Community Species Suggestions

[autumn turret]

but thats just my opinion anyways, all of the afformentioned crocs are very cool animals and deserve there place so fair enough!

[steep tulip]

Saltriovenator is just an arm from a random formation, there's no reason to add it over cerato

You would end up referencing ceratosaurus anyway

[outer moth]

Just make it an alt

[steep tulip]

Not even worth as an alt

Like you will have to make up traits to make it different from cerato anyway, at that point I just prefer they experiment with cerato itself

[outer moth]

It's the better solution tbh

Seeing as there's not enough Saltrio material to begin with

[autumn turret]

true i guess

[autumn turret]

i just dont like things being overused so eh fair enough XD

[hollow flower]

Temnospondyls dont quite grow up the same as regular amphibians

If i remember correctly the juveniles are more or less the shape of adults

[polar tinsel]

Pleistocene Podium: Meiolania

Many animals from my plesitocene wishlist are mammals, which shouldn't be that strange given the nature of the epoch. However there are exceptions, and for a good reason.

One such exception has to be Meiolania. There aren't many animals that so effortlessly exude aura of primeval lifeform like Meiolania does for me.

For the sake of the game roster we would get much needed reptile representation, God knows we could use animals that are neither Dinosaurs nor Mammals.

It also hails from Oceania, that is still largely underrepresented in game.

Should we include many species for variants, we gain very vast "timeframe" to work with since some species surfaced in Miocene, while others went extinct as late as Holocene.

Talking about different species, we would have wide palette of variations in skulls, spikes, horns and colors.

At last inclusion of this animal wouldn't be a precedent, ZT already had it appear alongside their selection of "ice age" animals.

Now, talks of latest update had me thinking. I wouldn't lose my head over it being in vivarium, but it wouldn't be ideal as well. I believe it's comfortably big enough to be full habitat animal. On top of that, it should have pretty simple moveset to animate

That would be it for this one. Until tomorrow 👋

Art by Gabriel Ugueto.

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[sharp dock]

tortussy

[proper raven]

honestly, overused or not it has to be a good reason

lest you want to be Path of Titans where alot of the animals have the "same but different but same" vibe to it (eg Eotriceratops being literally a Triceratops)

[left spear]

Peak, honestly just add the 3 Big ones from new Caledonian

I need the pidgeon/turtle/crocodile triumvarate

[tulip umbra]

Echoes of extinction is doing just that by opting for the fragmentary Dracovenator, Genyodectes and Arambourgiana instead of Dilo, Cerato and Quetz

No point when theyre all gonna be based on the more popular animal anyways

[amber field]

Isn't the same as amphibians reproductive ?

[left spear]

Problem with that is that PoT choose the worst Dino possible as a stand in, pycno being way too large for it's niche, Thal behaving like a pteranodon when It should be more terrestrial and carnivorous, Kaiwekea is just a lame Plesio when irl was a filter feeder

Can't wait for them to make Leedsicthys a glorified xiphactinus

Btw leed would be so peak for this game

[faint oak]

And this isn’t even counting the fact that most popular depictions of famous “overrated” taxa are ASS

Cera needs more love than this I’m sorry lol

Plus if you go for a frag relative of a well known taxa you’re probably gonna become outdated if they find more of it

Which sucks

Cause then you don’t get either of em

[late swallow]

Also like

[abstract compass]

no need to add Saltrio.

[late swallow]

Who actually gives a fuck if a dinosaur is "overused"

[faint oak]

Saltrio could also have had a more dilo-looking body plan anyways

[late swallow]

It's used a lot because it's fucking cool

[abstract compass]

an arm wont tell us anything more than....it has an arm. and is likely a ceratosaur.

Ceratosaurus in itself is a literal dragon.

we dont need a speculative addition below it honestly.

[coarse inlet]

Also Ceratosaurus is not overused it’s honestly underused

[late swallow]

Real

[abstract compass]

underused, underloved, it needs some actual good depictions.

[late swallow]

Jwe and.... what else?

[abstract compass]

and i hope, genuinely, that PK gives it the rep it deserves.

(if it arrives)

[coarse inlet]

It’s such a bizarre theropod too

[late swallow]

I like the jwe depictions of it myself

[faint oak]

This is also a viable saltrio recon https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/646188720956899330/866037699144450078/Sue.png?ex=68f1ef35&is=68f09db5&hm=38ab6015c8ddae83d2bc2f472883e0cb2969ed6ae9f879bb25558109fc7b1da6&

[coarse inlet]

There’s nothing else like it

[abstract compass]

thing is we have some very large ceratosaurus specimens iirc

[late swallow]

What's the red

[faint oak]

Maybe damaged bits

[coarse inlet]

I think those are the bits we have lmao

[late swallow]

The colour in the jaw is also different than that on the foot

[abstract compass]

shame saltrio was a victim of instant disintegration.

[coarse inlet]

It’s a cool find scientifically but for actually depicting an animal this is worthless

No real reason to think it looked like ceratosaurus either tbh

[abstract compass]

likely, like Anth said, It would look more like Dilophosaurus than Ceratosaurus

[coarse inlet]

The only definitive close relative of ceratosaurus is Genyodectes and that’s also just a small bit

[late swallow]

Another reason Cerato is more used: 134 more years of knowing it

Plus Morrison

[abstract compass]

there was some quite large remains recovered too that was suspected of being Ceratosaurus but i cant find it again.

[late swallow]

Great holotype lmao

[coarse inlet]

Yeah it could get pretty big

[late swallow]

"Hey lil mama lemme whisper in ya ear"

[coarse inlet]

Not quite as big as Allo and Torvo but still quite large

[late swallow]

Cool animal overall, would love to see it

[steep tulip]

I kinda love how its just barely enough to know its a ceratosaur
But I agree it's a pretty great find

Only other maybe basal ceratosaur worth considering is eoabelisaurus tbh

Tho maybe noasaurs count as well

[feral cedar]

This is just being a contrarian for the sake of it

[late swallow]

Which is not a good look, trust me

[steep tulip]

I think they guy got the message 😭

[steep carbon]

Im sure you know from experience.

[late swallow]

Was that necessary

[left spear]

I'm not original so Cetotherium riabinini

Ukranian animal too which is cool since i don't think there's anything else interesting there and that's unique

[flint sable]

I mean theres mammoth steppe stuff ig but thats pretty generalized

[coarse inlet]

No way that’s what it really looked like

[flint sable]

believe it or not, probably

[coarse inlet]

What

[left spear]

It is indeed like 45% head

[coarse inlet]

Finally the anti Cotylorhynchus

[hollow flower]

Look at my cetaceans bruh we aint ever reaching critical mass

[flint sable]

oh and fun fact, the living pygmy right whale might be part of Cetotheriidae, which would make the Pygmy Right Whale the most basal living baleen whale

and Cetotherium's closest relative by proxy

[left spear]

Eh i feel like gulper eels are already that but yes this is ours

[coarse inlet]

Yep it’s either a cetothere or sister to cetotheriidae

So either way the closest living relative

[flint sable]

ye

pretty cool

[coarse inlet]

There’s also that one ichthyosaur with a huge head

[hollow flower]

Erythrosuchus for land contenders

[left spear]

Eye bigger than a human head

What does It being need them for

[shell sonnet]

Gulper eels are still pretty long bodied

[late swallow]

Seeing predators

[hollow flower]

squid

[buoyant zenith]

OMG squid. Prehistoric squid.

The aquariums are about to get even more epic in theory.

