Community Species Suggestions

[desert flame]

and hyracotherium

[lone heart]

I thought Eohippus = Hyracotherium = now Sifrhippus sandrae?

[feral cedar]

Mesohippus is a much better full exhibit horse

[lone heart]

or Miohippus. I commissioned Miohippus intermedium for PZ.

[desert flame]

Yes, it seems I was mistaken.

[glacial pine]

Dodo could be a good vivarium species too, many a full exhibit species

[feral cedar]

To be fair I think dodo might JUST escape vivarium-ness?

[plush nacelle]

Dodo is easily normal animal

[feral cedar]

Yes

[plush nacelle]

It is build like truck

Great auk on the other hand

[feral cedar]

And in terms of height it is larger than some dinosaurs in-game that get full exhibit status

[lone heart]

If you think a dodo would b large enough, then Anthropornis, Kumimanu, Inkayacu et al. are too, or?

[feral cedar]

of course

[glacial pine]

I’d say they are normal habitat

[plush nacelle]

Great auk not only dimensionaly is as big as simo at 5kg in weight, but also deep diving is not coming ...

[feral cedar]

great auk vivarium?

[plush nacelle]

Yes

[feral cedar]

Honestly great auks and other recently-extinct animals make me sad

God dammit humanity

[plush nacelle]

New Zealand situation makes me lowkey mad

[feral cedar]

Here's an interesting view of time. The great auk was declared extinct in 1852. Pterodactylus as a genus was named in 1809

There were almost certainly some academic researchers who knew about Pterodactylus and studied it while also knowing about the great auk as just another animal in the world

[plush nacelle]

At least now zoos do care to save some animals

[feral cedar]

But today, Pterodactylus and great auks are equally extinct 😔

[feral cedar]

Yeah but only the cute ones

[steep crane]

Fully aquatic or semi?

[alpine olive]

I would like to see sinoceratops especially if they make a skin that's similar to the botm

[glacial pine]

This could be a good vivarium species, maybe a little big though. Gotta add some more bird action to the game!

[smoky geyser]

It was fully aquatic, it's body likely couldn't go on land much like later pliosaurs

[alpine olive]

epidexitarious would be peak

[cosmic cosmos]

no varanus? :C

[coarse inlet]

I was of the impression that basal ichthyopterygians could crawl on land

Ichthyosauromorphs, rather

Ah, Hupehsuchian body shape would've made it hard to actually move on land

[smoky geyser]

Yeah best you'd get is some sea turtle action

[coarse inlet]

Which is about as good as Tiktaalik can manage tbf

[smoky geyser]

Yeah but tiktaalik is a freak who likes doing it, this little goober would likely avoid it

[steep crane]

Was Metoposaurs amphibious?

[steep crane]

On a separate note I’m having a hard time envisioning how they would animate Hesperornis on land.

Would it be pushing like a loon or sliding like a penguin?

[coarse inlet]

there's still disagreement

it might've been able to walk

A 2019 study indicated the legs were similar to those of cormorants

[steep crane]

Huh..

[coarse inlet]

while in 2012 a study suggested they could only move like seals

idk if there's a consensus

[shell sonnet]

Either way, it's a full aquatic dlc animal

[coarse inlet]

A smaller one like Potamornis or Brodavis would be a fun vivarium critter though

I really want vivarium birds and "birds"

Avisaurus, Brodavis, Presbyornis, and Xenicibis would all be great

[tulip umbra]

Theres a couple of flightless aquatic birds that i hope to see once they expand to diving potentially with aquatics dlc

Kumimanu, Great Auk, Hesperornis and Giganhinga

[glass urchin]

https://preview.redd.it/mosasaurus-hoffmanni-im-a-retired-concept-artist-taking-a-v0-bzv99s9si1j91.jpg?auto=webp&s=b6485c899958e593c0df438a51dc6cecc338c2e6

I think he’d make a nice vivarium creature

[shell sonnet]

I think that's too small

[glass urchin]

You may be right

[tulip umbra]

And id like some extinct fish as scenery in the vivariums

[lone heart]

Why is Kumimanu more popular than other giant spheniscids

[hollow valve]

That one’s quite a bit too big for a Viv if you asked me. 😐

[left spear]

You just lack faith

[hollow valve]

Because I make up for it with common sense.

[tulip umbra]

I would personally pick Palaeeudyptes but its name is horrible to pronounce

[hollow valve]

Who in the right mind would get enough money to make a Vivarium that can contain the largest bony fish to ever exist, let alone how would they do it?

[tulip umbra]

The only other large penguin i can think of is Kairuku, but its not quite as big as Kumimanu

[low bridge]

Alaska sized Vivarium for Leedsichtys

[plush nacelle]

There are some aquarium tanks with whale sharks

[low bridge]

Fish of the Fish

[plush nacelle]

So definitely possible

[tulip umbra]

Or even Inkayacu

[hollow valve]

True, but that’s an aquarium tank, not a vivarium. I’m sure there’s a difference somewhere.

[tulip umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-box-capture-catch-cat-in-a-box-gif-8386561

[plush nacelle]

Aquarium is type of vivarium I think

[hollow valve]

Ok, but Leedsichthys iirc is much larger than a whale shark and giant filter feeders are generally really tedious to keep alive in captivity.

[tulip umbra]

If u havent noticed, none of this serious

[plush nacelle]

Whale shark is larger

And is also filter feeder

So I see no problem

We really do not appreciate enough how big it can be

[coarse inlet]

also, this is a game where we can keep a herd of Argentinosaurus

[hollow valve]

Ok. My bad. I’m just saying that none of the current Vivariums announced for the game could contain anything really gigantic.

[tulip umbra]

We’re talking abt if we could keep a giant extinct filter feeding fish alive in the modern day… kinda pointless dont u think. Just say videogame logic and have a nice day.

[tulip umbra]

Its called sarcasm, ik very well the limitations of vivariums dw

[left spear]

It seems you just lack faith

[hollow valve]

Again, I balance it out with common sense.

[left spear]

Sounds like a faith issue

[silver steeple]

We have the largest filter feeding fish alive in captivity with decent success

It's hard maybe, but very much doable

[left spear]

Much more doable than either Mosasaurus, Levyatan or Otodus really

[tulip umbra]

I mean sure, but we dont know much about Leedsichtys

[silver steeple]

We wouldn't know much about the majority of stuff in the game when it comes to life and husbandry

Why does it matter lol

[tulip umbra]

If we were to really be ultra realistic here, all animals are gonna die cuz they arent adapted to this environment

And their micro biota in their gut would also need to be cloned etc etc

[coarse inlet]

they'd probably die before hatching due to the embryo not having the right environment

https://tenor.com/view/mst-reminder-video-gif-11069799725995181473

[hollow valve]

Alright. Guess I’m just stuck having to repeat that mantra in my head until I can get over the absurd possibility of somehow fitting a Leedsichthys into one of the current Vivariums while hoping the devs make a bigger one.

[coarse inlet]

We're not actually saying that it should be in a vivarium lol, that was a joke

[hollow valve]

Yeah. Honestly, Leedsichthys would be a fantastic addition to the game either way. XD

[tulip umbra]

It was in response to someone posting a pic of Mosasaurus for vivarium…

[hollow valve]

Ok, that would be even more absurd unless it was a smaller or earlier species.

[silver steeple]

Technically speaking, both would physically fit in the largest vivariums

Neither are considerably larger than about 12m in length

[coarse inlet]

True

A mosasaur is basically a snake and you can comfortable fit a snake in an enclosure that's as long as it is

so it's fine /j

[silver steeple]

The largest viv is 16x12

[tulip umbra]

Anyways, I propose thee Qarmoutus a big extinct catfish from the Eocene as an actual scenery fish for vivariums. It is freshwater and not too big, ticks all the boxes.

