Community Species Suggestions

[shell sonnet]

I doubt it

Different kinds of movement

[coarse inlet]

Very different

Arthropleura isn’t as flexible either

The biggest hurdle are the legs

Which is probably doable but would need an entirely different approach to do it

Given that they said that the u19 minis are fan favorites I’m sure the big bugs will be there since they’re probably the most requested vivarium species

[steep tulip]

Its less about the movement itself and more how they animated it
If they did it manually then yeah it wouldn't work with arthropleura
If they used shape deformations modifiers on the model, it would greatly help with animating arthro as well
Tho if they didn't, if they do add arthropleura, I don't think they will ever animate it manually

[mint creek]

Wait the devs confirmed u19 will have minis?

I didn't know that

[steep tulip]

Yeah in the message in the patch notes

The end of ea is u19

[mint creek]

oh lmao, didn't even see that

Okay forget Theri/Nothro then

[coarse inlet]

Yeah sadly

But still the minis rule

[steep tulip]

I wouldn't say it's impossible impossible

Since there's 7 herbis slots
But yeah rn not too likely imo

[peak hazel]

don't trust the dastardly trickster Mau when talking about species

[steep tulip]

They have surprised us before
And theri is a fan favorite animal
Maybe its already in the plans, maybe they will try to sneak it at the very end

[mint creek]

I've kind of been assuming the 7 herbivores were going to be Megatherium/plus alt, Doedicerius/plus alt and Edmontia/plus 2 alts. This is just a vibes guess based on the blurred roadmap, not informed from anything.

[spring ridge]

confirmed to be dlc?

[steep tulip]

While I do find it likely, to me the only one that is in 100% is the other edmontonia species

[coarse inlet]

Doedicurus doesn’t have a good alt though

And I’d be surprised if Arthropleura isn’t ther

[steep tulip]

There's one miocene species that is like a smaller doedicurus

Forgot the name

[shell sonnet]

It was on a blurry post-ea roadmap

[spring ridge]

mmmm

[shell sonnet]

Twice

[steep tulip]

The bison was the only one unblurred too

[shell sonnet]

One of them shall be the frog and the other shall be the arboreal lizard

[steep tulip]

All in on pterosaurs

[mint creek]

Yeah I'm not saying it's 100%, just kind of what I think is most likely

[coarse inlet]

I’m expecting the two bugs and a reptile

Maybe two reptiles

[steep tulip]

1% chance

[coarse inlet]

Dimorphodon sweep

[mint creek]

The two insectivores will be two of; a small fuzzy triassic critter, an arboreal lizard, potentially 2 funky dinosaurs or a small semi aquatic mammal

[coarse inlet]

lol

Sadly no room for Didelphodon unless it’s a surprise inclusion

[steep tulip]

I feel like its gonna be all critters that don't share much with current vivariums animals in behaviors and that's why they had to be pushed back

Or tackled later on

[feral cedar]

Dimorphodon pls

[mint creek]

There's so many good shouts for vivarium insectivore I don't even know who my most wanted would be

[feral cedar]

Drepanosaurus would be a fascinating addition too

Longisquama maybe

Beelzebufo is too requested to not be post-EA

[shell sonnet]

The turtle does change how small vivarium animals can be. Stuff that's 20 cm X 20 cm work.

[tulip umbra]

Arthropleura, Meganeura, Pulmonoscorpius, Beelzebufo, Leptictidium, Drepanosaurus are all vivarium frontrunners

Followed closely by Longisquama, Suminia, Platyhystrix, Sinosauropteryx, …

[coarse inlet]

Currently we have no actual climbing arboreal species

It’d be nice to get some

[mint creek]

Good point, Drepanosaurus might have become my front runner

[coarse inlet]

Drepanosaurus is peak, though I hope the new research mentioned yesterday comes out first

Cause wtf

[steep tulip]

They also mention in the patch notes how they will include tree climbing for the other arboreal species

In the game currently

Drepano seems decently likely

[fiery crow]

I wanna see Darwinius and Eosimias as climbing species

we need munky

[outer moth]

Btw is PK’s Titanoboa size accurate, by any chance?

I’m surprised that it’s not as big as I thought it would be

[steep tulip]

Seems accurate to me

Saw this image posted in the general chat now

Lol

[mint creek]

Museum and comparison image reconstructions always like to take the maximum estimate for species size afaik

[peak hazel]

yeah its usually coiled up but its upsetttingly large

[mint creek]

If PK's looks a bit smaller it's probably because it's taking a medium estimate

[outer moth]

Goddamn never mind
He’s definitely big

[steep tulip]

Nice to have 2 more south american species

[mint creek]

yeah max estimates put it at 14 meters afaik

hard to tell exactly how long PK's is but it looks about right

[fiery crow]

no way was it as big as the size comparison image makes it look though

[silver steeple]

It is

It just certainly can't make that same pose lol

[fiery crow]

more incorrect size comparison images

[silver steeple]

Ok

Not really sure what the point is here

[fiery crow]

I don’t think Dromaeosaurus was that big

[silver steeple]

Titanoboa is over half a meter tall, which is in line with the original image shown

And what we see in the game

[feral cedar]

ngl even if they keep Titanoboa available in terrestrial vivariums I think that the general work done on it is ideal to add madtsoiids anyway

It'd be funny if we maxed out the Maevarano Formation's roster of vivarium-worthy animals

Simosuchus and Sahonachelys are already in, Beelzebufo is almost certain if they're going to add fan-favorites... so why not just round it out with Madtsoia, Adalatherium, and Rahonavis?

Oh, and Falcatakely too

[quick ore]

Falcatakely feels like a toss up tbh

like we only have its head

[hollow furnace]

It’s a bird

[quick ore]

also I hope we get Wonambi

[hollow furnace]

The body probably looked like a bird

[feral cedar]

Wonambi + Madtsoia vivarium alt combo

Also I hope they give Wonambi a colorful skin to match the idea of it inspiring rainbow serpent folklore

Actually how willing would PK devs be to add alts for vivarium animals

[quick ore]

I mean it could have iridescence instead like rainbow boas

[silver steeple]

Definitely

This feels as a stepping stone

Get 1 terrestrial snake and you essentially get them all

[glass urchin]

You forgot one

I can’t go without a Eurypterid

I demand crab

[tulip umbra]

My bad i keep forgetting Hibbert is also fresh water

He deserves frontrunner status as well

[chrome wigeon]

It's because they scale the silhouette to the length, but the pose makes them too big

[plush nacelle]

I recently thought about U19 being vivarium packed

[quick ore]

tbh Hibbertopterus >>>> Pulmonoscorpius

[plush nacelle]

With 84 species roster there was really no place for single alt in U19 and after not doing free roaming minis devs are making more of them

[glass urchin]

I want both badly but if I had to pick yeah. Hopefully we don’t have to pick

I don’t know if the future vivariums are in the trello also. Cuz 3 carnivores, 2 insectivores, and the rest are herbivores

I know Carno and Utah are basically guaranteed, with the third rumored to be Kelenken although I’d be happy with it being Ceratosaurus too

[mint creek]

Maybe one day Jeholornis will return

This early design for it is so pretty

[hollow flower]

Man this vivarium update has me thinking of all sorts of creatures to be added

Leptictidium being at the forefront

[slim flare]

Still a little sad Mono is a vivarium

[quick ore]

we could get a different Alvarezsaur in the future that isn't

[slim flare]

Wrong

[steep tulip]

Yeah
Tho none are known from good remains

[slim flare]

It’s the biggest one

[steep tulip]

Patagonykus and bonapartenykus are both bigger

[slim flare]

U19 predictions:

3 Carnivores:
Carnotaurus
Utahraptor
Keleken

7 Herbivores:
Edomtonia + alt
Megatherium
Doedicurus
Arthropleura
2 other herbi vivarium

2 Insectivores:
Meganeura
Pulmonoscorpius

[quick ore]

what? no it isnt

[quick ore]

yeah exactly

[steep tulip]

Imo the better one of the 2 because we are aware of its relationships
Tho remains aren't great, it is enough ig

[plush nacelle]

Lepti is tricky

[steep tulip]

If pk manages to reach 100 species it would be awesome

[plush nacelle]

Because it might be one of the only few animals we figured out from new roadmap

[coarse inlet]

It will

No way it doesn’t

[shell sonnet]

Meteor strikes

[steep tulip]

I meant in ea
Currently there's 95 I believe? With all the spots in the trello
I had a brainfart and thought that new vivariums animals wouldn't be accounted in that 95 lol
But point still stands

[tulip umbra]

Whered u pull that from haha?

