Community Species Suggestions

[faint oak]

More than Juravenator anyways

[median relic]

yeah wth

[median relic]

juravenator is so so weird this thing is driving me nuts

what IS it

if it is actually some kind of basal spinosaur hatchling that would be sick

[faint oak]

Swimmy Juravenator is so fucking cool i need it i need it i need it i need it i need it i need it

[median relic]

I could see it ngl

[faint oak]

Hasn’t been recovered as one

You’re thinking of scipi

[median relic]

ohhh

[faint oak]

Which comes out as non-fully aquatic in the analysis

[faint oak]

As far as we know jura seems to be its own independent evolution of aquaticness

TRUE

[median relic]

he lives

LMAO

[faint oak]

God it would be so cool as a semiaquatic vivi

My god imagine

Like

A colony of them

[median relic]

probably not a spinosaur but do you still think jura is a megalosaur or a compy

[faint oak]

On like rocks and shit

[median relic]

the results are in, I'm afraid it's peak...

[faint oak]

Dunno enough phylogenetics to have an opinion but whatever it is it’s fucking sick

[steep tulip]

Again I'm not necessarily arguing this, I'm just saying that according to the paper results, they would have been spending the majority of their time swimming
Could be true, but I would be lying if I said I would be fully convinced

[median relic]

I mean what obvious aquatic adaptations does this thing have

[faint oak]

That’s what the data says

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[median relic]

idk man with legs that short sucho had to be in the water more

[faint oak]

The paper this art is from found integumentary sense organs on its skin

Like what crocs have

[median relic]

I mean yes but

what would it even use to swim

[faint oak]

And theropods as a group are decently good at swimming by default, so I can see this little critter getting away with very slight alterations to its anatomy that we missed up till now

[median relic]

are its bones even that dense?

[faint oak]

Back legs prolly

Loonlike

[faint oak]

I don’t think anyone has cut into them to check just cause it’s such a nice fossil lol

[median relic]

whatever the case... juravenator being aquatic makes sense considering where it lived

archipelago, right?

[faint oak]

Yeppers

God it’s so cool

[median relic]

man

it's so funny bc I think that's why compsognathus was thought to be aquatic so long ago

and what do you know, it has reincarnated in another compsognathid(?)

https://tenor.com/view/matthew-lillard-william-afton-fnaf-movie-i-always-come-back-gif-2669162706584753982

[hollow furnace]

It was based on a misinterpretation of the french specimen's forelimbs, they were mushed and looked like a flipper

[median relic]

oh my god lmao

I can see it

how big are juravenator's hands?

eh they look reasonably sized

ok so current idea is that juravenator is a compsognathid but still a baby, and scipionyx is a baby megalosaur?

[steep tulip]

Well it seems their legs were more adapted for general walking than swimming according to a paper thats gonna come out (eventually)
An abstract is already available
Ig we will see how its gonna pan out

[median relic]

ok

[hollow furnace]

current idea makes it sound more certain then it actually is but basically

[median relic]

yeah that's fair

[hollow furnace]

idk if anyone's even bothered looking at Jura

Even Cau didn't include it

[alpine thicket]

Jura hanging out on rocky spots and diving.

[median relic]

wait I just realized the paper didn't recover halzskaraptorines as aquatic

unless I'm reading it wrong?

[hollow furnace]

a bit, yeah

[alpine thicket]

Aren't they like, just within the "spends time inthe water but not all the time" spot?

[hollow furnace]

lemme get the paragraph of halzskaraptor

With respect to the maniraptoran Halszkaraptor escuilliei, our results are equally consistent with existing moderately aquatic33,35 and terrestrial34 interpretations. Notably, however, the predicted probability for Halszkaraptor resided at the classification threshold for highly/fully aquatic habits, and our archosaur models retained high false negative rates, so we cannot confidently rule out a predominantly aquatic lifestyle for this taxon, and a moderately aquatic interpretation remains plausible.

[ancient ibex]

Megalosaur affinities as far back as 2012

[median relic]

if jura is a megalosaur what does that really mean

the specimen is a baby and highly aquatic

wtf would this thing grow into as a megalosaur??

[faint oak]

A small megalosaur

[hollow furnace]

For Juravenator??

[flint sable]

are spinosaurs not megalosaurs

[hollow furnace]

The only time I've seen Jura associated with megalosauroids was 2020

[median relic]

yes but it's prob not a spinosaur

[median relic]

imagine if you went back to kimmeridgian Europe and there are just a bunch of tiny versions of this thing swimming around picking sea lice off of ichthyosaurs (idk if sea lice had evolved yet but)

[faint oak]

Lmaoo

[shell sonnet]

No offense, but if your model has in your own words, a high false negative rate, then it's not a good model and should be scrapped.

[hollow furnace]

It has a higher false negative rate for one group

It's extremely good and thorough paper, actually read through its methodology

And a false negative rate and false positive rate don't have any correlation

If my measurement can only detect values higher then 5 and I get a reading of 50, its not correct to treat that as false

[shell sonnet]

Except it's possible that you have selected the wrong variables used for estimation; individual data points can still end up as false positives even if the overall lean is towards false negatives. I've seen it happened when model building.

[faint oak]

Except the model is trained and tested on living animals first

[mental goblet]

Can these guys fit the vivarium?

[hollow furnace]

Najash and Madtsoia definitely Stomatosuchus would be full exhibit

[mental goblet]

Btw a crocodile in a vivarium is possible but only the small ones fit

[faint oak]

If the system can do snakes

Would be very cool though

Almost as cool as semiaquatic Juravenator

[trail moth]

speaking of stomato good grief it'd be so awesome

[coarse inlet]

I mean there's some decent reason to think megalosaurs were at least capable of hunting in water

Clearly they weren't MARINE but

[median relic]

well I mean maybe is the thing

ofc not all of them

but a megalosaur that isn't a spinosaur adapted to hunting in water is something I could see especially in that habitat

[toxic oriole]

Madtsoia too? Yeah I can see Madtsoia in there, I know that picture

I know that design

[median relic]

how have I not heard about this animal before

a horse with a trunk

that'd be cool

[low bridge]

Let's go with Giganotosaurus ( classic of classic Carcharodontosaurid) , Maip (Shadow of Death) and Skorpiovenator ( neat Abeli)

[low bridge]

Well u have elephant horse now

[amber field]

Taeniolabis ?

[limpid sable]

Ekrixi & meraxes or Taurovenator is better. Maip is a must have & it must have a Australovenator Variation

[meager mountain]

Desmostylia, if fully aquatic animals ever get added

[mental goblet]

Guys can some extinct arthropods get added to the vivarium?

[kind oriole]

Couldn't let this comment go by, though a proper discussion is more suited for #science-chat : speciesism is very much a thing and would be the correct term for thinking one biological species, typically H. sapiens, is superior in everything compared to non-human animals and is therefore worthy of special treatment. That includes putting a close relative like H. neanderthalensis behind bars. You can fudge whether it's also racism because so many people alive today have Neanderthal DNA, but that would be another axis of oppression

[frosty torrent]

Borhyaena

[mental goblet]

That would be cool to see extinct mammals with barely any popularity added

[quick ore]

Proborhyaena would be better, given it is distinguished by its giant size

[meager mountain]

no we need more small guys, if not a habitat animal than exhibit

[quick ore]

I mean Thylacosmilus is already a smaller sparassodont

so my point is if you are going to add another, add the largest species

[shell sonnet]

I don't think it really matters. Neither one has an edge in formations (they share one). Boryhyaena I think is more complete and there's a dearth of info for Proboryhyaena, though I suppose the size does help.

