Community Species Suggestions

[desert flame]

It is not clear which vivarium the 10th vivarium animal will be classified as, so it is possible.

[shell sonnet]

I think the safest option is that the arboreal lizard is Permian and the tenth species is Carboniferous

[steep tulip]

I hope its an invertebrate, picking a generic early amniote as the the first carbo would be a choice

[shell sonnet]

The reverse isn't impossible but the options are much smaller in both cases

Megarachne might work but reconsturction of it is difficult

[steep tulip]

How big is acanthostega

[shell sonnet]

60 cm

[steep tulip]

Don't this they will go with it but still an option

[steep tulip]

Too big

[tulip umbra]

Given that many have never heard of this species specifically, id doubt it. Especially cuz there are much more well known species in the group

[steep tulip]

Coelurosauravus is like 40 cm

If we assume that's the permian, it has to be smaller than that

[tulip umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/show1ng-gif-12802091968734556667

[shell sonnet]

Sure... but they all died out in the great Devonian extinction

[tulip umbra]

When is update releasing? 23rd?

[coarse inlet]

Hopefully

but if too buggy they might delay till January

[desert flame]

If the arboreal lizard is Permian, I'd be happy if it was Suminia.

[shell sonnet]

It won't be

[coarse inlet]

it's not

[steep tulip]

Yes
Unless they discover game breaking bugs in these few days

[shell sonnet]

Formation order prevents that

unless it's another prank

doubtful though

[steep tulip]

Tbh are we sure permian still a thing
Mau didn't comment on it

[shell sonnet]

It's on the filter list for the Paleopedia

[steep tulip]

Oh true nvm

Yeah Im going coelurosauravus

Or the bigger one

[tulip umbra]

What are all the potential animals from carboniferous? If we forego things like smallest animal and formation order?

They all are fire picks

[amber field]

bugs of course

[peak hazel]

unless this secret 10th species is somehow from an existing formation

[tulip umbra]

Diplo, Pulmono, Meganeura, Arthro

[shell sonnet]

If it's from the Carbon or the Permian, it can't be

it has to be a new one

And Francis Creek does come after Frag, so we'd still get the Elliot Formation for Heterodonto

[desert flame]

Millipedes, dragonflies and scorpions.

[peak hazel]

a heterodontosaur would be cool

[shell sonnet]

Most sadly too big

[peak hazel]

I assume pulmonoscorpios is way too large

[shell sonnet]

Yeah

70 cm

[tulip umbra]

If mau was talking abt weight, could it be Meganeura?

[tough marsh]

late permian diplocaulus is smaller then Yi

so

[shell sonnet]

But magnicornis isn't

[amber field]

tiktalik is 2m

[shell sonnet]

and that's the main one

[shell sonnet]

We're not comparing it to the fish, we're comparing it to Yi

[tulip umbra]

“Its the smallest” could potentially also be its the lightest

[shell sonnet]

The word was tiniest

[amber field]

ah it's big

[shell sonnet]

It needs to be smaller than Yi

[steep tulip]

Imagine it's hylonomus

[tulip umbra]

Ah shit, so many hints and we still got no clue

[steep tulip]

It has to be semi aquatic

Come on now

[tulip umbra]

The trailer couldnt come any sooner

[steep tulip]

Otherwise we would have only 2

[tulip umbra]

Thats what im feeling to

[peak hazel]

I can't believe mau has got us with this one

[shell sonnet]

Yi is also incredibly lightweight. It weights less than a lb

I doubt we'll find much weighing less than that

[coarse inlet]

yeah but I doubt that's what Mau was referring to really

[shell sonnet]

I don't either

But people have brought up mass before

[steep tulip]

Unless the mammal is indohyus

[coarse inlet]

no?

we already know the mammal is semiaquatic regardless

that's factored into the 2

[steep tulip]

And the other dino is halszakaraptor

[tulip umbra]

If the formations are anything to go by

[coarse inlet]

it's probably not

[tulip umbra]

Halzka is out

[shell sonnet]

Halskza has the problem of being from an existing formation

[coarse inlet]

Halska isn't out, it's just 75% less likely than before

[shell sonnet]

The diet was already a bit of a problem though

[steep tulip]

Well it either is or isn't

[tulip umbra]

Watch it be some animal that nobody has never even heard of, but somehow ticks all the the hints

[shell sonnet]

I mean we still haven't solved the lizard's diet

[steep tulip]

They also had the herbivore feeder for the semi aquatic vivariums
Could mean nothing, could mean something

[steep tulip]

I just think they got it wrong tbh

[coarse inlet]

the feeders can have any of the food types

[steep tulip]

I know, but maybe they wanted to pick an animal for each so no one would have went unused

[shell sonnet]

never mind trailers here

[tulip umbra]

2 carnivores, 1 herbivore. I wouldnt be surprised if it was a mix carnivores insectivore

[hollow flower]

Weve got a snake

A turtle

Peltephilus

An alvarezsaur

A diictodont

Diplocaulus

[lean hound]

Mono

[hollow flower]

I swear they said that it wasnt one of them?

Then again they said snakes are unlikely I think

[hollow furnace]

they said a lot of things lmao

[plush nacelle]

Blurred list entirely right

[steep tulip]

Since diplo is magnicornis

Who is the carboniferous

Oh no wait
They might have put it as the carbo, forgot it wasn't permian only

[shell sonnet]

Magnicornis is Permian

[tulip umbra]

I WON

Diplocopers WON

[true elk]

Congratulations. You're the only person who guessed the turtle

[tulip umbra]

I KNOWWWW

thank youuuuuu

As soon i saw that lil dude, he shot up in my wants

And now he’s already here

Like whatttt

[coarse inlet]

the prophecy

[steep tulip]

Lol

So the carbo thing refers to nothing

Just something that's coming

[tulip umbra]

Insects…

[shell sonnet]

Probably just means U19

[tulip umbra]

There was never even a second funky dino haha

[coarse inlet]

diplocaulus

[shell sonnet]

Except that species is Permian

[tulip umbra]

Maybe the devs do actually look at this channel

[shell sonnet]

Only the type species is from the Carbon.

And that one is a few vetebrates

So no, there are no Carboniferous animals

[tulip umbra]

Anyone got the blurred road map?

[plush nacelle]

We got everything right

Even including peltephilus, which was truly random shot

[steep tulip]

I deadass thought we got it wrong

[tulip umbra]

That roadmap is nearly one for one, with the only difference being more animals and U19 merge

[steep tulip]

Well "we"

I didn't do none lol

[plush nacelle]

I guess it would mean everything Mau said back then was true

[tulip umbra]

Anyone got a pic of it?

[plush nacelle]

From interesting side of things with 84 species back then there was no space for edmontonia alts

[peak hazel]

someone put boa even after mau said it wasn't coming?

[plush nacelle]

I gladly take more vivariums instead

[hollow furnace]

no

Titanoboa, Diplo, Sahon, Yi, and Tiktaalik weren't part of the inital 5 vivarium animals from the blurred roadmap

they got added later

[tulip umbra]

The roadmap is still right, it just got bigger

[desert flame]

I win...

[feral cedar]

SO

How did all the hints line up with the vivarium critters

[hollow furnace]

not at all

[flint sable]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[hollow furnace]

Mau made them up

[flint sable]

they didnt

mau lied

[feral cedar]

Wow

[flint sable]

except possibly the one we got yesterday about the smallest one, that one was technically true

[feral cedar]

And the boy cries wolf once more...

