Community Species Suggestions

[naive yoke]

I need something like Macrauchenia or a smaller herding herbivore since we mostly have rhinos and an elephant

[left spear]

Well there's Megalo

And we're probably getting Glyptodon/ Doedicurus in u19

But yeah the mammal roster is very skewed towards big animals right now

RE will atleast help a bit with that

[naive yoke]

That’s true haha. What is RE btw??

[quick ore]

recently extinct

[tulip umbra]

Macrau is not really small

Did u see how big it was in PhP?

[short rover]

Macrauchenia, doedicurus, Toxodon, and megatherium are all must haves for the base game imo

[naive yoke]

Yeah I know it isn’t. I just worded it wrong. I should’ve said I either want Mac or a smaller herding herbivore

[short rover]

In terms of Pleistocene South American megafauna

[left spear]

Recently Extinct, confirmed to have Quagga and wild Horse, it's also decently likely It includes Bluebuck aswell

[shell sonnet]

Moa as well

[quick ore]

Thylacine and Dodo too

[left spear]

Not exactly herbivorous mammals lol

[quick ore]

I'm doubtful of Bluebuck tbh, feels like the most likely choice they will reconsider

[left spear]

But yeah good to clarify

[tulip umbra]

Yea, some small antilope like animal like procranioceras

[naive yoke]

We def need more mammals. I love dinosaurs but a lot of games already have them.

[short rover]

Can’t wait for more mammals

[left spear]

What we need is 11 sebecids

[short rover]

We getting a mini mammal next update

[left spear]

Sebecids are the spice of life

[quick ore]

I think an oreodont would be cool as a filler small mammal for exhibits maybe

[naive yoke]

I used to have huge herds of blue buck in ZT2

[left spear]

Big beliver in Myotragus and Nuralugus

[quick ore]

Thoatherium would be cool too

[left spear]

If you're generous with your definition of RE those could be included in there

[quick ore]

another SANU

[quick ore]

no
there are so many RE island species that we could see that adding these species, one of which humans would have never encountered, would be a major waste

Nuralagus iirc literally got outcompeted by Myotragus

[left spear]

Don't see how that make sthem bad additions

[naive yoke]

If they do add Macrauchenia in the game, should it also have an option where it has a trunk or should it just be similar to the prehistoric planet one?

[quick ore]

the trunk is just inaccurate

[left spear]

If you think a dog-sized rabbit and a cave weed goat are bad additions then i don't know what to tell you

[quick ore]

there's zero reason to include it

[quick ore]

I never said that

I said they are bad inclusions for the RE dlc

because they don't fit

[left spear]

Then why reply to that message and not the RE one

[quick ore]

Myotragus also went extinct too early

[left spear]

Whatever

[quick ore]

the cut off for RE is 1000 years ago isnt it

[left spear]

2000

But honestly i feel it's too constrictive

[quick ore]

yeah Myotragus went extinct over 4k years ago

[left spear]

Personally i would put it in 3000 bc

More or less when worldwide history begins

[quick ore]

it's only too constrictive when you don't want to add the multitudes of other options that went extinct within the last 1000 years

[naive yoke]

That’s true

[left spear]

They can always do múltiple REs

[quick ore]

they can save Myotragus for a future island dlc pack

[left spear]

Frankly RE just has too many species that are otherwise unlikely to get added to other dlcs

[plush nacelle]

Everybody be talking how wild horse and moa are confirmed, but by time RE is going to release Mau might rethink how many animals are in DLCs at least 3 times lol.

[left spear]

I would expect 6

[shell sonnet]

That depends on how big DLC packs are going to be

[quick ore]

which is why I don't think Myotragus should be included because it is a stretch

[left spear]

Not for all dlcs just RE

[left spear]

Fair take

[quick ore]

I am guessing that 4-6 is a reasonable amount, not counting alt species or genera

with vivs either included in the number or additional add ons

[left spear]

I expect 4 without alts for regular dlcs and 6 without alts for RE aswell for flyers and then aquatics base dlcs

[shell sonnet]

Dodo, Moa, Aurochs, Quagga, Thylacine with Passenger Pigeon as a mini is the basic pack

[left spear]

I could see another full species and another mini

[silver steeple]

Mac is like a ton in weight btw

Hardly a "smaller" herbivore lol

[left spear]

If i had to choose then probably Bluebuck and Gigarcanum

[silver steeple]

That'd be larger than Juxia ftr

[quick ore]

imo my choice for a second RE viv species would either be the pig footed bandicoot or the broad billed parrot

[silver steeple]

I don't think that's really a bar for entry, needing new animations however would be

[quick ore]

true

[quick ore]

moa would likely include at least 1 alt

[low bridge]

Synthetoceras also neat pick

[quick ore]

for base game?

[left spear]

Honestly i know this is an un popular addition but do Elephant b for a moa alt

[quick ore]

I don't think so

[naive yoke]

Yeah thats something I would also like in the game

[silver steeple]

Wouldn't work

[shell sonnet]

That doesn't work

[quick ore]

the comment you replied to said must haves for the base game

[shell sonnet]

Honestly, Madagascar and the nearby Indian islands should get their own RE pack

[left spear]

I don't expect any RE to be base game

And i don't see the issue if they aren't

They're fine as dlc

[silver steeple]

Because there isn't one

[quick ore]

a multi time period madagascar pack would go so hard

[left spear]

Madagascar alone could have 2 dlcs

[silver steeple]

Plenty of the animals in game are technically Holocene extinctions

Heck most of the pleistocene animals are

[shell sonnet]

Southern Pig Foot or the Sea Mink (though that depends on what semi-aquatic mammal mini we get)

[low bridge]

I belive in Arsinoitherium, Uintatherium

[quick ore]

eh, sea mink feels like a waste imo
like it isn't a bad choice per say but it isn't that interesting either

at least compared to a pig footed bandicoot or broad billed parrot

or even Gigarcanum

[plush nacelle]

Carolina parakeet swoop them all

[shell sonnet]

I do like the Parakeet but I don't want both RE minis to be birds

[low bridge]

Bye

Mammals are cooked , boiled in this game

[plush nacelle]

Tbh thanks to human activity birds are top contenders

[lean hound]

poor mammals...

[shell sonnet]

I'm aware, but different viviarium types would be ideal

Especially given the lack of semi-aquatics

[quick ore]

-Majungasaurus
-Archaeoindris
-Aepyornis w/ Mullerornis alt
-Hippopotamus lemerlei
-Masiakasaurus
-Beelzebufo/Madtsoia (viv)

[shell sonnet]

You forgot Voay

[quick ore]

no I didn't

it isn't that special, especially considering the game will have plenty of other crocodilians

OH FUCK

Mahajangasuchus would be better

[left spear]

Malagasy hippo aswell

[quick ore]

if any malagasy croc were added

I said that

[low bridge]

Just Sacrifice them ALL

[quick ore]

EZ what are you talking about

[lean hound]

NOOOOOO

[quick ore]

did u not see lemerlei

[low bridge]

Yes

Yes

Yes

[lean hound]

Please spare them

[shell sonnet]

Could have all three as alts

[low bridge]

They don't deserve such a thing anyways

[quick ore]

true

at holdthepineapple

[lean hound]

What about Sivatherium?!

[left spear]

Shall be slaughtered so to feed Cotylorhychus' inevitable arrival

[quick ore]

it sucks that Bibymalagasy is such a mystery, if we had better material for it it would be awesome as a viv species

lowkey same with Falcatakely tbh though it has much better chances

[low bridge]

Sivatherium should be Deleted from Existence

[low bridge]

ASAP

[left spear]

The weird shrew things?

Maybe they're too small but yeah they could make fun minis

[shell sonnet]

they're called tenrecs

[quick ore]

no

tenrecs

[quick ore]

huh? Bibymalagasy wasn't small

I mean it was viv sized

but as far as we know it was the largest tenrec ever potentially

[left spear]

Oh ok, nvm i thought you were talking about Bibymalagasia

The extinct order

[quick ore]

nah

[tulip umbra]

Leithia for vivaria?

