physics simulation, maybe alongside some level of animation (BoB paleophis)

[coarse inlet]

There’s no good alts for Iguanodon ironically

[shy vale]

actually what about cetiosauriscus?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetiosauriscus

[coarse inlet]

Still not a Camarasaurid

Which is probably the bare minimum for alt status

[outer oriole]

Alioramus

[coarse inlet]

The species we still need:
Saltasaurus
Kentrosaurus
Diplodocus hallorum
Metridiochoerus
Muraenosaurus
Kronosaurus

[eager thunder]

Isn’t krono a water thing

[cosmic cosmos]

yes

also, alot more species we need than just those

and why Muraenosaurus of all the plesiosaurs

[fiery crow]

we need Granastrapotherium

[quick ore]

I would rather Celebochoerus

[shell sonnet]

Nah, Skinnerhyus or Kubanochoerus

[fiery crow]

okay but Kubanochoeirus would be fire?

gimme the horned pig

[coarse inlet]

because this is a very specific list

oh and I forgot Eusmilus

[digital pendant]

i knew you were onto something

nice to see a fellow Paraworld enjoyer

[vast berry]

Stegotrabelodon should be added, more so for its close resemblance to the Mumakil in Lord of the Rings

https://tenor.com/view/mumakil-lord-of-the-rings-señor-de-los-anillos-elefante-oliphant-gif-11218788657197939002

[median glen]

I support that

[vast berry]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-with-dinosaurs-spirits-of-the-ice-forest-koolasuchus-river-antarctica-gif-2786475598555855609

We need this guy too

[vast berry]

Quite baffling as to why the Cave Hyena is STILL not on the roster, but the Cave Lion and Cave Bear are

[eager thunder]

Dire wolves

[vast berry]

I mean the Mammoth Steppe still feels incomplete

[eager thunder]

I mean I’d say it’s rather likely

Round out the cave animal trilogy

[vast berry]

This Youtuber called ExtinctZoo did a video on the giant Oligocene dolphin Ankylorhiza

Palaeoloxodon needs to be added at some point

If Pteranodon gets added along with aviaries:

Nigel would say:
"Why don't you hear a pteranodon going to the bathroom?"

[slim flare]

Ankylorhiza my beloved ❤️

[coarse inlet]

how is it baffling? Those two are way more well known by the public

[flint sable]

also arguably look more visually different

[smoky spear]

https://x.com/rlatkdwls/status/2011693046048624935

김상진 (@rlatkdwls)

X · Jan 15, 2026, 6:52 AM

[eager thunder]

For a second I thought that said Prankasaurus and thought “what prank could that thing pull off?”

[tulip umbra]

Do these squiggly fucks look to scale?

[feral cedar]

Are these reconstructions accurate? I’m pretty sure that based on known fossil material (or lack thereof) this Antarctopelta is conjectural

[open heron]

Kind of hard to tell with the poses. (Can't really be helped since that's just how snakes often are but still.)

[left spear]

Lenght wise atleast they seem fine