Community Species Suggestions

[hollow furnace]

I appreciate that the prehistoric animal named Yoshi, a dinosaur, is not a dinosaur

[late swallow]

Why does this look like it was done on a gameboy printer

[flint sable]

YOSHI

fun fact: yoshi is actually named after a kitty cat

also Yoshi is cool cause it actually has multiple species in the same genus

[flint sable]

one of the writer's cat

[shell sonnet]

I think Vulpavus might be a nice mini; it's a Carnivoraformes from NA with arboreal lifestyle

[silver steeple]

Long ass feet

[zealous hedge]

Largest hyena extinction

[quick ore]

What?

what does that even mean

[late swallow]

let me try to translate - was the largest extinct hyena

[quick ore]

Brad is english your first language?

[zealous hedge]

ASL first language not English language

[quick ore]

I see

[late swallow]

ASL stems from French Sign Language... somehow

[tame thorn]

I thought Simbakuwa was the largest?

[abstract compass]

i'd win.

[quick ore]

Simbakubwa wasn't a hyaenid

[tame thorn]

Simbakubwa ("great lion" in Swahili) is an extinct genus of hyaenodonts belonging to the family Hyainailouridae that lived in Kenya during the Early Miocene

[digital pendant]

Hyaenodonts arent proper hyenas

[tame thorn]

I mean given that argument, eohippus is not a proper horse.

[abstract compass]

eohippus is a part of equidae.

[digital pendant]

Yeah thats the difference

A weasel is closer to a hyena than hyaenodonts are to hyenas

[abstract compass]

hyenas are a part of the herpestoidea superfamily. Hyaenodontids are not a part of herpestoidea.

[tame thorn]

ah right, my bad

[quick ore]

bruh what hyaenodonts aren't hyenas at all

[abstract compass]

they are pan-carnivoras.

[tame thorn]

I assument the name hyeanodont given the name implied it was related

[digital pendant]

At first they thought that

[late swallow]

just means they have similar teeth

[digital pendant]

But not anymore

[quick ore]

it just means "hyena tooth"

that's like thinking Borhyaenids were hyaenids lol

[abstract compass]

learn something new every day

and thats allright

[tame thorn]

subfamilies are confusing. and when you think you got it, there is a clade shuffle

[flint sable]

hyeanadonts arent even carnivorans lol

and have been around since probably the cretaceous

[late swallow]

we're not at the subfamily level here

[flint sable]

they arent even closely related in the slightest

[tame thorn]

I get it, no need to keep talking about it

[flint sable]

k

[quick ore]

aren't hyaenodonts sister to pangolins?

[flint sable]

technically outside the core group of carnivora but fairly close

[flint sable]

not sure actually

ik they are non carnivoran ferae members which pangolins also are

but idk how closely they are related to them

[late swallow]

current loadout of Ferae

so not really

[flint sable]

ye something like this

pangolins most basal and hyaenodonts closer to carnivorans than them

[quick ore]

gotcha

[ancient ibex]

God wikipedia going back to the 80s with those

Certain hyaenodonts have been linked with afrotheres of all things in the past, and the group as a whole has its bouts of being closer to pangolins than to carnivorans, but they are ferans, yet outside of the cat+dog clade that is Carnivora

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dog-cartoon-gif-21973182

Carnivora is this

Still, the usage of Ferae in the nursery makes room for hyaenodons and pangolins and that's neat

Eurotamandua would make a neat terrarium animal

[quick ore]

would it have had scales or not?

[ancient ibex]

Nope

I believe

Eomanis is the one with scales I think

[late swallow]

cool?

[ancient ibex]

Whatever

[zealous hedge]

I like largest hyena best

[ancient ibex]

Pangolins have quite an array of weird extinct relatives, Eurotamandua is the more familiar name, but some weird mammals for vivaria can be sourced from there

[late swallow]

they're so goofy

like there's just a whole ass mole

[ancient ibex]

That Eomanis looks like one of the Animal Crossing hedgehogs and that's glorious

[zealous hedge]

I like largest hyena best

[ancient ibex]

Moles are the crabs of mammals I swear

[flint sable]

TURE

[late swallow]

ture

[ancient ibex]

Literally in the marsupial moles lol

[flint sable]

guh

mole

[late swallow]

what is going on here

[ancient ibex]

Lizard being eaten by an eyeless marsupial whose claws are now pincers

[flint sable]

wait how many times have moles actually re evolved

I know 3 for sure

golden moles, regular moles, marsupial moles

[ancient ibex]

Xenocranium was a pangolin that evolved into a mole form back in the paleocene

FWIW, Ernanodon and Metacheiromys are the pangolins that work as plain weird but regular mammals, Eurotamandua is a pangolin that looks like a tamandua, and Eomanis is a pangolin on the equivalent of shorts and a tank top; any of those could be a neat vivarium animal

[zealous hedge]

I like largest hyena best

[ancient ibex]

You said that 3 times already

[quick ore]

idek what you mean when you say "largest hyena"

[zealous hedge]

Ok

[quick ore]

those are AI summaries you should avoid those

[ancient ibex]

ASL being your mother tongue means you are deaf from birth, or am I misundestanding something?

[zealous hedge]

Are you crazy

I am deaf smart than you

You’re cheap

[quick ore]

Erior was asking a genuine question

<@&181496074169614336>

[digital pendant]

This wasnt worth a moderator ping...

[zealous hedge]

Google is best my life reading than you

[digital pendant]

Alright you can just ignore erior dont need to bother him about that

[zealous hedge]

Ok

[zealous hedge]

Thank

[quick ore]

Erior didn't say anything wrong though?

he was just asking a question

[shell sonnet]

And now we see Carcinization in mammals

[ancient ibex]

I mean, I saw somebody with a posting style quite common on people still learning English, who mentioned ASL as mother language and has deafness referenced in their profile, but ASL is English based, so I was trying to understand what was going on. Seeing I got defensive insults, yeah, don't believe it is worth understanding

[late swallow]

ASL is not english based

sure, the words used are, but the grammar and structure are french

[shell sonnet]

Can we drop this, I want to talk about cool flora and fauna to add

(screw minerals)

[ancient ibex]

Got it, thanks

[late swallow]

np

[ancient ibex]

I mean, we don't have extinct minerals to add lol

[shell sonnet]

That we know of

Perhaps some minerals did disappear from Earth over time

[ancient ibex]

Touché

[slim flare]

Where would they go?

[ancient ibex]

Plenty of oxides in the surface that likely weren't around before green algae poisoned the atmosphere with oxygen after all

[shell sonnet]

absorbed into the earth's mantle, perhaps

[zealous hedge]

Erior not understand me says anything deaFFFFFF

[late swallow]

brad

[zealous hedge]

Yes

[late swallow]

Chill

he didn't mean anything ill by it, its been settled

[zealous hedge]

Ok thank

[zealous hedge]

Thank

Sea mink

[shell sonnet]

Some ideas for a Wasatch Formation pack:
Pachyaena ossifraga
Stylinodon mirus
Coryphodon lobatus
Barylambda faberi
Phenacodus (there's quite a few species here)
Palaeosinopa (semi-aquatic mini, actually could an option for our semi-aquatic mammal)
Notharctus (Mini)
Oxyaena lupina (mini)

Wish I knew what was up with Arctocyon nexus, because that genera would be great to add

[quick ore]

the early Eocene is very overlooked, I think these are great options!

[feral cedar]

not a very likely inclusion

[toxic oriole]

Extinct Dog Breeds or something?

Kinda pointless if you could just give them to pet stores

No wait, not pet stores

Humane Society animal shelters

[zealous hedge]

It fake AI google

[zealous hedge]

What prehistoric dogs breeds??? Wild to domestic dogs.

[quick ore]

I feel like extinct "breeds" feel unlikely for a number of reasons, and mainly because they are both literally extant species and bred by humans

the closest thing to an "extinct breed" that is likely to get into the game is the Quagga given it is just an extinct population/subspecies of plains zebra

[coarse inlet]

yeah I was about to mention the Quagga

[quick ore]

more than anything I think "extinct breeds" would be seen as wasted slots for a game like this

[zealous hedge]

Quagga is good horses

[quick ore]

what did you mean by this? she didn't mention anything from google AI

[zealous hedge]

👇 👇 👇

[quick ore]

that doesn't answer what I asked, why did you reply to Devie with that?

