Community Species Suggestions

[ancient ibex]

They were diverse, because they changed over space and time; how many distinct Triceratops-lineage ceratopsids did we name living alongside what we label as Edmontosaurus, after all

[low bridge]

Rhino Arsinoitherium mini fella

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Everyone forget about Stegotetrabelodon

[feral cedar]

We could use a second chasmosaurine

Either Pentaceratops or Chasmosaurus proper

But also do we need more rhinos?

We’ve got 6 rhinocerotoid species, go back further in the tree and I don’t think they can be called “rhinos” anymore lol

[quick ore]

I think as far as rhinos go the only other species that wouldn't feel egregious at this point would be a small filler species, like Hyrachyus. That's a species that would be good for a number of reasons, one of which is that it gives Pezosiren a friend

otherwise it would be in a literal island of its own

[mint creek]

another 100 rhinos to PK

[shell sonnet]

Of course we need more rhinos. Something from Aceratheriinae would be great.

Also it's a frickin' rhino, rhinos are cool. Maybe not elephant levels of cool, but still pretty cool.

[ancient ibex]

Rhinos and elephants are oh so cool and we have oh so few of them nowadays

[mint creek]

Rhinos are indeed sick. I like them more than Ceratopsians.

[ancient ibex]

Hoping it is a bottleneck rather than clade endlings

[quick ore]

funny how elephants are in better shape than rhinos population wise

by a wide margin

[ancient ibex]

Industrialization is being catastrophic

[ancient ibex]

White rhinos are at 20K individuals, and that's more than twice the numbers of the rest of the species put together

And those numbers are mostly Indians and blacks; Javans and Sumatrans are pretty much statistically insignificant there

[quick ore]

there are over 400k african bush elephants left

[mint creek]

Sub-100 individuals for the Indonesian species right?

[ancient ibex]

But that's like non-human hominids; all 7 species put together have the same numbers as my town

[quick ore]

that's more than all rhinos combined

[feral cedar]

I'm bitter about how we killed off northern white rhinos

[quick ore]

so yeah I would say elephants are in much better shape overall

[ancient ibex]

Don't look up subspecies on any other rhino species then

[feral cedar]

I know the Javan rhinoceros is itself critically endangered, as a species

[ancient ibex]

The Asian species were historically sympatric

[quick ore]

I want to have hope for rhinos, but the state of Javan and Sumatran rhinos is pretty bleak

[feral cedar]

I hate poachers

[ancient ibex]

It isn't just poachers

[quick ore]

don't hate the poachers

[ancient ibex]

Java is a demographic nightmare due to colonialism

[shell sonnet]

Land clearing is a big issue

[quick ore]

hate the system that forces them to poach

they wouldn't do what they do if material conditions were better

[ancient ibex]

The current situation of everything is pretty much a result of 18-19th century unabated growth due to industrialism and colonialism

[left spear]

Peak normal kingdom tbh

[quick ore]

Poaching is a symptom of a larger issue. Is it good to combat poaching? Yes, but you won't fix the root of the problem if you put the blame on poachers and act like they are bad actors not being influenced by a larger system influencing the trade of rhino parts to the wealthy of the world.

[sharp dock]

my poor baby rhino species

[left spear]

Most poachers are people Who rely in that money to survive either way

[ancient ibex]

There is also the issue of turning the rainforest into a palm tree plantation

[left spear]

Not like they do It out of liking it

[ancient ibex]

Or that Java is not meant to support a human population twice that of Germany or the UK, about HALF OF THAT OF THE US

But that goes back to the Dutch approach on the late 19th century I understand

[quick ore]

Overpopulation isn't as serious of an issue compared to the others. With time it will work itself out. What matters more is our relationship to wild spaces and how we provide for said population.

Like we really just waste most of what we create anyway. Land used for food wouldn't need to be nearly as extensive if so much of it never fed people

[ancient ibex]

Overpopulation in general is not as serious as specific high population density, and Java has that issue; people can't be fed without wrecking the land pretty much

[quick ore]

hrm ok

[ancient ibex]

Plus, the approach of being the palm oil central of the world is quite extractive

Back to colonialism

(TTBT, if lack of infant mortality, voluntary birth control, and regulated industrial work had all came together, this wouldn't really be a discussion)

Can't really have perpetual growth be the model for anything, but that's what industrialization has been applying to everything

[digital pendant]

Yes

Regarding the rhino population, besides what was mentioned. Some animals have naturally lower densities

[ancient ibex]

Megafauna in general does that after all, and elephants are far more social than rhinos as a rule

[digital pendant]

Comparing them to elephants isnt useful when they are very nomadic and gregarious animals

[ancient ibex]

The massive range loss is the daunting part

[digital pendant]

Definitely

[ancient ibex]

(As is the incredibly rapid decline of wildlife mass since the 70s)

[digital pendant]

CHILOTHERIUM MENTIONED

[ancient ibex]

Post-WWII is the turning point of "oh fuck we have turned wildlife and wildernes into cows and people"

Anyway, let's not talk about Rhinoceros and Dicerorhinus being potential additions, other weirder rhinos would be hard, and those 2 better not have a chance to be added

Hyracodon has been a staple, but Juxia kinda does its job?

[quick ore]

yuuuuup

[quick ore]

I stand by something like Hyrachyus being a good last rhino option at least as long as other groups aren't represented as much as they are

[shell sonnet]

Hyracodon priscidens is a White River Formation resident, which is a nice bonus given it's one of the best Eocene/Oligocene locations.

Hyrachyus modestus is found in the Wasatch formation, and that's one of the lesser known Eocene I think would make a good pack.

Yeah Juxia fills a similar role, but I honestly feel like Juxia might be too big for a starter animal. It and P. gracilis have way higher ratings than the other one-star animals.

[quick ore]

again, Hyrachyus is also found in Jamaica, which would make it share a formation with Pezosiren, a species that would otherwise be entirely by itself.

[digital pendant]

Hyracodon would be a cute little rhino tbh

[feral cedar]

alternatively we don't add Hyrachyus nor Pezosiren

[shell sonnet]

I see something like Pezosiren depending on what comes out the U18 water update.

[outer moth]

This feels kinda sad to me

[slim flare]

Stephanorhinus…

[feral cedar]

ngl narrow-nosed and Merck's rhinos pulling black/white rhino partitioning would be cool

[slim flare]

I think woolly is more white

[feral cedar]

yeah woolly rhinos are more grazers than browsers

ngl though having these four proper rhinocerotids in the game would be crazy

[limber needle]

i feel like the animal group in need of the most diversity is the fish

[slim flare]

Every animal in the game is a fish

Even if you mean non-tetrapod fish, well we at least have Tiktaalik. We have no amphibians, no invertebrates.

[ancient ibex]

Give

[feral cedar]

Ichthyostega?

[ancient ibex]

Eryops

[feral cedar]

oh

Cool dude ngl

Isn't Eryops like actually massive

[ancient ibex]

Lion sized frogamander, going by the larger specimens

This one was still large dog sized

IIRC the larger ones

[feral cedar]

nice

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, 1.5-2 meter long animal, but 3 meter for fully grown ones is reasonable

This is a chunky and short tailed animal fwiw

[feral cedar]

3 meters in length for such a short-tailed animal...

monster

[ancient ibex]

Also gotta furnish the Morrison up

[feral cedar]

Ceratosaurus and Diplodocus, I take it?

[ancient ibex]

Campto

[feral cedar]

oh, I see the campto in the background

I can't wait for Mononykus

I'll bite a bullet if it's not in the vivarium update

[shell sonnet]

Stephanorhinus is likely Coelodonta closest relative; there are more interesting Rhinocerotoids to add

[feral cedar]

Stephanorhinus could be a cool pseudo-alt to add in the future

Sort of like how Giganotosaurus is probably taking a lot from Carcharodontosaurus while getting its own slot

[shell sonnet]

Giga at least has the excuse of being the bigger name and has plenty of alts of its own (Mapu and Tyrannotitan)

[slim flare]

But none are Late Pleistocene, ergo Stephanorhinus is clearly the best choice.

[shell sonnet]

Stephanorhinus has a lot of species, though

[slim flare]

We only need two

[ancient ibex]

The 2 late Pleisto ones are the main takeways tho

[slim flare]

(From the Late Pleistocene)

[feral cedar]

^

Love me my ice age

[ancient ibex]

C'mon, apple and pear trees deserve their seed spreaders

[feral cedar]

Also me personally I don't really see much "future" rhinocerotoids beyond like, maybe smol Menoceras in an Agate Springs-themed DLC alongside Daeodon and maybe Hyracodon tossed in somewhere else?

