Community Species Suggestions

[ancient ibex]

Smol ornithopods are neat to have

Hoping for Hypsilophodon to eventually make it

[left spear]

Give me Kullindra 🙏

[shell sonnet]

Carcha is there because it was neighbors with Spino. Otherwise, no one would really ask for it.

[left spear]

Yeah It would have probably been giga then

Maybe It would have been a giga alt but not really sure about that

[ancient ibex]

I'm sure

[shell sonnet]

I thought we had some post-cranial material as well

[tulip umbra]

If there was one fragmentary animal that will guaranteed make it in solely because of name it will be Theri for sure

[left spear]

Troodon sp

[ancient ibex]

Mmm, a cervical vertebrae it is; the postcrania went to Tameryraptor, which is the specimen that got Carcha as a genus erected...

(and which is ending up as saharicus' sister species in every analysis but the one that erected Tameryraptor)

[shell sonnet]

Where did iguidensis fit into those tests?

[ancient ibex]

iguidensis is never saharicus' sister species

Giganotosaurini is always closer to saharicus than iguidensis, or they form a trichotomy

iguidensis is also...

[shell sonnet]

Like that's stopped anyone

[ancient ibex]

And seeing how the other carcharodontosaur from Niger Sereno and Brusatte described those years went...

[peak hazel]

concerning

[eager thunder]

What would be the best Neogene animal to add

I’d like to have more than one species in my Neogene specific section

Terror birds would be cool

That and i think those are being considered

Maybe I could just do a large Cenozoic habitat

[open heron]

How would we know all the bones belong to the same animal in a case like this?

[tranquil zenith]

Another great neogene animal would be Megatherium - giant ground sloth 💖

[eager thunder]

Oooooh

Yeeeesss

That would make for some neat exhibition

And with terror birds that gives the Neogene part of the zoo at least 3 animals

[tranquil zenith]

Theres some funky deer, elephants, and horses from neogene too! Some hyenadon type bone crushing predators too. Lots of cool creatures and i agree we need some more neogene and other pre ice age animals!
Unrelated: i really really want to see troodon or dromaeosaurus or any other arctic dinosaurs really i think theyre so cool. Nanuqsaurus. Complete my polar zoo.

[eager thunder]

Oh is that where Hyeanadon comes from?

Well considering those were in the beta that oughta be a shoe in

Wait

No that’s a Eocene

[tranquil zenith]

Whoops

Id take more eocene creatures too tho

[eager thunder]

Yeah I think there’s also only one of them

Or 1 genus and 3 different species

Dinocrocuta would be really cool Neogene stuff

Ooh and Discokeryx

For some more headbut action

[tranquil zenith]

Yesssss those are both awesome

[eager thunder]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS7oSJ1bLQfLGdHLunBsu5bKwoMj1zw7IyobNyc5OhPL7K8g2TKe9xq5_ECy6pZLfVTEDsCZ1p65S5aTQtMN0B3F5N02oyfeBcfBQHRfV6ywA&s=10 not a Neogene but Prolibytherium is also one of my personal hopes

[hexed pecan]

meiolania, cool big stem-turtle that i would totally name bowser ingame (maybe small/big enough to fit into the largest vivarium? if not, it as a non-vivarium species would be cool)

[past mist]

the New Caledonian species could fit as a vivarium animal probably but some of the other species would definitely be regular habitat animals

[ancient ibex]

Once again, Meiolania, Megalochelys, Stupendemys and Archelon gogogo

[feral cedar]

The ???, the tortoise, the river turtle, and the sea turtle!

[left spear]

The trt

[desert flame]

I would like to have small placodont species as vivarium animals.

[shell sonnet]

Yeah one would be nice, preferably Psephoderma or Henodus. Placodus is probably big enough for a full habitat but it also came on to land quite a bit.

[buoyant zenith]

You know what I would be excited for? Making little aquariums that are like tide pools.

This would be best shown for something that was a shallow sea.

[tulip umbra]

My updated and improved list of turtles and similar animals.

Devs make it happen

[tulip umbra]

Who even is Speed?

[left spear]

A mediocre streamer

Alternatively the thing you use to calculate acceleration

[peak hazel]

I have never watched any of his content but I like using that gif

[glass urchin]

He used to be better

[limber needle]

the ishowmeat incident changed him for the worse (from a content standpoint)

[low bridge]

ishowpork hit more than ishowmeat

[limber needle]

https://tenor.com/view/red-mist-gif-15062702965775478000

im trying to forget

[median glen]

Is a small semiaquatic mammal and it's coming for update 16

Who I'm talking about

?

[eager thunder]

Grandpa?

[quick ore]

mammal

[eager thunder]

._ .

[river perch]

Grandpa can be mammal too

[eager thunder]

Grandpa was a furry??

[alpine thicket]

someone, someday, will draw paleoart like this and think it is accurate because tiktaalik is ancestral to all mammals
probably not but jeez some of the stuff you see

[plucky mantle]

Unironically I think Meiolania is one of my most wanted animals. Perfect size for a low-rating Cenozoic, incredibly unique group of turtles, plus you could realistically give it alt species that would be unique enough from one another to justify their inclusion

Plus we don't really have any 'small slow guy' type creatures yet. Closest thing is Scelido but he's pretty fast

[fiery crow]

I’d add Odontochelys and Kayentachelys too, but really good list overall

[tulip umbra]

Not too sure on Odontochelys, it feels a little to close to marine iguanas? Idk, its kinda the same reason i excluded Placodus. Kayentachelys doesnt look like it brings much in terms of visual uniqueness.

There was also Mesodermochelys (a mesozoic bigger relative of the modern leatherback) and Caninemys (lived along Stupendemy, smaller with dog like face). But they lacked suitable paleoart unfortunately.

[fiery crow]

I mostly included Odontochelys because of how important it is when it comes to turtle evolution.

[tulip umbra]

I might add it, im making the list mostly on visuals as you can probably tell.

[fiery crow]

the only really notable thing about Kayentachelys is that it’s from the Kayenta Formation.

[tulip umbra]

Thinking of the next group i want to make a visual list for, leaning towards Giraffids and Antelope / gazelle type animals

So feel free to suggest animals like Procranioceras and Syntetoceras as the wiki on finding them and their family trees etc is terrible

[fiery crow]

not sure if you’ve done crocodillians/alligators/gharials/crocodile-like species yet.

[tulip umbra]

Not yet, the turtles was the first one i did. I fear the crocodylomorphs and co cuz of how insanely big the list would be

[fiery crow]

oh for sure

[tulip umbra]

Also the differing size estimations for deino, purru and sarco is gonna be a headache

[grand thunder]

What if there was an ambulocetus petting zoo where small children can go and get their hands bitten off

[fiery crow]

• Climacocerras
• Decennatherium
• Discokeryx
• Giraffokeryx
• Hippotragus leucophaeus
• Megalotragus
• Merriamoceras
• Palaeomeryx
• Palaeotragus
• Procranioceras
• Prolibytherium
• Sivatherium
• Syndyoceras
• Synthetoceras
• Tetrameryx
• Tyrrhenotragus

[low bridge]

Where is Climacoceras, Merriamoceras, Syndyoceras

?

[tulip umbra]

Much appreciated the list is already growing exponentially…

Here i thought it was gonna be similar if not smaller than turtles and co

[gleaming onyx]

Your dream came true!!!🤙

I LOVE THIS MAN SO MUCH BEST THERIZINOSAUR

[eager thunder]

Mau alt account

[sharp dock]

the

[low bridge]

Big Boy

[limber needle]

Eared gorgonopsids

They are the start of this, it will gradually go back until haikouicthys has mammal features.

[fiery crow]

is this uhhh
Stumpendemys

[plush nacelle]

Peltocephalus

[fiery crow]

ah

[limber needle]

On that note, inostrancevia would be cool

[slim flare]

Those are some weird lips

[sharp dock]

labios de mamadora luxury

[left spear]

AD might vaporize you

[alpine thicket]

that ino is way too mammal

Probably didn't have fur, didn't have that kind of nose, definitely didn't have those kinds of lips

[sharp dock]

oh thats not-

[peak hazel]

From what I know there were creatures with fur in the late permian

Don't know if that means the gorgonopsids did though

[glass snow]

the fur might have not been fur though.

also if it is fur who knows what it came from

gorgonopsids probably didn’t as far as I know

they definitely didn’t have wet noses and mammalian lips. Because lips like that came after you know suckling I think I could be wrong. Not the best with mammals.

but gorgons like Ino were probably to basal to have fur.

or at least be covered in it

[glass snow]

Nobody: Serina’s tribbets

if this was 2010s paleo tumblr I would imagine someone would have made smth like that

feathered plesiosaurs

This will be PK in 2014

[fiery crow]

objectively. anybody who says synapsids didn’t have fur is the living equivalent of a nerd emoji.

like. how can you be THIS confidently incorrect?

[mint creek]

She said probably didn't have fur

[fiery crow]

notice the “probably”.

[mint creek]

Saying probably indicates not 100% confidence, I don't understand your comment on how she's confidently incorrect

[fiery crow]

it still means she’s confident, even if not 100%.

[mint creek]

But you're acting like this is some exceptionally absurd claim.

"like. how can you be THIS confidently incorrect?"

You seem shocked despite her making an incredibly reasonable comment.

