Community Species Suggestions

[flint sable]

I mean there are living birds today that have clawed wings

[quick ore]

if any flightless bird from the mesozoic that isn't Hesperornis should be added to the game it should be Patagopteryx, which may not be larger enough to be in an exhibit

[shell sonnet]

Pata is chicken sized

[flint sable]

either hidden under feathers or only present in juvenile stages, but they do exist

[shell sonnet]

I had it on the poll

[flint sable]

also if you excluded teeth and claws that would literally just be aves, even the closest most relatives of aves had teeth

[quick ore]

ostriches literally have claws on their wings even as adults

[flint sable]

like icthyornis and hesperornis are the two closest clades/taxa to aves

[tulip umbra]

Giganhinga

[flint sable]

I say pygostylia because it basically means that they have a short birdlike tail which is a pretty big defining characteristic of birds

enanthiornithes basically had a lot of the niches birds have today during the mesozoic, especially smaller ones

they were essentially the mesozoic passerines as far as we know

[quick ore]

and raptors I think

[flint sable]

with some cool outliers too like avisaurus and freinds

[old tiger]

Gigantoraptor

[coarse inlet]

Balaur-Elopteryx-Gargantuavis

[flint sable]

Balaur is

um

contentious

to say the least

[coarse inlet]

fair

but it

[flint sable]

so is Elopteryx

[coarse inlet]

well yeah I just said that cause they might be the same thing

[flint sable]

ah true

[feral cedar]

Balaur is still the safest bet though

Huh, today I learnt there's a third named Hatzeg dwarf titanosaur

Wait THERE'S FOUR?

Magyarosaurus, Paludititan, Uriash, and Petrustitan

[coarse inlet]

Uriash isnt really dwarf

just not huge

[feral cedar]

Okay so Magyarosaurus apparently got SMALLER after Uriash and Petrustitan got named

[buoyant prairie]

Catching up on Nano chat now that SVP is over, so apologies for the late bump here, but this is really not accurate and (I know unintentionally) implies some malfeasance on my part, so I wanted to reply quickly

[feral cedar]

oh

hey

I wasn't trying to imply malfeasance, it's more like "Huh, I named a family! Neat"

[feral cedar]

Just barely under 3 meters in length according to known specimens which... does not sound right

[quick ore]

Maybe the safest bet for a theropod from Hateg but not a good bet overall. It isn't good as far as dromies or basal birds go

[feral cedar]

<3m long Magyarosaurus might as well season itself ripe for the pickings of a Hatzegopteryx lol

[buoyant prairie]

The dryptosaur-Nano connection is a result found only in 1 of 8 separate analyses, which was a version that incorporates the age of species into deciding which tree is “best”. All other analyses find Drypto as more basal than Nano, but Drypto and Nano are the latest-occurring “basal” eutyrannosaurs. I think the connection in this analysis is basically saying “these two intermediate grade tyrannosaurs are both from the latest Cretaceous, so they might be close relatives”

[feral cedar]

Do you reckon more studies could look into Dryptosaurus, Appalachiosaurus, and Nanotyrannus to see if there's a correlation? Or are the former two way too scrappy?

[buoyant prairie]

The result was important enough that we had to discuss it in detail but we’re not confident in it yet. Naming the clade Nanotyrannidae let us cover all bases

[buoyant prairie]

Without more material it’ll be really hard to learn more, but we’re going to try!

[quick ore]

@buoyant prairie do you think there is any potential for Nanotyrannus and relatives to be convergent with Megaraptorans in how they have smaller skulls than other tyrannosaurs and focus more on their forelimbs?

[tulip umbra]

Havent been following since the news broke, but why is everyone talking as if nano was a dryptosaur? Didnt Napoli say this was one of the possibilities but by no means certain?

[buoyant prairie]

More likely they both share a “primitive “ coelurosaur build, especially because I don’t think megaraptorans are tyrannosaurs

[feral cedar]

I'm not a paleontologist but my own crackpot completely unfounded theory based on nothing is a Dryptosauridae with Appalachiosaurus as a basal, early diverging member and then a more derived group (Nanotyranninae) with Drypto and both Nano species

I have no basis for this but if it's ever proven right I'll take full credit

[buoyant prairie]

(I am a bigger believer in the recent analysis placing megaraptorans and tyrannosaurus as sister groups)

[quick ore]

well I mean comparing Nano to the likes of other tyrannosaurs and that it is more like a potential tyrannosauroid like Megaraptorans are but I see what you mean. I think a study comparing megaraptorans to Nano or including them in a phylogenetic study of tyrannosauroids along with Nano would be cool though

[buoyant prairie]

That’s the tree we show so i would get some credit too, I hope

[feral cedar]

lol

fair

didn't notice a derived group in the tree, though then again I don't know how to read them

[quick ore]

oh one last question; do we know of any formations where a Nanotyrannus could have potentially encountered an Alamosaurus or even regularly lived alongside it?

[feral cedar]

It's still insane to think Nanotyrannus is back and it's here to stay

[buoyant prairie]

Absolutely! But I’ll just say - megaraptorans look very different. If they are tyrannosaurs, they’re very very primitive ones

[feral cedar]

First we need to find a more complete megaraptoran

[quick ore]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-like-that-will-happen-gif-14783019212194612503

[feral cedar]

I think we barely have enough material to reconstruct one across all the genera we've found

[buoyant prairie]

I could believe Nano being in southern Laramidia, but without more fossils we can’t know

[quick ore]

gotcha

ty for answering these questions!

[buoyant prairie]

No problem! Feel free to tag me if you ever have questions about my work - can’t always respond quickly but I do try to respond

[feral cedar]

Good job on the Nano paper

Now it'll be endlessly requested here

[tulip umbra]

I just realised that’s the real james napoli…

[feral cedar]

Yeah, James G? Napoli

[tulip umbra]

Tbf its the first time ive seen him in here, not even knowing he was active in here

[feral cedar]

It's inspiring how he turned a new leaf and pursued science after leading a life of crime ❤️ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Napoli

Who would've thought Jimmy Nap would've brought back Nanotyrannus

[tulip umbra]

Truly inspiring indeed

Someone should make a movie on his life

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, Cau incorporating the new states of Nano into his matrix still produced a dryptosaur affinity in the preliminary results; the results from Zanno and Napoli were also reproducible

All in all more Appalachian stuff could be helpful

[feral cedar]

Too bad those mountains love to eat fossils

Oh what have we here?

[ancient ibex]

Appalachio and Drypto are quite fragmentary, and separate in time; Nano being an appalachian tyrannosaur explains its ghost lineage, but we don't really have a big idea of what was going over there for most of the time it was its own thing

Alectro, like Drypto, is mostly limbs

[feral cedar]

I see

[quick ore]

maybe dryptosaurs were a lot more common as a group but tended to live in more mountainous or forested places so they are less likely to fossilize

[short rover]

Or they simply haven’t gotten fossilized by luck

[quick ore]

yeah lol

just a thought

[ancient ibex]

They are functionally the sister group of Tyrannosaurids, likely stuck in Appalachia for 30 million years

[quick ore]

I have a similar headcanon for Ceratosaurus being a lone floodplain living species of a mostly alpine theropod group explaining why it is so alone

[ancient ibex]

They were likely diverse over there, just like Hadrosaurus-adjacent animals likely were, but, poor preservation

Ceratosaurians as a whole are kinda weird

[low bridge]

No no no Europe own giant bird must be in it place that would be unfair if we will have giants birds from other places, except Europe

Tbh

[quick ore]

Gastornis is 100x better than the nothingburger that is Pachystruthio

like we know next to nothing about it besides it being a big ostrich

[low bridge]

We don't know where Gastornis belongs

[quick ore]

if you want a big flightless European bird Gastornis is your option

yes we do?

it was a gastornithiforme

[low bridge]

Mesembriornis, Andalgalornis better than Gastornis

[quick ore]

those are phorusrhacids

[low bridge]

Yes

[quick ore]

they are nothing like Gastornis

nor are they from europe

[low bridge]

Smaller things work better sometimes just like our old Juxia

[quick ore]

so if you are asking for a giant flightless european bird then you really only have Gastornis, which afaik is related to Dromornithids

why are you suggesting smaller species when you were arguing for Pachystruthio before

[low bridge]

And People don't like Dromornis lol

[low bridge]

Nevermind my english always sucks 😪😪😴

[quick ore]

People absolutely like Dromornis what are you talking about

it's potentially the largest bird ever and the most wanted bird from australia, or at least tied with Genyornis