[feral cedar]

then why did you post it

[zealous hedge]

I try say fake AI google

[zealous hedge]

I am post googles reading

[quick ore]

Brad are you putting what we are saying through a translator? I feel like you are misunderstanding us

[zealous hedge]

I am ASL

Not understand you

[quick ore]

So are you still learning English?

[zealous hedge]

Yes

[quick ore]

how old are you?

[zealous hedge]

I am age is 25

@quick ore

[quick ore]

ok

[zealous hedge]

Add America cheetah in PK???

[coarse inlet]

that'd be neat if Miracinonyx wasnt probably just a slightly faster cougar

[late swallow]

Miracinonyx doesn't really do much for the game imo

[slim flare]

Lies for the weak

[slim flare]

Counterpoint: PK has no cougar either

[zealous hedge]

Add Castoroides in PK???

[slim flare]

Are you actually an alt of EZ?

[quick ore]

that doesn't explain the difference in english fluency

[toxic oriole]

Cut the guy some slack

[slim flare]

True…

It is really similar still. Mammal suggestions worded as exaggerated questions.

[loud pelican]

I think this game boutta get Deinosuchus before JWE3

[lean hound]

d

accident

[sharp dock]

pholidota moment

[steep tulip]

Arthropleura pulmonoscorpius and meganeura in u19 so we can recreate prehistoric park (kinda)
If that does happen and our other predictions are true, we would be missing ornithomimus, the mongolian titanosaur and troodon

[amber field]

What happened to him, I didn't see him for a while

[slim flare]

Idk

[fresh ember]

Pretty sure he got bullied off the server.

[amber field]

Probably that why he went gone, hope he is okay

[late swallow]

correct

[left spear]

Shameful moment for the server

[neat iris]

Didn’t they say something about arthropleura possibly being too difficult to animate?

[steep tulip]

I don't think they did

Or maybe they did but for arthropleura as a full exhibit animal and not a vivarium one

[reef relic]

I suppose it wouldn't be too much of a problem if it was done like the vivariums.

[coarse inlet]

some people have brought that up but I dont think the devs have

[reef relic]

Yeah, I dunno about "too difficult", looking at the way the devs have tackled stuff like dynamic growth, nesting, and a custom feather shader.

[coarse inlet]

yeah, it'd be very different but so long as it's a predetermined path I think it's very doable

[steep tulip]

Mhm
I also did in the past, arthropleura and snakes would be very complex to animate due to their hitbox

[coarse inlet]

yes, outside of vivariums

vivariums and the way the system is being done seems like a good place to include them

[steep tulip]

Like they use their entire body to move around basically, clipping would be a very major issue to tackle

[steep tulip]

Agreed

And there are ways to get around animating all those legs with some in-software methods

I remember in blender there were wave modifiers that you could use to offset the legs movement and create a realistic motion without having to animate every single leg

I'm sure other softwares have it as well

[amber field]

Speaking of carboniferous animals , I want to see some sea scorpion like "hibbertopterus "

[steep tulip]

Hibbert would be cool, I think it was semi aquatic

[amber field]

It's pretty big !!

but I think the more famous "bug" will get the slot

[reef relic]

is this a bed buge

[amber field]

Sea scorpion

Pulmonoscorpius too would be cool

[reef relic]

Can it still be a "sea" scorpion if it's from a freshwater formation?

I guess freshwater scorpion doesn't have the same pizzazz

[amber field]

the group called sea scorpions instead of Eurypterids for easier communication

[slim flare]

That’s Brontoscorpio

[amber field]

One of them would be a great addition,

[slim flare]

Brontoscorpio is just this and possibly not even a scorpion

[amber field]

Then Pulmonoscorpius will be the choice

[reef relic]

Yee I know I'm just meme'ing.

[reef relic]

inb4 it's a giant vinegaroon. Honestly any type of bug the size of a dog would be cool as hell to see irl

[slim flare]

I mean it may be a crustacean

[amber field]

I can't get it if you just put a plain text add some funny emoji 😅

[slim flare]

Pulmonoscorpius is awesome tho

[reef relic]

My deurodivergent ass cannot understand the meaning behind text unless someone puts an emoji or a lol in there lmao

[amber field]

I think this is it fossil ?

[amber field]

True .... true 😭

[slim flare]

There’s at least 16 complete specimens

But yeah I think that’s one of them

[reef relic]

I remember being completely terrified when Nigel got stung by that thing in PhP. I get the correlation of "larger scorpion, weaker venom" but the evolutionary distance is so great that I'd imagine our bodies would freak out anyways. Even as a kid I remember thinking "there's no way that's like a bee sting"

[amber field]

Crassigyrinus

[steep tulip]

This guy would be great as well

Nigel brought it back this time

[slim flare]

Nigel starts mutating into a Pulmonoscorpius

[amber field]

So perhaps : arthropleura ,meganeura , but what other kind of amphibians

[steep tulip]

Hard to pick

Not tetrapods but ichtyostega or acanthostega would be cool as well

[amber field]

Perhaps some temnospondyl ?

[steep tulip]

They are all pretty unknown except for the one that survived to the permian (like eryops or platyhystrix)

There was one that was pretty big but I forgot the name

[amber field]

platyhystrix would be a nice small critter

[zealous hedge]

Anguilla ignota add in PK EEL

[neat iris]

Honestly, with how big some of the vivariums are, they could probably get away with putting arthropleura in one

[waxen mango]

I would like to See Dicraeosaurus, Barosaurus and Alamosaurus for Prehistoric Kingdom

[coarse inlet]

I'd love Barosaurus but that's not what it looked like

[zealous hedge]

Anguilla ignota add in PK EEL

[quick ore]

you said that already

[buoyant vault]

personally i absolutely need quaggas

like

ik they’re just a lame subspecies but they’re basic horses and i love them

some smaller hadros would be nice too

[hollow furnace]

Quagga is basically confirmed

Recently extinct dlc as one of the first DLCs post EA

[buoyant vault]

[slim flare]

Quagga and wild horse confirmed

At least a moa species soft concerned

The rest can be speculated to roughly align with the Kickstarter roster

[hollow furnace]

Yeah, depending on how many slots we end up with

[shell sonnet]

What counts as small?

[hollow furnace]

Which probably means no warrah sad

[shell sonnet]

Bactrosaurus could work as a small hadrosaur.

[slim flare]

We’ll see

[shell sonnet]

Telmatosaurus also works thanks to island dwarfism

[buoyant vault]

smaller than the ones we’ve got now (lamb/really big lamb (magna ref), para, e. regalis and annectens afaik)

[hollow furnace]

Not technically a hadrosaur sensu stricto but Tethyshadros would be nice

[buoyant vault]

bactro and telmato would be cool

[slim flare]

Maiasaura…

[buoyant vault]

OOOH YEAH MAIA

im gonna advocate for brachylopho just because of leonardo

[steep tulip]

Can't wait to get the bramble clay mosaic-tailed rat in the RE dlc

[shell sonnet]

Maia is not small

[slim flare]

Maiasaura is my second Hadrosaurid after Saurolophus

Saurolophus has too much good going on

[buoyant vault]

my favorite hadrosaurid is lambeo

i liked it a lot at first but path of titans made me adore it for some reason

[slim flare]

Mine is Parasaurolophus walkeri tbh

[buoyant vault]

para is awesome

if we’re talking in-game id say p. walkeri’s probably my favorite with e. regalis as a close second

lambeo’s third but thats only because i dont like a lot of its skins too much

[shell sonnet]

It's a good find, just a shame that every other dino from there is unnameable

[steep tulip]

Theres one from the maastrichtian that's basically the same but spain

Forgot its name

[shell sonnet]

Pararhabdodon, wouldn't really recommend it

[steep tulip]

Not that one

Although from what I remember the other guy ain't great fossil wise
Tho maybe its from a decent formation

Fylax

I think its better to stick with tethyshadros

[shell sonnet]

I think it's better to stick to the Haateg Island resident

[ancient dagger]

Given the game's comparatively small set of mammals for the time being (half of which being rhinos), I present my species roster suggestions for exhibit sized land mammals. Underlined ones have strong evidence for coming before EA ends. Fully marine mammals are not included. 38 I think is a reasonable set by the end of the game's lifespan post-EA

American Mastodon
Ambulocetus
Amphicyon
Andrewsarchus
Auroch
Bluebuck
Camelops
Cave Bear
Cave Lion
Daeodon
Deinotherium
Diprotodon
Dire Wolf
Doedicurus
Elasmotherium
Gigantopithecus
Gomphotherium
Hyaenodon
Ice Age Bison
Macrauchenia
Megacerops
Megaloceros
Megatherium
Moeritherium
Moropus
Palaeoloxodon
Paraceratherium
Procoptodon
Procranioceras
Quagga
Short-Faced Bear
Sivatherium
Smilodon
Toxodon
Thylacine
Uintatherium
Woolly Mammoth
Woolly Rhino

[toxic oriole]

You might have to cross out Quagga + Wild Horse since they seem to be confirmed

And Thylacine... Well tbf, its obvious they might include it in the RE DLC

[coarse inlet]

Good picks. No Procoptodon or Synthetoceras though?