[flint sable]

with the turtle

but the arboreal lizard, semiaquatic mammal, funky dinosaur, and fuzzy triassic critter never existed

HOWEVER

when in reguards to that

mau did sa

say

and I quote

[plush nacelle]

No edmontonia alts, instead more vivariums in U19, cope

[flint sable]

we're not stopping here haha

[feral cedar]

I mean I'm thrilled with the selection of animals we got, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't picking up on a copious lack of fuzzy Triassic critters, arboreal lizards, and semi-aquatic mammals

[flint sable]

and also

"just give it time"

he said both of those in reguards to vivs

the second one was specifically in reguards to the hints he lied about

[peak hazel]

big pk is covering them up

[feral cedar]

Diictodon, Diplocaulus, and Tiktaalik are a stellar starting Paleozoic roster

[steep tulip]

We might get more

There's carboniferous stuff coming too

[peak hazel]

I'm very happy with this roster even if lacks fuzzy Triassic critters, arboreal lizards, and semi-aquatic mammals

[feral cedar]

I do think this gives more credence to just not listening to Mau LMAO

[flint sable]

wikipedia roster updated

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_Kingdom

[peak hazel]

I'm never trusting that dastardly trickster ever again

[flint sable]

I would say it depends

mau lies about some things but also doesnt lie about others

so basically take everything he says with skeptecism from now on, he is not the messiah

[plush nacelle]

U19 with eohippus, leptictidium, arthropleura, meganeura, pulmionoscorpius and idk

[tulip umbra]

Yk i felt something had to be a lie

[flint sable]

species and genus counts still needa be updated but whatever ill do that on the 23rd

[steep tulip]

Probably all vivariums
But you can now make a cute paleozoic starting area, or something akin to a reptile house which I love

[tulip umbra]

It really didnt make any sense otherwise lol

[open heron]

Got just one question about the new guys rn...
Who the fuck's eating the corn?

[hollow furnace]

no one

[flint sable]

nobody

[coarse inlet]

Diplocaulus

[flint sable]

presumabley they added all feeder variations for all types even if nothing is eating them

just so that it didnt feel like it had a weird gap

[open heron]

It specifically picks the corn out of the feeder and leaves the rest

[steep tulip]

Hoping game does well at launch so the corn won't spoil

🙏

[open heron]

Like those feeder items where you hide the treats for the animals to try to pick out

[coarse inlet]

I feel like we can say it at this point, on Patreon there was concept art of the veggie feeder and a Diplocaulus doodle next to it

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/smoking-duck-duck-shaking-head-it-is-what-it-is-duck-duck-with-cigarette-gif-11624994694421972110

[tulip umbra]

Indeed haha

[steep tulip]

Ain't no way
I think I missed that one lmao

[tulip umbra]

Though it was by no means certain

[fiery crow]

how did I never even see that

[tulip umbra]

It just kinda looked like it a little

[coarse inlet]

Yeah it was a very cartoony doodle

I was like 80% sure it was Diplo

but not 100%

[open heron]

Literally just drew this as a joke are you telling me it might actually be real lmfao?!?!

Diplocornus

[coarse inlet]

the concept art had it with seaweed but yeah

[wary nacelle]

Diplocaulus confirmed let’s go

[tulip umbra]

Im pretty keen on saying whats on the blurred roadmap is pretty certain atp

[feral cedar]

Mau lied to try to save face after not blurring the roadmap enough but it couldn't last forever

[steep tulip]

I feel kinda bad because now a lot of people in the server know about it so some of the stuff is less of a surprise
But tbh having some kind of expectations of what's coming isn't half bad, so can't complain

[ancient ibex]

I honestly hope the horned gopher eventually makes it now

[fiery crow]

Ceratogaulus?

[tulip umbra]

He would be nice

[ancient ibex]

Yup

[tulip umbra]

But i think his chances are smaller now

[ancient ibex]

Horned gopher and horned armadillo side by side is cute

[hollow furnace]

Another one for the vivarium reskins

[tulip umbra]

Cuz Peltephilus kinda fills his spot, and the next slots prob wanna pick more diversity

[hollow furnace]

Just swap the armadillo for a gopher and you're good to go

[tulip umbra]

Future modders work ez

[ancient ibex]

I don't think a gopher and an armadillo are that similar tho

[tulip umbra]

Ik but to the general audience theyre essentially gonna feel the same

Many myself included would much rather the slots go to the arthropods for example

[ancient ibex]

I don't see that to be mutually exclusive

More miocene stuff is also neat

[feral cedar]

ngl this might be a bit of a hot take but it sort of illustrates that there really isn't a good outcome to posting roadmaps :/

[ancient ibex]

Eh

Only if you can't handle those in a healthy way

[shell sonnet]

Feels less of a reason given its niche is kind of taken

[hollow furnace]

luckily lots of surprises coming anyways

Hell, half the animals we got this updates were surprise anyways

[shell sonnet]

Though I do love their burrow fossils

[feral cedar]

The roadmap either spoils everything or it doesn't show anything which kinda makes you wonder why even post it at all

I do expect to get every animal seen in the roadmap, but I wouldn't be surprised if we got more

[steep tulip]

I mean it at least gave us how many slots we had left

For animals

[ancient ibex]

It creates hype

[steep tulip]

Now there might be more than shown
But having a baseline to speculate on isn't terrible

[tulip umbra]

The Peltephilus and Ceratogaulus fill a similar niche towards the player as a small (horned) burrowing mammal. The devs will most likely prioritise different niches like Bugs, Frog etc. So Ceratogaulus’ chance has somewhat diminished

[ancient ibex]

We literally have 3 flying pennaraptorans

And that's good

[coarse inlet]

not good, we need more

Presbyornis when

[tulip umbra]

Archie and micro are too iconic and yi was unique enough. If anything i would say its an exception, not the rule.

[steep tulip]

We need

The fact that vivariums are easier to implement than a lot other stuff means they can add more easily

[feral cedar]

You're forgetting that not everyone views mammals the way we view dinosaurs, unfortunately

[tulip umbra]

Enanthiornithine rep ple

If thats how u spell it

[steep tulip]

So "clone" stuff isn't really a problem

[shell sonnet]

Give me the toothed seagull

[feral cedar]

While dino fans are more than happy for Micro, Archie, and Yi, they might dismiss Ceratogaulus and Peltephilus as too similar

[shell sonnet]

I still want Ceratogaulus , just not a high priority

[feral cedar]

the only reason I disagree is because I think the arboreal vivarium does not suit a seagull-type birb ngl

[tulip umbra]

I think many of us paleonerds need to remember to first and foremost look at it from the general audience perspective

[coarse inlet]

turtle

[shell sonnet]

It's for the semi-aquatic one

It's not meant for the trees

[steep tulip]

I don't see the problem
Vivariums seem made for more obscure picks almost

[shell sonnet]

That alone would make it unique

[tulip umbra]

Wouldnt it have been a marine environment then?

[shell sonnet]

They can add a beach biome down the line

[steep tulip]

Like they can put them to buff out dlcs and content updates easily

[feral cedar]

can we put perches on the semi-aquatic one?

[shell sonnet]

Or pretend the desert is sand

[tulip umbra]

So far id say only fresh water species are possible

[shell sonnet]

You do know that there's placeable tree enrichment for the semi-aquatic vivariums along with the shoreline

heck there's a lounging rock

[feral cedar]

no I didn't know that

[plush nacelle]

Alright, so if we take into account old Mau comments from shortly before blurred roadmap then yi, titanoboa, tiktaalik and diplo are more recent additions due to going back from free roaming mini idea. Would make sense with how list featured all small terrestrial critters

So roster expanded from 84 to 88, then U19 expaned it to 94 and now turtle is making it 95

[fresh ember]

Inb4 U19 rounds it up to 100 even.

[steep tulip]

That would be peak

[plush nacelle]

Tbh I wouldnt be surprised for U19 to be mostly made up by minis

[steep tulip]

Tho 5 other animals is hard to pull off when there's already tons of slots

But you never know

[plush nacelle]

So, if roster was supposed to feature 84 species and 2 missing alt species were for stego and pachy, then it opens plenty space in U19 for carbonioferous bug trio and leptictidium

[tulip umbra]

Also given that the roster is expanding, i would say ppl making arguments of x cant be changed cuz nigel voicelines are already recorded might be null

[steep tulip]

They could record more easily tbh

[hollow furnace]

Nathan doing a Nigel impression for Sahon's voicelines lmao

[steep tulip]

I think they would consider before scrapping stuff completely because that's just wasting money then

[plush nacelle]

U19 with 101 animals so Mau can put in trailer - game with over 100 species !!