But Hyracodon bears a close resemblance to the earliest horses (duh) so I'm not sure if it'd step on the toes of Eohippus/Mesohippus much

[slim flare]

Tbf we need all the other mammal clades first

[feral cedar]

true

we need to see the introduction of xenarthrans with ground sloths and glyptodonts first and foremost me thinks

[slim flare]

Then SANU

Marsupials

[feral cedar]

and we'd also do good to get some more caniforms up in here

The cave bear can't carry that clade all on its own

[tulip umbra]

I reckon mustelids (Enhydriodon) will also gain popularity once PhP ice age drops, much like how hatzeg, simo and mono gained popularity

[feral cedar]

dire wolves and short-faced bears are a must for caniforms

[slim flare]

Yes

[feral cedar]

and then once we get bears and dogs, let's get bear-dogs

[ancient ibex]

Epicyon would go hard

Give the literal top dog

[slim flare]

Amphicyon

[feral cedar]

Amphicyon my beloved

[ancient ibex]

Cool dude

[feral cedar]

I wouldn't mind at all the -cyon trio

[ancient ibex]

Can see otters and fossas of the XXL variety gaining popularity 2 weeks from now

[feral cedar]

Aenocyon, Epicyon, Amphicyon

[tulip umbra]

Hyaenodon while not a carnivora does fill the same roll/niche and will get priority

[feral cedar]

ngl this reads like a Pokemon evolutionary line

[feral cedar]

Hyaenodon AND Amphicyon would be neat but I agree the former gets a bit more priority, mostly because the devs already had it

Legacy carries some serious weight

[ancient ibex]

Huge doggo with a taste for bones

[feral cedar]

Epicyon and dire wolves would be great dog rep

[ancient ibex]

Warrah in recent extinctions perhaps

Vulpes or Urocyon adjacent foxes don't really have notable extinct relatives with eyecatching differences from their living relatives I believe

[ancient ibex]

But I frankly don't know enough about fossil foxes

[tulip umbra]

Lets say stellars sea cow and haasts eagle get cut from recently extinct dlc, which two animals are you swapping in?

[feral cedar]

I mean considering how successful foxes are today it wouldn't surprise me if they weren't exactly innovating thousands of years ago and were largely the same as they are now

[feral cedar]

I'm like 90% sure they are getting cut because they can't be added unless the PK devs crack the code on aquatic and flying animals BEFORE they do their first DLC

[ancient ibex]

Generalists tend to thrive

[tulip umbra]

Same, which is why im asking

[feral cedar]

I'm ngl it boils down to how big PK DLCs are

[tulip umbra]

Hypothetically

[feral cedar]

From Mau's endless yapping we know one slot of the RE DLC; Equus

But at the same time he DID post that gif of a moa in 2024 completely unprompted so that makes me think Dinornis gets a second slot

[shell sonnet]

Voay/Hanyusuchus and Cylindraspis vosmaeri

If the Great Auk can't make it for some reason, H. laloumena I guess

[feral cedar]

I personally think that PK DLCs might average around 4 - 6 slots per pack

Thylacine
Equus quagga/ferus
Moa
Dodo

[shell sonnet]

Then Dodo, Moa, Thylacine, Quagga, Aurochs is what I'd expect

[feral cedar]

Aurochs would be so cool

[tulip umbra]

Id like to see the passenger pigeon in vivaria

[feral cedar]

OOOH

[quick ore]

don't forget Marsupials!

as well as other metatherians

[vocal lotus]

i read that after your comment you are right but i think titanoboa fits in this game very well. if we are real talking in every zoo animals dont do much so i think , Titanoboa does not stand out.

thank you very much now i know more

[plush nacelle]

The more I think about haast eagle being in different DLC

Zealandia Pack would be so good

Meiolania, haast eagle, mekosuchus, smaller moa, antarctic flora, maori architecture, new map in NZ

Or even second map set in new caledonia

And some really good vivariums

[shell sonnet]

Meiolania and mekosuchus are not found in NZ

[plush nacelle]

Zealandia is not new zealand

[shell sonnet]

True

[median relic]

didn't think about that

enhydriodon would be awesome in pk

[plush nacelle]

Actually

Is there something to connect mauritius and madagascar?

[quick ore]

they're both indian ocean islands?

I think?

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, an extinct Indian Ocean island would be the best idea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Madagascar_and_Indian_Ocean_Island_species_extinct_in_the_Holocene

Personally, I think Madagascar can support its own pack

[quick ore]

absolutely

[shell sonnet]

The only way I would combine them is if I was just looking at RE stuff

[plush nacelle]

I also wonder, if PK team will be able to pull pack with all rig and animations being unique

[low bridge]

How dare u SKIP Synthetoceras??????????

How dare u

To commit such crime

[median relic]

when you combine the holocene extinctions + maeverano formation, madagascar could make an awesome pack

[median relic]

I don't think that's a rhinoceratoid-

yeah no

[shell sonnet]

Actually, Giant Fossa, Elephant Bird, Larger Malagasy Hippopotamus, Archaeoindris and Voay could carry a RE Madagascar pack by themselves with a lemur as an arboreal vivarium animal.

[low bridge]

Stephanohirnus better

[steep tulip]

Maeravano has 2/3 possible picks for large exhibit, all others are vivarium tier animals
Not sure if that's enough to carry an entire dlc on their own

[shell sonnet]

Especially cause one of the better vivarium animals is already coming with U16

[hollow furnace]

Still lots of good viv picks left though

Toothcan…

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Sivatherium

[hollow furnace]

Sivatherium is not a vivarium animal

Or from late Cretaceous Madagascar

[plush nacelle]

Malagasy aardvark 🔥

[shell sonnet]

4 if you count Mahajangasuchus

though it's low on the list (I want a true land croc)

[steep tulip]

Only way I see mahajanga getting added is if they make it an alt of kapro
Ig you could put kapro in there, but it's probably better fit elsewhere

[low bridge]

Call Barinasuchus

[low bridge]

Bc Siva should be deleted from Existence

[median relic]

I meant that + holocene madagascar

[shell sonnet]

I'd say the other way around given how more complete Mahajang is (also the fact that it's got neighbors worth adding)

[tulip umbra]

Kapro has name popularity and that goes a long way

[steep tulip]

That would be the ideal outcome for me as well, but kapro got all the fame so it probably sells better

[low bridge]

Stegosaurus is cooked

Boiled

[steep tulip]

The stegosaurus resurrection in a few months

[tulip umbra]

Stego with godzilla skin gonna go hard

Imagine if that thing got bioluminescence and could shoot beams from its mouth

[amber field]

Can't wait for February

[quick ore]

what does this even mean

[quick ore]

Sivatherium isnt a vivarium animal what

nor is it from madagascar

[low bridge]

Stegodon eaten him

[quick ore]

what are you talking about?

[tulip umbra]

Just dont pay them any mind…

[quick ore]

ok

[faint oak]

Epicyon with Borophagus alt

gib cave pibble

[low bridge]

Will Homotherium be peak in game?

It would die

[mint creek]

It's a pretty good pick

Though I think some other mammalian carnivores should have priority like Hyaenodon and Arctotherium

[median relic]

pontolis

[mint creek]

Or that big ass otter I only learned about because of PP Ice Age

[median relic]

right

[quick ore]

Homotherium is like, the only other necessary machairodont addition

[median relic]

enhydriodon (maybe megalenhydris as well?), pontolis, hyaenodon/megistotherium, amphicyon, dire wolves, homotherium, thylacoleo, and thylacosmilus are all the mammalian land capable carnivores I can think of immediately that I want

• falkland islands wolf and thylacine for RE
  not counting omnivores

[mint creek]

Think dire wolves are a bit too old for RE

Would be cool to have them eventually though

[median relic]

no

sorry I put dire wolves twice

lol only warrah for RE

ngl a sea mink could be a cool RE viv

[quick ore]

Eh, I think the RE viv species should go to groups that don't have any chance of being habitat species. Like other birds, reptiles, or small mammals

the sea mink is cool and all but there are other options that would be a lot more unique

[median relic]

true

would dodos have to be a viv?

[quick ore]

I don't think they have to

could they be made to be? sure, but they could just as well be exhibit animals

which I very much hope that they will be

[median relic]

hope they're full exhibits yeah

[quick ore]

them in vivariums would be disappointing

especially given there are plenty of RE birds that would be far better for vivs

[median relic]

hmm.. RE vivs..
Golden toad? Carolina parakeet? Passenger pigeon?