[low bridge]

Elephant Bird is 1st

The biggest

[quick ore]

they are either tied or Dromornis is the 2nd largest

again, people like Dromornis, I've never heard anyone say otherwise

[low bridge]

What about smaller terror birds ( Mesembriornis, Andalgalornis) ?? Would they Fit also

Since everyone knows terror birds by the largest of the group ( Phorushacos, Kelenken, Titanis)

[quick ore]

I think Psilopterus would be the best small terror bird since it was the latest species

[past mist]

plus it’s probably the closest of the small Terror Birds to not being obscure

especially since it seems like the unnamed Terror Bird from the Prehistoric Planet Ice Age website is probably Psilopterus

[low bridge]

Andalgalornis also neaty terror bird,eh 5 times bigger than Psilopterus but it would Fit in game

Change my mind about Andalgalornis

👍

[quick ore]

what is unique about it

why do you like it specifically

[plush nacelle]

Has very good fossil and iconic skull used for most recons

[low bridge]

• it is 40 kg

[mint creek]

it's cool

[low bridge]

"Sometimes smaller things work better"

Juxia is example

👍👍👍

[plush nacelle]

Right, it has proportionally the biggest beak

[last thistle]

appalachio is not as fragmentary as you would think, its still fragmentary but like it has more than i thought, this is from the paper

[quick ore]

work better in what way

better isnt very descriptive

[plush nacelle]

Mesembriornis also would be neat

Potentially one of the fastest prehistoric animals out there

[low bridge]

In niche way

[low bridge]

Look at their size

That's the case

[quick ore]

I have no idea what you are trying to say

What makes them being smaller "work better" in PK?

[abstract compass]

Henodus

[ancient ibex]

Mostly appendicular, and the lack of forelimbs is an issue, but the skull is reasonably well known

It is a damn nice pair of legs fwiw

Alectro is a leg and a foot sole

[low bridge]

Did u hearded abt Juxia before it was added to game?

[hollow furnace]

You know Juxia is an alt, right?

It was added as part of Paraceratherium

[low bridge]

But no one knew abt it before Paraceratherium was added to game

[shell sonnet]

...

[quick ore]

the point is it would have never been added by itself

it is only in the game because of the way alts work

[low bridge]

Ok

Now i can vanish

[last thistle]

I am baffled it came out of Alabama

[ancient ibex]

Sweet home Appalachia

[last thistle]

It’s one of my favorites

[tulip umbra]

Hungarosaurus, weirdly a nodosaur with longer forelimbs than hindlimbs

[median relic]

when/if we get aquatics what sharks do you guys want (kind of loose with the definition of shark)

otodus megalodon but I think otodus can have other alt species

cretoxyrhina, squalicorax, hybodus, helicoprion, ptychodus, and xenacanthus I'd all love to see but idkkkk

[steep tulip]

these are good picks

[median relic]

prob too many

[steep tulip]

not sure what else could be added

stetachanthus maybe

[median relic]

oh right

[steep tulip]

mmmh

[median relic]

stetha could be a viv tbh

it's tiny iirc

[steep tulip]

I think yeah

I generally prefer weirder ones

[median relic]

oh also aquilolamna

would be neat

[ancient ibex]

Stethacanthus and Helicoprion have sizes you don't expect ngl

Aquilolamna is cool

[steep tulip]

so like creto and squalicorax are low priority for me

[median relic]

helicoprion is way bigger and stetha is way smaller lol

[median relic]

I just think they're cool idk

[steep tulip]

also onchopristis

[steep tulip]

I also think they are cool, I just want the others more

[median relic]

fair

[median relic]

right

how could I forget

pochitaserra

[autumn plover]

Looking at that recon looks familiar, does any recon of Dryptosaurus just use the Appalachiasaurus skull?

[steep tulip]

btw
how much is known of this guy

looks cool tho

[tulip umbra]

Its known from just its teeth?

[tulip umbra]

Quite a lot, from this pic. Wiki says there are four specimens

[steep tulip]

awesome

[median relic]

oh I was joking

[tulip umbra]

I raise you Bandringa

[median relic]

perhaps

[tulip umbra]

This is a juvie

[ancient ibex]

Why did you focus explicity on its arms when it is the usual way Struthiosaurs are restored as? Dude is just random struthiosaur (which is cool don't get me wrong)

[feral cedar]

If anything Struthiosaurus itself is the black sheep of its family

It feels a lot less "leggy" than say, Hungarosaurus or Europelta

[ancient ibex]

That's just another way to restore it tho

[feral cedar]

...huh

[burnt gate]

i feel like one large and one small one would be good

[feral cedar]

Phorusrhacids are kinda samey but also not really

Kelenken w/ Titanis as an alt to get terror birds from the north and south would be nice

And toss in Psilopterus as a small one

[burnt gate]

i feel like theres better stuff then adding three terror bird species no offense

theres very little room on the roster and we need as much diversity as possible

[feral cedar]

Thankfully alts are built to address this very problem

Kelenken with three skins and Kelenken with two skins and a Titanis alt take up the same amount of space

[median relic]

if we got a small phorusrhacid I don't think I'd want psilopterus

mesembriornis is cooler

[feral cedar]

Any particular reason?

Not disagreeing, I'm just curious

[tulip umbra]

Simply because it looked the most unique out of the three from this pics and it has some decent material as well

[ancient ibex]

Fair

[shell sonnet]

So does Struthi, which also benefits from being a Hateg Island resident

[autumn plover]

Even if Hungarosaurus is best out of it's family there are so many better Nodosaurids to add: Edmontonia, Sauropelta, Gastonia, Borealopelta etc

Polacanthus as well

[tulip umbra]

Ofc not disagreeing with you, just wanted to mention a little known unique nodosaur

Id even want a parankylosaur over it

[autumn plover]

fair, but it's not like nodosaurs are starved of good additions

[tulip umbra]

Stegouros my beloved

[feral cedar]

if we assume it's a parankylosaur, Kunbarrasaurus would be awesome in an Aussie DLC

Could give it a Stegouros-like tail

[autumn plover]

I'd like to see 2 proper Ankylosaurs and 2 Nodosaurs, if I had to choose it would be Ankylosaurus, Pinacosaurus, Edmontonia, Polacanthus, that combo gives Early/Late Cretaceous, a range of sizes, and NA (x2), European, and Asian representation. plus Kunbarra as a parank from Aus

[median relic]

seemingly a fast little guy, I think it could persistence chase kinda like a wild dog? And its head is superficially similar to velociraptor in my eyes idk I just think they're neat

[feral cedar]

I hear ya, but hear me out here

Tarchia 👐

(with Pinacosaurus alt)

[autumn plover]

🤷

Whichever one more resembles a pancake

[tulip umbra]

Stegouros > kunburra

[feral cedar]

I mean if Prehistoric Planet is any indication Tarchia is as flat and spiky as they come

[shell sonnet]

The problem with Terror Birds options is (beyond the lack of material) is:
a) the largest ones from SA (Phorusrhacos, Kelenken, Devincenzia) are from the Miocene and therefore not Lujanian (Devincenzia might have lasted into the Pliocene and even the Pleistocene but that's not certain)
b) the ones that cloest to being part of the Lujanian alongside Macrauchenia, Toxodon, Doedicurus, and Smilodon populator are quite a bit smaller (Psilopterus, Llallawavis; the latter is barely more than a meter tall)
c) Titanis is from Florida and therefore is trash

[feral cedar]

Plus I'm much more partial to Nemegt-centric additions where possible since we already have 3 Nemegt dinosaurs in-game, one that I'm 90% sure will come soon (Mononykus), AND Therizinosaurus and Prenocephale have been tossed around as post-release additions

[tulip umbra]

Also gastonia > polacanthus imo

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[shell sonnet]

You can make them alts

[median relic]

ehhh I like them a similar amount

[autumn plover]

Polacanthus fills out europe, specifically the Uk, which has less dinosaurs than NA

[shell sonnet]

They're essentially the same thing, just live in different places

[feral cedar]

If we only had to pick one I'd argue in favor of Polacanthus cause we already have Iguanodon and Baryonyx

[tulip umbra]

If memory serves me right i think gastonia has like very good fossil rep and polacanthus like just good fossil rep

Thats like my only reason

[shell sonnet]

Gastonia has more specimen

But again, just make them alts

[median relic]

at the same time gastonia has utahraptor and acro iirc

[shell sonnet]

Gastonia didn't live with Acro

[feral cedar]