[low kelp]

Sometimes I miss a Giganotosaurus in the park

[late swallow]

very good chance of Giga coming post-EA as a DLC headliner, given we get there of course

[polar tinsel]

I really wonder how their DLC model will look, it would help a lot in formating wishes for post EA

[outer moth]

Honestly, Dimorpho’s small enough for the new Vivariums

Soooo

[feral cedar]

Would Tapejara be vivarium sized

[outer moth]

Bit big

[feral cedar]

Seems a bit oversized

I read it has like a 1.3 m wingspan

[outer moth]

Pretty much

I do wonder if bigger aviaries will just work like vivariums

[steep tulip]

doubt it

[feral cedar]

Tapejara as a vivarium tapejarid and Tupandactylus as a full exhibit animal would be neat

[steep tulip]

tape too big, theres better smaller candidates

[feral cedar]

If it has a 1.3m wingspan it might not be too big I think

[outer moth]

Eh

[cosmic cosmos]

are any of the small azdharchids tiny enough for viv? it would be funny if we had a giant like quetz and then one so small it goes in the vivarium

[outer moth]

Don’t think we do

[steep tulip]

wait that its wingspan

thout it was like 2 meters

at least

maybe I got confused with the smaller tupandactylus species

rhampho bigger than tape
not even big rhampho

[outer moth]

If they can make flying not look like a canned animation, while also making it look genuine, then I can’t see why not

[steep tulip]

tbf its possible they could add fliers in giant "vivariums" due to a lack of resources

but from what Ive gathered, future plan is to make them free roamers both on land and in the air

[modern totem]

beloved mammal

[spring ridge]

Mammut americanum + Mammut pacificus

[slim flare]

Might be synonyms

[coarse inlet]

More volant species like most pterosaurs might be hard with current vivarium sizes except for the real little guys

[quick ore]

on a recent rewatch of WWD it was so weird seeing Tapejara depicted as some sort of seabird type pterosaur lol

[outer crater]

That’s fair

[slim flare]

Hopefully not

[buoyant zenith]

What would you add as an alt?

[slim flare]

That is the alt

But… Notiomastodon

[buoyant zenith]

Ok, but like, we usually anyways have two species per genus so when I meant alt, I mean alt genus.

[feral cedar]

kinda crazy to consider that despite being in completely different families Mammut and Notiomastodon work as actual alts

[slim flare]

Trunk noises

[outer moth]

For big aviaries?

[polar tinsel]

Pleistocene Podium: Cuvieronius

Woolly Mammoths are already in the game, and if we get both Paleoloxodons and Mastodons (that were hinted post EA) that would already be an inspiring plesitocene proboscidean roster.

All that aside, allow me to be greedy for a moment.

Gomphoteres as a group are somewhat underrated and underrepresented (at least in popular paleomedia), yet they produced their fair share of impressive specimens.

Cuvieronius especially, with it's unique body plan (compared to aforementioned animals), could carve out it's own place in PK roster. On top of that it's a South American proboscidean, unlike others we have and others that are planned.

All gomphoteres have somewhat similar build, with almost flat back, rather "horizontal" body and short tusks that allign with it. Cuvieronius would be a touch more interesting than other ones (known to me at least) because their tusks spiral and curve outwards, making it visually easily distinguishable.

Its medium size offers great middle point between Mammoths already in game and (hopefully in future) dwarf elephants. That would go a long way in diversifying our "elephant" options.

Further it populated biomes from jungles to mountains, biome flexibility is something I always appreciate.

And lastly, different reconstructions present it from wolly to hairless, once again opening door for major model variations, which is still one of my favorite features of this game.

That would be it for this one. Until tomorrow 👋

Art by LADAlbarran2001.

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[sharp dock]

notiomastosussy

with cuvy alt

[steep tulip]

Yes

[amber field]

tbh , even the current system can work great

[steep tulip]

More or less

You will have them restricted to aviaries only that way

[amber field]

Actually, the bigger one can hold the smaller species

[steep tulip]

Ohh that's what you meant
Like current vivariums can hold pterosaurs as well

[outer moth]

Wouldn't that be hard to code?

(Also if we do get aviaries, I'd love to see null domes)

[amber field]

yeah

Like extra big one would be good

[steep tulip]

It would be pretty hard
You need to figure out flying pathfinding plus find a way to smoothly transition between land and aerial locomotion plus perching, diets, interactions
Its a lot of work

[outer moth]

Just seems like a post-EA thing to be

(And yes, I'm confident PK will do well at launch)

[buoyant zenith]

This with Notio would literally give us both South American species of gomphotheres from the last Ice Age and I think that would be awesome.

[slim flare]

Everyone ignores that Cuvieronius was extirpated from South America 44,000 years ago and was last alive in Southern North America smh

[ancient dagger]

Organized all my lists here into digestible expansions and "smaller" themed animal packs

[spring ridge]

they are not synonyms

[shell sonnet]

Chances of us getting a Deinosuchus alt are pretty much nil at the moment. It's probably just going to be D. hatcheri.

Same with Titanis as an alt of Kelenken

[slim flare]

I said they might be. There’s no genetic evidence yet that they are separate species.

[spring ridge]

modern consensus does not treat them as synonyms

[slim flare]

So?

[spring ridge]

they arent synonyms

also, there is genetic evidence that they are separate species

it was a recent study this year

[slim flare]

Source?

[spring ridge]

https://www.sci.news/paleontology/mastodon-dna-14212.html

[slim flare]

Thanks

[spring ridge]

👍

[slim flare]

All right that seems pretty good

I look forward to nuclear DNA testing to confirm it, but it’s far less shaky than before.

[buoyant zenith]

I’m so mad. We had so many damn cool proboscideans just 10000 ish years ago. And like, I think somewhere I read that it was like 22 species or something.

[flint sable]

22 species lowk insane

iirc 8 genera?

in teh late pleistocene

cuvieronius, notiomastodon, mammuthus, loxodonta, palaeoloxodon, stegodon, elephas, mammut

[hollow flower]

Time travel back to the late pleistocene and convince everyone that elephants are avatars of deities

Go back to modern day and tada

you have 22 elephant species

[flint sable]

lowkey that might sound insane but iirc we had 25 sloth genera

not species, genera

ok nvm about 30 species not genera

mb

still though, for being on only 2 continents

not bad

[buoyant zenith]

Lowkey diverse. Lowkey we just had so many in North America. 😓😓😓😓

[slim flare]

22 elephants seems really high

8 genera looks right tho

[flint sable]

lemme count rq

idk

Mammuthus had like

4 right

[slim flare]

3

Idk if the Channel Island population is even rightfully a species tbh

[flint sable]

wait was the dwarf mediterranian late pleistocene?

or was that earlier

[slim flare]

I would need a name

[flint sable]

yeah Mammuthus lamarmorai was late pleistocene

[buoyant zenith]

We had multiple mammoths in NA and also several gomphotheres.

[toxic oriole]

So, no Eudimorphodon?
No dwarf palaeoloxodon species?

[flint sable]

so M. primigenius, M. columbi, M. exilis, and M. lamarmorai are the 4 from the late pleistocene

[toxic oriole]

If you's gonna include the elephant, at least include the dwarf species too >:(((

[slim flare]

North America had 2 mainland mammoths, 1 island mammoth, 2 mastodon and Cuvierornius

South America had Notiomastodon and Cuvieronius until 44,000 years ago

[flint sable]

Stegodon had S. orientalis, S. namadicus, S. florensis, and S. sumbaensis

so thats another 4

Loxodonta just had the two living species, L. cyclotis and L. africana

so Stegodon, Mammuthus, and Loxodonta is a total of 10

Elephas had one, the living Asian Elephant

so thats 12

[buoyant zenith]

Get into Palaeoloxodon too.

[flint sable]

yep

doing them next

[slim flare]

When did E. hysudrindicus go extinct?

[flint sable]

Palaeoloxodon had P. antiquus, P. huaihoensis, P. namadicus, and P. naumanni for the mainland, and P. cypriotes, P. tiliensis, P. mnaidriensis, and P. creutzburgi for insular mediterranian species

so thats a whopping total of 8

[slim flare]

Are you checking dates for these?

[toxic oriole]

Wait a minute, WHERES FALCONERI!?

[slim flare]

Old

[flint sable]

ok nevermind it was dead, mb

[flint sable]

yes

E. hysudrindiscus was middle pleistocene mb

all the others are late pleistocene, though

[flint sable]

falconeri was early-middle pleistocene

dead already

[toxic oriole]

The dwarf elephants cannot be ignored in that list...

