Community Species Suggestions

[silver steeple]

That's something I don't really see the point in, but I can kinda understand the sentiment

[flint sable]

I like clone species to a degree

as an example

minis

or vivariums

[ancient ibex]

I will just complain about Himalayan brown bear not being an European one lol

[silver steeple]

Now that is fair

[flint sable]

there are probably an absolute buttload of avialans that can use basically everything from archaeopteryx

[silver steeple]

Imo a eurasian brown bear is a eurasian brown bear

[flint sable]

and essentially only change the UI and Model and maybe a few other things

[ancient ibex]

I mean, technically high end of medium, dude is as heavy as Samus, but fair!

[quick ore]

all of the species in game are clone species

[silver steeple]

Unless you're looking at something way out of the ordinary like the colossal ussuri ones

[flint sable]

which if anything thats just being smart with resources, no need for all that entirely new stuff

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/travis-travis-band-neil-primrose-neil-primrose-gif-5819950254952747446

[ancient ibex]

Technically half of the Eurasian distribution is closer to the American subspecies than to the European and West Asia ones, but fair

[silver steeple]

Clones in PK would be far different to what we see in like PZ tbf

[flint sable]

this is specifically for vivarium species btw, habitat species are a bit more complex ofc

[outer moth]

Like, I get that niche endangered species are cool, but the HBB is too limiting in zoo design aspects
I want the EBB to be a more chill version that is easier to please

[ancient ibex]

Vaniilla PZ went weird in the niche endangered/conservation angle

Good thing they did away with it soon after

[silver steeple]

Clones in PK would be like idk

Cory

[ancient ibex]

Cory, Giga

[shell sonnet]

Citpati

[silver steeple]

Yeah exactly

[ancient ibex]

Sucho

[shell sonnet]

Giraffititan

[ancient ibex]

Centro

[silver steeple]

Are they super different? Not exactly but they're far more so than any two modern species

[outer moth]

I mean those animals still hold relatively big value in their histories

[shell sonnet]

Nano

[flint sable]

If we got could get a DLC that was straight up just 20 vivarium species that would be identical to existing ones in rig but straight up just there for diversity sake, I would buy that shit up

obviously still need well made models and such but with PK thats a given

at least nowadays

[outer moth]

I used to see Cory all of the time in old paleomedia

[silver steeple]

Cory is a very popular animal

[shell sonnet]

It's just no longer the Lambeosaur

[silver steeple]

Its like second only to Para on the lambeosaurines side

[outer moth]

Giga’s fragmentary but still pretty big (both in fame and size)

[feral cedar]

the funny thing is popular dinosaurs get so popular that it loops back around to them being underrated because everyone becomes a contrarian and refuses to portray them in anything

[silver steeple]

Tbh I think that rex is almost underrated

[outer moth]

Citipati has a lot of niche cool discoveries connected to it

[silver steeple]

Like looking at the capabilities of that animal, its never really portrayed doing close to that

[ancient ibex]

Giga is respectably complete but poorly described

[outer moth]

Suchomimus?
Just in general a neat theropod in an underrated continent

[shell sonnet]

It's a Spino, they have a natural + 10

[silver steeple]

Lol

[outer moth]

Giraffititan?
Literally just the classic Brachi that ppl see in old paleomedia

[ancient ibex]

The issue with Sucho is that, while making Bary as an alt of Sucho via ontogeny may had been easy, the reverse perhaps not so much

[outer moth]

Most of these animals that are “clones” in the paleo community are still really good

[ancient ibex]

altithorax and brancai, proportion-wise, may be roughly as different as excelsus and ajax after all

[silver steeple]

And that's a good thing

[outer moth]

Yup

And I kinda wanna say the same for PZ

[silver steeple]

I'm not sure why you'd want a clone that isn't a decent or well known animal tho

[outer moth]

They’ve had good underrated picks before

[silver steeple]

At that point it is a bit of a waste

[outer moth]

(Except maybe the quokka, Tree Roo had much more goin for it)

(Yeah I’m still kinda salty abt it)

[silver steeple]

Monkey's paw

Tree Roo as deluxe for PZ2

[outer moth]

Troo

[silver steeple]

Anyway I think I agree with Erior's sentiment on clones

Better suited as "fillers" in a dlc

Rather than a DLC to their own

[feral cedar]

Giganotosaurus is like the only "clone" that could spearhead its own DLC

[silver steeple]

Pretty much

[feral cedar]

Late Cretaceous Argentina DLC

• Austroraptor
• Giganotosaurus
• Maip
• Kelumapusaura

[silver steeple]

Imo switch out Keluma with Secernosaurus

Throw in Stegouros as a mini to "complete" it and bam

[feral cedar]

Kelumapusaura lives with Austroraptor, thought it'd be neat

[shell sonnet]

You didn't include Salta

[feral cedar]

Stegouros lived in Chile

[silver steeple]

I guess I can see the reasoning here

[feral cedar]

OH FUCK

[silver steeple]

Barely

[feral cedar]

I replace the filler kritosaur with Saltasaurus

[silver steeple]

And iirc there's probable stegouros remains from Chorrillo

Pretty sure its not even like a 10km distance between the two

[feral cedar]

Chile is an anorexic ass country lol

no doubt a Chilean dinosaur could range to Argentina

[shell sonnet]

That's what the Andes do to you

[silver steeple]

Stegouros is also like one of maybe two dinos we could ever really get from Chile

[feral cedar]

The other one being Chilesaurus I suppose

[silver steeple]

And that's assuming we could ever get Chilesaurus lol

[feral cedar]

lol

Chilesaurus is the platypus of dinosaurs me thinks

[median relic]

isn't it probably just a noasaur

[silver steeple]

So I think calling Stegouros an honorary argentinian is fine

[feral cedar]

I want Peruvian non-avian dinosaurs already ffs

[outer moth]

I do wonder on how devs will do DLC when the game releases

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/someday-spongebob-maybe-gif-4686651

[silver steeple]

Probably just depends on the dlc

[outer moth]

Peru’s got good Cenozoic rep

[feral cedar]

The best Peruvian dinosaur to add rn is Inkayacu, the weird reddish penguin

I'm totally not biased when I say it's probably the best penguin to add since visually it's very unique

[silver steeple]

Inkayacu would be kinda goated ngl

[feral cedar]

I'm proud to see Thalassocnus was found here

[outer moth]

I get that
Though I do hope they do the flyer n aquatic expansions first to expand DLC possibilities

[feral cedar]

^

[silver steeple]

Peru has the entire Pisco formation

Cenzoic wise its fucking stacked

[feral cedar]

If they lay out good groundwork for flying/aquatic exhibits the DLCs are endless

[silver steeple]

They do plan on doing those early on

[outer moth]

Exactly

Smart devs

[silver steeple]

I do imagine we will see a handful before that though

[feral cedar]

honestly I think that for the most part a lot of fauna is shared across the Andes-adjacent countries

[silver steeple]

Its fairly certain that RE will be before Flyers/Aquatics

[silver steeple]

Yes but they're found all in one place at Pisco

[quick ore]

not a mini what are you talking about

[digital pendant]

and the amazonian region as well

[feral cedar]

So for example Megatherium ranged across Peru, Chile, Argentina, Urugay, and Paraguay

It's just as Peruvian as Argentinian

[digital pendant]

you forgot brazil

[outer moth]

Though since they’re still bent on doing the RE DLC early, I’m thinking they’ll replace Auk/Sea Cow/Haast eagle somehow

[shell sonnet]

And yet, the only thing we'll get is Megatherium

[digital pendant]

on the very south portion

[silver steeple]

Its like if they split HC into like Lance, Scollard, and other stuff

[quick ore]

Stegouros would absolutely be an exhibit species and if it is anything but that would be very disappointing

[digital pendant]

but still brazil

[feral cedar]

oof, it just barely lived in Brazil

[silver steeple]

Not even 1.5m

[quick ore]

idk about "somehow", there are loads of good optiond

[digital pendant]

populator and fatalis are in the game already tbh

[feral cedar]

(according to fossils)

[digital pendant]

both present in peru

[feral cedar]

Oh yeah we have our own tar pits

[shell sonnet]

True

[quick ore]

this is literally psittaco size

[outer moth]

Honestly, I’m all for em doin malagasy hippos if anyth (to fit with the elephant bird)

[silver steeple]

Its not but ok

[quick ore]

it isn't?