I don't understand your indignation about this

[fiery crow]

except it ISN’T reasonable, because there is so much proof that synapsids did have fur.

[mint creek]

Then why not provide that proof and help inform others instead of trying to present someone as ignorant/stupid?

It's quite rude

[fiery crow]

I shouldn’t have to provide proof, because people can look it up themselves.

[mint creek]

You also don't need to make belittling comments but you chose too

[shell sonnet]

We have found pre-mammalian hair like structures in coprolite from the Late Permian Russia. It's not unlikely that some Therapsids had whisker like structures at the least back then https://www.scup.com/doi/10.1111/let.12156

[fiery crow]

Thank you.

[hollow furnace]

Assuming those are hairs and not the alternative explanation of insect fibres

[shell sonnet]

That doesn't mean Inostrancevia was hairy

[fiery crow]

It still means it may have had at least some fur.

[steep tulip]

May or may not
Wouldn't necessarily mind an hairy version

But they tend to look uncanny

Depends how you do them

[glass snow]

yeah they could have been insect fibres

[mint creek]

So "probably didn't have fur" is still a reasonable take.

[fiery crow]

I’ve been validated to an extent. That’s all that matters to me.

[mint creek]

You haven't

The entire point I was making is that you were unnecessarily rude, incase that went over your head

[tough marsh]

Actually a 2025 study seem to indicate that fur evolved in the triassic

[steep tulip]

Unfortunately we don't have much impressions from these guys, but dycinodonts seem to have been furless and gorgonops aren't that far away from them

[steep tulip]

Oh really?

[shell sonnet]

Fur or hair in general?

[steep tulip]

Do you have a link to the paper?

[glass snow]

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/362149921_Inner_ear_biomechanics_reveals_a_Late_Triassic_origin_for_mammalian_endothermy

[tough marsh]

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-paleontology/article/150-years-of-synapsid-paleoneurology-the-origins-of-the-mammalian-brain-behavior-sense-organs-and-physiology/500B0F6CD3E934B1B9D29D5EBF2B1C83

[steep tulip]

Thanks

[glass snow]

there are multiple recent papers btw

which suggests a late triassic origin of fur

[fiery crow]

What does fq stand for?

[glass snow]

which is funny as that would possibly mean that dinosaurs and their clade had filaments before synapsids.

[shell sonnet]

It would also mean that Thrixandon can't be our fuzzy Triassic critter

[glass snow]

stuff like thrinaxodon possibly or at this point even probably weren’t fuzzy at all

[steep tulip]

💀

[fiery crow]

So… Megazostrodon or Morganucodon might be the “fuzzy Triassic critter”, then.

[hollow furnace]

The frequency (Fq) of the presence of a parietal foramen is given for each clade in %.

[hollow furnace]

Assuming devs know or care

[mint creek]

Time to start speculating from the ground up again

[steep tulip]

Tbh these are pretty recent papers

Idk if they had any weight on their decision

[hollow furnace]

If everyone guessing Thrix didn't know I wouldn't count on the devs knowing

[fiery crow]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-gta-sa-cj-gta-again-gif-20425950

[steep tulip]

They do have consultants but like
Doubt they know everything as well

[shell sonnet]

Well they know now, they'll have to push back U16 a few more months

[mint creek]

an acceptable time span to give Thrix a shave

[hollow furnace]

There also are potential therocephalian trace fossils with scales

[glass snow]

Foul beastys

[hollow furnace]

Indeed

unfortunate, but necessary

[glass snow]

nah pk has fuzzy pachyrhino

[shell sonnet]

No, that one is based on scientific fact. I've seen one myself

[steep tulip]

These fellas weren't pretty I fear

[fiery crow]

nah I think they’re cute

[hollow furnace]

Permian and beginning of the Early Triassic was the worst time in Earth's history in terms of how attractive animals were

[glass snow]

I mean for what they dealt with it makes sense

[shell sonnet]

Ah... you're a Cotylor hater like Mau the foul

[fiery crow]

hey the smaller dicynodonts were silly lil guys

[mint creek]

Horrifying, there's two Coty haters now

[glass snow]

No Coty was the exception. The pinnacle of herbivorous tetrapods. We have not seen a more peak one since.

[hollow furnace]

I mean, at least the early permian stuff had the decency to look mostly like reptiles, even if they weren't

It's the late permian when they all turn into Temu not-mammals

[shell sonnet]

Backtracking are we? You too shall be shunned.

[mint creek]

Anyone you know could be a Coty hater behind closed door. Stay vigilant.

[glass snow]

I wasn’t the one hating on coty I was specifically talking about late permian creatures

[shell sonnet]

Don't gaslight us.

[fiery crow]

HE COULD BE ME
HE COULD BE YOU
HE COULD EVEN BE RIGHT BEHIND YOU

[glass snow]

though diictodon is cute sadly they got him.

[steep tulip]

Thousands crave for the reptile mole rat

[shell sonnet]

That looks like some David Peters work

[tough marsh]

the skeleton is too good

[fiery crow]

I think it’s almost complete actually. one of the most complete I’ve seen.

[shell sonnet]

More seriously, does this mean that Cynognathus is.... naked.

[fiery crow]

Not as complete as Oxalaia, though.

[tough marsh]

probably

[glass snow]

yeah most likely

at least from what we know currently

[shell sonnet]

I grew up with this.

My childhood is ruined

[fiery crow]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-goodgrief-naked-plankton-gif-18490524

WAIT
CYNOGNATHUS COULD BE THE FUZZY TRIASSIC CRITTER

[glass snow]

whats funnier is with the current data mammal ancestors were naked for longer than bird ancestors were.

[fiery crow]

unless it was too big

[shell sonnet]

It's big enough for the regular habitats

[glass snow]

Cynognathus possibly has evidence of whiskers or some sensory structures near the face though

though this is debated

[shell sonnet]

Is there a paper for that?

[glass snow]

most of them are older but I remember a recent one debating that idea due to them being not structurally similar to whiskers in mammals but I could be making stuff up so I will look

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10914-019-09467-8

more recentish 2020 one on how whiskers evolved later

in more dervived guys

[fiery crow]

I’ll make my own Prehistoric Kingdom… with LEPIDOTES and COTYLORYNCHUS!

[hollow furnace]

I hate rhynchosaurs

These look way too mammalian for an animal that was probably scaled like a lizard or crocodile

[glass snow]

when I was younger I thought they were stem mammals but no weird reptiles

[shell sonnet]

You are a plethora of bad takes today

[glass snow]

they are goofy though

like they are silly

[hollow furnace]

They feel like they should be some Permian stem mammal

[fiery crow]

Would Hyperodapedon work as a vivie?

[hollow furnace]

Yeah

Wait, archosauromorph, fuzzy Triassic

Hyperodapedon for update 16???

[fiery crow]

was Hyperodapedon fuzzy though? that’s thine thing

[hollow furnace]

No

Unless you go with the wrong hypothesis archosaurs were ancestrally feathered

[glass snow]

if we use 2010s paleo tumblr powers it will be.

What if the Fuzzy Triassic Guy was Scleromochlus or a Lagerpetid.

or a full on flying pterosaur

[hollow furnace]

Would be really fun

I doubt full on pterosaur though

[fiery crow]

Peteinosaurus?

[hollow furnace]

As awesome as that would be

[glass snow]

but a basal pterosauromorph…..

[shell sonnet]

Isn't that just a Lagerpetid

[tulip umbra]

Out of all the small 4 legged mammaliaformes, synapsids, lizards (rodent like animals), i want Hyperodapedon the most. But it should be scaly for sure.

[shell sonnet]

It'll work for the upcoming Ischigualasto pack

[fiery crow]

how do we know this?

[shell sonnet]

I will "will it" into being

[tulip umbra]

Hes watching…

[fiery crow]

lowkey hoping they do DLC packs based off of formations/time periods instead of different biomes and continents like in Planet Zpo

[tulip umbra]

Time periods sure, but formations nah

[fiery crow]

Burgess Shale DLC where Anomalocaris is the only viable one

[fiery crow]

EXTREMELY agreeing to disagree with this one.

[tulip umbra]

U gave the reason urself…

[limber needle]

Deeeeefinetly not the hundreds of other sprawling reptiles

[hollow furnace]

Yes, definitely not

[plush nacelle]

Same. Formation packs are the best for smaller packs we are most certainly going to get

[fiery crow]

they could honestly make pretty big packs if they do something like the remaining species from the Morrison Formation or Ghost Ranch.

DEVS! GIVE US DAEMONOSAURUS AND MY LIFE WIIL BE YOURS!

[fiery crow]

hey heyyyy… I’ll add two more… Acadoparadoxides and Omnidens

[tulip umbra]

Bro Acadoparadoxides needs to be disqualified just for its name alone lol

Some ppl already struggle with saying normal dinosaur names like Parasaurolophus, imagine that thing

Isotelus rex though, devs pls

[fiery crow]

Ordovician pack:

• Aegirocassis
• Cameroceras
• Endoceras
• Megalograptus
• Isotelus rex (vivie)

…either there’s some that I’m missing or there really aren’t many viable Ordovician species that aren’t too small

[eager thunder]

I think I’d want a Permian pack before a Ordovician pack

[fiery crow]

a Permian pack would be huge. just a Texas Red Beds pack alone would sell for me.