In any case, Thylacosmilus comes first.

[quick ore]

I mean ofc

it's the posterchild for Sparassodonts

[shell sonnet]

For what it's worth, size estimates according to wiki:

Thylacosmilus: 41-150 Kg
Proborhyaena: 90-200Kg
Boryhaena: 23-36 Kg

That's quite a range for size

[quick ore]

but I think Proborhyaena does more for sparassodonts and metatherians as a whole as an inclusion than Borhyaena would. And it isn't as if less complete species should always be second choices to more complete ones. Just look at Therizinosaurus being more likely to get added over the multiple other better known species.

that still has Proborhyaena as decidedly the largest

and again, not just the largest sprassodont, but the largest carnivorous metatherian ever

[shell sonnet]

My point wasn't that Proborhayena isn't the largest, but that that it's stretching it calling Thylacosmilus small like Borhyaena. It's clearly mid sized and overlaps with Proborhayena more.

[quick ore]

I moreso meant smaller but you're right

[shell sonnet]

Therizinio, for what it's worth, also has a lot of name power. That's an animal that can sell a DLC pack. (I personally would not add it because I worry it might be a Deinocherius situation but I also do not have to take financial needs into consideration).

[autumn plover]

How would it be a Deinocheirus situation and why would that be an issue? Therizinosaurus is an extremely popular animal.

[hollow furnace]

Deinocheirus situation where we find new material that dramatically changes its appearance

[quick ore]

I do think that the size of Proborhyaena, despite it having less material than Borhyaena, would help to sell the idea of the species as a potential DLC better. I mean just look at everyone pushing for Barinasuchus despite it only being a skull

[autumn plover]

What happened to Deinocheirus?

[hollow furnace]

We found new material that dramatically changed its appearence

[autumn plover]

How?

[shell sonnet]

We'd used to only have the arms

[plush nacelle]

Before 2014 deinocheirus was like

Big big ornithomimus

[autumn plover]

That’s also not a massive issue, the devs have said that they are comfortable with the animals in-game being outdated.

Oh right I thought you guys meant as in the past few months we found something new about Deinocheirus

[silver steeple]

Fwiw, I doubt we'd really see that kind of thing happen to Theri

Unlike Deinoch, we have a lot of relatives

Deinoch has like maybe 3, none of which were found to be such until after 2014 tmk

[hollow furnace]

On one hand yes, on the other hand what we do have of Theri is very weird in comparison to other therizinosaurs and we are missing some pretty important parts from the close relatives of Theri, like the skull

[shell sonnet]

The only complete Therizinosaurid skull we have is of Erlikosaurus, plus varying degrees of the lower jaw for some others.

[ancient ibex]

Arms were literally the most conservative part of its skeleton

[hollow furnace]

yep

[ancient ibex]

Jurassic Park Institute Deinocheirus, roughly at the same time JPOG released

[autumn plover]

The devs already added Carcharodontosaurus, which is literally part of a skull

Meraxes was found and has a dip and toe claw

So not all Carchs have the same postcrania

Yet that wasn’t a problem with Carcharodontosaurus

[abstract compass]

i think the devs will add whatever they find cool.

[left spear]

As long as it's unique aswell

Really unless the game becomes generic rawrr spam there's no right to complain about roster wise

[amber field]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQB2dgXLqXk

I want one from the big one and one from small ones

[chilly zenith]

therizino, beipiao and falcarius would be my ideal trio

[autumn plover]

^

[left spear]

Theri/Beipiao/Falcarius/Erliao and we're set

[chilly zenith]

beipi wasn't that small but it's from yixian and that alone is enough of a point

[amber field]

from the very Basel to the most derived nice !!!

[left spear]

Beipiao could probably be a Theri alt aswell

[chilly zenith]

trug

even better imo

[shell sonnet]

Falc
Nothronychus/Neimongo

Beipiao is probably too basal to be an alt

[left spear]

Just make It smaller and exagerate the feathering and quills a bit

[left spear]

I mean Juxia worked

I think it's Doable, they're still pretty similar superficially

[shell sonnet]

Juxia is a lot closer to Paraceratherium than Beipiiao is to Therizino

Neimongo would work better as a small Therizinosaurus alt

[desert flame]

If it's added after EA, I'd like it to be added as a Permian Pack DLC or a free update.

[amber field]

I think Beipiiao Therizino separated by 58 million year

[median relic]

tough for me to decide between beipi and nothronychus

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, mid-early K and end of the Cretaceous.

[median relic]

you mean erlian or erliko? and why either of them?

[shell sonnet]

Erliko is the only Therizinosaurid we have a skull of

Otherwise, there's really not much reason

[desert flame]

Nothronychus come back

[median relic]

ehhh

we have overall more from nothronychus right

[shell sonnet]

Yes

[median relic]

personally I'd love to see an update with nothro and some of its contemporaries, zuniceratops and suskityrannus

[shell sonnet]

But it's complicated because they come from two different species

[median relic]

yeah but graffami has a lot of material itself

[plush nacelle]

Red and purple are graffami

[shell sonnet]

Issue is that graffami is from a marine deposit, we don't know where it actually lived

mckinleyi is the one that lived with Zuniceratops and others

[median relic]

ohh

[shell sonnet]

(I'm not opposed to using Nothronychus)

[median relic]

hmm

[shell sonnet]

I think it's interesting and it is the only Therizinosaurid from NA

A reverse Sinoceratops if you will

[median relic]

didn't realize that

could've sworn there were more..

[shell sonnet]

There are more basal Therizinosaurs from NA

[median relic]

ok so theri, beipi, falcarius, then nothro/erliko/duonychus

[shell sonnet]

Need Neimongo

[median relic]

why??

[shell sonnet]

One, very closely related to Therizino so it works as an alt.
Two, it's a small little fellow and cute
Three, it lived with Gigantoraptor

We also have quite a bit of it

[chilly zenith]

nice

i didn't know of it

[median relic]

errr..

maybe

[chilly zenith]

OH i just remembered

what about the two-fingered species?

[median relic]

nanshiungosaurus lived with qianzhousaurus and has a weird neck iirc

[median relic]

hear me out

changyuraptor viv?

idk I just like the idea of a bigger, meaner microraptor

[toxic oriole]

Segno and Theri seems like a nice duo

[amber field]

Any big handed dinosaur is a plus

And we would get something that will replace Nothronychus

[burnt herald]

please devs i need thiss, my roster is kinda stegosauridae-less

[toxic oriole]

Why? Nothronychus is the only non-asian Therizinosaur anyways so why get rid of it?

[amber field]

don't know lol

I think with sauropelta , are scrapped

[toxic oriole]

Hoping Nothronychus DOES eventually make it back into the game in the future

[amber field]

tbh I don't remember sauropelta or Edmontonia

[amber field]

I really hope that

[burnt herald]

as an outer edmontonian, we need edmontonia, albertosaurus and albertaceratops

[toxic oriole]

I notice Albertosaurus and Gorgosaurus are often seen together at times, or something.
Might be misremembering something

Are those two closely related? If so, then uhhh...

[amber field]

yeah we need a nodosaurus of of kind

[toxic oriole]

One could be the alt for the other

[amber field]

yeah

[burnt herald]

albertosaurus and gorgo are closely related, they were also both first found in alberta

[toxic oriole]

People would see Borealopelta as pointless given the fact you could just give any non-spiny Nodosaurid Ankylosaur a red color and can argue its that species

It'd have the same effect or something

[toxic oriole]

Alt material.

