Community Species Suggestions

[peak hazel]

dare I say
hundreds of them

[digital pendant]

casto isnt even a beaver lol

[peak hazel]

close enough

[digital pendant]

its just a giant muskrat

[tulip umbra]

Phoberomys my beloved

[digital pendant]

phoberomys is cool

[fiery crow]

I think I should move onto the Paleozoic stuff now

[digital pendant]

its a big aquatic chinchilla

[fiery crow]

this one’s probably gonna be a bit debatable

[fresh ember]

They're not in the same family?

[tulip umbra]

They are, it just dont look like one

[fresh ember]

Fair.

[tulip umbra]

No paddle tail

[coarse inlet]

Or act like one

It ate softer plants and didn’t build dams

[digital pendant]

yeah its related but had an ecology more like other aquatic rodents

[fresh ember]

Either way, I'm personally more towards Castoro partly due to name recognition. Especially seeing as it's one you could pronounce.

[quick ore]

even besides rodents

I think oreodonts can work as capy-likes

[digital pendant]

its definitely quite an unique animal

is just not a giant beaver at all

[fresh ember]

Yeah, I get that. I just misinterpreted the comment and thought "wait, was there a study that came out?"

[fiery crow]

Edapho and Inostrancevia are musts imo

[tulip umbra]

Dang i havent heard that name in a long time, didnt it get renamed or smthg?

[fresh ember]

I was thinking in a taxonomic sense for both it and the other guy.

[shell sonnet]

Merycoidodontoid

[fresh ember]

As unlikely as it is, I'd like to see Lycaenops as an Ino alt.

[left spear]

You know Who to add

[tulip umbra]

Ah yes, much better ha ha ha

[fresh ember]

Estemmenosuchus is also a must-have.

[peak hazel]

true...

[shell sonnet]

I prefer "cookie teeth" myself

[peak hazel]

maybe an Archosaur of some sorts as well?

[shell sonnet]

Nah

The good ones don't really show up until the Triassic

[left spear]

There aren't any 100% comfirmed archosaurs in the permian either

[shell sonnet]

Actually

Archosaurus is

[left spear]

And if you want a basal archosaur go for Antarctanax

[fresh ember]

Actually, would Lycaenops just barely clear the minimal size requirement for habitat species?

[fiery crow]

that was easy

[peak hazel]

yeah thats good

[shell sonnet]

Missing Scutosaurus

Take out Jonkeria

[peak hazel]

scuto and priono would be good

[left spear]

I'd say so

It's just short

[fiery crow]

Priono was fully aquatic though wasn’t it

[left spear]

Besides """"Mammalian""" babies are big

[fiery crow]

it couldn’t move well on land from everything I read

[coarse inlet]

Yeah

[left spear]

The bigger estimate ones probably were

I'm talking the hypothetical 7 meter giants

[fresh ember]

Do we even know anything on Therapsid reproduction?

[shell sonnet]

Yes

[fiery crow]

my biases got in the way. same thing that happened with Coryphodon.

[left spear]

Either way it was the saltwater amphibian

Make It an aquatic that can go on land

[tulip umbra]

Egg

[fiery crow]

non-dino Mesozoic stuff is up. my bias for Triassic stuff is probably gonna get in my way.

[shell sonnet]

We know that if one stuck it's thing in the other...

[peak hazel]

oh yeah

[shy vale]

too many synapsids for the paleozoic

[tulip umbra]

I thought the storks brought the eggs to the therapsids

[left spear]

Priono was probably like a Nothosaurid

Sure It can go on land but it's mostly aquatic

Much more so than a crocodile

It just fits better as a semi-terrestrial rather than a semi-aquatic

[limber needle]

gorgonops would be a better pick

[tulip umbra]

Would it tho

[fresh ember]

I mean as an alt for Inostrancevia.

[fresh ember]

Ah.

I keep forgetting it's a small thing.

[left spear]

"Gorgonopsid" did a lot of damage to Gorgonops

[fiery crow]

probably a bit early

[tulip umbra]

Rubidgea on top

[shell sonnet]

There are big ones from South Africa but they're not as well known (and I think less complete)

[limber needle]

then rubidegia or dinogorgon is a petter pick

[fresh ember]

I personally don't see much point in Rubid if Ino gets added instead.

[left spear]

Shringasaurus sweep

[fiery crow]

how big was Repenomamus? if it works better as a vivie I’ll probably wait for pineapple to post his take on vivies.

[fresh ember]

I suggested Lycaenops for the size specifically, like Juxia with Paraceratherium.

[limber needle]

anteosaurus with a titanophoneus alt is a better idea anyway

[left spear]

Or Barina/Sebecus for a hypothetical more similar example

[shell sonnet]

I'd say it's vivarium

[tulip umbra]

Deinos better species are riograden whatever and rugosus

[plush nacelle]

Pointless as vivarium

No fun, if it cant murder baby dinos

[left spear]

Thats like saying Majunga is pointless before combat

[fresh ember]

Even if that fossil was forged, have you seen the kind of things weasels would dare to take?

[plush nacelle]

This why it should be exhibit animal

Devs can upsize it, if necessary

[fiery crow]

I’d prefer if they didn’t honestly

I prefer accuracy

[tulip umbra]

Repeno is viv

Fight me

[fiery crow]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[shy vale]

should drepanosaurus, if it's a vivarium species, have stuff sticking out its back?

because longisquama and mirasaura have them?

[shell sonnet]

We don't know

At the moment, no but there's supposedly a paper in the works

[plush nacelle]

I wont. I know Mau understand what makes repenomamus appealing

[fiery crow]

only debating on replacing Sillo so far

[shell sonnet]

Just like Cotylor

[left spear]

Big Sillo is like a vertebrae btw

[fiery crow]

that’s why I’m debating on replacing it

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, Lotosaurus would be better

[left spear]

Honestly

Habrosaurus

[shell sonnet]

for a Poposauroid

[left spear]

Give me my normal kingdom

[fiery crow]

large vivie would be best for it

[shy vale]

i would've added colossosuchus

[left spear]

Oh right this doesn't included vivs

[shy vale]

or champsosaurus

[shell sonnet]

Actually, I think it could medium even

[tough marsh]

yeah theres ino

[left spear]

Koolasuchus

[fiery crow]

like I said before I’m not gonna do vivies ‘cuz I’m waiting to see if pineapple will do his own take on vivies or not

[shy vale]

also a vivarium species could be an albanerpetontid

they only went extinct in the pleistocene?!

[left spear]

A single one sure

Then 2 on big

Sirens are very territorial

[fiery crow]

shit that’s tricky cuz Mastodonsaurus is right there. but Koola is so cool too.

[left spear]

Both

They're very different

We have infinitely more similar theropods

[fiery crow]

just one more left

[shell sonnet]

I mean we are talking about alts for Ino

[tough marsh]

oh

uh

you can only really do russian clade stuff

[fiery crow]

prehistoric crocs are so underrated they deserve more love

[tough marsh]

So ino

[shell sonnet]

Oh

[shy vale]

is a phytosaur a good idea?

[tough marsh]

the other clades have different body plans from ino

[shy vale]

or what about tanyostropheus?

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, Smilosuchus works

[left spear]

Phyto seems a good choice

[fiery crow]

and that’s all of them

[shy vale]

but colossosuchus is larger and there's indian representation

[tulip umbra]

Whats the list?

[fiery crow]

might just replace Loto with Smilosuchus

[left spear]

Otherwise there's only Deino and Ambulo on the croc niche

And ig Kool

[fiery crow]

the one I’m working on?

[shell sonnet]

non-dino mesozoic

[fiery crow]

ye

[left spear]

Oh Posto wasn't there lmao

[shy vale]

what about choristoderes?

[fiery crow]

Champso Hyphalo and Ctenio all work for vivies tbh

the only one that would work as a full habitat is Kosmodraco and it’s from the Paleocene

[shy vale]

fair enough

[fiery crow]

should I replace Loto with Smilosuchus?