[eager thunder]

All I want for Christmas is a Coty and a dime

https://tenor.com/view/cotylorhynchus-my-beloved-beloved-dinosaur-reptile-gif-22077496

[fiery crow]

Texas Red Beds pack:

• Cotylorhynchus
• Diadectes
• Dimetrodon
• Edaphosaurus
• Eryops
• Ophiacodon
• Diplocaulus (vivie)
• Platyhystrix (vivie)
• Secodontosaurus (vivie)
• Seymouria (vivie)
• Xenacanthus (vivie)

there’s probably a few I’m missing

[eager thunder]

The synapsid hoards

[tulip umbra]

Theres prob a lot of synapsids missing still

[fiery crow]

for a second I got confused and thought Suminia was from the Texas Red Beds

it doesn’t feel like a very “Texas Red Beds”-y synapsid to me ngl

also where’d you get this sheet from?

[gleaming onyx]

Estemmeno and biarmo are my favorite ones on the list

[tulip umbra]

I made it

[gleaming onyx]

I love making semiaqautic habitats and they are both so unique and could cohab

[tulip umbra]

Making it*

Theres always more species to add

This is isnt even half

[eager thunder]

Wait is Permian an Epoch or period

I forgor

[gleaming onyx]

Can't even read it it's so big😳

[fiery crow]

period

[eager thunder]

Right so what’s the larger epoch again?

[tulip umbra]

U gotta zoom…

[gleaming onyx]

I did it's too pixelated lol

[shell sonnet]

Missing Tiarajudens I see

[gleaming onyx]

I'm not a boomer🤣

[tulip umbra]

This is the work in progress, also theres most likely a couple mistakes here and there as well as species i still need to place.

Its in dire need of a restructuring sometime

[tulip umbra]

Phylogeny is a big bitch

[gleaming onyx]

Virus?

[tulip umbra]

Open at ur own risk… No but fr its an excel sheet (the pic that was too blurry) of the list. If u dont wanna open it then u dont have to, idk how else to share it.

[gleaming onyx]

I was jking

I will later when I'm on my pc

[fiery crow]

had to make a copy of it

for whatever reason

[tulip umbra]

I used “send a copy” cuz i dont want ppl coming in to my personal file and adjusting it etc. Not sure how all the file sharing works tbh.

[fiery crow]

ah okay

[tough marsh]

Biarmo the largest member of its group

Nice!!!

[fiery crow]

if you need any help I’d be glad to give you a hand

[alpine thicket]

Well everyone already pointed out what they needed do about the synapsid stuff I guess so I don't need to.

[steep crane]

For a fully aquatic terrarium type that we hopefully get down the line:

[quick ore]

I feel like one of these should be a multi-species ammonite aquarium

[left spear]

0/10 no Omnidens

[steep crane]

What are the most well recognized ammonite species

[left spear]

Nah but pretty nice list

[steep crane]

Was thinking of adding.

[left spear]

Do so

[steep crane]

Def

[left spear]

It for all it's worth tick all boxes

-Complex locomotion
-Tricky size range
-Complex ontogeny

[flint sable]

there was

[steep crane]

Could Koolasuchus be a habitat tank animal? Because yes it’s huge, but its reproduction is tricky.

[flint sable]

ironically its known from coprolites from gorgonopsians

[left spear]

Not really

[flint sable]

probably yeah

[flint sable]

just have it skip the tadpole stage

or whatever they went through

idk

[left spear]

Temnospondyls don't go through metamorphosis

[steep crane]

They don’t?

[flint sable]

yeah then it could probably work if the babies are essentially mini adults

[left spear]

We have extremely Young temnospondyls and they're all just mini adults iirc

[steep crane]

How exactly did temnospondyls reproduce?

Oh.

[left spear]

Tree frogs

[quick ore]

Mom! Dad! Diddy's in Prehistoric Kingdom!
That's right, Didymoceras!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didymoceras

[left spear]

Regular amphibians eggs just with tiny adults out of them

[steep crane]

How functional were Koolasuchus’s limbs?

[left spear]

Idk

Giant salamder i'd imagine

Giggle

[steep crane]

Prionosuchus on the other hand did not have functionality in its limbs.

[left spear]

Relevant one probably not

I doubt they couldn't move at sll

[fiery crow]

this is just me. but I feel Pterygotus is a bit too big to be a vivarium species.

also what do the asterisks mean?

[hollow flower]

I would prefer Ptery to be an exhibit animal

[ancient dagger]

Happy to help with that if you want

[steep crane]

Oh ignore those.

It was helping me keep track of a separate note.

Ptery functionally is better as a terrarium animal.

[tulip umbra]

I mean sure, i just do it off and on. It spiralled out of a jwe species list i did over a year ago, which I repurposed for pk as i gained interest in it, went from just adding mammals to even bivalves now haha…

Now its just a list i can use for anything, but its mostly just personal as i like listing things to create an overview etc

If you see any mistakes like in phylogeny or feel a species needs to be added / replaced, feel free to lmk

[fiery crow]

I’d like to help too, if I can.

[tulip umbra]

Sure dude, much appreciated

[fiery crow]

aye

[feral cedar]

sea scorpions are better-suited for vivariums but I'd argue that we should go for a smaller one like Megalograptus

Hibbertopterus could be fun AND would be able to take advantage of small 'islands' in the aquatic vivarium

[limber needle]

I love hibbert he's so sweet

[left spear]

Hibb might be too massive tbh

[limber needle]

Full exhibit then

[left spear]

Honestly

I wish

[limber needle]

We need this little pancake

[left spear]

But without diving It would look weird as fuck

Tho ig It could come with aquatics

[feral cedar]

I forgot Pterygotus can be smol

[hollow furnace]

Hib would be fine as a vivarium

It's like slightly longer then tik

[limber needle]

Post EA definetly

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-ninjaishyper-low-taper-fade-massive-crazy-gif-13735679314385451792

[hollow furnace]

Ya know, Mau said Carboniferous animals were coming, we assumed that meant giant bugs, but you know who else is Carboniferous?

The hib:

[feral cedar]

EDAPHOSAURUS 🗣️

[fiery crow]

For Pantodonta:

• Bemalambdidae (Bemalambda pachyoesteus)
• Coryphodontidae (Coryphodon eocaenus)
• Pantolambdidae (Pantolambda bathmodon)
• Titanoideidae (Titanoides primaevus)

[left spear]

Honestly i think this would be the perfect 10th viv that is totally coming to u16

[fiery crow]

Ophiacodon 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[tulip umbra]

Thx, ill look into it for sure

We all know deep down it needs to be crassi

[fiery crow]

Tullimonstrum (unless it falls under the same ‘curse’ as a lot of Cambrian species where it’s a bit too small to work properly)

[peak hazel]

It's not cambrain is it

That is definitely spelled wrong

[left spear]

Wdym

[steep crane]

I also have Megalograptus listed.

[fiery crow]

most Cambrian species (i.e. Hallucigenia, Opabinia) are so small that even if they ever got added as vivies we’d probably need to get a special zoom-in function just to see them properly. would Tullimonstrum have to work like this too if it were added as a vivie?

[left spear]

It was towards Troodon lol

But yeah

Even then they would be a pain to animate so i'm not sure we're getting any viv under like 10 cm

[fiery crow]

yeah that’s what I wanted to know

[steep crane]

How many Carboniferous animals is the question.

Hopefully the arthropod trio.

[quick ore]

I NEED Hibbertopterus so bad, especially if we never get fully aquatic vivs because it would become the only eurypterid we can expect

[hollow furnace]

tulli is pretty big tbh

some are like 30+ cm long

[eager thunder]

Wouldn’t a aquatic Viv just be a aquarium?

[quick ore]

yes

but aquarium can also mean like

full sized exhibits so

I wanted to make myself clear

[ancient dagger]

For Chalicotheres, Moropus is an obvious pick

[eager thunder]

Is there a distinction?

[quick ore]

Moropus is great but I think we should also get a knuckle walking chalicothere

[quick ore]

for this game there would be

[eager thunder]

Oh yeah

[fiery crow]

Pulmonoscorpius, Arthropleura, Meganeura, Megarachne, Hibbertopterus, Arthrolycosa, Weygoldtina, Attercopus, Tullimonstrum, Petrolacosaurus, Hylonomus, Proterogyrinus, Limnocelis, Anthracosaurus, Falcatus, Rhizodus, if we want to get technical Eryops, Ophiacodon, and Diplocaulus,

[quick ore]

it's Hibbertopterus

[gleaming onyx]

Megarachne? As a spider or eurypterid which would be better🤔

[fiery crow]

Wasn’t Megarachne kinda unique for a eurypterid, though?

[tulip umbra]

Ive got these

[gleaming onyx]

Yeah for sure

Hibbertopterus would be a perfect semiaqautic mini tho

Like perfect

[ancient dagger]

So I'm looking to make a Post-EA list. If EA is gonna have 94 species overall, what's a good number for Post-EA?

This also counts alt genera/species

[fiery crow]

The tricky part here is that we don’t really have much of an idea what the number Post-EA will be - the way I see it, it could be anything.

[ancient dagger]

Alright, let's say

Best case scenario and the game does well financially

Cuz you're right, it could be anything

[fiery crow]

Best case scenario, I’m picturing hundreds - something in the 200 to 300 range specifically, if you ask me. It definitely could be more, but thousands is as unrealistic as unrealistic can get.