[steep tulip]

Cotylorhynchus is the 101

[plush nacelle]

Classic Frontier move. I think they are usually including 2 more animals lmao

[tulip umbra]

True, “100+ species” sounds much better than “100 species” hehehe

[neat wind]

i say majungasaurus is vey likely

how likely is masiakasaurus

[trail moth]

i'd love masiaka, id say it's moderately likely though

[steep tulip]

Yeah

Noasaurs aren't like manys tops picks

But considering its from a pretty great formation it got chances

[coarse inlet]

they're MINE

[peak hazel]

they're weird so I think they have a place in the game

[trail moth]

i like noasaurids for just looking really weird, i love oddballs

[steep tulip]

Same 🥀
If I could I would love to get 3/4

[trail moth]

also why i like brachytrachelopan and think it'd be a good addition, though idk how much fossils we have for it to be a reasonable choice

[steep tulip]

Only because there aren't many in great conditions

[steep tulip]

I find it funny how much this guy is requested over closer relatives like dicraeosaurus

Tho it is a great pick too

[peak hazel]

because its really funny

[trail moth]

how are you gonna be a sauropod and have such a short neck

its tail stole the length

[neat wind]

masiakasaurus is the best noasaurid pick

it's same size as velo so it would be full

[steep tulip]

Tied with elaphrosaurus and limusaurus for me

[trail moth]

honestly most of my dinosaur wants are covered for the most part

[neat wind]

they are not from peak madagascar

[trail moth]

biggest wants are really just shunosaurus (favorite dinosaur in general) and austroraptor

[coarse inlet]

Elaphrosaurus is something I really want

[peak hazel]

I need allosaurus

[coarse inlet]

especially if we get Kentrosaurus

[coarse inlet]

good news

[peak hazel]

ik

[coarse inlet]

ikyk

A cool small DLC format would be to add 2 charismatic habitat species and 4 vivarium species from a given period
Carboniferous:

• Edaphosaurus
• Pholiderpeton
• Arthropleura
• Meganeura
• Hylonomus
• Hibbertopterus

Permian:

• Inostrancevia
• Anteosaurus
• Coelurosauravus
• Suminia
• Platyhystrix
• Euchambersia

Triassic:

• Postosuchus
• Desmatosuchus
• Drepanosaurus
• Henodus
• Venetoraptor
• Thrinaxodon

Jurassic:

• Ceratosaurus
• Kentrosaurus
• Volaticotherium
• Dimorphodon
• Heterodontosaurus
• Castorocauda

Cretaceous:

• Deinonychus
• Therizinosaurus
• Didelphodon
• Avisaurus
• Orodromeus
• Ichthyornis

Paleogene:

• Gastornis
• Megacerops
• Leptictidium
• Presbyornis
• Diplobune
• Merycochoerus

Neogene:

• Daeodon
• Chalicotherium
• Ceratogaulus
• Microleo
• Lycopsis
• Gnatusuchus

Quaternary

• Arctodus
• Mammut
• Myotragus
• Mekosuchus
• Acratocnus
• Aptornis

[trail moth]

otherwise it's only inostrancevia, anteosaurus, sillosuchus, desmatosuchus, and barinasuchus

[steep tulip]

That would be ideal imo

[peak hazel]

I'm just going to end up with a lot of empty enclosures in my Morrison enclosure until then

which is very sad

[coarse inlet]

yeah same lol

I need Stego so bad

[peak hazel]

since I'm very smart I'll have them be under construction

so its not just blank space

[steep tulip]

Devs been edging me with stego for 2 full years

[peak hazel]

stegosaurus should slot nicely into the herbivore enclosures unless it has different requirements

[wary nacelle]

Perfect guy for beach terrariums

[peak hazel]

enchodus?

[wary nacelle]

Monosmilus

[trail moth]

im imagining that really triumphant part of battle of the salt plains playing as allos hunt an apato or bronto (since diplodocus proper isn't ingame yet)

[peak hazel]

oh man that would go hard

if I was to recreate that scene it'd be with bronto since I like it more

unlike jwe where apato isn't good
its a very nice sauropod design
but Bronto mogs

[coarse inlet]

Apato is good but kinda plain

Bronto is just peak

Honestly a Morrison DLC would be fun, if it had a bunch of vivarium stuff
Habitat Species:

• Ornitholestes
• Diplodocus
• Ceratosaurus
• Gargoyleosaurus
• Camptosaurus
  Vivarium Species:
• Docodon
• Fruitadens
• Hallopus
• Diablophus
• Cteniogenys
• Eilenodon

[peak hazel]

camptosaurus

[coarse inlet]

SHIT

[trail moth]

yeah i find bronto looks a lot better, esp with the neck spikes

[coarse inlet]

I literally made this list as a way to suggest Camptosaurus and then FORGOT TO PUT IT ON THE LIST

[steep tulip]

Eielenodon

[peak hazel]

the pattern is also really good

HOLD ON???

[trail moth]

(what's the term for the things on the lower part of the neck? im not too well researched on sauropod stuff)

[peak hazel]

HIS WRITING IS THIS FIRE????

[steep tulip]

One of my fav pk designs ever

I use bronto a lot in my parks

[coarse inlet]

I literally can ONLY think of this design for Brontosaurus

[peak hazel]

(I haven't used brontosaurus in this game yet)

[coarse inlet]

I tried to make a fan design for how I'd like a JP Bronto to look and it ended up looking too similar

[peak hazel]

its not that I don't want to use it
fantastic sauropod design

[trail moth]

honestly i think of PK designs for a huge chunk of dinos

[peak hazel]

my parks just never make it far enough for bronto

[trail moth]

aside from tyrannosaurus and velociraptor where i think of the PhP designs

[peak hazel]

true...

when I draw dinosaurs they end up being the pk designs a lot now

[coarse inlet]

for me the ones that it really eclipses anything else with are T. rex, Brontosaurus, Edmontosaurus, Oviraptor, and the ceratopsians

[trail moth]

acro is also a 50/50 between PK and the ark one

[coarse inlet]

honestly Acro is one of my least favorite PK designs

it's still GOOD

but it's not spectacular

[peak hazel]

acrocanthosaurus sweep

but yeah its between ark and pk for the acro design

[wary nacelle]

Still mad we didn’t get sacabambapsis aquatic terrarium 😔

[coarse inlet]

we dont have aquatic vivariums yet, that's why

[left spear]

We don't have saltwater yet

They'll come don't worry

[wary nacelle]

Easy fix

Just uhhh

Just

Salt the water

[trail moth]

list of critters i'd like to see in PK (IF they can get full aquatics working)

[coarse inlet]

Honestly DLC packs that focus entirely on the little critters that lived with the big charismatic ones would get ALL my money

[tulip umbra]

Yo

I just realised

Blurred roadmap had Deinosuchus and Ambulocetus

So like…

[peak hazel]

WHERE IS CYMBOSPONDYLUS

[trail moth]

though a lot of these may or may not be too fragmentary

[tulip umbra]

They might actually be real

[trail moth]

oh cymbo would be funny

i was also thinking about khinjaria

[peak hazel]

the goat of marine reptiles

I namedrop it as my favourite ichthyosaur whenever possible

[coarse inlet]

You have a favorite ichthyosaur?

