Community Species Suggestions

[fiery crow]

apparently Charnia, Swartpuntia, Spriggina and Dickinsonia were considered a long
long
LONG
time ago

[tulip umbra]

Yea a bacteria also “fits”, whats the point?

[lean hound]

oh my god

anything but considering context

[fiery crow]

Ottoia
Wiwaxia
Opabinia

[deep lake]

i just found out
it coud move
we got tracks from it

some how..

you coud use dickinsonia in a touch tank

[plush nacelle]

Boreal permian fauna

I NEED

[fiery crow]

…a lot of people still probably wouldn’t consider it overtly interesting though

[left spear]

Okey fair if it's on a touch tank

Otherwise nah

That being said not like touch tanks are extremely controversial and arguably dangerous

[deep lake]

true
but paleo nerd woud love to

inclooding me

[deep lake]

not really

you know how many touch tanks there are?

trilobite as touch tank animal woud ne cool

[left spear]

Not talking about dangerous to humans

[deep lake]

oh yea

for the animal

true

[amber field]

can be for humans thought like stingrays

[coarse inlet]

do we HAVE any boreal permian fauna?

it's a very close relative of Pambdelurion so we have a good idea

[fiery crow]

Omnidens is lowkey so freaky

[coarse inlet]

such a good name too

[flint sable]

uhhhhhhhhhh

I dont know

but I do know that the permian did get cold

[plush nacelle]

With the way game works

Some animals from karoo basin could get boreal tag

[coarse inlet]

it did but we don't have much from the cold regions that I know of

[coarse inlet]

Karoo being colder is outdated afaik

[flint sable]

ye

[coarse inlet]

Gaiasia is the only cold weather species I've been able to identify

[flint sable]

ye

thats what I was about to say

I mean by proxy anything from the same formation would likely be just as boreal

so like

some fish

and bivalves

[coarse inlet]

ah

yeah

there's just one issue

[flint sable]

how what the fremouw formation

[flint sable]

at the time

[coarse inlet]

nothing but Gaiasia and the bivaves have names

[flint sable]

its mostly triassic but there is latest permian rocks

[coarse inlet]

Latest permian before or after the P-Tr greenhouse effect kicked in?

regardless all the actual fossils seem to be Triassic

[plush nacelle]

Then maybe

Mesosaurus

[fiery crow]

genuinely hoping Meso gets in. it’s important too since it was fundamental to discovering continental drift.

[coarse inlet]

it's also the first secondarily aquatic vertebrate right?

[fiery crow]

I think so

[flint sable]

iirc yes

unless you count Acanthostega

since iirc it was signifigantly more aquatic than even stuff more basal than it like Ichthyostega

or possibly something like Crassygrinus

[fiery crow]

I thought Crassi was fully aquatic

[flint sable]

but Mesosaurus was the first to go from completely terrestrial to semiaquatic yes

but some before it went from semiaquatic back to fully aquatic

like crassygrinus

[flint sable]

ye but there were more basal tetrapodamorphs in its lineage that were semiaquatic

so technically it went backwards

[steep tulip]

What's some cool permian vivariums critters
Apart from the obvious ones like meso, coelurosauravus, suminia
Dimetrodon?

[peak hazel]

you could have an alt species of dimetrodon in the vivarium

[amber field]

the largest flying insect ?

I forgot it's name

[plush nacelle]

Titan beetle

[hollow furnace]

Seymouria, Platyhystrix

[coarse inlet]

Euchamberisa

[fiery crow]

Xenacanthus
Seymouria
Euchambersia
Platyhystrix
Secodontosaurus
Elginia
Tetraceratops

[hollow furnace]

Lycaenops would probably be a flex case

Could be either vivarium or potentially full

[fiery crow]

yeah I was thinking maybe Lycaenops

[plain knoll]

Suminia??

[glass snow]

meganeuropsis

is the biggest flying inesct you are thinking of

[fiery crow]

Mazothairos was gigantic too

[amber field]

it's a dragon fly

[plush nacelle]

I am not even joking. Griffinflies hold the title for longest wingspan

But largest flying insect is either titan or goliath beetle

Like apparently meganeuropsis, which was the largest species

Was no longer than 25 cm

It was tiny animal with large wings lmao

[sharp dock]

Mazothairos would be nice

Also with titanoboa I really hope arthropleura is not completely out of the question

[plush nacelle]

Nar, I think most of us agree

Arthropleura is in U19

[sharp dock]

Huh

Really?

[flint sable]

its not outright confirmed but makes a lot of sense

[sharp dock]

Did they tease it or something

[hollow furnace]

Sort of

[flint sable]

more vivs have been confirmed for EA, specifically "fan favourites"

[hollow furnace]

Not directly but some indirect lines of evidence more or less

[sharp dock]

How many vivs are confirmed

[flint sable]

my personal theory is that its Meganeura, Arthropleura, and Leptictidium

[flint sable]

unknown number

[sharp dock]

Leptic would be epic

Epic leptic

[hollow furnace]

More vivariums are confirmed for fan favourites, and confirmed carboniforous animals as coming

[sharp dock]

Naniiiii

Hibbertopterussy my beloved

[flint sable]

all thats known is that theres "fan favourite" vivs in U19 and that carboniferous guys are coming yeah

[sharp dock]

That is obviously hibberto

[flint sable]

and Arthropleura is basically perfect for that

[sharp dock]

You stupid dumb FUCKS

[flint sable]

me when

[sharp dock]

(joke)

[hollow furnace]

would be epic

I need the Hib

[sharp dock]

Meganeura and arthropleura are like ewwwwwwwww bad and EXPECTABLE

Hibberto is the best boi

Imagine hibbertos going around, going and vibin

Truly, it would be the thing ever

[hollow furnace]

what did hibbers eat again?

[flint sable]

dirt

[sharp dock]

Pass the detritus

[shell sonnet]

Assuming Diplocaulus wasn't the Carboniforous animal

[fiery crow]

since we’re talking about animals we want to see in the game. what about an animal I don’t want to see in the game: Ottoia.

[hollow furnace]

from the implication I think it was probably meaning carboniferous bugs

[sharp dock]

No i wanna talk abt animals we wanna see ingame

[hollow furnace]

although you are technically correct

[sharp dock]

For example

[shell sonnet]

Too bad they're not

[sharp dock]

For example....

Uhhhhh

😬

[plush nacelle]

Based on U19 between 2 and 6

[sharp dock]

Wtf i cant think of anything

Between 2 and 6

[plush nacelle]

Depends on how many megatherium, doedicurus and edmontonia alts there are going to throw at us

[sharp dock]

Huh

[fiery crow]

like I’m not sure how they’d be able to make Ottoia work honestly

[sharp dock]

Edmontonia

God I truly should check the other channels on this server more often lol

Muh denversaurus

[flint sable]

indeed

[flint sable]

assuming those are even correct

I would say megatherium and doed are solid but edmontonia was shaky at best

[hollow furnace]

that is correct

[plush nacelle]

Good. I need 6 vivs

Eohippus stocks rise up

[sharp dock]

Edmontonia
E d montonia
En
Kelenk EN
Kelenken

!!!!!!!

[flint sable]

also wait a minute

this makes me realize

[hollow furnace]

I'm still holding out hope for suprise update 18 vivarium

[flint sable]

does arthropleura even have like

any

close relatives

in the fossil record

at all

[sharp dock]

Yeah

Theres like a smaller arthropleura relative i think

[plush nacelle]

Depedns

[sharp dock]

But honestly I wouldnt be surprised if they used titanoboa or something

[plush nacelle]

There is plenty arthropleuras and eoarthropleuras

[flint sable]

because more that I think about it

isnt it kinda weird that essentially all of the exceptionally large millipedes from the carboniferous/early permian are lumped into arthropleura?

in reality I think that seems kind of an absurdly long time for a single genus to live

they probably claded together yeah, but surely they would warrant seperate genera at least in some cases, no?