Polacanthus is kinda scrappy but it's evened out by it basically being Gastonia but British so what it looks like isn't a mystery

[shell sonnet]

That's Sauropelta

[median relic]

I may be getting them slightly mixed up

[median relic]

riiiight

yes

[median relic]

if we can have only 2 therizinosaurs besides theri itself what are they

falcarius and nothro

[feral cedar]

Beipiaosaurus and Falcarius

No hesitation

[median relic]

beipi?? idkkk-

[shell sonnet]

Nothronychus mckinleyi/Neimongosaurus yangi (alts)
Falcarius utahensis

easy answer

[tulip umbra]

All in all i wouldnt put too much emphasis on formations etc, the average gamer couldnt care less abt that stuff

[flint sable]

Falcarius for sure

[median relic]

beipi is cool with preserved feathers and whatnot but it's only known from a juvenile and nothro is a cool middleground therizinosaur

[feral cedar]

I mean if a person is playing PK they probably do care about it

[feral cedar]

We have undescribed specimens touted as being 'adult' Beipis which put them at roughly 6 m/20 ft in lengt

[median relic]

I mean I knew they probably did get that big but I didn't know we had any adults preserved

[tulip umbra]

Not really imo, not like all ppl playing pz even know what a genus and species epithet are

[shell sonnet]

Except animals are divided at a species in PK

that's one step above pretty much every other dino game

[flint sable]

indeed

[feral cedar]

We also have Alioramus skulls (undescribed) that some estimate put it at a similar size to Qianzhousaurus lol

[median relic]

it's tough...

[tulip umbra]

So? This game is not catering to only paleonerds like us

[median relic]

interesting-

[feral cedar]

Very interesting indeed

[median relic]

also I noticed, might they start to stand upright more as they mature?
I'm hesitant because beipiaosaurus is more basal for a therizinosaur I believe

[feral cedar]

It's amazing how being 6 meters long suddenly makes Beipiaosaurus' co-existence with Yutyrannus a lot more reasonable

[feral cedar]

That baby Beipi is from The Isle btw

[median relic]

no

I think it's from jagged fang

[feral cedar]

oh

[median relic]

yep

so this model

[feral cedar]

Honestly I'm partial to Beipiaosaurus because of its historical importance and the fact that Yixian is just too good to pass up

Give Psittacosaurus sp. a friend

[median relic]

True...

do you think the quilly brown feathers translated to the adult

idk but the solid brown is definitely giving "juvenile coat"

[shell sonnet]

The thing is, those non-paleonerds don't care what they get.
Plus, PK's gameplay does reward animals from shared formations. If you've got a choice between two similar animals and they can't be alts, best to go with the one from the better location.

[shell sonnet]

The thing about Yixian is that a lot of its better options are viviarium material. Yutyrannus is an excellent addition, but it's kind of an exception to that.

[flint sable]

indeed

Yixian is just so goaded bro

is there even anything else comparable to it in preservation quality

like apparently theres evidence we might even have literal DNA in the fossils still its that good

[shell sonnet]

Mesozoic, I don't think so

[flint sable]

not like a complete genome or anything but trace ammounts of the molecules

[flint sable]

anything from the cenozoic?

[shell sonnet]

There's definitely some Cenozoic places that are better

La Brea, Siberia

[tulip umbra]

I see your point but I still think name recognition and uniqueness are the most important factor. They couldve picked Alamosaurus for giant titanosaur with osteoderms but they picked Argent who sits alone in the huincul most likely because it is more popular

[flint sable]

thats kinda cheating though since they are so recent

and have literal soft tissue remains

moresoe talking about like geological formations rather than just places where you can find them

also unique thing about yixian, it has a lot of land stuff

which a lot of the earliest laggerstatte are aquatic stuff, like burgess shale

[feral cedar]

That, and it’s the largest animal to ever walk on land

[flint sable]

thats highly contestable

[feral cedar]

I assure you no one would give it much thought if it was smaller lol

[flint sable]

basically all of the top 15 or whatever are all super close to eachother and doesnt help they are all really fragmentary

and a few of them just dont even exist anymore

[feral cedar]

you are highly contestable

[flint sable]

touche

[tulip umbra]

Indeed, so uniqueness and popularity > locality, age, etc when it comes to picking new additions

[ancient ibex]

https://x.com/TomHoltzPaleo/status/1782466746324009066 fwiw

Thomas R. Holtz, Jr. 🦖💕 (he/him) (@TomHoltzPaleo)

@TM9380 @NatGeo_rge Correct; we don't officially have adult Alioramus yet. There are privately-owned skulls (now repatriated to Mongolia) that show what the adult condition looked like.

X · Apr 22, 2024, 5:49 PM

https://x.com/MesozoicDream/status/1783425229592928745

Mesozoic Travelogue (@MesozoicDream)

@TomHoltzPaleo @TM9380 @NatGeo_rge These seem to be lateral photo of same specimen (now in museum). Do you think they are more robust than published skulls of Alioramus?

X · Apr 25, 2024, 9:18 AM

[tulip umbra]

That looks sick

Pls describe

Someone

[feral cedar]

I mean description is irrelevant when we have pictures already

It’s done, the pictures are right there. PK is now contractually obligated to make Alioramus beeg

[median relic]

so they probably were more like qianzhousaurus then

[tulip umbra]

True true, just sometimes idk it leads to new understandings i wouldnt be able to tell as a non paleontologist

[feral cedar]

They probably ARE Qianzhousaurus

[median relic]

wdym

[tulip umbra]

Alioramus is older no? So shouldnt be the other way around then?

[hollow furnace]

yes

If they were to be synonymized

[ancient ibex]

Qianzhou has a tendency to be found within Alioramus, which is a bit weird seeing we have 2 Alioramus specimens

I'm of the opinion Brusatte was a bit overeager erecting new alioram taxa, specially a whole new genus, but at the end of the day Qianzhou ended up confirming Alioramus was not a juvenile Tarbosaurus

[median relic]

nanotarbus

[feral cedar]

My crackpot theory that has no foundation other than "It makes sense" is that Qianzhousaurus is Alioramus sinensis

[ancient ibex]

That's not a crackpot theory that's just generic subjective lumping and very fair

[feral cedar]

Alternatively all three alioramins are the same species because ranging from Mongolia to China is not crazy

(and Tarbosaurus does it)

[feral cedar]

huh, cool

I just looked at Wikipedia and apparently in 2017 Carr argued for Alioramus sinensis

[slim flare]

You know what else Carr argued for?

[feral cedar]

A... lot of things?

[median relic]

tyrannosaurus lancensis

in the big '25

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-clock-gif-25941535

something something broken clock

[ancient ibex]

I just find funny how people are acting as if the fucks who insisted juvenile dryptosaurs were grown pigmy tyrannosaurids had been validated

[feral cedar]

I know, right?

Although I think none of them are juveniles?

[ancient ibex]

Jane remains quite young

[feral cedar]

Ah, but Mary doesn't

[feral cedar]

Tyrannosaurus lethaeus

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, Bloody Mary is without a doubt a grown animal older in age than some grown Tyrannosaurids, and without a doubt the same species as the lancensis skull

Exactly the stuff that would falsify the Tyrannosaurus juvenile hypothesis

Zanno was also one of the authors on one of the more recent papers that argued for Nano being based on Tyrannosaurus juveniles, so, solid work, gg

[feral cedar]

Wait hold on

Dueling Dinosaurs is lancensis or lethaeus?

[hollow furnace]

lancensis

[shell sonnet]

I think name power helps a lot. I also think after the first few handfuls of dinos (which does include Argentino), it becomes a rather nebulous form of measurement that the lower down the list you go, the less it matters. Most people bring it up as if their examples are thumpingly obvious but don't bother to question their priors like assuming that appearing in any dino documentary after WWD (which everyone has seen, a paleonerd minset if there ever was one) makes it modestly mainstream (as opposed to giving it 15 minutes of fame).

Huincul does have some fauna besides Argentino though. Mapu, Meraxes, Skorpiovenator aren't must have animals, but they do get requested every once in a while.

