Community Species Suggestions

[flint sable]

in my opinion

[proper raven]

icthyo isnt even a temnospondyl

[fiery crow]

I know

[tough marsh]

the Elliot Temnospondyli

[left spear]

Beast of Lesotho for u18 trust

[rigid spindle]

Do we really have anything from the beast of lesotho?

[desert flame]

It's true that Mastodonsaurus and Koolasuchus may be difficult to grow in a vivarium.

and Prionosuchus

[tough marsh]

Give me a second I scaled it last week

[proper raven]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sclerocephalus

[left spear]

Giant icthyosaur core

[rigid spindle]

Holy oxalia

[left spear]

This one isn't Lost atleast

[tough marsh]

also from my understanding the beast of lesotho name is from a reddit post

[rigid spindle]

If I had a nickel for every genus named from a single jaw/tooth fragment, I could probably afford to fund an expedition to find more of the skeleton

[tough marsh]

It’s not named

[left spear]

It's also a lot more unique, Oxalaia was probably just a generic large spinosaurid

[proper raven]

what generic?

its ashes

[eager thunder]

We have a bit of jaw and spinal column

[rigid spindle]

Large spinosaurids are oddly good at getting incinerated

[left spear]

I used was for a reason

[proper raven]

i dont think you can even tentatively confirm that vert is oxalaia beyond "it looks like a spinosaurid vert"

unless its found together with the holotype or overlaps with it, which the holotype doesnt even have a vert

[left spear]

Honestly spinosaurid are very samey except for like 3 exceptions

There's no reason to belive Oxalaia would be anything special

[proper raven]

bc alot of them are reconstructed off each other

[left spear]

Admitedly just guessing but still

[proper raven]

and the postcrania are reconstructed off like each other too

its like using Giganoto to fill in the gaps of carch and yea....ofc theyd look similar

[desert flame]

At least Gnatusuchus would work in large and medium vivariums.

[proper raven]

tho vivarium wise, ig more ideas for what else can use the smallest amphibious tank would be nice

so far its only the turtle

[left spear]

Tbh even with carcharodontosaurids which tend to be more completely they also look pretty samey once you reach 4 tons and upwards with the exception of Acro

[rigid spindle]

Would cacops fit in box?

[left spear]

It would fit

[desert flame]

Beelzebufo

[left spear]

Not sure if It would be fit for it

Doesn't seem like a good swimmer

[left spear]

Drowned frog

[rigid spindle]

Beelze could probably go in terrestrial if they add a water enrichment item

[proper raven]

idk enough about beelze if it could even vibe underwater

[left spear]

Even without the enrichment It would probably be fine with the natural humidity

[rigid spindle]

True

[left spear]

It's an arid toad

It probably can't even swim

[rigid spindle]

Madagascar back then was fairly arid, right?

[left spear]

There's a reason there are no Deep cave frogs/toads

[left spear]

Dry Savannah (Grassless) with some woodlands and wetlands scattered in iirc

Essentially just modern Madagascar but make It 75% drier

[rigid spindle]

Then yeah nvm

Beelze can live without water

[left spear]

It'd be like putting a rainfrog in a lake

[left spear]

A mue pool enrichment and done

[proper raven]

ok get sthg else for the amphibious box

[left spear]

Fish

[rigid spindle]

Cacops kingdom

[left spear]

Cacops would probably also drown tbh

[rigid spindle]

Aw man =c

I'm out of ideas

[left spear]

Not too much water but i feel like the inclination is way too sharp

If It Falls into the wáter i doubt it would be able to make It back to land

Tho tbf it's a videogame

[rigid spindle]

Just put a ladder or a flight of stairs in there

[left spear]

Cacops crane

[rigid spindle]

PK DEV TEAM

ADD CACOPS CRANE AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[left spear]

Coccosteus?

Tho that might be better for a straight up aquarium

Wouldn't be able to use half of the box otherwise

Oh wait!

Cretapsara athanata

100myo very well preserved freshwater crab

[rigid spindle]

Would trilobites work?

Or are they too aquatic

[left spear]

Okey 5mm nvm 😭

[left spear]

I feel like those would be better reserved for a tide pool/Coastal aquarium

[proper raven]

vivarium touch pool

[rigid spindle]

Fair point

[left spear]

If you want an invertebrate look for an Eurypterid

[rigid spindle]

Are there any small enough?

[left spear]

Not sure

There's that one that left the trail

That one might

But it's not a fossils per se

[rigid spindle]

Megarachne might work

[left spear]

So i don't know if It has an actual named species behind it

[left spear]

I think those are of the aquatic branch?

[rigid spindle]

They can't go on land?

[left spear]

Idk

I'm not that knowledgable on eurypterids

I thought of a single Habrosaurus but that's probably too big

[eager thunder]

What animals would actually be the ones to have constant snow in their enclosures?

Now that i think of it

Cause mammoths had the step and all

[left spear]

Barely any

[eager thunder]

Well darn

[proper raven]

prolly an extinct marmot or sthg

[fiery crow]

1 or 2 Habros would probably be fine in a Large vivie

[left spear]

Most arctic animal are aquatic either way

[rigid spindle]

I don't think there were many tundra species in the past

Mainly because there wasnt many arctic biomes back then

[eager thunder]

I guess for enrichment bears could get snow right?

Cave Bears

[proper raven]

cave bears the moment they see snow:

[left spear]

On a large one yes, but rn we're trying to find something that fits on wetland box

[proper raven]

https://tenor.com/view/betty-white-golden-girls-goldengirls-gif-24420163

[eager thunder]

What

Oh they

They lying in the snow

I see I get it

[rigid spindle]

Habrosaurus reminds me of khuli loaches

[eager thunder]

Silly times for all

[proper raven]

nah, theyd just automatically go hibernate lol

[fiery crow]

Cteniogenys

[rigid spindle]

This might be a stretch, but I can see 2-3 habros fitting in box

Mainly cuz they would just pile up on top of eachother

[left spear]

Phlegethontia

1m long but still fits just based on how thin it is

[fiery crow]

Amphibamus

[left spear]

Would be hell to animate but oh well

[proper raven]

the noodle

[rigid spindle]

Box has a lot of noodle potential

[left spear]

I feel like It would drown

[rigid spindle]

Would (I'm not even attempting to spell that) move much?

[left spear]

Why do so many things feel like they would drown

[fiery crow]

how would Cteniogenys drown? it was a choristodere

aren’t those all semiaquatic

[left spear]

It's an amphibian, even if i imagine It would be on the more active side i doubt It would be more active than Titano

[left spear]

There's also the fact that:

[rigid spindle]

So they can take a similar path to titano with set anims

Is ctenio just a jaw?

[left spear]

Unless you do Ctenio sp then you have more material, but the named species is only this.

[fiery crow]

I really do not care about this

I really
do not care

[rigid spindle]

Just slap the named species name on the material for sp. And don't tell anybody

[fiery crow]

maybe Tanytrachelos?

[left spear]

Actually great pick

[rigid spindle]

Thunder thighs

[fiery crow]

tanystropheids were so fucking weird in general

[rigid spindle]

He's got the capy charisma

[eager thunder]

He’s growing a parasite

[rigid spindle]

Habrosaurus and tanytrachelos are now my top 2 picks for amphibious box

[fiery crow]

I think Castorocauda could also fit in a Box

[rigid spindle]

Castorocauda (assuming this is accurate) definitely could work

Maybe one or 2 per box

[fiery crow]

most Mezosoic mammals in general were tiny

[left spear]

Habro is very on the limit

[rigid spindle]

Fair point

[fiery crow]

Acanthostega?

[rigid spindle]

But I'm firmly believing in the khuli mindset

[proper raven]

cue the this box literally has every Mesozoic mammal found in existence joke

[rigid spindle]

(aka khuli copium)

[left spear]

Like veeeryyyyyyyyyy on the limit

[eager thunder]

It’s human sized

I duno

[rigid spindle]

So 2m?

[proper raven]

nah its like 1m at beat

well for the img above

[left spear]

Specially since sirens are highly territorial and require quite a bit of space

[fiery crow]

for Wetland Box

[rigid spindle]

As I said, khuli copium

[left spear]

Even more so if a fourth of the box is land

Which a sirem will rarely go into

[rigid spindle]

The box viv is 4^3, correct?

Or 64 cubic meters (I think that's the unit idk I'm American)

1/4 of that is water, so 16 cubed

And a quarter of that water is taken up by land

So 12 cubed

Ok yeah only one habro if any

[flint sable]

wait.....

its all.....

tooth fragments.......