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-lateralus-parabol-third-eye-tool-gif-16499016

[coarse inlet]

there we go, put the big lizard in there

[coarse inlet]

that's too big for scenery, that'd be a full animal in the vivarium

scenery fish would be like

Knightia

[silver steeple]

Bro is tiktaalik sized

[tulip umbra]

Hmm, i think ur right

Would just be cool cohab

[coarse inlet]

what's the little guy from the Morrison? lemme find my PDF of Jurassic West

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrolepis

[abstract compass]

is there a story as to why the monkey is being eaten?

[coarse inlet]

I think it's a Monkey Cruise piece so probably based on some classic art of Jonah

[coarse inlet]

Big enough to be visible but small enough to feel like a good background filler

[coarse inlet]

Koola would be tricky, maybe a very big vivarium species b/c its feeding method wouldnt work as a habitat species

[tulip umbra]

U watched Basilosaurus in WWB?

[lone heart]

Though the name can be difficult, it has an iconic meaning: Inka = emperor/king and yacu is water in Quechua, the language of the Inca.

So "king/emperor of the water2

[plain knoll]

If it's habitat animal idk how will they integrate the growth cycle

[lone heart]

If we do get large, really large, aquarium tanks we can deffo go for Leedsichthys.

[coarse inlet]

IIRC stereospondyls didn't do complete metamorphosis

[lone heart]

Definitely less controversial than Shona or Ichthyotitan

(or is it Shano?)

Shanosaurus? Shonasaurus?

[plain knoll]

Prionosuchus would fitt

[coarse inlet]

but regardless Koola wouldnt work outside a vivarium because it's a suction feeder

[coarse inlet]

Shonisaurus

Shoni isn't very controversial we have TONS of it

[plain knoll]

It's a suction feeder

[coarse inlet]

it just wasnt properly studied until a few years ago

[plain knoll]

I thought it eats fishh

[coarse inlet]

yeah by sucking them in

lots of amphibians and fish do that

[plain knoll]

Crassigyrinus.

[coarse inlet]

the only controversial part of Shonisaurus has been if S. sikannensis is part of that genus or Shastasaurus (I think it's leaning towards Shasta)

[coarse inlet]

YESSSS

[plain knoll]

Also TRILOPHOSUCHUS AND VANCLEAVEA

[coarse inlet]

I kinda want to wait for full aquatic habitat stuff for Vancleavea as much as I adore it

it got BIG

[median relic]

I love this thing

[coarse inlet]

it's the absolute best

[tulip umbra]

The environment Qarmoutus lived in coastal brackish environment with said monkey, it is very possible that at some point in time a monkey that fell into the water was eaten by the opportunistic Qarmoutus. Though no direct fossil evidence.

[lone heart]

Controversial I mean regarding keeping in captivity.

[tulip umbra]

Nope

[left spear]

Yeah that's (sadly) a paleomeme

[tulip umbra]

Its been disproven now

[plain knoll]

Yeah it's not confirmed to be fully aquatic

[tulip umbra]

No no

[plain knoll]

😁

[quick ore]

more like "little evidence it was aquatic at all"

[tulip umbra]

A recent paper did osteohistology and determined all specimens are drowned juveniles

At least the biggest ones iirc

[coarse inlet]

it's a game

[quick ore]

The game isn't realistic about which animals can be feasibly kept in captivity. For all we know some of the species currently in game wouldn't be able to handle living in captivity like some species do today

[abstract compass]

right thanks

[plain knoll]

AQUILOPS.

[left spear]

Awful tendency for water related fatalities

Ig?

Any of that type of animal will do really

Aquilops is as good as any other choice really

[plain knoll]

Rhynchosaurus.

[tulip umbra]

Id personally prefer Yinlong

[hollow valve]

And not just because of the fact that it was featured in Jurassic World: Rebirth, right?

[plain knoll]

But it's popular

[coarse inlet]

Aquilops looks cooler than Yinlong but Yinlong is interesting from a scientific perspective

[tulip umbra]

Which is why i said personally haha, im most likely in the minority

[quick ore]

this game doesn't prioritize popularity all of the time, especially for species that aren't total A listers

[left spear]

I'd argue It never does

[quick ore]

something like Aquilops isn't so popular that Yinlong would be a worse choice

[left spear]

All popular animals are in there because they're interesting on their own right

[plain knoll]

Sick

[tulip umbra]

I think Argent is one such case, but its definitely not the rule across the board

[left spear]

Only animal that is carried by fame is argent

[quick ore]

Carch?

[coarse inlet]

true but IMO its facial features are more interesting

[left spear]

But that's like the one and only

[coarse inlet]

it'd be like a pixel

[left spear]

All giga carchs are the same

Kidna of irrelevant which It was

[plain knoll]

Lol

[tulip umbra]

Gonna need a strong glasses to see that

[left spear]

Carch was chosen because of it's more interesting formation which is pretty valid imo

[tulip umbra]

Carch just went hand in hand with Spino really

[left spear]

Wiwaxia my beloved 🥀

[quick ore]

there's no way they could properly render this

[plain knoll]

Time to drop the bomb

Is this amphibious or arboreal

[coarse inlet]

yes

[quick ore]

huh?

I mean

[left spear]

Both?

[coarse inlet]

we know animals can have both

[quick ore]

it would be in an arboreal viv with a water source but it wont have babies or anything

[plain knoll]

I know that but

[coarse inlet]

honestly, if a griffinfly gets added I'd want it to be the one that DOES get juveniles

[left spear]

They don't really move on land so the island on amphibious should suffice

[coarse inlet]

because dragonfly nymphs are cool

[left spear]

That's like

Yes

But it's never gonna happen

[coarse inlet]

no ontogeny, just "some of them are in the water as nymphs"

[left spear]

Oh

I mean

Sure ig

But It would be a bit weird to see what determines it

[coarse inlet]

yeah but if they could make it work it'd rule

[tulip umbra]

This made me think of this dude again Campanile Giganteum, great scenery for potential marine vivaria.

[hollow valve]

Sorry. Too hard for me. All four of those are great options.

[plain knoll]

Nah just pick one

[coarse inlet]

another cool insect for small/box vivariums would be Gigatitan

[plain knoll]

Prehistoric mantis right??

[coarse inlet]

grasshopper convergent with mantises

[hollow valve]

Oh and I think some extinct bats would be fun for Vivariums too. Namely Onychonycteris: https://dinopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Onychonycteris

[plain knoll]

Oh

VOLATICOTHERIUM

[tulip umbra]

He is kinda small tho

No?

[coarse inlet]

I saw that wing shape and got real scared for a sec IYKYK

[plain knoll]

WE NEED MORE SMOL CENOZOIC REPS

[hollow valve]

Yeah. Albeit Volaticotherium is not a bat but still.

[coarse inlet]

yeah but the glding membrane would make it somewhat visible I think

[plain knoll]

Yeah but Viv has diffrent size options

[tulip umbra]

Desmodus draculae is the go to bat

[alpine olive]

perfect guy for a box aquarium

[hollow valve]

Yeh. Peltephilus is the only one so far.

[coarse inlet]

not even close to a bat

[hollow valve]

Which is why I suggested bats to add more diversity.

[median relic]

replace pterygotus with jaekelopterus and sure

[coarse inlet]

bats are good but most of the prehistoric ones arent very interesting

[hollow valve]

Great point.

[coarse inlet]

it's mostly "that sure is a bat"

[peak hazel]

Do we even have any super basal ichthyosauromorphs

[hollow valve]

Great point. Now if only PK added in a way for them to be able to drink blood.

[coarse inlet]

not basal to Hupehsuchia and Ichthyosauroformes but we have stuff between that ancestor and Ichthyosaurs that seem like they could crawl

[median relic]

cartorhynchus?

