Community Species Suggestions

[flint sable]

armspan

and I was like

[toxic oriole]

Other continents have had similar results as far as we know
Looking at you, Antarctica

[flint sable]

megaladapis did not have a 20ft armspan buddy

it probably did

pterosaur bones just more fragile and unstable than the Isle's development

[fiery crow]

Archaeolemur for a vivie?

[left spear]

Impossibly wide megaladapis, no matter how wide your field of view is it's armspan is wider.

[fiery crow]

impossibly wide Megaladapis which gives you hugs and steals your bananas when you sleep

[flint sable]

I made a really comprehensive RE DLC list

anyone wanna see it?

its 2 messages long so ima just send a message link

[left spear]

Oh

Yep

[fiery crow]

YearGH

[left spear]

RE lists are very fun imo, Both to read and make

[toxic oriole]

Can't forget we lost Cearadactylus this year

[left spear]

Wouldn't mind It if the new name wasn't dogshit

[flint sable]

#1360542295228944414 message

8 species, 2 vivs and 6 habitat

[fiery crow]

🔥 🗣️

[toxic oriole]

Pyrenean Ibex..........

Y'know what, I feel like revising a DLC idea I had which was themed about fossils spanning from some parts of the world...
The gist? Said fossils were either destroyed, lost, or anything similar

[flint sable]

thoughts/questions?

[toxic oriole]

Was thinking of a name, "Lost and Found" or "Lost Fossils"

Can't really decide

[plush nacelle]

I dont think it is that simple

Given titanoboa has no size variation, cause it would broke animations

[left spear]

No Round Island Burrowing Boa? I'm afraid i must rescind your breathing privileges for forgetting such a popular and obvious pick.

Also Auk on a viv is a crime

Otherwise extremely solid

Maybe miss one more viv

[quick ore]

ok, with the assumption that the only malagasy species getting added in the RE pack will be Aepyornis with/without a Mullerornis alt, a good Madagascar dlc imo would be:
-Majungasaurus
-Masiakasaurus
-Mahajangasuchus
-Archaeoindris
-Hippopotamus laloumena
-Archaeolemur
-Madtsoia (viv)
-Malagasy crowned eagle (viv)

[flint sable]

I would 100% agree, I only put it there since we have confirmation underwater viewing and deep diving arent coming unless theres a huge aquatic revamp in a DLC; and seeing as RE would likely be one of the first, if not the first DLC, it would be stuck to swimming on just the surface

[left spear]

Malagasy hippo

[flint sable]

so it was either in a Vivarium or not at all, and I think in a viv was the better option due to how iconic it is

[trail moth]

im sensing a theme here

[quick ore]

not my fault

[left spear]

Honestly, don't put It on RE and either put in on a RE part 2 after aquatics and flyers along Steller's and Haast's or just put It on the aquatic dlc

[quick ore]

it could literally just come in an aquatic dlc

[flint sable]

fair point

I did also list a bunch of alternatives on the bottom, any 2 of those could definitely work

[plush nacelle]

Auk cant be anything but vivarium at this point. Dude is exactly as big as simosuchus

[left spear]

Even if it's a Semi it's so aquatic It fits without issue

[flint sable]

I did add the Round Island Burrowing Boa, which is admittedly a really good pick

[flint sable]

ye, Great Auk is actually quite a lot smaller than most people imagine

[left spear]

My brother in Coty what are you talking about

[plush nacelle]

Ya just look at first reply

[quick ore]

that's just penguin sized

[flint sable]

thats about as tall as Simosuchus on both its legs, no?

[quick ore]

not hard to see it in a full exhibit

[plush nacelle]

It is based on 75cm height, but most charts dont take into account it is with neck fully extended

So animal was smaller than that lmao

[toxic oriole]

Ah screw it, Destroyed/Missing Fossils DLC pack:

• Tameryraptor
• Aegyptosaurus
• Stomatosuchus
• Kentrosaurus (Apparently)
• Bahariasaurus (Oh boy...)
• Tropeognathus (Its most complete and well known specimen was destroyed in that museum fire)
• Attenborosaurus (In the event aquatic species are added)
  Yeah I don't know

[quick ore]

I don't see the point in comparing the overall sizes of 2 animals with entirely different bauplans

[toxic oriole]

There might be more

[flint sable]

just to show it would fit, also the animations make the most sense for it there

as it would likely have unique animations used by it and maybe like

2 other critters tops depending on how many extinct penguins they could possibly add

I would really hope it to be a full exhibit, it definitely deserves it, but from what we know based on development and how its animations would likely work, in addition to the status of underwater capabilities, Viv makes the most logical sense

[flint sable]

also that list was specifically designed with stuff like this in mind, attempting to keep it realistic and plausible rather than just an 100% want/ideal

[median relic]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-ares-destroy-my-enemies-and-my-life-is-yours-gif-7965707800203237625

[plush nacelle]

Yes. Auk is as long as simo and as much heavy at best

[median relic]

add concavenator with different interpretations of the quills as alts and my life is youuurs

[flint sable]

hear me our

[left spear]

Full feathery, Snow melt dilo feathery and just quills

[plush nacelle]

I would be genuinely upset, if auk is not vivarium species, while simosuchus is

[left spear]

Easy as that

[flint sable]

Cryptyrannus hainesae in PK when

[left spear]

When primates go to the moon

[flint sable]

most complete theropod ever

[median relic]

https://tenor.com/view/water-ice-salt-you-just-read-my-mind-water-ice-salt-gif-5264641751222910844

[median relic]

god this is the most underrated theropod man

[flint sable]

fr

[median relic]

how has it not been suggested more

[flint sable]

ikr

goated north american pick

[tulip umbra]

Make it the new coty

[fiery crow]

how much do we know from Coty

[tulip umbra]

Everything i think

[left spear]

I can only see this with that siluette 😭

[median relic]

add it and its sister taxon gilmorelarsontyrannus in a 20$ DLC

[fiery crow]

AWH
these little guys are so cute it’s almost a crime

[left spear]

It's a shame they went extinct

We should add them to RE

[toxic oriole]

What is this?

[fiery crow]

are there any prehistoric geckos tbh

[left spear]

Gigarcanum

Just look It up

Won't dissapoint you

[left spear]

A cat

Giant African gecko

[median relic]

the fat tail actually comes from a mysterious impression found near the tooth

[fiery crow]

OH WOW
THAT IS BIG

[left spear]

Or African fat-tailed geckl

[left spear]

New Zealand

[toxic oriole]

Moa met it????

[left spear]

Collected on the early 1800's

Unironically might still be alive

New Zealand's giant fossa

[fiery crow]

I can’t find which time period it was from and with the template I’ve been using for my wish list that lowkey upsets me

[quick ore]

no

what

it wasnt from new zealand

[tulip umbra]

Another one to add to my list thx, god theres like an infinite number of notable extinct species

[left spear]

Oh wait right mb

[quick ore]

it was from New Caledonia

[left spear]

It's from New caledonia

It's 4:45 okey i'm dense

[left spear]

"Delcourt's gecko ( Gigarcanus delcourti ) is a giant species of gecko from New Caledonia that became extinct in the second half of the 19th century . It reached a size of 60 cm in length, making it the largest known gecko species."

Again extinct is questionable

It's not likely but It does have a decentish chance of It still being alive

New caledonia is quite unexplored

[fiery crow]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Og4TCz3JqvsKlmyQAdwUNQlJZzA4sks2-RsTX_J5lD8/edit?usp=drivesdk

[tulip umbra]

Fellow west european i see

[toxic oriole]

What are the scans that are used to tell if an animal may have survived for a longer period of time after being declared extinct called again?

[left spear]

Spain

[cosmic cosmos]

eDNA?

[tulip umbra]

Belgium

[fiery crow]

me from Canada:

[left spear]

It's like

22:00 or something like that over there right

[flint sable]

New Caledonia

[fiery crow]

10:49

[left spear]

Yep already corrected myself below

I really should go to bed

[flint sable]

indeed

[cosmic cosmos]

This is my lepidosaur list for PK (no aquatics)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NpcRlmDOozP4umVdGqdq-1pV4vkmmxaTk3eGTUEoxEc/edit?tab=t.0

Suggestions and feedback welcome

[left spear]

Still a ten close enough

[fiery crow]

one of the benefits of being an adult is that I can stay up as long as I want

[flint sable]

also wouldnt be the first time a 1ft+ lizard was rediscovered after like 100+ years

in new caledonia

[left spear]

Yep

There's inconformes sightings of Tenerife giant Lizards out of all things

[fiery crow]

honestly feel like Palaeosaniwa would be better as a vivie

[left spear]

So i'd say that they have a solid if still quite small chance of being still alive

Defenetly more than papuan thylacines

[tulip umbra]

My only issue with palaeosaniwa is that its quite fragmentary

[left spear]

Also it's a huge victim of paleomemes

[median relic]

you know who ELSE is quite fragmentary

[flint sable]

how about Paleosawnia-Paleo

[fiery crow]

they can probably put the pieces together through fossils of similar lepidosaurs

[cosmic cosmos]

anything important I missed in the list?

