Community Species Suggestions

[limber needle]

the animal got renamed

[faint oak]

of course there are also a ton of other cool tyrannosaurs and whatnot but nano does enough to justify itself in the conversation imo

and also drypto alt for it would be goated

and prolly very doable since it would just need to be more bulky with shorter legs which the ontogeny system can do

Nano is a really really really good dlc critter imo

its the perfect name to really draw in the enthusiast audience that would be the ones purchasing hypothetical dlcs

[limber needle]

fym they named a little ass coelophysid "gojirasaurus"

big dawg yutrannus is right there

[faint oak]

yuty can play when they actually describe the fossils

[limber needle]

nanotyrannus is the little brother of dryptosaurus that gets all the attention

[faint oak]

nanotyrannus was dead in a ditch for 30 years lol

and we dunno if its actually a dryptosaur, we just know they had some stuff in common

either way drypto could work as an alt just shape wise

and i love drypto

was pulling for em before the nano revival

ik it feels weird to want nano in game after all these decades of cultural inertia but mannnnn

its such a cool animal

fills a niche that would be pretty empty otherwise in game as a small starter theropod

and has great name recognition

[shell sonnet]

I would not call Nano nor Drypto small

[faint oak]

for a theropod its small

[limber needle]

i mean id rather have an entirely different animal for a small-medium theropod

[left spear]

For a true Starter tyrannosauroid we would need Moros

But uh

Yeah

Leg

[limber needle]

a noasaurid would be sick

[faint oak]

for sure but like

[hollow furnace]

Noasaurs are an entirely different roster niche

[shell sonnet]

No, it's medium even for a theropod

[hollow furnace]

But also yes please

gimme a Limusaurus+Elaphrosaurus

[faint oak]

nano is something that brings eyes along with it

[left spear]

Masiaka for the Starter rotation please 🙏

[faint oak]

for a large theropod family* its small

[limber needle]

abelisaurid or proceratosaurid then

hell even a dromeasaur

[faint oak]

at the end of the day no other small theropod would get as much attention as Nanotyrannus for a DLC or something besides like a raptor

especially for the paleo-inclined audience that would be most likely to be drawn in to buy dlcs

its the same reason why Giga would be a very good dlc animal even though we already have large carcharodontosaurs

the people like giga

and i highly doubt nano will be a temporary thing considering it was still being talked about after being left for dead and actively being argued against for like 30 years

[hollow furnace]

Especially considering its one of the best preserved large dinosaurs of all time and we're likely to get several papers on just how well preserved and the cool stuff that tells us over the upcoming years

[faint oak]

^^

[hollow furnace]

The impact on the "dinosaurs have feathers?" debate alone is probably going to cement it as a huge deal

[faint oak]

i do hope it comes as a dlc specifically though for just those reasons

like i hope if it ever comes to pk its after the skin gets described

[shell sonnet]

Nano, for what it's worth, benefits from being close to Rex. That alone gives it way more name power than it would have been if the debates was about whether it was a young Tarbo.

[hollow furnace]

nanotyrannus accurate colouration

[steep tulip]

They act like 2 legends can't coexist...

[faint oak]

https://tenor.com/view/tobias-funke-david-cross-blue-myself-arrested-development-face-palm-gif-3567424

soon!

[limber needle]

i think we should probably stop arguing about dryptosaurids and go back to, you know, suggesting species

[hollow furnace]

actually the blue pigment didn't evolve yet in the dinosaurus

[steep tulip]

Greentyrannus

[steep tulip]

You are right

[faint oak]

i am suggesting the nanotyrannus 🙂

[steep tulip]

Devs add placodus please

[faint oak]

https://tenor.com/view/marge-i-just-think-theyre-neat-the-simpsons-neat-potato-gif-8549864

[limber needle]

i understand that but it sparked a massive argumant

[faint oak]

ive seen worse here lmao

downright civil

we take those

hell creek in general has a bunch of neat critters

[abstract compass]

i do like dryptosaurus

[faint oak]

always liked drypto

i have the BOTM one on my shelf lol

and the only way its ever getting in is by getting smuggled in with nano

therefore i must stan nano even harder

🙏

[limber needle]

mfs when you suggets an animal that dosent have every individual peice of integument preserved in mint condition:

https://tenor.com/view/angry-bird-злая-птица-gif-11035121084204696939

[abstract compass]

Lythronax too. Unironically Lythro might have a large chance to be added on the back of being a original addition.

[faint oak]

lythro would be really fun

[limber needle]

so would yuty

[faint oak]

honestly could just get away with a tyrannosaur pack tbh lol

yuty is epic

[limber needle]

flesh out the chinese taxa

[faint oak]

considering its history with the game i strongly suspect it will return

its a fan favourite

[limber needle]

along with some other yixian formation critters

[hollow furnace]

Yuty's functionally confirmed, it isn't officially but like

come on

they're gonna add Yutyrannus

[abstract compass]

theres a fair list of dinosaurs that have a history with the game

[faint oak]

indeed

[abstract compass]

i hope for the yang

[faint oak]

real

yang gang..... we must persevere.............

[limber needle]

we need more paleozoics

anteosaurus would be epic

[hollow furnace]

Spriginna will return

I believe it in my heart

[limber needle]

rex prototype

[feral cedar]

Ngl I firmly believe Nanotyrannus is a dryptosaurid but Napoli named and listed it as a nanotyrannid because that’s a family with his name on it

[abstract compass]

this is lore i dont know lmao

[hollow furnace]

the mega species list had like, 5 ediacaran animals

[faint oak]

the dryptosaur hypothesis is only one potentiallity and needs more study to be sure

according to the authors themselves

[hollow furnace]

Charnia masoni; Charnwood Frond
Swartpuntia germsi; Namibian Frond
Spriggina floundersi; Glaessner’s Armoured Worm
Dickinsonia costata; Sprigg’s Jelly Frond

From the old common names forum post (last record of the mega list)

[faint oak]

LOL

[feral cedar]

the author benefits from saying this cause then he names his own family

wait

[faint oak]

i would love sessile inverts as sort of special modular pieces that guests can observe like animals

[hollow furnace]

It's classified as its own thing because in 7 of the 8 analyses it was its own thing

Dryptosaurid Nanotyrannus was one weird result they brought up because it was weird and had broader implications, the authours don't even think its correct

[faint oak]

?? i really dont think he cares lmao "nanotyrannidae" isnt exactly a unique memorable "i named that" sort of thing

"nyehaha i get to add three letters to the genera name hehehehehehehe"

[steep tulip]

As long as nano remains outside tyrannosauridae, the agenda still going strong

[left spear]

Yeah, i suggest both Nanotyrannus species + Drypto alt

[feral cedar]

how does this even work anyway

Is it like a computer program

[hollow furnace]

Yes

You have a bunch of different characters that you run a complex math program to optimize the number of changes between characters. Depending on different parameters there usually ends up being multiple possible trees that reflect different possible relationships that result in the same or similar numbers of character transitions

[feral cedar]

I see

[shell sonnet]

They're using a mixture Bayesian classifiers, and other unsupervised statistical classification methods and with a group of variables based on absence and presence (thing there's like 400 of them) for the various specimen.

The paper isn't free but data is there

No wait, the NLME's were for the age calculation.

[feral cedar]

I'm going to be irritatingly pedantic here and say that the last time I saw a cladistic chart made by Napoli it recovered Deinonychus and Balaur nested within velociraptorines

That doesn't mean Nanotyrannus is definitively a dryptosaurid, but his charts have been... interesting before

[hollow furnace]

wow, almost like that's what we were just saying that they're showing it because its a weird result that raises interesting possibilities, and not them proposing it because "that's a family with his name on it"

[ancient ibex]

Has been bouncing around a while; people should REALLY stop seeing Unenlagians as Dromaeosaurs and just see them as yet another paravian group

[shell sonnet]

The "Deinonychus as Velociraptorine" was the only matrix that got published with the paper, though
https://bioone.org/journals/american-museum-novitates/volume-2021/issue-3982/3982.1/A-New-Dromaeosaurid-Dinosauria-Coelurosauria-from-Khulsan-Central-Mongolia/10.1206/3982.1.full

[ancient ibex]

Deinonychus is unstable

I, honestly, wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if the Late Cretaceous Mongolian Velociraptorines and North American Dromaeosaurines (+ Saurornitholestines) end up forming a clade, with Deinonychus basal to it, and Utahraptor ourside of Eudromaeosauria proper

Anyway, Caudipteryx is perfect for vivaria, gimme

[shell sonnet]

Which species though?