[tulip umbra]

Just make the water red haha ez fix for the devs

[peak hazel]

I see

[coarse inlet]

Cartorhynchus is an omphalosaur

[peak hazel]

Getting something super basal would be quite the find

[coarse inlet]

yeah there's one species that was tentatively put there but is probably an ichthyopterygian

[peak hazel]

Someone will hopefully find one eventually and that will hopefully be me

[median relic]

oh

[coarse inlet]

I suspect if we find anything before that split we'll find it in the Permian

[median relic]

didn't realize those weren't ichthyosaurs lol

[tulip umbra]

Theres already so many derived species to pick from, the sword fish like ichtyosaurs are underrated

[peak hazel]

Yeah that's what I'd expect

Don't know how far back you'd need to look

[coarse inlet]

Omphalosaurs are Ichthyosauriformes but not Ichthyopterygians

[peak hazel]

Since our most basal ichthyosaurs are still pretty derived in terms of marine reptiles

[alpine olive]

platyhystrix, not sure if he's semi aquatic or not

[coarse inlet]

Yeah that'd rule

[alpine olive]

also ichthyostega

[left spear]

Uhhhh Pannoniasaurus yeah pannonia, that's my contribution to the conversation.

[coarse inlet]

Yes

[left spear]

Tho one could argue it to be a full exhibit

[peak hazel]

The species we need most is me

[alpine olive]

forgot the image

[peak hazel]

I need to be in the game

[coarse inlet]

Definitely a full exhibit, it's huge

[left spear]

No, you are a chimaera

[peak hazel]

How would you handle koolasuchus and prionsuchus

[peak hazel]

Why is there a mermaid

[coarse inlet]

As I said before, Koola needs to be vivarium because it's a suction feeder

[left spear]

Temnospondyls don't go through metamorphosis

[coarse inlet]

she's hungry and hunting the big lizard

[peak hazel]

Oh that does seem annoying for normal enclosures

[left spear]

Kool is debatable but Priono just make it an aquatic

[coarse inlet]

not complete metamorphosis anyway

[plain knoll]

Deinogalerix
Darwinius
Nuralagas rex
Ptolemaia

[left spear]

If you're feeling ultra spicy give it a gilled adult skin

[left spear]

Nura is amazing dlc material

[coarse inlet]

Nuralagus and Myotragus

[left spear]

Yep

[hollow valve]

While mammals are on topic, how does Tapocyon sound?

https://www.sdnhm.org/exhibitions/fossil-mysteries/fossil-field-guide-a-z/tapocyon/

[left spear]

Mediterranean pack

[left spear]

Lemur fox is fun

[hollow valve]

Thank you. Also, the link isn’t sharing what Tapocyon looks like so here.

[coarse inlet]

Megalanhydris and Cygnis falconeri would go hard

Velociraptor-sized swan

[left spear]

There's like 8 amazingly cool mediterranean species on the late cenozoic only

Ultraswan and midgelephant are mandatory as dlc imo

[hollow valve]

Anyone else think Tapocyon would be a good addition?

[coarse inlet]

We got
Myotragus
Palaeoloxodon falconeri
Cygnus falconeri
Meglanhydris
The Minotaur
Athene cretensis
Nuralagus

[plain knoll]

Hell yeah vivs need mammals reps

[left spear]

The small candiacervus species

[hollow valve]

There’s also Hesperolemur or the Giant Aye Aye I forgot the name of.

[hollow valve]

Talking about this guy btw for the second one: https://dinopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Giant_aye-aye

[heavy scarab]

Titanoboa has been confirmed

[hollow valve]

Yep.

That’s why I’m trying to suggest more Cenozoic Vivarium Representatives.

[plain knoll]

Underrated

[hollow valve]

Who’s this?

[plain knoll]

CRYOLOPHOSAURUS

[left spear]

Cryo is a can of worms iirc

[heavy scarab]

The 3 mammals in vivariums i want to see; Volaticatherium, Didelphodon, and Leptictidium

[abstract compass]

Stegouros as a vivarium animal.

[heavy scarab]

Scutellosaurus

[hollow valve]

Can’t blame you for that.

[tulip umbra]

Stegouros as exhibit animal

[abstract compass]

its small.

[tulip umbra]

Id say hes just abt on the edge.

[coarse inlet]

not THAT small

and no unique locomotion

remember, thyreophorans look smaller than they really are in left-lateral

[tulip umbra]

He would definitely become the smallest non vivarium animal, which they could use to amplify absolute cuteness

[abstract compass]

good enough for a vivarium potato.

[coarse inlet]

Stegouros is probably bigger than Velo

[tulip umbra]

Its really 50/50 with him, hes right on the edge. However no locomotion or ontogeny restraints

[coarse inlet]

just stubby

[tulip umbra]

And he the best Parankylosaur, the other two dont even preserve the macuahuitl tail

[abstract compass]

also something that i'd love to see in PK

[coarse inlet]

Anarcto has part of it

[tulip umbra]

Very fragmentary part yes

And given that tail clubs can vary from species to species like Anky and Anodonto id rather have Stegouros as the non vivarium rep

[quick ore]

Volaticotherium was mesozoic what

[plain knoll]

it is

[quick ore]

then why did you say it was cenozoic

[glass urchin]

I think a lot of the vivarium animals being recommended here would make better normal exhibit animals

Some are certainly some good picks

[coarse inlet]

Diplobune minor for vivariums

[quick tartan]

can't wait for full aquariums and even tide pools for cambrian and ediacran stuff 9and other of course)

these guys, for example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBzlkPS7ZUw

[shell sonnet]

I'm going to be blunt; most of the things from those eras are just way too small

[feral cedar]

Unfortunately Cambrian rep in prehistoric zoo games is limited because everything is so small

Anomalocaris and Aegirocassis are good

[coarse inlet]

I'd be happy with a placeable Cambrian reef scenery item though\

[feral cedar]

Wait, Aegirocassis is not Cambrian

[fiery crow]

potential Precambrian reps are super limited too. most of them were also super tiny.

[coarse inlet]

like, if we got Anomalocaris and some scenery to put in its vivarium that has little guys as part of it

[feral cedar]

That could work

But yeah Anomalocaris is really all we could realistically add from the Cambrian

[fiery crow]

stuff didn’t really get big until the Devonian.

[fiery crow]

there’s Omnidens too iirc

[gleaming onyx]

Kapro plz 🙁

https://tenor.com/view/bob-beastsofbermuda-beasts-of-bermuda-kapro-kaprosuchus-gif-15482632823306261541

https://tenor.com/view/primal-carnage-extinction-kaprosuchus-kaperoo-gif-24588152

Me when kapro

Hopefully not this kapro tho

bad kapro

This kapro = yes

[glass urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/omniman-fortnite-dance-emote-nolan-grayson-gif-568288613121490887

[feral cedar]

YOU’RE NOT GOING TO ADD COTYLORHYNCHUS? Think, Mau, THINK

[median relic]

I killed the radiodonts of the globe

[lone heart]

But what? Ordovician?

Yeah, Ediciaran and Cambrian stuff (and I would also day sy species like Conoprion or so) are very small/too small. If Peltephilus is considerd small...

or this Purgatorius

it was really as small as a squirrel or so

[fiery crow]

Charnia and Dickinsonia I would say are the biggest we’d get and even then they’d be boring as hell

[lone heart]

or smaller. 20 g of weight for Purgatorius!