[silver steeple]

No

[digital pendant]

we do as well 🔥

[silver steeple]

Even the smallest taco in game is over 1.5m

[quick ore]

there are enough that they wouldn't even need to add said hippos

[outer moth]

Stegouros is pretty much pushing it for vivariums
At best 2 per largest vivarium option

[feral cedar]

I hate how little info I can find on the fauna of the Talara tar pits

[quick ore]

that's just because they have long tails

[silver steeple]

Ok

And the devs go by total length

[quick ore]

we should be looking at an animal's overall size and vibes

[silver steeple]

When deciding what is too large or small

[outer moth]

Though a maximum of 4 can exist since vivariums can still breed (I think)

[quick ore]

do we really know that

[silver steeple]

Yes

[quick ore]

that doesn't make any sense

[silver steeple]

Take it up with them

Not me

[feral cedar]

Stegouros is too big and too normal for vivariums

[digital pendant]

there is quite a bit but needs some digging

[quick ore]

that would mean something like a goat or sheep would be a vivarium animal

[feral cedar]

give me some links if you can

[digital pendant]

doesnt help google always defaults to la brea whenever you search for any tar pit

[outer moth]

It’s a questionable grey area, at best

[digital pendant]

is so annoying

[silver steeple]

I don't see how it's "too normal"

[digital pendant]

sure i will do in #science-chat

[feral cedar]

too normal means it just... walks around

no climbing, no burrowing, nada

[silver steeple]

Like compsognathus

[feral cedar]

Compy is too tiny

[silver steeple]

Also it was found half way in a burrow so

[feral cedar]

WHAT

[outer moth]

I mean they’d use burrows

[silver steeple]

Yeah that's why its like half exploded in situ

[feral cedar]

Wikipedia didn't mention that lol

[silver steeple]

One half (iirc the back half?) was found in basically pristine condition and the other half was picked at and moved around by scavengers

[silver steeple]

Its in the paper describing it afaik

[outer moth]

I’m more of a visual guy so I might be wrong but at least 4 can fit in the biggest box we have

[quick ore]

Thomson's gazelles are 0.9 meters long

[shell sonnet]

I don't think the current burrows we've seen are big enough, but that doesn't they couldn't make them bigger

[quick ore]

imagine seeing a herd of gazelle in a glass box

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-it's-just-the-way-it-is-i'm-just-the-messenger-gif-6270475095135913721

[outer moth]

Well, idk why you’re adding a gazelle into a situation with a fossorial critter

[quick ore]

huh

what situation

[silver steeple]

I'm sure there's some sort of height measurement taken into account

But that's not doing little stegy here any favors

[outer moth]

Either way

I think we might need some visuals to put it into perspective

[silver steeple]

Not a massive difference, but clearly over 1.5m

[outer moth]

I was talking abt Stegouros compared to the biggest vivarium

[silver steeple]

Ooooh

Lol

The largest Viv is 12x16

So you'd easily fit like 10 of them length wise on one side

[outer moth]

I see

So like 4 Stegouros could fit

Max

Though the preferred group size would be 2

Kinda like the Iguanas in PZ

[median relic]

when the inkayacu need some action so I send a keeper to live feed them with early ungulates by dumpin em in the water

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-wheelchair-bus-killed-by-bus-squim-gif-10996261691686240814

[silver steeple]

Lmao

[outer moth]

I hope habitats n aquariums/lagoons can mix so I can make smth like this

[feral cedar]

there’s a few full exhibit-sized animals that burrow which makes me think there should be a placeable burrow or something

[silver steeple]

Yes

[outer moth]

I still need Spino to dive eventually, even if devs aren’t sure if it’s mechanically feasible

[feral cedar]

Thescelosaurus is highly likely to come back, and it seems its family is prone to excavation, so to speak

[silver steeple]

Eh

[outer moth]

(So I can make a Spino underwater viewing area with live fish)

[silver steeple]

Thesc and its closest relatives probably weren't doing a ton of digging

Orodromines on the other hand, they were doing quite a bit

[feral cedar]

Technically Spinosaurus was more of a heron

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-is-it-though-thor-bruce-banner-gif-14242312

[outer moth]

Not this debate again

[feral cedar]

Sereno says wader, Ibrahim says swimmer. They’re bone wars-ing up over here so we turn to what unbiased theropod workers say

[silver steeple]

Regardless of hunting tactics

Spino was swimming and surely diving

[feral cedar]

iirc a lot of theropod workers say it was probably like other spinosaurs, wading in shallow water

@ancient ibex knows more than me

[silver steeple]

The rivers of the area were more than capable of allowing full submersion even with the sail

[outer moth]

What’s to say Spino didn’t straight up do both?
I don’t think a multi-ton theropod would limit itself to one or the other

[ancient ibex]

From the SVP abstracts

[silver steeple]

I mean yeah its feet aren't gonna be like a bird's

Cause its not using its feet the same way

[steep tulip]

I mean it was a 7 tons animal

[silver steeple]

Modern birds with aquatic affinities use their feet to both propulse and steer

Spino would have used its tail

[outer moth]

It has a big ass paddle tail
Works better even if Spino didn’t have webbing on its feet

[silver steeple]

Like any other non-paravian dinosaur

[feral cedar]

A study found the tail was too frail, actually? I think?

[silver steeple]

No

[steep tulip]

The paddle was probably not used for propulsion but more for steering afaik

[silver steeple]

Yall are missing the point

Every theropod used its tail in some measure for propulsion

No reason to believe spino wasn't doing the same

[steep tulip]

Well at least not specialised for it, I'm sure it had enough power for a little propulsion

Yeah

[ancient ibex]

Do you have a source?

[silver steeple]

Its more specialized than any other theropod

[outer moth]

Either way
I feel like a fish/foliage-filled underwater viewing area with diving Spinos sounds sweet in it of itself

[feral cedar]

I think an exhibit where you can watch an animal dive is indeed neat, but unlikely to be Spinosaurus

[ancient ibex]

Analysis of the animal keeps turning out that it wasn't as specialized as assummed, and those assumptions are often Ibrahim's wishful thinking, which was a thing already back in 2014; guy refuses to be cautious

[silver steeple]

I'm fairly certain there's a paper out there somewhere that touches on it but all you gotta do is look at a croc and its clear that "tail paddling" is probably ancestral

[steep tulip]

Do you know if the paper accounts for penguins too?

[silver steeple]

We know that spino's "paddle" is better built for propulsion than any other theropod, though not as good as a croc

[ancient ibex]

It literally isn't

[silver steeple]

You don't just evolve that kind of musculature and structure just to not use it

It is though

[outer moth]

I mean, that or some sort of freshwater plesiosaur would be neat to a degree

[ancient ibex]

Ibrahim 2020 was not supported by any followup studies

[outer moth]

Freshwater aquariums are underrated in Zoos

[steep tulip]

I doubt spinosaurus overall was diving and chasing fish underwater like a cormorant or a crocodile as well
But it definitely was spending a lot of time in the water compared to other spinosaurs, like you don't evolve a barrel shaped body, additional bony mass, a paddle tail, a even more specialised skull morphology for nothing

[silver steeple]

Exactly

Again

Regardless of how it was hunting

It was spending time in the water

And a lot at that

[outer moth]

(Also we NEED background/filler fish for aquariums in PK, I hate it when tanks are mostly empty)

[steep tulip]

As for the webbed feet, I will have to first read the paper, but imo modern birds might not be the best analogues (depending what they used in the study as well)

[outer moth]

Wasn’t an active predator, but I could still see it diving to ambush the occasional tricky fish/plesiosaur

Or to chill

Or to even hide from Carchas

[coarse inlet]

My guess would be that chilling is the likely answer, it was really hot in the Albian-Cenomanian wasnt it?

