Community Species Suggestions

[coarse inlet]

I’ve never seen anyone disembowled by an eagle except in Greek mythology

Those claws are pretty similar

[silver steeple]

Because eagles don't attack people's stomachs

[shell sonnet]

They can

[steep tulip]

Giant birds go so hard
Really hoping we got kelenken correctly (this is gastornis tho)

[short rover]

I want kelenken in U19 so bad

[outer moth]

They can
They just don't do it cuz they'd rather use their beaks for that
Plus they don't go out of their way to attack people (Unless you're a small child in Alaska)

I mean that's why kids gotta walk to school in packs in Alaska
Cuz bald eagles can straight up take em away

[shell sonnet]

We don't have a lot of it is the issue

[silver steeple]

Its the same deal as Argent tbh

[late swallow]

Skeksis lookin

[silver steeple]

Filled in with everything else to get a decent picture

[late swallow]

I'd put it closer to carch

[steep tulip]

Tbh
This is true for most terror birds

All the good ones are either a mess taxonomically or very small

Well not very small

[late swallow]

Small for terror birds

[steep tulip]

Smaller and less known

Yeah

[plush nacelle]

Or maybe well known ones are big for terror birds?

[short rover]

Indeed

[late swallow]

Whatever helps your self esteem

[steep tulip]

Kelenken is the among the bigger ones and best known ones as well, so it makes sense to pick it over something else

Best known by fame

[short rover]

Titanis is far more well known generally I’d argue

[silver steeple]

Nah

[plush nacelle]

Could argue with titanis

[short rover]

Even if it’s more frag

[silver steeple]

That def goes to Titanis

[digital pendant]

because you are american

[coarse inlet]

It doesn’t have the same iconic look as stuff like Phorusrachos and Devincenzia

That’s my only real issue

It’s still a good thing to have in the game

[silver steeple]

I still don't get the hype behind Devin

[slim flare]

Phorusrachos ftw

[digital pendant]

most well known one by name and everything is phorus proper tbh

[silver steeple]

Yeah

[coarse inlet]

It’s big and looks cool what else is there?

It’s not more fragmentary than Kelenken

[short rover]

I mean I feel like I see that sentiment online? I don’t talk with anyone irl in America about terror birds lol

[silver steeple]

Its not big by any large margin over any of the other massive phorusrachids

[steep tulip]

I was correcting my comment since I didn't want to be read as a best known one by material
Idk which one is more famous between the 2 at this point

[shell sonnet]

I personally would not have chosen Argent, but that's beside the point

[silver steeple]

Then you simply lack whimsy I fear

[digital pendant]

most online interactions are with americans or the anglosphere so its very heavily biased tbh

[coarse inlet]

Titanis isn’t popular because it’s American it’s popular because ot coexisted with smilodon

[short rover]

Yeah but I feel like that’s just how online is regardless of wether I’m American or not

[coarse inlet]

And because people used to think it had T. rex arms

[digital pendant]

nah its definitely the american sentiment for it being the only NA bird and blah blah

[steep tulip]

Titanis is weird because it seems to have a lot of stuff attributed other than the holotype
But there's no study actually analysing the whole, so it seems its not actually that well understood or if that material belongs to something else

[digital pendant]

but is very fragmentary

[short rover]

I just figured it was because it was in primeval lol

[slim flare]

Says who?

[coarse inlet]

If that were the case Paracrax would be way more popular than it is

[digital pendant]

you guys also forget the unfortunate meme of the titanis killing the tiny horse

[slim flare]

I’ve never heard anyone say that, just it was thought to be the last terror bird and was actually alongside Smilodon

[shell sonnet]

Maybe, maybe not

[digital pendant]

both which never coexisted

[coarse inlet]

CAN WE STOP WITH THE GODDAMN GOOGLE

[digital pendant]

these google trends are pointless

[late swallow]

Which Smilo

[plush nacelle]

AD being upset about titanis as always

[digital pendant]

i am not?

[silver steeple]

gracilis

[shell sonnet]

No, it's useful

[steep tulip]

All the attributed stuff is usually collection of a couple of bones found separately across the country
There's not a single specimen you could potentially refer to with more confidence than the others
At least from what I've read

[silver steeple]

Eh

[coarse inlet]

It’s really not

[short rover]

It’s not

[late swallow]

Also the Genus Smilodon had a range from Magellan clear to Alberta

[quick ore]

google trends aren't popularity polls or indicative of how well known something is all they do is show how often people search for said animal on google

[coarse inlet]

It just escalates arguments

[short rover]

It got that far south?

[late swallow]

Yes

[short rover]

Oh yeah populator duh

[shell sonnet]

and the better known something is, the more likely it gets searched minus any big news events

[digital pendant]

during interglacials yeah

[coarse inlet]

Yeah but by the time it was in SA the big terror birds were extinct

[digital pendant]

not really

S. gracilis did exist in SA as well and there is evidence of other terror birds in early pleistocene of SA

[quick ore]

you are the only person I have ever seen try to use google trends to argue for how well known extinct animals are, if they were at all actually useful or meaningful I feel like I would have seen them used by literally anyone else

[late swallow]

My point was 'lived alongside Smilodon' isn't super relevant location wise

Temporally, maybe

[quick ore]

is this view shared by any other person you know or did you just come up with it

[late swallow]

Inverse, imo

[digital pendant]

does the search even account for different individuals? Because it could also be the same lot of people many times during the same day tbf 😂

[late swallow]

When someone would post a genus I didn't know, I'd go search it

[silver steeple]

I know I've had to do such before

[late swallow]

Fuckin same

[short rover]

“Stegorous was googled more in 2023 than tyrannosaurus, therefore for that year stegorous was a more popular dinosaur than T. rex” ahh evidence

[coarse inlet]

Also most people who aren’t super nerds are just gonna search “terror bird”

[plush nacelle]

Was it?

[late swallow]

Stegorous is cool tbf

[short rover]

I made that scenario up to illustrate a point

I have no idea

[late swallow]

Kayakasaurus made a life size one

[quick ore]

No one thinks these google trends mean anything, you are the only person who thinks they are valid as a form of gauging popularity, and every time you bring them up in a convo it just makes people mad. I feel like you should just stop using them altogether

[shell sonnet]

Duplicate searches taken in a short frame are combined as one if made by the same user

[late swallow]

Also doesn't account for other engines

Bing, DDG, etc

[shell sonnet]

I know

The weakness with them is China isn't included

[late swallow]

The weakness is using them to judge popularity

[coarse inlet]

I doubt it’s that extreme but new discoveries absolutely have more searches

Or if it’s in a recent show

That doesn’t make them more popular overall

But also judging what’s a good addition should be more than a question of popularity statistics

[short rover]

Trug

[silver steeple]

Ternary graph......

[shell sonnet]

And over time, you expect the searches to drop down and level out to a more reasonable number.

[hollow flower]

Devins a complete flatline

[digital pendant]

baryonyx is also an ark animal so thats possibly whats going on lol

[hollow flower]

Unsuprisingly

[coarse inlet]

Who cares who cares who cares

Animals become popular by being included in media

[plush nacelle]

Devin is really niche animal tbh

[late swallow]

That's a good thing!