Patagonykus best pick, let it be known to the masses

[glass urchin]

There’s gonna be DLC’s which I assume may include vivarium animals

[left spear]

Alvarezsauroid but still

[lean hound]

Holy moly

[buoyant zephyr]

Where did they say this?!?!?!

[slim flare]

Patagonykus and Bonapartenykus aren’t true Alvarezsaurids

[plush nacelle]

I hope for small herbivorous mammal in vivarium for U19 then

[left spear]

Leptic

No need to complicate it

[slim flare]

Aren’t they carnivores, or at least omnivores?

[gusty patrol]

Permian fauna!

Featuring 20 beloved species of Permian (and early Triassic) animals across 12 genera.

PREHISTORIC KINGDOM - PALEOZOIC FAUNA (BY TAXONOMY)

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SYNAPSIDA:

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INOSTRANCEVIA: 🥩

• I. alexandri (Sokolki Assemblage)
• I. latifrons (Sokolki Assemblage)
• I. africana (Daptocephalus Assemblage Zone)

RUBIDGEA: 🥩

• R. atrox (Kingori Locality) + (Cistecephalus Assemblage Zone)

DIMETRODON: 🥩🐟

• D. angelensis (San Angelo Formation)
• D. grandis (Arroyo Formation)
• D. limbatus (Waggoner Ranch Formation)

ESTEMMENOSUCHUS: 🥩🌿

• E. uralensis (Ocher Assemblage Zone)
• E. mirablis (Ocher Assemblage Zone)

LYSTROSAURUS: 🌿
(Vivarium species)

• L. maccaigi (Lystrosaurus Assemblage Zone)
• L. declivis (Lystrosaurus Assemblage Zone)
• ALT SPECIES: Daptocephalus leoniceps (Daptocephalus Assemblage Zone)

EDAPHOSAURUS: 🌿

• E. pogonias (Arroyo Formation)

COTYLORHYNCHUS: 🌿

• C. romeri (Hennessey Formation)
• C. hancocki (San Angelo Formation)
• ALT SPECIES: Casea broilii (Arroyo Formation)

PARAREPTILIA:

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SCUTOSAURUS: 🌿

• S. karpinskii (Sokolki Assemblage)

TEMNOSPONDYLI:

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ERYOPS: 🐟
(Vivarium species)

• E. megacephalus (Arroyo Formation)
• E. grandis (Cutler Formation)

PLATYHYSTRIX: 🐟
(Vivarium species)

• P. rugosus (Cutler Formation)

[trail moth]

i disagree with rubidgea, i'd probably add gorgonops instead

[steep tulip]

in the patch notes

[open heron]

Lycaenops outclasses both tbh.

[quick ore]

Rubidgea over Moschops?

where tf is Moschops

[open heron]

Rubidgea and Gorgonops are just doing the same thing Inostrancevia are doing but again, so unless they're alt genera they aren't quite as worth throwing in.

[quick ore]

yeah something like MOSCHOPS would be better

OH or Secodontosaurus

[left spear]

Based Lycaenops recognition

[gusty patrol]

Gorgonops and Lycaenops are nice too, I chose Rubidgea because it is Africa's endemic contemporary to Inostrancevia. Also because more underrated genera deserve love as well.

Perhaps a tiny gorgonopsid like Nochnitsa would be a wonderful addition to my Permian cast.

[quick ore]

maybe Cacops or Seymouria as a viv animal

[low bridge]

Let's End this Permian War and Talk about Nigersaurus

[trail moth]

or anteosaurus for that matter

[left spear]

Cacops my beloved

[trail moth]

eh

i'd rather brachytrachelopan or amargasaurus

[gusty patrol]

Rubidgea is more unique looking in my opinion too. It has a heavily thickened dorsal skull and disproportionately large canines. Smilesaurus has the largest canine size to body ratio, but is smaller and looks too similar to Inostrancevia.

[gusty patrol]

I wanted to add both, (Moschops and Anteosaurus) but I wanna stick to 20 species for now, I plan to draw them.

[low bridge]

Is Nigersaurus worse than them or what?

Rebbachi would go Nice in game

Nigersaurus is the best one

[trail moth]

i just think they're more interesting compared to Nigersaurus, i wouldn't consider an animal outright "better" or "worse" than another

[ancient ibex]

Nah, was an enant, so likely looked like an enant, which was the uncanny valley for birds lol

[gusty patrol]

We have so many dinosaurs already. Please give our non-dinosaur friends, especially those from the Paleozoic some love and recognition too.

[trail moth]

yeah we have 13 exhibit mammals right now

[slim flare]

Yeah, like Deinonychus

[gusty patrol]

As much as I love dinosaurs, I'd rather have one bizarre pelycosaur or therapsid over three new dinosaurs.

[steep tulip]

I fear you will have to wait for post early access content for them

we know dimetrodon is coming

[slim flare]

Nah, U19 will have a mammal or two

[low bridge]

Please be it Doedicurus

[steep tulip]

we might get a couple non dinosaurs tho

[low bridge]

And Megatherium

[trail moth]

nondinosaurs i'd like
Kaprosuchus, Anteosaurus, Inostrancevia, Moschops, Estemmenosuchus, Desmatosuchus, Deinotherium, Barinasuchus, Postosuchus

[steep tulip]

even if not paleozoic

[trail moth]

oh yeah Megatherium or another ground sloth as well

[gusty patrol]

As for mammals, I think some more underrated and bizarre genera would be nice. Synthetoceras, Xenoceryx and Eucladoceros, a genus with a stunning array of antler varieties to name a few.

[quick ore]

TETRAMERYX

[trail moth]

pseudosuchian sauropelta

[gusty patrol]

Yes!!!

[trail moth]

(desmatosuchus)

[steep tulip]

considering how simosuchus isnt put in "other reptiles" and has its own category,devs def want to add more crocodylomorphs

[trail moth]

speaking of -eryx suffixes, discokeryx would be really nice

[flint sable]

perhap...

[gusty patrol]

Crocodylomorphs would be amazing even if we only got a small handful of them. They're about as diverse in form as dinosaurs yet get so little recognition.

[low bridge]

Prolibytherium, Bramatherium, Climacoceras, Merriamoceras, Syndyoceras

[steep tulip]

stop mentioning these no names yall

where it the goat

[gusty patrol]

Though not a crocodylomorph (but an archosaur nonetheless) Erythrosuchus would be interesting. Its massively disproportionate head would make it stand out.

[steep tulip]

where is hoplitomeryx

[low bridge]

In Greece

Fighting

[gusty patrol]

Look at this idiot.

He is MY idiot and I love him

[low bridge]

In Cave?

[trail moth]

Arizonasaurus, Poposaurus, and smilosuchus would be awesome as well

[trail moth]

not a pseudosuchian, but shringasaurus would also be neat

[coarse inlet]

Also Qianosuchus if we get aquatic stuff

[gusty patrol]

Man, I love yall 😭

[trail moth]

poposauroids are so weird good grief

[plain knoll]

My triassic picks

[trail moth]

nothosaurus would be amazing for an MH themed park

(lagiacrus)

[steep tulip]

change notho with atopodentatus or tanystropheus since they were prob semi aquatic and this goated

[open heron]

Atopo being a sauropterygian I wouldn't have as a semi-aquatic just to be safe but Tany's always a classic.

[low bridge]

This Thread is rotten bye

[fiery crow]

Herrerasaurus
Postosuchus
Erythrosuchus
Shringasaurus
Desmatosuchus
Nothosaurus
Drepanosaurus
Thrinaxodon

[gusty patrol]

Drepanosaurus my beloved

[hollow flower]

Absolutely love this little critter

[open heron]

Made a little wishlist/bingo thing for some future vivarium species I'd like to see now that we know we're going to get even more in the future. (+ template)

[coarse inlet]

Stegoceras feels like it’d be a small regular species

[open heron]

Google images said that was Zavacephale

[coarse inlet]

Oh my mistake

Yeah that’d work

Though they’re similar in size actually

Wait never mind Zava is smaller

Though it isn’t an adult

[open heron]

As is the case with basically all small/dwarf dinosaurs

we have Compy so it should be fine

it was either have subadults/juveniles, or barely any/no dinosaurs at all

[river perch]

it never occured to me until just now that it would sit like this and i absolutely love it

[open heron]

Suppose you could argue the latter would be better since most of the exhibit species will be dinosaurs

but then it becomes a mither trying to list enough frugivores to fill it out (fruit evolves in the mesozoic so you lose out on a lot of the cool funky critters.)

[fiery crow]

what’re all of these s’posed t’ be?

[coarse inlet]

That’s not really true

[open heron]

I mean you'll have alvarezsaurs and pennaraptors sure.