[feral cedar]

wait I'm dumb

[hollow furnace]

Jane is the only confident lethaeus specimen

[feral cedar]

Bloody Mary is the DD one

[hollow furnace]

yes

[feral cedar]

Do we have a name for the DD trike or is he just there

[ancient ibex]

It is a cool undescribed Trike

[hollow furnace]

he's there

[burnt gate]

They should add a t-mic skin for Trex

[feral cedar]

and I love him for it

[hollow furnace]

our little short king

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, this was pretty much the operating thing

[hollow furnace]

That's a bad null hypothesis but yeah

[shell sonnet]

why are we assuming it's a he

[hollow furnace]

~~because his tail vertabrae aren't broken ~~because short queen doesn't sound as good

[shell sonnet]

that's just sexism

[feral cedar]

I mean I don't think the ontogeny of T. rex has changed too much? Tarbosaurus shows that eutyrannosaurs still go from leggy bastards to bulky bastards

[ancient ibex]

I honestly have seen plenty more cases of stuff being described and ending up being a juvenile of other taxon mostly involving eels but still

[ancient ibex]

It really hasn't changed much; there is stuff on Tyrannosaurid growth in the pipeline anyway

[hollow furnace]

effectively, there's definitely been some changes but the overall development (though not timing) remains mostly the same

[ancient ibex]

If anything growth speed assumptions may change a bit

[feral cedar]

Even in the more distant relatives like albertosaurines we clearly see the status quo at play

A thin, leggy boy turns... less leggy in the case of albertosaurines

(I still love the sports car-monster truck analogy people do for Albertosaurus and Tyrannosaurus)

[ancient ibex]

But in any case Tyrannosaurus itself is a bit of an outlier anyway, because 6 tons is still 2-3 albertosaurs put together, and the oldest known Tyrannosaurus specimen and the oldest known Albertosaurus specimen are roughly the same age

[feral cedar]

Everything's bigger in Hell Creek

[ancient ibex]

But, yeah, interesting stuff in the pipeline for the growth of those, check the SVP conference list for the public stuff

[feral cedar]

unless you're a leptoceratopsid

[feral cedar]

Curious to see what they'll say

[hollow furnace]

for now

[feral cedar]

Anzu is the largest proper caenagnathid I think, yeah?

[hollow furnace]

Gigantoraptor

[feral cedar]

Gigantoraptor is a caenagnathid too but I think I heard somewhere that it's a bit shaky?

[ancient ibex]

Giganto has been at times found outside of Caenagnathidae I believe?

[feral cedar]

Anzu however is firmly in there, so of all the caenagnathines it's the biggest iirc

trike, anky, pachy, thescelo are all way chunkier than the rest of their clades too

[shell sonnet]

You forget Eddie

Which is bigger than most Hadrosaurs

[tulip umbra]

God i wish we had shantung instead of ugru. Ik ik this was before the whole alt species stuff

[ancient ibex]

Ugru had been planned for a long time tho

[tulip umbra]

Ik, i just dont like him cuz he is very shaky

Nice design though

[slim flare]

Nanogorgus…

[feral cedar]

Nanogorgon…

[flint sable]

Nanogordon...

[feral cedar]

Personally I think that Shantungosaurus would’ve been a better alt genus, and Ugru’s niche of being a “small” hadrosaur could’ve been given to Tethyshadros or something

[slim flare]

Maiasaura

[ancient ibex]

Maiasaura would be great but it IS still huge

[shell sonnet]

Bactro

[ancient ibex]

Telmatosaur-adjacent stuff is neat DLC things, as could be the supposed European ceratopsians that were widespread (I'm told that thing is mindblowing and in press)

Bactro is a neat vanilla dude to go with Gigantoraptor

[median relic]

interesting

[feral cedar]

Does "Telmatosaur-adjacent" stuff include the likes of Bactrosaurus and Tethyshadros?

[ancient ibex]

Tethyshadros yes

[feral cedar]

Ah, that tracks

[plush nacelle]

This chunky fella is actually andalgalornis

Insane how they got it this right in 1948

[reef relic]

Nemegt Formation DLC

**Therizinosaurus - **

• Herbivore/Insectivore diet, group size 1-5. Female-dominant hierarchy, high security rating.
  Saurolophus -
• Herbivore/Frugivore diet, group size 4-12. Mixed-gender groups with a dominant male, medium security rating.
  **Alioramus remotus w/ A. altai species variants - **
• Carnivore/Piscivore diet, group size 2-6. Mixed-gender groups, either dominant gender. Medium security rating.
  **Nemegtosaurus - **
• Herbivore diet, group size 3-15. Mixed gender groups with either dominant gender, medium security rating.
  **Saichania - **
• Herbivore/Frugivore/Insectivore diet, group size 1-6. Mixed gender groups with either dominant gender, medium security rating.

I would suggest Paralligator as the vivarium species. All species would have a preference for Scrubland, Desert and Grassland environments.

The pack would include a number of new desert foliage types, but I think it would also be neat to see more visual effects like sand puffs or blowing wind. There's already an arid theme with the architectural pieces so I don't know what kind of theme you could go for in this pack.

[frosty heron]

gorged and sitting strangely they're so me on a weekend night

[plush nacelle]

You got nemegt environment wrong

It should be temperate and wetland for everything

[toxic oriole]

Hmmm...
A DLC with some more animals from this formation...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleobiota_of_the_Djadochta_Formation
But what ones?

[feral cedar]

Udanoceratops and Halszkaraptor are the only ones I can think of

[toxic oriole]

Citipati could've been an alt for Oviraptor, but its too late for that

[feral cedar]

Citipati might be too similar to Oviraptor to be its own thing and Saurornithoides is probably going to be an alt so

[river perch]

both of those some of my most wanted. Djadochta making bangers fr

[toxic oriole]

Theres Pinacosaurus, and an uncertain sauropod

probs nemegtosaurus, or something else

[river perch]

Maybe Halszkaraptor is still an update 16 possibility

assuming im not misremembering any of the clues we got

[toxic oriole]

Alot of mammals in that formation anyways

[frosty heron]

Any thoughts about saurolophus osborni? Be a shame to have one species but not the other, but it would also be strange to have the NA species with the nemegt animals in a dlc

[toxic oriole]

Wheres Tarchia???

Oh

Different mongolia formation

or something

Bonus mongolia dlc moment:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruungoyot_Formation

... Fuck it, just have it be an entire bundle

If they are seperated, there should be a bundle for them

Prehistoric Mongolia

Could be an interesting DLC organizer

Hell if I know

[slim flare]

Pinacosaurus 🤨

[toxic oriole]

Now that I think about it, hasnt Pinacosaurus gotten around Asia at its time?

Cuz on some pages I see Pinaco appearing in China formations, some of them at least

How far did Pinacosaurus really go?

[slim flare]

?

[toxic oriole]

Oh, so Pinacosaurus has only been found in Mongolia and China

[cinder python]

Bramatherium more Miocene

[low bridge]

Platybelodon "Miocene King" is fucking needed

[quick ore]

ok, why?

[mint creek]

It's a cool animal

Very weird looking

[lean hound]

because

it's cool

❤️‍🩹

[feral cedar]

Platybelodon is a cool animal but hardly a king

[silver steeple]

Yeah idk if I would describe it as king

One of the best afrothere reps we could get though

[quick ore]

idk if we are talking about afrotheres in general I think Arsinoitherium is #1 since we already have a proboscidean rep

[feral cedar]

I would also think that there are other proboscideans that are higher priority than amebelodonts

I'd like to see mastodon to flesh out the Pleistocene even more, Deinotherium is irreplaceable...

[mint creek]

Deinotherium my goat

[silver steeple]

Hence "One of"

[quick ore]

fair yeah

[low bridge]

Stegotetrabelodon " Pliocen Mumakil" neat pick just like Anancus

[quick ore]

can you say what is good about them as a choice without giving them a made up title

[mint creek]

4 tusks are cool

[feral cedar]

I do think Stegotetrabelodon is by itself a really cool animal but I don't really see it for PK

If that makes sense

[quick ore]

I think it has a decent shot

it won't get in over Deinotherium though

[feral cedar]

I feel like between Deinotherium and Palaeoloxodon it's almost... gimmick-y

[plush nacelle]

Stegodon after PP

Dwarf tropical phant

[quick ore]

yeah there are other mammal groups that deserve the bare minimum diversity before we give proboscideans the rhino treatment

[plush nacelle]

3 skins - one bald, second half hairy and third fully covered

Red fur cause asian elephants

[feral cedar]

Palaeoloxodon was in the post-EA ideas list with big and small species

I would love to see antiquus and falconeri specifically, since the latter evolved from the former it makes it a very easy alt to create

[plush nacelle]

Actually not

This is rare case of close relative not being viable at all

Proportion wise dwarf species are closer to mastodons and such than big palaeos

[feral cedar]