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-disgusted-shocked-gif-18281147417641229467

[coarse inlet]

How?

Tiktaalik is way bigger

[rigid spindle]

"The postcrania! Its-its missing!"

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-tai-lung-empty-scroll-it's-nothing-no-hay-nada-gif-4040111734232253217

[proper raven]

"It's ok, I didn't get it the first time either. There is no postcrania. It's just teeth."

[rigid spindle]

Finding the postcrania of a Mesozoic mammal is the gta6 of the Paleo community

[flint sable]

theres like 2 I can think of lmao

thats bad

now that I think about it theres more than that but for more than like 95% they will forever be known from le toofers

[fiery crow]

are most Mesozoic mammals in general just super fragmentary

[flint sable]

basically yeah

honestly the ones on the larger end tend to be pretty ok most of the time

although generally from like

1 specimen to be fair

but most of the smaller ones are just so tiny they dont fossilize well at all

[flint sable]

repenomamus for example has multiple specimens

[coarse inlet]

THere's a good amount of well understood ones

[flint sable]

from 2 species

[proper raven]

to be fair, mammal teeth are very diagnostic so its fine mostly

[fiery crow]

are Didel or Volatico fragmentary?

[coarse inlet]

no

[flint sable]

iirc Didelphodon has a near complete skeleton

if not complete

[proper raven]

and in the end the bauplan is basically "rat" if youre going for like a toothed small mesozoic mammal

[flint sable]

across multiple specimens but idk

[coarse inlet]

Didelphodon, Fruitafossor, Repenomamus, Volaticotherium, Gobiconodon, Zalambdalestes, Adalatherium, and a lot of docodonts if we count those

[flint sable]

Morganucodon isnt terrible either if you count it too

[fiery crow]

Kayentatherium?

[flint sable]

also pretty good

[vast berry]

Proterosuchus?

For enclosures

[peak hazel]

That specific part of the pelvis is enough to diagnose it as a theropod

And because of where it was found its probably the earliest one

Still a bit stupid but it could be worse

[lean hound]

Pk’s mono is smaller than that btw

[ebon nova]

Add nigersaurus

[lean hound]

Slightly strange clade ratios

[shell sonnet]

Longisquama and Kuehneosaurus can't even glide

[left spear]

Also all of these except maybe 2 but probably one are vivs

Not really a flyer pack at the end of the day

[shell sonnet]

Heck that's not even a picture of Kuehneosaurus; the wings are too big

[feral cedar]

Did you get Longisquama as a flier from the Disney Dinosaur movie

[desert flame]

We need Nigersaurus.
Unique and small sauropods are fascinating.

[quick ore]

why is this all viv species and then Argentavis, and Longisquama didn't even glide

[shell sonnet]

neither can Kuehneosaurus; it's a parachutist

[vernal maple]

Would Eohippus be better as a full species, or a terrarium animal?

[fresh ember]

Vivarium

[fiery crow]

well
would you put a horse in a vivarium is the question

[fresh ember]

It's like, the size of a cat.

[vernal maple]

It's TINY

[plush nacelle]

Good thing we PK selection is rather objective with size being main factor

Aside few special cases

[vernal maple]

Eohippus is I wanna say right around the same size as Leaellynasaura, which is a full species, but I honestly think Leaellynasaura would have been a vivarium species if the vivarium update came out before it

[plush nacelle]

Eohippus is as big as peltephilus

Bud is 30cm tall at shoulder

[fiery crow]

it’s still a horse. wouldn’t it need a lot of space to run around?

[plush nacelle]

Doesnt matter

[vernal maple]

Huh. I thought it was a little bit bigger. Like Jack Russell size

[plush nacelle]

PK vivariums are based on size

[plush nacelle]

It is so basal a mouse deer or duiker are better comparison

And these are mostly kept indoors

[coarse inlet]

the size of a fox terrier

[fresh ember]

Point still stands that it's tiny.

[desert flame]

Eohippus was about the size of a small dog, so it could probably be exhibited indoors.

[fresh ember]

It's not that cut-and-dry.

By that logic, Microraptor should be free-roaming because it's a dromaeosaur.

[fiery crow]

would Propalaeo be the same way too then

[plush nacelle]

Depends on species

One species is small, other is big

Both with excellent fossil record

But, if I am not mistaken smaller one is now called eurohippus

[fiery crow]

https://preview.redd.it/stylinodon-was-a-bizarre-mammal-from-the-early-eocene-from-v0-276sat2yhvpd1.png?auto=webp&s=315a1a991941601b3dbbf627c8dd9ef72679c6e7

Stylinodon mirus, an extremely bizarre taeniodont from early Eocene North America.

[fresh ember]

Looks like something you'd fight in DnD.

[fiery crow]

Early true mammals were so strange. Some pantodonts would be great to see as well.

[lean hound]

What the hell is that

[mint creek]

Stylinodon mirus, an extremely bizarre taeniodont from early Eocene North America.

[lean hound]

Thanks

[coarse inlet]

specifically a fox terrier

[tulip umbra]

Jan 11th, Anteosaurus Magnificus. What do you get when you put a tyrannosaur skull on a synapsid? Well, the largest predator from the entire Permian. It reigned supreme in what was then South Africa, only being done in by the Middle Permian extinction event. It is known from many skulls, painting a very clear ontogenetic series and some postcranial material like isolated hands, feet, girdles, vertebrae, … The adults had a lot of thickening in the skull, suggesting it could have butted heads with others of its kind, though this is still being debated on.

[fiery crow]

Synapsids in general were such a weird and wonderful bunch.

Surprised you posted Anteosaurus though, most of your daily suggestions so far have been a lot more obscure.

[tulip umbra]

Anteosaurus is pretty underrated imo, always getting overshadowed by dimetro and ino

Also yea, some days a little less obscure than others. Trying to keep it diverse, cuz if not id posting fish everyday lol

[lean hound]

This really should be the standard for suggestions

[tulip umbra]

Thx, im keeping it at one a day to avoid over cluttering and i learn many things myself as well

Nice daily habit

[fiery crow]

I’ve been doing the same thing too

[coarse inlet]

Anteosaurus is peak

[fiery crow]

Are there any chances that I could recommend you a few I think you should check out in DMs?

[fiery crow]

so yesterday we had a talk about what vivie animals would fit in a Box-size Amphibious vivarium
what about a Large-size Amphibious vivarium

[plush nacelle]

In a sense large vivarium is the only viable option for animal?

[fiery crow]

yeah

[plush nacelle]

Maybe koolasuchus

This category is rather restricted to unusual animals from exhibit perspective

[fiery crow]

Gnatusuchus?

[shell sonnet]

Arthropleura would be the best bet for a large-size only vivarium animal

[shell sonnet]

I see it being proposed here every week or so. Still a good animal, though we need Titanophoneus potens as an alt.

[quick ore]

I'm honestly shocked that Wakaleo got so many votes I almost didn't include it

simply because I think Thylacoleo + Microleo as a viv would be enough for their group but I would still love to see Wakaleo

Palorchestes is absolutely goated though

[rigid spindle]

It's a pet-sized thyla is goated

[rigid spindle]

Just the right size to take a hand without ripping off an entire limb

[median glen]

Both

[quick ore]

dude....

we have Diictodon already

[median glen]

Just Struthiocephalus then

[quick ore]

how

the FUCK

did you forget Atopodentatus????

[rigid spindle]

The blatant lack of eretmorphis is criminal

[vast berry]

Could you blame me for NOT having heard of it?

[rigid spindle]

Yesnt

[rigid spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-walter-white-walter-white-absolute-cinema-white-walter-absolute-gif-10929974052418095046

[toxic oriole]

The shark, the shark-sized fish, the mosasaurs, one of the last plesiosaurs, I think one of the last pliosaurs, and the sea turtle

[vast berry]

Archelon means 'Lord of the Turtles'

[shy vale]

dolichorynchops i think is a polycotylid, not a pliosaur

also neither elasmosaurus or dolichorynchops are the last of their kind

[toxic oriole]

Well it IS a plesiosaur of sorts from what I saw

[shy vale]

pliosaurs already i think went extinct by the turonian iirc

[quick ore]

Hesperornis not being here is sad imo

[fiery crow]

Stratodus 😔

[vast berry]

Platecarpus was the most common mosasaur in the seaway

[fiery crow]

Hesperornis isn’t a mosasaur
neither is Stratodus

[desert flame]

Hesperornis was a bird

[fiery crow]

it’s so cool

you guys think it would be fully aquatic or semi-aquatic

[quick ore]

semi

it had to leave the water to lay eggs

[fiery crow]

I’d imagine it’d be like penguins where it was clumsy on land but excellent at swimming

[quick ore]

well yeah, or like a big loon or cormorant

[desert flame]

Its size might make it a large vivarium animal.