Or nah

[left spear]

Viv for a mediterranean dlc

[shell sonnet]

7 cm is probably too small

[quick ore]

does the Mediterranean have enough exhibit species for a full dlc pack?

[tulip umbra]

Its not 7cm?

[shell sonnet]

besides the dwarf Sicilian elephant?

[left spear]

That's only the skull

[left spear]

For sure

[tulip umbra]

Left one

[quick ore]

Candiacervus and Myotragus would be good, is there anything notable from there from beyond the cenozoic?

[left spear]

P. facloneri, c. falconeri, nuralugus, myotragus, Candicervus, that giant otter, megalochelys...

a few more

[quick ore]

anything from the mesozoic?

[left spear]

Idk

Thethyshadros

[low bridge]

Exterminate mammals

[quick ore]

EZ this is getting annoying

[left spear]

But the mediterranean didnt exists back then so why bother

[quick ore]

can we just talk about mammals

[left spear]

it's fine as a cenozoic only dlc

[quick ore]

fair, though I think it would be smarter to pull some of these species to be a part of a cenozoic islands dlc maybe

[shell sonnet]

Can't imagine it has enough punch to sell itself

[left spear]

That's another matter sadly

But the species are there

[quick ore]

yeah for a dlc to make sense it needs at least a couple heavy hitters

dlc is made to sell ofc

[left spear]

You could do something funny and put Deinotherium

[quick ore]

no

that's just reinforcing a myth isnt it

[left spear]

i think it was found in greece and it would have very likely island hopped

[quick ore]

like that whole idea is debunked

of it being the cyclops

[left spear]

Tho yeah its a big bullshit stretch

[left spear]

I wasnt going for that at all

[plush nacelle]

Gargano island coming in clutch

[left spear]

True

[plush nacelle]

And that one miocene with oreopithecus

[trail ivy]

This giant bird is the Elephant Bird it's the largest bird to ever exist (That we know of) this species would make a great animal to have in tropical and wetland exhibit's -Diet- The Elephant Bird is believed to eat plants such as fruits. -Size- standing over 10 feet tall and weighed over 1,700 pounds! -Sub Species- There are three sub species of Elephant Bird that are Mullerornis modestus, Aepyornis, and the largest of the three, Aepyornis maximus. -Where They lived- Elephant Birds lived in prehistoric Madagascar -Enrichment- Frozen Fruit Blocks, Ground Fruit Feeders, High Feeder and Faux Logs & Stumps. -Custom Enrichment- Ball (For them to kick around), Fruit Tree Feeder, and Gastroliths (To swallow) /Please Devs add this!! 🙏 \

[left spear]

Also it's a very normal kingdom pick but i like Tyto

[left spear]

Hope they make them and moa frugivore exclusively

we really need more of those

[trail ivy]

Fr

[quick ore]

well done suggestion, I agree with all of this

Mullerornis as an alt also makes a lot of sense

[trail ivy]

Ty 😄

[plush nacelle]

Moas definitely need to be herbivores. We know a lot about diet for every, but one I think

[quick ore]

I sincerely hope that if/when moas get added that they come with multiple alts or different species to show their variety

[flint sable]

mammoth refference????

[quick ore]

as much as I loved the PhP moa segment I do wish PhP showed that moas were a family of species and not a single one

[left spear]

More so that that's when history truly starts and what i would consider recent, but yes the idea of putting mammoth on RE is amusing

[flint sable]

mammoths went extinct even more recently than that by about 1000 years lmao

its insanity

[left spear]

Problem is that the 2 most interesting moa species would be complicated to make alts of eachother

[flint sable]

upland and giant?

[left spear]

Giant and bush

[flint sable]

those would be my two picks

upland cause it lasted the longest and we have the most soft tissue remains

its also pretty small iirc, not quite as small as bush but quite close

[quick ore]

yeah Upland, Giant, and Bush would be great

[left spear]

Also, reminder that Hanyusuchus lived to see the 30 years war.

[quick ore]

my hope is that we at Least don't just have 1 moa

or like

[quick ore]

only the 2 giant moa species

[flint sable]

third smallest

[left spear]

Great pick for RE imo

[flint sable]

ideal for me for moas would be one of these two

South Island Giant / Upland / Bush

South Island Giant / North Island Giant / Upland

basically one of the giant ones and upland

[trail ivy]

I feel like if they do add the moa/elphant bird they should add the cave fossa with them

[quick ore]

you mean the giant fossa

I don't think anyone calls it the cave fossa do they?

[quick ore]

might be jumping the gun putting it in PK

[left spear]

Giant fossa is cool but there are better second malagasy animals to add

[trail ivy]

I've heard people call them Cave fossa's

[quick ore]

also it could still be alive which would be

embarassing lol

[hollow furnace]

I mean the species name is literally "Cave"

[quick ore]

oh fair

[left spear]

Yeah its a spelea lol

[flint sable]

its a weird spelling of spelea though

[left spear]

Yeah

[flint sable]

most of the time its spelaea but for whatever reason its spelled spelea

[left spear]

Same reason Thanatosdrakon is wrongly conjugated

[quick ore]

if I were to rank the RE Malagasy species I want in game the most I would go:
-Archaeoindris
-Aepyornis (w/ Mullerornis alt)
-Malagasy hippos
-Archaeolemur
-Giant Fossa
-Voay

[hollow furnace]

Really Archaeoindris above elephant bird?

[quick ore]

listen

[left spear]

Your main Archeoindris?

wait nvm im dumb

[hollow furnace]

Not disagreeing with it as a species choice but surprising

[flint sable]

I mean if any of the big lemurs were to get in it would probably be Archaeoindris since iirc it spent the most time on the ground

[left spear]

I mean

[fiery crow]

Archaeoindris would lowkey be dope, I need the gorilla lemur

[left spear]

its more unique than elephant bird

[trail ivy]

Yea

[flint sable]

Megaladapis and the other one that was even more like a sloth I forgor would be too arboreal probably

[left spear]

i can see it

[quick ore]

I KNOW that Elephant Birds are amazing as far as flightless birds go, but lemurs are emblematic of madagascar and we are much more strapped for potential primates in the game than we are for giant, flightless, herbivorous birds

of which Aepyornis is one of several

[hollow furnace]

Fair

[left spear]

Also that its the only chnace to get a lemur

[quick ore]

that and Archaeolemur

[left spear]

we are already getting a ratite

[flint sable]

I could see the smaller ones in vivarriums in theory but not likely

[left spear]

Eh

[flint sable]

but yeah out of all lemurs Archaeoindris probably got the best bet since its the biggest one and spends the most time on the floor

[hollow furnace]

I think my biggest concern with Archaeoindris is that its pretty arboreal and I doubt that'd be able to be well-done in PK

[quick ore]

beyond Archaeoindris and the baboon/monkey lemurs I don't think any other lemurs can get in the game

[left spear]

For an arboreal RE viv just go Gigarcanum

[quick ore]

and tbh any strepsirrhine in general would be pretty unlikely

[flint sable]

ig thats fair

[quick ore]

except maybe like idk, Godinotia? or some early species like that

[flint sable]

but can we even confidently say Gigarcarnum is dead

[plush nacelle]

Yes

Think about it and how much geckos are smuggled

[flint sable]

nobody has really ever looked for it and it wouldnt be the first time a very large lizard was rediscovered in new caledonia after 100+ years of not being seen

[plush nacelle]

Shit would be found by now in pet trade

[left spear]

Nah, it's actually troglobyte living under the northern mountains

[quick ore]

you bean troglodyte

[left spear]

No

troglobite, animal that lives exclusively on caves

[flint sable]

no troglodytes is humans specifically

[hollow furnace]

Is that when you live under a pile of beans

[left spear]

"A troglobite (or, formally, troglobiont) is an animal species, or population of a species, strictly bound to underground habitats, such as caves."