[plush nacelle]

Oh, eoartho is devonian

[flint sable]

most megafauna genuses typically last like 10 million years tops iirc

[hollow furnace]

I mean, they're monophyletic and not super different, I don't think there's any real reason or need to differentiate them on a genera level

[plush nacelle]

Werent most of them small?

[flint sable]

I mean yeah thats fair

but then again something about a single genus of megafauna of that size lasting 50 million years doesnt make sense to me

[quick ore]

Hibbert is highkey one of my most wanted viv species alongside Microleo and Deinogalerix

[sharp dock]

EoarthYOURMOMopleura!

[flint sable]

like for crying out loud, arthropleura is the only genus in its order btw

its next closest relative is indeed eoarthropleura, but thats also in its own seperate order

iirc eoarthropleura is a single specimen but theres quite a few arthropleura specimens across ~5 species iirc

as I said above they probably clade together

but under a single genus? prolly not

[quick ore]

I mean it was in the Carboniferous, perhaps terrestrial ecosystems were in an early enough state that a genus lasting that long wouldn't be so strange given the difference in how competitive said ecosystems were?

[flint sable]

I mean ig thats a possibility, and all the continents being quite close would help with that

but there are also other cases of this I can think of across paleontology that make little sense to me as well

[hollow furnace]

It wouldn't really be helpful to split Arthropleura into different genera. Like, in real life if we had living one they probably would, but working with their fossils it would just make things more complicated

[flint sable]

Morganucodon and Hyaenadon as examples

Hyaenadon is especially bad because aint no way there is something the size of a lion and something about half a meter long in the same genus

[quick ore]

Varanus:

[flint sable]

that would be like putting the entirety of felidae in a single genus, at least thats how it seems to me

[flint sable]

oh yeah varanus is infinitely bad but at least they all form a clade

[fiery crow]

technically speaking it’s really called Megalania

[flint sable]

just elevate the subgenera to genera and thats basically fixed

[flint sable]

Morganucodon is bad because aint no way something the size of a mouse lasted like

50 my

as a single composite genus

not to mention theres like 6 species

[quick ore]

huh?

[fiery crow]

oh I thought you were specifically talking about Varanus priscus

[quick ore]

I was referring to the genus

[flint sable]

nah varanus the genus

thoughts on my genus rant?

[plush nacelle]

Mighty tarsier

[flint sable]

this probably is a good take

[plush nacelle]

With genus lasting 45 million years

[hollow furnace]

It's important to remember taxonomic classifications are tools, not rules

[peak hazel]

Varanus needs several revisions

[steep tulip]

I remember a comment of theirs that said arthropleura would be too hard to animate

I hope in the chance they arent considering arthro, that they change their mind because you can animated it with waves

https://tenor.com/view/centroid-centipede-bug-gif-12538493

since thats how they walk irl

[plush nacelle]

Consider this

Devs will cook

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/praying-crying-downfall-sad-tears-praying-gif-7785197299162436598

Im acting out of character

arthropleura in u19 trust

all in

[sharp dock]

Devs cook
Its titanomyrma

[hollow furnace]

out of character?

lmao

[sharp dock]

https://tenor.com/view/daah-wut-wtf-looping-gif-14366863

Best viv spices to evah exist
Leptictidium (iconic rat that jumps)
Leptictidium (iconic rat that jumps)
Leptictidium (iconic rat that jumps)

[plush nacelle]

Suminia, arthropleura, pulmonoscorpius, meganeura, leptictidium, eohippus U19 trust

[sharp dock]

Eohippus should be habitat

[plush nacelle]

This tiny mfker?

[sharp dock]

Yes

[plush nacelle]

I think the only viable early horse like creature for habitat is bigger propalaeotherium species

[quick ore]

I mean that depends on what you categorize as an early horse

[plush nacelle]

I think palaeotheres can be classified as such cause hyracotherium is one

[sharp dock]

Leptictidium
Deinogalerix
Beelzebufo
Idk what else

[fiery crow]

I don’t know about you but I personally wouldn’t put a horse in a vivarium

[plush nacelle]

I mean

Any particular difference between it and mononykus?

I just follow rules set by PK regarding size and it just happens that most dawn horses dont meet criteria for habitat

[flint sable]

whats a dawn horse

oh like early horse and horse thingies

ok

[plush nacelle]

Horse thingies I think

Cause back then it used to be one, but now plenty of them

[flint sable]

ye

funnily enough the earliest one isnt even a horse anymore

poor hyracotherium

[plush nacelle]

Sifrhippus is as old

[coarse inlet]

something the size of a fox terrier

[low bridge]

Are U joking with Titanomyrma?

[sharp dock]

Yes because titanomyrma is dog

[left spear]

Dumbdass

Tyrannomermy is cat

[low bridge]

Titanomyrma is Cotylorynchus and Cotylorynchus is Sivatherium so Titanomyrma is Black Hole

[cloud nymph]

Can we get three cheers for Ektopodontidae ? I just checked the list of Phalangeriformes and picked the first extinct species on the list

[quick ore]

Ektopodontidae isn't a species

[sharp dock]

I forgor

Plesiadapis

[cloud nymph]

I initially said Ektopodon before discovering Chunia which Wikipedia doesn’t list for reasons I am yet to learn so I decided to mention the whole family instead.

I just want to show people that the pinacle of evolution exists in the form of Phalangeriformes

[proper maple]

if we get aquariums i would really like to see panderodus

[coarse inlet]

too small I think, sadly

[fiery crow]

20 - 40 cm, Sahonachelys is 25 - 30 cm

not too small

[coarse inlet]

I'm seeing 40-55 mm

[coarse inlet]

what's the source?

[cloud nymph]

Yea that looks like a Google AI result

[fiery crow]

got some similar info from Facebook

[flint sable]

otherwise theres Iowagnathus for Conodonts which is like

a meter long

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowagnathus

big boy

[coarse inlet]

thatd work

[fiery crow]

aren’t lampreys the only remaining conodonts technically

[coarse inlet]

no

[fiery crow]

they’re jawless fish still

[coarse inlet]

conodonts are a different clade

[fiery crow]

would Cephalaspis be too small

[coarse inlet]

I dont think so, Wikipedia says trout-sized

A large Saurichthys would be a good aquarium fish

[fiery crow]

I was thinking

Stratodus would be neat too

[coarse inlet]

Stratodus would rule but definitely would need to be a habitat animal

[fiery crow]

there’s a lot of really cool fish we could get

[coarse inlet]

it's very big

A WIS DLC after we get a general aquatic DLC would go hard

[fiery crow]

I’m hoping for Ptychodus, Leedsichthys or Titanicthys

[coarse inlet]

Habitat Species
Styxosaurus
Dolichorhynchops
Stratodus
Protosphaeryna
Xiphactinus
Hesperornis
Enchoteuthis
Globidens
Ptychodus

Vivarium Species
Pachyrhizodus
Enchodus
Didymoceras
Dallasaurus

Scenery Species
Inoceramus

[toxic oriole]

So what Western Interior Seaway version is this?

[coarse inlet]

Mostly Niobrara

[toxic oriole]

Curious though, what was the youngest plesiosaur and/or pliosaur?

Like, one of the last of them?

Screw it, Icthyosaurs too

[tame thorn]

my cenozoic bingo card.

[left spear]

No Barinasuchus 🥀

But solid

[amber field]

ahhh you mean the largest in term of body size

[plain knoll]

[rigid spindle]

Lipped dunk looks just as cursed as it does reasonable

Reminds me of a megamouth shark

[plain knoll]

Blobfisshh

[civic terrace]

Reminds me of a catfish without barbels.

