Community Species Suggestions

[quick ore]

good list otherwise?

[slim flare]

The Chinese gharial Hanyusuchus

[silver steeple]

Don't quite understand why that would rely on deinosuchus tho

[quick ore]

im glad I was able to include all diets and add a species from Hawaii

[plush nacelle]

Deinosuchus would provide rig

And animations

[slim flare]

Because Deinosuchus proves they’re doing true semiaquatics

[silver steeple]

Yeah I'd say so

[slim flare]

Presumably with diving

[silver steeple]

Wdym "true" semi-aquatics

[slim flare]

If Spino walks and swims around like a duck, few will be too upset.

People expect more from a crocodilian

[silver steeple]

I really wanted to do a hawaiian species with that big list of minis I did but tbh none of them quite fit over what I thought were better picks

[silver steeple]

I'm perfectly content with a croc just surface swimming tbh

That's most of what they do

[slim flare]

As long as they at least ambush

[quick ore]

it's unfortunate that elephant birds and moas feel like such mandatory inclusions because if I could I would substitute the elephant bird with a more distinct species

like a moa nalo

[slim flare]

I mean they are pretty distinct from one another

[silver steeple]

They are

[quick ore]

yes but they are also both giant flightless ratites is what I mean

[slim flare]

Posture, elephant birds have wings, tropical vs temperate habitat, so on

[silver steeple]

But its just a thing of elephant birds and moa being insanely iconic

[late swallow]

fuckin hell this is hard

[plush nacelle]

Croc not being able to dive sounds a bit problematic from hunting perspective

[slim flare]

I haven’t seen Sylviornis mentioned

[quick ore]

imagine if mother Deinosuchus had an animation where they let their hatchlings ride inside their mouths

[silver steeple]

Sylvornis is a great pick, just other stuff is better lol

[slim flare]

Possibly the last Gastornithiform…

[silver steeple]

There's like 5 birds in that size range that are perfect

And the Dodo takes the cake above all others

[quick ore]

truly the options for the RE dlc are stacked

[silver steeple]

Unfortunately

If I shed a tear for every good RE pick, I'd be a mummy

[slim flare]

Not a daddy?

[late swallow]

too many Vivarium option, not enough full options

[quick ore]

I just hope whichever species the devs eventually decide will be a good mix of decent pics

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/james-may-gun-top-gear-gif-2891052999326662157

[quick ore]

hrmmm I would disagree

[slim flare]

Sorry ol’ bloke

[silver steeple]

What ever it is, they gonna cook

[quick ore]

there are plenty of exhibit options

[silver steeple]

Lots of both

[late swallow]

i'm just struggling to find ones i'd be interested in

[quick ore]

you could literally make an entire dlc using just Holocene madagascar

[silver steeple]

Given I was able to make an ok set of 15 minis within the last 2ky says a lot

Could easily do the same with exhibits tbh

[quick ore]

it's so fucking sad how recently so many of these went extinct

I doubt people even realize how recent Malagasy megafauna died out

[silver steeple]

Yeah most people probably assume them to be like older than the pyramids or smth

But no

[quick ore]

yeah not at all

[silver steeple]

These things were on earth more recently than Jesus lmfao

[quick ore]

there's even evidence that a handful may still be extant in certain places, or at least were still extant in the 20th century

like

so many of them went extinct so recently they literally have indigenous names

[slim flare]

I mean it was only a couple hundred years

[quick ore]

Hopefully we get a good number of species for the dlc, and knowing how many slots each dlc would have is good

only 4 exhibit slots would be tragic yet understandable

[silver steeple]

I think 10 is a good bet for RE

Anything else, who knows

[quick ore]

I'm hoping for at least 6/7 exhibit animals

[slim flare]

Anything to get more Cenozoic fauna

[silver steeple]

True...

[plush nacelle]

Mau would feed our containment channel for years, if he told us something about species number in DLCs

[silver steeple]

Probably just depends on the dlc ngl

[quick ore]

or if we got more info on how the inclusion of alts works

[slim flare]

I feel the DLC will take a full year

[hollow flower]

how many?

[slim flare]

10ish species, probably a new map or two (Tasmania and South Africa if I had to guess), and a new set of decorations if not a style.

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-disappointed-fan-seriously-what-are-you-doing-judging-you-gif-17485289

[quick ore]

yes that was on purpose

[slim flare]

Maybe some new plants? That dodo tree?

[quick ore]

malagasy plants 💯

[silver steeple]

I was thinking about that while doing some research for the minis

Imagine if we got RE plants?

[slim flare]

Oh huh

There’s few and many are contested

[silver steeple]

There aren't many yeah

But there are some

[slim flare]

The difference between “critically endangered tree” and “mutant individual” can be slim.

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[slim flare]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betula_uber

American chestnut is a MUST tho

[quick ore]

they should add recently extinct brands like Borders books

[plush nacelle]

Didnt someone pay for it already?

[silver steeple]

Lmfao

[slim flare]

Radio Shack prefab…

[quick ore]

Blockbuster

[late swallow]

aight, i'm fried on it:

*Possibly also Insectivorous and Piscivorous, based on C. ferox.

dealer's choice on the Cylindraspis species, i couldn't pick one

[slim flare]

Giant fossa is heavily contested… but I guess we’re getting subspecies anyway so 🤷‍♀️

[silver steeple]

Funky list

[plush nacelle]

I remember someone chosing american chestnut

[slim flare]

Wtf is a short-horned water buffalo

[quick ore]

hey wtf Borders is still extant in the middle east?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borders_(retailer)

[silver steeple]

Anyway I should actually make my list now that I think of it

[quick ore]

it's just locally extinct

[slim flare]

Extirpated

Sucks we can’t show love for the Rocky Mountain locust

[silver steeple]

Yeah its too small unfortunately

Unless we get some kind of "micro vivarium"

[late swallow]

Diornis robustus was also a consideration

[quick ore]

adds them as a candy for food stands like those candies with scorpions inside them

[slim flare]

Adzebill…

My list would probably be:
Giant elephant bird (herbivore)
Giant moa + any other (herbivore)
Dodo (melonivore)
Great auk (piscivore) (vivarium)
Passenger pigeon (frugivore) (vivarium)
Carolina parakeet (frugivore) (vivarium)
Aurochs + subspecies (herbivore)
Quagga + wild horse (herbivore)
Bluebuck (herbivore)
Thylacine (carnivore)

[plush nacelle]

First person to actually put auk in vivarium

[slim flare]

I’d prefer it be exhibit but like

[late swallow]

yeah fucker's tiny

[slim flare]

I mean he’s not but compared to exhibit species, it’d easily be the smallest

[plush nacelle]

Great auk size will be always confusing to me, because when I look at dead specimens in museum these are smaller than what usually charts like this show

[slim flare]

Warrah would be my 11th pick with mainland population alt

After that, probably Sylviornis or a non-avian reptile for 12th.

[quick ore]

I disagree on the carolina parakeet and Bluebuck but besides that it looks cool

also neat that you included aurochs subspecies

reminds me how we domesticated aurochs multiple times (at least twice) because of Zebu being from Aurochs living on the indian subcontinent

[silver steeple]

1. Quagga w/ Horse alt (already happening) (herbi)
2. Aurochs (herbi)
3. Dodo (frugi)
4. Moa (North and South Island Dinornis) (herbi)
5. Great Auk (pisci)
6. Thylacine (carni)
7. Hanyusuchus (pisci)
8. Saddle-Backed/Domed Mauritius Giant Tortoise (herbi)
9. Passenger Pigeon (vivi, frugi)
10. Gigarcanum (vivi, insectivore)

[late swallow]

great choices

most very safe, but good

[silver steeple]

I think those would probably function perfectly fine as skins instead of different animals but yeah it would be nice to get all 3 represented

[quick ore]

I'll be honest, I feel like Gigarcanum is a bit too fragmentary for my taste. Like yes, we have a skin, but we don't have many bones along with it and we aren't sure how inaccurate said skin is to the living thing

[late swallow]

treat them like we have the different localities of Mammuthus primigenius

[silver steeple]

I purposefully tried to avoid places like Madagascar and New Caledonia/NZ which could have dlcs dedicated to themselves

[silver steeple]

Exactly

[quick ore]

hey wait didn't yoy say before that Aepyornis was necessary

[silver steeple]

Make them a little more distinct visually but same idea

[quick ore]

oh nvm

[silver steeple]

Lol

[quick ore]

gotcha

[late swallow]

but the Mascarene tortoises are a must full stop

[slim flare]

Why?