[quick ore]

I think the devs would find a way to work around this, the good thing is even if it was fairly arboreal it likely wouldn't have been very fast or complex in how it moved in trees and stuff I think, not like a gibbon or something

or other subfossil lemurs like palaeopropithecus

[flint sable]

thats pretty valid

geckoes are definitely more common in the pet trade than skinks

[left spear]

Anyways that extinct olm lookalike would be nice normal kingdom

[quick ore]

oh my mistake

I thought troglodyte meant you lived in caves

[left spear]

That's for humans

[quick ore]

ah

[flint sable]

although my main hypothesis with that is essentially that nobody has looked, it wouldnt be the first time a similar thing occured, and that it may live in a really hard to reach area like the tippy tops of trees

[left spear]

Tho its not really a scientific term

[quick ore]

I feel like there's a chance it is still out there

[plush nacelle]

If it was anything like family members then we are looking at absurdaly hard to do arboreal locomotion

[left spear]

More so 50's era cave man pop culture missinfo

[quick ore]

like which

[plush nacelle]

Sloths apparently

[left spear]

I'd say same than Thylacine, very unlikely but not impossible

[quick ore]

have there been papers on what Archaeoindris would have done in trees

eh

maybe in Papua

[left spear]

certainly on the more likely side of REs

[trail ivy]

The Hawaii mamo would be cool as a vivarium species.

[quick ore]

I don't think the Thylacine is still alive in Tasmania

[flint sable]

thats pretty good pick ye

[left spear]

Only place it can be really

[quick ore]

yeah

[flint sable]

hawaii has so many extinct birds that you could have like 17 DLCs with all the birds from it alone

also yknow what would be really funny

[left spear]

Tasmania is impossible esentially unless there's literally less than like 50 left

[flint sable]

imagine someone clones a thylacine and then like 2 days after the news is announced some farmer in the middle of nowhere tasmania finds a thylacine in a livetrap

[slim flare]

Sounds like they expanded the gene-pool 💪

[quick ore]

looks like poaching is back on the menu, boys

[left spear]

Very funny, someome warp reality into this please

[flint sable]

ye and even then hypothetically speaking you would have expected their numbers to have increased if they were alive still

[hollow furnace]

kill them again

[flint sable]

since presumabley all hunting of them practically ceased after 1930

[hollow furnace]

there can only be one

[flint sable]

so you would expect their numbers to increase afterwards

[hollow furnace]

Actually no, pit fight them against one another

Nature versus science

[flint sable]

since its very likely they persisted untill at least the 1940's

if they had survived the crash you would definitely expect their numbers to rise again

to a noticeable ammount

[left spear]

They all got shot for hunting elephantine cattle on 1986 i'm afraid

[plush nacelle]

No, but if it was really similar to palaeopropithecus as fossil remains indicate then it would be wonky climber with short legs and long hands doing it the way orangutans do

[eager thunder]

Yall arguing about Bison?

[quick ore]

I hate how the idea of Thylacines still living in Papua is associated with Forrest Gallante now, he wasn't the first to push the idea of it but now he is well known for believing in it

[flint sable]

actually has anyone done an EDNA study for tasmania to conclusively check

[quick ore]

despite there actually being good scientific reason to think they could still be there

[left spear]

Only fair FG take

Don't look into his other theories

[quick ore]

I'd rather they do that in Papua tbh

speaking of eDNA

[left spear]

Specially the one for Steller's, that one was horrible

[left spear]

Thylacinus

[eager thunder]

Oh modern

Lovely

[left spear]

Yeah

[eager thunder]

I’m still advocating for the Sheep

[left spear]

It's decentlish likely its still alive on papua

different species most likely tho

[eager thunder]

Tautersheep

[quick ore]

I feel like being the size of a gorilla would complicate things

[left spear]

give it like a 2% chance

[flint sable]

ye

[quick ore]

The arms were longer than the legs, but no hand or foot bones have been found for comparison with the other sloth lemurs.
hrmm, us not having their feet may complicate how arboreal they truly were

or their hands

I think there is enough leeway in how much we know about it and the range of lifestyles it could have had to make Archaeoindris work in game without an insane arboreal animation overhaul

[autumn plank]

i was thinking the same of adding macrauchenia to the game as well

[naive yoke]

It would look so amazing in this game, especially with all the detail the devs add to them

[maiden arch]

Dinosaurs

Agilisaurus, Alamosaurus, Alaskacephale, Albertosaurus/Gorgosaurus, Alioramus, Altirhinus, Amargasaurus/Bajadasaurus, Ampelosaurus, Antarctopelta, Anodontosaurus, Anzu, Aquilops, Australovenator, Austroraptor, Atrociraptor/Acheroraptor, Beipiaosaurus, Bonapartenykus, Camptosaurus, Caudipteryx, Centrosaurus, Ceratosaurus, Cetiosaurus, Chakisaurus, Chasmosaurus, Chilesaurus, Chuanqilong, Concavenator, Corythosaurus/Hypacrosaurus, Cryolophosaurus, Deinonychus, Deltadromeus, Diabloceratops, Diamantisaurus, Diplodocus, Dromaeosaurus, Einiosaurus, Elaphrosaurus, Eoraptor, Euoplocephalus, Europasaurus, Fukuisaurus, Gargoyleosaurus, Gastonia, Giganotosaurus/Mapusaurus, Gigantoraptor, Giraffititan, Glacialisaurus, Gryposaurus, Guanlong, Halszkaraptor, Herrerasaurus, Heterodontosaurus, Huayangosaurus, Hypsilophodon, Ichthyovenator, Irritator, Jakapil, Jiangjunosaurus, Jinzhousaurus, Kelumapusaura, Kentrosaurus, Kosmoceratops, Kunbarrasaurus, Leptoceratops, Lesothosaurus, Loaningotitan, Liliensternus, Lythronax, Magyarosaurus, Maiasaura, Majungasaurus/Rajasaurus, Mamenchisaurus, Masiakasaurus, Massospondylus, Megalosaurus, Megapnosaurus, Megaraptor, Miragaia, Monolophosaurus, Morrosaurus, Nanotyrannus, Nanuqsaurus, Neovenator, Nigersaurus, Noasaurus, Nothronychus, Olorotitan, Ornithomimus/Struthiomimus, Orodromeus, Patagosaurus, Pelecanimimus, Pentaceratops, Piatnitskysaurus, Pinacosaurus, Polcanthus, Prenocephale, Rapetosaurus, Rhabdodon/Zalmoxes, Rugops, Saltasaurus, Sarahsaurus, Saurolophus, Sauropelta, Sauroposeidon, Scutellosaurus, Segnosaurus, Shantungosaurus, Shunosaurus, Sinoceratops, Sinosauropteryx, Skorpiovenator, Stegoceras, Stegouros, Stenonychosaurus, Struthiosaurus, Suchomimus, Tanycolagreus, Tarchia, Tenontosaurus, Therizinosaurus, Thescleosaurus/Parksosaurus, Tsintaosaurus, Tuojiangosaurus, Udanoceratops, Wannanosaurus, Wuerhosaurus, Yangchuanosaurus/Sinraptor, Yinlong, Yutyrannus, Zuniceratops
Elasmaria
Titanosauria
Troodontidae

[tulip umbra]

As long as you have Stegouros its a good list 👍

[coarse inlet]

there are other freshwater plesiosaurs

[hard elbow]

This would genuinely be the ideal scenario from a conservation perspective

Significant boost to genetic diversity not likely to be gained otherwise

You have one individual who's cloned from extinct individuals and has been out of the general pool for decades, and one individual who came from a population inevitably low in diversity but probably distant from the cloned specimen

[hard elbow]

Nah see that's what you'd think but I imagine it's probably the opposite

Crested geckos were thought to be extinct for like a fucking century

And it was only after their rediscovery that they ended up in the pet trade and became prolific

The issue with the new caledonian geckos is that they're so fucking cryptic you basically need to already know exactly what you're looking for

And gigarcanum is a species where we don't even know what fucking island to start with

Let alone where specifically

The DNA evidence suggests new Caledonia but there's some possibility it existed on New Zealand

The thing with smuggling is that it doesn't often lead to the discovery of new things, but instead occurs in response

Nepenthes pongoides wasn't poached until after it's scientific discovery and description

because 1, nobody knew where to look, and 2, the value dramatically increases once something is formally recognized/has name value

Imo gigarcanum is probably the single most likely popular/charismatic "recently extinct" animal to be still alive

Not that I don't want it in PK for that reason, but I think it's got way more going for it than most do

[quick ore]

pig footed bandicoots and other random "extinct" small australian mammals:

[median relic]

image_fossa

[lean hound]

Deltadromeus and Atrociraptor

[low bridge]

I pray for Stegotetrabelodon as Ultimate Elephant for the game

[hollow flower]

I am quite fond of Stegotetrabelodon

[low bridge]

Stegotetrabelodon is Neatiest elephant besides Platybelodon and Elephant relative Arsinoitherium

[cosmic cosmos]

@low bridge what are your top picks for aussie mammals?