[fiery crow]

well

some people would argue that Najash is kinda tiny

[left spear]

Gigarcanum

That's about it

[fiery crow]

also I feel like you should add Diablophis too

[left spear]

Maybe Diablo

Also could argue for Vasuki

[tulip umbra]

Priosphenodon perhaps

[cosmic cosmos]

its on the first page 😭

[left spear]

What

[flint sable]

where Quetzacoatlus, Pteranodon, Dimorphodon, and Tapejara?

[left spear]

How tf did It miss It 🥀

[cosmic cosmos]

not lepidosaurs

[flint sable]

yuh huh

[left spear]

Someone has some culture around here i see

[flint sable]

i have proof

[tulip umbra]

Gotta have at least one rhychocephalian

[flint sable]

https://pterosaurheresies.wordpress.com/

see guys

proof

[left spear]

I mean, they look like lizards and had scales, seem pretty lepidosaury to me

[left spear]

Seems legit

We should make you CEO of paleontology

[flint sable]

yay

for my first order

[cosmic cosmos]

I have two in there

[toxic oriole]

Every privately owned fossil is to be made public.

[flint sable]

Tyrannosauridae is now a synonym of Gilemoretyrannus

[fiery crow]

what do you guys think

[cosmic cosmos]

Will check it out

[fiery crow]

Tyrannasourus rex

[flint sable]

for my second order

[left spear]

L o n g

[flint sable]

all sauropsid reconstructions must have feather

and all synapsid reconstruction must have hair

[left spear]

1 meter long Tuatara from Cretaceous México essentially

[flint sable]

and all other tetrapod must have both

my final act

nobody can renounce any of these orders

and also

enforced by a 20$ fee

[left spear]

You should declare all cenozoic frogs as forgery

[flint sable]

my final final act is resign and I also promote Darth to new CEO of paleontology

[cosmic cosmos]

Wikipedia says candeleros

[left spear]

Truly a pure martyr of our time

We shall raise monoliths in your honor

[cosmic cosmos]

How big is it?

[left spear]

Diablophis is tricky

Because all art about It is the old recons

Which essentially show a reptilian siren

But in reality It was much more similar to a classic squamate

But defenetly a Viv

Say like Between Diic and Pelte

[tulip umbra]

Naja romani, essentially just a bigger cobra. But I like cobras, so im suggesting it.

[cosmic cosmos]

I would add it, but i already have like three derived snakes, and cobras arent visually distinct unless they are hooded up

Same reason i didnt add Vasuki

[tulip umbra]

Fair enough, just thought it was worth mentioning

[cosmic cosmos]

Its a good shout for sure

[coarse inlet]

I'm trying to find the description paper to compare it with Breugnathair

hmm, honestly hard to compare, I think you'd need someone who actually studies this stuff

seems probably larger than Breugnathair but I'd guess not that much larger?

[steep sable]

We have Felids but no Canines yet: may I suggest the REAL dire wolf for the post-release line-ups to educate people what they really look like and behave, not like the Colossal Sciences “dire wolf”

[shell sonnet]

I doubt PK will dent the image created by Colossal (and GOT) in the public's mind but that doesn't mean it's a bad addition

[left spear]

I mean It will atleast on the paleocommunity

A scary ammount of people in It still think it's just a wolf

[digital pendant]

skeletecally its practically a wolf lol

they are extremely similar

put muscles on the skeleton and you would see a wolf with bulkier features

its stuff like fur distribution, color, and ears that will make it more distinct, but at the end of the day they would have look rather similar

especially given the fact they lived in a similar environment (for the most part) to grey wolves

[fiery crow]

we should get more ground sloths in the future:

• Lestodon
• Nothrotheriops
• Paramylodon

[desert flame]

We need Eremotherium, and if there's a chance, we'd like to see a semi-aquatic sloth added.

[fiery crow]

would this be the earliest we could get to a non-vivarium mammal (if it ever gets added)? existed during the very start of the Paleocene period.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taeniolabis

[ancient ibex]

(Disxord betrayed me, sorry)

[worthy crypt]

Always have loved Crustaceans, would love if we could get some love for them such as the Callichimaera Perplexa (aka the "Platypus of Crabs" that lived 95 million years ago) in a Vivarium

[coarse inlet]

looks awesome but sadly this is WAY too small

[slim flare]

Lmfaoooo

Invertebrates not being tiny challenge

[flint sable]

dang there really do be like

1 terrestrial invertebrate that got to sizes that were like bigger than humans right

and its arthro

[worthy crypt]

Oh damn it's the size of a spider lol, images made it look way bigger than it was 😅

Actually this makes me wonder how large the Jaekelopterus (the Sea Scoripion) was

[left spear]

Not even all species

[worthy crypt]

Damn! That's definitely larger than I was expecting

[left spear]

Most eurypterids are dog sized

Jaekelopterus is the giant of the family

[slim flare]

I hate the term “dog-sized”

I feel no one could agree on what that actually is

I’m not dissing you, just the term in general

[left spear]

Golden retriever is what i use usually

[worthy crypt]

Depends on the dog being measured I guess

[worthy crypt]

That's a pretty good basis I'd say

[left spear]

Yeah not the best metric since it's a single breed but it's the most "average" and recognizable one

As middle sized as you can get for a dog

[worthy crypt]

So basically Dog-sized in this definition means waist height on fours?

Or well...Guess it depends on the dog itself, I've seen some pretty big Goldens

[left spear]

Length i meant

Eurypterids are quite flat

[worthy crypt]

Ah okay so stood up basically?

[left spear]

No like, Eurypterus itself is like a meter and a bit in lenght (the bigger ones atleast), it's height when laying normal is like 20cm or something like that

[coarse inlet]

the size of a fox terrier

[worthy crypt]

Ah okay gotcha

[left spear]

If stod up from stinger to mandibles then they'd be as tall as a tall child

[worthy crypt]

That is both equally interesting and both parts terrifying

[left spear]

Like 1.2 meters or something like that

[left spear]

I mean i doubt they'd be interested in humans

Probably treat them the same as a snake or ray

[flint sable]

probably

idk jaek might think a small toddler is a snack but then again, basically every predator on the planet larger than a weasel would think the same

even then im not sure

other than that yeah they probably wouldnt care

[worthy crypt]

True but even thinking of a creature like that is weird

I guess the closest comparison I can think of would be what if there was a Scoripion in this day & age the size of a child

[flint sable]

prolly

or a horseshoe crab

since iirc thats actually their closest living relatives

some even converged on horseshoe crabs

[left spear]

That or a enormous venemous lobster

[flint sable]

this thing was approximately 4 feet long and was capable of moving on land

may also have the title of thickest eurypterid

[worthy crypt]

Yikes. Now I'm just thinking about Reapertails from Final Fantasy XV and if they were real

[left spear]

I was thinking more of this scumbag

Foul creature of the underworld

[worthy crypt]

true lmao

[left spear]

I've beaten that game 6 times and i still refuse to engage with those things at any cost

[worthy crypt]

On a different note, I wonder if this game will touch on more sadly modern day extinctions, such as the Western black rhinoceros?

I doubt they will it is "prehistoric" in the name after all

[left spear]

A Recently Extinct animals DLC is comfirmed

[worthy crypt]

Oh damn really?

I forgot I had heard this game was getting dlc

[left spear]

With Quagga, Wild Horse and Moa being the confirmed additions

But being real Dodo and Thylacine are obviously also gonna be there

[left spear]

The RE DLC has been a thing since like 2017

It was a kickstarter goal iirc

[worthy crypt]

Ah I see, just recently got into the game so I'm not too knowledgable about what's coming

I've seen their Trello tho

[left spear]

Eh you don't miss much, most of the old stuff has been scrapped either way

Except for RE really only take into account info from 2021 and onwards

[worthy crypt]

gotcha

[left spear]

On another note Utah, Carno and Bary are comfirmed

We even have Utah concept art

[steep carbon]

sneak peak of utah concept art

[worthy crypt]

Ah the Carno, the "Ah shit I'm going bankrupt in my Jurrasic World Evolution campaign, quick, throw that thing into a random enclosure" animal

[left spear]

That or Metri

[worthy crypt]

truth

Speaking of which I went into the game fully blind and got hit with cold water seeing the Velociraptor be displayed more bird-like

[left spear]

Oh, weren't you into paleo before playing?