[coarse inlet]

And heterodontosaurus

And lots of other small ornithischians

Also some Noasaurs

[open heron]

I would not be shocked if most of those become contested in the future too

[coarse inlet]

Basal Sauropodomorphs like Saturnalia and Panphagia

[coarse inlet]

That’s ridiculous

Small size is the basal dinosaur condition

[open heron]

(I was more referring to the noasaurs than the heterodontosaurs there)

[coarse inlet]

Heterodontosaurus is confirmed as an adult

Noasaurs I can see

Though Limusaurus is known as an adult so some were genuinely small

[open heron]

I'm just not willing to count out anything beyond basal triassic/early jurassic critters being a juvenile considering we were confident Beip and the compies were adults at first and now it's looking to be (or is known to be in Beip's case) otherwise.

[coarse inlet]

Some Heterodontosaurus specimens were a lot larger than other adults, not clear if it’s a dimorphic thing, species stuff or individual variation

[slow shoal]

brief wishlist for vivariums

please please please champsosaurus and vanclavea

[coarse inlet]

Good list but wouldn’t Dimorphodon fit better than Pterodactylus

Since it’s smaller and actually arboreal

(Also they should save Vancleavea for full size aquatics)

[open heron]

I'm like 99% confident that Dimorphodon's bigger than Pterodactylus

[steep tulip]

How aquatic was vanclavea?

[left spear]

Henodus should also be in aquariums not amphibious terrariums

[coarse inlet]

As an adult? Most of the Pterodactylus specimens are babies

[coarse inlet]

Henodus is tiny

[left spear]

It's a fuck ass big amphibian thing

Think of chinese salamanders

[slow shoal]

its more crocodile

i forget the exact species relation but its a reptile

[coarse inlet]

It’s a dosweliid

[steep tulip]

Its an archosauromorph yeah

[left spear]

It's still probably a salt water animal

[steep tulip]

No idea why so many people slap crocodiles stuff onto it tho

[slow shoal]

cause it had that

[coarse inlet]

No

[open heron]

It's the one placodont known from freshwater deposits

[coarse inlet]

The armor from vancleavea is entirely known

[coarse inlet]

It’s crazy

[slow shoal]

crocotter

[coarse inlet]

Way more armored than a croc

[left spear]

Fuck

[open heron]

We do have isolated elements of adult pterodactylus, and it still looks a fair bit smaller than Dimo.

[coarse inlet]

Ah

For some reason I thought it was bigger

[steep tulip]

The scutes? Sure
But the green coloration and slit pupils and the crocs mouth seems a stretch considering it was pretty ecologically different

[coarse inlet]

Regardless Dimorphodon is the most adept climber known among pterosaurs

[left spear]

I mean if you want a freshwater viv pterosaur go eudimorpho

[coarse inlet]

The green coloration isn’t even known in crocodiles

[left spear]

With Eudim and Dim you already fill 2 vivarium types

Have Anurogh as a second Arboreal and idk what could fit terrestrial vivariums

Honestly burrowing Anurogh would be fun

[coarse inlet]

Venetoraptor if those guys at svp are right

[open heron]

I do really wish we had a type that had both percing spaces and water, cus Ichthyornis would be really nice at some point tbh.

[left spear]

Eh Veneto was pretty much still a climber most likely

Would be like terrestrial suminia

[steep tulip]

Yeah we would need more variation in the futures

[coarse inlet]

It’s Sifaka-like

[left spear]

Sure they can live there but It kidna negates the point

[steep tulip]

Even something like henodus that wouldn't be able to go onto land would prob need an all water vivarium

[coarse inlet]

So they climb but they’re better at hopping

[left spear]

Cliff vivarium would be really nice

[coarse inlet]

I feel like Henodus would probably need to be able to go on land

And animal like than can’t give live birth could it?

[left spear]

Henodus could atleast sea turtle crawl

[coarse inlet]

The shell would be a huge issue

[left spear]

Idk if they would really but still

[steep tulip]

Not sure

[open heron]

I'm pretty sure that placodonts were basically the only sauropterygians that could go on land. (and atopo ig)

[steep tulip]

But compared to stuff like sea turtles its limbs would have pushed it barely foward due to their size and position

So idk

[open heron]

We have Dip and Tik

both of those had similar issues (minus the giant shell)

[steep tulip]

I know its debated for placodus but henodus was pretty confidently not spending time on land

[left spear]

Could Diplo even like walk somewhat competently

[coarse inlet]

I doubt it’d be worse than Tiktaalik

[steep tulip]

Well it could go onto land

We have evidence of it

For diplocaulus I mean

[left spear]

Would It be proper salamander walk or the bad belly crawly of giant salamanders and sirens

[coarse inlet]

Yeah it could burrow

[left spear]

Subaquatic burrow

[coarse inlet]

True but my point is more that if the limbs can do that they can probably move it around

[open heron]

TBH I wonder if we'd dismiss the idea of seals (specifically earless seals) and sea turtles going on land too if we didn't have living specimens or close relatives to look at.

but that's more of a science chat convo topic lol

[left spear]

Yeah that's fair, animals sometimes just say Fuck you to apparent biomechanics

Bison really don't look like they can jump fences

[quick ore]

what did u make this with?

[open heron]

Looks like Google Sheets

[slow shoal]

yeah

i REALLY want champsosaurus

at first i was wondering if it was too big, but most species are about as big as tiktaalik

[open heron]

I feel like Champso could get the same thing a lot of people are expecting for Dimetrodon where some species get put in the vivarium and others can free roam.

[slow shoal]

i doubt thats gonna be a thing personally

[coarse inlet]

Yeah so long as it’s not the huge Paleocene one I’m sure it’d be fine for vivariums

More likely they’ll just do limbatus, grandis, and angelensis

[steep tulip]

Kosmodraco is also pretty big

[slow shoal]

arroyo is already in thanks to diplo so grandis feels like even more of a shoe in now

[steep tulip]

If they want to put chasmo in vivariums

[open heron]

Grandis is the most famous species so it was guaranteed from the start tbh.

[coarse inlet]

Grandis was always gonna happen

Yeah

[left spear]

On the topic of crocodiles what would Meko get?

[open heron]

100% confident Grandis and Angelensis are locks.

[left spear]

Large arboreal or terrestrial without caves

[coarse inlet]

Terrestrial or semiaquatic

[quick ore]

not arboreal what

[coarse inlet]

Since that’s what I’d do for a dwarf croc which it’s similar to ecologically

[quick ore]

arboreal mekosuchus is debunked

[tough marsh]

Angelensis is kinda terrible

[steep tulip]

More than 4 meters long damn

[coarse inlet]

Sadly no longer thought to be a thing

[left spear]

It still has a lot of climbing adaptations

[coarse inlet]

It’s the biggest one though

[left spear]

So really the climbing enrichment would fit

Not the trees themselves

[steep tulip]

Not really

[tough marsh]

It’s also the one I don’t think it’s reconable

[coarse inlet]

The tree things in the other vivariums would be enough climbing space

[open heron]

Also, since it no doubt took the devs a lot of work to get Titanoboa working right, do you think they'd want to get more snakes out of the anim set at some point?

[steep tulip]

It probably could climb to an extent like some crocodilians today

But not full on tree climbing

The terrestrial vivariums with the big logs are pretty great for it

[left spear]

Viv ones idk, maybe a madtsoid or Vasuki, but i think that if they get amphibious Titano then Palaeophis is very likely

[steep tulip]

If they manage to add a bit of water so it can take a bath as well would be great

[tough marsh]

Like it’s really ehhh

[open heron]

Given it's about the same size you could probably get V. indicus in without needing to fiddle with the animations too much.

[steep tulip]

I kinda want madtsoia more

[fiery crow]

boys what do we think of Diablophis

[steep tulip]

Funny critter

[quick ore]

Madtsoia, Vasuki, and Wonambi would all be great and I doubt they would be that hard to make individually

like if you make one you basically have the rest right

[left spear]

Sure, probably the only non-snake vivarium squamate that has a chance of making It in save maybe Gigarcanum

[steep tulip]

Is wonambi a madstoiid too?

[quick ore]

Wrong; Tiliqua frangens

[tough marsh]

What’s the size range of Viviaruems btw?

[steep tulip]

Or whatever their family called

[steep tulip]

Wym

[left spear]

Paleosaniwa maybe too but that could be either viv or exhibit

[steep tulip]

Like max size?