[desert flame]

For Australian mammals, I'd like Procoptodon, Thylacoleo, Diprotodon, and the Thylacine that will be added in the post-release DLC.

[low bridge]

Procoptodon, Diprotodon, Thylacoleo, Palorchestes

[reef relic]

It's a pretty safe guess for those first 3. Unless one of those animals makes it in the base-game, an AUS DLC is probably gonna have all three of them.

If it's an AUS DLC and not specific to a time period, I'd put my money on Australovenator, Diprotodon, Thylacoleo, Procoptodon, and maybe Koolasuchus as a vivarium animal.

Megalania & Quinkana are pretty likely choices as well, though I'd imagine Megalania might be limited to the largest vivarium as well.

[hollow furnace]

Megalnia I think is pretty plausible as a full exhibit

[reef relic]

Thylacoleo might need climbing frames or an overhauled climbing system to really shine in-game, so it might be less likely.

[hollow furnace]

It doesn't really have any locomotion or ontogeny constraints

[reef relic]

That's a good point

Given how little they might move though

I'd say it's like, 50/50 they end up being habitat or vivarium animals.

Maybe 60/40

[ancient ibex]

Remember that a meter long mammal is generally far larger than a meter long dinosaur

[left spear]

And defenetly larger than a 1 meter long reptile

Mammals are just much more vertical and compacted

[shell sonnet]

That's why SVL exists as a measurement

[tulip umbra]

Since when is that criteria for vivaria? Even if Megalania or Thylacoleo (idk which one ur talking abt) doesnt move much, they more than large enough for free habitats

[shell sonnet]

Everything should be put in vivariums for now on; less work for the devs so we get more faster.

[mint creek]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-true-smiling-friends-tru-gif-6260607178092796548

[lean hound]

That's a pretty silly reason tbh

[cosmic cosmos]

monitor lizards are extremely active. when at their ideal temps they get close to some mammals

i will be squamate EZ

[ancient ibex]

And even then that doesn't measure mass or volume

[reef relic]

Also my reasoning lol

If we had lifecycle stuff for vivarium animals I'd be saying put Thylacoleo in there. You can have it climbing all over the place without needing to rework the current foliage to support a climbing system.

[low bridge]

Do u guys think that we need African Pleistocene Megafauna??

[short rover]

No

We don’t need it

[low bridge]

We don't need it, we deserve it

[short rover]

Lmao

[low bridge]

What is so funny

Pleistocene Africa was the weirdest place

[median relic]

more like miocene and pliocene tbh

[ancient ibex]

I mean Madagascar is often counted as Africa, and there is cool stuff there

[median relic]

and yeah if you count madagascar sure

[ancient ibex]

Euthecodon is IMO the best Pleistocene African potential addition

[slim flare]

Clearly you’ve never been to South America or Australia

[low bridge]

What about Deinotherium??

Stegotetrabelodon

Sivatherium

Agriotherium

[ancient ibex]

Those are mostly Pliocene

[feral cedar]

African Pleistocene megafauna is full of extant animals, and if not, extinct relatives that look a lot like still-living animals. By far, it is one of the least ideal groups of animals to add to the game

There’s a reason Prehistoric Planet went so far back for Enhydriodon in the singular mainland Africa segment

[quick ore]

yeah Pleistocene africa ain't it, and Agriotherium is a weak species too

like was said before most of those species are from before the Pleistocene too

[feral cedar]

Cenozoic Africa doesn’t have the best additions from roughly the Pliocene onwards

[quick ore]

it makes sense that Pleistocene Africa isn't a necessary time and place to have representation from since Africa is the most unscathed continent in the present day in terms of megafaunal extinctions and most of what was around in the Pleistocene is still alive today

[quick ore]

Madagascar, South America, and Australia were way weirder during the Pleistocene. Africa had long since stopped being an isolated landmass by the Pleistocene

[feral cedar]

Deinotherium, Sivatherium, Moeritherium, and Arsinoitherium

[shell sonnet]

You said Madagascar twice

[feral cedar]

That’s how weird it is

[quick ore]

whoops

my bad

[feral cedar]

Even then Madagascar isn’t that crazy. Aepyornis and Archaeoindris, that’s basically it

[quick ore]

Cenozoic Africa has a lot of good options, just not from the Pleistocene except for species that evolved in early time periods and perisisted into it like Deinotherium

[quick ore]

an island where the top mammalian predators are large mongooses, the only ungulates are hippos, and lemurs have as much diversity as the rest of primates around the world is nothing to sneeze at

wait are you saying that's it as species to add or that's it being those are the only interesting species

[feral cedar]

To add

[quick ore]

oh ok nvm

yeah I would say to add you basically have Aepyornis/Mullerornis, Archaeoindris, and the hippos

and maybe Archaeolemur

[median relic]

understatement of the millennia

[median relic]

I could do without the hippos but they're neat I guess

but you can totally do megaladapis and voay as well

[shell sonnet]

Megaladapis would need to be a a viviarium animal, it's got a very arboreal lifestyle

[shell sonnet]

Is it really a lie if he believes it

[coarse inlet]

how is a giant death panda weak?

[ancient ibex]

Simocyon fits that description better than the bear whose closest living relative is the panda-like bear🙃

[low bridge]

I belive in Toxodon

[low bridge]

Cap

[quick ore]

how is it cap

[quick ore]

with arctotherium/arctodus likely coming and cave bears already being in game it feels a bit unnecessary

[plush nacelle]

Imo giant death panda is weak, because fame come from being related to famous living animal

[ancient ibex]

Again, the better panda is Simocyon, which is an actual panda and not a panda-mimicking bear

And it is pretty much "large musteloid" anyway

Parallel cat/marten

[left spear]

Huh

Neat cat

[low bridge]

I need Cookie Cutter Cat

[desert flame]

I hope they add South American mammals in addition to Toxodon. I'm also hopeful that Megatherium may appear in Update 19.

[feral cedar]

It’s very interesting to consider that the term “panda” only applied to red pandas before

[ancient ibex]

That's why "panda bear" is a better name than "giant panda", will die on that hill lol

[hollow furnace]

Counter point, panda means bamboo eater and it is a giant bamboo eater

[ancient ibex]

Bamboo eater bear

[feral cedar]

The bamboo bear

[coarse inlet]

???

[ancient ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/red-pandae-gif-26650288

Actual panda

[feral cedar]

TL;DR the term "panda" was coined up and used for 40 years to refer to the red panda, until it also started being used for the black and white bamboo-loving bear. However, the giant panda eventually became known as simply "panda" and the term "red panda" was coined up for the original panda

[peak hazel]

didn't know that

[quick ore]

reminds me of how "urchin" was an old name for hedgehogs which is how sea urchins got their name but we don't call hedgehogs urchins anymore so sea urchins are also just called urchins lol

[peak hazel]

hedgehog is the better name

[low bridge]

Will Syncerus Antiqqus Fit in game???

Or Pelorovis

[quick ore]

fit how?