[fiery crow]

definitely too big in my opinion
you’d probably only be able to fit one and even then I’d imagine they were social

[desert flame]

In that case, animals on regular exhibits may be more suitable.

[peak hazel]

Jurassic coast pack*

[vast berry]

https://tenor.com/view/dinosaur-walking-with-dinosaurs-cruel-sea-liopleurodon-eustreptospondylus-gif-22515195

[vast berry]

*shallow seas count

[peak hazel]

I know they're not all uk genera but you're basically there

[vast berry]

Most Jurassic sea life has been unearthed in the UK, and some other places abroad

[peak hazel]

yeah because we're the goat

https://tenor.com/view/lie-detector-gif-9388384639890532829

[vast berry]

The Oxford and Kimmeridge Clay sites are incredibly rich bone beds

[open heron]

The wildest thing is that depending on one's definition of a bird it sometimes isn't one since it falls just outside of Aves. Albeit considering most people use bird to refer to Avialae these days anyways it might as well still be considered one.

[open heron]

Interested in the reasons for choosing Tuarangisaurus over other xenopsarian plesiosaurs

[vast berry]

Wanted something more obscure, and from Zealandia

Tuarangisaurus may not be obscure anymore because of 'Prehistoric Planet'

[open heron]

I don't think it really latched on to the paleo zeitgeist despite that tbh.

[vast berry]

Also, how about Aquilolamna and Parapuzosia (an enormous ammonite likened to the kraken of greek mythology)?

[open heron]

I'm partial to Parapu but I'd probably expect it to come as soon as we get aquatics tbh, rather than in a later content pack. Being the closest thing to a definitive most popular ammonite genus definitely counts for something.

I don't really have much of an opinion on Aquilolamna, though assuming Platylithophycus is in fact a member of its family, it would make for a great alt given the projected size differences.

[vast berry]

Jörmungandr, the Midgard Serpent or World Serpent, is a colossal sea serpent in Norse mythology, a child of Loki, who grew so large encircling Midgard (Earth) that it bites its own tail, symbolizing eternity (Ouroboros). Thrown into the ocean by Odin, this monstrous serpent is the destined foe of Thor, and its release from the sea signals the beginning of Ragnarök, the world's end.

Kronos, named after the Titan Kronos

[grim lagoon]

And then they say there were not acuatic dinosaurs

https://tenor.com/view/klasik-clasik-clasic-gif-25398314

[flint sable]

I mean it technically depends on your definition of bird

they are basically on the doorstep of aves but are indeed outside of it

[flint sable]

id imagine even more aquatic than that

like a loon

[fiery crow]

They ARE birds, though. Dinosaurs are birds.

[peak hazel]

Definitely the right way around

[mint creek]

All birds are dinosaurs but not all dinosaurs are birds

[flint sable]

What cheese said

The definition of where bird exactly lies is subjective tho

Most typically people either say Aves or Avialae or somewhere in between though

[mint creek]

Yeah the exact point at where a dinosaur can be classed as a bird is a bit hazy but if a dinosaur is found to be outside Aves it's probably not a bird

[fiery crow]

Objectively, dinosaurs are birds.

[flint sable]

I go with pygostylia as bird myself but that's just my take, mostly because they have a birdlike tail and therefore almost all of their general anatomy is closer to bird

[peak hazel]

Someone insane would say all of maniraptora is birds

[fiery crow]

This debate is over.

[flint sable]

Ok I'll hear you out, explain your logic

[fiery crow]

Everybody knows that birds are dinosaurs.

[flint sable]

Because that's kind of like saying all mammals are cats

[fiery crow]

No, it isn’t. There’s a difference. It is scientifically proven that all birds are dinosaurs.

[hollow flower]

Yes

[flint sable]

Yes but not the other way around

[hollow flower]

But not all dinosaurs are birds

[mint creek]

I think he might be rage bating

[flint sable]

It's two entirely different things chat

[flint sable]

Perhaps

[peak hazel]

Birds are a clade inside the clade dinosauria

[fiery crow]

I meant to say that all birds are dinosaurs.

[peak hazel]

Ah

[flint sable]

Ok yeah that's true

[fiery crow]

How am I rage baiting? I just misspoke.

[mint creek]

Because you reaffirmed your position

You made the same mistake twice, which makes it feel more intentional

[ancient ibex]

All of pennaraptora would count, and the position of Therizinosaurs and Alvarezsaurs is far less stable than usually assumed

[fiery crow]

But I wasn’t ragebaiting.

[mint creek]

I know that know. This is why I said "I think he might be" before you made your position clearer.

[low bridge]

Deinotherium for Prehistoric Kingdom is MUST

[mint creek]

HELL yeah

[ancient ibex]

(Maniraptoriforms and pennaraptorans are quite more stable than maniraptorans, but, then again, Maniraptora has priority over Pennaraptora if both Theris AND Alvies go to the Ornithomimosaur side; Maniraptoriforms as a whole would feel far more birdlike than Tyrannosaurs, Carnosaurs or Ceratosaurs ANYWAY)

[low bridge]

Must of the Must

[mint creek]

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-alerted-the-horse-alert-deinotherium-walking-with-beasts-walking-with-dinosaurs-gif-3023295637816768770

[low bridge]

Prodeinotherium as Alt

[fiery crow]

I agree, but there are cooler deinos out there.

[low bridge]

Deinosuchus Not counts

[ancient ibex]

Deinotherium and mastodon to give elephants equivalents to Paraceratherium and Elasmotherium bwahaha; they only have the Coelodonta equivalent

[low bridge]

Deinotherium is mad

[fiery crow]

Wouldn’t Palaeoloxodon technically be the equivalent to Paracera?

I’m hoping we get both and that they both share different rigs and animations.

[low bridge]

Palaeoloxodon must have 3 species and 1 small species

[low bridge]

Namadicus, Antiqqus, Recki

And Falconeri

[fiery crow]

…no, I’m pretty sure just namadicus would work for an alt. species and falconeri would work as a separate genus.

[low bridge]

Antiqqus,Recki Too

[fiery crow]

I’m pretty sure Falconeri could be a Large Terrestrial vivie even.

[ancient ibex]

Meant it in the "giant but distant relative from early on", Palaeoloxodon is a modern elephant that reached extreme sizes at both ends

[ancient ibex]

Deinocheirus and Tyrannosaurus share rigs. I don't think we'd need too many different elephant rigs

And I don't see any reason to have an elephant in a vivarium ffs

[fiery crow]

Well. It’d fit. But whether or not it’d be a good idea is a different can of worms.

[ancient ibex]

I mean, 196 square meters is quite big

What's the space requirements for a single Velo, Ovi or Lea again?

But still, baby elephants would work well enough anyway

[fiery crow]

Boverisuchus magnifrons, a land-dwelling crocodilian from early-middle Eocene Germany. It is most notable for having hoof-like toes, which suggest that it might’ve been able to gallop similar to a horse.

[ancient ibex]

Huh, just outside Crocodylia as well, neat critter

[abstract compass]

alternatively Dentaneosuchus.

[fiery crow]

when it comes to sebecids I’d prefer Barinasuchus.

[abstract compass]

we all do.

[ancient ibex]

I'd have alts for Sebecids ngl

Barina is snouty

[low bridge]

NO

[ancient ibex]

Sebecus with Barina alt could go hard ttbt

[low bridge]

Fasolasuchus better

[fiery crow]

Fasolasuchus isn’t even a sebecid. What are you on about?

[low bridge]

Quinkana better than Sebecus

[ancient ibex]

A quadrupedal predatory land Triassic croc-thing would go hard indeed, but...

We have a slight idea of Saurosuchus' proportions, and Fasolasuchus is highly fragmentary

[shell sonnet]

To be honest, with regards to land crocs, I'm more of a Baurusuchus fan

(not Triassic I'm aware)

[eager thunder]

Are these those galloping croc things ?

[strange meadow]

no

[desert flame]

If pseudosuchia are added, I would like some diversity, from the famous Postosuchus to the minor Sillosuchus.