Okay the type

[ancient ibex]

Not palmapenis because we, unlike O'Connor, aren't 5 years old lol

[hollow furnace]

caudi pheasant would be an excellent vivarium pick

[shell sonnet]

What?

[ancient ibex]

NVM, mixed it up with Jeholornis (and typing it with Jinfengopteryx and Jeholopterus), bear with me I just got 2 vaccines and oof

[last thistle]

Would love anzu

[coarse inlet]

Eudromaeosaur taxonomy is extremely unstable this says nothing about Napoli

These are results that have been seen before from other analyses

[faint oak]

Balaur is probably a dromaeosaur, the bird stuff was apparently based off of some broken bits

Speaking of

Balaur is very cool and I’d like it!

Especially as a dromaeosaur

[outer moth]

I'd like more Balaur material first

Don't wanna see ppl complaining about it bein inaccurate after it gets added to PK

[steep tulip]

balaur aint that bad tbh

as a fossil I mean

[outer moth]

This ain't a titanosaur or theropod situation where we know it doesn't look too different from it's relatives

[faint oak]

Yeah it’s pretty good

Plus you could totally mask the head shape with feathers if you really want to play it safe

[steep tulip]

just missing the skull unfortunately, but if they can sort out to what group it belong to, I dont think its too big of problem

[faint oak]

Out of most raptors Balaur is one of the more interesting ones

[steep tulip]

thats a pretty good idea

[faint oak]

https://tenor.com/view/marge-i-just-think-theyre-neat-the-simpsons-neat-potato-gif-8549864

[outer moth]

I kinda think they could make Balaur more birdlike

[faint oak]

Velociraptorine Balaur was also recovered in a second analysis

And given dr Napoli’s experience with dromaeosaurs I trust his opinion that it’s most likely dromaeosaurid in nature

[outer moth]

What's it's size?

I keep seeing David Peters

[outer moth]

Looks a lil small

[shell sonnet]

Or better yet, go with a different Eudromaeosaur that has name power, scientific importance, fills in both a niche and a formation in need of love

[steep tulip]

as if balaur stealing deino's spot or something

[outer moth]

Deinon's a given

[shell sonnet]

After what Mau has said, I would not say that with confidence

[hollow furnace]

Deinon deinon deinon

I need the dromeosaur wolverine

[ancient ibex]

The Turner matrix wasn't made by Napoli.

I believe it was Turner?

Lemme check, but it was one of the coauthors on both the AMNH Mongolian dromies description and the Balaur osteology

But it is less "second analysis" and more "this matrix keeps giving this result"

Just like every single use of Currie's Tyrannosaur matrix has non-tyrannosaurid aliorams and Teratophoneins closer to Tyrannosaurins than Daspletosaurins

Those aren't "multiple studies finding that result", but more like "we added more data to this framework and this was churned out"

Also why the hell is Napoli the one worker to be refered to as doctor lol

[hollow furnace]

he's the one with the doctor ball, they all take turns passing it between one another

[ancient ibex]

Yup, Turner matrix

He was on the Balaur osteology of 2013, and in both Kuru and Shri's descriptions, first author on Shri's

(lol at how the themed binomials got wrecked by Shri rapax being the more interesting animal bwahaha)

[shell sonnet]

Call me unscientific but I think I'll trust the matrix that has V-raptor closer to Linheraptor than to Deinonychus

[median relic]

oh what??

[quick ore]

Which Troodontid do y'all think would be the best for the game? imo I feel like the devs will want to play things safe and not use Troodon itself for, well, hopefully obvious reasons

[hollow furnace]

Just do Troodon who cares what its called

[abstract compass]

stenonychosaurus / Latenivenatrix

Lateni just because u can cheese it into being a boreal raptor equivalent. adding some more flavor to the biome.

[steep tulip]

I hate troodon, they should add placodus instead

[abstract compass]

wasnt the question tho was it

[steep tulip]

idc doesnt fit my agenda

[shell sonnet]

Just go with Stenony and Saurornithoides, you get with something on both sides of the Pacific

[abstract compass]

https://tenor.com/view/aight-bet-aight-bet-cat-gif-25610485

[quick ore]

isn't Steno also disputed? I think Laten and Saurornithoides would be a better pair

[abstract compass]

either way the result would be the same. i just want the oddities of troodontids in some form of media.

[hollow furnace]

All of them (Troodon, Stenon, Laten) are disputed

[abstract compass]

literally the owl of the mesozoic.

also Fred did this piece a long time ago and i still like it

[brave pier]

Laten might be Steno

[steep tulip]

we should go safe and hjust add saurornithoides

I wonder

[abstract compass]

thought troodontids didnt fit your agenda

[steep tulip]

why is stenon disputed, its holotype isnt that terrible

[steep tulip]

never said it was a stable agenda

[hollow furnace]

It is that terrible

zero diagnostic characters

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/i-show-speed-stupid-gif-12822049994234271730

[shell sonnet]

Not quite in the same way though

[last thistle]

WHYYYY WERE ITS HANDS LIKE THAT

AND WHY THE TWO SICKLE CLAWS

[hollow furnace]

covergent evolution with T rex

[alpine thicket]

balaur is actually the male t rex
the ones we have are the females

[steep tulip]

how debatable is it
cant find any pics of the holotype, but it has hand, foot and caudal material
is there really nothing there at all

like zilch

[hollow furnace]

The characters of the hand, foot, and caudal material all overlap with other troodontids

So basically you can't say if another hand, foot, or cauda comes from Stenonychosaurus or a different troodontid

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/mmm-good-smoke-cigarette-smoking-gif-15715252

its over
unless they dismiss the proposal and they all go to taxonomy limbo

[coarse inlet]

it's a bit from when he was the only Skeleton Crew member with a phd

[hollow furnace]

Add Talos and Saurornthioides because the rest of yall can't behave

[steep tulip]

Wanted to read the paper to understand a bit more about all of this, I got to the third page and I almost fell asleep
Apparently laten separate from stenon too and the troodon proposed neotype

Not for me

[faint oak]

He’s expressed his opinion elsewhere on Cau’s analysis of Balaur

And afaik earlier this year a different matrix recovered velociraptorine balaur

AFAIK having examined Balaur in person (which the bird team did not do) he noted that a chunk of the features that were coded for the bird result were based on features that were broken, not reflective of the true anatomy

I can dig for direct quotes and whatever but given it keeps showing up as dromaeosaurid in nature and there seem to be flaws in the methodologies that recovered it as a bird I’m inclined to lean towards it being a dromaeosaur of some sort

[ancient ibex]

Highly doubt it anyway; unenlagian affinities wouldn't be as weird, but I highly doubt Balaur to be nested within Mongolian velociraptorines, and I SPECIALLY doubt Deinonychus (or Yurgovuchia for that matter) to be part of an Adasaurus+Velociraptor clade

[faint oak]

Nobody is sure of that specifically of course

But paleobiogeography is something we probably should not be putting very much stock at all in unless it’s very very clear

And Asian animals being found in Europe is not exactly unprecedented

At the very least though it seems that Balaur is a dromaeosaur of some sort which is the main point

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, we shouldn't be erecting clades based on biogeography like Longrich is doing

On the other hand, discarding the field is dumb as fuck

[faint oak]

People tend to, shall we say… overindulge based on the data we have

Besides like “we don’t find tyrannosaurus on this continent ever” and shit like that

[ancient ibex]

Stuff can be readily falsified

Half of the abelisaurs were understood as tyrannosaurs in the 80s

[faint oak]

But like “this clade originated here!” We don’t have NEARLY enough data to say that for sure we have like 5 critters chill lol

“There’s no way X can be here!” Yes there is, it walked there during the 99.9% or whatever amount of time we will never see lol

[ancient ibex]

Ah, antiscience, how fun

[faint oak]

It’s not anti-science lmao it’s just being aware of what can actually be rigorously tested with the paltry data we have

[ancient ibex]

"With the data we have this is the working hypothesis"

Can be falsified with a finding that contradicts it

S'all approximations in every field, and we change hypotheses with evolving data

But paleopessimism won't really be helpful

[faint oak]

People doing science without the awareness of how utterly incomplete the terrestrial fossil record is is how we get Nanotyrannus stuck inside T. rex for 30 years

“Where are the baby T. rexes?? We must have found them by now! These must be them!” Nope turns out you just didn’t find the babies yet

[faint oak]

At some point though a lot of it is just idle speculation with very little foundation

It’s like anagenesis too

You cannot prove that this thing directly evolved into another thing without cladogenesis

Yet the amount of breath wasted into it is absurd

With a sample of like 10 animals

And considering again that a wholeass tyrannosaur was lodged into T. rex for 30 years means that there are much more pressing matters for the field at the moment….