Like, aesthetically? I guess they could, but they don't feel especially likely to get added either. Pelorovis is more likely probably since it's an extinct genera and I doubt we will get more representatives of living genera besides Bos, Equus, and Crocuta

[plush nacelle]

Varanus

[ancient ibex]

The most iconic Pelorovis species is the one that got reassigned to Syncerus fwiw

[coarse inlet]

contrarianism isnt productive

[ancient ibex]

Literally learned the name of the black and white bear as "panda bear"

[quick ore]

FUCK

[quick ore]

oh damn ok

sorry Varanus

[plush nacelle]

I guess hippopotamus could be alright with dwarf species

Ever reliable hieraaetus

[quick ore]

FUCK i forgot the malagasy hippos too 😭

[ancient ibex]

Malta expansion, the good one

[low bridge]

I want to see Hippo Gorgops/Antiqqus

In game one day

[mint creek]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-me-too-kid-incredibles-gif-19919940

[low bridge]

Im not a kid

Stop

[shell sonnet]

Oh I still do; there's no better word for a jobless, pantsless bum like Sonic

[quick ore]

it's just a gif

[quick ore]

lmaoooo the fact that this is canon is killing me

Sega mandates that Sonic is canonically homeless

[shell sonnet]

It's his fault for being so careless with money. The blue rat runs into a Roomba and then somehow drops all his gold.

[silver steeple]

Alright there Dr. Eggman

[shell sonnet]

What can I say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QuNPqMGPeU

[wary nacelle]

Guys hear me out

We should add extinct dinosaurs

And and

Extinct mammals

And and

Extinct reptiles

[flint sable]

no, horn too big

wouldnt fit in the door

[steep tulip]

That's why hoplitomeryx is the goat!!

GRAAAAHAHA 🔥 🔥 🔥

[inner wedge]

you're getting too far with these ridiculous suggestions

[steep tulip]

Fr

Ceratotherium is an underrated pick

[wary nacelle]

Sorry…

https://tenor.com/view/taraterrorful-tara-terrorful-cute-cat-cat-sad-cat-gif-4503999093402539113

[hollow flower]

Would Deinogalerix be a vivarium or exhibit creature?

[steep tulip]

Vivarium probably

[shell sonnet]

100 % vivarium

[quick ore]

yeah, vivarium

would be a damn good viv species too

[left spear]

It's very on the bigger side of vivs but yeah viv fits best

[quick ore]

I think its babies would be too small

[steep tulip]

I want my gnarly hedgehog thing...

[quick ore]

to be exhibit I mean

mini update with Deinogalerix as a viv species and Candiacervus as an exhibit species

[dull aurora]

would equus giganteus be a good addition

[slim flare]

It’s dubious

[dull aurora]

Oh damn

I didn't even know that

😔

[slim flare]

Tooth taxon

[dull aurora]

any sort of extinct horse would be cool imo

[eager thunder]

Me when cool ass animal ceases to exist:[

[slim flare]

Quagga and wild horse are confirmed for recently extinct DLC

[eager thunder]

Quagga

Would be neat

[dull aurora]

they keep smiting the animals

[dull aurora]

Peak

[eager thunder]

At least the Stygy still lives

The Demon of the Styx reins again

[slim flare]

Not Nanotyrannus 💪

[eager thunder]

Nanotyrannus surviving of all taxon is wild

[dull aurora]

kelenken would lowkey be a goated addition
or even gastornis

[steep tulip]

True

[eager thunder]

I still hope and pray for the Mega Penguin

[dull aurora]

this how we all feeling when mega penguin gets added

[quick ore]

Gastornis wasn't a terror bird

[eager thunder]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ1MCjb7pYMYgYRsBpE2OmWzTbR6IryQk3YpWyGEWXckbxIxq2ixqQXY7IJntfDpLJcH5DUlmMcoOb_fORTBzeCc2aI__VKpkGvlzFr6ZmCPg&s=10 mega penguin my beloved

[quick ore]

wasn't even carnivorous

[eager thunder]

Cool name tho

[dull aurora]

I didn't call it one

I just said it would be cool to add

[eager thunder]

Like a Vegan named Butcher or something

[quick ore]

oh i thought the pic was related

[dull aurora]

it's fine

The reason I like gastornis is cause it's a herbivore actually

[flint sable]

big duc

[eager thunder]

Mega Penguin getting mauled to death by a bunch of velociraptors

Marks the only time that’s ever happened ever

[eager thunder]

We already have Deinocheirus

[dull aurora]

I really wanna see some sort of flying large animal in pk but I don't think that's possible considering the current way the enclosures and aviaries are

[eager thunder]

I don’t think Mega Penguins flew

[dull aurora]

lowkey I was just saying the first thing that came to mind while thinking of birds

[left spear]

They fly, they just use a different substance than air.

[eager thunder]

Swim

[dull aurora]

would dwarf pronghorn be a good addition
it may be too small

[left spear]

What is swimming if not fluid flight

[eager thunder]

Swimming

In water

[left spear]

ah my bad for the typo, what is Swimming in water if not fluid flight

[eager thunder]

Seeing as flying came after flying is actually just sky swimming

[left spear]

hmmmmmmm

Is it all not just matter levitation in the end?

[eager thunder]

Levitation implies a lack of effort

[left spear]

Well penguins do not abide by the laws of physics so i doubt it takes them effort when they levitate

idk tho i'm not a penguinologist

[eager thunder]

You know if mega penguins do get added I hope they implement gay penguin relationships

In real life penguins of the same sex tend to adopt abandoned baby penguins

Real phenomenon

[quick ore]

my most wanted pronghorn is Tetrameryx

[dull aurora]

I love tetrameryx lowkey it looks so cool

[quick ore]

fr

[silver steeple]

Silly beast

The fact that Pronghorns used to be so diverse is hella slept on imo

[slim flare]

North America’s endemic antelope

[flint sable]

especially earlier

4 genera by the late pleistocene is pretty respectable though

I think

[slim flare]

4 genera, 4 species

[flint sable]

Tetrameryx Capromeryx Stokoceras Antillocapra

iirc there was also a second Antillocapra species

from that time

pacificum

[slim flare]

It’s not really justified afaik

[flint sable]

ah

[slim flare]

Just like that one bighorn sheep

[ancient dagger]

So if Palaeoloxodon comes to PK post-EA, which smaller species would be the best bet?

I'm either thinking P. falconeri or P. mnaidriensis

[flint sable]

falconeri

even then idk if a small species is particularly likely

on top of being extremely small

the proportions were incredibly weird too

the smaller species were basically built like a daschund

at least compared to the larger ones

very stubby legs even proportional to body size

almost built like a hippo or a cow

[frosty heron]

Old post EA list had something along the lines of Paleoloxodon (Large and small species) so its on the radar I think

but that indeed may cause problems

[frosty heron]

oh that is weird

[quick ore]

imagine how sad it would be if zero pronghorns made it to the modern day

them still being here with us is something to be happy about imo

[median glen]

I'm gonna suggest something if you guys promise not to be mad at it

[hollow furnace]

don't worry, we'll be mad at it

[eager thunder]

I got dogpilled over a extinct domestic sheep

[toxic oriole]

How about an extinct dog breed? Oh wait, whats the point?
Unless you're wanting to sell the extinct dog breeds and give em to people as pets

[proper raven]

the extinct dog called Aenocyon dirus:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/265428919006527499/1184352353382572102/IMG_5638.png?ex=69326095&is=69310f15&hm=f3fa5aeacf76c94f15b424a498f2125388e2fd3673f73e3e5029935dfec1af18&

[eager thunder]

Swan necked seal

[median relic]

this image feels very exaggerated

[slim flare]

Ankylorhiza

[low bridge]

I want 4 moa species

In Peak Kingdom

Heavy Footed, Crested, Little Bush Moa

And Upland Moa

As Alternative species

Dinornis Novozealandae/Robustus

Also

And we will be Happy with it

Moas are life guysssss

[left spear]

Top 3 on my cetacean list

Aquatics ones anyway

[ancient ibex]

Now that JWE is getting it, it is a good time to point out Hypsilophodon is cool and deserves love

[steep tulip]

I feel like for PK is much easier to make animals stand out between eachother, both drsign wise and behavior wise

[shell sonnet]

Agreed

More Wessex animals

[amber field]

indie creative game vs licensed game

[shell sonnet]

Being serious; Hypsi, Polcanthus (as a Gastonia alt) are on my wish list. Neovenator would be a nice addition as well.