[quick ore]

yeah I mean I would do that too if I could be certain said dlc's could happen

[slim flare]

I think the Carolina parakeet adds some nice colors

[silver steeple]

If I wasn't doing that I'd switch out Hanyusuchus for Aepyornis

[quick ore]

but the list I made doesn't presuppose that said species would have another chance to come later

[silver steeple]

Also yeah what's wrong with Carolina Parakeet

[quick ore]

true but I do think more variety with location is good and while both birds are unique in their own right they are also both from NA

if I was going to add any one parrot it would be the Broad Billed Parrot

[slim flare]

Eh

[silver steeple]

That's like half the reason both are kinda iconic

Mainland small bird extinctions aren't a common occurence

[slim flare]

My list hits every continent except Antartica

[quick ore]

I am not Against adding it like I wouldn't be angry at its inclusion but personally I would want the vivarium species to show the diversity of places that would otherwise not get any representatives

[slim flare]

Oh wait I guess not really South America besides wild horse

[quick ore]

which is why I chose the mole duck

[silver steeple]

I wanted to do mole duck

But I'm a sucker for gigarcanum

[quick ore]

like another bird I thought of adding was Xenicibis the Jamaican Ibis

it was a cool bird

had club wings and was flightless

[silver steeple]

Kiwi convergent duck

[slim flare]

Such a goated genus name

[late swallow]

i was about 🤏 this close to the Rodrigues solitaire

[quick ore]

no way

[late swallow]

fuckin real

[quick ore]

why didn't you catch it?

you would be famous for rediscovering it

[quick ore]

I love when genus names are cool

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/jacksepticeye-lovrothecoolest-laugh-jacksepticeyelaugh-gif-19786321

[quick ore]

like Asteriornis

[silver steeple]

Its hilarious that it literally translates to "Big Mystery"

[quick ore]

y'all know about how cool of a name Asteriornis is right

[silver steeple]

Also ftr, this is basically the same size as the dodo

[quick ore]

The genus name, Asteriornis, was constructed from ornis, the Greek word for bird,[12] and from Asteria, a Greek goddess who was associated with falling stars, and about whom there is a famous myth in which she transforms herself into a quail. The Asteri part of genus name thus alludes to the Chicxulub impactor (a "falling star"), and also alludes to quails which are members of the galloanserans. The species name A. maastrichtensis is named after the Maastricht Formation.[1]

[silver steeple]

Neat

[plush nacelle]

Dodo is built like a truck compared to auk

[silver steeple]

Ok

And?

[plush nacelle]

You said this is basically the same size as dodo

[silver steeple]

Because in height they are

Which is what a ground bird should be measured by

"build" doesn't matter here

[plush nacelle]

Makes more sense for long legged species

[silver steeple]

That's a ridiculous distinction lmao

[neat iris]

Great picks! I would also add Steller’s sea cow if the game does well enough to introduce aquariums

[silver steeple]

This prompt was specifically avoiding that

No free flying or free swimming animals

[hollow furnace]

although you could probably have stellar's sea cow work even without complex swimming

just bobbing at the surface

[silver steeple]

Lmao

[quick ore]

unfortunately even if the game does well enough to include aquatics, they wouldn't come in the RE dlc pack since it is the first dlc pack

so it's a bit of a catch 22

imagine people getting mad if the devs mistakenly allow the steller's sea cow to dive

[silver steeple]

Idk if I entirely believe that Sea Cows were entirely unable to dive tbh

Probably just habitually didn't

Being naturally bouyant doesn't mean something is unable to dive entirely

Not being able to dive just like limits your ability to eat by an insane amount

Far more than would be reasonable for an animal as large as an elephant

[steep tulip]

imo its not as big of a problem since molecular analysis seems to be pointing to leeches being their closest living relatives, so they probably werent that much different
or at least we do have some idea on how to reconstruct it

[idle hearth]

My Vivarium Wishlist for Prehistoric Kingdom Update 16 & future DLCs (after Early Access):

       **Terrestrial**

Leptictidium
Pulmonoscorpius
Peltephilus
Diictodon
Hyperodapedon
Arthropleura
Thrinaxodon (for U16)
Heterodontosaurus (for U16)
Mononykus (for U16)
Dodo
Titanomyrma
Platyhystrix

       **Semi-Aquatic to Aquatic**

Didelphodon
Castorocauda (for U16)
Diplocaulus
Megarachne
Pteraspis
Paradoxides (trilobite)
Sphenodiscus (ammonite)
Ichthyostega
Halszkaraptor
Great auk
Beelzebufo
Anomalocaris
Megalograptus
Hesperornis
Siamogale melilutra &/or Enhydriodon

       **Arboreal**

Pterodactylus
Sharovipteryx
Coelurosauravus
Drepanosaurus (for U16)
Darwinius
Volaticotherium
Passenger pigeon
Anurognathus
Dimorphodon
Rhamphorhynchus
Ichthyornis
Alphadon
Purgatorius

[neat iris]

Well then maybe aquariums in general could be a dlc (kinda weird, I know) and the sea cow could be introduced that way

[silver steeple]

I wouldn't be upset with Sea Cows being part of a general aquatics dlc

[neat iris]

Nice, but I can’t see dodos and auks being vivarium animals

[silver steeple]

Iirc the intention is that the aquarium/aerial systems would be part of the base game with a small handful of species coming with that for free, and release a dlc alongside that with a bunch of different animals

[late swallow]

good list, but Mononykus and Drepanosaurus can't both come in u16

[silver steeple]

Well they said "and beyond"

[plush nacelle]

You mean PK drepano cant be piscivorous hunter?

[late swallow]

yeah, but those two are noted as for u16

[silver steeple]

Ah

I had missed that

[late swallow]

all good

[plush nacelle]

With yi taking frugivore spot there always can be little surprise with diets

[silver steeple]

I mean idk what else you really could use for either of those

There's not really any other option

[late swallow]

Drepanosaurus' claw is clearly insectivorous adaptation

[silver steeple]

Well that and the skull

[steep tulip]

carnivorous mononykus clearly

[plush nacelle]

Carnivorous drepano somehow makes more sense to me than arboreal lizard being basic lizard

[steep tulip]

its possible that they fucked up the diet
not likely but Im out of ideas for the lizard

[plush nacelle]

There is also suminia I guess, if there is surprise

[silver steeple]

That's way out of the scope of lizard tbh

[plush nacelle]

I just like this small theory on drepanosaurus hunting like tree boa, which makes little sense, but is funny

[late swallow]

Other Drepanosauromorphs could come

[silver steeple]

Even if the "arboreal lizard" is not a true lizard, its certainly a reptile at least

[late swallow]

Megalancosaurus in particular comes to mind

[silver steeple]

Dunno what the purpose in that over Drepanosaurus proper would be

[plush nacelle]

Mau just lied and there is no lizard 🗿

[steep tulip]

its suminia but to throw us off mau said its a lizard

[faint oak]

There is an oral traditional Australian record of a mountain being formed 37000 years ago

Which is very cool

And testable cause they say the mountain was formed by volcanic activity and the specific mountain dates to 37000 years ago through science dohickies

[silver steeple]

Probably zircon dating

Iirc that's the most common and reliable in igneous rocks

[faint oak]

I think it can be done

[silver steeple]

Not without serious sacrifices on one or both

[faint oak]

Shrunken head and bigger wings

It’s a tough one but I’d say not impossible

[silver steeple]

We just don't really see anything that drastic in anything rn

[plush nacelle]

True. Hard to describe suminia without instantly giving it away

[silver steeple]

Just call it a funky synapsid

As Mau literally did for the dinosaurs

[faint oak]

Baby Rex and adult Rex

[plush nacelle]

Would be funny, if his hint was just funky this or that

Funky mammal, funky dinos, funky synapsid and funky triassic animal

[silver steeple]

Ontogeny doesn't matter when the animals are the same size

[faint oak]

It does though lol

[silver steeple]

Even that I'd argue is less distinct

[faint oak]

You could hypothetically with the tools in game right now make a baby Rex the size of an adult with some simple modifications

[silver steeple]

Ok and

[faint oak]

Main differences really are the limbs and the head size

Which can be rectified with ontogeny fuckery

[silver steeple]

That doesn't make the proportional differences in the Solitaire and Dodo any less distinct