[tulip umbra]

Take ur pick

[fiery crow]

Posto doesn’t really fit the “big croc” role since it was fully terrestrial

[tulip umbra]

Yes

[shy vale]

i would also want an albanerpetontid as a vivarium species

[plush nacelle]

I would take basilemys

[shell sonnet]

No

Better to replace either Mastodonosaurus or Koolasuchus (as hard as that is)

[tulip umbra]

Id even take arizona over loto tbh

[shy vale]

i think turtles should be saved as part of cenozoic stuff, such as stupendemys and peltocephalus maturin

[fiery crow]

TRUE

[shell sonnet]

Loto is a herbivore, that makes it more interesting

[tulip umbra]

Idc

[fiery crow]

I’ll replace Koola with Smilo because Mastodon already fits the “big amphibian” role

[plush nacelle]

But this one was terrestrial, which is something interisting for mesozoic turtle

[fiery crow]

Basilemys would work as a vivie

[shy vale]

if we're going to have barinasuchus in the cenozoic, do we really need baurusuchus?

[fiery crow]

the only other terrestrial croc from the Mesozoic that I can think of is Armadillosuchus, terrestrial crocs needs as much love as they can get

I’m probably gonna leave non-dino Mesozoic as it is and come back to it later

[quick ore]

yeah I think the one that should get added is Promerycochoerus

[plush nacelle]

It was this big

[tulip umbra]

Which one lol

[plush nacelle]

Right top

[tulip umbra]

Too blurry

[plush nacelle]

I like the idea of turtle this big walking around late cretaceous forests

[quick ore]

Armadillosuchus is a weak choice

especially considering its most notable feature would have been hidden from view

rendering its appearance not that striking

[shell sonnet]

?

[fiery crow]

this good?

[shell sonnet]

Where's the Moa?

[fiery crow]

Warrah, Quagga, Bluebuck, Dodo and Thylacine

there’s so many of these to choose from

I guess I could replace the Warrah

[quick ore]

no Moa???

[fiery crow]

or the Dodo can be a vivie

[quick ore]

also, seeing zero Madagascar rep is sad

[fiery crow]

South Island Moa or North Island Moa?

[shell sonnet]

Both, but preferably North

[slim flare]

Aurochs over bluebuck

[fiery crow]

replacing the Warrah with the Moa then

[quick ore]

I'll be honest

I don't get the hype over the Bluebuck

[fiery crow]

Synthetoceras is already doing good enough in its place

[quick ore]

I understand that Quagga's have an iconic look to them and Bluebucks were in ZT2 too, but it's more or less just another antelope.

[fiery crow]

so here’s the final Recently Extinct list

[quick ore]

there's recently extinct species with much more interesting bauplans that would add more diversity to the game too

[shell sonnet]

We also don't have any antelopes

[quick ore]

solid, I think good viv options would be the passenger pigeon, pig-footed bandicoot, and/or broad billed parrot

[quick ore]

is that really a bad thing when the game most similar to this one is antelope city

[fiery crow]

#1360542295228944414 message
but I will keep that in mind

[fiery crow]

oh my god that’s one of the biggest complaints I have with Planet Zoo

[shell sonnet]

Yes, because they are not the same game

[tulip umbra]

Give me 10 antilope species and ill be happy

[quick ore]

They are similar enough that it would do more for this game to have species that fill the role of antelopes without actually being them, of which there are multitudes of options

to highlight how distinct it is

and give recognition to said species and groups

plus, if the aurochs is being added in RE already that would mean 2 of the slots are bovids

[fiery crow]

here’s the whole thing
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1N_azQ8FNPaXpsmLRkYY91z7xRGvhAFM7JX0F_z88b-8/edit?usp=drivesdk

I’ll let you guys commentate on it so I can know what to fix or edit

[cinder token]

I really want a mesonychid in there, but don’t know how to fit it in.

[fiery crow]

I’ve been thinking on adding Mesonyx but what I have right now is good enough I feel when it comes to Cenozoics

either Mesonyx Sinonyx or Mongolestes

[tulip umbra]

I gotta get my daily suggestion in, its an underwhelming one to many but im pretty sure its never been mentioned once

[fiery crow]

lets goooo

these are always peak

[tulip umbra]

Jan 13th, Pavo Bravardi. Its fossils have been found all around Europe from the Early to Late Pliocene, indicating that peafowl were once more widespread than today. Honestly, it is not that much different from the largest modern species, being only a little bigger and robust. This animals true value lies in its near ubiquitous presence in modern zoos and its skin potential. While at first many people might find this an underwhelming addition, if the devs are creative with this huge blank canvas of an animal, it has potential to really shine. The skins depicted here are all yellow, this seems to be a case where artist copied from each other.

[fiery crow]

honestly this isn’t underwhelming at all. it looks pretty cool.

anyways time for my daily suggestion

Mongolestes hadrodens, a mesonychid from early Oligocene Mongolia. Unlike other mesonychids, it had very large teeth and a steeper mandibular symphysis.

There are cooler mesonychids out there, but I think I’d prefer Mongolestes the most.

[ancient ibex]

Castoroides is AFAIK a member of Castoridae, so a beaver?

Ah got the rest, sorry

[fiery crow]

actual question
what’s the song it goes hard

[peak hazel]

I don't know and it always bugs me

[fiery crow]

A Minor Point by Catch-22

[peak hazel]

good to know

[eager thunder]

Does this count the confirmed Utahs Carnos and such?

[shell sonnet]

Yes, they're part of the 15

[toxic oriole]

The peafowl

The boreal peafowl

[eager thunder]

Kewl

[fiery crow]

so from this, what would you have the amount of vivarium animals as? ten for each type (Terrestrial, Amphibious, and Arboreal)?

[shell sonnet]

That works, yeah.

[eager thunder]

What’s already been hard confirmed again?

[fiery crow]

alright
time to work my magic again

[eager thunder]

Bos and some other shit

[shell sonnet]

That's not in game? Bary, Utah and Carnotaurus

[eager thunder]

And Bos

[shell sonnet]

I don't count Bos because it's a post-ea idea. No guarantees.

[eager thunder]

Oh

So just the 3 then

[toxic oriole]

As for the DLC? Some soft confirmed ones

[eager thunder]

I feel like Pachy is a safe enough bet tho right ?

[toxic oriole]

The moa being one of them, or the elephant bird

[eager thunder]

I know about recently extinct and such

[toxic oriole]

I don't remember which one

[shell sonnet]

I'd say so, but it's not confirmed is the big thing.

[eager thunder]

Dodos and the like

[toxic oriole]

Might be both of them

[shell sonnet]

They've talked about the Moa and Quagga (wild horse in general) but again, post-ea stuff.

Also Dimetrodon.

[eager thunder]

It feels weird for the Dime not to be in EA

Feels like once of those iconic extinct animals

[shell sonnet]

Feel like Dimetrodon's stock has gone down because of Spino. People can't keep more than one sailed animal in their heads.

[eager thunder]

Sad cause it’s probably the only Permian animal most people can name

[fiery crow]

here’s Amphibious so far

trying to get an even mix of amphibians, birds, reptiles, fish, and invertebrates for each of them

[shell sonnet]

I'll be blunt, I don't know how to count Titanoboa given it's going to be mixed.

[fiery crow]

I put it in the Terrestrial for now

[shell sonnet]

Probably going to want either Ichthyornis or Halszkaraptor

[eager thunder]

Is Therizino a theropod or some other thing?

[shell sonnet]

Yes

[eager thunder]

Right so potentially potentially

I can’t deny the coolness of that thing

Having a Deinonychus as a middle ground between Utahs and Raptors would be neat

[fiery crow]

about. one more slot left.
Ichthyornis (for me) works more as an Arboreal.

[shell sonnet]

Ichthyornis is a seabird though

It doesn't really work in a tree setting; plus we have a lot of flying dinos there.

[quick ore]

why not Indohyus?

[fiery crow]

in that case. that’s just about everything.

[shell sonnet]

I think there's the question about how semi-aquatic it is

[quick ore]

Wikipedia says they had hippo like bones

[fiery crow]

I don’t wanna remove Tanytrachelos because I’m trying to find a species that would be able to fit in a Box-size Amphibious vivarium sans Sahona, one that couldn’t fit in a Box but fit in a Small Amphibious vivarium
so on and so forth
Tany would fit in a Box methinks

[quick ore]

wait wait

why not this species instead?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khirtharia

[fiery crow]

Gnatu and Hibber would both be Large-onlys, methinks

this is a LOT more tricky than I thought

I’ll leave it as it is and move onto Arboreal

[shell sonnet]

Castorocuda is about 40 cm in length. I think it works in a 4x4 m box.