[toxic oriole]

... Actually wait, how are you handling this stuff?
Cross out animals that are ingame or something else?

[coarse inlet]

Already in game are crossed out, possibly planned look to be underlined

[toxic oriole]

Confirmed should be bold

Oh wait

... Yeah tbf

[quick ore]

Personally I think Andrewsarchus is a poor choice. I know that the game doesn't have a rule against fragmentary species but Andrewsarchus in particular is just a huge mystery when it comes to whatever the rest of it looked like. IMO there are much better mammals to choose than it, like perhaps Megistotherium.

[toxic oriole]

I hear them saying Quagga + Wild Horse confirmed

[coarse inlet]

Agreed

[toxic oriole]

So uhhh

Shouldn't the equines be underlined?

Sure it'll be far later

[quick ore]

also it's *Palaeoloxodon

[toxic oriole]

When the DLC is getting worked on

[coarse inlet]

Oh my god for weeks I’ve thought your icon was Mario’s head am I blind

[toxic oriole]

My PFP is something of my own

[coarse inlet]

I see that now

[toxic oriole]

Anyways, on the topic of this list...

[coarse inlet]

My brain just somehow filled it in

[toxic oriole]

Palaeoloxodon has plenty of specimens to choose from

Especially those Island Dwarfism species

Theres enough of them to fill many places

[quick ore]

(also since I have to assume that Bluebuck is there as a RE species choice I disagree with its inclusion over other mammals like subfossil lemurs)

[toxic oriole]

Also Hyaenodon has some stuff from old versions of the game

So uhhh

In the game at one point

Later taken out

May or may not come back, unsure

[proper raven]

that blurred post-EA idea list may have both Paleoloxodon sizes

Andrewsarchus also has already a better rep, Daeodon

[ancient ibex]

Tsintaosaurus but poorly known

[amber field]

The bigger one can hold multiple ones

[ancient dagger]

Those already in game

[ancient dagger]

I wanted to keep it to a reasonable number, but I was wondering what I was missing

[ancient dagger]

Walking with Beasts bias

[ancient dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-nerd-yelling-insult-gif-7884166

/j

[ancient dagger]

Was also thinking Columbian Mammoth as an alt genus of Palaeoloxodon

One skin for P. namadicus, one P. falconeri, one for M. columbi

[late swallow]

Lmao what

[proper raven]

[buoyant zephyr]

YOU

Good choices 😀

[ancient dagger]

ME

[reef relic]

https://tenor.com/view/driving-umbrella-academy-five-vanya-road-rage-gif-18074248

We meet again brother

Based choices

[ancient dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/herus-billy-butcher-homelander-türk-türk-billy-butcher-gif-1107355102694912636

[ancient dagger]

Been lurking here for years, only just now decided to pop out for a suggestion haha

Added Procoptodon so final tally is 36

[shell sonnet]

Personal opinion, I think 50-75 non-recently extinct cenozoics mains (not counting alts and minis) is a fine bench mark

[ancient dagger]

50 is probably my maximum

[shell sonnet]

I'm saying this because I think you can get away with removing the Quagga, Thyacline and Bluebuck. They're not bad choices, I just treat them as their own thing.

[ancient dagger]

Fair

I just kinda lump Cenozoic land mammals together

[short rover]

I think the Cenozoic fauna will be eclipsed by Mesozoic fauna overall by the end of the games run

[shell sonnet]

Also you're missing some possible must haves: Platybelodon, Glyptodon, Anisodon, Homotherium, Skinnerhyus, Megistotherium

[plush nacelle]

I also doub moeritherium is good choice

WWB bias aside

[short rover]

Moeri is cool regaurdless of wwb

[plush nacelle]

They put trunk on it to make it look like elephant ancestor

[shell sonnet]

I mean let's face; dinosaurs do have a lot more charisma; just compare Dino wiki with non-hominid Cenozoic wiki

[digital pendant]

they put a trunk because thats what was thought it had

we now know that isnt the case

this piece of art is MUCH older than WWB

it wasnt bbc pulling smth out of their ass

[shell sonnet]

We thought a lot of thinks had trunks back then

[digital pendant]

yes

[short rover]

Mhmm. It’s kinda the reality of situation

Which I’m okay with, both are cool and the devs cook regardless

[digital pendant]

a lot of information on cenozoics is also buried in really old texts (cenozoic paleo being older) that arent easy to access which limits information

in contrast to dinosaur stuff

even going through biodiversity library, its a pain in the butt for some animals

[short rover]

There are so many cool Cenozoic clades for the game that would be awesome

I want barina so bad

[shell sonnet]

Amusing that the first thing you chose isn't a mammal; even the cenozoic has an Archosaur bias

[short rover]

Amusing that you assume cuz I think that barina is a cool animal there’s an archosaur bias the permeates the entire Cenozoic

[digital pendant]

not really?

[shell sonnet]

It's a joke, I just thought it funny that Hillster's most wanted Cenozoic animal was an archosaur when we're talking about how the Mesozoic dominates at the Cenozoic's expense.

[digital pendant]

it isnt exclusively regarding dinosaurs tbf, also accounts for the many marine animals and pterosaurs

thank jurassic park for that, mesozoic and park go together well in the mind of most people

[shell sonnet]

Even then I would still say you'd probably get more non-mammals in a top ten most popular cenozoic list than you would for non-dinos in a similar list for the Mesozoic

[digital pendant]

a croc and a terror bird for sure, but would be mostly mammals

[shell sonnet]

You forgot the shark and the snake

[digital pendant]

true but still pretty balanced

cenozoic had bangers from many clades not just mammals

[short rover]

Terror bird of some kind and megalodon would def make it, I honestly think a croc would miss out in the face of stuff like sabers, dire wolves, mammoths, and sloths etc

[shell sonnet]

Terror bird, Megalodon and Titanaboa would make it for sure, don't think a croc would

[digital pendant]

purussaurus possibly

[shell sonnet]

In the top ten? Probably not. Top twenty, maybe?

[digital pendant]

who are you to assume?

huge croc is huge croc

[silver steeple]

I could definitely see Barina or Purru make it up pretty far in a list

[shell sonnet]

Mostly because the huge prehistoric croc is mesozoic

[silver steeple]

I do think in terms of "normal" crocs, Sarco and Deino probably take it well before Purru

[hollow flower]

As much as I enjoy Purru I gotta agree

[silver steeple]

Deino even has alt potential

[digital pendant]

this is strictly a cenozoic talk tbf

[hollow flower]

What would that be?

[silver steeple]

The eastern and western species

[short rover]

Mosasaurus 🔥

[silver steeple]

Probably hatcheri and schwimmeri

schwimmeri being considerably smaller, from appalachia

[shell sonnet]

Sure, but I'd be hard pressed to think of Purru as on level with mammoths, saber-tooths, woolly rhinos, ground sloths, dire wolves, terror birds, megalodon or titanoboa

[plush nacelle]

I think JWE community did small cenozoic wishlist

[digital pendant]

also i believe deino has been oversized by fadeno? i would take his charts with a grain of salt

[plush nacelle]

Imma find it out

[toxic oriole]

Isnt there also recent stuff that showed a Terror Bird getting attacked by a Croc? (Presumably Purussaurus attacked the Terror Bird)

[silver steeple]

Even disregarding those its still the biggest afaik

[digital pendant]

i can tell you have not interacted with the cenozoic circles of people

[toxic oriole]

I know Purussaurus is a caiman, but tbf...