[strange meadow]

ticinosuchus would be a nice one imo

[low bridge]

If Hyena get's added it must be Pachycrocuta

[strange meadow]

dinocrocuta

[eager thunder]

Quinkana would be cool

[low bridge]

Both

And extra: Cave Hyena

[strange meadow]

Chasmaporthetes

[low bridge]

No, Cave Hyena

[strange meadow]

ok, why not all of them lol

not like these are certain picks

[low bridge]

Adcrocuta, idk

I see definitely Dinocrocuta, Pachycrocuta, Cave Hyena

[strange meadow]

Chasmaporthetes ossifragus is the only north american hyena and it is cursorial and more hypercarnivorous than durophagus

its def the most unique

[eager thunder]

I mean I feel like being in the beta Hyenadon is the most likely to get in EA

[shell sonnet]

Sillosuchus is questionable; we don't a lot of it and need Shuvosaurus and Effigia to fill in the gaps. If the game needs a Poposauroid, I recommend Lotosaurus instead.

[strange meadow]

not a hyena

[eager thunder]

It’s not?

[shell sonnet]

Not even close

[eager thunder]

Oh god it’s Irish elk all over again

Yeah cave Hyena would be cool

[strange meadow]

nope, theyre from a completely extinct carnivoran group unrelated to any modern lineage

[shell sonnet]

Megaloceras is at least a deer

[fiery crow]

I had no idea it was that fragmentary

[eager thunder]

Yeah but it ain’t a elk

[fiery crow]

but y’know I still want it in

[eager thunder]

Or was it that it wasn’t Irish

[desert flame]

Certainly, if we're talking about the Poposaurus family, the Rotosaurus might be a good idea.
Also, the Poposaurus itself is good.

[shell sonnet]

Good but we are lacking a complete skull

[ancient ibex]

I honestly like the Triassic quadrupedal ones because they were likely not very croc-like; if anything, resembling stuff like ceratosaurs due to plesiomorphic characters, which is cool as hell

[wild relic]

Don't you mean bipedal?

[shell sonnet]

Saurosuchus was a quad

[wild relic]

Ah I was looking at Popo

But True

Also I forgot I still had this Nano pfp from the whole event lol

[ancient ibex]

(I'd really enjoy getting both bipedal and quad non-crocodylomorph loricatans, the same way I'd enjoy having Melanoro alongside Plateo)

[desert flame]

Without the skull, it may be difficult to create an accurate reconstruction model..

[fiery crow]

not really, there’s Effigia

[quick ore]

be fr rn

Quinkana is just a huge question mark

worse than Barina even

[fiery crow]

even as someone who wants Quinkana in I have to agree with this ultimately

[left spear]

Big Quinkana is literally a Teeth

[shell sonnet]

Given that a Chinle pack seems more likely than a Ischigualasto one, I'd expected Effigia first

[fiery crow]

I’d like both. both is good.

[shell sonnet]

I do too

[fiery crow]

#1360542295228944414 message

[tulip umbra]

Im torn on which species to suggest today

Pick a number 1 or 2, im doing the other tomorrow

[shell sonnet]

1.5

[fiery crow]

2

[tulip umbra]

Well shit

[tulip umbra]

Aight

[shell sonnet]

Your only choice is to fuse them

[tulip umbra]

Jan 12th, Abyssosaurus Nataliae. As the name implies, this was an Early Cretaceous cryptoclidid plesiosaur that specialised itself for life in the abyss. Discovered in 1992 from Russia, its partially complete skeleton shows many adaptations for deep sea travel; these include thickened bones (easier to sink), broadened thorax (larger lungs for longer breaths), paedomorphism (retaining juvenile traits into adulthood) and unusually large eye sockets. Normally I would be opposed to highly speculative traits. However I would make an exception if one of its skins depicted a bioluminescent body as a fish lure, only for its invisible head to swoop in.

[fiery crow]

some of these pictures are so creepy

[tulip umbra]

Tmrw is a cenozoic again

[fiery crow]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-boss-smiling-friends-mr-boss-dancing-dancing-mr-boss-smiling-friends-gif-13758973638456732944

MORE CENOZOICS

[peak hazel]

Plesiosaurs are weird animals so obviously people will go crazy with the idea of a deep sea Plesiosaur

[fiery crow]

it helps that we have proof that it likely was a deep-sea dweller

[peak hazel]

yeah

[plush nacelle]

I think yes

Baurusuchus is what people constantly yern for - fast running croc

If i am not mistaken it is the sleek and fast croc species

[fiery crow]

Boverisuchus fits the same niché though

[tulip umbra]

I think ive finally made it out of the arthropod rabbit hole, by far the biggest one…

[fiery crow]

👀

I know what you’re talking about

[fiery crow]

you showed this one a few days ago

YEP

[plush nacelle]

Not as leggy as bauru

It would look more like standard croc in comparison

[tulip umbra]

Gonna have to zoom to see some

[peak hazel]

banana for scale

would unironically have this as a poster

[tulip umbra]

If anyone knows any that i might have missed lmk

[fiery crow]

it’s still crazy to me how big Omnidens was

[tulip umbra]

Unfortunately only known from the mouth appendages and some cranial part i think

[fiery crow]

might be the earliest (and only, sans Jaekelopterus and Pterygotus) representation for a non-vivie arthropod

[tulip umbra]

Its the most fragmentary on the list but too cool not to include

Otherwise ppl will be asking “where is OMNIDENS?”

[peak hazel]

SANS

[fiery crow]

technically speaking “fragmentary” doesn’t really apply to invertebrates since they don’t really have a skeleton the same way vertebrates do

Mongolarachne being too small breaks my heart because it would be so cool to have in-game

[tulip umbra]

Some beautiful mongolarachne art i found throughout my search

[fiery crow]

paleoart try not to be the most realistic-looking art imaginable challenge (impossible)

lowkey makes me wish I could’ve been there myself to see what the world was like. even if I probably wouldn’t survive.

[shy vale]

maybe replace kronosaurus with sachicasaurus?

and maybe diplomoceras as the ammonite?

[shell sonnet]

Why? Parapuzosia has the classic ammonite shape whilst being large enough for a full exhibit animal. It's the best option for the group.

[hollow flower]

I prefer Krono over Sachi personally

[shell sonnet]

You could probably make both of them and Monquirasaurus alts. (Krono's a mess at the moment)

[hollow flower]

Psychopyge as a vivarium trilobite

Looks like a throwable weapon from a videogame

[heavy scarab]

Aside from the ones we know are coming, the Cenozoic creatures I'd love to have are:
Eohippus
Castoroides
Macrauchenia
Dire Wolf
And Entelodon

[quick ore]

lol it looks like the in-game icon for plants

[quick ore]

it also has a cute name

[shell quest]

Mole lizard

-# Hyperodapedon

[ancient ibex]

Krono won't really be a mess tho; neotype and done, everybody is in agreement

[shell sonnet]

The neotype is official?

[fiery crow]

when did Krono start being a mess cuz this info is 100% out of the blue for me

[abstract compass]

pretty sure krono is rather complete.

[fiery crow]

it’s the most likely pliosaur I could see other than Liopleurodon

[quick ore]

Liopleurodon would make people really disappointed seeing it in game lmao

it was about the size of a big sea lion

[abstract compass]

tbh i have like a top 3 pliosaur wishlist. Lio, Krono and P. funkei. Those 3 are a good baseline.

[fiery crow]

I know Cruel Sea lied about its size

[shy vale]

cruel sea had a lot of anachronism tbh

[abstract compass]

also, why would Lio dissapoint people. early game needs animals too if aquatics show up

[quick ore]

this is why

[abstract compass]

perfect size.

[fiery crow]

maybe Simolestes and Attenborosaurus

[fiery crow]

that’s still really big ngl

[hollow flower]

The holotype was a partial mandible

[quick ore]

ofc, and I am not saying it is a bad choice

[abstract compass]

you said people would be dissapointed.

[quick ore]

people are just largely unaware how small it was

yeah because they would be

[fiery crow]

would Leedsichthys be ‘too big’

[hollow flower]

And the specimen that is alot more complete consists largely of plaster

The holotype will get replaced with a neotype at some point though

[fiery crow]

or Titanichthys for that matter

[quick ore]

I just hope Eiectus isn't real

stupid name

[hollow flower]

Agreed

That case annoyed me because if you will replace an iconic animal with a new genus entirely you should probably give it a good name

[abstract compass]

i hope you are aware of the contradiction of saying its not a bad pick vs people would be dissapointed lol.