It means more people get to experience cool creature

[coarse inlet]

Yes

[shell sonnet]

And being in Ark would be a good means of increasing of how well known/popular it is given ARK's sucess

[coarse inlet]

Mononykus got a HUGE boost from Prehistoric Planet

[late swallow]

And honestly? Picking the nobody can introduce people!

[hollow flower]

True

Would still prefer Kelenken over it though

[coarse inlet]

My issue is that Kelenken doesn’t look like a “classic” terror bird

The long skull is cool and unique but the shorter beak is what most people will picture for phorusrachids

[silver steeple]

Ok and most people don't expect osteoderms on their massive titanosaur

[hollow flower]

I feel like 2 terror birds and then maybe 2 gastornithids would do the trick

[silver steeple]

Yet there's argent

[digital pendant]

most "classic" terror birds are reconstructed very badly as well so thats not a solid argument

[late swallow]

Argent and Alamo yeah?

[steep tulip]

Big terror birds probably could work as alts of eachother
It doesn't seems like there's any planned but who knows
I definitely prefer to get something smaller if we get another as a separate slot

[silver steeple]

Honestly a lot of times "unexpected" elements add a lot of character to the animal

Like Iggy

[silver steeple]

I'm talking about in game

We have no osteoderms for Argent irl

[coarse inlet]

As far as I know Knight’s take is still pretty accurate except for the foot claws

[hollow flower]

The legs look a bit thin no?

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/meh-mediocre-so-so-kinda-maybe-gif-13935570

[digital pendant]

yeah that looks off

very off

[coarse inlet]

How?

[quick ore]

why are its wings doing that

[silver steeple]

The legs are way too thin for one

Phorusrachid legs were beefy

[coarse inlet]

I’m talking about the head though

[slim flare]

I like the concept that the PK dev team is checking the statistics on animal popularity to determine what to add

[silver steeple]

You never said that

[coarse inlet]

Yes??? I did??

[silver steeple]

You explicitly made it about the full body when you mentioned the feet lmao

[coarse inlet]

Literally

[digital pendant]

you said the piece was accurate barring the feet therefore you implied the entire thing

[silver steeple]

^

[short rover]

I don’t think people have an image of “classic terror bird” barring “big mean bird with big sharp beak” so idrk what that means

[late swallow]

Counter: we only have the foot and the beak

[quick ore]

"Put in Ugrunaaluk"

[late swallow]

Ergo, if it is not about the feet being accurate, it would then be the beak

[digital pendant]

counter is weak because terror birds have consistent anatomy

[quick ore]

also on the topic of terror birds, I want Phorusrhacos

[short rover]

lol

[digital pendant]

and are beefy animals

[silver steeple]

^

[digital pendant]

so because we lack the rest of the body doesnt mean we arent aware of their role and overall built

[slim flare]

Said the Devil

[silver steeple]

Idk if there is any media out rn that really gets them right?

[plush nacelle]

Surviving earth will feature one

[short rover]

Atm no

[hollow flower]

Id personally want Kele and Titanis but I wouldnt mind Phorusrhacos at all

[quick ore]

oh god remember the scene of them in Life on Our Planet

[silver steeple]

See: "out rn"

[quick ore]

of them being powerless against sabertooths

[coarse inlet]

That pissed me off so bad

[quick ore]

it sucks

not only does the scene itself suck

it pushes the notion that they were outcompeted by mammals

[silver steeple]

This shows how fuckin beefy these things were

[coarse inlet]

It’s not quite as bad as dodo Lystrosaurus though

[quick ore]

or that mammals best birds automatically

[hollow flower]

Speaking of large flightless birds

[slim flare]

Chunga

[quick ore]

fair but it is in a similar vein of sucking

YES

[hollow flower]

Dromornis stirtoni would be very nice as australian rep

[quick ore]

I want Dromornis

[silver steeple]

Is this the singular of chungus

[quick ore]

wait

[coarse inlet]

Dromornis rules

[quick ore]

can Genyornis be a Dromornis alt?

[hollow flower]

I would say maybe?

[coarse inlet]

Don’t see why not

[slim flare]

Female chungus

[quick ore]

wait if Seriemas are chunga

and terror birds are their giant relatives

[hollow flower]

Heres the 3 main gastornithids (excluding Diatryma)

[quick ore]

then they would be

Big Chunga

[coarse inlet]

If dromornithids are related it’s still contentious afaik

[left spear]

Terror bird talk? i must engage on Devin propgaganda

[coarse inlet]

Don’t they’ll kill you

[hollow flower]

There goes Mightanis

[silver steeple]

Looks like Geny's head is very different in shape and proportion?

[short rover]

Relevant

[short rover]

Wrong image unfortunately

[coarse inlet]

Yeah

[quick ore]

oh wait wait idea; Psilopterus

[hollow flower]

Well it was pretty funny

[left spear]

For terror birds? yeah they kidna do

[left spear]

How many angry birds phorusracid reaction images do you have

[hollow flower]

Is the white angry bird a gastornithid

[short rover]

Two which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice

[silver steeple]

Anyway

To get back on track

Are there any Borophagines besides Borophagus that ya'll would like to see (and why if you feel like elaborating)

[hollow furnace]

Epicyon

Big dog

[toxic oriole]

Oh now I remember, the canine-like animal that was in the demo was Hyaenodon, yeah?

[short rover]

It was never in the demo

They just made a Hyaenodon model around that time

[toxic oriole]

Ah

So it has an old model, what are the chances Hyaenodon was scrapped?

[quick ore]

i hope it comes eventually

[silver steeple]

And sounds

[short rover]

I believe it’s in the post ea ideas list?

But yea I’d love for it to come eventually

[toxic oriole]

Huh?

horridus?

WHY DOES IT GIVE ME THYLACINE VIBES

[silver steeple]

So much work was done for them I'd be almost surprised if it didn't return

[toxic oriole]

Oh I see, its the stripes

The back stripes

[silver steeple]

We had horridus (1st pic) and gigas (2nd and 3rd)

This was back before EA

[slim flare]

Amphicyon...

[silver steeple]

I think its funny that there are both Bear Dogs and Dog Bears

And they aren't even closely related!

[short rover]

Bear dogs are kinda the default big mammalian carnivore to me

Idk how to explain it

They’re cool tho

[plush nacelle]

Amphicyon would be so interesting

[toxic oriole]

I've seen depictions after looking it up

Some just show it as a Bear with a Tail

Others are a little more intermediate, kinda like a blend between canine and bear

[silver steeple]

They are called bear dogs for a reason

Amphicyon has lots of alt potential too

[plush nacelle]

The fact it was plantigrade and probably could walk bipedally just like bears for short time

https://tenor.com/view/excuse-me-i-have-to-take-a-dump-just-passing-thru-excuse-gif-13860214

[toxic oriole]

CLOSE THE DOOR FREDDYS COMING

[silver steeple]

Look at this fuckin thing man

[slim flare]

Gorilla werewolf...