Like making sure this mistake wasn’t made elsewhere (it was)

[ancient ibex]

The thing is, with population dynamics the distinction is meaningless; people just fixate on cladograms for that

[faint oak]

Whatever the case is it simply cannot be proven that a population is ancestral when you have so few specimens

[ancient ibex]

How would you disprove Triceratops horridus not being ancestral to Triceratops prorsus

[faint oak]

Unless you have an animal with like, no unique traits but doesn’t have all the traits of its descendants or something

[faint oak]

The fact that triceratops is an utter mess atm lol

Ceratopsians in general

[ancient ibex]

It is a working hypothesis with the data we have, at the end of the day

[faint oak]

“Ah yes base the whole phylogeny on the parietals” doom

[faint oak]

And the data we have is much weaker than many would like to admit

But anyways

This is very science chat

[ancient ibex]

Ceratopsians have the entire deal of fixating on hyperplastic regions for their taxonomy

Oh yeah

And I'm running a fever and should sleep

[faint oak]

Me too to the sleep part lmao

Get well soon!

[ancient ibex]

S'all for vaccination ✊

But yeah, Pentaceratops for PK (and JWE3 lol)

[faint oak]

True!!

[faint oak]

Ay at least it’s a fever for a good cause lmao

[shell sonnet]

Chasmo first

Two species for the price of one

Fill out Dinosaur Park

[faint oak]

Daniel

the cooler Daniel

Could be nice as an alt though idk

[shell sonnet]

Someone is blinded by the beauty of C. belli

Those tiny horns are a world of wonder

[harsh oxide]

If we didn't bring it up before, a cool mammal addition could be Sinomegaceros pachyosteus or Praemegaceros

We already have Megaloceros, so you could just edit the model and add their antlers 🤷🏾‍♂️

[slim flare]

Stag-moose for days

[outer crater]

like para and lambeo

[median relic]

you get one shot at a ctenochasmatoid
who will you take??

[faint oak]

Gotta be daustro

But the new guy is much smaller so it could maybe be a Vivi

Also Mogano is a cteno?

Wack

What a stupid beast I love him

Love its skull

He has been stretched in photoshop 🙏

[hollow furnace]

the Pteradon

[median relic]

I mean I thought daustro was small already

[hollow furnace]

new guy is really tiny

[median relic]

didn't realize bakiribu was even smaller lol

[hollow furnace]

Pocket-sized

[median relic]

yes but afaik it doesn't have the weird filter feeding teeth that the smaller members do

so I think mogan would work as a full air habitat alongside a vivarium daustro, bakiri, balaeno, cycno, gnatho, whatever

[river perch]

I want it, but man i do not envy the thought of having to model those teeth

i genuinely wonder if it would make more sense for them to use their hair system for those

[median relic]

I didn't think about that 💔 yikes

[hollow furnace]

I mean you'd probably just use a texture plane

Same deal as like Deino's wings

[median relic]

it could they're almost toothbrush like with ptero

[river perch]

oh thats a good thought

[median relic]

ptero has them so densely packed even way more so than its closest kin from what I can tell

[river perch]

what a fabulous weirdo

definitely one of my top picks once we reach that point

[hollow furnace]

On the topic, if people are bored

10 pterosaur roster, vivarium and full exhibit

[median relic]

yikes that's tough

[hollow furnace]

Alts don't count towards the 10 limit as well

[median relic]

uhh..
pteranodon (longi and sternbergi alts), quetzalcoatlus (hatz alt), nyctosaurus, tropeognathus (anhanguera alt), pterodactylus, thalassodromeus, tapejara, rhamphorhynchus, dimorphodon, pterodaustro

maybe?

[hollow furnace]

Nice, good mix

[median relic]

could replace tapejara with tupandactylus whether you want a vivarium or full exhibit

and tupa has two species

honestly I'd go with tupa over tape because then you have 5 exhibit pterosaurs and 5 vivarium pterosaurs

oh god wait I forgot anurognathus 🥀

uhhh... screw you dimorphodon?

[hollow furnace]

lmao

[river perch]

we dont have to worry about anurognathus being part of the 10 if they add it early in update 16 😈

(not happening)

[river perch]

very good

i do find myself weirdly drawn towards Dsungaripterus, but i dont really think i would replace anything here with it

i would be vry satisfied with a list like that

[alpine thicket]

I do really like Dsungaripterus.

[river perch]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-psychicpebbles-pim-smiling-friends-pim-mr-boss-gif-1373626090718171797

Dsungaripterus gang

[median relic]

that is true

the durophagy is fun and could make for a unique aviary

also, like, I included pterodactylus for its historic importance but at the same time megalosaurus is not in the game

so... idk

[coarse inlet]

yeah Moganopterus is a freak and I love it

wannabe azhdarchid

[alpine thicket]

crab feeder for Dsungaripterus
crab feeder for Dsungaripterus

[left spear]

For crab dsungaripterus feeder

[alpine thicket]

dsungab craeder foaripterus r

[outer moth]

I always thought it was at least this big

[steep tulip]

Goat mentioned

[shell sonnet]

Pteranodon longiceps/sternbergi
Tropeognathus mesembrinus
Tupandactylus imperator/navigans
Thalassodromeus sethi
Quetzalcoatlus northropi/"Quetzalcoatlus"lawsoni
Dsungaripterus weii
Pterodaustro guinazui
Rhamphorhynchus muensteri
Dimorphodon macronyx
Jeholopterus ninchengensis
Easy

[feral cedar]

It’s worth mentioning that the guy who made this skeletal straight up said that it CAN get bigger than what’s shown

[outer moth]

There's been like, 200+ smth pterodaustro specimens, no?

[hollow furnace]

750

says on the skeletal

[feral cedar]

For such a well sampled pterosaur there seems to be a lot of inconsistency with its size

Wikipedia’s article on Pterodaustro states its elongated skull is up to 29 cm long

This skeletal on the same page however… yeah the “elongated” skull (I assume elongated refers to the beak?) is WELL over 29 cm, if the scale bar is any indicator

SassyPaleonerd’s size comparison implies its small enough to only need a hand, whereas the Pteros size comparison appears much larger

[hollow furnace]

the big specimens are based on fragmentary and scrappy remains, the complete articulated specimens are all juveniles to subadults

Sassy's skeletal in particular is one specific specimen, not a theoretical maximum size individual

[feral cedar]

Ah, that makes sense

to be honest an adult Pterodaustro with a 2.5 - 3 m wingspan sounds about right

[outer moth]

Hey, at least the ontogeny might be on track if it ever gets added to PK

Speaking of which

Do yall think aquatic n aviary species might have ontogeny?

[ancient ibex]

Yes

[outer moth]

Hmm, but if so, where will aquatic species breed?

