Community Species Suggestions

[coarse inlet]

just trying to find some decent paleozoic ones

[silver steeple]

Oops all mammoth steppe

[slim flare]

Was it even that cold back then?

[sharp dock]

steppe hyena ok you are just making up names now

[slim flare]

It doesn’t help that most boreal forest today was either mammoth steppe or under a mile of ice

[silver steeple]

Some parts of the Permian were I believe

[coarse inlet]

Gaiasia is all I've found so far, since it lived in cold mountain lakes

[silver steeple]

Unfortunately yeah

[coarse inlet]

there was an ice age between the end Devonian and end Permian

[slim flare]

Crocuta spelaea

[coarse inlet]

I thought it was Crocuta crocuta spelaea

[slim flare]

No

They have a massive divergence

[coarse inlet]

oh

neat

[slim flare]

2.5 million years

They’re also morphologically unique, being larger, stockier and have a different brain layout implying distinct behaviors

[coarse inlet]

cool

well in that case it'd be a neat addition, though Dinocrocuta would be my first choice for a hyena

[coarse inlet]

the issue is that most of the cold areas dont have good fossils

like we know there were glossopteris forests in Australia despite the cold but not what lived there

[slim flare]

Woolly Lystrosaurus

[coarse inlet]

and the one good Antarctic formation is at the end of the icehouse and doesnt seem to have been very cold

[silver steeple]

I expect the amount of boreal dinos specifically will be rather limited, and probably not 100% accurate to irl

Cryo and Yuty being on that list

[slim flare]

Leaellynasaura…

[coarse inlet]

Yutyrannus and Beipiaosaurus are good choices ther

[slim flare]

Yutyrannus is a must

[silver steeple]

Yixian was more temperate than anything, which is what we see in Psittaco sp.

[coarse inlet]

it was colder than Prince Creek wasnt it?

[slim flare]

And where Leaellynasaura lived there was crocodilians, so it wasn’t that cold

[silver steeple]

Average annual temp close to Boston

[silver steeple]

About the same

[coarse inlet]

in that case

I think it's fine to use Boreal for it

[silver steeple]

PC should also not be boreal ftr

But yeah

[coarse inlet]

I'm legit gonna count anything with regularly snowy winters as boreal

[slim flare]

Nooooo it was snowy Arctic just like today!

[silver steeple]

Then PC still shouldn't count lol

[coarse inlet]

but Yixian did have snowy winters

[silver steeple]

PC is a lot like the modern PNW

Wet winters with little snow cover

[slim flare]

That early 2010’s period really fictionalized Prince Creek

[coarse inlet]

yeah

[silver steeple]

Yup

This isn't to say that Alaska at the time couldn't have had snowfall etc

PC was just very coastal

[slim flare]

And unfortunately PK was in development then

So despite being heavily outdated, it has stuck

[coarse inlet]

I mean Prehistoric Planet did it too

[slim flare]

But I’d prefer not to expand it

[silver steeple]

Most I could see PC get going forward is some troodon sp like the old concept art

[coarse inlet]

I'm sure there's more stuff from the Cretaceous and Jurassic glacial periods

[slim flare]

I don’t want Nanq, I don’t really want the Arctic Troodontid especially after Laten was found

[silver steeple]

Artic troodon would have to be some sort of alt

No way it gets its own slot lol

[quick ore]

Steppe Hyena would be so cool but I don't it's any surprise that I would love any hyena inclusion

[slim flare]

I know

Even then

[coarse inlet]

wait

what was the climate in La Amarga

because it's pretty far south and covers the Barremian-Aptian border

[quick ore]

wait is the Steppe Hyena not the same as the Cave Hyena?

[coarse inlet]

it is the same

[slim flare]

My point is there’s like 3-4 better Troodontids right now: Troodon neotype, Stenon, Laten, and the Mongolian one

[silver steeple]

Looks like your answer would depend on which member you're looking at

[slim flare]

Which have better remains and are from better digsites

But it is a mess right now

[silver steeple]

The 2nd member is a lake, 3rd is a swamp of some sort

[coarse inlet]

Puesto Antigual is where all the good stuff is from

[silver steeple]

That's the 1st one

Which I can't find any quick answer for

[plush nacelle]

SA: cuvieronius, mylodon, macrauchenia
NZ: upland moa, giant moa, adzebill

[slim flare]

Definitely not Cuvierornius

What are you smoking?

[tough marsh]

mesosaurus

[slim flare]

I think you mean Notiomastodon

[coarse inlet]

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/275589174_Taphonomy_and_depositional_environment_of_a_Lower_Cretaceous_monospecific_dinosaur_bone_assemblage_Puesto_Quiroga_Member_Lohan_Cura_Formation_Neuquen_Province_Argentina this says it's warm according to google but I cant access it

[digital pendant]

definitely yes you dummy

[slim flare]

🤨

[sharp dock]

cuvieronius is literally an andean species

[digital pendant]

cuvieronius range was the andes

[sharp dock]

so yes boreal fits

[slim flare]

The Central American elephant?

[sharp dock]

we literally just said it's from the andes lmao

and ngl mylodon would slap

[tough marsh]

Stereosternum also

[sharp dock]

i love that fuzzy boyo

[tough marsh]

oh yeah was going to ask what are your thoughts on phorcys

[slim flare]

It was extirpated from the Andes during the Late Pleistocene

[coarse inlet]

it's fine but the name shouldve been given to a sea creature

[slim flare]

All of South America actually

[silver steeple]

So what

[slim flare]

So it seems to not like the cold

[digital pendant]

thats still late pleistocene

[plush nacelle]

South american hairy elephant from cold climate brr

[silver steeple]

The fact that elephants went hairy to live in cold climates 2 different times (in two different groups nonetheless) is amusing

[sharp dock]

large animals grow hair when cold? astonishing event

[coarse inlet]

adzebills were lowland animals though

[slim flare]

Two?

The best I can find

According to Prado et al. (Citation2005), Cuvieronius spread across the Andean corridor, whereas Notiomastodon dispersed along with the continent’s eastern and coastal areas (Figure 3). Cuvieronius hyodon is geographically circumscribed to the Andean Region in Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, and Chile. It inhabited an arid landscape. This species was adapted to a cold and temperate climate since, in the inter-tropical zones, it has been only found at the highest altitudes, while in Chile, it expanded to the southern littoral zone.

[plush nacelle]

I think during late pleistocene NZ was full of cold grasslands in south

[silver steeple]

Mammoths and cuvieronius

[coarse inlet]

Joschua Knuppe says that Ischigualasto was similar to a grassland (without grass) so would it make sense to have animals from there in the grassland biome?

[plush nacelle]

One day we will recreate south american version of mammoth steppe

[silver steeple]

Seems likely

[sharp dock]

grassless grassland

[quick ore]

I feel like Ischigualastia stocks are going to go way up after Surviving Earth

would be smart to have it as a dlc with Placerias/Lisowicia as alts

[steep tulip]

Still not sure if they can work as alts
They are closely related but lisowicia had its spine in a diagonal position while placerias had it fairly horizontal afaik

Oh wait you meant all 3 as alts
Ischigualastia was fairly different on how it positioned its limbs from placerias, also had a pretty different skull shape
I find placerias/lisowicia more likely

Damn its so hard to find good skeletal about these animals

[slim flare]

Placerias!

[quick ore]

crazy how dicynodonts both had true tusks and tusk-like skull extensions

[shell sonnet]

Honestly, you could perhaps have Placerias and Lisowicia as alts but probably not Ischigualastia. And if Palcerias and Lisowicia don't work as alts, well I'd rather get the animal that lived near Coleo.