[flint sable]

yes

iirc it was like

the highest sea levels have ever been in the entire phanerozoic

if thats any indication

[silver steeple]

One of the warmest parts in earth's history iirc

Not counting like the Hadean or whatever

[outer moth]

Either way, hope the devs add diving or walking on the bottom of the water for Spino, would benefit the aquatic nature of the animal

[silver steeple]

Bottom walking would be fun

[hollow furnace]

really hope they can do the diving workaround and bottom walking

[silver steeple]

Is it that it wasn't supported or wasn't touched on

Cause those are two entirely different things

[hollow furnace]

I feel even just those two limited things could make underwater movement feel really dynamic

[silver steeple]

Cause I've never seen anyone try

[outer moth]

Also, there’s a desperate need for aquatic plants if we were to get aquariums (especially ones that could mix with habitats)

[hollow furnace]

(and underwater viewing as well hopefully)

[silver steeple]

Definitely

[silver steeple]

This is the biggest thing imo

Hopefully the new water rendering helps them achieve that

[coarse inlet]

yeah so it'd make sense if Spino had a hippo-like activity cycle, chill in the water during the day, active when it gets cooler

[outer moth]

Essentially, both aquariums/lagoons and aviaries should be able to work/connect with habitats in some way

[hollow furnace]

Based on what we know, I don't think the new water rendering will really impact that, but hopefully we can get it regardless

[silver steeple]

Well for the normal vivariums that shouldn't be an issue

[silver steeple]

Well underwater viewing kinda relies on you being able to actually see the stuff under the surface

Which is what the new rendering does

[outer moth]

That way, one could make an enclosed dome filled with pterosaurs, fish, and other species from KemKem or Bahariya

[outer moth]

I’m talkin abt future aviaries

[silver steeple]

I see

Maybe

[outer moth]

That, and the Spino

[hollow furnace]

I mean ig, the issue is more making it so water actually conforms to underwater viewing barriers, which doesn't really matter how it's rendered from a technical standpoint

[silver steeple]

Well yes

That's a different thing tho

[coarse inlet]

the way they talked about it made it seem like it does

[silver steeple]

I'm more so talking about this tackling a small part of a larger problem

[coarse inlet]

like they said that the new way of rendering is related to determining volume or something

[outer moth]

I can already imagine the concepts in my head

Tapejarids flying overhead, Spinosaurs wading and swimming about, and the waters being deep and teeming with life
All while still containing the realistic principles of a zoo habitat
I mean hippo enclosures tend to do this a lot, hence why it was easy to think up of this concept

[silver steeple]

@feral cedar

It was in the supplementary

[outer moth]

(Idk what pterosaurs Spino lived with, but I’d assume Tapejarids would be in the picture)

[hollow furnace]

A lot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kem_Kem_Group#Pterosaurs

[flint sable]

quite the diversity

azdarchoids, tapejarids, even tropeognathids

[outer moth]

So it still works

[flint sable]

although idk if keeping spinosaurus specifically with pterosaurs would work

maybe if they were small enough to where it wouldnt really care but I could definitely see a spinosaurus just chomping one up if it got the chance

pterosaurs probably wouldnt mind a baby spinosaurus snack either, but thats less of a concern imo

[outer moth]

I’d put in faux mud walls to seperate planters from the spinosaurus, so I think maybe the pterosaurs could live up there

[river perch]

heartwarming, scavengers left the most interesting part of the anatomy intact for us ❤️

[flint sable]

I mean its a videogame either way, you should be able to do it in sandbox if you desires

but in challenge mode idk if that would work

[outer moth]

Plus I’m mentioning only Tapejarids cuz I know Azdarchids n Ornithocheirids would NOT fit with any Spinos or fish present

And this whole hypothetical habitat might only be possible if aviaries n aquariums can link up with regular habitats

Which I’m hoping happens, but at the same time, it’s not too guaranteed

[faint oak]

RIGHT???????

RIGHT?????

it could have been SO GOOD

🥀

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

also a rotator but ridley is based af

also cause they left lucario dead in a ditch on the switch to ultimate from 4 rip

[slim flare]

Ellen Ripley???

[faint oak]

woagh.....

[ancient ibex]

Mewtwo got hit bad with the transition too; still got the Melee skills so it still works, but my poor ball charging Pokemon 🙁

[quick ore]

Shadow would have been so peak

literally the only mii costume I saw people actually care about was Sans if they used their resources to make character costumes and echo fighter dlc's it would have been so much better

[full quartz]

The final boss Goose
🪿 * HONK * 🪿
Genyornis newtoni, a giant flightless bird hailing from Pleistocene Australia sometimes nicknamed the Giga-Goose.

Honestly I’d love this one! I can imagine making a duck pond by a hotel or restaurant and have a few of these floating around on the pond.

[amber field]

Demon ducks !! they are great

[full quartz]

They so are! Really cool critters

[mint creek]

Hell yeah

[amber field]

Just imagine how the game would look like if we have system like PoT modding kit

[full quartz]

would make for some cool add! I take it prehistoric kingdom isnt very modable

[amber field]

At least not officially

some here has managed to mode it a bit

[full quartz]

yeah remeber looking a while ago, not seen any species mods tho.

[amber field]

Yeah , I think that need to wait until post EA

[calm sedge]

Any of them would be nice. If my small Bois aren't included.

[left spear]

Borderline made up animal on the bottom of the second image

If we get a large Phorusracid along Kele i'd much rather have Devincencia

Tho ideally It would be a three way alt between the three

[calm sedge]

Apparently terror birds had sickle claws, which I don't see depicted that much.
And some dinosaurs/other creatures are almost hallucinations, given they make up an animal with very little bone fossils to support it looking like anything. Quetzalcoatlus being one of them comes to mind.

[low bridge]

Andalgalornis is neat pick, smaller terror bird is good alternative

[left spear]

It's a recent Discovery, 2022 i think, so most Phorusracid paleoart is from before.

[left spear]

Psilop alt

[calm sedge]

That would make sense.

[silver steeple]

It's not

It's something we've known since the 40's

From the Field Museum, 4/20/1948

It's not shown held off the ground much, but it's very clearly bigger than the other claws

https://www.kkinstagram.com/p/CvIAGsYM-TN/?igsh=MWR6cnQwaHp2MXFkZQ==

This shows the left foot a little better

Clearly larger and differently shaped

[steep tulip]

Insane sculpture

[silver steeple]

Fr

But yeah we've known about the claw for a long time

It's just been disregarded in a good chunk of reconstructions until quite recently

[steep tulip]

Seriemas also have it

[plush nacelle]

To distinct to be alt

There is no psilopterus proper, but generally psliopterines are build lighter compared to other terror birds

[left spear]

Mb, the footprints that showed It were from 2022/3 tho right?

[limpid sable]

Top 25 Creatures I Would Like Added Into Prehistoric Kingdom - If the Official Release Goes Well

1. Orcinus Citoneinsis

2. Aulophyseter Morricei

3. Rhizodus Hibbeti

4. Atractosteus Grandei

5. Janjucetus

6. Dorudon Atrox

7. Austroraptor

8. Haast’s Eagle

9. Armadillosuchus

10. Kumimanu Fordycei

11. Enhydriodon

12. Xiphiorynchus

13. Parapuzosia Seppenradensis

14. Palaeophis Collosus

15. Pontolis Magnus

16. Xiphactinus

17. Titanoceratops

18. Hippopotamus Gorgops

19. Thalassotitan Atrox

20. Itchyovenator Laosensis

21. Kronosaurus Queenslandicus

22. Maip Macrothorax

23. Shunosaurus

24. Yangchuanosaurus

25. Marrapunisaurus Fragilimus

Honourable Mentions:


Pyroraptor

Thylacoleo

[hexed star]

I only need beelzebufo and I'll be happy

[feral cedar]

don’t want to be that guy but Raptorex is probably just a juvi Tarbosaurus

[limpid sable]

Wait a minute I was looking at an outdated version.

[ancient ibex]

Raptorex is a mess because it was fucking bought from a fossil dealer

[limpid sable]

f those guys

[ancient ibex]

"look at this Yixian early tyrannosaur" "oh wait, it is a juvenile Tarbosaurus from the Nemegt"

May be an Alectrosaur if it comes from Iren Dabasu

But it IS very similar to juvenile Tarbosaurus

[limpid sable]

I replaced it with Shunosaurus

[kind oriole]

Back on Stegouros, even if it technically fits in a vivarium, it would be limited in its movement

[tulip umbra]

Stegouros needs to be free habitat

[faint oak]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-grave-gif-10458550

[kind oriole]

Seeing how Tiktaalik will fit about 3-4 animals in the largest aquatic Vivarium, according to Mau, it makes sense for this species because it's not as active

[tulip umbra]

Stegouros simply doesnt have any technical limitations like tiktaalik

Hes just pushing the size boundary a little

[kind oriole]

yeah, the Vivariums work for slightly larger animals only if it's animations are going to be more chill. We'd have to compare with how we feel Compsognathus runs around and if that's acceptable for similarly sized but very active dinosaurs

[tulip umbra]

Even huge ones like arthropleura would go in there if people like it or not

Compy will do fine in the larger ones for sure, but the small vivarium from the clips does feel slightly cramped

[feral cedar]

How big is Tiktaalik? I’m not sure about it but it looks bigger than the concept art let on

[shell sonnet]

The one in game or real life?

