Community Species Suggestions

[flint sable]

I personally consider anything that occured after the main pleistocene dieouts

specifically human colonization of islands

also the later estimates for meko iirc are definitely recently extinct IMO

[shell sonnet]

The kickstarter, for what it's worth, said the last 2 millennia

[flint sable]

actually lemme rephrase that

basically anything we know that humans were almost certainly the only factor

which roughly equates to a lot of island species

[shell sonnet]

That's the thing; humans might not have been the cause

[flint sable]

like to the point where its essentially impossible to argue otherwise

[steep tulip]

I wonder which exhibit would meko fit in the best
It wasn't really arboreal, it was more terrestrial than other crocs but it probably also wasn't shying away from water

[flint sable]

I would go with terrestrial

[steep tulip]

The semi aquatic one has too much water

[plush nacelle]

There is that compy gif with climbing trunk

[steep tulip]

Same
Maybe it could have a special enrichment item so it can take a bath

[flint sable]

also idk how much water mekosuchus would realistically have access too, as iirc new caledonia isnt exactly known for its large freshwater systems

[flint sable]

so it was probably spending a pretty considerable ammount of time on land IMO

[plush nacelle]

So terrestrial one is probably the best

[steep tulip]

True

[plush nacelle]

I doubt mekosuchus could climb vertical trees

[flint sable]

same

[steep tulip]

It probably could to some extent but not really adapted for it

[flint sable]

if anything this could also indicate that their extinction was extremely rapid after human arrival too

[steep tulip]

Are the enrichment items shared between species or do some get their own

[flint sable]

uhhhhhh

[steep tulip]

Not sure if they mentioned it

[flint sable]

good question

idk if they did

[shell sonnet]

I suspect they would be

[plush nacelle]

Judging by apmhibious concept art - share

[shell sonnet]

just because that's easier to develop

[steep tulip]

Maybe this first batch they all share it to cut down costs and in the future some will get their own

[flint sable]

maybe

[plush nacelle]

I think devs will try to make them as basic as possible so any animal can use them

Like that basking rock in water one

[shell sonnet]

Adding new enrichment items for each animal would also involve new animation and pathing, I doubt that's worth the effort in the devs' minds

[plush nacelle]

I could see them making one for something super popular

But then I cant think about anything so unusual to require unique enrichment

[shell sonnet]

Probably something like Titanoboa

[flint sable]

probably

although saying that

[plush nacelle]

I think snakes are out with terrarium system not using looped animations anymore

[flint sable]

I could see enrichment pieces that are uhhhhh

specific to certain clades or groups

rather than just one box

like as an example, something specific for the "birds" (archaeopteryx, microraptor, yi)

or something specific for like

the amphibians and co

which would be tiktaalik and any other hypothetical members added

ect

[plush nacelle]

Small primates could use different toys

Plenty real life examples using tamarins and squirrel monkeys

[shell sonnet]

Maybe but the setup Mau showed seems good enough

[plush nacelle]

Damn I forgot

Arent animals supposed to teleport to enrichment items and stay using them untill player stop watching?

[hollow furnace]

vivariums still use looped animations

they're just more complex loops

[shell sonnet]

I thought they said the pathing was randomized so where it went next would change

[hollow furnace]

yes

[steep tulip]

It is, but it still a limited amount of paths

[hollow furnace]

from a number of preset options

That's still a loop, it's just a more complex loop

[shell sonnet]

That's what I thought

[steep tulip]

As for this, not sure if they meant that each time you go away it just reshuffles but they can stop interacting with it after a while you watch them do it, or if they are stuck there

[plush nacelle]

So how does it exactly work. If animal can randomly chose between different point then it is not loop anymore

[steep tulip]

The animations that they play are still looped

But each time they get randomised

So like

The animal is done playing the animation and it randomly chooses what to play next

[hollow furnace]

yes it is because there is a set number of potential points they can choose using preset paths.

[plush nacelle]

Is it something explained on patreon?

That these are complex loops?

[hollow furnace]

For example a microraptor might start off in a place on the ground: it has a loop where it hops around in a circle and returns to the same start, a preset path where it hops to another place on the ground, and a preset path where it flies to perch in the tree. If it goes to another location, it will have a path to go back to the same place it started, and another 1-2 paths it could take, but they're all ultimately finite

[hollow furnace]

In more depth yes but it's also been explained in the dev logs

The September log in particular

[plush nacelle]

This why I am asking, because September log explained new vivarium system is not using long looped animations, but something different, which sounds to me like looped behaviour

Which makes animating everything easier, because there is need for one walking animation and not entire sequence

[hollow furnace]

they aren't premade animations yes

But they do follow premade loops, which allows for greater detail and control

[steep tulip]

Vivariums basically have multiple "rails" they can traverse but they can only follow them one way more or less

[hollow furnace]

The problem with snakes isn't that you can't animate them, the problem is that they're very hard to make look good with free navigation

[vocal lotus]

deinosuchus, Titanoboa,giant sloth, dodu, gigantopithecus

[proper raven]

honestly snakes are one of the few animals idc if they just sit still for all eternity in the vivarium

irl they dont move much at all

[late swallow]

Good picks

[digital pendant]

Scientific literature lol. Even papers often, they call them marsupials and/or carnivorous marsupials. Is not a matter of pronunciation, it is a matter of simplicity. Policing the use of extreme scientific jargon is not even something actual professionals on the field do.

[quick ore]

can you show me these papers?

[digital pendant]

Hmmm alright I got confused. Its mostly on older papers so I do apologize for implying the common nature of that label. I do see sparassodont more often on newer literature along with metatherian. Though my point about policing colloquialism stil stands

[quick ore]

I'm not so sure it does. For a while sparassodonts were considered marsupials and that isn't still done as a colloquialism; it is done because people are genuinely unaware of their recent new placement on the metatherian tree

I think it is important to emphasize that they aren't marsupials themselves specifically because they were thought to be for so long

[ancient ibex]

I lowkey consider deeming pterosaurs dinosaurs is still far less of a mistake that saying they have nothing to do with them, or that they are lizards

[digital pendant]

Even if they arent proper marsupials, they still share a lot of characteristics, superficially would look a lot like them, and very likely had a simple pouch like in opossums

Its like talking about prehistoric elephants and mention mastodons and deinotherium when they arent true elephants

[digital pendant]

Tbh, they are much closer to dinosaurs than anything else

Im on the camp that if we had dna data of sparassodonts, they might clade even closer to marsupials than what we might expect. But alas we got none of that.

[quick ore]

I mean not really though?

Presence of a pouch isn't even guaranteed since plenty of marsupials lack them

[quick ore]

ok but this argument has now because that we should call them marsupials because of your own headcanon

[digital pendant]

I am not even arguing that?

Honestly im just gonna drop it

[left spear]

Pannoniasaurus

That's it

[coarse inlet]

YES

based af

[toxic oriole]

New idea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ornimegalonyx

The owl.

