Community Species Suggestions

[quick ore]

being a very complete therizinosaur

[silver steeple]

Cyrto literally has Nasuto

[shell sonnet]

I'm not referring to that one

[ancient ibex]

tubicens

[silver steeple]

And regardless if the crest is wrong or not, it was a design choice for variety

[shell sonnet]

I'm talking about Charon

[silver steeple]

Meh

Charon is neat

[quick ore]

are there any ceratopsians that would make for good cohab exhibits?

[silver steeple]

Tubicen doesn't really provide much that Charon doesn't

[quick ore]

like with other ceratopsians

[ancient ibex]

Charono with Tlatophus' crest was a neat maneuver ngl

[toxic oriole]

Alright, so now I see it

Tubicens is the other member of Parasaurolophus

And Charonosaurus is probably the fourth one

Keyword on probably

or something

[shell sonnet]

We have the crest of tubicens

[toxic oriole]

Aight lets see... How many members are in the genus name of any specific animal that is currently ingame, or upcoming?

[shell sonnet]

Did they change it for PK? I remember it still looking rather walkeri-esque.

[coarse inlet]

Apatosaurus louisae
Dryosaurus elderae
Several Torvosaurus sp. from Africa and South America
Many Mammuthus species
Tyrannosaurus macraensis
Smilodon gracilis
Brontosaurus parvus
Brontosaurus yahnahpin
Parasaurolophus tubicen
Lambeosaurus magnicristatus
Protoceratops hellenikorhinus

Those are the ones I remember

Currently in the game at least

I’m sure there are more

[coarse inlet]

Yeah

It’s very Tlatlophus like now

[feral cedar]

mcraeensis wasn’t even described when PK first entered EA

[coarse inlet]

Tubicen is funny because it means “trumpeter” but was named before that use for the crest was widely accepted

[coarse inlet]

I didn’t say it was

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/please-begging-please-i-beg-of-you-guy-being-held-back-guy-reaching-for-camera-gif-15577185752392215142

I need more alts

[coarse inlet]

Oh also there’s like 10 more psittacos

[silver steeple]

Yeah and it's the same as walkeri

As was Charon until a couple updates ago

[feral cedar]

I’m assuming this is a list of alt species you’d like to see?

[late swallow]

Paleopedia art still needs updated

[feral cedar]

There’s a bunch of website renders that need updating ngl

torvo and charono got tweaked

and I’m pretty sure Smilodon populator, the Camarasaurus trio, Tarbosaurus, and Edmontosaurus annectens all received tweaks to make them stand out more

[shell sonnet]

so does the website

[coarse inlet]

It’s clearly not?

Like similar length sure but way more bulbous

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/phrasing-archer-gif-10233200

[silver steeple]

In all practical sense it is lol

[reef relic]

My poor favorite iguanodontian

Barring legitimate suggestion, if you could put any animal into PK what would it be?

I know we have a pretty high level of ceratopsian and ornithopod representation, but I would shamelessly put Tenontosaurus or Einiosaurus into the game. My boys ✨

[vivid field]

does it have to be just one

cause if not i want Dacentrurus, Ceratosaurus, and Hatzegopteryx

[late swallow]

D. armatus or D. longicollum?

[autumn plover]

You can do that with Penta though, or any ceratopsian for that matter

[slim flare]

Yeah but other ceratopsians aren’t Torosaurus

[autumn plover]

Fail to see the issue with that

[late swallow]

It's the opposite of one, tbh

[vivid field]

armatus

[late swallow]

Both were good choices

[late swallow]

My die-hard choice is confirmed for the game, so I'm gonna toss Cryolophosaurus.

Not exactly sure what you mean by "Barring legitimate suggestion "

[shell sonnet]

Longicollum's the only one we actually have the neck of though

[hollow furnace]

Champsosaurus

My boy

[reef relic]

I mean I said one, but I did break my own rules lol

[reef relic]

I mean yeah but given PK's approach to multiple species under the same genus, we could totally get away with saying both as alternate skins

[vivid field]

yeah but armatus sounds cooler

[shell sonnet]

Unless you're ten or younger, that shouldn't matter

[steep tulip]

Well it's still up in the air if miragaia is indeed dacentrurus it seems
So it shouldn't matter either way

[reef relic]

What's your die-hard choice?