[glass snow]

Tiktaalik in pk is around 2 meters

in game

[hollow furnace]

seems bigger then the concept art, yeah

[feral cedar]

neat

[desert flame]

Aquatic animals and large flying animals may be added after the EA if sales are good, so I think it will be quite some time before they are added.

[fiery crow]

with the support the devs have been getting so far it seems like sales will be good

I’d hate for all their hard work to end up being for nothing

[faint oak]

this is why we all must shill like we've never shilled before

[fiery crow]

would Cladoselache be viable as an Amphibious vivarium animal, or is it too aquatic for that

[shell sonnet]

It's aquatic through and through

[quick ore]

Anyone else think Josephoartigasia would be a really cool addition? It's my most wanted rodent aside from Ceratogaulus as a viv species and I think it would do a lot for showing the wide diversity of unique species that inhabit cenozoic South America. Plus it would basically be like a stand-in for a capybara lol

[fiery crow]

I also wanna see Nuralagus and Castoroides for some rodent rep

[short rover]

It wasn’t really similar to a capy at all, it was partially related but it would’ve been terrestrial

[fiery crow]

isn’t it believed that it looked more like a giant pacarana

[quick ore]

Nuralagus ain't a rodent

[fiery crow]

…aren’t rabbits rodents

[shell sonnet]

No

related but not the same thing

[quick ore]

oh ik it wasn't actually like a capybara but it would be close enough that you could make jokes and stuff as if it was

[quick ore]

nah, they're lagomorphs

related to rodents but not rodents

[plush nacelle]

While rodents would be fun

Rodent-mimic ungulates from south america would be even funnier

[quick ore]

¿por que no los dos?

[fiery crow]

more South American reps in general would be nice
Granastrapotherium (and some astrapotheres in general)
Irritator
Macrauchenia
Prionosuchus

[quick ore]

I hope we get Proborhyaena and Thylacosmilus

Thylaco feels like a given but Proborhyaena would be cool given it is potentially the largest predatory metatherian ever

[fiery crow]

more Ice Age animals in general
some Australian megafauna like Procoptodon, Diprotodon, Wonambi, Quinkana, and Varanus priscus would be sweet

[ancient ibex]

Solely because we changed what "rodent" meant to explicity exclude them, after a century of them being rodents, because phylopessimism had people pondering rabbits being close to horses instead.

There is a reason behind Lagomorpha following the naming conventions of rodent suborders

Mammal taxonomy tends to be messier than it should, while avian taxonomy is highly redundant

[median relic]

what entelodont reps do you guys want?

[low bridge]

Archaeotherium ( Tiny entelodont which lived with Megacerops) , Daeodon, that's all

[median relic]

tough for me because
daeodon is iconic
archaeotherium is unique in a way
paraentelodon is the biggest and lived with paraceratherium
and andrewsarchus is... andrewsarchus

[steep tulip]

Daeodon and the weird guy
I forgot the name of that one but it was weird and small

[fiery crow]

as much as I’d like to see Andrewsarchus the fact that we only have the skull of it means it probably won’t ever get in PK

[median relic]

I mean

we already have a good amount of fragmentary animals in game

ok that's a bad reason but...

andrewsarchus is cool man

I guess it's just not worth the risk

[low bridge]

Take Synthetoceras and add my money

[fiery crow]

don’t have more than just the skull for most of them

[hollow furnace]

Carcharodontosaurus

[steep tulip]

I think it was archaeotherium

[hollow furnace]

Leaellynasaura

Parasaurolophus cyrtocriststus and Charonosaurus

[fiery crow]

doesn’t the holotype for Carcharodontosaurus have more than just the skull though

[hollow furnace]

The neotype does not

And the holotype isn’t Carch anymore

It’s a different genus

[fiery crow]

I still imagine it’d be pretty difficult to put Andrewsarchus in considering we don’t know a lot about how it looked

[hollow furnace]

We know it’s a basal entelodont

Just use an entelodont body

[fiery crow]

man I still remember back when Walking with Beasts came out and it was believed Andrewsarchus was related to sheep

[median relic]

daeodon with archaeotherium and paraentelodon alts, andrewsarchus

or are those two too different to be alts of daeodon

[hollow furnace]

Now it’s believed to be related to hippos and whales

And therefore by extension sheep

Evil and intimidating hoofstock

[median relic]

doesn't apply to andrewsarchus anymore but that clade was very much a real one, and I'd love to see some of them in game

[low bridge]

Go with Titanotylopus

[median relic]

my favorite mesonychid

[fiery crow]

these are the mesonychids right

I remember reading that scientists believed they were whale ancestors at one point

considering how funky whale evolution was I’d believed them

[median relic]

yes I think

[stiff summit]

https://tenor.com/view/parasaur-giant-crocodile-bite-gif-17282321

deinosuchus

[frosty torrent]

Anteosaurus

[meager mountain]

I hope for gargantuavis, Mainly due to the fact it was the largest known bird of mesazoic (Not counting dinosaurs)
Alos hateg needs some representation, why not throw this guy in there with some hateg dinos

[slim flare]

Unfortunately we don’t really know what it is

[left spear]

I like Garg but It's literally only a pelvis

This is all

[slim flare]

Gargantuavis is a great example of people being in love with the concept, not the species

[left spear]

Oxalaia and Nanuq are the same

[meager mountain]

just gotta hope the concept is reality

[left spear]

I mean

It is

We just don't know much about that reality

[meager mountain]

Dont want a theri situation

or a dakotaraptor

[left spear]

Eh those are pretty different

Can't be a Theri since the pelvis is clearly avian, can't really missidentify that unlike claws

[slim flare]

It may be related to Balaur

[left spear]

And Dakota is a Chimaera which It can't be here since it's a single fratment

[ancient ibex]

Dakota's holotype being likely chimeric (as in, it isn't a specific bone, but a series of bones) makes it prone to falling apart as well

[slim flare]

Likely undiagnostic

[tardy whale]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-world-evolution-2-sinosauropteryx-feathered-species-pack-gif-6792894806964675525

[coarse inlet]

Gargantuavis probably didn’t look like that but it’s hard to say for sure

If it’s a Balaur relative then definitely not

[slim flare]

My hard-line rule is anything we don’t even confidently know the clade of to reconstruct properly should not be done.

[coarse inlet]

Agreed

Except when it’s an edge case like Tullimonstrum or Chilesaurus where it’s well known despite the taxonomic uncertainty

[old crater]

Shringasaurus

[slim flare]

Those cases are distinct because the reconstruction is roughly, if not completely, unchanged by knowing what clade it’s from because they’re so well preserved.

But Balaur or Brontornis change completely by what they are

[coarse inlet]

Yeah

I’m agreeing with you

[feral cedar]

Say it louder for all the Bajadasaurus and Jakapil people

[quick ore]

Andrewsarchus wasn't an entelodont what

[ancient ibex]

It seems to be one

[quick ore]

wait huh?

ok looking rn it seems to still be contentious, unless a recent paper says otherwise

[slim flare]

Like basal entelodont

[slim flare]

Eh

I don’t think anyone disagrees that Bajadasaurus is a Dicraeosaurid. It’s highly fragmentary but its clade isn’t the issue at all.

[quick ore]

also Balaur, Pachystruthio, Dinopithecus, and Kaprosuchus

[slim flare]

Jakapil is cladistically irrelevant (imo). Again, it’s just fragmentary, but tbf we do have major aspects like the mandible, arm material, leg material and some armour. The bigger issue is it’s a juvenile as well, which combined makes it kinda blurry.

But it is not the problem I described

[steep tulip]

balaur aint too bad
like we have most of the body

[slim flare]

No

Balauar is awful because we don’t know what it is

[quick ore]

oh also Imperobator

[slim flare]

I don’t really agree with Kaprosuchus.