[silver steeple]

These lads were probably hunting rhinos and elephants (albeit slightly smaller than what we have today

[ancient ibex]

Case in point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMqscAZozKc

[plush nacelle]

Sansan paleontological site so good

Probably one of the major miocene places in PK

[silver steeple]

Eh

Looking at a list of fauna and I think most of it either doesn't have much chance, or what does have a chance is probably better known elsewhere

[plush nacelle]

It is essentially everything you can have from miocene europe in one place

[hollow furnace]

Definitely hope PK gets some cool neogene mammals

[left spear]

I was gonna suggest some but there's too many

[plush nacelle]

Anisodon with pleistocene alt of course

[ancient ibex]

Pretending the "quaternary" is a thing is just the same brand of hubris that gave us the so-called anthropocene

[coarse inlet]

For pan-carnivorans my big wants are Aenocyon, Epicyon, Amphicyon, Hyaenodon, Dinocrocuta, and Enhydriodon

[coarse inlet]

The reason for the Anthropocene is because we’re literally changing what’s in the sediment with our trash not because we feel self important

[ancient ibex]

Just like we have an iridium layer at the top of the cretaceous

[coarse inlet]

Anisodon is a better choice than Chalicotherium

[ancient ibex]

There is a reason the anthropocene wasn't really accepted, it is an event at most

[coarse inlet]

Yeah and we call that the start of the Paleocene

The moment the asteroid hit was the start of the Cenozoic

[ancient ibex]

Not the Iridiocene

It is an event, not an epoch

[coarse inlet]

Do you want us to look into the future to come up with a better name that reflects the future fauna?

[ancient ibex]

Present biota

[coarse inlet]

It’s clearly a boundary event and so the start of something new, this is a reasonable thing to call it

[ancient ibex]

And most workers do agree

Pleistocene extinction event if you must

[left spear]

If we look only at future fauna then Antropocene is probably accurate

[coarse inlet]

That’s a different thing

[left spear]

Not that that is a good metric

[toxic oriole]

Even if its too late for Zhuchengtyrannus to be an alt for T-Rex, uhhh...
I suggest it anyways

[coarse inlet]

Anyway this is off topic and dumb

[ancient ibex]

The permian extinction lasted several times longer than the holocene, to say nothing of the industrial centuries we are living at

[left spear]

Ehh like for a alt dlc ig?

Not that many more alts you can give rex

[coarse inlet]

Not even remotely what I’m saying but whatever this is stupid to argue about

[ancient ibex]

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00675-8 Geologists don't agree with you anyway

[left spear]

Tho tbh i would probably rather get Giga that Zhucheng

[coarse inlet]

Just fucking drop it I don’t care can we talk about animals

[toxic oriole]

Then add it to said "Alt DLC"

[ancient ibex]

What would Zhucheng bring to the table?

It is a Tarbosaur

Lived with Shantung

[plush nacelle]

Aura

[left spear]

A bit less than giga

which already says a lot

[ancient ibex]

It is far more poorly known than either of the Tyrannosaurins present in game

[coarse inlet]

We do not need another tyrannosaurin

That too

[toxic oriole]

"we"

[left spear]

Nanuq if we get more remains

[coarse inlet]

There are so many more interesting tyrannosaurids that have actually decent material

[left spear]

Otherwise yeah no

[ancient ibex]

Albertosaurs, Aliorams and even Daspletosaurs would be cooler than yet another Tyrannosaurus sensu latu

[coarse inlet]

Alioramus or bust

[toxic oriole]

Despicable opinions...

Too bad I am suggesting the animal regardless of your opinions!!!

[late swallow]

What the fuck are you even saying here?

[coarse inlet]

Nah Alioramus clears

[coarse inlet]

Who the hell knows

[left spear]

Zhucheng is like on the lowest possible tier of priority of we """need""" any less and it really shouldnt be added

[late swallow]

I sure don't, that's why I asked lmao

[left spear]

imo it barely makes the cut

[toxic oriole]

Well in that case

Sinoceratops

[left spear]

Decent

[coarse inlet]

That’s a good choice

[late swallow]

Hell yeag

[left spear]

Not a priority but decent

[toxic oriole]

And I mean THE REAL ONE.

[left spear]

good dlc material

[coarse inlet]

Especially because it needs redemption in pop culture

After… that thing shudder

[ancient ibex]

Pliocene and Pleistocene fauna don't have a difference worth of having separate periods, and everything counted at the end of the Pleistocene is just an extinction event (as most of those go, the K-Pg one is the odd one out)

[quick ore]

Zuniceratops + Nothronychus would be nice to have eventually

[toxic oriole]

What other mesozoic zhucheng animals were there in that location aside Z-Rex (Just a nickname some people came up with for it, I dunno why) and Sinoceratops and Shantungosaurus, wait did Sino even co-exist with Zhuchengtyrannus?

[ancient ibex]

Honestly, Sinoceratops has the neat deal of "Asian ceratopsID", but... it is a very partial skull, and the Jurassic brainrot associated with it annoys me

[late swallow]

They're not Periods

[ancient ibex]

The Quaternary is

[late swallow]

Yes

[coarse inlet]

Yeah

[late swallow]

But you called pretending it's a thing is just hubris, so which is it?

[toxic oriole]

Okay it did co-exist with Zhuchengtyrannus and Shantungosaurus

Sino did at least

[ancient ibex]

The criteria used to split the Pliocene and Pleistocene as belonging to separate periods (and it used to be ERAS) is hubris from the old days

[toxic oriole]

Oh, theres also Zhuchengceratops itself

Small guy

[ancient ibex]

There is no faunal turnover between them, if anything that'd include the Pliocene, and it isn't as noticeable as the Oligocene/Miocene split

Zhuchengceratops is a lepto

FWIW, the cool animal that lived alongside Shantungo is Tsintao

Weird early splitting lambeosaur branch

[toxic oriole]

Wangshi formation is what its called, huh?

[flint sable]

pliocene and pleistocene is pretty blurry yeah

[toxic oriole]

Oh, Wangshi group

[late swallow]

I'm more keen to trust the ICS's publishing than some dude on a discord server

[toxic oriole]

PINACOSAURUS WAS THERE TOO? WHAT?

WANGSHI GROUP HAS PINACOSAURUS?

[flint sable]

also not that much really happened in the pliocene in my opinion other than human evolution which is pretty cool ig

and ig alot of the modern genera arose then too

[left spear]

Ischioceratops? ig it could be a proto alt but tbh everything else including ischio itslef is kidna worthless

[ancient ibex]

Modern fauna pretty much develops from the Plio to today

Whole bunch of animals split from their closest relatives at that time

[flint sable]

ye

ig thats kinda interesting

[ancient ibex]

Grassland spread

[toxic oriole]

What is Tanius?

