Community Species Suggestions

[silver steeple]

Huh ig not

Yeah it's just the front half for some reason

[shell sonnet]

Still those scales are pretty tall and probably can make up for the short length

[desert flame]

If you add a truly miniature vivarium, it may be suitable for displaying small fish or insects.

[late swallow]

There are like 6 referred specimens of "possible integumentary appendages"

[silver steeple]

The biggest problem is rendering anything worthwhile at that size

[late swallow]

Those back spines - they're what, 10cm?

[silver steeple]

Cause yeah they could do something like that for idk titanomyrma but if you can't see any of its unique features because it's just that small, what's the point?

Bruh Mirasaura is just the front half too lmfao

It's more than Longisquama but still stops short of the hips

[late swallow]

Juramaia or bust

[silver steeple]

So uh

[desert flame]

Even if it's a small fish or insect, I'd add an animal about 20cm long.
For example, a Sakaban Basspis

[silver steeple]

The only 2 basal Drepanosauromorphs to potentially base Longisquama's tail on are Protoavis (which isn't definitively a Drepanosauromorph mind you) and Hypuronector lmfao

[silver steeple]

I mean yeah 20cm is more than enough imo

Larger than the average hand

[shell sonnet]

15 cm by my estimate

[silver steeple]

Yeah they're at least as tall as the animal is long

[late swallow]

Mostly threw out a number based on the fossil - surprised o was that close

[shell sonnet]

Might be a better point of comparison
https://www.instagram.com/p/DMsV8FJMynA/?img_index=3

Instagram

[late swallow]

Here's the image

[coarse inlet]

[silver steeple]

It wouldn't shock me if longi's tail was longer/thicker than usually assumed

[late swallow]

I could see Megalancosaurus

[coarse inlet]

I feel like Drepanosaurus is just too extreme and weird not to include

[silver steeple]

It's definitely a fan favorite

[coarse inlet]

especially if the soft tissue crest pans out

[silver steeple]

I'd be surprised if we didn't get it at some point

[late swallow]

Head's a complete guess

[coarse inlet]

that's overstating it

we have plenty of relatives to base it on

but the head is way less interesting than the arms or tail regardless

[late swallow]

True, plus there's a specimen from the Chinle, so that's a friend for Coelo

And it matches one of the diets

[shell sonnet]

I doubt there's much difference between Drepanosaurus skull and Megalancosaurus' skull, which we do have

[silver steeple]

They're both megalancosaurines so yeah probably not much difference

[shell sonnet]

Either one is fine, though Drepano does have the size edge

[silver steeple]

It also has the more popular name

By a longshot

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, though it doesn't seem like any of these are really heavily searched

[silver steeple]

I mean yeah I wouldn't expect them to be

[late swallow]

They're pretty niche reptiles

[silver steeple]

^

[late swallow]

Like, cool as fuck, but niche

[desert flame]

I'd love to see a looping animation of the Drepanosaurus wrapping its tail around a branch when it's addition to the Vivarium.

[late swallow]

Derpanosaurus and Megalancosaurus look like little chameliguanas

[shell sonnet]

chamelikeys

[plush nacelle]

PK will change that, trust

[late swallow]

Is that chameleon and me likely

[hard elbow]

Congratulations, if I haven't miscounted, this is the fifty thousandth message in this thread

[shell sonnet]

Also think we should get Kuehosuchus for a gliding "lizard"

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/suicide-family-guy-daddy-gif-13843211

[shell sonnet]

Chameleon-Monkey

[plush nacelle]

Sharovipteryx for gliding lizard would be fun

[late swallow]

It would

[hard elbow]

Yeah I counted up fifty

[shell sonnet]

That one might be too small

[late swallow]

I didn't see which one you replied to lmao

[plush nacelle]

I would imagine devs making some stuff a bit bigger, if necessary

[silver steeple]

Doubt it

[plush nacelle]

And saying something about PK scientists discovering bigger specimen

[shell sonnet]

Check the picture above

[silver steeple]

Sharovi is 25cm

Idk what that image is scaled to unless Kuenhosuchus is a fucking monster

[shell sonnet]

50 cm is what's listed for the bar

[silver steeple]

Given they're all angled, that scale bar is awful lol

Either way, Sharovi is 25cm long from nose to tail

[late swallow]

Kuenho is a monster

[silver steeple]

I'm certain that's more than large enough

Wow I can't find anything on Kuehnosuchus

Google literally pulls up about 4 results

Dutch Wikipedia has it but that and maybe a couple papers are all that shows up

[silver steeple]

Unrelated but gliding Hypuronector lmao

[open heron]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuehneosuchus

[silver steeple]

What the hell

[shell sonnet]

https://palaeontologia.pan.pl/PP65/PP65_145-178.pdf

[silver steeple]

Why didn't that show up for me

I see what happened

[shell sonnet]

Google sucks

[silver steeple]

I forgot the second e

I was typing Kuehnosuchus

[silver steeple]

Amusingly this actually has way less info than the Dutch one lmao

Anyway

Imo Sharovi takes the cake for gliding reptiles

[late swallow]

Me too but wikipedia app coming thru clutch

[steep tulip]

How many meters is that

[digital pendant]

4 meters by 4 meters

[steep tulip]

Longisquama is like 12 cms
Might be a little too big still

[steep tulip]

Ah

Idk
I hope they make the smaller animals a bit bigger ngl

[late swallow]

Idk, it wouldn't feel right

[steep tulip]

But that would allow for us to get stuff like hallucigenia or opabinia which is ridiculously small even for a 1×1 aquarium

[late swallow]

I don't think any animals are confirmed that are turbosmall atm, maybe Yi?

[steep tulip]

Yi is pretty small but definitely not too small that you can't see it

[silver steeple]

15-20

[late swallow]

Yi seems reasonable? [E. hui tail]

[silver steeple]

So about a small to medium sized leopard gecko

[steep tulip]

Yi also glides so it's definitely easier to spot

[silver steeple]

But it's also got the stupidly tall "feathers" that make it stupid tall

[steep tulip]

Actually true

Might not be so bad as I thought

[silver steeple]

The damn things are taller than it is long lol

[late swallow]

Yeah it's really hard to guess what we're getting

[late swallow]

Grabbable by children

[steep tulip]

I have decent expectations for all of them but for the arboreal lizard

[silver steeple]

This estimate is also assuming it doesn't have some more derived Drepanosaur tail

Since we don't have the back half of it

[steep tulip]

Which I really have no idea about
Like my top 2 picks are suminia (not even a reptile) and an arboreal rhyncocephalian that got renamed this year

[silver steeple]

There aren't a lot of actual squamates/lepidosaurs that are actually confirmed to be arboreal

[late swallow]

Anole

[steep tulip]

Yeah
and that aren't insectivorous as well

[late swallow]

We have an insectivore coming

[silver steeple]

So I choose to believe it's just like "small quadrupedal non-archosauromorph"

[silver steeple]

I didn't think I needed to make the distinction on it being extinct

[late swallow]

Didn't know if we had extinct anoles

[Soon™]

[silver steeple]

I'm sure we do but I imagine all of them are recent

[slim flare]

I think Yi is a Drepanosaur

[shell sonnet]

Okay, finally found a the original skeletal of Sharovi; it's like 22cm long, which is fine unless you think that a foot is the bare minimum

[silver steeple]

I think you're a Drepanosaur

[late swallow]

Still an unconfirmed insectivore

[shell sonnet]

I still think the lizard could be an early varanid

[silver steeple]

Were those particularly arboreal?