[burnt herald]

gorgo is more commonly depicted in media i believe

[toxic oriole]

Hell, you can always give Pteranodon Geosternbergia as an alt

Even if some people see it as P. sternbergi

Instead of its own thing

Then again it STILL makes sense

Regardless

[burnt herald]

the game has infinite alt potential with the current roster

[toxic oriole]

Some work, some dont

[burnt herald]

yeah

[toxic oriole]

Geosternbergia and Pteranodon is an example

Albertosaurus and Gorgosaurus is another

[amber field]

Polacanthus ? would be more unique

[burnt herald]

shant as an edmonto alt would be great

[toxic oriole]

How different is Shantungosaurus to Edmontosaurus aside from size? Thats what I wanna know

[burnt herald]

barely any difference really

same shjape as annectens

[toxic oriole]

But are they closely related in anyway, shape or form?

Or is it that they are superficially similar in appearance?

Eh, convergent evolution exists

[amber field]

Shantungosaurus is a bit older

and lived in asia

[median relic]

also I like nothro because it lived with zuniceratops which is an animal I want anyway.

[toxic oriole]

I mean, Ugrunaaluk is already the alt for Edmontosaurus, yes?

[amber field]

yes

[burnt herald]

no one likes ugrunaaluk

[toxic oriole]

I don't see Shantungosaurus being the second alt for that guy

Since I hear something about them not wanting to give species already in the game more alts or something

And hearing something about one being an exception to the rule, but I dunno really

So uhhh, Shantungosaurus may very well be its own thing

Not as an alt

Thats how I see it since its too late for some animals to have alts

[burnt herald]

what defines as an alt?

[toxic oriole]

Could've gotten Citipati and Oviraptor, alongside Carcharodontosaurus and Tameryraptor (Then again, Tameryraptor is recently named, and I assume by the time the game went into early access Tameryraptor was named in 2024... So thats something of itself)
Even Brachiosaurus and GIRAFFATITAN of all things

Though yeah, too late for some stuff though

[amber field]

Different species for of the same genes

[toxic oriole]

Closely related as well, if anything

Then again I have no idea

[amber field]

like trovo

[burnt herald]

Allosaurus Anax and nanotyrannus would be great for recently discovered species

[toxic oriole]

... Thanks for reminding me that Torosaurus could've been an alt for Triceratops

Nanotyrannus wasnt recently discovered

Neither was A. anax if you want to count Saurophaganax in this situation

At least, I don't think A. anax was recently discovered

Unless of course you're counting Nanotyrannus' second genus member?

[short rover]

I honestly don’t think it could

It’s head is a completely different shape

It would’ve looked really janky

[toxic oriole]

Even if they are closely related?

Fair I guess

[amber field]

But perhaps we would get different genes of sloths or glyptodons

[burnt herald]

A. anax was named after some suarophagnax bones were found to have been that of a sauropod, and nanotyranus recently had a new discovered species and got re-validated

[short rover]

That doesn’t really matter, what matters is model consistency (which closely related animals tend to have but sometimes they dont)

[toxic oriole]

I mean, A. anax is coming to the game anyways

[median relic]

no no it's too different

I'd still love toro but it's low priority for me

[toxic oriole]

So if Torosaurus couldn't have been an alt for Trike, then what could be be alt for Toro?

[abstract compass]

Is it?

[amber field]

Really?! The same said it the same as trike

[burnt herald]

toro is just trike's lamer cousin

[toxic oriole]

-_-

Toro needs more love

Pentaceratops could be an alt for Toro, or vice versa, but that wouldnt make sense given a variety of factors, no?

[median relic]

nothing I guess

[amber field]

It will comes as suarophagnax , because they already have recorded the it voice lines as suarophagnax

[median relic]

if we could get more chasmosaurines I guess torosaurus and pentaceratops (+ regaliceratops?) are considerably cool

[toxic oriole]

Eh, Toro and Pentaceratops are tied in having the largest skulls of any land animal, so that COULD be something

Yet Toro.

Oh wait

[median relic]

regaliceratops is underrated

[toxic oriole]

Yeah Toro's skull is larger than Penta, right?

... Y'know what, sure

[amber field]

💯 , toro is my favorite one

[median relic]

coexisted with albertosaurus and has a very unique head

[toxic oriole]

At least get Sinoceratops as its own thing, but what would fit for Sinoceratops?

Sure Sinoceratops is from china, but honestly alot of people hate how its been treated in media

And tbh, yes

[toxic oriole]

And what of Albertaceratops?

[median relic]

I like sinoceratops but idk if it has a place in PK

[toxic oriole]

... I'm just gonna ask the question again even if I already said it
What of Albertaceratops?

[abstract compass]

nah.

[toxic oriole]

Okay but COULD Albertaceratops be an alt for Regaliceratops or is that just not possible at all?
What are the factors that make em one another?

[abstract compass]

cant answer that im afraid.

[toxic oriole]

Guess I'll figure it out for myself

[abstract compass]

[median relic]

they have wildly different heads

[abstract compass]

tag mau and ask him

[toxic oriole]

Yeah no I aint pinging staff.

Also noted

[abstract compass]

[median relic]

and regaliceratops is a chasmosaurine while alberta is a centrosaurine

[toxic oriole]

Lokiceratops already has a place in Evolution 3, though I can see people wanting it for PK too

And tbh, I don't blame them

[abstract compass]

2 ceratopsids on my wishlist is Toro and Diablo.

[toxic oriole]

Toro would have to be its own thing or something given some factors

But Diablo?

[abstract compass]

maybe Einio.

[toxic oriole]

Hmmm...

[median relic]

they look so cool man

don't get me wrong, I love triceratops but torosaurus is more visually appealing to me

[toxic oriole]

The thought occurs to me

Infernodrakon was originally assigned to Quetzalcoatlus, yes?

So if Quetzalcoatlus were to be added, couldn't Infernodrakon be an alt for that guy?

or no?

Then again Infernodrakon is a recently described species, that I know

Eh

[median relic]

big long rounded off rectangular frill, seemingly less curvy horns, blunter nose horn (in latus at least) and a more arched back

[toxic oriole]

Wouldn't mind seeing Infernodrakon show up either way

[amber field]

Some of them can really be great as vivarium animals

[toxic oriole]

Hold my Torosaurus reconstruction, even if I traced off a fossil that has no assigned artists, I think you might be able to figure out which one I am speaking about

I could not decide what I wanted to do for the pattern anyways

[median relic]

the new lijiangosaurus is so cool

[median relic]

wdym

[toxic oriole]

hold o

This one, museum of evolution one

No assigned artist

(s)

[median relic]

oh yeah

[amber field]

that would be great aquarium one

[toxic oriole]

Aight lets get some uhhh... More mammals

Repenomamus probably could be an exhibit animal, though it also would fit as a vivarium animal

patagomaia is an oddity, no one knows what it was...

Y'know what, an entire Djachota or however its pronounced bundle of mammals

[median relic]

mesozoic viv mammals?

[toxic oriole]

Since I remember that location has ALOT of mammals or something

Uhhh sure

Repenomamus is still an oddity

Whoops

Oh wait, I say its an oddity because I don't even know what would work better

Vivarium or Exhibit? Is it even large enough for being a full exhibit animal?

Going off memory here

[median relic]

volaticotherium, repenomamus, didelphodon, castorocauda, zalambdalestes, purgatorius, adalatherium, alphadon, and morganucodon (technically a mammaliaform but whatev)

these are my first thoughts though you'd prob have to narrow it down

[toxic oriole]

How popular is Didelphodon anyways?