[flint sable]

they arent

all of the 5 insular ones were dwarf mediterranian species

[slim flare]

Palaeoloxodon jolensis’ last remains are from 130,000 years ago

[flint sable]

oh damn i goofed up again

thx

Notiomastodon and Cuvieronius are monotypic, so just one for each of htme

and then finally Mammut with two (possibly one) species, M. americanum and M. pacificum

[slim flare]

Palaeoloxodon is kinda a mess and may be less species than currently considered

[flint sable]

probably

[slim flare]

Lots of suggested synonyms, but little DNA to draw hard conclusions

[flint sable]

now im gonna tally them all up rq in one tidy message

[toxic oriole]

👀

Guess I'll see

[flint sable]

Mammuthus: M. primigenius, M. columbi, M. exilis, M lamarmorai
Stegodon: S. orientalis, S. namadicus, S. florensis, S. sumbaensis
**Loxodonta: **L. cyclotis, L. africana
Elephas: E. maximus
Palaeoloxodon: P. antiquus, P. huaihoensis, P. namadicus, P. naumanni, P. cypriotes, P. tiliensis, P. mnaidriensis, P. creutzburgi
Notiomastodon: N. platensis
Cuvieronius: C. hyodon
Mammut: M. americanum, M. pacificum

Total: 3 Living, 20 extinct, 23 total

(possibly 22 if M. americanum and M. pacificum are synonomous)
(also possibly less if a few of the Palaeoloxodon species are merged, specifically the 4 mainland taxa, which isnt an impossibility)

theres the total

[slim flare]

The mastodons are probably separate

Palaeoloxodon is probably the biggest question mark in regards to the 4 mainland taxa

[flint sable]

k

looks good then?

[slim flare]

Yeah

[flint sable]

got it

now im gonna put this in science chat

[steep tulip]

If pk was good this is what the final roster would look like

[buoyant zenith]

I could just build so many enclosures. I would have so much fun. Especially with mixed ones.

I could have a proboscidean map.

[ocean heron]

nanuqsaurus and alioramus , and ofc albertosaurus

[plucky bloom]

Carnotaurus, I yearn for a slightly fluffy Carno

[buoyant zenith]

Imagine the arms being long fluffy feathers and if it sticks out its arms it looks like it is trying to flap. 😆

[buoyant zenith]

Thanks for making the full list. 🤩 It’s amazing we had so many just a little while ago.

[flint sable]

indeed

[buoyant zenith]

I’m honestly obsessed with them.

[outer moth]

Carno’s been confirmed (more or less)

Apparently it’s gonna be cooler than the PhP Carno

[tame thorn]

hopefully the throat dewlap will be less exaggerated

[outer moth]

Depends on what the devs do, really

[autumn plover]

I’m hoping for PK Carno to look more lanky than bulky

Less like PHP/Old PK Carno, and more like the Isle but with lips and more accurate

[plush nacelle]

Cooler in that sense

It wont perform that silly dance from PP

[steep tulip]

Tbh carno wasn't so thin

A lot of times its shown with a very thin skull when the php is more correctly sized afaik

From what I'm seeing the isle carno actually isn't so bad

[abstract compass]

speed sosig

[autumn plover]

The guy who made the Isle Carno also made another one

This is what I would like, lean with feature scales

Instead of alt species, Carnotaurus should have each of it’s skins have different horn variations

Kind of like how each skin has different crests for Dilophosaurus

[reef relic]

Yooo that's a sick idea

PK has never disappointed with their designs. I'm hyped to see how they do Carnotaurus

[autumn plover]

It guves a lot of options

Longhorn/conservative/edgy etc

[reef relic]

Give me a big ridiculous dewlap

I love my dinosaurs with big ridiculous features ngl

[autumn plover]

I’m less keen on the dewlap for Carno

[late swallow]

no

[autumn plover]

It’s not sleek and Tarbo already has one

Unless it was restricted to a single skin that suits one

[late swallow]

i'm not a fan of the Dewlap on Tarbo, a bit to exagerated imo, and it just feels weird to me

[autumn plover]

I think it suits Tarbo

Carno less so

I definitely think Torvosaurus gurneyi would have suited a dewlap

[hollow furnace]

I quite liked cerato with a dewlap

[abstract compass]

its a vibe

[buoyant zenith]

Imagine we find a stego type dino or sauropod with horns one day.

Y'all, are there some ancient fish from the Devonian that would interest you to be in the game?

[steep tulip]

I would be quite fond of tiktaalik

[buoyant zephyr]

Ummmm

You know it's coming right?

[late swallow]

be hard to not

[steep tulip]

🐎

[buoyant zephyr]

I would suggest something like hynerpeton if it wasn't so fragmentary

[late swallow]

what does the horse mean

[steep tulip]

horse

meaning horse

Titanichthys then

[faint snow]

Doedicurus please

[late swallow]

id also like to see Ichthyostega

[shell sonnet]

If Tiktaalik didn't exist, I could imagine we would have gotten Ichthyostega

[buoyant zenith]

Acanthostega would also be great. You think it could Icthyostega's alt?

[shell sonnet]

They'd be minis, which I don't think are getting alts

[hollow furnace]

And no, Acanthostega and Icthyostega are quite different animals

[buoyant zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/headbang-angry-frustrated-gif-9723752534128188433

[late swallow]

they however, would be really cool to see no matter what

[hollow furnace]

My random pick would be Bothriolepis as an aquarium fish

Look at the goober: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Bothriolepis_canadensis-001.JPG/2560px-Bothriolepis_canadensis-001.JPG

[late swallow]

looks like jerky

[shell sonnet]

Looks like a Feejee mermaid

(it's a nice animal to have, maybe once we get true aquariums)

[buoyant zenith]

It looks like a frog, turtle, and snake.

[ancient ibex]

Peak fishapod selection ngl

[steep tulip]

Learned about 2 of those thanks to animal crossing lol

[buoyant zenith]

Y'all know what would be another cool addition? Pebas system creatures!!!!!

Mega crocs, turtles, snakes, giant fish, river dolphins, etc., we would have a great time.

[toxic oriole]

Arent there a few terror birds + Barinasuchus from that location?
Of course there are!

Plus that giant snapping turtle

Yeah the Pebas system or however its called has alot of species to choose from

[severe spindle]

I too watched the extinct zoo video (but i also agree)

[buoyant zenith]

Shhh, why you exposing me like that. 🤩🤩🤩🤩😭😭😭

[severe spindle]

I think alot of species from there would be pretty cool, specially Barinasuchus or any kind of sebechid. Maybe if we get kelenken, Devencenzia would be a good alt.

[left spear]

Devin mentioned 🔥

Happy to see another person of culture here

[tulip umbra]

I see someone watched the new Extinct Zoo video

Would love to see Stupendemys

[buoyant zenith]

SHHH.🤫

[last thistle]

Need me a megaraptoran (I have no idea if any are in the plans)
Austrolovenator
Megaraptor
Maip
Something like that

[quick ore]

*Australovenator

[late swallow]

tbf thats just a small one and the animal is still understood so

[ancient ibex]

Ah, the country of Austrolia 🙃

[quick ore]

to be fair its name isn't in reference to the country

Australo means Southern

[steep tulip]

Tanystropheus/atopodentatus for normal exhibit basking ontop rocks like seals

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-rayleigh-cry-crying-wipe-tears-gif-11886906502939689583

[ancient ibex]

Still, in that specific content this is meant to reference Australia, but, yeah, being a bit cheeky

Jeholornis palmapenis is also meant to be a shitpost rather than its supposed official meaning

[last thistle]

I need me a full representation of the Morrison

Not like full full but mostly there

Like campto
Allo
Stego
Ornitholestese
Cerato
Diplodocus

Ik some of these are planned but idk how many are

[hollow furnace]

Allo and Stego are for sure planned, Cerato and Dippy are very likely

[last thistle]

Would love to see camptosaurus

[quick ore]

Ornitholestes feels like an "eh" inclusion to me tbh

like, there isn't really much to it yknow?

[last thistle]

Nah it’s cool

[quick ore]

what about it do you like

[last thistle]

I like that it’s an early bird like animal

Small fauna would round it out more too

[quick ore]

could you not say that for any early theropod?

[last thistle]

For the whole formation

[quick ore]

or early coelurosaur

[last thistle]

Yeah but like that is the main one for the Morrison

And I like that

[quick ore]

I do think there is some merit to giving it a good design that doesn't have any sort of nose crest to make people know that it didn't have one. Beyond that I don't think it is a must-have though.

[last thistle]

I just want a rounded out Morrison and hell creek and maybe dinosaur park

That would be awesome

[quick ore]

that's fair

I do hope the same is done for formations outside of the Mesozoic though

[frosty heron]

neotenous mutta is a very good campto

the big names are certainly or almost certainly coming at some point as has been mentioned

[last thistle]

True that’s what I do now but like I want them all I’m greedy

lol

[tulip umbra]

All are amazing

[sharp dock]

poggers formation

[sharp dock]

ESTEMMENO!

oh my god, gorgeous

beautiful

[kind oriole]

I hadn't realised the super square jaw, with the nostrils in the centre top. really funky

[tough marsh]

It would be so small

[junior furnace]

Wouldn't it be larger than any of the cats in game?