[faint oak]

They def have their differences

But more accurate reconstructions look more similar to eachother

IMO

[silver steeple]

Disagree

[silver steeple]

Even here you can see it

The chest is way deeper on the dodo

The head is legit a different shape

[faint oak]

Both could be modified by the alt system

[silver steeple]

Not to that degree

[faint oak]

Using ontogeny stuff

[late swallow]

you're proving Boi's point with that image

[faint oak]

The differences really aren’t that stark

[silver steeple]

The most we see change between alt heads are things like horns and crests

Not the entire shape

[faint oak]

Out of what we have so far

[silver steeple]

Even with ontogeny its not that crazy

What we have so far is all we have to go off of

[faint oak]

It’s just shrunken down with some extra feathers

Slightly shorter

[silver steeple]

It really isn't tho

They also seem to have different postures, which isn't something we see in alts

[faint oak]

The main differences are

Slimmer legs
Smaller head
Shorter head
Feathering
Head crest

[faint oak]

They look pretty similar in the comparison above

[silver steeple]

I am literally looking at the image in question when I made the comment

The Solitaire clearly is more erect

[faint oak]

The necks both point out at the same angle

[silver steeple]

Not by a lot but more than I expect to be reasonable

[silver steeple]

Not what I'm talking about

Look at their backs

[faint oak]

I think that’s just a consequence of the underlying anatomy

The rest of the body is in the same pose

[silver steeple]

Also just saying "smaller head" is a little misleading

Its easily over a 50% difference

[faint oak]

Still in the range possible in the ontogeny system

[silver steeple]

That's not even mentioning the shape

[faint oak]

It’s just shorter/taller

[silver steeple]

It ain't tho

[faint oak]

But it is

[silver steeple]

Its not as if its just "dodo but mini"

Its a different shape lmao

[faint oak]

You can squash and stretch a dodo into that just like you can do for a baby Rex into an adult is my point

[silver steeple]

I disagree

[faint oak]

Fair

[coarse inlet]

Pitch for a non dinosaur reptile DLC

• Postosuchus kirkpatricki (Carnivore, Coastal/Desert)
• Desmatosuchus spurensis (Herbivore, Coastal/Desert)
• Varanus priscus (Carnivore, Tropical/Scrubland/Desert)
• Meiolania platyceps (Herbivore, Tropical/Scrubland)
• Stupendemys geographicus (Piscivore, Tropical/Wetland)
• Sebecus icaeorhinus (Carnivore, Tropical/Wetland)
• Scutosaurus karpinskii (Herbivore, Desert/Scrubland)
• Teleocrater rhadinus (Insectivore, unsure about biomes)
• Titanoboa cerrejonensis (Semiaquatic, Piscivore, Tropical/Wetland)
• Drepanosaurus unguicaudatus (Arboreal, Coastal, Wetland)

[silver steeple]

So this actually made me curious on what baby dodos looked like, taking a look at a firsthand account on wikipedia and modern pigeons, it seems like they'd probably have had long thick bills from a very young age

Larger and thicker than what you'd probably see in a Solitaire

[faint oak]

Truee

[silver steeple]

Although this supposed account needs to be taken with some salt

[faint oak]

Baby^2

[silver steeple]

I think baby pigeons provide a good idea of what to expect regardless

[faint oak]

Mhm

[silver steeple]

Which afaik, they have no drastic ontogenetic shifts in size or structure

[hollow furnace]

I mean, makes sense considering dodos are somewhat neotonic

[silver steeple]

Yeah

[faint oak]

if anything that makes solitaire alt better because you can just make it be an “adult” dodo

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/nba-gif-15687325833433865178

[median relic]

sebecus is kind of a weird choice over barinasuchus or langstonia

[median relic]

also a planocraniid would be cool I want boverisuchus

[shell sonnet]

This is a mostly good list but Chendytes died out more than 2,000 years ago. Replace with an amphibian like the Golden Toad or the Yunnan Lake Newt if the former is too small.

[silver steeple]

Yeah I didn't realize that until long after I made the list

The wiki page for it has a different listed date than the list I was using for reference and I didn't notice it until a couple hours ago

[silver steeple]

How large is the newt?

[shell sonnet]

Half a foot

[silver steeple]

That's probably fine then

[shell sonnet]

it's not that much smaller than the pigeon

[silver steeple]

Adds good variety

I think 6in long is a good cutoff

[shell sonnet]

Still think the toad is too iconic not bring up in some way or the other

[silver steeple]

Yeah I really wanted to do either it or gastric brooding frogs

But both are just too small unfortunately

[shell sonnet]

It's kind of sad actually, I think the toad was the last extinction I can remember being made a big deal, at least in retrospect (Ivory-headed woodpecker is iconic as well but honestly, more so as a cryptid)

[silver steeple]

Yeah I don't remember anything more recent

[coarse inlet]

The baiji was a big deal wasn’t it?

[silver steeple]

Idk I don't remember seeing nearly as much about it

Technically the Baiji isn't even officially extinct according to the IUCN

[coarse inlet]

It felt like a huge deal for me

I remember it being everywhere

[silver steeple]

Here's why

Golden Toads were made a huge deal out of because of their role in demonstrating the global decline of amphibian species

[coarse inlet]

I really want more Nemegt species because the flora and environment is amazing and we only have 3 animals to put in it

[silver steeple]

Obviously Theri, but what else?

[coarse inlet]

an ankylosaur, Saurolophus, and an oviraptorosaur

[silver steeple]

Genuine question cause my brain is blanking on others lol

[coarse inlet]

Nemegtosaurus could be nice but idk if it’s distinct enough

[silver steeple]

Saurolophus could be neat with both the asian and NA species

[coarse inlet]

Yea

Oh and Homalocephale or Prenocephale

[silver steeple]

Yeah immediately after my message I realized those lol

[quick ore]

which formation is Mononykus from?

[silver steeple]

Nemegt

[quick ore]

so that too

[coarse inlet]

In terms of oviraptorosaurs, Elmisaurus, Rinchenia, or Avimimus could be good

[quick ore]

I hope we get more material of Gigantoraptor some day, I feel like it was probably a lot more unique in appearance than most recons show it as

[coarse inlet]

Definitely

[quick ore]

like it sorta is in the place that Deinocheirus was 20 or so years ago

[coarse inlet]

Especially since most of them use Oviraptorids as reference for some reason

[silver steeple]

Oksoko is a silly animal

Why is it built like that

[coarse inlet]

It’s not THAT bad

[quick ore]

oh I legit didn't know we had that much of it

[coarse inlet]

Mainly the neck and head are the issue

Hmm reading up on it the legs are apparently built for cursoriality

[silver steeple]

Makes sense

Big legs for getting around the desert searching for food quickly

[coarse inlet]

Geez those foot claws are no joke either

[toxic oriole]

Gigantoraptor, huh?

[silver steeple]

Gotta fend off the little tyrants somehow

[coarse inlet]

What’s Alectrosaurus gonna do to one of these things?

[silver steeple]

Nothing if the alectrosaurus gets punted

[toxic oriole]

I hear its debated on how many claws Alectrosaurus has, or maybe it WAS

[late swallow]

what is it doing with its neck

[toxic oriole]

I'm not sure, not caught up on that guy

[late swallow]

that doesn't look comfortable

[silver steeple]

Birt

[coarse inlet]

Idk this is just the Wikipedia picture

[silver steeple]

Genuinely tho, I could see Alectro, especially if they worked in packs or something, taking down a gigantoraptor

Probably only young, elderly, or sick as per usual though

Alectro is the perfect height to grab onto Giganto's thigh and not let go

[quick ore]

maybe one day we can find a baby Gigantoraptor

or maybe we already have and mistakenly assigned it to its own species

[toxic oriole]

Why a baby Gigantoraptor? cant any small Oviraptorosaur give enough of a clue?

[hollow furnace]

no bitches lizard

[quick ore]

I mean for learning more about the species itself

[coarse inlet]

We’ve found embryos of similarly sized relatives

[silver steeple]

Lmfao

[quick ore]

Gigantoraptor feels even more fit than T. rex and Spinosaurus as being cast as the "protective father" giant theropod, since iirc the Oviraptor guarding its eggs may have been a male right?

[coarse inlet]

I think so

We need the Miocene so badly tbh

[silver steeple]

Yeah......