[flint sable]

decent extinctions happened then too

alot of the last relicts of groups died out in the late miocene and pliocene

[ancient ibex]

Tanius is a weird thing that got several different hadrosaurs lumped into it IIRC

[flint sable]

hyaenadonts, notosuchians, astrapotheres, sparrassadonts, ect

herpetotheriids

gondwanatheriids

ect

[flint sable]

really underrated group btw, last metatherians in eurasia

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, the mio-plio boundary is more significative than the plio-pleisto one IMO

[flint sable]

survived till the miocene

[ancient ibex]

The miocene is also huge af

[flint sable]

true

Eocene was bigger tho

Eocene was like

[ancient ibex]

18 million years, and only a bit over 5 since it was over

[flint sable]

more than a third of the cenozoic iirc

[ancient ibex]

23 million years

[flint sable]

Eocene+Miocene alone is over half

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, eocene and miocene don't really narrow down stuff

[flint sable]

one of the main reasons in my spec evo project I had Miocene and Eocene split into 2 phases each

since they were just so big

[ancient ibex]

Oligocene and paleocene are also 10 MY apiece, and then we have Pliocene 250K years short of 3 MY, and then the quaternary, 2.58 MY long, of which 2.57 are Pleistocene

[silver steeple]

Its very much not "a very partial skull" lmao

[flint sable]

holocene basically nothing lol

[ancient ibex]

That includes the associated material, but sorry, wasn't really precise

[digital pendant]

@ancient ibex erior man why do you have to constantly derail everything over random scientific factoids. Is extremely disruptive when there is a #science-chat to go to

[sharp dock]

Sino ugly

Gib agujaceratops

[toxic oriole]

DLC idea:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wangshi_Group
Or at least a few headliners from this place

[coarse inlet]

Sinoceratops is also pretty big

[toxic oriole]

Theres an oviraptorosaur called Anomalipes

Huh.

[late swallow]

Let's add Archeroraptor

[coarse inlet]

The frill looks great too

[late swallow]

Real

[silver steeple]

Its one of the largest centrosaurines iirc

[coarse inlet]

I don’t get it, is the joke that it’s a typo?

[coarse inlet]

It is

[silver steeple]

Alongside Pachyrhino

[slim flare]

*Acheroraptor

[silver steeple]

Yall really don't know the story?

[coarse inlet]

No?

[silver steeple]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeoraptor

There was a slight typo in Lotus's message

But they were referencing this

[ancient ibex]

I made a offhand comment and 2 other people kept responding to it. Will gladly move convos there, but my intention wasn't to derail anything, just to make a quick joke and move on, so sorry over that

[tame thorn]

I remember the documentary for that, was a fascinating watch

[ancient ibex]

We got half of Archaeoraptor and the other half would be cool

[slim flare]

Sino would be cool

[shell sonnet]

I remember when high school Bio teacher handed out the Nat Geo article for this, and I stated that the finding was fake. She was clearly trying to spring a trap on the class with the article.

[late swallow]

No, Ha-Satan got the right animal

[ancient ibex]

I grumble at Sinoceratops for the disservice Fallen Kingdom was to it, but hey, I also grumble at Nasutoceratops for how they try to replace Triceratops of all things with it; they are cool animals, and I hope we find more of Sino

[late swallow]

Nasuto is cooler than Trike in my opinion, the horns are nifty

[tame thorn]

Sinomegaceros would be nice to see

[ancient ibex]

Archeoraptor was used as ammo for "feathered dinosaurs are all fake" 2 decades ago

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-bye-bye-felicia-ok-bye-ok-gif-12286894223921059374

Read as a joke to me

[silver steeple]

Silly beast

[late swallow]

Oh, it still was a jome

[silver steeple]

Jome

[late swallow]

It's a face

[shell sonnet]

As if that would stop anyone

[late swallow]

But hey! It lived with T. rex!

[silver steeple]

Several NA dromaeosaurs seem to be

Pretty sure we have some other small raptor bits and bobs laying around HC

Just unassigned cause no overlap

[shell sonnet]

Look if we want a late K NA dromaeosaur, Dromaoesaurus is right there

[ancient ibex]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanornis FWIW, this is the half of Archaeoraptor that isn't Microraptor; a neat piscivorous bird on the modern bird branch

[coarse inlet]

Sino is really cool and yeah hopefully we find more and that alien thing can stop dominating its search results

[shell sonnet]

That ain't happening

[tame thorn]

And cryolophosaurus for an Antarctica dig

[ancient ibex]

I tend to focus on Jeholornis/Confuciusornis and perhaps Sapeornis for Yixian birbs

[silver steeple]

JW taint corrupts all of google images to the end of time

[late swallow]

Yes

[toxic oriole]

Dilophosaurus' antarctic cousin

[ancient ibex]

But Yanornis is cool as well

[late swallow]

Heh you said taint

[coarse inlet]

Yeah

[tame thorn]

We have paleobotany in Antarctica so would be nice to have a dinosaur

[toxic oriole]

Theres a few, some of them are rather fragmentary

[shell sonnet]

Really that's just Crylopho and Antarctopelta maybe

[late swallow]

Obligatory Antarctopelta mention

[shell sonnet]

Too late

[ancient ibex]

Vegavis

[coarse inlet]

Vegavis

[toxic oriole]

🦆

[late swallow]

Vega is what

[ancient ibex]

But honestly Asteriornis is a better choice than Vegavis

Vegavis is likely a modern bird, and likely a fowl

[late swallow]

I want more freaks

[toxic oriole]

If only more complete fossils of the other fauna on Mainland Antarctica could be unburied

Then again, some say theys all underneath the ice

[shell sonnet]

Well climate change will fix that by melting all the ice

[tame thorn]

Antarctica is a very difficult place to do much in

[shell sonnet]

so easier paleontology in one snese

[silver steeple]

Asteriornis is also a fowl so I'm unsure why the distinction here is being made

[ancient ibex]

Vegavis used to be less well understood

We got a skull this year

[silver steeple]

Unless fowl =/= galleoanserae and I am dumb

[ancient ibex]

No no, the issue with Vegavis is that we weren't too certain of what kind of bird it was until this year

Got a skull, so certain fowl it is

[silver steeple]

Ok but now we know

So what's the problem

[ancient ibex]

None

Sorry

[silver steeple]

Ok

[toxic oriole]

How big is that skull?

[silver steeple]

Like duck sized I think

[toxic oriole]

Duck sized head?

[silver steeple]

Yeah

[toxic oriole]

Or head thats about the size of a ducks head?

[silver steeple]

That one

[ancient ibex]

Scale bar is a cm I believe

[silver steeple]

Equivalent to a duck's head

Approximately

[ancient ibex]

Vegavis a duck, Asteriornis a fowl that is neither duck nor chicken

[toxic oriole]

Duck from Antarctica

Oh

Wrong one I'm guessing?

[silver steeple]

That's a fair distinction

[toxic oriole]

🦆 🪿

[ancient ibex]

Presbyorns are also cool ducks, "Styginetta" remains still undescribed, but got a bunch of Paleogene ones

[silver steeple]

Asteriornis is basal to the split of waterfowl and other fowl

[toxic oriole]

WAIT FOWL IS ANOTHER WORD FOR GOOSE?

[silver steeple]

No

[ancient ibex]

Fowl is pretty much ducks and chickens

[toxic oriole]

Why the hell is that there then?

[silver steeple]

A very large group of birds

[shell sonnet]

Fowl isn't really a biological term; it's more a hunting /food one

[silver steeple]

From Peafowl to quail to mallards to C. falconeri

[silver steeple]

Generally yeah

[ancient ibex]

Gamefowl (chickens, turkeys, pheasants, partridges, quails...) and waterfowl (ducks incluiding geese incluiding swans, but also weirder stuff); turned out the generic term is apt for clear evolutive groups, and is less of a mouthful than galloansares

[silver steeple]

It broadly refers to galloanserae

^

Its a colloqial that actually just so happened to work out

[toxic oriole]

Have they found any prehistoric peafowl?

