Community Species Suggestions

[eager thunder]

Sinoceratops would be cool

[ancient ibex]

Eh

Still will keep pushing for Penta and Lepto+Udano

[fresh ember]

I want Diabloceratops.

[eager thunder]

Cool ass name

[mint creek]

Big Lepto+Udano fan for ceratopsians. The current roster is already really good but either/both of these would be a unique pick.

[left spear]

We're fine on Ceratopsids, but do we need quite a few ceratopsians

Lepto+Udanoceratops and Koreaceratops mainly imo

For Ceratopsids Just add Diablo/Machairo or Penta and we're fine

[eager thunder]

Wait what’s the difference

[left spear]

Ceratopsids/Ceratopsians you mean?

[eager thunder]

Yeah I didn’t know about that

[left spear]

Ceratopsids and the Big guys (Only Centrosaurins and Chasmosaurins)

All others are other families if Ceratopsians

[eager thunder]

So the biggest ones?

[left spear]

For example there's Protoceratopsidae or Leptoceratopsidae

[eager thunder]

Would that include Toro or do I miss understand?

[shell sonnet]

Penta, Chasmo, Zuni, Lepto, Medusa would all be great. But I'll honest, besides missing Pachy, I think Marginocephalians are okay at the moment. Rather we fill up on thyreophora first, to say nothing of non-dinos.

[left spear]

There's also Chaoyangsauridae but no one cares about that one

[left spear]

Essentially yes

[eager thunder]

I would prefer more Cenozoic mammals over ceratopsians rn

[left spear]

Anything over a ton

[eager thunder]

Alright interesting

Aren’t Ceratopsians and the smaller ones the most represented in game anyhow? Or is that Sauropods

[peak hazel]

are we really going to end ea with 4 Thyreophorans

half of them being Stegosaurus

[shell sonnet]

Those minis, I count them seperately

[shell sonnet]

Ornitopods have more as far main animals

well theropods beat them both but that's a larger group

[left spear]

I still think we need Koreaceratops and Udanoceratops

Extremely unique animals

[eager thunder]

I didn’t realize the game had that many of those 2 legged

[left spear]

Also tbf we have 2 non-cerstopaid ceratopsians

Psittaco which is so basal It doesn't even fit in any group and Proto

2 more on dlcs wouldn't hurt

[shell sonnet]

Koreaceratops is just a tail and some feet, it'd be a mediocre choice. Aquilops, Graciliceratops, Archaeoceratops or even Mosaiceratops

would be better

[left spear]

Okey but

Paleomeme

[shell sonnet]

Don't care

Don't know it

Don't want to know it

[left spear]

Semiaquatic

Because big tail and Lacustrine envioroment

That makes sense if course

Nah but It would also be nice Korea rep

They have essentially nothing else

[left spear]

Also tbf It wouldn't be the only animal added singlehandly because of it's tail

[peak hazel]

Leallynasaurua will never get a break

[shell sonnet]

Theropoda is a massive and diverse group. I there should be more of them than the other dino clades.

[peak hazel]

they're also the coolest clade

[cloud nymph]

U sure about that?

[peak hazel]

Yes.

[shell sonnet]

I'll going to be blunt about Leally. It wasn't a great choice given how little there is and no one that isn't Australian would be asking for it if it didn't appear in WWD. There were better small Ornithopods to include.

[peak hazel]

I like the design so I'm fine with it being ingame

even if its not the first thing I'd think of adding

[left spear]

Most diverse by a long shot tbf

[mint creek]

Leally goated

top 5 animal in the game

[left spear]

I mean sure

But with enough work any animal could be a top 5 animal

Doesn't make Tamarro a good choice

[cloud nymph]

I meant the cool part

[left spear]

Leally's desing is not good because of leally itself lol

[left spear]

Idk, diversity is pretty cool

[cloud nymph]

Sure

[shell sonnet]

PK doesn't have the wide variance in quality that JWE has. There's only a few skins I don't like.

[left spear]

Besides they have Kākāpōs so automatically 10/10 coolest thing ever

[cloud nymph]

But I just think ornithopods are cooler, but that’s just me being a basic normie with a shallow knowledge of paleontology

[left spear]

Which is your favorite

[cloud nymph]

Parasaurolophus

[mint creek]

I disagree. It being from Australia and far enough south to justify a boreal biomes is good for gameplay variety, Leally was a good choice. I'd suggest it for the game even if it hadn't been added.

[tulip umbra]

My favs are ceratopsids followed by ankys, its all subjective.

[left spear]

Fair, pretty cool animal

[left spear]

Okey but there are like 3 species that are literally the same

It's not a unique species by itself

It's coolest characteristic is probably not even it's

[cloud nymph]

I am just a fan of hadrosaurs, sure I only know a few basic ones like para, Edmontosaurus, Corythosaurus, and the animals shown in JWE but I just love their faces

[mint creek]

Are those three from an underrepresented continent and biome?

[cloud nymph]

They remind me of JarJar

[left spear]

Not a Hadrosaur but Tenontosaurus is pretty cool

[tulip umbra]

I think we can all agree its biggest reason for inclusion is the tail, it coulda been from hell creek or whatever, its the tail that mattered

[shell sonnet]

WWD

[left spear]

Both Australia and Boreal are unrepresented dinosaur wise simply because there's not a lot of stuff in there

And both of those have a lot of cool stuff still individually

[mint creek]

Yeah, so it's good that Leally got in since it helps with that

[left spear]

Sure, but what i mean is that it's role is not unique to it

It was a trivial choice picked by popularity

[peak hazel]

whens the polar Allosaurus getting added

sorry I mean THE polar ALLOSAURUS

[cloud nymph]

I assume it’s chosen mainly for the size, otherwise I’d expect Sinosauropteryx if it wasn’t for its size

[left spear]

It would be like choosing an european spinosaurid, you choose bary by popularity but there are essentially the same animal but different name

[shell sonnet]

Leally didn't live in boreal environments any way. That's a creative choice. The bigger question is why Mutta didn't get that option.

[cloud nymph]

Also this is a quite interesting creature

[left spear]

Ceratosuchops, Vallibovenatrix, Iberospinus...

It's cool, but not unique

That's it

[shell sonnet]

The gutting of Cloverly will not be forgotten

[mint creek]

I'm not saying that these are the reasons Leally was chosen btw, I know it's due to WWD fame

My point is the secondary factors make it an even better pick outside of the popularity side

[left spear]

It tends to have pretty cool desings aswell, was planned for PK at some point and lived with Deinonychus

[peak hazel]

I'd be surprised if we got Tenonto anytime soon

[left spear]

Ah it's defenetly a DLC species

[shell sonnet]

Mutta could (and should have made) have been made boreal. Kunnabarasaurus, Austrlovenator, Crylophosaurus would have been better Australian-Antarctic dino that could have been made boreal (as could any dino because that biome didn't exist back then).

[left spear]

But a very likely DLC species imo

[shell sonnet]

Not based on what we've seen

[left spear]

If they add Minmi without a Kunna alt i might crash out

[mint creek]

Agreed on Mutta. I'd also love to see those three added, Boreal needs more animals.

[tulip umbra]

Mutta killed tenonto, the question is if tenonto can get back up

[left spear]

It should

Very unique animal with a lot of benefits

[tulip umbra]

I hope it does

[left spear]

Cool size range, very unique anatomy and nice formation

[peak hazel]

actually speaking of can we get Cryo in the game

[left spear]

Also indirectly quite important paleontologically

As DLC sure

[mint creek]

Cryo is a banger choice

[left spear]

An Antarctica pack would go hard in general

Antarctanax 🙏

[peak hazel]

I'm a big fan of the jwe cryo so I have no doubts the devs could make a pk cryo even better

[left spear]

Even if innacurate a feathered skin would be just perfect

[low bridge]

Regaliceratops, Diabloceratops, Medusaceratops are crying in the corner

[shell sonnet]

Given how connected they were in the Mesozoic, probably a lot of dinos from Australia would exist in the Antarctic. Leally is found on the border.

[low bridge]

They want be in Prehistoric Kingdom

[eager thunder]

I wonder what the likelihood of actually getting a Deinonychus in EA is

[left spear]

I actually think that fantasy elements aside the Ark Cryo mod is a great desing

[eager thunder]

Alongside Utah

[peak hazel]

not likely

[mint creek]

It's so cool that Antarctica just used to be a liveable continent like any other. It would be so sick from a roleplaying perspective to create a section of the park that's "Antarctica of the past". Show how climate change can radically alter landscapes.