[late swallow]

Bad

[late swallow]

Allosaurus

[shell sonnet]

If they're different enough, it kind of does. I don't want Dacentrurus if it turns out its neck isn't as relatively long

[steep tulip]

I mean it probably was
They were definitely closely related, the question is more so how close exactly

We also have a couple of cervical vertebrae from dacen holotype

[shell sonnet]

We have 3

and none of them are attached to the others

[reef relic]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-and-jerrys-vanilla-ice-cream-ice-cream-vanilla-ben-and-jerrys-ice-cream-gif-10378410566141128290

[late swallow]

It be like that

Like peep my pfp lmao

[trail moth]

anteosaurus, i can't name a single super relevant media depiction of it off the top of my head

[vivid field]

it was a joke and an opinion nonetheless?

[reef relic]

Lmao fair, fair

Allo's gonna look sick in-game, I hope they do three different species

[late swallow]

I have been autistic about Allosaurus ever since i first watched Ballad of Big Al on my grandad's vcr

[late swallow]

do i have fantastic news for you

[reef relic]

Oh nice, I knew they planned to originally but I didn't know if that was still the plan

[late swallow]

four

[feral cedar]

“it is imperative the cylinder remains unharmed”

caught that reference

[reef relic]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-smirk-shrek-horny-shrek-shrek-gif-lmao-gif-10009820640929292677

[buoyant vault]

my most wanted animal (carno) is already confirmed BUT

i would absolutely adore alioramus or qianzhousaurus

austroraptor and sivatherium would be cool too, MAYBE dire wolves as well

[abstract compass]

yang gang

[left spear]

15h and 14min without a message

I think this might be a record

[abstract compass]

i saw it and had to ruin it.

[late swallow]

16 and 14

Carry the 1

If my math is working

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[left spear]

There's a reason why i swapped from scientific bachelor to social

[late swallow]

Yeah it worked

[steep tulip]

Diplocaulus
Sinosauropteryx
Anchiornis
Deinogaleryx
Acanthostega
Heterodontosaurus
Eilenodon
Mesosaurus
Any rhynchosaur
Drepanosaurus
Coelurosauravus
Diictodon
Thrinaxodon (or any cynodont for that matter)
Lepticidium
Rapenomamus
Halszkaraptor (especially if aquatic)
Suminia
Scutellosaurus
Gigarcanum
Passenger pigeon
Mekosuchus (could also work as a full exhibit species considering its pretty big)
Pterodactylus
Anurognathus/jehelopterus
Didelphodon
Darwinius

[sinful coyote]

no mononykus

[steep tulip]

There's a lot of others that I didn't include, but I would say this a minis roster I would be quite happy with
Skipped out invertebrates and snakes and bigger stuff since those might work differently too

[steep tulip]

Mononykus smells bad

[sinful coyote]

[flint sable]

honestly based list

[steep tulip]

Kept it limited mostly to better known stuff, I would probably include more crocodylomorps and smaller mammals but idk how many chances they got lol

(Exception being deinogaleryx but I really really want it)

[neat iris]

They would need to make a really big vivarium for Titanoboa

I can’t really see it being a regular exhibit animal

[late swallow]

we're getting some really big vivaria

[hollow furnace]

The large terrarium (8x12) is basically exactly the size requirements of keeping a Titanoboa, scaling up modern snake requirements

[shell sonnet]

Okay, some suggestions:

Use Kuehneosuchus instead of Coelurosauravus for a gliding "lizard"; it's slightly bigger at a length of 72 cm but a wingspan of about 40-56 cms.

Leaving out Ceratogaulus is a crime. You left out Lystro as well and no I don't care that there are big fully habitat species; the best studied, the most commonly found and the type species are the smaller Triassic only ones that only work in a vivarium.

Also there's no fish here.