[coarse inlet]

Not enough grassland species which actually would live alongside grass

[silver steeple]

Atm I think its literally Sino, and the cats

[coarse inlet]

Though I have learned that there was grass in the Nemegt

[silver steeple]

Grass is pretty old in some forms

[coarse inlet]

Reed grass mainly

[flint sable]

I mean if you think about it, the mammoth steppe is 100% a grassland

[silver steeple]

But most of those are fairly basal grasses

[silver steeple]

Not in the game

[flint sable]

actually fair point

the grassland ingame pretty much just refers to uhhhhhh

tropical grassland right

but theres also brushes for boreal grassland and temperate grasslands but they arent their own biomes per se

[coarse inlet]

Or warmer temperate ones

[silver steeple]

Temperate-tropical yeah

[coarse inlet]

I use the boreal grass brush for Californian grasslands w the La Brea species

[flint sable]

then yeah probably just Simotherium, both of the Smilodon, and Panthera atrox for the most part

also iirc apparently there were very primitive grassland ecosystems that appeared in the maastrichtian

that actually contained grass as like

ground cover

[silver steeple]

Yeah

[flint sable]

rather than just reeds and stuff

[silver steeple]

Pretty sparse tho

[flint sable]

they were just not common at all

kinda like how nowadays theres basically no fern prairies and only in isolated pockets

basically role reversal

[silver steeple]

Yeah

[coarse inlet]

Wait really? Where?

[silver steeple]

South America iirc

[quick ore]

Granastrapotherium 💯

[silver steeple]

Any astrapothere would be so cool

[flint sable]

honestly im at the stage where literally any new mammal will be peak

literally new anything actually

but preferabley mammals

but still

[coarse inlet]

i'm gonna be hyped for anything that's not a ceratopsid ngl

[flint sable]

because PK devs always cook

[coarse inlet]

absolutely

[coarse inlet]

I think smaller animals are very underrepresented in the game rn despite feeling key to a zoo that feels full, so here's my wishlist of non-vivarium dinosaur species that are 400 lbs or less:
Hypsilophodon foxii (Herbivore, Wetland/Scrubland/Grassland)
Ornitholestes hermanni (Carnivore, Grassland/Scrubland/Coastal)
Stenonychosaurus inequalis (Insectivore, Temperate/Wetland/Coastal)
Saurornithoides mongoliensis (Insectivore, Desert/Scrubland/Grassland)
Leptoceratops gracilis (Herbivore, Wetland/Coastal/Temperate/Tropical)
Homalocephale (Frugivore, Wetland/Coastal/Scrubland/Temperate)
Pelecanimimus polyodon (Piscivore, Wetland/Scrubland)
Stegouros elengassen (Herbivore, Coastal/Temperate)
Eoraptor lunensis (Insectivore, Coastal/Scrubland)
Shri rapax (Carnivore, Desert/Scrubland/Grassland)
Dilong paradoxus (Carnivore, Temperate/Coastal)
Guanlong wucaii (Carnivore, Tropical/Coastal)
Limusaurus inextricabilis (Herbivore, Tropical/Coastal)
Masiakasaurus knopfleri (Piscivore, Scrubland/Desert/Grassland)
Avimimus portentosus (Frugivore, Wetland/Coastal/Temperate/Scrubland)
Silesaurus opolensis (Insectivore, Scrubland/Wetland)
Zuniceratops christopheri (Herbivore, Tropical/Coastal)
Falcarius utahensis (Insectivore, Tropical/Coastal/Wetland)

[toxic oriole]

Stenonychosaurus has alt potential for another animal tbf

To reiterate, has a potential ALT

Though it might end up the other way around if things turn out strangely

Who knows

[coarse inlet]

Yeah that's why I included Saurornithoides

[silver steeple]

Why shri? We already have velo as a small desert dromie

[coarse inlet]

because it's very different in appearance and I like it

[shell sonnet]

Plus that particular species is from Djadochta

[coarse inlet]

yeah

gives the formation more stuff

[silver steeple]

Idk if Djadotcha really needs all that much more

[shell sonnet]

Yes, but in general, I think we're fine if we don't get two animals occupying the same niche in the same locale (yes, I'm aware we have Para and Lambe)

Also you left out Deinonychus

[shell sonnet]

Pinacosaurus

[silver steeple]

Of course I also can't find a good faunal list

Pinaco and Udano are the two I've been able to find

[coarse inlet]

I thought it was kind of a given lol

[shell sonnet]

Nothing is certain or given

[coarse inlet]

I didnt even think to include it becasue I just assumed everyone knows it should be in

[silver steeple]

Para and lambeo at least are very obviously different from a distance

[coarse inlet]

Shri is very different from Velociraptor in appearance, but regardless this is just my wishlist, if y'all want to add onto it go for it but I'm not removing things

[shell sonnet]

Besides the wiki page

[flint sable]

the fully canon list of everything thats been 100% directly confirmed is also on Wikipedia

I try to keep it from people adding stuff that hasnt been confirmed on there

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_Kingdom#Animals

it also has every palaeobotany plant I think

I might have missed a few but I think I got them all?

[flint sable]

or at the very least the ones added in U15

[coarse inlet]

curious what other small dromaeosaurs people would want, since Shri was the one that I could think of which was most unlike Velociraptor in appearance while being based on a reasonably complete skeleton

[shell sonnet]

I mean I wouldn't include animals that aren't actually in the game just yet

[coarse inlet]

flashbacks to when I was certain that Spinosaurus would be in ZT2 Marine Mania because someone put it on the Wikipedia page

[shell sonnet]

It's kind of dishonest

[flint sable]

I put (upcoming) in parenthesis next to all the ones that arent in yet

so I got that covered

[silver steeple]

Can you link the page you're using? The wiki page I saw had no bespoke list

[flint sable]

and its literally only the ones that have been outright said by the develeopers

[coarse inlet]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleobiota_of_the_Djadochta_Formation

[shell sonnet]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleobiota_of_the_Djadochta_Formation

[flint sable]

Allosaurus, Stegosaurus, Simosuchus, Yi, Tiktaalik, Compsognathus, Saurophagonax, Baryonyx

[silver steeple]

I see

[flint sable]

oh wait, and Utahraptor

might remove that guy, though

[silver steeple]

The Djadotcha formation page has no bespoke list

[flint sable]

since idk if that counts as being confirmed or not

[silver steeple]

I guess that must be because it's a bespoke page

[flint sable]

I would say so but idk

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, some formations have a separate page for their fossil taxon

[silver steeple]

Utah is confirmed

[flint sable]

ye

ik Hell Creek and La Brea do

a few others too

[hollow furnace]

Utah has had concept art shown

[silver steeple]

Usually they have a link pretty far up in the page if so

[hollow furnace]

It's pretty confirmed

[flint sable]

ok yeah I would say its confirmed then yeah

[coarse inlet]

Morrison has a page JUST for the dinosaurs and another for everything else lol

[shell sonnet]

And then there's Morrison which has a separate dinosaur taxon page from its own separate bio taxon page

[flint sable]

so ill keep it there

but I try to keep it as up to date and comprehensive as possible

as well as keeping it actually accurate

a few times ive found people just edit it and put random bullshit on there that isnt even true

like Aenocyon and Diplodicus

[hollow furnace]

lol

[shell sonnet]

Again, I don't think animals not in the game should be mentioned; imagine if the entire dev team was somehow struck by lightning

[toxic oriole]

So whats up with Citipati?

[shell sonnet]

We didn't get it

[flint sable]

true

[toxic oriole]

No like

[flint sable]

I mean I can edit wikipedia articles pretty fast so

[toxic oriole]

I heard some people saying Citipati is just Oviraptor

Whats up with that?

[shell sonnet]

The Dino Renaissance image of Oviraptor is based on Citipati

[flint sable]

iirc its not that they are the same animal its moresoe a Girafftitan Brachiosaurus situation

[shell sonnet]

We don't have Ovi's crest for one

[silver steeple]

Saw someone try to add a moa page at one point

[toxic oriole]

DAMMIT, ANOTHER MISSED POTENTIAL FOR AN ALT

[silver steeple]

Had to snip that in the bud

[hollow furnace]

Oviraptor depictions are based on a specimen of unnamed oviraptorid that used to be assigned to Citipati

[hollow furnace]

Not really

They're quite different in appearance and build

[coarse inlet]

still might be a new species of Citipati

[hollow furnace]

It's like saying Camarasaurus could be a Brontosaurus alt because old depictions of Brontosaurus used a Camarasaurus skull

[coarse inlet]

that's pretty extreme

they're still close relatives

[hollow furnace]

Not that close

And quite different in build

[coarse inlet]

in which sense?