[digital pendant]

think so but not by much as proposed by fadeno

[hollow flower]

Purru is the biggest if we count actual crocodiles

[short rover]

Quick someone get google stats to mathematically prove what the top 10 Cenozoic animals would be

[short rover]

Big guy

[silver steeple]

This is Random's

[hollow flower]

one thing is certain is mammoths dominance over the cenozoic

[silver steeple]

Who is notorius for getting basically the smallest estimates possible for giant stuff

[short rover]

Doing the lords work fr

[digital pendant]

yeah that is a smidge shorter than puru which checks out

[plush nacelle]

1. Smilodon
2. Woolly Mammoth
3. Megatherium
4. Titanis
5. Basilosaurus
6. Kelenken
7. Phorusrhacos
8. Paraceratherium
9. Columbian mammoth
10. Titanoboa

[digital pendant]

and i trust random's a lot more because i know he is super thorough with his measurements

[silver steeple]

Mhm

Trying to find a schwimmeri for reference but that's easier said than done apparently

[digital pendant]

and thats the largest known specimen as well so not the average for sure

[silver steeple]

Mhm

[toxic oriole]

I overheard Mau say that Titanoboa is too big for the vivariums or something, thats for sure

[silver steeple]

Still an 11m animal

I think schwimmeri clocks in at like 7?

[digital pendant]

unfortunately it is

[toxic oriole]

Well theres always Madtsoia itself

[silver steeple]

Not by AZA standards

[toxic oriole]

Whether it'd be madagascariensis or the other members

Eh, madagascariensis is the largest Mesozoic snake in my eyes

Unless another one is discovered...

[hollow flower]

Hopefully its a gurneyi situation where the devs change their minds on it

[toxic oriole]

Though I have to wonder

The smallest Madtsoia species is the one from the mesozoic, yes?

[silver steeple]

But yeah D. schwimmeri is easy ontogeny alt

[toxic oriole]

Or am I thinking of the Cenozoic?

Eh, Madtsoia has potential for both Mesozoic and Cenozoic representation

Win win if you ask me

[hollow flower]

Realistically id reckon the mesozoic one but dont take my word for it

[toxic oriole]

And I'm not talking Madagascariensis

That ones different

Its the 2nd mesozoic one

[silver steeple]

Altough I suppose Purru can be a 3 way alt, dunno how different the 3 are tho

[short rover]

I’m pretty sure purru is pretty diff

[silver steeple]

Oh huh

[short rover]

Afaik

[silver steeple]

Sarco also has 2 species

[toxic oriole]

Interesting

How many of the Mesozoic crocodiles have multiple species?

[silver steeple]

Here we go

S. hartti is significantly smaller

[toxic oriole]

Now Stomatosuchus is an interesting case, yes?

Sure, one of its fossils were destroyed

But uhhh, they found more of it, yes?

At this rate I might as well call Stomatosuchus by megamouth crocomorph

[steep tulip]

50/75 is already more than what I'm expecting tbh

How many we have ingame rn

10 different genera

[plush nacelle]

I think this new locomotion system in vivariums is also not doing titanoboa favor. Based on description animals are now using standard walking animation to move between random points, which in snake case would create silly interactions. Like what would happen, if it decided to go backwards

[toxic oriole]

Yeah they'd have to find another way to implement the snakes

[steep tulip]

Titanoboa would definitely need its own "vivarium"

Tho I hope it's fine for arthropleura

It faces the same problem as snakes for its locomotion since it basically uses the majority of its body to move

So it does need more space to turn

But at least its a fair bit shorter than titanoboa

[plush nacelle]

Moving only forward

[left spear]

Arthro is only 2m long

It can fit perfectly in the medium and large vivariums

[shell sonnet]

I think of 50-75 as the ideal for a wishlist, not what I expect. I've got a 100 (non-mini) Mesozoic dino list, and I'd be surprised if we got to half of that.

[left spear]

Besides It could easely be an exhibit either way

[steep tulip]

Fair enough

[steep tulip]

Arthropleura?

Unfortunately I don't think so

[plush nacelle]

Mau already said these would end up in vivarium

[left spear]

You don't need to animate the legs really

Just make sure the segments moving look good and you're set

[steep tulip]

There would be a lot of issues with clipping and IKs (tbh I'm not even sure how you set them up for something like arthro)
Unless they develop a different way to animate it, I doubt it its gonna happen

The legs aren't the problem

Kinda

[left spear]

Also tbh i think minor clipping on arthro in exchange for It being an exhibit is worth it

[steep tulip]

Have devs ever shown off how hitboxes look in the game

Like the terrain would have the be basically flat all the time for it to not get wonky I imagine
Without counting in clipping

Unfortunately without knowing how the hitboxes are set up I can't know how hard it could realistically be

[slim flare]

Suggestion from left field: Amphicotylus, which is known from a nearly complete specimen from the Morrison Formation. It’ll never happen but I think it’s cool to acknowledge that the Morrison Formation has crocodilians.

[left spear]

I mean it's nice "filler" for a Morrison dlc

[coarse inlet]

Yeah that’s the one non dinosaur from the Morrison I could picture as a full habitat species

[noble gazelle]

Cryolophosaurus, It's quite unusual in appearance, I think it would look very cool in the game :P

[toxic oriole]

Since that is one of the important dinosaurs

It may show up someday

Important in the sense of being the first Dinosaur to be discovered on Mainland Antarctica (As far as I know)

There really isnt much you can do for an Antarctica DLC, though the best you could do is bundle it with Australia as well

[lean hound]

Soo

arctic dlc..?

[lean hound]

Cryolophosaurus btw

[noble gazelle]

I apologize, English is not my native language. I will correct it now :3

[lean hound]

Noo don't apologise I was just letting you know

[noble gazelle]

I hope so, it's a very interesting dinosaur.

[noble gazelle]

Thanks for pointing out the mistake <3

[late swallow]

love cryo

[feral cedar]

50 extinct Cenozoics not counting alts and vivariums?

highly unlikely

[shell sonnet]

For a wishlist it's fine;

the goal of a list anyway should be trying to learn what you can and figure out what would be unique, where you can fit alts, and fill out formations/groups

[left spear]

Yeah realistic wishlists aren't wishlists they're predictions

[inner wedge]

five thousand dinosaurs

[quick ore]

500 mammals

https://tenor.com/view/500-cigarettes-five-hundred-cigarettes-gif-6779891482871762392

[slim flare]

^

[sharp dock]

lmao

[amber field]

tbh , this need to be full fledge channel .

[steep tulip]

We don't want tourists here

[amber field]

You mean peoples who just passing by ?

[late swallow]

Bots

[amber field]

ahh ..

[silver steeple]

What would that possibly do that this can't

[amber field]

I just think how it becomes frequently visited compare to normal feedback , basically become too big

[silver steeple]

What

[amber field]

I corrected it 😅 . nvm it's just a though

[plush nacelle]

People simply like to talk about animals they want to see in the game

[amber field]

yeah I know

[tame thorn]

Australia rep 🇦🇺

Diamantinasaurus - the most complete sauropod excavated in Winton Australia

[violet ridge]

Dryptosaurus

[outer crater]

Falklands wolf for recently extinct

[waxen mango]

I would want to see another Mammuthus species like Mammuthus Columbi/Columbian Mammoth.