[coarse inlet]

For paleozoic stuff, my main wishlist (no fully aquatics, limiting to 10 normal and 10 vivarium species+alts):

• Anteosaurus magnificus
• Scutosaurus karpinskii
• Dimetrodon limbatus/angelensis
• Estemmenosuchus mirabilis/uralensis
• Inostrancevia alexandri/latifrons/africana
• Edaphosaurus pogonias
• Cotylorhynchus hancocki/romeri
• Diadectes sideropelicus
• Jonkeria truculenta/Titanosuchus ferox
• Eryops megacephalus
• Platyhystrix rugosus
• Mesosaurus tenuidens
• Hibbertopterus scouleri
• Meganeura monyi
• Arthropleura sp.
• Suminia getmanovi
• Eudibamus cursoris
• Phlegethontia longissima
• Coelurosauravus elivensis
• Pulmonoscorpius kirktonensis

[brave pier]

"WHAT WILL YOU HAVE AFTER 514 MILLION YEARS"

[lone heart]

Or do you want this disc-shaped thing ... what it is called? Wuxia or Wulixia or so?

[median relic]

dickinsonia could just as easily pass as a breakfast item at Tea Rex

[fiery crow]

okay this is throwing me off because I’m counting 10 normal species and 9 vivarium species

[lone heart]

No Lisowicia boyani? Or is that triassic?

[coarse inlet]

FUCK

[coarse inlet]

very triassic

end triassic even

[median relic]

I don't see moschops or brontoscorpio

[left spear]

I think i only miss Lycaenops or something akin to that

[fiery crow]

about as Triassic as you can get. dicynodonts that big didn’t pop up until the Triassic.

[left spear]

Otherwise very good list

[coarse inlet]

yeah I needed to limit myself with dinocephalians or it was gonna be mostly that

[fiery crow]

gods the amount of Paleozoic animals I’d like to see in this game. if I listed them all it’d be considered spam.

[coarse inlet]

For fully aquatic vivarium stuff the list would be like

40

[median relic]

but you didn't even add one tapinocephalid

moschops is fairly well known I'd say it deserves a spot

[shell sonnet]

Leaving the poster child of Permian South Africa should be bannable

[coarse inlet]

Sure but I had to stop adding dinocephaleans

[coarse inlet]

which is?

[fiery crow]

isn’t Jonkeria the biggest dinocephalid.

[coarse inlet]

It and Titanosuchus are the biggest and close relatives

hence as alts

[shell sonnet]

Moschops

[flint sable]

I mean

orthocones got to be like

25 feet long

[median relic]

stop saying that like they're all the same. Dinocephalians are everything from anteosaurus to jonkeria to moschops. All three of those could coexist

[flint sable]

in the ordovician

so thats not exactly small

[median relic]

(not to mention they all coexisted irl so it'd be cool)

[fiery crow]

most vertebrates didn’t get that big until the Devonian though.

[flint sable]

oh yeah vertebrates definitely

[fiery crow]

hearing that Haikouichthys was only the size of a thumb was insane to me.

[coarse inlet]

No I'm exercising self control, I WANT to have all three and also Estemmenosuchus and Styracocephalus and Keratocephalus and Pampaphoneus and Titanophoneus but at that point it's a dinocephalian list and not a paleozoic list

[fiery crow]

you could probably list hundreds if not thousands of animals from the Paleozoic that should get in the game tbh

[coarse inlet]

oh sure

[flint sable]

i love dimetrodon

my favorite dinosaur

❤️

[coarse inlet]

my point is that I decided to go for the most impressive examples of the three famous groups of dinocephalians, when if I wanted to include all of the ones I actually wanted I wouldn't have room for anything else

[median relic]

you don't need allat

I'm not saying add all that

just get one main rep for each cool group at least

moschops is welcome

[coarse inlet]

yeah but I'm saying that for MY OWN SELF CONTROL I needed to stop somewhere

this is about me

and my limitations

[hollow flower]

Wuwixia I believe?

[outer crater]

Dickinsonia

[steep crane]

Come to think of it, will all animals added post-EA be DLC or will they be free updates?

[flint sable]

iirc devs have said they hope to do a mix of both

#pk-discussion message

[outer crater]

I think free for the ones that were teased in the old roster, but DLC for new picks

[mental goblet]

Da monke

[ancient ibex]

Orangorilla

[flint sable]

Gorillatang

[left spear]

Orillangutango

[flint sable]

Goranorilatanga

[cosmic cosmos]

Palaeosaniwa along with Varanus are the two exhibit squamates i want to see until we get aquatics

[coarse inlet]

I feel like paleosaniwa would be a vivarium animal wouldnt it?

[wary nacelle]

Cronopio (scrat colored even though he has like no interesting color) for vivariums

[fiery crow]

yeah

[tulip umbra]

Eh its big enough and doesnt have any limitations

Either or

[coarse inlet]

like it's big but also would be climbing around a lot

[flint sable]

ngl the vivvariums are big enough you could probably get away with Megalania fitting in the largest one realistically

[fiery crow]

Varanus priscus definitely works better as a habitat animal

[flint sable]

would be much better as a habitat but still technically possible

[tulip umbra]

Didnt know that, id be happy with varanus exhibit and palaeosaniwa in vivaria

[coarse inlet]

Yeah but given how active monitors are

would feel really weird

also probably wasn't climbing as much as a smaller monitor

[tulip umbra]

Megalania is no doubt a free exhibit animal though

[coarse inlet]

once again though I will say

Diablophis

morrison fucked up geckomonitorsnake

[left spear]

It could go either way

Depends on how young you make the babies

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/showme-show-me-morpheus-gif-5144220

[coarse inlet]

sadly there's no art of it since they found its more complete (but smaller) relative and learned it wasnt a snake

[coarse inlet]

this is closer to what it looked like

Breugnathair was tiny though so Diablophis is a better choice

[left spear]

Yeah this is the actual animal, if you look It up all your get is proto-snakes weirdly enough

It also has a neat irish relative

[coarse inlet]

because that's what it was thought to look like until Breugnathair was found

[fiery crow]

does NOT look like a snake ngl

[left spear]

Honestly i wish It was more like we thought It was

[fiery crow]

that’s insane

[cosmic cosmos]

its around komodo sized, and no other squamates have a chance of being exhibit

[left spear]

I mean it's still pretty clearly a squamate

[fiery crow]

what’s the uh
snake with the teensy hind legs

[coarse inlet]

the jaws are VERY snake like

like WEIRDLY snakelike

[left spear]

There's like 3

Najash if you're thinking the small terrestrial one

[fiery crow]

that’s the one

[left spear]

But Najash is tiny

[fiery crow]

yeah

[left spear]

So idk if It would fit tbh

Comically thin

[coarse inlet]

parviraptorids were so weird that even the more complete skeleton of Breugnathair made it HARDER to figure out their relationships

[cosmic cosmos]

the giant blind snake would be an awesome vivarium

[left spear]

Varanus

[fiery crow]

I feel like a lot of people that want the super tiny creatures only want them because they think they look cool without realizing how small they actually are

[coarse inlet]

all of these positions are equally supported

[left spear]

Just look at PZ

[cosmic cosmos]

i already mentioned that along with palaeo 🤓

[left spear]

Anyways for a viv squamate now that a snake is already out of the way Gigarcanum is the undisputed choice

[fiery crow]

I wanted Hallucigenia and Pikaia before I realized how tiny they actually are

[coarse inlet]

Parviraptorids are way too cool and weird not to add one

[tulip umbra]

For snakes, ive always loved cobras. So an extinct cobra species pls

[cosmic cosmos]

Boipeba, its about 1m

[tulip umbra]

For the extinct Cobra, I’d probably propose Naja Romani

[fiery crow]

Gigantophis

[tulip umbra]

It grew bigger than modern cobras iirc

[coarse inlet]

honestly I dont think there's an extinct cobra interesting enough to include

[fiery crow]

Gigantophis is the one I’d like to see

[tulip umbra]

Naja romani iirc

[fiery crow]

that and Diablophis

[coarse inlet]

bigger than true cobras but smaller than a king cobra

[left spear]

Ooh

This is like

Super neat

[coarse inlet]

Gigantophis is just another madtsoiid

[quick ore]

side note did y'all know that spitting cobras evolved in response to us

[coarse inlet]

I'd prefer Wonambi, Madtsoia, or Vasuki

[fiery crow]

…so?