[ancient ibex]

On specific modules developed for that I'd wager

[feral cedar]

Makes you wonder what the module for an aquatic animal could be

I could see some sort of "shallow reef" where the babies avoid larger adults

Or maybe it's some sort of heavily-covered chunk of kelp forest where mothers-to-be feel "safe" giving birth since they're a bit vulnerable or something

[shell sonnet]

A reef/rock style module like the nest would make the most sense

Not kelp though, kelp is too recent for my taste

[feral cedar]

I was going for something that could "cover" the mother

[mint creek]

Kelp would work for some Cenozoic aquatics

[shell sonnet]

It's not like the mammal birthing bed has a cover

[shell sonnet]

But not for anything from before the Miocene

is my problem

[feral cedar]

Well the idea is that the mother is going to give birth so she goes to the module which makes her feel safe by providing cover. I reckon a kelp forest would do a good job at that

Maybe there's a species of seaweed that is found throughout the Mesozoic

[outer moth]

I have an idea that it could easily be a bouy

Helps the player place it from the surface, and it can get covered in kelp when it's being used by certain species

Idk how it'd work for mesozoic aquatics though

[steep tulip]

A rock tunnel/arc or something works for most marine species tbh

Sea turtles and other egg laying marine reptiles could have its own thing as well

Tho a kelp one wouldn't necessarily be bad as well

That all can use

[shell sonnet]

Look, the birthing bed for mammals just has the baby pop up right next to the parent. There's no need to have any kind of extra covering or the like for marine animals. I think the buoy idea is a good idea for placement purposes, though.

[steep tulip]

Them popping out without anything around feels kinda awkward

[shell sonnet]

It's how the mammals do it.

It's not necessary to copy Frontier's idea

[steep tulip]

It doesn't have to be a cave or a full covering, where you can't see the animal at all
Just something that stands out from the rest of the lagoon so you know they doing their stuff

[shell sonnet]

That's what the buoy is for

False Saber-tooth trio for White River Fm.

Would expand the formation, give us a smaller sized carnivore that might work as a starter

[limber needle]

get thalassodromeus outta there and get my glorious king darwinopterus in there

[coarse inlet]

no

Darwinopterus isnt even the best wukongopterid to add

[limber needle]

yeah thats correct they should add ian

[coarse inlet]

Also Thalassodromeus is peak

[limber needle]

https://www.pteros.com/pterosaurs/ian-the-wukongopterid.html

you can buy a t-shirt with the silly bastard

[coarse inlet]

Kunpengopterus antipollicatus is the only correct choice

[limber needle]

i suggested that a while back with suminia

a guest-creature interaction like monkeys at zoos would be neat post EA

#1360542295228944414 message

[shell sonnet]

Why would I do that? Thalssodromeus actually works as an exhibit animal by being relatively large, its got a massive crest for fun color designs, and a huge jaw that might hint at a meat diet.

[limber needle]

PoT PTSD

loud ass fucker

cool animal but not in terms of pterosaurs

[shell sonnet]

I don't play Path of Titans; why should I care about what they add.

[limber needle]

id rather have more toothed pterodactyloids anyway

[left spear]

You will be laughted at, you cannot stop this fact.

[limber needle]

boreopterus would be insane

[left spear]

But nah Thalasso is great DLC material

Not for the flyer expansión itself

But for others

[hollow flower]

Would Tupuxara work as an alt for it?

[shell sonnet]

Likely yeah, most of the post-cranial reconstructions of Thalasso are based on it, I think

Thalassodromidae are like ceratopsids in that the skull is pretty much the only basis of classification

[coarse inlet]

Thalassodromeus is easily a top 10 pterosaur

the only full size species I'd say are higher need are an azhdarchid, Pteranodon, an Anhanguerid, a Tapejarid, and Rhamphorhynchus

[left spear]

1-Pteranodon
2-Quetz/Hatz
3-Rhamphorynchus
4-Tupandactylus
5-Tropeognathus
6-Thalasso

That's my order for habitat pterosaurs

[coarse inlet]

same

[limber needle]

we need dsungaripterus its so unique and underrated

[outer moth]

I'm just hoping we get null aviaries if aviaries ever happen

[left spear]

Idk if Pterodaustro can be an exhibit but if yes then It goes between Tupa a d Tropeo

[coarse inlet]

Dsungaripterus would definitely be in my top 10

[limber needle]

totally not biased or anything

[coarse inlet]

but I'd prioritize Thalassodromeus

[left spear]

Also Cearadactylus as a Tropeo alt

I swear people forget alts exist when It comes to aquatics and flyers

[coarse inlet]

I dont but I tend to save those for sister taxa like the game seems to be doing

Cearadactylus is pretty far from Tropeognathus within anhangueridae

[steep tulip]

True but tbf, so is juxia with para

[limber needle]

id prioritize things that set it apart from other paleomedia

[steep tulip]

I think

[shell sonnet]

1. Pteranodon - because it's frickin' Pteranodon, no other reason is needed
2. Rhamphorhynchus - because it's about as opposite of Ptera as you can get without being too small; also it's cool
3. Quetzalcoatlus - because it's still the god of the big guns
4. Tupandactylus - Fruit diet for and big wonderful crest for color
5. Pterodaustro - Filter bill for the win
   6.Tropeognathus - Big winged and toothed, sign me up
6. Dsungaripterus - crescent bill is so weird
7. Thalassodromeus - for reasons I've mentioned above

[coarse inlet]

yeah and Thalassodromeus isn't really used in much

despite being really cool and unique

[steep tulip]

Thalassodromeus never got featured in something ever

The pot one is weird and ugly it doesn't count

[left spear]

PoT models are either beautiful or terrible no in-between

[steep tulip]

Actually no

[left spear]

Talking about you Kaiwekea

[steep tulip]

I think the plesiosaur was the ugly one

I forgot

[left spear]

Yes

Kaiwekea

[steep tulip]

But thalasso did weird stuff

[left spear]

They turned a filter feeder into a regular fish hunter

I'm terrified of what they'll do to Leed

[limber needle]

leed is a terrible choice by alderon

[steep tulip]

It was also in that museum game

[limber needle]

its playstyle is either gonna be innacurate or a doing-nothing simulator

[left spear]

So was adding Eo-Rex-Spino-Tyranno

[coarse inlet]

anyway my point is that aside from PoT which is very niche there's not really been any depictions of Thalassodromeus

despite being one of the only pterosaurs suggested to hunt larger terrestrial prey

[left spear]

There haven't been any (Good) depictions of leed either

[limber needle]

and besides that godawful '65' movie there is barely any dsungaripterus rep

[left spear]

I would love to see what skins the devs would give it

[steep tulip]

Mhm
Tho dsungaripterus with a correct diet is cool as well, so not sure which of the 2 I prefer

[shell sonnet]

Best is still Jurassic Park Builder

[alpine thicket]

I'd love to see the feeding animation give it a "crab-cracking" kind of thing going on.

[coarse inlet]

i'm not saying it's GOOD but it's in a ton of JP branded stuff

[limber needle]

thal built like a funko pop

[alpine thicket]

Also crustacean feeders in general should be a thing.

[steep tulip]

Truth

[slim flare]

Which crustaceans should we feed?

[alpine thicket]

Well I mean like... I think blue crab is pretty common for this kind of thing? Hmmm.

[limber needle]

shrimp fried rice feeder

yummers

[alpine thicket]

Probably any like commercially-available crab really.

[limber needle]

i gotta draw a dsungaripterus munching on some shrimp fried rice now

[shell sonnet]

mussels, clams, oysters

[limber needle]

abalone?

also burrowing worms

basically anything oystercathers eat

whenever i draw dsungas i often give them an oystercatcher inspired look

[coarse inlet]

oystercatchers have straight and long beaks though, a dsungaripterus beak isnt good for probing in the sediment

Leptostomia has a beak for that kind of thing though

[left spear]

I mean all feeders are a mix of different animals

[left spear]

I'd imagine a mix of Shrimp, Crab and Crayfish

[alpine thicket]

Yeah any commercially-available crustacean fits.