[late swallow]

M. columbi would be a nice addition to La Brea, and I'd love to see M. exilus as well

[short rover]

The tide pool enrichment item I doubt ever

But in the future I hope we get mini tanks similar to it

Would love a trilobite touch pool

[magic grotto]

Oof true true

I'm sorry for deleting it. I wasn't sure if we were allowed to talk about Patreon stuff here or not

[late swallow]

Grandpa touch tankkkk

(Not functional but like)

[late swallow]

Not technically, also if you go to Patreon's Web page, you can link to discord and get the badge

[ancient dagger]

Since my land mammals list caused a lot of discussion, let's try another topic: Non-Dino reptiles. Here are my roster suggestions for exhibit-sized non-dinosaur reptiles, which includes Pterosaurs. Like before, underlined ones have strong evidence for coming to EA. Synapsids don't count, those will get their own list later. 28 (not counting alt genera in these lists) I think is a fair number but feel free to suggest any I missed. Some notes:

*Only land reptiles, marine ones will get their own list
*Therapsids don't count, they'll also et their own list
*Non-vivarium animals. All vivarium animals will all get a single list

Armadillosuchus
Barbaridactylus
Barinasuchus
Deinosuchus
Desmatosuchus
Dsungaripterus
Effigia
Grandidier's Giant Tortoise
Istiodactylus
Kaprosuchus
Megalania
Megalochelys
Meiolania
Pinta Island Tortoise
Postosuchus
Proterosuchus
Pteranodon
Purrusaurus
Quetzalcoatlus
Quinkana
Rutiodon
Sarcosuchus
Scutosaurus
Stupendemys
Tanystropheus
Tapejara
Titanoboa
Tropeognathus

[late swallow]

That went extinct

13 years ago

RIP Lonesome George

[magic grotto]

OOO noted

[ancient dagger]

If it's extinct, it's fair game

[ancient dagger]

Also, agreed

[late swallow]

Is it tho

Like idk if "13 years ago" would actually fly for the RE DLC

[ancient dagger]

Plus, it also makes for a good little mascot animal to show extinction is still happening now

[late swallow]

I just feel weird about it

[ancient dagger]

I could swap it with Megalochelys

[toxic oriole]

Or even...
STUPENDEMYS

[ancient dagger]

Ooooo

Maybe

[late swallow]

Stupen is the best choice unless you're looking specifically for a RE turtle, then you'd want one of the Malagasy turtles

[ancient dagger]

Or I can just do both

26 is still a fair number

[late swallow]

Overall solid choices

[ancient dagger]

Danke

Vivarium reptiles and mammals and bugs and etc will be combined to 1 list

[ancient dagger]

Added Grandidier's giant tortoise

So we got a fair number of tortoises, some big crocs, a snake, some phytosaurs, a rauisuchian, a big lizard, classic pterosaurs, and a dinosauromorph

[shell sonnet]

Most of this is good with a few recs:
Barbaridactylus should just be replaced with Nytco; we don't actually have evidence Barbari had a crest (Nycto is the only Nyctosaurid we've found one for)
Replace Tapejara with Tupandactylus. Most of old reconstructions of Tapejara were based on Tupan specimen and that's the one with the really crazy crest.
Stupendemys make more sense as a vivarium material if Tiktaalik is one. It's big but it's not big enough for an animal with a semi-aquatic lifestyle.
Same with Titanaboa; that one's movment is a going to be a lot of work for a free roaming animal that really didn't venture out of the land
Pinta Island Tortoise is recently extinct material, so doesn't really belong on this list
You don't have either Rhamphorhynchus nor Pterodaustro nor Thalassodromeus. Fix this

The superior recently extinct tortoise

[quick ore]

give the Dodo their canon friend for cohabs!!!

[toxic oriole]

You mean its closest relative BEFORE said relative died out too?

[quick ore]

also Pinta Island Tortoise ain't even technically extinct, there's still first gen hybrids alive today

[shell sonnet]

I don't know how much material we have for either Mauritius giant tortoise species, but we do have the taxidermy of the related saddle-backed one from nearby Rodrigues, so there's a lot more to work with

[ancient dagger]

Unless they keep threatening each other like the Oviraptor does to Protoceratops lmao

[quick ore]

doubtful

[ancient dagger]

All noted. I was thinking Nycto could be the alt genus of Barbari, or the other way around. Same with Tupan and Tapejara

[toxic oriole]

I cast TOROSAURUS once again

[shell sonnet]

I conjure up Jack Horner, wiping it out from existence

[toxic oriole]

I cast the FUCK YOUR OPINION IT SHOULD BE ADDED REGARDLESS!!! card

[quick ore]

I counter Jack Horner with the age of consent

[toxic oriole]

Don't even know who Jack Horner is anyways

[ancient dagger]

I counter Jack Horner with a hunting T.rex

[toxic oriole]

All I know is that he REALLY hates T-Rex

What'd the guy ever do to him?

[shell sonnet]

Age of consent was not the problem, they were both adults. The issue was that he was a professor and she was a student and therefore had an unequal power dynamic.

[ancient dagger]

Still, a 19 year old is a bit of a red flag

[shell sonnet]

And if he was 25?

[toxic oriole]

Torosaurus + Pentaceratops even if they were never related
Too late for Triceratops to have Torosaurus as an alt, so the best I could conjure up is other ones

[ancient dagger]

It’s like how going 59 on a highway isn’t technically speeding but you might as well be

[toxic oriole]

Its way too late for that.

[ancient dagger]

19 and 25 is one thing. Still a gap in life experience but it’s manageable

[toxic oriole]

1925?
The year? That was like 100 years ago man!

[ancient dagger]

When in your 50s-70s with a 19 year old, that gets very icky

[toxic oriole]

i have no idea what y'all are going on about

[ancient dagger]

Jack Horner dated one of his undergrads

[toxic oriole]

Yikes

[sinful coyote]

peak loser behavior

[late swallow]

Finger tort

[late swallow]

You really ought to seek knowledge

[neat iris]

Pretty much the laughing stock of the paleontology community

Swore up and down that T-Rex was only a scavenger and that triceratops was a juvenile torosaurus

[plush nacelle]

Paleo community wouldnt be fun without people like him

[waxen mango]

I wish Prehistoric Kingdom should more Tyrannosaurus Species (T. Mcraensis, T. Vannus and T. Brinkmani) because I want see more Tyrannosaurus Species.

[toxic oriole]

See, mcraeensis was described after the game had uhhh

I'll admit though, not bad concepts

[outer crater]

Nurulagus

[toxic oriole]

The chungus

As for the other Tyrannosaurus species... Arent they dubious or something? Reassigned to other animals?
I don't know for sure, might have to double check

[fresh ember]

Only mccraensis is valid.

[late swallow]

And well

Rex, of course

[shell sonnet]

None of those are legit though

[shell sonnet]

It isn't

Lot of research in recent years have called into question

[toxic oriole]

So mcraensis is just questionable at best

Could be either way with that one

[waxen mango]

It’s speculative that T. Vannus is the biggest Tyrannosaurus species.

[fresh ember]

Regardless, Tarbosaurus is more than enough.

[waxen mango]

Tarbosaurus is different from T-Rex.

[shell sonnet]

It's an alt

It fills the same role

[toxic oriole]

The hell even is Tyrannosaurus vannus? No such thing even exists, not even checking the additional species part of Tyrannosaurus' wikipedia page has shown ANYTHING regarding that one OR brinkmani

[shell sonnet]

Vannus was never publish in official capacity

Just something the Quezta guy mused about

[toxic oriole]

Yet T. regina and imperator got that publishment stuff, though they were shot down quite fast

Its funny

[waxen mango]

It’s speculated that T-Vannus was bigger than T-Rex

[fresh ember]

You're missing the point entirely.

[shell sonnet]

Again, Vannus does not exist. It's never been officially described

[toxic oriole]

Assuming vannus and brinkmani DID get published, I could expect a similar result from the imperator and regina case

Which they didnt

... At least, I think brinkmani didnt

[fresh ember]

I lowkey expect brinkmani to get renamed if it does get published as a new taxa.

[waxen mango]

It should’ve been ancestral to T-Rex.

[toxic oriole]

Okay thats something else entirely

[fresh ember]

Either way, not all species needs multiple alts, if any at all. And again, Tarbosaurus (which is an alt itself) aside, T. rex is one of those cases.

[toxic oriole]

No way of knowing what Tyrannosaur of North America was truly ancestral to T-Rex

Infact, same can be said for most prehistoric animals in the fossil record

Though theres some exceptions of course, looking at you Triceratops.

... Y'know I don't really get it
How was Hubbels Great White proven to be ancestral to the Great White Shark, assuming thats even true?