[late swallow]

I mean, just shy of 9 inches is a pretty good size

[steep tulip]

A flying 5 dollars bill told me it isn't

[silver steeple]

Yeah I think less than like 6 and it starts to get iffy

[desert flame]

I honestly think it's one of the two funky dinosaurs.

[steep tulip]

Few days ago someone posted an arboreal varinid from the eocene I believe

Forgot the name

That could be a valid pick although a pretty obscure one

[silver steeple]

Didn't Mau say we wouldn't guess it or something

[late swallow]

-# if you're talking about patreon, that information is supposed to stay in patreon chats

[silver steeple]

I know he said that for at least one of them but I have no clue what

[steep tulip]

||I know but at this point too many people spread the info in this chat, as long as it remains contained here I think it's fine||

[steep tulip]

It was before the rework about the mammal

Could still apply but I kinda doubt it at this point

[silver steeple]

The rework has been planned for a long time

So I highly doubt it was at any point before that lol

[shell sonnet]

I don't know; i've seen suggestions for both good at climbing and aquatic life.

[silver steeple]

Well just because something is good at climbing doesn't make it arboreal

[steep tulip]

Initially it was only 5 and at least one of those got scrapped

Maybe the mammal was as well

[silver steeple]

That part sure

[desert flame]

There are some hints of Update 16 vivarium animals.

[silver steeple]

But that doesn't change the fact that the rework has been planned for like over a year now

Pretty sure it was planned a year before we got like any info on it

[late swallow]

There's more than you're privy to

The semi-aquatic mammal is 100% the piscivore

[silver steeple]

Feel like that probably went without saying tbh

I can't think of any small semi-aquatic mammal that isn't

Using broad terms at least

Since piscivore in PK includes stuff like crustaceans and molluscs

[desert flame]

Mini animals have been quietly revealed on Patron, but probably they will likely be revealed in the next dev blog.

[late swallow]

I'm on the Castorocauda lutrasimilis train now

[silver steeple]

On that castorocauda pack

[short rover]

I wouldn’t count on it, seems they’re keeping quite a few close to the chest

[late swallow]

We genuinely don't know much more than yall

[silver steeple]

From the people I've talked to, even the VIPs don't know more than 1-2 of them

[desert flame]

Ｉ want to meet Mesozoic beaver...

[late swallow]

Otter

[silver steeple]

Beavotter

[late swallow]

Beavertail otterlike

[silver steeple]

Otteaver

[late swallow]

Soft

Friend shaped

[silver steeple]

I think it is funny how beaverlike most art makes it

When its really just the tail

Imo this shows it well

[shell sonnet]

I like the animal but I really want it to be Indohyus major, because we don't have any minis from the cenozoic era

[silver steeple]

I do hope we get at least one

[desert flame]

Because it stands out more that way.

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[short rover]

I’m hoping it’s didelphodon

[late swallow]

That would then shift the piscivore to something else

[silver steeple]

I'm just excited to see what it is

[short rover]

Same

I’m good with any mini mammal semi aquatic tbh

[silver steeple]

It could be anything and I'd be happy lol

[short rover]

I’m curious to what the “lizard” will be

[late swallow]

I just want more tiny friends

[short rover]

I’m guessing coelurasauravus

[silver steeple]

Meh I don't think they'd need to

[late swallow]

Low ¹³C indicates it wouldn't have fed much in water

[silver steeple]

I think creative license is more than reasonable to give a fish based diet to the ancestor of all whales lol

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-25317293

[shell sonnet]

It's an omnivore, pretty sure it could eat fish

[outer moth]

I mean, it's kinda obvious, seeing as it was semi-aquatic

[plush nacelle]

Herbivorous indohyus opening slot for halszka fish diet

[plush nacelle]

So it was like water chevrotain or paca then?

Apparently water chevrotain is omnivore so it might the best analogue

Small ungulate using water as escape option

[steep tulip]

Semi aquatic mammal is microstylus

[late swallow]

Yes

Literally

[steep tulip]

Damn that's actually a real genus of beetles lol

[late swallow]

Othniel Charles Marsh and Edward Drinker Cope during the bone wars:

[late swallow]

What are we expecting for the 3 in u18? Bary and what else?

[hollow furnace]

Bary, Harry, and Larry

[late swallow]

Unrelated, but I really hope we get Pinacosaurus - either grangeri or mephistocephalus, possibly even both

Would add more variety to the Djadochta with grangeri, and mephistocephalus giving us a new digsite: the Bayan Madahu Formation

[short rover]

Bary, deinosuchus, and ambulocetus is what I’m guessing

But we’ll see when it’s out

[late swallow]

Deino as the carni?

[hollow furnace]

Could technically be either tbh

Ambulocetus was also adapted for catching animals

A mammalian crocodile

[late swallow]

True

Idk why I was thinking Atopodentatus

I'd be okay with Deinosuchus - prefer sarco, but I'll take either

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, those three are as good a guess as any, though I hope things changes. Suchomimus should be an alt.

[neat iris]

And his name was Peter

[late swallow]

Yeah, getting that 3rd somewhat-famous Spinosaur in would be nice

Elrhaz filler, bonus to Ourano

[hollow furnace]

Unlikely based on what we know

But we’ll see

[slim flare]

Cristatusaurus!

[steep tulip]

Was atopo semi aquatic?

Tany def was, would be cool to get eventually

[late swallow]

My brain mixed the two names

[hollow furnace]

yes

[late swallow]

Really easy with 4+ of us in here

[steep tulip]

Oh awesome

[late swallow]

Gonna have to refactor my spreadsheet

[shell sonnet]

I mean, yeah, right now the chances are probably nil. But it'd be nice to get Sucho with U18 because I think it would be less work to create 2 skins for Bary and 1 skin for Sucho, rather than having to make 3 for both of them.

[late swallow]

Especially with how closely related the two are

Both Baryonychines, Sucho just being in Ceratosuchopsini

[steep tulip]

I think devs said that they might add animals that have possibility for an alt, but rather make it a separate species for reason
Something like that

[late swallow]

And frequently bickered about whether they're separate genera

[steep tulip]

Its possible that they simply don't want to

[late swallow]

Who's to say how they feel a year from now tbh

[shell sonnet]

I mean a year from now, we should have U18 and it'll be too late by then

[late swallow]

Rough time estimate - didn't mean a precise year, meant to imply the run-up to u18

[shell sonnet]

I'm aware, I just can't help but go for a joke

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/where-you-at-gif-21177622

[shell sonnet]

Imagine we did get one but it's T. longobardicus as a mini

[late swallow]

Have they established a neotype species?

[reef relic]

If they do continue to fill out the Elrhaz formation, there's lots of animals with unique silhouettes that could come from there. Suchomimus, Lurdusaurus, Nigersaurus, etc.

[late swallow]

Nigersaurus sweep

[reef relic]

Not to mention Sarcosuchus

[shell sonnet]

Don't know, don't see how that really matters

[reef relic]

Though Lurdu and Sarco would require a rework of the water system methinks.

[late swallow]

Gigachad moment

[shell sonnet]

We'll see what happens in U18

[steep tulip]

Lurdusaurus is a bit weird
The material we have is few but quite peculiar to stand on its own
Idk
I think it would be cool but I fear it might have not been semi aquatic

[late swallow]

Sarco could work on the same style Spino does

[late swallow]

Curiosity?

