Community Species Suggestions

[ancient ibex]

Masiakasaurus is weirdly normal

[wary nacelle]

It’s also a herbivore, which, I love convergent evolution

[late swallow]

Severely uncommon in Theropods

Depending who you ask Berthasaura isn't even a Noasaurid

[steep tulip]

noasaurs phylogenetic position is far from clear to say the least, elaphrosaurs are also been found outside noasauridae at times

masiaka apparetly might have been a burrowing animal specialist, theres quite few traits that point to that at least

[late swallow]

Fuck dinosaurs are cool

[wary nacelle]

For all I know I love Berthasaura

And yes they are cool

For example

Berthasaura

[late swallow]

It's uranium itself, fwiw

[ancient ibex]

Thanks for the heads up

[late swallow]

Morrison is heavy in uranium-rich rocks and deposits, Salt Wash especially

[ancient ibex]

Radon is an issue with granite soils, but don't recall whose decay chain it is part of; Morrison stuff had IIRC pyrite and something radiactive as potential hazards

[late swallow]

Radon is in the chain of uranium

[ancient ibex]

I see

[late swallow]

They paint some fossils and put some in special chambers that measure for it

(The paint is lead)

[ancient ibex]

The issue with it is that it is a gas and thus you can end with radiactive dust in your lungs

Lead may be neurotoxic but at least it is stable and opaque to gamma radiation

Too bad it also produces toxic dust

[outer moth]

So technically, the non-avian dinosaurs of the Morrison are still dangerous to humans

[hollow furnace]

Technically all non avian dinosaurs are still dangerous to humans if you get hit by them hard enough

[outer moth]

Yeah, but when has that ever happened?

[desert flame]

If Thylacoleo is added, I'd like a model similar to Prehistoric Planet's design.

[slim flare]

Completely dull tan?

[desert flame]

Probably

[late swallow]

Like almost every other mammal in the game

[desert flame]

This is the only image of Thylacoleo from Prehistoric Planet so far.

[amber field]

I really can't wait to see how they will show the Retractable thumb

[left spear]

I mean Satan has a point, even if dull the pattern it's like completely boring comparing to both real animal and PK animals, i would hope they gave it some patterning and slight coloration

(The model is a 10/10 tho)

[late swallow]

Oh, I'm also bitching about how drab the mammals are in game

[left spear]

P.Atrox is such a missed chance

I get why deer, bear or mammoth and P.spelaea are dull

But c'mon make Atrox somewhat unique

[late swallow]

Smilodon spp. look good tho

[left spear]

Yeah Smilo is great, color/patternful and not unrealistic

Peak mammal desing when It comes to textures

[steep tulip]

Marsupials tend to get more colorful anyway

But I don't dislike the plain look of the php one

[left spear]

First new PhP season thing i don't like tbh

[ancient ibex]

Marsupials IIRC are tetrachromats, but, c'mon, most diprotodontians are darb

[steep tulip]

Both wombats and koalas (thylacoleo closest living relatives) are also pretty dull colored
Probably doesn't apply much considering they still decently distantly related

But they could have used them as ref

[left spear]

Like i don't need It to be stricking as a devil but idk atleast give It a darker color not just lion copycat

[steep tulip]

It might have stripes

[late swallow]

Just a more... interesting colouration would be cool

[steep tulip]

You can kinda see something on the back

[left spear]

Still they will probably be quite dull aswell

[silver steeple]

Yeah it could well have stripes on the back

[left spear]

Missed opportunity

Might get lynched but i think going for an Ark style colorscheme would have worked so well

Would kill for this in pk

Just add some light strippes on the lower back

[silver steeple]

Ark's thyla is very nice looking tbh

[limber needle]

not much of leaellyasauria either

[silver steeple]

That's also not Leaellynasaura either

Though, iirc the actual Leaellynasaura remains we have aren't much better

[left spear]

I don't think Leally even has a skull

[limber needle]

this was the fist one i found on google mb

[silver steeple]

Its all good

The iconic tail isn't actually assigned to Leally

[hollow furnace]

Leaellyna is only a skull

[left spear]

Oh i thought Leally was the one that is only a tail lmao

[hollow furnace]

Nope, the tail is referred, the skull is the holotype

[steep tulip]

Damn, I also thought it was the opposite lol

[late swallow]

Looks like that image references a left femur that is referred to Leaellynasaura

And other material also referred (NMV P185990, NMV P185992, NMV P185993), as well as the holotype cheek (NMV P185991)

[sharp dock]

it's literally not visible so we can't know

once again people jumping onto assumptions and starting useless debates wowee

[late swallow]

Is the debate in the room with us

[sharp dock]

sorry carried out from other places where it's being discussed haha

[abstract compass]

[steep tulip]

It seem to also have a darker belly contrasting with the lighter fur color
Imo it's pretty much perfect

[inner wedge]

he looks so dim-witted

[astral timber]

Borealopelta

[outer crater]

Edmontonia

[slim flare]

My point was “I want it to be like this!” (literally drabbest thing ever)

It’s not a bad depiction, but it’s funny that you’d want to emulate it of all things.

[mint creek]

the copper goat

[wary nacelle]

I’m still pushing the kumimanu propaganda

[autumn plover]

Honestly with Borealopelta just give Edmontonia a reddish brown skin with a pale underbelly

That’s already exactly what they did with the old model

Like Borealopelta wouldn’t even work as we know what it looked like so it wouldn’t need more than a single skin

[flint sable]

I mean can you really blame the devs tho

Megaloceros and Coelodonta and partially Mammuthus is based on actual depictions from life, Mammuthus even has some genetic and mummy evidence

[toxic oriole]

You can say the same about Microraptor given its colors are that of modern birds (Corvids to be exact, Crows and Ravens)

[flint sable]

and you can make the case for the paraceratherium/juxia and even sinotherium but like

[toxic oriole]

Then again, its getting those genetic mutations in U16 anyways

[flint sable]

generally speaking large naked mammals are greyish brown

[toxic oriole]

Making a Melanistic Microraptor unnecessary, or even pointless
I guess you could say the same about a Leucistic Microraptor?

Not sure.

Oh well, plenty of corvids to take inspiration from for skins in U16

[silver steeple]

Except its never gonna get another skin cause its a viviarium animal

None of them have more than 1 skin

So its irrelevant to the conversation at hand

[flint sable]

although there are a few I think they could have done a better job IMO

two of the ursus skins are basically identical

but like generally speaking you cant really blame them for the mammal skin design being kinda boring, its just realistic based on what we know and safe inferences

we know a lot less about dinosaur intugment and coloration than we do about mammals, so as a result the speculation can be a lot wilder

[steep tulip]

And reptiles and birds base a lot of their communication on colors and shapes while for mammals its mainly smells

[flint sable]

also true

[steep tulip]

Marsupials and primates are the exception and they are the more colourful among the bunch (tho there are others as well)

And even then they don't have as many crazy colored ones like reptiles

[quick ore]

thank you for mentioning marsupials a lot of people forget that trichromacy is quite common in them

[late swallow]

Wouldn't go as far as common but yeah it's present

[quick ore]

I mean we have found evidence of it in a majority of groups, no?

[steep tulip]

They don't all have it?

[late swallow]

No, a bunch are dichromats

[steep tulip]

I mean ig maybe opossums don't

Never heard about them having it

[quick ore]

told ya

[late swallow]

That doesn't say it's straight up common

Says further tests may verify if it is

[steep tulip]

I mean
Its not something you evolve every day

[late swallow]

Convergent evolution as well

[quick ore]

it isnt being evolved

trichromacy is just ancestral to marsupials

[steep tulip]

Numbat and honey possum are from 2 different groups

Seems reasonable to assume it's basal to the group somewhat

[silver steeple]

And tetrachromacy is ancestral to all amniotes, so what

[steep tulip]

Apparently opossums don't have it

[quick ore]

wym so what?