[median relic]

I don't think any mesozoic mammal is full exhibit material

[toxic oriole]

Only one that could've been would be Patagomaia, though thats an oddity

[median relic]

just it being from hell creek (it's also in WWD, saurian, path of titans, etc.) and being pretty large has gotten it relative fame

I think it has proportionally a very very strong bite force?

and it was possibly even aquatic

little guy in a viv eating shellfish

[amber field]

we are getting semiaquatic mammal next update

[toxic oriole]

Yeah I am aware of the semi-aquatic mammal

[median relic]

oh?

a viv one or full exhibit?

[toxic oriole]

Vivarium obviously...

[amber field]

viv

[median relic]

I thought so but I mean it could have not been lol

[amber field]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castorocauda

[median relic]

well if it's viv I think castorocauda or didelphodon is likely

[median relic]

yes

[toxic oriole]

And people say calling Mesozoic Mammals "Rodent-like" isnt accurate

Yet what else am I supposed to think given these reconstructions?

[amber field]

but dev said it something you won't expect

[median relic]

or, hear me out...
apterodon. A tiny hyaenodont from eocene egypt (whale killer place, if you will) that swam like an otter

[amber field]

There are small early pinnipeds too

[median relic]

that tiny seal yeah

[amber field]

Yeah, I forgot about that

[toxic oriole]

I am aware of the candidates for the semi-aquatic vivarium mammal

Some of them are just those proto-whales

[median relic]

also technically not a mammal, but procynosuchus, a swimming cynodont from the permian

[amber field]

there are a lot

and there is some early Cretaceous monotremes too

[median relic]

I forgot about kolponomos

so so cool

https://tenor.com/view/sea-bear-spongebob-safety-anti-sea-bear-circle-spongebob-funny-gif-8782259290133626566

[amber field]

it would be perfect for habitat animal

[shell sonnet]

The problem with Kolponomos is we don't have much material

So you get a lot of different interpretations

[median relic]

yeah unfortunate

I do wonder if the short tailed, more bear like interpretation is correct

[meager mountain]

I still hope that a demostylia gets added if completely marine habitat animals ever get added. It would be a real neat addition

[autumn plank]

Enhydriodon would be awesome to see on PK since PHP ice age comes out next week

[mystic frost]

Look the tiktaalik

[meager mountain]

I think that’s already coming to the game

[toxic oriole]

Grandpa

[ancient ibex]

Grandfish will be peak

Honestly hoping we eventually get Acanthostega and Ichthyostega, perhaps even Eusthenopteron; historical significancy Tiktaalik adjacent cool critters, and friend shaped to boot

[mint creek]

Ichthyostega would be sick

[limpid sable]

Top 9 Creatures I Would Like Added Into Prehistoric Kingdom - If the Official Release Goes Well

Terrestrials: 3

1. Varanus Priscus - Thorny Devil Skin (Similar to how Spinosaurus has a variation with Crocodilian skin)

2. Shunosaurus Lii - Nigerasaurus Taqueti Variation

3. Neotamandua Borealis - Neotamandua Conspicua, Neotamandua Greslebini & Neotamandua Magni Variations

Aquatics: 3

1. Janjucetus Hunderi - Janjucetus Dullardi & Orcinus Citoniensis Variations

2. Atractosteus Grandei - Rhizodus Hibbeti & Rhizodus Serpukhovensis Variations

3. Austroraptor Cabazai - Pyroraptor Olympius Variation

Flyers 3:

1. Haast’s Eagle - Falco Swarthi Variation

2. Ornithocheirus Simus - Pteranodon Longipes & Pteranodon Sterbergi Variations

3. Vulcanops Jennyworthyae - Desmodus Draculae Variation

Honourable Mention:

Prestosuchus Chiniquensis - Desmatosuchus Spurensis Variation

[left spear]

Vulcanops/Desmodus would be vivarium species which cannot get alts

So it would have to be a 4th slot

[amber field]

~~are you sure ~~

[hollow flower]

thats an ark concept

the real thing weighed 40 grams

[amber field]

Yeah, I know ... I was just joking lol

[kind oriole]

I've seen wild alt skin proposals in this channel but Shunosaurus+Nigersaurus, Austroraptor+Pyroraptor and Ornithocheirus+Pteranodon beat most of that

[amber field]

it's one of the few flightless bats, which make it already unique

[kind oriole]

if PK'll have bats I want them to fly. They're already unique for being flying mammals

[limpid sable]

They're just unique.

[amber field]

I mean there are 1500 species of them , and we have a lot of gliding mammals

[feral cedar]

Pyroraptor is reasonable assuming it’s a unenlagiid, but we don’t know

But honestly Shunosaurus and Nigersaurus as alts is almost… disrespectful? Like refusing to acknowledge their differences and unique traits beyond they’re both “small” sauropods

[desert flame]

We need a Nigersaurus.
A small and unique sauropod.

[autumn plover]

It's not about disrespect, but some people have a genuine issue in understanding that just because an animal is a similar size does not mean it is automatically alt potential.

Like these sauropods are not even closely related or similarly proportioned

[feral cedar]

Yeah “disrespectful” is not the right term

[quick ore]

there is absolutely zero reason to give megalania the integument of a thorny devil

[coarse inlet]

well it'd be a fun reference

[quick ore]

reference to what?

[coarse inlet]

when it was first discovered it was thought to be a giant relative of thorny devils

Meiolania's skull was attributed to it

but this isnt really the game for something like that

[slim flare]

Thorny devils

[quick ore]

oh ok that's neat

[flint sable]

do we know if vulcanops was flightless

also if it was it would be the only one we know of

[flint sable]

iirc all thats known for certain is that it was a certified fatass compared to modern new zealand bats and that it probably spend considerable ammount of time on the ground due to this

but we cant know if it was flightless or not

since basically all we have is teeth and a few bone fragments

which is unfortunately pretty typical for St Bathans

[low bridge]

(Pie)raptor, idk if it would Fit

[amber field]

No, but it closes relative is terrestrial than other bats https://www.doc.govt.nz/nature/native-animals/bats-pekapeka/short-tailed-bat/ ,

[flint sable]

ye

so its definitely safe to assume it was likely quite terrestrial

but totally flightless? we simply cannot know

[amber field]

I didn't mean totally flightless (a bit of language barrier form me), like less of flayers

[left spear]

More terrestrial

[amber field]

Megatherium Megalonyx would be great addition

[low bridge]

Take Arsinoitherium, Embolotherium, Megacerops

Catch them

Peak animals that we must have in game

[river perch]

all of them ask for a handshake, yet the silhouette man walks away 💔

[feral cedar]

Wrong game lil bro

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-ash-ketchum-pokeball-pokeballs-gif-5634823

[amber field]

What a rude man ...

[frosty torrent]

Brachytrachelopan, because it has a short neck

[limpid sable]

There is no prehistoric thorny devil & although it would be in-accurate it still makes sense. Thorny Devils & Megalania are both lizards, if you have a problem with this then why don't you have a problem with Spino in this game having croc scales? It's basically the same thing as Meg having thorny devil scales - Meg when it was first discovered was thought to have Thorny Devil scales and for the longest time Crocs have been used as modern references for Spino.

[quick ore]

no need to yell

[fresh ember]

That's a completely different thing altogether...

[short rover]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-stare-serious-gif-15710427

[left spear]

Tyrannosaurus is a theropod so let's give It Concavenator's hump

[abstract compass]

quite a jump to make.

[mint creek]

Concavenator as Nanotyrannus alt

[feral cedar]

Nanocarcharia

[sharp dock]

Nanoshoe

[low bridge]

Give me Aepycamelus

Or Titanotylopus

[sharp dock]

Nanotylopus

[crimson oracle]

i KNOW theyre adding suminia.

i just cant prove it.