[slim flare]

Foxes aren’t dogs but nice try ❤️

[worthy crypt]

Oh I knew the Veloci and a few of the other dinos were more bird-like, but I had just come from playing Jurrasic World Evolution 3 so it whiplashed me

Went from them being the pain in my neck of annoying lil' shits in one game to literally the golden children of my park in another lmao

[left spear]

True, Velos are a pain in the as the keep on jwe, specially on jwe1

[worthy crypt]

Slightest weather change? Nah, we riot

...Then again I'm talking too soon break-outs haven't been fully implemented yet-

[left spear]

"This foul substance that precitipates from the heavens is foul and unnaceptable, we shall engage on our right to Rebel"

[worthy crypt]

Literally just because they got placed with some Compys

[left spear]

Compys are worse

[safe willow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Terrier

[left spear]

So useless they die of thirst living on a 4x4m enclousure half of it being a pond

[coarse inlet]

this guy doesn't Gould

[left spear]

Why are you posting a fox photo

We are talking about dogs here

[worthy crypt]

must be an old game thingy, they literally became the healthiest most viable dino in my park

[left spear]

Idk i don't have 3 only 1 and 2

[worthy crypt]

Real talk is this the dog breed they used for the main protag in Secret Life of Pets?

[slim flare]

Jokes exist ❤️

[worthy crypt]

Real random thing to mention

...Oh shit it's 2am I should bounce-

[safe willow]

and how was i supposed to know it was a joke

[left spear]

Tbh the absurdity of It made It kidna obvious

[warm ice]

could probably fit like
1 or 2 of those in a large aquarium, like titanoboa in a large terrestrial vivarium

[safe willow]

you cant trust anthing to not be serious

[civic terrace]

When Arthopleura gets added, do you think it'll be a vivarium species, or normal?

[safe willow]

its legit getting added?

i hope so...

probably vivarium if it was, all those legs would be hard to make animate outside pretedermined stuff like titanboa

[flint sable]

viv

1000000000000%

[spring ridge]

European mammalian wish list:
Aurochs (Bos primigenius)
Narrow-nosed rhino (Stephanorhinus hemitoechus)
European giant beaver (Trogontherium cuvieri)
Cave lynx (Lynx pardinus spelaeus)
Cave hyena (Crocuta spelaea)
Tarpan (Equus ferus ferus)
Steppe wisent (Bos (bison) priscus)
Broad-fronted moose (Cervalces latifrons)
Cave wolf (Canis lupus spelaeus)
European dhole (Cuon alpinus europaeus)
Giant muskox (Praeovibos priscus)
Combray wapiti (Cervus canadensis combrayicus)
European wild ass (Equus hydruntinus)
Villafranchian elk (Alces gallicus)

thats all i can think of for now

[slim flare]

Besides the wild horse and aurochs, I don’t see a reason for the subspecies

[spring ridge]

how come?

its still considered an extinct taxa

[civic terrace]

I presume, since it has a statue in the game.

[left spear]

I can understand L. p, spelaeus

I don't think there's any other lynx to add

Or honestly small feline for that matter

Specially since Lynx itself doesn't have recognized extinct species

[slim flare]

But it like actually identical to extant forms

I would prefer the dhole tbh

[left spear]

Tbf so it's wildhorse or Quagga

They could still give It a nice skin

Not saying it's a great addition but i can see why someone would find It a neat one

[quick ore]

Miracinonyx?

[left spear]

It's bigger than a puma

[quick ore]

this is more like pleistocene europe mammals

you said a small feline

[left spear]

A puma is not a small feline 💀

It's arguably a small big one

[quick ore]

Miracinonyx is in the small feline subfamily

Felinae

[left spear]

I meant small literally

In size

[quick ore]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felinae

oh

[left spear]

Lol

[quick ore]

well it wasnt clear before

[left spear]

Are there any cool felins besides mira?

[quick ore]

doubt it

[left spear]

There's a few but they're all jaws

[slim flare]

No straight-tusked elephant?

[left spear]

If you got to felids there's Proailurus ig

[feral cedar]

extinct cats don't really stand out beyond Panthera, Miracinonyx, and machairodonts

[slim flare]

True

Homotherium…

[eager thunder]

What about cave lions

[flint sable]

is panthera

[toxic oriole]

So I got to looking at the other two UK Spinosaurs Ceratosuchops and Riparovenator
I know Baryonyx is most likely coming to the game at some point, but uhhh...

🤷‍♀️

Just throwin em there

[eager thunder]

I wouldn’t be opposed to more spinosaurs but I think the game will have a good amount by the time U19 comes around, I’m personally more invested in the Cenozoic and Permian possibilities, but I would personally like to see itchyvonator

I love my weird little freaks

[toxic oriole]

Can't forget Suchomimus

[quick ore]

uh, yeah you can forget Suchomimus

[toxic oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/the-audacity-the-grinch-jim-carrey-how-the-grinch-stole-christmas-the-nerve-gif-18820303

[quick ore]

imo we do not need 3 spinosaurs, especially with how many groups have zero representation in game

[eager thunder]

Suchomimus is just a better Barry in JWE and not much in real life

Ima be real

[quick ore]

Would another be good? Yeah, but it isn't like it would be a major mistake to only have Bary or Sucho

[toxic oriole]

Eh, Spinosaurus is there too, so Complete The Trinity.

[left spear]

Sucho is good as dlc

[quick ore]

I mean yeah I'm just saying like

[left spear]

I do agree that it's not a base game animal tho

[toxic oriole]

Bary on the other hand...

[left spear]

Put It on an Africa pack with Sarco, Lurdu and friends

[quick ore]

having 2 spinosaurs or even just 1 isn't starving when so many animal groups would be lucky to get representation at all

[toxic oriole]

Peeps don't care about that factor nowadays

Ya cant convince em otherwise

[eager thunder]

Personally I think once we get the Pachy Utah Barry and Carno the basic dinosaur stuff would be fulfilled and anything extra would be bonus

You kinda fill all the popular niches

And I would personally hope the rest of the roster is focused on picks outside the Mesozoic

[cosmic cosmos]

or non-dinosaurs in the mesozoic

[toxic oriole]

Knowing how popular the Mesozoic era is, you cant escape from that factor

Theres no escape

[left spear]

Therizinosaurus

[eager thunder]

Ok but really when we get those 4 and the u17 stuff what are we really missing?

[quick ore]

you don't have to be so pessimistic about it

[left spear]

Otherwise somewhat agree

[eager thunder]

Ok yeah but that’s kinda a gray area

[toxic oriole]

If you insist

[cosmic cosmos]

australovenator/megaraptor

[quick ore]

Australovenator plssssss

[eager thunder]

As much as I love those those are more niche than the current roster

[toxic oriole]

What

[eager thunder]

I wouldn’t be opposed to it tho

[toxic oriole]

Niche? How?

Infact, what does that even mean?

[eager thunder]

Most people don’t know what a Australovinator is

[cosmic cosmos]

austra is probably the most popular aussie dinosaur

[eager thunder]

Is what I mean

[quick ore]

Australovenator is the largest theropod know from Australia ever

and one of the most complete

[eager thunder]

Ok maybe not that then mb

[quick ore]

also it was in WWD, just went unnamed (we didn't know what it was at the time)

[eager thunder]

I mean that it’s niche as a medium theropod is filled

In game

[coarse inlet]

NGL Australovenator is like the least cool megaraptorid

[quick ore]

filled?

[coarse inlet]

that we have decent remains for

[quick ore]

"medium theropod" isnt a niche

[toxic oriole]

I honestly thought Leaellynasaura was a compsognathid, but it turns out I was wrong

[eager thunder]

Ok I misspeak

[slim flare]

Yeah, I hate that it’s upside down

[quick ore]

it has a beak

[eager thunder]

I mean like it feels like a post EA animal

[toxic oriole]

I wasnt really paying attention to some designs

I never saw the beak

[quick ore]

it's an herbivore

[slim flare]

Have you never seen Walking with Dinosaurs?

[toxic oriole]

To tell the truth, yes actually

I never saw the show

[eager thunder]

Better than me, it’s on my list

I saw the Triassic one when I was like 7

[quick ore]

go watch it on internet archive right now

[shell sonnet]

Sucho works as an alt to Bary. Any other situation is just unnecessary.

[toxic oriole]

And what about Ceratosuchops + Riparovenator?
Would they be their own thing in your view?

[eager thunder]

I’d prefer a weirder Spinosaur anyhow

[shell sonnet]

Don't need them

[eager thunder]

Or heck Concavinator

I’d prefer that

[cosmic cosmos]

kinda pointless additions, its just a slightly different bary

[slim flare]

Treat yourself
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8me4dp

[quick ore]

Concavenator wasn't a spinosaur

[toxic oriole]

Carcharodontosaurid

[eager thunder]

I know

[toxic oriole]

Weird one for that matter

[eager thunder]

I mean id prefer it

Over any other spino

[quick ore]

this is lowkey the best WWD episode

[shell sonnet]

And to be honest, Concavenator can wait a little.