[fiery crow]

that’s fair

final count then

[shell sonnet]

Best to replace Anurognathus with Jeholopterus ninchengensis
Best to include Ectopistes migratorius

[fiery crow]

final count

might just replace Jehelornis with either Falcatakely or Petrolacosaurus so I can have a non-flying lizard

[shell sonnet]

Better to go with Drepano if that's the case

[fiery crow]

yeah that’s what I did

time for the Terrestrial

[shell sonnet]

Arthropleura

[fiery crow]

and that’s all she wrote

[dawn flame]

No Hylonomus or Longisquama or anything like that?

oh and ofc Thrinaxodon

[fiery crow]

it’s tricky cuz I was trying to stay at a limit of ten each

[dawn flame]

I really hope we also get Anurognathus or Jeholopterus for the large arboreal vivariums, just so we have at least 1 pterosaur 🥺

Platyhystrix is a great idea for Vivariums btw, i never thought abt that

[quick ore]

imo if the game is only going to ever get a single pterosaur and it has to be small enough for vivariums the species shouldn't be an anurognathid; it should be Pterodactylus

[dawn flame]

would that be too big do you think? It would realistically need a lot of space to fly compared to the current arboreal species (Microraptor & Yi) which were primarily tree dwelling gliders

side note but if pterosaurs are ever added i hope they do either Pteredaustro or Nyctosaurus, those r my favs ❤️

[quick ore]

the adult is green

[dawn flame]

Ye i just looked at this, not too big to fit necessarily but i imagine they flew around a lot. A small Vivarium like that could be cramped but maybe it could still work

would be very happy if it was added still

[quick ore]

I'm not sure, wouldn't they have just been like shorebirds?

[fiery crow]

I’m always surprised at how tiny Pterodactylus actually is

I thought it was way bigger

[quick ore]

I feel like almost everyone thinks it was bigger

[ancient ibex]

Pteranodon bleeding into it plays a factor I believe

[quick ore]

true

[shy vale]

isn't pterodactylus related to those filter-feeding ones?

though it itself isn't a filter feeder

[slender tangle]

If we ever get any more ice age mammals, I think Toxodon or Mixotoxodon would be a good addition

Bringing them to the game would be a great homage to Prehistoric Park

[feral cedar]

insinuating Giraffatitan over Brachiosaurus? That’s new

[wary nacelle]

Scleromochlus taylori too

My little guy

Favorite little guy

[shell sonnet]

No, that's how I've felt for ages.

[tulip umbra]

Need some advice, im revising my scale charts, im adding a relative extant animal for comparison. Which ones should i pick?

[shell sonnet]

Are you trying to compare with something that's big or regular.

[tulip umbra]

Im deciding on the most “popular” (well known) modern animal or the biggest

For artropods ive already ruled out the japanese spider crab as there is no space for it

[fiery crow]

Galapagos Giant Tortoise/Leatherback Sea Turtle for the turtles one

[shell sonnet]

Like Leatherback sea turtle and one of the Galapagos giant tortoises would work but so would the green sea turtle and the alligator snapping turtle

[tulip umbra]

Im keeping it to only one unfortunately, space constraints and all

[fiery crow]

Manta Ray for the rays one

[tulip umbra]

So like either the common sea turtle, leatherback or galapagos toroise not sure which

[shell sonnet]

You could always make the living ones silhouttes in the background

[fiery crow]

I remember on the old turtles scale chart you had an icon for which ones would work as vivies or not, are you going to do that for the rays and arthropods ones too or

[tulip umbra]

The other option is have in mind is the giant freshwater stingray

[fiery crow]

that’s another suggestion I had

freaky but weirdly cute thing

[tulip umbra]

Not sure, doesnt make much sense in their cases specifically at least the arthropods

[fiery crow]

fair

[tulip umbra]

Also which axestemys species is best?

[fiery crow]

bysinna, it’s the most complete

[shell sonnet]

splendida because it messed up Dakotaraptor

[tulip umbra]

Im gonna have to remove the big aetobatus maybe

[fiery crow]

it’s purely speculatory so
yea

[shell sonnet]

It's based on teeth that don't exist anymore

It has Maraapunisaurus written all over it

[tulip umbra]

Yea i added it for clarification was always on the fence abt its addition

[tulip umbra]

Most complicated rabbit hole i went thru, even translated a spanish paper to english to find out what it was all abt

[shell sonnet]

I feel ya, I had to jump thru some german papers just to dig up more on Weigeltisaurus

[tulip umbra]

Goliath bird eater for arthropods? Feels like best option given the space available

[fiery crow]

sure

[shell sonnet]

Either that or an Atlas moth

[fiery crow]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZfiEqI4ui2A_lQEbdCABHExc0dRRcTcDrl6jh13DOIQ/edit?usp=drivesdk

[fiery crow]

if you’re gonna do another one of these in the future, can I recommend either squamates or crocodilians?

[tulip umbra]

Sure when the time comes ill ppl know, though crocodilians are… scary. Idk how im gonna get all that on one page

Prob have to split it in land and water perhaps

[fiery crow]

that’s fair

[tulip umbra]

For now im feeling,
Moluscs - cephalopods, gastropods, bivalves etc
Water birds - storks, hespero, swans, flamingo, penguins, …
Squamates - lizards and look alikes, snakes

[open heron]

where would you draw the line with the water birds section?

[tulip umbra]

Wym?

[open heron]

aves? avialae? paravians?

[tulip umbra]

Any bird or bird like animal, with a lot of relation to water kinda feels based really

Like my turtles also got placodonts in there ykwim

Doing entirety of birds is def too much for one page

[open heron]

so would austroraptor and other unenlagids qualify?
definitely bird adjacent, certainly much birdier than a placodont is turtley.

[tulip umbra]

I think ill draw the line at euornithes

[fiery crow]

maybe amphibians too?

[tulip umbra]

Ooo maybe, if theres space. Didnt think of combining them but perhaps if space allows for it

Arthropods was definitely pushing it

[fiery crow]

I’d love to work with you on any of these if possible and give you some suggestions

[tulip umbra]

For now im just revising turtles as u can see

I really just do this whenever i feel like tbh

[fiery crow]

alr

[coarse inlet]

would Hesperosaurus work as a stego alt? I feel like it probably would

[fiery crow]

anybody for Myotragus as a vivie? I think it’d work

[vast berry]

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-planet-2-badlands-2023-bbc-nature-documentary-rajasaurus-narmadensis-gif-3817699347805581745

[autumn plover]

Got to love the old “let’s post an image/gif with no context” format of suggestion

[vast berry]

It's Rajasaurus, that should be on the roster

[median glen]

Thank god we have the terraforming tool in order to create those really big lakes manually

Habitat size is not really a issue, I bet an argentinosaur would need a way big roaming area in reality than it currently say It needs in game

Whales and mosasaurs being added one day yes and please 🙏

[peak hazel]

Livyathan not being there is surprising

[vast berry]

Both the Basilosaurus and Dorudon were seen in 'Walking With Beasts', and Odobenocetops was featured in 'Sea Monsters'

If I wanted to get literal, then God-inotia would also be featured

[peak hazel]

I'm sure you've posted this one before

[vast berry]

I have; just reminding you where I placed Livyatan melvilli

[deep lake]

20 cm animal is big enough for a vivarium tbh

[deep lake]

y e s

[vast berry]

Best paleo-media appearance of Pachyrhinosaurus?

https://tenor.com/view/walking-with-dinosaurs-walking-with-dinosaurs-movie-patchi-pachyrhinosaurus-gif-27668608

https://tenor.com/view/dinosaur-disney's-dinosaur-disney-dinosaur-disney-pachyrhinosaurus-gif-420694619279603243

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-planet-kaperoo-pachyrhinosaurus-david-attenborough-hans-zimmer-gif-25467895

[vast berry]

Ankylorhiza was a large toothed whale from the Oligocene that lived in South Carolina, and was terrifiying

https://tenor.com/view/basilosaurus-close-up-wlaking-with-beasts-eocene-eoceno-gif-11694647

[peak hazel]

isn't that Basilosaurus

[vast berry]

The idea's the same; Paleogene whales were nightmare fuel, with some exceptions

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-shaggy-scared-fear-frightened-gif-14678409

[sharp dock]

wheres cotylorhynchus

[vast berry]

Never knew it existed
I went with the ones I'm familiar with

[sharp dock]

yet you somehow know oksoko

[quick ore]

this isn't really the channel for that question

[quick ore]

replace Balaur with Vasuki or Wonambi

[desert flame]

"I think this is a well-balanced good list of animals.