[hollow furnace]

In the sense that citipati is a lot lankier and more lithe compared to oviraptor

[coarse inlet]

all I see is that Oviraptor's head is smaller in comparison

[toxic oriole]

... Lithe?

What does that mean?

[coarse inlet]

that's a lot to extrapolate given we dont have much of Oviraptor

[toxic oriole]

Why the long fingers?

[shell sonnet]

How else is it supposed to hold eggs

[coarse inlet]

lol

[hollow furnace]

slim, slender, lightly built

[toxic oriole]

Alright heard someone say its a Giraffatitan and Brachiosaurus case

Makes sense

GIRAFFATITAN WHEN!?!?!?

[hollow furnace]

nevaaah

[toxic oriole]

I am going to

[hollow furnace]

where are you going to

[toxic oriole]

I'm gonna

[coarse inlet]

I’d love a Tendaguru DLC tbh

[shell sonnet]

I mean if we can convince Mau that Giraffatitan is a horse, there's a 60% chance it'll be added

[flint sable]

at some point

[flint sable]

ok but

how do we convince someone a sauropod is a horse

[hollow furnace]

It's not a horse its a giraffe

can't you read

[wild relic]

I'm not suggesting him but just smol spinosaur

[shell sonnet]

Put a saddle and a cowboy on, that makes it a horse

[wild relic]

Trueee

[toxic oriole]

This guy and Irritator WHEN!?!?!??!?!

[flint sable]

hold up lemme cook

[wild relic]

Anythings a horse if you put a saddle on it

[toxic oriole]

So even a pig would be a horse?

Minecraft moment

[shell sonnet]

See a horse

[late swallow]

its the top result for Elatides

[coarse inlet]

maybe not a brachiosaurid but diplodocoids are very horse

[wild relic]

They got horse head

[shell sonnet]

Damn it, I should have posted this one instead

[wild relic]

Dino Riders fr

[flint sable]

horse

even had saddle

[toxic oriole]

THAT MOUTH

Why so LONG?

[shell sonnet]

Welcome to the 90's

[hollow furnace]

a brachiosaurus walks into a bar and orders a drink. The bartender says "why the long face?"

[shell sonnet]

First the bartender says is "My barrrrrrrr!" followed by them whinning about not getting insurance for dino damage.

[silver steeple]

Shoulda had a bigger bar

[silver steeple]

Literal peak fiction btw

[flint sable]

ok but serious question

how does one get that high up on a sauropod

an elevator?

tower?

[silver steeple]

I was about to say they probably have buildings for it

But also they could lower their necks

[flint sable]

actually that makes me wonder

what dinosaur would be the best mount

out of all of them

[silver steeple]

Well that depends on what you need

And not really in the purview of the channel

[flint sable]

ok ill ask in science chat

[neat iris]

Dinotopia seems like a good candidate for a film franchise

[silver steeple]

Good and bad news

[neat iris]

I’ve never read the books, but I’ve seen plenty of art from them, and the world building is incredible!

[coarse inlet]

Gurney wrote a blog about how hard it’s been to get a film made

[neat iris]

I know there are two movies already and they both suck

[silver steeple]

Idk if they suck

But they certainly aren't amazing

[coarse inlet]

Because the utopian setting is antithetical to Hollywood plot structure

[late swallow]

Y'ever work a sailing ship?

[coarse inlet]

I mean Wentworth Miller was in one and that’s cool

[quick ore]

that's like

[neat iris]

I’ve seen reviews of them, and they weren’t positive

[quick ore]

very hard to tell without knowing their dispositions

[coarse inlet]

It’d be rad if PK did a collab with Gurney to do some Dinotopia based skins

[neat iris]

The animated one looks like a massive Land Before Time ripoff

[flint sable]

purely from a morphological perspective

[silver steeple]

Have you seen them yourself?

[coarse inlet]

Like a Bix skin for Protoceratops would rule

[silver steeple]

Cause I have

[silver steeple]

Giga with a Dinotopia reference skin......

[neat iris]

No, but I’m definitely keen to read the books

[coarse inlet]

I’ve seen the live action miniseries and I have a lot of nostalgia for it but they made the Dinotopian government assholes and the predators mindless monsters

[silver steeple]

It has its issues

[late swallow]

Is that

[silver steeple]

But its far from like the worst thing ever

[coarse inlet]

True

[late swallow]

It is the very Gurney behind the Torvosaurus species

[coarse inlet]

Also I thought the mosasaurs were phytosaurs for YEARS

[coarse inlet]

Yep

[silver steeple]

Correct

[neat iris]

If it ever gets a theatrical film series, do you think it would be live action or animated?

[coarse inlet]

Live action

[late swallow]

That's pretty cool, having a dino named after you

[silver steeple]

There is also an animated film ftr

[late swallow]

I do think it'd be cool to see T. sp. Give us another German dino

[coarse inlet]

Fun fact George Lucas was gonna make a Dinotopia movie in the 90s and when it fell through they reused the miniature set of waterfall city to make Theed in TPM

[silver steeple]

George Lucas loved Waterfall City

For good reason

[coarse inlet]

Who wouldn’t

Dinotopia’s visuals are incredible

[silver steeple]

Almost shocked no one, afaik, has tried to remake Waterfall City in PK lol

[hollow furnace]

someone was iirc

[coarse inlet]

I considered it

But it feels beyond my abilities

[hollow furnace]

Yep, found it

[silver steeple]

Over 2 years ago

Ouch lol

[coarse inlet]

I really would love to see some of the classic designs updated

Like the Skybax with up to date azhdarchid anatomy

[late swallow]

If yall had to pick one Hadrosaur to add, which and why?

[silver steeple]

Tethyshadros

[coarse inlet]

Saurolophus because it rules and fits two formations

[hollow furnace]

Saurolophus

[hollow furnace]

Not a hadrosaur technically

[late swallow]

Iguanodont?

[hollow furnace]

hadrosauroid

[silver steeple]

Its close enough

It also wasn't specified to be a hadrosaurid

[hollow furnace]

hadrosaur is typically considered to be hadrosaurid

but yeah, close enough

[late swallow]

What sells you?

[silver steeple]

Smaller size for one

[late swallow]

It's p cool

[silver steeple]

All the hadrosaurs in the game are in the same size range

But there's also the fact that its got this almost serrated beak

And its another European dino, which we don't have a ton of

[late swallow]

True

[silver steeple]

Though if it has to be a hadrosaurid, I would also go with Saurolophus lol

[late swallow]

I'd have to go for Olorotitan - its crest is fascinating

[silver steeple]

Its a good one

Unfortunately doesn't provide much besides the unique crest that our current hadrosaurids don't

[reef relic]

I am also team Saurolophus, or Maiasaura. Love me some Maiasaura.

[plush nacelle]

Thats still really small

[silver steeple]

Its bigger than the dung beetle

Which is our best reference for how small they can potentiall get

[autumn plover]

I wouldn’t have any particular new genus to add in mind, but i’d get the devs to go back and add magnicristatus to Lambeosaurus, preferably for the cosmic skin.

[plush nacelle]

Yes, but we definitely would need way smaller exhibit for animals like these

[silver steeple]

Not really

[autumn plover]

Such a shame we only got lambei

[silver steeple]

A 4x4 is fine

[silver steeple]

Still one of the most odd choices to not give an alt tbh

[autumn plover]

^

[silver steeple]

Especially cause we have old concept art and stuff that's clearly magnicristatus

[autumn plover]

It was practically crying out for it.

[plush nacelle]

For this newt? PZ has Danube crested newt, which is tad bigger than yunaan species

And it is impossible to see it

In 4x4 box

[silver steeple]

PZ boxes are also different

[autumn plover]

Do we know why the devs didn’t give Lambeosaurus an alt?

[silver steeple]

Nope

Other than they just didn't feel like it ig

[slow shoal]

cause they didnt want to

[autumn plover]

That’s such a shame

[slow shoal]

eh, not everything needs alts

[autumn plover]

It makes so much sense for magnicristatus though

It’s not like making an alt of two vaguely related genera or species

[slow shoal]

lambei is the species everyone thinks of when they picture Lambeosaurus tbf

[silver steeple]

It just feels weird given game history

[plush nacelle]

Nah. 4x4 is simply ridiculous for such small animal no matter how devs would implement it.