[hidden ivy]

I reckon a homotherium would look neat

yk the sabertooth which most likely had lips

this fella

[slim flare]

Yeah

Homotherium is my Deinonychus of the Cenozoic

[hidden ivy]

how so?

[hollow flower]

thats a really good description of it

[fiery crow]

Homotherium wasn’t an actual sabre-tooth cat right
like they were barely related if at all

[fresh ember]

Saber-tooth is sort of a blanket term for machairodonts.

[slim flare]

Which it was one

[fiery crow]

oh I must be thinking of the nimravids

[spring ridge]

it was a machairodont but the farthest from smilodon in the machairodont subfamily afaik

so still related

[coarse inlet]

You're probably thinking of Hoplophoneus

[alpine thicket]

lipped dunk isn't even reasonable

[rigid spindle]

It isn't?

[alpine thicket]

It is not, I'd have to check again but a recent study delivered the coup d'grace on an idea that was always very shaky.

[left spear]

It also just looks bad

[hollow furnace]

I don't even know where the idea of fleshy lippy dunkle even comes, like, just, look at a fish

[left spear]

Lipping of dinosaurs?

Which is very funny taking into account the main reason lips even exist

[mint creek]

The lip agenda will continue until every prehistoric animal can be yassified

[slow shoal]

the idea for lipped dunk was because all modern aquatic predators have them

sharks specifically were cited

[alpine thicket]

It doesn't look like sharks when they do it and also its jaws are really not like sharks anyway, so it was always kind of doofy at least to me.

It ends up looking like a weird mutant wolf eel

[coarse inlet]

The thing is that Dunleosteus doesn't really have

uh

teeth

[alpine thicket]

It has bone blades.

[coarse inlet]

ok actually that makes me wonder

The blades weren't covered by keratin were they?

Because if they were, we'd have a name for that

[alpine thicket]

I don't believe so?

[coarse inlet]

cool

because calling that a beak would feel real weird

[fresh ember]

A number of articles keep saying the blades were covered in skin, but something about that doesn't feel right. Especially if they're self-sharpening.

[alpine thicket]

I don't know why anyone would think they had skin coverage honestly

that's kind of fucking insane

[fiery crow]

that’s the one yeah

[steep tulip]

Don't think there's something against "teeth" covering, but the botox lips are just cursed lol

[glass snow]

It is more complicated it would have not been lipped

at least in a full covering

but it would have not looked exactly like the skull. It basically would have had some form of upper lip but the blades would be fully visible.

but basically they wouldn’t be covered

but it would techincally have lips but not the kind of lips people are thinking of

i could be wrong but from what I know dunk’s “teeth” were exposed

They definitely did not have modern fish like lips though.

smth close to the green dunk in the picture though not exactly from what I know is kind of dunks facial anatomy

[alpine thicket]

Green dunk but the upper blades more exposed I believe?

[feral cedar]

Styxosaurus might be irrelevant considering that Elasmosaurus might very well be added as a general aquatic

[coarse inlet]

Yeah that's what I was thinking, adding it as an alt

[fiery crow]

since Plesiosaurus is probably gonnza gets in as a general aquatic too

picturing Cryptoclidus as an alt. for it maybe?

[coarse inlet]

they're pretty different

[glass snow]

yeah

[alpine thicket]

Given how the blades function the heavy lipped stuff was always super goofy.

[grim lagoon]

We need Phorusrhacids so bad

Kelenken my beloved

[dawn flame]

yesssss

Beelzebufo is a must

would love Masiakasaurus too

[toxic oriole]

More madagascar

Can't get enough of Madagascar!

[grim lagoon]

We need medium vivariuk species! Perfect place for Arthropleura

The buggo already has a statue

[grim lagoon]

I need this just for this

[dawn flame]

okay final FINAL wishlist

posted previous version in general already

star means i rlly want :)

(Not including species already speculated to be added)

[grim lagoon]

I should make a list

[dawn flame]

trimmed down more realistic version

[dawn flame]

yess you should!

[toxic oriole]

I hear something about the Moa being confirmed

Or I remember something about them saying the Moa was confirmed

... Oh wait

Maybe I'm thinking of the Wild Horse stuff

[dawn flame]

i imagine it'd be for the "recently extinct" DLC idea?

[toxic oriole]

Yeah, alongside Quagga as one of the Wild Horse stuff

[grim lagoon]

Moa not longer confirmed, humans hunted it again 🥺

[grim lagoon]

Wait fr? That sounds great

[toxic oriole]

Thats what I've heard people saying

The Quagga is coming, alongside equus ferus ferus as far as I remember

Then again, I think the Wild Horse might be something else

[dawn flame]

no Moa??? 💔

[toxic oriole]

I just don't remember

[hollow furnace]

yes, soft confirmed

For the recently extinct DLC

[coarse inlet]

I’d prefer Aepyornis but Moa is great too

[toxic oriole]

Elephant bird when??!?!?!?!?

[left spear]

13 years

[dawn flame]

did you end up making one?

[grim lagoon]

Not yet, I got a migraine so I'm avoiding electronics right now

[magic python]

Parapropalaehoplophorus, just to see if Nigel can pronounce its binomial name within five seconds

[dawn flame]

that's real??? 😭

[left spear]

Worst thing is that only hoplophorus is the actual name, rest are all prefixes

It's a chain from other genera (Hoplophorus, Palaehoplophorus and propalaeophorus)

Paleontologists be silly like that

[fiery crow]

“Parapropalaehoplophorus. What a interesting name for such an interesting creature.”

[fringe solar]

El problema es que no se sabe su aspecto en realidad. Solo se sabe de esta especie por un rastro de huellas fosilizadas y fragmentos de su cuerpo, pero nunca se ha logrado encontrar un fosil completo. Así pues solo se puede especular sobre su aspecto y su dieta.

[steep tulip]

Well this is only true for the biggest species

We have several complete ones and we actually know quite well what it could have looked like

[plush nacelle]

Which arthropleura species best for PK

[steep tulip]

The big one prob lol

[plush nacelle]

Arthropleura sp.

🗿

[steep tulip]

It isn't armata?

Well then arthropleura sp.

We already got psittaco sp.

Or go with oversized armata

[plain knoll]

Eusthenopteron

[ancient ibex]

Pheesh

Eusthenopteron, Acanthostega and Ichthyostega would all be nice to have

[dawn flame]

that's so funny

they had to be trolling

[steep tulip]

Parapropalaehoplophorus is actually cool
one of the smallest glyptodonts

[tulip umbra]

A new year, a new suggestion. Rusingoryx and Megalotragus would add some much needed diversity to the mammal roster. They are both pretty unique looking bovids that feel similar to the modern day Wildebeest.

[feral cedar]

(Not to scale)

[desert flame]

Adding more artiodactyls to the mammal diversity would be great. I hope that in the future, the ratio of dinosaurs to mammals in PK will be 5:5, but if we include vivarium, pterosaurs, and aquatic animals, I think a 4:4:2 ratio of dinosaurs, mammals, and other animals would be ideal.

[fiery crow]

early giraffoids like Prolibytheriun or Sivatherium would be cool

[desert flame]

Yes
Sivatherium in particular is popular and should be added.
Discokeryx might also be good.

[frosty torrent]

Hippidion and Hipparion

[desert flame]

I think a wide range of horse species can be added, from tarpans to hyracotheriums.

[slim flare]

Tarpans is a pretty useless term

I’d just use “wild horse”

Which are actually confirmed for the Recently Extinct DLC along with quagga

But I also really want Hippidion as another equine addition

[desert flame]

I'm looking forward to seeing wild horses in the recent Extinct DLC, and of course moas and thylacines too.

[slim flare]

Mhm

I hope we get elephant birds and moas

[low bridge]

Climacoceras?? Bramatherium???