[silver steeple]

Unlike say, pachyderms

[silver steeple]

Yes actually

From the Caucaus mountains iirc

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, Gastornis is very likely part of the fowl group as well

Pelagorns may be as well, so plenty of great fowl to add to the game

[toxic oriole]

Knowing how exotic Peafowls are as birds (Male ones are gorgeous, females are somewhat bland but still gorgeous in their own right), who knows what the team could do to reconstruct said prehistoric Peafowl

[ancient ibex]

Literally birds evolving their own Anhanguerid pterosaurs

No exaggeration

[coarse inlet]

Unless they aren’t quite birds

[toxic oriole]

They say Pelagornis likely had to jump off of a cliff in order to fly or something

[silver steeple]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavo_bravardi

[toxic oriole]

Or someone said

[shell sonnet]

At that far down they are

[coarse inlet]

There are some interesting questions that need to be investigated about Pelagornithids

[silver steeple]

https://x.com/HodariNundu/status/1530262580090089475

Hodari Shadowalker ❄️🐆 (@HodariNundu)

Pavo bravardi IS a match for your kung fu :B This large prehistoric #peafowl lived in Europe during the #Pliocene and seemingly was okay with cold weather since it's been found along with fossil #ptarmigan! Whether it had an Indian or green peafowl style train is anybody's guess.

X · May 27, 2022, 7:00 PM

[ancient ibex]

They are weird, but at worst they are closer to crown-neornithes than Ichthyorns and Hesperorns

[toxic oriole]

Cold tolerant Peafowl

[coarse inlet]

I’ve seen some point to similarities with ichthyorns

But there’s been no real study of it

So it’s just an interesting question rn not anything remotely conclusive

[toxic oriole]

I take it they don't know how a male or female one would look?

[silver steeple]

Nope

[late swallow]

Put that thing back where it came from, OR SO HELP ME

[silver steeple]

Long gone before anyone would've seen one, or even left feathers behind

[ancient ibex]

The issue with pheasants in general is that they are very similar to each other skeleton wise, but are wildly variable in terms of plumage

[silver steeple]

I like Hodari's approach of a more muted coloration like modern pheasants in colder cilmates

[shell sonnet]

Doesn't look any weirder than anything we've in a goose's mouth

[toxic oriole]

Surely this peafowl could've had sexual dimorphism

[silver steeple]

Less energy to expend on coloration when you need to keep warm

[toxic oriole]

Though I shouldn't be surprised if theres no evidence for dimorphism in that one

[late swallow]

I mean tru but like that's the outside here

[silver steeple]

Birds rarely have skeletal dimorphism outside of size

[ancient ibex]

If we were to get a gamefowl, it'd be mostly the art team going wild

[silver steeple]

So it would all be in the feathers

[digital pendant]

Thats pretty tame as far as birds go (regarding the serrated beak)

[late swallow]

And it would be hype af

[tame thorn]

For Africa digs

• Spicomellus
• kentrosaurus
• suchomimus

Australia

• minmi
• australovenator
• diamantinasaurus

[shell sonnet]

Kunnabarasaurus over Minmi

[late swallow]

5/6

[tame thorn]

Minmi is way more popular in Australia

[toxic oriole]

I heard something about some Minmi material actually belonging to another animal in the area

[ancient ibex]

Kunbarrasaurus

[silver steeple]

Its a giraffatitan situation

[shell sonnet]

And was based on Kunna's remains until a decade or so ago

[silver steeple]

^

[toxic oriole]

How many Giraffatitan situations are there in the fossil record?

[shell sonnet]

Plenty

[flint sable]

many

[shell sonnet]

Probably as many as there are prime numbers

[silver steeple]

More than we probably realize

[flint sable]

Oviraptor is one of the most famous ones other than Girafftitan and Brachi

[toxic oriole]

At this rate, should we be calling it the Giraffatitan effect?

[tame thorn]

Diamantinasaurus was found with stomach contents which is pretty cool

[flint sable]

mayhasps

[shell sonnet]

I would put Troodon and Steno ahead of that one

[flint sable]

also another similar effect should be named the uhhhh

Deinocheirus Effect

where its an animal of a clade that was originally based on relatives and thought to be fairly typical for the most part

but when they actually found more of it it was way weirder than originally thought

Spicomeilus could fit in there

[ancient ibex]

Nah, Troodon is a weird-ass situation of lumping half of the Dinosaur Park into it lol

[shell sonnet]

So Iguananodon

[flint sable]

it could also definitely be the case for Therizinosaurus because its not the best in terms of remains and signifigantly larger than most therizinosaurs

[toxic oriole]

So every troodontid in dinosaur park would've been alt material for Troodon

Wow.

[flint sable]

I mean not really but kinda ig

[ancient ibex]

The issue with galliforms is that under the fancy feathers they all are this pretty much

[late swallow]

If you ask GSP, Worldwide!

[shell sonnet]

And taste differently

[toxic oriole]

New idea, Troodon is an amalgamation

An abhorent dinosaur amalgamate that should not even be possible

[ancient ibex]

Worse

[silver steeple]

Such a funny one

[toxic oriole]

THEY COULD'VE ALSO BEEN PACHYCEPHALOSAURS???

Oh no

[silver steeple]

No

[late swallow]

This Troodon is valid

[shell sonnet]

Just the teeth are very close

[late swallow]

T. wyomingensis would like a word

[toxic oriole]

Who?

[ancient ibex]

God the sheer marinade work I have to do with turkey meat so it doesn't have that weird aftertaste... meanwhile quail is just fine

[silver steeple]

Pachy teeth and NA troodontid teeth share some similarities that can make them hard to distinguish

[shell sonnet]

so people attach thought Troodon was a pachy

[late swallow]

Pachycephalosaurus wyomingensis was originally referred to Troodon

In some sort of fuckshit order

The 30s were a hell of a time

[ancient ibex]

Troodon spent 50 years as "generic Pachycephalosaur known from teeth" before Currie went "this is actually a Saurornithoidiid, so Troodontidae is now the proper name, and while we are at it Stenonychosaurus and all other similar remains are all Troodon formosus"...

[shell sonnet]

Oh it went longer than that

[ancient ibex]

Which happened not even 40 years ago

[silver steeple]

Ah Troodon

[ancient ibex]

Troodon is now a household name but it was messy, and 5 decades of literature have it linked with Pachycephalosaurs

[silver steeple]

You silly little taxonomic nightmare

[toxic oriole]

Then it entered the wastebucket realm and the spot of dubium

[ancient ibex]

Add to that the whole Stenonycho/Latenivenatrix mess that was subsequently disregarded, also all by Currie...

[late swallow]

I feel Troodon should have nom. cons. status if it ever gets unfucked

[toxic oriole]

There, it has sat.

Until recently

[ancient ibex]

That said, both the Stenonychosaur AND Saurornithoides as an alt have room in the game

[toxic oriole]

too bad some of those guys cant be exhibit animals

... Or can they?