[quick ore]

you aren't understanding what I am getting at

it isn't a contradiction

[abstract compass]

[quick ore]

Liopleurodon would be a good choice because it has name recognition, good material (I think), and would fill a unique niche

But it would also likely disappoint some people who only know it as the giant marine reptile from Cruel Seas when it wasn't nearly that giant or imposing.

these 2 things don't contradict each other

[torpid grove]

I don't really know who it would disappoint given it's pretty common knowledge nowadays that it isn't a large pliosaur anymore

[abstract compass]

P. Ferox aka Predator X wouldnt dissapoint if added, just because its media portrayal wasnt entirely accurate.

same with lio imo

[quick ore]

I wouldn't be so certain that it is common knowledge

[torpid grove]

For most people here it is

[abstract compass]

thats just a clever alt species to add for the early game

[torpid grove]

Most people who are in the paleo community as well

[quick ore]

Again I think that is a generalization given a lot of people basically only learn from the paleo documentaries and there hasn't been a popular, modern representation of Lio

[amber field]

and cute at same time

[shell sonnet]

If the material was so good, there wouldn't have been any confusion with the size in the first place.

(we do have quite a bit of Lio, but WWD's error should be warning about suggesting animals based on a bone or two)

[wary nacelle]

Forgot Odontochelys the best turtle ever

[torpid grove]

A lot of people also learn from online sources, online communities, etc

[mint creek]

Kronosaurus or bust for pliosaurs

[hollow flower]

Absolut

[feral cedar]

I've seen some people suggest Pliosaurus to be the better pliosaur rep because it can cover different size ranges with different species under the genus

But I like Kronosaurus better

[shy vale]

i mean the fact that sahonachelys is like one of the vivarium species does seem to indicate that more obscure animals aren't off the table?

[shell sonnet]

They just wanted a prehistoric fresh-water turtle, those are pretty obscure by default even amongst most paleonerds

[shy vale]

though wasn't there this big freshwater turtle that was from brazil?

yeah i know that it wouldn't fit a vivarium but you get my point

[fiery crow]

…that doesn’t change the fact that more obscure animals aren’t off the table.

[shell sonnet]

Probably not the most accurate image

[fiery crow]

yea. Stupendemys?

[shy vale]

i was actually thinking of peltocephalus maturin

[toxic oriole]

What are you, STUPEN???

[feral cedar]

ngl I feel like obscure animals aren't by themselves a bad inclusion

Like, just because something was pulled from the depths of Wikipedia doesn't make it unfit for the game

[shy vale]

what about a metriohynchid?

[feral cedar]

I definitely want a thalattosuchian at some point ngl

[fiery crow]

arguably

[feral cedar]

Metriorhynchus and Thalattosuchus seem to have a Oviraptor-Citipati type dynamic going for them

[fiery crow]

just about anything deserves to get in

[shy vale]

even among dinosaurs, which clades aren't present?

[feral cedar]

Pectinodon

[feral cedar]

You have 10 seconds to take that back before I spam the chat

[shy vale]

i meant non-avian

[feral cedar]

You have 10 seconds to take that back before I spam the chat

You sealed your fate

[fiery crow]

Erythrovenator doesn’t deserve to get in

[feral cedar]

So basically every MAJOR clade is in the game but there's a few "sub-clades" in a sense that don't have any presence whatsoever

[peak hazel]

Metriorhynchus and telosuchus I think it is are good

[feral cedar]

Marginocephalians are represented mostly by ceratopsians, the only "major" ceratopsian clade not yet here is leptoceratopsids

[peak hazel]

And dakosaurus

[feral cedar]

ornithopods are actually pretty decently represented and we're only really missing the rhabodontomorph fellas which includes Tenontosaurus and probably Zalmoxes/whatever Zalmoxes might be renamed to

although for saurolophine hadrosaurs having only edmontosaurins is sad

brachylophosaurins and saurolophins pls

[shy vale]

then there's whatever clade ajkaceratops and ferenceratops belong to (if it's legit), chaoyangsaurids (yinlong et al), and basal neoceratopsids like aquilops

[feral cedar]

thyreophorans have a pitiful showing

[shy vale]

no parankylosaurs, that's for sure

[feral cedar]

nodosaurids and stegosaurians as a whole are completely absent (for now)

[shy vale]

actually i think stegouros would be good add?

[tulip umbra]

My fav dino

[peak hazel]

Its telosaurus not suchus

[feral cedar]

Stegouros is a good addition but I can't deny the power of parankylosaur rep leaning towards Kunbarrasaurus with a Stegouros-like tail for an Aussie pack

Although truth to be told Aussie pack's viability was lowered by including Leaellynasaura and Muttaburrasaurus in the base game

FYI I believe that Pleistocene Australia should be a SEPARATE pack to dinosaurs from Australia

Australovenator/Diamantinasaurus/Kunbarrasaurus/Leaellynasaura/Muttaburrasaurus is a very strong roster

[toxic oriole]

All you've got left are Minmi + Whatever other one similar to it thats out there, Australovenator, Rapator, Australotitan...

Kronosaurus too, though thats for much later down the line I could tell

[fiery crow]

Procoptodon, Diprotodon, Thylacoleo, Paludirex, Palorchestes, Murrayglossus, Varanus priscus, Wonambi

there’s probably a few I’m missing

[toxic oriole]

The Australian Thylacine, though save that for the R.E. DLC

[shy vale]

"megalania"

(yes i know it's not the actual scientific name)

[toxic oriole]

Thats the common name for the animal dude.

[shy vale]

i know that

[toxic oriole]

then why put it with quotations?

you implying the name is dubious???

you tryna start a war??/

a riot???

[shy vale]

i didn't mean to

sorry...

[toxic oriole]

Eh I'm just goofin around

[shy vale]

in terms of other clades that i could think of, i think there aren't any noasaurs?

[dawn flame]

hypothetical future DLC concept consisting of 6 creatures per expansion

omg i forgot the recently extinct dlc too

[dawn flame]

i want Masiakasaurus so bad 🥺

[toxic oriole]

More madagascar, eh?

[dawn flame]

$11.99 each for the Aquatic and Pterosaur DLCs
$5.99 each for the others

Bundles:
Dino Bundle - $9.99, includes Therapod + Herbivore DLCs
Above & Below -$19.99 includes Pterosaur + Aquatic DLCs
Prehistoric Bundle - $49.99, includes all 9 DLC (would be a whopping $66 dollars all purchased separately)

[quick ore]

I gotta say I am noticing a very distinct lack of Australia here and I think some of these dlc's are too broad/generic of categories to make much sense

maybe they make sense if the game will only have a short window for dlc and this is all it will get but I do think having a dlc for literally all mammals isn't a likely thing for them to do

[shy vale]

with diictodon, isn't lystosaurus kind of redundant-ish?

[quick ore]

not if it is the exhibit sized species

[shy vale]

would've preferred like placerias or lisowicia for that

also for pterosaur dlcs, where's rhamphorynchus?

[dawn flame]

those are Triassic tho

Lystrosaurus made up like 90% of vertabrate life on earth at once point and were one of the survivors of the Permian extinction

so i figured itd make sense to have them even if we do already have diictodon

[dawn flame]

i was considering Australovenator but i didnt have any free slots, it would probably make sense over Masiakasaurus tho

[shy vale]

i see but i think i would've put in anteosaurus instead

[dawn flame]

i mean there's nothing stopping them from making a second mammal DLC, i dont see the issue

maybe "cenozoic expansion pack" would make more sense

[dawn flame]

anteosaurus is a good pick

[dawn flame]

Megalania would also be really cool for Cenozoic, maybe replace DInocrocuta with it and rename the DLC to "Cenozoic expansion pack" or something

[shy vale]

what about sinomegaceros as an alt for megaloceros?

[toxic oriole]

As far as I recall, people have said something about existing species ingame not receiving anymore alts

With at least one of them supposedly having an exception

[shy vale]

i see then

[wary nacelle]

Livyatan isn’t really realistic as you literally cannot keep whales in zoos, and what sea world does is really horrible. Koolasuchus is also definitely too big.

[autumn plover]

Hopefully it’s Lambeosaurus so we can get Lambeosaurus magnicristatus

[shy vale]

is eryops bigger than koolasuchus?

[flint sable]

no but probably a lot more active

[quick ore]

Literally none of the animals in game are included under any assumption that they could be reasonably kept irl.