[sinful coyote]

snakes don't need an excessive amount of space in general

[shell sonnet]

Otherwise it's a good list

[smoky spear]

ez kept this chat active

in addition most people would get bored after dumping out their wishlist anyway

[steep tulip]

I feel like diictodon is better known than smaller lystro so I put that one instead

[shell sonnet]

I doubt that, mostly because I think you're overestimating how well known diictodon. Also Dominion.

[amber field]

I think this post Contain every known extinct life forms by humans

[crimson anvil]

Even tho Irratator is a VERY fragmented specimen. I WOULD like to revive it simply cause I think it’d be a fantastic end to its story. Like think about it

“Oh, fossil poachers found this new fossil but artificially modified it cause they weren’t sure it was a new fossil? Well GUESS WHAT! We BROUGHT IT TO LIFE SO THERE-“

[autumn plover]

Suchomimus is a far better choice. Has animals in-game to go with, more complete and it was more terrestrial than other Spinosaurs

[coarse inlet]

Yeah though imo Spino and Bary are enough

[autumn plover]

Not really, Sucho completed the trinity and stands on it’s own

[steep tulip]

Ive generally seen diictodon being asked more here, but small lystro is also a valid alternative, they arent that different

what about

the bananaspinus

[autumn plover]

It may not be 100% essential but it’s a worthy addition

[quick ore]

I feel like there is a difference between a group feeling complete in its representation in a vacuum and being complete enough for the purposes of this game. Like maybe Sucho would be good alongside Spino and Bary but think about all of the other groups of animals worthy of being added to the game that would have their diversity hampered by a third spinosaurid

and so many of them would be lucky to even have a single representative for their group

[autumn plover]

It may not be 100% essential but it’s a worthy addition

[ancient ibex]

There is no trinity, that's just a second baryonychine

[shell sonnet]

Sucho would be a bary alt, but it's not needed

[ancient ibex]

Irritator may as well work as a half grown Spino alt, Suchomimus is pretty much an overgrown Bary which would look highly similar at comparable sizes

[late swallow]

trinity of best name recognition Spinosaurs

[ancient ibex]

Neat stuff, but people really overestimate spinosaur diversity

[quick ore]

and again, so many groups would be lucky to even have a single representative

[ancient ibex]

And I have grown very weary of people wanting Oxalaia in jurassic games

[shell sonnet]

And that might have to do with the fact that people believed that Diictodon was coming to the game. It's a good animal but L. murrayi just has more going for it overall.

[late swallow]

i'm with you there, there's no way there are like 5-7 distinct spinosaur genera in iberia

[shell sonnet]

that's a very unequal trinity in terms of name power

[late swallow]

They're the 3 i've noticed that layfolk know more than other spinosaurs

[steep tulip]

I'm not arguing against that, simply saying that for a lot of people their only exposition to diictodon and lystrosaurus is from wwm

[shell sonnet]

I'm going to be honest here, while I readily admit that I probably underestimate the impact of WWD amongst the public, I don't think I'm wrong in saying that WWM's was basically negligible. Dominion also exists by the way.

And that might have more impact on what people think of Lystro.

[quick ore]

I doubt people would give nearly as much of a shit about gorgonopsids were it not for WWM and Primeval

because if not then what would they have to showcase them? that short scene from Dinosaur Revolution?

[shell sonnet]

Correct and that's why laypeople think that "gorgonopsid" is an actual genera because of Primeval.

So really, what did they learn?

[quick ore]

I mean to be fair

WWM did the same thing

I don't think any genera is used for that gorgon either

[shell sonnet]

It's gorgonops but that's only in side material.

[ancient ibex]

Specially with no overlaping material

I can see the Baryonyx lineage giving rise to Suchomimus as time went by ngl, those are 12 million years in-between, but the taxonomical approach has been subpar

Specially with the approach to spinosaurines across Gibraltar

(And oh boy the collab between Spanish paleo and Sereno, which I expect to hold up as well as Carcha iguidensis whenever it gets published at this rate)

[silver steeple]

Most people just want it as a second spino to either represent an accurate or a JP version

[ancient ibex]

Then ask for a variant

[plush nacelle]

Frontier doesnt include variants in their packs

For these not tied to jp at least

So asking for Oxalaia is still best thing to do

[buoyant zephyr]

DEATH

Estemmenosuchus is a good choice me thinks

[coarse inlet]

Yeah probably my second most wanted dinocephalian

[hollow flower]

Second?