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-dexter-dexter-meme-gif-1302676710766719675

[outer moth]

The Sauropodn't

Reminds me of an episode with a former employer

[feral cedar]

Cotylorhynchus and Sivatherium:

[outer moth]

Mau’s kidding

You know they’d never exclude any creature as a potential addition

Hell even the scrapped 4 are no longer scrapped but reshuffled

[fresh ember]

Lies. We all know he bears emnity with Coty after the harrowing years in the Permian Wars.

[mint creek]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-frog-crash-out-pissed-moon-smiling-friends-gif-5446776773499003945

[low bridge]

The EXTINCTION IS REAL

[left spear]

Prehistoric Kingdom has fallen, succesion crisis must occur 😔

[shell sonnet]

Honestly, Suminia does have a few points in its favor. It doesn't have an insectivore diet, it's relatively sizable (compared to other arboreal lizard options), it lived in the Permian.
The biggest knocks are that it's not a reptile and that it lacks anything that lets it do more than run up and down trees.

Huh, I wondered who the other Tianyulong voter was.

[left spear]

Tbf it's still pretty lizard coded

[tough marsh]

How big is suminia

[left spear]

I could see It being the "lizard"

[tough marsh]

I mean compare to relatives

[shell sonnet]

Wiki has it at over 40 cm.

[tough marsh]

Ahh

[shell sonnet]

That's like Drepanosaurus' size.

[tough marsh]

I think that’s smaller then the Gale trio

And parasuminia I’m unsure

[left spear]

Tbh

Does It matter

All it's relatives are kind of irrelevant

It's not like it can have alts

[shell sonnet]

Wiki has Galechirus at 30 cms.

Don't know about the other two.

[trail moth]

i dont see why they'd give megalania thorny devil scales when it wouldn't need them at all, also croc-like scales on a spinosaurus wouldn't (and don't) look nearly as odd as thorny devil scales on the giant monitor lizard would

[sinful coyote]

close enough welcome back zt2 deinosuchus

[flint sable]

burmese amber taxa

[quick ore]

except ones that make sense like extinct humans and close relatives like Australopithecus

[flint sable]

and that

[trail moth]

no way

nodosaurid deinosuchus

[flint sable]

my humble sugguestions

[limber needle]

I hope bro, with diictodon for an amnodont buddy

[sharp dock]

God has created a new ring in hell for the sin you just committed

[signal ember]

Am I the only one who thinks that Cotylotherium looks like something that could have actually existed?

[lean hound]

With how weird things got in the permian I wouldn't be suprised if it did

[proper raven]

i lean more towards sivalorhynchus

[frosty heron]

it gives estemmenosuchus if you squint a bit

[flint sable]

believe it or not Sivalorhynchus was basically a real creature

or at least close enough

not quite but this is basically bro

also Cotylotherium definitely has a strong resemblance to the smallest estemmenosuchus species indeed

although missing a tail

[shell sonnet]

Maybe Mau won't allow Cotylor, but perhaps he'll be more open to Alierasaurus

[left spear]

I mean

Tbh just go Casea if you're excluding coty

If you want a mini Oromycter

[shell sonnet]

Alierasaurus would be the same size as Coty.

[left spear]

Huh

Coty alt

[feral cedar]

I mean if you’re going to include a caseid in the game might as well be Coty

[shell sonnet]

Mau hates Coty though and Alierasaurus is Sardinian, so geographic diversity

[hollow furnace]

Mau hates Coty because he thinks it is ugly

A problem picking another caseid does not solve

[low bridge]

What about Nanotyrannus??????

He returned from the Dead

Also i think that Pinoccio Rex would be NICE (Qianzhousaurus)

[hollow furnace]

What about the lesser yellow bellied sapsucker?????

[low bridge]

What tf i just suggested nice tyrannosaurids besides classics like Tarbo, Trex only to be fucking hated

We should get more features than Animals in game

Like that

🤷

[feral cedar]

One developer thinking a specific animal is ugly doesn't automatically discount them from being added

Imagine someone like Ida said "nah I think Miragaia and its long neck is ugly" and all of a sudden one of the best stegosaurids to add alongside Stego itself is discounted

[ancient ibex]

coughs in Kentro

[feral cedar]

-# I did say "one of"

Stego/Mira/Kentro is perfect stegosaurid rep

[shell sonnet]

Ida is a freelancer, they don't have the power that Mau does

[steep tulip]

Its all an act smh

He actually secretly loves coty

[shell sonnet]

Shhhhhh... don't say that outloud

[silver steeple]

Are we even 100% sure this is true and not just Mau trolling

[short rover]

No

[hollow furnace]

That mau doesn’t like coty? Yes

He does play it up though

[short rover]

Stop self deprecating nobody is hating on you

Droid made a harmless joke

[quick ore]

You mentioned Nanotyrannus out of nowhere in a convo about Coty, Droid was making a joke by mentioning another animal that has nothing to do with the present conversation

[median glen]

I would like another elephant before a giant sloth

Who's with me

[steep tulip]

🦗

[feral cedar]

another elephant? Yes
before a ground sloth?

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-life-a-bugs-life-bruh-not-smiling-ants-not-smiling-gif-8815283262918161887

[outer moth]

EZ I wanted to ask this question earlier cuz I think there are language barriers present
What's your first language?
Maybe things will be easier to understand if I explain em to you

[steep tulip]

its not even that I dont want another elephant, but this is like asking if you want a thousand dollars worth of diamonds or gold

[feral cedar]

Also what does “another elephant” mean

Cause I COULD understand maybe Deinotherium before a ground sloth, but the former’s not exactly an elephant

[quick ore]

"I would like another rhino before a marsupial"

[median glen]

Ok nobody is with me

[short rover]

The “BEFORE a ground sloth” took me out completely

[outer moth]

Me when all valid extinct creatures have a chance in PK:

[flint sable]

human relatives and burmese amber taxa

[outer moth]

Except those, ofcs

What's wrong with the burmese amber taxa?

[quick ore]

it's unethically found

[flint sable]

very unethically found

[quick ore]

like blood diamonds but fossils

[flint sable]

and essentially it boils down to adding it or even obtaining/collecting/studying it for scientific research is unethical just because of how its obtained

which is really a shame because of how beautifully preserved they can be

[outer moth]

Then let's exclude some of the Brazilian specimens like "Ubirajara" cuz that one's also been unethically named

[flint sable]

ok

[outer moth]

Idk abt Tapajara tho

Or irritator

cuz those have the same story

[steep tulip]

its a bit different afaik

[flint sable]

also the paper has been revoked for Ubirajara

[steep tulip]

ubirajara cant even keep the name

[flint sable]

those were also more "one off" although not totally, whereas the burmese amber problem encompasses whole fossil units and is still an ongoing problem

if the problem were to ever be resolved and the taxa can be ethically studied and described, then sure, they can come

but untill then, I think that would be a very bad idea for PK

[past mist]

i very strongly disagree but this isn’t a ridiculous take at all imo

[outer moth]

More elephants are good, but let's maybe get a sloth first before we get more

[past mist]

i agree

but it’s not a bad take

[hollow flower]

I would like more elephants

Before a ground sloth however is madness

[ancient ibex]

I mean, if the lion and Elasmo update had been the lion, Elasmo and mastodon update I wouldn't have complained, but, at this point, and even if an elephant would be less complicated to implement than a ground sloth animation-wise, I'd wager a sloth would be a better choice for the animal slots we have until release

[median glen]

Ponder this

another elephant can share the existing mammoth rig

a sloth would need a brand new one

[left spear]

So

We ought to get more than a single sloth aswell

It's just delaying the inevitable

[short rover]

Okay? The ease on the developers of implementing it in the game doesn’t change my opinion

I’d give the same answer if you asked if I wanted another rhino

[fervent basalt]

I think Mammuthus Columbi would be interesting because, even though there's already a mammoth in the game, I think it would be really cool to see a mammoth in environments more similar to savannas in the game.