Whats the difference between lambeo species?

I am curious

[autumn plover]

walkeri is the most famous species of Para so why did it get alts?

[slow shoal]

cryto is also pretty famous

also tbf sometimes there isnt much of a reason

its just vibes

[silver steeple]

Yeah ngl I think that's a weak argument

[autumn plover]

It’s not walkeri level

walkeri is one of the most famous species there is

[silver steeple]

Heck idk if cyrto is even tubicen level ngl

[late swallow]

Cyrtocristatus is the jp1 para

[silver steeple]

Has that ever been said?

The ones in TLW are pretty obviously walkeri or tubicen

Like

That doesn't really match up with cyrto well at all

[slow shoal]

ye

there is art in the visitor center of short crested paras, but iirc thats cause at the time it was thought female paras had the short curled crests

[silver steeple]

cyrtocristatus doesn't even have a curled crest as an adult lol

[plush nacelle]

Going back to RE animals

Paradise parrot would be neat addition for terrestrial vivarium

[sharp dock]

female walkeri

[silver steeple]

Pretty little fella

[ancient ibex]

Eat their children

[shell sonnet]

So besides Hyaenodon horridus and Daeodon shoshonensis, are there any other White River animals that are must haves?

[autumn plover]

Chalicothere?

Basically the cast of WWB

[plush nacelle]

Wrong continent

For White River it would be Megacerops definitely

Could also use one of the many small ungulates

[shell sonnet]

Huh, somehow I missed Megacerops the first time; Mesohippus would also be nice if Eohippus ends up as a vivarium animal.

[plush nacelle]

Merycoidodon would be interesting

Early game mammal

Good rig to reuse with something like propalaeotherium and many other small and sturdy ungulates

[shell sonnet]

Which species would be the best?

A few of them seem smaller than V-raptor.

[plush nacelle]

Culbertsoni I guess?

There is also saniwa in there

But apparently its not that one from good fossil

[shell sonnet]

Saniwa feels like it should be a viviarium animal (I've suggested it as a possible candidate for the arboreal lizard)

[plush nacelle]

Yes. I would mention vivarium, but there is one big and small species

Not sure which is which

[shell sonnet]

S. ensidens is the main one (and the one I keep finding info about). It's got a SVL of 0.42 meters, though it' tail is massive (more than 2/3rds of it's length) with only the semi-aquatic Varanus salvator and the arboreal (though much smaller) Varanus prasinus comparing. That makes the species roughly the size of semiarboreal Varanus varius aka the lace monitor or tree goanna.

Most recent report I can find on Saniwa orsmaelensis would be about the same size (Dollo's earlier description thought it was 1/3 the length)

https://sciencepress.mnhn.fr/sites/default/files/articles/hd/comptes-rendus-palevol2022v21a25-pdfa.pdf

[amber field]

Perhaps grassland biome mammoth alt ?

[feral cedar]

ngl adding a second slot for Mammuthus columbi/subplanifrons/exilis could be fun

[late swallow]

Much more interested in exilis and columbi personally

[feral cedar]

Well it could still work

Columbian mammoth with two skins that display different amounts of fur, and exilis as an alt

[shell sonnet]

I feel like P. falconeri is a better choice for the dwarf island elephant niche, given that it's shorter than the average adult human. And there's also M. lamarmorai to consider as well.

[feral cedar]

The neat thing is we could get both

PK post-release ideas mention Columbian mammoth and Palaeoloxodon

[flint sable]

the old one did anyway

[feral cedar]

There’s no reason the PK team can’t give both elephants a junior size alt

[shell sonnet]

That assumes that both are still up for consideration. We have no way of knowing what's kept and what's changed

[flint sable]

theres basically no way to know on the new post EA Ideas list lmao

since that thing is essentially undecipherable

[shell sonnet]

The only entry I convinced about is Bos

[feral cedar]

makes you wonder why they even post it

[flint sable]

trolling

idk

[feral cedar]

[flint sable]

heres the thread if you wanna look at what we have

[shell sonnet]

To keep people from treating the old list as gold

[flint sable]

https://discord.com/channels/173172667623407616/1390166848632520744

[flint sable]

true

[feral cedar]

what’s crazy is that honestly I’d be fine not knowing what the post-EA ideas are

But posting the list, just blurred to the point of being unintelligible… that’s mean

[shell sonnet]

Other reason to make it undecipherable: to alleviate the sting when it turns out the game doesn't make enough money at launch to continue work on DLC

[silver steeple]

I don't see why P. falconeri and M. exilis would be mutually exclusive tbh

They're very different tiny elephants

[shell sonnet]

How about M.exilis vs M. lamarmorai

[flint sable]

I honestly dont think that will be the case, but also valid

[feral cedar]

I mean were this the case it’d be easier to just… not tease post-EA content

[silver steeple]

I think one or the other would be better in that case, they're both probably fairly hairless Mammoths of about the same size

[shell sonnet]

M. exilis would be closer to M. columbi and M. lamarmorai closer to M. trogontherii (most likely); however much of a difference that makes

[silver steeple]

Iirc trogontherii is the ancestor of columbi (technically being a more distant ancestor of exilis lol) so I don't think it would make a ton of difference

But if we're getting columbi, I'd rather get an alt closer to it genetically

But that's a personal preference

[flint sable]

its interesting

[plush nacelle]

Blindshot. Green is the only amphibian and koolasuchus

[flint sable]

iirc trogontotherii was the ancestor of a weird prototype columbian mammoth that went into north america, and then later hybridized with woolies and gave rise to the columbian mammoths of later periods

and exilis descends from those later C. columbi

[silver steeple]

Yup

I was putting it in basic terms

But Mammoths (elephants as a whole really) are too horny for that

[flint sable]

true...

[reef relic]

If y'all could pick any thyreophoran to be added to the game besides those confirmed, what would you pick and why?

I'm gonna be cheap and pick Sauropelta cause I love that thing. I know it was confirmed once upon a time but idk if it's still coming to the game.

[silver steeple]

If I had to pick anything it would probably be Sauropelta or Edmontonia since they were planned at one point and would mostly complete the anky family

Assuming those return, probably Kunbarra or Antarctopelta for some parank rep

[shell sonnet]

Sauropelta - nodosaur, we don't have one at the moment, adds something to Cloverly, has the nice large shoulder spikes, also we've got a nice fossil of its armor

[shell sonnet]

Stegorous cries in the corner

[amber field]

columbi can have two skins, one with more hair , and the other will look like a elephant

[fresh ember]

Gone from the roster, but not forgotten...

[outer moth]

Sad it was reshuffled out of the og roster

[hard elbow]

Those concepts iirc were actually still intended to be lambei, they just existed during a time when weird soft tissue extensions on hadrosaur crests were the norm and people were actually doing "what if lambei actually looked identical to magni"

[silver steeple]

I fear stegouros to be too small

Oh wack

[hard elbow]

They existed alongside the giant flap crested Para, if you recall that thing

[silver steeple]

Still feels weird to leave magnicristatus out but that makes a lot more sense

[silver steeple]

Yeah that was a funny time lol

[fresh ember]

I think I made a joke about the off-chance they may have looked like Aptonoth at one point.

[hard elbow]

Bizarre thing

[fresh ember]

Still gives off Aptonoth vibes.

[shell sonnet]

It's about V-raptor size, but I get what you're saying (I'd choose Kunbarrassaurus myself)

[hard elbow]

Yeah I think Lambeo was just added during a time when they were largely much more reserved with adding alt species compared to nowadays. I think they could absolutely have pulled it off in the ontogeny update though

[silver steeple]

Is velo under 1.5m? I thought it was over

[fresh ember]

And maybe would've added Corythosaurus as an alt genus if they held off on adding it until that point.

[shell sonnet]

About 1.5 to 2m; so yeah its longer

[reef relic]

🤜 🤛

Based

[hard elbow]

True actually

[silver steeple]

Stegouros would be my #1 pick for a parankylosaur

[hard elbow]

Agreed

[silver steeple]

But as shown it's probably just below the cut off

[hard elbow]

He's such a a little guy

[silver steeple]

So in that event, Kunbarra or Antarctopelta will do

[hard elbow]

I wouldn't mind it as a mini

Give him some funny digging behaviors

[silver steeple]

That would be cool

Isn't it thought to have been like halfway in a burrow when it died or something

[tough marsh]

paranthodon its my favourite

[reef relic]

Interesting dude, just looked him up

[shell sonnet]

That's nationalism for ya

[hard elbow]

Granted, "viv restricted to the largest vivarium" maybe because like. That thing is not remotely miniature, lmfao

[fresh ember]

Polacanthus/Gastonia, Pinacosaurus and maybe Euoplocephalus.