[steep tulip]

The one in the americas

Or not enough studies have been done on them
But they are also their own group

[silver steeple]

Just because a trait is ancestral does not mean that all further derived members of a group are guaranteed to have it

[late swallow]

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2997786/

[hollow furnace]

All opossums are in the americas

[quick ore]

i never said that

[steep tulip]

Just specified since some marsupials in australia are also referred to as possums

[quick ore]

opossums = american
possums = australasian

[steep tulip]

Oh damn
Always thought it was just a dialect thing lol

Quokkas are also thrichromatic

It seems macropoda as a whole has it considering wallabies have very colorful as well

[late swallow]

There's like a handful of described marsupial trichromats

Which is why I stated I wouldn't call it common

[steep tulip]

Yeah
All belonging to different families

It seems reasonable to me to assume others have it as well considering the range of coloration they showcase is decently similar

[quick ore]

it isn't like every marsupial has been tested for this, and most marsupials we have tested have proven to be trichromats

so it is likely more widespread than we currently know

[autumn plover]

Good point, it’s almost as though being a mini exhibit completely negates that issue!

[flint sable]

yesnt

I personally use them interchangeably, and a lot of other people do too when reffering to them, but there technically is a correct and incorrect way

[steep tulip]

Oh I see

[late swallow]

they're pronounced more or less the same, but the O is what matters

[shell sonnet]

I actually do know people who pronounce the 'O' in opossum

[late swallow]

Inch resting

[digital pendant]

Most crazy colored reptiles are quite small

The larger the reptile the more grounded they get

Same thing with birds (with very few exceptions like flamingos but that is diet induced)

[shell sonnet]

I would have gone with cassowaries as the "big" bird with bright colors

Even if it's not the full body

[digital pendant]

Even then it is localized and if you know how "blue" works then it is more of an illusion of brightness

Its not proper blue, just looks like it is

For all intents and purposes

This is a drab animal

And in the shade of the forests it lives in, the blue shades of the neck will blend really well

[hollow furnace]

I mean it is blue, it’s just blue by a different mechanism then pigmentation

The same way the sky is blue

[digital pendant]

Yes

Thats why i put blue in quotations

[shell sonnet]

I could have mentioned male indian peafowls, but I don't really consider them "big"

[late swallow]

I wouldn't either

[digital pendant]

Peafowls are an oddity and males do have a high mortality rate for being too flamboyant

So thats the price they pay

[late swallow]

Somewhere between a large rooster and a turkey

Display structures are really cool

[shell sonnet]

About 4 kg, which is the size of the greater flamingo.

[steep tulip]

this is true as well

but I still feel like dinosaurs would have had on average more intricate patterns compared to mammals of the same size (even if they used duller colors than reptiles and birds nowadays)

[digital pendant]

doubt it

if anything they probably played more with how scales can transition to different shades of color more easily

take for example this Iguana I took a photo the other day

from afar you might think is just green, but when you look closely you can see how the scales have a more intricate arrange of colors than what it might seem

and overall different tones across the body

also Iguanas unlike a lot of reptiles are proper herbivores and imo, along tortoises and ground birds, the best analogues for non-avian non-carnivorous dinosaurs

[left spear]

Also crocs

They are all very tame, the most stricking one is probably Cuvier's and even then it's still very tame

[digital pendant]

i was referring to non carnivorus dinosaurs

crocs, large monitors, and predatory birds are great refs for predatory non-avian dinosaurs

[silver steeple]

Tomistoma spino......

[digital pendant]

spinosaurids in general I can see having some random striking colors here and there because of their diet high in fish

[silver steeple]

Mhm

Especially on their head crest I would think

[slim flare]

You’re supposed to

uh-pos-sum

[ancient ibex]

Spinosaurus in particular has massive billboards on its back that wouldn't really influence much how fish under the surface perceive it, so it is one megatheropod I can see going full flamboyant; other megatheropods would do with their headgear and be more subdued. And, of course, greens can work as camouflage in scaly animals in a world where megafauna is tetrachromat rather than dichromat

But yeah, patterns and high contrasts fade in larger animals

Honestly, I am quite excited for the Stegosaurus scutelings, to see what kind of pattern they bring to the table hehe

[civic terrace]

Not SUPER prehistoric, but I don't care. She's extinct and did live during the Pleistocene as well.

[lean hound]

okay.. but what actually is it

[steep tulip]

Bennu heron

Its known from a single bone and it's validity its disputed tho

And most likely it wasn't getting that big

[late swallow]

Would just be nice to be told what it is instead of just an image next time ^w^

[shell sonnet]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennu_heron

That's not much to go on

[steep tulip]

This is all we have

And egyptian depictions don't matter because they didn't really size things consistently

For reference
The one on the left is a smallish stork and the one on the right is a goliath heron
From what we have, it seems to be bigger than the goliath, but it also would be nowhere near the size a lot of depictions seems to give it

[late swallow]

So, what it looks to me (just based on size of the distal head) that it was maybe a bit bigger than the Goliath, but likely not by much?

[shell sonnet]

Specifically, this stork, which reaches heights of one and a half meters

[late swallow]

Herons are cool

The green heron

[steep tulip]

Saddle billed stork
Here they have have a different name I had to search it up lol

Also even if it was as long as the stork one (already unlikely) it would still end up shorter because the tarsusmetatarsus in herons is shorter than it is in storks

[buoyant zenith]

That is a downright cowboy you got there. Get that stork a cowboy hat.

He gonna bring the cows home.

Aerial cowboy, the first of his kind. Nips from above, no potential collateral damage.

[late swallow]

I'd see it maybe reaching where the label for 15 is?

[steep tulip]

Yeah possibly
Which is also could be within the range for both goliaths and I think grey herons as well (tho way more rarely)
So nothing truly crazy

[ancient ibex]

Giant marabous could be fun ttbt

[steep tulip]

That I could get behind

I believe they lived with the dwarf stegodon species

[tulip umbra]

Huh, i thought we had plenty of remains from the bennu heron because they were buried with mummies etc

Perhaps i was thinking of something else

[left spear]

I mean tbh if we have Panthera (don't get me wrong i love panthera) i don't see why this would be off the table

Filler for sure but It could be fun filler

[shell sonnet]

How about the fact we have almost nothing of it

[quick ore]

There's so many extinct cenozoic birds to choose from and you want to choose a species that barely has a bone to its name?

[buoyant zenith]

Whelp, that’s their choice. And this is a wish list anyways where any species, likely or unlikely can be suggested.

[slim flare]

It’s probably not even valid

What’s its diagnostic trait? Somewhat large?

[quick ore]

ofc it is their choice but it isn't like choices are immune to criticism about them, otherwise all this channel would be would be listing species we want without any further discussion

[shell sonnet]

Like I don't care for the suggestion of Leptoptilos robustus but there's actually some decent remains of it and something worth discussing here
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.220435

The big question is whether it's flightless or not

[slim flare]

Flores pack

[quick ore]

Flores pack scares me because it will lead to people clamoring for That species to get added

[slim flare]

It must

[quick ore]

wh

no we

we do Not need hobbits

[hollow furnace]

Sounds like what someone who needs hobbits would say

[slim flare]

Florians scampering through your park

[median relic]

I mean I could see smaller ones having bolder colors

[silver steeple]

If your immediate thought of ancient Flores is the like one homo sp that lived there, that's more of a you problem (using the general you here, not specifying anyone in particular)

[digital pendant]

define small

[median relic]

like around this size

[late swallow]

Puntable size

[median relic]

in my mind if they were smaller and/or closer to aves then they might be more colorful? But idk

[median relic]

cookable

[quick ore]

I meannnnn, is it wrong to say it is the most well known species of ancient Flores?