I can't choose one

[peak hazel]

they're all cool

[coarse inlet]

they're all so good

[fiery crow]

Cymbospondylus

[peak hazel]

but cymbospondylus is on another level of cool

even if the fact that ichthyosaurs existed deeply upsets me

[fiery crow]

Cymbo looked so badass

[peak hazel]

once I watched sea monsters

I knew it was the coolest one

[coarse inlet]

Shonisaurus though

and Eurhinosaurus

and Himalayasaurus

[peak hazel]

was talking to mr spinosaurus on thursday and still got to namedrop cymbospondylus and the fact that its the best one

EURHINOSAURUS MENTIONED

[coarse inlet]

and Thalattoarchon

[trail moth]

shoni and eurhino would be cool to see in PK

[peak hazel]

eurhino is the funniest one

[steep tulip]

Ichthyosaurs freaky ass corn on the cob bone slab flippers

[coarse inlet]

they're vile monsters and I love them

[peak hazel]

you could add any of the parvipelvian ichthyosaurs and it'd be awesome

[peak hazel]

pretty much

I hate that such an evil and vile animal existed
but its a really awesome evil and vile animal

[coarse inlet]

yeah it's like Udanoceratops

[peak hazel]

also the none parvipelvian ichthyosaurs because cymbospondylus isn't a parvipelvian

[coarse inlet]

just any ichthyosaur really

[peak hazel]

and deinocheirus
and the large azdharchid pterosaurs
and the therizinosaurs

[coarse inlet]

and titanosaurs with their fucked up hands

[peak hazel]

a lot of mesozoic stuff is really weird, I'm just used to it

but those guys are extra weird

[coarse inlet]

and Drepanosaurs

[peak hazel]

allosaurus is a pretty standard theropod but its bizarre compared to any living animal

still one of my favourites

[coarse inlet]

Drepanosaurus's arms are the most cursed thing of all time and I LOVE it

[trail moth]

i wouldnt be surprised if someone genuinely thought deinocheirus was closer to therizinosaurs instead of ornithomimids, due to their superficial appearances

that's how weird deinocheirus is

[peak hazel]

oh I used to

[coarse inlet]

funny that a creationist website posted this when it's clearly proof against a loving god

[peak hazel]

what god would make that

it does show how consistent the vertebrate skeleton is though

[coarse inlet]

yeah

[trail moth]

oh my gosh 😭

[steep tulip]

They also apparently had one of them bigger than the other like fiddler crabs

Insane stuff

[peak hazel]

I hate it

[coarse inlet]

the fact that the radius and ulna are at like a 70 degree angle haunts me

[coarse inlet]

THEY WHAT

https://tenor.com/view/weird-kids-rwby-roman-torchwick-gif-11856371

[steep tulip]

Yeah
Paper didn't release yet
Hope it will soon

[peak hazel]

UNPUBLISHED INFORMATION

how could you

[coarse inlet]

WHAT THE FUCK ARE DREPANOSAURS

[peak hazel]

I got like 5 different unpublished things this week

[coarse inlet]

Bird head, claw on the end of the prehensile tail, novel integument nothing else has, fucked up ASYMMETRICAL arms

[steep tulip]

Me when I trying to be every animal all at once

[peak hazel]

evil and vile animal

[ancient ibex]

Triassic madness

[coarse inlet]

Definitely the animal of all time

[feral cedar]

I smell people praising Cymbospondylus

[peak hazel]

yeah its the goat

[feral cedar]

cease your tomfoolery

Temnodontosaurus is what you want

[peak hazel]

I'd be happy with that

not as cool but its still Temnodontosaurus

[fiery crow]

no. we want Omphalosaurus.

[feral cedar]

If Cymbo is the coolest ichthyosaur by not looking like an ichthyosaur then it is a FAKE

[peak hazel]

Temnodontosaurus is still top 5

best 2 are cymbospondylus and eurhinosaurus

[ancient ibex]

Cymbospondylus was at the degree of adaptation to marine predation mosasaurs were at when the meteor hit pretty muchh

[trail moth]

drepanosaurus feels like something you'd make in spore

[peak hazel]

and yet it is one of the most basal ichthyosaurs we know of

[ancient ibex]

I honestly find Cymbospondylus a bit boring for ichthyosaur rep

It is cool, but, there are cooler ichthyosaurs

[peak hazel]

WRONG

[feral cedar]

Cymbospondylus and Plotosaurus are two sides of the same coin imo. They're cool, don't get me wrong, but looking like another marine reptile clade just doesn't hit right with me

[ancient ibex]

Shastasaurs and Temnodontosaurus are doing similar things, AND mosasaurs never got to do something similar

[peak hazel]

its just a really cool group in general

[ancient ibex]

(Also ngl but your handle keeps confusing me as I mix you up with the other Mr Troodon)

[coarse inlet]

All ichthyosaurs are awesome

same with plesiosaurs

[feral cedar]

Cymbospondylus should be the last ichthyosaur added, right after we get Ichthyosaurus itself, Ophthalmosaurus, Shonisaurus, Temnodontosaurus, and Eurhinosaurus... not necessarily in that order

[peak hazel]

I always forget that theres another mr troodon

I came up with the name independently which is funny

[ancient ibex]

Troodon's name being applies to multiple distinct things is par the course tho lol

[feral cedar]

convergent evolution usernames

[peak hazel]

it just rolls well

even if troodon isn't my favourite and hasn't been for a long time

[feral cedar]

If the mods liked fun hadn't disabled nicknames I'd say one of you should rename themselves to Mr. Stenonychosaurus

[peak hazel]

oh so they did

[feral cedar]

something something 'makes moderation easier'

[median relic]

huh

[peak hazel]

don't make me think about it more

[coarse inlet]

Drepanosaurs are what happens if you let Josh from Let's Game It Out design an animal

[left spear]

So

Was the tiny guy the tortlu

?

[hollow furnace]

yep

[coarse inlet]

yeah

[left spear]

Nice

Wait

What if It was actually Titanoboa?

[wary nacelle]

It is

It’s Titanoboa

[peak hazel]

We need gigantophis now

[coarse inlet]

we need Diablophis now

[peak hazel]

Conveniently most of my top 5 dinosaurs are in game
Even if I'm not confident on my top 5

[coarse inlet]

parviraptorids are so weird

we need them

[steep tulip]

True

[coarse inlet]

gecko-snake-monitors

wtf

look at this fucker

and afaik Diablophis was a bigger one, so better for the game

(and it's Morrison)

[short rover]

Woah

That thing is wild

[left spear]

Second oldest squamate iirc

[fiery crow]

I just learned amount Phosphatherium
we should get this silly lil’ guy in the game

[wary nacelle]

ichthyostega for terrariums trust

[gleaming onyx]

Too big😥

[fiery crow]

it definitely isn’t imo

[wary nacelle]

No where near too big imo

[coarse inlet]

it's smaller than Tiktaalik

[quick ore]

Yeah that's literally just Tiktaalik size, plus its reproduction is likely too weird to include in a regular exhibit

[glass snow]

Tiktaalik would have just created mini tiktaaliks I imagine

as that is what sacropterygians do. It is more its locomotion

[plush nacelle]

Ichthyostega is freaky

Basically devonian seal

[glass snow]

glebbis

[tulip umbra]

Petition to add extinct fish to semi aquatic vivariums

Big enough not to be eaten by Tiktaalik preferably

[plush nacelle]

Turtle making in gives me hope PK devs will bring more generic fish while making aquariums and not just throw most popular marine megafauna out there

[tulip umbra]

So far the boundaries are it needs to be capable of both land and water locomotion, as well as freshwater habitat

[glass snow]

yeah one thing I hope is if they make mini aquariums is cohabitation

for them

[quick ore]

I think Hyopsodus would be a great inclusion as a future Cenozoic vivarium species. It belonged to an extinct, Eocene clade of ungulates and had a very interesting mix of features, being a generalist, forest floor-dwelling omnivore with a heightened sense of smell and a rudimentary sense of echolocation similar to that of a shrew. Plus, it basically looked like the ungulate version of a Hyrax. I think it would look adorable and add a lot of variety to vivariums while showcasing an obscure species.

[glass snow]

like you rarely have fish tanks irl with one species of schooling fish

[plush nacelle]

I just want fish

People barely mention them when talking about vivarium aquarium critters

[fiery crow]

well, we don’t really have aquariums yet. there’s very few semi-aquatic fish they could put in right now.

[plush nacelle]

Eh nah

People simply dont know many fish species

[flint sable]

then again wouldnt tiktaalik be more analagous to like

a crocodile

in terms of exhibit design

rather than an actual fish

or "normal" fish

[fiery crow]

Panderichthys I feel would be a bit too similar to Tiktaalik.
Ichthyostega and Acanthostega both were and weren’t fish at the same time.

so really. what could they’ve done.