[ancient ibex]

Seeing how the Weald series is quite equivalent with Las Hoyas, Pelecanimimus and Concavenator would compliment those as well

Giving Dryosaurus extra skins to work as its relatives from Tanzania, England and Niger would be neat as well

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, Dysalotosaurus would have been a nicce Dryo alt

And Pelecanimimus is a must have given how different it is from other Ornithomimids.

[feral cedar]

Yeah, Blue Meridian needs to show Frontier how it's done

[ancient ibex]

The Hypsilophodon there is quite fine tho, despite the overblown reaction lol

[ancient ibex]

Not even an Ornithomimid, quite often found more distant to them than Deinocheirus; lil' aberrant early dude

[shell sonnet]

You're right, I meant to type Ornithomimsaur

[ancient ibex]

Ah sorry, I just want to make sure the animal is not just a weird Gallimimus

[slim flare]

I hope PPl increased the chance of including Psilopterus

Would make a great 1 star bird for the Cenozoic that isn’t recently extinct

[hollow flower]

True

Would Genyornis be a 1 star or a 2 star?

[shell sonnet]

0-star

[hollow flower]

[low bridge]

Sivatherium should be 10 star species

[steep tulip]

Hoplitomeryx 100 stars

[short rover]

I shudder to think how many stars arsinoitherium would be

[shell sonnet]

probably 3

[steep tulip]

Procoptodon will have negative one

Mf so ugly you have to pay guests to watch it

[shell sonnet]

All Australian animals should have their star value inverted

[slim flare]

2

It’s big

[steep tulip]

Genius

[slim flare]

250–350 kilograms

[silver steeple]

Nah just the stars themselves are upside down

[low bridge]

90 Stars

[steep tulip]

Still less than hoplitomeryx #nooticing

[lean hound]

That's a nazi dogwhistle

[steep tulip]

What this means

[quick ore]

shift is right "noticing" is a nazi dogwhistle

[quick ore]

you don't know what a dogwhistle is?

[steep tulip]

Its like secret "messages" used in politics or something akin to that

[quick ore]

no

it's not conspiracy theory stuff

[steep tulip]

But I'm not noticing, I'm nooticing

[lean hound]

They’re both dogwhistles

Tomato tomato

[quick ore]

again this is just piggybacking off of nazi stuff

[inner wedge]

sir this is a #1058571396751564810 keep politics of any kind for yourself

[quick ore]

a dogwhistle is a term that when used cues in those who are in the know about what using said term actually means but it isn't explicit enough that you can't explain it away via plausible deniability

think about how an actual dogwhistle is silent to humans but audible to dogs

a dogwhistle as in what we are describing is something that can be overlooked/go under the radar to the average person but to nazis they understand that it is used to make other nazis aware of each other and push forward their messages

[steep tulip]

I get it that's enough

[quick ore]

the "patterns" that people who post like this are pointing out are anti-semitic ones, like they will say they are "noticing" when something bad happens that involves jewish people in power

[tulip umbra]

What have my eyes just witnessed

[quick ore]

also this meme is making fun of schizophrenia which is pretty bad

[steep tulip]

I just knew about this meme though anime agenda posting
But thanks anyway for letting me know

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/friend-too-woke-stan-twt-that-one-friend-that's-too-woke-woke-friend-tiktok-gif-14068475383577544391

[quick ore]

excuse me?

[inner wedge]

bro dont worry it's just a generic phrase, it can go with any context

[quick ore]

? no it isn't

[steep tulip]

I mean the fact that it was created by nazi dwellers is pretty bad

[quick ore]

yeah this isn't nothing

I'm not saying the word "noticing" is a dogwhistle in and of itself

im saying the way it is used like this is

[inner wedge]

ivy you're kinda overreacting nobody is doing any dogswhistles of any kind

[quick ore]

i'm not accusing angery of being a nazi

i was just saying he was unintentionally using a dogwhistle

[steep tulip]

Tbh I don't think most people are aware because I've seen it used all over the place

[tulip umbra]

Tf is this convo

[inner wedge]

politics (aka brainrot)

[tulip umbra]

Move on

[steep tulip]

Nothing wrong about educating about this sorta stuff idk

No one getting heated over this

[quick ore]

yeah like, pointing this out isn't brainrot?

no clue what that means

[median glen]

I'm glad to know honestly

I'm gonna make a suggestion now

Species

[inner wedge]

hell yeah

[median glen]

It's a marsupial but he can't jump

[tulip umbra]

Im guessing Phascolonus gigas

[median glen]

No, he has a big tail

[steep tulip]

Palorchestes

[median glen]

But not arboreal

[steep tulip]

Procoptodon

[median glen]

And he was not on the last season of PHP

Last clue

[steep tulip]

The other giant kangaroo

No wait

Thylacine

[tulip umbra]

Macropus Titan?

[steep tulip]

Yes
But it probably jumped

So it can't be that one

Tbh thylacine could as well

[tulip umbra]

Zygomaturus perhaps

[steep tulip]

We will never know ig

[true pivot]

After seeing the backlash to JWE not having crocs in their new update, I've reversed my position. This is a market inefficiency PK must exploit

Bring on the crocs. Deinosuchus. Sarcosuchus. Purussaurus. Let's get crazy and add Barinasuchus while we're at it

[fiery crow]

Deinosuchus is speculated.

[tulip umbra]

Theres so many cool and unique species we could make Crocodile Kingdom

[coarse inlet]

my 10 species pseudosuchia wishlist:

• Desmatosuchus
• Postosuchus
• Poposaurus
• Lotosaurus
• Sillosuchus
• Prestosuchus
• Kaprosuchus
• Sarcosuchus
• Deinosuchus
• Dentaneosuchus

[quick ore]

Why Dentaneosuchus specifically?

[coarse inlet]

it's similar size to Barinasuchus but more complete and from a fun geographical location

I guess "more complete" is subjective but it has postcrania which makes size easier to determine

pain and suffering on planet earth

[quick ore]

tbh this makes me substantially less mad than when valuable fossil material is prepped off on purpose

[coarse inlet]

true it just hurts, it's not enraging just a bummer

[quick ore]

yeah

here's hoping we get new material in the future

[mental goblet]

This dinosaur would lowkey be fire and no it's not godzillasaurus

[proper raven]

too bad it jumps back and forth as a coelophysoid or a dilophosaurid

and also its validity is contested since some argue its Coelophysis but big

[steep tulip]

Dentaneosuchus is pretty weird apparently
The head was like around 70% bigger than in other sebecosuchians relative to its body once you scale the material correctly afaik
I remember someone pointing it out it might actually be a chimera
Imo barinasuchus is the better option because we have close relatives to fill in the gaps (like sebecus)
Terrible that the rest of barina holotype is still unearthed somewhere

There's also an undescribed sebecid skull that looks crazy good, but undescribed

[left spear]

I mean we know where It is

Problem is getting the goverment to agree to unpave the area

[steep tulip]

We do? Thought they forgot the location lol

If we do get a sebecosuchian, I really hope the devs won't just slap crocodiles features onto them and experiment with scutes and scales arrangement

[abstract compass]

i would assume that they would have similar features

[steep tulip]

Same goes with other crocodylomorphs

[abstract compass]

but im not very familiar with sebecids other than thinking they are really cool.

[steep tulip]

They are pretty distantly related from crocodilians
They are closer to simosuchus and other terrestrial crocs

They are also a pretty old lineage, I believe they appeared in the jurassic

[abstract compass]

maybe AD knows.

[steep tulip]

They prob had similar features, but a lot of adaptations crocs have are for their aquatic lifestyle, and too often I see those traits just slapped on the whole lineage
Colors and patterns wise too

[steep tulip]

Yeah he probably knows better on this lol

[abstract compass]

would be interesting if they kept somewhat the same style but made it more rugged looking for terrestrial life

i do wish for one for PK one day

[steep tulip]

Barinasuchus one of my most requested animals
But I'm fine with others too

[abstract compass]

Barina is the obvious choice when it comes down to it.

second to it is Dentaneosuchus to have some more european content

was shocked to hear those were also in Europe at one point in time.