Should that be the case I'd gladly take Stegodon as a dwarf

[plush nacelle]

PP is going to make stegodon big

I can feel it

[feral cedar]

PHP makes almost everything featured in it big, for better or for worse

[shell sonnet]

For 15 minutes

[feral cedar]

For every much-deserved spotlight on something like Deinocheirus, people also fixate on something like Barbaridactylus

Even though the animal they're looking at on-screen is just a copyright-free Nyctosaurus

[quick ore]

wym

[plush nacelle]

Asian elephant hair is usually red to brown

Having dwarf elephant be red would also be cute

[ancient ibex]

Holding everything to the standards of what held for 3 years as the highest grossing film ever, of course may lead to misconceptions on the level of Land before Time or Walking with Dinosaurs not making a splash, but that still doesn't make those correct

[plush nacelle]

This one is even better

[ancient ibex]

Jurassic Park is incredibly influential, and that's how its current crap sequels are breaching the billion dollar box office figure consistently, but that doesn't really make other dinosaur-related media insignificant

[feral cedar]

BABEY

[ancient ibex]

Theodore rex, or Carnosaur... those didn't make a splash on the wake of JP

Just like plenty of the 00s and early 10s docs didn't really ammount to much

But WWD got big

[left spear]

Frankly something like PP has barely done even a 10th of what WWD did

[ancient ibex]

PhP is featured quite noticeably on Apple TV marketing as well

[feral cedar]

for what it's worth there's a small but consistent decrease in how many billions they're making with each movie

[ancient ibex]

But still, yeah, WWD was REALLY big back in the day

Dominion outgrossing JP is a travesty I swear

[left spear]

See you in 2053 when the franchise has the first bomb

[feral cedar]

Ngl I think it's possible that we might only be 2 or 3 movies away from a bomb

[left spear]

Honestly

I hope

Let It rest or reboot it

[feral cedar]

let it rest

for the love of all things holy let it rest

[ancient ibex]

Oh wait, no, JP1 has gotten ahead of dominion

And Rebirth is at 600M 800M

[left spear]

Don't keep alive a stiched suffering aberration

[feral cedar]

OOF

that's 400m less than Dominion since that atrocity somehow cracked a billion at the box office

[abstract compass]

adjusted for inflation?

because hoo...the difference might be larger.

[feral cedar]

Yeah lookie here, each World movie makes somewhere around ~300m less than the last

[ancient ibex]

Rebirth is still on cinemas

[feral cedar]

it's a small but consistent pattern

[feral cedar]

seriously?

[ancient ibex]

Yup

[feral cedar]

Oh well, guess we won't know until they take it out

[fresh ember]

When adjusted, TLW would be $1,251,924,902.65 and JPIII would be $676,341,088.44.

[ancient ibex]

JP is harder due to theatrical re-releases

I believe that's what put it ahead of Dominion

[abstract compass]

nice.

kinda relevant if we are drawing comparisons

[quick ore]

I will be honest

the scary thing about a JW bomb is that hollywood will learn the wrong thing from it

[feral cedar]

"dinosaurs boring"?

[quick ore]

instead of them saying "wow JP is trash I guess we should let other IP's with dinosaurs in them get a chance" they will say "I guess audiences don't like dinosaurs anymore" and then prevent new dinosaur movies from getting greenlit

[feral cedar]

The sheer ego of never entertaining the idea that maybe movies bomb because they're bad movies 😭

[quick ore]

LITERALLY

or even that maybe movies do well because they are good movies

like

in the wake of Sinners hollywood should be going "wow we should be giving more directors a chance to tell completely original stories" but no they will 100% only learn from this that audiences want more vampire movies

[feral cedar]

No no the movie can't possibly be bad, it's just that it had [thing] that the audiences didn't like

[quick ore]

same with KPop Demon Hunters, they won't see it as reason to greenlight more original IP animated movies they will just say "wow we need more KPop movies"

[feral cedar]

KDH is such a stupid fucking premise

And yet it worked somehow

[quick ore]

because it had heart and told its story well and did it with gorgeous animation

[feral cedar]

even the most absurd premises can work if you have good writing to set up why it is that way, and KDH is solid proof

[quick ore]

apparently the only way that studio is even making progress getting that Ember story forward into production is by pitching it as a remake of Quest for Fire

[feral cedar]

Why are the KPop singers demon hunters? Because long ago a bunch of demon hunters in medieval times locked away demons through the power of song, and in the modern age the current hunters simply use KPop as the way to channel that demon-locking-thingy

[quick ore]

which is sad

at my thing

[feral cedar]

Prehistoric Kingdom movie when

Actually no

[quick ore]

eh

I think dinosaur movies can exist outside of the park angle

[feral cedar]

A TV series about day-to-day at the zoo

[quick ore]

honestly? what if they tried an animated remake of Primeval as a movie or tv series

[ancient ibex]

Soulless executives are an issue no matter the field

[feral cedar]

Yeah, like Mau for example

He's soulless and gatekeeps Cotylorhynchus and Sivatherium

[abstract compass]

[feral cedar]

I'm onto you, Mau

[quick ore]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-adventure-true-sonic-adventure-2-shadow-the-hedgehog-shadow-sonic-gif-5947148498076945994

[feral cedar]

Mau secretly loves Cotylorhynchus, I just can't prove it

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

[quick ore]

what if Capcom brought back Dino Crisis and then greenlit a movie for it but made it actually good unlike other capcom movies

[desert flame]

I've heard that in terrestrial vivariums, burrows are added depending on the species of animal, so it would be great to add burrow-dwelling mammals like Epigaulus or Palaeocastor.

[fresh ember]

Just so you know, Epigaulus is now known as Ceratogaulus.

But yeah, they've been suggested before.

[desert flame]

yes
I was wrong.

[silver steeple]

PhP is going to make Stegodon small actually

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-tanamen-gecky-incorporeal-gif-21102682

[fresh ember]

Tempted to move the previous topic to somewhere more appropriate, because I got my own two cents on the matter. But on the other hand, knowing you lot, it'll just be ignored and derailed to hell and back.

[left spear]

That's a bit of a... Defeated attitude

Atleast try

[desert flame]

The fluffy Triassic creature coming in Update 16 will likely have their first burrows.

[thorny parrot]

🙃 lol had a idea for that once in Planet Zoo. Couldn't add it to my Discovery Center though because the save file was crashing due to the park being quite big and the copyright software they use having such a big influence on performance.
It would've been a room that has a bunch of microscopes in it that have cameras attached to them. Then a video of the micro organisms would've been shown on nearby screens with info signs next to them

Favorite prehistoric beetle, just because of the name

[shell sonnet]

If you want to take this further, do it in DMs

I'm trying to figure out why I have "Titanidices" in my notes

[buoyant prairie]

This isn’t a Dryptosaur affinity in Cau’s matrix - it’s a polytomy. So it’s saying that Dryptosaurus and Nanotyrannus are at about the same “grade”, but his matrix can’t confidently determine which is more derived, or if they form a clade together

His re-analysis of my matrix changed the outgroups, which is why he gets slightly different results

[ancient ibex]

Mmm, yeah, not apt choice of words there; recovered at roughly the base of Eutyrannosauria (so to speak, clade is node based and that's a politomy that includes it), meant it wasn't really recovered in a throughly different way

[feral cedar]

Roughly the same grade makes it viable to say perfect eutyrannosaur rep is T. rex, an albertosaurine, an alioramin, and a dryptosaur-grade animal

[ancient ibex]

We do need more Appalachian stuff; Nanotyrannus having an Appalachian origin and at the same time not being that close to Dryptosaurus as far as Appalachian tyrannosaurs go are not incompatible, but we have a quite incomplete record

Appalachiosaurus not having preserved arms is also a bummer

[buoyant prairie]

Yeah, exactly - and an Appalachian biogeographic origin makes a lot of sense. But without more material it’s difficult to say

[median relic]

I miss prehistoric park so much, man..

[median relic]

if we got serpentisuchops how much chunk would you want it to have

[shell sonnet]

Huh, that's a weird one. Polycotylids aren't known for having long necks.

[ancient ibex]

Secondarily long necked secondarily short necked plesiosaur looking Macroplatish

[median relic]

that's why it's funny to me

[steep tulip]

would love it but first I want a short necked one

[median relic]

oh yeah ofc

just saying

[low bridge]

Pray for Stegotetrabelodon

Pray for him

[low bridge]

What about Palaeoloxodon Recki?

[feral cedar]

What about it

[low bridge]

Is he needed

[feral cedar]

Not really

[low bridge]

So which elephants are needed in game??