[silver steeple]

Shouldn't be an issue

[shell sonnet]

In V-raptor can be, I fail to see why Stenony/Saurornithid can't be

[ancient ibex]

I honestly think Troodon should have gone the way of Trachodon and Deinodon back in the 80s, but alas we didn't have a Daspletosaurus situation; if Currie had the Latenivenatrix idea 30 years early Troodon would be a non issue

[late swallow]

Depends where the devs feel like throwing it tbh

[coarse inlet]

Stenonychosaurus got big

[ancient ibex]

Big enough

[toxic oriole]

Oh hello Latenivenatrix

[coarse inlet]

Assuming the synonymy with Latenivenatrix holds up

[shell sonnet]

I the devs seem choose name power over completeness; hence why we got Brachi instead Giraffitan or Ovi over Citaipi

[late swallow]

That's kinda at that spot where it's any spots game

[ancient ibex]

Currie was coauthor of a paper that lumped them; seeing he was the one who erected the taxon, it is fair to understand it won't be supported

[toxic oriole]

Hoping they add those guys in the future (Citipati and Giraffatitan)

[coarse inlet]

Probably a synonym sadly

[late swallow]

I was talking about exhibit or vivarium

[ancient ibex]

I don't think so? It is larger than taco at that point

[coarse inlet]

Yeah, it’s a shame because it’s a great name

[ancient ibex]

Hidden huntress goes hard

[coarse inlet]

And it sounds good

[toxic oriole]

Infernodrakon being a recently described and named Azdharcid pterosaur, and the fact people like its name says something

Dragon from Hell

[coarse inlet]

It’s one bone tho

[toxic oriole]

Even so, thats still a good name

[coarse inlet]

Then again so is Arambourgiania

[ancient ibex]

After Cryodracon

The good thing about Inferno is that we got telltale bones

[shell sonnet]

Interesting because you usually have an aversion to -venator taxon

[ancient ibex]

I don't?

[late swallow]

Most Azhdarchids have sick ass names

[toxic oriole]

Cryodrakon, the Cold Dragon
Infernodrakon the Hellfire Dragon (Dragon from Hell)
Fire and Ice

[late swallow]

Named after Deities

[toxic oriole]

Y'know its poetic really

Now that Infernodrakon exists, Cryodrakon has a polar opposite

... literally

in some sense

[late swallow]

About 10in longer than Compy, so it kinda is

[ancient ibex]

It is substantially bulkier

[coarse inlet]

Venatrix is cooler anyway

[silver steeple]

This is 1.75m btw

[ancient ibex]

I mean that was Dave Hone being his cheeky self hehe

[toxic oriole]

I have no idea who that is

[silver steeple]

So yeah larger than taco and at most 8in shorter in length than velo

[hollow flower]

We now need infernolophosaurus

[slim flare]

Yea that’s exaggerated

[late swallow]

Tiktaalik is thought to be up yo 2.75m

[toxic oriole]

Pyrolophosaurus

[slim flare]

They’re not nearly so big

[toxic oriole]

Y'know that is a good question

[silver steeple]

And its a fish

[toxic oriole]

Which would be better, Pyrolophosaurus or Infernolophosaurus?

[silver steeple]

So into the tank it goes

[ancient ibex]

Oon hindsight yeah, thanks

[shell sonnet]

Pyrotherium actually does exist

[toxic oriole]

Fire and Ice pack

[late swallow]

Cryoraptor

[hollow flower]

Pyro for sure

[toxic oriole]

Contains animals that involve their names having to do with Fire and Ice

[ancient ibex]

Still huge

[late swallow]

Nanuq sweep

[toxic oriole]

... Y'know what, why not

Since the azdharcids are going in anyways

[late swallow]

Are those 4x6 or 5x7 photographs

Look like 4x6

[late swallow]

0% helpful

[toxic oriole]

I would say Cryolophosaurus or Pyroraptor, but I can see Cryo coming in an Antarctica themed DLC instead, and Pyroraptor... Well...

I know Pyroraptor isnt dubious

[median relic]

https://tenor.com/view/fant4stic-say-that-again-gif-16690486418948643620

[shell sonnet]

Pyro raptor is.... eh

[ancient ibex]

S'a hand

[toxic oriole]

... Is it?

[late swallow]

It's like 3 bones

[toxic oriole]

Shame really, it would've fit right in to the Fire and Ice pack

[late swallow]

That I don't have size reference of

[shell sonnet]

Do you have hands?

[late swallow]

Loved what jwe did with it

[late swallow]

I have tiny baby hands

[silver steeple]

There's what looks to be a stegoceras head right next to it

[median relic]

evidence they were contemporaneous...?

[shell sonnet]

No...

[toxic oriole]

No idea if a Religion DLC idea would be appropriate, cause the only few I can see would be something like Diabloceratops (Demons) and Lokiceratops (God or something)

[silver steeple]

Eyeballing the skull here at like a foot and a half

[toxic oriole]

Y'know what no

Why call it a religion DLC

[median relic]

well yeah

??

[late swallow]

19cm midline

[shell sonnet]

I don't exactly get the appeal of a DLC pack focused entirely on naming. You get one really good animal and a bunch of who cares, at best.

[silver steeple]

^

[coarse inlet]

Formerly placed there but it was shown that the traits that placed them there are basal to ornithurines

[toxic oriole]

Fire and Ice just has a nice ring to it

Tbf

[shell sonnet]

You have a pack like that and people are going to think GOT at first

[silver steeple]

That was my first thought lmao

"People are gonna assume that means GoT"

[toxic oriole]

I wasn't really tryna go for Game of Thrones, rather the intent of two elements

Opposites

[shell sonnet]

Which basically means Dire wolves

[coarse inlet]

Aenocyon, Meraxes and Targaryendraco

[ancient ibex]

There is uncertainty due to how the neognath condition is the ancestral one rather than the derived one, but from what I get from a friend who works with Maastrichian birds, them being neornithes wouldn't be surprising

[toxic oriole]

Oh thats a pterosaur I've never heard about before (Targaryendraco)

Early cretaceous one for that matter

[coarse inlet]

Yeah but it’s also not impossible that they aren’t Neornithes which is really interesting

[late swallow]

I forget about the Song of series constantly lmao

[toxic oriole]

Y'know maybe it'd be pretty interesting if there was a DLC pack that essentially had animals and animals that essentially were the opposite of the former

But uhhh

What would even work for that?

[late swallow]

I do still kinda feel like Saurornithoides could go either way, but it is more likely to be exhibit

[late swallow]

How do you determine the opposite of an animal?

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, stem-neognaths seems to be the better supported placement; they are in any case derived animals and thus fall into the bird headache

[toxic oriole]

Yeah nevermind then

Not even I would know

nor anyone i guess

[shell sonnet]

I have no interest period and I think I've saved myself a few days of my life by trying to ignore

[toxic oriole]

Maybe a theme or something regarding traits

But then that'd just be redundant

Yeah nah.

[ancient ibex]

The opposite of an animal is a plant

[shell sonnet]

Look, clade works. Location works. Time period works. As DLC ideas go.