[steep tulip]

Also something I've noticed with split eye pupils too
Eyes in tetrapods all work the same, the shape of the eye is unrelated to how closely related 2 animals are and more on what its lifestyle is
Like you don't give smilodon split pupils because cats have them

[steep tulip]

It seems like they evolved from there

Latest living mesozoic known sebecosuchian is from spain

Ogresuchus I believe

[abstract compass]

[left spear]

Nope the built a road on top of It (what are the chances smh)

[eager thunder]

What dinosaur superfamily’s aren’t portrayed in PK yet?

Curious

[median glen]

Abelisaurs

[eager thunder]

Is that the one with Albertasaurus in it?

[shell sonnet]

Carnotaurus

Ceratosaurs in general

Don't have a rep

But Carnotaurus is coming

[eager thunder]

I mean you can’t really have Allosaurus without Ceratosaurs /j

[median glen]

Majungasaurus

Rajasaurus

Carnotaurus

[shell sonnet]

Look we don't missing reps for the following "superfamilies":
Ceratosaurs (inlcuding Noasaurs and Abelisaurs)
Stegosaurs
Alvarezsauroid
Therizinosaurians
Saltasauroid

[ancient ibex]

Troodonts

Enants

Hesperorns

Ichthyorns

Paleognaths

[shell sonnet]

Plus non-super familes like
Pachycephalosaurs
Mamenchisaurid
Heterodontosaurid
Thescelosaurid
Rebbachisaurid
Dicraeosaurid

[ancient ibex]

Galloansars

Pelagorns

Yeah birds are fucking diverse lol

Plenty of cool extinct ones that could work

As far as terrestrial birds go, Gastorns, Phororhacids, moas, elephant birds and dodos would be cool

Presbyorns may require vivariums?

The Malta giant swan could be cool if we get smol Palaeoloxodon and Hippopotamus

[shell sonnet]

Kind of like to know what was up with Bathornis and Paracrax. If they actually were flightless, they'd be great adds for White River

[buoyant zenith]

Can I ask which stegosaur species you guys would want to see aside from Stegosaurus, obviously?

I would love Kentrosaurus and Gigantspinosaurus.

[shell sonnet]

Kentro, Miragaia Longicollum, Huayango, Tuojiango, Gigantspino

In that order

[ancient ibex]

The falconeri duo would be fun ngl

Annakacygna in its full ultimate bird glory could be neat, but I'd say it is sorta vivarium coded? Still flightless tho

[feral cedar]

Gastornis/Diatryma
Kelenken+Titanis
Psilopterus
Giant Moa
Aepyornis
Dodo

peak terrestrial bird roster imo

[steep tulip]

add talpanas and sylviornis and you got a deal

[hollow flower]

Id add Dromornis in there

[steep tulip]

oh true

[ancient ibex]

Great auk please

Oh wait terrestrial my bad

[low bridge]

Add Andalgalornis

[ancient ibex]

Ornimegalonyx

[low bridge]

People don't like it

[coarse inlet]

what

it's the coolest thing ever

[runic tiger]

Mothman my beloved

[low bridge]

Besides Birds,we have felids like Smilodon, Pantheras so i must have to say that Dinocrocuta/Pachycrocuta/ Cave Hyena would Fit in game

[shell sonnet]

It'd be vivarium (and shouldn't replace the Dodo) but Natunaornis gigoura aka Fiji giant ground pigeon

[ancient ibex]

Rodriguez solitaire may work as a dodo alt perhaps?

Narwhaler put together a neat diagram

[shell sonnet]

The only question about the Dodo is whether it's big enough for full habitat; it's at that blurry dividing line

(I think it is, but I wouldn't shocked if it was put in the vivarium)

[steep tulip]

its taller than velociraptor isnt it?

[lean hound]

A dodo in a vivarium would be pretty lame imho

[steep tulip]

or around the same height

[ancient ibex]

I believe it works as a full habitat; body is about as large as Leaellyna, and squab would be big enough

[eager thunder]

I wonder if a Dodo could be pet

Petting zoo attraction

[shell sonnet]

They seem territorial, so no

[left spear]

Aren't the territorial reports from the later stages of the colony

[eager thunder]

I thought the whole thing with Dodos was they had no self preservation instincts and never ran away from hunters?

[shell sonnet]

I don't know the details, birds seem to be a bit more aggressive to me than mammals in general, and the beak looks dangerous.

[left spear]

Oh i mean i agree they wouldn't be good petting attractions

[eager thunder]

The whole reason Dodos went extinct was because they had no natural predators and never fought back when they were being hunted en mass?

[shell sonnet]

They lost because of pigs and rats

[left spear]

But i wouldn't trust much a couple of reports, iirc those were on the later stages of the cohabitation so they probably were stressed, unhealthy and sick individuals

Not really a good indicator for the species' behavior

[eager thunder]

Would any animals be decent for a petting zoo?

[left spear]

Trilobites

[shell sonnet]

Variants on modern petting zoo animals

[left spear]

But petting zoos just aren't a good idea except for domestic animals

Oh hey maybe your sheep would fit there

[plush nacelle]

Dodo honestly would be decent petting zoo animal

There are plenty crackshit species out there

And it works

[left spear]

Ehhh

[shell sonnet]

Cocaine Dodo?

[left spear]

Some kid is gonna get a bloody eye from a pecking after throwing themselves on top of it

[eager thunder]

YES

TAURTERSHEEP SWEEP

[left spear]

Are there any nice Caprids? Besides Myotragus

[plush nacelle]

For instance I dont think dodo would be more fierce than a geese and there are some places where people can pet emus, kangaroos, porcupines and even monkeys lmao

[shell sonnet]

That sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen

[eager thunder]

Again, didn’t they all go extinct for the opposite reasons?

[left spear]

The fact the safest animal there is probably the emu is very funny

[left spear]

Not really, human hunting was a smallish factor, It was mostly invasives and probably disease

[plush nacelle]

There is one interesting thing regarding petting zoos and walkthrough enclosures

[eager thunder]

I remember being told all my life the reason they went extinct is because they had no natural predators so when humans came along we hunted them into extinction

[plush nacelle]

Apparently in europe and asia these are more common, because guests are simply more well-behaved

[ancient ibex]

That's the solitaire I believe?

[left spear]

People also say Pandas are unfit to survive on the wild and are exclusively kept alive by humans so...

[shell sonnet]

It's said to be the more aggressive of the two, but that doesn't mean the dodo wasn't

[left spear]

Pseudo-intellectualism is rampant with nature

[left spear]

Yeah there also also aggresive dodo reports

[eager thunder]

I guess this is another case of different first hand accounts

[left spear]

Then again Dodos probably weren't aggresive if in healthy unnestressed conditions

Also that

Trust an account from a dutch captain that only heard It from his illiterate cleaning crewmate

[plush nacelle]

If not for petting, dodo definitely would be suitable for walkthrough type enclosures tho

[left spear]

That yeah

Small fence is all you need

Unlike with psittaco they're not gonna take your fingers off so the 1m fence is stupid

[plush nacelle]

Not even fence. Same deal as with other walkthroughs where people are simply ought to respect animal.