[fiery crow]

Blue Meridian would be FOOLS not to hire me!! fools I tell you!!

[desert flame]

Quetzalcoatlus will be the centerpiece of the large Flying Animals pack.

[shell sonnet]

Quezta would make more sense as part of the initial flyer dlc.

[eager thunder]

I’d hope the system could handle such a big ass thing

Whatever the system ends up being

[shell sonnet]

I doubt that would be a problem

If they can get flyers work, then it should be fine

[eager thunder]

I can certainly imagine something like that clipping like hell on stuff

[coarse inlet]

I mean it's not like the JWE version which is 4 times the size of the real thing

[fiery crow]

I’m hoping we get free-moving fliers and aquatics

the vivies are nice and all but I feel like doing the same thing for fliers and aquatics would be a bit more boring

[eager thunder]

It’s still safely the size a giraffe isn’t it?

[lean hound]

I imagine large Azdarchids might have big navigation needs

[fiery crow]

Paraceratherium and Argentinosaurus tho

[eager thunder]

I mean the animals currently as good as they tend to be still clip into objects a bit

[eager thunder]

I mean they aren’t flying around in stuff

[fiery crow]

they’re bigger

[eager thunder]

That gives them the whole Z axis to potentially clip into

The Quetz is still pretty frigin big ain’t it?

Like Giraffes aren’t to impressive next to the beasts of old but this is essentially a flying giraffe

[shell sonnet]

It's big but I also imagine that Quetza doesn't need to fly as much as say Pterandon

[eager thunder]

You know for a second I’d completely forgotten those things could’ve just mainly walked around

[lean hound]

The largest giraffe species is roughly similar to pk's paracera in height

Maybe a bit taller

Not completely sure

[shell sonnet]

It depends if they're wearing shoes

[desert flame]

"Personally, I think the first flyer DLC should have the following content

Pteranodon
Quetzalcoatlus
Tapejara
Nyctosaurus
Pterodaustra

a list centered on pterosaurs

[shell sonnet]

I think the first flyer DLC should include at least one large bird

Pelagornis or Argentavis or Teratornis

[fresh ember]

Wasn't it suggested that flyers and marine life would be straight-up expansion packs?

[shell sonnet]

I don't think there's much difference

besides price

[fresh ember]

Well, you could probably get away with a bigger roster.

[shell sonnet]

Maybe, the time it takes to add new mechanics including rigs could mean the animal count doesn't change

[plush nacelle]

Dunno. Largest giraffe species is freaking tall - 5.8m tall is the record

[desert flame]

If it's a large bird, I'd put Argentavis on the list.

[fresh ember]

Counterpoint: Masai giraffes are featured in plenty of zoos.

[coarse inlet]

yes but with some free animals dropped at the same time

[fresh ember]

That works.

[plush nacelle]

I was thinking whether paraceratherium is taller than largest giraffe

[shell sonnet]

Thinking about flyers, I think they should use a different system to calculate ratings. The current one is based on mass but that doesn't work here because most of these animals are light weight. Maybe base it on wingspan or something.

[true pivot]

I was catching up on the Dinosaur Sanctuary manga (devs please give us an island map so I can remake Enoshima Dinoland) and they had a Pterodaustro enclosure that looks awful similar to flamingo and penguin exhibits. Think that could work as a vivarium in PK with them wading around and only occasionally flying?

[shell sonnet]

That animal is too big for the vivarium

If we get free range flyers, then Pterodaustro should be one of them

[plush nacelle]

What a freak

[true pivot]

Gotcha. I know the vivarium system accounts for lifestyle and size so I thought a more terrestrial pterosaur could work. Ah well

[shell sonnet]

Dimorphodon would work for the vivarium; it didn't fly much and it's not particularly big

[desert flame]

Pterosaurs that could be exhibited in the Vivarium would likely be small species such as Anurognathus and Dimorphodon.

[fiery crow]

Peteinosaurus?

[true pivot]

Oh yeah! I remember reading Mark Witton's blog about Dimorphodon being more of a reluctant flier

[lean hound]

It's such a cool little critter

[desert flame]

yes

[shell sonnet]

Pterorhynchus, Pterodactylus, and Jeholopterus would be my other top choices for vivarium pterosaurs

[plush nacelle]

Kunpengopterus sweep

[fiery crow]

why not Rhampho? it was fairly small

[shell sonnet]

No, that one is too big

[true pivot]

What do we think Dimorphodon's diet was like? Bugs?

[fiery crow]

it’s not that big dude

[fiery crow]

oh it is too big

[fresh ember]

Small vertebrates like lizards, mammals and frogs.

[shell sonnet]

The answer is fish

[fresh ember]

Teeth weren't suited for arthropods.

[shell sonnet]

JWE told me

[plush nacelle]

Monkedactyl

[true pivot]

Do we think Miragaia could return to PK? I remember it was in an older trailer. Stegosauria is a great opportunity for diversifying the roster imo

[hollow flower]

Of course

[shell sonnet]

A long-neck stegosaur from Europe? Maybe depending on game success. Under the Miragaia name? That's actually harder to answer.

[desert flame]

In recent years, there has been a theory that Miragaia is a synonym of Kentrosaurus, so if it were added, it might become an alt for Kentrosaurus.

[peak hazel]

not kentro

[coarse inlet]

Probably Miragaia

[shell sonnet]

Dacentrurus

[coarse inlet]

Kentrosaurus might be a dacentrurine

[shell sonnet]

And it's not a new thing, it's been going on for at least a decade

[hollow flower]

Me personally id prefer it under the name Miragaia over Dacentrurus

[plush nacelle]

If you guys remember that one poll from few days ago

[peak hazel]

no

[plush nacelle]

Mau choices were: megatherium, dacentrurus, yutyrannus, diplodocus, ceratosaurus and daeodon

For old roster species he would like to bring back

[peak hazel]

imagine they're all somehow before ea ends

[fresh ember]

I doubt that'd be all of them, more like those that would have higher priority if anything.

[shell sonnet]

which would be weird given none of them have side spikes and Kent doesn't have a notably large neck (I know longocullum is the only one we've found the neck of)

[desert flame]

Personally, I'd like to see Megatherium and Daeodon return because I'd like to see more mammals.
As for dinosaurs, I'd like to see Yutyrannus and Dacentrurus.

[hollow flower]

I fiend for Daeodon and Hyaenodon

But Megatherium makes more sense currently

As for Dinosaurs id like to see Cerato and Dippy first

[true pivot]

I yearn for sloths. Would love to kick that door down

[fiery crow]

I don’t remember that

[peak hazel]

its not a good game until I can 100% accurately recreate ice age

[fiery crow]

when wazzit

[shell sonnet]

Megatherium not coming would reflect poorly on the devs. I'd probably prevent Mau from getting any sleep until he signed an affidavit saying he'd spent every waking hour working on it.

[peak hazel]

megatherium feels like an obvious ea inclusion

theres one even more obvious though

[desert flame]

I hope Megatherium is added in U19.

[fiery crow]

Doedicurus? because dazza must

[coarse inlet]

Yeah it’d be weird but that is a result that has come up

[peak hazel]

doed also is yes

Erythrosuchus would also be funny because its just the opposite of coty

[shell sonnet]

It really isn't though

[desert flame]

I'm looking forward to Doedicurus, of course.
The giant Cenozoic armadillo is amazing.