[flint sable]

they are talking about little schooling fish

as like ambience

minnows

[fiery crow]

ah

[quick ore]

an unordered list of Cenozoic viv species:
-Hyopsodus
-Plesiadapis
-Tiliqua frangens
-Microleo
-Deinogalerix
-Lazarussuchus
-Talpanas
-Xenicibis

[flint sable]

mekosuchus

[fiery crow]

the best part of making speculations is that today’s trailer has more or less made it clear that the devs don’t really give a fuck when it comes to obscurity.

[tulip umbra]

So like Megapiranha, Im sure grandpa wont mind the company

[fiery crow]

Grandpa fucking DIES

[tulip umbra]

Dude when they showed the small turtle, i couldnt believe my eyes that my lil boy actually made the cut

[fiery crow]

well. would he? from everything I’ve read piranhas aren’t naturally aggressive. though I doubt you could say the same about these guys.

[plush nacelle]

Just saw size

Grandpa murders them lmao

[flint sable]

yeah naw grandpa is fucked

well

ingame grandpa or IRL grandpa

ingame grandpa is fucked but IRL grandpa would demolish them

[alpine thicket]

your real life grandfather

not tiktaalik

[flint sable]

iirc the largest tiktaalik specimens were like

3-4m

so

[fiery crow]

when I saw Sahonachelys I legit had to do a double take like
“…what is this?”

[alpine thicket]

mine constantly produces an aura of fish destruction

so he'd be fine

[fiery crow]

in-game TikTaak vs. irl TikTaak

[tulip umbra]

Werent u the one that said u liked his smile?

[quick ore]

Tiktaalik

[tulip umbra]

U alrdy forgot abt him??

[plush nacelle]

Question: Imagine all remaining U19 species are vivariums. What you pick for 4 herbivores and 2 insectivores

[fiery crow]

can you link me to the comment where I said that? lowkey might’ve forgotten about it.

[tulip umbra]

This

[fiery crow]

oh I remember that

[flint sable]

I love vivs but I hope not

seeing as the roadmap ended up being basically right I think we can pretty confidently assume a decent portion of U19's roster

[tulip umbra]

So much “love”… jkjkjk

[fiery crow]

well. NOW that ya brings it up. ah remembas it.

[plush nacelle]

Ye. Half of it at least

[flint sable]

U16 as an example they only added stuff

[fiery crow]

which means Kelenken’s in for sure 🤤

[flint sable]

they didnt remove or change anything

the biggest deviation from the plan has been the combination of U15 and the original U19 into a single update

[fiery crow]

wasn’t the reason for that because of the reception for U14 being really. really good.

[flint sable]

no clue

[flint sable]

but yeah

[hollow furnace]

Kelenken was definitely the most questionable of the guesses - I wouldn’t count of it

[flint sable]

indeed

actually

should we look more into that roadmap again?

[fiery crow]

I think we should

[flint sable]

now that its credence has been sort of "revived"

[plush nacelle]

U16 roster was clearly expanded as part of not doing free roaming minis anymore

[fiery crow]

can you pull it up

[flint sable]

jarvis, pull up the original roadmap

[fiery crow]

I’ll try to decipher what I can

[flint sable]

idk where it lives

[tulip umbra]

The next top unique vivarium wants are prob

Beelzebufo
Anurognathus
Arthropleura
Meganeura
Pulmonoscorpius
Hibbertopterus
Drepanosaurus

[coarse inlet]

My top wants are Dimorphodon, Drepanosaurus, Heterodontosaurus, Dimorphodon, Venetoraptor, Leptictidium, Meganeura, and Dimorphodon

[hollow furnace]

Have at thee

[tulip umbra]

Its already deciphered tho

[flint sable]

relooking at it

just to be sure

[tulip umbra]

I mean if even peltephilus was on

[flint sable]

also important to note: U20 on this one no longer exists

[plush nacelle]

Reminder PK back then was supposed to feature 84 species

[flint sable]

and U19 was already added

[hollow furnace]

Peltephilus was difficult because no one knew what the hell peltephilus was, once we had the name it lined up quite nicely

[short rover]

Yes, much like titanoboa…

[flint sable]

so essentially U19 is what U20

[hollow furnace]

the one we guessed Kelenken for is kinda just an indeterminate smear thats about long enough to be Kelenken

[flint sable]

ye

what were the most solid guesses?

[coarse inlet]

What if it’s Koleken

As a Carno alt

[flint sable]

Pachycephalosaurus correct

[ancient dagger]

Baryonyx, Utahraptor, and Carnotaurus too

[flint sable]

also im fairly confident in Megatherium, Doed, Utahraptor, and Carno

[hollow furnace]

Pachycephalosaurus, Utahraptor, Megatherium, Baryonyx, Mononykus, Compsognathus

[flint sable]

especially Utahraptor and Carno

Utah, Carno, Pachy, and Bary are basically all but confirmed at this point

[tulip umbra]

Saurophaganax doesnt have its own box

[flint sable]

Megatherium is also pretty dang clear, Doed isnt that bad

[ancient dagger]

Unless they throw another curveball and give us Amargasauus or something

[flint sable]

the 2 that are kinda just blurry smears are Kelenken and Edmontonia

correct?

[coarse inlet]

True

[hollow furnace]

Carnotaurus, Diictodon, Simosuchus, Deinosuchus, Ambulocetus, Doedicurus, and Oviraptor were all less confident but still pretty clear

[coarse inlet]

I’m a little skeptical on Ambulocetus

[hollow furnace]

Edmontonia, Peltephilus, and Kelenken were all less confident, with Kelenken basically being more wishful thinking then anything

[coarse inlet]

Can’t see that one working without diving

[flint sable]

hmmmmm ok

good to know

[tulip umbra]

It would make sense if they can get deinosuchus working

[flint sable]

so the total guesses for stuff that hasnt been implemented yet is

[coarse inlet]

Yeah but stuff that swims side to side is way more believable staying at the surface than stuff that swims in and down

[flint sable]

Pretty Clear/Semi Confirmed (either by semi direct confirmation or concept art)

Baryonyx
Carnotaurus
Utahraptor
Pachycephalosaurus

Semi Clear/Probable

Megatherium
Doedicurus
Ambulocetus
Deinosuchus

Pretty unclear/Wishful Thinking

Edmontonia
Kelenken

[plush nacelle]

Any other semi-aquatic mammal ideas?

[coarse inlet]

Many

[flint sable]

didelphodon viv

[hollow furnace]

Castoroides

Bring him back

[ancient dagger]

Basically

[plush nacelle]

Carnivorous beaver

[feral cedar]

ngl knowing that they'll eventually update Titanoboa to be a semiaquatic vivarium animal I think it'd be pretty smart to reuse the land vivarium animation work for a madtsoiid

[coarse inlet]

But Semiaquatic mammals outside of vivariums are harder

[hollow furnace]

Back when we first learned about the semi aquatic mammal we near-unanimously guessed Castoroides for some reason

It was really funny tbh

[coarse inlet]

I think they’ll be able to use both

[hollow furnace]

Even Mau commented on how weird it was

[feral cedar]

Madtsoia itself or Wonambi would be awesome

[plush nacelle]

Eh nah. Definitely ambulocetus

[fiery crow]

You have to keep in mind that - although this is probably a massive reach - what we think is Deinosuchus could actually be Prionosuchus. They have the same second-half name, and I could see someone messing up Deino with Priono when it’s really blurred like that.

[coarse inlet]

It’s confirmed some species can use more than one vivarium type

[tulip umbra]

Castoroides is a pretty underrated pick

[flint sable]

i didnt forget anything right?

[hollow furnace]

probably could work

[tulip umbra]

Titanoboa

[feral cedar]

The difference is Prionosuchus can't really go on land

[coarse inlet]

True

[feral cedar]

The rest of the wetland animals are linked with wetlands and the semiaquatic ones are... semiaquatic

[flint sable]

I wonder what ones will other than Titanoboa

its really the only one that stands out as such

at least to me

[fiery crow]

Indohyus? Could be either Terrestrial or Amphibious.

[coarse inlet]

I remember that something can use terrestrial and arboreal?

[flint sable]

I meant the ones implemented

[coarse inlet]

Compy?