Also Neat Addition

[quick ore]

if someone finds a new, unrelated genus that looks like that species they should name it Pseudoparapropalaehoplophorus

[feral cedar]

And if someone finds another genus that basically looks like another Pseudoparapropalaehoplophorus they should call it Paralipseudoparapropalaehoplophorus

[flint sable]

and then if someone finds the sister genus to Paralipseudoparapropalaehoplophorus they should name it Notoparalipseudoparapropalaehoplophorus

[feral cedar]

And when we find the beginning of the glyptodont lineage we name it Eonotoparalipseudoparapropalaehoplophorus

[blissful wolf]

I think it would be awesome to get a few more permian species such as dimetrodon, as an example i found this picture on google i think their mostly accurate

[feral cedar]

Dimetrodon was confirmed for post EA

[feral cedar]

Neither

Sivatherium reigns supreme

[low bridge]

How do U Know, How

[fiery crow]

I really wanna see some of the weirder giraffoids in general honestly

[tulip umbra]

I wanna see em all

[quick ore]

Sivatherium is undoubtedly more popular and would be a bigger draw than either Discokeryx or Climacoceras. It was a huge moose-giraffe that lived through multiple epochs across multiple continents and was even featured in ZT2, which is nostalgic for people who like zoo sims like PK.

[warm ice]

In an ideal world we'd end up with all 3, but..

[fiery crow]

Metopacanthus (unless it’s too small)

[hidden ivy]

Considering we’ve already got an arthropleura statue model already in game I reckon the arthropleura as a new vivarium species would be sick

[slender tangle]

Throwing my hat into the ring here:

Synapsids:
-Moschops
-Anteosaurus
-Lisowiscia
-Jonkeria
-Lystrosaurus

Mammals:
-Barylambda
-Coryphodon
-Uintatherium
-Eremotherium
-Thylacosmilus
-Stenomylus
-Thylacine
-Thylacoleo
-Casteroides

Birds:
-Dodo
-Dinornis (or any other moa)
-Sylviornis
-Aepyornis
-Titanis
-Psilopterus

Dinosaurs:
-Borealopelta
-Hypsilophodon
-Spicomellus
-Tenontosaurus
-Austroraptor
-Masiakasaurus
-Denversaurus
-Anzu
-Gigantoraptor
-Zalmoxes
-Guanlong
-Troodon/Stenonychosaurus
-Ornitholestes

Other Reptiles:
-Deinosuchus
-Meiolania
-Piscogavialis
-Barinasuchus
-Megalochelys
-Shringasaurus
-Desmastosuchus

Vivarium species:
-Cronopio (terrestrial)
-Mekosuchus (arboreal)
-Arthropleura (amphibious)
-Wonambi (terrestrial)
-Pachyrukhos (terrestrial)
-Coelurosauravus (arboreal)
-Darwinius (arboreal)
-Hyphalosaurus (amphibious)
-Eoraptor (terrestrial)

[hidden ivy]

Zalmoxes is an elite dinosaur pull

[toxic oriole]

Sometimes people are active here

Though I'll say this on account of some people
Palaeoloxodon is something the developers would consider Post Early-Access or something, including the dwarf versions of it

I don't know about the others like Deinotherium, maybe thats the case but I don't remember

... But yeah, more proboscideans would be nice

Don't let the Woolly Mammoth be the only one!

[safe willow]

the oners with freaky mouths like platy i would never use it they SERIOUSLY freak me out
glad if they come for the people that like them but eergg

[vast berry]

Don't offend the Gompotheres; they evolved for a specific environment

The Moeritherium and Deinotherium became famous from their appearances in 'Walking With Beasts'

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-alerted-the-horse-alert-deinotherium-walking-with-beasts-walking-with-dinosaurs-gif-3023295637816768770

https://tenor.com/view/mastodon-black-ranger-zack-taylor-mighty-morphin-power-rangers-once-and-always-morphin-sequence-gif-15663427380851910979

[plain knoll]

What is messel??

Is it a formation??

Some ornithopod?? Picks

Zalmoxes
Thescelosaurus
Camptosaurus
Tenontosaurus
Tethyshadros
Corythosaurus
Shantungosaurus

[vast berry]

Yes; the Messel Formation is a digsite in Germany that has fossils dating back to the Eocene, which shows a world that was covered by tropical rainforest, where mammals were small, birds were big, ants were huge, and crocodiles had hooved feet

[plain knoll]

Thank u

[toxic oriole]

Now to address this

[vast berry]

It was the main focus of the first episode of 'Walking With Beasts'

[toxic oriole]

I've seen people wanting Desmatosuchus and other similar animals to it

Wuerhosaurus though, I've seen people NOT wanting it

[plain knoll]

Some ceratopsids

Aquilops
Udanoceratops
Einiosaurus
Diabloceratops
Pentaceratops

[plain knoll]

Yeah I know but I don't the name of the place

[plain knoll]

It will good if replaced with miragaia?? Decentrurus??

[vast berry]

Not many people know that Stegosaurs lived on into the Cretaceous

[toxic oriole]

Yeah

And mind you Miragaia + Dacentrurus had made it to the Early Cretaceous or something, unless that information is outdated

If Dravidosaurus wasnt so questionable, it would've truly been the last Stegosaurid

Now Scuttelosaurus or however its pronounced... Some would say: "Whats the point of it when we already have Scelidosaurus?"

[vast berry]

A small armoured ornithopod that coexisted with Dilophosaurus

[toxic oriole]

I mean... That is fair, give Dilophosaurus some of its friends/prey items

[toxic oriole]

Early whales...

The beaver

[plain knoll]

Frr

[toxic oriole]

The OTHER big snake, except a more aquatic based one

The big caiman

The rhino with two horns

And two oddities

[vast berry]

And a crass name if you're British

[plain knoll]

Its not a rhino right??

[toxic oriole]

I say oddities because I have no idea what Ambelodon and Paleomastodon are

[plain knoll]

Cuz arsinotherium is elephant relative

[toxic oriole]

I'm not sure really

Arsinotherium just kinda resembles a rhino to me

[vast berry]

Arsinoitherium is what you get if you put a rhino, hippo and elephant into a blender

[toxic oriole]

Oh so they're RHINO-LIKE animals

But not true rhinos

Damn you, convergent evolution...

[toxic oriole]

Cross Madtsoia off the list

and uhhh

Yeah lets get some more Madagascar representation yo!

... Oh wait

I mistook Madtsoia for Titanoboa

God dammit

Yeah lets get Madtsoia madagascariensis

Largest mesozoic snake DESPITE WHAT GOOGLE'S AI SAYS

[toxic oriole]

Now I don't remember if some of these animals were considered for Post EA

But the Direwolf probably was one- Oh wait yeah it was

Short-faced bears too

[vast berry]

Only the American Lion is represented in-game, along with the Smilodon

[toxic oriole]

I think giant short-faced bears too, or some of them

You cant forget the horses

[plain knoll]

Lol

[toxic oriole]

Too bad the giant horse is considered dubious given what little remains we have of it

[toxic oriole]

The strange ones

Oh hey a horse-like animal

[plain knoll]

My picks of Madagascar pack

Majungasaurus
Elephant bird
Archaeoindris
Beelzebufo
Masiakasaurus
Falcatakely

[toxic oriole]

Deer? Impala?

Gazelle?

[plain knoll]

Maybe

[toxic oriole]

Now comes the question, what other pack ideas does this guy have?

[vast berry]

Synthetoceros is from its own family Protoceratidae; no modern relatives exist

[toxic oriole]

Ah, so basically like Homotherium and other Machairodonts

[vast berry]

yeah

Sivatherium, Titanotylopus and Eucladoceros were featured in Zoo Tycoon 2

[toxic oriole]

Yeah people are wanting terror birds

Even that Crocodylomorph over there

Rebeccisuchids, or however they are pronounced, are pretty much crocodylomorphs

Funny how Barinasuchus and Fasolasuchus look similar in some forms, but they are not even related!