[toxic oriole]

New idea, sabretooth pack

Eh

Theres the Gorgonopsids, the Thylacosmilids or however they are called, and the ones we have ingame right now (Only two)

Plus a few other groups that had it

[quick ore]

I mean

it has enough animals to use but I doubt that would ever be used as a pack theme

[toxic oriole]

I only ask for Homotherium just to uhhh, add the other side of the Sabre-tooth cats, the scimitar ones

And thats just it

[hollow flower]

Dlc packs need to be fairly generic I believe

[quick ore]

yeah

[toxic oriole]

The... Wait actually I need to know for certain

I'm a little confused on the placement of Homotherium AND Smilodon in their families

Like, are the families closely related to each other, sister species type of style?

Or is it just a coincidence?

[hollow flower]

Like a time period pack, a carni/herbivore pack, a mix of those and maybe biome packs like pz

[quick ore]

I think for dlc packs it makes sense for them to be location or time period based, with variations of each
either that or themes that are relevant to paleontology as a whole like one for early fossil discoveries or something

[toxic oriole]

Yeah thats the only reason why I want Homotherium
Sister species to Smilodon

... Well

Not really

Just a cousin or something

... Yeah I don't know anymore

[quick ore]

it's a cool animal in its own right

not just because of phylogenetics

[toxic oriole]

Not to mention that mummified homotherium cub they found a few years ago, or was it 2024?

Maybe 2024? Or somewhere in 2025?

Got a good idea as to what they look like when they are young

[hollow furnace]

they're different lineages, Homotherium is more long-legged, an endurance runner cat, while Smilodon is more robust with longer exposed canines

[shell sonnet]

Age, clade, and/or location work best; I think biome is a strange fit given animals belong to more than one

[hollow flower]

Yeah biome fits alot better in pz because of the fact that theyve only got modern animals

[toxic oriole]

Even so, I still kinda see Homotherium and its lineages as a sister species to Smilodon and its lineages

[hollow flower]

Clade might be a little too specific but im unsure

[toxic oriole]

Somewhat related, but not entirely

[quick ore]

yeah Homotherium was very dog-like compared to other cats

[steep tulip]

Peters flashback

[quick ore]

fuck

[toxic oriole]

Yeah I am still confused

[quick ore]

not that art

[toxic oriole]

Then again

[hollow furnace]

If not dog, then why dog-shaped?

[toxic oriole]

Three week old cub, remember.

[steep tulip]

I think its bait

Gotta be

[toxic oriole]

Gives a pretty good incentive into what Homotherium could look like when fully grown, even if its just a cub

[hollow furnace]

Smilodon and homotherium are to each other like what lions and mountain lions are to each other

[toxic oriole]

Cougars and Lions... Y'know I've never seen Cougars in person before

[steep tulip]

You have seen lions?

[toxic oriole]

In Zoo's, yes

[hollow flower]

Well in a zoo

[toxic oriole]

Only one zoo in particular

[steep tulip]

Oh fair lol

[hollow flower]

I suppose I could go see a mountain lion in person

[toxic oriole]

Its Cougars that I have yet to see

[quick ore]

I have seen pumas before they are beautiful

[hollow flower]

Apparently the one that escaped from a latvian zoo is now in my county

[toxic oriole]

If you do find it...

[hollow flower]

Its been on an upward trek since then

[hollow furnace]

Go kitty go, tourism world tour

[steep tulip]

My zoo doesn't have lions
Just leopards and tigers
And lynxes

[toxic oriole]

Anyways, yeah
I ultimately want them

Hopefully in a DLC

[quick ore]

it's gonna go southeast and make another pumapard

[steep tulip]

All in on elasmotherium mummy next

[hollow furnace]

God please

[slim flare]

Not really that far North

[hollow furnace]

(monkey's paw curls, we get an elasmotherium mummy but all the keratin fell off)

[quick ore]

remember how we got environmental DNA showing ground sloths living in siberia?

[hollow furnace]

There are tar mummies that overlap in range with Elasmotherium

[quick ore]

what if we got a mummy of them

[hollow furnace]

In Ukraine

[quick ore]

they already dug burrows

[hollow furnace]

We could just get a south american one

Andes are cold and dry

[quick ore]

has the andes produced even one mummy

[hollow furnace]

yes

[hollow flower]

I remember hearing about ground sloths living in alaska

[quick ore]

of what?

[hollow furnace]

Humans

[quick ore]

this is well known

the siberian evidence is new

[hollow flower]

What species was it?

[quick ore]

Megalonyx

oh wait

u mean the siberian one

lemme check

[shell sonnet]

also llamas and mice

[hollow flower]

Well both I suppose

[quick ore]

it was Megalonychid DNA in Siberia so yeah

likely Megalonyx

[hollow flower]

Ground sloths were quite the hit it seems

Very unusual for an island species

[quick ore]

a what

[steep tulip]

When I dip my elasmotherium in tar and he screams loud as fuck

[quick ore]

these were mainland sloths

[hollow flower]

Well yes

But they were engineered before hand on an island continent

Compared to terror birds they did alot better

[hollow furnace]

This but Elasmotherium and the horn stays on this time:

[quick ore]

no they weren't

Megalonyx evolved after megalonychids got to NA

they arrived before the land bridge was created and then continued to evolve in NA

they arrived around 9mya and Megalonyx evolved 5mya

[steep tulip]

Would go so hard
I coped with much less, there's actually a chance

[shell sonnet]

The result for finding a Siberian Unicorn

[left spear]

Keenan Taylor detected

[flint sable]

EDNA studies are so cool

[left spear]

Basedness status updated to based

[flint sable]

I wondr if they could ever be used to look for lost species

new guinea thylacine EDNA study when

[ancient ibex]

Housecats and lions are far closer to each other than Smilodon and Homotherium

(But yeah, I'm up for Homotherium and Miracynonyx for cat diversity)

[late swallow]

That doesn't sound right

[ancient ibex]

Weirdly enough it is, the split between Felinae and Pantherinae is relatively recent, but Machairodontinae splits from the living cat lineage quite a while back, and it splits into multiple lineages soon afterwards

Yeah, checking the mDNA papers, s'all Miocene splits; confidence intervals overlap, but the living/machairodont cat split would be 20 MYA, the saber/scimitar split 18 MYA, and the big/small cat split 15 MYA; was mixing it up with a figure of 10 MYA for the ancestor of living cats, so the difference is not that significative.

In any case, Homotherium would have a weird build on its own, even if a "second machairodontine".

(And I personally find "brown baby, patterned adult" ala spotted hyena an interesting approach to its design)

[deep crest]

By the way, is there any possibility that Liaoningosaurus will appear in the display case?

[late swallow]

probably not

[shell sonnet]

The things that would make Liaoning interesting are probably not accurate

Good chance it's just a juvi anyway

[late swallow]

if they were accurate, it would be cool as fuck

[chilly zenith]

a small east asian ankylosaur is cool anyway imo
even if not this small and not this weird

definitely less of a priority to me compared to mongolian genera but still

[shell sonnet]

Halszkaraptor is probably the best you could hope for a semi-aquatic non-avivan dino

[chilly zenith]

yes

unless we buy into the burrow-hunting hypothesis, right?

[steep tulip]

I think

[shell sonnet]

I really don't know what I believe in regarding Halszka's lifestyle

[amber field]

I think both dinosaurs will come from China

[steep tulip]

devs gonna go with semi aquatic anyway if they do add it

[shell sonnet]

for the U16 ones?

[toxic oriole]

Isnt that also a small guy?

I mean I looked at a size chart of the animal, or at least the one on Wikipedia for it...

Its quite small

So uhhh, may just be a Vivarium animal sadly

[shell sonnet]

I thought the context of the conversation clearly indicated I was talking about viviarium based animals, but yes.