[fiery crow]

as much as I’d like to see Najash it’s way too tiny

[quick ore]

yes

[open heron]

I could see us getting Palaeosaniwa too tb- yeah

[tough marsh]

Like the largest yeah

[steep tulip]

Max size can fit a trex

[steep tulip]

Oh that's cool

[fiery crow]

I think I would prefer Palaeosaniwa to be a vivie tbh

[tough marsh]

Thank you

[steep tulip]

Np

[tough marsh]

Gaiasia

[left spear]

Bitable fella

Sure why not

But good look getting Mau to notice it

[cosmic cosmos]

the larger hell creek species is potentially 2m+, the smaller one would be viv tho

[steep tulip]

This one cool

[fiery crow]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/prehistoric/images/6/67/Art_impression_of_Gaiasia_jennyae.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1200?cb=20240812025207

looks like a tadpole on steroids

[tough marsh]

Melosaurus is also pretty small so could work

[tough marsh]

It’s a Permian basal Tetropod

Like crassi

[cosmic cosmos]

what did you make this in?

[steep tulip]

Champsosaurus maybe also had sexual dimorphism with females having more robusts limbs

[fiery crow]

just looked at it, looks a h but it too big for me

[tough marsh]

That’s the

[open heron]

paint net

[tough marsh]

Not correct

[quick ore]

if Mau noticed Sahonachelys I don't see why he wouldn't consider a giant shingleback skink

[tough marsh]

Online uses largest species estimates

[steep tulip]

Don't think it would be noticeable ingame that much
But if devs sneak it in would be cool

[tough marsh]

That’s just wrong

[left spear]

Sahona was probably noticed because of the need for a small generic turtle, and standed out due to it's recent discovery, there are sadly more noticable choices for small lizard than T. frangens

[cosmic cosmos]

i have this in my squamate list, it comes from the same caves as diprotodon and varanus so i think its an awesome addition

[fiery crow]

wait Najash isn’t tiny. it’s three feet long. it was definitely bigger than Sahonachelys even.

[quick ore]

frangens wasn't small, at least for its group

it was the largest skink ever

and yeah it's from the pleistocene and would share formations with other species like Diprotodon and such

[left spear]

Small for vivariums

Which is to say like 10-60cm

The formations are a bit benefit that being said

[quick ore]

it was 2 feet long

and over 2kg

[cosmic cosmos]

its also quite distinct, only T rugosa looks alike to it out of all the Egerniinae

[quick ore]

AND it's a shingleback

a social species

so it wouldn't be by itself in its viv

[cosmic cosmos]

they mate for life which is super unique for a reptile

[quick ore]

yeah exactly

skinks as a whole are a fascinating bunch

[fiery crow]

I love blue tongue skinks. they’re so chill.

[cosmic cosmos]

same, theres one that lives under our porch that i see from time to time

[quick ore]

oh shit r u aussie?

[cosmic cosmos]

yeah

[quick ore]

nice

I love how no one knows what Tiliqua means

the guy who coined the genus never gave an explanation

its etymology is a mystery

[fiery crow]

THIS is too tiny for some people?

[quick ore]

I KNOW RIGHT

[cosmic cosmos]

i wouldnt be surprised if it originates from an indigenous word

[fiery crow]

mfs must think Hallucigenia is viable

[quick ore]

perhaps

or he thought it sounded nice

[open heron]

Sahonachelys and Diictodon evaporating from the game for being smaller than T. frangens and therefore too small for PK.

[steep tulip]

Tilapia sweeps

Mot tilapia lmao

[cosmic cosmos]

dumbahh invasive fish

[steep tulip]

Tiliqua

[fiery crow]

does Sahonachelys give something like Hylonomus a chance

[steep tulip]

Hylonomus is one of many lizard like stem amniotes/early amniotes

So maybe

[fiery crow]

it’s probably the most notable

[steep tulip]

I could see one getting in

[open heron]

I feel like Hylonomus always had a chance just based on its historic value but.

[fiery crow]

certainly anything smaller than 20cm has no chance

[cosmic cosmos]

what fmt is simo from in game?

[quick ore]

imo the best australian viv species would be Tiliqua frangens, pig footed bandicoots and Microleo unless i am forgetting something

[fiery crow]

mekosuchians?

[trail moth]

Maevarano

[cosmic cosmos]

thx

[steep tulip]

Only good one is new caledonia

[open heron]

I'd mostly agree, but I think the devs will still try to squeeze Opabinia in if we get aquariums.

[quick ore]

yeah Kanaky isn't australia

[fiery crow]

Mekosuchus…

[steep tulip]

There's another one known from indonesia a bit bigger than mekosuchus

But its very fragmentary

[left spear]

Mekosuchians were an Oceanian thing in general

Any remotely big island probably had them

Boungaville for example probably had

[fiery crow]

gods I would hope not. I wouldn’t be able to see it.

[steep tulip]

No wait there's actually one small from australia

Trilophosuchus

Those also known from pretty scrappy remains

[open heron]

Just make it an ungodly level of vibrant and iridescent and slightly upscale it.

I think it's just such an interesting critter that making it bigger in order to have it fit would be worthwhile.

[steep tulip]

I agree

[left spear]

Cambrian animals have pretty wacky size ranges

I wouldn't be surprised if Opa could reach bigger sizes

[steep tulip]

While Im fine with vivarium champsosaurus
I hope we get a choristodere for full exhibits

As well

[hollow valve]

Great point. Although iirc, nothing truly ginormous popped up until around the Ordovician or Silurian, when Orthocones and Giant Sea Scorpions evolved.

[steep tulip]

Lazarussuchus could be cool as well

Hyphalosaurus even better for vivariums

[left spear]

Hydra

[cosmic cosmos]

other than gigarcanum, any good arboreal squamates?

[steep tulip]

Uhm

Oh yeah

That rhynchocephalian from solhofen

[left spear]

Those aren't squamates

But yeah "Lizard"

[steep tulip]

Ik not squamata but pretty close

[cosmic cosmos]

lepidosaurs

[left spear]

I mean if we're going for rhycocephalians then do Prioshenodon

1m long Tuatara is cool

[steep tulip]

Sphenodraco

Was lumped into another genus until recently

[steep tulip]

Eilenodon was bigger

[left spear]

Skull recon

But ig It does have Morrison going for it

[steep tulip]

We have more from eilenodon but unfortunately it isn't that we studied

[heavy scarab]

When the recently extinct DLC comes out I hope they include the Passenger Pigeon as an arboreal

[steep tulip]

This is the biggest specimen we have

[cosmic cosmos]

what is the suspected diet of the arboreal one

[left spear]

?

[cosmic cosmos]

the arboreal rhynchocephalian angery mentioned

[fiery crow]

how we feeling about this little guy as a potential vivie

[cosmic cosmos]

he looks super huggable

10/10

[fiery crow]

might be the only chance at a vivie proboscidean

[cosmic cosmos]

wait- thats a probosicdean

damn

[steep tulip]

Insects and other small animals probably

[steep tulip]

Wouldn't complain

[fiery crow]

just think about how cool a vivie proboscidean would be

[cosmic cosmos]

ty

Any good basal mosasaur relatives that are viv sized?

[open heron]

Dallasaurus is the right size but I don't know if it could haul itself onto land at all

[fiery crow]

Dallasaurus works yesh

[wary nacelle]

Bolg and only just because of the name

For vivariums ofc

I also do desperately want scleromochlus because I love this guy and he jumped like a jerboa mayhaps

Vivarium too

[quick ore]

isnt that recon outdated

[wary nacelle]

Shhhhhh

Sh

Sh

Sh

Let me live in my fantasy

Every man has a place

[slim flare]

No

[quick ore]

I am no man

[wary nacelle]

In his heart there’s a space

And the world can’t erase his fantasies

-# that’s Fantasy by Earth Wind and Fire

[eager thunder]

My fantasy is Bambiraptor

[slim flare]

Really? Why?

[quick ore]

what's so special about it

[wary nacelle]

I love Bambiraptor but even then it’s nothing much

At least sclero has some interesting part about him

[gusty patrol]

Small dingus raptor

What's the name of the fairly recently discovered duck-like dromaeosaur?

[tulip umbra]

Was Halszkaraptor that recent tho?

[nocturne tartan]

Pentecopterus is like really cool to me and would be cool to see in game

[flint sable]

~8 years

so relatively speaking, yeah pretty recently

[flint sable]

2017

[tulip umbra]

He would be very cool, but gonna have to wait for a marine environment update at the very least

[gusty patrol]

Look at this dude
Artist credit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Dinosaurs/comments/16k6w1w/here_an_emotional_support_halszkaraptor_art_by_me/

[eager thunder]

I’m nostalgic for a comic that I saw it in

[eager thunder]

And since then it’s Just had a little corner in my mind

[slim flare]

Which comic?