[coarse inlet]

YESSSSSSS

[polar tinsel]

This thread sometimes gets unreasonably pedantic over stuff that can completely change overnight

[abstract compass]

welcome to paleo

[tawdry marlin]

Welcome to the species suggestion thread, we do that a lot here

[sharp dock]

where kelenken

[feral cedar]

there's definitely a certain know-it-all attitude that can occasionally surface here

Although I vastly prefer it over the people in the JWE Discord who suggest shit like super lore obscurosaurs that appear in a background prop for 2 seconds, informally named genera, or somehow submit a wishlist with a straight face that implies they want an extinct dog breed from ancient Greece in JWE 3

[mint creek]

Online paleo communities are infected by the unholy fusion of know-it-all-ness from being a scientific field and the argumentative nature of fandom culture

[ancient ibex]

Know-it-allness is a fandom thing in my experience

Talking about, I dunno, ctenophoran affinities, changes quite a bit

Talking about Dragon Ball? Same approach, down to not reading anything

[left spear]

Weirdly specific example in the end there

[feral cedar]

That happened yesterday. Jaw dropped

[left spear]

Chat do we need the Turnspits in domestic fiefdom

I think we do

But not surprised, the general JP-JW fandom has the worst takes and weird hyperfixations out of all paleofandoms

[feral cedar]

See they're not know-it-alls, they're people who want to seem like they know it all

Every time someone suggests an extremely obscure snout fragment or something I think they just pulled up Wikipedia one day and picked a name for shock value, prioritizing catching people off guard with something they've never heard of before over something that'd be an actually good suggestion

[left spear]

Kind of people to suggest Siats as a new, unique and existing animal to add to the franchise.

[feral cedar]

exactly

"Guys we need Alpkarakush!" no we don't 💔

is that how you spell it

[left spear]

Only slightly unique thing i can see in this thing is It being Kyrgyzstani

Idk i like non-Gobi Central Asian dinosaurs

[ancient ibex]

It is a metriacanthosaur, those are quite vanilla

[feral cedar]

Holtz once said Sinraptor is probably the most vanilla theropod we know of

Quite frankly I agree with him

It's not a bad thing, though

[left spear]

For a vanillosaur just go Metri or Megalo (Torvo alt)

[quick ore]

oh god dragon ball fans can be so annoying

I swear 90% of english speaking fans only know what they know from watching the old funimation dubs 20 years ago

[ancient ibex]

Metri honestly doesn't deserve the exposure it has

Yangchuanosauridae would had been better

[flint sable]

correct

iirc metri is like

[ancient ibex]

But Greg Paul ruins everything

[flint sable]

3 bone fragments

[left spear]

That's nothing compared to Hispanoamerican DB cults

[feral cedar]

Sinraptoridae

[ancient ibex]

At least those have seen OG DB

[quick ore]

ESENCIA!!!!!

[flint sable]

ok nevermind theres like

a little more than that

still fragmentary as shit tho

[quick ore]

and at least the latin american dubs were of good quality

[ancient ibex]

Named in 1994 tho

[feral cedar]

what about Yangchuanosauridae?

[left spear]

Las bolas de dragón son demasiado poderosas, the anglos cannot stop them.

[ancient ibex]

For the clade I mean, Paul lumped Yang into Metri AND named Metriacanthosauridae

[quick ore]

true...

[left spear]

Wouldn't say 3 bone fragments but yeah not good at all

[feral cedar]

That damn Paul

The ripple effects he created in JP alone have been catastrophic

[flint sable]

ye i corrected myself

its not good still tho

[quick ore]

so is greg paul like evil scott hartman or something

[feral cedar]

poor formatting led to the brochure prop makers thinking Allosaurus was called Segisaurus, and he lumped Yangchuanosaurus and Deinonychus into Metriacanthosaurus and Velociraptor which led to those the former names becoming wrongfully popular

[left spear]

Truly Gasosaurus is the superior metriacanthosaurid

[feral cedar]

Velociraptor should've been the Styracosaurus to Deinonychus' Triceratops ngl

[left spear]

More like Pachyrhino

I still think Utah is more deserving of the 2nd spot

Unless you're talking into account size ig

[feral cedar]

Deinonychus started the Dinosaur Renaissance and Velociraptor had the Fighting Dinosaurs specimen

I think they're worthy of #1 and #2 respectively

The biggest doesn't always need to be the most popular

Isn't that right, Gigantoraptor?

[left spear]

Thing is Giganto is the superior oviraptorid

[feral cedar]

Gigantoraptor isn't even an oviraptorid you fuckin ox

[ancient ibex]

Master turned evil, nowadays he demands attention at wikipedia and the DML

[quick ore]

all things considered, I do think Velociraptor having name recognition is cool for it being an asian species of smaller dromie that people are actually interested in. Every other massively popular dromie is large and from North America right?

[flint sable]

nah

citipati deserves it, goated specimens

[left spear]

Umm i'm actually a Jack

[flint sable]

oviraptor is

interesting

[left spear]

Oviraptor is kidna like velo

Popular via missunderstanding

[feral cedar]

DML?

Dinosaur Master League?

[left spear]

Dinosaur mailing list

[feral cedar]

Dinosaurs Making LSD

[left spear]

Just pre-social media paleontological discussion place

[left spear]

Lsd with the extended spectrum of dinosaurs would certainly be interesting

[shell sonnet]

I missed a round of Greg Paul smackdown 😭

[shell sonnet]

Sinraptor would make a nice addition, especially if it could be an alt of Yang

[feral cedar]

ontogeny alt

[shell sonnet]

Shishugou Formation relative; so it would work with Gunalong, Limusaurus and sort of Monolophosaurus

[coarse inlet]

Speaking of Shishuhou and Paul didn’t he suggest Guanlong was a juvenile Monolophosaurus

[shell sonnet]

Probably

[late swallow]

That surprises me less than zero if true

[coarse inlet]

Oh it was actually Carr

[shell sonnet]

At least, he doesn't in the most recent Princeton guide book he's written

[coarse inlet]

Paul said it was a separate species of Monolophosaurus

[shell sonnet]

Although he still does say that they can from the same unit, which I don't think is true

[late swallow]

Correct, different subunits

[round cradle]

dunno it was suggested but...
hyracotherium?
https://cdn.britannica.com/70/81270-050-4EC64405/conception-artist-Eohippus-toe-bones-Hyracotherium-mammal.jpg

[old tiger]

I dont know if theres plans on paleozoic animals other than vivariums but I hope we get a gorgonopsid

[faint oak]

They have said Dimetro is coming post ea

So there should be non-vivarium Paleozoics

[old tiger]

the thing is trees like gingkos are only tagged as cenozoic and mesozoic (they lived during the paleozoic too)

[faint oak]

~~unless it’s Dimetrodon teutonis ~~

[faint oak]

That’s because those are Mesozoic ginkgo species

[old tiger]

ur right

but what about the horsetails

they were permian too

[late swallow]