[toxic oriole]

I wasnt paying much attention tbf

and i just got here anyways

[desert flame]

Halszkaraptor is well suited to an amphibious vivarium.

[outer crater]

He didn't say it's not

[late swallow]

that was established

[amber field]

yeah , because china or Mongolia has a lot of well-preserved ones

[coarse inlet]

Whatsthat

[shell sonnet]

I guess it's not impossible but... we already have Microraptor and Yi is coming. Kind of hope there'd be a bit more geographic diversity than just China/Mongolia and Germany/France for mini dinos.

[chilly zenith]

i saw a hypothesis that its bodyplan also could allow it to go into its prey's burrows

[coarse inlet]

Hmm

[late swallow]

i wonder if we're getting compy in just Altmulthal or if its coming in france too

[coarse inlet]

Wasn’t it eating inverts?

[shell sonnet]

Like yeah, Tianyulong is better preserved but Heterodonto does have a bit more name power.

[shell sonnet]

I'm guessing it's going to be located in Solnhofen with Archaeo

[late swallow]

yeah, that's the Altmulthal

interested to see what they come up with for the 'funky' dinosaurs

[hard elbow]

WHOM

Why is he shrugging

[silver steeple]

Bro accepted fate

[steep tulip]

Foreyia
Its not much bigger than 20 cms, but if aquariums are added I think it's a pretty neat pick

[hard elbow]

I love him

also just occurred to me I'm really late (thanks pisscorp)

[hollow flower]

I dont know why but I always assumed Saurolophus lived only in Asia

Imagine my surprise when I see a depiction of an Albertosaurus hunting one

On an unrelated note I swear Fred Wierum made a depiction of an allosaur with really sharp crests chasing something down

Unless im getting him confused with someone else

Found it

Its by Rudolph Hima

I really like allosaurus depictions with these sorts of sharp crests, look very nice but Ive got no clue if theyre actually accurate or not

[abstract compass]

keratin constructions vary alot and those do not strike me as implausible.

keratin is up for interpretation after all

[late swallow]

are those D. altus?

[hollow furnace]

That’s part of what makes it so cool

[hollow flower]

Artist doesnt specify but probably

[coarse inlet]

Yeah I am kinda sad w how small the crests on PK’s Carch are for that reason

[abstract compass]

i like PK's Carch but wasnt super onboard with how mute they did the keratin

it is what it is.

[silver steeple]

You're gonna love allo then

[abstract compass]

i still have that concept art from what i was thinking about the "max" for Carch was.

or well not concept art...whats the word.

i paid Medena to make it?

why does the word escape me.

commission. fuck me.

that one sat deep in the fucking soul.

[ancient ibex]

Type species is the American one, and Saurolophini is mostly American

Likely crossed to Asia while greeting the Edmontosaurs that were crossing to NA lol

[late swallow]

biotic interchanges be like

[ancient ibex]

Then kritosaurs make it to SA, and lambeosaurs to Spain...

Will take the chance to plug Saurolophus again lol

JWE is ignoring it as well, and it deserves better

2 species covering 2 near formations, and Prosaurolophus can be a relatively lower effort alt for Dinosaur Park

[late swallow]

Prosaur is like easy alt

[silver steeple]

That would mean 3 alts tho

Not that its a problem

Just not something that seems to be common anymore

[shell sonnet]

Allo's still getting four alts

[late swallow]

3 in Morrison, 1 in Lourinha

hopefully stego ends up in both

[ancient ibex]

That's the norm with hadrosaurs tho

[balmy breach]

How would Arthropleura sound? I can see it being implemented a semi-terrarium species, that can interract with trunks, logs, climbing on them, perhaps munching on leaves catterpillar style.

[flint sable]

thats a good question

idk what do modern centipedes and millipedes sound like

but then probably bigger and much deeper

if they make vocalizations anyway

if not

probably just like

clacking sounds

from their segments

and munches

[balmy breach]

Oh yeah, to be specific, I ment "How would the idea to ADD Arthropleura as an species sound." Weak wording, sorry, but again, those sounds could work as well.

[hollow flower]

Gaiasia as a giga Crassigyrinus

[shell sonnet]

Hmmm... that's a big one. 60cm skull and we've got a vertebrate column. Certainly would work for full habitat

[flint sable]

Also quite late

Last non tetrapod terrapodomorph iirc

From the permian

[ancient ibex]

They sound like chitinous limbs moving through substrate if anything

[cosmic cosmos]

in some species males can stridulate as part of their mating rituals, along with the sounds of their feet marching through the undergrowth as others have stated

[flint sable]

Cool

[hollow flower]

I feel Arthro will probably just have chittering sounds

[left spear]

Mute arthro would go kidna hard tbh

[inner wedge]

now that we have confirmed vivarium sizes it's guaranteed animals like titanoboa and arthropleura will be vivarium species

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[inner wedge]

i did expect that tho

[feral cedar]

I still am not fully sold on Titanoboa as a vivarium species

[late swallow]

i am

[inner wedge]

making it a full exhibit species would be extremely painful

[feral cedar]

Are we sure this is big enough for snek

[late swallow]

12x16 is massive

[hollow furnace]

Yes

[feral cedar]

Which is where my hot take is that Titanoboa just isn't fit for the game

[inner wedge]

it is a snake after all, they lay like rocks all the time

[late swallow]

192m²

[hollow furnace]

Medium is large enough and large is more than large enough

[inner wedge]

hell nah it is

it would move dlc sales alone

[silver steeple]

Especially for a giant snake like titano

The larger a snake gets, especially boas and pythons, the less movement they really do

[feral cedar]

So what you're saying is a Titanoboa in an amphibious vivarium would sit around all day and not need that much space

[shell sonnet]

I mean difficulty might be having more than 1 in a vivarium

[shell sonnet]

have you ever seen a snake at a zoo

[inner wedge]

anacondas to that all the time

[silver steeple]

Correct

[feral cedar]

Not really, actually

[inner wedge]

it could easily even go on for months without eating

[late swallow]

they mostly bask, but climb around from time to time

[plush nacelle]

Now what mammal would love so much water

[late swallow]

they don't like being bothered

[shell sonnet]

plus the once every two months they get fed

[late swallow]

feeds are actually more frequent than that

[silver steeple]

Me

[feral cedar]

are we sure that the mammal is semi aquatic

[shell sonnet]

Yes

[plush nacelle]

Yes. Definitely

[late swallow]

typically 4-6 weeks for larger animals

[shell sonnet]

Mau said as much

[silver steeple]

Unless plans changed completely

[late swallow]

mau literally said Semi-aquatic mammal

[inner wedge]

kyogre

[late swallow]

kyogre is a fish

[feral cedar]

Ah, that's fair

My money's on Didelphodon

[late swallow]

im on the Castorocauda train

[feral cedar]

Ankylosaurus has a WWD-inspired skin

[inner wedge]

it can breathe air, now what

actually all fish pokemon do which is weird

[late swallow]

lungfish

[silver steeple]

Castorocauda definitely has the affinities for it

Idk how aquatic didelph is thought to be

[plush nacelle]

I have feeling this is going to be small cenozoic marine animal

[feral cedar]

inb4 it's Ambulocetus

[hollow furnace]

Pretty confidently semi-aquatic afaik, there’s been several independent lines of evidence iirc

[feral cedar]

God dammit

I wanted to nickname myself "Didelphodon Believer" but I can't change my nickname

[shell sonnet]

I'm hoping for Indohyus

[feral cedar]

Why can't we do that again?