[limber needle]

polite gentleman

physically incapable of wrongdoing

unless youre a worm

[steep tulip]

A little birdie told me looking ass

[shell sonnet]

Bills, not ass

[left spear]

Uhh

Uh

Lariosaurus as a viv

That's it

Also Spain/Italy rep depending on the species which is fun

[limber needle]

wait this is goated

https://tenor.com/view/goated-slide-ice-goat-jump-gif-27617241

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-eating-good-food-wow-shocked-at-how-good-the-food-is-gif-4442559760889363287

Never realised how small this guy is

[lean hound]

I want one

as a pet

right now

[limber needle]

why they gotta kill off all the silly little guys vro

[lean hound]

all good things must come to an end

[limber needle]

not if i have anything to say about it

we must devote all humaitarian effort to keeping anteaters alive

and pangolins

[shell sonnet]

Spain's got plenty of rep

[feral cedar]

This dude plays PoT

[median relic]

I'm getting desperate and seriously considering a return

though my memory of the game wasn't exactly fun 🥀

[waxen grail]

-# Are you being sarcastic or are you counting a map as plenty of rep? (Or is there a Spanish species in game I’ve forgotten about)?

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/omw-to-spread-misinformation-all-over-the-internet-gif-26525511

[shell sonnet]

All of the above

[waxen grail]

Ok

[shell sonnet]

What is Portgual but the western part of Spain. We have potential Allosaurus and Torvosaurus remains in Germany, how could they reached there from Portugal except through Spain.

And let's be blunt, Spain also has a few other potential reps like Concavenator, Pelicanmimus, and M. longiculum.

(seriously though, demanding an animal because a country needs rep is dumb; extinct animals wouldn't have cared about our current borders and honestly, extant ones try their best to do so as well)

[feral cedar]

PREACH

[flint sable]

agreed!!!!!

also doesnt help that a lot of countries have really crappy fossil remains, so trying to add fossils from many countries will result in a lot of glupshittos

[coarse inlet]

Countries can be useful for a rough approximation of geography but the USA, Mongolia, China, Argentina, and Canada will always have more stuff that’s interesting than places like Japan or Poland

[feral cedar]

Yeah I feel like those are the big 5

And not far behind are Europe and Africa but as like, collective continents imo

[ancient ibex]

As a Spaniard, in terms of physical geography, Europe is all a stone's throw away; Portugal is not Spain and that's something the Portuguese people have made it abundantly clear in any case, but, I can literally get up in the morning and drive to have lunch at Miragaia, so...

In any case Iguanodon bernissartensis is a Spanish species anyway

Las Hoyas stuff will be cool, and it is functionally an expansion of Wealden fauna

[feral cedar]

Concavenator and Pelecanimimus are basically DLC for Wealden

[ancient ibex]

there is also the issue of the British isles being continentally part of Europe

[shell sonnet]

They are

[ancient ibex]

(Torvosaurus, I'd be inclined to say that it made way from the UK and Germany into the US across Iberia tho, rather than the other way around; all of its relatives are in Europe)

Kimmeridge also has stuff in common with the Morrison, but those are marine deposits where Dacentrurus and Juratyrant ended up (as did Cetiosaurus, whose relationships are AFAIK weird); the big difference between Europe and NA seems to be sauropod-centric

Buut this is verging on sci chat, sorry

IMO the focus shouldnt be on representing countries, geographical regions work better

[shell sonnet]

I agree but I also think that's something the game devs need to change as well. Makes no sense for the Tacos not to get a bonus with each other

[ancient ibex]

sibiricus gets the location bonus with Mammuthus tho and that's funny

[shell sonnet]

I thought they were going to remove those locations; it's weird for there to be two sites with just Mammathus and Elasmo

[ancient ibex]

Horseshoe Canyon and Hell Creek being barely separated in time and space, yet not getting the location bonus due to the US-Canada border, all while Ugru can get the location bonus with DILOPHOSAURUS, is kinda...

[feral cedar]

Wait, what?

[shell sonnet]

It's true

[outer moth]

Think that's just a bug
Or the devs secretly know more than us...
Perhaps it's the rare and mythical Prince Creek Neotheropod

[ancient ibex]

Nah, it isn't a bug, it is a matter of "Canada" and "United States" being separate locations I believe

[flint sable]

united states lowkey hit the fossil jackpot ngl

even just the morrison formation covering like a third of the country is unbelieveable, its really in a league of its own

[hollow furnace]

US stays winning as always

Geographical cheat code

[flint sable]

ture...

especially when talking about the mesozoic

[shell sonnet]

No that's China

[hollow furnace]

I don't think a country with 5000 years of 100 million people dying because their river got ADHD counts as a cheat code

[flint sable]

ture...

[digital pendant]

Tbf the 100 million rebound in a decade

The magic of rice ✨

[hollow furnace]

more blood sacrifices for the Yellow river...

[digital pendant]

New dishes shall be created...

[shell sonnet]

That's nothing compared to at least about half as many people dying in a tenth of the time thanks to disease.

[hollow furnace]

that wasn't geography, that was the Europeans and their funny red polkadots

[shell sonnet]

A big body of water in the way that humans have only managed to successful cross only a small amount of time our species has been around counts doesn't count as geography?

[hollow furnace]

yes, that's part of the geography cheat code

[median relic]

you can only have 3 mosasaurs: Which will they be?

[shell sonnet]

Mosa, Tylo, Platecarpus

[steep tulip]

Europe is technically asia and asia got yixian that alone has 300 trillion fossils
I win

[median relic]

I get where you're coming from but..

mosa and tylo feels like a waste. Maybe tylo could be its alt?

[shell sonnet]

No

They're not close enough to be alts

[steep tulip]

Tylo is fairly different

[median relic]

they're not thaaat different

[steep tulip]

And also quite basal to the lineage

[median relic]

just change the head shape a bit and you don't really need to do much else right

[shell sonnet]

They're in different subfamilies

If they're close enough to be alts, then all Mosasaurs can alts of each other

[median relic]

fair fair

maybe 3 is too low

5 mosasaurs doesn't seem unrealistic

[steep tulip]

5 its good

I want to have smaller ones as well

[hollow furnace]

Mosasaurus hoffmannii+missouriensis/conodon (not picky on which but would be good to have the big European on and a WIS one), Platecarpus tympaniticus, and either Globidens or Tylosaurus

[hollow furnace]

5 seems pretty unrealistic lol

[median relic]

mosasaurus, tylosaurus, prognathodon, globidens, and platecarpus/gavialimimus/khinjaria/idk-

[hollow furnace]

that's a lot of mosasaurs

[shell sonnet]

Five is probably too many Mosasaurs, but it definitely is too few Plesiosaurs

[steep tulip]

There's that freshwater one

Forgot the name, got mentioned here already

Prob too unknown unfortunately

[shell sonnet]

Unless they're going to mix fresh and sea water animals, I have my doubts on it getting in

[median relic]

mosasaurs come in too many shapes so it's hard to pick so few, but yeah I guess plesiosaurs and ichthyosaurs and cetaceans even moreso

[ancient ibex]

They literally evolved aquatic lifestyles independently of each other

[median relic]

what..

[hollow furnace]

ye

Mosasaurs are weird

[median relic]

ok didn't know that
tbh from the beginning me saying tylo as a mosa alt was just copium

[steep tulip]

There's so many plesios I want
Plesio, elasmo/styxo/alberto , a polycotylid, a filter feeding one
leptocleidus

[median relic]

historic picks like plesiosaurus are so tough because like
you know there'd be a cooler animal like it to add but ultimately you still want to add it for its significance

[median relic]

but this I would be satisfied with assuming pliosaurs count as a separate thing (of which I'd only want a few of those)

[hollow furnace]

I mean Plesio is a pretty cool pick, and the Charmouth clay is a formation with a fair few choices

Plesio, Icthy, Dimorphodon, Scelido

[steep tulip]

Lio and krono with alts and we good

[median relic]

I mean what does plesio itself bring that elasmosaurus or something doesn't

[hollow furnace]

Attenborosaurus

[steep tulip]

Plesio is small

[median relic]

also oohh a cryptoclidid would be cool idk

[hollow furnace]

A ton what?