[shell sonnet]

Those beaks were used for defense, I wouldn't trust that near a person

[left spear]

You think they would

Unless you have someone posted there 24/7

[left spear]

They would hurt but there's no risk of mutilation unlike with psittaco or proto

Irl zoos have walkthrougs of similar "danger"

Which isn't much

[plush nacelle]

I think psittaco could work with rules and guest respecting them

[left spear]

I'm 100% sure on the first year of the exhibit oponing someone would try to abduct one to either eat It or keep It as a pet

[ancient ibex]

I mean, capybaras and beavers can be dangerous, in the finger removal sense

[shell sonnet]

And if said person is a child

[left spear]

They don't do that with regular zoos you think they're gonna do It on a paleo one

[eager thunder]

“You must be 16+ to enter Prehistoric Kingdom” moment

[plush nacelle]

If this was the case walkthrough enclosures wouldnt exist, but again this is apparently american thing lmao

[left spear]

Castoroides petting zoo is the natural option then

[shell sonnet]

I mean all this is irrelevant because the devs can do what they want but I think in general there really aren't a lot of good petting zoo options to make it worth the time and effort

[left spear]

Do i have to reminds you about the tiger incident, people are stupid and think "surely the animal will understand me and not maul me"

[left spear]

Yeah, trilobites are the only ones truly suited (ig something like Meiolania maybe aswell) and even then i would greatly fear for the animal's health

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, disease traveling from guests to animal (and vice versa) is always a concern

[left spear]

Not even that

Just physical harm

People would press the fuck out of trilobites

Let's not even Talk about someone being ideotic enough to pick one up

[eager thunder]

Touch tank scene from finding dory

[left spear]

Nuralugus exhibit opening (Circa 2029)

[limber needle]

hope we get titanophoneus

[shell sonnet]

I have it on the Permian want list; Anteosaurus's post-cranial is based on Titano's so they'd work as alts

[steep tulip]

I wonder what's the best choice when it comes to depict their integument

[hollow furnace]

Hot pink feathers

[steep tulip]

Peak I fear

We need to be #woke and stay up with the times

[left spear]

Honestly i'm down for a slightly fuzzed Anteo skin

Same with Ino

[steep tulip]

This depiction lowkey cursed

[hollow furnace]

seasons greasons

[ancient ibex]

Reminder that Douglas Dixon was actually given that postcard back in TetZooCon 2022 lol

[lean hound]

Lion dinocephalian in a snowy environment.. interesting choice

[alpine thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/herta-walking-away-hsr-herta-hsr-herta-walking-away-gif-16611123449494783468

As for the synapsids noted, smooth patterned skin is most likely for them as I recall.

[shell sonnet]

I don't remember reading the Beaufort Group ever being snowy

[steep tulip]

I agree
Tho I don't find hairy depictions necessarily bad, in this case the very mammal like anatomy doesn't help lol

[toxic oriole]

Yeah Lilliensternus is sorta this but NOT dubious or something

[outer moth]

Yknow it'd be cool if we domesticated Dodos

[toxic oriole]

... Then again, seems like Gojirasaurus and Lilliensternus are similar in size, even if Gojirasaurus is dubious or something like that so maybe I could see Gojirasaurus being an alt for Lilliensternus, though thats unlikely

[amber field]

they said that it taste is bad

so I don't think would be used on any purpose

[outer moth]

Knowing their territoriality, one could breed em to protect poultry

[hollow flower]

Poultry protecting poultry

[outer moth]

Not rlly a new concept

But the guard birds we have are limited to geese

[silver steeple]

Not entirely true

Roosters are very good at protecting their flock

[outer moth]

Yeah but not against all threats

[silver steeple]

No animal is

[outer moth]

All that are encountered, at least

[amber field]

yeah , but most domesticated animals who used in the protect livestock as there secondary purpose , like donkeys and lamas except dogs of course

[silver steeple]

That's why we have like 10 different animals bred for guarding

[outer moth]

With a beak like that, even a bear would think twice before trying a flock of dodos

I mean that's in assumption that ppl would theoretically breed these dodos to be bigger and stronger

(and breed a more omnivorous diet into em for easier feeding)

Either way

They might've been intelligent enough to breed, given the chance

Though that part is foggy to me

As a secondary, one could eat em

Now I know what yall are thinking

But hear me out

I'm pretty sure only the dutch tried eating dodos

And the opinions of one european colonialist nation doesn't exactly define all of dodokind as inedible

They just didn't know how to make it right

[proper raven]

it just tastes shit without mega seasonings

[outer moth]

I mean shit so do most other gamey meats

Doesn't mean you can't marinade it somehow

I'm sure that there is a right way to cook dodo

Without making it taste like shit

We just never unlocked it

I mean shit if one can cook a crow n make it good

I have confidence ppl would've found a use for dodos

It's just the dutch found em first

If the british found em first, it'd be a whole nother story

[proper raven]

mmmyes the national British dish, dodo tikka masala

[outer moth]

Yeah
Look if they can cook eels somehow n make em edible
Then they coulda made dodos edible somehow too

And most eels literally have poisonous blood

[proper raven]

im just making a joke that the British's national dish is made by an Indian person

[outer moth]

Yeah it's kinda ironic

But respect to those who make eels taste good

[proper raven]

i trust an Asian ethnic person to make a dodo taste decent

[outer moth]

(Grilled unagi my beloved)

[outer moth]

Yknow, they coulda shipped dodos to southeast asia
Tons of fruit there for em to eat

Or India
Both have fitting climates for dodomestication

Plus both would've been massive colonial trading hubs

(at the time)

I'd time travel only to get to the dodos first

Either way if dodos made it to the modern day, they'd be an "acquired taste"

Like blue cheese

Not everyone likes it

But some people love it

[peak hazel]

I don't know if its still our national dish but that'll never not be funny to me

[wary nacelle]

Most original fire peak not very limited bone material suggestion for a terrarium

[steep tulip]

Pk dlcs should cost 800 dollars because each animal needs 50 models (male, female and all the juveniles stages)

Fair price

[hollow furnace]

It would honestly be pretty awesome if we got a bunch of vivarium clones just as quick easy to make roster filler

Like Hesperonychus, Sinornithosaurus, and Changuyangraptor could all basically just be reskins of one another with basically similar models and the same animations

[mint creek]

Sinosauropteryx by beloved...

[past mist]

i remember this dude from the WWD movie

[coarse inlet]

I love it. It's so 70s fantasy novel cover

[coarse inlet]

Liliensternus is MUCH bigger and not a chimera

[limber needle]

i need this troodon look at the little guy

or deinon

[burnt gate]

Dire wolves

[frosty torrent]

Arizonasaurus

[topaz herald]

australopithecus

[lean hound]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

[autumn plover]

If/when Ceratosaurus comes to the game, I would love for it to have a skin based off of the WWD Ornitholestes skin

It's a really nice skin and nicely accentuates the crests, which Ornitholestes is unlikely to have, but would look great transplanted onto Ceratosaurus, an animal which does have large facial crests

Other then that, I would love for the Savannah skin to return as it was very distinctive.

middle skin (orange with dimorphism)

In-general, I think the devs should aim for very vibrant skins for Ceratosaurus, it's add the perfect size for them.

[wary nacelle]

best idea ever

while we're at it Homo floresiensis in Terrariums

[steep tulip]

While we at it we should be able to put guests in exhibits

[wary nacelle]

While we're at it we should make it so that every guest is a different extinct animal and all the extinct animals are actualy just guests

This is the next hit Prehistoric Kingdom mod

[kind oriole]

The head is cool but the body spots make it look like a clown costume. The colour itself is unique but it needs another whirl of spots

[feral cedar]

Homo sapiens/neanderthalensis/floresiensis with a Paranthropus alt could be awesome!

[ancient ibex]

Once again pointing at those 2 ceratopsians

[shell sonnet]

Chasmo and Lepto would be better (I do like Penta)

[ancient ibex]

I disagree but fair enough

[shell sonnet]

I just find Chasmo fascinating. From what I gather, no specimen of C. belli we've found has long brow horns, they're all pretty short. That just makes it stand out from out from most other Chasmosaurines.

[ancient ibex]

The chasmosaurus lineage is weird; belli and Vagaceratops have short horns, while ruselli and Kosmoceratops have long horns, but frill-wise it appears as if forming a sequence

(and the Chasmo species are quite comparable frill-wise)

[feral cedar]

When are you adding a Psittacosaurus to your collection

[ancient ibex]

When Ruadhrí Brennan adds it to the store lol

[autumn plover]

I’d still say Pentaceratops is better than Chasmo

Besides with how ontogeny and neotony work, I would genuinely not be surprised if you could make a Chasmosaurus-looking animal with a half grown Penta

But Penta is very popular and requested, it fills the niche of large-frilled Ceratopsian, while also not being too closely related to Triceratops (unlike Torosaurus)

I believe it also lives alongside Parasauralophus cyrto as well right?

[feral cedar]

Pentaceratops has a cool-looking frill and is built with weirdly long legs

One of the few ceratopsids to vary on the post cranial side

[autumn plover]

Oh yeah forgot, Pentaceratops has very weird postcrania by ceratopsian standards

[feral cedar]

Also it’s an impeccable choice for a solitary species imo