[vast berry]

From the Central USA's famous Morrison Formation

[toxic oriole]

Ayep

Some Morrisons

And... Is that a croc-like animal? That one caught my attention

Never saw it before

Or heard of it

[vast berry]

Famous fossil site in Niger (the only animal represented is the Ouranosaurus)

[vast berry]

Learn something new everyday

[toxic oriole]

Yep

And Baryonyx is reportedly coming to the game at some point anyways

for free

[vast berry]

Anatosuchus (the duck-croc) would be another vivarium animal

[toxic oriole]

Adding that to the collection of crocodylomorphs with oddly shaped snouts

We got Simosuchus, now theres Anatosuchus

[toxic oriole]

I tell ya, it was a missed opportunity to make Giraffatitan the alt for Brachiosaurus

A seriously missed opportunity

[toxic oriole]

Eocarcharia could've been here, but uhhhh

Chimera stuff

[vast berry]

Something for the Portuguese players out there:

[toxic oriole]

Posting this here for you

[vast berry]

Ta

[toxic oriole]

Agreed on Torosaurus

Nanotyrannus too

Ornithomimus and Struthiomimus since apparently Struthiomimus may have been in Hell Creek

Didelphodon for a semi-aquatic mesozoic mammal

Acheroraptor could probably be swapped out for Borealosuchus as it is a Hell Creek animal

And yet, it SURVIVED.

It survived hell creek and made it to the Eocene

Oof, could switch out Denversaurus with that one Hell Creek turtle

Lepto though, I aint sure

Oh wait, the turtle and Borealosuchus are survivors of Hell Creek

Ah, Basilemys

Thats the turtle I was thinking of

Oh, it wasnt Basilemys that survived

Probably some other hell creek turtle

Oh well, I gotta sleep

[left spear]

Archeo is like half a jaw

Really nothing worth

I'd swap it with either Palaeosaniwa or Champsosaurus

[left spear]

Sure

[magic python]

Vivarium mosasaurs

Aigialosaurus

[humble herald]

Procoptodon goliah
Research location: Nullarbor Plain (Western Australia)

Thylacoleo carnifex
Research location: Nullarbor Plain (Western Australia)

Diprotodon optatum
Research location: Lake Callabonna (South Australia)

[low bridge]

My Morrison Formation Extra pack:
Ceratosaurus
Barosaurus
Camptosaurus
Haplocanthosaurus

[tulip umbra]

Jan 2nd. Second species suggestion of the year, Megalampris. A giant extinct relative of the modern Opah. It comes from the Oligocene of New Zealand and would serve as a great filler animal for other aquatic animals to cohabit with (like how Dryosaurus compliments sauropods).

[last thistle]

Ornitholestes*

[fiery crow]

bro forgot about the vivies

[last thistle]

Also gargoyleosaurus(idk how to spell it)

[shell sonnet]

Oh yes, the great aquatic animal, Dryosaurus 😉

[fiery crow]

Dryosaurus is aquatic? or did you mean Dyrosaurus

[last thistle]

I think they meant they cohabitate with a lot like dryosaurus

[tulip umbra]

I meant like how Dryosaurus is paired with sauropods

Lol

[fiery crow]

oh

[shell sonnet]

There's nothing wrong with the animal, it just suffers from there being so many good aquatic options that should come first that I doubt the devs would get to it.

[desert flame]

If aquatic animals are added, they will likely focus on well-known and popular species.

[tulip umbra]

For sure, im just gonna try and suggest one species every day of the year, many of which have a near non existent chance.

Also i wouldve said the same thing about Sahonchelys a couple months ago, but the stars aligned for that lil dude, he checked all the necessary boxes. Perhaps Megalampris or any of my future suggestions will do the same.

[shell sonnet]

Sahonchelys was a last minute addition that fit a very specific requirement (a semi-aquatic animal that could fit in the smallest vivarium). The chances of other such situations occurring are very slim.

[feral cedar]

Homotherium technically appears in La Brea’s tar but I don’t consider it a good addition for this DLC, replace it with Camelops

[shell sonnet]

(The surprise about Sahonchelys is more due to the fact that they didn't go with the frog; I guess the devs like turtles more)

[peak hazel]

Homotherium does feel like a good addition to the game

[feral cedar]

To the game? Yes. In a La Brea DLC? Ehhh

[tulip umbra]

Yea, thats what i said

[steep tulip]

Beelzebufo doesn't fit too well in current aquatic vivariums

So Im glad they didn't

[quick ore]

Sahonachelys gives me hope for more obscure, lower-hype viv species

[desert flame]

It would be nice if Beelzebufo was added as a surprise in the U18 release.
Or in the Madagascar DLC.

[quick ore]

general Madagascar dlc >>>> Maevarano dlc

it would free up RE slots and allow for more diversity

[shell sonnet]

That depends on how big DLC packs are

[fiery crow]

there’s so many cool species from the Maevarano Formation though
I think I’d prefer BOTH actually

[quick ore]

this is true, it is still very up in the air

once we know the format for dlcs it will make theorizing/building potential packs a lot easier and more fun too imo

[quick ore]

both?

[fiery crow]

#1360542295228944414 message

[quick ore]

I will be honest I doubt we will get a Maevarano pack AND a Holocene Madagascar pack

[tulip umbra]

I doubt we will get formation packs in general

[quick ore]

also a dlc being mostly vivarium species feels very unlikely to me, given those species would be seen as less important or enticing to players

[quick ore]

eh, I don't doubt it in general, but Maevarano is definitely unlikely

it doesn't have name power like Hell Creek, La Brea, or Morrison

[tulip umbra]

Also 16yo Timmy does not know Morrison or La Brea, they do know Australia or North America like PZ / Jurassic, carnivore, … like JWE

Up to the devs ultimately

[peak hazel]

I think if you know the name of any formations

[open heron]

formation packs are too limiting tbh

[peak hazel]

its Hell Creek, Morrison and La Brea

[shell sonnet]

I think the larger Carboniferous Anthropods could probably get away with.

[open heron]

we're only going to be getting a certain number of critters in each pack, might as well make them be from as diverse of a selection of areas as possible.

[quick ore]

maybe as a smaller dlc

[tulip umbra]

Thats already a pretty big if tbh

[open heron]

At best you'll get continent packs imo.

single formations are just too limiting

[tulip umbra]

Maybe countries, but even that is kinda limiting

[peak hazel]

they're incredibly recognisable names

[tulip umbra]

Usa pack 5…

[quick ore]

no on countries

but also

we definitely will get more specific than continents

simply because there are plenty of species not from continents

[peak hazel]

I'd say La Brea and the Mammoth steppe are generally what the average person thinks of when they hear "Cenozoic"

Morrison and Hell Creek for "Dinosaurs" or "Prehistory" or something

and then the Jurassic coast and Western Interior Seaway for marine life

[tulip umbra]

Wym average person? Average paleo fan sure. Average human, nah. Most ppl i know still getting used to dinosaurs not being all reptile scaly

[open heron]

Most islands can be assigned to a continent fairly easily, but we could definitely still get a designated island pack.

I don't think it'd be a specific island though, moreso an islands of the world pack thing

[quick ore]

I think Madagascar is the most likely island to not be a part of a general island dlc given it can pull from both cenozoic and mesozoic formations that include heavy-hitter species

it can stand on its own

[open heron]

It can but it can also double dip if they really need to boost it up more

(not to mention the recently extinct pack will likely have some madagascar rep too)

[shell sonnet]

Nah. Shaximiao and White River would work. We don't have anything from them, so all the big names are untouched.