[reef relic]

Controversial opinion but I do like the way Planet Zoo handles their water system.

Hoping PK does something similar

[steep tulip]

Not possible unfortunately

[shell sonnet]

I don't think that would stop the devs, though I kind of doubt they'd go for something that obscure, at least early on. (Of course, I'm lukewarm given what little we have)

[steep tulip]

Pz uses a very different terrain system
Also stated by the devs as well

[reef relic]

Ye I remember that discussion. I just hope they do something similar. I'd like to do underwater viewing areas.

[steep tulip]

That might be possible

But probably no diving as pz has it

[reef relic]

Terrible shame

Actually if there's no diving confirmed by the devs, I'll retract any speculating about aquatic animals outside of terrariums.

Crocodilians wouldn't work

[short rover]

Yes they would

Just make them surface swim

[reef relic]

It'd be a little funky without them diving ngl

I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see them in the game, just that I think they're a lot less likely without a proper diving and underwater swimming mechanic.

[shell sonnet]

I don't think they're any less likely, but one can find them less interesting as options

[sinful coyote]

base game zoo tycoon 2 nile crocodile vs zoo tycoon 2 with marine mania nile crocodile

[reef relic]

Do we have any non-dinosaur Mesozoic fauna yet?

[shell sonnet]

Not at the moment

[reef relic]

Not including the upcoming terrarium dudes

[shell sonnet]

But Simosuchus

Then no

[quick ore]

Hopefully with more triassic additions we will get non-dinosaur exhibit animals from the Mesozoic

[fresh ember]

We might be getting Deinosuchus for U18, if that roadmap still holds up.

[reef relic]

Really?

How do we know it's Deinosuchus?

[shell sonnet]

Tea leaves

[reef relic]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-im-gif-19987857

[late swallow]

We're getting at least 2 non-dinosaur mesozoic vivarium animals in u16

[quick ore]

Koolasuchus 🙏

[hollow furnace]

effectively tea leaves lol

But in actuality it's based off the blurred roadmap

[late swallow]

Tea leaves and red string

[shell sonnet]

The devs also had Postosuchus and Placerias/Lisowicia on the old post-EA list

[hollow furnace]

No they didn't

That was a different list

[fresh ember]

That was post-EA/DLC considerations.

[shell sonnet]

fine old post-ea ideas

[hollow furnace]

No, post EA ideas

Which is animals specifically not being considered for EA

[shell sonnet]

I was typing faster than my brain could keep up

The point being is that non-dinos from the mesozoic are being considered one way or another

[hollow furnace]

yep, definitely

[short rover]

Hoping and praying for deinosuchus and kelenken to be in ea

[reef relic]

Ahhh, but they're old ideas and likely not still being seriously considered.

Still, that is a nice list

I'm fond of quite a few of those species

[shell sonnet]

More of things have changed, so they might still be considered or they might have been thrown out. I doubt much has changed from old to new

[short rover]

Source?

Like they could but writing it off is equally weird

[reef relic]

They just said they were old post-EA ideas

[short rover]

Old meaning posted like a year ago

[reef relic]

Plans change a lot over time

[short rover]

So far it’s been entirely correct

[fresh ember]

Well, Mau did show us an updated list that still hasn't been deciphered earlier this year.

[reef relic]

I doubt we'll get everything exactly as listed but I'd hope we see Ambulocetus

[shell sonnet]

Diitcodon

[short rover]

True enough but doesn’t the amount match

[reef relic]

Love that weird thing

[short rover]

Oh yeah trueee I forgor the minis

[shell sonnet]

Also they added more to what's now U16

[reef relic]

Tbf Diictodon could still be somewhere in the unrevealed dudes, I suppose

[short rover]

Nah it doesn’t fit any

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, it's permain, not a dinosaur, not semi-aquatic, nor a tree dweller

[hollow furnace]

Nope

[short rover]

I stand corrected then

[hollow furnace]

There’s more in the new one

[shell sonnet]

Also a lot more color coding

[late swallow]

Where did that thread go

Clump 5, dandelion yellow, I can kinda see that as Bos primigenius?

[left spear]

https://discord.com/channels/173172667623407616/1390166848632520744

Abandoned after the grand total of 3 animals decyphered

[shell sonnet]

I can believe that

[shell sonnet]

I mean Mau did cheat; he covered up the names of a few of them

[late swallow]

We can see the colour of all but 1 - and it seems there's only 1 green

[left spear]

I would imagine an animal from a completely unique group

I could see It being Arthropleura or something like that

[shell sonnet]

Or they represent different statuses/stages

[left spear]

That could make sense but they're mixed up together so i doubt It, would be weird if the different additions were deorganized

[flint sable]

bos primigenius is the only one of those im 100% confident on

[shell sonnet]

who knows; maybe the different groups represent pack ideas. I could see the bottom two being marine and aquatic

[reef relic]

Ooh, y'know which one I'm 100% confident on? Simosuchus. Just got a good feeling about the little guy

[flint sable]

simosuchus is coming next update and has already been directly confirmed

[reef relic]

I AM A PROPHET

[coarse inlet]

also its arms are the most interesting

[coarse inlet]

Didelphodon and Kayentatherium

[coarse inlet]

that's a herbivore

[coarse inlet]

It's not been studied and really needs to be imo

[late swallow]

As noted above, I crossed the names

[silver steeple]

What are they thought to be then

Also aren't there semi-aquatic affinities questionable

[shell sonnet]

Worth noting that Kayentatherium is quite a ways from being a mammal

[coarse inlet]

carnivore and herbivore

[coarse inlet]

not that I know of

[hollow furnace]

Didelphodon would fall under piscivore

[coarse inlet]

why?

[shell sonnet]

hard shelled animals are assumed to be part of its diet

[hollow furnace]

Durophage eating shellfish, which falls under piscivory in PK

[silver steeple]

Piscivore in PK includes hard shelled animals

Lol

[coarse inlet]

I mean, I'd imagine that in Hell Creek the most plentiful hard shelled prey for an animal of its size might be vertebrates

[hollow furnace]

No

[coarse inlet]

but regardless

[coarse inlet]

there's SO MANY turtles dude

[hollow furnace]

There's way more mussels

[silver steeple]

I literally said this right below the message that Phorcys replied to as well lol

[silver steeple]

Kinda hard for there not to be with so much water

[trail moth]

both have been mentioned before but poposaurus and sillosuchus would be neat-o

[shell sonnet]

As for small aquatic mammals that don't eat fish, there's plenty of prehistoric beavers (though I think the most famous one might be too big for the vivarium)

[coarse inlet]

and most of the others arent aquatic

[silver steeple]

Definitely is lol

[shell sonnet]

It's small bear-sized if I recall, it would make sense as an exhibit animal.

[silver steeple]

Yup

[hollow furnace]

I remember when everyone was guessing it for the semi aquatic mammal

[shell sonnet]

The mini or the big one?

[hollow furnace]

big bober

[shell sonnet]

Well, that's clearly not happening unless they're saving it for U19

[hollow furnace]

yes, this was years ago

back when we first learned about a semi aquatic mammal

[silver steeple]

Iirc Mau immediately said that wasn't it and people thought he was lying lmao

[hollow furnace]

Didn't say it wasn't but did say he found it bizarre how much people were guessing

[silver steeple]

Thinking about making one of these for Recent Extinctions specifically cause why not, having a hard time coming up with a lot of stuff that isn't just birds tho lol

Like most of the options I'm coming up with are at an odd size where idk if they would really be minis

[quick ore]

Pig-footed bandicoot

[silver steeple]

That is one of the few mammals I did consider

Went through wikipedia's list of holocene extinctions, specifically 0AD onwards

[quick ore]

that would include madagascar, yes?