[quick ore]

there's so many

[median relic]

(unfortunately) yeah lol

[quick ore]

like there are a LOT of recently extinct island birds that would be great as additions

[median relic]

Mauritius broadbilled parrots are cool

ivory billed woodpecker?

and none of this having even mentioned New Zealand yet 🥀 so much to pull from

[quick ore]

too contentious

there's also Xenicibis

and the mole ducks from Hawaii

[median relic]

aren't those earlier holocene

[quick ore]

what's the cutoff date for RE

[median relic]

also early holocene

[median relic]

that's a very very good question

[quick ore]

I assumed anything in the Holocene is fair game

[median relic]

.. idk?

[slim flare]

Probably not

[median relic]

yeah but then a lot of pleistocene stuff lasts into that

[slim flare]

Most Late Pleistocene extinctions were actually early Holocene

[median relic]

so mammoths could be RE which is a no no

^

yeah

[slim flare]

Recently extinct is 1500 CE or later

Woolly mammoth are historically extinct

At 4,000 years ago

[median relic]

idk I've just been imagining anything since 1000 but at the same time a lot of obv picks like giant moas would've died out a bit before that

[slim flare]

PK isn’t using the hard definition

[quick ore]

oh Xenicibis was like 2,200 years ago

[median relic]

hmm..

[slim flare]

They said 2,000 years ago

[median relic]

what is the oldest extinct animal shown in the original RE goal

[slim flare]

Which includes moas, excludes mammoths

[slim flare]

Anything since 1 CE

https://preview.redd.it/will-these-never-be-added-since-the-kickstarter-goal-wasnt-v0-deu61w6flv9c1.jpeg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c77229225f7897c6754f876b4e5e2c0b349f271a

[left spear]

Moa/Haasts

[tulip umbra]

Pontolis land predator?

Also Andrewsarchus

[median relic]

land capable predator

[tulip umbra]

And daeodon

[median relic]

possibly an omnivore

[median relic]

I said not counting omnivores

[tulip umbra]

Thats… a very specific and weird list…

[median relic]

literally how 💀

just carnivorous land mammals 🥀

[quick ore]

OH

pig footed bandicoot would be great

[median relic]

True...

[tulip umbra]

Well to add to your list then, Pachycrocuta or the cave hyaena

And the giant fossa if it gains enough popularity in PhP

[median relic]

I want it regardless cause it's cool af

[tulip umbra]

And if youre gonna have pontolis might as well have Allodesmus or Acrophoca as well

[low bridge]

How can you forget about Cave Hyena, Dinocrocuta??

[quick ore]

(Darren hinted that there may be evidence of it still being alive in a recent tetzoo blogpost)

[steep tulip]

Hoping it went extinct so pk can add it instead

[quick ore]

I think the cave hyena would be cool, one of the only other living genera I would wanna see in game besides Equus

[left spear]

Okey buuut what about we add It in Historic Republic

The second Blue Meridian game

[tulip umbra]

Bos? Also my other picks would be Leptoptilos robustus (giant marabou stork) and Ciconia maltha (asphalt stork from La Brea)

[quick ore]

ohhhh my god I forgot Bos I am so sorry Bos

[quick ore]

was the giant marabou stork flightless?

[tulip umbra]

Possibly due to its size

[median relic]

true

[median relic]

right

imagine if it got added before it was proven still alive 💀

idk I just think Darren making that blog and then preplanet being shown with a black giant fossa, and him being involved with preplanet

very suspicious...

should I make a giant fossa deltarune prophecy?

[proper raven]

reminder blogs are somewhat well-founded opinions

[quick ore]

ok but we are talking about the very cryptic thing he said at the very end of said blog

[quick ore]

especially considering that the idea that it was black only comes from said eyewitness accounts

[median relic]

you could even say...cryptoprocta

[median relic]

fossa trappers seeing the last giant fossa

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-true-smiling-friends-tru-gif-6260607178092796548

"look dude there's a modern one for comparison oh my god dude"

[tulip umbra]

Cryptoprocta spelea… another animal found in a cave

We should get all of em in the game

[median relic]

every animal with "cave" prefix bring them in

cave wolf, cave hyena, cave leopard, cave wolverine, cave fossa, cave man...

[flint sable]

giraffa spelaea finally

how I have missed you

[left spear]

Wooly giraffe

[tulip umbra]

Theres a cave wolverine?

[median relic]

I believe so

having trouble finding it but I swear there's a Gulo gulo spelaea

[slim flare]

Yes

[median relic]

https://biodiversitypmc.sibils.org/collections/plazi/1766284AFFFADB46FC619C4BFA87FCC5 it's mentioned here

"The large Gulo gulo from the European late Pleistocene is sometimes assigned to a chronostratigraphical form/subspecies G. gulo spelaea (Goldfuss, 1818) , and distinguished from the recent form mainly in its larger size (Goldfuss, 1818b). However, more recent authors regard it as ungrounded and classify it as G. gulo (Döppes, 2001; Marciszak, 2012; Diedrich, 2014)."

so I guess it's controversial

[slim flare]

Most subspecies are

They’re incredibly subjective

[median relic]

true

[full quartz]

When they get round to adding water critters to the game. I’d love to have Endoceras giganteum… it be so cool and scenic watching a group of these just slowly drifting through the water

[left spear]

Would be hell to animate

But we can dream

[hollow flower]

I am quite fond of Endoceras

Mostly due to me owning one

[left spear]

Dude has cracked prehistoric animal clonation and still doesn't share It smh

[hollow flower]

One must make ends meet somehow

[frosty torrent]

Neosclerocalyptus

[median relic]

hear me out we should get featherless mutations for heavily feathered animals
imagine a moa or an ovi looking like this lol

[flint sable]

idk if that would be possible

[left spear]

Only Rex would minimally benefit from this but even then It would probably still look better feathered

[flint sable]

since iirc the feathers and things are like

baked into the model iirc

[median relic]

no rex barely has feathers

I mean heavily feathered things

[median relic]

aww

[flint sable]

same with the mammals too iirc

[outer crater]

They should’ve had a sparsely feathered galli skin

[ancient ibex]

No

[median relic]

I didn't realize canadaga was this big

when/if we get aquatics I want hesperornis with a canadaga alt

[feral cedar]

You know, I'm curious

Nanotyrannus makes it a lot more difficult for those lithe and speedy pantyrannosaurs to get added huh

PK could cover all "flavors" for a lack of a better word of tyrannosauroids with two proceratosaurids (Guanlong and Yutyrannus), a "dryptosaur" (Nanotyrannus), and then of course give T. rex an albertosaurine and an alioramin friend

[quick ore]

OK imagine:
Moreno Hill DLC
-Zuniceratops
-Nothronychus/ Segnosaurus alt
-Suskityrannus

[reef relic]

I am a fan of Zuniceratops so I'm down

Allow me to throw my own DLC idea;

Yixian Formation DLC
**Yutyrannus - **

• *Carnivore diet, group size 1-3. Gender-segregated groups, high security rating. *
  Bolong -
• *Frugivore/Herbivore diet, group size 4-10. Mixed-gender groups with a dominant female, low security rating. *
  **Euhelopus - **
• *Herbivore diet, group size 2-7. Mixed-gender groups without a leader, medium security rating. *
  **Beipiaosaurus - **
• *Insectivore/Herbivore/Frugivore diet, group size 4-12. Mixed gender groups with either dominant gender, low security rating. *
  **Caudipteryx - **
• *Insectivore/Frugivore diet, group size 6-20. Single-male multi-female harem flocks, low security rating. *

Either** Laioningsaurus, Repenomamus or Sinornithosaurus** as a vivarium species. All species would have a preference for Temperate, Coastal, Wetlands & Boreal biomes.

With a lot of asian-native foliage(especially pink & white cherry blossom trees, with non-blossomed variants) and a new Chinese architectural theme.

[left spear]

Yutyrannus in a dlc hurts my soul

[reef relic]

I wouldn't be surprised if it became a vanilla creature, but I couldn't put together a Yixian DLC idea without including it.