[fiery crow]

song is A Minor Point by Catch-22 btw

[peak hazel]

its got an obnoxiously large head it counts

[fiery crow]

for even more opposites:

• Cotylorhynchus was a herbivore
• Erythrosuchus was a carnivore

[coarse inlet]

Also reptile vs synapsid

[eager thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/cotylorhynchus-my-beloved-beloved-dinosaur-reptile-gif-22077496

[dawn flame]

yeah i figure something similar, so i assume they would need a lot of flying space

[coarse inlet]

At the Monterey Bay aquarium there are shorebirds of that size kept in an aviary about the same size as a large vivarium

[dawn flame]

Really? How do they fare

[coarse inlet]

They seem fine, the aquarium has a good reputation so I doubt they’re miserable

[dawn flame]

maybe your pterodactylus idea could work @quick ore i would rlly love to see that (just any pterosaur honestly i love them sm it's so sad we don't have any yet)

[coarse inlet]

12 x 16 meters is a big space

[eager thunder]

Random bad idea, would have modern endangered animals be appropriate? Like in a sort of “we must take care not to repeat the mistakes of the past” kinda thing? Not officially but a mod or something

[shell sonnet]

I think Pterodactylus would work fine with the two biggest vivariums

[coarse inlet]

No

I wonder what vivarium an animal with a shorebird type ecology would need

Because the semiaquatic one is mostly deep water

It might require another type of vivarium or maybe a new enrichment item for the terrestrial vivarium to add some shallow water

[shell sonnet]

Maybe the semi-aquatic one allows you to adjust the water height

[coarse inlet]

That’d be a lot of work

[shell sonnet]

Be like two or three stages

[coarse inlet]

Easier to just make a new Vivarium type probably

[eager thunder]

I apologize for bad ideas

[coarse inlet]

Look I’m barely interested in recently extinct stuff tbh

[eager thunder]

So it’s a personal taste then

[shell sonnet]

Pretty much everything is

[lean hound]

I don't really mind, but in pk lore Northern White Rhinos are extinct..☹️

[coarse inlet]

Honestly I would like to see a few new Vivarium types: Wading, Alpine, Benthic, Reef, and Open Water

[eager thunder]

I still don’t really understand the explanation of why they can’t bring those back

[coarse inlet]

There’s a clear Doylist reason, it’d feel like downplaying a real tragedy

[limber needle]

yk what they put condors in? yeah like that but like 5 acres

[eager thunder]

Also were they ever actually stated to be extinct in universe or was it stated as a preservation attempt?

[lean hound]

extinct

[coarse inlet]

Given that they probably didn’t fly around a lot you probably don’t need THAT much space

[eager thunder]

Damn

[eager thunder]

Like
Damn

[coarse inlet]

Like I do think people are overestimating how much these animals need to fly around

[eager thunder]

I wonder what year this is supposed to be

[quick ore]

I mean, I really don't care about what fans decide to make as mods, but officially we absolutely should not

[coarse inlet]

Give them enough space to stretch their wings and fly a bit and they’ll probably be happy

[lean hound]

2030s maybe?

[coarse inlet]

Condor enclosures don’t have huge areas for soaring

[eager thunder]

I realize I might’ve confused something

I didn’t mean kill them in universe either just have them in the zoo while not making them extinct in universe

[coarse inlet]

They have enough space for them to fly from tree to tree and they’re fine with that

[eager thunder]

Like a endanger exhibit with endangered non extinct animals

Hypothetically

[quick ore]

yeah I understood what you meant

[coarse inlet]

Yeah that just feels way outside the scope of this game

[alpine thicket]

I don't think the game should have any extant animals at all.

[quick ore]

and I still strongly disagree

[coarse inlet]

That’s just Planet Zoo

[shell sonnet]

I can still imagine Quezta and other large Azhdarchoids needing Rex sized exhibits for the sake of gameplay and balance.

[tulip umbra]

Id much rather have extinct equivalents of modern animals

[quick ore]

again, every animal that the devs decide to work on and put into the game uses resources that could have gone to making something else, and the work that the devs put into the game is finite

[coarse inlet]

Yeah, that seems reasonable given their cursorial adaptations as well

[quick ore]

There is zero reason to ever dedicate dev time to putting extant species in the game when that time and energy could be better spent working on extinct species

[coarse inlet]

But you won’t need acres upon acres for them to soar

[eager thunder]

I didn’t mean it as a serious idea anyhow

Just a thought

Like in a hypothetical infinite time and money situation I guess

[quick ore]

I don't think engaging in impossible hypotheticals is worth discussing imo

[limber needle]

what rhampho whic a harpactognathus alt would go hard

[eager thunder]

I like the things that have crests in such

[limber needle]

this thing was huge for a long tailed pterosaur btw

[quick ore]

like, sure I guess, but fact is this can't and won't happen

[coarse inlet]

But anyway I think people in general overestimate the appropriate size of flying animal enclosures

[cloud nymph]

Still a terrible idea. I wouldn’t want extant species in the paleofauna game just as I am not a fan of paleo dlc in games about building zoos with extant species.

[coarse inlet]

They do not NEED to soar all over the place to be happy

[eager thunder]

I mean I wouldn’t want to suffocate the flyers and the maps pretty large

[coarse inlet]

I’ve worked at places that housed condors

[quick ore]

to add to this, almost any extant species you could want in the game has extinct species that are visually or phylogenetically similar that you would be better off using instead

[coarse inlet]

Their space needs are probably about the same as a mid-large sized carnivoran

Wolves, pumas, etc

[quick ore]

I do hope that if the game ever adds species similar to cranes that it doesn't imply pinioning by having them in open exhibits

same with flamingoes

[cloud nymph]

The only exception is having recently extinct species in either, which could act as a lesson on extinction always being near.

[eager thunder]

What about extant species just as visual flare, like a random duck in a pond

[quick ore]

again

[coarse inlet]

Yeah but even with flighted flamingos the space nerd doesn’t really increase

[quick ore]

there are extinct ducks you could use to the same effect

[lean hound]

waste of money and effort

[limber needle]

yeah maybe 5 acres is oversepping, but certainly enough so they dont get atrophy

[quick ore]

not the space I just mean having it be open

[mint creek]

Already got them, in the tide pool feeder...

[alpine thicket]

Even theoretical placeable ambient species I think should either be nondescript(like fine place a fish cloud or something in a tank hypothetically) or prehistoric.

[quick ore]

yeah the only extant animals I can see being featured are as like, full carcasses as enrichment or something

[coarse inlet]

Yeah it’s not small but it’s not more than a big dinosaur would need

[quick ore]

actually wait

the game DOES have extant animals in the game; the termite feeders

[coarse inlet]

And dung beetles

[quick ore]

yup

[coarse inlet]

Tide pool fish

[quick ore]

plus whatever the meat comes from

[coarse inlet]

Guests

[peak hazel]

Nigel

[coarse inlet]

Damn I was about to say that lol

[quick ore]

implying that Nigel isn't the same species as the guests

[cloud nymph]

You mean ambient species? It’s probably not worth the detailed effort, especially when the game features many biomes and countries.

[coarse inlet]

He’s not, they’re clearly a less high-resolution subspecies

Fewer polygons

[shell sonnet]

Nigel isn't real; he's simply a voice in your head

[quick ore]

even if you wanted to recreate what Prehistoric Park had with extant and extinct animals living together you could just as easily have the game add species similar enough to something like an african elephant to have them cohab with a mammoth, as an example

like palaeoloxodon or something

[coarse inlet]

How much space fliers would need would also very much depend on the animal. Dsungaripterids and Tapejarids would probably have smaller space needs than anhanguerids or pterandontoids of the same size

[quick ore]

and Dimorphodon too

[ancient ibex]

I honestly would enjoy having extinct animals in a regular zoo game

[coarse inlet]

Yeah Dimorphodon is basically a slightly more volant flying squirrel

[shell sonnet]

Question again, is it worth the devs time to focus on something close to an extant species over something unique. No offense, but there's pletny of Proboscids I'd like to see before Palaeoloxodon.

[quick ore]

that's a different question though

[ancient ibex]

But, to make myself understood, I'd rather add mammoths to the game that has reindeer, than add reindeer to the game that has mammoths

[coarse inlet]

Palaeoloxodon is not my personal priority but they’re very popular

[quick ore]

I never said that is what they should do, just that if that is what you want from the game the devs could do that instead of adding extant species

also Palaeoloxodon is cool

[ancient ibex]

I mean, I'd rather have a second Mammuthus species and mastodons first, but the extreme sized true elephants would be great

[quick ore]

despite its otherwise normal appearance, it is the largest proboscidean ever

[coarse inlet]

It is, but not as cool as Mammut, Deinotherium, or Platybelodon

[quick ore]

agreed

just saying it isn't a bad choice per say

plus it can have the dwarf species as an alt

[ancient ibex]

I'm not really a fan of shovel tuskers ngl, but that's just personal preference, all proboscideans are cool

[limber needle]

park manager is schizoprenic theory

[quick ore]

letting a Deinotherium bull rampage through my park while playing this theme:
https://youtu.be/ba1e3-Ylhec?si=BtEVzxJCCVojkSx9

[cloud nymph]

See I can sort of see mammoths working with reindeer, but I would still choose something that got extinct during written history before I see animals that got extinct earlier.