That's like asking what Plateosaurus brings that Brachiosaurus doesn't

[median relic]

I don't think it's quite like that lol

[steep tulip]

Would be cool as well, tho it has a lot of competition ngl

[hollow furnace]

it pretty much is

[median relic]

not saying they aren't distantly related

but they are fairly similar at a glance all things considered

[shell sonnet]

Rhomhomaleo, Krono/Monquira, Plesiosaurus itself, Leptocleidus, Cryptoclidus, Trinacromerum/Dolichorhynchops, Elasmo, Aristonectes

[steep tulip]

Rhomalosaurus would be cool
Or a relative

[median relic]

elasmosaurus is basically an exaggerated version of plesiosaurus

[shell sonnet]

They're not that close to each other

Certainly wouldn't use one in place of the other

[hollow furnace]

you could fit two entire plesiosaurus just along the neck of Elasmosaurus

[median relic]

ok ok wait

for pliosaurs would you want pliosaurus or kronosaurus

[shell sonnet]

Krono

[median relic]

or something else

[hollow furnace]

Elasmo is way longer, way longer neck proportionately, lived in a completely different environment

[shell sonnet]

Though I want Monquira as an alt

[hollow furnace]

Again it's like comparing Plateo to Brachiosaurus, or Camarasaurus to Argentinosaurus

[steep tulip]

Krono def
Tho it could work as an alt tbh

[median relic]

idk

plio has much longer flippers afaik

[shell sonnet]

Though, I suspect Lio is going to take the spot anyway

[median relic]

noooo

[steep tulip]

Tbf

[median relic]

lio would only be getting in for media recognition

[steep tulip]

It could also be lio alt

Lio does have the longer flippers

Like plio

[shell sonnet]

(bloody WWD and its dumb advisors giving oversized sea monsters and feeding the worst instincts of certain paleo fans)

[median relic]

ok how about this:
plesiosaurus, elasmosaurus, kronosaurus, dolichorhynchops, aristonectes

[shell sonnet]

too few

[median relic]

I guess

if I could add one more, a cryptoclidid?

[steep tulip]

Yes

[median relic]

maybe rhomaleosaurus-

[median relic]

ngl I'd love to see abyssosaurus

[steep tulip]

That one convergently evolved to look like other "regular" plesiosaurs, it defeats a bit the point
Tho imo it's not a bad pick necessarily

[median relic]

I mean that's kinda cool though

[steep tulip]

Yeah was about to say
We can afford it actually

[median relic]

same thing with polycotylids looking like pliosaurs, and then serpentisuchops wrapping back around to looking like a normal plesiosaur again

[steep tulip]

Not like the others are that crazy different anyway

As for ichthyosaurs
This one hard damn

Ichthyosaurus

A big one

[median relic]

hmmm...

[hollow furnace]

Ichtyo, Othalmo, Shoni

[steep tulip]

I would say cymbospondylus

[median relic]

ichthyosaurus, ophthalmosaurus, shonisaurus/shastasaurus/ichthyotitan (idk), temnodontosaurus, cymbospondylus??

[steep tulip]

A bit out of field for a pick, but it looks cool

[hollow furnace]

Shoni with popularis+sikkensensis

[ancient ibex]

Temnodonto

[steep tulip]

Also temnodonto

[ancient ibex]

Eurhino perhaps

[steep tulip]

I wonder if any if these can work as alts

[ancient ibex]

Both Eurhinos would go hard bwahaha

[median relic]

temnodonto is too cool of an animal I'm sorry it has to be in

I like eurhino but I don't need it

[hollow furnace]

Cartorhynchus vivarium

[median relic]

would be funny to have it along with xiphiacetus

[ancient ibex]

Cymbospondylus has Sea Monsters cred, but honestly, it is IMO a bit mosasaur-adjacent

[median relic]

that's kinda why it's cool

it's like one of the first truly giant ocean macropredators

[ancient ibex]

Lio and Krono are quite different and have room, but Plio itself, with its miriad assigned species, covers the in-between range (except the Cretaceous temporal distribution=

[steep tulip]

All cretaceous ones are very similar to othalmo, not even sure they are worth as alts

[ancient ibex]

Shonisaurus does that as well

[median relic]

they're shaped pretty differently though

[median relic]

also about pliosaurs

I forgot

isn't krono like... controversial now or something??

a bunch of its material got reassigned to "Eiectus"

[steep tulip]

Afaik the holotype of krono now bears the name eiectus

While all the other material that was assigned to it remained kronosaurus

Due to it being too well known of a name in scientific literature

[ancient ibex]

The holotype of Kronosaurus remains Kronosaurus

[shell sonnet]

Ichthyosaurus, Eurhinosaurus, Ophthal, Shoni, Temnodonto, Cymbospondylus

[ancient ibex]

AFAIR

Mixosaur mini

The whole deal with Krono is a bit of a malicious mess

The bulk of plesiosaur workers are NOT okay with Eiectus

[shell sonnet]

One from Platypterygiidae would be nice

[steep tulip]

Oh mb
I guess then the split was just not good

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, Mixo would be nice

[ancient ibex]

The Colombian animal is rightfully split

LOOK AT IT

[steep tulip]

Mixo would be cool as well

[steep tulip]

Referring to the holotype and the other krono material
Like their reason to split it was questionable
I forgot honestly

[ancient ibex]

Holotype was quite incomplete I believe

[shell sonnet]

A big problem is that the Harvard specimen(s) is the basis for a lot of reconstructions and it's a mess

[ancient ibex]

Plaster everywhere

And the holotype is this

Pretty much this

[steep tulip]

Yeah
The paper found it was not possible to determine the other belonged to the same species

[steep tulip]

Oh so some still have it

[shell sonnet]

It wouldn't be the only time Harvard ruined science

And it won't be the last

[alpine thicket]

Yeah Eiectus legitimately comes across as deliberate and malevolent intent.

[last thistle]

Would y’all be ok with aquatics and pterosaurs being on animation “loops” like terrariums?

[steep tulip]

Depends

[hollow furnace]

Exactly like vivariums no

But I would be ok if they had much simpler behaviours compared to full exhibit animals

for aquatics especially

[steep tulip]

I would be okay with it if I knew that was the only way devs could bring them to the game

[last thistle]

I would prefer pterosaurs over aquatics

Personally

[steep tulip]

But by the way they been talking about them, the plan seems to make them free roamers

[alpine thicket]

I believe in their ability to make them freeroamers, even if only in special structures.

[hollow furnace]

don't worry, PK will crash and burn and they won't have to worry about making aquatic and aerial animals

😊

[coarse inlet]

I think I'd be fine with flying being a simplified pathing situation if they had more complex behaviors on the ground/water

[alpine thicket]

Flying doesn't necessarily need to be really complex to look good.

[coarse inlet]

yeah

[flint sable]

i would agree there

at least in the terms of large stuff

I would probably prefer a new vivarium type being like

small aquarium

or something

over large pterosaurs

but I would prefer large pterosaurs over super large marine stuff

like large mosasaurs and marine reptiles and things

[static flame]

I'm feeling Toxodon

[outer moth]

As much as this looks like it fits in a vivarium-sized tank, I feel like this is too big for our current vivarium sizes

[ancient ibex]

A 12x16x8 aquarium tank is huge

Million and a half liter tank

[outer moth]

Yeah but think about it
A social species that presumably needs more space n enrichment might need something twice that size

(And I am assuming ichthyosaurs are somewhat cetacean-level intelligent)

[ancient ibex]

There is no reason to believe that tho

[outer moth]

Hence why it's an assumption

How big was the average ichthyosaur braincase?

I actually don't quite know

[outer moth]

Actually quite small

[ancient ibex]

Contrast

[outer moth]

Nevermind whale intellect for Ichthy

It's closer to the rat than the dolphin, I think that point's been proven

[steep tulip]

Reptiles brain seem to be smaller on average despite also being able of pretty complex behaviour
Tho yeah, doubt it they were social animals

[outer moth]

Wonder where that paleomeme came from

[silver steeple]

Because people carelessly compare them to dolphins

Ecologically and probably behaviorally, they'd be much closer to like sharks tbh

[ancient ibex]

Reptiles are quite neurally dense and not dumb; there is a reason crocs and monitors are lowkey doglike in cognitive abilities, and crows and parrots are at ape levels, but, dolphins are insane while ichthyosaurs are reptiles maneuvering on 3D environments

[thorny parrot]

If we should find out what actual Tyrannosaurus juveniles look like, they should add the current design as Nanotyrannus :3

[ancient ibex]

Tyrannosaurid juveniles look very much alike Nanotyrannus anyway

The current juvenile Tyrannosaurus also isn't apt as a grown Nanotyrannus

[thorny parrot]

🤔 what exactly do you mean by apt?