With no Paleozoic fauna ingame there wouldn't be a reason for them to demarcate flora as providing Paleozoic enrichment points

Possible it would get added later

[old tiger]

no I mean if its flagged

yeah true

[old tiger]

I mean were getting tiktaalik next update

[late swallow]

We said the same thing here

[old tiger]

the update after paleoflora

[late swallow]

Vivarium species Probably won't have that feature

[old tiger]

maybe just points if theres paleo flora in their exhibit

[steep tulip]

It has aura
Carboniferous lepidodendron 🔥

You place it around just for kicks

[late swallow]

You're so right

Also it's the return of rampardos

[old tiger]

oh I get that reference

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[old tiger]

arthemis

artemis

[steep tulip]

Too lazy to make another pfp
I wanna do xatu I think

[old tiger]

I have a theory

anyone wonder why we got those big ass vivariums?

maybe cus we're getting arthropleura

maybe

maybe

[steep tulip]

Well
I believe there's a chance in u19

But we will see

[old tiger]

look at the size of this

its possible we may be getting insect in the tiny vivariums

cus if we put a bigger animal it'd just be abuse

[coarse inlet]

Honestly not really

[old tiger]

I mean

maybe for beelzebufo

[coarse inlet]

That’s reasonable for a lot of reptiles

[old tiger]

yeah but

prehistoric reptiles

[steep tulip]

Longisquama was 15 cm long

[old tiger]

those who know

[coarse inlet]

There’s tons of small stuff

[old tiger]

yeah but we still getting an insect trust me

hmmm

what would the largest box fit

hmmmm

[steep tulip]

Temnospondyls

There were some pretty big ones that were mainly aquatic

[old tiger]

too big

temno should be for a normal enclosure

(I hope they add underwater viewing after they do the good looking wate rin update 18)

[fresh ember]

That ain't how it works.

[old tiger]

wdym

[fresh ember]

Vivariums aren't just for small species, but can also be applied for those with other issues that would prevent them from being added otherwise, such as metamorphic reproduction as seen in amphibians.

[old tiger]

they can just add it and not give it reproduction?

its too big for a vivarium

[fresh ember]

Not really.

There's a reason they come in multiple sizes.

[old tiger]

so coelophysis gets its own enclosure but Temnospondyls cant

[steep tulip]

Yes

Well some might

[lean hound]

Coelophysis aren't aquatic

[steep tulip]

Eryops works well with full exhibits

[old tiger]

so aquatic shit should all be in vivariums??

[steep tulip]

No?

[lean hound]

depends

[fresh ember]

You're missing the point entirely.

[old tiger]

Temnospondyls can swim in a real enclosure

[steep tulip]

There are some animals that work better with normal exhibits and others than dont

[lean hound]

You're quite the ignorant fellow

[old tiger]

i mean they should make it so that you can make enclosed ones

cus vivarium is too small for it.

even the largewst one

like if you make ur own enclosure

and add walls

and stuff

and enclose it

[fresh ember]

Most amphibians don't really do much to begin with.

[steep tulip]

^

[old tiger]

yeah but it deserves better.

[lean hound]

it really isn't, there's plenty of space in the largest vivarium

[old tiger]

temno deserves better

[steep tulip]

Also in normal exhibits there's no diving

They would be at the surface the vast majority of the time

[old tiger]

oh

i thought u were talking about

masto

and the big ones

[steep tulip]

I mean
Masto does fit those categories
Its up to the devs to decide where it fits bests

[old tiger]

yeah but masto is way too big

for the current vivariums

[steep tulip]

They can fit a whole trex inside, I think they can fit masto as well

[fresh ember]

Again, that's not a valid argument.

[old tiger]

guys why did you even use temno, call it by species cus they vary in sizes

I got confuseds

[old tiger]

no

[fresh ember]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/pkgame/images/4/48/Vivarium_Water_Custom.webp/revision/latest?cb=20251031161356

Does this look too small to you?

[late swallow]

196m²

[old tiger]

it needs more land

[late swallow]

And that's just flat floor

[old tiger]

a masto is gonna be cramped

idc how inactive they are

this is the alrgest one

[late swallow]

The fuck is masto that were talking about

[fresh ember]

With all due respect, why are you that hellbent on sticking to the size argument?

Mastodonsaurus.

[late swallow]

Thanks DD

[old tiger]

its a fatass amphibian

and it needs more space.

[fresh ember]

Not really.

Have you seen the vivariums in IRL zoos and the kinds of reptiles they can house?

[old tiger]

I hate going to vivariums in zoos

theres fucking snakes in small ass boxes

[lean hound]

Dude it would still plenty of space for masto even if it wasn't super inactive

[steep tulip]

I'm not even saying they will put mastodonsaurus in vivariums, just that they might
It's also possible they won't be adding something that big until we get lagoons and stuff as well

[old tiger]

oh you mean literally.

[lean hound]

we don't even have confirmation that masto is coming why are you so bothered about it

[old tiger]

yes

it can fit a t rex

but that is no life;

[late swallow]

Ah you're new to discord as a whole

[old tiger]

no cus ur saying masto could live in this space

masto is big

[late swallow]

Hate how mobile still doesn't have that leaf

[late swallow]

6m

Yes, that's large. But it could also do in the largest

The largest is 12mx16m

[old tiger]

it just would live miserable

[ancient ibex]

Not really

Giant salamanders for instance just don't like moving

[late swallow]

It's also important to note that all 3 species of Mastodonsaurus are different sizes

[old tiger]

i mean we never encountered 6 meter amphibians

[old tiger]

i mean giganteus

[steep tulip]

This is also a game, vivariums are ways for the devs to add animals that otherwise would never get added, not making them massive save up space both in the park and in the game

[late swallow]

If we were to get one, cappelensis is probably the best pick

[steep tulip]

And that's saying something since its already pretty massive

[old tiger]

true

[late swallow]

Cappel is what, 2-3m?

[old tiger]

6-7?

[late swallow]

That is M. giganteus

And also not a good meme

[steep tulip]

I was referring to my previous comment
Idk how big this guy is

[median relic]

I think mastodonsaurus could be happy with proportionally little space

[median relic]

consider that it would probably just sit around

[slim flare]

Why would this be a vivarium at all?

[late swallow]

I'm smart

[old tiger]

it would spin in cirles, rest, spin in circles and then rest

[late swallow]

That's what amphibians do lmao

[fresh ember]

Reproduction is one.