Its like a small hippopotamus

[tough marsh]

its the size of velociraptor

[junior furnace]

with a skull length of 65 cm?

[tough marsh]

thats uralensis which has a completely different skull

[junior furnace]

what's the one in the image?

[fresh ember]

E. mirabilis

[tough marsh]

mirabilis has a length of 34cm

[junior furnace]

If that's true Wikipedia is outdated then

it's listed as "Up to 42 cm long"

ig thats an estimation

[tough marsh]

im basing this number off the description of the material

[plush nacelle]

Really velociraptor sized? This animal seems to be something as big as pygmy hippo

[junior furnace]

Yeah either way velociraptor sized seems a bit misleading

but hey I could be wrong

[tough marsh]

i scaled it

[junior furnace]

well look at that

neat

[sharp dock]

huh

wut

wasnt it a big hulking beast?

[plush nacelle]

Pygmy hippo dude

[tough marsh]

again thats Uralensensis

[digital pendant]

That would be the other species. E. uralensis

[sharp dock]

So I just checked, turns out the large species is E. uralensis

[digital pendant]

That one is like grizzly sized right? @tough marsh

[junior furnace]

Ngl I vibe with the dog

[tough marsh]

its about this

[junior furnace]

Could perhaps have both of them...

[sharp dock]

what animals are anatomically similar to my favorite dinosaur (dimetradon)

ophiacodon and secodontosaurus aside

[tulip umbra]

Edapho

[tough marsh]

Tappenosaurus, Sphenacodont, Ctenospondylus

[shell sonnet]

There's also like 14 species of Dimetrodon, no real need to look at other genera for alts

[hollow furnace]

A big advocate for getting a natalis or teutonis vivarium 'alt' as well as the big boys

[tulip umbra]

Also dimetro aint a dino btw

[late swallow]

With as many platforms that say that constantly you'd think more people would know by now

[mint creek]

He's making a joke

[steep tulip]

Dimetrodon is related to dinosaurus, seems enough to be a dinosaur if you ask me

[shell sonnet]

I suppose grandis, limbatus, and angelensis along with one those two as a fourth "skin" would be fine. It really just depends if you want the one from the Red Beds or the only one found outside of NA

[amber field]

Trust this man 👆 .... he is not joking

[sharp dock]

Legit and true

[faint oak]

Silly lanky man, historically significant, potentially a basal oviraptorosaur, great for variety in Morrison exhibits

And the old pk design kicked ass

[quick ore]

ok, good argument

usually I only see people mention it because of the outdated nose crest and WWD

[quick ore]

also isnt it very fragmentary?

[faint oak]

You could also just give it a fleshy nose wattle for one skin too for the classic look

[faint oak]

Better than a lot of critters

[quick ore]

ehhh I am against that

[faint oak]

Better than wooly pachy lol

[quick ore]

like I think that an animal should be able to stand on its own with interesting and plausible design without it calling back to outdated reconstructions

[faint oak]

Doing it for all the skins would be meh but for one it could be fun

Iggy calls on some older recons and it kicks ass

As long as it’s still in the realm of possibility I’m in

And I’d say it’s the only critter you could really get away with some fleshy spec on without it just being ugly or taking away from the design

If it gets in at all

But I really like it as a pick imo

[quick ore]

I feel like an ankylosaur would also work for that

like Pinacosaurus and its nose

[faint oak]

Ehh

To each their own

[ancient ibex]

Nah, that wasn't really classic, that was Greg Paul gregpauling AFAIK

Ornitholestes is an utter weirdo in that we don't quite know what it is related to, and it lived at a time where maniraptoriforms had to have already radiated

Other than a paravian, it may be anything I believe; could be an oviraptorosaur, a therizinosaur, an alvarezsaur, an ornithomimosaur...

So, cool critter

The WWD one was quite bad tho

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, I don't remember coming across a Ornitholestes with a nose horn when I did my illustration survey outside of Paul's book

[late swallow]

Did that abstract from SVP 2021 ever get the full paper published yet

[shell sonnet]

Part of Ornitholestes appeal is that for quite some time it was 'the' small theropod that was bigger than Compy. Knight's painting of it is one the most copied pieces of paleoart ever.

[late swallow]

It's a cute painting

Inaccurate but cute

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, he was playing up the 'bird robber' name

And of course that meant using Archaeo as well

[steep tulip]

Not sure about a fleshy nose crest, but a tuft of feathers alluding to the crest for one of the skins would be a cool nod still

[cosmic cosmos]

If we ever get aquatics, giant crinoids could make for a great "foliage" brush/decoration
https://youtube.com/shorts/hmiL_tFzse8?si=w04Rmxm_Xa478uUk

[tulip wharf]

shout-out to Magyarosaurus for a smaller sauropod, the fact that it has the stereotypical titanosaur body plan but it's small makes it unique.

maybe give it a Titanomachya alt. as well

good idea?

[late swallow]

I've heard worse sauropod suggestions

There's a lot of debate over Haţeg Sauropods just due to the fragmentary nature of all of the fauna found there

[steep tulip]

Still not sure what the deal with magyarosaurus is
I knew some remains scaled up to europasaurus size, but apparently only the really small ones can be identified as magyarosaurus? Feel like this guy need some kind of revaluation

[lean hound]

gosh it's that fragmentary?? I didn't know it was that bad

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, Europasaurus is really the only good Island dwarf

Too bad it comes from an uninteresting dig site

[steep tulip]

There's a bit more referred to magyarosaurus

Still pretty terrible

Also other isolated vertebrae

[late swallow]

If we slap em all together we get half a sauropod

[steep tulip]

And the last one is a composite of all the material found in one locality

[steep tulip]

I don't think you can get half a sauropod slapping together all remains belonging to all the hateg sauropods lol

[shell sonnet]

It's a mess of a group; you've got species being split of from each other (Petrustitan was originally a species of Magyarosaurus until this year, and Uriash was split off from Petrustitan in the same damn paper) and Paludititan might be a specimen of Magyarosaurus.

[buoyant zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-lizard-lizard-button-lizard-tom-the-lizard-pixar-gif-17194109322617058326

[limber needle]

kunpengopterus, it could have a special interaction with guests like how apes and monkeys interact with guests at zoos, no demands, just a neat suggestion (was told to post this here)

[buoyant zenith]

This is a great angle.

[tulip wharf]

Ludodactylus anyone?

This thing was basically the IRL JP3 Pteranodon

Which is cool as hell

[buoyant zenith]

I am fine with any pterosaurs as long as we get them in the game at some point.

[tulip wharf]

I just wanted to throw out Ludodactylus specifically because it's cool that it looks like a real-life JP3 Pteranodon.

It was from the Crato formation of Early Cretaceous Brazil

Same formation Tupandactylus came from

This picture has T. Navigans, T. Imperator, and Tapejara (there's two alt species plus one alt genus for you)

[coarse inlet]

In terms of anhanguerids it's not really my top pick but it's cool

Like it's cool but not Tropeognathus or Guidraco level cool

[buoyant zenith]

Awesome picks.