Let's get some other theropod groups filled in

[toxic oriole]

I would like an exhibit Compsognathid, but most of them are all too small to even BE exhibit, no?

[eager thunder]

If we are talking weird and unique you don’t get better than the Concavenator

[left spear]

It has Koolasuchus so of course

[fiery crow]

my favourite WwD episode is probably Giant of the Skies.

[eager thunder]

They have the box

[fiery crow]

just absolutely heartbreaking from beginning to end 😔

[slim flare]

Pretty kool

[left spear]

Yeah conc is like top 8 unique theropods that aren't 6 Bone fragments

[toxic oriole]

Sinocalliopteryx
Said to be the largest compsognathid or something

Still too small or what?

[quick ore]

I recently did a rewatch of the series, Spirits of the Ice Forest has an impeccable vibe and somehow largely holds up scientifically aside from the designs of the dinosaurs present. It doesn't have any outlandish choices like putting Utahraptor in Europe.

[eager thunder]

I would love to see a feathered inator in game

[toxic oriole]

inator?

[quick ore]

also, I did say "lowkey"

[slim flare]

Ok but Mutta, Leaelly and Koola didn’t live together. Also the episode takes place in Antartica so

[eager thunder]

Concavinator sounds like inator

Like a dr doof invention

[quick ore]

it's venator

Concavenator

[left spear]

Also megaraptorids being "Polar Allosaurs"

[quick ore]

not Concavinator

[shell sonnet]

Except we have 2 Carchas already plus Allo is coming. Meanwhile, the number of Ceratosaurs (a far more diverse looking group) is 0.

[left spear]

Tho not much they could have done there

[toxic oriole]

Okay seriously I need a size comparison between this animal and a human or any small dinosaur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinocalliopteryx

[slim flare]

Except it was “Allosaurus” robustus

[eager thunder]

I guess it can be assumed that Cerato would be added

[slim flare]

it wasn’t identified as a Megaraptorid until much later

[quick ore]

the Mutta's in the episode were stated to be migrating

[fiery crow]

to be fair, wasn’t Australovenator believed to be an allosaur at the time of the episode’s release?

[quick ore]

not actual residents

[shell sonnet]

Except it isn't even that

[slim flare]

Wdym

[left spear]

^

[shell sonnet]

Sorry I was confusing the finds with something else

[slim flare]

Time of the Titans probably holds up the best tbh

[toxic oriole]

Huh, so the "giant" Compsognathid probably could be an exhibit animal after all

Assuming this information isnt outdated

or chart

[cosmic cosmos]

Give me Carno, Majunga, Cerato and Masiaka

[shell sonnet]

Having said that, Leaelly is almost certainly lived in the antarctic.

[fiery crow]

Sea Monsters: A Prehistoric Adventure has stood up great as well

[eager thunder]

Say what family does the cryo belong to ?

The Elvis one

[shell sonnet]

missing Limu/elpharo

[tulip umbra]

Dolycorhynchops underrated fr

[fiery crow]

Elvisraptor…

[eager thunder]

No the Antarctic one

Butterfly crest

[quick ore]

Time of the Titans has oxpecker Anurognathids with their eyes in the wrong socket

[eager thunder]

Cryo something

Tip of my tongue

[quick ore]

Cryolophosaurus

[cosmic cosmos]

i think its just a tetanuran, very basal

[fiery crow]

Anurognathus is such a silly lil guy

[eager thunder]

Thank you

[eager thunder]

Do we have that already?

[shell sonnet]

Yes

Plenty

[tulip umbra]

Its at the base of of tetanurae with monolophosaurus

[toxic oriole]

Package deal:
Early Jurassic Antarctica:
Cryolophosaurus
Glacialisaurus

[cosmic cosmos]

most theropods

[eager thunder]

Ok I still would like a Cryolophosaurus

[slim flare]

And we have a large Dromaeosaurid from Wessex possibly related to Utahraptor

[shell sonnet]

Besides Dilo and Coelo

[eager thunder]

Related as in a species or a different similar genus?

[slim flare]

The latter

[coarse inlet]

Vectiraptor?

[cosmic cosmos]

its still a good pick, for sure the best antarctic dinosaur

[shell sonnet]

If it is, that's definitely not Utah raptor size

[eager thunder]

Definitely

[eager thunder]

One of my childhood favorites

[shell sonnet]

We already have one

[coarse inlet]

yeah it's Deinonychus sized

[eager thunder]

Vectiraptor is certainly a name

[tulip umbra]

Cryolopho my fav theropod hands down

[eager thunder]

I love me them Elvis Dino’s

Hope they’d get feathers if they were in game

[cosmic cosmos]

probably be like dilo, different skins with different levels of feathering

[coarse inlet]

it's a raptor from Vectis, makes sense to me

[eager thunder]

Oh, i thought it was just a riff off velociraptor

[toxic oriole]

riff off?

[fiery crow]

reminds me of Albertosaurus. it’s a dinosaur from Alberta.

[eager thunder]

Or Utahraptor

[toxic oriole]

Its like Edmontosaurus, its a Dinosaur from Edmonton!

[eager thunder]

A raptor from Utah

[toxic oriole]

Its like Majungasaurus, its a Dinosaur from Mahajanga

[eager thunder]

The Australovinator was in fact, not from Austria

[fiery crow]

Chasicotherium, a beast from the Chasico Formation

[eager thunder]

Madagascarsaurus

[quick ore]

it's Australovenator

[cosmic cosmos]

wrong, is from europe

[eager thunder]

Isn’t that an outdated thing?

[cosmic cosmos]

its not even outdated, just a dumb thing WWD did lol

[quick ore]

also Australovenator means "Southern Hunter" it isn't making reference to a place

[eager thunder]

I thought it just really loved Australia

[slim flare]

The South is a place

[quick ore]

yeah but it isn't named after the country

the country is just named after the same thing as it

being southern

[eager thunder]

Can’t it be both

[slim flare]

No

[quick ore]

Australia is called Australia because it is entirely within the southern hemisphere

[slim flare]

Eh, kinda

[tulip umbra]

How do u guys pronounce -venator? I say it as ve-nuh-tor

But ive heard ve-nay-tor

[slim flare]

It was named after terra australis, a hypothetical Southern Continent which is equivalent to what we now know as Antartica. People kept looking for it, and gave up on its existence, so they named Australia after it as “close enough”. Then they discovered Antartica, but it was too late.

[quick ore]

ah gotcha

[slim flare]

More like renamed tbh

[cosmic cosmos]

i say it this way

[slim flare]

Australia had a few names after European discovery, Australia was only later settled on

Like New Holland

[shell sonnet]

And keep in mind, people thought Terra Australis existed because Europeans believed there had to be a big continent on the "bottom" to balance the weight of the "top" ones

[slim flare]

Idk why “bottom” and “top” have quotation marks but yes

It just so happened they were right about the continent

[eager thunder]

Because the earth doesn’t really have a bottom or top

That’s relative

[shell sonnet]

World doesn't have a top or bottom

[slim flare]

I mean, it does

It’s just they’re interchangeable

Which is irrelevant to thinking they must be balanced

[eager thunder]

I wonder how likely getting anything from the Ediacaran Period would be

[fiery crow]

most Ediacaran stuff was tiny and would probably be really boring to animate

[eager thunder]

Ediacaran decoration

If you can get away with any animal having a looping animation it’s them

Hell Charnia could practically equate to a plant

[coarse inlet]

What would be some good cold weather vivarium species

The only ones I can think of are from Yixian but there’s gotta be others. Any good cold weather Cenozoic stuff that isn’t megafauna?

[lean hound]

Late to the convo but

I think splitting it into three categories (small, medium, large) is the best way

[plain knoll]

Vivarium mammals

Ceratogaulus
Steropodon
Volaticotherium
Darwinius
Leptictidium
Deinogalerix
Hyracotherium
Castorocauda

*small mammal house

*expanding reptile house

Reptiles

Drepanosaurus
Coelurosauravus
Euparkeria
Najash
Vancleavea
Hovasaurus
Longisquama
Scleromochlus

[dusky obsidian]

Jurassic wishlist:
Kentrosaurus
Ornitholestes
Megalosaurus
Diplodocus
Ceratosaurus
Cryolophosaurus
Vulcanodon
Anchisaurus
Agilisaurus
Europasaurus
Yangchuanosaurus
Asfaltovenator
Saltriovenator
Metriacanthosaurus
Anchiornis
Camptosaurus
Chaoyangsaurus
Dacentrurus
Hesperosaurus
Protosuchus
Machimosaurus
Neosteneosaurus
Razanandrongobe
Wiehenvenator
Guanlong
Proceratosaurus
Juratyrant
Monolophosaurus

mostly carnivores but eh

[plain knoll]

Early mammal relatives.