[late swallow]

Tastes like chicken

[quick ore]

like I'm pretty sure people are more aware of it than anything else from there

[silver steeple]

Purely because the "marketing" around it was that they were irl Hobbits

[quick ore]

even the giant stork is only well known because of how it likely preyed on said Homo sp

[silver steeple]

Which coinsided with the movies releasing

[median relic]

at the same time I guess they could've been more drab with little areas of color like ungulates of similar size

[silver steeple]

But I was specifically meaning in a zoo game context

I see that I didn't make that clear though, so my b on that

[quick ore]

its ok

[late swallow]

Huh, neat, frugivore Varanus

[digital pendant]

probably not super flashy, keep in mind most bright birds are either tiny, can fly, have a very specific diet, or an extreme case of dimorphism (peafowls)

most ground birds around the size of the hypsi arent that flashy, though well camouflaged for sure

[shell sonnet]

or concentrated on a small part of the body

[median relic]

true

[ancient ibex]

Still, female green peafowls still retain the bright colors of the male, and, once again, camouflage may have worked differently if the predators could tell orange from green, as most reptiles and birds can but most mammals cannot; camouflage versus mammalian predators could be different than camouflage versus theropods after all

That said, contrast would be a nope on small herbivores I assume, unless they broke their silouette that way

But green scales would have more positive selection than an equivalent would have today, I believe; still, leave intricate patterns to displaying males with a harem-based group

[tame thorn]

I feel like cassowaries break this code with their flashy head.

[ancient ibex]

Cassowaries are larger than the predators in their environment

[digital pendant]

also when I say colorful is the whole body

not just a part of it

because like i said, cassowaries are drab animals for 90% of their body, and that can camouflage with their environment without issues

[digital pendant]

oh yeah for sure, even then the females with some slight color in them can camouflage because its not flamboyant

[tame thorn]

Some colourful ones : Night parrot, brush turkey, lyrebird, Bowerbird, purple swamphen, Indian ringneck, nicobar pigeon, southern ground hornbill, helmeted guineafowl, takahe.

[digital pendant]

a lot of the ones you mention fly

or are tiny

[tame thorn]

They are all birds that are mostly ground dwellers however

And nest on the ground

[flint sable]

male ostriches can get pretty colorful in their necks

pretty bright red or in the case of somali ostriches, blueish grey

not particularly bright but still pretty cool

[digital pendant]

man i gotta be more descriptive

when I said colorful is when people draw triceratops like a macaw

that type of colorful

[tame thorn]

Ohh

[flint sable]

oh yeah nah thats unreasonable

[digital pendant]

not that the neck is red and the rest black

no

as in all extremely bright

[tame thorn]

I understand

[flint sable]

although saying that I think it could work for like fully grown adult sauropods since they had basically nothing that can touch them so they could afford to be extremely bright

[digital pendant]

god no

color takes resources to produce

[flint sable]

I dont think its likely at all lmao but it could be a possibility at the very least

[digital pendant]

i dont even think is a possibility

its too outlandish

for the whole body ofc

[flint sable]

more justified than putting it on an animal thats getting actively hunted very often

[flint sable]

100%

[digital pendant]

even then if you are a large animal that can get weak through sickness and injuries, i dont think being a giant billboard of multiple colors will help at all

[tame thorn]

It seems the larger things get, the less colourful they become going by irl animals. Giraffes even with their markings are still brownish

[flint sable]

very true

[flint sable]

indeed

[digital pendant]

there are a range of colors that are easy to produce

browns are common because of it

among most land animals, aquatic animals is a whole different realm

[tame thorn]

Red gene is easy to produce

[digital pendant]

brown is also a color that comes from other colors

comes from reds, oranges, yellows, greens

[tame thorn]

Doesn't it all derive from the same gene TYRP1?

[digital pendant]

idk, i dont know with such level of detail

[flint sable]

makes me wonder

whats the default color?

white?

see through?

and if so I imagine most if not all animals before sight became common were probably the same basic color

[tame thorn]

Black is the default for eumalenin, red for phaeomelanin

[digital pendant]

pinkish seems to be the case as seen in albinos since thats with no pigments whatsoever

which makes sense since thats the color of the inside of vertebrates, reds

[late swallow]

morbid but funny

[digital pendant]

for some reptiles it can look yellowish but i assume its because the scales reflect the light so they look more "yellow"

[tame thorn]

Browns can appear green/purple in shadow or red/orange in light. Which is probably why it's such a default colour as it can provide good camouflage by using light/shadow

[ancient ibex]

Thickened keratin takes a yellowish hue; relatively easy to see in human heels hehe

Still, structural color is color, no need to reduce discusion of it to pigmentation

Carotenoids may also have it easier to get into scales and feathers than into hair

As I don't think many mammals use them the way reptiles do

And, again, reddish tones are common because most megafauna today are dichromatic mammals which dont differentiate reds and greens, while reptiles as a rule are tetrachromats with cone cells for red, green, blue AND ultraviolet; can see more pressure for greenish tones than in modern ecosystems, and those are relatively simple for reptiles, combining yellow carotenoids from their diet with blue structural color

But that's not a macaw Triceratops, oh no

[desert flame]

Fan art of an Austroraptor has been posted reddit, and I think it's a design that could actually appear in the game.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pkgame/comments/1ojd3bw/as_a_follow_up_to_my_last_post_heres_an/

[left spear]

Honestly that skin rocks

[slim flare]

Can I get uh Nanotyrannus

[hollow furnace]

no

[golden canopy]

Just use a juvenile T-Rex

[slim flare]

no

[desert flame]

We are alredy get Nanotyranus.

[quick ore]

it come with eggroll

[frosty heron]

wouldve agreed with this in The Old Days but it might have looked somewhat different so

instead we wait for dryptosaurus and use a juvenile of that /j

[median relic]

dwarf

tyrant

[late swallow]

i am awaiting the paper to make a decision

[inner wedge]

the trifecta of tyrannosauroids that will trigger #1360542295228944414

nanuqsaurus

dryptosaurus

nanotyrannus

[late swallow]

nanuq my beloved

[slim flare]

Nanotyrannus triggers no one know

[golden canopy]

How do you know it's coming?

[frosty heron]

I do not know

but I would like it

[faint oak]

Nanotyrannus

Bottom text

[inner wedge]

pk devs are gonna feel real silly bout their statement made during u14's development

[slim flare]

Nanotyrannus with its 100% complete skeleton and skin impressions

[steep tulip]

The cosmos smiled back at nanotyrannus after years of being denied

[lean hound]

this is actually really good looking

I like the spots on the tail fan & arm feathers

[quick ore]

Nanotyrannus has quickly become my most wanted Mesozoic Theropod and I'm not even joking

[short rover]

Meh

It’s cool it’s back but there’s so many other cooler ones imo

[quick ore]

Nanotyrannus basically has villain status as a genus

the heel of Hell Creek

[short rover]

If we get another tyrannosauroid I’d want Alberto ofc and then yuty followed by maybe an alioramine

Nano is cool (especially if it’s a dryptosaur) but it’s further down the list for me

[hollow furnace]

Nano is like my sixth in line in terms of tyrannosauroids

[steep tulip]

Agreed
Alberto stays ontop

[short rover]

Alberto/gorgo

[quick ore]

i forgot Alberto still aint in game

I still want Nano tho

[hollow furnace]

Yuty, Magaraptor of some sort, Alberto, Alio, Guan, then Nano

[short rover]

A bunch of well known mid sized carnivores aren’t in

Alberto, bary, carno, allo etc

Will be good when they get filled out

[frosty heron]

Imho all the "good pick" tyrannosauroids (basically just what's been mentioned plus drypto) are all approx in the same "tier" with megaraptorans a bit higher

like give me any two or three and ill be entirely happy

[quick ore]

ok but truly Nano has come in with the steel chair and at least risen to the top 10 most wanted mesozoic theropods yes?

[frosty heron]

very wanted for sure

[plush nacelle]

Theropods as a whole?

[short rover]

Nope

[plush nacelle]

Definitely not

[short rover]

Not for me at least

Not rlly that close tbh

[outer crater]

If nano is added, wouldn't they have to remodel the adolescent rex?