[hollow furnace]

Ease of moderation

[plush nacelle]

I think this one is out with so much water since this animal was like water chevrotain

[late swallow]

someone was an idiot a long time ago, and just was never turned back on

[hollow furnace]

Kinda funny indohyus is one of the only real options I can think of for a semi-aquatic Cenozoic vivarium mammal

[digital pendant]

wrong

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/rizzler-the-rizzler-christian-turn-rizzler-turn-gif-3468410536510015644

[digital pendant]

we removed nicknames as to keep moderation easy

[hollow furnace]

Considering Cenozoic is the “age of mammals” and all that

[digital pendant]

only mods can apply nicknames now for specific cases

[shell sonnet]

That's why I want it; I'm hoping at least one of the new minis is cenozoic

[mint creek]

Same

[feral cedar]

Leptictidium

[shell sonnet]

That's not coming with U16

[hollow furnace]

Time travelling Triassic-Miocene pterosauromorph

[inner wedge]

i hope pelthepilus was real and we'll see it in 1.0

same as diictodon

[feral cedar]

Indohyus doesn't strike me as truly "appropriate" for amphibious vivariums ngl

[inner wedge]

depends

[silver steeple]

Sure but that's still a pretty wide spectrum is what I mean

[inner wedge]

i could see devs adding it as full exhibit honestly

[hollow furnace]

Fair

Especially given how small the semi aquatic land area seems to be

[feral cedar]

an amphibious creature would spend much of its time in the water, but Indohyus supposedly has a similar "niche" in that it probably dove into the water to escape predators rather than being there all willy-nilly 24/7

[silver steeple]

Mhm

I mean the devs will also just do it if they want

[feral cedar]

true

[silver steeple]

But it would be a little odd

[feral cedar]

Kinda like how compy and Tiktaalik were deliberately downsized for some reason

[silver steeple]

Tiktaalik isn't downsized

Its just not "maximum" sized

[late swallow]

ranges from like 2.5-4m iirc

[feral cedar]

actually 2.5 m is around the maximum size

[silver steeple]

And its almost certainly there for breeding reasons

[feral cedar]

ngl compy is such a black sheep among the rest of the terrarium critters

[inner wedge]

starting to think maybe all amphibians will end up in vivariums

[late swallow]

in what way?

[shell sonnet]

Honest, question what exactly has been revealed that can fit in the box exhibits, if compy is too big for it

[late swallow]

compy fits in box

[silver steeple]

I mean temnospondyls would be fine in theory

The nest would just have to be water filled

[shell sonnet]

dev log says it won't

[silver steeple]

They don't do metamorphosis

[inner wedge]

really?

[silver steeple]

Yeah

Modern amphibians are weird for it

[hollow furnace]

Technically the birds might be able to? They’re smaller and could use the vertical space more effectively

[late swallow]

i misread, my b

[feral cedar]

The known compy fossils are all from not fully grown individuals. Some estimates for an 'adult' compy (provided Cau's theory that they're hatchling megalosauroids isn't true lol) put them at a size range where they could very much be full exhibit creatures

[inner wedge]

estimates aren't worth jack

[digital pendant]

that isnt a deliberate downsize and more of "we dont have proper evidence" type stuff

[feral cedar]

But also, compy is thus far the only terrarium creature without any special locomotion needs. It doesn't climb, doesn't swim in water and perch on a rock to 'sunbathe', and it doesn't engage in fossorial behavior

[abstract compass]

[feral cedar]

And 'babies are too small' is a non-issue cause many babies in PK get their growth boosted to the most convenient ages. I'm pretty sure Maiasaura fossils imply baby hadrosaurs (or at least baby maias specifically) can't even walk for the first few stages of life, but all hadrosaurs are born 'bigger' and capable of waltzing around wherever they want for gameplay purposes

Compy could definitely be a full exhibit animal if it was larger

[hollow furnace]

Because consider

Smol

[shell sonnet]

I consider them but wasn't sure. Still it feels weird to me that it might be the case where we don't have anything that could fit in the smallest terrarium or semi-aquarium.

[inner wedge]

beelzebufo would fit easily

[feral cedar]

We don't have proper evidence of Ugrunaaluk being a separate genus or Pachyrhinosaurus perotorum being woolly either

[inner wedge]

and bugs or lizards too

[digital pendant]

dont strawman for the sake of it

[abstract compass]

what if i told you

its a game

variation is the intent

not realism

[shell sonnet]

that's not coming with U16 though, if at all

[inner wedge]

does it matter?

why else would box vivariums even be there then

[shell sonnet]

Kinda, I'd like there to be a reason to use the smallest ones

[inner wedge]

there is a reason already

[steep tulip]

Its probably for one of the unrevealed species

Or for yi and archaeopteryx

Maybe not idk

[inner wedge]

for when animals that fit better in there are released

[steep tulip]

I think they need space to glide

[inner wedge]

box arboreals could get drepanosaurs

and some insects like mazothairos maybe

[steep tulip]

Could be the lizard, could be the mammal
Doubt its one of the dinos tho

Castorocauda was tiny

[inner wedge]

mammals would need more than that space

[silver steeple]

Reminder

The box also comes in all environment types

[plush nacelle]

That enrichment

Something to climb out of water

[steep tulip]

Oh true

I forgot

[silver steeple]

So at least one animal of every environment would allow for it to be used

[inner wedge]

the log, at last

[steep tulip]

I think the mammal might very well be castorocauda then

[inner wedge]

don't think it matters as much as true biomes

then again, they could let animals have multiple biome preferences

[silver steeple]

I don't see how that matters here

[steep tulip]

For arboreal I imagine the lizard
And for normal no idea

[plush nacelle]

Maybe triassic one

[inner wedge]

at this point it gives fuel to the theory that 1.0 will have new minis too

[shell sonnet]

Depends on the "lizard"

[silver steeple]

They definitely have it built for ease of future additions

[inner wedge]

doubt that we'll have ALL sizes and biome combinations used by 1.16

[steep tulip]

I forgot u19 also has the 2 insectivore spots

Ig that could be the remaining ones

[inner wedge]

and some extra herbivore slots too

[steep tulip]

Tbh I totally forgot megatherium had other species as well, so maybe its all alts

[plush nacelle]

Pseudomegatherium 🗿

[inner wedge]

even if we had 2 alt genus for megatherium and an alt species for edmontonia it would leave one free slot

[ancient ibex]

Rex fits in the large one

[inner wedge]

uuh rex would probably have been a juvenile form of a megalosaurid so it doesn't make sense

[steep tulip]

Edmontonia could have one alt species and an alt genus
Honestly I very much doubt we getting eremotherium since it seems a lot of work for an alt (considering also the difference in digits and posture), but ig it could still be possible

[inner wedge]

don't see edmontonia have anything beyond the alt species really

[silver steeple]

Denversaurus......

[steep tulip]

Well denversaurus is quite similar to edmontonia itself, it's also from hell creek, there's not much of a reason to leave it out

Considering we lacking in thyreophorans

[inner wedge]

iirc too they said we're getting only one more alt genus beside saurophaganax and i think it will go to megatherium

[inner wedge]

literally who

[steep tulip]

🥀

[steep tulip]

That's old news

[inner wedge]

alright i'll let him in

but only because he looks like he played college football

[plush nacelle]

If we take into account old news

It was supposed to be 24 genera and 25 species

So from blurred roadmap and with saurophaganax in mind there would be just 1 extra alt species, probably pachycephalosaurus

[silver steeple]

Which has always been untrue cause Allo has 3 species

[abstract compass]

mystical isnt it.