[steep tulip]

Both lianingosaurus and bepiaosaurus are known from juvenile individuals, they could have reached bigger sizes

Otherwise good list

[reef relic]

I would imagine the developers would be able to portray them at good estimated adult sizes with the right amount of research

Also, Laioningsaurus looks like it would remain small enough to be a vivarium species even at adult size, but that's not really important

[low bridge]

Let me show u my ideal Prehistoric Africa Dlc :
Deinotherium -

• Herbivore, group size 5-6
  Ancylotherium -
  *Herbivore, group size 4-5
  Sivatherium -
• Herbivore, group size 2-3
  Syncerus Antiqqus -
  *Herbivore, group size 10-12
  Rusingoryx -
  *Herbivore, group size 8-9
  Hippo Gorgops -
  *Herbivore, group size 2-3
  Dinofelis -
  *Carnivore, group size 2-3
  Megantereon -
  *Carnivore, group size 1-2
  Crocodylus Thorbjarnarsoni -
  *Carnivore, group size 1-2
  Crocodylus Anthropophagus -
  *Carnivore, group size 2-3
  So what is your opinion on this idea by me 🤔🤔

[steep tulip]

An adult lianingosaurus would be longer than 2 meters I think

[reef relic]

Hippopotamus gorgops might be too similar to the modern hippo, but the rest of the selection is really nice.

[reef relic]

He'd just be a lil cramped 🤣

[left spear]

While i like them a lot crocodylus making into the game is borderline impossible

But otherwise good list

[low bridge]

Hadrosaur mimic bovid is neat pick

[low bridge]

If not Crocodylus, then Euthecodon

[left spear]

Euthecodon is very funny actually

Would be nice to have a false gharial

[low bridge]

We lack in African Prehistoric megafauna

[tulip umbra]

At that point it’s not a vivarium animal, i believe the biggest specimen we have is less than 1yr old and they all died from drowning… so the semi aquatic piscivore anky theory is kinda dead

[amber field]

Especially mammals

[outer moth]

Liao n Beipi are proven to be bigger, just sayin

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/carefully-he's-true-hes-true-you-know-gif-2530337019758775981

[silver steeple]

It was never really alive

[low bridge]

And 2 croc nightmares, one from Pleistocene Tanzania

[low bridge]

Syncerus Antiqqus

Get jiggle with Toxodon

[low bridge]

Thylacosmilus??? Barbourofelis???

Agriotherium

[left spear]

Thylacoleo, Aenocyon and thylacosmilus all take priority for more small mammalian predators.

[amber field]

corcs always plus for me

[low bridge]

Giant species of living genus

[amber field]

yeah , like the human hunter

[low bridge]

Royal Crocs with horns

[outer moth]

Crocodylus is cool, but Voay is better
Simbakubwa instead of Megantereon (or as an alt of it)
H. Gorgops is fine, but the Madagascan hippo brings more to the table
Also add Aepyornis, I think it could fit here

[amber field]

Crocodylus robutus ?

[silver steeple]

Simbakubwa is a hyaenodont, megantereon is a smilodont

You practically can't get further apart within Ferae if you tried

You're probably thinking of megistotherium

[outer moth]

Oh shit mb

I mistook the name

Thought it was Megisto

[low bridge]

Thorbjarnarsoni, Anthropophagus

[toxic oriole]

There are bears in Africa

[flint sable]

was

[toxic oriole]

At least, used to be

[flint sable]

till bout 200 years ago

[toxic oriole]

Discord for whatever reason took a long while to send those messages of mine

[flint sable]

but those were basically boring brown bears

before that there was pursuit apex pandas

[toxic oriole]

Wasnt there another one or something? Older one?

[flint sable]

correct

agriotherium

[fiery crow]

do you guys think one of the “funky dinosaurs” is gonna be Halzkaraptor?

[toxic oriole]

The waterfowl dromaeosaur

[flint sable]

which I just learned recently is apparently a panda relative

[flint sable]

I personally dont find it likely

[toxic oriole]

Lets get Agriotherium into PK

[fiery crow]

the loathsome fish eater

[flint sable]

theres only a single remaining piscivore slot and one of the remaining species is confirmed to be semiaquatic

it could definitely be a herbivorous semiaquatic mammal though

but I would say its more likely its a piscivore

[fiery crow]

I think it’s gonna be Castorocauda personally

[flint sable]

im on the Didelphodon boat but Castorocauda is definitely my next guess

Didelphodon because its pretty iconic, at least in mesozoic mammal terms, decently sized for the time too, and also from an existing formation

[fiery crow]

I’ve seen a few people say it’ll be Puijila or however you say it
not sure about that myself

[flint sable]

I forgot exactly how large castorocauda is

ok yeah pretty big

16 centimeters

not quite as big as didelphodon but probably large enough for vivariums ye

[steep tulip]

Only 16? I thought it was like 40 cm

[flint sable]

wait no I meant inches

sorry bout that

about a third of a meter long

so approximately 30-40 centimeters ye

apparently didelphodon is up to a meter

[fiery crow]

it’s probably never gonna happen but I would like to see some Precambrian/Cambrian vivariums in the future

[flint sable]

I could really see either one tbh but I think didelphodon is slightly more likely

definitely would prefer either of those, or any mesozoic mammal really out of anything like

a stem pinneped

or something

[steep tulip]

Oh lol
Not sure which of the 2 is more likely
A while ago I would have said didelphodon, but people did bring up good points for castorocauda as well

[hollow furnace]

I'd be surprised if we didn't at least get Anomalocaris at some point

[flint sable]

but hopefully we will know at some point within the next few months

[flint sable]

agreed

precambrian im not so sure about

I think they could definitely go the route of how they turned dung beetles into essentially a moving decoration with some species

[fiery crow]

nah I wanna see Hallucigenia personally

[hollow furnace]

3 pixels

[steep tulip]

Maybe as deco

[flint sable]

like I could see a placeable hallucegenia decoration or something

but anything smaller than like

6 inches at the absolute minimum would be basically impossible to see, even then thats still really really small

[fiery crow]

RIP the chances of Haikouichthys

[flint sable]

lemme actually look at the diets rq

for whats left

we have an insectivore which is probably the """mystery""" dinosaur that looks like Monokyus

1 herbivore slot

2 carnivore slots

and a piscivore slot

[fiery crow]

I’ve seen the Patreon dev diaries, not gonna spoil anything

[flint sable]

I think the uhhhhh

wait

[steep tulip]

Either the arboreal lizard is suminia

[flint sable]

so the hints are uhhhh

[steep tulip]

Or the other dino is herbivorous

[flint sable]

wait do we know what suminia was eating

[steep tulip]

Plants

[flint sable]

what about drepanosaurs

werent they also herbivores

[fiery crow]

“two funky dinosaurs, an arboreal lizard, a fuzzy Triassic critter, and a semi-aquatic mammal”

[flint sable]

ye

[fiery crow]

is there anything
I’m missing

[flint sable]

no thats all of them

[steep tulip]

Strictly insectivorous

[hollow furnace]

you know you can link your discord account to your patreon account? Idk your tier but Keeper and above gets access to the patreon exclusive discord channel

[flint sable]

im fairly certain the fuzzy triassic critter and semiaquatic mammal are carnivores and piscivores respectively

[hollow furnace]

And even lower tiers get the little patreon symbol to flex with

[flint sable]

about 80% sure for each

[fiery crow]

I already know what one of the funky dinosaurs is thanks to dev diaries
I think the other one might be Sinosauropteryx
fuzzy Triassic critter is probably Thrinaxodon
semi-aquatic mammal could be Castorocauda
I wanna say Drepanosaurus for the arboreal lizard but the insectivore slot is already taken which means it’ll probably be Suminia

[flint sable]

im also roughly 95% certain the blurry dinosaur is an insectivore

[hollow furnace]

Sino seems unlikely imo going by "funky" dinosaur

otherwise seems reasonable

[flint sable]

so that leaves a carnivore and herbivore slot for the arboreal lizard and remaining dinosaur

and idk bout you but I cant think of any notable carnivorous lizards from prehistory

its very possible im blanking on this but I legitimately cant

[steep tulip]

Arboreal lizard as a carnivore is interesting, since all notable picks are like, insectivorous

[fiery crow]

I remember seeing a poll speculating what the vivarium animals might be
I might need to see it again

[flint sable]

so with this that would mean that its fairly likely that the arboreal lizard is Suminia or at the very least an herbivore, leaving the final mystery dino as a carnivore

[hollow furnace]

worth mentioning diets are more flexible, could be a carnivore and an insectivore, or herbivore and insectivore, etc.