[silver steeple]

Yeah

[quick ore]

there's plenty of subfossil lemurs that work for that too

[silver steeple]

I was thinking about one of the sloth lemurs

[quick ore]

giant aye-aye is also an option

[silver steeple]

Don't want too many lemurs either tbf

[hollow furnace]

sea mink

[silver steeple]

Yup had that one too

[silver steeple]

Can I just say what a sad extinction

People didn't even know it existed right under their noses until it was gone

[quick ore]

how about Xenothrix?

the sloth monkey from Jamaica

[flint sable]

true

[quick ore]

there's other options from the caribbean as well

[flint sable]

Labrador duck kinda similar but less so

[flint sable]

I advocate for Megalocnus as small sloth

Megalocnus >>> Nothrotheriops IMO

[quick ore]

no way

[flint sable]

also somewhat related but Megalonyx is peak medium sized sloth

[quick ore]

way too big for a terrarium

[flint sable]

also for really really small sloth Neocnus the goat

[quick ore]

as an exhibit animal though yes

[flint sable]

ye thats what I meant

[quick ore]

ah gotcha sorry

[flint sable]

Neocnus would be good for terrarium tho

since it was semi arboreal probably and roughly the size of modern slothes

but built like a more traditional ground slothe

[silver steeple]

Seems interesting

[silver steeple]

Wish there was a good reference for this thing's size

Though I fear most caribbean fauna may be too old for a RE pack with a cut off of 0 AD

[silver steeple]

Ok found one

This thing is fuckin adorable

Yeah its way too old unfortunately

He'd be perfect for some kind of like Caribbean pack or something tho lol

I think Adzebills are too small to be exhibit animals so they'd probably fit the list

Are there any neat turtles that would be small enough?

It seems like most testudines that have gone extinct in the last 2ky are large tortoises

[flint sable]

how so

[silver steeple]

Because for the list I'm limiting to stuff extinct since 0 AD

[flint sable]

definitely more akin to the extinctions of say, new zealand or madagascar than the late pleistocene extinctions at least in terms of how they occured and roughly when

[flint sable]

oh ok

[silver steeple]

The caribbean sloths all died out long before that

[flint sable]

I personally put the cutoff at like, 4,000-5,000 years ago

[silver steeple]

Nearly 7kya from what I can see

[flint sable]

so essentially most of the megafauna on the mainland had been extinct by that point

but islands were still mostly fine

[quick ore]

huh?

[slow shoal]

recently extinct pack better come with a good amount of birds

[silver steeple]

I may be misremembering but I'm pretty sure Adzebills are smaller than dodos

[slow shoal]

gimmie pigeons and ivory billed woodpeckers and carolina parakeets and o'o's

[flint sable]

ehhhh probably yeah

probably too small

[silver steeple]

Which for ground birds, is where I draw the line for exhibit vs mini

Dodos should be exhibit

[quick ore]

that's as big as a dodo

[silver steeple]

Anything smaller than that gets shoved in the vivi

[flint sable]

although in this recon its definitely shown as quite a bit larger

[quick ore]

if a dodo can be an exhibit animal then so should they

[flint sable]

this is definitely dodo sized here if not larger

adzebills are also really interesting because they were likely pretty much exclusively carnivores

mostly lizards and bugs to be fair, but still

[silver steeple]

Dodo are about a meter tall

[quick ore]

they would be great as cohabs with moas

[silver steeple]

Everything I saw on Adzebills put them at 2/3rds that size

[quick ore]

adzebills aren't really small they just have short legs

[flint sable]

I wonder if given enough evolutionary time they could have, in theory, become larger gracile predators

even big enough to hunt other birds

[quick ore]

oh speaking of recently extinct birds that are on the smaller side

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Island_emu

[flint sable]

thats a really tiny emu lol

also just recently learned apparently theres a feral population of emu in tasmania escaped from an emu farm about 20 years ago

so thats neat

hope they leave them alone

[flint sable]

like this is a super tiny emu

also the fact they were only seperated from the mainland population for about 14,000 years makes that even more impressive

[silver steeple]

What a silly creature

[silver steeple]

Pretty sure the pygmy mammoths of the channel islands were isolated for even shorter

[silver steeple]

Anything on this?

[median relic]

I want to see a lot of the little weird triassic things as minis

hyperodapedon, drepanosaurus, longisquama, mirasaura, skybalonyx, hypuronector, eretmorhipis, sharovipteryx, gigatitan, henodus, eudimorphodon, morganucodon, thrinaxodon

[late swallow]

four Drepanosauromorphs

what material do we have for Skybalonyx

[silver steeple]

Uhhhh

Claw

And technically coprolites found next to it are thought to belong to it

[late swallow]

paper was being a pain so i couldn't grab it

[silver steeple]

Its a cool claw tho

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-chad-gif-18386674

[plush nacelle]

I dont think there was single zoo game, which had deep diving at start

But every single one included at least one croc

And hippo

[silver steeple]

Far too late in the night to care to make an image out of this but I finally made an ok list

Took a lot of searching and deliberation, and I'm still not totally happy with the amount of birds but not much to be done about that when there are so few non-bird options past 0 AD

[abstract compass]

Birds aplenty.

[silver steeple]

• Arboreal
  Megaladapis
  Passenger Pigeon
  Carolina Parakeet
  Gigarcanum
  Laughing Owl

• Terrestrial
  Pig Footed Bandicoot
  Broad Billed Parrot
  Tenerife Giant Rat
  Tenerife Giant Lizard
  Desmodus draculae

• Amphibious
  Sea Mink
  Labrador Duck
  Chendytes
  Bermuda Night Heron
  Lord Howe Swamphen

[quick ore]

I feel like the Ivory Billed Woodpecker would be too divisive of a choice

[silver steeple]

I did consider putting a "too soon to call" limit at like 1950-60

But Ivory Billed Woodpeckers are also pretty iconic

[quick ore]

like no matter what your opinion of it is, it isn't even listed as extinct by some orgs right?

[silver steeple]

Probably the 3rd most iconic flighted bird that's been classified as extinct

[silver steeple]

I mean IUCN kinda has the final call there

Oh huh

IUCN doesn't count it as extinct

[quick ore]

yeah

that's what I mean

[silver steeple]

At least according to the wikipedia article on Ivory Billed Woodpeckers

Meh

I'm too tired to look for a replacement rn

This took far too long

[quick ore]

how about the Laughing Owl?

[silver steeple]

Sure

Just to make Nigel say Laughing Jackass lmfao

I wanted to do some turtles or tortoises

But it was hard to find good size refs for most

The only 2 actual turtles didn't seem like good candidates

[quick ore]

also shouldnt the Broad Billed Parrot be arboreal?

they weren't flightless

[silver steeple]

Meiolania had potential with the New Caledonian remains but those aren't really named nor do they have fantastic dating so its hard to say for sure that they'd be within the limits I set

[silver steeple]

They weren't but everything I saw pointed to them being poor fliers and only really going up into the trees to occassionally forage or nest

[quick ore]

right

[silver steeple]

So long as the terrestrial vivi doesn't have some odd limit on stuff just not being able to fly it'd be fine imo

[plush nacelle]

Megaladapis could work the same way as koala do in PZ

Just give it special enrichment tree

[silver steeple]

Meh

I feel that wouldn't do it justice

And it barely hits 1.5m so

Ftr, I don't think the way that PZ koala is does them justice either

[plush nacelle]

People would absolutely hate, if it was put in vivarium

Its size of small bear

[silver steeple]

They can deal with it

[plush nacelle]

I guess it does mean archaeoindris in vivarium

[silver steeple]

No?