[shell sonnet]

I don't find being the largest that appealing in most cases; otherwise we should have gotten Shantung over Eddie

[coarse inlet]

Nah it’s like Absolute Martian Manhunter he’s an extradimensional entity

[mint creek]

https://tenor.com/view/deinotherium-my-love-heart-locket-gif-21143414

[shell sonnet]

I prefer the Jimney Cricket hypothesis

[quick ore]

you say that but I think to most people it absolutely is very appealing, especially since one of the things that sets apart the species of prehistory from those of today IS their larger size

[coarse inlet]

The extreme size disparity is definitely fun

[ancient ibex]

S'all quaternary biota anyway, but fair

[tulip umbra]

Personally, yes ill take even take an extinct duck

[coarse inlet]

But I prefer unique anatomy

[shell sonnet]

Same

[coarse inlet]

Presbyornis

[cloud nymph]

If size conveys the message “elephant, but prehistoric” then sure size could work

[fiery crow]

more of a Platybelodon fan myself

[quick ore]

there are even good extinct ducks that otherwise look ordinary, like the Chatham Island Duck

which is also flightless as a plus

[coarse inlet]

Meh

[fiery crow]

so many early proboscidians were so damn weird

[coarse inlet]

Not as cool as Presbyornis

[quick ore]

just saying as an option if you wanted a normal duck in game

the best duck is Chelychelynechen

[fiery crow]

giant ducks my beloved

[quick ore]

which is an actual duck

and also Talpanas

[coarse inlet]

Presbyornis with Teviornis and “Styginetta” alts

[shell sonnet]

If I want an extinct duck, I'll just ask for the Labrador duck

[fiery crow]

Presbyornis is probably one of my most wanted Amphibious vivies

[shell sonnet]

(and I really don't care for that one)

[fiery crow]

it would be PERFECT

[tulip umbra]

Ill even take ciconia maltha which is essentially just a stork

[coarse inlet]

They’d also fit as small habitat species imo

[quick ore]

imagine letting flocks of Sylviornis roam around the park like guinea fowls (would be a terrible idea imo given those beaks could likely do serious damage)

[fiery crow]

I’d prefer vivarium
just like I’d prefer Myotragus for vivariums

[cloud nymph]

Would pink-headed duck be available or is it still not considered extinct yet?

[coarse inlet]

I don’t really think “Extinct X” species without something distinctive about them are worth it

[limber needle]

talpanas?

[coarse inlet]

And they were apparently aggressive

[quick ore]

I mentioned that already

[quick ore]

oh lol

[limber needle]

oh mb

[fiery crow]

Bad and naughty children go to the Sylviornis zoo to get their eyes pecked out.

[coarse inlet]

Yeah native accounts say that the adults were aggressive towards people

[cloud nymph]

But le pink head…

[quick ore]

Side note can we talk about how insane it was for jurassic world to have those kiddy rides/children's zoos with juvenile dinosaurs. Like if that actually existed it wouldn't be cute and would be stressful for the dinosaurs and incredibly dangerous for small children

[limber needle]

what a cute little birdie, im sure this will be perfect to wander around the picnic area

[fiery crow]

anyways anyways
which Amphibious vivies do you guys want in ze game

[limber needle]

nigel even adresses that in the laeyellynasaura dialogue

[quick ore]

oh fr?

[fiery crow]

I think Chroniosuchus would be nice

[cloud nymph]

That attraction would be shut down after a scratch followed by a class action lawsuit… assuming the land JW is on is ruled by US law.

[quick ore]

Obdurodon

[tulip umbra]

Like dont get me wrong i get there are priorities in terms of species, but if you asked me right now if i want a basic extinct stork or third carchar. Im taking the stork.

[fiery crow]

in fact give me just a second

[plush nacelle]

Equus ferus gonna be extant species lmao

[quick ore]

a scratch? there were baby trikes in there that could cleave fingers if they wanted to

[quick ore]

not the same

that's like saying the aurochs is an extant species

[cloud nymph]

Or quagga

[shell sonnet]

Quagga isn't even a species

[cloud nymph]

I know

It’s an extinct sub of an extant species

[quick ore]

Quagga is like the only good exception to the rule because of its iconic look and the fact that it would be so easy to add if you already wanted to add Equus species

[coarse inlet]

Not even that

It’s a regional color morph

[cloud nymph]

Well now

[quick ore]

even still, I think if anything is fine as an exception to the rule it is the Quagga, for a number of reasons

[coarse inlet]

I’m fine with it as an alt for another Equus species but adding it on its own would be silly

[shy vale]

if tapejarids are added, please make them herbivores/frugivores

also iirc, aren't basically all the extant animals present during the pleistocene?

[quick ore]

I don't see why they wouldn't be

for the pterosaur thing

[quick ore]

besides domestics, yes

[shy vale]

so putting in caribou with woolly mammoths could work

[quick ore]

no

[shy vale]

but i think it should focus on extinct animals

[quick ore]

that's not how that works

[fiery crow]

Amphibious Box: Beelzebufo, Castorocauda, Cycleryon, Eurypterus, Ichthyornis
Amphibious Small: Acanthostega, Crassigyrinus, Gerrothorax, Halszkaraptor, Hynerpeton, Hyphalosaurus, Mesosaurus, Phosphatherium, Pleurosaurus
Amphibious Medium: Bernissartia, Dallasaurus, Didelphodon, Gnatusuchus, Habrosaurus, Henodus, Indohyus, Megalograptus, Megarachne, Praepusa, Presbyornis, Pseudocarcinus karlraubenheimeri
Amphibious Large: Axestemys, Chroniosuchus, Hibbertopterus, Ichthyostega

[plush nacelle]

Extinct caribou subspecies...

[quick ore]

saying you are putting in caribou that are the same species as extant caribou but saying they are from the pleistocene would just be dumb

[shy vale]

that's not really what i meant

i apologize for any confusion

what about european hippos though?

[shell sonnet]

Beelzebufo is the of size our current turtle, the box is fine

[shy vale]

like hippopotamus antiquus?

[shell sonnet]

And Halszka can fit in the small vivarium

[quick ore]

I mean that's fine ig, but I would rather the malagasy species or some other extinct whippomorphs

[shell sonnet]

Rather get the Madgascar set

[shy vale]

i would've gone with natovenator tbh, because we have more confidence about that being semi-aquatic

[shy vale]

fair enough

or maybe natovenator as an alt for halszkaraptor but vivarium alts aren't a thing apparently

[fiery crow]

Terrestrial Box: Albanerpeton, Cacops, Deinogalerix, Docodon, Euchambersia, Kapes, Najash, Phlegethontia, Platyhystrix, Schleromochlus, Thrinaxodon
Terrestrial Small: Araripesuchus, Caudipteryx, Ceratogaulus, Eilenodon, Euparkeria, Leptictidium, Paleocastor, Patagopteryx, Pulmonoscorpius, Saltopus, Seymouria, Sinosauropteryx, Tiliqua frangens
Terrestrial Medium: Adalatherium, Aquilops, Eohippus, Hesperocyon, Heterodontosaurus, Hyperodapedon, Myotragus, Protosuchus, Repenomamus, Taeniolabis, Trilophosuchus
Terrestrial Large: Arthropleura, Madtsoia madagascariensis, Nuralagus rex, Orodromeus, Palaeosaniwa, Saniwa, Wonambi

[shy vale]

should euchambersia have venom?
i feel that's a bit out there...

[fiery crow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[coarse inlet]

Why not

[fiery crow]

Arboreal Box: Anchiornis, Coelurosauravus, Desmodus draculae, Drepanosaurus, Epidexipteryx, Hylonomus, Longisquama, Meganeura, Microleo, Sharovipteryx, Suminia, Volaticotherium
Arboreal Small: Avisaurus, Confuciusornis, Darwinius, Ectopistes migratorius, Falcatakely, Gigarcanum, Jehelopterus, Jehelornis, Kuehneosuchus, Ozimek, Plesiadapis
Arboreal Medium: Meganeuropsis
Arboreal Large: Bohra paulae, Megaladapis

the Large ones are probably a bit of an exaggeration

[shy vale]

why do you have both sharovipteryx and ozimek?

maybe switch one of them with longisquama or mirasaura

[fiery crow]

I’m allowed to have both

if you don’t like that, you can ignore it and move on

[shy vale]

fair enough

but i feel like one of longisquama or mirasaura should be there

or alternatively, add something to the back of drepanosaurus

but that's just my opinion

[fiery crow]

and I’m allowed to disagree.