[shell sonnet]

Utah is U19

[peak hazel]

missing out Deinonychus before support ends wouldn't be right though

[shell sonnet]

They should include Lystrosaurus in it

[eager thunder]

I mean like in the game at all Ea

[left spear]

[eager thunder]

Not necessarily in 19

[peak hazel]

its peak

I forgot they readded cryo to ark

[left spear]

Ark modders on their way to make the most beautiful models known to man just to add them to a now dogshit Game:

[shell sonnet]

We don't know how the animals of U19 are coming out

They could be in PTB

[peak hazel]

I still have fun with ark

except breeding and mutations

[tulip umbra]

Too much feathers esp on the face for me

[left spear]

We have perotorum

Do a very feathery skin, a Snowmelt like skin then scaly skin

Everyone is happy then

[peak hazel]

I forget that snowmelt is feathered

[tulip umbra]

Id like a scaly skin and feathered like this

[eager thunder]

Love me that Elvis lizard

[left spear]

I fell off after Extinction/Valguero

[shell sonnet]

We already have Elvis lizard

[left spear]

Deinon was very cool tho

[eager thunder]

Why not both

The Elvis exhibition

[abstract compass]

huge fan of cryo ngl

[amber field]

may hope to get it at least post ea

[abstract compass]

no, now or die

[blissful wolf]

I would like to humbly present onychonycteris as a potential vivarium species

[left spear]

Funnily enough Dilophosaurus, Cryolophosaurus and Monolophosaurus aren't related at all

[amber field]

my top 5 dinosaurs

[left spear]

What is this spawn of Camazotz

[amber field]

and we can get some Jurassic prosauropods from antratica

[peak hazel]

not sure if it quite makes my top 5 but its awesome

also because I don't know if I could even do a top 5

[blissful wolf]

Cenozoic bat species :3 id love to see bats get added their so fun

[amber field]

for cryo , Majungasaurus , Mamenchisaurus , Polacanthus and trex of course and yi

[peak hazel]

well erm er

Deinonychus 1st

then I don't know
Acro, Styraco, THE ALLOSAURUS, Spinosaurus, T. rex, Iguanodon, Torvosaurus, Ankylosaurus, Cryo

I do also think Diplodocus and Camarasaurus are pretty cool

[amber field]

T.rex always on top list lol

[peak hazel]

it kind of has to be

its not my favourite but its objectively one of the coolest

[amber field]

I thought it was over rated before but man it deserved it

[peak hazel]

everyone reaches the point where they think its basic or overrated

but eventually you circle back around

[amber field]

yeah

[quartz estuary]

I would love to see this little guy for the vivariums. The Cronopio dentiacutus, the little mammal from the Cretaceous.

[plush nacelle]

I dont care how fragmentary these are

I demand cretaceous polar forests in PK

It sounds so amazing in concept

[steep carbon]

Yah know the one thing that disappointed me with this update is that we didn't get an animal show "ride".

Especially if it worked primarily with mini animals

That would have been rad

[quick ore]

I personally want Zuniceratops

[eager thunder]

The small fella

[quick ore]

ye, it's the horned ceratopsid that i want the most

and I will admit that there is bias from WDRA in there, but I also think the species itself looks cool/cute

and it fills a unique role

[eager thunder]

It does look real funky

[fiery crow]

WDRA is the reason I’d like to see Rutiodon in

[quick ore]

true

if nothing else you gotta commend WDRA for showing formations and species never seen in other paleodocs and for making that sick Dilophosaurus roar

[fresh ember]

WDRA is the reason I wanna see Desmatosuchus get added.

[quick ore]

and Zuniceratops

[coarse inlet]

I still think Smilosuchus is a better Chinle phytosaur tbh

[toxic oriole]

Remind me again, Smilosuchus has a specimen that had injuries on ALL of its limbs, right?

[coarse inlet]

yes

[fiery crow]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRsF_yN67GjdLdT8fsAabs71r_X534v6MUp920K7zlFL6QXc6MS2iw9xBXzT9pWtF_Qy_SZGzByk05JKkhsWOGkj3sbrhLfJoATgFfpbbo&s=10

[toxic oriole]

Ah yes, the snake ancestor, or A snake ancestor
Or just one of those super long lizards

skinks

whatever

[fiery crow]

Tetrapodophis amplectus, a snake-like reptile from the Early Cretaceous’ Crato Formation, located in Brazil. Most notable for its four disproportionately short limbs, researchers have debated whether or not Tetrapodophis is a member of Ophidia (the taxonomic group which includes snakes) or a member of Dolichosauridae (an extinct family of aquatic lizards considered to be the most primitive members of Mososauria). At 19.5 cm, it would be an excellent choice for Box-size vivies.

[toxic oriole]

How the hell do these long-ass lizards manage to turn around if their body is THAT long?

[quick ore]

haven't you seen a snake turn around?

[fiery crow]

well. it may or may not’ve been a snake.

[quick ore]

no i mean

it isnt hard to imagine something with a long body turning around

[quick tartan]

Demon Ducks, we need them

[quick ore]

Deinocheirus?

oh, dromornithids

[quick tartan]

yup, those creatures. I respect geese (was chased by the Canada sort as a 3 year old for the crime of having a SAMMICH)

And some of their weirdo relatives might be fun to have in game.

[quick ore]

they weren't literal ducks or that close to ducks but I think they would be awesome regardless

as far as actual ducks go I think Chelychelynechen would be really cool

Desmostylia isn't a species

[vast berry]

Desmostylus: a member of the only extinct order of marine mammals

Waimanu: an early penguing that lived in New Zealand during the Paleocene

Acrophoca: an early seal from the Pisco Formation. Wasn't a strong swimmer, preferring to stick to the shallows.

Hydrodamalis gigas: aka the Stellers' Sea Cow, a manatee that lived in the cold waters of the North Pacific and Bering Strait, hunted into extinction by sailors in the 17th century

Thallasocnus: a semi-aquatic giant sloth also from the Pisco Formation. Due to the dry land, it turned to the sea for sustenance.

Euclastes: a sea turtle from the Eocene

Sacacosuchus: a large sea-going Gharial relative from the Pisco Formation.

[quick tartan]

I'd nominae Smok, but I think we need more fossils of the old dragon.

since we don't know wtf it is

[cosmic cosmos]

Add Jorgie

Instead of Balaur or Oksoko

[vast berry]

Balaur will open a new dig site in Romania

[vast berry]

That's an English actress

[silver steeple]

Pretty sure they're referring to the mosasaur, Jormungandr

[cosmic cosmos]

Jormungandr

[silver steeple]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jormungandr_walhallaensis

[vast berry]

Here are the reasons for the picks:

• Lokiceratops (named after the Norse God of Mischief)
• Quetzalcoatlus (named after the Mesoamerican Serpent Deity)
• Balaur (named after a multi-headed dragon from Romanian folklore)
• Zupaysaurus (named for Supay, the Incan god of the underworld)
• Oksoko (named for a mythical three-headed eagle in Eastern European folklore)
• Livyatan (named after the biblical Leviathan)
• Citipati (named after Buddhist lords of the cemetery)

[cosmic cosmos]

Jorgie is the nickname of the specimen, like Big Al or Sue

[silver steeple]

I mean

That's not really reasons for the picks themselves

That's just explaining where the name comes from

There's a dozen other mythological names in paleo

Why these above any others

[cosmic cosmos]

Oksoko and Balaur are both rather redundant, though I do think Oksoko provides a little more. Jorgie is a better than both and still fits the criteria of the pack

[fiery crow]

isn’t Balaur kind of a nothingburger too

[plush nacelle]

Coastal Pack sounds interesting, especially if it came with buidling theme similar to PZ aquatic pack

[cosmic cosmos]

Essentially velo 2

[vast berry]

7 per pack

[tidal estuary]

Cryptid pack would be fun

[slender tangle]

Didn't you just post that?