[flint sable]

oh yeah isnt Compy both

you might be right

[feral cedar]

the most obedient dinosaur

[tulip umbra]

Tiktaalik terrestrial

[flint sable]

I could also see Monokyus possibly

[feral cedar]

Tiktaalik using terrestrial vivariums is... cruel

[coarse inlet]

My autocorrect was FIGHTING me

[ancient dagger]

And won lmao

[coarse inlet]

Mononykus semiaquatic

[ancient dagger]

Microraptor semiaquatic

[plush nacelle]

I can see halszkaraptor being one

[hollow furnace]

Also prompt for people, curious if anyone has ideas. Since we might be getting more surprise vivariums, what would be your choices for (1) surprise vivarium animal for update 17, keeping to the combat/hunting theme of the update, and one for update 18, keeping to the theme of that update

[coarse inlet]

Speaking of which why doesn’t Micro eat fish

[plush nacelle]

If implemented

One version for people who like duck idea and second for dune rider

[coarse inlet]

Heterodontosaurus and Didelphodon

[glass snow]

it would just die

[ancient dagger]

U17: Aquilops
U18: Didelphodon

[hollow furnace]

Beez I could see being terrestrial and aquatic

[flint sable]

1. Graciloceratops or a small ornithiscian of some flavour
2. Didelphodon

[glass snow]

Even if lets say it was moist enough and it wasn’t a aquatic fish guy they could not eat on land

[plush nacelle]

Manidens for arboreal and terrestrial

[coarse inlet]

Everyone is saying a small ornithischians and didelphodon lmao

[glass snow]

tiktaalik and early fishopods physically couldn’t eat on land.

[flint sable]

for U17 I also was considering the Horned Gopher since you could essentially just copy everything from Peltephilus except for a model

[tulip umbra]

Beelzebufo for U18 makes too much sense

[flint sable]

really?

[flint sable]

interesting

[glass snow]

They were mostly aquatic

[coarse inlet]

Desert frog?

[flint sable]

ik some fish can even eat on land, someone did a study where they raised birchirs entirely out of water in a really moist environment though and they were able to eat just fine

[hollow furnace]

Personally I like the idea of Repenomamus for a surprise update 17

[glass snow]

the traits which later became used for life on land were orginally adapted for living in shallow water.

[flint sable]

specifically it was for studying how birchirs raised on land moved compared to ones in water

[flint sable]

TRUE

that also fits pretty dang close

ngl

[plush nacelle]

Repenomamus has to be normal critter. There is no fun, if it cant murder taco babies tbh

[flint sable]

TRUE

its definitely big enough, at least giganteus is

[coarse inlet]

Yeah

[hollow furnace]

also true...

[plush nacelle]

Oversize it, if necessary

[feral cedar]

For U17 I'd make Repenomamus a vivarium because that lil guy has the association of Psittacosaurus fossils
For U18 there's a lot ngl, wetlands have so much potential. Beelzebufo, Ichthyostega, Crassigyrinus, Arthropleura... wetlands brings to mind coal swamps and the like after all

[flint sable]

the smaller species would probably be too small though IMO

but giganteus could definitely work as a full one

[coarse inlet]

Heterodontosaurus fighting with tusks would slap

[flint sable]

I would say Repenomamus or a smaller "agressive" ornithiscian both sound pretty likely for U17 based on the theming

U18 could be basically anything

Beelzebufo, Didelphodon, ect

hope its didelphodon though

[coarse inlet]

Actually you know what would be a great surprise pick for U17 as a non vivarium species

Thescelosaurus

[feral cedar]

Thescelosaurus fighting each other with those arm spurs

[steep tulip]

Im all in on kelenken
the fact the post ea thing had no terror bird on it but had gastornis tells me enough

[glass snow]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23660589/

[glass snow]

Paper which includes early tetrapod eating ability

[flint sable]

talk dumb get thumb

[open heron]

It would fit the theme well as Thescelosaurus was a known mortal nemesis of Tyrannosaurus, and the two have been found with remains showing the aftermath of them killing each other in battle many times

[coarse inlet]

Good point

[fiery crow]

what post-EA thing?

[glass snow]

there was a newer one which suggests tiktaalik specifcally could eat on land but it was weird

[coarse inlet]

Wait but unironically the no mixing in vivariums will be an issue if we ever get Rhamphorhynchus and Aspidorhynchus

[glass snow]

Fishapods are weird

[coarse inlet]

They need to murder each other

[glass snow]

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7896305/

[feral cedar]

ngl I will forever hate the way dino fans glaze every ceratopsian but I've seen people say Thescelosaurus too similar to Dryosaurus or some shit

[coarse inlet]

Thescelosaurus rules

Super interesting animal and it looks cool

[open heron]

It's already an issue now because I can't make massive freshwater aquarium tanks with both tiks and dips in them.

[glass snow]

thesc is funny as it is a weird basal ornithoschian

not an ornithopod

[feral cedar]

Thescelosaurus has a weird duck face and a way stockier build, it is NOT too similar to Dryosaurus

[coarse inlet]

It’s been found as either

[feral cedar]

Furthermore it has spurs on the arms which they probably used to fight each other, at least as males

[coarse inlet]

But it’s definitely not THAT far from ornithopods

[coarse inlet]

It’s not similar at all people are just haters on any ornithischian that isn’t one of the big 4 groups

[glass snow]

thesc did not deserve to be cut

[feral cedar]

JWE fans will look at these dudes and dismiss them as too similar but insist we need Corythosaurus with a pompadour (Lambeosaurus)

[glass snow]

it should return in my opinion such a unique animal

[coarse inlet]

I want at least two thescelosaurids in the game

[glass snow]

also another smaller full animal which is nice ignoring the unqiueness of it

[coarse inlet]

Theselosaurus and an orodromine

[feral cedar]

Thescelosaurus full exhibit, Orodromeus vivarium

[coarse inlet]

And fits in mixed enclosures with existing species

[feral cedar]

HOWEVER

[coarse inlet]

Exactly

[feral cedar]

I actually kinda want Thescelosaurus to be able to burrow too

[gleaming onyx]

Fair but wasn't it marine? Or am I tripping

[feral cedar]

A recent-ish paper said there was some evidence of that I think

[coarse inlet]

It probably didn’t burrow

[hollow furnace]

they probably weren't burrowing

[glass snow]

it probably wasn’t burrowing

[feral cedar]

You probably didn't burrow

[coarse inlet]

Might’ve had burrowing ancestors though

[glass snow]

It’s relatives possibly did

[hollow furnace]

thescalosaurids are probably ancestral burrowers, so its brain reflects that

[glass snow]

yeah and it is possibly descended from burrowers

[coarse inlet]

I’ve seen people suggest it repurposed the burrowing adaptations for wrasslin

Leptoceratops is a burrower though and I like to imagine Thescelosaurus squatted in their burrows from time to time and felt a strange sense of belonging

[feral cedar]

Could PK ever feature non-vivarium burrowing behavior?

[hollow furnace]

probably not

[feral cedar]

😔

[coarse inlet]

It’d be more trouble than it’s worth I imagine

[feral cedar]

True

[coarse inlet]

Though if something like Lepto is added I could see a burrow enrichment item

[feral cedar]

I personally find it more likely that Thescelosaurus had some fossorial behavior (thescelosaurids had it pretty widespread iirc) but I would definitely understand if PK devs forewent this for ease of implementation

[coarse inlet]

It may have made dens like a lot of mostly non fossorial mammals

But it wasn’t tunneling like Orodromines were

[feral cedar]

OH

okay now see that's different cause like

wow I'm an idiot

Yeah having cute little dens is what I was thinking off for Thesc

[hollow furnace]

How big is Oryctodromeus

Like, Taco sized, right?