[late swallow]

Cute Tapejarids - and a step into Azhdarchoidea

[ancient ibex]

Eh, I'd go after other anhanguerids first; Tropeognathus is quite iconic after all

Ludodactylus IS cool tho

But IMO for pteranodontoids/ornithocheiroids, I'd first get Pteranodon, Nyctosaurus, Tropeognathus and Istiodactylus before starting to double dip, alt species nonwithstanding

I'm sorry, but JWE having most of its small pterosaur roster be made up of close relatives is something to avoid IMO

[tulip wharf]

Fair enough

[ancient ibex]

It IS a cool animal, don't get me wrong

Better choice than a random Maaradactylus for a zoo sim

[coarse inlet]

I agree w that for pteranodontoids

my personal priorities for the other groups would be:
Azharchoids: Quetzalcoatlus lawsoni/northropi, Tupandactylus imperator/navigans, Thalassodromeus
Archaeopterodactyloids: Pterodaustro, Pterodactylus (Vivarium)
Non-Pterodactyloids: Rhamphorhynchus, Jeholopterus (Vivarium), Dimorphodon (Vivarium), Kunpengopterus (Vivarium)

[ancient ibex]

I'd add Dsungaripterus to the azdharchoids, Darwinopterus to the non-pterodactyloids, and I'm sorry but I find Eudimorphodon the more appealing Triassic pterosaur, by virtue of being highly vanilla

Wait sorry

Kunpengopterus is a close relative of Darwinopterus

[coarse inlet]

Dsungaripterus is in my "I also really want this but I wouldnt be too bummed without it" tier along with Hatzegopteryx, Moganopterus, and Caviramus

[coarse inlet]

Yeah but with thumbs

[ancient ibex]

Ctenochasmatoids are really interesting fellas ngl

[coarse inlet]

yep

Moganopterus is my personal fave

[flint sable]

indeed

that reminds me

[coarse inlet]

he wants to be an azhdarchid so bad

[flint sable]

someone did a spec evo video about their project which is essentially an underground world and Ctenochasmatoids are like the dominant pterosaurs iirc

which I think is pretty cool spec evo

heres the video if you are curious

https://youtu.be/Suo-bsBamfA?si=KFeOCE8jBwNvi42i

would highly reccomend this series as a whole if you enjoy spec evo

[tawdry marlin]

Subterramundus mentioned

[buoyant zenith]

I beg your finest pardon. That is a flying giraffe-a-beak.

[flint sable]

indeed

the creator is in my own spec evo discord server, I know them

great guy

[tulip wharf]

Y'know what would be a good vivarium dinosaur? Incisivosaurus

Ol' beaver dino

[flint sable]

🤓

literally him

[buoyant zenith]

Y’all, we need Azdharcho and Zhejiangopterus.

[shell sonnet]

I don't think we do

[shell sonnet]

Protarchaeopteryx/Incisivosaurus (they might be synonyms) are interesting choices. But my heart is set on a different Oviraptorsaurian (which also has little teeth in the front)

[ancient ibex]

Caudipteryx is the superior choice for that area of oviraptorosaurs IMO

Incisivosaurus and Protarchaeopteryx are just weird choices in 20 year old media ttbt

[shell sonnet]

Caudi, Ovi/Citipati, and Giganto cover the bases for Oviraptor representation. Anzu would work if you want to go further deep into Caenagnathid evolution, but I'd say Anzu is worth more for filling out the Hell Creek roster.

[silver steeple]

I wouldn't call Incisivo a "weird choice" tbh

It was picked because it was weird

[left spear]

So its is a weird choice

[silver steeple]

Erior is saying that the choice to add them was strange

I am saying that is not the case

They were added because they happen to be weird looking animals

[shell sonnet]

Eh?

[silver steeple]

What other reason would there be to add in a buck-toothed theropod besides "look at this fuckin thing"

[shell sonnet]

That's not what I'm questioning, I just don't know what media you're talking about?

[feral cedar]

Is there any reason to add Incisivosaurus beyond “Hahah nerd dinosaur”

[junior glacier]

Prehistoric park, the microraptor episode

[silver steeple]

The only media I know of off the top of my head is Prehistoric Park

I wouldn't be shocked if it has appeared elsewhere but I have no clue where

[shell sonnet]

I have not seen PP, I'm neither British nor was I interested in dinos when it came out

[shell sonnet]

My first contact was a mobile game.

[silver steeple]

Which one

Also the entire PP Incisivo bit was "look at this silly looking animal and it's funny dance"

https://youtu.be/d9rjqFqknBU?si=i5dkvcKwpIyP7c7-

[junior glacier]

That show was my childhood lol, I have the dvds from when I was a kid, the episodes are hard to find elsewhere now but if you get the chance they’re a great watch, and a big reference for the game

At least in terms of Nigel Marvin

[shell sonnet]

Dino Park (I'd tried opening it but it doesn't work anymore)

[silver steeple]

Lmao

[silver steeple]

They're all on Internet Archive for free

Or at least were like last year

[shell sonnet]

It's a "fighting" game and animals can be "upgraded"

[silver steeple]

Oh lord

[steep tulip]

Oh I remember this one
The ammonite looked kinda disgusting

[silver steeple]

But yeah I've never seen it elsewhere until now

But it was definitely picked to make the whole "Ancient China" microraptor episode more funny or whatever

And for that purpose, it was a great choice

[shell sonnet]

The designs give FF and any JW mobile game a run for sheer batshit insanity

[silver steeple]

Little forest goblins that don't hurt anything

Unlike the Mei Long which were pretty much constantly antagonistic

[steep tulip]

As a kid that episode kinda pissed me off because he was saying that they can't bring the incisivo back and then they end up saving like 7 sauropods
Even if it was a last minute decision

[steep tulip]

😭

[silver steeple]

Tbh they were probably already dead like the Mei long

[outer moth]

Man, looking back at Pteranodon just reminds me of how much of a freak it is

I want it

[silver steeple]

Only reason the sauropods were still alive was because they were tall enough to breathe above the deadly gasses hovering over the ground

[late swallow]

Heh you said pp

[shell sonnet]

It's a freak alright

[buoyant zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/cars-tractor-flip-cow-scare-gif-16278405

When I think about the gigantic pterosaurs and their big ass beaks, I can’t help thinking of this.

[outer crater]

Nurulagus

[buoyant zenith]

Yes.

[tulip wharf]

Everyone loves Anomalocaris, but allow me to suggest it's larger, filter-feeding cousin: Aegirocassis

AKA shrimp whale lol 🦐 🐋

[late swallow]

Aegiro good pick

[ancient ibex]

We are familiar with it, but it is an utter weirdo that doesn't have justice done to it as a rule

[feral cedar]

holy shit is it that freakishly large?

[ancient ibex]

Pteranodon spent a long while as the largest flying animal ever discovered for a reason

Azdharchids got insane, but male Pteranodon would feel like deer when grounded

[left spear]

It's funny how much people both underestimate and overstimate Pteranodon's size

[late swallow]

I do not understand what you are saying here

[hollow furnace]

Also crazy how small they are, mass-wise

I weigh more then a male Pteranodon

[left spear]

Pteranodon is most times seen as the basic bitch pterosaur which It really isnt

[ancient ibex]

Yup, everybody is used to "pterodactyl" and its head spike, and then you give a look at it and the animal is a weird giant with a sword for a face

[left spear]

Ctenochasmatids are much more fitting as the basic pterosaurs

And even then they are very unique

Pterosaurs don't really have a generic looking group

[ancient ibex]

The Solnhofen duo to a degree

Rhamphorhynchus is a quite advanced non-pterodactyloid, Pterodactylus is a quite underived ctenochasmatian

[buoyant zenith]

GIMME. I can’t help imagining plushies of it already.

[quick ore]

still so funny how it got into ZT2

[late swallow]

That looks crotcheted

[left spear]

It's from Etsy

[shell sonnet]

Young me was confused about why it was included and also annoyed about the lack of non-avian dinos in that pack (in retrospect there's so many weird choices made there)

[quick ore]

ye

I both love and hate the selections made

I only wish some of the biomes and models were different

like why tf did they make the Thylacine so huge

[shell sonnet]

To this day, I am baffled why they didn't include the Woolly Mammoth, especially if they were just going to make Mastodon hairy anyway.

[plush nacelle]

There is former ZT dev active on reddit

Which like two days ago explained

They used to not pick certain animal so community will mod it themselves

[shell sonnet]

link please

[plush nacelle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ZooTycoon/s/tbqVkJfBaF

[steep tulip]

So
We have 10 animals now for u16
Or did mau just forget

The roadmap still the same

[hollow furnace]

Remains to be seen

[steep tulip]

Diplocaulus copium

[tame thorn]

That is actually a really clever approach to developing a community. Deliberately exclude animals to bring people together to make animals

[tidal estuary]

Mau is leaving coty in the hands of the comunity clearly

Has anyone tried to make a species suggestion with a nigel dialogue? sounds fun to do

[steep tulip]

Fundraiser for coty

[amber field]

Perhaps it more

[tame thorn]

If yutyrannus doesn't make the cut, I hope fur cards aren't too hard to figure out and groom for modding

[buoyant zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/brushing-monkey-groom-grooming-brush-gif-5314861

[wary nacelle]

I don’t even care if this guy doesn’t get into PK I just want to bring up the goat that is Issi

[steep tulip]

Why is issi the goat

[wary nacelle]

Only dinosaur ever found in Greenland

[ancient ibex]

They used the Berlin Archaeopteryx for the fossil minigame, and the secretary bird as a basis for it

[steep tulip]

Oh damn lmao

[steep tulip]

Glacialisaurus wishes it was a single very well preserved skull found in the middle of nowhere

[last thistle]

i REALLY want Appalachiasaurus

or dryptosaurus with its weird hands

[toxic oriole]

Why not have this guy and Cryolophosaurus in the same room?