[slim flare]

Not theropods as a whole

But like top 5 Tyrannosaur

[hollow furnace]

no

[lean hound]

why is there a discussion about nano in this channel and science chat

[frosty heron]

nano is everywhere

[hollow furnace]

because one is a discussion about nano as a thing and one is about nano as a PK addition

[short rover]

Because we’re talking abt wether it would be a good pick for the game

[plush nacelle]

So many animals to add before it ....

[slim flare]

Because He has risen

[lean hound]

good point

[slim flare]

We live in a post-Nanotyrannus world

[outer crater]

Nanotyrannus is basically already in game

[slim flare]

Nope!

[quick ore]

the date is currently 0 AN (After Nanotyrannus)

[frosty heron]

amazing sentence

[slim flare]

I think Nanotyrannus beats Alioramus

Actually has a described adult and is outside Tyrannosauridae

[steep tulip]

Yeah but alioramus got a funny skull shape so I keep my agenda up and running

[quick ore]

more like Alio-lame-us

[wary nacelle]

Here me out we get Halzkaraptor but it’s skin is based on a blue footed booby

Fire

[hollow flower]

Im on team Alioramus

[wicked flower]

We need Columbian Mammoths for Update 16

[plush nacelle]

Mammoth in vivarium

[wicked flower]

Thats just the Wooly Mammoth...

[late swallow]

The unconfirmed species are all vivarium species

[short rover]

U16 is all vivarium animals and the columbian mammoth was spotted on a “post ea idea list” teased by the devs which imo makes it unlikely it’s coming in early access at all

[steep tulip]

Yall don't see the vision

[wary nacelle]

I desperately hope the fish eating one is halz but that’s far fetched

[short rover]

I’m guessing it’s the semi aquatic mammal

[plush nacelle]

The amount of water in vivarium is still interesting to me

I assume it is meant for more aquatic critters like tiktaalik, which would swim most of the time

[wary nacelle]

Didelphodon?

[short rover]

Could be

[shell sonnet]

We don't know but take a guess
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1F-sJITBp8YM7yTzwFtULWYcKgjCoPDy8oCd0tpWvmfU/edit#responses

[wary nacelle]

Ooh I have a good idea for a vivarium animal

Parvicursor

[shell sonnet]

If we're getting Mononkyus, and that seems likely, then no, that one's not needed

[outer crater]

Do you guys think vivarium animals could have alts? Technically Archaeopteryx is like an alt of Microraptor

[steep tulip]

No alts

[short rover]

No

[autumn plover]

Im a bit late to the conversation, while the Nanotyrannus information is cool I’d still say that Albertosaurus and Yutyrannus are ahead in terms of priority

I’d also put Guanlong above it as it’s an actual small theropod, which the game is lacking, plus being an animal that was previously planned

[short rover]

I agree

[late swallow]

Guan would be wonderful

[autumn plover]

Guan is criminally ignored when talking about Tyrannosauroids

We need more small animals, the Tyrannosaurs are kind of famous for humble beginnings, so Guan is really relevant.

I consider Albertosaurus/Yutyrannus/Guanlong to be the golden trio of actually necessary Tyrannosauroids, everything else is just a nice addition

[tulip umbra]

I think most people just forget proceratosauridae is part tyrannosauroidea

Which is not helped by the very deceiving name

[autumn plover]

Yeah true

[chilly zenith]

has nanotyrannus been proposed here yet

[autumn plover]

Yes

[chilly zenith]

good

[autumn plover]

Whenever a debate on Tyrants is held everyone agrees on Albertosaurus and Yutyrannus, but Guanlong hardly ever gets mentioned

[steep tulip]

I rarely talk about the 2 groups together since they are pretty different animals all things considered
Same with megaraptors

Kinda like comparing megalosaurus to baryonyx

[calm sedge]

I'm not sure where to put this, so..are they gonna give the triceratops species quills? They found a muffied one that suggested they might have, and looked like this. Maybe as an alt skin?

Mummified*

[hollow furnace]

they didn't have quills

They have "nipple scales" which the triceratops already has in game

[calm sedge]

Ah, alright.

[buoyant zenith]

I think there’s too many palaeontology terms that have to do with nipples.

It just feels wrong.

[slim flare]

Don’t lift up your shirt

[buoyant zenith]

Starting with nipple teeth.

[late swallow]

Cope's Nipple

[coarse inlet]

I love Alioramus but... idk

[buoyant zenith]

Did y’all watch Ben G Thomas and so that’s where we got here?

[late swallow]

Huh

I watched Ben's last vid, but actually looked at the paper today

[buoyant zenith]

Y’all were talking Nanotyrannus and Alioramus so that’s why I brought that up.

[late swallow]

Every chat was blowing up bc the paper

[buoyant zenith]

Honestly, it pisses me off how nothing in these damn bones can provide concrete evidence of one thing.

Like, WHY????

[late swallow]

Wdym

The paper is pretty convincing

100% skeletally complete, integument preservation

About as cut and dry as we can get with science

[buoyant zenith]

No. Not that I don’t believe, just up until now how come we haven’t been able to get to that. But again, all I can do is scream at fossilization.

[late swallow]

Validates N. lancensis, sets out sp. nov. lethaeus, and even erects Nanotyrannidae

[late swallow]

Age old assumptions, and shoddy citations

[buoyant zenith]

They probably weren’t even the proper APA. Or whatever is most commonly used for paleontology citations.

[late swallow]

The formatting was fine

[buoyant zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/were-they-asking-really-thinking-fabulously-video-reaction-gif-14557668

Anyways, I actually can’t believe how many reclassifications in the last few years we’ve had. I mean, did y’all hear about the giraffe species reclassification?

[coarse inlet]

Though if one of their phylo results bears out then I’d think Nanotyrannidae would be a junior synonym of Dryptosauridae

[late swallow]

In passing, but I also don't care about giraffes

[late swallow]

I'd take it to have it be true

Because that would be super cool

[coarse inlet]

Fr

Also Dryptosauridae is a better name anyway

[proper raven]

because the bones now are actually looked into more detail than just being handwaved as "ontogeny"

also the Dueling Dinos fossil was only recently available for study, so alot of traits diagnostic with Nano was kinda gatekept there since it was in private hands until like last year

[slow shoal]

the bones are undeinable, its that people didnt actually look at them

[proper raven]

^

[slow shoal]

for example Nano's sinus cavity is entirely different than rex

[proper raven]

also there wasnt a consistent ontogenic model back then beyond "this thing looks small, and some specimens are immature"

sinuses, tooth count, extra finger, and DD Nano being a mature adult points it to being distinct

[slow shoal]

its insane to say otherwise

[proper raven]

and the models of it being distinct and not just ontogeny is consistent with living crocs we see today

otherwise the Chinese alligator would be considered a juvenile of another larger species

[buoyant zenith]

Me if I was there:

[proper raven]

also i didnt watch Ben G Thomas for the past few months

[buoyant zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/glasses-bubbles-trailer-park-boys-goober-gif-12960922054276230522

[proper raven]

just watched Skeleton Crew's vid on it, and beforehand the summarization of it in Twitter by the author himself

both are made by the same person, being the author of said paper that is

[buoyant zenith]

I only got back into watching some stuff tonight. I go through a period of when I watch certain channels, stop, then go back.

PBS Eons is the one that started me off.

[proper raven]

i actually forgot Ben G made a nano vid before the paper came out

[coarse inlet]

co-author, let's not forget Dr. Zanno

[outer moth]

Not happening
That ain't a vivarium critter

Every animal for U16 will be a vivarium critter

[shell sonnet]

If this was a Victorian zoo sim, then yes, I could see an elephant being put into a vivarium

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, Nanotyrannidae is the iffiest part of the paper; if clading with Dryptosaurus, Dryptosauridae is already in usage for Drypto > Tyranno, and has 135 years of priority. The arguments for not using it don't really stand well.