[toxic oriole]

WAIT A MINUTE YES

PLANT DLC

[shell sonnet]

Wrong, plants are also multicellular

[toxic oriole]

ITS ALL PLANTS

[ancient ibex]

Convergently

Opposites need a common ground to be opposed after all

[toxic oriole]

Now for what I know, an Ediacaran themed DLC wouldn't sell much

not to mention it is the precambrian where life was just getting started

[ancient ibex]

Biofilms ain't too interesting ngl

Visually speaking

[silver steeple]

Earliest you can reasonably go is like middle-ish cambrian I believe

Even then its all minis

[shell sonnet]

Not counting the gift shop

[toxic oriole]

Comb Jellies would definitely be mini's

Then again theys still around

And they've been around for quite a long time

[silver steeple]

I dunno if you can get any full exhibit sized animals til the devonian

[ancient ibex]

Land megafauna is Carboniferous at the earliest

[silver steeple]

Yeah

And even then most of that would be vivariums

[tame thorn]

I kind of feel like a recently extinct pack is to early as a first DLC given how many prehistoric species there are that would be amazing for pk

[ancient ibex]

And that's halfway being Ophiacodon being earliest Permian in a way it is technically Carboniferous I believe

[toxic oriole]

too early?

Come on

[shell sonnet]

You could probably get away with Anthracosaurus as a full exhibit

[toxic oriole]

The game isnt out of Early Access yet!

[tame thorn]

Exactly

[toxic oriole]

It'll take a few years before that happens from what I know

Even so, it very well could be the first DLC made for the game if it does well post-EA

[slow shoal]

iirc recently extinct is confirmed

[toxic oriole]

Yep

[silver steeple]

EA is estimated to be over in about 2 years

[shell sonnet]

Neopteroplax and Loxomma would also work for full habitat Carbon megafauna

[silver steeple]

Of course stuff happens that can speed up or slow down dev

[toxic oriole]

A TETRAPOD

[silver steeple]

So

Literally everything in the game lmfao

[toxic oriole]

right

So this is Neopteroplax?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopteroplax

Not even a Tetrapod, is it?

Oh, its a stem-tetrapod

or something

[silver steeple]

It literally says tetrapod right there

[toxic oriole]

Didn't know embolomeres were Tetrapods

[late swallow]

several layers deep

[ancient ibex]

Fishapods

[quick ore]

including fully aquatics you could have Cameroceras from the Ordovician

[silver steeple]

Ah that's true

[late swallow]

Clade: Tetrapodomorpha
Clade: Eotetrapodiformes
Clade: Elpistostegalia
Clade: Stegocephali
Order: Embolomeri

[shell sonnet]

Yeah that works

[silver steeple]

Dunno how I forgot it was so far back

My brain deleted the ordovician and silurian from memory ig

[late swallow]

reasonable

[ancient ibex]

Still, those dudes were built in a weird way; still on the upper weight range of people, but not close to the giant ammonoids and squids

[silver steeple]

Ammonite the long way

[toxic oriole]

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard something about Tusoteuthis being discontinued

Cephalopod, I think its an Octopus or something?

I can hardly remember

[late swallow]

Octopoda, yeah

[ancient ibex]

Type is fragmentary, refering stuff to it is thus messy

[toxic oriole]

That explains it

All I heard someone say was that it was discontinued

[silver steeple]

Iirc its now usually called Enchoteuthis

[ancient ibex]

Enchotheutis seems to cover the better known specimens

[late swallow]

NDGS 241 got reclassed to Enchoteuthis melanae

[shell sonnet]

Pholiderpeton/Eogyrinus also works for full habitat Carbon megafauna

[toxic oriole]

Well lets bring Enchoteuthis to the aquatic roster in the future!!!

[silver steeple]

Which I think is usually reconstructed to be more cuttlefish like now

[ancient ibex]

Squidtopus of large size

[toxic oriole]

WHY DOES IT LOOK LIKE A-

Help

get out of my mind

[silver steeple]

That's on you

[toxic oriole]

Anyways

[quick ore]

shovel?

[ancient ibex]

Like a squid pen yeah

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-jerma-sus-jerma985-the-sus-guy-suspicious-gif-25011230

live action impostor amongus

[silver steeple]

But yeah

Encho would be neat ngl

[ancient ibex]

Megatheutis could be cool for belemnite rep

[toxic oriole]

Might as well get some Nautiloids on the cephalopod list

[silver steeple]

Probably the only non-shelled mollusc we could get?

[shell sonnet]

So many good aquatics, so little space

[ancient ibex]

Still, coeloid cephalopods and lifecycles... ouch

[feral cedar]

I don’t think we’re getting any molluscs, sadly

[silver steeple]

Hey if they gotta be Vivs so be it

[ancient ibex]

Semelparity is a bitch for zoo sims

[quick ore]

I feel like if we get fully aquatic vivariums they could make a sortof mixed ammonite vivarium with an assemblage of species

would be neat

[toxic oriole]

Alright then, ANCIENT JELLYFISH.

[silver steeple]

Same for trilobites

[shell sonnet]

Touch pool

[feral cedar]

Between marine reptiles and giant fish? I don’t think aquatic invertebrates are much of a priority

[ancient ibex]

Jellyfish and anemones/coral split from each other around the cambrian explosion, and remain similar... they'd be just like what we have today

[shell sonnet]

I disagree, I think at least one sea scorpion and one large ammonite should be in the initial pack

[toxic oriole]

And the only ones that could be added would be their ancestors, huh?

[quick ore]

this is also why I want Hibbertopterus, since it is the most likely sea scorpion we could get in a vivarium

[ancient ibex]

And whales, seals, manatees and sloths

[toxic oriole]

Pulmonoscorpius, the giant scorpion or something
Arachnids like that guy wouldn't be an exhibit animal, huh?

[shell sonnet]

Land based one are in the viviariums

[feral cedar]

seals and manatees?

[quick ore]

ie, Hibber

the goat

[toxic oriole]

Okie dokie then, what other arthropods could be considered?

[shell sonnet]

But I think Pterygotus and Jaekelopterus should be full aquatics

[feral cedar]

Are there even any extinct manatees? We have extinct sirenians like sea cows, but not sure about extinct manatees

[silver steeple]

Idk if any fully aquatic sirenians aside from Steller's really make a lot of sense tbh

[shell sonnet]

I misread that

[quick ore]

also look me in the eye and tell me that it wouldn't be amazing to hear Nigel say "Hibbertopterus"

[quick ore]

HIBBERTOPTERUS 💯

[toxic oriole]

Okay so they found some uhhhh

[quick ore]

Pezosiren/Prorastomus pls

[toxic oriole]

Pleistocene manatee bones in texas

or something

So theres evidence of ancient manatees

[silver steeple]

That's just modern manatees

[toxic oriole]

oh

[silver steeple]

They used to have a larger range

[quick ore]

they are from Africa after all

[shell sonnet]

Anomotherium

[quick ore]

so they have the ability to spread quite far

[silver steeple]

Yup

[quick ore]

they even got to the Caribbean before being fully aquatic

[silver steeple]

Manatees have been all over the mid atlantic

[toxic oriole]

Well theres the ancestor of manatees

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pezosiren#:~:text=Article,3 See also

Could this help?

[quick ore]

I literally

[toxic oriole]

or work?

[quick ore]

just mentioned it

yes it absolutely could work

[shell sonnet]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miosiren

[quick ore]

that is why Pezosiren/Prorastomus would be great additions

because also there is a low chance of any Caribbean species getting added

[toxic oriole]

Hey seeing the Ancestor of Manatees is one thing, but when you put alongside the ancestors of a few other marine animals like Whales and Seals (alongside Walruses and cousins), I'd say thats a good pack

Land-based ancestral mammals

That eventually became aquatic animals we know today

[quick ore]

I don't think seal ancestors would be that interesting of an inclusion

like

that would basically just be an otter

[shell sonnet]

We have just a bear and just a lion and just a deer

[silver steeple]

Idk otters are cool

[toxic oriole]

Could easily call the pack "Return to The Sea's"

Considering uhhh...