[steep tulip]

Well this guy is triassic and from a different pole

[toxic oriole]

Doesnt Glacialisaurus, unless the information I got is outdated, have an Early Jurassic record?

[steep tulip]

Yes
But that one is issi

[last thistle]

this

[toxic oriole]

No wait a minute, why does it say Glacialisaurus is from Antarctica?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacialisaurus

Y'know what, new DLC pack idea

North and South Pole DLC

[steep tulip]

Cryolophosaurus, acanthostega

Uhh
Cenozoic stuff

[toxic oriole]

Can't forget Antarctopelta

[steep tulip]

Oh yeah

Tho could be stegorous alt

[toxic oriole]

Well there are those ornithopods of Antarctica

This one in particular is closely related to a few ornithopods from Australia and South America

Don't know how complete it is, might as well see

Eh

Its something I guess

[steep tulip]

Trinisaura is more complete and a close relative of morrosaurus

Also from antarctica

But I'm not too interested in it

[toxic oriole]

Isnt Trini also the first ornithopod of the lost continent?

Well

To be discovered

[steep tulip]

Idk maybe

[ancient ibex]

I honestly believe an Alectosaur-grade animal would work well with those hands, AND add a bit more spice

[wary nacelle]

It does 🥹

[coarse inlet]

Hey let's give Appalachia it's one cool dinosaur

[feral cedar]

Maybe Dryptosaurus IS alectrosaur-grade?

[tame thorn]

My most wished for wishlist

• Cryolophosaurus
• Concavenator
• Austroraptor
• guanlong
• yutyrannus
• Diamantinasaurus
• amargasaurus
• maiasaura
• Therizinosaurus
• Sinomegaceros
• Platybelodon
• macrauchenia

Vivarium:

• diplocaulus
• dimetrodon
• balaur bondoc
• eohippus
• anurognathus

[hollow furnace]

Megalania could probably work just fine as a full exhibit

It doesn't really have a good technical reason to be a vivarium animal, even if it could work as one

[tame thorn]

It's a wishlist so I'm not going to debate on where it belongs.

Removed as It was only added for Aus coverage, but not exactly something I wished for.

[buoyant zenith]

Diamantinasaurus needs a diamond coat. I don’t care what the haters say.

[hollow furnace]

Diamantinasaurus has some pretty crazy scales

[quick ore]

there are plenty of better australian species that could work as vivarium species that aren't THE most popular extinct australian species

[ancient ibex]

Mmm, ngl, Emuarius could be a funny pick

Just average an emu and a cassowary

(kidding tho, 2 other ratites and other Aussie flightless giant birds come first)

[tame thorn]

Feel free to recommend them. Again it's a wishlist of things I personally would love to see in the game. Everyone is free to make their own 🙂 it's a wish list after all

[silver steeple]

Obdurodon.......

[flint sable]

could technically be u16

doubt it but nontheless a possibility

[quick ore]

-Microleo
-Tiliqua frangens
-Ekaltadeta
-Obdurodon
-Wonambi

to name a few

[ancient ibex]

Microleo is a great way of saying "kitty" ngl

[slim flare]

Nanoleo

[hollow furnace]

the nanoleous...

[civic terrace]

Ngl, I thought this too. But that's what I love about this game and its community - I keep learning new things.

Oh just seeing there was a grizzly bear sized one. RAD.

[lean hound]

Why issi the goat

Hah

[silver breach]

More triassic creatures would be really cool! The triassic was full of weird and amazing animals. A vivarium with longisquama would be cool. Postosuchus, Cynodont, early mamals like that.

[sharp dock]

cute

[inland pawn]

This.

[civic terrace]

All of the above, thanks.

[toxic oriole]

Funny how Extinct Elephants has a few proboscideans in that picture that ARENT elephants at all but are close relatives

Looking at you, Deinotherium

[buoyant zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-im-out-byee-ok-gif-15304701432226785572

[buoyant zenith]

Speaking of Deino, do you think they should make a long trunk and short trunk version?

[silver steeple]

Wouldn't be possible probably

They'd need different animations to account for the trunk, which is way more work than worth for a single animal

[waxen mango]

Can Nothrotheriops be in it too? It’s smaller.

[outer crater]

Deinotherium should have long trunk imo

[proper raven]

only if its D. bozasi

[limber needle]

YESYESYESYESYESYES

[last thistle]

Right?

We NEED dryptosaurus or appalachiasaurus

[limber needle]

or khankuuluu

[spring ridge]

cervalces scotti

[buoyant zenith]

That and Eucladoceros. Bring on the Giant Deer.

[ancient ibex]

I do want a second deer; Cervalces may be a bit too moose-like, but it covers Capreolinae versus the Cervinae Megaloceros; Eucladoceros was an weird choice in ZT2, but it has quite contrasting antlers versus Megaloceros, even if it'd be a second Cervinae member

[ancient ibex]

Massospondylus/Sarahsaurus/Glacialisaurus would be quite neat post release, specially if we get Cryolophosaurus and South Africa animals; Massospondylids are neat Early Jurassic dinosaurs, pair well with Scelidosaurs

[shell sonnet]

You forget Lufengosaurus and Yunnanosaurus

[spring ridge]

cervalces had more of an elk head and a moose like body. even if its similar to a modern day moose, it would still be a very nice edition

[spring ridge]

where pacifc mastodon

[ancient ibex]

Filtered by interesting fauna from the same place tho

[spring ridge]

bootherium bombifrons would also be a good animal to add

[silver steeple]

Bootherium the goat (pun intended)

[shell sonnet]

Eh... Agree to disagree. I think Lufengo and Yunnano (and Masso) are interesting enough to not depend on the local dilophosaur-esque theropod for their inclusion (and quite frankly I have to draw the line on how fragmentary Glaciali). Though if we're talking early Jurassic Sauropod(morpha) and medium-sized Theropod pairings, well, this would be great.

[ancient ibex]

Fair enough

I honestly am more of a sucker for Vulcanodon or Barapasaurus

Patagosaurus and Rhoetosaurus are interesting ngl

Cañadón Asfalto in general is neat

Proto-Morrison stuff

[reef relic]

Lessemsaurus? Get a guest appearance from Dino Don Lessem :v

[mint creek]

I am also a sucker for Vulcanodon

[toxic oriole]

The inbetween of Sauropodomorphs and Traditional Sauropods

[flint sable]

ye

Melrano and Vulcanodon gotta be like

the two midways

with Melranosaurus being the more basal of the two

both great picks

[buoyant zenith]

The bovid choices are also pretty epic in theory. I would love Pelorovis, Rusingoryx, Megalotragus, Syncerus, Aurochs, Bison antiquus, Steppe wisent, Long horned Bison, Praeovibos, etc.

[inland pawn]

STYGIMOLOCH/PACHYCEPHALOSAURUS NEED I SAY MORE?

[last thistle]

Pachy is otw most likely

[inland pawn]

oh yeah

[late swallow]

Pachycephalosaurus wyomingensis and Pachycephalosaurus ("Stygimoloch") spinifer are what the community are speculating to be the two frugivores in u17

[steep tulip]

You could say diplocaulus

[spring ridge]

homotherium latidens

we have a wealth of info on homotherium, it would be a wonderful edition

[wary nacelle]

Guys why don't we add leaellynasaura to PK? /j

[brave pier]

I think they should add Tyrannosaurus in the game

[flint sable]

nah

not a good pick IMO

instead they should add tetraphoneus for Kaiparowits rep

and no other reason whatsoever

[ancient ibex]

The issue with Vulcanodon is that we are missing plenty of it (versus Barapasaurus being known from plenty of non-skull material)

Melanoro is also quite well known I gather

Great critter tho

[shell sonnet]

Really hope we get a Turiasaurian down the line. Either Mierasaurus or Turiasaurus would work.