Archaeoindris spent way more time on the ground lol

[silver steeple]

I don't know of any adult bears this size

https://share.google/images/pfyNAiK5Wlw18gR8X

[hollow flower]

Ursus minimus

[signal ember]

I like that list, but I think that one or two animals can be cut/replaced from each category, as they don't brings somthing new in terms of appearance or ecology, and seem to be just there for the quota.

[faint oak]

THE WIDDLE GUY

[plush nacelle]

While more reliable 85kg estimate might feel not so impresive for adult bear this is size ball park for something like sloth bear, giant panda, many smaller subspecies like japanese black or even females as in spectacled bear case. Not everything is big as grizzly or polar

Not to mention way bigger than sun bear

I said ,,small,, bear for a reason lol

[late swallow]

now that's a drop bear

[plush nacelle]

Thats smallest species

Imagine the big one

[plush nacelle]

Idk. For me it is just silly to assume megaladapis would need to be vivarium critter, because climbing or doing justice. Most people obviously would prefer it to be habitat animal and there is no strong reason against it like small size or unusual terrestrial movement. I believe one enrichment tree is going to be satysfying solution.

Besides what having it as vivarium animal would even accomplish from climbing side of things. I doubt animal would perform crazy suspension or leaping behaviors

The only thing going on is that time spent on tree, which can be easily done by devs making it using special tree more or for longer periods

[silver steeple]

Man you're making way too big a deal out of my personal opinion on what I think is best for an animal

I put it there because it fit the criteria of
A) being extinct in the last 2ky
B) it's unique as an arboreal animal

Could it be a regular exhibit? Sure whatever

I simply like it more as a vivarium because I think that suits it better

[silver steeple]

Well what would you cut and replace? I tried to go with as much variety and as little controversy as possible within the last 2 thousand years (which cuts out quite a few of the more unique stuff like mekosuchus or the mole duck of which both I really wanted to put on there)

[left spear]

There's actually some evidence that points towards Tenerife giant lizards still being extant

Great choice either way

[silver steeple]

Interesting, haven't seen anything about that

I think you run that risk with quite a few RE minis so I don't think it's too big a deal

[left spear]

Oh yeah the evidence isn't desive by any means but still like a real possibility

[left spear]

Way Higher than lets say Thylacinus or Ivorie

[steep tulip]

Oh damn what
That's massive

[left spear]

Yeah

It has slightly smaller living relatives

On the other canaries

All extant species of Canarian giant lizards are CR iirc

[steep tulip]

I think some of the smaller one living on the bigger island aren't doing so bad

[sharp dock]

gallotia goliath mentioned!!!!!11111111111

[left spear]

Oh yeah most of galliota species are fine

But of the 3 biggest 1 is extinct and the other are CR

The smaller ones like the one from Lanzarote are LC

The Canaries have a lot of mini potential people don't realize about

Reminds if Mauritius when you put Raphus apart

[steep tulip]

Mauritius got the big parrot and the giant skink that would be cool to see ingame

[left spear]

Also i forgot about this i think Bolyeria multocarinata (Round island burrowing boa) would be a fun mini, a smaller but still unique snake great for island sections, hell you could probably cohabitate It with adult Dodos

[left spear]

You could make a whole DLC just based off Mauritius and it's surrounding islands, no need to even add Madagascar

[silver steeple]

I did consider that one

There was some reason I didn't go with it that I can't remember now

[quick ore]

I still want them to include the extinct genus of Mauritius tortoises to cohab with the dodo

[wild relic]

Frrrr

They always got overshadowed by the dodo

[slim flare]

Dodo will cohabit with woolly mammoth

[left spear]

And Smilodon

[quick ore]

melon enrichment item

[left spear]

Btw i was looking for more cool Macaronesian animals and i just found out there were Auk population in Madeira, idk why but that just blew my mind

[silver steeple]

Yeah I came across that too

Apparently they got as far south as the Moroccan coast

[quick ore]

https://x.com/XtinctDesign/status/1432099591042658308?t=qnH3kcx108SZZGggXTpq5g&s=19

XtinctDesign (@XtinctDesign)

Two aggressive male Saddle-backed Mauritius giant tortoise(Cylindraspis inepta) size each other up whilst a small group of Dodo(Raphus cucullatus) feed in the background.

#dodo #cylindraspisinepta #paleoart #blender3d

X · Aug 29, 2021, 9:55 PM

this setup would be so peak

[silver steeple]

[quick ore]

what's stimma

[silver steeple]

Especially if we get a mini or two that we can fake being in there too

[silver steeple]

I don't think there's any specific meaning but it's the PK version of "Real"

[quick ore]

can also get the Solitaire as an alt for the dodo in lieu of it having alternate skins

[silver steeple]

It would be so awesome

I think you could arguably do at least 2 skins for dodos

[quick ore]

like an inaccurate one?

[silver steeple]

The real one and the common misinterpreted one

Yeah

[quick ore]

maybe

feels like something the devs wouldn't do now

[silver steeple]

I don't really see 3 skins working either way

[median relic]

would free roaming dodos work

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/you-just-never-know-dwayne-johnson-seven-bucks-the-rock-you-cant-tell-gif-21864064

[quick ore]

in any case, 2 tortoise species, the dodo and the solitaire would be peak

for exhibit animals

plus, making the tortoises makes future tortoises easier to make

[silver steeple]

One tortoise sp from Mauritius for dodos and one from Rodrigues for the solitaire.....

[quick ore]

true!

[silver steeple]

Oh dang these are actually their own genus

For some reason I thought they were aldabrachelys

[quick ore]

one domed species and one saddle backed species

nope

they were their own thing

makes it extra sad

[silver steeple]

They're all Cylindraspis yeah

[quick ore]

I really do think that adding Cylindraspis with the Dodo isn't mentioned enough

[silver steeple]

I feel like I've seen it a couple times

[quick ore]

Maybe they can even be added later as alts for a different dlc that includes like, Megalochelys or something

[silver steeple]

Man for being closely related, these tortoises have some very differently shaped shells

Starting to wonder if alts would actually work very well in this case

[quick ore]

hrmmm

I mean frankly I would be happy if we even got one

if they wanted maybe they could just add 2 of the saddle backed species or something

[silver steeple]

Even both of the saddle backed species look pretty different

At least in shell shape

[quick ore]

hrmmm

well, like I said, even one species would make me happy

[silver steeple]

Same

I hope they're able to do alts

But looking at these I'm not sure it's really feasible

Reunion Giant Tortoise

Mauritius Saddle backed

Rodrigues Domed

Rodrigues saddlebacked

[quick ore]

if I had to choose any single one I think mauritius saddle backed would be my choice

[silver steeple]

Mauritius domed and saddle backed might be able to be alts

[quick ore]

(especially since Lonesome George's species isn't actually extinct)

[silver steeple]