[hard elbow]

This is the thing I keep stressing about the revised vivarium system

[silver steeple]

I feel like the mouse deer comparison is probably apt here

[hard elbow]

If we have bigger vivariums we really don't have to worry too much about squeezing animals into the "full exhibit animal" category

[reef relic]

Pinacosaurus would be an ideal choice for another Djadochta species. Sauropelta is a favorite of mine, but I do enjoy Saichania for the cool armored forelimbs.

[hard elbow]

Anything sufficiently quirky can go into a vivarium to better represent its behavior

[silver steeple]

Mhm

[hard elbow]

Definitely

[tough marsh]

i love maybe stegosaurus/ankylosaurus

[hard elbow]

And like having volunteered in zoos I can say from experience, the distinction between vivarium and non-vivarium definitely is not that clear at all

[reef relic]

Ayyy fellow zoo staffer

This is why I work for had a couple of seriously huge exhibits that could have been classified as vivariums. One was a walk-through central Africa bird habitat

[silver steeple]

In what ways?

[coarse inlet]

Dacenturus/Miragaia

[shell sonnet]

I love longicullum but chosing that over Kentro is just wrong

[silver steeple]

True

[coarse inlet]

then I dont want to be right

[hollow furnace]

tell that to the devs for the old original 50

[shell sonnet]

Doesn't mean they were right; they chose Preno over Pachy

Heck Spino wasn't even on that list (it was post-EA originally)

[coarse inlet]

dacentrurines are gorgeous animals

I want one in the game w the kind of amazing art direction they have

[silver steeple]

Nothro over Theri

Which they later said "yeah that was a bad one" lmao

[shell sonnet]

There is the argument of completeness, but yeah if you're trying to sell something

[coarse inlet]

nah that was correct

both for completeness and the size niche

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/workout-gif-4951363

[hard elbow]

I've seen animals people would categorize as "full animals" whose display areas were similarly sized to the larger PK vivariums, I've seen species being kept in both "vivarium/aviary" type enclosures and in "conventional" ones, and I've seen enclosures that blend together elements of both types (like an enclosed, indoor, glass box with heat lamp setup for komodos that leads outside to a more open, planted yard). In trying to build realistic enclosures in PK (or at least thinking about it) I realize there's not that much that separates animals once you get beyond the size of really small vivaria (in comparison to our current minimum, anyway)

[shell sonnet]

Therizino's also has the size niche, it's massive compared to its relatives

[coarse inlet]

also Darren Naish said this should be the default assumption for Miragaia's neck posture

[plush nacelle]

They said nothro was looking ugly

[fresh ember]

Close enough. Welcome back, Ice Age 3 Kentrosaurus.

[coarse inlet]

in the game there are tons of theropods at that size and none at Nothro's general size except for Dilo

[silver steeple]

"Tons" being like 4 tops

Only one other of which is an herbivore

[coarse inlet]

Acrocanthosaurus, Carcharodontosaurus, Deinocheirus, Tarbosaurus, Tyrannosaurus, Spinosaurus

that's a large chunk of the roster

[silver steeple]

Tarbo does not count lmao

[hard elbow]

Like, the vivarium mechanic is evidently there purely for tech reasons, and putting an animal in a vivarium isn't a "relegation" nor does it have to fit some arbitrary "needs to be below X size" criteria. It's just a way to add animals that would otherwise be difficult to add, from what they've said, and so I'm always like "fuck it, if an animal bigger than velo could be executed better in a vivarium, put it in a vivarium"

[coarse inlet]

how does it not count??????

[silver steeple]

Yeah absolutely tbh

[silver steeple]

Cause it's an alt

[coarse inlet]

ok and

[silver steeple]

It's not its own distinct animal

[hard elbow]

Ok distinction between alts and whatnot aside

[silver steeple]

For the purposes of this argument it doesn't add anything

[coarse inlet]

it is, when it comes to park building and composition

[hard elbow]

The game isn't that stacked with big theropods

[silver steeple]

One more isn't gonna hurt anything

[hard elbow]

Especially not ones like Theri, which is objectively weird enough to stand out

[silver steeple]

^

[coarse inlet]

of course not but it'd be MORE useful to have something mid sized

[silver steeple]

If it was giga or like idk Zhucheng I could see the argument

But if it's unique enough why does size matter

[hard elbow]

People only say we're topped out on big theropods because they don't want more shit like Giga or Mapu or Meraxes or whatever else people are overhyped about

(not judging any of those just the first three I thought of lmao)

[silver steeple]

By that argument we also shouldn't have Gigantoraptor because we have Ovi lmao

[coarse inlet]

because when I'm building a park I want to be able to do more than just a bunch of really huge spaced out enclosures

[silver steeple]

And there are options for that

[coarse inlet]

no? that's an entirely new sentence

[hard elbow]

Don't get me wrong I do agree, I want more small/medium stuff

[silver steeple]

^

[hard elbow]

But Theri goes beyond that methinks

[hollow furnace]

Theri also gives you an option to avoid that in being able to have a Nemegt mixed exhibit

[hard elbow]

That's just a "duh" addition

[plush nacelle]

I wish for all cut species to come back 🥀

[silver steeple]

Well you can already do that with Deino and Galli but yes

It gives you more options

[hard elbow]

Nothro is kinda just...smaller theri

[silver steeple]

With no real friends either

[coarse inlet]

no, Theri is just reconstructed as larger Nothros

[hard elbow]

And that's fine but if we have theri itself I'd rather get a different smaller therizinosaur like Falcarius

[plush nacelle]

Which mean nothro is alt angle

Trust

[shell sonnet]

Northo is quite a bit bigger than Dilo; Dilo is like 400 KGs, Northo is estimated to be 2 to 3 times that. That's around Bary size.

[steep tulip]

Nothro is also not recovered as its closest relative most often than not

[coarse inlet]

that's not the conversation

[silver steeple]

Unless we get like

[hard elbow]

Yes, but in terms of popularity balanced with popular ideas about appearance, etc, balanced with theri diversity overall

[silver steeple]

Zuniceratops ig

[coarse inlet]

I meant linearly, I'm aware it's way bulkier

[silver steeple]

Exactly

Falc fits the niche you seem to want for Nothro perfectly

[shell sonnet]

That has more to do with its stance

[coarse inlet]

the conversation was "was it a good idea to have Nothronychus and not Therizinosaurus in the original 50"

[plush nacelle]

It absolutely doesnt

[hard elbow]

And between nothro and theri, Theri is objectively a better pick if for no other reason than "Theri is a much, much more marketable name"

[coarse inlet]

ok but that's dumb and I don't have to agree with it

[silver steeple]

How lmao

Small animal that fills out the park space with a smaller exhibit size

[hard elbow]

Like it or not, if selling enough copies to ensure we can get DLC/development continues is a concern, it's worth keeping in mind...

[coarse inlet]

Falcarius is like 10% of the size, has a completely different body plan, and a different diet

ok but we're talking about the original 50 roster

Nothronychus filled a better niche in that specific roster

[hard elbow]

Right and that's kinda what I'm saying

[reef relic]

I know what you mean by saying there's a lot of large theropods, but there's a lot to look at when it comes to physical variation. Tyrannosaurus, Tarbosaurus, Carcharodontosaurus, Torvosaurus and Acrocanthosaurus do have similar silhouettes, but Deinocheirus definitely doesn't. And I don't think things like Gigantoraptor or Therizinosaurus would necessarily feel like visual bloat considering how different they look from traditional theropods.

[hard elbow]

If they stuck with that it would legitimately have been a better idea to add theri instead because that's a bigger name to have on the bill

[coarse inlet]

the original roster was great because they didnt limit themselves to big names

[hard elbow]

I don't even hate nothro I just don't think it does anything that theri can't

[steep tulip]

Theri and giganto are cool yeah

[autumn plover]

It absolutely does, another North American therizinosaur but at least this one doesn’t just resemble a baby Theri. And actually has an animal planned from the same formation (Utah)

[hard elbow]

right but for the most part they didn't pick obscure animals just for the sake of it

[shell sonnet]

Only thing that's really against Theriznio is its fragmentary nature and we might end up with a Deinocherius-esque again.