Or Dinopithecus, and probably not Pachystruthio

[quick ore]

people want the outdated idea of Kapro as some cool terrestrial crocodile when it was really more like a regular croc with a funky head

[flint sable]

ye

there are much better crocs to choose from, although its not a terrible pick as just

mesozoic crocodile

but id want the larger ones first

[quick ore]

most people who want Dinopithecus want a killer baboon and not the actual animal it was

[steep tulip]

well true but be it a dromeosaur with 2 sickle claws or a paravian with 2 sickle claws, not all that much changes imo

[quick ore]

and Pachystruthio is a very fragmentary species who we can only currently assume was an upscaled ostrich

[slim flare]

Excuse me?

[steep tulip]

also both mahanjanga and kapro are very unique

most notosuchians arent semi aquatic

[quick ore]

oh, huh

[slim flare]

Actually everything changes really

[quick ore]

didnt expect those legs

i just heard that it was semi aquatic and lived more like modern crocs

[slim flare]

And Kaprosuchus seems far less aquatic than Mahajangasuchus

[quick ore]

oops

my bad

[slim flare]

Yeah I can see that

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/647c3f974c6910145932e1dc/0fa41ea4-97ae-4959-b22f-a80bfeb66aa5/Kaprosuchus1.jpg

Like yeah I don’t expect this complete fiction to be true

[steep tulip]

fair enough
but I feel like balaur being very very close to bird never had that much footing to begin with

[slim flare]

If Kaprosuchus had the legs of Mahajangasuchus alone, it’d be pretty damn unique

Plus it lived with Carch and Spino

[steep tulip]

I hope devs will give them more unique scutes distribution

too many recons just slap crocodilians scutes on them

[slim flare]

I do wish Simo had a bit more of a unique patterning tbh

It’s just kinda “stereotypical crocodilian”

[tulip umbra]

Well the vivarium animals are only getting one skin, and pk devs seem to place a priority on at least having one nice realistic skin

[median relic]

ok gargantu and jakapil yeah but why bajada?

unless you're just referring to the fact that it did indeed have sails after all

[median relic]

I mean would you really say that's much of an exaggeration though

[median relic]

I'm still skeptical they were just like normal crocs tbh

[median relic]

are you sure?

[ancient ibex]

It has a grand total of a single cervical spine preserved

This is all we have

[median relic]

oh-

still tbh the inference usually made for it doesn't seem implausible

[ancient ibex]

It is pretty much highly exaggerated with an assumption of keratinous spikes tho

I'm lowkey skeptical of those being forward pointing in life, rather than being warped by the fossilization process

[outer moth]

Everyone just used to depict it as a mesonychid

Hence the association

But Andrew’s an entelodont

[outer moth]

D.P. Drawing, not accurate Shringa

[coarse inlet]

that's not Peters

it's from the paper describing it

the posture is just different from most reconstructions

[hollow furnace]

I swear have people actually looked at peters stuff? Because you can easily tell if something is peters and like half the time I see people say something is his nowadays its just any skeletal with slightly off proportions and non of his hallmarks

[hollow flower]

Ive sent that skeletal myself before and it got called a peters skeletal then aswell

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

C. iguidensis is probably not carch (SVP abstract from this year iirc) and the Spino is that weird one that Sereno's team is working on

Which is very explicitly not aegypticus

[digital bridge]

Moetherium

[feral cedar]

How good would it be to add all three prominent Smilodon-adjacent glyptodonts to PK?

I could see Doedicurus and Glyptodon+Glyptotherium alt combo

Doedicurus has a spiky tail club, like ankylosaurines, whereas Glyptodon's shorter tail covered in osteoderms is almost polacanthine

[low bridge]

Neat idea

[short rover]

I wouldn’t be mad with glyptodons inclusion at all

[tulip umbra]

Then just peltephilus in vivarium and you’ve got perfect armadillo rep

Perhaps Pampatherium but thats only extra

[low bridge]

Glyptodon, Doedi, Glyptotherium are 3 most needed anyways

[feral cedar]

Parapropalaehoplophorus would be hilarious

Russian doll name glyptodont

Another one of those I'd gladly pay money just to hear Nigel try to pronounce, like Opisthocoelicaudia

[low bridge]

Devs would got Headache reading this name

[feral cedar]

that's the point

[low bridge]

Besides Glyptodonts , what about Myotragus, Nuralugus Rex????

[wind fractal]

I think there's a lot of species that can fit the game well so I'll share my suggestions based mostly on what would be unique for the game:
Permian fauna is a must even outside of Vivariums, I'll also lump in non-dinosaur animals from the Triassic as they don't often get representation either. Suggestions include Dimetrodon (plenty of species to pick from), Edaphosaurus, Cotylorhynchus, Incanstrevia, Scutosaurus, Lisowicia, Desmatosuchus, Saurosuchus, and Shringasaurus to name a few.

From the Jurassic and Cretaceous, I think there's already plenty great reps, but for some additional suggestions of terrestrial fauna, a "nodosaurid" like Borealopelta, Edmontonia, or Sauropelta would be a welcome addition, as would a therizinosaur, megaraptoran, and abelisaur as those are also groups without any representatives, at least as far as I'm aware.

In the Cenozoic I think some older fauna would be great, things like Arsinoitherium, a calicothere, and Thylacosmilus. Pleistocene Australian megafauna would also be welcome as mentioned above. I also would like to see a large flightless bird, could be Gastornis, a phorusrachid, or even a Moa or Elephant bird to name a few. I also would love to see a ground sloth and glyptodont as I have a strong bias to them, admitedly, but also for how unique they are.

Lastly for vivariums, I'm loving what has been shown so far and I can't wait to see the others that will come in the next update. A couple of potential additions could be Drepanosaurus and Repenomamus or Didelphodon for a Mesozoic mammal.

Lastly, not sure if it is planned, but a full on aquarium built in a similar way to vivariums would be a wonderful addition, and if there's one species I'd love to see get added, it would be a certain Cambrian species that we need to pay tribute to. Anomalocaris.

[tulip umbra]

Flashbang!

[low bridge]

Perfect Easter Addition

What u guys think abt that?

[neat pivot]

Basilosaurus? would be great for possible future aquatics update

[short rover]

Speaking of vivariums, I wonder what people’s consensus on the unknown creatures for next update are; mine are castorocauda, drepanosaurus, thrinaxodon, and tianyulong

[tulip umbra]

Nanotyrannus

[left spear]

That's... A very specific pick for the funky dino

[tulip umbra]

Its all gonna be Nanotyrannus

[left spear]

But otherwise wise yeah the other are most likely that

[left spear]

That going on RE

Quite obvious if you ask me

[quick ore]

having an easter themed dlc is silly, when has a zoo sim ever even done that?

[short rover]

Heteredontosaur, is cool

[low bridge]

Why

[tulip umbra]

Mind you easter is not celebrated world wide

[quick ore]

It's an explicitly christian holiday, and typically video games like Planet Zoo just have generic "holiday" themed stuff around winter when a lot of different holidays occur, along with halloween which isn't religious

so it would feel out of place

[tulip umbra]

If any holiday were to get celebrated aside from Christmas and halloween it would usually be Chinese New Year.

In game*

[quick ore]

or like a general new year type thing

like how iirc PZ had like a free new years dlc

[plush nacelle]

Mind you, if there is one holiday Frontier never skips

It is Easter

[slim flare]

Technically Halloween is a Christian holiday but few see it that way anymore

[plush nacelle]

I think DLC for Planet Zoo always used to release exactly 5 days before easter monday

Expect in 2024 where console edition replaced barnyard pack in doing so

[digital pendant]

If anything Halloween is way less celebrated than Easter worldwide

The arguments against easter themed stuff fall short imo

[slim flare]

Well yeah

[digital pendant]

You can make fun easter stuff thats generic and fits pk

Just like with the christmas stuff

[slim flare]

Eggs!!!