[lean hound]

It would rest, rest, rest and then rest

It would be fine

[old tiger]

and it would just sleep in water

[steep tulip]

It's a mostly aquatic animal with a weird reproductive cycle and probably wasn't doing all that much both in the water and on land
Its a valid candidate if the devs think it fits vivariums

[late swallow]

You're just making a better point for it

[lean hound]

anyway I doubt it would get put in vivariums if it did get added

[late swallow]

I doubt it's getting looked at lmao

[lean hound]

yeah

[late swallow]

So many other temnospondyls

[old tiger]

okay but theres one thing that is the most obvious vivarium thing

beelzebufo

[late swallow]

Mastodonsaurus is also just a shitass name

[median relic]

"mastodonsaurus needs a lot of space so it can be active!"
mastodonsaurus as soon as I give it just a little bit of mud:

https://tenor.com/view/sleeping-nintendo-retro-n64-toad-house-gif-18193840225561821905

[steep tulip]

Like crocodilians are not master of being active, but they have quite a lot of behaviours the devs could pick from as well
They could give them to temnospondyls as well, but I'm not sure they would go that route

[late swallow]

Dinner plate

[hollow furnace]

froge

[late swallow]

I still want it don't get me wrong

[hollow furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-planet-prehistoric-planet-2-beelzebufo-devil-toad-frog-gif-10599055142242270721

[lean hound]

Tbh I don't find it that interesting but at least it would be filling an already existing formation

[late swallow]

I want to hear it fucking scream

[median relic]

funny how mastodonsaurus' heads (and temnospondyls in general) are shaped so much like toilet seats

[steep tulip]

😭

[late swallow]

I don't like you saying that

[lean hound]

I will never unsee this

thanks a lot

[hollow furnace]

much like where they belong

[old tiger]

crocodile enclosures are bigger than the vivariums

[late swallow]

I own a 3d printer

[late swallow]

Not by much lmfao

[median relic]

they're so flat

[late swallow]

Or rather, American Alligators

[old tiger]

I didnt say to be active, I said it just needs space to do whatever it wants

[late swallow]

It wants to lay there

[old tiger]

well in my zoo they are kinda in a small enclosure inside a reptile house

[late swallow]

Blissed out in the slop

[steep tulip]

Yeah I'm saying crocodiles while not being super active animals, they showcase a lot of interesting behaviours that makes them worth to be put in exhibits as well (and overall much more active than the vast majority of amphibians tbh)

[old tiger]

its easy to say when they are extanct

[median relic]

extanct

[lean hound]

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-face-gif-25409193

[plush nacelle]

Is biggest vivarium 196 sq metres?

[old tiger]

extant

[old tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/jediwizard4-it-welcome-to-derry-it-welcome-to-derry-season-one-it-welcome-to-derry-2025-it-gif-9165108567578197254

[steep tulip]

I mean
There's a reason why amphibians aren't that active animals, I don't see why temnospondyls would work differently

[median relic]

extanct describes an animal that is both extant and extinct

[old tiger]

well its true but uhh things like masto would need a lot of meat to survive

so it would need to have energy to bring down prey

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[median relic]

doesn't have much to do with space

[lean hound]

This is getting old give it up already 😭

[old tiger]

It probably ambushed and hunting takes a lot of energy.

[median relic]

and I'm sure they'd just hunt by snapping at whatever steps on their big dumb heads

[old tiger]

okay

fair enough

[shell sonnet]

That's what they want you to think; they're actually pretty stealthy and quick

[steep tulip]

I've been tricked, they are actually all so fast I can't see them

[old tiger]

okay but my point is as it was a big predator it hunted and it had enough energy to hunt, so they would most likely need some space

[steep tulip]

There's probably one moving in front of me rn

[old tiger]

poison dart frogs.

[steep tulip]

If you believe that it's fine, just saying don't be too surprised if it ends up in vivariums

[lean hound]

This has already ended but there's no way you just compared poison dart frogs to those flat fat fucks

[plush nacelle]

Could mastodontosaurus reliably walk on land?

[old tiger]

no im saying poison dart frogs are active

and they are amphibians

[late swallow]

Yes

[old tiger]

well technically they cant be in vivariums cus they're dead

[fresh ember]

They live in the tropics where it's hot year-round.

[ancient ibex]

Reptile brains and behaviour are substantially more complex than their amphibian equivalents I believe

[fresh ember]

Plus, they're a completely different animal from Mastodonsaurus.

[steep tulip]

Probably not consistently
More like to go from one pond to another

[old tiger]

not really

you see

they both have beating herats

[steep tulip]

Whats a bug pond called

[old tiger]

hearts

they have lungs

they can breathe through their skin

they have eyes

tehy have uh

mouths

they have legs

[digital pendant]

A giant salamander is probably a more apt comparison btw

[old tiger]

well technically mastos are all fossils now so theyre just dead.

[ancient ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlEzvdlYRes

[fresh ember]

No offense, but this is the kind of stuff that can get someone suspicious of trolling.

[old tiger]

no im just done with this point

of masto being able to live in vivarium or not

i dont care anymore

masto is dead, it deserved to die and it is dead for what it did

https://tenor.com/view/dinosaur-arcade-mastodonsaurus-frog-spinning-amphibian-gif-25846781

[ancient ibex]

I honestly could see Eryops working on land; the juveniles would start at a size beyond the tadpole stage I think

[steep tulip]

Rather than more complex, they are adapted to account for a higher level of energy overall, some amphibians do showcase interesting behaviours (also parental care), but it requires them a lot more resources than reptiles so even if they do they do it quite rarely or do not much else

[plush nacelle]

Then by AZA minimum standards Mau could fit jaguar into vivarium

[old tiger]

well we are fish

[digital pendant]

If I may add my two cents, I can see it being a proper habitat animal tbh. Regardless of being an amphibian or not, animals in the game are more active than they would be irl tbf and i honestly dont see an issue with reproduction if the nest module could just become a sort of pond nest where the animals just come out as mini adults like with most amphibians today

[old tiger]

mammals are fish you see

we are also amphibians

we evolved from fish and amphibians

so we are mastodonsauruses ourselves

[late swallow]

Somebody get this man a book on phylogeny

[ancient ibex]

Tadpoles are lowkey comparable to amniotan embryos in certain parts of their development anyway

[shell sonnet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWiYAJ5k4jY&pp=ygULY2hpY2tlbiBib28%3D

[ancient ibex]

Amniote just gets a private pond

[digital pendant]

Basically

[steep tulip]

I think it could work in normal exhibits as well, mainly arguing about devs deciding to put it in vivariums instead (which imo is a bit more likely for various reasons)

But at the end if the day, it's up to them

[digital pendant]

Ye

[shell sonnet]

Actually, it's up to the 1 % patreon supporters

[digital pendant]

Stuff like beelzebufo definitely vivarium, but the very large ones I can see being proper habitat animals

[hollow furnace]

Make all temnospondyls vivarium animals but make diplocaulus and beelzebufo full exhibit animals

[digital pendant]

Cursed

[old tiger]

what if vivarium animals have a breakout feature

[shell sonnet]

they won't

[old tiger]

imagine a compy breaking out

[shell sonnet]

they've said as much

[plush nacelle]

Simosuchus foraging in trash can

[old tiger]

compy escapes but gets kicked across the park by some random stranger

[shell sonnet]

again, not happening
#pk-discussion message

[old tiger]

better yet

beelzebufo escaping and eating baby dinosaurs

[steep tulip]