Well...

Those animals had evolved back into aquatic animals overtime

Quite literally a return to the seas

[quick ore]

yes

they would be

but I don't think there are any standout land living seals that would be cool additions

unless maybe like

Kolponomos?

[quick ore]

not my point

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[slow shoal]

i think an extinct seal would be neat

allodesmus is the one that comes to mind first

[quick ore]

yes those would be

I am not opposed to extinct seals

that wasn't what was being discussed though

[toxic oriole]

Isnt that one of the seals that Co-Existed with Megalodon and Livyatan or something?

[silver steeple]

Pontolis is a funny critter

Good ol' not quite walrus

[quick ore]

I would like Archaeodobenus

[slow shoal]

pisco reps are always welcome ngl

[silver steeple]

Spheniscus megarhampus my beloved

Man if we get aquatics, Pisco has the potential to be up there with like Lujan, La Brea, HC, Tokod, and Morrison

[toxic oriole]

What is Pisco?

[silver steeple]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pisco_Formation

[toxic oriole]

Ah I see

Semi-aquatic ground sloth being there

Humboldt Penguin fossils

And of course, Megalodon and Livyatan

... PELAGORNIS too huh?

[silver steeple]

The silly beast

[silver steeple]

One of the last fully marine crocs too

Piscogavialis

[toxic oriole]

In other words, fully aquatic archosaurs

or something

[silver steeple]

Not fully aquatic mind you

But it spent almost all of its time in the ocean specifically

Not like salties today where its a tolerance thing

[flint sable]

ye

iirc the last one was the Woodlark Gavialid

which is

scrappy

to say the least

[coarse inlet]

Kelenken lookin ass

[late swallow]

Looks like someone made a Pinguinus and a Kelenken have kids

[coarse inlet]

I was thinking African penguin

[silver steeple]

You'd be pretty close given both are species within Spheniscus

[coarse inlet]

But yeah Pisco is a must-have if we get aquatics, only really behind Niobrara, Blue Lias, and the chinese triassic stuff like Zhuganpo and Xiaowa

Guanling would probably be the best of those actually

[silver steeple]

Immense lad

[steep carbon]

if those guys were still around id be on a watchlist

[coarse inlet]

damn

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/bluetherapyuk-chioma-paul-doyouthinkthatsnecessary-btuk-gif-22383083

Anyway

[silver steeple]

It's second only to Niobrara tbh

If for nothing else, Megalodon

Well maybe 3rd

Jurassic Coast is pretty iconic

[flint sable]

love me some molluscs

gotta be one of my favorite invertebrate clades

[silver steeple]

Megalodon as a living decor piece when

[flint sable]

yknow that would actually be a really funny and relatively low cost april fools update

literally in the patchnotes just

-added megalodon

[short rover]

https://tenor.com/view/shark-magic-shark-missouri-missouri-shark-woods-gif-16373569796205420990

[flint sable]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[silver steeple]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalodon_(bivalve)

[coarse inlet]

yeah I'd say that is more important. But Triassic stuff is just SO good

[short rover]

LOL

[ancient ibex]

Rudist reef "paleobotany" for marine stuff would be neat ngl

[silver steeple]

Absolutely

Rudist reefs are like genuinely one of the most interesting things about the Mesozoic oceans ngl

[short rover]

Rudist reefs and crinoid rafts

[silver steeple]

Mhm

I could see crinoid rafts be like an enrichment item tbh

[coarse inlet]

werent there sponge reefs too?

ooooo this is a really cool pic of reef builders over time

[quick ore]

shipworms were a mistake I miss crinoid rafts

[silver steeple]

God the crescent shaped rudists are so cool

[coarse inlet]

oh is that why there was enough driftwood for that to be possible?

I always wondered about that

[silver steeple]

That's the leading idea yeah

[quick ore]

ye

[magic grotto]

Aquariums are going to be so freaking cool if they ever get added 😍

[quick ore]

it lines up with when shipworms evolved

[deep crest]

Will these creatures that appeared in Prehistoric Park appear (here/again)?

[silver steeple]

Its certainly possible

[sharp dock]

I can see meganeura

[cinder python]

I want a small DLC for just species with Rex in the name

[hollow flower]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-bird-злая-птица-gif-11035121084204696939

[shell sonnet]

If they do, they're probably post-EA additions

[left spear]

All 3 of those can easily be vivs

Arthro itself could work as a exhibit with a bit of work

[sharp dock]

haha yeah.... easily

[shell sonnet]

I doubt it would be anything but a vivarium animal

[left spear]

Meganeura would be simple wings aside, dragonflies don't really move that much so no reason to think griffinflies would, same with Pulmo, with arthro just don't animate the legs, it's not like you could see them

[steep tulip]

You could technically be able to procedurally animate it inside a software, the bake the animation and import it ingame

So you don't have to animate every leg

Actually idk if its called procedural animation in that case
More like math based animation

Where it follows curves and stuff

[late swallow]

When you say 'dragonflies don't really move that much' I assume you mean the body parts

[left spear]

Yeah

[steep tulip]

They also don't walk

They only fly

[left spear]

Like the body is very rigid and they don't walk, i don't think they move their tails in any way that would make sense for a viv

(breeding)

So it's really only the wings and some front claw movements

[late swallow]

They go nyoom

[steep tulip]

They actually might use it already for habitat animals, tho idk about their animation process

[outer moth]

Medieval knight: “By jove! I am in dire need of a fine pair of weapons!”
The mighty sword and shield:

[desert flame]

I think it was said that animating Arthropleura would be difficult due to the game's system. However, sculptures appear in the game, so I hope they'll be added in the future.

[silver steeple]

Animals already do that

Inverse Kinematics

But they still need to be animated for it to work

[toxic oriole]

I would suggest Joaquinraptor casali, but it JUST got described today and such, so I'll hold off on that till a few weeks time

maybe months

hell if I know

[silver steeple]

Not really a point tbh

Megaraptor is already at that size, and better known in both material and name

[coarse inlet]

Yeah this just makes me want Megaraptor or Maip more

[silver steeple]

The most you get out of Joaquin is maybe a different environment preference

[toxic oriole]

Plus the fact it had a crocodylomorph leg with it

Which I nicknamed said crocodylomorph as fred

[coarse inlet]

And more pieces of the (sub)adult skull

[silver steeple]

That effects literally nothing in gameplay

[toxic oriole]

Who said anything about gameplay?

[silver steeple]

It's a cool fact

But that's it

[toxic oriole]

I aint focused on the gameplay aspect of that part

[silver steeple]

You said it like that's meant to be an argument for inclusion

[toxic oriole]

Just the cool stuff

I don't really know how else to put it, tbf

[coarse inlet]

What this find does is make it more reasonable to reconstruct Maip based on Megaraptor imo

[silver steeple]

It always was tbh

[toxic oriole]

Still a neat find though, can't you agree on that?

[silver steeple]

Sure

[coarse inlet]

Yeah but with such fragmentary remains I’m always cautious

[coarse inlet]

Oh for sure