[tulip umbra]

Well, ig not everything always needs to be the biggest or smtg like Sahona

[left spear]

There's a very big one from pleistocene greece but it's like 8 vertebrae so...

[fiery crow]

Vasuki is just a vertebrate isn’t it

[coarse inlet]

Yeah but it should have interesting features

[shell sonnet]

Rather get actual Saniwa over Palaeo for a proto-varnid; the four-eyed freak

[cosmic cosmos]

thats essentially every large fossil snake

[coarse inlet]

both are great, I'd be happy either way

[tulip umbra]

A cobra feature speaks for itself

[coarse inlet]

but it should stand out from living species

[fiery crow]

https://tenor.com/view/both-agree-yes-good-gif-4591420

[coarse inlet]

I'd rather not add "prehistoric modern animal" if it isn't iconic or interesting

[cosmic cosmos]

these arent even in competition for a slot, one is viv the other is exhibit

[tulip umbra]

I mean superficially Sahona does not stand out from other side neck turtles nor does panthera or ursus

[coarse inlet]

Sahonachelys is different in terms of appearance and feeding style, the latter two are iconic

[tulip umbra]

I would personally

[fiery crow]

well I’d add Metriochoeirus

did I spell that right Son

[coarse inlet]

there are SO MANY extinct species that are nothing like what we have today, including something that's only unique features would need to be speculative

feels like a waste

[fiery crow]

Kubanochoeirus too

[coarse inlet]

Metridiochoerus is interesting

it's visibly different from modern suids

[shell sonnet]

End of the day, it's going to be Varanus priscus anyway

[coarse inlet]

???

what?

[fiery crow]

isn’t it basically just a really big warthog
or did Zoo Tycoon 2 lie to me

[tulip umbra]

It is iirc

[coarse inlet]

It's got weird tusks and it's huge, that's unique.

[tulip umbra]

…

This is the living warthog btw

[shell sonnet]

There are better options for bacon

[coarse inlet]

like I said it's also huge which is somewhat interesting

but yeah more unique ones would be better

an animal inclusion should stand on it's own merrits and not just "extinct version of modern thing"

[shell sonnet]

I agree

Though I would phrase it as "larger version of extant animal"

[left spear]

RE kidna takes away from that in some cases

Quagga

[shell sonnet]

I'm RE does have things vastly different from living ones

[coarse inlet]

I mean I'm not a huge fan of the RE stuff anyway

[shell sonnet]

But yes

[left spear]

That's a spicy take

[tulip umbra]

I agree, but it wont change my personal stance on it. If they add an extinct cobra, id be happy as hell even though i know its not gonna happen.

[coarse inlet]

at least that's somewhat distinct

but if you're adding like

the la brea stork

or something

that's really just kinda meh

[left spear]

I mean boa in EA let alone in u16 was the type of thing that would land you on a psych ward just a week ago.

[tulip umbra]

Filler animals are good too

The stork id want most is Leptoptilos robustus though, then La Brea stork

[tulip umbra]

Very true

[coarse inlet]

I mean L robustus is way more interesting

the La Brea stork is only interesting because of its biogeography which isn't really a factor here

[tulip umbra]

Speaking of filler animal, flamingos Megapaleodus being the biggest one iirc

[coarse inlet]

I dont believe in filler animals

but yeah that'd be neat

[tulip umbra]

Cant have 100 star animals without filler

Cant have beautiful without ugly

Same shit

[coarse inlet]

no

what?

[tulip umbra]

To clarify filler animal = the low cost low space animal. Like struthi in jwe, or flamingos in pz.

[slim flare]

You’re a coward

[tulip umbra]

Or perhaps the La Brea stork in pk… hehe…

[coarse inlet]

ok, no reason to make those uninteresting

[slim flare]

How awesome would a hadrosaur exhibit be with storks?

[flint sable]

filler animal are essential for building realistic zoos

PK's roster lowk kinda like

[coarse inlet]

Anything that the LB stork would have that's visibly different from a white stork would be completely made up

[flint sable]

backwards on that

where it has a ton of heavy hitters and then not so many chill lil guys

[coarse inlet]

I don't like the term, I think smaller animals are great

[flint sable]

whereas in IRL zoos is the opposite

[shell sonnet]

Size is, for me, an incredibly minor factor in animal preference, outside of cases of dwarfism and (occasionally) gigantism. I find the argument that an animal should be chosen because it's "the biggest" of a clade, without the consideration of everything else, to be a tiring one.
This is of course different for vivariums.

[slim flare]

Unfortunately true

[tulip umbra]

All the colors in game rn are made up what?

[coarse inlet]

but they shouldn't be treated as an aferthought

[flint sable]

I mean not even nessecarily like smaller but even just like more "basic"

a balancing act is needed

[fiery crow]

Planet Zoo does this terribly

[slim flare]

RE will help

[flint sable]

indeed

[coarse inlet]

that's not technically true but also irrelevant.

[flint sable]

the vivs are also helping out tremendously in this reguard

[slim flare]

Oviraptor and Gallimimus also helped

[coarse inlet]

if the colors are the only thing about it that stands out from modern species then

why include it at all

[slim flare]

But from here until EA ends, more heavy hitters

[flint sable]

I mean who knows whats in U19

but generally yes

[slim flare]

Utahraptor at least

[tulip umbra]

The blurred roadmap knows

[slim flare]

Presumably Carnotaurus

[coarse inlet]

I want 20 more small ornithischians

[flint sable]

true but like an additional 6 species were added after that roadmap was made to U19

[shell sonnet]

Most are probably just alts

[flint sable]

my guess is that they might lowk be vivs, and that 2 of them are Arthropleura and Meganeeura

[slim flare]

Tbf we have enough small ornithischians. What else do you want? We need 2 Pachycephalosaurids

[shell sonnet]

We have like 2

[flint sable]

another something on the really really small side like leally would be nice

also fluffy

kulinda would be nice

[slim flare]

Leaellynasaura, Psittacosaurus, Protoceratops, Dryosaurus

[flint sable]

I mean

Dryo is the size of a cow

[slim flare]

No it’s not

[tulip umbra]

Small by dino standards

[flint sable]

heterodontosaurus would be nice

[slim flare]

Vivarium 🥱

[coarse inlet]

Thescelosaurus, Parksosaurus, Heterodontosaurus, Leptoceratops, Stegoceras, Kulindadromeus, Aquilops, Silesaurus, Hypsilophodon, Manidens, Scutellosaurus, Stegouros

Lesothosaurus

Silesaurus?

[shell sonnet]

You have that there already

[slim flare]

Thescelosaurus 🙏

[coarse inlet]

then add it twice

I VERY MUCH want more small stuff

[slim flare]

Parkosaurus is completely unnecessary

[coarse inlet]

I just don't want it to be small stuff that wouldn't stand out compared to a modern zoo

[flint sable]

hypsi, thesc, and hetero stand out on that list in particular

[coarse inlet]

Right, Orodromeus I meant

[flint sable]

for me anyway

[coarse inlet]

something that'll dig

[tulip umbra]

Now make a list of small stuff for cenozoics

[flint sable]

we need a small ungulate

[silver steeple]

I could see it as a genera alt for thesc but that's it

[shell sonnet]

People forget Zalmoxes

[slim flare]

Lepto?