[ancient dagger]

Alright, I'll be conservative and say 200

Again, counting alt genera/species

[tulip umbra]

200 is a lot no?

PZ has about 200 and a bit after idk how many years

[fiery crow]

Planet Zoo got to about 200 or so too, if I remember correctly. It’s been a while since I last played it.

[ancient dagger]

Well, with Post-EA, all the main mechanics will be implemented

[tulip umbra]

Aquatics and aviaries…

[fiery crow]

2019 - 2025, which is six years or so. Lowkey feels kind of weird to think about, if you ask me.

[ancient dagger]

And if we're going with 200, does that include EA species or not counting them?

[flint sable]

I would say like Quiverrz said aquatics and aviaries, and also tour rides

[tulip umbra]

It counts all of ea yea

[fiery crow]

If that’s the case, 294.

[flint sable]

thats like all thats left for me personally is those 3 things

[ancient dagger]

Well, MOST mechanics

But touche

[flint sable]

tour rides gotta be essential for dinosaur parks lowk

[ancient dagger]

Alright, 294. Final answer

[flint sable]

just since they are so big that its really hard to see realistically sized enclosures from just a viewing point

[ancient dagger]

Let's get cooking

[tulip umbra]

If there were no jeeps u would be walking the entirety of Isla Nublar

[flint sable]

exactly

[tulip umbra]

Quite the hike

[flint sable]

also I think like

3 track vehicles

would be good

basically like armoured safari truck, similar to the ones they have at like San Diego Wildlife Park or even at actual safaris, some kind of train, whether thats a monorail or not idk, and then a skylift

I could probably live without the skylift but definitely those first two

also not jeeps because unoriginal and boring, safari truck solos

[fiery crow]

It’s funny, because when it came to Planet Zoo I never even got to the point of ever using tour rides for any of my zoos. There was always something that I didn’t feel satisfied about, so I mostly just deleted each of my zoos and started over again and again and again.

[tulip umbra]

A transport system for guests and animals would be nice, but id be fine with a god hand long term

[flint sable]

something like this

idk what would be better, a more standard truck design like the 1st and third pic or a 6 wheeled bulky design like in the 2nd pic

both would be great IMO but I have no clue which would be better, ideally both

[ancient dagger]

Recently Extinct Pack
Aurochs
Caspian Tiger/Javan Tiger
Dinornis novaezealandiae/robustus/Aepyornis
Dodo
Golden Toad
Great Auk
Hippotragus leucophaeus/gigas
Passenger Pigeon
Quagga/Tarpan
Thylacine
Warrah

[flint sable]

aepyornis as an alt for moa seems rather ambitious

dont think that would work nessecarily

[ancient dagger]

I was flip flopping it tbh

[flint sable]

also the tigers I dont think are nessecarily a very good choice either

[ancient dagger]

Because they could fit similar if not the same animation rig

[flint sable]

essentially a modern tiger

not even an extinct subspecies, just a population

[flint sable]

probably, but thats not exactly saying much, seeing as they would probably share it with gali anyway

deinocheirus shares the same rig with tyrannosaurus tbf

they are very flexible

[ancient dagger]

Caspian tigers are kind of a symbol for recently extinct species tho and I thought it'd be cool to have a tiger since we already have lions and bears

[flint sable]

actually thats a pretty good point

third and final thing, dont know what you would do for the other bluebuck skins

other than those things though, great list!

i approve

8/10

[flint sable]

I would personally go the route of making moa alts different moa genera

[ancient dagger]

Hippotragus gigas?

[flint sable]

my hope would be the giant moa and upland moa

[flint sable]

not a bad idea

not at all

u wanna see my list?

i made one a long time ago

also has explanations for what some of the skins/alts could be

[ancient dagger]

Lay it on me

[flint sable]

k

kinda long

[ancient dagger]

Gonna cook up the rest of the 200 we settled on

[flint sable]

also this one was based on the very very old kickstarter

[ancient dagger]

Bring it

[flint sable]

but i removed and tweaked a few species

based on the game's development

k here it goes

Thylacinus: T. cynocephalus (one skin) and T. potens (2 skins or another thyla species, hopefully Ngmalacinus)

Dodo: 1 skin based on Ustad Mansur Painting (likely life appearance), 1 based on Edward's Dodo (color only), and another pop culture reference skin (or just something completely new, possibly based on living ground pigeons like Nicobar and Victoria Crown)

Moa: 3 genera/species, Giant Moa, Upland Moa, and Bush Moa. Honestly just the Upland and Giant Moa for sure, the last one can be whatever.

Bos:

Bos priscus, Bos latifrons, and Bos primigenius
OR
have Aurochs types (African, Eurasian, and Indian) (aurochs alt system more likely and the better option in my opinion)

Equus: Two skins for E. ferrus ferrus, ideally one a lighter brown similar to Przewalski's Horses and one a darker brown/grey, and one for E. quagga quagga

Passenger Pigeon: Arboreal Vivarium

Carolina Parrakeet: Arboreal Vivarium

Great Auk: Summer and Winter plumage, and another member of the genus (probably Pinguinus alfrednewtonis if any)

Duisycyon: Warrah and D. avus, 1 skin for Warrah 2 for avus

Malagasy Pygmy Hippos: The 3 species that existed all as alts, similar to Camarasaurus

I replaced Stellers Sea Cow and Haast's Eagle because their mechanics arent worked in yet, and Bluebuck was replaced because it would have literally no other skins potential IMO and would be stuck with 1 skin

also I did make an elaboration on Thylacinus specifically if your interested, heres the link to that

#1360542295228944414 message

essentially, this hinges on giving them closely related alts due to the fact that for a lot of them, we knew their exact colors or at least really close

or getting pretty creative with them, like winter and summer plumage variations for the Great Auk

thoughts?

[ancient dagger]

All valid picks

I approve

[flint sable]

yay

anything that stands out in particular?

[ancient dagger]

Auroch types

Like different skins for different habitats but the same species?

[flint sable]

same species but different subspecies yeah

couldnt really think of an alternative other than the bison and then aurochs

but bison and aurochs are pretty morphologically distinct, so im not sure if full on alts would work

probably rigs, but not nessecarily alts, as they would have to share an edited model

and would end up in a really janky aurochs or bison, or both

[flint sable]

quite morphologically distinct though

a bit speculative on these but they were probably this distinct irl

African, Eurasian, and Indian

Indian Aurochs are also the direct ancestor of Zebu Cattle, and Eurasian Aurochs the direct ancestors of Taurine Cattle

[hollow furnace]

Honestly, looking more into aurochs colouration I think they'd work completely fine as three skins

and getting the three subspecies would be even better

[flint sable]

its also possible African Aurochs may be the descendants of some African Cattle breeds, but iirc thats debated

[flint sable]

probably

[flint sable]

this would be better though in my eyes

[flint sable]

nothing wrong with those colors but those aurochs look awfully skinny

are they ok

are they malnutritioned

[hollow furnace]

Although this would make a dope african skin tbh:

[ancient dagger]

Interesante

[river perch]

those reds are beautiful

we could use a bit more of that color in the mammal roster

i think juxia is the closest atm

[hollow furnace]

Juxia and cave lions' alt skin probably

[ancient dagger]

Aviary Pack
Anurognathus/Jeholopterus
Argentavis/Teratornis
Barbaridactylus
Confuciusornis
Dsungaripterus
Haast's Eagle
Icthyornis
Istodactylus
Jeholornis
Ornithocheirus/Tropeognathus
Peteinosaurus
Pteranodon longiceps/sternbergi
Quetzalcoatlus/Hatzegopteryx
Rhamphorhynchus
Tupandactylus

[river perch]

huh actually very true

i never noticed lion had a slight reddish-tint

neato

[hollow furnace]

no one ever uses that skin lmao

[river perch]

😭

[hollow furnace]

Not that I blame them, the regular one is just so good

[river perch]

https://tenor.com/view/d9luxe-true-seal-gif-14975830212676117446

[river perch]

Dsungaripterus 👍 👍 👍

[slim flare]

Ok, here’s the game:

After EA, PK will only add 5 more exhibit dinosaurs

So there’s already every species in game, plus the ones confirmed (Allosaurus, Stegosaurus, Baryonyx, Utahraptor), and we’ll also add Carnotaurus, Edmontonia, Pachycephalosaurus and Kelenken because they’re likeky coming.

What do you personally think the last 5 exhibit dinosaurs should be in the game? After that, no more.

[ancient dagger]

Aquatics/Marine Pack
Acanthostega
Archelon/Protostega
Basilosaurus cetoides/isis
Beelzebufo
Cephalaspis
Cretoxyrhina
Cymbospondylus
Dorudon
Dunkleosteus marsaisi/terrelli/tuderensis
Elasmosaurus/Styxosaurus
Globidens alabamaensis/dakotensis
Haikouicthys
Helicoprion
Hybodus
Hyneria
Hynerpeton
Icthyosaurus/Opthalmosaurus
Icthyostega
Kaprosuchus
Koolasuchus
Leedsicthys
Liopleurodon
Livyatan
Metriorhynchus
Mosasaurus hoffmannii/missouriensis/Tylosaurus
Nothosaurus
Odobenocetops
Otodus obliquus/megalodon
Plesiosaurus
Pliosaurus brachydeirus/funkei/Kronosaurus
Prionosuchus
Prognathodon lutugini/overtoni/solvayi
Proterosuchus
Purrusaurus
Sarcosuchus
Stellar's Sea Cow
Shonisaurus/Icthyottitan
Tanystropheus

[slim flare]

“Pack”

Bro that’s an entire game

[ancient dagger]

*Expansion

[fiery crow]

As much as I’d like to see Haikouichthys, it’s the size of a fingernail, if I remember correctly. Might be a bit too small.