Tetraceratops
Thrinaxodon
Suminia

[dusky obsidian]

i think bro likes mammals

[plain knoll]

Teraterpeton & any kind of small rhynchosaur

[plush nacelle]

It has to be either from eocene antarctica or holocene NZ

So probably not outstanding selection

[low bridge]

Anthropornis?? Dude, im just suggesting penguin

[left spear]

I disagree but technically Auk fits in, there's also Warrah which again i disagree but It does fit aswell.

[shell sonnet]

Clearly the right answer is "Ice Age Squirrel"

[plush nacelle]

So generally choice is either recently extinct bird or tooth / single bone from antarctica

[shell sonnet]

To be serious, Puijila darwini would work. It's found in the Arctic during the early Miocene and lived in a boreal environment

[plush nacelle]

Could go both ways

At up to 20kg in weight that thing is velociraptor sized

[shell sonnet]

It's a meter long, I think it would work better in the vivarium.

[feral cedar]

What would be some good alt species to add for Mosasaurus and Tylosaurus assuming the devs bless us with M. hoffmannii and T. proriger

[shell sonnet]

the different species under those generas

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-laptop-duh-gif-8033838636860661307

[shell sonnet]

It really doesn't matter; Mosa is a big enough name to have four alts

[feral cedar]

Yeah but does it need four different species

[shell sonnet]

No but it is a big name to get away with it

[feral cedar]

Alt species can be cool but I think they should serve a "purpose" so to speak. For example I don't really think we're missing out on not having V. osmolskae and only having one Velociraptor species because quite frankly other one doesn't do much for diversity, and its ecosystem is pretty much knock-off Djadochta. They're both in the Gobi Desert so big woop

[fresh ember]

TBH, I think M. hoffmannii and M. missouriensis are enough under that genus.

[plush nacelle]

I suppose it must have been really wide then

[left spear]

Leminnieri is fine, it's beaugei that is redundant

Fourth skin can be a prog alt or another hoffmannii skin

[shell sonnet]

M. hoffmannii is pretty wide spread; it's found in both NA and Europe, so it's not like there's a location edge the others provide

[feral cedar]

Saurolophus is a prime example of a species who would benefit directly from alts. The animal everyone wants is Saurolophus angustirostris, known from the Nemegt Formation and a contemporary of plenty of animals already in-game. S. angustirostris is known from a wealth of fossil remains, has skin impressions implying striping, and is of course gigantic. S. osborni is from Alberta Canada, way smaller than S. angustirostris, and does have skin impressions that show mottled patterns in contrast to the stripes of its Mongolian cousin

S. osborni would also fit with Pachyrhinosaurus and Edmontosaurus too, and it'd go great with Albertosaurus which is one of the most wanted DLC tyrannosauroids for the game

I'm curious to know if using these sorts of criteria in terms of morphological and geographical diversity if there are any good alternate species for our giant mosasaurs

[shell sonnet]

Tylosaurus does have some species that are strictly Europe and Africa (bernardi and iembeensis, respectively) but there's debate to be had if they actually belong under Tylosaurus and iembeensis' holotype has been destroyed

[ancient ibex]

TTBT, we don't know how big osborni could get as we have a single specimen

Still, would argue that having Prosaurolophus as a third alt would be neat, more Dinosaur Park rep

[ancient ibex]

They have massive temporal ranges, and they appear to be widespread across the planet

[hollow flower]

Tylosaurus as a genera lasted longer than the silurian

[slim flare]

Allegedly

[peak hazel]

that seems off

[feral cedar]

That's part of the reason as to why I'm more partial to sticking to hoffmannii and proriger as they're the type species and therefore the ones most likely to age well

[slim flare]

^

[feral cedar]

Also hoffmannii and proriger are the largest of their clades and also the mental image of people thinking of "Mosasaurus" and "Tylosaurus"

Besides, we can cover smaller mosasaurs using other clades

[left spear]

Pannoniasaurus 🙏

[feral cedar]

The entire plioplatecarpine branch consists of medium-sized mosasaurs who'd probably stick mostly to fish and the like, and I wouldn't mind Plioplatecarpus and Platecarpus alt genus combo to give mosa and tylo both a small brother, heh

[shell sonnet]

Mosa, Tylo and Platecarpus is really all you need for Mosasaurs: the most famous one, the second most famous one, and a small one

[feral cedar]

There's also halisaurines

Platecarpus being the "small one" is a disservice to halisaurines, those dudes are the small ones

Halisaurus itself could work, but maybe Phosphorosaurus since iirc the latter has a much more noticeable nocturnal adaptation, and I do think that for some reason Phosphorosaurus has escaped the Prehistoric Planet bandwagon where people become irrationally attached to a name because it was in [documentary]

So Phosphoro could be added for its own merits! Fun

[ancient ibex]

Phosphorosaurus is a quite decent approach to halisaurs ngl

[feral cedar]

Also this is completely irrelevant but I love saying its name

It's like saying "match lizard" for me because it sounds identical to the word we use in Spanish for matches, fósforo

[ancient ibex]

Still, the relationships between Phosphorosaurus, Halisaurus and Eonatator are kinda messy

[feral cedar]

That's a shame

But regardless, Phosphorosaurus, Plioplatecarpus+Platecarpus, Tylosaurus, and Mosasaurus are a solid roster

[fresh ember]

What about Globidens?

[feral cedar]

Globidens stops being interesting the moment it's not hungry anymore

[shell sonnet]

I guess Phosphoro or Eonatator depends if you want another animal for the Western Interior Seaway or not;

[ancient ibex]

Halisaurs also work with alts

[feral cedar]

I mean yeah if you really wanted to, you could add Mosasaurus hoffmannii and Tylosaurus proriger and then give them each a complimentary plioplatecarpine and halisaurine with alts

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, neither of the 3 genera are stable, but the SPECIES are recovered in a quite stable pattern

[quick ore]

were Mosasaurs the longest squamates ever or is that title held by snakes like Titanoboa

[ancient ibex]

Comparable I'd say

[feral cedar]

and we could get a mosasauroid for vivariums, perhaps Opetiosaurus since it's a bit larger than Aigialosaurus

Having Opetiosaurus to represent aigialosaurids and then Mosasaurus in a full exhibit aquarium would be comparable to having Eoraptor and then something like Brachiosaurus or Argentinosaurus

[left spear]

Just do Pannonia for a vivarium mosasaur

Cool name, complete, basal guy, freshwater animal and cool location.

It has everything you could ask for except formation sharing but that's pretty irrelevant for vivs

[feral cedar]

The only thing I don’t like about Pannoniasaurus is how big it is

Also Pannoniasaurus would not be vivarium appropriate

[left spear]

I mean i want It as a full aquatic

But it's also a valid viv

Even if on the bigger size

[feral cedar]

can it go on land?

[left spear]

Depends on who you ask

It don't see why It couldn't turtle crawl

It far below the crushing threshold

[coarse inlet]

probably

the full limbs aren't preserved but what is there is most consistent with plesiopedal mosasaurs and hunting in a crocodile-like fashion

[steep crane]

Which is better? M. missouriensis or M. conodon?

[shell sonnet]

M. missouriensis

[ancient ibex]

Mosa and Tylo covering both 12 and 7 meter long taxa would be neat

[abstract compass]

pliosaurus funkei

[warm ice]

Dallasaurus would fit in an aquatic vivarium im pretty sure

[sharp dock]

leptic is iconic

[open heron]

*The most famous one, the second most famous one, the third most famous one.

(I do generally agree though, with the addition of Pannonia as both a mid size rep and a freshwater one)

[feral cedar]

what species would cover the latter?

[tulip umbra]

How certain are we of the dorsal fin on Megapterygius? Cuz he could kinda stand on his own for mosasaurs. Underdog fr

[ancient ibex]

Or perhaps that was common across mosasaurs tho?

[ancient ibex]

nepaeolicus I believe?

[coarse inlet]

More certain than for any other mosasaur

that combined with the crazy flippers gives it my vote

[sharp dock]

what the hell is that thing

and why its got a sail

i mean, fin

[feral cedar]

I see, and for Mosasaurus?

[ancient ibex]

missouriensis

Mosasaurins were pretty much developing into Ichthyosaur-like animals by the maastrichian, they'd be going full torpedo if they hadn't gone extinct

[feral cedar]

Well, I reckon M. missouriensis and T. nepaeolicus could offer to bridge the size gap between the giants and the ~5.5m average of most plioplatecarpines

[steep crane]

So legit question. If and when implemented, how would full habitat aviaries work? JWE or?