Lemme find a better picture

[quick ore]

so it would work as a stand in that is much more conclusively extinct

[late swallow]

this thing always looks so weird

[left spear]

The saddest part of making these types of wishlista are all the cool obscure weirdos you know will never make It into the game

[quick ore]

yeah

[left spear]

Rest in peace Round island burrowing boa you will always be my favorite small snake to add

[left spear]

Gosh all of this is just making me want to make a park only with obscure recently extinct island fauna

Also tbh for the Indian ocean turtles i think you could just make them all alts of eachother

[silver steeple]

Ok I don't think this one is saddle backed actually

[left spear]

Might not be the most accurate thing but i don't think It would really be bad in any way

[silver steeple]

The saddle backed have a higher point on the shell over the neck

[left spear]

We already have wilder alts

[silver steeple]

It's definitely a fucked taxidermy

[silver steeple]

We really don't tho

At least not in the main body

[plush nacelle]

Solitaire different a lot

[quick ore]

it's sad that I highly doubt Cylindraspis will get in to the RE pack (depending on its roster size) but I do hope that if a different extinct tortoise gets added later then it can be made as an alt for it

[plush nacelle]

I didnt expect solitaire to be this big

28kg of bird lol

[silver steeple]

I could see it pretty easily replacing the sea cow or Haast ngl

Cause otherwise there won't be a single formation bonus in the whole pack lol

[plush nacelle]

Quagga and bluebuck

[left spear]

Honestly personally i 100% replace Quagga for one of the tortoises

[plush nacelle]

Quagga is alt so

You would need to replace wild horse

[left spear]

Honestly

Maybe

Would rather have one of the actual american horses instead

[silver steeple]

Nah quagga is fine imo

[left spear]

Idk, i dislike It also out of principle

[silver steeple]

Bluebuck I'm not super attached to but we do kinda need hoofstock

[left spear]

If we add Quagga we can also add things like Cape or Atlas lions

[silver steeple]

That's just wild horse lol

[left spear]

Which like

[silver steeple]

Equus ferus

[left spear]

Nah

[plush nacelle]

But then I dont think there will be enough slots in DLC for bluebuck lmao

[silver steeple]

It was a 10 slot originally

[left spear]

I mean let's be generous and say 6 spots

[silver steeple]

No reason to believe that's not still the case

[plush nacelle]

There is. Animals are far more advanced now. I mean devs wanted apparently to include 50 of them at once

[left spear]

I don't confident they have enough resources for a 10 species dlc

Without It being like 20€

[silver steeple]

Someone (I think it was Rebecca?) pointed out how they could do bluebuck with a skin and alts

[plush nacelle]

Blue buck gray buck and black buck 🗿

[silver steeple]

We're now way over that so why does that matter lol

[plush nacelle]

Imo expecting 10 animals in DLC now is lowkey ridiculous unless devs are going to make 1 DLC per 7 months or so

[silver steeple]

That's just silly tbh

[left spear]

I mean tbh i'm expecting like 5-6 months per 5 species dlc tbh

[silver steeple]

Animals take the least amount of time of anything that the devs do

[quick ore]

formation bonuses for the RE pack should be from either Mauritius, Madagascar, or NZ if there will be any
I feel like having them be the Quagga and Bluebuck would be a waste, there's so many more interesting hoofstock options to add instead of the Bluebuck

[left spear]

Also Blue Meridian isn't only PK, i would image after launch they would start even if only superficially with another game

[silver steeple]

They cranked out Ovi in less than 2 months

[silver steeple]

Unfortunately Quagga at least is already confirmed

[quick ore]

OH or Hawaii

[silver steeple]

So not much to do about that one

[quick ore]

no I didnt mean no Quagga

[left spear]

In the original pack we would get Moa and Haasts but that most likely not the case anymore

[quick ore]

I want the Quagga in too and I think it is a great option

I just don't think the Bluebuck should get in

[left spear]

Bluebuck is like thrice as unique as quagga

[quick ore]

just have it be either other moa species or an Adzebill

the Quagga is wayyy more iconic though

[left spear]

I wasn't really counting other moas but okey fair

[silver steeple]

Bluebuck at least adds more hoofstock, beyond that idrc

[left spear]

Adzbill would be fun but i think not enough for a RE slot

[quick ore]

my choice would be adding the Quagga and replacing the Bluebuck with any number of other options

[left spear]

Which?

[quick ore]

what we have suggested previously?

there's so many

[buoyant zephyr]

Tenerife mentioned lets goooo 🇮🇨

It has so many interesting extinct fauna no one talks about

[silver steeple]

Island so nice you say it twice

[left spear]

All of the canaries

Really the whole Macaronesian archipelago

[plush nacelle]

Lets not forget by time PK releases there might be new contenders for RE pack

[left spear]

None of those would get a spot

[quick ore]

um

what

[silver steeple]

Yeah no

[left spear]

Like the only one worthy would be Vaquita but that's an aquatic

[silver steeple]

Anything extinct in the last like 50 years or so is too contentious

[left spear]

I mean

[quick ore]

oh hey that means the Ibex is disqualified yayyyy

[left spear]

I think Baiji would be fair

Same with the paddlefish

[silver steeple]

If we get aquatics maybe

But I'm going under the assumption we don't

[left spear]

Was anyone really counting It besides the It would be funny point

Like it's a subspecies/population

Although we are getting an orange zebra so i Guess It would fit

[quick ore]

Quagga will always be worth adding both because of its popularity and because it would be So easy to add with any other extinct Equus species

[silver steeple]

Which it is being

So like

Both points checked lol

[left spear]

Logic cannot put down my hate for Quagga

Popularity only out of circumstance

[silver steeple]

I mean

That's the case for most RE stuff lol

Like passenger pigeon

[left spear]

Passenger is really the only one that is also like that

If Quagga has gone extinct on the 1600's no one would give a shit about ot

[silver steeple]

Carolina Parakeet

[silver steeple]

I mean

[quick ore]

people literally only ever suggest the Ibex out of the circumstances of it going extinct twice

[left spear]

Also i like Passenger since it's probably the only pigeon we are gonna get

[silver steeple]

Aurochs

[left spear]

Same with Carolina parakeet

[plush nacelle]

There is tibetan population of giant salamanders, which is most likely separate species and dead by this point

[silver steeple]

Ok and Quagga is probably the only horse we're gonna get lmfao

[quick ore]

ok I doubt that

the la brea horses have a good shot

[silver steeple]

That's the quagga alt lmao

[left spear]

Yeah we are probably getting harrintong hippus or some of the others

[silver steeple]

Equus ferus

[quick ore]

that's what I mean though

[silver steeple]

I think y'all don't know the meaning of probably

[left spear]

Not really keen on Aurochs either tbh

[hollow furnace]

Passanger, Carolina Parakeet, Ivory Billed Woodpecker, Kauaʻi ʻōʻō (there are dozens of extinct Hawaiian birds but people care both that one solely for the song), Aurochs,

[slim flare]

Dodo

[silver steeple]

If any of those were extant, no one would care

[left spear]

What

Dodo is an extremely unique animal on its own

[amber field]

Western horse, just my hope for getting

[slim flare]

Ehhhh… passenger pigeon flocks are kinda insane, and Carolina parakeets would probably be rather popular as the most Northern parrot

[left spear]

Its not a weird colored chicken that got popular because It went extinct just when people started to care about conservation

[slim flare]

Western horse is dubious

[steep tulip]

🐎 🐎 🐎
This is what it feels like to like the zebra

[silver steeple]

If passengers were alive today they wouldn't be in those massive flocks tho

[left spear]

Passenger atleast has the flocks even if It suffers from that too, the others i still consider secondary additions like Quagga.