[ancient ibex]

They are weirdos

Weirdly tall guys

[quick ore]

what is these Ark creatures doing here

that Arthropleura doesn't even have the right head

[young flame]

it's Ark creature yes but from reel prehistoric specie and it's just some specie i really love seeing add to the game

[quick ore]

I feel like for any species that could be added to the game it would be worthwhile to look at more accurate reconstructions of them to get a better idea of what the actual animal would look like as whichever species gets added is unlikely to look like the exaggerated and inaccurate depictions seen in Ark

like you're kind of getting the wrong idea of what the species is if you are basing your desire for it off of these depictions

it would be like wanting Beipiaosaurus to get added but you only know of it from The Isle so you get disappointed that it isn't some weird semi-aquatic piscivore

[flint sable]

ye

I mean those arent bad picks that you listed

they just arent accurate depictions at all lol

[sage gull]

[flint sable]

even the dire wolf one that isnt from ark looks quite stylized and a fair bit larger than it would have been irl, on top of looking pretty much like just a larger wolf

[quick ore]

yeah they aren't going to look anything like those except for maybe Arthropleura, but I also think it rearing up like that isn't fairly likely

[quick ore]

yeah exactly

[flint sable]

heres one of my favorite dire wolf depictions that showcases the differences based on what we know

slightly larger but also a very different animal

[quick ore]

Mauricio Anton the goat

I also like how it looks in Ecos La Brea

[flint sable]

almost like a giant dhole mixed with painted dog

[flint sable]

agreed, they did a pretty good job too

although theirs looks a little skinny imo but ig the californian populations were a bit smaller than the eastern populations so it makes sense

[desert flame]

Arthropleura will likely be added in the future.

[flint sable]

idk where you got the source for that, but neither arthropleura nor meganeura have been confirmed by the developers

they have statues which is a good sign, but I can assure you, and I have been here a long time, they havent been officially confirmed to come to the game

oh wait what

I just saw the comment was from a dev lmao

in that case

uhhhhhhhhhh

what

thats new

sorry for doubting you

[quick ore]

I mean tbh, kind of a given really? I would go as far to say that any species seen in Prehistoric Park has good odds of getting added to the game, and Arthopleura is basically made for something like the terrariums

[steep tulip]

tbh not confirmed still

[flint sable]

I mean a developer said "its coming"

is that not confirmation?

[desert flame]

It's probably suitable for a modified vivarium.
The size is likely to be large enough to display Arthropleura.

[flint sable]

they didnt specify when so it could be like 1.0 or even after that but still

[steep tulip]

yes but for carboniferous critters

[flint sable]

ohhhhhh yeah

technically its just for carbos ye

[steep tulip]

tho I believe its likely its some kind of bug

or 3

[flint sable]

I would imagine that arthro and meganeura would be like the top of their lists though yeah

[flint sable]

oh definitely

even like the second to smallest one could realistically probably house one

and still be somewhat ethical

[quick ore]

tbh is there anything stopping them from having their terrarium have both in them?

like Meganeura flying above Arthropleura

[flint sable]

since if snakes of similar size ranges are anything to go by, they dont exactly need that much space

[flint sable]

I mean IRL probably not

moresoe a game function

[steep tulip]

theres 2 insectivores in u19
now, it doesnt make 100% sense since they prob ate more than bugs, but I also think it kinda fits so I cope hard

[flint sable]

because uhhhh

iirc devs have directly stated you cant mix and match

[quick ore]

I wonder how long Arthropleura could live

[steep tulip]

depends if arthropleura gets its own exhbit

[flint sable]

probably a long ass time id imagine

[steep tulip]

or meganeura

[flint sable]

like if you look at lobsters or coconut crabs that have to shed a lot they can be like

extremely old

[quick ore]

it might be the longest lived myriapod ever?

[flint sable]

like lobsters can live to be like

40

depending on the species

[steep tulip]

because if they using the trees for animations and arthro the terrestrial one, then they cant share

lobster can get to 100

[flint sable]

even that tho

[steep tulip]

Ive heard they are basically immortal if they keep shedding

not sure if that includes neurons tho

[flint sable]

if I recall correctly mau directly stated you cant put 2 seperate species in the same one

[steep tulip]

I mean their brains arent really complex, but also like, I doubt they regenerating neurons

yeah

[flint sable]

even if they are in the same flavour of nodule

[steep tulip]

they would have to make an exhibit that works for both at the same time

[quick ore]

I wonder if an Arthropleura kept in captivity over decades would be able to recognize any of the specific caretakers it had or remember any routines for when it gets fed and stuff

[flint sable]

perhaps

idk about the first one but probably the second one

[shell sonnet]

Anthracosaurus will rise again

[steep tulip]

I think arthropods have a hard time recognising vertebrates due to very different features we share

so I doubt it they would be able to recognise people
they also deaf

millipedes I mean

some bugs can hear

[shell sonnet]

Or maybe we'll get Ophiacodon or Edaphosaurus because they've got species on both sides of the Carbon/Permian split

[steep tulip]

wouldnt complain if that was the case

eryops as well technically

[shell sonnet]

Don't get me wrong, if we're getting a carboniferous animal it'll probably be Arthropleura armata or Meganeura monyi

Though Meganeuropsis permiana needs more love

[steep tulip]

agreed

[quick ore]

you all are forgetting Hibber....

how could you....

Hibbertopterus my beloved

[steep tulip]

hibbert does go really hard

what would it diet be
piscivore i assume, not sure if insectivore fits

[flint sable]

true

that would be like asking a person to tell the millipedes apart

[left spear]

Both probably if you put aquatic arthropods inside insectivore

It most likely was whatever was small enough to fit in it's mouth

[steep tulip]

true
maybe hibbert as one of the 2 u19 insectivores isnt that much of a stretch

[left spear]

19?

We can dream but i doubt It'll be a habitat

It could work as a very water bound semiaquatic but i doubt It, devs would most likely make It a viv

Although ig 19 could add vivs

[steep tulip]

I mean as vivarium still

yeah

[left spear]

So who knows

[steep tulip]

its possible the 10th u16 animal is carboniferous tho
and this is what mau referring to

[left spear]

I mean how many insecti slots do we have and how many insectivore are most likely to get in than hibb

[left spear]

In such case i would expect others like Meganeura rather than hibb

Probably easier to animate since the wings are like 80% of the work

[steep tulip]

I say its about the same

but

I also expect pulmonoscorpius if we get 2

[left spear]

2 carbs?

[steep tulip]

and arthro is like one of the herbivores

[steep tulip]

maybe

[left spear]

Oh another insectivore carb you mean

[steep tulip]

yep

[left spear]

Yeah either Pulmo or Megarachne over Hibb sadly

Megarachne is kidna boring tbh it's a generic ass eurypterid that only got popular for the wwm missconception

[steep tulip]

if they add megarachne instead of hibbert I would lowkey be sad

its not even a bad species, but hibbert cooler

[left spear]

Yeah It would be like adding Amplectobelua over Anomalocaris

[coarse inlet]

10th?!

[left spear]

Rumored

[steep tulip]

Mau said 10 species a while ago and never bothered to correct himself so I'm assuming it's actually 10 species

[amber field]

https://tenor.com/view/good-movies-rule-gmr-avengers-end-game-movie-don't-give-me-hope-hawkeye-gif-9699367132154830787

[steep tulip]

While replying to someone talking about the tenth species

[amber field]

Yeah, I see it but It probably one has been added

[inner wedge]

shuvuuia is coming for update 16

[shell sonnet]

I'd say if there's no mention of a tenth species in the next dev diary (or even roadmap), then I think we should accept that Mau mispoke

[steep tulip]

Would kinda suck but yeah

[inner wedge]

THE 10th SPECIES!

THE 10th SPECIES IS REAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!

https://tenor.com/view/one-pice-gif-26834018

[coarse inlet]

I have a theory about the 10th species but I can’t share it because it’s based on a Patreon post

[inner wedge]

let me guess shuvuuia and mononykus are both coming?