[ancient dagger]

Fair, just too iconic not to include it

Plus, Cambrian representation

[quick ore]

it isn't really that necessary or iconic

[fiery crow]

Anomalocaris is way more iconic imo

[quick ore]

and there's better species to choose from the Cambrian

like yeah, Anomalocaris

[ancient dagger]

I have plans for Anomalocaris

Don't worry

[tulip umbra]

Yutyrannus, Nigersaurus, Gigantoraptor, Therizinosaurus and Stegouros but I also want Cryolophosaurus, Einiosaurus and Kentrosaurus 😭

[slim flare]

For me:
Therizinosaurus
Amargasaurus
Yutyrannus
Kentrosaurus
Ceratosaurus

[steep crane]

• [ ] Archelon ischyros
• [ ] Basilosaurus cetoides/isis
• [ ] Dakosaurus maximus/andiniensis
• [ ] Dolichorhynchops osborni
• [ ] Dunkleosteus terrelli
• [ ] Elasmosaurus platyceps/snowii
• [ ] Helicoprion bessonowi
• [ ] Hesperornis regalis
• [ ] Kumimanu biceae/fordycei
• [ ] Leedsichthys problematicus
• [ ] Livyatan melvillei
• [ ] Mosasaurus hoffmani/conodon
• [ ] Nothosaurus mirabilis
• [ ] Odobenocetops peruvianus/leptodon
• [ ] Otodus megalodon
• [ ] Placodus gigas
• [ ] Plesiosaurus dolichoedirus
• [ ] Pliosaurus brachydeirus/funkei/kevani
• [ ] Rhomaleosaurus cramptoni
• [ ] Shonisaurus popularis
• [ ] Tanystropheus hydroides
• [ ] Temnodontosaurus platydon/trigono./eur.
• [ ] Thalassocnus natans
• [ ] Tylosaurus proriger
• [ ] Xiphactinus audux
• [ ] Anomalocaris canadensis
• [ ] Crassigyrinus scoticus
• [ ] Falcatus falcatus
• [ ] Henodus chelyops
• [ ] Megalograptus welchi
• [ ] Megamastax ambylodus
• [ ] Omnidens amplus
• [ ] Pterygotus anglicus
• [ ] Stethacanthus altonensis
• [ ] Xenacanthus decheni

35 in total.

[slim flare]

Why brackets

[steep crane]

I copied and pasted it from my notes.

[slim flare]

Why do your notes have brackets

[steep crane]

It’s just the way it shows up when copied from the notes app.

[slim flare]

Huh

[steep crane]

Ye.

It’s weird.

[flint sable]

genuine question

does this include birds

if it does

upland moa
one of the two giant moas
any megaraptoran, probably australovenator
dodo
ornithomimus

L list but im a mammal person anyway

[gleaming onyx]

That ain't an expansion either! It's bigger than the roster rn lol

I respect the lists tho

I could def see maybe 10 in a pack

[ancient dagger]

Invertebrate Pack
Aegirocassis
Anomalocaris canadensis/daleyae
Arthropleura
Cameroceras
Isotelus
Hibbertopterus
Jaekelopterus howelli/rhenaniae
Mazothairos
Meganeura
Megarachne
Opabinia
Parapuzosia
Phacops
Pterygotus
Pulmonoscorpius
Titanomyrma
Tullimonstrum
Xenoblatta

[quick ore]

does this include recently extinct birds included in an RE pack like moas or elephant birds?

[ancient dagger]

Right now, yes. But iirc, the EA roster is planned for 94 species

[gleaming onyx]

True

[quick ore]

like will they be represented already

[gleaming onyx]

I definitely couldnt see them adding more than 20 aquatics after EA though

Majority will be land by a large margin

Especially since they don't have any rn

And that's if they do plan on adding them to begin with

[ancient dagger]

Just couldn't bring myself to leave out the big hits for marine reptiles/fish/mammals

[gleaming onyx]

Could be a planet zoo type dealeo

I view it as a wishlist (which it is) pk can pick and choose which they want

[fiery crow]

Didn’t they say if they got enough support they’d add aquatics and aviaries to the game?

[ancient dagger]

They did

[gleaming onyx]

Oh sick I didn't know

[eager thunder]

And the recently extinct stuff

[gleaming onyx]

They have my support already

Best game of ever

[eager thunder]

Hell yeah

[fiery crow]

methinks Xenoblatta might be a bit too small, isn’t it the size of a hand’s palm?

[tulip umbra]

Apparently Climacoceros is huge, finding accurate sizes is proving to be a headache especially for giraffids. Turtles was easy cuz its just shell size

[eager thunder]

Hypothetically, what if there was like, a microscope attraction that could be added to Vivs so you and guests could see these smaller animals

[ancient dagger]

Yeah, about the size of a hand

Just thought a giant cockroach-like bug would add some diversity

[tulip umbra]

Only one cephalopod is criminal

2*

[slim flare]

Yes

[fiery crow]

where’s Diplomoceras, Baculites, Titanites, or Macroscaphites?

[slim flare]

I’ll assume dodo and giant moa in RE

[tulip umbra]

And Prolibytherium is much smaller than i expected

[fiery crow]

silly horned weirdos

[eager thunder]

I love them

We need to fill a deer role

And those are perfect

[tulip umbra]

Well we already have a deer cough cough

[eager thunder]

[I mean besides not an Irish elk guy]

We can have more than one

[tulip umbra]

But yea we need a gazelle role*

[eager thunder]

And the sexual dimorphism is super cool

Not to many animals in game look that different

In terms of male or female

[fiery crow]

Bluebuck?

[ancient dagger]

Paleozoic Pack
Anteosaurus
Brontoscorpio
Cooperoceras
Cotylorhynchus
Crassigyrinus
Diictodon
Dimetrodon angelensis/limbatus/grandis
Diplocaulus
Edaphosaurus
Estemmenosuchus
Eurypterus
Eryops
Gorgonops
Inostrancevia
Lystrosaurus
Megalograptus
Mesosaurus
Moschops
Olenoides
Ophiacodon
Orthoceras
Petrolacosaurus
Proterogyrinus
Scutosaurus
Seymouria
Stethacanthus
Titanichtys agassizi/clarkii

[tulip umbra]

1,2 or 3?

I like 2 but its not blue enough?

[fiery crow]

1 or 2. 3 lowkey looks kinda weird ngl.

[tulip umbra]

He got that look on his face

[quick ore]

Last 5 for me would be:
-Therizinosaurus
-Dromornis
-Australovenator
-Kairuku
-Nanotyrannus

[eager thunder]

I’d have to go with these

Personal bias [ignoring actual likelihood’s]
-Bambiraptor
-Minmi
-Pegomastax
-Therizinosaurus
-Concavinator

What i believe is most likely
-Miragia
-Therizinosaurus
-Ceratosaurs
-Yutyrannus
-Deinonychus

[slim flare]

Very interesting

[ancient dagger]

Diplodocus
Therizinosaurus
Troodon
Maiasaura
Herrerasaurus

Mesozoic Pack/Expansion
Albertosaurus/Gorgosaurus
Alphadon
Camptosaurus
Castrocauda
Centrosaurus/Einiosaurus
Cryolophosaurus
Deinonychus
Desmatosuchus
Diplodocus/Barosaurus
Guanlong
Herrerasaurus
Kentrosaurus
Lisowicia
Lythronax
Megalosaurus
Miragaia
Monolophosaurus
Nanuqsaurus
Nothronychus
Olorotitan/Tsintaosaurus
Ornitholestes
Ornithomimus
Placerias
Postosuchus
Prenocephale
Sauropelta
Saurosuchus
Silesaurus
Tenontosaurus
Therizinosaurus
Thescelosaurus
Torosaurus
Troodon/Stenonychosaurus
Yangchuanosaurus
Yutyrannus

[eager thunder]

Forgot about Guanlong

But I would also get rid of half of these if I could replace em with Cenozoic’s

[ancient dagger]

Cenozoic Pack
American Mastodon
Bos latifrons/priscus/antiquus
Camelops
Columbian Mammoth
Daeodon
Diprotodon
Gigantopithecus
Hyaenodon horridus/gigas
Leptictidium
Macrauchenia/Xenorhinotherium
Megalania
Paleoloxodon namadicus/naumanni
Procoptodon
Procranioceras
Toxodon

And there we go, 200

[eager thunder]

Jeez

200

Imagine that

[ancient dagger]

Gotta make sure PK does well if we want to get even close to that

[quick ore]

Minmi is super fragmentary

the species you are thinking of is Kunbarrasaurus

[fiery crow]

would Minmi work as an alt. species, then?

[quick ore]

you don't get what I mean

Minmi has barely any fossils attributed to it. The fossils we used to think belonged to it actually belonged to Kunbarrasaurus.

[tidal estuary]

Dromornis now thats a cool one!