In this game probably gonna be the opposite lol

[old tiger]

maybe dryo or velociraptor

lol

or wait

lyellanosauria

lyel

whatever

the smallest exhibit dinosaur

[late swallow]

I don't like that you're right

[steep tulip]

Spreading again eryops propaganda
This one is probably the one the benefits the most from being a normal exhibit animal imo

[late swallow]

That's a battle steed

[tame thorn]

Eryops looks like it would be fun to make a 3d model for

[inner wedge]

yfw you realize eyrops is just a giant ass cacops

[steep tulip]

Ngl thought the 2 were decently closely related, but they are apart of mostly unrelated groups

Platyhystrix closer to cacops, damn

[glass snow]

this ngl

larger temnos don’t really have a true tadpole stage either at least for that long so they can just skip the aquatic part

and have an aquatic nest

They could be vivariums or full it just depends on what the devs want

Though tiktaalik is a vivarium and it has no problem with breeding. But I think the reason is it is a fish and wouldn’t go on land much anyways.

Australian Lungfish babies are basically small adults. Most lungfish babies are though many other species have feathery gills for a little bit.

[late swallow]

Oh my God I love him

[glass snow]

sad we won’t get mini babies because a baby tiktaalik would probably be adorable.

[silver steeple]

I feel like Minis could easily have gotten away with the PZ method

But that would require a second model at minimum so I get it

[coarse inlet]

Yet

[coarse inlet]

Yeah this is big enough for two full grown American alligators

[late swallow]

Had a fuckin fat one at Potowatomi when I was growing up

[coarse inlet]

Tbh I think the animals in the game are TOO active in general

[steep tulip]

From how mau talked about it, most we are going to get is like some ambient animations that make the animals submerge one way or another
True diving would require very complex pathfinding to detect objects and terrain distortions while the animal is submerged

[coarse inlet]

Sure but that doesn’t mean it won’t happen

[steep tulip]

If we are ever gonna get it, it's probably far off in the future together with aviary animals and lagoon animals

[coarse inlet]

Just that it’s probably not happening until marine stuff is the priority

Which I wouldn’t expect temnospondyls before that anyway

[steep tulip]

Fair enough

[ancient ibex]

I mean, if we get Beelzebufo, it as a lissamphibian may count as a temnospondyl, unless lissamphibians are lepospondyls

See that's the actual big mystery of tetrapod paleozoology, and not lancian tyrannosaurs

[late swallow]

It's fat and it's my friend

[steep tulip]

I'm pretty confident we will get some temnospondyls before aquatics

I hope

[frosty torrent]

Jakapil

[shell sonnet]

Just use young Scelido; 90 % the same thing

[toxic oriole]

erm.... its YOUNGER.................................

so it makes no sense.......

[feral cedar]

wrong

Scutellosaurus is to Jakapil what Spinosaurus is to Oxalaia me thinks

[coarse inlet]

um...

huh

Jakapil is Cenomanian...
Scutellosaurus is Sinemurian...

[silver steeple]

Scutello is also not in the game

[coarse inlet]

true

[ancient ibex]

Scutellosaurus growing into the cf.Scelidosaurus whose scutes have been found in the Kayenta is not farfetched, while any restoration of Jakapil is

[autumn plover]

Baby Scelido makes for a great Scutello

Whereas people seem to be blind to the fact that Jakapil barely has any arms

Like if you think Jakapil makes for a great baby scelido

Don’t bother with Giga, we have Carcharodontosaurus

Hell, cancel allo, we have 80% Acro

[ancient ibex]

We have a partial humerous, a partial ulna and 2 metacarpals

Jakapil is scrap

People focus on the MADE UP IMAGE

[autumn plover]

I’m not talking about the completeness im talking about the proportions

[ancient ibex]

We don't know its proportions

Jakapil's proportions are MADE UP

[steep tulip]

Scutellosaurus mentioned

https://tenor.com/view/brown-wild-dog-bidz-gifs-wild-dog-brown-gif-21892797

[feral cedar]

Do we have info on how grown the Scutellosaurus fossils are?

[shell sonnet]

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8292774/

[flint sable]

about that

not exactly much to go off of

[ancient ibex]

No proportions to speak of when we just have the ends of long bones, 5 vertebrae or so, a weird jaw, and osteoderms

[shell sonnet]

The fact there's even debate about what Jakapil even is should also raise some flags

[steep tulip]

They are all fully grown afaik

[shell sonnet]

Not all are

[ancient ibex]

There is weirdness

[shell sonnet]

We have a lot of Scutello specimen

[ancient ibex]

Jakapil being chimeric (marginocephalian associated with thyreophoran) has also been pondered I believe

[steep tulip]

Scutellosaurus is probably the most common animal in the formation as well, the fact they all stop at around the same size range makes me hard to believe it was the juvenile of another animal

[feral cedar]

The paper holdthepineapple linked says one specimen was almost fully grown too

[shell sonnet]

A paper from last year strongly suggested against that it was a marginocephalian, but also suggested it might be a parankylosaur instead of a basal thyreophoran
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14772019.2024.2346577#d1e308

[steep tulip]

Oh
Still, I believe they are all decently close to be fully grown if so, never ever heard of a juvenile scutellosaurus specimen (at least one that isn't too fragmentary)

[shell sonnet]

From the paper I linked to

[feral cedar]

parankylosaur would honestly make more sense than a ghost lineage of Scutellosaurus-like animals lasting some 100 million years without us discovering any in-between species

I genuinely don’t understand why people latched onto Jakapil so quickly and yet Scutellosaurus has evaded this level of popularity among dinosaur fans for so long

[steep tulip]

Its definitely easier to believe
Considering how much in the air jackapil anatomy seems to actually be, I would also prefer getting something else

[fiery crow]

this is giving me Liaoningosaurus vibes
ngl

[steep tulip]

Scutellosaurus my goat
One of my first ever dinosaur toys I had

I would love it for vivariums

[shell sonnet]

Newer, South American, lived with Giga

[feral cedar]

Cute little creature

[fiery crow]

see I would like Scutellosaurus myself
but at the same time. we have Sceleidosaurus.
not sure if I spelled that right

[feral cedar]

new toy syndrome is a bitch

[steep tulip]

I mean if we get it, it's gonna be for vivariums

[feral cedar]

Scutellosaurus could make for a fun vivarium critter

[glass snow]

Scutellosaurus would be vivarium

[fiery crow]

I have so many critters I want as vivarium animals
I’mma be real for a sec

[feral cedar]

Scelidosaurus is our basal thyreophoran that gets to be outside and have everything

skins, ontogeny, proper AI

[fiery crow]

crossing my fingers and lowkey hoping we don’t get Arthropleura as a vivarium animal
I just really want a full enclosure invertebrate

[feral cedar]

Arthropleura might NEED to be vivarium to accommodate for what might be unique locomotion

[quick ore]

also its reproduction

[glass snow]

arthro would need to be a mini

[steep tulip]

Yeah its very unlikely we get it as an exhibit animal

[quick ore]

it had water babies right

[glass snow]

It’s reproduction is fine I guess it would just lay eggs in soil

[steep tulip]

It has the same problem as snakes

[fiery crow]

would we get Titanoboa as a vivarium animal too then

[shell sonnet]

Most likely

[steep tulip]

Its hard to make it follow terrain correctly without it clipping everywhere

[glass snow]

like modern myriapods are just lay eggs in soul. It is just its locamotion

[quick ore]

thats the only way we could get any snake

[glass snow]

All those legs

[shell sonnet]

Or really, any kind of modular object like a rock

[glass snow]

other than maybe paleophis which would be an aquatic if we get aquatics

[quick ore]

maybe

[glass snow]

warm blooded big sea snake

[fiery crow]

well. we’ll probably get aquatics depending on how the game does.