[quick ore]

well ofc

im just saying the RE pack will no doubt not have enough from Madagascar

[shell sonnet]

I actually could see no Madgascar species making it to RE. There weren't any on the old kickstarter image for the RE pack.

[open heron]

It'd be a huge miss not to at least have Aepyornis and a subfossil lemur.

[shell sonnet]

I think the Moa covers the same niche as the Elephant Bird.

[tulip umbra]

Time periods > continents > traits like carnivore > countries > formations > specific clades or a combination of multiple

[open heron]

Moas and Elephant Birds are both highly iconic for their own reasons and we could really do with both if possible.

even if the DLC was only like... six 'slots' of animals I'd probably say having both is the right call

Moas bringing diverse sizes and niches with their different species alts, while Aepyornis just being a strong high rating animal which the recently extinct content will likely need for game balance reasons.

[shell sonnet]

Moa, Quagga, Dodo, Thyacline, Aurroch, Bluebuck.

[open heron]

Bluebuck being there is just ZT2 talking

infact no that actually is just Zt2 but without the Warrah

[shell sonnet]

Makes more sense to save the elephant bird as a headliner for a later pack.

[quick ore]

but if RE purposely leaves out malagasy species to leave more room for other additions so that they can come later in a Madagascar pack that would be smart

[open heron]

The devs won't be able to make packs ad infinitum

[shell sonnet]

Again, this is based on what the devs showed

[quick ore]

not saying they will

[shell sonnet]

Things have changed for sure

[quick ore]

Pouakai
Steller's Sea Cow

[open heron]

Well we can likely cross off the Haast Eagle and Steller Sea Cow for the time being, since the pack releases before the aquatic/aviary content.

horses are now also going to take up a single roster slot.

[quick ore]

I doubt the Tarpan will be included too

[open heron]

so if we assume there's still going to be 10 animals, that's three open slots.

[open heron]

extinct wild horses are known to be coming I think?

[shell sonnet]

Yes

Combined with the Quagga

However, there are also minis to consider.

[open heron]

true

we can assume passenger pigeons at the very least

[quick ore]

yeah but the silhouette is of the Tarpan

I doubt we will get Equus ferus ferus, Quagga, AND Tarpan

[open heron]

Tarpan is our Equus ferus ferus

[quick ore]

really?

not like, the la brea species?

[open heron]

It's a population of the e. ferus species

[quick ore]

also to respond to this, while this is in fact true I don't think that the devs will be unable to use any foresight or only be able to make dlc packs as if each new pack will be the last one they ever make

ie they absolutely could know ahead of time if there will be a planned Madagascar pack that they want to or are planning to make after an RE pack

[tulip umbra]

Tarpan and quagga will just become alt species of each other no?

[shell sonnet]

Yes

[tulip umbra]

They take one slot together

[quick ore]

actually, I think I will make a no Madagascar RE pack concept and a Madagascar pack concept to illustrate this

[open heron]

Yes, and we can assume a third Equus subspecies/species would come too, since I don't think either us only getting two skins for the entire slot or one of these horse populations getting two skins for itself is likely..

[outer moth]

I love this fish
Seems like the type of oddity that PK’s devs might find worthy of PK

[desert flame]

At the very least, the addition of Stellar Sea Cows may be delayed if this DLC is added before the Aquatic Animals Update.

[outer moth]

Marine environments need some love for sure in PK

[outer moth]

I’m hoping SSC will simply get replaced by the Madagascan Pygmy hippo

[shell sonnet]

I suspect the animals decided upon (if they have been) has changed.

[quick ore]

RE DLC Concept (no Madagascar)

-Quagga w/ wild horse alt
-Dinornis sp. w/ Upland Moa alt
-Dodo
-Cylindraspis sp.
-Thylacine
-Aurochs
-Chelychelynechen
-Passenger Pigeon (viv)
-Pig-footed Bandicoot (viv)

[quick ore]

*Malagasy

[open heron]

Over elephant bids or the diverse extinct lemurs the country has at its disposal?

[quick ore]

Madagascar DLC Concept:

-Aepyornis w/ Mullerornis alt
-Archaeoindris
-Hippopotamus lemerlei
-Majungasaurus
-Masiakasaurus
-Mahajangasuchus
-Madtsoia (viv)
-Beelzebufo (viv)

[alpine olive]

Scutosaurus!!!!!!!!

[steep tulip]

Coelurosauravus is also from madagascar
But maybe it fits better in a permian dlc

[quick ore]

Madagascar be like I'm so full from vivarium species yum

[abstract compass]

add the giant fossa for a extra nice mammal

[quick ore]

adding an extant species

[left spear]

That's still very iffy

[fresh ember]

Assuming it is still alive.

[left spear]

Not thylacine levels of iffy but still

[abstract compass]

show me evidence.

[left spear]

Frankly it's a slightly backed claim compared to no comfirmed sightings in 200 years

[quick ore]

I think the fact that it could be out there means it would be better off not being in the game in case it is and then gets rediscovered soon, which would be embarassing

[left spear]

Just say it's an extinct subspecies

[tulip umbra]

Id like it to be added

[fresh ember]

The dev team have already made peace with being outdated, so I don't see the problem.

[left spear]

Not like those are out of the question

[quick ore]

there isnt one

[tulip umbra]

Thylacine could also still be out there…

[abstract compass]

[left spear]

We can't know that

[quick ore]

Thylacine is much more unlikely

[left spear]

Subspecies are basically impossible to differentiate in fossils

Besides

Wooly pachy

[tulip umbra]

Both should be added

[quick ore]

that doesnt mean we should make one up

oh my god

wooly pachy is just a grandfathered in model

with how the game is now they wouldn't do something like that

[abstract compass]

big fosser squad unite

[left spear]

Well don't add Gigarcanum It does have a realistic chance of It still being alive

[abstract compass]

[quick ore]

I'm not going to act like I hate the Fossa

[abstract compass]

we cant add coelacanths either

extant still exists

[quick ore]

I don't, not in the slightest

I just think it wouldn't be smart considering the dripfeed of research and news in recent years hinting at giant fossas still being alive

also like

there's other malagasy species that we know are extinct

just add them

[quick ore]

what does this have to do with anything

[abstract compass]

havent seen anyone claiming the giant fossa to still be around

[quick ore]

have you not read any of the papers about it within the last few years

[abstract compass]

nope.

[quick ore]

or see Darren literally hint at it in a blogpost

[abstract compass]

nope.

[quick ore]

then you should before acting like I'm being ridiculous

[abstract compass]

[quick ore]

wtf is that supposed to mean

https://tetzoo.com/blog/2025/10/29/the-amazing-giant-black-fossa

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/357571374_The_stories_people_tell_and_how_they_can_contribute_to_our_understanding_of_megafaunal_decline_and_extinction_in_Madagascar

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/392431737_Patterns_of_late_Holocene_and_historical_extinctions_on_Madagascar

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/379049257_Late_survivors_Traditional_ecological_knowledge_and_the_timing_of_extinction_of_Madagascar's_large-bodied_Holocene_vertebrates

[abstract compass]

its abit ridiculous when in the span of 350+ years not a single eye witness has seen a giant fossa. And its extinction has been dated to before 1400

[abstract compass]

its a thinking emote i dont see how its hard to glance anything else from that emote.

[quick ore]

literally multiple people have

[fresh ember]

FWIW, PK's lore has established that Northern White Rhinos are officially extinct.

[quick ore]

like it's one thing to say we haven't found more recent remains (yet) but the idea of its continued survival is that many people continue to see it

as recently as the 2020's

like saying "not a single eyewitness has seen it" is demonstrably false

[abstract compass]

yes and people say they see bigfoot all the time.

that aint evidence.