So, Lancian Dryptosaurid, cool stuff

[shell sonnet]

I thought only one of the matrixes grouped Nano and Drypto together

[ancient ibex]

(So is Dryptosaurid Appalachiosaurus, which I argued not long ago about never being found that way; neat stuff this new topology)

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, but when Nano is grouped with Drypto, Dryptosauridae has priority

[hollow furnace]

Dryptosaurus is a Lancian dryptosaurid

[sharp plinth]

welcome back nanotyrannus

[shell sonnet]

I don't remember that being stated

[ancient ibex]

Temporal-wise, yeah, but I believe Lancian applies explicity to the faunal stage in Laramidia

[hollow furnace]

Oh right

[ancient ibex]

Cool stuff this week, with the Ojo Alamo timeframing going on as well

[buoyant zenith]

The important thing to know about Dryptosaurus is that it has more drip than any of us can ever hope to have.

[ancient ibex]

Oh yeah

Good to see we have a finer idea of what these were compared to a week ago

[buoyant zenith]

Who knows, maybe we will be witness to more clarifications of famous fossils in the next few decades, let alone in the next few years.

[toxic oriole]

Well now that Nanotyrannus has become valid once again, it should be added BUT...
Get Dryptosaurus with them too

I guess

🤷‍♀️

[short rover]

It as a drypto alt would be awesome

[shell sonnet]

Better have it the other way around

[short rover]

Idc either way

[shell sonnet]

Nano is more complete and would sell better

Assuming of course they are closely related enough

[hollow furnace]

Lancensis, letheaus, Drypto would be nice far down the road

But I’m not desperate for it

[slim flare]

I see no reason for Drypto

[short rover]

I agree

[plush nacelle]

There is so much water

I wonder how aquatic mammal will be

[left spear]

Basilosaurus

[steep tulip]

Its for the ghost diplocaulus

It doesn't add another slot because it's ghost so technically still 9

[short rover]

Are we getting 9 or 10 animals

Does anyone know

[shell sonnet]

Best to assume 9

[plush nacelle]

Patreon says 9

Not patreon

Log

[short rover]

Got it

[hollow furnace]

Seems to be 9

[sinful coyote]

always allow for surprises but keep expectations at 9

[steep tulip]

Truth

[frosty torrent]

Stagonolepis

[steep tulip]

Was this the guy with the armored cloaca

[faint oak]

It would be so cool

I’m honestly not like, clamouring for nano as soon as possible yaknow

Just cause there’s still a bunch of stuff on it that’s in the works

Like the skin impressions

But it is DEFINITELY something that I would fucking love to see them tackle

And as a longtime Drypto enjoyer getting it alongside the nanos would be so damn good

Regardless of how the family tree shapes out they seem similar enough to be convincing alts

N. lancensis, N. lethaeus, Drypto power hour

[left spear]

Those would be perfect for a Cretaceous NA dlc

[left spear]

The main carnivorous course of the pack

[faint oak]

Appalachi is also a cool critter that could tag along

[faint oak]

Real

Could even get away with putting em in like, an islands pack

Since both Appalachia and Laramidia were islands

And could help prop up the pack with nano’s name appeal

[late swallow]

builtin codpiece

[late swallow]

"Nano is more complete" shouldn't be an argument. we literally just got a 100% complete skeleton. obviously, its more complete

[steep tulip]

Flashback to that piece

I swear it's the same freaky ass person drawing these

[last thistle]

Please

[faint oak]

They ment that Drypto should be based off of Nano’s model if they were alts because nano is more complete

[late swallow]

My point will stand as a general point then

[silver steeple]

No, that's Typothorax

[steep tulip]

Idk what this guy could offer then than other aetosaurs couldn't

[shell sonnet]

...
...

I'm not sure what kind of point you're making

[buoyant zenith]

Really cool that not only do we get Nanotyrannus confirmed but also a brand new species!

[ancient ibex]

Non-tyrannosaurid Tyrannosauroid in the Lancian biota is clear cut proven, but there is still work to be done to sort material out now that we know that; the Dryptosaurid hypothesis is compelling as well, but now we'd have 3 of those living at the end of the Maastrichian, so gotta sort out how they relate to each other, and more Appalachian stuff would help

Between this new specimen and the original Drypto we are getting a good idea of how the adults looked, as Jane was still growing

Will laugh my ass off if we end up with Dryptosaurus lancensis lol

[buoyant zenith]

Just send out all the paleo enthusiasts into the Appalachians with armoured trucks, shovels, and everything. Let’s go find more fossils!

[median relic]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-агаповерил-gif-27009975

jk at this point I'm open to almost anything

[ancient ibex]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Egypt_Formation Drypto comes from marine deposits it seems tho

Not dwarves in any case, just not giants

[buoyant zenith]

May I present this as a new wish list dino of mine: https://www.reuters.com/resizer/v2/WGX6AZ7K4VPQ3LLPMWNYEUNQCQ.jpg?auth=30ea6d860120e0fd6d2479cfe6ec045d9c328ce156e50a1ac3dac0215d981a0e&height=2400&width=1920&quality=80&smart=true

Spicomellus.

[hollow furnace]

the spikysaurus

[buoyant zenith]

Spikiest anky.

[slim flare]

The second greatest paleontological find of 2025

So far 🤞

[buoyant zenith]

Bro really said I am the precedent. None the others can touch.

Literally and figuratively.

[quick ore]

is it just me or has this year been really backloaded compared to other years in terms of groundbreaking finds

[slim flare]

Idk, Homotherium cub was last year

[quick ore]

that's what I mean

like the first half of 2025 wasn't very eventful

[flint sable]

I mean there was Duonychus

but other than that yeah not much

Homotherium biggest find of 2024 definitely

[quick ore]

that's not on the level of Nanotyrannus or the major finds of other years

[flint sable]

2025 it will almost certainly be Nanotyrannus

[flint sable]

IMO the homotherium cub is more groundbreaking than nanotyrannus validity

[slim flare]

Pfff

[quick ore]

I feel like Nano is a bit above the cub because of how much history is behind it

[slim flare]

I wouldn’t be so sure

[flint sable]

true, it is a bit early to call it

hasnt even been a week yet

[quick ore]

like the cub dropped out of nowhere but Nanotyrannus has had literal decades of anticipation

[flint sable]

very true

I could also just have pleistocene bias, but I think finding an entire intact corpse of a lineage with no close living relatives is very very interesting IMO

[slim flare]

*carcass

[flint sable]

beat out second place with Coelodonta by several million years

[slim flare]

Corpses are humans and near-humans smh

Idk why people have started using it wrong in the last few years

[flint sable]

I mean language do be fluid but yeah u right

[slim flare]

I see no benefit to mixing them up

[flint sable]

terminology aside, I think that that factor alone makes it more interesting to me at least, and more relevant to general paleontology

[slim flare]

I mean Bloody Mary is 98% complete

[flint sable]

if we are just considering mesozoic shit though nanotyrannus might be like the best thing within the past decade ngl

[slim flare]

And has skin impressions, although they’re not discussed yet

[flint sable]

dont quote me on that, but its a possibility

would need to wait more ofc to figure that out completely because recency bias

[steep tulip]

yall aint ready

2026, elasmotherium mummy (hornful)

last stegosaur, 2027

thats it, that how science peaks

[quick ore]

how are you forgetting the rediscovery of giant fossas

[steep tulip]

Well potentially from what I've read but yes, that's pretty insane in its own right

As stated by the blog, this animal might be critically endangered or straight up extinction, but I have hope, I have cope, the thought of someone finding this kind of animal still alive and taking a photo of it it's just too amazing

[slim flare]

Lmao, what?

[quick ore]

I am saying it will happen in the future and be bigger than those other future discoveries

[slim flare]

Giant fossa aren’t even confirmed to be a valid taxon

[quick ore]

did you not read Darren's blogpost

[slim flare]

No

Where is it?