[eager thunder]

Damn

[slim flare]

Genyornis supremacy

[quick ore]

I think it'd be sad if all of the cenozoic australia species were from the pleistocene

[flint sable]

I mean

australias got like what

3 formations from before the pleistocene?

one thats really good and the others are mostly just ok

[flint sable]

joke but not that many

there are definitely good choices thougl I will admit

also dromornis is infinitely superior to genyornis

[slim flare]

But Genyornis is Late Pleistocene

Explain that

[flint sable]

genyornis looks like an emu despite being a duck

dromornis on the other hand actually looks liek something cooler than a roided up emu

[slim flare]

Counterpoint: Dromornis looks like Gastornis, Genyornis looks like nothing

[quick ore]

yeah but given your specifications Gastornis wouldn't be in the game

so Dromornis would be midway between adding Gastornis and Genyornis

[eager thunder]

Say do we have any proof for the possibility of Dire Wolves?

[hollow furnace]

no but we also don't have any proof against it

[eager thunder]

I can work with that

I really want those things

[slim flare]

We all do

[left spear]

Does it

[smoky spear]

https://www.nexusmods.com/jurassicworldevolution2/mods/3675?utm_source=discordbot&utm_medium=app&utm_content=subscribedgame

we need prehistoric feeder preys

[lean hound]

no.

It’s silly to bring back a whole extinct animal just for it to be eaten in a few minutes

[smoky spear]

thats what sandbox is for

[eager thunder]

Seems like a waste of a billion dollars it probably would take to bring that thing back

[smoky spear]

just wait for them to breed like crazy

[alpine thicket]

Rather than feeders I'd like like "ammonite swarm" or something you can place in tanks to fill them out if we get aquatics.

[steep crane]

I’ve had this idea for a while.

Make both small ammonites and trilobites placeable ambients. To decorate tanks with smaller aquarium fauna.

[quick ore]

I feel like an assortment of ammonite species in a vivarium style aquarium would make the most sense

[last thistle]

I think if we can’t get full free roaming aquatics, a larger scale aquatics vivarium type thing would be a good compromise

[mortal hedge]

maybe not prehistoric, they will already hunt prey dinosaur in future. but somenthing like natural feeder or live stocks... pig, chicken, real fish

[last thistle]

I think they already said no live feeders

Not positive

[plush nacelle]

So 4 new formations

One for each new vivarium critter ...

5th one is definitely nemegt for mono

[burnt gate]

or a fish feeder

[alpine thicket]

A lot of aquariums don't have just one big species, but there's no way it's really feasible to make a ton of little species to put into theoretical freeroam aquariums.
So stuff like "prehistoric fish school" or "ammonite swarm" would do a lot to fill out aquariums like this.

[plush nacelle]

Semi-aquatic mammal seems really to be something random, cause it is neither didelphodon nor castorocauda

[shell sonnet]

?

[plush nacelle]

4 new formations for 4 missing vivarium species

And mononykus for nemegt

[shell sonnet]

That doesn't disqualify castorocauda

it's from Jurassic China

[plush nacelle]

Tiaojishan is in patch notes

Which means semi aquatic mammal has to be from somewhere else

On the other hand Mau just said there is 10 animals coming so ....

[shell sonnet]

You can still have Castorocauda

What you really can't do is have say Castorocauda and Drepano and Halzka

[plush nacelle]

Ya, but only because mau just said there is 10 species

So there can now be two species from Tiaojishan

[low bridge]

Drepano is Meh

[fiery crow]

<REDACTED> (semi-aquatic mammal)
Castorocauda: Jiulongshan Formation, China
Cyrnaonyx: Twente Formation, Netherlands
Didelphodon: Hell Creek Formation, USA
Indohyus: Subathu Formation, India
Kolponomos: Clallam Formation, USA
Obdurodon: Etadunna Formation, Australia
Palaeosinopa: Green River Formation, USA
Praepusa: Lillo Formation, Netherlands
Puijila: Haughton Formation, Canada
~~Steneofiber: Montaigu-le Blin, France~<
Steropodon: Griman Creek Formation, Australia

[abstract compass]

[fiery crow]

There’s nothing from the Jiulongshan Formation or the Subathu Formation so far, right? I think it’s either gonna be Castorocauda or Indohyus.

[shell sonnet]

Castorcauda is from the Tiaojishan

[steep tulip]

Drepano could still be from zorzino limestone

[quick ore]

Drepanosaurs are like, one of the standout groups from the Triassic

[shell sonnet]

Maybe (that is where we found its first specimen), but Halzka can only come from Djadokhta, which is already in the game. It and Castorocauda can't come together.

[plush nacelle]

Maybe plant feeder in water was clue

[shell sonnet]

Unless, they've pulled another bluff and Compy is actually the French location

[steep tulip]

Damn the more they reveal the more Im convinced all the picks are pretty unknown

[shell sonnet]

Thrixandon is still safe

[plush nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-sniff-my-favorite-smell-meme-gif-6296059268181590699

Messel pit and leptictidium

[low bridge]

Allo will have 4 species including Allosaurus Anax

[fiery crow]

.

[limber needle]

We already have fish feeder

[coarse inlet]

I'd love Diablophis for vivariums, since it'd probably look like a bigger Breugnathair

[burnt gate]

o i forgot

[fiery crow]

so far
<REDACTED>
Fram Formation, Canada - Tiktaalik (1)
<REDACTED>
<REDACTED>
<REDACTED>
Maevarano Formation, Madagascar - Simosuchus (2), Beelzebufo (3) (potentially)
Solnhofen Limestone Formation, Germany - Compsognathus (4)
Tiaojishan Formation, China - Yi qi (5), Castorocauda (6) (potentially)

[coarse inlet]

I want a parviraptorid and that'd be the best in terms of size and location

[flint sable]

it can be didelphodon and castorocauda

theres are 4 unknown formations and 5 unknown beasties

so one of the ones with only hints is indeed from an existing formation, or maevarano, fram, or tiaojishan

[plush nacelle]

To be fair with recent comment about 10th critter being tiny tiny

[coarse inlet]

so it could still be Didelphodon, Castorocauda, or Kayentatherium then

[plush nacelle]

I dont believe in Castorocauda

[flint sable]

it can hypothetically be, its just approximately 1/4 as likely now

[plush nacelle]

It is already small

How small would be something smaller than castorocauda lol

[fiery crow]

a lot of things

[coarse inlet]

Halzskaraptor also seems a lot less likely now

[plush nacelle]

Shit gonna be that herbivorous otter converged notoungulate

[coarse inlet]

the

what

[plush nacelle]

Interatherium

[coarse inlet]

Heterodontosaurus is from the Elliot Formation, that's reasonable.

[plush nacelle]

But on the other hand it doesnt make much sense for mammal to not be fish eater with halszka out of question

[coarse inlet]

it's not entirely out of the question

just a lot less likely

damn, so many of my guesses are from existing formations

I gotta figure this out

[fiery crow]

“fuzzy Triassic critter”:
Chiniquodon: Santa Maria Formation, Brazil
Ecteninion: Ischigualasto Formation, Argentina
Megazostrodon: ** Grès à Aviculella Formation,** France
Morganucodon: Hallau, Switzerland
Peteinosaurus: Calcare di Zorzino Formation, Italy
Rosamygale: Grès a Meules Formation, France
Thrinaxodon: Beaufort Group, South Africa
Venetoraptor: Santa Maria Formation, Brazil

so far
<REDACTED>
Fram Formation, Canada - Tiktaalik (1)
Haifanggou Formation, China - Castorocauda (2)
<REDACTED>
Lystrosaurus Assemblage Group, South Africa - Thrinaxodon (3) (potentially)
Maevarano Formation, Madagascar - Simosuchus (4), Beelzebufo (5) (potentially)
Nemegt Formation, Mongolia - Mononykus (6)
Solnhofen Limestone Formation, Germany - Compsognathus (7)
Tiaojishan Formation, China - Yi qi (8)

[flint sable]

gonna post this here too

for guesses

basically heres everything that we know in 1 message

10 new species coming in U16, totalling 12 viviarum animals

Confirmed (4/10)

Tiktaalik
Simosuchus
Compsognathus
Yi

Nearly Confirmed (1/10)

Monokyus (seen in a blurry image, patreons know for certain what it is, body matches it nearly identically, at the very least certainly an alvzaerosaurid)

Hinted At (5/10)

A semiaquatic mammal

An arboreal lizard

A fuzzy triassic critter

A funky dinosaur

The smallest one

Diets

2 carnivores

A Piscivore

A herbivore

An insectivore (likely Monokyus)

One that is completely unknown, specifically "The smallest one" (not in the trello so it's unknown)

We also know that 4 unknown digsites are mentioned in the PTB log, presumabley for 4 of the unknown species with only hints. (as Yi, Simosuchus', and Tiktaalik's formations are mentioned in the PTB log, Compsognathus shares one with Archaeopteryx, and Monokyus would be Negmet. This indicates that at the very least 4 of the 5 of them come from entirely new formations, technically 3 is feasible if it isnt actually Monokyus. This means that one (or very hypothetically 2) of them is from an existing formation, or one of the new ones already known about.

[shell sonnet]

Wrong Megazostrodon. The Elliot one is from the Jurassic, the Triassic one is from France. I chose M. chenali for a reason

[fiery crow]

aye. fixed it.