[coarse inlet]

Hard to say but given the way this team has done things I'd suspect that it'd be far more flexible than how JWE does it

[plush nacelle]

JWE aviaries are freaking weird

If animals out there can exist outside them then why is it necessary to hatch them through aviary

[ancient ibex]

I suppose 3D enclosing barriers rather than 2D ones

ZT2 not getting the aviary expansion was a tragedy, and I hope PZ2 handles it in a better way than the JWE games

[static flame]

PZ2 is dead on arrival if it doesn't have flying birds

[ancient ibex]

Doubt that

[static flame]

even for birds that don't require aviaries it was pretty awful, the average animal pack was like 3 ungulates 2 carnivores, and then 2 potpurri picks (other mammal, reptile, bird)

[ancient ibex]

Most zoos are heavy on hoofstock

[static flame]

what would you even be buying if it doesn't have the most obvious added feature

[static flame]

by raw headcount and usually by total species count the average zoo has more birds than mammals!

[ancient ibex]

I doubt it would be dead on arrival

[static flame]

PZ ended with a total of one waterfowl

[static flame]

maybe if it has aquariums instead, but frontier has implied they don't want to show cetaceans in captivity IIRC

[ancient ibex]

I also don't really care much about fandom discourse regarding zoo games, it just gets quite toxic; joined Zoo Admin 20 years ago, and it really has been downhill from there

[plush nacelle]

PZ2 gonna have it hard tbh

[ancient ibex]

Honestly? Heard the same about JWE3, yet here we are

[plush nacelle]

Previous Frontier games didnt have community this active before sequel release

[static flame]

fwiw i lean more towards the "more species that are common in captivity so i can replicate realistic zoos, even if they aren't big ticket animals" side

getting prairie dogs in the north america pack was like christmas

i liked the idea of a petting zoo pack even if the breed picks were weird

[plush nacelle]

Not everyone is going to buy sequel, if Frontier cuts popular animals to sell them again in DLC

Or there is no aviaries or aquariums

[static flame]

probably not as important as those two but the exhibit box system needs a radical revamp too

no more tarantulas in a 4x4x4m box

[ancient ibex]

Planet Zoo sold over 5 million units since release, community discourse isn't really impacting that

Plenty of sales are made less by virtue of "this game has this feature" and more by "oh sweet, this is a great deal in the Summer/Winter sale"

[shell sonnet]

Even JWE3 sold well enough despite the higher cost

[ancient ibex]

Gamer outrage is at the end of the day quite irrelevant

[plush nacelle]

JWE3 sold barely better and this time there is no movie on sight

[shell sonnet]

And that's notable because the time to take advantage of the movie release had well passed

JWE3 did well in spite of the lack of release

[static flame]

frontier is generally good at listening to (and elevating) community voices
many of their weird DLC decisions had less to do with what they wanted and more to do with a lack of resources, which meant scrapping real aviary/aquarium plans and a lot of "filler" clone animals

well, not Good but above average for a company of their size

[ancient ibex]

"clone" animal is just disrespectful to animals

[static flame]

they have that survey which iirc is still active

[static flame]

i don't know how else you explain the final DLC pack including a second subspecies of asian elephant

they were operating on a skeleton crew and needed 7 slots

and granted, it came along with some very good ungulate picks (pere david's deer/blackbuck/nilgai)

but damn that pack needed something like a pheasant or monal

[ancient ibex]

TTBT, they could have gone with anything else and people would complain about clones; pretty much they wanted to try their hands at another elephant

(Agreeing on a pheasant being a better choice ngl)

[static flame]

if they were operating at full staff i don't think they would have added the bornean elephant

that's all i'm saying

the PZ team was absolutely gutted by layoffs

[feral cedar]

it is, though I will admit some species are definitely not ideal inclusion because of a superficial similarity to something else

Galeamopus for example

(Might’ve butchered the spelling)

[ancient ibex]

I mean we call them alts in this game

[static flame]

this isn't about the real life animals, but their gameplay function

the bornean elephant does not really "add" anything"

even with something like two subspecies of tiger, you can say that you had a tropical one and a cold weather one that represent very different ecosystems (bengal and siberian)

[ancient ibex]

People also talk weird about rigs; Deinocheirus using the same rig as Tyrannosaurus in this game is a thing

[static flame]

in PZ base the zebra and camel use the same base rig

DLC equines have their own rig

[feral cedar]

Granted, if I had to give Dippy an alt genus it’d be Dinheirosaurus or Tornieria to go with Lourinhã/Tendaguru

[ancient ibex]

Smol elephant (although forest african is a thing), Bengal and Amur tigers are also technically the same subspecies, but extreme populations and tradition in zoos

[shell sonnet]

Dippy doesn't need an alt genera, except for Barosaurus

[plush nacelle]

The most ridiculous part about bornean elephant is asian elephant size variation

[static flame]

yeah i should have said populations

[feral cedar]

Why would we give Dippy an alt genus from Morrison strata

[plush nacelle]

Since indian elephants found in thailand are exactly the same size, so in-game indian elephant can be as small as borean elephant

[abstract compass]

Carnegii/Hallorum/lentus

[ancient ibex]

Same reason Apato got one

[feral cedar]

If we added three diplodocines it’d work better to cover a different continent

[shell sonnet]

Could go for Supersaurus as well

[feral cedar]

Diplodocus carnegii/hallorum + Dinheirosaurus

[abstract compass]

super or baro works.

[ancient ibex]

Lourinha and Morrison have massive taxa overlap, and plenty of Lourinha species may have an uncertain future

[abstract compass]

Baro is lentus

[feral cedar]

It’s honestly kinda cool

[static flame]

PZ also just has wild size variations lol

[ancient ibex]

Hell, Dinheiro may be Super

[abstract compass]

tbh Dipy could be Carnegii/hallorum/lentus/vivianae with the last 2 just being interchangeable.

[plush nacelle]

Ya. Frontier really should research their animals better sometimes

[feral cedar]

Allosaurus europaeus/fragilis
Torvosaurus gurneyi/tanneri
Miragaia/Alcovasaurus
Dinheirosaurus/Diplodocus
Lusotitan/Brachiosaurus
Lourinhasaurus/Camarasaurus
Eousdryosaurus/Dryosaurus (horrible name lol)
Draconyx/Camptosaurus

Juratyrant/Stokesosaurus if you squint

[abstract compass]

pulling out the most far-off branched family cousins i see

[feral cedar]

what

[abstract compass]

just funny that i see alot of names that never show up, nor gets talked about alot, even some ive never heard of

[feral cedar]

oh lol

I’m not advocating for them I just think it’s cool how similar the ecosystems are

[abstract compass]

ah.

[feral cedar]

allosaurid, megalosaurid, stokesosaurid, dacentrurine, diplodocine, camarasaurid, brachiosaurid, dryosaurid, (tentative) camptosaurid

[abstract compass]

i dont mind Morrison getting the rep it has and deserves in PK lol

[feral cedar]

Yes

[abstract compass]

even though i share the sentiment of wider representation due to regions

hell creek is stuffed

[feral cedar]

it depends honestly

[abstract compass]

hell creek is the morrison of the cretaceous.

[flint sable]

not really

[shell sonnet]

that's dinosaur park

[feral cedar]

I think that the line I draw is simply that if you’re adding a prehistoric animal because “Oh we don’t have any animals from [country] yet!” then it’s not a necessarily ideal addition

[flint sable]

there isnt even really a formation comparable to the Morrison lowk at least in terms of size

morrison is like half of north america

[feral cedar]

Also it spans like 10 million years

[flint sable]

in terms of animal diversity you can say that ig yeah maybe

[flint sable]

but in terms of size and length? unmatched

[static flame]

what do you mean other than "most famous north american formation"

hell creek only covers about 2 million years, morrison covers 10

[ancient ibex]

Basically all of Mateus' taxa will be in unstable grounds

[feral cedar]

That’s how much time passed between Dinosaur Park and Hell Creek rocks

[abstract compass]

cant even make one casual comment without people going up in arms over it

[static flame]

and yeah also morrison stretches across half of the american west

[hollow furnace]

lord of the rings is the dark souls of one piece

[shell sonnet]

does that include longicullum

[feral cedar]

Who is this dude and what has he done

[shell sonnet]

sexual harassment

[abstract compass]

not wrong....not wrong at all

[static flame]

yixian is the posidonia shale of the kem kem beds

[feral cedar]

I mean that’s not good but how does it affect his taxa

[static flame]

(we need a posidonia shale paleodoc so badly)

[ancient ibex]

Working on his PhD at UNED

[abstract compass]

just because you said this, another 100 years wait time

[hollow furnace]

yes, lepidotes does need a documentary series

[feral cedar]

Lepidotes my beloved wastebasket

[hollow furnace]

not anymore

[feral cedar]

Is it free

[ancient ibex]

longicollum has been on a back and forth for 15 years after all

[quick ore]

their spotted hyena model is so bad...