[flint sable]

so with that, here are my final predictions factoring diet and the hints, as well as my percentage confidence

[steep tulip]

Could also be that they just gave one that could have eaten other stuff other than insects the carnivorous symbol for reasons

[fiery crow]

semi aquatic mammal could also be Didelphodon or Puijila

[steep tulip]

That would leave out drepanosaurus tho, I can't really imagine it eating anything else other than insects

A gliding one wouldn't be too unlikely considering they could share stuff with the other arboreal animals more easily

[hollow furnace]

They also just, gave Compy, Yi, and Tik the wrong diets at first too

So strictly speaking not impossible they’re just wrong diets for some of them

[fiery crow]

I can’t wait to see Tiktaalik tbh

[hollow furnace]

The feesh

This devlog, trust

[steep tulip]

Oh didn't know lol

[hollow furnace]

yeah Yi was like, a herbivore and Compy was an insectivore

[flint sable]

Semiaquatic Mammal, Piscivore: Didelphodon or Castorocauda (slight favour for Didelphodon, about 70% sure its one of these two)

First Funky Dinosaur: Insectivore: Monokyus, the blurry picture is a very close match and it was on the list at one point

Second Funky Dinosaur: Carnivore: This is the guess I am definitely the least confident on, however I am fairly confident it is a carnivore. it could be basically anything, however, my guess is possibly some flavour of Noasaur, as it definitely fits "Funky", but most are known from very shit remains or are too large, or both. Only like 15% sure about this one lol, as I said it could be basically anything

Arboreal Lizard: Herbivore: Suminia: From process of elimination, Suminia makes sense. It is definitely the most notable arboreal herbivorous "lizard" from the fossil record, as most of the others are insectivores. About 60% certain on this one

Fuzzy Triassic Critter: Carnivore: It could be basically anything again, but im about 80% certain its a carnivore. The favorite to win is Thrinaxodon, which would be nice since its from both the Triassic and Permian, giving us two species from the Permian. (Thrinaxodon and Suminia) About 30% confident its Thrinaxodon specifically

here are my guesses

thoughts?

one im definitely the least confident on is what the totally unknown funky dinosaur is

[fiery crow]

imagine if the other funky dinosaur we got was that one aquatic ankylosaur

[steep tulip]

I wonder if they keeping the rest as a secret because of that one guy that leaked one of them in the subreddit

A while ago

[flint sable]

?

[steep tulip]

Not aquatic

[flint sable]

ye it wasnt aquatic

also it was probably fairly large too since all we have are very young juveniles

so its basically impossible to tell what the adults were like

[amber field]

Really don't get it about Suminia

[steep tulip]

There was a guy in the pk subreddit that revealed one of the animals

[flint sable]

is the post still up?

[steep tulip]

And to avoid the others from getting spoilered they keeping the rest as secret

[fiery crow]

unsure

[flint sable]

probably wouldnt be smart to post it here but could you DM it to me if possible

im very interested

[steep tulip]

No

[flint sable]

if not I understand that too

ah

[fiery crow]

could you tell me what it was

through DMs

[steep tulip]

It was one of those we know already tho

[flint sable]

ah ok

[steep tulip]

Like simosuchus

[fiery crow]

ah

[flint sable]

what about it?

the fact its called an arboreal lizard?

most recons of suminia make it way too mammalike, it was pretty basal

would look very much like a lizard in life probably

this recon is one of my favorites

this one too

[steep tulip]

This one good

[fiery crow]

semi-aquatic mammal could be Indohyus too

[flint sable]

it was almost certainly not something like this one

[flint sable]

indeed a possibility

although seeing the ammount of water in the semiaquatic tank I kinda doubt it, iirc indohyus had semiaquatic affinities but not anything like a seal or even otter iirc

and the tanks are like 80 to 90% water at least as of the last log

[flint sable]

especially this one

you could definitely mistake this for a reptile or lizard

[fiery crow]

fuzzy Triassic critter could also be Morganucodon or Megasztrozodon

[amber field]

I mean it's closer to mammals than Dimetrodon or early Synapsids

[steep tulip]

Aren't those insectivores

[flint sable]

true ig

but its actually recovered pretty close to dicynodonts

to paint a picture

[steep tulip]

Maybe mau said that to conceal what it is

[fiery crow]

reach of the century, but it could also be Rosamygale

[flint sable]

specifically it was basal in Anomodontia

also we are almost entirely certain dicynodonts were entirely hairless thanks to the extremely well preserved fossils from south africa with no traces of hair

[steep tulip]

Rn my bet is more on a gliding reptile of some kind

[amber field]

And I don't think a game about accuracy called this a lizard , at least that what I see

[flint sable]

I actually have an aquantance who did an entire thesis on the skin of lystrosaurus iirc, and I asked them about the possibility of hair on dicynodonts and to quote them they said

"nuh uh"

[steep tulip]

Tbh what you call it without giving away what it is
A permian synapsid?

[flint sable]

true, but mau also said

funky

in the same sentence

so like

if thats any indication for profesionallism/accurate

[flint sable]

this

sure you could call it a synapsid but like

theres one synapsid thats known to have been arboreal

which is

suminia

so

[quick ore]

what if Suminia was the fuzzy synapsid lol

[flint sable]

I mean its from the permian not the triassic

so uh

probably not

[amber field]

Yeah, either ways I can't wait to see it

[flint sable]

indeed

[fiery crow]

arboreal lizard could be Hylonomus

[flint sable]

I guess

seems very small for a vivarium tho

even in the smallest possible one you would be hard pressed to find it

definitely does fit the lizard monaker slightly better though

[hollow furnace]

also still has the same problem of probable insectivore

[fiery crow]

I have a feeling we’ll be getting something similar to vivariums in the future for really small animals

[plush nacelle]

What if mau simply lied and there is no lizard

[fiery crow]

honestly
sounds like something Mau would do

[flint sable]

true

U16 trailer be like

see the new species

[steep tulip]

Hylonomus a bit too random also

[flint sable]

castorocauda

[hollow furnace]

Also, has anyone suggested Ascendonanus?

Arboreal, carnivorous, lizard-like but not lizard

[flint sable]

I have not and honestly

[plush nacelle]

Also hard to believe there would be only 2 amphibious species

[flint sable]

thats a pretty good contender too ngl

[flint sable]

honestly yeah

thats a very good point

arboreal and terrestrial having double the species of the aquatic one

[plush nacelle]

9 new species sounds like great way to divide into 3 each

[silver steeple]

There's 9 animals coming

So yeah

[flint sable]

that is a really really good point

[silver steeple]

Split by 3 would be cleanest

[flint sable]

3 for each makes a lot of sense

[amber field]

10 I think

[flint sable]

arboreal would still have 2 extra because of archae and micro I suppose but still

[flint sable]

9

[silver steeple]

It would end up with a final of 5 arboreal animals but whatever

[flint sable]

mau mispoke, it was confirmed in the recent devlog

[fiery crow]

we know that there’s gonna be two Amphibious vivarium animals so what could the third be

[plush nacelle]

But I guess it would also mean fuzzy triassic critters is no thrinaxodon

[flint sable]

i honestly couldnt tell you

[plush nacelle]

Because compy, simo and mono is already 3 for terrestial

[flint sable]

well hold on a minute

[plush nacelle]

So ya. Probably just 2 animals for amphibious

[flint sable]

are there any known aquatic triassic therapsids/cynodonts

[amber field]

Damn . So my waste my time thinking about how much they will add

[hollow furnace]

no iirc, it's actually something odd

[flint sable]

weird

theres Procynosuchus from the Permian and then a few probable aquatic mammaliformes ones from the jurassic, but nothing triassic?

really weird

[plush nacelle]

Would castorocauda be good at climbing?

[fiery crow]

probably not

[plush nacelle]

Concept art for enrichment features log above water

[flint sable]

maybe to that extent but aint no way that guy is clambering up trees

or anything insane like that

[plush nacelle]

Tiktaalik definitely aint using that

[fiery crow]

I mean… mudskippers exist

[hollow furnace]

that's what tiktaalik wants you to think

let your guard down

[steep tulip]

Are we sure it's for climbing and not just hiding

[plush nacelle]

Dunno

It looks weirdly specific

[shell sonnet]

You know, it's interesting how similar and different Reddit and Discord users are with regards to guessing about U16

[hollow flower]

If I remember correctly I voted Coeluru

Due to me thinking its more likely than Sharo, even if I prefer it far more

[feral cedar]

I feel like the fuzzy Triassic critter has good chances to be Thrinaxodon because of WWD

We already have WWD references like one of the Ankylosaurus skins

No doubt the real identity of the cynodont in the first episode would be a candidate for vivariums

It is an exquisitely preserved little critter

[hollow flower]

That is lovely

[feral cedar]

it's incredible by Triassic standards no doubt

[slim flare]

WWD did not have Thrinaxodon

It based the undescribed Chinle cynodont on a larger Thrinaxodon

[quick ore]

hold on, so the WWD cynodont was based off of a still as of yet undescribed specimen?