[outer crater]

Deinotherium better

[steep tulip]

Edaphosaurus better

[slim flare]

Deinonychus best

[flint sable]

Cotylorhynchus bestest

[feral cedar]

Sivatherium peakest

[shell sonnet]

Tullimonstrum uber alles

[brave pier]

Anomalocaris pinnacle

[left spear]

Mekosuchus summit

[autumn turret]

Ichthyovenator or some other mid sized spinosaur like valibonevenatrix would be pretty baller I reckon

[autumn plover]

After Baryonyx and Spinosaurus the next Spinosaurus should be Suchimimus, compared to Valli and Icthy it’s actually known from decent material

[desert flame]

To be honest, I think Spinosaurus, Baryonyx, and Suchomimus are enough spinosaurids to add to the game, but if we were to add a spinosaurid, Irritator would be a good choice.

[left spear]

Irritator or Icthyo

After that we don't need any (even a fourth is quite questionable)

[ancient ibex]

Monolopho bwahaha

[feral cedar]

PK Monolophosaurus would be so cool

I think it'd be interesting to have it be fuzzy as a way to sort of represent the ancestral megalosauroid condition that makes Spinosaurus and the torvosaurs have fuzzy babies

[static flame]

have they ever discussed the possibility of adding late holocene extinctions to PK?

imagine a walkthrough mixed aviary with dodos and carolina parakeets and--

[runic tiger]

Recently extinct animals have been an idea floated around for future dlc

Nothing confirmed by the devs, just ideas shared in the discord

[shell sonnet]

It's high on their list of post-EA ideas; RE pack would likely be the first DLC, if we get any

(Mau likes horses)

[median glen]

Before or After ground sloths

[shell sonnet]

Who says we're getting a ground sloth; that's just assumed based on the fuzzy roadmap pic. (I do think it's coming but I can't prove it)

[plush nacelle]

Tbh PP showcased it really good

One tropical, desert and ice sloth

[shell sonnet]

I don't how well other sloths can be alts of Megatherium americanum.

[plush nacelle]

Cant, unless you want more megatheriums

[hollow furnace]

Honestly I wouldn’t mind megatherium alt species

[silver steeple]

It'd be dope to get some

Ik AD did some sketches of the different species (all head shots iirc?)

Some are probably a smidge extreme for the alt system as we know it but who knows

[quick ore]

too bad it didn't name any of them

[hollow furnace]

And bodies

[silver steeple]

I do remember there being a couple bodies

I wasn't sure if every head got a body though

[hollow furnace]

You're right it wasn't yeah

Would be cool to get like a shaggier andean alt

[silver steeple]

That would be fun ye

[shell sonnet]

Yeah that would be cool

Wonder if they'd just stick to americanum or make it altiplanicum

[hollow furnace]

presumably stick to americanum

[silver steeple]

I'd be shocked if the base wasn't americanum

[shell sonnet]

Oh, the base will be americanum, I just talking about the shaggier Andean alt idea

[silver steeple]

Ah gotcha

[hollow furnace]

Megatherium altiplanicum was pliocene

And pretty small

[shell sonnet]

There should also be a short trunk alt, every cenozoic mammal that we thought had one should get one

[plush nacelle]

Prehistoric planet doing their best so no animal will become popular

Cause no name = people cant stick to it

[digital pendant]

celendinensis was found all the way up in the andes so would be the perfect alt for an andean species

a good choice for boreal biome

make it shaggy

tarijense would be cute for a smaller species, one that likes temperate and boreal

[shell sonnet]

Do we have to go outside the genera for a tropical one

[digital pendant]

yes

megatherium proper wasnt a fan of the tropics

[shell sonnet]

So Eremotherium

[feral cedar]

Did the Megalonyx in Alaska have a distinct species

[digital pendant]

eremo or an ancestor of megatherium

[feral cedar]

Or was it also Jefferson’s ground sloth

[digital pendant]

sadly eremo would be difficult because it has different amount of digits in the hands so would need more animation work than what a standard alt could use

especially for an animal that uses its hands a lot

[shell sonnet]

I pretty sure it's just that

[digital pendant]

yeah its just that

megalonyx was very widespread

[feral cedar]

Huh

[plush nacelle]

AD, is the way eremo walks in PP correct?

[silver steeple]

Probably one of the most widespread sloths yeah?

[digital pendant]

i havent watched PP yet

[feral cedar]

ngl if Eremotherium didn’t have less fingers it’d be a perfect complement for Megatherium

[digital pendant]

pleistocene sloths were decently widespread. Eremotherium, Paramylodon, Glossotherium, and Megalonyx come to mind

[feral cedar]

Megatherium americanum/celendinensis with short and shaggy coats respectively and then butt naked Eremotherium alt

[plush nacelle]

In series it is lowkey knuckle walking

[digital pendant]

got a pic?

[silver steeple]

How far south does Megalonyx range? I wanna say Mexico but I may be misremembering

[digital pendant]

central mexico

[silver steeple]

Gotcha

Big ass range then

[shell sonnet]

El Salvador

[silver steeple]

Wonder if the devs would do something for it like they did with the mammoth

[digital pendant]

oof yeah that looks rough

no doubt it could have gone on its knuckles sometimes like anteaters do

but giant anteaters do walk with their hands sideways

[silver steeple]

Dang, bro covered the entirety of North America

[digital pendant]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475088803502227478/1436422578544705750/image.png?ex=692898c6&is=69274746&hm=3983daa12f68f48a9bd220014155991b2ff01462179dad7fd8c9a8a4a5aaa190&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fgiant-anteaters-claws-human-hand-for-scale-v0-zy0erm29tp091.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dfdf3c8b3183c3f8fb0ba8ab303f98399c6e62125 also check out that padding

[quick ore]

tfw no casual fans are going to ask for Enhydriodon or Propleopus after this PhP season airs because they never get names in the show

[silver steeple]

Lol

[plush nacelle]

People are going to ask for

Enormous otters

[quick ore]

"can Strange Kangaroo get into PK?"

"where is ice age armadillo?"

[shell sonnet]

I mean causual fans don't care for much beyond the name

[digital pendant]

i see no issue with the name stuff

not like its hard to know what they are talking about

[quick ore]

it is to anyone who isn't already a paleontology nerd

in fact

[hollow furnace]

It is if you aren't already informed about pleistocene megafauna

[quick ore]

I was myself confused and still am about some of the species shown

like we still aren't sure if that was Diabolotherium or not

[digital pendant]

no worries, nerds will make sure its all up to date in wiki

[plush nacelle]

Plant expert should save us

[digital pendant]

did they say the area for the climbing sloth?

[silver steeple]

No

[shell sonnet]

Just wait for the complementary book to drop or something

[silver steeple]

I was listening intently for it too

[digital pendant]

damn not even a hint of the region?

whack

[hollow furnace]

nope

Much like the European Megalonyx

[silver steeple]

Lmao

[digital pendant]

oh yeah i heard that segment cut was rough

[silver steeple]

Very

[quick ore]

also despite clearly being in Madagascar they never say the Elephant Bird lived in Madagascar

[glass snow]

yeah the “far north” megalonyx

[quick ore]

nor that Gigantopithecus was in China

[glass snow]

They even show a tenrec

[quick ore]

yeah

and lemurs

[glass snow]

but didn’t state the obvious.