[shell sonnet]

devs have said as much, yes

[glass snow]

more active than most snakes in being a sea snake it would be our only chance in my opinion for a full exhibit snake

[steep tulip]

They would need to develop some kind of rig that is procedurally generated for it to work, but that's a lot for possibly just a bunch of animals

[shell sonnet]

Or really, just one

[steep tulip]

Yeah

[fiery crow]

hoping we get Cretoxyrhina and Jaekelopterus as aquatics if that ever happens

[shell sonnet]

I really hope we get do get Jaekelopterus rhenaniae or Pterygotus grandidentatus

[fiery crow]

or Hibberopterus

[glass snow]

I hope we get endoceras and parapuzosia as aquatics if aquatics come to the game.

[shell sonnet]

Aquatics would be our best chances of getting full exhibit-esque invertebrates

[quick ore]

that would work with regular vivs

it was semi aquatic

[fiery crow]

I mean. Spinosaurus is also a semi-aquatic iirc.

[quick ore]

also *Hibbertopterus

[quick ore]

and what of it?

[shell sonnet]

Not in the same way

[quick ore]

Hibber is a prime viv species

and potentially the only way we can have a sea scorpion without aquatics

[late swallow]

Mewing champion right here

[old tiger]

What if when prehistoric kingdom releases we get dlcs featuring formations?

like some not well known formations

or formation expansions

[shell sonnet]

I wouldn't oppose the idea

Clade, time, location are the ideals for DLC as opposed to a random assortment

[old tiger]

For example a dlc featuring things like some less known species from a certain formation: Hell creek expansion...ect.

and we get maybe new build sets too

to accompany the dinos

I would love to see an african one with cenozoic animals

[old tiger]

Or a dlc that features recently extinct animals like the dodo, thylacine, great auk and moa bird

[shell sonnet]

I qualify that under time

[old tiger]

yeah Im sure theyd do something similiar

[shell sonnet]

All those animals died out in the last 1000 years

A recently extinct pack is likely to be one of the first DLCs (if we get any) according to the devs

[quick ore]

this has been confirmed already

literally the first dlc

[old tiger]

Or maybe like an aquatic expansion dlcs that adds a lot of underwater plants, corals, coral rocks and cambrian-devonian fish and maybe something big

[old tiger]

Really?

is the roster for the dlc confirmed

[shell sonnet]

no

[late swallow]

This is a thing that's happening

[shell sonnet]

we just know a quagga with alts and likely the moa bird

[quick ore]

and like

the thylacine and dodo are givens

[old tiger]

Tbh id pay a lot for a devonian or cambrian dlc

most of them will be in vivariums

but still

[late swallow]

The issue with the cambrian

Is everything is so fucking small

[old tiger]

for vivariums

it would be ideal

no breeding

no growth

[quick ore]

thats not the issue

most cambrian species are small as adults

[late swallow]

You misunderstand

[old tiger]

idk, I have a sense that anomalocaris is coming to vivariums

[shell sonnet]

#pk-discussion message

[quick ore]

thats one of the only large enough species

[old tiger]

yeah

[late swallow]

They're so small it wouldn't do well for rendering

[old tiger]

if they add dickinsonia it would probably be like an item

not an animal

since it doesnt do nothing

[late swallow]

Opabinia, for example is like 5 inches

[old tiger]

for decoration

[old tiger]

the vivarium will work for devonian

jawless fish

[late swallow]

That and Aegirocassis

[old tiger]

what was the cambrian fish

that looked like it was smiling

:>

[late swallow]

Right, but I was speaking on the size of Cambrian fauna

[late swallow]

[old tiger]

for cambrian things a solution for the smaller fish is maybe they make it so that we need schools of them

[late swallow]

Sacabambaspis

[old tiger]

yea

for example

if we put a lot of sacambaspis

it would be noticable

like an aquarium

hmm

[late swallow]

This is also a hard if

[shell sonnet]

You'd have still render each one individually

[quick ore]

Saca was from the Ordovician

[old tiger]

ur right

what if they spawn as schools?

idk

[late swallow]

We don't know if we're getting fully aquatic variants of the vivaria

[shell sonnet]

I think the simpler solution is we just don't get them

[old tiger]

I mean the amphibian ones should work for fish

[late swallow]

I would certainly like to

[old tiger]

why wouldnt they

[shell sonnet]

not for full marine fish at the moment

[old tiger]

ive seen fish tanks with land on top

[late swallow]

Movement

[old tiger]

what if we get steller's sea cow and put it in a amphibian vivarium 😭

[quick ore]

Also I don't think a "cambrian dlc" would work as dlc. No one is going to pay money for a dlc pack without any exhibit animals

[late swallow]

That's mean

[shell sonnet]

That would be too small for it

[old tiger]

truwe

wait

the thign that came after cambirna

[late swallow]

Even the largest one

[old tiger]

with the uhh

[late swallow]

Silurian?

[old tiger]

yeah im jk

[old tiger]

the one with giant fungus

[shell sonnet]

People say crazy things with complete sincerity

[old tiger]

what if we just get these fungus as decoration, idk

[mint creek]

I would

[old tiger]

i mean stellers sea cow is already huge and sea cows travel miles

[quick ore]

the only paleozoic period that has enough for a dlc pack would be the permian, it has basically all of the potential exhibit species

[old tiger]

okay if they make a dlc that combines cambrian and devonian id pay cus we get big stuff and at the same time we get cambrian decoration,

[old tiger]

pretty sure theyll make a lot of permian animals as free updates

[quick ore]

says who?

[shell sonnet]

Incorrect, carboniferous also would pass

[old tiger]

I mean permian is a big period

if they made it a dlc

[quick ore]

does the Carboniferous have 4 good exhibit animal choices?