[median relic]

that's gonna be insane if true

[median relic]

https://tetzoo.com/blog/2025/10/29/the-amazing-giant-black-fossa

[slim flare]

Oh

[quick ore]

he literally teases that there is some news related to this at the very end

[flint sable]

indeed

out of all the extinct malagasy species C. spelea got the best chance to be rediscovered IMO but theres increasing evidence that a surprising ammount of species held on untill like

the 1700s and 1800s

so I wonder if theres a possibility any other than the Giant Fossa still survive

probably not

[flint sable]

mostly eyewitness accounts tbf, but even the most recent subfossil remains are pretty consistently in the early 1600s at the latest

dependent on the species ofc, elephant birds were quite a bit earlier

[steep tulip]

Monkey lemurs
Not based on evidence or anything, this is my solid vibe based analysis

[flint sable]

my honest guess is Voay

apparently there was actually a skin collected at some point in the 1800's by a french guy which is lowkey insane

[steep tulip]

How inland were voays

[flint sable]

might just blend in with nile crocodiles in madagascar

[flint sable]

inland

[steep tulip]

If I'm being honest giant fossas are probably the only species I can possible see being still living

[flint sable]

remains were found inland in southernish madagascar

[quick ore]

there is one other

the Kisoala

[flint sable]

probably

[steep tulip]

Voay not sure, feel like we would have found something by this point

[quick ore]

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/379049257_Late_survivors_Traditional_ecological_knowledge_and_the_timing_of_extinction_of_Madagascar's_large-bodied_Holocene_vertebrates

look at this

[flint sable]

although I do think that if the eyewitness accounts have credence, that a vast majority of them survived far later than even the most recent dates of 1600's in the bone record indicate, possibly around the late 1700's to early 1800s for a lot of species

elephant birds are lowkey the exception as we pretty solidly know they were dead by 1400 at the latest

[quick ore]

read this and the poster I sent above

[flint sable]

hippopotami could make sense as they have some of the most recent accounts as recent as the 1970's but I feel like out of everything other than elephant birds they would be the most painfully obvious for us to find

crocodillians, fossas, and lemurs at the very least have similar looking animals to blend in with / be mistakenly identified, but not hippos

[slim flare]

Although interesting, I caution these things

[median relic]

yooo

[slim flare]

Everyone knows how incredibly unreliable eyewitnesses are

[quick ore]

the kisoala is said to be elusive because it rests in the highest trees during the day and only comes down at night

[steep tulip]

The poster does say it lived until quite recently
At least we have evidence of it

[flint sable]

I buy that

sounds like tree kangaroos

[quick ore]

there are multiple for the Kisoala from a specific region in Madagascar

[flint sable]

although I would say madagascar is a bit more populated and well explored than Papua New Guinea is, but still, I think its a possibility

[slim flare]

Multiple what?

[quick ore]

and the researchers here take extra precautions when talking to the locals to prevent biases

[quick ore]

sightings/accounts of seeing them within the past 100 years

[slim flare]

I mean but how many sasqautch eyewitness accounts are there?

[quick ore]

They aren't being sighted by people with smartphones or cameras

[slim flare]

This is certainly interesting and should be looked into, but without physical evidence I would not consider these accounts reliable.

[quick ore]

these are rural indigenous malagasy living in the forests decades ago

[median relic]

imagine how funny it would be if PK added some holocene island species only for it to still be alive 💀

[slim flare]

Would go hard

[flint sable]

https://books.google.com/books?id=Om87AQAAMAAJ&lr=&source=gbs_navlinks_s

heres the citation for that btw, I think its from the same paper as that poster from above is actually

[steep tulip]

Saddening

[quick ore]

wtf happened to it?

[slim flare]

What happens to all cryptozoological physical evidence

It fades to legend

(There’s actually a handful of physical cryptozoological evidence that still exists but no one cares to even look at it)

[flint sable]

AHA

I FOUND IT

the paper anyway

heres the exact quotation

[flint sable]

One reported Voay robustus (skin, skull, and skeleton of a full adult) from Lake Alaotra, shipped to the natural history museum in Paris in the late 1800s, was catalogued and then described by Vaillant and Grandidier (Reference Vaillant and Grandidier1910).

[median relic]

so reading that- if.. big IF this is true: Pachylemur was a red eyed screaming creature

[slim flare]

Described? Where’s the paper?

[quick ore]

Ok but I am just saying that if any other subfossil species from Madagascar is still alive that isn't the giant fossa, it's the Kisoala

[flint sable]

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/cambridge-prisms-extinction/article/patterns-of-late-holocene-and-historical-extinctions-on-madagascar/1ECC0DA3436B4E3F51584058694F2F8B

this is the paper the quote above is from

[quick ore]

which I truly hope is still alive because an even larger extant lemur would be amazing

[flint sable]

and here is the book it was actually quoting

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Histoire_naturelle_des_reptiles/Om87AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0

[quick ore]

yeah and what is fascinating is that this matches the behavior of ruffed lemurs

[median relic]

holocene island extinctions are like the only "cryptids" I'll even consider buying, if you even want to call them that

• those supposed big dragonfish

[flint sable]

Valiant and Grandidier 1910

[quick ore]

also can we appreciate how cool the name "Kisoala" is

literally means "Knife of the Forest"

[median relic]

isn't it possible it was just a really bad account of one of them-

[quick ore]

well no because these accounts are from people who regularly see regular ruffed lemurs

[median relic]

also, it having sharp claws is curious...

[slim flare]

This is written in Black Speech

[median relic]

primates don't really have "claws"

[median relic]

I guess so yeah

[steep tulip]

French? 😭

[flint sable]

french paper, immediately invalidated argument

[steep tulip]

From the few paragraphs I can read, it seems to say that it's skull was quite different from the nile crocodiles

[quick ore]

what

the sightings never mention sharp claws

[steep tulip]

But I can only see it talking about its teeth and mouth, there might be a mention of the horns but as I said, it's just the preview

[flint sable]

I mean

statistically speaking what are the odds its still in the collection

[flint sable]

and has just been collecting dust for some 130 years

[quick ore]

oh my b

[median relic]

that is straight up where the name kisoala comes from

[median relic]

so whatever these "claws" are must've been a major feature

[flint sable]

and never bothered to look, its happened before

[steep tulip]

Maybe not too unlikely ngl
Considering how many artificats get lost

[flint sable]

exactly

[quick ore]

no?

[flint sable]

possible it got categorized as a different crocodile and faded into obscurity somewhere in the collection

[quick ore]

it says the Knife name comes from its sharp call piercing through the forest

[median relic]

"Its claws are sharp and its call as loud as thunder; this is why the animal is called kisoala (kiso = knife, ala =forest)

[quick ore]

they said the call followed by said sound being "like a knife"

[steep tulip]

Its referred to as crocodylus madagascariensis

[slim flare]

I mean Voay has a very fucked skull

[median relic]

ohhh

ok idk that's really weird

[flint sable]

yeah thats the part that wouldnt make sense

the skin I could definitely see getting misplaced but the skull I doubt

[steep tulip]

It's possible they just grouped it together with other crocodile remains

[flint sable]

especially dependent on how close it looked to say, a nile crocodile skin

we cant know since we obviously dont have the skin to look at

[steep tulip]

Does anyone have like the full paragraph I can read

[median relic]

so when they say "kiiiiiing" that's basically describing the sound of a knife moving against something?