[flint sable]

somehow, somewhen, somewhere

[coarse inlet]

Waiting for the paper on that

[flint sable]

theres a lot of good choices

[slim flare]

I’d probably prefer not

[coarse inlet]

but after that Ajkaceratops at least

[coarse inlet]

Every protoceratid

[ancient ibex]

3 Dryosaurus alts which are basically JUST extra skins, but they work as formation mates for Kentro/Giraffa/Elaphro, Iguano/Pola/Hypsi, and Ourano/Niger/Lurdu bwahaha

[coarse inlet]

Yes

[flint sable]

synethoceras, syndoceras, dwarf pronghorn? myotragus, prolibytherium? not really that small but whatever, that one pachycephalosaurus copycat giraffid, ect

theres a lot

[ancient ibex]

I'd be very down for it ngl

[quick ore]

I find it a bit odd that we are considering storks before the aviary update is a thing, they can't be kept in open exhibits naturally right?

[slim flare]

The tiny horses

[shell sonnet]

Eohippus, lagometryx, Protoceras

[flint sable]

hoofstock/antelope fans rise up

[coarse inlet]

Dysalotosaurus, Elrhazsaurus, and Valdosaurus would legit be nice to have as low resource additions

[flint sable]

YEAG ALL GREAT

SMALL UNGULATE FANS RISE UP

[tulip umbra]

U see id rather get one la brea stork and a couple dryo clones than 20 dryo clones

[coarse inlet]

It was just the first thing I could think of as an example for an animal that's so similar to a modern one as to not be worth adding

[ancient ibex]

Sunda giant marabous, Malta giant swans...

[coarse inlet]

3 Dryo clones and 4 Hypsi clones

[fresh ember]

There's also equids like Merychippus.

[coarse inlet]

And a happy new year!

[flint sable]

💀

[tulip umbra]

Not much better if it was a srs comment…

[fresh ember]

I walked right into that one.

[slim flare]

Steppe hyena please

[shell sonnet]

Just give us the White River

[slim flare]

And/or Homotherium

[flint sable]

🔥

[coarse inlet]

Steppe Hyena is fine but the big one is better

[coarse inlet]

I think that's AI

other people's work run through AI, to be specific

[slim flare]

Objectively wrong

[shell sonnet]

It's stiched together from other people's work yes

[tulip umbra]

Cave hyena is best hyena, fight me

[coarse inlet]

look at this fucking monster and tell me it isnt rad as hell

[slim flare]

Cave bear

[coarse inlet]

it's native to Mordor

[quick ore]

most wanted small exhibit ungulates:
-Propaleotherium
-Hyrachyus
-Neolicaphrium/Thoatherium
-Stenomylus
-Malagasy hippos
-Merycoidodon

[flint sable]

hmmmmmmmm

for me its probably

either syndo or synnethoceras

i forgor which is which

[flint sable]

one is like elk sized and the other is like whitetail deer sized

realistically you could probably get away with making them alts

[quick ore]

OH FUCK NOOO I FORGOT CANDIACERVUS

[flint sable]

would be pretty kewl

[coarse inlet]

Synthetoceras is the huge one

[flint sable]

thought so

[quick ore]

i love tiny deer that shares a formation with Deinogalerix

[flint sable]

thats Hoplitomeryx

[coarse inlet]

we need so many small ungulates for sure

[flint sable]

Candiacervus is from much later iirc

[flint sable]

and from a different island

[coarse inlet]

also notoungulates

and Diplobune

[faint snow]

Doedicurus please

[flint sable]

ye Candiacervus is Late Pleistocene Crete, Hoplitomeryx is from the Miocene of Gargano, Mainland Italy, which was formerly an island

[shell sonnet]

Your forget these two beauties, shame on you

[coarse inlet]

Artiodactyl lemur mimic goes hard af

[flint sable]

what do yall reckon?

size and shape too different or possible?

[quick ore]

ohhh my bad

OH DIPLOBUNE

[tulip umbra]

What animals?

[quick ore]

tbh i consider it in a different category

[coarse inlet]

I love Diplobune

it's so rad

[quick ore]

names?

[flint sable]

Syndyoceras and Synthetoceras

[tulip umbra]

The right one is Protoceras

[coarse inlet]

50 small ungulates are needed

[quick ore]

unforch I think Diplobune would need a good climbing system to be included

[shell sonnet]

Lagomeryxis the left one, Protoceras is the right

[coarse inlet]

D. minor could be a terrarium species

[quick ore]

ohhhh solid choices

but are my choices good?

[coarse inlet]

Like I said just add every protoceratid

[tulip umbra]

Too different is horn structure id say

[flint sable]

for refference, Syndyoceras is about the size of a modern Whitetail, and Synthetoceras is about the size of an elk (not a moose)

[quick tartan]

tubesheep

[shell sonnet]

I think they're fine (though I am an Eohippus supporter)

[eager thunder]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS7oSJ1bLQfLGdHLunBsu5bKwoMj1zw7IyobNyc5OhPL7K8g2TKe9xq5_ECy6pZLfVTEDsCZ1p65S5aTQtMN0B3F5N02oyfeBcfBQHRfV6ywA&s=10 Prolibytherium would be a wonderful small animal

[flint sable]

really?

I think it could work

[tulip umbra]

Where tf did u find synthetoceras as elk sized???

[quick ore]

i just want Gastornis to have a cohab buddy

[quick ore]

not that small is it?

[flint sable]

idk its approximately 300-400lbs

[coarse inlet]

440 lbs, so a bit smaller than a female elk

[quick ore]

500 small ungulates

[eager thunder]

Not Viv I guess but just a small animal

[flint sable]

or 150-250kg

which is pretty close to an elk ye

[quick tartan]

the tube sheep
https://nixillustration.com/tag/tube-sheep/

[quick ore]

https://tenor.com/view/500-cigarettes-the-orville-orville-500-cigarette-gif-10831449428998486949

[quick ore]

i didnt say viv

ok that is kinda small yeah

[eager thunder]

I think it’s neat

[coarse inlet]

Echolocating ungulate?????

wat

[quick ore]

yeah like a shrew

Hyopsodus would be an amazing viv animal

[tulip umbra]

When i was researching them i was using shoulder length this is what i got 💀

[eager thunder]

This really is just a me thing but Bambi raptor would fit in a Viv

[coarse inlet]

that seems too small

[coarse inlet]

no

it's not an adult

adults were bigger

[eager thunder]

Neither is compy

Sooooo

Some liberties can be taken

[quick tartan]

I want drepanasarus in a viv or I riot

[eager thunder]

Also this is still pretty small

[quick tartan]

alone if I must

[tulip umbra]

Nah i think yall are wrong Synthetoceras is not elk sized…

[quick tartan]

must have more weirdos

[coarse inlet]

it's a bit smaller

but still big

[coarse inlet]

Yes

[coarse inlet]

but let's wait because apparently there's some research indicating they're EVEN WEIRDER

[tulip umbra]

Wiki has them at 2m in length

[coarse inlet]

that's big

for an animal without a long tail

that's really big

[tulip umbra]

I mean look at the pics

[coarse inlet]

yeah

big

[quick tartan]

Ben G Tomas did 2 videos on weird deer, if you're looking for ungulate inspo

[gleaming onyx]

Plz

[eager thunder]

There are no Bambiraptor gifs :[

[tulip umbra]

Not really that big

[quick tartan]

Pantydraco (and pelase, give us the outtakes of Nigels lions)

[coarse inlet]

like WHAT

[shell sonnet]

Bathyopsis or Prodinoceras

[coarse inlet]

anyway I want that to be published before Drepano is added

[eager thunder]

I want my weird mammals

Graaaah

https://tenor.com/view/grahhhhh-gif-481511607908229372

[quick tartan]

I mean you live in an era with an upright walking, sweaty hairless predatory ape

[coarse inlet]

maybe YOU'RE hairless

[eager thunder]

Yeah but it’s not dead is it

I’m talking about bringing back the dead weirdos

[quick tartan]

and not our cousins, because that would be weird

[eager thunder]