[shell sonnet]

More likely than not, they came from Asia

[waxen mango]

Like Zhuchengtyrannus Magnus

[toxic oriole]

I only bring up Hubbels White Shark because its said to be the in between between a certain shark and then the Great White Shark of today

[shell sonnet]

Probably yeah

[toxic oriole]

The one thats larger than Tarbosaurus

Yet not as complete in the fossil record

Though they are still searching from what I can guess

[shell sonnet]

And really if we needed another alt for Rex, then it would be Zhuchengtyrannus. But come on, there's hundreds of animals that should make it before an obscure T-Rex alt.

[outer crater]

Rex coprolite is Tyrannosaurus Poopyensis

[toxic oriole]

Its too late for Giganotosaurus to be an alt for Carcharodontosaurus, but then again one can make do with whats present
Giga + Mapu

Then again, DLC's may add em at some point anyways

🤷‍♀️

Ya never know

[waxen mango]

Or a Future update if it’s worth possible.

[shell sonnet]

They are going to charge you for it, if it gets made

[toxic oriole]

I wouldn't mind

Especially if it means an excuse to have Giganotosaurus and Mapusaurus in the same room

... Mapu has some popularity in some documentaries, yes?

Some of which show em hunting down Argentinosaurus, I think?

I can barely remember

All I know is that those two animals co-existed with each other in the Huincul formation (Mapu and Argent)

... Could see a Huincul formation DLC being made

And since Argent is already present, Mapu might be the star of it, unless theres another fairly popular Huincul animal

... Yeah I don't know for sure

Could combine Huincul and the formation Giganotosaurus was found in into a DLC pack

Fuck it, Early-Late Cretaceous South America DLC pack with a few highlights

[late swallow]

"Recent years" - past year and a half

Original dating was sketch, junior syn to rex

Tl;dr: it's all T. rex all the way down

Except for bataar, but that got split out from Tyrannosaurus entirely

[shell sonnet]

Look it's been going back and forth for a long time, but at the moment I don't think the splitters are in the right

[late swallow]

I'm with you

But the naming of mccraensis was just last year

[shell sonnet]

The idea that NMMNH P-3698 is a separate species goes back to 1990 at latest

[late swallow]

Yes

But the sp. nov. of mccraensis was in 2024

[shell sonnet]

Fair

[slim flare]

Also it’s a nothing species tbf

[late swallow]

Established

Junior synonym of T. rex, just like regina and imperator

[shell sonnet]

And Nano

[late swallow]

Which, sick ass names

[late swallow]

Correct

Unless Jane throws a curveball

Which, I doubt it

[slim flare]

Hahahaha

[late swallow]

Do you have any actual evidence or are you just gonna be loud about nano

[late swallow]

Too much aura in one image

[slim flare]

Not really the chat for it. Have you not heard the whole debate?

[late swallow]

It's all cope

And not E.D.

[slim flare]

ED?

[late swallow]

Edward Drinker

A bone warrior

[slim flare]

Ah

[silver steeple]

Its not but believe what you wish

[slow shoal]

basically there are a few factors that incline me and others to at least be a lot more open to Nano being real

ik Skeleton Crew has mentioned some things in passing

but regardless its not gonna be in PK

[coarse inlet]

Skeleton Crew seemed pretty solidly not in favor of Nano last I'd heard

[slow shoal]

i dont have the clip but something along the lines of "or if you are extremely gullible as part of a growth series"

[flint sable]

iirc something about tooth count was part of it

[slow shoal]

ye

rex would basically have to re-absorb its tooth sockets in a way literally no other tyrannosaur does

[slim flare]

Also the arms

[slim flare]

Legitimately I do want Nanotyrannus if it comes out separate and largely supported

[flint sable]

kinda makes me wonder what Nanotyrannus is if it does turn out to be valid

Alioramin? related to Dryptosaurus?

something else entirely?

[tame thorn]

I feel like it's such a generic looking species, it doesn't exactly look any different to a juvenile rex

[flint sable]

I think either of these is possible

[tame thorn]

Alioramus at least has a different crest

[flint sable]

also could be something related to Tetraphoneus or similar

theres a lot of what it could be taxonomically speaking

[tame thorn]

Def need some more theropods the size of dilophosaur.

[slim flare]

How do you… know what a juvenile Tyrannosaurus looks like?

[tame thorn]

Jane

[slim flare]

Jane would be a Nanotyrannus

[tame thorn]

I had the luxury of seeing a direct copy of her skull up for display and auction at 2021 svp meet

She is a juvenile rex

[late swallow]

She's undescribed and could be either

But is almost certainly a juvenile rex

[hollow furnace]

Jane is a strong independent woman she can be whatever she wants

[slim flare]

If Nanotyrannus proves valid, she’s near-certainly a member

But the big thing that separates Nanotyrannus from juvenile Tyrannosaurus are those big, meaty claws

[tame thorn]

I think I would rather go by the paleontologists comments I heard about her at the 2021 svp

[slim flare]

She’s got the Nanotyrannus tooth-count

[tame thorn]

Again. Paleontologists overrule what we see in pictures

[slim flare]

But they can’t change tooth counts

The Nanotyrannus holotype, Jane, Dueling Dinosaurs Theropod, and Stygivenator holotype are all considered likely Nanotyrannus… until we start splitting them apart too.

That’s when shit gets complicated

[slim flare]

Based on what?

She has a Nanotyrannus tooth-count, proportionally large humerus and her growth rings don’t really align with Tyrannosaurus

[late swallow]

I'm just gonna point you to Ben G. Thomas' 40 minute review of the long-running debate and evidence

[proper raven]

ill just say there is something upcoming which may or may not prove that Nano is a distinct taxon, but its more precise on ontogenic model studies compared to just funny growth spurts on which the current growth models would lump distinct species as ontogenic stages

[tame thorn]

Honestly I'm not bothering to argue further. Ontogenetic Edentulism is quite possible, and longer limbs can and do change through the ageing process. When more conclusive peer reviewed evidence can be provided I'm at the stance it's a generic looking rex

[slow shoal]

i wouldnt say certainly

at the bare minumum, nanotyrannus is a topic that deserves a lot more research then people just assuming its a juvie rex

and thankfully it is getting some of that

[slim flare]

I think there’s just been a lot of blind faith and “close enough”

[tame thorn]

Vice Versa

[slim flare]

There definitely is

But it is kinda up to the lumpers to show proof Nanotyrannus is a juvenile Tyrannosaurus

[slow shoal]

eh id say its fair to ask for proof on either end

[slim flare]

I mean but the Nanotyrannus have provided proof, although their good points are drowned in the sea of bad

Like when they “hey how can juvenile Tyrannosaurus possess bones in their arm bigger and significantly distinct in shape from an adult?” I don’t think there’s ever been any real answer

It’s kinda just dismissed as “idk maybe they did something really weird” which really isn’t a great answer.

[ancient ibex]

Ah yeah, Greg Paul making crap up

[sharp dock]

T imperator

T rex

T stands for toxic academics

[ancient ibex]

"placement of distal elements not certain for this specimen" is pretty much "I made this hand up as to fit my pet hypothesis", as the guy is on full fledged conspiracy mode

[late swallow]

I reckon it's because we don't have any carpals

[tawny cairn]

recommended - Allosaurus, Allosaurus Anax, Mapusaurus, Maip,

Giga...?

[shell sonnet]

We're getting Allosaurus already

\

with an anax alt

[tawny cairn]

Wait, allo and allo anax... they could interbreed then in the game?

[frosty heron]

Afawk saurophaganax is still an alt genus

also pretty sure alt-species in game rn cant interbreed?

[buoyant zenith]

I hope that there’s easier ways to actually identify juvie Rexes at some point. I remember watching PBS Eons episode on the theories.

[frosty heron]

if you mean irl like probably? maybe? but it wouldnt happen very commonly if at all

[tawny cairn]

But they're really close weren't they, Meaning they could interbreed. Are we getting allo fragilis and anax hybrid then

[late swallow]

Correctamundo

[late swallow]

We are not getting hybrids

[tawny cairn]

Perhaps these allos will be the first?

[frosty heron]

No reason to suspect as such

[tawny cairn]

But technically they could because they're so identical other than some differences.