[feral cedar]

-# Probably a good reason to focus on Dacentrurus instead. It’s outside the crossfire

[plush nacelle]

I will never understand why Frontier makes animal, when they have neither money nor time to do it right way

[feral cedar]

Hell, the attempt to unblur the post-EA ideas has Dacentrurus as a guess, it could’ve replaced Miragaia

[digital pendant]

Why is there even a rant about PZ here?

😂

Like if you all that mad then dont play it and/or spend money on it

Is that simple

[digital pendant]

For sure

Our god and savior

[hollow furnace]

Prehistoric Planet: Lepidotes

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-martin-scorsese-meme-martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-gif-7188464701423971028

[static flame]

the DLC animal quality got really good starting in ~2021

the base game designs are a relic of when they hadn't figured out a style which is why the lion especially is a bit cartoony,

[fiery crow]

the Southeast Asia and North America animal packs especially were fucking bangers

[digital pendant]

Guys this isnt a place for frontier talk

Dont make me repeat it

[ancient ibex]

The issue with Dacentrurus is that its type is in marine deposits

Like Juratyrant and Cetiosaurus

All in all, Dacentrurins and Stegosaurins being present in both Morrison and Lourinha is a thing

And long neck and spiky ass is a decent approach to them

But yeah, whatever you name it, it'd be neat to have

2 Morrison/Lourinha Stegosaurs, 2 Hell Creek Ankylosaurs, gimme that bwahaha

[static flame]

alright sorry for getting sidetracked

[coarse inlet]

Dinherosaurus would be a Supersaurus alt

With diplodocines I'd personally prioritize D. carnegii and hallorum, if it needs an alt genus go for Barosaurus but that might be too different

I love diplodocids but we don't need that many of them

[feral cedar]

Considering how similar Lourinha and Morrison fauna are it wouldn't surprise me if Juratyrant is from that general area as the European counterpart of Stokesosaurus and got washed up

[coarse inlet]

I mean that was its original identification

[feral cedar]

Eh, you're right. Besides I think that European species like Miragaia would seamlessly integrate themselves into Morrison-heavy habitats given just how similar the two biotas are

[coarse inlet]

but I'm skeptical of the idea that all of the Morrison and Lourinha stuff had overlap because, well

Lusovenator

we have no evidence of carcharodontosaurs in North America before the Cretaceous

and I feel like we'd have found evidence at this point if they were there

[feral cedar]

I think that might be because carchs came from Africa

[coarse inlet]

Yeah that seems to be the case

[feral cedar]

Veterupristisaurus is from Tendaguru's rocks, one of the earliest carchs. Scrappy as fuck but we have enough to know it's a carcharodontosaurid

I could see carchs moving up from Africa to Europe

[coarse inlet]

My point is that there’s eastern hemisphere fauna on Lourinha too

[feral cedar]

meanwhile the allosaurid, megalosaurid, stokesosaurid predator guild from North America/Europe is going on

[coarse inlet]

and ceratosaurid

[feral cedar]

Oh right isn't Lourinha housing a Ceratosaurus sp

I remember I dug up fossils from stego and cerato in Europe when playing JWE 1 long ago don't kill me AD this is relevant to the conversation

[coarse inlet]

There’s also some evidence of that guild in South America since we have Cerato’s closest relative from early Cretaceous South America and Torvosaurus teeth from the Late Jurassic of there

And alsfaltovenator might be an allosaurid as well. All from different times but it probably indicates some kind of overlap in these large predators throughout that time

[autumn plover]

To be fair the skull of Asfaltovenator looks very similar to Allosaurus

Like extremely so

[coarse inlet]

yeah

[autumn plover]

The top half is more rounded and it has smaller lacrimal but otherwise it’s the same skull

[coarse inlet]

I'm sure there are other differences to a trained eye

[shell sonnet]

We also don't have a Piatnitzkysauridae in Lourinha

A south american migrant

[coarse inlet]

Yeah but since Morrison has been explored for longer and in greater depth I don't take apparent absence from Lourinha as significantly as absence from Morrison

[autumn plover]

Lourinha also had an early Carcharodontosaurid

Lusovenator

[coarse inlet]

yeah that's the point I was making

there's no counterpart to Lusovenator known from North America

(also it's a non-carcharodontosaurid carcharodontosaur technically)

[shell sonnet]

I don't read too much into that given that we only found Hesperosaurus 40 years ago and Gargoylesaurus 30 years, over a century after Morrison was being explored.

[feral cedar]

Well, think of it like this; Europe and North America had an herbivore guild dominated by brachiosaurids, camarasaurids, diplodocids, stegosaurids, dryosaurids, and probably “camptosaurids” if Draconyx falls under that. These were in turn hunted by allosaurids, ceratosaurids, megalosaurids, and stokesosaurids

In Europe, carcharodontosaurids probably migrated from Africa upwards

In North America, piatnitzkysaurids migrated from South America

Both faunas include predators that most likely migrated north

[ancient ibex]

The closest route to Europe from Africa during the Jurassic may had been across North America to South America then Africa tho

[abstract compass]

wouldnt it be opposite?

[feral cedar]

oh

[autumn plover]

wait

where did Carcharodontosaurs evolve? Spinosaurs are thought to be Europe, Tyrannosaurs from Asia?

[eager thunder]

It’s not a suggestion since it’s confirmed but I am so damn excited for Utahraptors

[abstract compass]

the twist is that the origins of most theropods is actually europe (to my understanding but i hope someone can clear that one up)

[quick ore]

I hope their babies are cute

[eager thunder]

True

I’m personally hoping for Little fat chickens

[gleaming onyx]

Where's herbivorous dinos? I would love to see a therizinosaur of any type (erlikosaurus or falcarius to be unique), nigersaurus/amarg/bajada, any pachycephalosaur, and another ankylosaur

[proper raven]

Gastornis for a herbivorous theropod ok bye

[fiery crow]

the Gastornis in WwB is so funny

[slim flare]

At least Erlikosaurus has a skull

[coarse inlet]

Would Mesotherium be too big for vivariums?

[shell sonnet]

I'm going to say probably; looks Taco sized

[feral cedar]

fortunately there's 4 smaller mesotheres for vivarium consideration right there

[shell sonnet]

Actually, if that thing weighs close to a 100 Kg as max, then it's too big

[fiery crow]

first time I’ve heard of these things

[shell sonnet]

There's like over 50 genera of Typotherians to choose from, Mesotherium happens to be the biggest

[feral cedar]

Well ain't that unlucky

[cinder token]

Honestly forgot, though another chasmosaur and a therizinosaur would be nice.

[gleaming onyx]

If any more ceratopsians were to make it in I would like to see some unique ones like medusa or kosmoceratops as well as early ones like yinlong

[left spear]

Kosmo or medusa aren't unique ceratopsians

They're cool but not unique

If you want unique ceratopsians go Udano or Korea

[plain knoll]

Some viv birds

Confuciusornis - ARB
Falcatakely - ARB
Ichthyornis - AMP
Conuropsis carolinensis - ARB
Ectopistes migratorius - ARB
Proapteryx - TER
Iberomesornis - ARB

More burdzz

Kelenken
Gastornis
Haast's eagle - Viv??
Dodo
Great auk
Elephant bird
Gargantuavis

Sylviornis
Any kind of moa nalo

[peak hazel]

Gastornis is a FRAUD

[plain knoll]

TRIASSIC PACK

Herrerasaurus
Postosuchus
Lisowicia
Shringasaurus
Drepanosaurus
Thrinaxodon

[peak hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/asgore-true-truth-nuke-false-deltarune-gif-5459143638391269945

[left spear]

Shringasaurus?

[rapid yacht]

Gigantopithecus

[fiery crow]

hoping that PK implements climbing in the future akin to PZ. considering modern orangutans are primarily arboreal creatures Gigantopithecus might’ve been the same way.

[slim flare]

It’s way too big

It was 100% not arboreal

At least as an adult

[outer moth]

I’d still have fun making a habitat for em

Mostly cuz of the bamboo

We do need taller bamboo tho

I hate that zoo games only give us 1-2 short bamboo species and then no more

https://discord.com/channels/173172667623407616/1292940299491868774

At least give us like, taller bamboo options

[quartz estuary]

Since we lack the habitat Paleozoic animals (except vivariums), here's what I'd like to see in the game:

Edaphosaurus (3 species)

• Edaphosaurus pogonias
• Edaphosaurus cruciger
• Edaphosaurus boanerges

[desert flame]

Permian animals should be added.