[wary nacelle]

Livyatan would still not be a good idea

Neither would megalodon

[coarse inlet]

that's silly

we have the largest land animal ever in the game already

plausibility is long since irrelevant

[quick ore]

yeah this game literally has sauropods lmao

Plus there are plenty of animals that can't survive in captivity that we would have no way of knowing if they were fossil species, like Indris or Great White Sharks

[quick ore]

If you think Livyatan and Megalodon shouldn't be included because their modern day relatives die easily in captivity then you might as well extend the same to any giant, fully aquatic marine animal because they could have just as easily died in captivity.

Like for all we know mosasaurs were ill-suited to zoos too. These sorts of questions aren't relevant to this game. The only actual species we should refrain from adding are hominines.

[coarse inlet]

or things that wouldn't work for gameplay reasons

[quick ore]

yeah

I can understand feeling this way about zoo sims with extant species like Planet Zoo but these are extinct animals and their inclusion in the game would be a net positive when it comes to introducing said species to a wider audience with accurate reconstructions. It isn't something like a whale where people can appreciate them via other video games.

[eager thunder]

You could release it into the wild and have those portal things that they had between New York and Dublin for a minute

[eager thunder]

I feel it’s fairly safe to assume that Pachys will get in game but I would like this feathered paleo meme thing to be a skin or variant or something

[wary nacelle]

I also don’t want mosasaurs either

Like genuinely

[dawn flame]

yeah :( i heard seaworld is pretty awful but could you elaborate? Is this for all whales or just the ones that need far too much space to ever realistically be kept in a zoo and be okay

i know the same thing happens with great whites and other large sharks

[wary nacelle]

Well one, whales, like all other large sea animals, would need insanely large tanks in order to be happy in their habitat. Whales aren't stagnent, they are constantly migrating throughout their parts of the ocean and that's really why they aren't suitable for zoos, the same goes for great whites.

[dawn flame]

i think there definitely needs to be stricter requirements on zoos giving animals space in general. Seeing leaopords being kept in tiny enclosures always made me so sad as a child

[dawn flame]

i figured as much

i know Livyatan was a lot smaller than a blue whale and slightly smaller than sperm whales but the amount of space they would probably need is still massive

i imagine that's probably why we'll never get megalodon either if they do ever add aquatics

[wary nacelle]

It's also why they wouldn't likely add Archelon as the same thing applies

[dawn flame]

oh yeah i forgot sea turtles need to migrate as well

i wonder if the same is true for dinosaurs like edmontosaurus and pachyrhinosaurus. Is it known whether or not they migrated south for the summer? since the regions that some species lived in got pretty cold

[tulip umbra]

This is a game. Not real life simulator.

[static flame]

not relevant for a zoo

[dawn flame]

that's fair, but what if they still try to migrate? Even birds kept in warm indoor conditions still try to fly south for the winter

that's just nitpicky assumptions though as idk if it's known whether or not any dinosaurs migrated

[alpine thicket]

This is all pretty irrelevant for a video game.

Also of note is there are some whales, albeit few, that do fine in captiviy.

Specifically Belugas.

[coarse inlet]

why

[dawn flame]

yeah true lol

but PK does aim for some level of realism, that'd being said i doubt they would specifically not add a creature due to speculatory migration needs

[coarse inlet]

restricting all the cool stuff for aquatic stuff for really arbitrary realism would be lame as hell

like why would you do that

[alpine thicket]

"we managed to simulate migration via waterflow technology" or something I don't know

Doesn't need a major excuse.

[coarse inlet]

like Zoo Tycoon let you have humpbacks

who cares

[alpine thicket]

Or any excuse.

[coarse inlet]

it's a game, let us have cool shit

[alpine thicket]

It's a game, it's acceptable to break from reality for things like this.

[tulip umbra]

Not even a hot take, just a garbage take

[fiery crow]

“Masiakasaurus isn’t coming” don’t be a killjoy dude

[dawn flame]

it's one of my fav dinosaurs but i think there's a lot of theropods that are more likely to be added instead. Would be so happy if it was added tho!

[shy vale]

i mean there aren't noasaurs so far right?

[dawn flame]

there aren't a lot of things

[warm ice]

Honestly I’d say it’s more realistic than Giganotosaurus

Cus like
Masiakasaurus is a noasaurid

And the giga would be the THIRD large carch in the game after Acro and Carch itself

[proper raven]

the humble beluga:

[autumn plover]

“Carcharodontosaurus with a chin” fans will be outraged if they hear you say that

[ancient ibex]

Carcharodontosaurus without a chin is a meme tho

Giganotosaurus without big nasals is already in-game, so an extra based on that will sell

Lower effort headliner to finance work on more technical stuff and diverse critters

[vast berry]

We should get Mapusaurus

[ancient ibex]

It is literally Giganotosaurus but less popular

[vast berry]

At least it coexisted with Argentinosaurus

[shell sonnet]

They'd just be alts

Combining those two with Tyrannotitan makes the most sense to me

[toxic oriole]

Would Taurovenator be the only one to NOT be an alt for the others on account of the crest?

[left spear]

Eh, 3 alts that are essentially the same would be boring

Giga + Mapu/Tyranno + Meraxes imo

Meraxes is ever so slightly more unique

[shell sonnet]

Taurovenator's exact position in Carnosauria isn't clear. It's been recovered outside of carcharodontosauridae.

[shell sonnet]

Eh. We don't have a complete skull of these guys so how different (or close) they are to each other is debatable. Meraxes and Carcha are the two we have non-fragmentary upper skulls of.

[ancient ibex]

At times found further away from Giga than Carcha, and not quite that unique?

chubutensis, carolinii and roseae are the same lineage over time pretty much, quite consistently found forming a clade

[eager thunder]

Stokeasaurus

For that Zt2 rep

[shell sonnet]

The the upper skulls of the others range from fragmentary to unknown, whose to say Tyrannotitan doesn't look more like Meraxes.

[ancient ibex]

The uniqueness of the foot claws is also... nah?

We don't have Giga's

I honestly find weird how people hyperfixate on preserved details as "the thing that tells it apart from the others"

[desert flame]

It is not clear whether Pachycephalosaurus had feathers all over its body.
If it did, it is thought to have been feathers like those of Psittacosaurus.

[eager thunder]

I’m not arguing it’s a scientifically accurate representation, just a visually cool one

It’s unlikely a Pachyrhino had fur like in game but it’s there cause it’s cool

[desert flame]

Ah, I see.
But judging from the model of PK's old Prenocephale, feathers may not have been added like in Pachyrhinosaurus.

[eager thunder]

Well im not exactly making a prediction more a “this would be cool”

[abstract compass]

for such a large theropod i would say its intriguing. but its not a feature i would automatically slap on every other carch just because meraxes had it. Either way Meraxes is rather far down on the wishlist for me atleast in the venue of carchs.

[eager thunder]

All the games animals already are planned this chat is nothing more than a “this would be cool” chat

[tulip umbra]

Well said

[shell sonnet]

At the moment, I'm fine with getting no more Carchas; Herrera, Cerato, a therizinosaur, Albert, and Deinonychus are my biggest wants for theropods outside of the confirmed ones. And I'd rather the devs focus on getting more cenozoics, paleozoics, and non-dinosaur mesozoics included. Dinos are mostly in a good spot at the moment.

[abstract compass]

i think cerato is one of my highest wishlisted theropods alongside Concavenator.

third would be Eustreptospondylus.

[desert flame]

I hope that there will be as many mammal species as there are dinosaurs, and of course the same for other prehistoric creatures.

[peak hazel]

dinosaurs are more awesome so more of them is fine

however

there are a lot of weird cenozoic guys I'd like to see

[shell sonnet]

I personally think that having twice as many unique habitat mesozoic dinos as habitat cenzoic animals is fine; dinos are more popular. Having said that, the ratio is currently 4:1. That needs to change.

[desert flame]

true

I know that in the future Megatherium, Doedicurus, Ambulocetus, Bos, Daeodon, and Hyaenodon will be added, but even so, I think there are still too few mammals compared to dinosaurs

[shell sonnet]

Ideally, I'd have it as this:
50 dinos (we have 37)

• 20 theropods (currently we have 15 in-game/confirmed)
• 7 Sauropodmorphas (currently we have 5)
• 8 Thyreophorans (3 in-game/confirmed)
• 8 Ornithopods (which we have)
• 7 Marginocephalia (we have 6, so we just need Pachycephalosaurus)
  25 Cenozoics (we have 8)
  10 Paleozoics (we have 0)
  10 non-Dino Mesozoics (again 0)
  5 recently extinct (0 again)
  That's 100 animals right there. It's a big ask, but I think it works.