[peak hazel]

vro did

2 hours ago

[slender tangle]

Triassic Pack

(Enclosure taxa)
-Postosuchus
-Placerias/Lisowicia
-Saurosuchus
-Desmastosuchus
-Shringasaurus
-Kranosaura
-Hererrasaurus
-Arizonasaurus
-Silesaurus
-Lotosaurus
-Tanystropheus

(Vivarium taxa)
-Dromomeron (terrestrial)
-Icarosaurus (arboreal)
-Thrinaxodon (terrestrial)
-Vancleavea (amphibious)
-Megalancosaurus (arboreal)
-Hyperodapedon (terrestrial)
-Doswellia (amphibious)

[pallid oyster]

Idk I'd replace it with like Daeodon instead

[desert flame]

Livyatan has also been in past concept art, so I hope it will be added in the large aquatic animal DLC.

[eager thunder]

The old PK logo looks like something I’d see on a kids book

Like dinosaur ultimate rumble or something

[shell sonnet]

I'll be frank, we should get Basilosaurus first.

[peak hazel]

true...

[eager thunder]

Archelon or itchy for me

[shell sonnet]

Livy also sadly suffers from the fact that the extant animal is weirder

[eager thunder]

Archeleon could be easier cause of how it’s works on both land and water

[shell sonnet]

Archeleon isn't a land animal

[desert flame]

I agree
If Ambulocetus is added, Basilosaurus should be added too.

[shell sonnet]

The only times it comes ashore is at birth and laying eggs

[eager thunder]

Wouldn’t it have givin birth on land?

Yeah well otherwise do we know that it exclusively was in the water?

[shell sonnet]

Yes

[eager thunder]

Nowadays you tend to see turtles on both sides of the isle

[shell sonnet]

Because modern sea turtles are like that

[eager thunder]

I thought those things went on land more often

[shell sonnet]

They spend pretty much all their life in the water

[eager thunder]

Hm

Might be confusing myself

[desert flame]

With the exception of Archelon, aquatic animals that have been able to move onto land are generally considered suitable for exhibition or vivarium use.

[eager thunder]

So Pinipeds have a chance you say

[shell sonnet]

Sure, if you don't mind the fact they can't dive

[eager thunder]

Like biologically or in game ?

[shell sonnet]

in-game

[eager thunder]

Well I wouldn’t mind then waiting for a better water animal system

[plush nacelle]

There is also plethora of early whales

[desert flame]

Yes, there were Pakicetus and Dorudon.

[fiery crow]

Rodhocetus
Protocetus

[plush nacelle]

Mammals in general. Cenozoic is rich in semi-aquatic animals

[fiery crow]

Pezosiren would be cool

[plush nacelle]

Good old times, when plesiosaurs were semi-aquatic for some reason

[desert flame]

If added, it would function as one of the few herbivorous semi-aquatic animals.

[fiery crow]

it has a complete skeleton too iirc

[desert flame]

this?

[fiery crow]

ye

Quiverzz is typing. is he about to do one of his daily suggestions? if so I’m hyped to see what it’s gonna be.

[tulip umbra]

Haha, yes. Just doing some research for description.

[quick ore]

a godly pack without Vasuki OR Wonambi is insane to me

[fiery crow]

aren’t Vasuki and Wonambi known from only vertebrate columns though

well
so is Titanoboa

[hollow flower]

I mean snakes mostly just consist of vertebrae

But this is what we know of Vasuki

[tulip umbra]

Wonambi is pretty well supported no?

Also yea, snake kinda only have vertebra and skull lol

[fiery crow]

kind of like how cartilaginous fish only really have teeth when it comes to how well they’re fossilized

[tulip umbra]

It kills me that all fossil manta rays are known only from teeth without size estimates

[quick ore]

also they are madtsoiids, I doubt they were that different from each other

snakes are typically very conservative right

[tulip umbra]

Jan 9th, Kosmodraco Dakotensis / Magnicornis. A large amphibious predator from the Paleocene. Like many other animals, it convergently evolved a crocodilian body plan even though it belongs to a very distant group of reptiles known as the choristoderes. K. magnicornis sported some very cool looking ornamentation on the back of its skull, but is slightly smaller than the type species K. Dakotensis which could grow to around 5m. Its skull was also broader than its contemporary relative Champsosaurus, analogical to crocodiles (Kosmo) and gharials (Champso).

[desert flame]

I hope Wonambi has a rainbow glow skin.

[quick ore]

ye like rainbow boas

[fiery crow]

any choristoderes in general would be nice. they came in so many different shapes and sizes.

[coarse inlet]

Elasmosaurus better keep that skin if it comes back

[slender tangle]

Dunk is gonna need a massive design overhaul tho

[coarse inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-inc-away-funny-gif-13470307

[fiery crow]

is it outdated?

[slender tangle]

It's David Peters

[fiery crow]

oh I had NO idea he was that hated in the community

[peak hazel]

how

[coarse inlet]

I had a dream last night that Kronosaurus was leaked and it had an iridescent looking blue and purple skin

[coarse inlet]

He’s a misinformation spewing jackass who’s either intentionally contrarian or the stupidest man alive

He thinks Homotherium is a dog lmao

[slender tangle]

He's an utter delusional quack that thinks he knows better than the entire paleontological community

[fiery crow]

I’m hoping any plesiosaurs/pliosaurs/mosasaurs, etc. end up getting the grey-on-top-and-white-on-the-bottom colour scheme. since that’s generally agreed to be accurate.

[median glen]

O Homotherium would be

Nice

[coarse inlet]

Yeah at least one skin with bold counter shading would be good

[slender tangle]

Countershading is near universal in large open-water creatures

[fiery crow]

gives me the same vibes as this

[coarse inlet]

It looks like it ate a bee

Anyway the dude’s an idiot

[coarse inlet]

I mean you can cut the last 5 words there

[desert flame]

I wish they were actually that color.
Plesiosaurs with vibrant colors are fascinating.

[coarse inlet]

It was really pretty, sort of a water monitor pattern but extremely vibrant

[fiery crow]

I just saw his Pteranodon wtf

[coarse inlet]

He literally traces photos of fossils in photoshop and claims that he found features missed by the people who examined the actual bones

Total crank

[slender tangle]

He thinks digital artifacts caused by tweaking images in photoshop count as part of the real fossils

[quick ore]

he thinks andrewsarchus was a giant tenrec

[fiery crow]

does he actually

at this point I’d believe anything you say about this guy

[coarse inlet]

Yes

[mint creek]

Pretty snake

[coarse inlet]

It’s basically impossible to make up anything dumber than the truth here

Anyway choristodires would be pretty great

[digital pendant]

He is an old person with legit signs of a mental illness. He has very wild takes that shouldnt be believed, but some folks take the bullying too far honestly

Not like peters is a saint really

[fiery crow]

Champsosaurus is probs the most likely

[digital pendant]

Just throwing my two cents about it

[coarse inlet]

He’s been doing this for like 20 years I don’t think that holds much water tbh

[coarse inlet]

Yeah though I’d love Hyphalosaurus and Cteniogenys

[digital pendant]

I have been told he does legitimately suffer from something

[fiery crow]

great choices for vivies

[digital pendant]

Schizophrenia or something along those lines

[fiery crow]

I’d imagine Ctenio’s minimum vivie size would be either a Box or a Small
Hyphalo’s would be a Small or a Medium

[coarse inlet]

Makes sense to me

A mid sized Champsosaurus would be Large only like Tiktaalik

[fiery crow]

I see people speculating vivarium types for different potential vivies. but what about vivie sizes for them.

[coarse inlet]

I have a list lol

[fiery crow]

well. I’d like to see it.

[slender tangle]

I can definitely see that

[coarse inlet]

Terrestrial box: Diablophis, Platyhystrix, Albanerpeton
Arboreal Box: Drepanosaurus, Petrolacosaurus, Suminia, Coelurosauravus, Gigatitan
Semiaquatic Box: Tanytrachelos
Terrestrial Small: Ceratogaulus, Araripesuchus rattoides, Scutellosaurus, Bolosaurus, Leptictidium, Thrinaxodon, Pulmonoscorpius, Aquilops, Eilenodon, Euchambersia
Arboreal Small: Darwinius, Venetoraptor, Jeholopterus, Meganeura, Microleo
Semiaquatic Small: Cteniogenys, Mesosaurus, Pleurosaurus
Terrestrial Medium: Adalatherium, Seymouria, Myotragus
Arboreal Medium: Diplobune, Dimorphodon
Semiaquatic Medium: Castorocauda, Didelphodon, Mekosuchus, Presbyornis, Dallasaurus, Henodus, Kayentatherium
Terrestrial Large: Orodromeus,
Arboreal Large: Avisaurus
Semiaquatic Large: Axestemys, Hibbertopterus, Brachychampsa, Habrosaurus, Ichthyostega

[fiery crow]

this makes sense

[plush nacelle]

Leptictidium might require medium vivarium at least

Probably depends on species

[coarse inlet]

Yeah I can’t remember which species I was thinking of tbh

[shell sonnet]

Missing Ichthyornis dispar, Kuehneosuchus latissimus, Euparkeria capensis, Deinogalerix koenigswaldi, Heterodontosaurus tucki. Also Scutellosaurus is bigger than Monokyus , so it has to be medium sized at minimum.