[eager thunder]

This one [in fact, looking back that animal on the cover resembles the in comic Bambiraptor]

The more I remember it the more funny it was for the time cause for one, it tried to both sides the scavenger vs predator T. rex thing

[outer moth]

Looks like Shen the ringtail to me
From Night of the Extinct

[eager thunder]

Sounds like a night of the museum spin off

[outer moth]

It’s another mascot horror on steam but it’s pretty neat
Bit short tho, I do wonder if they’ll have a chapter 2

[eager thunder]

Oh wait is that the thing with the weird sabertooth design?

[plain knoll]

My Reptile house picks

[lean hound]

Why do people just send images without any context

[peak hazel]

It's the new thing

[left spear]

The new frontier of species suggestions

[plush nacelle]

True, but again updated roadmap

I think insectivores are meganeura and pulmono

So, if there is going to be vivarium mammal in U19 then it is going to be herbivore

[plain knoll]

Just try to guess

[lean hound]

No

This is a species suggestion thread not a quiz game show

[plain knoll]

Longisquama
Hovasaurus
Najash
Drepanosaurus
Rhynchosaurus
Vancleavea
Eunotosaurus
Hyphalosaurus
Scleromochlus
Bolg
Palaeophis
Henodus
Mesosaurus
Anatosuchus
Palaeosaniwa
Euparkeria
Pisanosaurus

Here

[left spear]

May god hear you on that 6th one

[mint creek]

Drepanosaurus mentioned!!! 🔥

[peak hazel]

Horrible evil vile creature

[left spear]

Troodon? Yeah i agree

[safe willow]

im coping for a long faced amphibian like Platyoposaurus

[gusty patrol]

How about Prionosuchus?

[safe willow]

s n o u t

[mental goblet]

Dinosaurs that sld be added:
1.Fukuivenator
2.Fukuiraptor
3.Kamuysaurus
4.Albalophosaurus
5.Fukuititan
6.Fukuisaurus
7.Hypnovenator
8.Koshisaurus
9.Sasayamagnomus
10.Tambatitanis
11.Tyrannomimus
12.Wakinosaurus
13.Yamatosaurus

From Japan

The dinosaurs here are from Japan

[quick ore]

the Thing, Japan dlc

[peak hazel]

Dinosaur park 😡
Dinosaur park, Japan 🤩

[peak hazel]

this meme is WRONG and FALSE
only Japanese Dinosaurs are cool clearly

its wrong generally because it puts pterosaurs and marine reptiles under the dinosaur umbrella anyway

[modern totem]

Add a super secret edgy variant for plateosaurus

[left spear]

Depressosaurus expressoensis

[hollow flower]

Were it not for my experience in ck3 of playing as the Ainu I would not have noticed Kamuysaurus in this list

And had I not looked it up I wouldnt know how complete it really is

With that being said, theres better hadrosaur additions than it

[left spear]

I mean it'd be decent filler

And a Hokkaidan dinosaur is nice

[shell sonnet]

There's better Hadrosaur filler by quite a bit

Maiasaura, Saurolophus, Kritosaurus/Gryposaurus come to mind

[left spear]

I wouldn't say Maia is filler

It's not that unique but It still has a lot of history

[quick ore]

I feel like we can agree that a Japan dlc pack, especially one of that size, is unnecessary

[left spear]

Oh that yeah

[hollow flower]

Yeah

[left spear]

For that size It would have to be East Asia in general

3 Japanese animals, Koreaceratops, Olorotitan and and a few chinese ones

[hollow flower]

You would find more success in pleistocene japan

[shell sonnet]

Koreaceratops is just a tail and feet, I wouldn't recommend it

[quick ore]

Olorotitan wasn't east asia either

[digital pendant]

Its in east asia what do you mean

[shell sonnet]

Yeah

[digital pendant]

It was found closer to mongolia and china than to the capital of Russia

Lol

[quick ore]

oh wikipedia said here so I thought not:
The remains were found in the Udurchukan Formation beds of Kundur, Arkharinsky District, Amur Oblast, Eastern Russia, in the vicinity of the Amur River.

so it was found in Mongolia?

[shell sonnet]

No

[quick ore]

oh then it isnt east asian

[shell sonnet]

It's found near the border of Russia-China

[quick ore]

near east asia isn't east asia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asia

[digital pendant]

East asia as a cultural region is not the same as East asia as a geographical location

[quick ore]

what is the geographical location comprised of

like whats the definition of it

[digital pendant]

Why are you being annoying over nothing. Legitimately. You are being argumentative over something so simple

[quick ore]

wh

im not im just asking?

[digital pendant]

Can be anything is vague as hell

[plush nacelle]

Olorotitan cant be in East Asia Pack, cause

We need it for Siberia Pack

[digital pendant]

The way you ask sounds very very argumentative

[short rover]

The location where oloro is found is east of Mongolia say I’d say that counts as east Asia enough

[quick ore]

oh wait

[digital pendant]

Like passive aggressive

[quick ore]

i wasnt trying to be

genuinely

im sorry

[digital pendant]

All good then

A misunderstanding

[quick ore]

also i found something closer to what u said

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Asia

er

no that doesnt make sense either

since it includes SEA

eh, Olorotitan doesnt need to be there anyway, we can just avoid the headache of its inclusion imo

[digital pendant]

Tbf olorotitan was ranging into china and mongolia back then so thats east asian enough

[quick ore]

we know that?

[digital pendant]

The formation is literally near the border...

[quick ore]

I mean it just feels to me that you would be better off including species that without any doubt were found as fossils in east asia

because it isnt like you are lacking options

[left spear]

It's literally on Manchuria dang

[quick ore]

manchuria?

[shell sonnet]

Here's the truth, the Amur river has been a source of conflict for Russia and China for centuries. If a few things had gone differently, it would be part of China and thus by certain definitions, East Asia.

[quick ore]

ah ok

makes sense to me then

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, it's part of the chunk the Russian Empire took from the Qing Dynasty

[digital pendant]

Yeah that area has been historically more part of chinese dynasties than Russia proper

[quick ore]

though idk if I want it over Kamuysaurus, I like the concept of a dinosaur from Hokkaido named after an Ainu word and it is one of the most complete dinosaurs found in Japan

[digital pendant]

This is why is best to deal with proper geographical terms instead of plain human borders when talking about prehistoric animals

[quick ore]

yeah

[shell sonnet]

Or really animals in general, as hard as we make it for them

[quick ore]

like how there's 0 reason to separate Papua from Australia when talking about Australia as a biological place

[digital pendant]

There are few cases in which the border might prevent natural migrations but yes this as well

[shell sonnet]

that's what the "hard as we make it for them" is for

[digital pendant]

Right right

[shell sonnet]

I remember seeing part of a Pronghorn migration as a kid for a nature doc and just watching them try to jump over a barbed wire fence

and quite a few failing

Pretty grim stuff

But I'm here to talk about possible future additions for the game, not possible future additions for the game

[quick ore]

East Asia DLC:
-Yutyrannus
-Therizinosaurus
-Kamuysaurus
-Lufengosaurus
-Pinacosaurus
-Chalicotherium
-Udanoceratops
-Gigantopithecus
-Repenomamus (viv)
-Kunpengopterus (viv)

[slim flare]

No Udanoceratops?

[quick ore]

wait was that east asia

oh shit it was

hrmmm

ok, replacing Embolotherium with Udanoceratops

for some reason I thought that species was in the middle east/eastern europe

[quick ore]

and im doing this because Megacerops is a better Brontothere choice anyways imo

[slim flare]

I don’t recommend Beipiaosauris because it has undescribed adult remains

[quick ore]

oh shit

ok lemme find something else

[slim flare]

Therizinosaurus??

[quick ore]

I chose it under the assumption that Theri was in the game already

because like

[shell sonnet]

Limusaurus

[quick ore]

that feels obvious

[shell sonnet]

Or something from Shaxamio

[slim flare]

When?

^

Yang, Mame, that Stegosaur

[quick ore]

no like

[shell sonnet]

Reality is that a single dlc pack doesn't do the region justice

[quick ore]

"in the game already" by the time this dlc would be made

[shell sonnet]

We don't know if Therizino is coming to EA

[quick ore]

oh wow

[slim flare]

I feel like we can determine how many species will be in a DLC pack by how many get added in a year of EA

[quick ore]

and how many is that?

[slim flare]

Therizinosaurus isn’t expected to be coming in U19, unless it’s shadow-dropped, which is possible.

[plush nacelle]

Idk. So far around 5?

[shell sonnet]

6 next year for U17 and U18; none of those being vivarium I assume

I don't know if I consider a year count to be a good idea

The devs are working on a lot of things besides animals

[slim flare]

I just feel it makes counts of like 12 too high

[slim flare]

But presumably all the art people are only working on that

[shell sonnet]

I'm in the 4-6 habitat,1-3 vivarium range personally

[quick ore]

oh i agree

[plush nacelle]

They are going to hire more people after launch tho

[quick ore]

like 12 is too high

[slim flare]

I could go up to 4 vivi personally

[shell sonnet]

Not sure. I want to think people drawing concept art, model building and animating are doing work on both animals and other stuff like staff and buildings

[shell sonnet]

If the game does well enough

[plush nacelle]

If the game doesnt there is no DLC so ..