[peak hazel]

we end up with 95 at the end of ea?

[shell sonnet]

Species, not mains

[peak hazel]

oh yeah

[ancient ibex]

There is also the issue of the Cretaceous lasting longer than the entire Cenozoic (and as long as the Jurassic and the dinosaur-bearing Triassic put together).

[plush nacelle]

Should be 54 spots at least

Not counting vivariums

[peak hazel]

I'm counting alts and vivariums in that number

[desert flame]

Probably,92

[peak hazel]

this was before mau lied

[plush nacelle]

Mau constantly increase this number with vivarium animals

[peak hazel]

we're at 72 now

[desert flame]

mistake

[peak hazel]

8 in u17
3 in u18
12 in u19

[fresh ember]

Like I've said previously, I wouldn't be surprised if it gets rounded up to 100 even come U19.

[low kelp]

Since vivariums have an amphibian theme, I think Beelzebufo would fit in very well there

[fiery crow]

let’s see if I can do this m’self

[fiery crow]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1N_azQ8FNPaXpsmLRkYY91z7xRGvhAFM7JX0F_z88b-8/edit?usp=drivesdk

[dawn flame]

is this not counting viv creatures?

[shy vale]

for sauropodomorphs, one could add a mamenchisaur, a dwarf sauropod (europasaurus or one of the hateg island ones), a dicraeosaur, or a rebbachisaur

i think personally i would add a dwarf sauropod and a mamenchisaur

actually for the dwarf sauropod i think maybe it would be a smaller sauropod, titanomachya

it was found in the same formation as carnotaurus

[fiery crow]

• Mamenchisaurus/Xinjiangtitan
• Amargasaurus
• Europasaurus
• Nigersaurus

it would be a crime to not include Diplodocus so it’s automatically taking a spot

so now I’m only left with one of these

Thyreophora is gonna be a bit more tricky for me

Edmontonia is a must but idk about Miragaia

[mint creek]

Kentro or riot

[fiery crow]

ofc I’m gonna include Kentro

it’d be a crime not to

final count so far

[shy vale]

you chose kunbarrasaurus over stegouros?

also i think instead of gargoyleosaurus i would've gone with spicomellus

[dawn flame]

Spicomellus >>>

[dawn flame]

YESS

[fiery crow]

Spicomellus is fragmentary though
like
super super fragmentary from everything I understand

Stegouros would work as a vivie imo
I was gonna include Scutello but I feel like it might be the same case as Stegouros

[quick ore]

to be fair, it is good for Australian rep

[fiery crow]

Sauropelta > Edmontonia?

final count now, replaced Edmontonia with Sauropelta

[shy vale]

i don't really vibe with gargoyleosaurus tbh

[left spear]

Replaced Gargoyle with Stegourus/Antarctopelta

[fiery crow]

it fills the same role that Scelidosaurus does

Stego’s already there though

[shy vale]

yeah but i think spicomellus would've been better in terms of a more basal ankylosaur

[fiery crow]

ah

[left spear]

The little guy

Besides Gargoyle pretty nice list

[fiery crow]

Theropoda for me so far has been kind of a mess

[shell sonnet]

It doesn't

[shy vale]

a noasaur should fill the last spot

[fiery crow]

I’m debating on replacing Tarbo with something else

[shy vale]

isn't tarbosaurus an alt?

[shell sonnet]

Tarbo is an alt

I don't count it

[peak hazel]

what is Pachcephalosaurus grangeri

[shy vale]

i think i would go with a noasaur (unless you put that in the vivarium), and one of dilophosaurus/sinosaurus/dracovenator/cryolophosaurus

[shell sonnet]

a junior synonym

[coarse inlet]

It’s the original name before it was synonymized with Troodon wyomingensis

[peak hazel]

wouldn't it be P. spinifer

[fiery crow]

I was gonna say Conca but we already have a carcharodontosaur

[peak hazel]

as the alt

[shy vale]

for cenozoic i would definitely want to add a chalicothere

[quick ore]

no birds? 💔

[fiery crow]

I’m saving those for Cenozoic

[shy vale]

vivarium has archeopteryx (and microraptor and yi)

[fiery crow]

keep in mind this is only habitat species so far

[shy vale]

i think there should be kelenken?

[fiery crow]

100% for the Cenozoic

[quick ore]

Dromornis 💯

[shy vale]

also i know that microraptor and yi aren't "birds"

[fiery crow]

aka Bullockornis?

[fresh ember]

I'd say Genyornis since it has a different skull to tell it apart from Gastornis.

[fiery crow]

realistically speaking I would only add one or two Cenozoic birds to the game during EA

[shy vale]

also barinasuchus

[quick ore]

what? no Dromornis

Bullockornis is outdated

[fiery crow]

ik

I just like the name Bullockornis cuz it sounds funny

[shy vale]

but for cenozoic animals, kelenken, barinasuchus, a chalicothere, an entelodont would be nice

[quick ore]

nah, Dromornis is the largest dromornithid and adds mid-cenozoic representation for Australia

[shy vale]

also ambulocetus?

[quick ore]

which is otherwise heavily pleistocene

[shy vale]

also deinotherium

[fiery crow]

Cenozoic is probably where I’m gonna go crazy

[shell sonnet]

I'll just post my dino list
Herrerasaurus ischigualastensis
Coelophysis bauri
Dilophosaurus wetherilli
Ceratosaurus nasicornis
Carnotaurus sastrei
Torvosaurus tanneri/ gurneyi
Baryonyx walkeri
Spinosaurus aegyptiacus
Allosaurus fragilis/europaeus/jimmadseni/anax
Acrocanthosaurus atokensis
Giganotosaurus caroliniiCarcharodontosaurus saharicus
Albertosaurus sarcophagus
Tyrannosaurus rex/Tarbosaurus bataar
Gallimimus bullatus
Deinocheirus mirificus
Nothronychus mckinleyi/Neimongosaurus yangi/Therizinosaurus cheloniformis
Citipati osmolskaeOviraptor philoceratops
Utahraptor ostrommaysi
Deinonychus antirrhopus
Velociraptor mongoliensis
Plateosaurus trossingensis/gracilis
Mamenchisaurus youngi/hochuanensis
Diplodocus carnegii/hallorum
Apatosaurus ajax/Brontosaurus excelsus
Camarasaurus supremus/lentus/grandis
Giraffatitan brancaiBrachiosaurus altithorax
Patagotitan mayorumArgentinosaurus huinculensis
Scelidosaurus harrisonii
Kentrosaurus aethiopicus
Miragaia longicollum
Stegosaurus stenops/ungulatus
Kunbarrasaurus ieversi
Sauropelta edwardsorum
Edmontonia rugosidens
Ankylosaurus magniventris
Muttaburrasaurus langdoni
Dryosaurus altus
Ouranosaurus nigeriensis
Iguanodon bernissartensis
Parasaurolophus walkeri
Corythosaurus casuarius
Edmontosaurus annectens
Pachycephalosaurus wyomingensis
Psittacosaurus mongoliensis/sibacurus/sp.
Protoceratops andrewsi
Nasutoceratops titusi
Styracosaurus albertensis
Pachyrhinosaurus canadensis/lakustai/perotorum
Triceratops horridus
Leaellynasaura amicagraphica

[fiery crow]

I’ve finished most of the dinos methinks

[warm ice]

Camarasaurus moment

[shy vale]

i wanted to add a smaller sauropod

[fiery crow]

time to move to the Cenozoic
where I’m split as to whether or not I should include stuff like Ambulo or wait for pineapple to give his take on what the aquatics should ideally be if they ever get added

[shy vale]

like europasaurus, paludititan/magyarosaurus, ibirania, or titanomachya

[fiery crow]

I was thinking on Europa but we already have a camarasaur in EA

[dawn flame]

Amargasaurus or Nigersaurus

[peak hazel]

makes sense to represent all 3 though

[shy vale]

amargasaurus with bajadasaurus alt

[shell sonnet]

This is purely terrestrial but Ambulo would make the list

[shy vale]

wait actually what about brachytrachelopan?

[shell sonnet]

It's semi-aquatic

[fiery crow]

fair enough

[fresh ember]

Plot twist; We get Amargosaurus with an alt, but it's Dicraeosaurus.

[shy vale]

sinosauropteryx would've been a nice alt for compsognathus

[fresh ember]

Vivarium species don't have extra skins, let alone alts.