[coarse inlet]

I cannot confirm or deny anything (but I don’t think any of the vivarium species will be close relatives of each other)

[abstract compass]

https://tenor.com/view/space-king-space-king-chestnut-warhammer-gif-1233012471148688620

[shell sonnet]

Let me guess, another rhino

[inner wedge]

hopefully we do have because it would be a nice idea to have pseudo-alts for them

[short rover]

I don’t want that I hope all vivarium species are different

Devs can only make so many and I want variety over two closely related animals

[quick ore]

especially with the wide variety of potential options And the potential for them to include entire clades that would be unable to be included in the game otherwise

[late swallow]

feel you h ere, but down the line, i could see them touch back on some clades with some filler species

[flint sable]

waiter waiter

15 billion enanthiornithes and temnospondyls please

[coarse inlet]

true

[steep tulip]

Tbh I feel like all the picks seem to stand out pretty well from one another
I imagine the last one will as well

So far
an arboreal reptile of some kind
Strictly insectivorous dinosaur
Average fuzzy dinosaur
Small croc
Weird bat dino
Fuzzy critter from triassic (either a cynodont or a pterosaur)
Semi aquatic mammal
Grampa
Another mystery dino (prob an ornithischian)

[wary nacelle]

brachytrachelopan cause he just feels like that kinda guy that would be chill in zoos cause he has nothing else to do

[steep tulip]

This the kinda animal kids throw rocks at and then it looks at you like this

[wary nacelle]

He’s just there

Not really here but there

Kids throwing rocks at dinosaurs should be added

That would be fun

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/safari-zone-rock-pokemon-gif-14548806398443002170

🗣️ 🗣️

[wary nacelle]

Also brachytrachelopan easily solos every dinosaur ever happened (I know cause he told me)

So brachytrachelopan vs tyrannosaurus would be cool to see cause brachytrachelopan wins

[shell sonnet]

Sorry I've got only room in my heart for one Dicraeosaurid

[wary nacelle]

The towns is big enough for the both of us

[steep tulip]

Nyeeh

Sorry

Neeiiigh 🐎 🐎

[reef relic]

Amargasaurus for the win

Especially since JWE 2 dropped the ball with their Amarga design

[wary nacelle]

Brachy and amarg are like two peas in a pod guys

[steep tulip]

Yall forgetting the goat dicraeosaurus

Not my goat tho

Someone elses

[shell sonnet]

No, no, no

Amarga is on its on level for the family

[late swallow]

As is Brachytracelopan, that weird motherfucker

[wary nacelle]

Shortest neck to body ratio for a sauropod so weird motherfucker is warranted

[buoyant zenith]

It's giving sauropod tries stegosaur classification but no thagomizer.

[digital bridge]

Poposaurus

[amber field]

We need corcs

[faint oak]

So real

I love the fake dino crocs

So damn cool

Retrosaur but real

[hollow flower]

Popo looks really fucked up

Im a big fan

[faint oak]

[amber field]

Every croc is an appreciated addition

[last thistle]

Albertosaurus

Or gorgosaurus

[late swallow]

[left spear]

Or dasp

Frankly imo i don't really care which of those makes it in

[hollow furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

Perfect pair of alts

[last thistle]

Exactly

I will always advocate for my beloved tho

Dryptosaurus

[ancient ibex]

Eh

[late swallow]

I've seen worse

[ancient ibex]

Leg

[shell sonnet]

A turd doesn't stop being a turd just because there are others that smell worse

[inner wedge]

this fragmentary stigma is so lame

[late swallow]

Real

[steep tulip]

I mean, how much would the understanding of this guy change if we had more material
Not like they had crazy body morphology or anything compared to the rest
And we can use appalachiosaurus as ref too
Doubt they were that much different from eachother

[last thistle]

How bout Appalachiosaurus then

[ancient ibex]

Appalachiosaurus is a Tyrannosaurid half of the time fwiw

[steep tulip]

Not even too crazy about them since megaraptors fill a similar niche already, and drypto material probably needs to be dusted off at least a little
But as I said, how much would the understanding of this guy change if we had more material

[last thistle]

Still a cool animal

[steep tulip]

Its a tyrannosaur looking thing with long arms
There's not much else to it

[ancient ibex]

Alectrosaurs also cover a similar niche and are part of a weird fauna

[last thistle]

That’s what I want in this game

[shell sonnet]

If we had Applachias forelimbs, it would help figure out if it belongs in Tyrannosauridae or not. If it's got short ones, I've seen plenty that of reconstruction with that, then it's an ill match for Drypto.

[last thistle]

I personally believe since it’s Appalachian it’s gonna be close to the other Appalachian one

But I’m no professional

[late swallow]

Reasonable belief

[steep tulip]

I could see that being possible, but I was mainly referring to using its skull as ref for drypto, but even if they more distantly related than previously imagined, it ain't that big of a deal

[ancient ibex]

Except it is consistently more closely related to Tyrannosaurids than to Dryptosaurus even when not a Tyrannosaurid

[shell sonnet]

Keep in mind, that Applachia lived 10 million years before the earliest confirmed Dryptosaurus and within that time Tyrannosaurs had evolved into Albertosaurs, Alioraminis and Tyrannosaurini, and you wouldn't use them to rebuild the others. In fact Applachia is the oldest one on the east side, which is a problem.

The two continents were likely merging with each other at the end the Campanian before Dryptosaurus came around; we might have found ceratopsid teeth in the East, which would be a big deal if true.

[last thistle]

I love learning about Appalachia

It’s so mysterious

[steep tulip]

Fair enough
But as I said, not using appalachio as ref for drypto doesn't change too much anyway

[late swallow]

The mountains know things

[shell sonnet]

Except we don't know how Drypto's skull looks especially in the upper area, that's a problem.

[ancient ibex]

However, Khankhuuluu's description and phylogeny had an alternative hypothesis for at least Aliorams (closest relatives of Tyrannosaurini, even closer than Daspletosaurs), and, basically, it involved Eutyrannosauria dispersing from Asia into NA, diversifying there but Tyrannosaurids proper getting isolated in Laramidia with the WIS' formation, then Daspletosaurus relatives dispersing into Asia, giving rise to Alioramins and Tyrannosaurins, and Tyrannosaurus crossing back into NA

Dryptosaurus is Maastrichian it looks like after all

Deep divergence with Tyrannosaurids

[late swallow]

Tyrannosaurs are a fucking mess

Very interesting, but a mess

[ancient ibex]

(and, at least, this is with Drypto being reasonably close to Tyrannosaurids, rather than more distant than Alectrosaurus or Xiongguanlong, which involves a 60 MY ghost lineage)

Honestly, not really IMO

[late swallow]

I very much would like to see the devs take on all 3 Alioramins

[ancient ibex]

Ah the growth stages Brusatte oversplits

[late swallow]

[ancient ibex]

https://x.com/TomHoltzPaleo/status/1782466746324009066

Thomas R. Holtz, Jr. 🦖💕 (he/him) (@TomHoltzPaleo)

@TM9380 @NatGeo_rge Correct; we don't officially have adult Alioramus yet. There are privately-owned skulls (now repatriated to Mongolia) that show what the adult condition looked like.

X · Apr 22, 2024, 5:49 PM

https://x.com/MesozoicDream/status/1783425229592928745

Mesozoic Travelogue (@MesozoicDream)

@TomHoltzPaleo @TM9380 @NatGeo_rge These seem to be lateral photo of same specimen (now in museum). Do you think they are more robust than published skulls of Alioramus?

X · Apr 25, 2024, 9:18 AM

Honestly, while I want Alberto first, those would rock hard too

[late swallow]

Voris, et al. (2025) (K. mongoliensis) seem to render them as paedomorphic, rather than juvenile, which is an interesting situation

[ancient ibex]

Which, once again, we have grown undescribed specimens

(People trying to own tyrannosaurs is just an utter annoyance)

[late swallow]

Like, private collection?

Because I agree, all I want is an allosaurus tooth and I'm p sure we can spare some of thosr

[ancient ibex]

I got a supposed Spinosaur tooth (but it being crocodylian wouldn't surprise me), but those don't compare to preserved skeletal elements

(Be careful with Allo teeth; Morrison stuff IIRC had issues with radon or some other radioactive issue)

[late swallow]

I got that uranium fever

https://tenor.com/view/roach-starwars-gif-15228216

[wary nacelle]

Berthasaura and before you say no since it’s just an ornithropod just know it’s in Noasauridae and the larger group ceratosauria

[late swallow]

That would be Ceratosauria, not Ceratosauridae

Yknow? Thar things tiny, and I'd reckon funky

[wary nacelle]

Wdym that’s what I wrote obviously /j

[ancient ibex]

Noasaurs going funkier wouldn't surprise me in the upcoming years