[slim flare]

Because also there’s supposed to be regular updates too

[quick ore]

500 dlc slots

[shell sonnet]

I guess one reason I might be a bit cautious on the dlc size is based on what Frontier pushes out for PZ and JWE.

Then again, I don't know how much cross work is done by people between the two games

[plush nacelle]

5 animals every 3 months sound like safe way to engage players constantly

[slim flare]

I feel they couldn’t keep up with that

[plush nacelle]

Including vivariums of course

[slim flare]

I’m under the assumption of like 10 species, about 1/3 being vivarium, plus maybe a map or two, and a building set, with a price of $20 bucks coming out once a year.

[plush nacelle]

I assume devs will be able to afford to hire one or two more people responsible for making animals after launch

[quick ore]

they could also add like

easier species

like just altering existing models

[shell sonnet]

Given they took a pay cut at the start of this year, I wonder if they're more interesting in restoring their salaries first

[slim flare]

Australopithecus using the guest rig??

[plush nacelle]

Lets be honest about PK launch

[slim flare]

It’ll be a cultural reset

One

Trillion

Sold

[plush nacelle]

It simply cant launch this bad for devs to afford barely 10 species per year lmao

[slim flare]

What?

They already dipped into the red before

I’m unfortunately unsure launch is going to be this big boon

[plush nacelle]

I mean, if goal is to repeat EA launch at least

[slim flare]

It’s biggest demographic seems to have already purchased it

[autumn plover]

I foresee combat bringing more players than full launch personally

[slim flare]

I think if they nail hunting though, we could see draws from the JWE crowd

[autumn plover]

^

[plush nacelle]

Then 1m $ as goal is minimum

[slim flare]

Unfortunately, some systems will always be superior in JWE

[feral cedar]

It's the natural consequence of better funding

[autumn plover]

As long as funding lasts long enough to get the big 3 spinosaurs I’m ok

[slim flare]

I mean

[shell sonnet]

I would be fine if we just got the big two

[slim flare]

Spinosaurus and Baryonyx are confirmed

[shell sonnet]

Sucho is alt material anyway

[autumn plover]

Nah big 3

[slim flare]

Suchomimus was planned

[autumn plover]

Not sure anymore, but the most likely spinosaur

[feral cedar]

I think there's better species choices for post-release than Suchomimus as our third spinosaurid. And even then, a third spinosaurid should be something a bit more visually unique, like Ichthyovenator with its weird sail or Irritator providing something substantially smaller than Baryonyx

[autumn plover]

Icthyovenator doesn’t even have a skull and irritator is nothing but a skull

[feral cedar]

Which is why I think we're good on spinosaurs

[slim flare]

Honestly after Baryonyx, I’m good on Spinosaurids for the foreseeable future

There’s a billion better clades to flesh out

[feral cedar]

Baryonyx and Spinosaurus is top tier rep for that little group

[short rover]

A billion other…better is debatable spinosaurs are peak

[slim flare]

Theropod bias demands a billion more

[feral cedar]

Between them both we get Early Cretaceous and Middle Late Cretaceous rep, the different spinosaurine and baryonychine body plans, a more average size vs. a giant size, Europe and Africa...

[slim flare]

Carchs and Spinos are all Awesomebros want to see

[feral cedar]

This game is notoriously too abelisaurid-less to be talking about a third spinosaur

[shell sonnet]

You forget Tyrannosaurs

[slim flare]

*Ceratosaur-less

[coarse inlet]

We need at least 5 ceratosaurs before we get a third spinosaur

[slim flare]

I did not

[feral cedar]

To play devil's advocate we literally only have Tyrannosaurini represented atm

[slim flare]

Tyrannosaurs are out right now. They got too mainstream.

[open heron]

On all logistic levels I wholeheartedly agree but I still wouldn't complain in the slightest if we got Suchomimus.

[coarse inlet]

wait no I misread that

[shell sonnet]

That's really just the number of good Ceratosaurs period

[feral cedar]

Ceratosaurus, Majungasaurus, Carnotaurus, Elaphrosaurus, and Masiakasaurus

[open heron]

Cerato, Carno, Majunga, a noasaur, and?

[shell sonnet]

More than five is overkill

[shell sonnet]

Two noasaurs, Limu and Masiaka

[slim flare]

Another Noasaur tbh

[slim flare]

And/or Elaphrosaurus

[feral cedar]

Elaphrosaurus is better, larger size makes ontogeny much more viable for it

[shell sonnet]

I have them as alts

[shell sonnet]

Limu is also way more complete including having the parts that make the group interesting

I want both

[nocturne tartan]

i feel that a species like Mylodon would be a cool addition to the game or any other Megatheriidae

[feral cedar]

Elaphrosaurus and Limusaurus strike me as having a Polacanthus and Gastonia dynamic. The latter is more complete and helps inform reconstructions, but the former is the one that comes from an ecosystem people actually want represented LOL

[slim flare]

But yeah, Ceratosaurus. Carnotaurus, Majungasaurus, Limusaurus/Elaphrosaurus and Masiakasaurus is the complete Ceratosaur package.

[coarse inlet]

Ceratosaurus, Eoabelisaurus, Majungasaurus, Carnotaurus, Elaphrosaurus, Masiakasaurus, Spectrovenator, Vespersaurus, The Big One when it has a name, Skorpiovenator, Aucasaurus

[feral cedar]

Aucasaurus?

[shell sonnet]

Limu lived alongside Gunalong

[slim flare]

Oh shit?

[shell sonnet]

Shishugou has great options

[feral cedar]

Yeah but there's one problem

Contemporaries don't matter much if they eat each other

[coarse inlet]

also Deltadromeus if we're feeling generous

[feral cedar]

Guanlong, Monolopho, and Limu are all Shishugou, but getting the bonus for keeping them together is kinda dumb cause they probably won't get along

[slim flare]

Vivarium or exhibit?

[shell sonnet]

Exhibit

[coarse inlet]

Exhibit because ontogeny is the coolest part

[feral cedar]

Meanwhile Elaphrosaurus comes from Tendaguru, which also contains Kentrosaurus and Giraffatitan as heavily-requested additions so you can toss all three of them together and they can hold hands and sing kumbaya

[coarse inlet]

also so Elaphrosaurus can be an alt

[coarse inlet]

and Dicraeosaurus

[shell sonnet]

We don't need that one

[feral cedar]

Dicraeosaurus could help to fill out Tendaguru tbh

[coarse inlet]

it'd be nice for a Tendaguru exhibit

[feral cedar]

And I'd much rather the devs saw off an Amarga's sail and sell that as an alt genus than Bajadasaurus

[next saffron]

I am honestly so surprised we actually got an amphibian and a fish in the vivarium update

Those generally aren't really represented in games like this

[feral cedar]

the magic of vivariums

[next saffron]

Imma throw out a curveball for the sake of the representation of my country: Histriasaurus.

[open heron]

TBH I'm still a bit uncertain on Masiaka solely because the features that make it interesting just aren't going to be visible 99% of the time. Would need a few dedicated behaviours and maybe enrichment to make it stand out.

[feral cedar]

True

I mean Masiakasaurus is still great rep if the devs want to dip their toes into a second noasaurid but I'd give Elaphrosaurus priority

[shell sonnet]

It fills out Maevarano; and it's not like Limu losing teeth is going to super visible if you don't know where to look

[next saffron]

I'd imagine Arthropleura, Meganeura and Leptictidium are basically confirmed to be coming due to statues and art no?

[feral cedar]

Elaphro/Limu would be one of the few instances of a dinosaur fundamentally changing diets as it grows

[shell sonnet]

I wouldn't say that

[open heron]

Maevarano isn't exactly famished. (It's a miracle that we can actually say that about the formation if I might add, but still.)

[next saffron]

I also wonder what the aviaries would look like since I recall seeing PK Pteranodon art

[open heron]

It's already got two animals in the game, with multiple other more visually distinct species still in the running

[coarse inlet]

it's a long way off if it happens

[shell sonnet]

Pteranodon isn't coming unless the game is really successful

[coarse inlet]

they want to do it but funding is the issue

I'd be surprised if the game isn't successful enough to go that far tbh

[slim flare]

I just hope PK lives long enough to add back all the cut EA species. With the current roster, and those speculated to come by U19, it’d be a pretty nice roster.