[plush nacelle]

True. People would see pigeon as any other pigeon

[silver steeple]

And no one cares about the parrots that still exist in the US, so I can't imagine that changing for the Carolina Parakeet

[slim flare]

Idk

[plush nacelle]

Carolina parakeet on the other hand would be probably popular pet

[silver steeple]

The ecology they relied on no longer exists, and was extremely fragmented by the time they went extinct

[slim flare]

But if they were still alive

[silver steeple]

They'd likely be small pops in places mostly untouched like national parks

[left spear]

And honestly as iconic as It is i'm extremely skeptical about Kaua'i 'ō'ō' being an actual good addition besides having a corvid

[silver steeple]

Wouldn't change the destruction of their habitat

They relied heavily on American Chestnuts

Which are barely alive today

[slim flare]

Yes

[amber field]

Really ?! , which specie is valid in la Brea ?

[slim flare]

Equus ferus and Haringtonhippus francisci

The only two confirmed equine species in Late Pleistocene North America

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dumbass-missed-point-stupid-gif-5785598

[amber field]

This is an interesting one ...

[slim flare]

Unlikely patterning

[silver steeple]

I thought stripes were believed to be basal to horses?

[quick ore]

I think as far as modern horses go Hippidion isn't that unlikely of an addition

it got beeg nose

[slim flare]

Yeah but not like that

[amber field]

Of course, it's just speculation

[slim flare]

Equine stripes disappear from the rump first

[silver steeple]

Ah interesting

[slim flare]

Neck and legs are the last places they leave

Besides the dorsal stripe

[silver steeple]

Is there a good rendition of what you believe to be a reasonable pattern?

[quick ore]

I like how donkeys have striped leggings

like programmers

[slim flare]

I don’t exactly know their habitat, but somewhere in the range of known equines is more likely

[plush nacelle]

So zebras living in colder regions have thiner stripes

[slim flare]

Mainly just less stripes

[silver steeple]

Probably because there are less flies

[slim flare]

Wild horse did the same thing

[plush nacelle]

But then we have mountain zebra

[silver steeple]

Their habitat was basically the entire Great Plains from Yukon to southern Mexico

Think of basically anywhere you could find a bison in pleistocene north america lol

[slim flare]

So probably similar to wild horse

[silver steeple]

Probably yeah

[slim flare]

Were they browsers or grazers?

[silver steeple]

Graze

[plush nacelle]

Stripy stripy

[silver steeple]

Dental wear shows similar to modern horses

[slim flare]

Odd but wild horse do tend to mimic conspecific equines

[silver steeple]

Tbh their patterns probably shifted geographically

[slim flare]

Well of course

[silver steeple]

Less stripes up north, more down south

[slim flare]

Plains zebras and wild horse both shift a lot

[quick ore]

do we have any rock/cave paintings of equines in the americas?

[silver steeple]

Lots of skin potential with that

[silver steeple]

Yeah that's what I'm kinda getting at

[slim flare]

Afaik no, and even if we did it wouldn’t be of use

Europe is pretty uniquely detailed and accurate in its rock art. Africa comes in second.

[silver steeple]

We barely have rock/cave paintings in the Americas

[quick ore]

ik we have the ground sloth one

[silver steeple]

The ones we do have are a lot more "crude" than those in europe

[quick ore]

and potentially the extinct llama?

[slim flare]

It’s not really confirmed a ground sloth

[quick ore]

apparently the less detailed ones in Europe are the later ones too

[plush nacelle]

There is some in Australia and NZ

[slim flare]

It could be a bear or nearly anything else

[quick ore]

people just started getting into abstract stuff

[plush nacelle]

But cant name single one from NA

[slim flare]

But they kinda suck

Australia especially where its nearly never clear what exactly they depict

[plush nacelle]

Better than nothing

[slim flare]

Is it?

[quick ore]

it's crazy how oral legends seem to indicate that Thylacoleo had stripes too

[slim flare]

I put absolutely no faith in oral tradition of Pleistocene extinct species and so should you

[quick ore]

or at least that something besides Thylacines and Numbats did

[steep tulip]

I mean yeah
As bad they may seem to us, its their record still

[coarse inlet]

Australian oral tradition tends to be extremely accurate about things we can test

[silver steeple]

I mean that makes logical sense, it evolved in areas with lots of cover

[coarse inlet]

I think it's absolutely a line of evidence that is valid

[slim flare]

From +20,000 years ago?

[quick ore]

yeah there are even oral traditions of how they hunted extinct megafauna

Ha-Satan they take this very seriously

[slim flare]

So?

[coarse inlet]

I wouldnt call it conclusive but it's valuable data which should be taken seriously

[slim flare]

It’s a game of telephone spanning tens of thousands of years.

[plush nacelle]

Couldnt people in america draw mastodon or something 🥀

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We have like a few possible sites

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most north american peoples tended to have a pretty stylized art style

[plush nacelle]

Proper ground sloth cave art will feed us

[steep tulip]

Complete ground sloth mummy come to us

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it's important to remember that realism is a stylistic choice that has gone in and out of fashion all over the world

[plush nacelle]

It is waiting in remote part of andes

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I feel like you are severely underestimating their ability to retain information in this way

[slim flare]

I think you severely overestimate it

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I mean if it's something we can test and the test comes up with validity for the claim

That extends validity to other claims

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How do we test it?

[silver steeple]

They should still be tested, that's just good science

But it's not as if they're making everything up

[silver steeple]

Depends on the claim

But if it's something like appearance, DNA testing would yield some results

[slim flare]

Why?

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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/sep/16/indigenous-australian-storytelling-records-sea-level-rises-over-millenia

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Why does that add to authenticity

[quick ore]

what do you mean

[plush nacelle]

The fact these people could draw this in such detail, but not thylacoleo 🥀

[late swallow]

they weren't furries

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also, that image and Thylacoleo are separated by a LOT of time

the culture wasnt just static

[silver steeple]

I was about to say lol

[quick ore]

side note isn't it crazy how we have elephant bird eggs found in Australia

[late swallow]

then why bring them up?

[quick ore]

like they just floated across the ocean to there

[silver steeple]

What a weird thing

We're sure they're elephant bird eggs?

[quick ore]

yes

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HUH?!

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We don’t?

[quick ore]

yes we do

[slim flare]

You mean Genyornis?

[late swallow]

sounds like Coconuts

[silver steeple]

Do you have an article or something? I'm interested to hear more

To Ivy

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Two whole eggs have been found in dune deposits in southern Western Australia, one in the 1930s (the Scott River egg) and one in 1992 (the Cervantes egg); both have been identified as Aepyornis maximus rather than Genyornis newtoni, an extinct giant bird known from the Pleistocene of Australia. It is hypothesized that the eggs floated from Madagascar to Australia on the Antarctic Circumpolar Current. Evidence supporting this is the finding of two fresh penguin eggs that washed ashore on Western Australia but may have originated in the Kerguelen Islands, and an ostrich egg found floating in the Timor Sea in the early 1990s.[5]

[plush nacelle]

True, although even back then they did some crazy art

[quick ore]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_bird

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http://museum.wa.gov.au/research/records-supplements/records/cervantes-egg-early-malagsy-tourist-australia

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I'd like to see if we could get DNA from those eggs and cross reference with Aepyornis

[quick ore]

it makes sense though

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That's the entire Indian ocean to cross

[quick ore]

Aepyornis is thought to have laid its eggs along beaches

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they did reference the microtexture and such

also ostrich eggs have been found floating in the middle of the ocean

[silver steeple]

Are those wholly unique in birds?