[shy vale]

fair enough

[shell sonnet]

If I was to make a suggestion for a larger arboreal animal, Vulpavus

[low bridge]

Dudes vote my reptile poll on main chat

[tulip umbra]

Nah

Jan 14th, Alienacanthus Malkowskii. This large placoderm fish, just like Dunkleosteus is only known from skull material discovered in Poland and Morocco dating to the late Devonian. Its completely preserved skull tells us that it had an extremely elongated lower jaw, lined with teeth all the way to the tip. What purpose this adaptation served is unclear, though hypotheses include use as a weapon to stun prey, a sensory organ to detect prey (like modern Halfbeaks), a tool to sift through the sand or even to lure and trap prey within.

[hollow flower]

How disturbing

[river perch]

that first drawing looks particularly cool

[vast berry]

What have you against Balaur?
What has it ever done to you?

[quick ore]

Balaur is too much of a mystery

any reconstruction of it is too speculative for this game imo

People only gas it up as a double clawed raptor despite said feature not being as noteworthy as was initially assumed

we don't even know what it ate, let alone what its skull looked like

it's just another fragmentary species that would be a mistake to include over the multitudes of other, better options

the image you used isn't even accurate to the current idea of what we think it was

[tulip umbra]

That one is by the amazing artist Joschua Knuppe

[river perch]

seemed like it

his style is so recognizable

absolutely goated

[hollow flower]

Vasuki fits the godly title better than Balaur since Balaur is just a dragon

[median glen]

Can I suggest

[shy vale]

could vespersaurus be an alternative for a double-clawed dinosaur?

though it's a noasaur rather than a maniraptoran

[quick ore]

I mean, maybe? I don't think anyone knows what its raised outer toes were used for though

[wary nacelle]

I think we should add dinosaurs NOT CLICKBAIT

[neat wind]

if we get quetz we should get hatz too, they share rig and if they add one they could add the other

[rigid spindle]

Hatz neck might be too short to use the same rig, but if they use the same black magic they used to use the same rig on rex and deinocheirus, in sure they could use it on these 2

[coarse inlet]

They could definitely share a rig

They’re not similar enough to be alts but they could easily share a rig

[alpine thicket]

Rigs are very flexible.

I too think Hatz is a good choice, since despite its scrappiness we have a pretty strong idea of its overall anatomy and what we do have indicates it's pretty wildly different from Quetz in terms of what it was probably doing.

[river perch]

honestly wonder if azhdarchids could straight up get away with sharing a universal pterosaur rig

it would certainly lighten the workload if you only had to make 1 base rig for an entire set of animals

[ancient ibex]

Pterodactyloids were IIRC moving differently than the earlier animals

[left spear]

Yeah you'd atleast need 2, maybe three if you make Jeholo a habitat

Dimorpho is guaranteed an unique rig if its a habitat due to the walking

[river perch]

that's fair, i was curious because i know in theory you could have the same rig but 2 entirely unique animation sets

[outer moth]

I mean, pterosaurs are pretty diverse in body plans

[left spear]

Eh

Mostly just head and neck swaps tbh

And posture

But derived pterosaurs all have the same basic anatomy

[river perch]

ye that's what i was thinking about

but Dimorphodon is actually a very good point

pretty safe bet on 2

[ancient ibex]

Even then...

[river perch]

oh maw god

in my head im like, "pterosaurs have long necks"

but than i forgot that azhdarchids necks are somehow even longer 😭

flexible rig save us

[coarse inlet]

Yeah very different

Held the hands differently, different posture, different gait

[coarse inlet]

You don’t see some of the differences in left lateral

[ancient ibex]

Oh indeed, but you already see some massive differences

Rhampho in particular is doing something completely different

[left spear]

There's also Veneto ig

[left spear]

But that's 100% a viv

[coarse inlet]

Yeah

[ancient ibex]

Even if Tapejarids and Azdharchids would walk in comparable ways, Pteranodonts would be doing their thing

[coarse inlet]

Yeah I’d say “basal pterosaur” “general pterodactyloid” and “azhdarchoid” would probably be the three rigs

[left spear]

Nah pterosaurs couldn't walk more than a couple meters, every time they wanted to eat or drink they had to take flight and fly 5 meters to the nearest nutrition source.

[ancient ibex]

Hell, I could see pteranodontians needing more finetuning while stuff like Pterodaustro would work well with azdharchid movements

There is a reason we used to think of ctenochasms as azdharchid adjacent, lil combmouths really did it first

[coarse inlet]

true

Noripterus would need a different rig though if they ever added that

because it apparently was digitigrade

[left spear]

Cartoon ass feet

[coarse inlet]

I'd wonder if Dsungaripterus was the same since we don't have its feet

[outer moth]

I get that ppl want pterosaurs in PK, but what I wanna know is how ppl think aviaries will work in PK

[flint sable]

I mean we can definitely get pterosaurs in the current state

not many but a few

but for the bigger bois, hopefully id imagine something similar to JWE with the notable exceptions of much more ground locomotion and being able to essentially freely customize the space

[left spear]

You get pterosaurs but they get their wings clipped at hatching

Simple solution

[vast berry]

We need Metriacanthosaurus, Proceratosaurus and Megalosaurus ASAP

[quick ore]

I'm fine with us only getting the smaller pterosaurs tbh, aviaries would be great but they aren't something that I really NEED yknow

like I think if we only end up getting volant species via vivs that would still be a win

[left spear]

All dlc animals at best

And all probably alts

[alpine thicket]

all pterosaurs are engineered to violently explode if they ever fly

[left spear]

Hence why animals like Pteranodon developed long beaks for Pole jumping

[coarse inlet]

Honestly I'm assuming they'd figure out something a similar to but a little more advanced than how JWE did it

in that containment has to be with specific modules, but the animals are free-roaming

It'd probably also help if they were walking more

[shell sonnet]

The first step would be to get the enclosures right. There should some dimension requirements for the game to turn a basic fence setup into an aviary (or aquarium), as much as we would like freeform designs.

[shy vale]

so megalosaurus for torvosaurus, proceratosaurus for guanlong (if guanlong is added in pre-dlc/early dlc), and metriacanthosaurus for like say, yangchuanosaurus or sinraptor?

[shell sonnet]

Even as alts, they'd be rather mediocre

[coarse inlet]

Yeah I'd be fine with something similar to what JWE has but with more varied heights, sizes, and materials

[coarse inlet]

I think Megalosaurus would be neat

[shell sonnet]

I'd prefer Afrovenator

[coarse inlet]

yeah but Afrovenator is too far from Torvosaurus to just be an alt

[shell sonnet]

Beyond being the first dino, Megalo isn't that great

[ancient ibex]

So, perfect for an alt

Afrovenator isn't even that similar to Torvo

[coarse inlet]

it's not THAT bad

[ancient ibex]

Hell, Megalosaurines sensu stricto end up closer to spinosaurs than to Afrovenatorines every so often

[coarse inlet]

not good enough to add it as a non alt, but fine for an alt

[fiery crow]

Megalo can be the Ugruunaluk for Torvo

[shell sonnet]

Nah.

[coarse inlet]

which makes a lot of sense given the more recent Torvo stuff

[shell sonnet]

That's too mean even for Megalo.

[fiery crow]

Charono?