[shell sonnet]

I think it's based on Kraterokheirodon (undescribed back then, but something Colbert was looking over at the time before losing them), which is just a pair of teeth.

[shell sonnet]

Coleuru (or Weigelti, they're very close to being mostly the same thing) are still the best bets I think for the arboreal lizard.
-They're gliders, so they visually stand out the more than a basic climbing "lizard" thanks to movement and color
-They're from the Permain, and Mau said we were getting one

[plush nacelle]

I dont think this really matter

Walking with series has so many mistakes it easily can be just thrinaxodon

For hype and aura

[slim flare]

Nah, it’s described now as Kraterokheirodon, which isn’t thought to be a cynodont anymore.

[quick ore]

oh ok

[slim flare]

But Chinle does have a cynodont now

[quick ore]

hey wait question

[slim flare]

Kataigidodon

[quick ore]

why tf was Utahraptor in the Moreno Hill formation in WDRA?

[slim flare]

But it wasn’t

It’s only ever called a Cynodont

[quick ore]

wait hold on

it wasnt a utahraptor?

just a made up dromie for that episode?

weird I could have sworn they were called utahraptor in the episode

[shell sonnet]

they are

[plush nacelle]

Suskityrannus I guess

[shell sonnet]

except in the Spanish Spain dub

[slim flare]

The justification was faunal crossover. In 2021 a fairly large Dromaeosaurid was described from Wessex, Vectiraptor, which does seem to indicate they were partially right.

[quick ore]

no that was the tiny fish eating coelurosaur

[slim flare]

Oh wait

I thought you meant WWD

[quick ore]

nah i meant WDRA

the episode with Zuniceratops and Nothronychus

with the forest fire

[median relic]

I'm pretty sure the dromaeosaurs from that episode are made up lol

[steep tulip]

They are

Ig not too far fetched to imagine there were some, and tbh can't complain since for the time it was pretty great rep still

[quick ore]

well yeah they were the first feathered raptors in any paleodoc

[plush nacelle]

Alright

When zuniceratops was described they simply used to think suski was a dromeosaur

[steep tulip]

Ah lol

[median relic]

ohh right

[last thistle]

I would love if we got some “formation dlcs”

[amber field]

lol , you can publish paper with this

[hollow furnace]

Do you have the n of responses for each?

[shell sonnet]

Just a sec

[shell sonnet]

Does that work?

[hollow furnace]

Yep, thank you kindly

[left spear]

thats because reddit users don't know anything about the future of the game

[shell sonnet]

I mean the reveal that Carboniferous creatures are coming came from Reddit

[hollow furnace]

I find it funny how devs will reveal things between the two platforms at random

[left spear]

I mean yes things like that happen, but on average people on reddit are clueless about all the sneakpeeks mau gives us

[hollow furnace]

I remember how heated a debate there was here during the 2024 new years teaser before they randomly confirmed it was Bronto on the reddit

[left spear]

Oh lol i remember that

That was funny yeah

[tulip wharf]

Look at Ajnabia, it's so cute! tiny dwarf Hadrosaur from Morocco

[mint creek]

A tiny hadro would go hard

[median relic]

small hadrosaurs are underrated and I'd love to see one

and give it a watermelon skin

[reef relic]

A whole pack of dwarfism species would be cool.

Made another pack to kill time in the waiting room 😔

Dinosaur Park Formation DLC

**Albertosaurus w/ Gorgosaurus species variant - **

• *Carnivore diet, group size 2-8. Female-dominant hierarchy, high security rating. *
  Chasmosaurus w/ C. belli & C. sp species variants -
• *Herbivore diet, group size 4-8. Mixed-gender groups with a dominant female, medium security rating. *
  **Centrosaurus - **
• *Herbivore diet, group size 4-30. Mixed-gender groups without a dominant male, medium security rating. *
  **Corythosaurus - **
• *Herbivore/Frugivore diet, group size 3-12. Mixed gender groups with either dominant gender, low security rating. *
  **Euoplocephalus or Scolosaurus- **
• *Herbivore/Frugivore diet, group size 1-3. Mixed gender groups with either dominant gender, medium security rating. *
  **Latenivenatrix - **
• *All available diets, group size 2-6. Gender-segregated groups, medium security rating. *

Either** Palaeosaniwa, Stegoceras or Basilemys ** as a vivarium species. All species would have a preference for Temperate & Coastal environments.

Would include a variety of northern plants. Larger number of species included in pack due to the region-appropriate architectural theme, Rustic, being already present within the game.

[low bridge]

Hope for Embolotherium

Hope for HIM guys

Pray for it

[reef relic]

Based species

[last thistle]

THIS

[flint sable]

all of these sound good except corythosaurus imo

cory is pretty close to lambeo

[fresh ember]

I don't care, personally. It's still a good list.

[hollow furnace]

Could also go with Grypo as a different hadro option

[flint sable]

thats pretty good ye

grypo is nice

its like hadrosaurus but more well known

which is neato

also Stegoceras could probably be a full habitat, but all of these are pretty good picks in my opinion other than the one I already mentioned

great list

[shell sonnet]

A few things:
Albertosaurus isn't found in DP
Stegoceras is big enough to be a full habitat animal

[autumn plover]

I think Albertosaurus gets a pass as Gorgosaurus was, and those two are the same thing more or less.

[alpine thicket]

Albertosaurus should be a basegame animal.

[autumn plover]

Posterboy of prime alt material

[alpine thicket]

Not a DLC one.

[autumn plover]

I mean it’s not up to us really, I’d buy it if it’s available either way

It, Yuty and Guan are all needed though

[shell sonnet]

Considering that Albert should be the main genera, it's a better fit for a Horseshoe Canyon pack

[autumn plover]

I mean, I literally do not care in the slightest, they are the same thing. Only differences are formations and time.

Could maybe do something speculative with groups by making Gorgo solitary and Alberto social

[hollow furnace]

Big advocate for that

[reef relic]

Could see Cory being too similar to Lambeo, swapping it for Gryposaurus is a good idea since it covers the "roman-nose" hadrosaur we don't currently have representation of.

I elected to include Euoplo/Scolosaurus and not Edmontonia, since the latter is likely being added to the base game.

Edmontonia my beloved 😍

Honestly though, I'd hope the devs try filling out base-game formations before adding too many new ones. For example, Acrocanthosaurus is all alone. 😢

He could be joined by Tenontosaurus, Sauropelta, Deinonychus, etc.

[tulip umbra]

Imo species should not be added based on their formation

[ancient ibex]

It is an important gameplay element

[hollow furnace]

formations should be part of the consideration but shouldn't be the only or most important aspect

[quick ore]

exactly

[feral cedar]

This is the new gold standard for suggestions

[quick ore]

I don't think any one factor is the most important factor when deciding species either.

[fresh ember]

I know I've said it before, but I'd still like Corythosaurus to be added as a Lambeo alt. I know people are gonna be all "but the devs said they aren't adding new alts," but we don't know if that's still a thing, especially seeing as they straight up considered Columbian mammoth at one point.

[hollow furnace]

would certainly be all for getting additional alts for some of the existing animals

[steep tulip]

Mhm
Columbian mammoth has to come as its own thing since some of the mammoths hairs are part of the model

[alpine thicket]

Yeah considering Columbian Mammoth doesn't mean considering new alts.

Though new alts would be neat.

[feral cedar]

I'm in the mood to just throw out a wall of suggestions I think could be cool for PK

[ancient crystal]

PK should do a prehistoric planet dlc(s)

[tulip wharf]

I'm down to hear your suggestions

[ancient crystal]

they do a multitude of species in game like hank etc

[hollow furnace]

I don't think a prehistoric planet DLC is a good idea (for multiple reasons) but there's quite a few good animals in the show I expect/want to get

[hollow furnace]

We already have hank in game though

[ancient crystal]

fair, i think the main think I want is PP skins in game

[steep tulip]

Don't think it's illegal, but it definitely wouldn't look too good just taking stuff from php

[reef relic]

You'd probably have to wait for modding to get those. Unfortunately.