[shell sonnet]

Paleozoic
Dimetrodon grandis/limbatus/angelensis
Moschops capensis/Ulemosaurus gigas
Cotylorhynchus romeri/hancocki
Ophiacodon mirus/retroversus
Anteosaurus magnificus or Titanophoneus potens
Inostrancevia alexandri/latifrons
Edaphosaurus cruciger/pogonias/boanerges/novomexicanus
Scutosaurus karpinskii/Pareiasaurus serridens
Estemmenosuchus uralensis/mirabilis
Eryops megacephalus

Non-dinosaur Mesozoic
Ornithosuchus woodwardi
Cynognathus crateronotus
Baurusuchus salgadoensis
Desmatosuchus spurensis
Lotosaurus adentus
Shringasaurus indicus
Postosuchus kirkpatricki
Placerias hesternus
Deinosuchus hatcheri/riograndensis/rugosus
Mastodonsaurus torvus/giganteus

[peak hazel]

I forgot that Mastodonsaurus isn't Palaeozoic

[shy vale]

for paleozoic there definitely should be dunkleosteus and a trilobite

[fiery crow]

fully aquatic so. no.

[fresh ember]

That would have to wait until we see if aquatics are even doable.

[shy vale]

fair enough but there already is tiktaalik

[shell sonnet]

that's vivarium

[fresh ember]

Tiktaalik's a different story.

[fiery crow]

that’s kinda different though.

[peak hazel]

trilobites would also be vivarium
but we don't have aquariums anyway

[fresh ember]

It's not a free-swimming animal, it follows a semi-predetermined path.

[fiery crow]

added Megatherium cuz it would be a crime not to

[shy vale]

ok then, inostrancenvia, dimetrodon, edaphosaurus

and there should be like 2-3 different species of dimetrodon as alts

hylonomus would be like a vivarium species tbh

[fiery crow]

only way it’d be viable so. yeah.

[fresh ember]

Along with Suminia and Coelurosauravus.

[shy vale]

what about arthopleura?

[fresh ember]

Arthropleura is absolutely going into a vivarium.

[tulip umbra]

Stegouros supremacy

[left spear]

As much as i want It for 19 it's a post EA animal

[fiery crow]

would you put a millipede in a habitat, regardless of its size?

[peak hazel]

if boa is a vivarium then Arthropleura absolutely would be

[shy vale]

wait what about seymouria?

or eryops

[left spear]

Arthro can work on a habitat size wise, but it's a snake but worse, it's 100% a viv

[fiery crow]

vivarium for Seymouria. unsure about Eryops but I’m leaning on vivarium.

[left spear]

Why

It's a fuck ass Big Salamder

[fiery crow]

for Eryops it could really go either way

[shy vale]

actually for paleozoic basically the non-vivarium, non-aquatic fanuas, they are basically permian stuff

[left spear]

Realistically you can just Skip larval stage

[shell sonnet]

Eryops is like lion-sized

[limber needle]

i just want little sail charch

[shell sonnet]

Eryops works fine as an exhibit animal

[fiery crow]

Cenozoic is filling up FAST

[left spear]

I don't think It would work any other way, at that point make anything below a ton a vivarium

[fresh ember]

Vivarium Paleozoics:
-Acanthostega
-Arthropleura
-Coelurosauravus
-Crassigyrinus
-Hylonomus
-Mazothairos
-Meganerua
-Platyhystrix
-Pulmonoscorpius
-Suminia

[tulip umbra]

Ideally koola, tremato, mastodono, eryops, etc are free roam but we dont know what devs would decide on cuz theres no precedent

We’ve had that discussion many many times already

[shell sonnet]

Wait till U18

[fiery crow]

it’s nuts how crazy this has been filling up. I’m gonna have next to no space for anything else in seconds flat.

[shell sonnet]

Megacerops? Uintatherium? Diprotodon?

[limber needle]

oh guys btw if we ever get inostrancevia theres a good chance it will be fluffy, or at least have a fluffy skin (official PK concept art btw)

[peak hazel]

hyenadon?

and or Megistotherium

[shell sonnet]

It probably won't

[left spear]

Silvyornis?

[fiery crow]

my bias is making me lean on Megistotherium

[tulip umbra]

Why not both

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[fresh ember]

Wouldn't Silvyornis go into the recently extinct roster?

[left spear]

Tbf we have Perotorum, i could see one furred skin

[fiery crow]

already two birds, that’s enough for EA imo

[left spear]

Depends on where you put the boundary

[limber needle]

as i said, a fluffy skin like pachrhino, coelo and dilo

[shell sonnet]

I feel like Perotorum is an old relic

[left spear]

It went extinct like 3000 years ago

[left spear]

A new relic would be nice

[shy vale]

what about archaeothryis?

[left spear]

Eh

At that point just have Seymouria

[fresh ember]

Well for one, I was today old when I was informed of its existence.

Second, I chose to limit myself to 10 species for now and picked what made the most sense, so to speak.

[left spear]

Oh wait nvm it's a synapsid lmao

Why did i think It was an amphibian

An ophiacodont

[peak hazel]

wait what

[fiery crow]

I’m tempted to put Coryphodon in but realistically a lot of people who weren’t familiar with pantodonts would be like
“who tf is this”

[left spear]

I mean Archeothryis

[peak hazel]

oh

I was going to say

[fresh ember]

You know what's really gonna such for the Paleozoic roster? Silurian rep.

[left spear]

But then again at that point just have Ophiacodon

[fresh ember]

There's not a lot I can think of that'd actually work, if at all.

[peak hazel]

Pterygoatus

erm

er

[fiery crow]

Pterygotus? Megamastax?

[peak hazel]

erm

[left spear]

Also, Oromycter?

Only pseudo-joking

[fiery crow]

those are the only ones off the top of my head but even then
Megamastax is just a jaw

I’d like to say Ainiktozoon but realistically. it’s a bit small.

[shy vale]

i would've put entelognathus

but that's like marine shit

[left spear]

Hey there's still Entelognathus

[shy vale]

i just mentioned that

[left spear]

Cool for a smaller Placoderm

[shell sonnet]

reduce this to 7; we already have 3 in game

[left spear]

Only other one i could see would be Coccosteus

[fresh ember]

This ain't EA-related. This is in general.

[left spear]

Wait three?

[shell sonnet]

Diictodon, Diplocaulus, Tiktaalik

[fresh ember]

Like I already said, just sticking to an extra 10 for now, may consider more in the future.

[tulip umbra]

Just make a mega list of all species like me 😀

[fiery crow]

so here’s the final Cenozoic roster for my version of EA. I’m probably gonna have to redo a bit of this.

[left spear]

Erm, where's homo

0/10

[fresh ember]

No homo.

[fiery crow]

Homotherium?

[plush nacelle]

But how do I make space for thylacoleo?

[left spear]

Wait actually yes

Where's thylaco

[fiery crow]

the one I’m feeling like replacing the most right now is Corypho

[fresh ember]

Switch it out with Synthetoceras!

Quickly!

[plush nacelle]

Moeritherium can go tbh

[left spear]

I'd say Uin tbh

Never been a fan of it

[plush nacelle]

Modern moeritherium aint this impressive

[shell sonnet]

I heartily disagree

[left spear]

Idk

I just feel like it's a hard DLC animal

Thylaco could be aswell but not as much

[shell sonnet]

I mean this is all post-ea theoretical anyway.

[fiery crow]

Coryphodon < Synthetoceras
Arsinotherium > Moeritherium
Toxodon > Uintatherium

[shy vale]

would've kept uintatherium, but swap out moeritherium, coryphodon, and castoroides

[peak hazel]

no

not casterodies

[shy vale]

fair enough

[peak hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/hundreds-of-beavers-runnin-funny-run-gif-12300518006294095185

[fresh ember]

Leave the beaver.

[fiery crow]

Corypho would be good for a 1-star imo. but so would Syntheto.

[tidal estuary]

Camel>

[fresh ember]

And we need more hoofstock, anyways.

[shell sonnet]

I actually I'm amazed Gigantopithecus isn't on it (I actually kind of agree)

[shy vale]

but what if you replace it with josephoartigasia?

[fiery crow]

I was debating on Gigantopithecus

Josepho was probably a giant pacarana. not a capybara.

just so you know

[shy vale]

ok then

[fiery crow]

I’d like to have it

[fresh ember]

Yeah, the capybara analogy is a meme.

[fiery crow]

well. now that you brought up Josepho I’m split as to whether I should replace Casto or not.

[peak hazel]

no

I need the beaver

[digital pendant]

there are various actual capybara adjacent animals