(i dont know)

[steep tulip]

Yeah before the roadmap got updated, there were only 2 spots for alt species

Or genera

Idk I forgot

[hollow furnace]

Which animal has negative one species

[shell sonnet]

Your favorite

[steep tulip]

Edmontosaurus

[amber field]

After seeing It , we may even can get amphibian there

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/no-idea-idk-i-dunno-i-dont-know-no-clue-gif-5178996

[amber field]

I can imagine seeing Koolasuchus in big one

[silver steeple]

You could put multiple exhibit animals in the big one

[hollow furnace]

Koola could definitely fit in the big one

And honestly in the medium one too

[amber field]

Yeah, medium one can hold them too

[steep tulip]

I wonder what's the best choice for koolasuchus
It could fit in normal exhibits as well, but I doubt koolasuchus was spending much time on land or doing a whole lot in general
So maybe they would have it act more like a crocodile

[amber field]

Perhaps it would like biomes similar to leaellynasaura

[plush nacelle]

Was koolasuchus good at walking?

[amber field]

yes

[steep tulip]

Probably not following close relatives

Like it could most likely walk, but very slowly and clumsily I imagine

[plush nacelle]

If it was anything like giant salamander then vivarium is probably better option

[steep tulip]

Giant salamanders do have similar proportions, so I think they are good analogues

[amber field]

I would love to see mastodonsaurus

[plush nacelle]

I imagine being able to navigate fast enough through exhibit is important factor.

[hollow flower]

I feel Mastodonsaurus, Prionosuchus and Koolasuchus are the 3 main temnospondyls for the game

[steep tulip]

and eryops

Eryops imo has the best chance to be full exhibit

[hollow flower]

Cacops would be a nice mini to have

Eryops on the other hand would be a good full exhibit

[amber field]

This would be great too

Platyhystrix

[plush nacelle]

I cant name more than few of them

Still would consume whatever Mau is going to throw

[ancient ibex]

God I love the big chunk

[amber field]

They were highly diverse

[hollow flower]

Theres also the Beast of Lesotho™

Temnospondyl equivalent of that kenyan abelisaurid

Now that I think about theres probably all sorts of crazy stuff from africa like Gaiasia and the unnamed animals that just havent been found there due to the socioeconomic problems

[coarse inlet]

Yep

West/South Asia too

Look at what’s come out of just Morocco in the past 20 years

But yeah Eryops is the best big temnospondyl for a full habitat species

[shell sonnet]

Gaiasia is probably big enough for full habitat

[plush nacelle]

If gaiasia is anything like google images show then it is definitely vivarium critter

[coarse inlet]

It’s also one of what I consider the six essential Permian habitat species (Dimetrodon, Edaphosaurus, Eryops, Inostrancevia, Scutosaurus, and any big Dinocephalian)

[coarse inlet]

Why?

[plush nacelle]

These tiny limbs

How it would even walk lmao

[hollow flower]

True

[shell sonnet]

We don't have its limbs

[hollow flower]

Like a mega tiktaalik

that is also true

[coarse inlet]

It doesn’t have to be terrestrial

It could be a good freshwater habitat species if aquatics are added

[plush nacelle]

Close relatives have short limbs and long body so ..

[hollow flower]

An animal more likely to take its place in the vivarium is Crassigyrinus

[shell sonnet]

You're missing quite a few

[coarse inlet]

These are what I consider the bare minimum not my personal wishlist

[shell sonnet]

For one thing, you forgot our lord and savior

[coarse inlet]

I’d want a caesid, multiple dinocephalians, a therocephalian etc

But those six are the ones that tend to show up in every depiction of the Permian in pop science books

[coarse inlet]

Honestly Edaphosaurus isn’t even that high on my personal wishlist but I recognize it’s a culturally significant species that should be in the game

[hollow flower]

Wonder what monstrous specimen this sizechart was made from

[steep tulip]

I think edapho might be the one I want the most ngl
Putting it in da swamp

[hollow flower]

Id like Secodontosaurus personally

I dont know what it is but alot of depictions make him look very polite

Also a more unique sphenacodontid than most which are just dimetrodon heads with different sails

[steep tulip]

Secodontosaurus is cool

[late swallow]

he does look very polite

[shell sonnet]

The only ones you can really say that for are Dimetrodon, Eryops, Edaphosaurus, Moschops, and Lystrosaurus, from what I've surveyed.

Which really shouldn't matter all that much anyway because Estemmenosuchus and Anteosaurus/Titanophoneus need to come.

[coarse inlet]

Inostrancevia is 100% in everything

[shell sonnet]

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Inostrancevia%2Cedaphosaurus%2Ceryops%2Cmoschops%2Cscutosaurus%2Canteosaurus%2Ccotylorhynchus%2CLycaenops&year_start=1980&year_end=2022&case_insensitive=true&corpus=en&smoothing=3

[coarse inlet]

C. hancocki. According to wiki
“FMNH UR 703, part of the skeleton of a very large individual including dorsal, lumbar, sacral, and caudal vertebrae, pelvis, femur, radius, ulna, and ribs. “

[coarse inlet]

Inostrancevia is almost always just called a Gorgonopsid, this is one of the reasons using trends and stuff doesn’t work

[shell sonnet]

Then for once, actually prove it

Gorgonopsid can equally apply to Lycaenops

[coarse inlet]

Because they’re huge and placed alongside Scutosaurus?!

It’s very silly to pretend Inostrancevia isn’t one of the most common Permian species in pop culture

[steep tulip]

Inostrancevia is probably the most requested permian species in the jwe fandom
I think its popular enough to stand with the others

[shell sonnet]

Translation, they've seen primeval

[steep tulip]

I mean probably
Also wwm

And all the other pieces that feature inostrancevia and scutosaurus beefing around

[coarse inlet]

WWM, Primeval, LooP

[shell sonnet]

That thing is never identified as a Inostrancevia, in fact the behind the scenes calls it Gorgonops

[coarse inlet]

A Gorgonops in latest Permian Russia hunting Scutosaurus and described as larger than a lion? Suuuuure

[shell sonnet]

https://walkingwith.fandom.com/wiki/Gorgonops

[coarse inlet]

Ok and? It’s clearly not a Gorgonops

[shell sonnet]

Not like the walking with series aren't full of errors

[coarse inlet]

Supplementary material for Walking With gives insane identifications all the time

They said that coati was a platypus

[hollow flower]

Either way Inos the best gorgonopsid to add by a long shot

[coarse inlet]

I think it’s pretty clear they just called it a Gorgonopsid bc it’s easier to say

[hollow flower]

I do find Ino a little overrated strangely enough

[tame thorn]

Anzu and gigantoraptor would be fun to see

[coarse inlet]

Saying Inostrancevia being popular isn’t connected to WWM is like saying Tropeognathus isn’t popular because of WWD

[hollow flower]

And I think it has to do with the fact that Anteo is very underrated

[coarse inlet]

Yeah Anteosaurus is cooler than Inostrancevia

But they’re different enough to stand on their own

[tulip umbra]

I hope we see the giant chicken trifecta: Deinocheirus, Gigantoraptor and Therizinosaurus

[shell sonnet]

There's a huge difference between the impact of WWD and WWM

[hollow flower]

If the 3 permian apex predators were more even in popularity id like it more but as it stands im a bit neutral on it

[coarse inlet]

That’s a duck, chicken, and turkey actually

[coarse inlet]

That’s a whole new sentence

[hollow flower]

All 3 of the main walking withs have had a large ripple effect in the paleo community

[shell sonnet]

And only of one which still has any real pop culture presence

[hollow flower]

WWD is probably the only one with an actual ripple effect in pop culture though

[glass snow]

anzu my beloved

[tulip umbra]

U guys prefer theri or nothro?