[slim flare]

Which is also real

Any other questions?

[abstract compass]

great i knew this would happen you ghoul

[slim flare]

Giant fossas, sasquatch and Nanotyrannus are all real and extant

[abstract compass]

summoned the bigfoot bible thump man

[slim flare]

Bible thump?

[quick ore]

are you not even going to look at the papers I sent

this isnt some crank cryptozoologist bs

these are real scientists doing legitimate work

[fresh ember]

I'm currently busy with something else, so I won't be able to look into it atm.

[quick ore]

I wasn't saying you I meant Grimnir

[slim flare]

I like how Grimnir has invented this completely fictionalized version of me

[abstract compass]

do you know jokes?

[slim flare]

On the giant fossa, yeah I do find it incredibly unlikely, but if Darren’s evidence comes to fruition, I’m open-minded.

[abstract compass]

idk what ur referring to now

[slim flare]

Giant fossa

[tulip umbra]

Until its proven otherwise, its officially extinct and ripe for pk

[quick ore]

just curious, have you read the above papers?

[slim flare]

I read the blogpost

Are the papers recent?

[quick ore]

yes

all 3 are from the last 3 years

[slim flare]

Oh they’re just on traditional stories?

[quick ore]

no

they include recent sightings

[slim flare]

By naturalists?

[abstract compass]

(no)

[slim flare]

Then yeah they’re basically sasquatch sightings

[quick ore]

mostly by indigenous peoples but the account that Darren mentions is also discussed

no they aren't

[slim flare]

What’s the distinction?

[abstract compass]

oh so more like a thylacine sighting then

[slim flare]

Kinda?

[left spear]

Thinking ahead of time

[quick ore]

the care going in to talking to the people

hold on

lemme grab some of the text

[slim flare]

I say Sasquatch because I believe they’re probably fictional animals being applied by scientists to real extinct animals, similar to Sasquatch and Gigantopithecus, and unlike thylacines.

[abstract compass]

do you actually believe bigfoot exists?

[slim flare]

No

I’m not an idiot

[abstract compass]

ok good, too tired to decipher veiled funnies or sincerity

[slim flare]

But I have researched the topic a lot because I find it interesting, like people who like ghost lore but don’t really believe

[quick ore]

did either of you read the above

[abstract compass]

ah, fair take.

[tulip umbra]

Ive ridden Nessie can confirm she exists

[fresh ember]

Kinda the point, really. Even if giant fossa are still alive, considering how infrequent these sightings are, coupled with how much Madagascar's natural environment has been destroyed, I don't think it's unreasonable to say they're on their last legs.

[abstract compass]

i did but it sparks several issues in my mind. Its not evidence.

[quick ore]

I would appreciate it if y'all would take time to read the papers first before entirely dismissing what I am saying

[abstract compass]

i just did. its still just word of mouth.

[quick ore]

one of them isn't even long it's just a poster

[quick ore]

do you not think that indigenous peoples and their words should be taken seriously?

[abstract compass]

i need more context in how the questions were asked.

they asked about the Fossa.

they intentionally avoided asking about different types of fossa to avoid planting false information

this whole section is on the normal fossa.

the one we have today...

lil'fosser

[quick ore]

ok and did you read any of the following sections in the paper

because yeah, they werent trying to steer anything towards talking about the giant fossa

and then the indigenous people still talked about another, larger fossa

[peak hazel]

oh yeah

nigel says something about this in the paracer dialogue

[slim flare]

I mean, just as much as any eyewitness

Who isn’t a trained professional

[quick ore]

I don't think people who have grown up in said forests and know it and the species in it as well as they do are just any ordinary laymen

[abstract compass]

reading these comments taken some of them claim to have seen the Fossa being black, a mix or brown/black or brown. Some say they are from stories they've been told. Some claim they've seen them.

But the problem is that people are just not reliable eye witnesses.

tens of thousands of naturalists and scientists are at madagascar yearly.

if there were giant fossa they'd have been seen and documented properly by now i imagine.

i can believe in stories being shared down generation from generation but its odd that if there is so much evidence to the contrary why isnt physical evidence one of those evidences.

[slim flare]

They are

Especially as cultures commonly split species incorrectly

We’ve seen this multiple times throughout history

[slim flare]

That’s my thought exactly. It’s the same reason I don’t believe sasquatch is a real species. Is it evolutionarily and biomechanically possible? Yeah, sure. There’s hoaxes, but maybe some are truthful.

But why is there no verifiable physical evidence? No bones, or even fossils? DNA? Teeth? Without that, it all turns into conjecture.

[left spear]

If anything Sasquatch is probably just demonized people from other tribes turned into mythology

Kidna like the evil red head giants that one native tribe has

[tidal flame]

You mean the Si-Te-Cah that supposedly terrorized the Paiutes for generations?

[left spear]

Ye

[feral cedar]

The ONLY compelling argument for bigfoot is that one 1960s video

costume work would be highly advanced for the time period

[shell sonnet]

No it wouldn't

[slim flare]

I think the Patterson-Gimilin Film is pretty good, although some circumstances around it were not.

[quick ore]

why are you calling them shit theropods 💀

[steep tulip]

Conca labeled as a shit theropod 🥀

[hollow furnace]

because they aren't obscure mammals

[low bridge]

Fuck this mammals

[trail moth]

how are either of these shit

[grim lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-denying-gif-27643695

[proper maple]

i reallt want my goat

Animalia->Chordata->Reptilia->Dinosauria->Saurischia->Theropoda->Caenagnathoidea->Caenagnathidae->Gigantoraptor

https://tenor.com/view/gigantoraptor-feathers-bird-dinosaur-dino-gif-17304307

[slim flare]

No Prenocephale?

Behold Barsboldia, which may be a junior synonym of Saurolophus… why not suggest Saurolophus? Its probably the top wanted hadrosaurid rn

[quick ore]

I feel like a caegnathid would be a better choice than Nemegtomaia to distinguish it from Oviraptor

[slim flare]

Yeah, I agree

Saichania or Tarchia?

[slim flare]

Avimimus probably the best from Nemegt tbf

[fiery crow]

https://tenor.com/view/elco-mic65-gif-19992685

[feral cedar]

Prenocephale over Homalocephale
Saurolophus over Barsboldia
Tarchia over Saichania

Replace Nemegtosaurus with Opisthocoelicaudia if you wanna chuckle at Nigel trying to pronounce that thing’s name

Oops wrong reply

[slim flare]

Avimimus over Nemegtomaia

[feral cedar]

Also Nemegtomaia is respectfully such a nothingburger oviraptorid, I’d much rather get Elmisaurus or Avimimus

[hollow furnace]

Raptorex over Alioramus

[slim flare]

Avimimus has its own family and there’s Caenagnathids that people actually care about

Nemegromaia and Elmisaurus are only even being discussed because they just so happen to be Nemegt, not on their actual merits

[toxic oriole]

Took me a while to notice the size difference between Citipati and Oviraptor

[slim flare]

Citi is a little larger

Oviraptor is also kinda basal to the family

[toxic oriole]

Citipati specimens...
Oviraptor...

Not even sure if these scale references are accurate

[eager thunder]

What zoo tycoon 2 extinct species specifically do we not have

[hollow furnace]

A lot: Mastodon, Aurochs, Bluebuck, Bush-Antlered Deer, Deinonychus, Deinosuchus, Dimetrodon, Diprotodon, Dodo, Doedicurus, Sicilian Dwarf Elephant, Elephant Bird, Titanotylopus, Megatherium, Metridiochoerus, Gigantopithicus, Kentrosaurus, Protoarcheopteryx, Arctodus, Sivatherium, Stokesosaurus, Thylacine, Warrah, Quagga, and Carnotaurus

[toxic oriole]

With a few of those coming to the game officially at some point

[hollow furnace]

So far only three have been confirmed/soft-confirmed to be coming, but more are likely/suspected

[proper maple]

whats the third after dime and carno

?