[shell sonnet]

Most of Maevarano is vivarium based; Majung shouldn't be the only one that isn't

[open heron]

I think there's a real possibility that it may only end up successful enough to do one or the other, but I'd be very shocked if it doesn't do well enough to do either.

[next saffron]

What's the chance the game goes bankrupt before all the EA species return

[shell sonnet]

Too close for comfort

[next saffron]

oof yikers

[hollow furnace]

low but present (bankrupt is the wrong word)

[open heron]

Mahajangasuchus is there for people who want Kapro but with an actual animal to base a design on.

[hollow furnace]

It's unlikely the game would literally go bankrupt from my understanding of the financial situation

More like they would cut their losses

[slim flare]

We’re missing 12 cut EA species

Although Megatherium and Carnotaurus may be in U19

[hollow furnace]

Already counting Utah or not

[slim flare]

Utah is confirmed

So not considered cut anymore

[shell sonnet]

As much as I agree, Kapro is hands down the more popular choice and I feel the devs would choose based on that.

[hollow furnace]

Gotcha

[shell sonnet]

You did forget Edmontonia

[slim flare]

True

So we may be missing 9 by release

[wary nacelle]

Oregramma as a vivarium species and even though there weren’t really butterflies this was a butterfly mimic so uh yeah

It could probably be a frugivore

On a non-specific dinosaur

[quick ore]

imagine a walkthrough lacewing exhibit

[steep tulip]

Tbh if you are going to reference mahajanga for 90% of kapro, you might as well turn it into an alt

[plush nacelle]

I know, but is material we have similar enough?

At first glance kapro skull is really different compared to mahajanga one

[slim flare]

Dyrosaurus

[low bridge]

Barinasuchus where?

Or Fasolasuchus

[feral cedar]

At first I was gonna say “That’s not a Dryosaurus” then I read the name again

[ancient ibex]

Lysdecsic iguanodon'ts

[flint sable]

gonna make another RE list

this time not based on the old kickstarter with changes, just what I personally want and think is feasible

[idle hearth]

You forgot Megarachne

[tulip umbra]

Megarachne was not a spider

Hibbert, Megalograptus, Jeakelopterus all take precedent over Megarachne imo

[plush nacelle]

Would it be possible to design megarachne as more spider like?

If I am not mistake it was rather rare for eurypterid found in freshwater

[tulip umbra]

Id still prefer Hibbert as the fresh water eurypterid tbh

[flint sable]

Mistercdp's Ultimate Recently Extinct Species Pack

Message 1/2

Features

Animals
6 New Habitat/Exhibit animals (not counting alts)
2 new Vivarium Animals

Pieces
8 new pieces (signs for the animals)
2 new variants for the Colored Animal Posterboard (Dodo and Thylacine)
~7 new plants; in the Coastal and Temperate Biome, from Eastern and Southern Australia/Tasmania and New Zealand.

Misc

A new "Boreal" type preset for Vivariums

Exhibit Animals

Dodo
3 skins. One would be based on the likely irl coloration, similar to the painting by Ustad Mansur. Another based on living close relatives like the Victoria Crowned Pigeon and Nicobar Pigeon; it blueish green, could even add a feather "crown". The third skin could be some refference to popular culture, such as something reminiscent of Zoo Tycoon 2's Dodo or perhaps some other famous painting.

Thylacine
I have made a pretty comprehensive post about this guy already, (#1360542295228944414 message)

but TLDR;

One skin for Thylacinus cynocephalus, the irl known skin, and then either 2 skins for its relative T. potens, or one skin for T. potens and another Thylacinid, either Nimbacinus or Ngamalacinus.

Moa

Ideally comprised of an "Alt Complex". This would definitely include the largest species. the South Island Giant Moa. I would also personally hope it could include the Upland Moa, due to it's immense soft tissue remains, unique habitat, and late survival. The third slot could either be filled by another skin for one of the first two, or a third moa species.

Equus

Composed of 2 alts. The main alt would be Equus ferus ferus, the Wild Horse (not Tarpan). It could have digsites in Eurasia and North America, with hopefully one Grullo skin with more striping and a Bay Dun skin with less striping. The final skin would be taken by the Quagga.

[flint sable]

Message 2/2

Aurochs

This would be composed of three skins that would technically be subspecies. One would be based on the typical Eurasian Aurochs. The other two would be based on the African Aurochs and Indian Aurochs, featuring things such as unique horns and a hump.

Dusicyon

Also known as the Warrah, this would feature 2 alts (or not depending on if the 2 species are synonomous). One alt would be based on the Warrah proper (D. australis), featuring reddish brown. The other two would be skins for the Mainland Warrah (D. avus), possibly inspired by other South American Canids.

Vivarium Species

Passenger Pigeon

Arboreal Vivarium

Great Auk

Semiaquatic Vivarium (addition of the new preset, Boreal, to accomodate it)

You could probably make the argument this should be a habitat, but id have to disagree. For one, its nearly the same size as Simosuchus (most size estimates used as with the neck fully extended), and would have had quite complicated animations that could realistically be used for few, if any, other species. Not to mention underwater viewing isnt coming as far as we know, so I think as of right now it would be best as a vivarium. In an ideal world? Habitat, definitely. Realistically and practically? Vivarium.

Closing Remarks

The vivariums were tricky for me. There are a lot of good choices, and apparently as they are relatively easy compared to regular exhibit animals to produce, here are a few more options they could go with.

Pig Footed Bandicoot (terrestrial)
Carolina Parrakeet (arboreal)
Kauai O'o (arboreal)
Ivory Billed Woodpecker (arboreal)
Huia (arboreal)
Any small extinct Hutia (terrestrial)
Neocnus (arboreal)
Round Island Burrowing Boa (terrestrial)

[plush nacelle]

I would rather see thylacine pelt diversity presented over looking for alts

[flint sable]

show me

iirc its mostly just the darkness of the pelt, no?

and that could probably be represented by just changing the hues like in regular skin variation, no?

[plush nacelle]

Apparently ranged from grey to yellow

[flint sable]

do u have any images I can see as a refference

would need to see it to be convinced

but im intrigued

[idle hearth]

I know, but, it will be perfert addition alongside Arthropleura, Meganeura, Pulmonoscorpius & Hylonomus for PK, right😉

[tulip umbra]

Hibbert > Megarachne imho, they fill the same niche. Both bottom dwelling eurypterids

With Hibbert being 10x larger making it more visible

[plush nacelle]

I personally would go for

• forest: yellow skin with thin stripes (the most popular image)
• tropical: brown with thick stripes
• mountain: greyish, slightly thicker fur and less stripes

[flint sable]

ye like I believe you that that could work

has anyone made paleoart of these supposed variations?

so I could perhaps see how it could look ingame

also I think having at least one alt species/genus for Thylacinus would be nice

but id be fine with 2 skins for T. cynocephalus

[tulip umbra]

Ur tylacine

[plush nacelle]

With dodo the best pop culture reference would be golden dodo from ZT2

[flint sable]

any other additional remarks?

[glass urchin]

Mesozoica Thylacine

Hibbert all the way

[slim flare]

Mainland and Falkland warrah are the same species, but they should be different skins with different sizes like woolly mammoth

[steep tulip]

it is quite different, but I still cope
if they want to buff out a dlc with a pretty complex alt, its there ig

[slim flare]

New opinion: Equus should have 4 skins

2 Equus ferus ferus

• Bay dun, light striping
• Grullo, heavier striping

2 Equus quagga quagga

• Just two different variants

So you can at least have some variation in quaggas

[flint sable]

actually thats not a bad idea

[slim flare]

And they range a ton

[flint sable]

not at all

[tulip umbra]

Speaking of RE, do u guys think the Chinese Paddlefish is vivarium (spec aquarium) or needs a full aquatic update making it free roam? The big fish*

[slim flare]

I’d put the grullo horse in the aurochs digsite, then bay dun in the woolly mammoth, Elasmotherium and La Brea digsites

[flint sable]

ye thats what id do

[slim flare]

Most people disapprove of incredibly recent extinction as poor taste

[fiery crow]

the thing with the Chinese Paddlefish is that it feels TOO recent for me

[flint sable]

lemme actually change the names of the horse skins

from whatever i tried to Grullo and Bay Dun

since i didnt know the formal names

i forgor

[fiery crow]

I think it went extinct 2021/2022?