Like neandhertal and sapien type

[abstract compass]

[frosty heron]

“identical other than some differences" thats not how things work methinks

[late swallow]

"They're so identical other than some differences"

[shell sonnet]

@fast shoal
A better alt for Carchadont would be Giga and its cousins. They're close in design and popular enough to help sell any might DLC get.

As for v-raptor, I don't think we need an alts for it. They don't have much going for them. I also can't find a skeletal of Ada.

[late swallow]

I'm post op, pass it

[tawny cairn]

yeah thanks for that mr grammar. Yeah they're very similar almost identical

[late swallow]

I am not a Mister, thank you.

[frosty heron]

Same for me kinda

anyway

sure, they're very similar

[late swallow]

Fuck gender

[tawny cairn]

👍

[frosty heron]

same could be said for, say bronto and apato, which are in game and cannot breed w/ each other

[fast shoal]

I think the giga would be better as an actual separate species

[late swallow]

And it's heavily debated if they're even not congeneric

[fast shoal]

Its different enough from the carchar to warrant that imo

[late swallow]

Brontosaurus is just a cool ass name

[shell sonnet]

Or any of the Camaras or trikes (which almost certainly breed with each other)

[frosty heron]

Yeah exactly

[late swallow]

Yeh, given prorsus is directly decended from horridus

[tawny cairn]

Recent studies in 2015 said bronto and apato were distinct enough, unlike allo fragilis and allo anax

[shell sonnet]

Here's the thing about Carchadont, most of it built using Giga as a basis. We don't have much of the animal.

[shell sonnet]

That study is a bit questionable...

[late swallow]

More recent is calling that to question

And frankly I really don't care

[frosty heron]

I like distinct bronto but like not the point, they're still very similar animals

(also isnt sauro being a. anax still at abstract status? no paper yet?)

[late swallow]

Bronto is just a cool name

[fast shoal]

At least from what I understand about how the devs pick alts, they pick close relatives

[late swallow]

They're also not currently doing alts of animals currently ingame

[shell sonnet]

Which Giga is

[fast shoal]

Hopefully they start

Doing that

[frosty heron]

whether we call them different things is not that important: all of these are fairly similar and closely related animals, the ones that are in the game can't interbreed, allo/sauro 99.99% will not be able to, regardless of whether it was plausible in prehistory (which yeah probably)

[shell sonnet]

Giga would be post-EA anyway

[late swallow]

Giga is an intrinsic DLC headliner

[fast shoal]

Anyways ive gtg

Srry

[late swallow]

Cheers

[frosty heron]

Byee

[fast shoal]

Bye

[tawny cairn]

They're anatomically distinct enough, anyway they're sauropods too which theoretically harder to interbreed.

Fragilis and anax were actually the same genus, and they were theropod which more likely could interbreed

[shell sonnet]

Ciao

[late swallow]

Why would they be harder to interbreed because they're sauropods?

[fast shoal]

Just btw if yall are still talking then, ill be available again in like 2 hours

[late swallow]

This chat is frequently poppin

[tawny cairn]

To put it simply, they're just too huge and may be more selective

[abstract compass]

[late swallow]

Feel that grim

[late swallow]

Cope all you want mate, we are not getting hybrids

[abstract compass]

this aint jurassic park.

if u want hybrids thats about the only place with them

[late swallow]

Purassic Jark

Brain's running like 12 tabs with audio rn

Can't tell you who opened what

Hey Erior you got that Greg pauliest response image

[shell sonnet]

Here's the funny thing about genera; they're made up and they don't preclude breeding in or out. More relevant, the method to separate Bronto out was questionable. More of a political decision that a scientific one.

[tawny cairn]

It's not about coping or even I wanting it.

It's just a theoretical question since they could meet ingame, and they're nearly identical so would'nt mating possible.

Like, it's a question, I never say "Yeah I wanted them to have hybrid" instead I say "Won't they mate and have hybrid?

[late swallow]

There it is

[ancient ibex]

D'Angelo is also a quite serious worker

[buoyant zenith]

It would be so cool if somehow that was found in the dino fossil record.

[late swallow]

And we're not getting hybrids, but you kept bugging

[buoyant zenith]

I think that they’ve claimed mammoth hybrids have been identified from fossils?

[late swallow]

Did they hybridise in the wild? Good chance

[tawny cairn]

Man... i never, Whatever helps you sleep tonight

[late swallow]

Yes, columbi x primigenius

[tawny cairn]

Sorry forgot to off the ping

[buoyant zenith]

They called those the Jefferson’s?

[sinful coyote]

none of the animals from the same genus currently within the game hybridize. why would the different allosaurus species be any different.

[late swallow]

I don't mind pings

[late swallow]

Not sure but I remember seeing something about it

[abstract compass]

wonder why theres a fixation with hybrids.

[late swallow]

More of a #science-chat thing tho

[ancient ibex]

https://tetzoo.com/blog/2025/9/15/in-quest-of-hybrid-non-bird-dinosaurs If you want to give a read to the subject

[late swallow]

Same type of people that want to see dino sex

[ancient ibex]

But hybrids in a zoo sim is likely to be complicated

[tawny cairn]

I see...

[shell sonnet]

It would be a hassle anyway. Trying to mix animal parts together at the various growth stages would seems like little reward for a lot of work.

[ancient ibex]

ZT2 had the hybrid giraffes and zebras, but they were basically "those 2 species can breed and produce members of either species"

[late swallow]

Too complicated to be worth implementing tbh

[ancient ibex]

ZT2 is also 20 years old and less complex than this

[buoyant zenith]

How about we get those prehistoric giraffids instead?

[late swallow]

Could be neat

[shell sonnet]

Lots of people want Sivatherium

[buoyant zenith]

So many awesome head ornamentations.

[buoyant zenith]

I would be one of those people.

[shell sonnet]

Except Mau

[late swallow]

There's so many weird fuckers

[frosty heron]

Saw a skeleton mount of one of those recently, I forget what genus

deeply bizzare beast

[buoyant zenith]

Wau wau.

[frosty heron]

seal of approval here

[buoyant zenith]

Wish they had ended up living to the late Pleistocene. There’s been debacles about when the last ones died out.

[ancient ibex]

Gotta remember

[abstract compass]

https://tenor.com/view/giant-iron-gif-6073412

[frosty heron]

You had my eepy brain convinced for a split second those were real

the sheer confusion and/or fear

[buoyant zenith]

Planet zoo modders created a lot of cool giraffe species, some I never heard of.

Also, I need Arsinoitherium and Simbakubwa.

[ancient ibex]

Giraffes and okapies are subsequent splits out of the sivathere lineage, they are just the weirdos and the conservative branches that survived, for some reason lol

[frosty heron]

Arsinotherium for the Nigel-verse completion🔥

[late swallow]

What do yall feel is too recent for the RE dlc?

[ancient ibex]

But yeah, artiodactyls are needed

[shell sonnet]

Wish it was easier to find fossils of mammals online, I really want Prolibytherium but all there seems to be is some broken head ornaments

[abstract compass]

i do very much like extinct giraffids.

[shell sonnet]

Javan Rhino

[frosty heron]

🤔hmmmm

significance matters a lot more to me than actual time I think

very hypothetical, but I wouldnt mind baiji for example

[abstract compass]

too recent? for the recently extinct DLC?

i have some bad news for you

[frosty heron]

actually I'd quite like it

Even very very recent animals give that message of preservation and the miracle of reversing extinction if that makes sense?

[abstract compass]

any animal that died recently would qualify if u ask me.

[late swallow]

Isn't that still extant

[frosty heron]

ig anything that is extinct at time of release is good as long as its cool/interesting/emblematic/representative of something

[shell sonnet]

Not for long

[frosty heron]

To elaborate on an analogy, baiji would be good, vaquita wouldnt even though its almost certainly becoming extinct soon

thats my piece

[abstract compass]

i mean the most recent lost species i really want to see in PK is the Kauaʻi ʻōʻō' for example.

[late swallow]

Like, I feel weird about the Pinta Island tortise and the Pyrenean Ibex

[abstract compass]

which is quite a depressing story for a bird.