[fiery crow]

wouldn’t Arthropleura also work best in a Large Terrestrial?

[plush nacelle]

My favourite one would be probably something like brachychampsa

Basic as sahonachelys, but wetlands need small croc

[fiery crow]

there’s Bernissartia and Iharkutosuchus. unsure if they’re wetland species or not.

[plush nacelle]

I am personally fond of stangerochampsa

[coarse inlet]

Yeah I meant to put that there

[toxic oriole]

No actually, not that I can remember

I know I've seen snakes in person before

[coarse inlet]

Is it? It’s longer but that tail is more than half of it’s length

[toxic oriole]

One time I remember seeing someones pet snake

[shell sonnet]

It weighs more

[toxic oriole]

Okay NOW I remember how they move

Said snake was albino or something, I don't remember the details

[coarse inlet]

Wikipedia says otherwise

7.7 lbs vs 6 lbs

[shell sonnet]

I had it backwards

Still.

Medium vivarium

[plush nacelle]

Volacitotherum could be fun arboreal boz species

[coarse inlet]

True

[fiery crow]

either Box or Small

[plush nacelle]

Box, this dude is small

[coarse inlet]

It’s tiny, barely big enough for a box vivarium

[low bridge]

Leave Vivarium Alone we must focus our minds on more Cenozoic Creatures

[toxic oriole]

ooo

STOOFU

stooofu

[shell sonnet]

Most arboreal animals are going to be box. That's just the nature of life in the trees

[toxic oriole]

Even some of those giant arthropods?

Don't forget about them tree dwelling arthropods

[peak hazel]

Mike!

kill this guy

[fiery crow]

just scraping the minimum size, I’d imagine if something were like finger-sized then it’d be too small.

[toxic oriole]

Mike! Stooofu EZ this instant

[toxic oriole]

Tbh, even those much smaller critters get put into vivariums

[left spear]

Barely? So there's a chance huh 🙂

[toxic oriole]

Local zoo does it, why cant that logic apply HERE?

Infact, most zoos tend to do that at times

[fiery crow]

EZ really tried to pull a “stop having fun” on us 😭

[shell sonnet]

Some are big but remember that Microraptor gui has a bigger wingspan and longer than Meganeura

[fiery crow]

thing is, would we really want something we can barely even see like Hallucigenia or Opabinia?

[toxic oriole]

Hey it could open up an entirely unique enclosure

An enclosure thats quite small, but covered by something to make it LOOK larger from one side

[fiery crow]

that COULD work but realistically speaking I’m not sure if the devs would have the resources to do that or not

[toxic oriole]

Eh, it could just be a GIF image

[low bridge]

I think that we got like 10 Vivarium species in One Update so speculating which next mini is going to come to game makes no sense because Devs decide what is going to be added and Cenozoic rarely gets cool creatures

[fiery crow]

Jesse what the fuck are you talking about

[toxic oriole]

I've got a BETTER idea

[toxic oriole]

Why not some mammals that are from that one period that came DIRECTLY AFTER THE CRETACEOUS

That one Era

That one part of the Cenozoic

[peak hazel]

Paleocene?

[fiery crow]

U16 being as good as it is is WHY we’ve been speculating in the first place!

[toxic oriole]

The part of the Paleocene

[toxic oriole]

I think it was the first segment of the Paleocene I am thinking of

Why not get some of those animals from there?

[low bridge]

Don't call me Jesse

[peak hazel]

well theres several ways to split the cenozoic

[toxic oriole]

Danian

I see now

Danian epoch

[peak hazel]

there's
Palaeocene - Eocene - Oligocene - Pliocene - Pleistocene - Holocene

[fiery crow]

the Paleocene was such an interesting period. the Cenozoic didn’t really even start being the “age of mammals” until around the Eocene.

[toxic oriole]

The Danian epoch, lets get some Danian epoch species

[peak hazel]

alternatively you use the pk method of splitting it

Palaeogene - Neogene - Quaternary

[toxic oriole]

Lets represent species from the first of three epochs from the Paleocene!

Danian

[peak hazel]

Palaeocene is really weird so I want more of that stuff

[fiery crow]

Taeniolabis taoensis

[peak hazel]

is Gryposuchus from then

[fiery crow]

largest multituberculate

[fiery crow]

Miocene

[low bridge]

In last year we got like 6 mammals ( most Pleistocene) but DOZEN more would Fit

[toxic oriole]

Whats that sound/

[peak hazel]

no idea what big crocodile I'm thinking of then

[toxic oriole]

Guys, whats that sound?

[low bridge]

Miocene needs more Recognision

[peak hazel]

wait is Miocene between Oligocene and Pliocene

did I miss one

[toxic oriole]

Yes

It is

[fiery crow]

most of the Pleistocene animals we have were released WHEN EARLY ACCESS WAS FIRST RELEASED

[low bridge]

Yes OFC

[peak hazel]

Pleistocene is also one of the best represented eras so it makes sense that we get a lot of mammals from then

[low bridge]

Eobasileus is more interesting than most of Pleistocene stuff

[toxic oriole]

Whats the name of the armadillo again?

[peak hazel]

it basically just happened in geological terms

[peak hazel]

Peltephilus?

[low bridge]

Pelty the Peltephilus

[fiery crow]

Doedicurus? Glyptodon? Peltephilus? Macroeuphractus?

[toxic oriole]

I was referring to the one that came with U16

[mint creek]

Pelty is a good name

[fiery crow]

Peltephilus

[mint creek]

I'm gonna call my next one Pelty

[toxic oriole]

It is said Venomous snakes only started to appear at the end-cretaceous, I heard someone tell me that before

[low bridge]

We got Yi(n) but where is Yang?

[toxic oriole]

Yangchaunosaurus? God dammit.

[low bridge]

Yin and Yang

[toxic oriole]

You said yang, I thought of Yangchuanosaurus or however its pronounced

Too bad that ones... Fragmentary?

Idrk

[peak hazel]

its decently well understood

[toxic oriole]

That would be the Yang

[low bridge]

Yang is super cool

[shell sonnet]

Yang is not fragmentary. The holotype is pretty damn good

[toxic oriole]

Again, idrk much about the animal

So don't blame me

[mint creek]

Yang a great pick imo

[peak hazel]

it was in the old roster

[shell sonnet]

Yang's problem is there's quite a few big carnosaurs already

[peak hazel]

would be nice to see it back

[shell sonnet]

It's a good choice but it needs to wait

[peak hazel]

probably not before ea ends though

[hollow flower]

This is something ive always noticed but why does yangs skull look so different so often from other depictions?

[shell sonnet]

Problem because they just use Allo and call it a day

(I'm not privy on how to overlay skin on that head)

[toxic oriole]

And Allosaurus is coming to the game in the next update anyways, so uhhh

Yang is definitely gonna have to sit in the PK waiting room

Alongside some of the others

[tulip umbra]

Yang is pretty different from allo if u ask me

[hollow flower]

Different

[toxic oriole]

Aside from head shape? I noticed some differences quite quickly

[hollow flower]

But I wouldnt say too different to warrant inclusion any time soon unfortunately

[fiery crow]

see you when it gets added to the game in 2031

[toxic oriole]

Great, now I imagine there being a PK waiting room art piece

That just has all the confirmed species sitting down in a chair, waiting to be added

That could be some damn good fanart

Or even rumoured to be added species

[tulip umbra]

Yk Yang was on the kickstarter early access roster, hopefully devs havent forgotten him

[plush nacelle]

That thing is longer than meganeura lmao

[plush nacelle]

Eh. Big mammals took over pretty fast

[shell sonnet]

It wasn't on the post-EA idea list

[tulip umbra]

Thats not what i said lol

[mint creek]

It's one of Mau's favourites, he's playing this one close to his chest

[shell sonnet]

And I'm saying because it's not on the list, it has been forgotten

[peak hazel]

Mau is going to swap allo and Yangchung last minute

[mint creek]

Saurophaganax is actually code for Yang

[tulip umbra]

Those were just ideas btw, heavily subject to change to say the least

[peak hazel]

going to name a giant Yangchungasaurus Sauraphganax maximus

[shell sonnet]

They also remain the best insight we have into the minds of the devs.