[quick ore]

no way

[hollow flower]

But realistically theres like 3 paleozoic creatures "known" in pop culture

[hollow flower]

Theri

And by alot

[tulip umbra]

Theri is fragmentary while nothro is complete

[quick ore]

the designs for the WWB species got reused in a lot of different places

[hollow flower]

True

Now that you mention it

[quick ore]

even Jimmy Neutron had Leptictidium and it had the exact same design just in a cartoony artstyle

[hollow flower]

I do remember lots of red headed gastornis depictions

[quick ore]

also

Macrauchenia's design got copied a Lot

even in toys

[glass snow]

The liopleurodon is another example

like it design essentially became the animals canonical patterning

[hollow flower]

And the magical liopleurodon

[shell sonnet]

Charlie's does not have the same pattern as the WWD's (and neither does Frontier's ugly mess)

[hollow flower]

Are you gonna tell me that the liopleurodon being in that animation isnt due to wwd but rather due to happenstance

[shell sonnet]

That's a different argument

I'm talking about the pattern

and the design

No one gave a rat's ass about Lio until WWD jumbo-sized

[late swallow]

its a Liopleurodon charlie!

[sharp plinth]

I love adra tickle it

[hollow flower]

I do wonder why Liopleurodon is in that

Cant seem to find an explanation

[shell sonnet]

Because it's random

[hollow flower]

Fair enough

[feral cedar]

IT’S A MAGICAL LIOPLEURODON CHARLIE

[shell sonnet]

All Charlie does is make me feel old

[late swallow]

that was peak random=funny humour period

[feral cedar]

it explains a lot

[ancient ibex]

Walking with Beasts was a bit less influential than Dinosaurs; about on par with Chased by Dinosaurs and Prehistoric Park mayhaps? Walking with Monsters and Sea Monsters strike me as the lesser popular ones

Beasts pretty much gave plenty of cenozoic species a boost in popularity

[feral cedar]

Leptictidium, Gastornis, Ambulocetus, "Indricotherium", Chalicotherium, Andrewsarchus, Basilosaurus, entelodonts, Deinotherium, Dinofelis, and Phorusrhacos I feel all got more popularity thanks to WWB

[zealous hedge]

Carolina Parrots and Passenger Pigeons add in PK?

Procoptodon add in PK????
Megalania add in PK???

[slim flare]

Sure

[sinful spruce]

Gigantoraptor, Leptictidum, A therizinosaur, probably megalosaurus, and dimetrodon as my personal "must haves", and hibberopterus as a(probably vivarium) oddball pick

[ancient ibex]

Gastornis pretty much replaced Diatryma in popular usage, even if the lump had happened in 1886.

[shell sonnet]

It depends, the Brits were quicker to make the switch then the Americans

[silver steeple]

Diatryma was used in media as recently as 2011

That being Fossil Fighters Champions

[shell sonnet]

Japan's different, keep in mind they kept using Seismosaurus in Animal Crossing until 2020

[slim flare]

PK is using Ugrannaluuk in 2025

[shell sonnet]

PK is made by hacks, what did you expect

[slim flare]

They’ll never recover from the hack-fraud allegations

[silver steeple]

PK scam smh

Why aren't we playing a real game

[shell sonnet]

Which is why we should all support Mesozoica

[silver steeple]

Like mesozoica

Lol

[slim flare]

Because it release on October 21st

[silver steeple]

True.....

[feral cedar]

close enough, welcome back EZ ||/j||

[feral cedar]

If Mononykus is too small for full exhibits then I think we should get Bonapartenykus instead

Or rather, we should get two alvarezsaurs, one full exhibit and one vivarium

Depending on whether Mononykus is large enough, it could be accompanied by either Shuvuuia or Bonapartenykus

[plucky mantle]

Now that we actually know the substrates, I have made my list.

...Don't mind that I included the six confirmed vivarium species on the top.

[late swallow]

Drep would be Insect btw

[quick ore]

why is Jakapil there

if Psittaco can be an exhibit animal then so can it

[plucky mantle]

Ah yes I did miss adding its diet

[plucky mantle]

Jakapil is the same length as Compsognathus. They are both quite a bit smaller than Psittacosaurus

All our Psittacosaurus species ingame are like, 2 meters long

[quick ore]

hrm, ok

[shell sonnet]

Since when was it confirmed compy could be arboreal

[toxic oriole]

Now we come to the question

What one could take all three vivariums?

[sinful spruce]

wood duck/j

[plucky mantle]

I could be misremembering but IIRC they mentioned that certain animals can go in multiple terrariums, not necessarily that it can climb

[late swallow]

Compy is meat, and i believe tik is as well

though i could very well be mistaken on tik

[sinful spruce]

idk if you're misremembering, but there isn't really a reason to have them in non-standard vivarium types(i.e. compy in arboreal) when there is only 1 species allowed per vivarium

[late swallow]

i don't see how that's relevant

[sinful spruce]

just my 2 cents on the animals in multiple types, unless i'm misinterpreting this

[late swallow]

just because each individual vivarium can hold a single species doesn't mean a taxon is limited to a single type of vivarium

[silver steeple]

Do we know that one animal per viv is still the case?

[shell sonnet]

Yes

[late swallow]

one species per, yes, confirmed this afternoon

[silver steeple]

Feels odd but I'm sure there's some reason

Especially odd if animals can be in multiple types

[late swallow]

tomfuckery

[toxic oriole]

I just found out that Attenborosaurus' holotype was destroyed too

[flint sable]

my guess is that the animals of seperate species would like

intersect with eachother or smth

[toxic oriole]

Adding that to the Lost n Found DLC concept

[late swallow]

Tameryraptor

Remember: if it was in Munich in '44 and the discoverer wasn't aligned with the state, good chance it got leveled with the museum

And if it was in London around that same time, well, same fate

[toxic oriole]

That too

Attenborosaurus
Tameryraptor
Aegyptosaurus
Tropeognathus (Only because the largest and most well known specimen was destroyed in that 2018 Museum Fire)
... Unfortunately Oxalaia would count here, + Bruhathkayosaurus, though they wont be here even if they do count for the idea.
Kentrosaurus
Stomatosuchus
Bahariasaurus (Even if its placement is unclear)
Tapejara + Tupandactylus
......... Yeah I am not including everything else

Even if its just a followup for that Lost Fossils idea I had in mind

[late swallow]

I would be interested in Aegyptosaurus

[toxic oriole]

Its unfortunate how England had plenty of those destroyed fossils

Question is, which place in the world had the most of those?

[flint sable]

it seems like alot of the ones said above were from either South America or Africa in origin

but were in European or South American museums

[zealous hedge]

Noah floor

[late swallow]

Stromer did a lot of African digs

[tame thorn]

I am so happy diplocaulus is there

[feral cedar]

Kentro’s fossil was destroyed?

[shell sonnet]

Some bones were yes, but there's no one kentrosaurus specimen

[late swallow]

Not one, but 27!

[coarse inlet]

Inoceramus as a decorative species

[hollow flower]

For a decorative species I suggest Shikamaia

[amber field]

Armadillosuchus as habitat animal

I didn't know there are this big .

[outer moth]

Koolasuchus n Crassigyrinus would fit in the amphibious tanks
Also there should probably be a wetland substrate

(Also Yi might be forest substrate)

[ancient ibex]

Or perhaps they keep using the biome system we already have

[silver steeple]

We already know that's not how its being done for minis

[outer moth]

I was referring to Flishster's list

[ancient ibex]

Gotcha

[outer moth]

But yeah, substrates would probably be named after the material than the biome

And I feel like animals wouldn't just have one

[amber field]

The big one, it will increase the size range for semiaquatic mammal

Perhaps it will be a big one too

[inner wedge]

we have to still see the effective land area for the amphibious vivariums

i think it will be larger than that

[amber field]

Those are just a placeholder , things will change in the next few months

[plush nacelle]

Will it?