[flint sable]

but someone should really take a deep dive into the collection and see what they can find out about that

about crocodile remains from madagascar during the late 1800's

no clue how museum categoriziation works tho

probably isnt that simple

[steep tulip]

Gigarcanum I would say is quite different from other geckos and also was collecting dust with no name no nothing attached to it

[flint sable]

yup

also in a museum in france oddly enough

so I would say its 10000% a possibility its just still there just waiting

even if that doesnt nessicarily mean Voay is alive today, which it almost certainly isnt, survival into the late 19th century is still very intriguing

[flint sable]

it was rediscovered in like

1980's

and almost certainly in there since like 1830 due to the way it was taxidermized but possibly as late as 1870

either way more than 100 years in the collection just collecting dust

[quick ore]

no they are mimicking the sound it made and emphasizing that it was ear-piercing

[median relic]

I know

I mean when they say it's knife like

they're comparing it to that

[steep tulip]

I found the book

Where does it talk about the skin

They talking about the scales

But not sure if it could also refer to the osteoderms

[coarse inlet]

nah, the cub is huge but Nano throws a lot more stuff into question

[safe kestrel]

Nanotreallytyrannus

[steep tulip]

Apparently this is the nile crocodile? Then why does it says its reffered to as voay while the other (c. robustus) is referred to as mamba
I thought mamba was the nile crocodile

[shell sonnet]

What's the question? I'm lost.

Okay, C. madagascariensis is considered a subspecies of C. niloticus, the nile crocodile

[steep tulip]

Whos who
I'm trying to find the paragraph where this book talks about the skin of voay, but I think I confused the 2 and read it wrong since its in french

[shell sonnet]

Mamba is another word for the nile croc, in Swaihili

[steep tulip]

I know, that's why I'm confused
If c. robustus is voay, then why is c. madagascariensis referred to as voay and this one as mamba

I reread it and that what it says

Maybe it changed with time, or they got wrong info and mixed up the 2

Or madagascariensis got lumped into niloticus and the name always referred to robustus

[shell sonnet]

When's the book from. Crocodylus has gone through changes on what gets included doesn't

[steep tulip]

Its a very old book
Like late 1800s

[shell sonnet]

Voay was only given its genera name in 2007

Okay, I would not really put much trust in a book that old

[steep tulip]

True, just made my read more confusing
I think I found the paragraph I was searching for tho, where they talk about the possible skin of robustus

[shell sonnet]

And who knows if that skin actually belonged to robustus

[desert flame]

We need Triassic Pseudosuchia.

[steep tulip]

Voay wouldn't be bad as a species for a RE pack
There's already lots I wanna see, maybe for a possible wave 2

Either voay or hanyusuchus

I hope gigarcanum is the plans as well

[late swallow]

he smile

[plush nacelle]

How many animals RE would need to include voay tbh

[shell sonnet]

??

[plush nacelle]

Even with crazy big 10 animals in pack I struggle to see it making in

[steep tulip]

Its not really well known, but if they feel like adding a reptile its there

[shell sonnet]

Probably not, even if the old RE kickstarter image is no longer indicative of the devs' preferences. I can imagine them feeling that Deinosuchus (which I think is coming but can not say with certainty) already covers the extinct croc role. On the other hand, there's quite a few decent recently extinct megafauna from Madagascar that would work in a pack.

[plush nacelle]

Deinosuchus being the only standard looking croc sounds scary

[shell sonnet]

I personally would be prefer (again assuming that Deinosuchus is coming) a giant tortoise for the RE reptile. We have a fully taxidermied Cylindraspis vosmaeri specimen after all.

This is not saying I don't want Voay and/or Hanyusuchus. I like them as well.

[steep tulip]

That true, a tortoise would go hard as well

[last thistle]

I really hope ceratosaurus is in the game

[desert flame]

Probably,cerato is comming after EA.

[last thistle]

Then if we can somehow get camptosaurus and diplodocus in the game the Morrison would be more or less complete

[desert flame]

yes
Allosaurus and Stegosaurus will be available in Update 17.

[last thistle]

And I’m so excited for it

Right now im making more open Morrison exhibits, I’m excited to make more standalone ones for allosaurus and stegosaurus

[glass snow]

if we get dryptosaurus I hope it gets a leaping laelaps reference animation

[desert flame]

A Madagascar DLC pack would be amazing, including Mesozoic dinosaurs like Majungasaurus and mammals like Megaladapis.

[flint sable]

heres what wikipedia says

so probably robustus

[trail ivy]

We need Archicebus i mean look at this ummm "Cute" fella

[toxic oriole]

Feel like Barosaurus and Supersaurus would work well together

[autumn plover]

Both are below Diplodocus in priority for Morrison sauropods

[toxic oriole]

Still would be nice to see the two in the future

[lean hound]

There should be at least two non morrison sauropods added before any other ones

[steep tulip]

Amargasaurus and nigersaurus

Or amargasaurus and saltasaurus

Tho
Diplo is diplo

[autumn plover]

Once Diplodocus is in I think we’re done with Morrison sauropods tbh

[lean hound]

yeah

[steep tulip]

If I'm guessing both diplo and cerato would come relatively early after ea

[autumn plover]

The Morrison is very saturated, but diplodocus is just iconic

[steep crane]

So Nanotyrannus

Chances of making it into PK?

[steep tulip]

Not low

But not extremely high either imo

It has more chances of making it in than alioramus

As much as it pains me to say it

Tho I feel like alberto it the most likely among the bunch as of rn

[autumn plover]

^

[steep tulip]

Not counting yuty

[autumn plover]

Alberto seems likely

[steep crane]

Alberto/Gorgo is a must.

[autumn plover]

And Yuty

[steep crane]

And Yuty

Alberto/Gorgo, Yuty and Nano.

[autumn plover]

I’d personally prefer Guanlong over Nanotyrannus

Tbh I’d rather we get an actual small theropod than another mid sized Tyrannosoid

[steep crane]

Why not both.

[steep tulip]

They are not fighting for a spot tbh

2 very different animals

[autumn plover]

I mean in a game with limited resources to add everything, every addition is competing

[left spear]

That's literally like comparing Velo and Utah

[autumn plover]

But I’m not going to get into that argument so agree to disagree

[left spear]

Yeah they share a family and general body plan but they don't compete at all for a spot

[steep tulip]

I forgot about nanuq

that still on the table

https://tenor.com/view/white-dog-shaking-scared-nervous-dog-scared-and-shaking-gif-22874221

[left spear]

Nanuq is literally just Alaskan Alberto

10 years ago yeah sure why not but now that Prince creek isn't a polar dwarf formation there's 0 reason to add it

[late swallow]

Dippy would make for good dlc

[short rover]

Closer to Alaskan Daspleto

[ancient ibex]

The one way I accept Nanuk is as a Daspleto alt ttbt

The Nano paper has now 3 trans-Bering dispersal events, plus Tyrannosaurus crossing from Asia, so Alaskan Tyrannosaurids can be Albertosaurs, proto-Aliorams, proto-tyrannosaurins, and outright proto-Tyrannosaurus

[feral cedar]

If added to PK, Nanotyrannus would be one of the most complete species in the game

-# A sentence I never thought I’d say

[slim flare]

Besides the Pleistocene animals

[steep tulip]

Scelidosaurus does it and no one gaf smh

[wary nacelle]

ummm uhhh ummm Micropachycephalosaurus

yeah this is a fire suggestion

[steep tulip]

What a great pick damn

[late swallow]

actually a p solid suggestion. plus its a good pairing with Yi

[steep tulip]

One jaw fragment and a partial hip with some leg bones...this thing is even more complete than nanuqsaurus

To be fr for a second, its not really terrible, esp as a vivarium animal
I feel like there's more complete basal marginocephalian to pick from tho

[wary nacelle]

But like the dinosaur with the longest name and the animal with the shortest name (potentially [very potentially] in the same update) would be pretty peak

[steep tulip]

Would be kinda funny yeah

Tho

Parapropalaehoplophorus is the same length and a viable pick for minis

Just saying

[late swallow]

that's why i mentioned it being a good pairing with Yi- the dinosaurs with the shortest and longest generic names

[shell sonnet]

Micropachy isn't even what it says on the tin, so no.

[flint sable]

I mean

its micro

it also appears to have a thick head

so

small thick headed lizard

yeah that adds up

[shell sonnet]

Technically, it's not micro. Micro-sized would be bacteria.

We don't know if it has a thick head because we haven't found a full skull.