[mint creek]

this is the only insight I need into the minds of the devs

[shell sonnet]

That man lies

[mint creek]

and yet you trust a blurred image he shared...

[tulip umbra]

That list doesnt even have recently extinct or dimetrodon, it is but a tiny glimpse

[shell sonnet]

To be fair, we don't know when those are coming if at all

[coarse inlet]

Ontogeny

[coarse inlet]

Or is for dlc

[tulip umbra]

The list he was referring is the post ea ideas list i think

[coarse inlet]

I know

Which is for free update species not dlc

[outer crater]

Sauroposeidon instead of oksoko

[ancient ibex]

That assumes the tease was the complete set of ideas

[cloud nymph]

For me it looks like the entrance gate of a park, like how there used to be zoo entrances with animal cut outs on them

[amber field]

is there any extinct south American camels ?

[silver steeple]

Afaik its just camelids, not camels proper

Llamas had to come from somewhere after all

[amber field]

yeah one of the camelids

[quick ore]

for the majority of their evolution camels have only ever been in north america

it's only recently that this has stopped being the case

[ancient ibex]

I believe the entire dispersal out of NA was a Pleistocene deal?

Similar to equids, very recent dispersal out of NA

Anyway, Aepycamelus may be llama line, so that alone would make it quite intriguing

One of the huge camel-line animals would also rock

[plush nacelle]

Quick wiki check

Camels dispersed out of NA in late miocene

[digital pendant]

There are pliocene llamas in SA

They dispersed down south as soon as they could

[ancient ibex]

And once again I believe the Plio-Pleistocene split is overblown lol

Last 5 MY

[shell sonnet]

The furthest south camelinis went (that we know of) would be in Honduras with a non-specific Camelops. Maybe they went farther south but we have no proof.

[digital pendant]

Same

[flint sable]

I would say they probably didnt cross past the Darien Gap

although saying that I actually dont know if that really properly existed

during the pleistocene

[digital pendant]

It did

[fiery crow]

my speculation for which (potential) vivies would have which vivarium type and what their vivies’ size would be (open to advice if need be):
Amphibious Box: Acanthostega gunnari, Beelzebufo ampinga, Castorocauda lutrasimilis
Arboreal Box: Gigatitan vulgaris, Coelurosauravus elivensis, Hylonomus lyelli, Longisquama insignis, Mazothairos enormis, Meganeura monyi, Petrolacosaurus kansensis, Sharovipteryx mirabilis, Sphenodraco scandentis, Suminia getmanovi, Volaticotherium antiquum
Terrestrial Box: Deinogalerix koenigswaldi, Diablophis gilmorei, Euchambersia mirabilis, Lystrosaurus murrayi, Najash rionegrina, Scleromochlus taylori, Tetrapodophis amplectus, Platyhystrix rugosis

[fiery crow]

Amphibious Small: Halszkaraptor escuilliei, Inharkutosuchus makadii, Mesosaurus tenuidens
Arboreal Small: Darwinius masillae, Plesiadapis tricuspidens
Terrestrial Small: Araripesuchus tsangatsangana, Ceratogaulus hatcheri, Eilenodon robustus, Leptictidium auderiense, Pulmonoscorpius kirktonensis, Secodontosaurus obtusidens, Thrinaxodon liorhinus

[eager thunder]

I feel like the devil frog would need slightly more than a small

[flint sable]

definitely not

realistically you could probably keep one in a 1m by 1m box with little issue honestly

fat fuck

and they dont often move

[flint sable]

not nessecarily that ethical, but doable

beel could definitely exist in the box one IMO

about the same size as the living Giant Chilean Frog

and honestly possibly similar in lifestyle if their relations are correct

[shell sonnet]

The frog is smaller than the turtle, box is fine

[flint sable]

tiny

[eager thunder]

I thought they where bigger than that

For some reason

[flint sable]

nah, basically every paleomedia lied about it

not your fault

ARK is the worst offender and its not even close

[shell sonnet]

Early reports gave it like twice the length

Turned out to be very, very wrong

[eager thunder]

Ah

I see

[flint sable]

but yeah there are living frogs bigger than beel

[eager thunder]

My ass that thing eats baby dinosaur

[flint sable]

the giant eocene from is basically what people thought beel was lol

in terms of size

even tho its like

1 bone

[flint sable]

I mean its not an impossibility, baby birds would definitely fit in its greasy maw

[eager thunder]

I can just imagine Nigel Marvin making fun of the “devil frog” for being a fraud

[flint sable]

baby Falcatakely falling out of the nest, bro would slurp that thing up with no complaints

[eager thunder]

Imagine vivarium breakouts and that thing eating like 10 baby raptors

[fiery crow]

Amphibious Medium: Anatosuchus minor, Bernissartia fagessi, Dallasaurus turneri, Gerrothorax pulcherrimus, Indohyus indirae, Mekosuchus kalpokasi, Phosphatherium escuillei
Arboreal Medium: Anurognathus ammoni, Ichthyornis dispar
Terrestrial Medium: Basilemys variolosa, Elginia mirabilis, Heterodontosaurus tucki, Hyperodapedon gordoni, Proganochelys quenstedtii, Protosuchus richardsoni, Scutellosaurus lawleri, Tiliqua frangens, Trilophosuchus rackhami

[open heron]

I'm fully expecting the 'GEC' to just have large limb proportions on a mostly normal amphibian.

[shell sonnet]

Okay, Indohyus is too big for small and Meganeura could fit in box

[flint sable]

meganeura could probably fit in a box but it wouldnt be comfortable in one, would be basically unable to fly

[shell sonnet]

Meganeura is smaller than Microraptor

[flint sable]

ye but moresoe talking about the way it flies

much less flexible than bird wings

[shell sonnet]

Anurognathus is a box animal

it's got a 35 cm wingspan

[flint sable]

also an insect is going to objectively be dumber than a birdlike animal so it would probably have more chance of freaking out and bonking into the glass, but thats pedantics

[flint sable]

iirc not even micro or arch are in the box

just Yi

[shell sonnet]

It's going to buzz back and forth

All the arboreals are box size

[flint sable]

really?

ohhhhh yeah

they can only fit 2

[vast berry]

Vivarium Animals from my packs:

Terrestrial:

• Leptictidium
• Propalaeotherium
• Lystrosaurus
• Bulbasaurus
• Dysalotosaurus
• Coelurus
• Afromimus
• Elrhazosaurus
• Anatosuchus
• Beezlebufo
• Madtsoia
• Adalatherium
• Didelphodon
• Hesperocyon
• Kvabebihyrax
• Balaur

Amphibious

• Gigantophis
• Koolasuchus
• Halszkaraptor
• Great Auk
• Pakicetus
• Euclastes
• Machimosaurus
• Goniopholis

Arboreal:

• Piksi
• Godinotia
• Apidium
• Mesadactylus
• Eomanis
• Eurotamandua
• Darwinius
• Rahonavis
• Asphalt Miniature Owl
• Nimravus
• Ekgmowechashala
• Plesiadapis
• Iberomesornis
• Icthyornis
• Miasis
• Eomys
• Danuvius guggenmosi

[flint sable]

Castoroides...???

thats the size of a black bear, you know that, right...?

[shell sonnet]

There are smaller prehistoric beavers

[open heron]

I figured that was a Castorocauda typo

[quick ore]

NIMRAVUS???

THYLACOLEO????

[open heron]

paloe-names are inherently similar for using the same root wo.. ok nvm that might've been genuine lol how do you fit Thylacoleo in an exhibit box.

[quick ore]

vivarium Thylacoleo is legitimately criminal and nonsensical wtf

also Pakicetus???

[open heron]

I wouldn't box this thing

[quick ore]

that's the size of a dog wtf

[shell sonnet]

you put it on the conveyor belts for one of those doohickeys that makes things cube shaped.