[fiery crow]

Deinosuchus

[proper maple]

oh alright

[hollow furnace]

No

Quagga

Deino is one of the likely/suspected

[toxic oriole]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protarchaeopteryx
What.

[proper maple]

okay yeah that makes more sense

[toxic oriole]

Its named Protarchaeopterx, meaning "Before Archaeopteryx"
Yet its Early Cretaceous

[grim lagoon]

Should the list of animals I would like be divided by eras or taxa?

[toxic oriole]

Most accurate name yet

[fiery crow]

I remember how annoying these guys were to take care of
always killing each other every chance they got

[grim lagoon]

A dude so cool he traveled in time so Archeopteryx could exist

[hollow furnace]

I would love to get Protoarcheopteryx, Caudipteryx, and Incisivosaurus as just swaps of each other for vivarium animals

Just a bunch of Jehol "fowl" more or less

[hollow furnace]

The Jehol beds have historically had notoriously poor dating

It probably was considered to be Jurassic when named

[fiery crow]

I’m fine without Protoarchaeopteryx honestly
there are cooler small theropods out there

[grim lagoon]

Thinking about swaps... I was thinking on one for titanoboa on the distant future when they add her as an amphibious vivarium species too: Palaeophis colossaeus

A giant sea snake, not as big as Titanoboa but still very big

[toxic oriole]

Thats not really gonna work on account of this factor

Sea snake

[grim lagoon]

I think this would work because a big sea snake isn't something you think about very often, I feel it has more to add than other possible swaps

[grim lagoon]

True... Amphibious vivarium isn't of seawater

[toxic oriole]

And yet... Tiktaalik is there

Assuming the ocean was rather salty in the devonian...

[tulip umbra]

Tiktaalik lived in fresh water

[toxic oriole]

Oh

Gotta wait for Aquariums... Both freshwater and saltwater

[grim lagoon]

Yep

Still, Palaeophis is going on the list

[tulip umbra]

Idk abt paleophis in viv tho

[grim lagoon]

Not a good idea in an aquarium?

[tulip umbra]

Idk, i feel like its gonna be more stretched out to swim etc, unlike just coiled up titanoboa

[toxic oriole]

Okay are Vivariums and Aquariums part of the same picture or what?

[tulip umbra]

Tho we will see how amphibious titanoboa looks

[toxic oriole]

Strange that Titanoboa is terrestrial in PK, I guess they didnt want to give it the ability to access the amphibious vivarium, or they didnt have time for that

[grim lagoon]

I guess? I mean to get aquariums you coukd reuse a lot of what vivariums alrwady offer, just fully water

[grim lagoon]

They said it's because it is incredibly difficult to animate

They wanted it to swim but it was too much

[tulip umbra]

Aquariums are vivariums, terrariums are vivariums but aquariums are not terrariums

[grim lagoon]

So maybe in the future, but not a priority a think

[tulip umbra]

Vivariums is kinda all encompassing

[grim lagoon]

Oooh, so aquarium could be just another type of vivsrium like amphibious, terrestrial and arboreal

[toxic oriole]

The average fish tank just to put Anomalocaris in there, alongside some other aquatic species...

[grim lagoon]

There's a lot of things you could have there, early cephalopods, coelacanths, megapiranha

Anomalocaris too

[tulip umbra]

So far the vivariums we have are terrariums, aviaries and semi aquatic aquariums. They could easily make full aquariums under the vivarium label, its just a matter of when / if

[grim lagoon]

Yep

[toxic oriole]

Seeing how theres no Freshwater Coelacanths alive, just two saltwater Coelacanths...

And seeing how we know exactly what coelacanths look like on account of those two living members

Plus fossils...

[grim lagoon]

Coelacanth would be a safe bet if it happened

[tulip umbra]

If we get to a full aquatic update, i think aquariums will be highly likely

[grim lagoon]

Yep

[toxic oriole]

Thats assuming the game does well post EA

If it does, then we be getting extinct Coelacanths probably!

[grim lagoon]

Praying it does

[tulip umbra]

What do we call habitats for dolphins and whales etc? Lagoons like jwe?

[toxic oriole]

Lagoons? I mean, it wouldn't be weird to call it that

[grim lagoon]

I'm kinda shocked they didn't include them tho, perhaos the possible animals were more complicated or they couldn't make them all and they prioritized the ones we got

[toxic oriole]

They're wanting to start with something simple I reckon

[grim lagoon]

Wouldn't complain anyways, I love the species we got

[grim lagoon]

Splashy zone

[toxic oriole]

And from what I can see, the turtle + diplocaulus + tiktaalik are pretty much precursors to more aquatic animals

Semi-aquatic or whatever

[grim lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/killer-whale-gif-24576669

[grim lagoon]

Yus, and likely Titanoboa was also on that list but was changed to just terrestrial

[toxic oriole]

I wonder if Nothosaurus and Tanystro- Actually nevermind

Those marine reptiles from the Triassic most likely wouldn't fit into vivariums

[tulip umbra]

I think its also cuz they would have to make a 4th viv type (full aquatic aquarium) with 4 sizes that need multiple more animals to fill those sizes, etc etc

[toxic oriole]

Or at least, not all of them would

[grim lagoon]

This reminds me I need to decide how to implement them in my zoo... The 3 amphibious are the only ones missing

[hollow furnace]

Species of Tanystropheus would fit as vivariums

but better to go with the bigger ones

[toxic oriole]

Same case with Nothosaurus or what?

[grim lagoon]

True

[hollow furnace]

I don't know

I don't think so

[grim lagoon]

First time I see it, looks interesting

[toxic oriole]

Now what about the Mosasaur ancestors?

[grim lagoon]

But I think it is too big

[toxic oriole]

On account of its neck, yeah...

[grim lagoon]

Wait, I'm dumb there are more species

[toxic oriole]

indeed

It and Nothosaurus are SOMEWHAT related to Plesiosaurs

At least from what I recall

[grim lagoon]

Makes sense with the necks

[hollow furnace]

Tanystropheus probably isn't

It's a different thing

[toxic oriole]

What other long necked fully aquatic marine reptiles were there aside from Plesiosaurs?

[tulip umbra]

Ive found the actual word, so we currently have terrariums, aviaries and paludariums. No aquariums

[grim lagoon]

Were there some pliosaurs?

[grim lagoon]

Oooh

[hollow furnace]

snakes

[toxic oriole]

I'm going to assume Pliosaurs are younger than Plesiosaurs, despite them being in the same family

[grim lagoon]

Pliosaurs were plesiosaurids nvm

[toxic oriole]

Yes they were plesiosaurs, but I don't know which came first

The Plesiosaurs themselves, or pliosaurs

[hollow furnace]

they are each other's sister clade, they came at the same time

[toxic oriole]

Oh okay

... Land based ancestors for the plesiosaurs that could work for vivariums...
Ditto for Icthyosaurs and Mosasaurs...

[tulip umbra]

And both evolved long and short neck, so there long and short necked pliosaurs and long and short plesiosaurs

Very confusing

[toxic oriole]

I'm still curious as to how Attenborosaurus is a pliosaur with a long neck, and how the researchers figured out they werent a normal Plesiosaur

[grim lagoon]

Wouldn't plesiosaur be the answer? A all pliosaurs are plesiosaurs but not all plesiosaurs are pliosaurs

[toxic oriole]

I still think people get Attenborosaurus and Plesiosaurus mixed up on account of stuff

Aaaand now I want a boreal paludarium for Penguins and other similar birds

[grim lagoon]

Wait I understood, there's

• Plesiosauria the order
• Pliosaurs the suborder
• Plesiosaurus the genus