[coarse inlet]

I will crash out if we get something from Elliot that ISN'T Heterodontosaurus

[tough marsh]

hear me out

[coarse inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-no-thinking-nope-skinner-gif-16471648

[fiery crow]

“arboreal lizard”:

• Coelurosauravus: Lower Sakamena Formation, Madagascar
• Drepanosaurus: Chinle Formation, USA
• Hylonomus: Joggins Formation, Canada
• Kuehneosaurus: Emborough Quarry, England
  - Lapitiguana: Voli Voli Site 1, Fiji Islands
• Longisquama: Madygen Formation, Kyrgyzstan
• Sharovipteryx: Madygen Formation, Kyrgyzstan
  - Suminia: Urpalov Formation, Russia
  - Xianglong: Yixian Formation, China

[coarse inlet]

Oh shit, Suminia is out

that's big

[hollow valve]

To be fair, it’s a Protomammal, not a true reptile.

[coarse inlet]

yeah, I always doubted it but some people were very pro-Suminia

[flint sable]

not that unsurprising

[coarse inlet]

yeah I expected it

[flint sable]

probably a drepanosaur or a permian glider then

[fiery crow]

so far
Chinle Formation, USA - Drepanosaurus (1) (potentially)
Fram Formation, Canada - Tiktaalik (2)
Haifanggou Formation, China - Castorocauda (3)
<REDACTED>
Lystrosaurus Assemblage Zone, South Africa - Thrinaxodon (4) (potentially)
Maevarano Formation, Madagascar - Simosuchus (5), Beelzebufo (6) (potentially)
Nemegt Formation, Mongolia - Mononykus (7)
Solnhofen Limestone Formation, Germany - Compsognathus (8)
Tiaojishan Formation, China - Yi qi (9)

[coarse inlet]

I really dont think a drepanosaur would be listed as anything but an insectivore

[flint sable]

probably

[shell sonnet]

Actually, Suminia is also found in the Malokinelskaya Fm.

[fiery crow]

Mae
Mal

even then

[coarse inlet]

yeah still not before maevarano

[shell sonnet]

You're not using the Cyrillic alphabet

[fiery crow]

I don’t even know what that is my man

[fresh ember]

What about Icarosaurus, and the Lockatong Formation?

Scratch that, I didn't realize how small it was.

[shell sonnet]

That's a pretty small animal

[coarse inlet]

neither is the game

[tough marsh]

if i may minor change its the Lystrosaurus assemblage zone not group

[tulip umbra]

So the 10th species is real?

[flint sable]

yes

[eager thunder]

10th?

[fresh ember]

And it's the smallest animal in the game.

Placing my bets on Diictodon.

[tulip umbra]

Idk anything abt the formations etc, havent even read the patch notes yet. But knowing its the smallest, and its in a logo

Leptictidium?

[shell sonnet]

too big

[tulip umbra]

Also need more mammal rep in vivariums other than semi aquatic

[hollow valve]

Which is part of why I’m hoping Leptictidium makes it in at some point. Same with Didelphodon, Volaticotherium, and a couple others.

[tulip umbra]

Is it tho?

He do be very small

[shell sonnet]

60-90 cm in length

[tulip umbra]

And what is compys length?

[shell sonnet]

It's Yi that matters

Yi has a wingspan of 60 cm

(and it's certainly lighter than Lepti)

[tulip umbra]

Doesnt that already like exclude so much of what we thought then?

Like whats even left after that

[hollow valve]

It has to be if it’s going to have flight capabilities.

[shell sonnet]

The point is that Lepti is bigger than Yi

[flint sable]

beelzebufo

[shell sonnet]

So it can't be the tenth because it's suppose to be the smallest

[tulip umbra]

Yea, im asking a follow up question. Not combating it

[fresh ember]

Diictodon's half-a-meter long, so that works in its favor.

[shell sonnet]

For what it's worth, Drepano is 45-50 cm

Castocuda is 42 cm

[coarse inlet]

also Messel is not able to be in the list

[tulip umbra]

And it was on the blurred map, which has had a lot right but also some wrong

[eager thunder]

Is this supposed to be the funky Triassic critter or could it be anything?

[tulip umbra]

Anything

[eager thunder]

Hm

[fresh ember]

No, this is something new entirely.

[eager thunder]

So maybe something Permian

[flint sable]

possibly

thrinaxodon is permian and triassic

[hollow valve]

This is why I’m just waiting until whatever creatures are really planned are confirmed.

There’s too much up in the air right now.

[shell sonnet]

No, Triassic only

[flint sable]

indeed

[shell sonnet]

Are you confusing this with Lystro

[eager thunder]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHsMm5M0kxRf5g84eeFrm-2WN6xcp149icY4dYMcqC1DMDFy4xXr07ZX_k0CVA09Sxi7-fnKll81W5EQFbsX9gM9YMVI99YEy31ob02GkxUw&s=10 https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRhMUnw1uGmECKQ2LkxD3TPzAGj1CNMIE7JlH8-8L3ko8X30h32kxmXfgRALtoEjLxoj2GgL5E2lxS3JeoGIdXwVx-HYMwJLsM-tQQlLzeW&s=10 maybe a Cacops

Its name literally means “Ugly look”

[flint sable]

ah you are correct

[tough marsh]

heads up prehistoric wildlife isnt good for scale

[eager thunder]

Shoot uh

[flint sable]

gonna link this here again

its everything that we know

about the vivs

[flint sable]

everything

[shell sonnet]

That's too big

[eager thunder]

Damn

And he’s so handsome too

[shell sonnet]

Okay, he's barely smaller than Yi

But I doubt Yi will be the second smallest

[hollow valve]

Same here. I can’t come up with that many creatures that could be smaller than Yi without being too small.

[eager thunder]

sacabambaspis

[tough marsh]

robertia is 30cm

[eager thunder]

There’s the Mei Long

[fresh ember]

That would be an aquarium species.

[tulip umbra]

Mei long is much bigger, its fossils are just juveniles

[eager thunder]

Dang

[fresh ember]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Diictodon_feliceps_scale.svg/960px-Diictodon_feliceps_scale.svg.png

Here's Diictodon

[eager thunder]

Batos anyone?

[shell sonnet]

If it means the devs have no excuse not to include the Golden Toad, sure

Ummm, how big is Archaeo in the game

[tulip umbra]

I also feel like it should be semi aquatic cuz 4 terrestrial, 4 arboreal and only 2 semi aquatic we know of unless its halzka for funky dino

Also the herbivore underwater feeder…

[eager thunder]

Do yall think Bambiraptor is Viv sized?

[shell sonnet]

Yes

[eager thunder]

Yes on my thing?

[feral cedar]

It probably grew to full exhibit size I think

[tulip umbra]

Yes

[eager thunder]

There is hope

For a thing I and probably nobody else cares about

[ancient ibex]

Don't think so, it has juvenile proportions and frankly it seems to be a regular Dromaeosaurine/Saurornitholestine

[coarse inlet]

isnt there part of an adult?

parts of 2 adults

[ancient ibex]

Undescribed AFAIK

[coarse inlet]

apparently it was assigned as the paratype

[fiery crow]

second “funky dinosaur”:

• Anchiornis: Tiaojishan Formation, China
  - Aquilops: Cloverly Formation, USA
  - Avisaurus: Hell Creek Formation, USA
  - Bambiraptor: Upper Two Medicine Formation, USA
• Buitreraptor: Candeleros Formation, Argentina
  - Caudipteryx: Yixian Formation, China
  - Confuciusornis: Yixian Formation, China
• Gracilliceratops: Bayan Shireh Formation, Mongolia
  - Halszkaraptor: Djadochta Formation, Mongolia
• Hesperonychus: Dinosaur Park Formation, Canada
• Heterodontosaurus: Elliot Formation, South Africa
  - Ichthyornis: Niobrara Formation, USA
  - Incisivosaurus: Yixian Formation, China
• Jinfengopteryx: Huajiying Formation, China
• Lesothosaurus: Elliot Formation, South Africa
• Patagopteryx: Bajo de la Carpa Formation, Argentina
• Presbyornis: Green River Formation, USA
• Rahonavis: Maevarano Formation, Madagascar
  - Scutellosaurus: Kayenta Formation, USA
  - Shuuvia: Djadochta Formation, Mongolia
  - Sinosauropteryx: Yixian Formation, China
• Tianyulong: Tiaojishan Formation, China
  - Yinlong: Shishugou Formation, China

[eager thunder]

Unfortunate, it’s one of my favorites for some reason I don’t even know why. I don’t even like Bambi

[shell sonnet]

Yixian is already in the game

[feral cedar]

Psittacosaurus sp. go brrrr

[fiery crow]

that’s why I crossed it off

[feral cedar]

Wait Shishugou is in-game?

[tulip umbra]

Hold on, wouldnt the second funky dino actually be the blurred one??