And it's definitely not a lizard

So its name is a complete lie

[steep tulip]

Basilosaurus is by far worse
-King
Basilosaurus most likely wasn't engaging with politics
-lizard
Not a reptile

[shell sonnet]

False, we actually have evidence regarding Basilosaurus's policy from taxation to war. Most of it is just one big tirade about Moeritherium and how its unfair that it can escape by walking

[wary nacelle]

Actually you are false, Basilosaurus was actually very much against monarchies, and favored anarchy much more instead

[autumn plover]

I know I’m late to the convo

But I’m sorry, Nanuq is a meme

That thing should be banished to the shadowrealm

[wary nacelle]

ACTUALLY I would love for kulindadromeus to be a vivarium animal lowkey

[autumn plover]

Pretty much every other Tyrannosauroid takes priority

[reef relic]

Hey if Nano made it, Nanuq can

[autumn plover]

Nano at least has decent material beyond being a jawbone fragment

It’s technically already in-game if you spawn the Trex skeleton lower jaw piece

Hell that’s more than we actually have of Nanuq

[civic terrace]

Sorry, I could've sworn the name was on the image itself.

[late swallow]

i sure hope you're joking

[median relic]

better than decent

literally a full skeleton 💪

[tulip umbra]

I dont get the nanuq love when theres yuty

[median relic]

nanuq really did just ride off of pachyrhinosaurus's popularity

[outer moth]

I looked it up
definitely would fit in the larger vivarium

[autumn plover]

We don’t even know if Nanuq was feathered lol

I would laugh if we find Nanuq skin impressions that show it was scaly

[tulip umbra]

Yuty > Alio/Qianzhou > Albert/Gorgo/Daspleto > Guanlong > Drypto/Nano > Dilong > Tany > Nanuq for tyrannosauroidea

Am i missing any?

[quick ore]

I mean, you're potentially missing Megaraptorans but that is dependant on where they fall on the Coelurosaurian tree

[tulip umbra]

Fair, then Megaraptor/Maip jump straight up to second just behind Yuty imo

[quick ore]

and Australovenator

I feel like it is part of a trio with those other 2 as potential choices

[tulip umbra]

Oh yea, for some reason i thought he was kinda fragmentary but hes actually pretty good for a megaraptorid ofc

[quick ore]

mhm

and like I have said before

he is quite literally the only good option Australia has for a Mesozoic Theropod

[frosty torrent]

Thylacosmilus atrox

[feral cedar]

what a complete and utter bogus argument

I’m not sure what the etymology of an animal has of any relevance in a chat where we discuss potential additions to the game

Ichthyosaurus is not a fish or a lizard, does that count as a point against it?

[quick ore]

yeah like what argument even is this

"Its name is a lie" You know that like 90% of the time people don't actually care about what a prehistoric animal's name Means and only really care about how cool is sounds, right?

As if people wouldn't want Basilosaurus in an aquatic dlc because "Its name doesn't make sense"

[median relic]

by that logic dinosaurs shouldn't be allowed because they're not actually lizards

[quick ore]

literally

[hollow geyser]

What is wrong with the name Basilosaurus?

[proper raven]

sauros means lizard

even tho its a whale

thats it

[buoyant zenith]

Um actually 🤓, I think you mean lizard dolphin.

Honestly though, think I might just want this as the whole zoo:

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-gif-4133321797479779339

[proper raven]

icthys means fish ☝️ 🤓

[low kelp]

Macrauchenia

[proper raven]

[shell sonnet]

It's both

[quick ore]

what is the point you are making

[shell sonnet]

I'm having fun

is that wrong

[quick ore]

it's hard to tell when you are trying to make a serious point vs when you are just joking around

you worded what you said before like it was an actual slight against said species choice

[shell sonnet]

people were having fun with saying that the animal should be included because of its long name, I was just joining in

[desert flame]

Carnivorous marsupials would be great, and I'd love to see more South American mammals.

[quick ore]

not a marsupial

Sparassodonts weren't marsupials

[desert flame]

oh
I don't know about that fact.

However, Thylacosmilus is definitely a mammal that I would like to see added to PK.

[shell sonnet]

It's a Marsupialiform, so it's closer to being a true marsupial than a placental

[digital pendant]

Its close enough tbh, no need to get annoying about semantics

[shell sonnet]

It's a good animal in any case, it's a question of which dig site.

Hmmm.
Epecuén Fm. has Argentavis, but that's an aviary animal.
Ituzaingo doesn't have anything that leaps out but that doesn't mean it's bad, there's still some alt potential like Huayqueriana as a Macrauchenia alt.
Or maybe a generalized Huayquerian based place like what Tokod is for Mammoth steppe.

[quick ore]

I never said it was a placental

just that it isn't a marsupial and shouldn't be called one

they are metatherians

[quick ore]

this isn't being annoying about semantics this is trying to correct outdated terminology

they have been called marsupials for years when they aren't and are a distinct lineage of metatherian mammals

[digital pendant]

Yeah I get it, but also, people who work with them call them marsupials colloquially cause its the closest word to easily describe them

[quick ore]

What? Who does?

Also, that isnt the easiest word to describe them

maybe it is to laymen, but metatherian is literally as easy to say as marsupial

we aren't going around saying that calling pterosaurs dinosaurs is just semantics

Sparassodonts are an entire branch of the metatherian tree that has been lost forever and imo reducing them to just being another group of marsupials diminishes how distinct they were

[ancient ibex]

Stem marsupials

[quick ore]

doesn't mean they are marsupials

[ancient ibex]

More of a marsupial than Simosuchus a croc

[steep tulip]

Talking about crocs and relatives
Can't wait to see the big lad

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, Voay is going to be great

[plush nacelle]

Recently got 3d scanned

Wonder, if devs will take smaller size into consideration now

[ancient ibex]

Voay is lowkey not even the more interesting Osteolamine bwahaha

[flint sable]

?

what happened to Voay?

[plush nacelle]

Deinosuchus I mean

The big lad

[flint sable]

ahhhhhhh ok

[shell sonnet]

True, because last I checked it wasn't one

[flint sable]

I mean iirc deinosuchus is still absolutely massive for a croc

only like 1-2 meters shorter iirc

[ancient ibex]

Then you checked wrong

Consistently an osteolamine unless you do the weird thing of ignoring molec work

[flint sable]

isnt Voay like the sister genus to Crocodylus

[ancient ibex]

Nope

Welp now I'm doubting myself

Lemme recheck

May be getting it backwards

[ancient ibex]

Interesting osteolamine in the meantime

[flint sable]

this is what wikipedia says but that could be wrong ig

yeah what pineapple posted

sister genus to crocodylus

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, had it backwards, my bad, been getting not enough sleep

Was assumed Osteolam, found Croc by molec

Literally was on Hekkala's TetZooCon talk about the entire process

Thanks for the heads up

[steep tulip]

Only way voay is getting added is trough a RE dlc, and even then I feel like most people would prefer hanyusuchus anyway

[flint sable]

also iirc a relationship to Aldabrachampsus has been proposed but not exactly how

[plush nacelle]

Honestly I cant wait to see it in PK

[shell sonnet]

I don't think anyone (worth taking seriously) would complain if Hanyusuchus or Voay got in over the other.

[plush nacelle]

Apparently it was belly-dragging like gharials

[steep tulip]

Even then 10 people know about these animals I feel so its not that big of a issue

[flint sable]

either one is good

although me personally for an RE croc Mekosuchus would be on top of both

probably as a vivarium tho

[shell sonnet]

I think the problem with Mekosuchus is we don't know when it died out

[ancient ibex]

Mekosuchians are weirdos that may be outside of at least the longirostrine crown

[flint sable]

Quinkana is also not a terrible pick but tbh since it probably wasnt as terrestrial as mekosuchus was or is typically claimed, voay is above it for me

[steep tulip]

Meko is great but not sure if it counts as recently extinct

[shell sonnet]

Estimates range from the last 3-1.7K years ago

[steep tulip]

At least to the devs eyes