[faint oak]

Pk juvie rex doesn’t have nano proportions

[ancient ibex]

The juveniles not being Tyrannosaurus was proven by an adult utterly incompatible with it being Tyrannosaurus, but, as usual, related animals tend to be more and more alike the younger they are

[thorny parrot]

🤔 did they only base the head on it?

[faint oak]

The head also lines up with a probable juvie rex specimen

[faint oak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/646189983841124353/1432339834701086780/SPOILER_IMG_4816.png?ex=6915c9ec&is=6914786c&hm=e00b314f71f4ca48bcd249246d9ca34d561cdbf0e5bcf8d2280a2f29756b43bb&

[ancient ibex]

Honestly, freshies and salties may be a good parallel to rex and lancensis

SVP is also on right at the moment, and there is neat stuff coming in the future I'm told

[thorny parrot]

SVP?

[ancient ibex]

The Society of Vertebrate Paleontology meeting

https://vertpaleo.org/svp-annual-meeting-2/

[shell sonnet]

Are both of the ones in bottom left gharials, bottom one's doesn't seem narrow enough

[ancient ibex]

They are a freshie and a saltie at the same size range

The top ones are freshie and saltie at handheld sizes

The Nano situation would be basically, if we only knew about adult salties, somebody found a juvenile freshie and declared that was a grown dwarf animal, when it was a juvenile. An adult freshie distinct from the adult salties would close the deal, as would a juvenile saltie distinct from the juvenile freshies, but with the incomplete data, funky growth wouldn't be a bad hypothesis.

We got the equivalent of a grown freshie, and thus here we are

[feral cedar]

freshies and salties being freshwater and saltwater crocodiles?

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, both Australian species

[last thistle]

This is such a cool fossil

[low bridge]

If you watched P.P Ice Age trailer so so so Arctotherium says: Hello

[left spear]

Arctotherium is a fun animal

Crazy alt potential aswell

[mint creek]

Arctotherium would go hard

[slim flare]

Dwarf manatee…

[wary nacelle]

They should add capitalsaurus for July 4th and July 4th only
-# ||/j||

[low bridge]

Ok, Discokeryx, Tylocephalonyx a "dome headers" should be as good as Pachy since there is no dome headed mammals besides them, adios amigos 💤💤

[low bridge]

Besides Doedi , Glyptotherium should be recognized more lol

[shell sonnet]

Doesn't exist

[shell sonnet]

Not everyone is aware

[wary nacelle]

If you look it up the first thing shown quite literally says Capitalsaurus doesn't exist

[modern totem]

it's clearly a joke

[brave pier]

just give Acrocanthosaurus a US flag skin for the day for the bit

[frosty torrent]

Argentavis magnificens

[slim flare]

What’s the dead animal?

[outer crater]

Camel?

[frosty torrent]

it looks like a toxodon but i think they didn't coexist

[outer moth]

I do wonder if ppl will mod in the Indian mega-titanosaur into PK
(And no, the name isn't Bruhathkayosaurus, even if it's commonly used for the sauropod)

And yes, I know it's only remains vanished instantly

And yeah, so did Marapuuni, but I still want that in PK as well

[silver steeple]

Probably a Macrauchenid

[coarse inlet]

wym?

[outer moth]

Bruhathkayosaurus is a name describing a theropod

[coarse inlet]

I mean it was misidentified as a theropod initially

but it's the same remains as the sauropod

[steep tulip]

If they mod this guy before spinofaarus I'm going to be disappointed

[cosmic cosmos]

for plesiosaurs, i would pick:
Plesi, Elasmo+eromanga, Krono+moniqu, Serpenti, Aristo, Umoona, Doli, Alberto

[burnt gate]

ALBERTOSAURUS?

I LOVE ALBERTOSAURUS RAHHHHHHHHHHH

[steep tulip]

Albertonectes
Tho imo it's too similar to elasmosaurus, it could be cool as an alt, it got a longer neck

Actually not sure if it could work
Technically it could

[hollow furnace]

it's the closest relative of Elasmosaurus

If anythings going to work its gonna be it probably

[burnt gate]

oh

[median relic]

why... eromanga of all things to pick as alts for elasmo-

imagine poor Nigel reading out that thing's name jokes aside yeah albertonectes or styxosaurus (iirc elasmosaurus itself is actually kind of fragmentary compared to styxosaurus so idk could be neat)

[cosmic cosmos]

i put eromanga and alberta in the wrong spot 😅

[low bridge]

What Hyaenodon Gigas/Horridus doin???

[cosmic cosmos]

YOOOOOO

ITS SO GOOD TO SEE YOU

WELCOME BASKC

I MISSED UUUUUU

[low bridge]

What i missed in Peak Kingdom ?

If u watched P.P Ice Age trailer then Stegodon and Eremotherium say : What's up

Jeff the slothiest sloth is featured again

[left spear]

Last devlogs have been pretty good

[low bridge]

Oooooo

Sometimes small things work better so take Mesembriornis, Andalgalornis

[mint creek]

Did you see the Simosuchus EZ?

[low bridge]

Nope

[low bridge]

The most dangerous crocodile in Earth History 🫥🫥🫥

Im scared

[mint creek]

It's so cute it nearly overtook Yi as my favourite vivarium species

[low bridge]

Hope in future for beast croc besides this little cutie

[mint creek]

Deinosuchus or purussaurus?

[low bridge]

Crocodylus Thorbjarnarsoni/Anthropophagus but idk i would take Purru since it is true beast of caiman

😪

[mint creek]

good choices

[low bridge]

Eh hard to say but Barinasuchus would go so hard

[mint creek]

TRUE

[low bridge]

Anthropophagus is a Human eater

Rly

Evidence exists

Lol

[low bridge]

Extinct Giant species of living genus ain't that good pick

[mint creek]

I think they can be

It's cool to see animals that are so familiar yet just out of reach

probably why I like the lions so much

[low bridge]

Sivatherium would go with 2 it species+ Bramatherium alt

And "Dome headed" giraffe Discokeryx as extra giraffe

[mint creek]

Yeah I love Sivatherium

[low bridge]

There is "dome headed" chalicothere also

Tylocephalonyx

💪

[mint creek]

💪

[low bridge]

Siva good, Siva insanely good

Pyrotherium is neaty animal

Xenokeryx, Synthetoceras would Fit

True facts number 1

😵‍💫

[low bridge]

So Sivatherium with u

💪💪

[mint creek]

🔥

[vocal lotus]

modern snakes i dont think that titanoboa sits very still

thank you

[low bridge]

Which lesser extinct giraffes besides Sivatherium are your favorite??

Mine is Samotherium

[proper raven]

most snakes barely move unless they want to eat or to find a basking spot

even the active hunting ones are not mammalian or bird levels of active

[thorny parrot]

If no one will mod couple gliding Dimetrodon I'll be disappointed. Also flying Spinosaurus

[nimble wedge]

Who wants Nanotyrannus?

[hollow furnace]

Kind of but not urgently

It's sixth on my list for tyrannosauroids

[feral cedar]

who are the top 5

[short rover]

I would guess Alberto/gorgo, yuty, alioramus/qianzhou, drypto, and Guang

[hollow furnace]

Yutyrannus > Alberto+Gorgo > Megaraptoran of some sort (Australovenator/Megaraptor/Maip/whoever) > Alioramus+Qianzhousaurus > Guanlong

[short rover]

Ah

[hollow furnace]

Then Nano+Dryto is numero 6

[short rover]

Tbh for me megaraptoran is at the top of tyrannosauroids in that case

I want one bad they’re so cool

[feral cedar]

tyrannosauroids are so diverse

[slim flare]

How tf is Alioramus higher? On what grounds?