[abstract compass]

we already got the best elephant.

[low bridge]

Moeri, Stegotetra, Anancus, Deinotherium would beat Wooly Mammoth

[median relic]

ngl I do like the sound of all of these but I comparatively could do without anancus

still just sucks we can't get any other mammoth species

[left spear]

We don't have Palaeoloxodon falconeri i fear

[abstract compass]

subjective opinion.

if it was the best elephant, why isnt it in PK?

[left spear]

Same reason cotylorhynchus isn't in the Game yet

Great things take time to be made

[low bridge]

Bc many think Wooly Mammoths are only elephants, other elephants suck

[abstract compass]

[low bridge]

Bye

[old tiger]

An edmontosaurus skin with a sail and hooves based on the new paper?

well not that new but ye

[silver steeple]

1. It alredy has hooves

[old tiger]

mhm

[silver steeple]

2. The sail is not 100% confirmed to be a real thing

Very likely a post-mortem deformation

[old tiger]

Would be a cool skin tho

[silver steeple]

Way too much work tbh

[old tiger]

I mean if they have time after major updates

[silver steeple]

That would require basically an entirely new model

[old tiger]

They could try add-on a sail on a previous model?

I dont get what u mean

[silver steeple]

It would be the same as an alt, which basically requires that a model is made with those kinds of changes in mind from the get-go

[old tiger]

in pk some dinos have different features and models for skins I think

[silver steeple]

For example, the trike species have different horns

[hollow furnace]

They’ve said previously they aren’t going to go back to already finished animals, specifically with regards to future discoveries

[silver steeple]

The model in the files has 4 horns

But only 2 show at a time depending on the species

[old tiger]

So fatalis wont get a skin? 😔

[silver steeple]

Its something that has to be done when the model is being made

Why would it

[old tiger]

I'd love to see a different interpretation of the pattern

[silver steeple]

Regardless of official skins, you'll be able to edit the color regions later down the line with custom stuff anyway

[old tiger]

I heard about custom skin editor getting added

but idk how thatll be implemented

[silver steeple]

Yeah, that's the only way you'll get new skins for the animals

[old tiger]

in jwe games its easier since the dinos dont have a lot of variants

[silver steeple]

Ok

[old tiger]

but in pk its difficult

[silver steeple]

And that's JWE

[old tiger]

a lot of dinos have different features

like uhh

the 3 gallimimus variants

feathered coelophysis

featherless deinocherius

[silver steeple]

Anyway, point is that nothing already in the game is planned to be touched as it stands

[hollow furnace]

Correct, alts will not get additional skins

[silver steeple]

They may throw in something like lipped rex for the hell of it but that's about it

[hollow furnace]

You’ll be able to change colours, but not patterns

[old tiger]

That makes me kinda sad, fatalis is a really iconic species, it's got a ton of fossils in a really well-known formation yet its stuck being an alt

and so is panthera atrox

[silver steeple]

Its either alt or not at all I'm afraid

[hollow furnace]

^

[old tiger]

Yeah

[hollow furnace]

Also it’s skin is amazing anyways

[silver steeple]

Fr

[hollow furnace]

Best of the three imo

[old tiger]

well for the variation

fatalis is iconic yet its stuck being ''just an alt'' if u get what I mean

alts are cool I mean but yk

populatior gets the spotlight

Im happy they gave fatalis a different model tho

I still like alts and i'd be happy if we got for example both the eastern and western dire wolves as one for having thousands of fossils and the other for being one of the biggest canids

One being skinnier with less fur and one being thicker

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, the back feet even if hooved would be more like a rhino's and less like a cow's or a horse's

[steep tulip]

I've seen people say that one of dakota toes broke off and they actually had their feet like the rest of hadrosaurs

[civic terrace]

I have a species suggestion, but it's to the future modders of this game... Are any of you modders planning on adding hominins?

[calm sedge]

Cotylorhynchus bransoni.

[frosty torrent]

Shringasaurus indicus

[hollow furnace]

Weird choice to go with the smallest Cotylorynchus species

But Cotylorynchus yes please

[shell sonnet]

I don't see why being the smallest should be considered a negative. The only case that should matter is whether could be a full habitat animal or has to be a vivarium one.

[hollow furnace]

Because the biggest is the bestest

(and also the only one that coexsted with Dimetrodon (also the largest species of that)

[shell sonnet]

Incorrect, both D. loomisi and C. romeri have been found in the Hennessey Formation

[unreal zenith]

Beipaisaurus (a small therizinosaur)

[calm sedge]

Babies

[hollow furnace]

not just babies for long hopefully

[reef relic]

Frick, you're right

[coarse inlet]

To be fair Nemegt did have drier periods through its history according to Naish

but on average it was definitely wetter

[reef relic]

But it was one of those environments that we know had seasonal changes, including likely snow during the winter

Pretty extreme range

[coarse inlet]

yep

[tulip umbra]

Hope they give us this, prob U19

[mint creek]

Flamingo Deino is the most beautiful girl in the world

[old tiger]

what

how

is this edited

yeah and I hope they give us this

[ancient ibex]

In-game by the devs, a potential featured by full release

[calm sedge]

Diictodon

For the vivarium

[outer moth]

Hoping it still comes, the potential for fake species proxies is endless here

[ancient ibex]

"I can pretend they are other animals" is one odd way to look at custom skins ngl

[outer moth]

It'll tide me over until Modding becomes a thing for PK

[tulip umbra]

I somehow can never find the imagination to fake species like that even with the ontogeny

[ancient ibex]

If I mix Iguano and Ourano, I'm not actually pretending one of those is Lurdusaurus or Istiorachis, but acknowledging each of those may have lived with closer relatives of the other. I specially don't see just alternate skins doing the deal; alt species do carry plenty of other mechanical differences

[old tiger]

WHERE, HOW THIS IS AMAZINF

oh nvm

its from devs but

woooahh

amazing

[flint sable]

I mean that plus ontogeny can get you a pretty convincing difference

not better than alts ofc but still pretty solid

[flint sable]

oh and manually adjusting size variation too

[ancient ibex]

Same energy lol

[flint sable]

ture...

[left spear]

Red dead redemption type of Zoo

[flint sable]

no thats the opposite

the lion was the only real one not the fake one smh

[left spear]

How do you know maybe It was just a very big and lion looking dog

The legitimate Tiger and Zebra were cool tho

[feral cedar]

“imagination” is a generous term here

more akin to self-gaslighting

[autumn plover]

There’s this thing called “imagination”

Worked with JPog, will still work today

[ancient ibex]

Ah yeah, I can use imagination when playing a videogame to pretend things aren't what they are

[mint creek]

Why are you being so hostile over this

[ancient ibex]

Sorry

[last thistle]

I do the species thing with ontogeny all the time especially to fill out formations like hell creek with an ornithomimid and Nanotyrannus

[ancient ibex]

I just dislike being told "you can pretend X is Y" when talking about wishlists

[amber field]

I shared this before, but it's too funny to not pass it again.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-44968509

[desert flame]

Diictodon was originally planned but was changed, but may return after EA.

[shell sonnet]

No evidence that's true

We think it was on the roadmap but we can't say with certainty

[desert flame]

I can't say for sure, but I think it's highly likely. In fact, images of Mononyx, which was listed on the roadmap, have been released on Patreon.

[fresh ember]

We can't say with guarantee that the dinosaur's Mononykus, though.

[shell sonnet]

I mean you~~ 1 %~~ Patreon supporters can

[low bridge]

Do we need more Perissodactyls??

[desert flame]

yes
It's possible that it's a different dinosaur that only resembles its silhouette.
But,I'd like to say that Diictodon may appear in the future.

[steep tulip]

Diictodon is diictogone

So is mononykus
And that one croco thing from madagascar
Forgot the name

[hollow furnace]

Simosuchus

[steep tulip]

No no
The other one
Simosuchus got added so it can't be it

[desert flame]

If you add more, it would be better to have smaller species to increase diversity.
for example, Eohippus

[low bridge]

What about Brontothere?

[desert flame]

yes
Brontotherium is unique and well-known, so it might be a good idea to add it.

[feral cedar]

Brontotherium is dubious

[shell sonnet]

You mean Megacerops

[low bridge]

Embolotherium, Megacerops would Fit insanely good

[desert flame]

yes
I was wrong.