[fiery crow]

Amphibious Large: Bradychampsa montana, Champsosaurus annectens, Crassigyrinus scoticus, Eryops megacephalus, Hibbertopterus scouleri, Ichthyostega watsoni, Obdurodon tharalkooschild, Proterogyrinus scheelei, Saniwa ensidens
Arboreal Large: Avisaurus archibaldi
Terrestrial Large: Madtsoia madagascarensis, Palaeosaniwa canadensis

[quick ore]

are we ignoring the inclusion of Pakicetus

[shell sonnet]

Eryops should be a full exhibit

It's pretty damn big

[quick ore]

how would it breed tho

[open heron]

easy, nest site but ponds. (assuming amphibian eggs)

[shell sonnet]

They come out as small versions of the adult form

It's not like the baby dinos are nestling sized

[fiery crow]

NIMRAVIS? PAKICETUS? KOOLASUCHUS? MACHIMOSAURUS?

WHAT ARE YOU TAAAAALKING ABOOOOUUUUTTTTT

[open heron]

The devs already have the awnser for amphibian as full spec- WAIT WHAT MACHIMOSAURUS WAS THERE TOO?

[quick ore]

Nimravis is actually wild

[vast berry]

They can fit into large vivariums; if Titanoboa can fit, so can they

[quick ore]

omfg

[shell sonnet]

I actually I could imagine Koolasuchus as vivarium

[quick ore]

Titanoboa is a snake

it can't be in a full exhibit

[fiery crow]

TITANOBOA IS A SNAKE

[open heron]

There is a difference between snakes and crocodiles in cramped looking exhibits.

[fiery crow]

WOULD YOU KEEP A SNAKE IN A FULL EXHIBIT

[flint sable]

I mean crocodilians dont move that much relatively speaking compared to mammals of a similar size, but still definitely way more than snakes

[vast berry]

Nimravus was around the size of a caracal

[open heron]

Both might be done, but only one is actually healthy for the animal.

[flint sable]

not enough to where its that much of a difference, croc outside le boxe

[fiery crow]

HESPEROCYON IS NOT ARBOREAL

[quick ore]

first of all it's Nimravus not Nimravis

[open heron]

If your issue is nimravus being boxed and not this then idk anymore.

[fiery crow]

I’m surprised nobody else noticed this

[open heron]

Thatallosuchians are not normal crocodiles, they were likely fast moving active predators in the open oceans.

[quick ore]

second of all it is bigger than Psittacosaurus

[fiery crow]

in what universe
in what universe is this a vivarium animal?

[open heron]

Mind you a normal crocodile of such sizes should still not be in an exhibit box

but this is also a pelagic pursuit predator

[shell sonnet]

You need to go back and re-measure your animals. Castorcuda would be fine in the box, for one

[fiery crow]

also why is Nimravus Arboreal

[quick ore]

ok maybe not bigger but the same general size

it isn't tiny!

[fiery crow]

are there any other examples? I’m open to critique

I’m just not really 100% sure what the minimum size for Box, Small, Medium or Large vivies should be

[quick ore]

no one does

[shell sonnet]

Give me a few moments

But I think starting with what's already there is a good way to begin

[flint sable]

there really isnt a fixed min or max

for each individual vivs

[quick ore]

it is also hard to know since like

[flint sable]

id say generally speaking if its less than 6 inches long, probably not at all

since otherwise it would be too small to see

[quick ore]

if you go strictly by overall length then you will be biased for non-bird dinosaurs and other reptiles vs birds and mammals

because of the presence or absense of tails

[fiery crow]

this makes sense

[open heron]

RQ btw, I'll leave my terrarium wishlist:

Arboreal:
Meganeura
Drepanosaurus
Sharovipteryx

Terrestrial:
Arthropleura
Scutellosaurus

Aquatic:
Gerrothorax
Procynosuchus

This is all I require to be appeased.

[quick ore]

hrm, I might as well do that too

[open heron]

Hard disagree because the box terrarium is dinky as hell and it'd be nice to have something you can put more than 1/2 of in it.

[fiery crow]

you could probably speculate the minimum size for all of them too (if you’d really like to)

[fiery crow]

way too many cool amphibians in prehistory for me to either agree nor disagree with this

[shell sonnet]

@fiery crow
Okay, the box list looks fine except Longisquama is arboreal. (It might also be too small, but that's a completely other story).

[vast berry]

If Crassigyrinus gets in, Nigel Marven would be happy to be reunited with his swamp monster again

[open heron]

Oh, BTW before anyone asks

When it comes to Hibbertopterus... give me full roam species or give me death.

[wary nacelle]

I think we should add hit animal Pseudocarcinus karlraubenheimeri for vivariums

[fiery crow]

fixed, also added Sharovipteryx to Arboreal

[vast berry]

I mostly stuck to the underrepresented Paleozoic era for this one

[fiery crow]

I could easily say you’re missing Prionosuchus or Platyhystrix

[fiery crow]

8 inches, which is just pushing it

[wary nacelle]

I would propose Nyasaurus as it is the general consensus on earliest dinosaur but it is kinda fragmentary so uhh yeah

that's an understatement

[vast berry]

Err on the side of caution

[wary nacelle]

there are barely any bones

[vast berry]

I went with Liliensternus as it coexisted with Plateosaurus

[shell sonnet]

Tha'ts a good one, but add Kuehneosuchus; might be the largest glider.

For the smalls.
Beelzebufo is the size of the turtle. It will fit in a 4mx4mx4m box.
Mazothairos and Meganeura are smaller than Microraptor. They will fit in the box.
Deinogalerix would also fit in the box, it’s about Diictoodn size. Same with Lystrosaurus, Euchambersia and Scleromochlus (less than a foot in length).

I have to go make dinner so I’ll deal with the rest later. Just note that Indohyus major is now Khirtharia major. Indohyus indirae is still valid.

[tulip umbra]

Yes, its like the only crab species that has at least some coverage and its big enough

The only other crab ive found is Tumidocarcinus giganteus, which is slightly bigger

Callichimaera too small my cute lil bby

[fiery crow]

unsure of if Dollocaris is 1). a crab or if 2). it’s too small

[tulip umbra]

Its big enough imo

Its next to the human

Wip

[fiery crow]

I thought Ainiktozoon was too small

[tulip umbra]

A research paper says it can reach up to 13cm or so, still gotta adjust its size

[fiery crow]

I’d like to imagine it works like this #1360542295228944414 message

so close enough to 6 inches

[fresh ember]

The lack of Aegirocassis concerns me.

[fiery crow]

I had no idea Omnidens was THAT big btw

[fiery crow]

Aegirocassis is there, whaddya mean

[tulip umbra]

Wym?

[fresh ember]

Never mind.

I don't know how I missed it.

[tulip umbra]

I think the smallest animal i could see ever being added from that pic is the horseshoe crab Mesolimulus

[fiery crow]

yeah

I actually added Mesolimulus and Austrolimulus to my spec list thanks to you

you have a real funny way of making me want certain species to be added to the game

[fresh ember]

Would there be any eryonids big enough to make the cut?

[tulip umbra]

My biggest find from the arthropod rabbit hole is Palaeoisopus, i never knew abt it

Apparently its some kind of sea spider

[fiery crow]

so many of these I never heard of

[desert flame]

I agree that we want mammals, but I don't think that's the right way to put it. And you can add Pertephyllis mammals to a vivarium.

[fiery crow]

Pertephyllis

[eager thunder]

Have the devs ever outright deconfirmed Dimetrodon?

[flint sable]

just for EA, yes

well

wait yeah

for EA

[fiery crow]

what’s Pertephyllis?

[desert flame]

I'm talking about Peltephilus.
Sorry, I was wrong.

[eager thunder]

Unfortunate

But

That doesn’t de confirm others

https://tenor.com/view/cotylorhynchus-my-beloved-beloved-dinosaur-reptile-gif-22077496

[flint sable]

unironically I do think theres a non zero chance of Coty in U19

not a high one, but higher than just random

[eager thunder]

A man can dream

And boy am I asleep

[fiery crow]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRge0WZwTDwfgs3abZCb-T7vZT-5Q7l_8EHzzcYioP2y7kAlVzMUIHDn56r00JJDBbB1QnOtiFTHZBR7l264XB7bj0j-jNbkQtjwotHHA&s=10

Burgessomedusa phasmiformis, the earliest-known jellyfish. A perfect vivarium animal for if we get an aquatic expansion post-EA.