[hollow flower]

My man

[coarse inlet]

Anteosaurus is the superior Permian apex predator and deserves even half the attention that gorgonopsids get

[hollow flower]

Absolut

[steep tulip]

Bro so big it needs 2 image slots

[plucky mantle]

IMO there are at least 12+ Permian genera that are well enough known and unique enough to make it in

[toxic oriole]

Some comment on the internet said that this is "The Tyrannosaurus Rex of the Permian Period"

[late swallow]

man't fuckin built like one

[quick ore]

fr if dlcs are 4-6 species then the Permian has enough big species inclusions for 2 whole dlcs, maybe even more

I really hope it gets proper representation especially since it is the only time period one can reasonably expect Paleozoic species to come from that won't be terrarium species

[steep tulip]

I hope we get a couple species for free

Too

[quick ore]

mhm

[shell quest]

Hyperodapedon the "reptile" rat

[late swallow]

puntable, 10/10

[crimson anvil]

Yea I was suggesting it for the end of its story idea. It’d just be cathartic imo

[feral cedar]

What story?

[hollow furnace]

the very hungry suchomimus

[steep tulip]

I do hope we get suchomimus eventually in one way or another

[late swallow]

It was about Irritator

[steep tulip]

Elrhaz rep without suchomimus

[coarse inlet]

basically the closest synapsids ever got yeah

[crimson anvil]

The story behind Irritator’s discovery. Fossil poachers modified the fossil with plaster before selling it to some paleontologists.

The paleontologists name the dinosaur Irritator cause they KNOW it’s a new dinosaur, but now it’s tainted by the modifications so they don’t know exactly what to do about it.

So bringing the story to a full close by reviving him would be really satisfying imo

[hollow flower]

Pretty decent now that I look at it

[feral cedar]

I mean there's definitely stuff for Elrhaz but come on

Suchomimus

[ancient ibex]

Honestly we are a Weald rebbachisaur away from those two being pretty much interchangeable lol

[late swallow]

Sarco and a beautiful JWE2 render of Nigersaurus

[ancient ibex]

Anatosuchus would be a neat vivarium critter ngl

The crocoduck

[abstract compass]

Acrocanthosaurus

[left spear]

What a gluppshito

If you want the devs to add something atleast say an animal with a smidge of a chance of making It in

[abstract compass]

hmmm

Megaraptor.

[left spear]

Do you even own the Game? Megaraptor is already in the game bruh

[abstract compass]

Haimirichia

[hollow furnace]

that's macroraptor

get it right

[abstract compass]

tru

[steep tulip]

Weald got like
Baryonyx
And horshamosaurus lmao

[ancient ibex]

Istiorachis is pretty much Weald Ourano

[shell sonnet]

I don't remember us finding any Thyreophorans in Elrhaz

[ancient ibex]

True

[steep tulip]

I know the 2 are very similar, but I thought that one was from wessex

[shell sonnet]

Wessex is part of the Wealden group

[ancient ibex]

Weald basin covers the different outcrops

People really hyperfocus on the word "formation"

You have the same faunal assemblage in Spain and in England at that time (like we do today pretty much), FWIW

Demandasaurus is a rebacchisaur that would have met Iguanodon

The Weald is well studied geologically for coal-related reasons I believe

[shell sonnet]

That's cause England has no trees

[silver steeple]

In fairness, the term formation can end up kinda meaning many things

[steep tulip]

When you mention "weald", I'm thinking you are talking about the formation specifically, not the group as a whole
But yeah, they do share quite a bit of faunal overlap, tho I wouldnt say they are interchangeable, exception being ourano and sucho
The rest is pretty unique
Even the elrhaz iguanodontian seems to have been doing weird stuff, even if it wasn't properly semi aquatic

[ancient ibex]

I mean, people talk about the Wealden as a whole

It covers 15 million years but most of the dinosaur fauna talked about is from the last 3 million years or so

And, well, they are literally next to each other

Digsites some 70 miles away or so

Still, Elrhaz is some 10 million years younger

[tough marsh]

I have a large Permian carnivore suggestion that hasn’t been suggested individually yet

[toxic oriole]

If its Anteosaurus, someone beat you to it or something

[tough marsh]

It’s not

its Tappenosaurus

[late swallow]

yet

[ancient ibex]

I mean, I dunno if we have more, thus far all there is is "potentially chonky potential sphenacodont"...