No

Giant ape too

[quick tartan]

but I would like to see that giatn aye-aye

[coarse inlet]

A Triassic DLC. 20 guys. 10 Vivarium, 10 Habitat, what're you choosing

[eager thunder]

Gigantopithecus blacki summoning

[eager thunder]

Herrerasaurus obviously

First thing

[quick tartan]

he he buttwings
I am high af and forgot what they're called

stupid migraine

little gliding guys

[coarse inlet]

Sharovipteryx

[quick tartan]

yeah! buttwings

also Smok

[eager thunder]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTGn5G5WBwPfhh-NZ7Bt89Ne-khtyOnEP9DmrlQjauVKkQIFE2F3pllo1N18gnvU-fcWAkx981FEfQaMZdWqEF1cPvBgyDGx6D5MFGfxm9Q&s=10 Plagiosarurs for a viv

[coarse inlet]

Vivarium

• Sharovipteryx
• Drepanosaurus
• Venetoraptor
• Henodus
• Thrinaxodon
• Gigatitan
• Hyperodapedon
• Kapes
• Akidostropheus
• Saltopus
• Caviramus
  Habitat
• Postosuchus
• Herrerasaurus
• Placerias
• Erythrosuchus
• Mastodonsaurus
• Sillosuchus
• Shringasaurus
• Desmatosuchus
• Lisowicia
• Saurosuchus

[eager thunder]

What about Plagio?

[fiery crow]

Lagosuchus?

Or is it too small.

[eager thunder]

My boy

[coarse inlet]

very similar to Saltopus

[coarse inlet]

I was assuming not including things that'd need to be under water

Mastodonsaurus is pushing it but it'd work ok on the surface

[eager thunder]

I mean it’s semi aquatic no?

[fiery crow]

Mastodonsaurus my beloved

[coarse inlet]

Gerrothorax hunted from the bottom of rivers and lakes, not the surface

I guess it could be a viv species

but it's pretty wide

hard to fit in there

[quick ore]

what is Herrerasaurus currently placed in

[feral cedar]

It depends on what you define as “small ornithischians”

[eager thunder]

Wait is it a Gerrothorax or plagio

[quick ore]

like taxonomically

[eager thunder]

Therapod

Basel Theropod

[feral cedar]

Honestly zoos need their boring filler lol

Not even really boring, just filler dinosaurs to stuff enclosures with

[tulip umbra]

La Brea Stork and Giant Marabou Stork, Giant Flamingo

[eager thunder]

If we have to have “filler” I’d like more mammals

[tulip umbra]

Cool for cohabitation

[eager thunder]

More cave bear and Panthera stuff

[feral cedar]

Camptosaurus
Hypsilophodon
Tenontosaurus
Thescelosaurus

[feral cedar]

Well the problem with filler of these guys is that the filler in question is still alive today LOL

[quick ore]

I have a bit of an issue with additions like these given they imply pinioning :/

[tulip umbra]

Well ideally we get avian dlc first

[feral cedar]

reindeer, muskoxen, saiga iirc all were mammoth steppe natives

And they’re all still alive

[slim flare]

Bison too

[tulip umbra]

U could find some extinct species of reindeer, but ur better off replacing it with other similar extinct genera

[quick ore]

yeah but some people want cranes or flamingoes in open habitats because zoos do that even though they only do that because they pinion those birds

[slim flare]

Pinion?

[tulip umbra]

Make em flightless

[quick ore]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinioning

cut off part of their hands

[feral cedar]

“This practice is unnecessary and restricted in many countries”

[eager thunder]

I don’t see any Dire wolves in my backyard

[feral cedar]

I’m glad even Wikipedia agrees

[feral cedar]

what

[eager thunder]

I really want dire wolves

[feral cedar]

so does a lot of people

I was explicitly talking about the filler species of the mammoth steppe

[coarse inlet]

There are good zoos with pinioned birds but that's because they're rescues.

so doesnt work for this game where we're creating all our animals

[coarse inlet]

or they rescue ones that were pinioned by a private owner

that's what the Cleveland Zoo did

[quick ore]

still, it is better for them to have aviaries for their birds in case they want birds that aren't pinioned in the future

[coarse inlet]

fair

and as I said, in this game that's not really a factor

[quick ore]

I feel like the pinioning of birds is like, one of the only major criticisms I have with modern zoo practices aside from the housing of certain species

[coarse inlet]

very fair

I know that the zoos I've been to have stopped the practice though they take in pinioned rescues

but not all of them have stopped I'm sure

[tulip umbra]

Purlovia

Vivarium or nah?

It burrows btw iirc

[shell sonnet]

Might be too big for the viviarum based on skull size (20 cm); I'm using Glanosuchus for comparison

[coarse inlet]

what about the ball

[alpine thicket]

there really are no good recons of purlovia huh

[quick ore]

ANTEOSAURUS

[feral cedar]

DID SOMEONE SAY PEAK

Anteosaurus, Dimetrodon, and Inostrancevia are probably the Tyrannosaurus, Spinosaurus, and Giganotosaurus of synapsids in my opinion

[quick ore]

more like of carnivorous synapsids

[feral cedar]

Yeah

Anteosaurus/Tyrannosaurus: The largest carnivorous synapsid/theropod by sheer bulk, honestly pretty big-headed dude with adaptations to tackle large prey
Dimetrodon/Spinosaurus: Sail-backed predator that lived in a riverside environment. Usually ascribed greater swimming capabilities than it actually possessed
Inostrancevia/Giganotosaurus: I think I read somewhere that Inostrancevia bit prey and caused blood loss akin to how Giganotosaurus and other allosauroids might've hunted sauropods. Also, Inostrancevia and Giganotosaurus are both the largest member of a family that is honestly a little bit overrated

[gleaming onyx]

Wish gerrothorax

Gerrothorax with that as alt is perfect

[eager thunder]

Is Pagio a species variant or something?

I just saw that version first

[gleaming onyx]

Idk

nothing a quick google wont fix

[eager thunder]

They are both, different Plagiosauridae

[gleaming onyx]

Legit genus

[eager thunder]

Apparently

[gleaming onyx]

Yes

I thought that the family would be named after gerro but I guess not

Other one was discovered first

That as a gerro alt or vice versa would be perfection

And their animations would be sick with gills and sitting on the bottom of the water slowly opening and closing their mouths

peak

[eager thunder]

Apparently they didn’t have those axolotol
things

[gleaming onyx]

I dont care

They are cooler with them

[eager thunder]

Agreed

[gleaming onyx]

Urganaaluk wasnt a thing and neither is saurophaganax

Pk takes creative liberties

[eager thunder]

Plus pachyrinos have fur who cares

[gleaming onyx]

as they should

[limber needle]

You just gave me an idea: if megalania comes out, the babies must be taken and put in a vivarium until they are old enough to not get cannibalised by their parents

[limber needle]

So just a swan then?

[plain knoll]

You got a point

[limber needle]

Chester zoo does that with their babies

[tidal flame]

I was literally just thinking about this idea a minute ago, thank you for expressing it

[limber needle]

I just wonder when we'd have to put the babies back

[tidal flame]

That’s the tricky part because they would have probably been very cannabilistic along with this I wonder if you would only be able to introduce them during mating season then separate them like cassowary’s in real life

[limber needle]

Id probably say here, I'm using Komodo dragons for ontogeny because we only have later growth stages of megalanias life in fossils

Btw in-game it would be called varanus priscus as opposed to 'megalania' like how the 'short faced bear' is ursus spleaus.