[old tiger]

anomalocaris

meganeura

[quick ore]

wh

what?

what are you talking about 😭

[old tiger]

wait

i meant

uhh

wait

I mixed up ano with

arthropleura

meganeura

[quick ore]

arthro and mega wouldnt be exhibit animals

theres no way

[old tiger]

for vivariums

[quick ore]

that's not what I asked

[old tiger]

btw the large vivarium is perfect for arthro

[old tiger]

hmm

wait

what was the big ass fish

what was its name

Rhizodus

[quick ore]

exhibit animals

[old tiger]

it was the largest fish that ever existed

[old tiger]

bro its really big

it aint fitting in a vivarium

[quick ore]

dont call me bro

[old tiger]

sis

[quick ore]

and we dont have aquatics

[old tiger]

im pretty sure theyll implement a way by the time it comes out

[mint creek]

Paleozoic dlc's would go hard if we got an aquatics dlc before hand

[quick ore]

yeah but without it

[old tiger]

didnt pk have planned aquatic animals?

[mint creek]

depends on how successful the launch is

[quick ore]

the only period dlc we will get for the paleozoic is the permian

aside from vivs

[shell sonnet]

Ophiacodon, there's a species of Edaphosaurus, Anthracosaurus, Loxomma, maybe Neopteroplax

[mint creek]

Worth reading - https://discordapp.com/channels/173172667623407616/173172667623407616/1387150045257924841

[quick ore]

you really think that can sell? Edapho is moreso a permian species anyway

[old tiger]

I saw concept art of like 9 marine reptiles

[quick ore]

none of those are heavy hitters

[mint creek]

That doesn't mean anything

in fact it supports Mau's message

[old tiger]

yeahg

but

with the game's success going up after babies

[mint creek]

"We're dying to add them but it depends on sales"

[old tiger]

babies boosted the game's sales a lot

imagine combat

[mint creek]

I do think the game will be successful but you should always hold caution over the future

[old tiger]

I just hope.

[quick ore]

imo any dlc/roster additions should be made with the idea that we may never get aquatics or fliers

[old tiger]

formation dlcs

formation expansions

[mint creek]

nah, this is a speculation thread so speculation on swimmers and flyers is fair game

[quick ore]

yeah those can work depending on the formation

[quick ore]

never said it wasnt

i just think some people consider it a given when it isnt

[shell sonnet]

you asked for good exhibit animals, not ones that would a sell pack like Dimetrodon would

[quick ore]

thats what good exhibit animals would be

its paid dlc

some oddball choices can work alongside a heavy hitter

but you cant fill a dlc pack with glup shittos and expect it to sell

[mint creek]

Well that's perfect then

Arthro is the heaviest hitter from that period

make the heavy hitter a vivarium species

[quick ore]

not an exhibit animal

[mint creek]

with oddballs for exhibit

[shell sonnet]

Plus Meganeura

[mint creek]

damn a carbiniferous period dlc could go hard with this setup

[old tiger]

id really like some african formation as dlc

[late swallow]

If you're talking Prototaxites, those were recently moved outside Fungi

[old tiger]

I want this

[mint creek]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-me-too-kid-incredibles-gif-19919940

[late swallow]

Brontotherium, yeah?

[quick ore]

this is north america

[old tiger]

I mean in general

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-america-childish-gambino-dancing-gif-12164113

[quick ore]

what? im saying the image you posted

[old tiger]

I love brontotherium

[mint creek]

dirus posted too different messages

[old tiger]

pretty sure its africa

[quick ore]

that's literally Moropus

[mint creek]

they don't need to be linked

[quick ore]

and there are oreodonts

[old tiger]

Okay dawg I just googled african cenozoic formations

[late swallow]

I believe those are Chalicotheres

[old tiger]

its google's fault

[shell sonnet]

Megaceraops would be great, White River needs more love

[old tiger]

blame google.

[quick ore]

it was the same message

[shell sonnet]

Those are found in Africa

[late swallow]

Yes

[quick ore]

not Moropus

that is very clearly north america

[old tiger]

Idk google said africa and im a sheep so

[quick ore]

ok?

[late swallow]

Is it

[mint creek]

You've got to stop being so aggressive on trying to correct people

[quick ore]

Yes

it has entelodonts, oreodonts, Moropus

literally could only be NA

[mint creek]

It's like, turbo annoying to watch someone be this anal towards a new user

[old tiger]

What if we get a madagascar formation with giant lemurs

[late swallow]

We get a Cretaceous Madagascar Fm!

[shell sonnet]

We're getting

[old tiger]

,ajunga?

majunga*

[shell sonnet]

No

Simosuchus

[old tiger]

yeah

but its vivarium

[late swallow]

Maybe they can shove Majungasaurus in sometime

[quick ore]

sorry, i apologize, i just didnt like how people doubted that it wasnt africa

[late swallow]

Better ways to go about it. And to the uninformed, it's not obvious.

[old tiger]

maybe an expansion for the la brea tar pits?

ground sloth, horse, columbian mammoth or mastodon

camel

[late swallow]

Did some digging: that image is the cover of
ISBN 10: 0912627042 ISBN 13: 9780912627045 Agate Fossil Beds: Agate Fossil Beds National Monument, Nebraska

[mint creek]

I want a Chalicothere more than anything

[old tiger]

same

I love the way it looks

[late swallow]

PBS Eons introduced me to a lot of interesting fauna

[quick ore]

the way what looks

[late swallow]

Including one that incites riots in the chat

[old tiger]

maybe for the la brea expansion we also get dire wolf

[mint creek]

Gorilla horse goes so hard

[fiery crow]

PBS Eons introduced me to Atopodentatus

[late swallow]

I... cheese just said

[old tiger]

ooh I forgot about arctodus

thats a must have

[late swallow]

Short-faced?

[old tiger]

yeah short-faced bear

the giant one lived in la brea

[late swallow]

Yeah La Brea has some cool stuff

[old tiger]

maybe the jaguar but its too similiar to modern day species

[late swallow]

As for mammals, I'd like to see Juramaia, and M. columbi and exilis

[old tiger]

the la brean cheetah is again too similiar to modern day cougars

[fiery crow]

I wanna see Miraconyx

[shell sonnet]

Madagascar would work better as a general overall location pack because you could pick up Majunga, Maisaika, Aepyornis, Cryptoprocta, H. laloumena plus any number of lemurs

[fiery crow]

or whatever the American Cheetah is named

[late swallow]

4 of the 5 members of Ferae in game are Feliformes

[old tiger]

and we may also get madagascar foliage and building items

[late swallow]

Fantastic location tbh

[quick ore]

cheese just said a chalicothere

[late swallow]

They all look pretty similar

[old tiger]

I only know about chalicotherium cus of walking with beasts ngl

[silver steeple]

Oh man, and I thought the ark one was kinda ugly

Yikes

[old tiger]

mf it was released in 2001

[silver steeple]

That doesn't make it not ugly lmfao

[old tiger]

it was their current understanding

[silver steeple]

It was not

[old tiger]

its not even that bad

[old tiger]

2001 btw.

it was

[silver steeple]

Ok

[mint creek]

my beloved

[silver steeple]

We've known what Chalicotherium looked like for almost 2 centuries now

[silver steeple]

This is way better

[old tiger]

maybe cus its not 2001 cgi and its digitally painted 💔

[silver steeple]

The CGI ain't the problem

[late swallow]

It being wwb is

[silver steeple]

JP had wonderful CGI in 1993 and those designs are far from good for the animals depicted

[mint creek]

Evolution peaked when it gave fists to horses

[silver steeple]

Exactly this

[old tiger]

maybe cus its made by universal??