[tulip umbra]

Yea

But its so cool looking, really a travesty it went extinct

[flint sable]

officially yes but probably like

2000's

actual date

[tulip umbra]

Hasnt been seen alive since 2003

[fiery crow]

one of many victims of the that thing being built in the Ganges

[tulip umbra]

Officially declared extinct 2022

[flint sable]

the fact that the dam managed to essentially singlehandedly make like

at least 2, probably more

large vertebrate species go extinct

is fucking depressing

[fiery crow]

the Ganges Shark is probably on its way out too

[tulip umbra]

Id love to see paddlefish represented in pk, tho Baiji is prob a little too recent even for me

[flint sable]

Baiji technically isnt even extinct yet

even though we all know it is

[fiery crow]

only freshwater shark in existence (that hasn’t gone extinct yet) I think

[tulip umbra]

Yep

[tulip umbra]

And yep

[fiery crow]

the Vaquita is on its way out too and that’s fucking saddening

[plush nacelle]

There is also possibility

That one RE will be in free update

[flint sable]

?

I mean

yeah

[plush nacelle]

Species

[flint sable]

i guess

true...

[plush nacelle]

I think aurochs will be free update animal

[flint sable]

any particular reason?

it could realistically share a rig with bison, but definitely not a model

[plush nacelle]

Share rig with bison and is present on that new updated roadmap

[flint sable]

about as different as 2 members of Bos can get really

and thats how alts work iirc, they essentially share a model with parts made invisible or added to make them more distinct

at least ik thats how it used to work, it could be different now

not sure

[quick ore]

Neocnus is too early afaik

[flint sable]

I personally consider RE to be like

anything in the past 5000 ish years

yes, mammoth would be in this category

basically after proper socciety and history showed up

and civilizations

[tulip umbra]

For me honestly its animals we “modern” humans have seen and interacted with like you can see a real video of the Thylacine

Or detailed notes from sailors on dodos

[flint sable]

I mean there are quite a few animals of cultures from around the world that likely have origins in Pleistocene Megafauna

[slim flare]

Recently extinct is technically 1500 CE to present, woolly mammoths are historically extinct.

[flint sable]

and as a result, info about them as been passed down for a long ass time

its much much less common than people think, though

[slim flare]

PK in RE DLC specifically put a date of 1,000 years ago to present

To includes moas and elephant birds presumably

[median glen]

guys what's up with the talk about country dlcs recently? any dev said something about this kind of content in the future? 👀

[flint sable]

as an example, the Yamuti of South Australian Folklore likely reffers to Diprotodon or at the very least Diprotodontids based on the description

[abstract compass]

im not entirely onboard country based DLC's but region-based DLC's have lots of potential.

[flint sable]

there are also mentions of mammothlike creatures in a lot of Native American cultures, specifically those in the further north regions, in addition to Siberian cultures knowing about them and even using long dead mammoth corpses as a resource

they were made into dog food 😭

[coarse inlet]

I think it's pretty different now

given the changes to Tarbo

[silver steeple]

Nah that's still the case

Bison and Aurochs however could not work like that

Too different outwardly anatomically

It would simply be species in the same genus with 2 different models outright

[slim flare]

^

Like presumably Columbian mammoth

[warm ice]

I suggest we explode the amount of animals in Maevarano by adding:
Beelzebufo ampinga (Vivarium)
Madtsoia madagascarensis (Vivarium)
Rapetosaurus krausei
Majungasaurus crenatissimus
Masiakasaurus knopfleri
Mahajangasuchus insignis

[fiery crow]

Rahonavis too

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/man-praying-black-man-praying-black-man-praying-and-crying-man-praying-and-crying-gif-23376408540985609

Getting bumosuchus instead of the mahajanga goat

[feral cedar]

ngl with all due respect to the creature, Rapetosaurus has nothing interesting about it other than being from Maevarano

[warm ice]

It'd be the smallest sauropod currently in the game, and that has to be worth something at least

[steep tulip]

There's a bunch of smaller titanosaurs like saltasaurus or magyorosaurus that are more requested
Rapeto usually is downsized due to a lot of recons using the immature specimen as a base, all things considered it wasn't that small

[silver steeple]

There are more interesting potential additions on that front imo

[warm ice]

true
Still though, I maintain that the rest of my suggestions are at least unique enough to consider
Beelzebufo: Anuran, of which none are in the game
Majungasaurus: Abelisaurid, would be the second in game, vastly different from the confirmed abelisaurid Carnotaurus
Masiakasaurus: has a very unique jaw shape, would be the first Noasaurid
Madtsoia: Mesozoic snake, also represents an extinct order unlike Titanoboa
Mahajangasuchus: representative of a whole family, larger and more complete than the more famous Kaprosuchus

[steep tulip]

I agree rest would all be cool to see

Idk why but I never noticed how different kapro and mahajanga skull are 🥀
Looking bleak for my goat

[feral cedar]

oh yeah definitely

it’s just Rapetosaurus is… ehhh

[river perch]

i stand with you

maha is dope

[quick ore]

ok I know this is a bit of a meme but I think it would be both cool for the game and funny if one year during the game's lifespan (if it continues with dlc and free updates) we got Merychippus added to the game as a surprise on Christmas.

[silver steeple]

That'd be a good one

[outer moth]

Japanese dinosaur fans when they can only name 5 species from Fukui:

Listen, it’s a lil glaze-y to say that Japanese dinosaurs were cooler than the rest

(Even if the meme is satire)

Gotta admit though, for a species hotspot, Fukui’s doing pretty good in recent years

[low bridge]

What about Nuralugus Rex and Myotragus?

[fiery crow]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTKio39aVm-aX53MaJgsL8aUbFdUCKz-HFwBcrskOzGJqUzSAGxQMX9XHxmWkch2sXkKY5dGOd3tAoXeAFxlHpyFRzsTfPxwY-yrqrs8w&s=10

Aniktozoon
just look at how cool this thing looks and tell me it shouldn’t be in

[fiery crow]

oh goddamnit it was 12.5 to 15 cm in length.
that’s way too tiny. 😭

[dusky obsidian]

Megalania-Largest Terrestrial Lizard
Prionosuchus-Biggest known Amphibian
Inostrancevia
Cotylorhynchus
Anteosaurus-Largest known Permian Predator
Tappenosaurus
Arthropleura-Biggest known land Arthropod
Stomatosuchus/Mourasuchus
Koolasuchus-One of the Biggest Temmnospondyls to exist
Maip-Largest known megaraptorid
Herrerasaurus
Ingentia
Barinasuchus-Biggest Terrestrial Predator in the Cenozoic
Arizonasaurus
Desmatosuchus
Smok-Largest? Carnivorous archosaur from Europe
Dacentrurus/Miragaia-Biggest Stegosaur?
Erythrosuchus
Shaochilong
Concavenator
Fasolasuchus-Largest known rauisuchian
Shantungosaurus-Biggest Hadrosaur+Biggest non sauropod animal
Magnapaulia-Largest known Lambeosaurine
Olorotitan
Udanoceratops-Biggest known leptoceratopsid
Lisowicia-Largest known dicynodont
Cryolophosaurus
Leviathanochelys-Europe´s biggest turtle
Stupendemys-largest freshwater turtle
Diplodocus- Longest Tail
Nuralagus Rex-Biggest Rabbit to ever exist
Doedicurus-Largest Glyptodont
Masiakasaurus
Mastodonsaurus
Coahuilaceratops-Ceratopsid with the biggest horns ?
Lokiceratops-Ceratopsid with the Largest frill horns
Megalodon

Livyatan
Perucetus-Heaviest Prehistoric animal
Basilosaurus
Jaekolopterus-biggest sea scorpion
Ichthyotitan-Largest ichthyosaur?
Temnodontosaurus-biggest jurassic ichthyosaur
Priconodon- POSSIBLY the Largest ankylosaur-14 meters, if correct it could dethrone shantungosaurus as the biggest non sauropod dinosaur
Vasuki indicus- Biggest prehistoric snake?
Ajnabia-smallest hadrosaur
Leshansaurus
Gigantoraptor-Largest known Oviraptorosaur
Purussaurus-Biggest known caiman+biggest known cenozoic crocodile?
Yangchuanosaurus-Largest chinese theropod
Yutyrannus
Therizinosaurus-longest hand claws from any dinosaur
Australovenator-biggest australian theropod
Stegouros
Spicomellus-Oldest known Ankylosaur
Peloroplites/Sauropelta-Largest known Nodosaurs
Megalosaurus-first described dinosaur
Vectispinus-biggest known european spinosaurid+biggest known spinosaurid without a sail ?-potentially the second largest spinosaurid. estimates for its size are 10-13 meters
Titanovenator-Largest known abelisaurid?-size estimates are 11-12 meters

updated my list with adding more interesting ones, remember vectispinus and titanovenator are not official genuses yet as far as what i know, we have only found fragmentary remains of them

finally

[left spear]

Few weird choices but quite solid

[dusky obsidian]

ty

[steep carbon]

you forgot the birds 😿

[plain knoll]

🗣️FALCATAKELY

Someone is makin a huge list

[dusky obsidian]

i am