[late swallow]

Moreso the former

[frosty heron]

thats the hawaiian death crow that lost its calls when re-introduced right

they make me SO SAD

[late swallow]

Poor thing, called for a mate, no return, and died in a hurricane

[frosty heron]

Would those more be because of specific circumstances instead of time?

hybridization making for dubious extinction/being the subject of a resurrection project

tbf I wouldnt mind the ibex conceptually, although it wouldnt be my preference, the tortoise feels closer to having "evolved" than gone extinct if that makes sense?

[late swallow]

Adult and juvenile

[abstract compass]

not exactly. hurricane killed the last female and the male flew around the island singing for a mate for years until he vanished alone into extinction.

[late swallow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauaʻi_ʻōʻō

[frosty heron]

yeah im pretty sure thats the one im thinking of, lemme check something-I know it from a book and it described those parts of the story

[abstract compass]

such a pretty song. such a lonely end

[frosty heron]

SRY chat im dumb

wrong bird

[late swallow]

Also known locally as the 'ō'ō 'ā'ā

[frosty heron]

I was thinking about the alala

confused the two, I shall go read the article

[late swallow]

A very tragic one

[abstract compass]

officially extinct and the last of its family of birds in 1987. which is painfully recent.

[frosty heron]

Now perceived, very chilling, very sad

[late swallow]

The tortoise has technically gone "extinct", but there's a tort with direct C. n. abingdonii lineage

[abstract compass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDRY0CmcYNU the depressing part is that the song is supposed to be a duet

so when he stops singing, the female is supposed to fill in

in the "pauses"

[late swallow]

Insular tortoises have had hell

[late swallow]

Sea shanty birdsong

[abstract compass]

but crippling depression

[late swallow]

Now I want to listen to Braddah Iz

[buoyant zenith]

Ok but would adding something like the moas, elephant birds, and giant lemurs be too recent then?

[late swallow]

No

That's like

Several hundred years ago

Like 25 years just feels weird to me personally

[frosty heron]

Nop those would be cool by me, great choices even

[late swallow]

Moa is all but guaranteed

Would you want NI or SI

[frosty heron]

not familiar enough to answer properly, i think about mesozoic stuff too much. one day I will learn about cenozoic animals better :p

[late swallow]

I'm not super familiar with ceno either

[sinful coyote]

i think thylacine is a pretty good benchmark for how recent of an animal we could see, but i certainly wouldn't mind if there was an animal that has left this world in my lifetime added at some point. would be quite a gut punch and add some thematic weight.

[late swallow]

Yeah, overall I'm not opposed to the more recent animals

I just feel weird

It's an odd feeling to come to terms with, yknow?

[frosty heron]

Sure

[sinful coyote]

i think it's worth it to think about.

[frosty heron]

Its a heavy topic that hits hard, and even harder when the grander image is then considered

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[frosty heron]

this too is true

[late swallow]

Not the both gif I expected

But the correct answer

[buoyant zenith]

Also, I need South American megafauna.

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-we-all-same-me-too-agree-claire-gif-16077622

[late swallow]

5/62 Southern Hemisphere species

Getting at least 1 more in December/jan

[buoyant zenith]

I just mean more so the mammal megafauna.

[short rover]

Doedicurus, Macrauchenia, Toxodon, megatherium are all in my most wanted mammal list for sure

Hopefully doed and mega are in U19

[late swallow]

Megatherium is such a goated animal

[shell sonnet]

That would disinclude the Ivory-Billed Woodpecker and the Kauaʻi ʻōʻō

[buoyant zenith]

I would love Eremotherium as an alt species for the ground sloths.

[short rover]

Unfortunately mega/eremo alt wouldn’t work

Too anatomically diff

[late swallow]

Eremo is also a respectable choice individually tho

[short rover]

Yea but would be kinda meh imo if we got eremo first

There are so many funny sloths to cover

[plush nacelle]

Imagine one eremo skin based on that astralagus

10t of sloth

[frosty heron]

idk how alt viable it is but nothrotheriops is also cool

plant propogation shenanigans

[buoyant zenith]

Ok, aren't the alt species most often included just in the same group as the main species so does it really matter since the point is just to get different ground sloths in that sense?

[frosty heron]

unfortunately its not SA rep

[short rover]

For mega? Not at all but nothro would be a neat seperate pick

[shell sonnet]

Besides biases in paleontology, there's also just much less land in the south in the time periods of interest

[buoyant zenith]

Also Thalassocnus would be awesome.

[short rover]

True!

Ideal sloth roster is megatherium, thallasocnus and Lestodon

Big browsing sloth, swimming guy, and grazer

[silver steeple]

It does matter

Giant anatomical or even postural differences are something that isn't really possible afawk

[buoyant zenith]

Ok, so it's based on the models then if I am understanding correctly.

[silver steeple]

Yes

[buoyant zenith]

Thank you for the clarification.

[plush nacelle]

Ground sloths are crazy diverse

[buoyant zenith]

When I first heard there is 80 genera, I just about fainted.

[silver steeple]

That'll happen when you have an entire continent almost to yourself

[buoyant zenith]

I'm so mad none survived to today.

[silver steeple]

The tree sloths are direct descendants of ground sloths

So technically they are still around

[buoyant zenith]

You're grounded, go up to your tree.

[ancient ibex]

So are two-toed sloths I believe

But from different ground sloths

[plush nacelle]

Crazy big

[buoyant zenith]

True. Just you know what I mean. So many of those big'uns and none of them are around.

[ancient ibex]

Both glyptodonts and ground sloths are part of the living group

[silver steeple]

Yeah that's what I'm saying

Both two and three toed are

From 2 different ground groups

[ancient ibex]

mbad

[late swallow]

Very true, I'm super excited to see what all Madagascar we get

[silver steeple]

All good

[shell sonnet]

The Permian is the opposite if I recall, Dimetrodon I think was close to the equator

[buoyant zenith]

Which aquatics are you guys hyped about?

[late swallow]

Yeah, I'm more referring to current SH

Any

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, Thalassocnus is likely part of Megatherioidea; Caribbean sloths are also bit weirdos

[shell sonnet]

Don't know, because we don't know if we're getting them

[ancient ibex]

Will be a better roster than JWE3's anyway

[slim flare]

True IF Pachycephalosaurus is confirmed

Truly the missing dinosaur clade rn

[frosty heron]

all of the above

I love aquatic things so much

[buoyant zenith]

Impractical as it might be, I would love to have sea pens for large whales and a bit of an inland viewing area.

That is for the game, not real life.

[frosty heron]

If we get big mosasaurs, which it feels like would be a shoo-in thats not tooo far off?

especially for more primitive whales?

[shell sonnet]

To be serious, this is my ideal starting list

Geosaurus giganteus or Dakosaurus maximus
Ichthyosaurus communis/anningae
Pleisosaurus dolichodeirus
Kronosaurus queenslandicus/Monquirasaurus boyacensis
Mosasaurus hoffmanni or Tylosaurus proriger
Dunkleosteus terrelli
Basilosaurus cetoides
Leedsichthys problematicus
Pterygotus grandidentatus or Jaekelopterus rhenaniae
Parapuzosia seppenradensis

Mini
Aspidorhynchus
Gebrayelichthys uyenoi
Henodus chelyops or Psephoderma alpinum
Stethacanthus productus
Tullimonstrum gregarium

[buoyant zenith]

Gimme Tylo and Mosa!!!

But then having the huge icthys would also be great. Shasta and Shona.

[frosty heron]

huge ichthyosaurs are so cool

[slim flare]

Where’s megalodon?

[late swallow]

I'm honestly really tired of hearing this

[slim flare]

I’m never tired of the truth

[late swallow]

The roster is pretty solid

[buoyant zenith]

Just heard about the petting zoo option today.

[frosty heron]

roster is probably the "weakest" part we know abt JWE3 so far? but like its not bad at all, theres only a few glaring missing things (possibly because they comparatively need more work)

must emphasize weakest is comparative because they've shown a lot of cool things

[shell sonnet]

There is nothing; not money, gifts, peer pressure, death threats, or torture that will ever make me want Meg.

[late swallow]

I'm not saying anything further, but the roster only has a few bad eggs in my opinion and I'm just over the constant unwarranted bashing