[steep tulip]

Embolotherium would probably need to be its own thing since they probably did very different stuff with their nasal structure
Idk how likely it is to get both

[shell sonnet]

Megacerops is the way to go anyways; the White River formation shall be brought back to the life

[quick ore]

if any Brontothere gets added I want it to be Megacerops

it's basically the posterchild of the group

[steep tulip]

I agree
Just saying I would like to see embolo as well

[quick ore]

oh ofc

[shell sonnet]

Embolo did live with Juxia

And many of the innumerable Hyaenodon species

[quick ore]

I mean it has been featured the most in media of any Brontothere (I think?), however this comes with the caveat of it never being featured with an up-to-date look for its snout, which effectively makes its past appearances feel like a different animal altogether

Embolotherium basically has Masiakasaurus syndrome

[shell sonnet]

There's probably more old docs and paintings of Megacerops when it used to be called Brontotherium

[quick ore]

oh absolutely

as far as vintage paleoart goes Megacerops has the most art done of it

[lean hound]

It's a trilobite

[shell sonnet]

And I did see it illustrated in more books from the mid-1900's (with the caveat that prehistoric mammals were not the focus of the survey)

[amber field]

one day the boys will come

Rhynchocephalians are too good to miss

[frosty torrent]

Hyperodapedon

[steep tulip]

Eilenodon my goat (not here, but with the newer specimen is pretty safely the biggest rhyncocephalian discovered so far)

Pleurosaurus is also pretty great

[amber field]

for me what I want to see is archosaurs Rhynchocephalians and temnospondyls

[amber field]

the herbivore one ?

[steep tulip]

Yes

[amber field]

actually was thinking about it when they mentioned herbivore lizard

[steep tulip]

Insane how the wiki page of this guy isn't updated yet

No one gives a damn 😭

[amber field]

I think not a lot of peoples think about them lol

[coarse inlet]

There’s a new specimen ?

[left spear]

Mahajan?

Wouldn't really be a mini

[outer moth]

Well, some of the species I'd play pretend with aren't really gonna be added as alts anyway

[ancient ibex]

Fair enough

[steep tulip]

No idea why I said newer lol
But the wiki only mentions the fragmentary lower jaws instead of the one with the more complete upper skull (which is also the largest specimen we have of it afaik)

[steep tulip]

I was jesting

Mau said we got all of them wrong but we also had guessed simo there

[tulip umbra]

Mau just tryna throw everyone off

[feral cedar]

Mau didn't make the first reveal blurry enough and is now paying the price

[fiery crow]

hoping we really do end up getting Kelenken and Doedicurus

[outer moth]

Like Giraffatitan or Nanotyrannus

[shell sonnet]

We might still get those

[fiery crow]

I also kinda wanna see Archaeoindris

[tulip umbra]

Its cool if you can do that, i for one lack the self gaslighting skill unfortunately. A couple letters and inherent knowledge prevent me from doing so.

[low bridge]

Give me Arsinoitherium

And Platybelodon

[outer moth]

Neoteny n custom colors can do that

But not all of the time

[last thistle]

Change the nickname

That helps me a lot

[alpine thicket]

It's not so horribly complicated, if it's a similar enough species you just use a skin you don't use for it normally and sub it in.
Like, Velociraptor to Acheroraptor works nicely. It's something fun with skin systems when it's a species that confidently won't be in the game.

Obviously for real it's not but it's nice for fleshing out formation sections of a park.

[tulip umbra]

I know its not complicated haha, its just that i cant lie to myself. I just know this is meant to be muttaburra and not campto

[alpine thicket]

Depends on your tolerance for it too honestly.

I get as far as subbing Protoceratops for Leptoceratops and that's where it ends for me, that's the most extreme end I can go for.

[steep tulip]

Tupandactylus goated I hope we get it

Tapejara is really small it might get put inside vivariums

On a different note, I hope the pk deinosuchus is going to use the updated recon as reference
Apparently its head was so big it probably just crawled around on land and spent most of its time in the water?
Don't think devs gonna follow through with this and probably just make it behave and move like a more average croc

[faint oak]

i imagine it will tbh, its a cool look

hope so anyways

[abstract compass]

croccing it up

[shell sonnet]

Deinosuchus changed to viviarium animal

[quick ore]

this makes it sound almost like the crocodile equivalent of a grebe or sea turtle

[steep tulip]

Yeah lol

It might change in the future considering how this is just the first study done on its "new" anatomy, tho it is a pretty solid deduction imo

According to the paper it seems it lost the ability to high walk as it grew older and bigger

[fresh ember]

Isn't that kinda the same with modern crocodiles?

Like salties?

[steep tulip]

Afaik they still do it fairly regularly, but they do switch to crawling more often than smaller individuals

I think also for how purrusaurus was built, it was capable of high walking as well

[coarse inlet]

Really big crocs don’t high walk

But it’s debated whether it’s because they can’t or just don’t think it’s worth the energy cost

[ancient ibex]

Gharials don't at all sizes, crocs and gators AFAIK drop it as they get larger

[coarse inlet]

Gharials can as juveniles but yeah not as adults

A lot of croc behavior studies are hampered by the fact that crocs are notoriously hard to motivate to perform behavior in controlled circumstances

[steep tulip]

I think it's latter
They rarely need to move around a lot when they reach very big sizes
I have a video laying somewhere of a big nile crocodile walking around, let me see if I can find it

[abstract compass]

https://tenor.com/view/crocodile-hug-cute-float-andréa-abraçar-ana-gif-25713958

[steep tulip]

Also large crocs do still walk with their belly touching the ground, deinosuchus apparently was more dragging itself on the ground like a sea turtle

[steep tulip]

Nvm can't find it
The paper does talk about very large gators tho and how a more erect position of the limbs helps them put less stress on their bones, not sure if it still applies for other crocs

[steep tulip]

also comparing it to a sea turtle might be a bit much, but how the paper talks about it, it had very little capability to lift itself off the ground

[slim flare]

I hope they at least make it only crawl instead of walk

[steep tulip]

I don't mind it too much as long as its fun to watch move around

[autumn plover]

I say this in the politest tone possible, it’s going to have to do

[steep tulip]

Purrusaurus might also have been more of a belly walker now that I think about it, tho it did have more weight bearing bones around the hips so idk

[autumn plover]

JWE3 has less than 100 animals and has less depth than PK, all while being a triple A studio, or at least a larger studio than PK’s

I highly doubt that this game will significantly exceed 100 animals, even accounting for dlc

That includes dinosaurs, cenozoics, paleozoics, potentially aquatics and flyers

A lot of animals are not going to make the cut

[fresh ember]

Considering the roster, once it reaches U19 is estimated to have a total of 92 species, I think I beg to differ.

[autumn plover]

So yeah imagination and using half grown animals are probably going to have to do

[tulip umbra]

How many animals did pz end with?

[autumn plover]

We have 1 tyrannosaurid currently, I’m ignoring alts

[autumn plover]

People in this chat suggest things like Nanotyrannus, Yutyrannus, Albertosaurus, Alioramus, and those are just the popular ones

I think we’ll be lucky to get 2-3

[tulip umbra]

Idk why ur ignoring alts, but they will add a bunch more species to the roster overall

This game is more comparable to planet zoo and that has 210 species. however pk has 2-4 skins and ontogeny, but does have alts

And ur comparing 2 different studios

[steep tulip]

100 isn't that big of a number tbh

Currently we have like 42 animal "slots"

Next update is 3, then another 3 then 6
So 54 animals, with the upcoming vivarium stuff, 63 (def more since there's at least another animal in u19)

If game does well, reaching 100 isn't that unreachable of a goal
Even without considering vivarium critters

[outer moth]

Bit big for that

[steep tulip]

Apparently its way smaller than that
Like it barely has more than 1 meter of wingspan

I also thought it was bigger lol

[outer moth]

Dimorpho's pushing it at best for terrariums

[outer moth]

But no size chart

I can't find a single good one

Without shrinkwrapped ARK Tapejaras or god forbid, D.P.'s Tapejara

[old tiger]

add

add uhh

wait

add

uyhhh

hmm

add lystrosaurus

[old tiger]

idk

uhh

[steep tulip]

This one maybe?