[quick ore]

lol wait can you imagine if that antarctic "Mosasaur Egg" was actually a result of something like this

[silver steeple]

That would be pretty funny

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The discovery of the Scott River egg caused quite a stir. Doubt was immediately cast on its authenticity. After all, how could a large egg float across the Indian Ocean and be washed up on a beach intact? Despite this incredible scenario, the
identification of the egg as an Aepyornis, based on its surface texture, microstructure and overall size, appears most likely. Williams and Rich (1996) cast
doubt on its identification as being from an Aepyornis, yet the study of the second egg, from Cervantes, confirms its identity as also Aepyornis. The discovery of the second Australian Aepyornis egg, from Cervantes, lends support to the drifting egg hypothesis. However, most convincing evidence comes from the recovery of two fresh King Penguin (Aptenodytes patagonicus) eggs on Western Australian beaches, which must have come from one of the subantarctic islands such as the Kerguelen Islands, some 2000 km away from Australia.

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I wonder why Aus is such a hotspot for this phenomenon

[silver steeple]

Those Ostrich eggs were found near Timor, just north of Aus too

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currents

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I mean yeah obviously

But ocean currents don't seem to favor that

If anything it favors the other direction

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this makes me wonder, could any egg transported like this survive? Not this long of a distance but shorter

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it could be a way that some animals have dispersed in the past

[silver steeple]

No, they'd drown or dry up from the salt in sea water

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that totally favors it though?

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It doesn't

The entire western coast of Aus forces downward

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Would be crazy but plausible I guess

[late swallow]

Leeuwin Current is v strong

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Has anyone mentioned Disney’s Dinosaur yet?

[late swallow]

idk but i love the movie

[silver steeple]

That's not where the eggs were found

It explicitly says they were found along the western coast

Not southern

[late swallow]

that's uh

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Still not a favorable journey

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more importantly

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I could see it maybe getting stuck off the W Aus Coast current near Malaysia and floating around before getting caught in Leeuwin

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the Leeuwin current is strongly seasonal

Its strength varies through the year; it is weakest during the summer months (winter in the northern hemisphere) from November to March when the winds tend to blow strongly from the south west northwards.

[silver steeple]

Man we've strewn way off topic here lol

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true

[late swallow]

dont we always

[silver steeple]

True!

Anyway

New prompt

Make a 10 slot RE DLC with 2 minis and 8 exhibit animals, cutoff at like 3000BCE

Extra challenge for those who wish to have a little more fun, try to use at least 1 of every diet type

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idk I'm not super hyped about recently extinct stuff tbh

[silver steeple]

Then don't do it

[late swallow]

Pardon, teach, aquatics/fliers on the table?

[silver steeple]

I'll say no for this one (except for vivi obviously)

But if you wanna make a second with those included, go for it

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hold on now i wanna make a list with this number

[quick ore]

what are those again?

and do terrarium species have diet types

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Herbivore, frugivore, insectivore, piscivore, carnivore

[quick ore]

gotcha

[late swallow]

looking at the trello, looks like they will

[silver steeple]

Stuff like seeds falls under frugivore, crustaceans and mollusc under piscivore

[silver steeple]

Yes

[hollow furnace]

Passenger pigeon (vivarium) (frugivore/insectivore) (probably more frugivore but unsure how to put it)
Ivory-billed woodpecker (vivarium) (insectivore)
Aurochs (herbivore)
Dodo (frugivore)
Elephant Bird (herbivore)
Great Auk (piscivore)
Moa (herbivore)
Quagga (herbivore)
Thylacine (carnivore)
Warrah (carnivore)

[late swallow]

psst add Frugi to moa

[hollow furnace]

I'm going with main diet

[abstract compass]

[silver steeple]

Warrah is an interesting pick

[hollow furnace]

I like the doggy

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Which moa?

[hollow furnace]

one or more of them

[silver steeple]

Helps highlight the lack of carnivores in an RE pack ngl

[hollow furnace]

at least one big one

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Warrah with mainland population

Kinda want bluebuck for quagga friend

But overall good list

[silver steeple]

That's a good point ngl, I didn't realize they overlapped almost completely

[hollow furnace]

I'd honestly probably go Carolina parakeet over Ivory billed woodpecker (I just like the pretty colours and it could probably use the same animations and rig as pigeon) but I wanted to win Boi's challenge

[silver steeple]

Lol fair

[slim flare]

Ivory-billed woodpecker still extant…

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not for long

https://tenor.com/view/reload-shotgun-dale-gribble-rusty-shackleford-king-of-the-hill-gif-15641945943961425415

[silver steeple]

I would probably pick Gigarcanum for that purpose

Plus funny lizard

[hollow furnace]

true, would be funky

[late swallow]

halfway there

[slim flare]

I like how people used it to support a cryptid for decades

[hollow furnace]

On a semi-related note, I wonder if vivarium animals will have multiple diets now, like full exhibit animals

[silver steeple]

I could see it

[slim flare]

I mean judging by the icons yes

[silver steeple]

Would be nice

The icons don't tell us anything but main diet

[hollow furnace]

as in like mixed diets, like microraptor having fish+meat+insects as a diet for example

[slim flare]

Yeah misread

[hollow furnace]

as there are apparently zero insect fossils from Jiufotang what

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Lmfao

I think its fair to call it partially insectivorous regardless

[slim flare]

Hadn’t evolved yet

[silver steeple]

If nothing else, its a reference to PP

Iirc we have a microraptor with a eaten fish found inside or smth

[hollow furnace]

yep

And one with a bird

[silver steeple]

So there we go

[slim flare]

Absolute beast

[hollow furnace]

and one with a mammal

[silver steeple]

Taking generalist to the extreme

Bro was just eating

[slim flare]

Scared?

Now imagine the giant microraptorine…

[quick ore]

question: is it likely for Aurochs to be added anyway in some other dlc or as a free update instead of in the RE dlc

[silver steeple]

Changyuraptor......

[silver steeple]

Probably not

[quick ore]

kk

[slim flare]

Bison will hopefully come post-EA… unless…

[quick ore]

RE DLC:

1. Quagga w/ Equus ferus alt (herbivore)
2. Dodo (frugivore)
3. Thylacine (carnivore)
4. Moa (Dinornis) w/ Megalapteryx alt (herbivore)
5. Great Auk (piscivore)
6. Archaeoindris (herbivore)
7. Aurochs (herbivore)
8. Aepyornis (herbivore)
9. Kauaʻi mole duck (insectivore) (Vivarium)
10. Passenger Pigeon (frugivore) (Vivarium)

oops forgot they were called Vivariums

[slim flare]

The Rodrigues solitaire is way distinct from the dodo

[quick ore]

how so

just beak size or

[silver steeple]

Its pretty distinct unfortunately

[slim flare]

Proportions

[quick ore]

dang alright

I also wanted to fit in Cylindraspis but idk if any of the choices could be substituted with it

[slim flare]

If Deinosuchus comes U18, we could have that gharial

[silver steeple]

Hanyusuchus?

I'd love to have it