[eager thunder]

Seems a bit too aquatic to be likely

[tidal flame]

Guys I think all I want in terms of semi aquatics is Machimosaurus or Indosinosuchus

[median relic]

MAKARKINIA IS THAT BIG WTFFF???

[eager thunder]

Big and beautiful

[ancient ibex]

Ah, the hornidillo

[tulip umbra]

Makarkinia at the top is scaled to the hands on the side, still working on the layout, theres one scaled to the human above his head

Some species still need to be rescaled like Ainiktozoon, mesolimulus, walliserops etc

[vast berry]

Moschops my beloved

[eager thunder]

We know the real Permian king

https://tenor.com/view/cotylorhynchus-my-beloved-beloved-dinosaur-reptile-gif-22077496

[vast berry]

What about Dimetrodon?

[blissful wolf]

Im pretty sure dimetrodons confirmed for post ea

[eager thunder]

Dimetrodon shakes at the cotys mighty presence

[blissful wolf]

Oops i misread

[median relic]

oh mb I see it now

[proper maple]

if we got a bat for vivariums i would lowkey prefer desmodus draculae

[peak hazel]

That's not how it works

Titanboa is a snake so it doesn't move much
And is usually coiled

[low bridge]

That is how Snakes are living

[low bridge]

We all want more mammals but i want more Turtles

Carbonemys, Caninemys, Meiolania, Megalochelys

[lean hound]

genuinely the worst take I've ever seen in this thread

[grim lagoon]

Titanoboa is a giant noodle

It does twirl around to fit

I think a more accurate size to predict the size of animals we would expect to see on the large vivariums would be titaalik

Maybe a bit larger for large vivariums with just 1 animal

[plush nacelle]

This person is not wrong. Technically from husbandry standpoint all these animals could fit into large vivarium using minimum requirements. Afterall it meets standard for at least 1 camel or 1 zebra

[grim lagoon]

Wait, camels and zebras need that few stuff?

Didn't knew that

[ancient ibex]

The large vivarium is almost 200 square meters

Twice the size of my apartment

[grim lagoon]

Wow that's... More than twice my apartment

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-troll-face-sad-trollface-welp-gif-18524323

You know what I think pakicetus will be fine

[ancient ibex]

I believe people are going overboard with small animals for the large vivarium, when it has been made explicit it is for stuff that wouldn't work otherwise

The large-only stuff we have thus far is a massive snake, and a fish that can go on land at times

[plush nacelle]

It depends on country, but in some minimum space required is literally just 100 sq m

[grim lagoon]

I think we need more medium animals

We only have Mononykus right now

[ancient ibex]

Mononykus is a quite small animal in any case

[grim lagoon]

Yep, but it is a medium vivarium animal

The only one right now

[ancient ibex]

A grown Leaellyna is 5 times heavier

[plush nacelle]

Mononykus is interesting, because when you compare it to every other vivarium species it clearly stands out in size

Perhaps reminiscent of when mini animals were supposed to be free roaming critters

[ancient ibex]

Eh, it is just a bit taller than Compy, but not by much ngl

Well, not quite, Compy is going for German specimen size

But on the other hand

[amber field]

I think large amphibians can work there too

[desert flame]

Diacodexis and Uintatherium are necessary early mammals. I'm also looking forward to the addition of Hyaenodon and Daeodon, probably after EA.

[fiery crow]

Kayentatherium wellesi, a beaver-like tritylodontid cynodont from Early Jurassic Arizona.

[desert flame]

It looks similar to Castrocauda.

[shell sonnet]

More basal though

We actually have babies

[amber field]

did it lived along side dilo ?

[fiery crow]

Yes.

[shell sonnet]

For what i's worth, the beaver tail is speculative

[desert flame]

What this fosil?

[shell sonnet]

Kayentatherium

[desert flame]

Thanks

[low bridge]

Megacerops, Embolotherium, Eobasileus, Moeritherium, Platybelodon, Arsinoitherium where??

Dude

[blissful wolf]

What if we got vasuki indicus as another large vivarium species

[low bridge]

Devs Decide Dude

[blissful wolf]

Ohp its just a suggestion

I would looove more snakes their silly lil guys

Or big guys

[amber field]

we need a legged snake I think

like nijah If I write it correctly

[ancient ibex]

Madagascar toad and a few more Jehol near-birds would go hard, as would a small cynodont

As would WINGS ON MY BACK LEGS

Anchiornis as well, we pretty much have the pattern and the animations

[blissful wolf]

Oh for sure id love somthing like eophis underwoodi

I just love snakes and would like to see more present idc what kind, extinct racers, venomous, constrictors, tiny, big, idc just gimmee the snakes

I think its be neat to have a prehistoric viper but i dont know any extinct vipers personally

[amber field]

I would love to see some opposite birds

or maybe some sea snakes

[blissful wolf]

Ooo yes yes yes

[ancient ibex]

Opposite toucan and opposite hawk my beloveds

(Although Avisaurs would be heavily conjectural)

[fiery crow]

Falcatakely?

[amber field]

oh yeah , that peak converges

[blissful wolf]

Adding to the birds id love some sort of extinct parrot of sorts could be cool

Hawk would be so cool..

[fiery crow]

https://tenor.com/view/hawk-tuah-hawk-tua-man-hawk-tuah-smiling-friends-gif-4857289761919333999

[blissful wolf]

They could prob keep rapters to the large arboreal vivariums to i bet

[amber field]

if placed it with African horned bill , they will mistaken it for lol

[fiery crow]

we should get Gnatusuchus like we got Titanoboa

BEEG vivie reptiles for the win

[blissful wolf]

Thatd be so cool inlove reptiles sm

Vancleavea campi would be a cool one to

[fiery crow]

think it might be a bit too big, that Vancleavea that…

[blissful wolf]

Is it large?

I thought it was tiny oops

[amber field]

I was thinking about crocs , but snake were especial case of the largest vivarium's

[median glen]

Can I suggest this 2

[amber field]

those are from other lineage of birds right ?

[final quest]

Me want stupendemys

[slender tangle]

It is actually mind-boggling how big it is

[amber field]

I think it can work as exhibit animal

[grim lagoon]

I think we should add this interaction between keepers and the turtle we have

https://tenor.com/view/dance-turtle-happy-bath-cute-gif-14999193

[tulip umbra]

Think? It kinda has to be

[slender tangle]

My mind refuses to accept the picture on the left. The human for scale is clearly right there, but it doesn't feel real

[fiery crow]

Carlos for scale

[tulip umbra]

It rivals archelon, its probably bigger but not heavier

[grim lagoon]

JESUS, this would have to be max 2 per large exhibit

[slender tangle]

I bet that thing would've been big enough to EAT Carlos if it was still alive

[grim lagoon]

I knew stupendemys was big but seeing it in scale, very big

[tulip umbra]

That thing lived with purrusaurus, it aint safe if its not careful

[lean hound]

Idk if it could even fit in a large viv really..

[grim lagoon]

Ok, maybe 1 per large vivarium

[lean hound]

Still not very ethical imo

[tulip umbra]

Id want it in an exhibit

[fiery crow]

technically speaking you could fit anything in a large vivarium

it’s just

[grim lagoon]

Same

[fiery crow]

why would you

[grim lagoon]

Next vivarium species: Australopithecus 💀💀💀

[tulip umbra]

The only thing holding it back would be no diving but i could get over that

If it doesnt have diving id be fine with it

[grim lagoon]

Would it be necessary tho? We have spino already

[tulip umbra]

Crocs and spino youre kinda used to seeing them at the water surface all the time, turtles not as much but it would still be okay imo

[lean hound]

not the same

[grim lagoon]

Speaking of hominins, which would be the line for a zoo with them? Like at which point they would start considering them unethical

[lean hound]

Semi aquatic theropod vs animal that only ever goes on land to lay eggs

[grim lagoon]

True

[tulip umbra]

Stupendemys is not a sea turtle btw

So it very much could go on land

[lean hound]

I know

I mean, why would they

[grim lagoon]

Which would habe a funnier time becoming an invasive species in florida? Titanoboa vs stupendemys

[tulip umbra]

To rest, bathe in the sun etc, u see freshwater turtles on land all the time as well

[grim lagoon]

Assuming they survive the abiotic factors

[tulip umbra]

Imagine this with Stupendemys lol

[final quest]

YES

[lean hound]

Well yeah but my point still stands, turtles (freshwater or not) dive way more than an animal like spinosaurus would

[tulip umbra]

.