[steep tulip]

Even if we have quite a bit megatheropods already

[reef relic]

Now that I agree with. Therizinosaurus is a much more common and recognizable name, which would draw in more attention. I'd still like to see another member of the family group for some representation, but when it comes to a logistical view, picking an animal that general audiences are more familiar with is probably a better idea.

[hollow furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/murica-gif-11967745087810666193

[coarse inlet]

this is such a dumb argument because people are arguing over like 4 different positions

[hard elbow]

Even aside from "drawing in the general public" i imagine plenty of paleonerds would still wanna see theri lmao

[autumn plover]

That’s true, but if you want a second Therizinosaur then Falcarius would be a better pick for NA than Nothro

[hard elbow]

On that I think we can agree

[coarse inlet]

literally all I said was that it fills a more useful size niche in this specific roster that's no longer a thing

[reef relic]

At the end of the day this is a zoo sim game, so you could theoretically put any animal into the game and justify its existence. After all zoos have a huge number of hoofstock of varying species. Your average zoo guest is going to recognize an impala or zebra, but how many are going to recognize a blue duiker?
Ideally there would be a good mix of familiar and unfamiliar species for the combination draw factor and education factor.

[plush nacelle]

Falcarius barely reasembles what people expect from therizinosaurs. It is great pick on its own, but it absolutely doesnt fill nothro niche

[late swallow]

real

Nothro/Beipiao

[plush nacelle]

Both can co-exist

[hard elbow]

This i think captures it correctly

[shell sonnet]

Therizino/Neimongo

also works

[reef relic]

I do like Nothronychus, but Falcarius does offer a good insight into Therizinosaur evolution

[coarse inlet]

exactly

[autumn plover]

Nope, but Theri does, so if you wanted a second Therizinosaur then rather than pick a smaller Theri pick the one that actually doesn’t look like a smaller Theri

[plush nacelle]

Nothro is going to be great theri alt

[shell sonnet]

Would it work as an alt?

[plush nacelle]

I mean why not

[reef relic]

That's.. actually not a terrible idea.

[hard elbow]

Nothro as a Theri alt, now that I could actually get behind

[late swallow]

what is actually occuring

[shell sonnet]

If we can have Therizino/Northro/Neimongo as one animal, I'd be all for that

[hard elbow]

I think that's probably the best way to handle Nothro if it's gonna get added at all

[reef relic]

https://tenor.com/view/women-ladies-nodding-yes-agreed-gif-5523014

The entire chat when Saguaro suggests Nothronychus as an alt

[plush nacelle]

My agenda. One of the U19 insectivores is nothro as theri alt since animal used to have insect diet

[steep tulip]

Is there a reason why neimongosaurus isn't used as base for theri instead of nothro as it seems the 2 are more closely related?

Ig theri position isn't that stable

[plush nacelle]

Which would explain weird 2 insectivores. Both are small therizinosaurids

[coarse inlet]

closer in size probably

[reef relic]

Now for the real debate..
We know Therizinosaurs weren't predators, but the narrow beak and small head suggests a selective feeding style.
Herbivore, Frugivore, Insectivore?

I suppose the devs could do all three

[hard elbow]

All three

Easily

[coarse inlet]

definitely

no reason not to

[shell sonnet]

It's a Detritivore

[hard elbow]

yeah given animals now require multiple diets I feel like at least herbi and insectivore for the theris

[coarse inlet]

(though I still think the plant feed needs to be split)

[hard elbow]

Give them the long tongues while we're at it. I know it's probably not accurate but it looks so funny

[hard elbow]

How so?

[plush nacelle]

Alright. What could be second small insectivorous alt theri

[reef relic]

I'd like to see the feeding be done somewhat like PZ, where the herbivore food is a little tailored to each individual species preferences. A feeder for a zebra is mostly grass, but if you look at the feeders for a pronghorn it's a mixture of hay, grass, and cactus.

[shell sonnet]

Beipiaosaurus

[coarse inlet]

tough browse, veggies, leaves

[coarse inlet]

WAYYYYY too different

[shell sonnet]

I know

[hard elbow]

Like, into separate diets?

I think that might be overcomplicating it

[plush nacelle]

I think one of the requirements is not having skull, because all derived theris use erlikosaurus head

[shell sonnet]

But really, Therizino, Northo, and Nemingo are all you need for Therizinosaurid

[hard elbow]

Like just from a management perspective

[abstract compass]

feels like people are just having personal preferences here tbh which is fine. but people will always disagree on what fits and what doesnt fit.

[coarse inlet]

I guess, but I'd like selective and generalist herbivores to have a distinction ingame

[autumn plover]

Nothro as a Theri alt is actually a good idea, but Falcarius is definitely a better choice for it's own animal over any other

[hard elbow]

Idk, maybe it''d be neat as a purely visual thing, but I think it's a little too much complication imo. Like, that's a whole additional farm to worry about, a lot more complication when managing herbivore diets, etc etc. Plus, I think practically speaking the keepers would grow appropriate foods and dish out the right blend for each animal, that's just sort of an implied thing

[sharp dock]

new amazing idea for PK: griffon alt skin for protoceratops

[coarse inlet]

no

[sharp dock]

:(

[plush nacelle]

So good. You get legacy PK animal and popular version at once

[shell sonnet]

Just add Neimongo

[sharp dock]

also a dragon alt skin for coelodonta

[hard elbow]

And then it would open the floodgates for things like molluscivores, or durophagous animals (what, they gonna make us farm bones if we get a hyena?) or any other niche diet

Which just really overcomplicates the whole thing

[shell sonnet]

Just farm mussels and snails for durophagous; the game already has you farming meat, so take the bones from whatever that was attached to

[coarse inlet]

Yes, which is good

[hard elbow]

Right but that's still a whole additional diet to worry about farming, for like a handful of animals

[quick ore]

you know that idea is BS right

[coarse inlet]

I want a durophagous feed type

[hard elbow]

Plus like

[sharp dock]

why

you dont like griffons

their cool

[quick ore]

what?

no the

the theory is bs

it has been long disproven

[shell sonnet]

Adriene Meyer's hypothesis has no real grounding

[plush nacelle]

Alright. U19 is going to feature theri and 2 smaller alts nothro and neimongo with speculative insect based diet

[sharp dock]

i dont care, I like griffons for PK, it would be interesting and unique

[shell sonnet]

You could just buy Fantasy Zoo

[sharp dock]

how many dinosaur games have griffons? none

[quick ore]

are you being fr rn

[coarse inlet]

the game shouldnt promote pseudoscience

[coarse inlet]

whatsthat

[abstract compass]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-daring-today-spongebob-spongebob-meme-daring-today-arent-we-gif-23808696

[autumn plover]

I’d rather just get Nothro on its own as an alt for Theri. I wouldn’t want Theri to just have one skin, plus you could things like change the feather patterns on its two remaining skins, Nothro is good Neimongo is unnecessary.

[plush nacelle]

PK should feature rabbit for Nar

[sharp dock]

the realest one can be

[plush nacelle]

Prehistoric rabbit

[sharp dock]

Nuralagus!

[shell sonnet]

I mean people want the Ivory-Billed Woodpecker and that's basically a cryptid

[quick ore]

there's no way we get that species

[coarse inlet]

what????

[quick ore]

it isnt even conclusively extinct

[coarse inlet]

no it's not

[sharp dock]

huh

[coarse inlet]

the ivory billed woodpecker is demonstrably real

[shell sonnet]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1951060/Fantasy_Zoo/
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[sharp dock]

ivory billed woodpecker is very much a real species that existed

like griffons

:^)

[coarse inlet]

i've wanted a fantasy zoo builder for so long, I've gotta at least try it out

[hard elbow]

I can assure you that 1, the herbivore diets would be fundamentally unrealistic anyway because they're purely living plant matter and there's no inclusion of pellets or any kind of supplement that we can see, and 2, herbivorous animals in zoos will often get a lot of overlap regardless of specific dietary preference. Like the giraffes will still get hay and even fucking lettuce (as a treat, mind) even though they're browsers. Bell peppers and vegetables abound. Animals are very seldom actually that picky in captivity and the choice of plants used for feed is often more about the appropriate nutritional value over anything else