Dimetrodon,
Inostrancevia,
Scutosaurus,
Moschops,
Cotylorhynchus

[fiery crow]

it would be a crime to not include Dimetrodon imo

[plain knoll]

💀

[fiery crow]

#pk-discussion message
AQUARIUM:

• Aegirocassis
• Allodesmus
• Ambulocetus
• Ankylorhiza
• Anthracosaurus
• Anthropornis
• Aquilolamna
• Archelon
• Atopodentatus
• Basilosaurus
• Bawitius
• Brygmophyseter
• Cameroceras
• Carolowilhelmina
• Champsosaurus
• Cladoselache
• Cretoxyrhina
• Cymbospondylus
• Dakosaurus
• Deinosuchus
• Drazinderetes
• Dunkleosteus
• Edestus
• Elasmosaurus
• Enhydriodon
• Eurhinodelphis
• Eurhinosaurus
• Globidens
• Helicoprion
• Hesperornis
• Heterosteus
• Hibbertopterus
• Hybodus
• Hyneria
• Ichthyosaurus
• Jaekelopterus
• Kairuku
• Kaprosuchus
• Koolasuchus
• Kronosaurus
• Leedsichthys
• Liopleurodon
• Livyatan melvillei
• Mahajangasuchus
• Mastodonsaurus
• Mawsonia
• Megalenhydris
• Metriorhynchus
• Mosasaurus
• Nothosaurus
• Ocepechelon
• Omphalosaurus
• Onchopristis
• Otodus megalodon
• Pakicetus
• Palaeoparadoxia
• Parapuzosia
• Pholiderpeton
• Plesiosaurus
• Pontolis
• Prionosuchus
• Protosphyraena
• Ptychodus
• Purussaurus
• Rhamposuchus
• Rhizodus
• Rodhocetus
• Rutiodon
• Saivodus
• Sarcosuchus
• Shonisaurus
• Smilosuchus
• Stomatosuchus
• Stratodus
• Stupendemys
• Tanystropheus
• Temnodontosaurus
• Thalassocnus
• Titanichthys
• Tylosaurus
• Vancleavea
• Xiphactinus
• Zgyophyseter

[peak hazel]

I don't see Cymbospondylus

https://tenor.com/view/all-roads-lead-to-rome-white-rabbit-gif-13308924322367947549

theres also some other stuff I think should be in the aquatic roster

[fiery crow]

oh this is just the non-vivarium aquatics I’d like to see be added

[peak hazel]

I'd add Cymbospondylus, Globidens, Metriorhynchus and Temnodontosaurus to that list

[fiery crow]

TANK (VIVARIUM):

• Acadoparadoxides briareus
• Anomalocaris canadensis
• Bothriolepis rex
• Cephalaspis lyelli
• Eretmorhipis carrolldongi
• Eusthenopteron fordii
• Falcatus falcatus
• Groenlandaspis mirabillis
• Hupehsuchus nanchangensis
• Isotelus rex
• Megalograptus welchi
• Megapirahna paranensis
• Mesosaurus tenuidens
• Omnidens amplus
• Stethacanthus productus
• Terataspis grandis
• Tullimonstrum tullimonstrum
• Xenacanthus decheni

AMPHIBIOUS (VIVARIUM):

• Acanthostega gunnari
• Anatosuchus minor
• Bernissartia fagessi
• Castorocauda lutrasimilis
• Crassigyrinus scoticus
• Cyamodus rostratus
• Dallasaurus turneri
• Gerrothorax pulcherrimus
• Henodus chelyops
• Ichthyostega watsoni
• Indohyus major
• Obdurodon tharalkooschild
• Odontochelys semitestacea
• Palaeophis colossaeus
• Phosphatherium escuilliei
• Placochelys placodonta
• Praepusa pannonica
• Proterogyrinus scheelei
• Psephoderma alpinium
• Sinosaurophargis yunguiensis

[peak hazel]

where's the vivarium megalodon

(the bivalve)

[deep lake]

did u add any of the tinybitty small cambrian animals? and paleozoic animals?

[fiery crow]

I’m not gonna add any of those because they’re way too small

[peak hazel]

Ophibinia was like 8cm long vro is way too small for any vivarium

[deep lake]

what no??
a herd of the 1mm creatures in a box viverium
or 8cm boy in a box

[fiery crow]

…I still think they’re a bit too small to be able to be seen properly

[deep lake]

dude thay are perfect for a 120 x 50 x 50cm viverium

everying is so big in the game
we need some small guys

[fiery crow]

I’ve seen a lot of people ask for stuff like this without realizing how small most of the animals from the Cambrian - early Devonian period were

[deep lake]

i know how small thay are

[fiery crow]

don’t get me wrong. I’d LIKE to see stuff like Hallucigenia or Haikouichthys added. but they’re fingernail-sized at best.

[deep lake]

but many fish are less then 8cm or shrimp, and yet thay are good as pets and good for zoo

[fiery crow]

think about it like this: would you even be able to see them if you didn’t zoom in on them?

[deep lake]

true
but we need small areas for small creatures in our parks. everything dosnt have to be as big as a lion if not bigger

[fiery crow]

most of the vivariums fill those holes perfectly. Simosuchus, Diictodon and Sahonachelys aren’t what I’d call big by any measure of the imagination.

[deep lake]

in first persone yes.
theres also ants in the insect feeders
thay arnt big

[fiery crow]

…those are the insect feeders? what’s your point jesus.

it’s like arguing with a brick wall

[deep lake]

you can see the insect
and thay are tiny
so you can also see small creatures in vivariums

[fiery crow]

oh great googly moogly

https://tenor.com/view/face-palm-judge-simon-whatever-frustrated-gif-5247783

[quick ore]

feeder insects aren't detailed

[steep tulip]

(____ ______ ___ __________)

[deep lake]

yea but you coud still make them detailed if you tryed

[lean hound]

smh

[deep lake]

theres paleozoic animals that are 1.4 meters
and 30cm

[lean hound]

you weren't talking about them 2 minutes ago

[tulip umbra]

Ok? U were talking abt something else

[lean hound]

changing your suggestion mid debate isn't convincing at all

[fiery crow]

also I included:

• Acadoparadoxides
• Anomalocaris
• Omnidens

that’s like. all the Cambrian animals I could see getting in.

[deep lake]

i didnt mean to make that convincing, the 1.4 meter animals. no one was awncering after you said smh so i gussed the debate was done. might ben wrong.

[quick ore]

I'll be honest, you don't really need many paleozoic reps aside from the major potential Carboniferous species (namely arthropods) and the many options from the Permian, unless we get fully aquatic dlc and can add stuff like the Dunk

[fiery crow]

this debate is not getting anywhere.

[deep lake]

then les stop it

[fiery crow]

I’m fine with that

[quick ore]

Anomalocaris is important ofc but the Cambrian doesn't need a ton of representation anyway

[fiery crow]

if we got just Anomalocaris and Omnidens I’d honestly be happy as a clam

[lean hound]

you mean for vivariums right?

[deep lake]

u guys think any of these coud be in a box tank?

[tulip umbra]

Theres some fish they could add in viv if they opt for full aquarium viv at some point, especially within holocephali

[quick ore]

more in general, since before the Carboniferous you can't have anything besides vivariums unless we get fully aquatics

[fiery crow]

okay I had no idea Omnidens was that big

[deep lake]

those on top are just scaled up

thats why theres a line

seprating them

[shell sonnet]

We don't really know what Omnidens looks like though

[deep lake]

tho there are animals that are more then 1 meter

[fiery crow]

okay that Okulitchicyathus thing lowkey looks kinda cool

[deep lake]

i think 30cm is ok for box vivarium

[lean hound]

yes

[fiery crow]

there’s a LOT more Cambrian wildlife that’s actually viable for vivariums than I realized hoooly

[lean hound]

5, 7, 8, 6, and 17

[lean hound]

theres more I just cba to list them

[deep lake]

told you :D

[fiery crow]

anything at the top is scaled up though
chances are more than likely that they were actually pretty tiny

[deep lake]

i woud love to see dickinsonia

[lean hound]

Yeah those are the ones that would fit

[fiery crow]

a lot of Precambrian stuff probably isn’t too viable imo

[lean hound]

I don't agree that they should be added, but they would fit, unconventional or not

[tulip umbra]

Opabinia is def too small, what?

[deep lake]

dickinsonia is 90cm to 1.4meters

ooo trilobites
the bigger ones are good

[left spear]

I mean for size sure

But like

It's basically a coral

[fiery crow]

I remember seeing the super-old roster a few days ago

[lean hound]

Read the message above

[left spear]

As enrichment for other vivariums sure

[deep lake]

well.... yea but i woud still be facinated bu how it is
i woud love to see one by its self