[feral cedar]

Thescelosaurus didn't have tunneling, I picture it more like digging out dens

[coarse inlet]

A bit bigger

[feral cedar]

According to Wikipedia Oryctodromeus was 2.1m

[coarse inlet]

Orodromeus was smaller

[hollow furnace]

mmm, probably too big to look good in the vivarium then

[hollow furnace]

Oro might work though

[feral cedar]

Funny you post that cause Wikipedia claims Orodromeus was somewhere around 2.5m

So equally as big as the Parskosaurus there

[coarse inlet]

That’s a really old estimate

80s I think

[feral cedar]

Let me check the sources

Its length was estimated by Horner & Weishampel at 2.5 metres.
Sourced from a study in 1988

Okay now let me check the source for the size chart

It's from a 1999 osteological study on Orodromeus

...huh

You know, never understood why Wikipedia says Orodromeus is 2.5m long in the description section but then posts a size chart that shows it a bit over 1.5m

[ancient ibex]

Orodromeus AFAIR is still not fully described

[feral cedar]

Crazy to think how much difference just one meter in length makes, huh?

1.5m and 2.5m

Oh well, since the smaller size is sourced from a more recent study I suppose it can't hurt for Orodromeus to be a vivarium burrower critter

[coarse inlet]

Koreanosaurus is also cool

Possible quadruped

[feral cedar]

Thescelosaurus could then be a full exhibit... with maybe a den-like burrow enrichment item?

[ancient dagger]

So now that I can freely talk about Mononykus and the vivarium cat's out of the bag, here's my Vivarium wishlist by the time Post-EA is done. To make things manageable, 15 for each vivarium type MAXIMUM.

Arboreal
Anchiornis
Anurognathus
Archaeopteryx (U16)
Coelurosauravus
Confuciusornis
Darwinius
Drepanosaurus
Jeholornis
Longisquama
Meganeura
Microraptor (U16)
Necromantis
Passenger Pigeon
Suminia
Yi Qi (U16)

Semiaquatic
Anomalocaris
Beelzebufo
Castrocauda
Cephalaspis
Dakosaurus
Didelphodon
Diplocaulus (U16)
Golden Toad
Icthyostega
Indohyus
Isotelus
Mesosaurus
Sahonachelys (U16)
Tiktaalik (U16)
Tulimonstrum

Terrestrial
Aquilops
Arthropleura
Compsognathus (U16)
Diictodon (U16)
Leptictidium
Lystrosaurus
Madtsoia
Megarachne
Mononykus (U16)
Orodromeus
Peltephilus (U16)
Pulmonoscorpius
Simosuchus (U16)
Thrinaxodon
Titanoboa (U16)

[feral cedar]

There's a difference between saying Thescelosaurus could've excavated a den for protection (what I want) vs. it having tunnels like a damn meerkat (wtf no)

I personally think shelter-oriented dens are very likely for Thescelosaurus seeing as it's the descendant from fossorial dinosaurs

[feral cedar]

Dakosaurus deserves to be a full exhibit animal if BM ever does marine reptiles

[ancient dagger]

Yeah I was pondering if Dako could be full exhibit or vivarium

[feral cedar]

That's where it can get a bit finnicky

[ancient dagger]

I underestimated how big Dakosaurus was

If not Dakosaurus, I was thinking Stethacanthus

[coarse inlet]

Dako is ectothermic but still big enough that the big vivarium seems too small

[feral cedar]

fully aquatic animals in large bodies of water are vivarium bound the same way terrestrials are; that is to say the only real limit is funky locomotion or size

Dakosaurus has no funky locomotion, it just swimmy swim swims. And it's not small by any means

[coarse inlet]

Assuming we ever get aquatics

[feral cedar]

Yeah

I think if we ever get aquatics the best approach is to stick to the three -saurs

plesiosaurs, ichthyosaurs, and mosasaurs

proper representation of these three clades can yield an impressive aquatic roster

[peak hazel]

I think opthalmosaurus is what people usually think of when they think ichthyosaur

even if not by name

[feral cedar]

elasmosaurids (fish-eating elasmosaurines, filter-feeding aristonectines), pliosaurids, polycotylids, and of course Plesiosaurus itself would be awesome plesiosaur rep

[coarse inlet]

Rhomaleosaurids

Leptocleidids

[feral cedar]

oh right those guys

[peak hazel]

you get Cymbospondylus, Shonisaurus, Opthalmosaurus and thats basically the 3 main ones done
even if thats NOT enough

[coarse inlet]

Ichthyosaurus

[feral cedar]

ngl ichthyosaurs are very underrated and underrepresented

[glass snow]

icthyosaur rep would be nice

so many options

[coarse inlet]

look I want at least 4 mosasaurs, 6 ichthyosaurs and 10 plesiosaurs before I'm happy

[feral cedar]

Ichthyosaurus itself first and foremost. Remarkably complete fucker and deceptively popular, it's one of the Crystal Palace sculptures for crying out loud

[coarse inlet]

erll

[peak hazel]

as I said earlier

[coarse inlet]

it's Temnodontosaurus

[peak hazel]

evil and vile animals

but they're really cool

[feral cedar]

oh

[glass snow]

eurhino and temno peak

[coarse inlet]

the one at Crystal Palace is Temno, they were just lumping everything into Icthyosaurus back then

[feral cedar]

Ichthyosaurus
Ophthalmosaurus
Temnodontosaurus
Shonisaurus
Eurhinosaurus
Cymbospondylus
Mixosaurus (vivarium)

[glass snow]

peak rosters

[coarse inlet]

yeah I'd be satisfied with that

[peak hazel]

EURHINOSAURUS MENTIONED

yeah I think that gets the point across

theres some other guys like Thalattoarchon and the cretaceous icthyosaurs as well
but thats a very solid roster

[coarse inlet]

for Plesiosaurs I'd say
Plesiosaurus
Elasmosaurus
Umoonasaurus
Liopleurodon
Rhomaleosaurus
Dolichorhynchops
Aristonectes
Kronosaurus
Abyssosaurus
Zarafasaura

For mosasaurs
Mosasaurus
Tylosaurus
Pannoniasaurus
Megapterygius
Clidastes

[peak hazel]

would it not make more sense to have a broader sauropterigia

[feral cedar]

Personally I think Cretaceous ichthyosaurs are… eh

[coarse inlet]

true

[peak hazel]

they're understudied from what I know

[coarse inlet]

but there's so many plesiosaurs I want lol

[feral cedar]

I mean do we need them beyond Cretaceous ichthyosaurs

[glass snow]

that is a good roster

for mosa phosphor would be nice

ploto too

[peak hazel]

despite the fact vro leeches off the ichthyosaurs I think plotosaurus would make sense

[ancient dagger]

Could Tylosaurus work as an alt genus for Mosasaurus?

[coarse inlet]

Placodus, Nothosaurus, and Helveticosaurus for full species and Henodus and Lariosaurus for vivs

[feral cedar]

No plioplatecarpines?

[coarse inlet]

No

[ancient dagger]

I know they're in different branches of the Mosasaur family tree

[coarse inlet]

not closely related

very different shape

[coarse inlet]

Oh right

[feral cedar]

I honestly think people exaggerate the similarities between mosa and tylo

[ancient dagger]

Probably Pliosaurus with Kronosaurus as an alt genus

[coarse inlet]

Gavialamimis for those

[coarse inlet]

Nah, Kronosaurs with Sachicasaurus and Monqirasaurus as alts

[ancient dagger]

Pliosaurus is a better mine for alt species

[peak hazel]

they evolved the large mosasaur body plan separately

that alone means them being alts wouldn't make any sense

[coarse inlet]

and did it in a different enough way that an alt wouldnt work

[ancient dagger]

One skin for the type species, one for Funkei/"Predator X", one for Kronosaurus

[ancient dagger]

Fair enough

[coarse inlet]

Pliosaurus is dfferentlly built

P. funkei is also different proportions than most pliosaurs

real big flippers

so probably would need different animations

the Kronosaurus complex is more of a "clasic" huge pliosaur

[peak hazel]

also a better name

[coarse inlet]

and the south american ones were very robust

[feral cedar]

I can’t find a good picture comparing them but I swear mosa and tylo are pretty different

[ancient dagger]

Would it make more sense to have marine reptiles as their own DLC and if they do fish/marine mammals, have that be its own thing?