[hollow furnace]

^^

[ancient crystal]

I don't know how realistic it is for them to try to aquire the license tho

[ancient crystal]

i didn't mean to sat they'd be taking the designs

[hollow furnace]

not

[reef relic]

CreativeBeast Studios has been pretty eager for design crossovers with Path of Titans modded stuff. There's a good chance they'd be down to collaborate with Prehistoric Kingdom

[ancient crystal]

that'd be cool

[cosmic cosmos]

i would kill for their tarbosaurus skin

[ancient crystal]

absolutely, amd I part of the appeal for me would be the accurate rigs bcuz there's been a mod for pp rex in jwe2 but it walks wrong

call me weird but I like watching chunky rex walk around

[quick ore]

incredibly unrealistic

Prehistoric Planet hasn't even licensed its designs for things like merch or toys

and with PK being indie I doubt that even if PhP was willing to have its designs shared that Blue Meridian would be able to afford them

[ancient crystal]

sad but true

they're so similar

[quick ore]

also imo I think it is for the best that said skins don't take up dev time and that we are able to have different reconstructions of various species from different form of media

It makes PK as a work of paleoart stand out more

[steep tulip]

Fax

[quick ore]

like I think it is good actually that we move away from making every reconstruction of a particular species a copy of a well known piece of paleoart/paleomedia

being aware of something becoming a paleomeme

[cosmic cosmos]

i just want the black and gold colours, idc if the model is the same 🙏

[hollow furnace]

luckily there'll be a colour editor in update 19 anyways

[alpine thicket]

PK has multiple skins, they can do a reference with one if they want to then do original stuff for all the rest, we don't need to ask them to spend time doing anything more than that.

[tulip umbra]

I doubt apple is gonna license their big budget dino documentary designs to some indie dev studio at that

[quick ore]

It'd be more likely to see something from PhP get put in fortnite than it'd be to see it in PK

[median relic]

I hate that you're right

[flint sable]

Thylacinus/Ngamalacinus

Reasons for Inclusion

Thylacinus is an iconic species of not only Australia, but also of Recently Extinct species, and as a result would be perfect representation for a Recently Extinct Pack.

You may be asking, "Well, we know what it looked like, so how would skins work? This my freinds, is where alternative species would come in.

My preposition to solve the skin problem would be an additional alternative species or an alternative species and alternative genus for Thylacinus cynocephalus.

My main sugguestion for an alternative species for Thylacinus cynocephalus would be Thylacinus potens, the largest member of Thylacinus that lived during the Late Miocene. This species would not only show representation to Australia's more distant past, but would also bring more representatives from that time period as a whole.

The third skin could be one of two things: An additional skin for T. potens, or another Thylacinid species. My personal reccomendation for another Thylacinid species would be Ngamalacinus, for a few reasons. One, it is one of the most basal thylacinids in the fossil record, dating as far back as the Oligocene, again giving more representation to a currently underrepresented time period. The second reason is that one of the species of Ngamalacinus is actually named after Nigel Marvin, N. nigelmarveni, named just last year. However, I think pretty much any other Thylacinid species would work, like another member of Thylacinus proper or perhaps Nimbacinus.

In conclusion:

Thylacinus should be added due to it being an icon of not only Australia, but also recently extinct species, and would be perfect for a Recently Extinct Pack. In addition, it should have either an alternative species with 2 skins, being T, potens, or 2 alternative species, one being T. potens and another being another Thylacinid, preferably Ngamalacinus nigelmarveni.

I have posted this here already technically, but wanna know what yall think

[median relic]

I like it

hadn't thought of doing multiple species

[flint sable]

ye

solves the issue for a surprising ammount of RE species

a surprising ammount of them have alts, the only real example is bluebuck

that doesnt have an obvious one

I did make a smaller list

this was based on the uhhhh

old RE fund thing that doesnt matter

Thylacinus: T. cynocephalus (one skin) and T. potens (2 skins or another thyla species, hopefully Ngmalacinus)

Dodo: 1 skin based on Ustad Mansur Painting (likely life appearance), 1 based on Edward's Dodo (color only), and another pop culture reference skin (or just something completely new, possibly based on living ground pigeons like Nicobar and Victoria Crown)

Moa: 3 genera/species, Giant Moa, Upland Moa, and Bush Moa. Honestly just the Upland and Giant Moa for sure, the last one can be whatever.

Bos: Bos priscus, Bos latifrons, and Bos primigenius OR have Aurochs types (African, Eurasian, and Indian) (aurochs alt system more likely and the better option in my opinion)

Equus: Two skins for E. ferrus ferrus, ideally one a lighter brown and one a darker brown, and one for E. quagga quagga

Passenger Pigeon: Arboreal Vivarium

Carolina Parrakeet: Arboreal Vivarium

Great Auk: Summer and Winter plumage, and another member of the genus (probably Pinguinus alfrednewtonis if any)

Duisycyon: Warrah and D. avus, 1 skin for Warrah 2 for avus

**Malagasy Pygmy Hippos: **The 3 species that existed all as alts, similar to Camarasaurus

I replaced Stellers Sea Cow and Haast's Eagle because their mechanics arent worked in yet, and Bluebuck was replaced because it would have literally no other skins potential IMO and would be stuck with 1 skin

thoughts on these?

basically the post above about thylacinus specifically was just a deep dive

thoughts on both of these/any additions/comments?

[median relic]

I'm hesitant to call the hippos recently extinct

I guess it's fine

[flint sable]

how so

[median relic]

but then by that logic we're missing so many other cool madagascar fauna

if any primates could be in the game it's lemurs

[flint sable]

we know at the very least H. laloumena survived into the past 400 years or so, with possible eyewitness accounts as late as the 1970s

not justifiable in any way but still very intrigueing nontheless

[median relic]

oh wtf???

[flint sable]

yeah

[median relic]

1970s wtf????????

[flint sable]

in recent decades theres been a lot of recent evidence that malagasy fauna survived way way longer than originally thought, quite a lot of them into colonial european times

[median relic]

even in just the last 400 years is insane but 1970s would be mind boggling lol

[median relic]

yea

when were megaladapis and archaeoindris dead?

[flint sable]

as an example, apparently a Voay skin, skull, and skeleton was collected in the late 1800s and is still just sitting in a basement in a french museum apparently

at least as far as we know

[median relic]

also isn't there a legend there attributed to sightings of pachylemur or something

[flint sable]

very old publication to tell for certain but still

[median relic]

sheesh

[flint sable]

500-600 years ago

for megaladapis

[median relic]

wtf

these lived so recently 🥀 we were this close

[flint sable]

archaeoindris was a lot longer ago

[flint sable]

pachylemur lowk has a chance of still being alive

along with the giant fossa I would say those two have the most evidence for it

theres been like at least 10 seperate eyewitness accounts/testimonies within the past hundred years or so iirc, most from native madagascar people who know the differences between lemurs very well

in addition to the researchers making sure to avoid biases whilst recording the data

I would say giant fossa has more of a chance but honestly it would not surprise me if pachylemur is still alive

[median relic]

ehh

I would think pachylemur is more likely, despite us possibly apparently having evidence the giant fossa is still out there?

[tulip umbra]

Would u say there is something as too recent extinct for pk?

[median relic]

no

[tulip umbra]

Like the Baiji

[median relic]

you can never be too recent imo

I'd love the baiji

[flint sable]

heres a figure on a recent ish paper on the subject

[flint sable]

vaquita in PK when

[tulip umbra]

Idk

[median relic]

heck, if vaquitas DID go extinct before the last dlc (obviously I wish they wouldn't but if they did) I would enjoy them in game

[tulip umbra]

Part of me does kinda feel like there needs to be some feel of prehistoric

[median relic]

I like the more modern animals too

[tulip umbra]

Yeah like panthera species look exactly like a lion though i love them

[flint sable]

honestly that would just make me depressed more than anything

[tulip umbra]

But things like Baiji feel too recent

[median relic]

afaik technically steppe lions are about as prehistoric as vaquitas might be
I think african lions actually evolved before steppe lions?

[flint sable]

whats a steppe lion

[median relic]

so I think the whole "prehistoric" thing is just arbitrary

[median relic]

cave lion

[flint sable]

ah

arent vaquitas a pretty recent speciation

[median relic]

idk actually

but I'm just saying that something "not being prehistoric enough" is silly

[flint sable]

idk not sure

true

[median relic]

I think great white sharks evolved some time in the miocene right

[flint sable]

idk

[median relic]

so they're technically older than woolly mammoths

[flint sable]

ye

uhhhh

[median relic]

nvm gws are from early pliocene it seems (but it still applies)

[flint sable]

anyway back to the malagasy megafauna

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[median relic]

elephant bird is an obvious choice

[flint sable]

wonder what would happen if pachylemur would be rediscovered

[flint sable]

iirc it would be the largest living lemur now

so thats something

[flint sable]

indeed

also seems elephant birds were some of the ones to go extinct the quickest after human arrival

at least after signifigant colonization

[median relic]

noticing that all the large fauna are obviously the ones going extinct sooner
but it makes me skeptical they'd still be alive

[flint sable]

makes sense, very large eggs are very vulnerable

[flint sable]

true

[median relic]

that makes sense

[flint sable]

i mean pachylemur isnt absolutely a monster compared to some of the other extinct lemurs

it was large but not like

absurdly so

[median relic]

should elephant birds get alts? maximus isn't the only species in aepyornis

[median relic]

I guess so yeah

[flint sable]

only about 30 lbs at max

[flint sable]

if anything id go with mullerornis

even then I think A. maximus can stand on its own tbh

unlike moas which I honestly think no alts would be a huge disservice to the clade

[median relic]

what are some other islands we can pull cool RE stuff from

laughing owl?