[plush nacelle]

It couldn't be in china

[digital pendant]

i get the name part, but not mentioning regions is a bit weird

at least overall region no need for country specifically tbh

[silver steeple]

Mhm

They never really mention where the dwarf stegodon are at either

[plush nacelle]

Gigantopithecus segment should be set on thailand

[quick ore]

again the script is terrible, the same space they could have said where the segments were and which animals they were showing gets shoved in with drawn out sentences about how they are "strange ice age ____"

[quick ore]

yeah not at all

[silver steeple]

And there's a weird bit where I think the implication is that its supposed to be the large stegodon migrating to the islands, but they reuse the columbian mammoth model and have them traveling to some extremely tropical looking islands

Its like a super short shot that gets reused like 2-3 times

But its really jarring

[quick ore]

How is it that the locations of segments get spelled out in the first 2 seasons, when the planet and its regions are so much more alien compared to what they are today?

Like they didn't call Madagascar Madagascar even though this is the SAME Madagascar

just with less megafauna

[glass snow]

like in the first season they state zealandia

[quick ore]

yeah

[glass snow]

and of course way more

[quick ore]

did they even say New Zealand?

[silver steeple]

Yes

At the very end of the segment

The cut makes it seem like they're still talking about Aus at first though

[quick ore]

I literally assumed it was Genyornis

[silver steeple]

At very first, same

[glass snow]

me too I thought it was some Australian bird I had never heard about or genyornis.

[quick ore]

and not calling Propleopus by name is so tragic

same with Enhydriodon

all of the work bringing an obscure species to public attention and for what?

no one knows that is what is being shown at all

imagine if in PhP they called Deinocheirus a "giant ornithomimosaur" exclusively

like, think about how frustrating this approach would have been in the previous seasons

like this screams executive meddling more than anything else

like with how they refused to let them call birds dinosaurs

[median relic]

eh that's different

[quick ore]

how

[median relic]

yes I still don't like the overuse of common names in ice age

I agree with you there

but at the same time these animals are very very similar to modern ones in some cases

[quick ore]

"enormous otter" isnt even a common name they are just refusing to call it anything

[median relic]

calling deinocheirus a "giant ornithomimosaur" is a huge leap though because the average person has no idea what an "ornithomimosaur" is

[median relic]

yes I agree

just saying it's not really comparable lol

[quick ore]

in both cases the person seeing the animal doesn't know what the animal is

yeah it would be Worse for mesozoic species but that doesn't mean it isn't bad for ice age ones

[median relic]

yeah it sucks but tbh if they're really that curious they'll probably go do a bit more research

[quick ore]

that's literally

what these documentaries are

for most people

like these are literally the extent that casual fans of prehistory will consume in order to learn about the past

[silver steeple]

Also kinda hard to "do more research" when you don't know what you're looking for

[quick ore]

EXACTLY

"oh lemme look up "strange kangaroo""

[median relic]

looks up giant ice age otter
enhydriodon is several of the first results

[median relic]

you're taking that name too literally lmao

every other time he calls them giant short faced kangaroos

[quick ore]

what

OH MY GOD IT HAPPENED TO YOU TOO LMAO

[silver steeple]

That's not what Ivy is talking about

[median relic]

unless you're talking about propleopus which- yeah I can't defend that

[quick ore]

I WAS REFERRING TO WHAT THEY CALLED PROPLEOPUS

[median relic]

oh, yeah ok

[quick ore]

you literally just proved my point

[median relic]

yes propleopus is the most egregious one

[plush nacelle]

Sthenoroos would be fun common name for them

[digital pendant]

i really dont see a reason to keep arguing about this stuff

[median relic]

I'm not trying to disprove it tbh

[hollow furnace]

Ice age armadillo

[median relic]

yeah this is kinda stupid we both agree

[quick ore]

enormous otter

"strange rhino"

none of the sloths get named either

they even fucking teased us

[median relic]

nope. May sound silly but that is what they're known to be in the public conscious, and "ice age armadillo" search is basically all glyptodonts and fast tony

[digital pendant]

tbf giant armadillo is taken alredy

not like it can be reused lmao

[median relic]

^

[median relic]

this is literally true

why am I getting skulled

[silver steeple]

If they really wanna not give proper names at least say gylptodonts or smth

[median relic]

I don't like them getting called ice age armadillos, but it's far from the worst common name to give them??

[quick ore]

"there are over 50 species of sloths in the ice age, and this one might be the bravest" oh really? gonna tell me which it is? "no lmao"

[digital pendant]

you are being annoying for no reason

none here worked on the show lmao

[median relic]

who?

[digital pendant]

for sure could be worse

[digital pendant]

ivy

[quick ore]

fine I'll stop

I'm just pissed off that an otherwise stunning paleodoc could be ruined by something that is, quite literally, the easiest thing to change

[digital pendant]

then take it up to darren naish

[quick ore]

Naish

[digital pendant]

right i always get confused with the last names

[abstract compass]

common names are evil incarnate

https://tenor.com/view/crocodile-hug-cute-float-andréa-abraçar-ana-gif-25713958

[slim flare]

It’s ok, it’s not like Prehistoric Planet used a proposed genus without clarification before

[bold sinew]

Maybe we should have some in PK

[abstract compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-meme-memes-meme-cat-gif-17050447336269230796

[bold sinew]

Evil feature for evil game

[silver steeple]

Lmfao

[slim flare]

This sounds like a great proposal

[bold sinew]

I think someone should make a list

A list of common names

For the animals of PK

[slim flare]

Ironically I started that mess

Because calling cave bears “Ursus” was needlessly weird to me

[bold sinew]

You get all that mods?

https://tenor.com/view/the-naked-gun-2025-movie-film-naked-gun-gif-2171149147074033127

Ban him now

[slim flare]

But I PP inspires PK to add 50,000 mammals in U16

[bold sinew]

It's been a while
Atopodentatus

[slim flare]

Never

Too similar to Coty

[bold sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/bug-bunny-merrie-melodies-bugs-bunny-with-gun-looney-tunes-gun-gif-14071699064387207683

[hollow furnace]

Why is it flayed

[silver steeple]

Why aren't you

https://tenor.com/view/worms-skin-breaking-bad-gus-gif-25776725

[bold sinew]

I recently read the 40k Night Lord books

[left spear]

No Atopo sevatarion don't fall into the ambigous finale enclousure!

[ancient ibex]

TV people go so far lowest denominator they don't bother making a diff

[coarse inlet]

I mean I already wanted Enhydriodon for years

The thing is in general I liked the pacing and storytelling of Ice Age much more but refusing to use even the specific common names for some species was bizarre

[quick ore]

or mentioning locations that segments take place in

[coarse inlet]

Yeah

One thing that really bugs me is that they do nothing to indicate that Psilopterus is smaller than other terror birds

Like I can easily see the general audience being confused as to why these little guys are called “terror birds”

[median glen]

It’d be awesome if that last part of each episode, where scientists break down stuff, was more focused on like actually showing where these animals were in time and region

And exactly which animals were shown

Perhaps that would please everyone

[quick ore]

I WAS THINKING THAT TOO

like they never even mention that they were smaller than the average terror bird or anything and them not using a scientific name only confuses people

[outer moth]

Lion otter

[quick ore]

they never call it that

[outer moth]

I call em that

Either that or “African Giant Otter”

But that’s a lil bit of a mouthful

[kindred jacinth]

Lotter

[autumn turret]

ah didnt know we had 3 confirmed mb

[cosmic cosmos]

Baiji if we get aquatics, would be an excellent addition with a unique size and ecology.