[fiery crow]

Axestemys would work for a Large vivie methinks

well
we don’t really know what the minimum animal size is for each vivie

[grim lagoon]

I think: ~2 m or more it goes on the large vivarium

[tulip umbra]

Jan 10th, Manis Palaeojavanica. When we think of armoured mammals, usually the armadillos come to mind. However there are many other mammal groups that evolved some sort of armour such as the pangolins, hedgehogs, echidnas and porcupines. Most of these stay on the smaller end of the scale and have never reached the heights of giant prehistoric armadillos, but one of them did come close.
M. Palaeojavanica is a Late Pleistocene giant pangolin known from a nearly complete skeleton discovered in Java and Malaysia.

[grim lagoon]

YES

[fiery crow]

I feel like super-sized versions of otherwise normal animals are slightly more cool than most (known) dinosaurs

[grim lagoon]

I think they are very cool, and fitting for the game specially

I think maybe also extinct animals that were close to corrently living animals would be cool, usually there wouldn't be a place on msot zoo games because we could just place the modern animal

But on a prehistoric game that space is open

[plush nacelle]

Sir, this is just pleistocene fauna

[grim lagoon]

I mean yeah

Also, toughts on Miopetaurista for arboreal vivarium

[fiery crow]

I’d prefer Volaticotherium

[grim lagoon]

Would be good too, I just want a gliding mammal

[tulip umbra]

Main difference phylogeny aside, is that Miopetaurista is like triple the size of Volatico

[grim lagoon]

Yep

Wonder if we have fossils of dermopterans

[tulip umbra]

Mixodectes is the only one i can remember from memory

[median glen]

Yep

[mint creek]

Hell yeah

[wary nacelle]

We should add erythrovenator
-# definitely not a joke

[lean hound]

Why do people even bother making genera for a single fragment

[toxic oriole]

Ask em

[flint sable]

cryptyrannus in PK when

[alpine thicket]

I think this is very important as an addition actually yes.

[wary nacelle]

When they add Pachycephalosaurus they should give it a bearded vulture skin

Actually no scratch that add Zavacephale as a vivarium animal and give it a bearded vulture skin

I love me a good zavacephale

[eager thunder]

This might sound off but what about penguin colored Pachys

Black and white with a touch of yellow in em

[wary nacelle]

And yet again

[eager thunder]

Maybe a bit big for a viv?

Like that’s at least pisstaco sized

[wary nacelle]

That’s a very small cat

The very last picture is more it’s size

[eager thunder]

Still seems a bit big

At least like, leaynelly sized

[tulip umbra]

Zavacephale is immature

[tulip umbra]

It was still very much growing when it died, so we dont know how big it got

[eager thunder]

So it could be Pachy sized for all we know

[tulip umbra]

Ye

[wary nacelle]

Noo don’t call him that he’s a big boy—
-# /silly

[wary nacelle]

That’s very unlikely

[eager thunder]

We love our silly guys

I personally really hope when Pachy comes we get a Stgymolch alternate

Or Spinnifer whatever they call it now

[wary nacelle]

D1 stygmilolch hater

I hope he dies

/joke

[eager thunder]

He’s got a cool ass name

And that’s all it take for me

Also apparently it’s valid in some way so yippeeee

[wary nacelle]

You know who else had a cool name

[tulip umbra]

Its complicated to say the least

[wary nacelle]

Dracorex hogwartsia

But look what happened to him

[eager thunder]

He’s named after a terf, rip bozo

/j

[tulip umbra]

Dracorex tho, most agree its a juvenile to either stygi or pachy

[eager thunder]

Other than the terf thing those suck

[flint sable]

its definitely a juvenile but whether its of pachy or stygi is uncertain as of yet

or if its a juvenile but of something else

[desert flame]

The large amphibious vivarium could also display Prionosuchus.

[rigid spindle]

I'd say priono is a bit too big for viv

Would it work as an exhibit?

From what I remember, temnospondyl babies were basically miniature adults

[left spear]

Technically not a marsupial but Thylacosmilus

[quick ore]

yeah I purposefully made it marsupials to leave out other metatherians like that

[tulip umbra]

Bohra excluded cuz arboreal?

[left spear]

Well out of these Wakaleo as a thyla alt

[flint sable]

would that work?

probably actually yeah

like doing juxia with paracer

[left spear]

It's essentially that yeah

[flint sable]

walakaleo is about 30 kilos in the biggest species

[left spear]

Same family, superficially similar, same basic anatomy

So there shouldn't be much issue

[flint sable]

the thylacoleo species people actually care about is approx 130 kilos

[left spear]

Well

As you said Paracer-Juxia

Waka is on the velo size range so still can be an exhibit

[quick ore]

yeah I excluded anything too arboreal

[quick ore]

and then Microleo can be a viv species

[left spear]

I mean

Not sure if we need 3 Thylacoleonids lol

But on a perfect world sure

[proper raven]

double the drop bears

also looking back at the stupendemys for vivarium, yea itd feel odd bc turtles are active animals most of the time

[desert flame]

Since Titanoboa was added to the terrestrial vivarium, I thought it would be possible to do it in a vivarium.
Also, Prionosuchus likely spent a lot of time in the water, so I thought a vivarium would be appropriate.

[proper raven]

unless stupendemys is like a mata mata or snapping turtle

[left spear]

There's also the issue of you know

It being fucking massive

[rigid spindle]

Titanoboa rarely moves, priono is probably a lot more active

[proper raven]

id think vivarium for large animals would or wont work depending on how active the animal is

[left spear]

I don't know how one would even seriously think of making It a viv

It's not like Titano where It can coil up

[proper raven]

idk the exact active level of priono so i cant say

[rigid spindle]

Large viv is 12x8x8, right?

[left spear]

Priono should just be an aquatic

[fiery crow]

would Bradychampsa or Gnatusuchus work for a Large vivie?

[left spear]

6-8m Priono most likely couldn't walk

And It lived in coastal waters

[proper raven]

yea but like would it lie in the floor like a giant salamander or actively wander around

[left spear]

Just make It an aquatic

[left spear]

That can just be a part of diving

And Again Priono is just too fucking massive (Assuming you do Big boy Priono)

Rather wait for Aquatics and diving than get early half-baked dissapointment

[rigid spindle]

Ig it's technically possible to squeeze a 6m long amphibian into the large viv, but not the most ethical

[fiery crow]

any big amphibians like Mastodonsaurus Pholiderpeton or Prionosuchus I feel just wouldn’t work for vivies

too big

[proper raven]

if mastodon sits all day in a corner maybe

[rigid spindle]

And a considerable portion of amphibious vivs are made up of land

[left spear]

The biggest amphibian i could see as a viv is Koolasuchus and that would be extremely lame

[proper raven]

if you want it to be an active predator then no

[rigid spindle]

So technically they don't get the full space

[left spear]

Masto also just probably can't travel any of the current vivs

[proper raven]

mastodonsaurus with pacman frog brain

[flint sable]

I would say it definitely makes more sense from Koola than Masto and Priono

[fiery crow]

Koola would be lame

[flint sable]

Koolasuchus is giving sit still for 27 hours a day vibes like the largest modern salamanders

[left spear]

Koola can defenetly workz it'd just be lame as fuck

[fiery crow]

the closest I’d ever want to a vivie “amphibian” would be Ichthyostega

[rigid spindle]

I doubt any large temnospondyl can go in the vivs

[fiery crow]

I know it’s not an amphibian

[rigid spindle]

Either too small or too lame

[proper raven]

koola just sitting underwater the entire day would be kinda what im expecting funnily

[left spear]

There's also no reason to make temnospondyls vivs

They don't go through metamorphosis

[proper raven]

iinm thats pretty shaky

[left spear]

Besides gill absortion

But i think that'd be doable

[fiery crow]

Ichthyostega isn’t an amphibian though

[rigid spindle]

The gill absorbing can probably work with seamless growth

It's like reverse megaloceros antlers

[left spear]

Yeah

[proper raven]

and some temnos iinm do undergo metamorpho

[fiery crow]

also I don’t think this was ever answered #1360542295228944414 message

[left spear]

So there's 0 reasons to make large enough temnos into vivs

[left spear]

Any relevant ones?

[flint sable]

legally amphibia can be either defined as any tetrapod closer to modern amphibians than it is to any others or as just Lissamphibia