[tidal flame]

Also who else is excited for turtles

[peak hazel]

Im pretty sure Ursus spleaus is the cave bear

[dusky obsidian]

Megalania-Largest Terrestrial Lizard
Prionosuchus-Biggest known Amphibian
Inostrancevia
Cotylorhynchus
Anteosaurus-Biggest known Permian Predator
Dimetrodon
Tappenosaurus
Arthropleura-Largest known land Arthropod
Rhachiocephalus
Purrussaurus-Biggest Cenozoic Crocodile (?)
Stomatosuchus
Koolasuchus-One of the Largest Temmnospondyls to exist
Maip-Largest knwon megaraptorid
Herrerasaurus
Ingentia
Postosuchus
Barinasuchus-Largest Terrestrial Predator in the Cenozoic
Arizonasaurus
Desmatosuchus
Prestosuchus
Smok-Largest (?)Carnivorous archosaur from Europe
Dacentrurus-Largest Stegosaur (?)
Erythrosuchus
Shaochilong
Concavenator
Giganotosaurus
Fasolasuchus-Largest known rauisuchian
Epanterias
Shantungosaurus-Largest Hadrosaur
Magnapaulia-Largest known Lambeosaurine
Olorotitan
Udanoceratops-Largest known leptoceratopsid
Lisowicia-Largest known dicynodont
Austroraptor
Cryolophosaurus
Leviathanochelys-Europes largest turtle
Stupendemys-largest freshwater turtle

[plain knoll]

Some dinosaur that I wanna see in future

[plain knoll]

MAMMALS

[limber needle]

Yaay me want anteosaurus I want trex bear I'm the biggest anteosaurus fan ever

[low bridge]

I go with Nigersaurus

[lost magnet]

Sodom & Gomorrah >>>

[lost magnet]

Only based options, but what's the Hadrosaur exactly?

[lost magnet]

It's a cool fella

[plain knoll]

Maiasaura

[lost magnet]

Ohhhh

Maiasaura used to be a star, but has become very underrated in recent years

[plain knoll]

Frr

[lost magnet]

I usually recognize it by the lil crest on its brows tho

[lost magnet]

Same can be said for Corythosaurus and Megalosaurus

[plain knoll]

Yeah

[lost magnet]

Probably one of my favourite Hadrosaurs

[lost magnet]

Some of my must have dinosaurs
Lythronax
Daspletosaurus
Torosaurus
Diabloceratops
Mamenchisaurus
Yangchuanosaurus
Shunosaurus
Eoabelisaurus
Corythosaurus
Stegoceras

[tulip umbra]

Yk adding names to the picture ur showing should be the bare minimum

[lost magnet]

Guanlong
Megalosaurus
Ceratosaurus
Tarchia
Kentrosaurus
Huayangosaurus
Sinraptor
Lessemsaurus
Europasaurus

[lost magnet]

Hold on a sec

Emausaurus
Gorgosaurus
Miragaia
Dracopelta
Baryonyx
Thescelosaurus

[lean hound]

baryonyx is confirmed

[lost magnet]

Sick

[spring ridge]

Platygonus compressus and Mylohyus nasutus

[lost magnet]

Pigs :D

[spring ridge]

murder pigs

i want to hog bomb my smilodon habitat when combat comes out with these guys

[lost magnet]

Something something ethics

[lost magnet]

Yes

[fiery crow]

it lowkey looks depressed in that first image 😭

[plain knoll]

Hehe

[lost magnet]

Yessssss

[mental goblet]

Add these guys

[plain knoll]

🔥🔥

[lost magnet]

Monolophosaurus when

[vivid field]

WAIT NANO IS BACK????

we”re getting 10

everything says 10

oh i’m sorry i didn’t realize this was months ago ;-;

[vivid field]

DESMOSTYLIANS :D

I would personally like

Habitat:

Guanlong
Dacentrurus
Nanotyrannus
Kentrosaurus
Borealopelta
Scutellosaurus
Shantungosaurus
Irritator (creative liberty with the pelican mouth because pk does that with examples like ugrunaaluk and pachyrhinosaurus)
Carnotaurus

Vivarium:

Dimorphodon
Drepanosaurus
Gigatitan
Sharovipteryx
Halzskaraptor
Meganeura

[sharp plinth]

he has been, for a little while now

lil goober tyranno

[ancient ibex]

Irritator (creative liberty with the detaching jaw because pk does that with examples like ugrunaaluk and pachyrhinosaurus)

That thing was basically a lack of reading comprehension tho

[vivid field]

the pelican jaw?

[ancient ibex]

The snake jaw

Lowkey pelicanesque throat widening is not farfetched

(Also funny how people doubled down on "this makes Irritator unique" when it is the entire basis of cheek region and jaw joint of spinosaurids)

[fiery crow]

Saccorhytus
look at this fucking monstrosity

oh nevermind it was only a millimetre in size 😭

[left spear]

Outstanding

It should have 8 skins

[fiery crow]

it lowkey looks like a demonic Homer Simpson head 😭

[dire basin]

i DEMAND halszkaraptor as a new amphibious vivarium species

[spring ridge]

never heard of em

[shy gulch]

lowkey looks like my dog lmao

heheheh

[steep tulip]

"We're also excited to share that at the end of Early Access, a few more fan-favorite species will be coming to the vivariums! Which ones? You'll have to wait and see"

This kinda confirms to me that the 2 insectivores are indeed vivariums animals

https://tenor.com/view/arthropleura-prehistoric-life-on-our-planet-gif-13313229149839493240

[glass urchin]

No idea who they could be then

Arthro is a herbivore sadly

But I don’t think they are on the trello board but maybe they are

[tulip umbra]

Arthro is a detritivore iirc, which yea theres no symbol for that

Insectivore could be meganeura or pulmono tho

[steep tulip]

There's 7 herbivores in u19 as well

[low bridge]

Epidexipteryx

[steep tulip]

One could be arthropleura

[mint creek]

I'm still betting on Theri/Nothro as alts

Yes I know they weren't insectivores but;

• As we've learnt from this update the devs will lie to maintain surprises
• Plateosaurus is an insectivore in-game despite not being so in real life, so the devs do alter diets

[low bridge]

Duonychus where?

Peak Theri

[steep tulip]

If theri is in its probably one of the additional herbivores

Usually devs go with their main diets as their icons

[tulip umbra]

Well i doubt they are gonna lie in the official patch notes to the whole public. Over here in Discord yea sure, I can see them lying. So id say guaranteed more vivariums, the insectivores make sense for vivarium.

[mint creek]

These aren't official patch notes, it's a public trello that's subject to change

[shell sonnet]

So with Diplocaulus they went with the Arryo formation as opposed to a generic Red Bed selection.
Arryo contains amongst other things:
Eryops megacephalus
Edaphosaurus pogonias
Dimetrodon grandis
Diadectes tenuitectens
Seymouria baylorensis

(they also got Diplocaulus' time period wrong in game)

[abstract compass]

whats it say ingame?

[shell sonnet]

Carboniferous; but Diplocaulus magnicornis is Permian

(as is the Arryo formartion)

[peak hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/asgore-run-over-triki-troy-deltarune-gif-17995477417765303444

[abstract compass]

diplocaulus' temporal range does go from carboniferous to permian. but ehhh...if the devs adjust it its just a minor nitpick

[heavy scarab]

I have a question, they have said 3 varieties of extinct bison are coming to the game at a later date headlined by Bison latifrons but on the wiki it is mislabeled as 'Bos'

[shell sonnet]

Bison is nested within Bos; they're actually more closely related then when the names were first given

Having said that, Bos is likely DLC so it's not certain

[hollow furnace]

they have not said three varieties are coming, they've said two species (latifrons and priscus)

[coarse inlet]

So for U19 we’re probably getting 2 insectivores and a herbivore or two for vivariums

Hoping for Meganeura, Drepanosaurus, Arthropleura, and Heterodontosaurus

[steep tulip]

Oh so that one was the carboniferous

I still believe at least arthropleura and meganeura are coming

I want to know how they did the snake

And if it can be applied to something like arthropleura

[coarse inlet]

Probably not