[left spear]

Only 2

Bary and Spino

But Sucho is very likely on the basis of It being sucho

[autumn turret]

yeah gotya

[autumn plover]

Spino, Bary and Sucho are the big 3 Spinosaurids in that order

So yeah Sucho is likely

It was planned at one point but we aren’t sure anymore

[kind oriole]

@digital pendant and have megatherium proper with minimal fur for integument diversity between the three alts? I can live with that if it's the only giant sloth for a while

[wary nacelle]

Gargantuavis

[quick ore]

this reconstruction is basically a total guess

we would be better off adding any number of large flightless birds from the cenozoic

[digital pendant]

Megatherium fully naked doesnt make sense but a short pelt for sure

[left spear]

It's a cool ideo of an animal but this is literally all we have of it

We don't know anything about It besides "Big beerd"

[desert flame]

If you were to add a small primate for an arboreal vivarium, I'd recommend Darwinius or Godinotia.

[median glen]

Galimimmus already in game

[short rover]

Okay? And?

[wary nacelle]

Legitimately just like the first picture off of google

[quick ore]

that doesn't change my point

it's still a very fragmentary taxon with little to go off of

[left spear]

"Argentinosaurus is already in Game"

Might aswell have said that

[plush nacelle]

Gargantuavis lowkey mid

There is so much terrestrial birds to add before it

[left spear]

Actual Garg? Yes

Romantized Garg is top 5 birds tho

It's a Cassowary sized mesozoic bird

Can't really call that boring

[plush nacelle]

how does even romantized garg supposed to look like

from quick wiki read I concluded it would be more in line with something like gastornis

[past mist]

kind of a “glupshitto” but if Thescelosaurus comes back to the roster, Parksosaurus would be a cool alt

i’m heavily biased since it was in WWD3D which was one of my favorite movies as a kid but i think Parkso is neat

[left spear]

And smaller mesozoic Gastornis is a very cool thing

[plush nacelle]

Maybe top 15 bird

[left spear]

It's also from hateg so It gets extra points

[left spear]

There are not other 14 terrestrial birds above It 💀

[left spear]

It's a genericosaur but in a good sense like with Megalo, great filler and DLC material

[lean hound]

What's the backstory on the name thescelosaurus neglectus?

[past mist]

exactly my thought process

[plush nacelle]

Lemme think

[left spear]

"The skeleton, however, remained in its shipping boxes for years until Charles W. Gilmore of the Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of Natural History prepared them for description in a short paper in 1913, naming them T. neglectus , meaning "neglected," for that reason."

[lean hound]

Interesting

[left spear]

"The holotype was discovered in 1891"

Pretty fair i'd say

[past mist]

it also lives up to the name by being neglected by paleo media a lot

i think it was in the original WWD and that’s the only media appearance of it i know of

other than PK which as of now it’s currently scrapped

[left spear]

Not really scrapped

[plush nacelle]

There is definitely 10 above it: dodo, elephant bird, upland moa, giant moa, kelenken, dromornis, gastornis, ornimegalonyx, small terror bird (any), great auk

[left spear]

The shadows realm was kind of a joke

[hollow furnace]

Not really

It’s one of the most scrapped of scrapped

[left spear]

Eh i still expect to come as DLC at some point

[past mist]

i do really hope Tenonto and Nothro come back at least

[left spear]

All of the 50 really

[past mist]

i could live without Thescelo and Sauro but Tenonto and Nothro are too cool imo

not that i don’t want to see Thesceo and Sauro because i definitely do

[left spear]

9, alts don't really count here

But fair list

[plush nacelle]

Are you assuming giant moa and uplan would be alts?

I never really was interested in actual morphology

In theory it is member of different moa family so there could be something going on

[left spear]

They are from different families actually but very similar in physical shape, they have slightly different postures but not that much of an issue, i think It could work

[wary nacelle]

Small terror bird? You mean Llallawavis?

[hollow flower]

As much as I love Gargantuavis it is a bit of a nothingburger for now

[wary nacelle]

Ehh no it’s a bird not a burger

[left spear]

More so Psilopterus i'd wager

[wary nacelle]

Apparently this is the same fossil for both of them

Anyway I suggest Alts

Though which is an alt of which

[left spear]

Psilop the main one by far

[plush nacelle]

Dunno. Psilop outisde one pleistocene bone isnt really notable

As for alt potential

I think second species is reconstructed based on something else

[wary nacelle]

No yeah that skeleton is definitely llallawavis

[plush nacelle]

Ya. This fossil is lallawavis

[wary nacelle]

~~ This full fossil ~~

[plush nacelle]

But I am trying to figure out, which species can be alt for it

[wary nacelle]

Is the small terror bird in PrP ever named or ever said what it was based on?

I had assumed Llallawavis but idk

[plush nacelle]

Never said, but most likely psilopterus thanks to that one bone

[wary nacelle]

Psilopterus could be a good alt

[plush nacelle]

I think it was mesembriornis

[wary nacelle]

Ehh too big

Iirc it was tiny

[plush nacelle]

Llallawavis and mesembriornis

[wary nacelle]

The one in the docu ofc

But that does seem like good for alt tiny terror birds

[steep tulip]

psilopterus miocene remains arent bad

[plush nacelle]

Question is wheter psilopterus is big enough to be even exhibit animal to begin with

70-80 cm tall for bird this build is lowkey small

[steep tulip]

how tall is velociraptor

[plush nacelle]

I think animal dimension is important, because from gameplay standpoint it is all about how easy is to click on it

[steep tulip]

like 60 cm max

not sure

[tulip umbra]

Why tf would anyone even consider this for vivaria?

[plush nacelle]

Assuming ugueto scaling and proportions are right

[slim flare]

Haters

[tulip umbra]

Feel free to show ur size estimation then, this one seems about right imo

[wary nacelle]

Llallawavis is still cool tho

[median relic]

bwomp bwomp bwooooomp

[slim flare]

Winnie the Pooh face

[median glen]

Is that

[feral cedar]

isn't this perfectly fine?

[proper raven]

just a bit too skinny for a bear

[short rover]

No

One of the few bad models in the series

Tbh

[quick ore]

what's wrong with it?

[median relic]

arctodus and arctotherium are often incorrectly portrayed with slimmer bodies, giving the appearance of having super long legs, which is incorrect as they'd have had more fat like an actual bear

tmk

[kind oriole]

maybe he's just come out of hibernation and lost all his fat

[static flame]

yeah if you were to compare it to like, a southern ground hornbill, those have a full yard in my local zoo

[plush nacelle]

This why PK is going to have small problem with vivarium selection

Because it is primarly based on animal size

[short rover]

Proportions are completely wrong

Should look more like this

[ancient ibex]

I honestly don't see the issue, but, I dunno, talk to Naish over that perhaps?

[median glen]

PHP version is cooler idk

[short rover]

I mean I don’t see how you can’t see the difference but

[ancient ibex]

Again, contact the science advisor who is really open to discussion so we can get a better understanding, rather than festering about how they got it wrong

[short rover]

I’m not festering lol just pointing it out. You seem to have more of an issue with the idea of it being incorrect than I do

[ancient ibex]

???

Nah they got it right

[short rover]

You’ve brought up talking to Naish about it twice now, which I have no desire to do. If you’re really curious then you can ask.

[ancient ibex]

So you don't want to understand why it doesn't match with what you find to be the correct restoration then

[inner wedge]

the short faces bear is not short faced?