[faint oak]

snoot

Alio objectively does look sick af and could be coupled with quianzhou

i personally dont really count megaraptorans under "tyrannosaurs i want in game" just cause theyre still not so stable (especially with nano throwing a nuclear bomb into coelurosaur phylogenetics) and they fill a distinct niche vs the others

[feral cedar]

me personally my wishlist

Albertosaurus + Gorgosaurus
Guanlong
Yutyrannus
Australovenator
Nanotyrannus + Dryptosaurus
Alioramus

[faint oak]

i think thats pretty much the consensus tbh lol

[slim flare]

Yeah

Although I see 0 need for Dryptosaurus

[faint oak]

Alio+Quianz, Alberto+Gorgo, Guan, Yuty, Nano+Drypto(?) and if megaraptorans are tyrannosauroids they get on the list too

Drypto is cool

[slim flare]

It’s fragmentary and Nanotyrannus already has 2 species

[faint oak]

and would basically be beefed up nanot

[short rover]

Australovenator + Megaraptor
Albertosaurus + Gorgosaurus
Yutyrannus
Guanlong
Qianzhousaurus + Alioramus
Nanotyrannus + Dryptosaurus
This my order for tyrannosauroid additions

[faint oak]

i was on the drypto train for years before this lol and now that drypto actually has a chance i refuse to get off lmao

[short rover]

Long arms, Appalachia rep, got some cool art

I wouldn’t suggest it unless it was an alt

[slim flare]

I’m the opposite. I was on the Drypto train but now that Nanotyrannus is likely a Dryptosaurid, it just surpasses it in every way.

[short rover]

Good thing animals can have 3 alts ☝️🤓

[faint oak]

and it would fit well with the two nano species, tiny Lancensis, bigger Lethaeus, and steroids Drypto

[slim flare]

But I feel they rarely should

[faint oak]

cringe!!!!!!

[slim flare]

I would prefer higher diversity of skins

[short rover]

Make this one of those cases

[faint oak]

leave that to us greenies

[slim flare]

I don’t trust you

Except hadro’s Parasaurolophus walkeri skin

[faint oak]

plus we prolly will be knowing at least what N. lancensis will look like soon if the skin impressions are as extensive as reported

so the nanos dont really have much potential for design variation

[short rover]

God I hope so

[slim flare]

But we don’t know color or patterning even if true

[faint oak]

by the time nano hypothetically added we will have custom mutations by then

they yearn for altship

plus 2 tyrannosaurs will sell better than 1

so if nano was a DLC animal you get to put 2 tyrannosaurs in the trailer

https://tenor.com/view/smol-smolcat-smolcatcoin-smol-cat-coin-roswell-gif-5972314891354809109

[abstract compass]

https://tenor.com/view/bart-simpson-simpsons-gif-21258017

[bold sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/wreck-it-ralph-thank-you-thanks-thanks-satan-when-friend-gives-advice-gif-3553888

[feral cedar]

ngl Dryptosaurus is a lot more Nanotyrannus-like than I thought and these side-by-side really does highlight it

[faint oak]

What bits and pieces we have of it do look superficially similar at least

Which thankfully is all you need for an alt to work

[feral cedar]

I personally really want lancensis cause of the bigger (proportionately) arms than lethaeus

[hollow furnace]

Alts…

Need my Mary and Jane

[feral cedar]

lol fair

The size difference between both species is very interesting ngl

[hollow furnace]

But realistically if we got Nano I think it’d almost certainly have both species as alts at least

[feral cedar]

Mary was an adult, but Jane was still growing. But she was already larger than Mary

Insane

[faint oak]

You gotta have Lancensis and Lethaeus

[median relic]

all I know is that nano really gives "surprise update" or dlc headliner

[feral cedar]

I still think Nanotyrannus lancensis/lethaeus + Dryptosaurus is a top tier idea

[faint oak]

Real

[feral cedar]

Three of the four non-tyrannosaurid eutyrannosaurs for the price of one

[median relic]

I agree with this overall I think but I'd swap the alioramins and the dryptosaurs, and maybe bump yuty or guanlong under them

[median relic]

it could be out next month... It could be out on thanksgiving!! It could be out in 2 weeks, it could be out next week, they could be working on it right now

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-it-could-be-you-imposter-gif-23427826

also if they do add it the skeleton crew has to play it

[hollow furnace]

skeleton crew does play it

they just don't do the react to designs videos for it

[median relic]

that's what I meant

sorry

[short rover]

I do hope to see more pk stuff from them in the future even if it’s just them gushing over the peak designs

[hollow furnace]

I know they said they wouldn't do them because all the PK designs would go in S tier but like

they barely rank the designs anyways (positive)

And there's plenty of animals in PK that aren't covered by JWE at all (Plateo, the mammals, etc.)

[river perch]

yeah i really wish to see them discuss the games designs

i would even settle with just 1 video where they speedrun through them

[feral cedar]

"speedrun"

it'll be 10 hours

[hollow furnace]

blistering speed for them

[river perch]

not a bad time for any% category

[feral cedar]

lol true

kings of yapping

[short rover]

Fr

[steep tulip]

I wanna have mammal talk

[median relic]

we can only have 3 species of moa, which ones would you pick?

[flint sable]

south island giant, upland, bush

basically just those first two for certain

i could really care less about the last slot, just ideally not 2 repeats for dinornis

[median relic]

good choices

but why upland and bush? I like them too but tbh
heavy footed moa looks so funny as a real animal I'd love to see it for that alone

[quick ore]

Upland is as necessary as one of the largest species for me imo

it was the latest living species

that has to count for something

[frosty heron]

Late but umoona mentioned doli mentioned MONQUIRASAURUS MENTIONED ily so based

[median relic]

true

and that mummy...

man..

but why bush

[flint sable]

upland because it lived the longest and also the soft tissue yeah

[flint sable]

small animal

gives some variety

[flint sable]

and an excuse to give another animal boreal

[median relic]

crested and heavy footed are similarly sized but have more unique appearances

idk

[flint sable]

true

as I said above basically just southern giant and upland for me

i could really care less what you put in as the third one

[median relic]

actually wait

do we even know for sure if crested moas had crests?

I feel like we don't

[flint sable]

uhhhhh

we dont know for certain but its quite indicated by skull remains

there are deep pits on their skulls which in living birds can indicate a large feather crest

it wouldnt be something like a cassowary or anything

[median relic]

I see

btw if we got mosasaurus for aquatics I want hoffmannii but also a missouriensis alt

[coarse inlet]

Because it rules

[coarse inlet]

this'd make a sick staff for a necromancer

[slim flare]

No Tarbosaurus rules the Nemegt

[tulip umbra]

I want more ceratopsians, even though we already have a lot of them.

[mint creek]

we should ban more ceratopsians until we get more rhinos

[tulip umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/the-punisher-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-wait-wait-wait-wait-wait-wait-wait-wait-wait-noooooo-dream-sequence-gif-3498303690144489723

[smoky spear]

that doesnt make sense

all rhinos look the same for the most parts

ceratopsids at least actually looked a lot more distinct in the head

[digital pendant]

So true

[smoky spear]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-mad-disrespect-right-there-rude-angry-annoyed-not-okay-gif-14759447

[ancient ibex]

I mean, chalicotheres are ceratomorphs afair so the horserilla counts as a rhino

Meanwhile, this is technically a pony

[steep tulip]

Rhinos and relatives have more diversity than ceratopsids at least

Like coelodonta, elasmotherium and paraceratherium all very different from eachother, then there's the one built like a wiener dog, megacerops and embolotherium that aren't even rhinos, semi aquatic ones, horse gorillas, hornless ones
Dog sized ones

But 3 very different rhinos too much but 4 ceratopsids not enough

[digital pendant]

Chilotherium would be dope

[mint creek]

hell yeah

[tulip umbra]

I want em all

[tawdry marlin]

Also Menoceras is a cool boi from the Miocene

[digital pendant]

So true

[ancient ibex]

CeratopsIDS are a terminal cretaceous Laramidia endemism (with one exception) and due to their evolution centering on hyperplastic features (and pretty much supporting them), their diversity is overstated