[plush nacelle]

It also depends on main audience, which is reason why some games see chinese year celebrated

[slim flare]

Honestly idk why you’d complain that a holiday is included just because it’s religious

[digital pendant]

Generic east asian holiday stuff would be cool for themed items as well

[short rover]

Rabbits and eggs and flowers have kinda become a broad “spring” vibe too

Same with carved pumpkins in fall, tree lights in winter, etc

[digital pendant]

pretty much

[ancient ibex]

Except the spring celebrations predate christianity, and the usual bunny and colorful eggs approach is nowhere near religious, so. fair game IMO

[tulip umbra]

Aside from religion and allat

In gaming halloween is the most popular

Then christmas > lunar new year > easter > valentine

[slim flare]

Just like what Lovecraft said about Christmas

It was the Yuletide, that men call Christmas though they know in their hearts it is older than Bethlehem and Babylon, older than Memphis and mankind.

[ancient ibex]

Solstices and equinoxes have been consistently celebrated

[quick ore]

fair point ig

sorry if my argument was dumb

[ancient ibex]

It wasn't

Fair point ttbt

[digital pendant]

yeah but that has more to do with a clear bias on the fact that a lot of major and indie studios are american and cater primarily to their american audiences

for which there is nothing wrong with, just something to consider

[abstract compass]

Palworld sure knew what to do to become a success

[tulip umbra]

Eh, id say halloween and christmas are the most popular holidays in pop culture as a whole even reaching in other religion countries

[digital pendant]

christmas its a whole different beast

talking strictly of halloween

[plush nacelle]

Nocturnal Pack for PK with idk

Troodontid and anurognathid

Small mammal

[tulip umbra]

As a half Malaysian that visits quite often i speak from personal experience that halloween is also very popular there

[digital pendant]

interesting didnt know

the complete opposite in most of latin america lol

its mostly an excuse for kids to dress up and for some people to throw parties, but thats about it for the most part from what im aware off

at least in my country is largely ignored

[tulip umbra]

Id say halloween and christmas are the most popular in pop culture bcs of the activities they represent (gift giving and dressing up are super fun), easter while yes celebrated by many technically not many really care abt the whole concept of hunting eggs

[digital pendant]

the hunting eggs part is super niche

but easter as a tradition is celebrated more than halloween itself

halloween is mostly from american influence

though this isn the chat to really argue about that stuff now that i think of it

[tulip umbra]

I agree, so my point on its not as worldwide celebrated stands corrected

My perception was mostly coming from a gaming perception as that has the most influence on pk afterall

So shouldve said most celebrated in gaming

[digital pendant]

yeah in gaming is a whole different story for sure

[ancient ibex]

All saints is quite prevalent fwiw, but I've seen Halliween displace it in the last 20 years or so

[digital pendant]

unfortunate

but oh well

[faint oak]

Juravenator has been recovered as highly aquatic in a new study that just dropped

and its further backed up by the ISOs that were found on jura a while back

so

Juravenator for semiaquatic vivi???

god i would love just like

a colony of them that get to dive underwater and swim around like puffins and stuff

dinotter

[slim flare]

Spinosaurid…

[faint oak]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-spray-squirt-annoyed-irritated-gif-4445288

he is a strong independant taxon!!!1!

[hollow flower]

How intruiging

I always mix up Juratyrant and Juravenator

[faint oak]

true

[short rover]

Wait this is really cool

[slim flare]

Which Compy was said to be a Spinosaurid?

[hollow furnace]

Skippy

[slim flare]

Ah

[hollow furnace]

Idr where cau put Jura

[faint oak]

right?????

[short rover]

Anth cooking as usual

And that’s just cool in general if true

[hollow flower]

Good lord I didnt know it was this tiny

I know its a juvenile but still

Thought it was like dog sized

[short rover]

I think the adults are estimated to be that size afaik

[tulip umbra]

Tf is this thing eating in the water? Guppies??

[short rover]

It’s a baby

[faint oak]

^

[slim flare]

Juvenile Megalosaurus

[mint creek]

clearly a juvenile nanotyrannus

[abstract compass]

Anth is the major source of shenanigans here

[median relic]

wait wait

I thought it was a baby

of a land megalosaur

[hollow furnace]

No

Juravenator wasn’t even included in Cau’s analysis iirc

[median relic]

wait so then wth is it

[hollow furnace]

Probably a coelurosaur of some kind

Potentially a megalosaur or tetanuran

[hollow flower]

I suppose it would explain how spinosaurids emerged out of megalosauroids

[hollow furnace]

If it was a basal spinosauroid maybe, but it hasn’t really ever been recovered there

More likely an independent evolution

[past mist]

Buitreraptor could be a pretty cool vivarium animal

it’s the right size and was likely capable of some level of flight as well while being mostly a ground dweller so i think it would be decently unique

plus i mean

it’s super cute

[median relic]

flight???

nahh

[past mist]

the same study that assigned Unenlagiidae as Avialans

[median relic]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-eyes-pop-out-gif-2304724474379615150

[median relic]

ok I'm still not sure about that though

unenlagiids/unenlagiines jump between dromaeosaurs and avialans so frequently

[past mist]

even if they’re Dromaeosaurs or their own thing that doesn’t rule out flight

Microraptor

that’s a Dromaeosaur and can still fly

and the way Unenlagiids look doesn’t really change based on their classification anyways so it’s probably not too relevant to the game anyways

[median relic]

well yeah microraptor has several obvious adaptations for it

[past mist]

true

[median relic]

buitreraptor just kinda looks fairly typical for a unenlagiine, I guess it does have longer arms than mose

but like...??

[past mist]

plus Juvenile Deinonychus are generally thought to be able to fly due to their arms growing faster than the body so even among “normal” Raptors flight is still a thing for juveniles of some species

at least by some

i shouldn’t have said generally since it’s not the most widespread hypothesis

[median relic]

I'm having trouble imagining this flying

[past mist]

but it’s not a fringe theory

[past mist]

they weighed like 5 pounds

[median relic]

I thought that was unlikely-

[past mist]

so that’s probably part of it

[median relic]

their wings aren't big enough

[past mist]

yeah i kinda overstated how widespread that hypothesis is but it’s not a fringe theory by any means either

[past mist]

it’s probably like chicken type flight

flying for a few seconds

idk the specifics of it but i’d imagine it’s probably something like that

[median relic]

hadn't considered that

but like, even that is pushing it..

is it really proportioned for even that?

[past mist]

it’s arms are pretty big so maybe

[median relic]

I just... how??

does that animal look like it could fly to you?

ok maybe but like every other unenlagiine has tiny arms and/or is way bigger

[past mist]

i feel like it’s arms look big enough to fly

[median relic]

weak flight would be helpful to cross the lake

[median relic]

yeah maybe I'm just imagining it wrong

[past mist]

especially if it’s just for short bursts

[median relic]

and it's smaller than I've been imagining it's only like knee height

[past mist]

Buitre probably wasn’t piscivorous as it’s teeth are more normal so maybe flight was helpful for hunting

[median relic]

oh wtf

was this thing basal or something?

[past mist]

idk

but yeah i think Buitre would be a fun vivarium animal at some point

plus, South America rep is always nice

[median relic]

herons still have larger wings

[slim flare]

I’m more concerned with a breastbone of equivalent

Need very strong arm muscles

Although I guess idk what Micro was doing

[median relic]

true

hyaenodontids

how do you want em

hyaenadon gigas, with horridus and megistotherium alt?

wait they're way less closely related than I thought

I just kind of think of all hyaenodontids as similar I guess-

[civic terrace]

Rusingoryx - an antelope with sinuses so bizarre, the closest example of it would be Lambeosaurine hadrosaurs. So it may have made some truly bizarre noises.

[frosty torrent]

Macroeuphractus

[mental goblet]

Torosaurus and Madtsoia because for torosaurus it would be cool to see these unique frills as for madtsoia I like snakes so it deserves to get added

[quick ore]

Madtsoia would be a cool viv species

and if vivs have alts maybe Wonambi could be an alt

[mental goblet]

Concavenator could possibly be a great addition but idk abt that

[feral cedar]

Not sure how realistic it’d be but I’d love it if Wonambi was actually very colorful as a reference to the theory that it’s the inspiration for the “Rainbow Serpent” of the Aboriginal people’s folklore

[feral cedar]

What’s that

[hollow furnace]

Sunbeam snake

[quick ore]

reminds me of the iridescence of rainbow boas

[flint sable]

I think an alt for vivvarium species would be a lot simpler than uhhh

full exhibits

[potent sierra]

Megalania

[flint sable]

basically everything would stay the same except for the model and UI ideally, probably some other minor things

hope they utilize that in a future update

all the animations could be reused basically

and no ontogeny

so much easier to implement

once the system is fully in place

probably

[feral cedar]

boring ass reconstruction

When it could be something like this

[sudden ice]

A Humble Request for some species :]

• Any of the nice species of Moa, but specifically Dinornis robustus, Dinornis novaezealandiae, and the ** Anomalopteryx didiformis** would be awesome.