[shell sonnet]

Then why not cross off Hell Creek and Djadochta

[shell sonnet]

No

The blurred one is the first

[fiery crow]

it’s been a while since I was fully up to date on this game tbh

[tulip umbra]

Oh yeaaa, for some reason i thought the first was compy

[shell sonnet]

In fact, Cloverly, Kayenta also should be crossed off by this logic

[fiery crow]

lowkey no idea what the second funky dinosaur is

[shell sonnet]

Probably Hetero at this point

[fiery crow]

the only one I can possibly add to my spec list is Jinfengopteryx

[tulip umbra]

Scuttellosaurus? Tho i doubt it will be that

[gleaming onyx]

We already have scelido so probably not

But I would love to see more species from my home state

we already have coelophysis and dilo

[steep tulip]

Elliot stay winning with heterodontosaurus

[fiery crow]

so

Elliot Formation, South Africa - Heterodontosaurus (1) (potentially)
Fram Formation, Canada - Tiktaalik (2)
Haifanggou Formation, China - Castorocauda (3)
Lower Sakamena Formation, Madagascar - Coelurosauravus (4) (potentially)
Lystrosaurus Assemblage Zone, South Africa - Thrinaxodon (5) (potentially)
Maevarano Formation, Madagascar - Simosuchus (6), Beelzebufo (7) (potentially)
Nemegt Formation, Mongolia - Mononykus (8)
Solnhofen Limestone Formation, Germany - Compsognathus (9)
Tiaojishan Formation, China - Yi qi (10)

I had to take out Drepanosaurus and replace it with Coelurosauravus because otherwise there would’ve been NOTHING I could put down for the second funky dinosaur

[gleaming onyx]

coelurosauravus isn't a dinosaur

Right?

[fiery crow]

I know that
it’s supposed to represent the arboreal lizard…

[gleaming onyx]

Ahh

[trail ivy]

/I know that update 16 isn't even out yet but this is just what i want in the game/ 1. Megalancosaurus- arboreal species 2. Chroniosuchus- amphibious species 3.Microbrachis- amphibious species 4.Kuehneosaurus- arboreal species 5.Morganucodon- terrestrial species 6.Eoraptor- terrestrial species 7.Fruitadens- terrestrial species 8.Longisquama - arboreal species

[shell sonnet]

Eoraptor could be a full size habitat animal

Microbrachis is probably too small

[quick ore]

does nothing from the cenozoic interest you?

[burnt gate]

Is beez confirmed

[fiery crow]

oh that’s. that’s a complete lack of any Cenozoic animals.

[fiery crow]

no. it’s just speculation.

[burnt gate]

If they add it I MIGHT get the patron

To support them

[trail ivy]

Tbh i forgot about cenozoic creatures while making this LOL

[hollow furnace]

consider though, if they don't add it, you can support them on patreon so they can add it in the future...

[quick ore]

the cenozoic has so many great and underrated viv options

[fiery crow]

I think Megaladapis would work as a vivie

[quick ore]

hrmmmm

kinda big don't you think?

[fiery crow]

that’s my biggest issue

[quick ore]

I feel like there's other holocene species that would make for better vivs

[fiery crow]

Passenger Pigeon?

[quick ore]

even mammals

yeah, among others

like pig footed bandicoots, broad billed parrots, the Huia, Talpanas

[flint sable]

one of my freinds sugguested Ascendonanus as the arboreal lizard

thoughts?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascendonanus#Specimens

[shell sonnet]

It's not impossible. But there's also nothing about it that's special. No wings or strange tails, no frills or anything of the nature. It's just generic looking.

Also it probably only ate insects

[wary nacelle]

How can yall not tell that the Madagascar animal is Rahonavis smh
-# /j but I wish

[slow shoal]

then no

[steep crane]

Thrinaxodon is specifically from the Normandien Formation in that zone.

[shell sonnet]

It's from a lot of formations

Katberg for one

[steep crane]

Though which formation the type specimen is from would be my question.

Not saying that’s a requirement but typically a lot of the ingame formations are where the type specimen of most of the games animals were found.

It’s not something matters a ton though.

[shell sonnet]

Given this was found in the 1800's South Africa and named by Owen (in a different genera), and I doubt we can narrow it down any further than Lystrosaurus Assemblage Zone within the Beaufort Group. I suspect it is more likely to be the Katberg simply because the Normandien is located in what was once part of the Boer states and I doubt they'd be willing to let a Brit enter and take something out of the ground unlike the British run colony.

[limber needle]

Could be sinosauropteryx, could be a mixed enclosure with microraptor

[autumn plover]

In light of the latest post in #science-chat we now know that Mirigaia is distinct from Dacentrurus

So I’d love to see Mirigaia return as the second stegosaur and to fill out Jurassic Europe.

[left spear]

Eh

I think Kentro takes priority

But yeah third stegosaur

[autumn plover]

We’ve already had Mirigaia in the past and animals from its formation are already planned. It’s also just plain odd looking

[left spear]

I don't see how that afecta Kentro much

[open heron]

I know the game usually prioritises fame over anything else but Miragaia is just infinitely more interesting looking than Kentro (I say this as someone who has both of these animals in my top 10 faves.)

[left spear]

It has the same things going for it

[silver steeple]

Not quite

Kentro is like tiny by comparison

Mira is basically the same size as stego

Its also got the shoulder spikes, which dacentrurines lack, so there's a bit more visual flair there

[left spear]

That's my main point

The size difference is Big

[silver steeple]

I think both can easily coexist alongside stego

Mira has like one good leg up, being from a formation that already exists in the game with other dinos

[open heron]

Miragaia looks like if you took every single drug on earth at once and tried to draw a giraffe.
I don't think there's a single other Ornithscian that looks the same level of weird, not one that's fairly complete anyways. (Udano would come close IMO, but we only have the skull to go off so we don't actually know what it'd look like.)

[left spear]

Oh don't get me wrong i want Both for base game

I just think Kentro should be first

[silver steeple]

I don't blame you, I would agree

[open heron]

I'm in a similar boat but like reversed.
I want both in base but think Mira should be first.

[left spear]

It be like that sometimes

[silver steeple]

I'm a big fan of having at 2 members of a family, especially one big and one small

And Stego is coming soon™ so Kentro would fit perfectly as its "counter"

[open heron]

A good advantage of having all three is that they'd represent all sides of the stegosauridae tree.

[left spear]

Also honestly i don't think we'd truly need any other stegosaur after these three, A chinese one in a dlc and we would be set imo

[silver steeple]

Yup

To both

[open heron]

Kentro as a basal, Mira as a dacentrurine, and Stego as a stegosaurine.

[left spear]

That way you have an American, and European, and African and an Asian stegosaur

Sorry Oceania

And Antarctica ig but no surprises there

[open heron]

And make the Asian one a Huayangosaurid? (sorry Tuojiang I hope someone mods you in at least lol)

[left spear]

Huyanga itself i think

2 small ones and 2 big ones that way

[open heron]

I'm feeling Gigantspino but Huayang's a good pick too.

[left spear]

Gigantspino to trick the kids playing into digging that digsite like what happened to me as a kid in jwe1

I really thought It was gonna be a cool spinosaurid 🥀

[open heron]

Knew it first from the Dinosaur King arcade so I never got to experience that.

[shell sonnet]

Keep in mind that S. ungulatus has also been found in Europe

[left spear]

Aren't we only getting stenops?

[open heron]

Lourinha and Morrison largely share the same animals so this isn't too much of a shock.

(Would not be shocked if Alcova ends up being a species/specimen of Miragaia)

[shell sonnet]

Nope, we're getting both

[left spear]

Oh well

[open heron]

What are the main differences in the two Stegosaurus species btw?

[shell sonnet]

Size and plate shape mostly

[left spear]

As we all know Portugal is part of the balkans and the balkans are their own continent so still only a european stegosaur

[shell sonnet]

ungulatus validity is rather messy

[mint creek]

What's the speculation for the 10th animal? It's got to be the carboniferous animal Mau mentioned on reddit right

[peak hazel]

me

I'm in the game

[left spear]

Hibbertopterus 🙏

But really It could be any of the scots

[shell sonnet]

If it is it would be on the small side because the hint for the tenth was that it was the smallest.

[fiery crow]

can I see the post for this? I haven’t seen it yet I don’t think

[shell sonnet]

The carbon part, it comes from Reddit

[fiery crow]

ah

but did Mau post anything

[shell sonnet]

Mau did post that comment though

I'll find the image if I can

[desert flame]

The Carboniferous period slot has been added to the PTB, so it's likely to appear in this update.

[wary nacelle]

meganeura in arboreal terrarium

2025-2026

[mint creek]

ooo nice spot

[tulip umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-and-dumber-comedy-jim-carrey-excited-happy-gif-10308926303665370357

Diplocaulus confirmed

[shell sonnet]

Sadly no

The other hint was that the animal is the tiniest one and Diplocaulus is bigger than Yi

[tulip umbra]

Idc Diplocopers stay strong

[shell sonnet]

For what i's worth, Diploccaulus is more of a Permian animal

[peak hazel]

its a hypothetical really small diplocaulus

[desert flame]

It might be a Diictodon.

[shell sonnet]

That's Permian though

Granted it's not impossible

I personally lean towards Adelophthalmus

[steep tulip]

Was it semi aquatic?

[shell sonnet]

Just because it hits a lot of wants people's have:
invertebrate, semi-aquatic

[steep tulip]

Oh it is lol

[shell sonnet]

They lived in fresh and brackish water and the clade could go on land

[steep tulip]

Would be cool

[shell sonnet]

The only issue is that largest one isn't from the Carbon era, but the second largest is

[tulip umbra]

So we have Hints of carboniferous, their traits like funky dino, some info on potential formations, an underwater herbivore feeder, a seeming lack of semi aquatics compared to arboreal and terrestrial… we still are kinda clueless, surely something has to be a lie or smtg