I mean for tiktaalik this is decent amount of water

[plush nacelle]

Amphibious vivarium is weird, because there cant be one set up for all species since some animals will prefer less water and some like tiktaalik more

[steep tulip]

I think it would make sense to have more shallow water around the vivarium

So less aquatic animals can simply walk while others can sorta swim

Unless all animals are more overly aquatic than they are terrestrial but tbh I kinda dout that

But I think these should be more dynamic sorta like the arboreal ones that are able to fly

Doubt every arboreal animal gonna be a flier

[plush nacelle]

Based on enrichment concept art it seems animals are more aquatic

[steep tulip]

It works for stuff like diplocaulus or tiktaalik

But I imagine something like halszkaraptor or beelzebufo would need more terrain

Well obviously we don't know if we getting anything like this

But would be cool in the future

[sharp dock]

the exhibit is perfect for labrador duck :)

labrador duck for pk!

[steep tulip]

Talpanas?

[plush nacelle]

Each one has:

• underwater log
• lamp with basking rock
• small underwater toy
• trunk

[sharp dock]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-tree-trunks-creepy-gif-6118814

[steep tulip]

Oh damn it is a real thing lol

[amber field]

Seeing the size range of vivariums, I think it's pretty big possibility to get them

[shell sonnet]

Come on sea mink

[plucky mantle]

the devlog already says what the three substrate/biome types are- Forest, Rainforest, and Arid

[shell sonnet]

I wonder which would work best with coastal animals

[outer moth]

I didn’t see that?

[ancient ibex]

Read the log on a hurry, thanks for the heads up!

[hollow flower]

I dont like the creature on the right

[deep crest]

Could Titanoboa possibly be placed in the display case, and would it find the case too small?

[left spear]

The pterosaur or the tree beaver

[hollow flower]

Tree beaver

[late swallow]

4 times

[left spear]

How could you dislike this face

Btw what is It? Or is It just generic Cretaceous mammal n° 18

[late swallow]

And is now officially off the table, pack up Titanoboa squad

[sinful coyote]

That's Mirusodens

[late swallow]

Wikipedia is funny sometimes

[shell sonnet]

Hmm...

[late swallow]

That's so small

Like, cool as fuck

Snake with 4 stubby ass legs

Gets thrown cladisticly between stem-snake and mosasaur

[deep crest]

Titanoboa is out of the question, but this tiny creature, Tetrapodophis amplectus, should be okay, right?

[steep tulip]

I think stuff like titanoboa or koolasuchus might get their own special exhibits
Doesn't seem like devs are planning for titanoboa to be used in vivariums

[shell sonnet]

Might not have any plans period.

[late swallow]

See the fossil above

[steep tulip]

Well currently def not
But I don't think it's totally out of the question

[deep crest]

This satisfies both the "small creature" and "bizarre" aspects, right?

[steep tulip]

This one is a lizard apparently

Like a lizard lizard

[late swallow]

Stem-snake or mosasaur, depending who you ask

But it's also like

really fucking small and gracile

[shell sonnet]

Koolasuchus would be fine though in the largest current viviariums; it's big but not giant sized

[glass snow]

titano 100% could fit in the current vivariums it is just the devs aren’t adding it this update or planning too

[steep tulip]

Depending how they set it up I find it a bit unlikely, due its size it would need its own type of enrichment

[steep tulip]

Oh I see

[late swallow]

I have a feeling "we're not doing titanoboa" is a full stop thing

[amber field]

Adalatherium ?

[steep tulip]

Maybe
Its not that much smaller than rapenomamus

[shell sonnet]

If they can do Tiktaalik, they can do Koolasuchus (well Siderops because that's what Koolio is based on)

[late swallow]

Why does he look like he has a 2nd mortgage

[late swallow]

Koola with Siderops alt

[steep tulip]

Siderops I think its mini material

Apparently not

[glass snow]

They are both really big like exhibit sized but tiktaalik is a mini so it doesn’t really matter

[steep tulip]

Almost 3 meters

[shell sonnet]

Siderops is over 2.5 ms

[glass snow]

siderops is only slightly smaller than koola

and koola is just a jaw

[late swallow]

Tik is 2.75m

[amber field]

True … Both are one of the biggest mammals of the Mesozoic

[shell sonnet]

At max sized, but I think they'll go smaller

[steep tulip]

But anyway
The tiktaalik they are using is much smaller than the max size

At least according to this

[late swallow]

Yeah I see them hitting 1.5

[glass snow]

koola and siderops are like only only known for giant specimens

[late swallow]

Yeah that looks like 1.5

[glass snow]

tiktaalik is based seemling on small specimens

[shell sonnet]

I'm not saying I wouldn't mind Siderops as a full exhibit, but I can see it being a mini

[glass snow]

koola and siderops still could be minis

but I could see giant amphibians being semiaquatics in an aquatic expansion or smth

but they are so aquatic

that I’m not sure

[steep tulip]

Eryops goated

[glass snow]

they would use a water nest I guess if full

temno babies are not really tadpoles anyways and they could just skip the aquatic stage

[amber field]

She ? , it is from php , a single mother and always need to look out from majungasaurus

[sinful spruce]

and she has a 2nd mortgage

[steep tulip]

Problem with stuff like koolasuchus is mainly locomotion, I think they would have to make them more croc like in behaviour because I doubt they were doing much of anything on land except going from a body of water to the next

[shell sonnet]

Eryops would actually fit as a mini; it's about the length of Siderops, though probably much heavier.

[quick ore]

not how it's spelled 💀

[shell sonnet]

(not saying I want it as a mini)

[kindred night]

Hello again beautiful people! I am back >:D

While there are unique African species of dinosaurs in Prehistoric Kingdom, why not add more? Africa is full of weird and unique dinosaurs.

Criteria needed for which dinosaurs I'd like to see added:
How complete the skeletal structure is.
How much research has been conducted.
How many source images are there to create a model to scientific accuracy.
How unique/iconic is the dinosaur (can include dinosaurs made popular by the JP and JW series)

Dinosaurs I would like to be added include:

Aardonyx
Afrovenator
Giraffatitan
Kentrosaurus
Kotasaurus
Kryptops
Lapparentsaurus
Lesothosaurus
Majungasaurus
Masiakasaurus
Nigersaurus
Suchomimus

(Lets blow this up!!! >:D)

[steep tulip]

No way I spelled it wrong this whole time lmao

Its actually repenomamus

[quick ore]

mhm

[steep tulip]

True but it's was probably more suited for terrestrial life than other temnospondyls, so imo it fits better in full exhibits

[amber field]

Why not like oversized giant salamanders ?

[shell sonnet]

Pass on Lapparentsaurus

Also no Elaphrosaurus or Jobaria or Hetrodonto or Massospondylus

[steep tulip]

I imagine it was kind of similar to giant salamanders, and they do spend the vast majority of their time at the bottom of rivers or lakes or whatever

[amber field]

That what come to my mind too, it is closer to giant salamander than croc. And they slow moving predator

[shell sonnet]

I guess this isn't terrible, but I can't say I'd be thrilled

[amber field]

and they were found to hunt small vertebrates too, like mammals ..

[shell sonnet]

Also no to Krytops; but everything else is fine. Worst I can say is "this role has been filled" or "there's a better animal for this niche"

[abstract compass]

i heard kryptops slander.

[left spear]

Mydtops

[abstract compass]

in the category of small abelisaurs i do prefer one more though.