[mental goblet]

Here's a DLC of recently extinct animals tell me what ya think

[sudden ice]

oh this is great. thylacine is awesome too

is this in an actual dlc coming out? i’m unaware

[hollow furnace]

It is!

[sudden ice]

oh exciting!!

[hollow furnace]

A recently extinct DLC is planned to be one of the first dlcs post full release

So far, quagga+wild horse alt and moas are confirmed

[mental goblet]

haast eagle...

Sld I include the baiji?

[sudden ice]

id love to see that and stuff like the mauisaurus, taniwhasaurus, kaiwhekea etc (but am assuming water animals is a bit more difficult)

[mental goblet]

here's an 8th animal to be added

[proper raven]

if the game does well on full launch then aquatics would be great

[sudden ice]

is there a list somewhere or roadmap of species being added?

there’s others i’d love but don’t want to request if they’re already on it

[proper raven]

https://tenor.com/view/it-a-surprise-liz-lemon-tina-fey-30rock-theres-a-surprise-gif-21977199

[mental goblet]

Baiji needs to get added

Maybe Kaui oo

[proper raven]

only ones solidly confirmed are Utahraptor, Allo (Saurophaganax alt), and Stego

[hollow furnace]

https://trello.com/b/JAp8HMuy/prehistoric-kingdom-public-roadmap

[fresh ember]

And Baryonyx.

[proper raven]

yea

[sudden ice]

begging and praying for a sinosauropteryx addition. i love little guys

[hollow furnace]

And Carnotaurus is soft confirmed

[sudden ice]

mononykus also

[proper raven]

well, going off the blurred Patreon img

:)))))

who knows

[frosty torrent]

Warrah from islands malvinas

[river perch]

they look sad 😦

[shell sonnet]

they're extinct, why wouldn't they be

[flint sable]

not a bad pick

I would personally swap D. movazealandiae for the Upland Moa, since it has very nice soft tissue remains

but most of the moa species are great picks reguardless

[sudden ice]

true! i will accept any moa. it would be a dream world to have them all

[mental goblet]

Does anyone even know what this guy is?

[last thistle]

Najash

[sudden ice]

the ones i suggested were the two biggest ones (afaik) and the smallest one. i wanted a north and south island moa represented

[flint sable]

indeed

iirc Anomalopteryx is from both

ye it is

actually predominantly from there

[coarse inlet]

land megalosaurs arent real

[coarse inlet]

where is this study>

[mint creek]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-me-too-kid-incredibles-gif-19919940

[alpine thicket]

There's lots of neat small animals honestly.

[mental goblet]

I think ik what the devs sld add

[abstract compass]

God i wish

[steep tulip]

stomato based

[mental goblet]

Whale croc... Please be in the game

[feral cedar]

Stomatosuchus, Sarcosuchus, and Deinosuchus trio PLEASE 🙏

[quick ore]

Wouldn't more people want Puru over Stomato?

[amber field]

I think wonambi would be great for big vivarium

[steep tulip]

I want puru really badly

[quick ore]

Wonambi and Tiliqua frangens would be great as pleistocene australia viv species

[mental goblet]

Stomato gets less attention so PK please give my whale croc attention

[mental goblet]

Same for this guy

[feral cedar]

Unfortunately

Purussaurus as a gigantic caiman would be awesome, but I don’t think a giant caiman ought to be added over a weird whale stem-croc

[mental goblet]

PK please add the stomato and Wonambi it gets really less attention and I think it would be a great addition

[amber field]

whoa that big species of blue tonged skink

[mental goblet]

Wouldn't puru be difficult to maintain irl

[feral cedar]

Not more difficult than a herd of Argentinosaurus yet here we are

[mental goblet]

Vasuki and titanaboa would be also difficult to maintain

You need a very large tank

[flint sable]

I mean

not really

if living giant snakes are anything to go by, they basically just sit around and do literally nothing most of of the time

so you could definitely get away with fitting Vasuki and Titanoboa in the viv sizes already implemented

I would imagine care would be similar ish to a modern giant snake, just scaled bigger

[mental goblet]

This snake would be a great addition don't ya think?

Najash one of the most forgotten snakes

[amber field]

I was thinking about lol

[mental goblet]

Madtsoia my goat

[amber field]

I think Najash was from a more ancient lineage of snakes

[mental goblet]

Why doesn't Najash get the spotlight

Even whale croc has a special ability

[amber field]

Hopefully in the future, we will get more

[mental goblet]

Why do I feel like this man sld get added

[quick ore]

not just a blue tongue skink, a shingleback skink

[amber field]

Really ?! That's cool

[last thistle]

You shouldn’t

That’s unethical

I’m jk realistically bc it’s a game but I don’t want hominids

[mental goblet]

That would be racism right?

[last thistle]

No????

Wait

Maybe

Now that I’m thinking about it

[fresh ember]

At least highly xenophobic.

[quick ore]

it would lend itself to people doing racist things with the game

[fresh ember]

Pretty sure it's also illegal, too.

[quick ore]

and like

it isn't good to have sapient species in a zoo

that's just slavery

[mental goblet]

Yea your right abt that

Gigantopithecus fits the role

[plush nacelle]

Wouldnt it be speciesism?

I think racist things are already possible and no one is doing that

[quick ore]

speciesism isn't a thing, but racism is

bottom line is it is unnecessary, unethical, and just plain weird

[faint oak]

https://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(25)01449-6

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/646189848209915916/1441133851173982208/IMG_8194.png?ex=692158bd&is=6920073d&hm=ccfa3862add8eca9e03b3c448cef4e6e77a94a73a9496002dd80e03428e0e439&

Blue means highly/fully aquatic

Stuff that’s still semiaquatic but not super specialized into it gets recovered as red still

So halzka is prolly not a super specialized diver at least, but may still have more moderate aquatic affinities and scored higher than other maniraptors (wasn’t statistically significant though so best to hold off on any conclusions for it for now)

[mint creek]

Oh that's interesting about halzk

[faint oak]

Juravenator sweep 🔥

Also sucho’s result is pretty interesting also since the bone density stuff that recovered bary and Spino as really Swimmy recovered it as more terrestrial

Also more swimmy Spino evidence (gasp)

But jura is the real star of the show here imo

Especially since there was already some evidence of it being aquatically inclined cause of the ISOs that it was found to have a while ago

[mint creek]

Very sick

[faint oak]

Fr

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1360542295228944414/1441148073043562506/diving_with____juravenator___by_hodarinundu_de6dud7-fullview.png?ex=692165fb&is=6920147b&hm=700ddef79a3f8133fc543fc7cde5b809b451157763620685fd2bdb95b9017f16&

Look at him go

[mint creek]

Cute little swimmer

[steep tulip]

Tbh reading the paper they might have not accounted for some stuff, or the paper isn't all that clear in what "highly aquatic habits" mean for animals like spinosaurus and suchomimus, like similar bone ratios could happen without the animal having to be extremely aquatic
I think they also mention it at some point in the paper

[ancient ibex]

There is no evidence

[steep tulip]

Like what's the main assumption here, they swam using their forelimbs as well? We know the tail probably wasn't a main way of propulsion for how it was structured, and the paddle might have been used more for steering like some lizards today do
While it could definitely be a useful tool, this method isn't necessarily perfect to exactly predict how water bound an animal was exactly

[ancient ibex]

The bone density stuff wasn't really solid either I believe, in terms of methodology

[steep tulip]

Imo the finds were pretty good , even accounting for natural variation and stuff
Maybe it's not necessarily a 100% correlation for how aquatic they were and we are missing some important anatomical elements, but unless those elements are found, I think it's fair to believe that there is indeed a correlation

[shell sonnet]

Tiarajudens eccentricus - a saber-toothed herbivorous Anomodont (meaning it would be further derived than a Therapsid but not as much as a Dicynodont; this is the same of Sumnia, if a bit more basal) from Permian Brazil. It likely used the large canines for defense or for fighting for mates, meaning group size could set for either single male dominated harems or a small group of pairs. It also would be one of the earliest Therapsids to have heterodont dentition. It was found in a shallow lake environment, great for the wetland environment.