[ancient ibex]

Tarbo

[coarse inlet]

its face was way longer than often shown'

[fiery crow]

was Torvo Morrison or nah

[coarse inlet]

yeah

Morrison and Lournha

[fiery crow]

hoping we get more Jim Morrison stuff

[coarse inlet]

I mean we are getting 5 new Morrison species next update

[fiery crow]

technically just two

[coarse inlet]

no

[fiery crow]

Allo and Stego
that’s two

[shell sonnet]

genera not species

[coarse inlet]

Allosaurus fragilis, Allosaurus jimmadseni, Allosaurus anax, Stegosaurus stenops, and Stegosaurus ungulatus

5 species

[ancient ibex]

The "let's restore it as a tyrannosaurid" was a bold move

[coarse inlet]

Yeah, the "Torvosaurus was the T. rex of the Jurassic" phase was always weird

and a lot of people are still stuck on it

[shell sonnet]

I blame Edmarka

[ancient ibex]

So Bakker once again lol

Hell, a Torvosaurus rex isn't a really farfetched proposal, if the remains weren't in a bin on Bakker's basement bwahaha

[coarse inlet]

I do think it'd be nice for them to add alts to existing stuff in the future, it'd let DLCs have a few extra species without much extra work

[fiery crow]

is Bakker kinda hated

[coarse inlet]

Bakker is a complicated guy

he's a bit more of a great evangelist than a good scientist

[fiery crow]

so he’s better than Horner and Peters then

[shell sonnet]

Peters is not a scientist

[coarse inlet]

I mean afaik he hasn't molested anyone and he's not AS much of a crank as Peters so

I guess?

[fiery crow]

you know what I mean

[coarse inlet]

but he tends to throw out wild ideas pretty scattershot

[shy vale]

i mean it's an extension of how decades ago

[fiery crow]

two of the most hated people in the palaeontology community

[coarse inlet]

Horner isnt an idiot

[shy vale]

horner is a creep

[coarse inlet]

he knows exactly what he's doing

he's a publicity hound

[shy vale]

wasn't bakker the one who was the major guy being like "dinosaurs were warm-blooded and birds are dinosaurs?"

also he wrote the book raptor red

[ancient ibex]

The thing with Bakker, is that most of the stuff he pushed was under Ostrom

Bakker was in his early 20s when Deinonychus was discovered, and the guy was INCREDIBLE at getting that stuff into the mainstream, but, his actual scientific output peters out once he reaches his 40s, and he is 80

[shell sonnet]

He helped mainstream it in the 80's

[shy vale]

yeah i know this

[ancient ibex]

Been quite a few decades of "cowboy paleontologist who showed the world the raptor" wooing newcomers and afficionados, while other workers just cannot work with his output, when it isn't destructive

Denversaurus was pretty much born out of lowkey taxonomic vandalism of somebody who didn't bother to learn how that stuff worked by the looks of it

Drinker and Edmarka are lost

[shy vale]

then there's paul sereno

[fiery crow]

I still remember hearing about Drinker

[shy vale]

wait isn't drinker apparently like a jurassic pachycephalosaur now?

[fiery crow]

imagine having a dinosaur named after you and it turns out to be invalid 💔

[ancient ibex]

Sereno is also a beast with the media, that takes forever to get work done, and who basically phylo defined everything in the early 90s, for better or worse

[shy vale]

something something crichtonsaurus or whatever it is now

[tough marsh]

Sereno is facinating

Some of the best papers I’ve seen

And then there’s the others

[fiery crow]

who’s defined the 2000s and the 2010s

[shy vale]

then there's like more "modern" people like spinosaurus guy nizar ibrahim

[shell sonnet]

No one, and it's probably better that way

[shy vale]

i would say xu xing

chinese paleontologist who basically was involved in a lot of the 2000s yixian/jiufotang (jehol biota)/tiaojishan discoveries

also gigantoraptor, etc.

he apparently has the most taxa named out of any living paleontologist right now

[shell sonnet]

Look, until he appeares in books as regularly as Bakker, Horner, and Sereno during the 80's did as a celebrity like figure, I would not count him

[flint sable]

speaking of the 2010's

[shy vale]

infamously i would say longrich

at least on the internet

for 2020s

i also would add darren naish because prehistoric planet

[flint sable]

this is only very tangentially related, but

do yall think that all yesterdays (the book by C.M. Koseman) was actually the kickstart for the weird 2010s "overcorrection" era of paleoart/tropes or was it just more fuel to the fire/not as signifigant as most people claim it to have been

[shy vale]

also i think at least 1 argentine paleontologist should also be known

Rodolfo Coria?

[coarse inlet]

Bonaparte and it's not even close

[shy vale]

well yeah but i mean in like 2000s-present

for china, before xu xing, there was dong zhiming

canada, of course, has phil currie

[flint sable]

who is objectively the most famous paleontologist of ever

that did paleontology as their primary contribution

so like Charles Darwin wouldnt count since arguably, although his work heavily featured fossils, he wasnt primarily a paleontologist

[shell sonnet]

Marsh/Cope

[shy vale]

yeah those guys

also tooth guy leidy

[flint sable]

I was thinking them or Buckland

[shy vale]

(i call him tooth guy because of all those nomen dubia)

[shell sonnet]

I don't think of Leidy because he quit part way through

[flint sable]

Cuvier was also very influential in the early days, iirc he was the first to propose extinction as we now understand it

[fiery crow]

Darwinius

[flint sable]

that was named after him tho

[coarse inlet]

Darwin discovered Machrauchenia

[shell sonnet]

Cuvier is the only one I think is comparable

[fiery crow]

I know

[flint sable]

yes, but his primary scientific contribution wasnt paleontology

oh wait I totally forgot about Mary Anning lmao

[fiery crow]

who discovered uhh
Tetrapodophis.

[flint sable]

probably like top 5 for certain

if not top 3

[shy vale]

does nopcsa count?

[coarse inlet]

Honestly Anning is probably the most famous with the general public

elementary school students learn about her

[flint sable]

can confirm, i did

[shell sonnet]

I did not

Sounds like a British thing

[flint sable]

and im not even bri'i'ish

im american

[shy vale]

would also say ostrom

[flint sable]

unlucky i suppose

[fiery crow]

Drinker and Cope?

[shy vale]

she's associated with that alliterative sentence right?
she sells seashells by the seashore?

[flint sable]

they are definitely up there too

[shell sonnet]

I watched plenty of dino docs as a kid; I knew who most of these people were before starting school

[shy vale]

you mean marsh and cope

i know about phil currie because i'm canadian

[shell sonnet]

them, Annining, Owens, Mantell

Horner

[fiery crow]

I know a guy named Andrew must’ve discovered Andrewsarchus

[shell sonnet]

Bakker

[shy vale]

ostrom

[fiery crow]

unfortunately

[shy vale]

roy chapman andrews

said to be one of the inspirations behind indiana jones

[fiery crow]

imagine being so narcissistic you name a fossil after yourself

[shell sonnet]

He didn't

[shy vale]

i think naish is known among the internet nerds

[coarse inlet]

wasnt that Osborn

[shell sonnet]

Yes

[flint sable]

it was named after him I think

[coarse inlet]

Osborn named the fossils Andrews found

[shy vale]

barnum brown

that's another one

[flint sable]

yeah isnt there like

[shy vale]

he's the one who discovered t. rex right?

[flint sable]

a taxonomic rule you cant name critters after yourself

[tough marsh]

Boonstra

[flint sable]

nothing stopping you to ask your buddy to name it after you though

[flint sable]

unfortunately yes

[tough marsh]

I’ve met him

[fiery crow]

bro found a loophole 💀

[shy vale]

i bought a copy of his book ancient sea reptiles as a christmas gift for myself

it cost $40; feel like it was too pricy but the book was good

it was the more recent edition with the soft cover

also i think the nerds would know about nizar ibrahim right?

[tough marsh]

Martil too

[shy vale]

what about tom holtz

[tough marsh]

Anyway in terms of South African Permian Owen , Broom , Boonstra, Kitching, Rubridge, Kammerer

[shy vale]

argentines would know about amenghino and jose bonaparte

there's also wellner and kellner in terms of pterosaur paleontology

[fiery crow]

Japan?

[shy vale]

also mark witton

[shy vale]

don't forget dart!

[tough marsh]

Dart?

[shy vale]

taung child

[tough marsh]

I said Permian

[shy vale]

oh...

[flint sable]

objectively heres a list I can think of of like the most well known of the well knowns in no particular order

Marsh and Cope (bone war)
Osborn (a lot of taxa)
Mary Anning (probably the most well known to the general public)
Cuvier (proposed extinction, one of the earliest paleontologists)
Darwin, if you count him (evolution, duh, extremely famous for that)
Buckland (named dinosaurs)
Barnum Brown (pretty much exclusively remembered nowadays for digging up T. rex)