[quick ore]

I wonder if the information is being withheld to protect them from an influx of poaching were said information to get made public

[flint sable]

actually thats an interesting point

for both pachylemur and giant fossas

madagascar as a country isnt exactly very politically stable atm either iirc so that could be a factor

[hollow furnace]

extremely unlikely that Madagascar has a secret government conspiracy to protect giant lemurs

[flint sable]

I was thinking moresoe like

scientific papers and the such

and announcing the rediscovery

rather than the government directly stepping in

[hollow furnace]

Ig technically possible

but the largest threats facing malagasy wildlife is by far due to habitat loss, which any undescribed animals would still be vulnerable too, and present both a larger threat then poaching, and would probably generate more conservation benefit for both them and other animals in their environment then the benefits of preventing poaching by keeping them secret

[flint sable]

true

[quick ore]

not lead by the government, more like what mistercdp said

Like imagine if you are a scientist studying malagasy mammals and you get camera trap photos of a giant fossa. What is more likely: that you rush to publish this information ASAP, or that you first talk to other conservationists in Madagascar to devise a plan on how to release this information to the public without potentially putting a target on the back of a newly rediscovered, critically endangered species?

[hollow furnace]

I mean, I guess that's probably a concern, but probably a minor one in the larger laundry list of what you'd do if you're being a good scientist, and trying to maximize the impact from a wider conservation standpoint

Like, sure maybe a couple weirdos might fly out to hunt the slightly larger black version of the funny catdog for the Madagascar movie, but if the last forest they're found in is destroyed for hardwood they're going to end up just as dead

[quick ore]

I would understand it though, this is basically an unheard of scenario. No previously thought to be extinct animal with as much gravitas as the giant fossa has been rediscovered yet. It would almost be at the same level as rediscovering the thylacine in papua.

they also might be doing extra care to make sure that what they are seeing is in fact a giant fossa

[ancient crystal]

I don't think the general public knows what a fossa is

that's not to say they wouldn't get poached

[hollow furnace]

that would be significantly more likely imo

As well as potentially coordinating media around it to actually draw attention and communicate its significance

[median relic]

if this is all really happening right now this will be insane

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1237502088691585124/1439013624872960041/deltarune-prophecy.gif

[quick ore]

LMAO where did u get that gif?

[quick ore]

you read darren's blogpost right

[median relic]

yes that's why I'm saying it

[median relic]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-invader-zim-i-made-it-myself-gif-5102420

[quick ore]

yayyyy im keeping it

[limber needle]

Except suminia 👀 (I'm on the copium again)

[limber needle]

Monke

[cinder python]

I wonder how crazy people can make exhibit for Paradoryphoribius

[shell sonnet]

Probably can't

[limber needle]

the U16 semi aquatic mammal could be Praepusa boeska, a type of small seal from Neogene Europe related to ringed and baikal seals

before y'all go saying "you cant put a seal in a vivarium!", they're roughly the same size as tiktaalik

[fiery crow]

I personally wanna see Praepusa. so cute.

[modern totem]

I want Tyrannasorus rex as vivarium species

[limber needle]

tiny ass

like they guy who wanted mononychus all over again

[modern totem]

It is supposed to be a joke

[limber needle]

aw man

btw if we get suminia i hope it looks like this, his ass dont even have spots im crine😭😭😭😭😭😭

spotted cuscus

[tulip umbra]

I think more so that there will be no salt water vivaria yet

[shell sonnet]

I agree

[limber needle]

one of praepusa's closest living relatives is freshwater so im sure they'll have some tolerance for freshwater

i dont think pinnipeds care that much about salinity anyway

[steep tulip]

I still feel like its too swamp like

[limber needle]

i thought the water was editable to me a more 'lake-y' blue

[desert flame]

I think the semi-aquatic mammal is most likely the predicted Castrocauda or Didelphodon.

[limber needle]

im still on the copium

plus i love seals

forgive me

[inner wedge]

not sialomorpha?

[desert flame]

yeah
of course,there is also a considerable possibility
that it is a Copium.the truth will be revealed when the Update 16 trailer is released.

[frosty torrent]

Kelenken

[desert flame]

Rumor has it that Kelenken may be added in Update 19.

[frosty torrent]

[burnt gate]

looks nice

[burnt gate]

PLEASE

PLEASE

[desert flame]

But I still want to see the addition of the terror bird.
for example Gastornis.

[burnt gate]

i feel like we need atleast ONE terrorbird

[desert flame]

The Kelenken rumors are in the roadmap posted on Discord.
Like Update 16, some of the content is different, but most of it is progressing along the same lines.

[burnt gate]

so utah raptor is likely also then?

[hollow furnace]

Utahraptor is confirmed

[burnt gate]

:>

[burnt gate]

are there any other dromeasaurids thats going to be added

[quick ore]

I love Kelenken but I really hope it won't be the only phorusrhacid in game

[desert flame]

Deinonychus was planned in the past, but we don't know for sure now.
However, it may be resurrected after EA. Also, if the funky dinosaur added in Update 16 is amphibious, it might be Halskaraptor.

[quick ore]

I think Phorusrhacos itself would be really cool

[quick ore]

maybe even Psilopterus, which is large enough to still be an exhibit animal

[autumn plover]

I believe at one point the devs stated that Utahraptor was a replacement for Deinonychus, in the same vein that Muttaburrasaurus kind of replaced Teno and Scelido replaced Sauropelta. But then theres some screenshot someone posted where the devs said nothing is truly scrapped, just reshuffled, so 🤷

[hollow furnace]

Not quite the same

Utahraptor replaced Deinon in the original 50 species EA launch roster, with the stated intent that Deinon would be added back later

And that roster has gone out the window anyways

[outer moth]

Everything's been reshuffled

[frosty torrent]

I think glossotherium is also a good addition

[shell sonnet]

Not a terror bird

[quick ore]

yeah not even remotely related to them lol

[shell sonnet]

Still a good animal to add

[fiery crow]

it should be noted that this was last year or so and things might have changed since then
HOWEVER
I’m crossing my fingers for Kelenken

[steep tulip]

Those who nose

||I don't||

[tulip umbra]

In terms of big flightless birds

Kelenken, Titanis, Phorusracos and Psilopterus
Moas (Dinornis)
Elephant bird (Aepyornis)
Gastornis
Dromornis
Giant ostrich (Pachystruthio)

[steep tulip]

They call pachystruthio 007
0 actual relevance
0 relations to ostriches
7 partial femurs it's known for

[lean hound]

Tiktaalik isn't really as active as a seal though

[left spear]

Gastornis is neither a terror bird nor carnivorous

[shell sonnet]

I could imagine a proto-Pinnipedimorph making it but I think that's incredibly unlikely

[coarse inlet]

I mean the vivariums are pretty big

[tulip umbra]

Im pretty sure there is a pelvis belonging to one of its species. Still not much though 😭

[quick ore]

replace Pachystruthio with the other moa genera and Genyornis

omg and Dodos how tf did you forget them

oh wait sorry

u said big flightless birds my b

but some other moa genera are quite large still

[tulip umbra]

I intended to just include the big ones that fill the same niche from a gamers point of view

[quick ore]

gotcha i see that now

I wonder if Mullerornis could be an alt for Aepyornis

[tulip umbra]

Whats that flightless bird from the mesozoic? I think from hateg?

[shell sonnet]

You mean T-Rex

[hollow furnace]

Gargantuavis

[tulip umbra]

Yes

[quick ore]

I don't think Garganutavis has enough material to make for a good choice

we don't even have its head

[flint sable]

technically gargantuavis is avialae indet but basically a bird yeah

also what ivy said

[flint sable]

the definition of bird is very subjective, i personally use pygostylia as its a nice middle ground, but thats a scientific discussion not a species sugguestion one

[tulip umbra]

From a basic paleonerds pov i think birds mostly as no clawed wings and no teeth