[late swallow]

Rockem sockem robots but with Chalecotheres

[old tiger]

which has a lot of budget??

[silver steeple]

The WW series got all kinds of shit wrong

[mint creek]

https://tenor.com/view/show-him-pig-punch-family-guy-gif-16062018

[silver steeple]

With some butt ugly designs to boot

[mint creek]

this is how they'll look in combat when in PK

[silver steeple]

You've missed the point entirely

[late swallow]

Just absolutely fucking decking a T. rex

[silver steeple]

The age and CGI have no bearing on the overall design

[old tiger]

smilodonw as pretty good

[silver steeple]

Someone designed that chalicotherium to look that ugly

Just like someone did to the rex in WWD

They weren't following the real animal well at all

[late swallow]

I think the allo in boba was decent

Ep 2 was uh

[old tiger]

okay only this

and daeodon

[mint creek]

trying to avoid this convo but god WWD T-rex was a tragedy

[late swallow]

Something for sure

[late swallow]

Yeahh

[old tiger]

but the rest look cool

[mint creek]

and the Ank?

Horrors beyond comprehension

[silver steeple]

Yes

[old tiger]

yea

[silver steeple]

Ank can at least be chocked up to us not understanding Ankylosaurs as well as we do now

[mint creek]

Yeah, Ank fossils are actually pretty rare iirc? At least compared to the other hell creek A-listers

[silver steeple]

Pretty much

[ancient ibex]

WWB aged the best out of the entire trilogy, but still has some stinkers

[shell sonnet]

We still have good ankylosaur fossils

(and this was found in 1928)

[old tiger]

wwd rex reminds me of diplocaulus

same face shape

its cheekbone is way tll

too large

too portruding

[ancient ibex]

The issue with Ankylosaurus itself is that it is consistently disarticulated, and it took until Arbour's paper in 2017 for a through approach to it

[old tiger]

I just trust this

prehistoric kingdom has the most accurate models out of any dino game i've seen

[late swallow]

Do you reckon the consistent disarticulation is due to predation or just the way of Hell Creek

[last thistle]

It’s weird that it is rare tho

Like why would an animal as armored as that not fossilize as much as say Trike

I mean it could very well be they didn’t hang around areas that fossilized well but still weird yk

[steep tulip]

Could be various reasons tbh

Both denversaurus and torosaurus are also pretty rare, maybe they liked to hang out in other regions in which they don't fossilize as well

[late swallow]

Could have also just not been as prolific

[steep tulip]

Also yeah, doubt they were as numerous as trikes or edmontos to begin with

[ancient ibex]

It is the way ankylosaurs as a rule roll I believe

Now that Ojo Alamo is also known to be latest Maastrichian, the differences in biota are to be worked with

We are getting some neat Torosaurus postcrania stuff in the future, which is something that had to be done a long time ago, and, again, I expect weirdness across Triceratopsini's distribution

[frosty torrent]

Estemmenosuchus

[limber needle]

is makes sense as dimetrodon was nearly the game's logo

[short rover]

Wasn’t dimetro confirmed

[late swallow]

Yes

[steep tulip]

Live estemmenosuchus reaction

Can never see it the same now that I know this guy is the size of goat

[limber needle]

i theorize that aquatics would be easier to add than most people think as they could just work as an upscaled version on U16's vivarium system

[steep tulip]

I mean if you want them to use looped animations sure

For them to have free navigation they would need to have an ai of their own

[left spear]

The dreaded y axis

[shell sonnet]

Just one of the species

[steep tulip]

Well yeah, but the one in the pic is that species

The other got small horns

[last thistle]

I would be ok with looped animations for aquatics as long as it’s variable enough

[shell sonnet]

I wish the poll got more votes but I found this interesting
#pk-discussion message

[shell sonnet]

I like both, and honestly, think they should come together as alts

[limber needle]

swimming is already implemented, and diving is probably coming in update 19, so its even easier

fliers are the real problem

[shell sonnet]

Diving wouldn't really be an issue with full aquatics

[limber needle]

feeders and stuff might also be kinda hard

enrichment would likely be things like the balls they give to animals like cetaceans and pinnipeds

[shell sonnet]

The biggest advantage marines have is they don't have to worry about landing, taking off, and switching between walking and flying like the aerials would

But they would need new objects for feeding and enrichment

[late swallow]

Beach balls

[limber needle]

ball

[shell sonnet]

Floating balls would actually require some work because they're to supposed to stay on the surface until interacted with

I could imagine them being unimplemented

[quick ore]

omg, imagine not just for aquatics but for any exhibit animals

pumpkin enrichment

sauropods squashing them like elephants

[left spear]

Blud pumkin

[late swallow]

I want beach balls for my sceli

[left spear]

What if they pop them

They'll be sad then

[limber needle]

or floaties for animals like Pannoniasaurus, Nothosaurus, paleophis, ect

also off topic but suminia would be awesome for a terrarium animal

it + something like kunpengopterus, caihong(?) or sapeornis(?) could be implemented with a puzzle toy due to them being relatively smart animals

[shell sonnet]

We ""might"" get Suminia for U16

(I personally doubt it but that's just my opinion)

[left spear]

More like """""""""might""""""""" tbh

Everything points towards the beak boy

[shell sonnet]

Beak Boy?

[left spear]

Drepanosaurus

[shell sonnet]

I disagree, I think it's going to be a glider

[limber needle]

something like this

[shell sonnet]

And calling Drepano beak boy is weird given we don't have a skull of it

[left spear]

I just realized i said beak now that you mentioned It lol

I meant hook

[shell sonnet]

I'll say this, it is winning the poll but not dominating

[steep tulip]

Making drepanosaurus not an insectivore would be weird

Like that thing was built to eat insects

[limber needle]

SUMINIA NOOOOO

[steep tulip]

I also personally believe they just took one of the gliding species and made it a carnivore for reasons

[shell sonnet]

I have given up trying to figure out what "arboreal lizard" is based on diet because nothing fits well-enough

[limber needle]

it could be caihong or ceolueroavasaurs

[shell sonnet]

caihong is a dinosaur, so no

[limber needle]

the term lizard is very stretched in paleontology/j

[shell sonnet]

Also can we get rid of flashing spongebob, it's hurting my eyes

[steep tulip]

Yeah
But at least for the others you can sorta imagine them eating something else from time to time
Like drepano is not any less specialized than mononykus, not making it an insectivore is just weird

[shell sonnet]

Thank you