[old tiger]

add uhh, add gigantoraptor

[steep tulip]

No idea why there's not many

[outer moth]

Looks a lil shrinkwrapped

[steep tulip]

Maybe they confused it with the other tupandactylus species

[outer moth]

Still looks a lil too big for vivariums

[steep tulip]

I mean its just a silhouette, not sure where it's the skinwrapping

[old tiger]

have u seen the biggest vivarium

its massive

[hollow furnace]

Using my incredible powers, looks the same as Sassy's skeletal (which I trust):

[outer moth]

Idk if it'd be enough for a flock of even the smallest Tapejara size

[hollow furnace]

(1.7m person)

[outer moth]

Either way

it's bigger than even the biggest known viv

Which is TikTaalik

[steep tulip]

I think I got lied to

[outer moth]

Realistically, the biggest pterosaur that can fit into the vivarium is the Dimorphodon

[steep tulip]

This looks it has over 2 meters in wingspan

[steep tulip]

Dimo also was more terrestrial than other pteros

[hollow furnace]

I think it's based on people misreading the paper, the smallest individual seems to have had an estimated 1.3m wingspan

But there are larger individuals

[outer moth]

Exactly
Yet it'd still jump from tree to tree so it counts as semi-arboreal

[steep tulip]

Oh I see lol

[outer moth]

Dimorpho, Peteino, Aneurognathus, and Wukongopterus are at best, the only pterosaurs I can expect for vivariums

[hollow furnace]

(I mean, going off of Tik and Compy its possible devs could just use a smaller size)

[hollow furnace]

Ptero

[outer moth]

True, but if we're talking about a colony of em, Idk if it'll work

[steep tulip]

Pterodactylus is smaller than dimo

[feral cedar]

Jeholopterus my beloved

Where is it

[hollow furnace]

That's a hypothetical behaviour you're assigning them, we have no idea if they even formed colonies (and in fact they probably weren't actually all the piscivorous)

[steep tulip]

Also I prefer eudimorphodon instead of peteino

Peteino holotype sucks, the paratype sucks as well (and probably isn't the same as the holotype) and the other headless one is also probably not peteino

[outer moth]

I mean, they could be tide pool specialists for all we know

[hollow furnace]

They seem to have been inland animals

Probably eating insects and snails and the like

[feral cedar]

Eudimorphodon is also larger, which is better imo

[outer moth]

We haven't found an adult Ptero yet, no?

[outer moth]

Wouldn't that put it at odds with Archaeo, Compy, Aneuro, and the like?

[hollow furnace]

We have

[hollow furnace]

Believe it or not "eating insects" is a pretty broad category, if the dozens of birds in any one environment can do it more than 3 extinct animals could

[outer moth]

True, extinct ecosystems aren't as pressured as modern ones are

Either way, why haven't I seen anyone depict em as such?

I always see paleoart of em near the coasts or shorelines

So I generally assumed they were some sort of shoreline invert specialist

[steep tulip]

Robbed of a world that instead of having 1000 identical wading birds, it had 1000 identical shore pterosaurs

[hollow furnace]

Smh

[hollow furnace]

luckily Solnhofen paleostream Saturday

[outer moth]

Oh thank god, it'll be the clarity I need

But wait, wasn't the Andrewsarchus formation next?

[hollow furnace]

No that’s the week after

It was the formation picked last stream

They pick 2 weeks in advance

[digital pendant]

Funny enough, there is a puru species that hints at being more capable to walk

[outer moth]

Ah, gotcha

[digital pendant]

And its still a large bastard

[steep tulip]

Is it the one with the additional sacral vertebra?

Or another one

[digital pendant]

"The skeletal anatomy of P. mirandai shows some adaptations for more upright limb orientation or weight support. Unlike all other members of the crown Crocodylia, which have two sacrals, P. mirandai have three."

[steep tulip]

Oh it is
Awesome

Purru was also very long

[digital pendant]

One big dense bastard

All caimans afaik have no trouble walking regardless of size

[steep tulip]

Very much hope we get purru as well, all 3 giant "crocs" are all quite different from one another

[slim flare]

Yes

[outer moth]

We can all agree that Rampho could be the smallest free flier though, right?

[quick ore]

I mean

maybe?

[slim flare]

^

[hollow furnace]

No because you have to pay me money

[outer moth]

Mb, paid flyer

I apologize for my ignorance

/j

But jokes aside, the larger rampho estimates fit perfectly for aviaries instead of vivariums

[coarse inlet]

pteros size charts are all over the place lol

[outer moth]

That and Tapejara seem like they could be pushing it for the smallest Aviary animals if we count ontogeny into the situation

[coarse inlet]

the less volant they are the better they fit, I'd say. Dimorphodon wasnt flying much so it wouldnt need much room to spread its wings, a 12x16 vivarium would be more than enough

[outer moth]

It’d be jumping, gliding, and running, more or less

[coarse inlet]

yeah

maybe flapping occasionally

but it's as volant as a turkey more or less

[outer moth]

Devs have teased that one of the new vivarium species might prefer more than one type of vivarium

So if Dimorpho is ever added, both terrestrial n arboreal vivariums could work for it

[feral cedar]

weird question

do Purussaurus and Euthecodon fall under the crown group of crocs

[steep tulip]

Searching for one that isn't incredibly famous and getting the david peters jumpscare

[outer moth]

I saw that even with Rampho n Rampho’s somewhat famous

[steep tulip]

Yes
Puru is a giant caiman and euthecodon is closer to true crocodiles

[feral cedar]

I will never not find it funny how David Peters claims he uses photoshop - the #1 image editing tool - to "see" details in images of fossils

[feral cedar]

Ah, I was curious cause I was thinking maybe Purussaurus and Euthecodon could be cool crown group croc reps

[coarse inlet]

I meant Pteros the website but that too

[steep tulip]

Oh lol
Only one I could find that was around 1.2 meters
Wikipedia also lists a similar size range
I was complaining about eilenodon earlier, but it seems like more popular genera got the same problem

[toxic gale]

megalochelys atlas

[ancient ibex]

Megalochelys, Archelon, Stupendemys, Meiolania

Gogogogo peak turtoise rep

[toxic gale]

cuz turtles are cool

[outer moth]

Unpopular opinion, I think PK could profit from a “Clone” pack (I don’t quite care about zoo fans hating on “clone” animals, I think they’re neat)

[toxic gale]

elaborate

[ancient ibex]

I do see it working neatly to boost sheer numbers on other DLCs, but, fair

Still sad at Smash Ultimate not doing Echo DLC as well

[outer moth]

I could see them doing it as a “Park Owner’s collection” DLC

[toxic gale]

also, this in a exhibit,

[silver steeple]

Uh sir that's a frog

[toxic gale]

lowk a walk through gate would be cool

like a petting zoo type one

[feral cedar]

Huh, you play Smash?

Who's your main?

[outer moth]

A “Clone” is basically an animal that looks almost similar to an existing animal, which to some people seems like a bad thing, but personally, it’s a good way to round out a roster and it’s easier (and more cost effective) for devs to make

[toxic gale]

k

also they need to add stegosaurs 😢

[fresh ember]

Stegosaurus is coming in U17.

[toxic gale]

W

[outer moth]

I was thinking Erior could elaborate but I decided to do it anyway seeing as it’s not always that clear

Especially to zoo game community newcomers

[toxic gale]

how would yall think the dlc thing would work, maybe by formation?

Ik its not confirmed

adding a few dinos from a formation and adding to existing ones

[outer moth]

It might be a mix or formation/region/era DLCs

[ancient ibex]

Tend to rotate, but I've had a ton of fun with Ridley this one (specially after over a decade of wanting the character lol)

[outer moth]

I know this question isn’t for me but I do heavy characters well

[flint sable]

no thats a pencil

also if that happened irl the beel would 100% try and eat the smaller frog and the pencil

[feral cedar]

RIDLEY ENJOYER DETECTED

[ancient ibex]

Ah sorry; pretty much meant in the whole "animal made pretty much from another animal with relatively minimal alterations, hinging on numerical stat differences" I understand

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-revengeance-armstrong-vs-raiden-armstrong-handshake-raiden-handshake-mgrr-gif-2525627753368873795

[silver steeple]

Ridley is good

But Ganondorf is king

https://tenor.com/view/smash-bros-super-smash-bros-super-smash-bros-ultimate-ganondorf-warlock-punch-gif-25895331

[feral cedar]

Ridley is not my main but he's by far one of my favorite heavies right up there with K. Rool and ol' dorf

I also find the visual gag that Ridley is the tallest character in the game but crouches constantly to be peak

https://tenor.com/view/ridley-down-taunt-ridley-down-taunt-gif-18414902713883029979

[outer moth]

Basically
Honestly it’s the diversity that makes a difference to me
Seeing as clone species just get too much hate, especially in the PZ community
I used to get jumped for wanting a European Brown bear 💀