[steep tulip]

This is a cool critter

[frosty heron]

a The Animal

[true pivot]

Zavacephale is at the top of my wish list for vivarium species. Lovely little pachycephalosaur

Would add some nice variety with Simosuchus being the only herbivore on the vivarium roster right now

[shell sonnet]

We don't know how big Zava got though; the one specimen is an immature individual

[true pivot]

This would be a perfect charismatic little guy

[true pivot]

Ah man I didn't see that about the specimen's age. Tiktaalik at two meters does set a precedent for larger vivarium critters but Zava's probably pushing it

[feral cedar]

vivarium isn't just about size

it's about lifestyle, to an extent

Every pachycephalosaur worth considering is probably big enough to escape vivariums

some vivarium animals are often chosen due to their locomotion

[proper raven]

more like its also about how horrible their implementations would be for the typical animal AI system

[feral cedar]

For example Titanoboa is gigantic but it would be vivarium cause adding dynamic navigation for a snake would be suffering for the devs

[true pivot]

Oh for sure. I just liked the idea of having the smallest pachycephalosaur as an option. But if we think it's both too active and too large, obviously a no-go

[proper raven]

[steep tulip]

Wouldn't it be almost fully grown?
But ig it is kinda at the limit

[shell sonnet]

It's a good fossil, no question about that but I get young Stegoceras vibes

There's plenty of good herbivorous dinosaurs for the viviarium: a hetrodontosaur (Heterodontosaurus, Tianyulong), a basal Neoceratopsian (Graciliceratops, Aquilops), Scutellosaurus, and Lesothosaurus come to mind

[steep tulip]

Scutellosaurus mentioned

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-beverley-patrick-beverley-nba-timberwolves-gif-11752728165167489486

[true pivot]

Dead Sound fans rise up

Heterodontosaurus has some really wild reconstructions, wow

[shell sonnet]

We found evidence of "fuzz" on Tianyulong, so it's likely all Hetrodontosaurs had some

[true pivot]

I love it. Let's get those rascals in here

[tough marsh]

Him

I love how social Permian animals are

[steep tulip]

I honestly hope the other funky dino is an heterodontosaur of some kind

Since halszkaraptor is off the table

Seemingly

[shell sonnet]

I was looking for more Permian animals (especially those that aren't from the big three locations) and found this. It's always nice to find something that hasn't gotten much mention.

[shell sonnet]

how so

[steep tulip]

Well there is only a piscivore, I imagine it to be the mammal

[tough marsh]

Main 3 areas?

[shell sonnet]

USA, Russia, South Africa

[tough marsh]

Ahhh

There’s the Moradi stuff with weird Pairasaur and big moradisaurid

There’s Europe with early Archosaurs and smallest dimetrodon

China has stuff from Europe and Africa and one of the most Bizzare Pairasaurs

[tough marsh]

Yinshanosaurus

[shell sonnet]

I mean the mammal could be Indohyus, which is an omnivore. But the diet question for the lizard has thrown such a monkey wrench into the works that I've kind have given up on trying to rely too much for problem solving.

[steep tulip]

Fair enough
Just don't find it too likely rn

[shell sonnet]

There's good stuff for sure, I just need learn more about it

[steep tulip]

Tho if we do get halszka, I'm going to be pleasantly surprised still

[tough marsh]

I think biarmos would be good exibit animals

[shell sonnet]

Halszka's problem is that what exactly its lifestyle is up for debate; there's arguments for the piscivore semi-aquatic and the land-based insectivore. Of course, it's the first option that makes it appealing; people really want there to be more than two semi-aquatics for U16.

[plush nacelle]

I feel like PK amphibious vivarium is not really viable for semi-aquatic animals

To much water

[outer crater]

ye

[shell sonnet]

The smallest one doesn't lend much room, but the others aren't too bad depending on the animal size

I could imagine a some rock enrichment in the middle for the two big ones that animals could climb on

Huh...
I don't remember seeing an animal in the concept art before

[hollow furnace]

I think it's just the root from the vertical log

though maybe not

It is a different colour

[plush nacelle]

I think this is simosuchus

Easter egg

[hollow furnace]

Simoscubus

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, probably just for scale

In any case, if you look at the concept art for the second small one, the heat lamp is over a patch of land that is separate from the main one. This obviously isn't the final version but I think it lends credence to the idea of being able to create more land as enrichment

[potent sierra]

Real?

[shell sonnet]

It's concept art, so maybe, maybe not

[low bridge]

Wonambi and Tequila??????

[quick ore]

Tiliqua

the genus for blue tongue skinks

[feral cedar]

tequila 😭

[quick ore]

which includes shinglebacks like the extinct giant shingleback skink, Tiliqua frangens

[true pivot]

I want to say a dev diary mentioned heating stones as enrichment, so this could be the amphibious version

[potent sierra]

Diplocaulus

[median relic]

🥀

[steep tulip]

We all know its coming in u16

[hollow willow]

Stegouros. I’m sure it’s been suggested already but a small Ankylosaur would be great for the vivarium system

[faint oak]

There literally is though lmao

[faint oak]

It’s just wether they are aquatic or not via proportions, not their paddling method

Mosasaurs for example are recovered as very aquatic and they don’t swim with their limbs

And if you are running a composite spinosaurid forelimb into a dataset and it comes out as aquatic that is arguably very strong evidence for aquatic spinosaurus

Because then spinosaurus is just the final stage of an already aquatic group

This isn’t like throwing a sculpted chimera skull into FEA analysis

A composite/generalized spinosaurid forelimb will still provide data that is useful

[steep tulip]

That's not my main problem with the paper
My main problem is, are we really sure the limbs proportions aren't caused by some other adaptation? They say in the paper that they have trouble telling if an animal is semi aquatic with this kind of analysis, so by "mostly aquatic" I assume they meant that they spent most of the time in the water, using their arms as paddles to steer and reposition themselves around.
I don't want to totally rule it out, but this is a big assumption considering spinosaurs (especially one like suchomimus) presents quite a different body morphology compared to (believed) more aquatic spinosaurs (like spinosaurus itself), and are generally believed to be less water bounded
Considering we also have fossil evidence of them hunting or feeding outside the water, I feel like this method might result in them being more aquatic than what they might actually have been

[faint oak]

There are other papers which have recovered aquatic tendencies in stuff like Baryonyx

And the method works great in like, every other animal tested

There’s no reason that it would suddenly break when applied to spinosaurs

And they could totally still grab terrestrial stuff while living a mainly aquatic existence

[steep tulip]

There's apparently a paper about spinosaurus foot morphology realising soonish, maybe it could tell us how adapted to walking it really way tho the main assumption of that paper seems pretty big to me too

[faint oak]

It’s not like they can’t walk

And the other dinosaur they recover as aquatic already had some indications that it was via the ISO paper

Which would be useless on land

And the method is really picky clearly since modern platypuses are not counted as fully/very aquatic, as are crocodiles

So clearly there needs to be a very strong signal to trip off this method

[steep tulip]

Again I'm not arguing against them not being aquatic, but the way I understood it, the upper limb morphology of both suchomimus and spinosaurus would result in them swimming for most of their time
Maybe it was true for one or both of them, but it is a big assumption, especially for suchomimus

[hollow furnace]

It's specifically underreporting in archosaurs as well

their model had a higher propensity for false negatives in archosaurs

[faint oak]

I’d say it’s more of an assumption to say that spinosaurids buck the trends found in all these other animals

Because they have no reason to

And thinking stuff like suchomimus spent most of their time on land is also an assumption

We don’t have like, physical evidence of sucho being a landlubber

[median relic]

since we don't have bary's tail I like to imagine some baryonychines just had a very subtle paddle tail

[faint oak]

Same

It’s very fun to visualize

[median relic]

not as big and obvious as spinosaurine's, just something that lets them swim around a bit better than most theropods

https://tenor.com/view/capybara-swimming-gif-24191590

btw hear me out

apterodon viv

[faint oak]

And ftr sucho looks like this

This is a critter I can see swimming lol

[median relic]

forgot its legs were that short