[left spear]

Nah but like ehhh, i Guess as a DLC could work? There's like 4 other more interesting abelisaurids tho imo

[abstract compass]

Lil guy that got crushed by a sauropod

little Spectro

[shell sonnet]

is this including Carnotaurus and Majung

[left spear]

Yes

Others are Raja as an alt and Rugops

[abstract compass]

Rugops or Spectro would be my choices for a small guy atleast. Devs could do alot of stuff with Rugops' head

[left spear]

Also that small super basal small one i don't remember the name of right now

[shell sonnet]

Can't say I'd care for either of those but you do you; I do like Spectro

[abstract compass]

yeah thats Spectro.

[left spear]

Spectro then

Cool guy

[shell sonnet]

Such a nice guy

[abstract compass]

beat me to it

[left spear]

Double trouble

[abstract compass]

sidenote: one of my favorite skulls of all theropods is Abelisaurus

[left spear]

Abeli would be really cool

I see It more as an alt tho

Could It work with anyone?

[abstract compass]

idk how you would. Its shape is very different to most Abelisaurs funnily enough.

maybe Spectro if u really wanted to stretch it i guess?

[late swallow]

Two better Abelisaurs to come first

[shell sonnet]

Not really;

[late swallow]

Carno [confirmed] and Majung

[left spear]

I mean yeah the obvious ones

[junior furnace]

Spectro would be a neat little guy

[left spear]

It's like with spinosaurids with Bary/spino

They're a given

[late swallow]

And sucho bringing up the rear

[late swallow]

That's respectably complete

[shell sonnet]

That's all we have though

[left spear]

Sucho is the cool cousin that everyone likes but can't always show up to family reunions

[late swallow]

Nothing postcranial?

[left spear]

Obviously do hope we get It in an African dlc

[shell sonnet]

Correct

[shell sonnet]

I hope the devs change their minds and make it a Bary alt for U18

[late swallow]

Fucking wild

[left spear]

Honestly i don't see why It wouldn't work, sure it's not a 100% match but neither are for example Juxia or Ugru

Hopefully It gets in 18

Honestly i don't know if It would be realistic but a bary/sucho/spino exhibit would go so hard

[shell sonnet]

They're very close; remember Sucho used to be considered a species of Bary

[late swallow]

Sucho is the most logical member of Ceratosuchopsini to add

[ancient ibex]

Abelisaurus has the issue of Aucasaurus potentially being the same (beyond Greg Paul doing his stuff), but all in all we need more specimens

[left spear]

Why is It named after ceratosuchops 😭

[ancient ibex]

2 Bary lineage animals and random Spinosaurus

[ancient ibex]

Because Suchomimus is not something you want to anchor taxonomy to

Because Sereno crap

[left spear]

If it's on the same dae It works for me, herbi exhibits break that all the time either way

[left spear]

Always has to be Sereno huh

[ancient ibex]

That doesn't explain why

[late swallow]

Please just say family I beh

[late swallow]

The paper doesn't either

Bakker p much just picked one of his new drawings to make the type of the tribe

[ancient ibex]

Naish commented on that

As he is also one of the authors

FWIW, remember that, while this is how the topology looks like

This is how direct ancestry shows up in phylo analysis

Not saying that there is direct ancestry, but that the 2 younger Wealden Baryonychines aren't "very different from Baryonyx as they are close to Suchomimus"

[late swallow]

Also - small aside - odd to see Sucho more closely placed to the English spinosaurids than other African ones

[ancient ibex]

Not really

We also have other Wealden lineages in Niger

[late swallow]

Neat

[ancient ibex]

Sucho has consistently been found closer to Bary than to Spino

[late swallow]

But I think we're in Sci chat territory at this point

[ancient ibex]

Spinosaurinae also has European rep

Oh yeah

[late swallow]

Oh! Right! Ourano's next of kin, whatchafuckitsaurus

Would be cool to see

[ancient ibex]

Istiorachis

And of course Dryosaurids

I honestly would lowkey enjoy getting 3 new Dryosaurus skins found in Tendaguru, the Wealden complex and Elrhaz

[late swallow]

I'm sure there are Dryosaurids in Lourinhã, right?

[ancient ibex]

cf. Dryo I believe

TTBT, the more data we get, the less different Lourinha and the Morrison look like

[late swallow]

Portuguese Morrison™

[ancient ibex]

S'like the Okavango and Serengeti, half a continent away from each other

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eousdryosaurus Yep, full fledged taxon

[coarse inlet]

Lourinha was an island though

[hollow flower]

A calderra I believe?

[ancient ibex]

Not much of a separation tho

The Atlantic was starting to split but the animals were the same as those from Colorado pretty much

[coarse inlet]

Not really

There was stuff in common but also some significant differences

Turiasaurs being the big one that comes to mind

[ancient ibex]

There are more resemblances than differences ttbt

[feral cedar]

what happened

[short rover]

Nothing

[fresh ember]

For context.

[short rover]

Oh!

[feral cedar]

it’s so Titanobover

[lean hound]

I mean

That's just for the current vivariums

it's not impossible that it appears at some point

I do still doubt it though

[ancient ibex]

I'd say off the table for EA, but IMO still viable down the line

[zealous hedge]

Asteriornis add in PK??
They’re family Chickens

[sharp dock]

Turiasaurus mentioned 🥳 🔥

[reef relic]

Quick, what terrarium animals would you put in PK?

Aquilops 😄
The good one, not the Dolores one

[feral cedar]

Shuvuuia

[lean hound]

sinosauropteryx

basic but it's good

[plush nacelle]

Makes sense with new vivarium system.

[reef relic]

I remember learning about Alvarezsaurs through Dinosaur Planet and becoming fascinated with the fact that we had verifiable insectivorous dinosaurs

[quick ore]

they were basal galloanseriformes

[plush nacelle]

Would be hard to animate snake not using loops

[quick ore]

they weren't any closer to chickens than they were to any other member of the groups

like ducks or dromornithids

[sinful spruce]

hibberopterus

[reef relic]

That's a good one

We love little oddball dudes

[sinful spruce]

found out about it from a megaquarium mod and loved it ever since

[quick ore]

*Hibbertopterus

also yes I agree, one of my biggest wants as a vivarium species

[sinful spruce]

yeah i noticed when i looked it up

[quick ore]

probably the only way we will get a sea scorpion without fully aquatic vivariums

[zealous hedge]

This?????

[reef relic]

Speaking of, what would you expect the aquatics to be like in this game? (If we ever got them)
Do you think they'd approach them like extra huge vivariums or try a dynamic system similar to the habitat species

[reef relic]

Could be a neat little filler dude. Though I'd argue for something a bit more well-known like Ichthyornis if they're gonna add an actual small bird species

[zealous hedge]

Thank

[steep tulip]

Big aquatics like mosa or elasmo will have their own system
I imagine similar to the lagoons in jwe

[reef relic]

Welcome

[steep tulip]

Smaller aquatics either gonna work like current minis or be fully looped

[reef relic]

Y'know, the devs said that post-release content entirely hinges on how well the game sells. If it's not a wild success they might move on to the next project.

... Tethys Kingdom?

[lean hound]

it almost definitely won't go badly

[steep tulip]

They said its not gonna be another park manager but something different

[reef relic]

Oh for sure but let a man dream

[steep tulip]

I doubt as well but even then aquatics seems to have a long way to go even after post ea

[reef relic]

I'd be down to see what they make next, but I am self-admittedly one of those people who would definitely spend an inordinate amount of money on PK DLCs if Blue Meridian made them

Plus, being a zoo sim game, there's a decent argument for the inclusion of just about any prehistoric species. It's not a survival game like ARK or The Isle where you need to justify the unique function of each animal you include.

[quick ore]

yes, not actual chickens

[amber field]

Narwhaler when you begin to mod the game ? , or you have plans in the future

[sharp dock]

what game

i dont plan to mod pk cuz afaik it's not moddable

and it's p much perfect as it is

[short rover]

now you have an excuse to mod titanoboa in