[peak hazel]

I remember prognathodon looking fairly distinct

[coarse inlet]

they are. Tylo is much more slender and has a very different head

[peak hazel]

I also have a Mario Lanzas marine reptile poster and he has mosa and tylo looking quite different

[feral cedar]

https://x.com/SerpenIllus/status/1291036250263166976

Gabriel N. U. (@SerpenIllus)

That time when lizards took to the sea and became HUGE. Mosasaurs are a group of lizards that became fully aquatic during the Cretaceous. Here you see three genera: Prognathodon (left), Tylosaurus (middle) and the HUGE Mosasaurus (right). #paleoart #sciart #mosasaurs

X · Aug 5, 2020, 3:40 PM

[coarse inlet]

Mosa is way bulkier

[fiery gorge]

One word, baryonyx.

[coarse inlet]

we know it's coming

[peak hazel]

Yeah that definitely gets the point across

[feral cedar]

Mosa and tylo being alts is like making rex and giga alts

[coarse inlet]

yeah they're quite different

[peak hazel]

mosa and tylo are more related then giganoto and rex

but yeah

maybe prognathodon as a mosasaur alt

[coarse inlet]

true

[peak hazel]

I don't know where prognathodon fits though

[coarse inlet]

HOnestly I'd prefer just using the different species in those genera

they're pretty diverse

[peak hazel]

yeah true

[steep carbon]

Is..Mau trying to hit 100 species by release? the finale number of animals just keeps going up. I admit that it would be a very impactful thing to see in the release trailer, but that's also a lot more work.

[ancient dagger]

I'm thinking the extra 6 on the last update might be vivarium animals

[left spear]

Prog doesn't really fit

Completely different niche and diet

Nvm is was thinking of Globidens, prog defenetly fits as a mosa alt lol

[proper raven]

pls no

[vernal maple]

Just do one of the other Mosasaurus species

[steep crane]

Question.

Would Placodus qualify for a vivarium?

[tulip umbra]

Locomotion yes, if they dont add aquatic update
Ontogeny no, its fine
Size maybe, its quite big

Main issue rn is environment

Vivaria are so far exclusively fresh water

[steep crane]

Was it even capable of hauling out?

I’ve heard debate

Since Notho is now believed to be incapable.

[tulip umbra]

I dont think its implausible

Looks a lot like a marine iguana after all

[steep crane]

Its skeletal structure seems….odd in terms of chest.

Not sure if it’s got the right anatomy.

[tulip umbra]

I highly doubt its very active on land, but it might have been capable of hauling itself on land

[steep crane]

If it can haul out that would make it full habitat.

If and when a marine update is announced.

[tulip umbra]

Is this vivarium for pterosaurs?

[steep crane]

Now that I think of it would Pulmonoscorpius qualify for an aboreal Vivarium?

Or would it spend more time on the ground?

[shell sonnet]

terresterial

it could burrow

[fiery crow]

it’s weird to think Placodus and Henodus were both placodonts. they don’t look alike in the slightest.

[steep crane]

Ikr?

[fiery crow]

if we got Titanoboa, what other animals from the Cerréjon Formation could we get?

[flint sable]

theres no mammals from there

[shell sonnet]

I'll be honest, I could live without anything else from there

[flint sable]

the next most famous critter known from the locale is Carbonemys

but there are better turtles to add IMO

even from South America

[flint sable]

Meiolania my goat

[shell sonnet]

Given that viviarium animals can't be mixed any way, shared formations aren't as important for them

[fiery crow]

Wouldn’t Carbonemys work better as a full habitat animal, though?

[shell sonnet]

Yes, but what is it going to mix with?

[fiery crow]

I… don’t think it has to?

[fiery crow]

What’s your point?

[shell sonnet]

That the game rewards mixing enclosures with animals from the same formation and that I like to have formations filled out so I can have like 5 or more habitat animals from one place for exhibit and zoo building as opposed to just grabbing one animal because it has a famous neighbor?

[glacial pine]

Here’s my list of dinosaurs I would love to see in game:

Carnivores:

• Cryolophosaurus
• Concavenator
• Gorgosaurus
• Giganotosaurus
• Tianyuraptor
• Austroraptor
• Imperobator
• Nanuqsarus
• Saurophanganax
• Carnotaurus
• Ceratosaurus
• Bahariasaurus
• Zhuchengtyrannus

Herbivores:

• Brachytrachelopan
• Oblitosaurus
• Antarctopelta
• Diabloceratops
• Kosmoceratopa
• Amazonsaurus
• Bruhathkayosaurus
• Saichania

Cenozoic:

• Entelodon
• Deinotherium
• Dodo
• Eurohippus
• Thylacoleo
• Thylacosmilus

Vivarium:

• Styginetta
• Eoraptor
• Epidexipteryx

[cosmic cosmos]

saurophaganax isnt real

[glacial pine]

It’s not?

I’m pretty sure it is

[hollow furnace]

we're getting Saurophaganax as well

[shell sonnet]

The species is

[hollow furnace]

update 17

[shell sonnet]

But the genera is dead

[cosmic cosmos]

its allosaurus anax now

[glacial pine]

Oh I have no clue lol

[steep crane]

I just realized something.

Since Pterodactylus antiquus was a beachcomber and not a forest animal, wouldn’t it be in terrestrial? And not in arboreal?

All the other potential vivarium pterosaurs on my list, Anurognathus, Dimorphodon, Darwinopterus & Caviramus are all forest-inhabitants.

But not Pterodactylus.

[gleaming onyx]

You included 0 synapsids. Top 10 for this game are synapsids for me

https://tenor.com/view/cotylorhynchus-my-beloved-beloved-dinosaur-reptile-gif-22077496

[coarse inlet]

I thought Notho could but it couldnt walk

[gleaming onyx]

PLACODUS MENTION

one of my all time favorites 100%

[gleaming onyx]

Same as grandpa. Def possible

[coarse inlet]

Placodus feels like a full habitat species to me

because it's the biggest placodont and there's stuff I'd want it to cohabitate with

[gleaming onyx]

Definitely

[steep crane]

Iirc it’s wrist structure prevented it.

[coarse inlet]

That keeps it from walking, but not from scooting

[steep crane]

Oh?

Explain.

[coarse inlet]

ribcage and mass are the main things keeping something from going on land at all, wrists aren't gonna stop it from scooching along if it can support its body

[steep crane]

Could it scoot like a turtle?

[coarse inlet]

that's my thought

I dont think it's tested but I dont see why not

[coarse inlet]

yeah

or even semiaquatic if you stretch it

[steep tulip]

Placodus mentioned

[shell sonnet]

I'd say put in the semi-aquatic tank and hope they add a beach variant

[low bridge]

Will Ceratogaulus Fit in Peakiest Kingdom??

Horned Gopher

[thorny parrot]

Forgot that this channel exists.
Globidens would be cool to have once we get marine reptiles.
Mosasaur that's specialized to crush shells

[thorny parrot]

Bad poll. There needs to be a option for all of them 😝

[desert flame]

Currently, there are only flying creatures in the arboreal vivarium, but I hope that non-flying animals will be added in the future.

[smoky geyser]

Eretmorhipis would be a perfect fully aquatic viviarium animal and help rep the triassic

[glacial pine]

I 100% agree with this

We need that

[lone heart]

For Cenozoic representation, I would go for:

• Eomellivora wimani
• Kelenken guillermoi
• Protoceras celer
• Bramatherium perimense
• Aepycamelus giraffinus
• Machairodus aphanistus (or lahayishupup)
• Barbourofelis fricki
• Thylacoleo carnifex (or Wakaleo)
• Diprotodon optatum
• Paleoparadoxia tabatai

And for vivariums:

• Deinogalerix koenigswaldi
• Microleo attenboroughi
• Leptictidium auderiense
• Anagale

[smoky geyser]

Oh yeah also-

https://tenor.com/view/anomalocaris-gif-17898921507309325661

[glacial pine]

We need more bird love in this game so I think Styginetta would be great for vivariums

[feral cedar]

I would suggest to change Leptictidium's species to Leptictidium tobieni since that's the largest one

[desert flame]

I think Eohippus is vivarium animal.

[feral cedar]

Ever since I learnt Eohippus was 30 cm at the shoulder I realized it would be too tiny for full exhibit