[late swallow]

i have a great suggestion for chunky bois

https://tenor.com/view/cotylorhynchus-cotylorhynchus-walk-walking-cotylorhynchus-gif-27547597

[ancient ibex]

(I know you know more than me about Permian stuff tho)

[tough marsh]

it probably has more sphenacodont proportions

aka not as chonky

[tough marsh]

im not an expert in America

[tough marsh]

irrc correctly they coexisted

[neat iris]

Chonky boi dlc

[neat iris]

Coty, toxodon, beelzebufo, etc.

[steep carbon]

The little pig creature that had a third periscope eye

[steep tulip]

The little pig creature with a third periscope eye?

[steep carbon]

I dont remember its name

[neat iris]

Moeritherium too

[plush nacelle]

If PK gets more than 5 permian habitat species I will call it success already

[quick ore]

god I hope so

even if some are alts

[steep tulip]

Dimetrodon edaphosaurus cotylorhynchus inostrancevia and scutosaurus if so

[hollow flower]

Tappeno is quite the enigma

I do hope some researchers in the future do a more thorough study on it

[hollow flower]

Me personally I hope for like

Roughly 15 permian exhibit animals

Which is a bit much but I am a big fan of permian boys

[plush nacelle]

I am playing it safe

[hollow flower]

That is fair all things considered

[plush nacelle]

15 is lowkey ridiculous number when I consider dinosaur and non-dinosaurs proportions some people suggest out there

If there is 5 years of support post EA it would be like 20% of all new animal additions coming from permian

Which I am all in for, but somehow hard to imagine

[steep tulip]

What about 10

Estemmenosuchus anteosaurus moschops eryops and something else idk
In addition to the 5 I said earlier

2 free and 7/8 for dlcs

Damn there's really no 10th that's half as known as these ones lol

Lystrosaurus technically

Ophiacodon?

[plush nacelle]

Really depends on how many animals is going PK able to pump ot

[shell sonnet]

I'll stick to my own suggestion for Paleozoic animals

[tough marsh]

My take would be
Edaphosaurid
Sphenacodontid
Varanopid
Didectifomes
Temnospondyli
Deinocephalian
Biarmosuchian
Anomodont
Gorgonopsian
Archeosaur

You get one from most major groups at the time

Granted there’s no moradisaurids, Small early reptiles, paraisaurus and Caseaids

[shell sonnet]

Are any varanopids actually big enough; I know varanops could work for a mini

[tough marsh]

Don’t think so

I mean Varanops

Yeah based on Wikipedia size which isn’t always accurate it’s big for the time

[tough marsh]

Yes on the basis that it’s average size for a Permian animal

[vivid field]

why is vanilla looked at as plain and boring

who decided that

vanilla is amazing even if there’s better

[vivid field]

FINALLY A QIANZHOUSAURUS

[buoyant vault]

I WANNA SEE BABY ALIORAMINS STUMBLE AROUND

[plush nacelle]

Idk. Permian sounds just like most paleozoic as something to enjoy vivariums more

Even 10 habitat species is a lot

PK will need to earn plenty money to affort this many of them

[amber field]

Adzebill ?

New Caledonia had a lot of cool animals too

Perhaps islands' expansion would be cool

[buoyant vault]

i NEED sylvi and meio

maybe meko too

[amber field]

why not three of them 🤷‍♂️

[late swallow]

that was a 3 day old comment

[shell sonnet]

What's your take on something like Glanosuchus

[tough marsh]

Alopecognathus is the best of that group

[shell sonnet]

Any particular reason, the wiki page is next to useless

[tough marsh]

basically in 2023 kammerer did a review of the whole group and one of the best specimens got reassigned from Glanosuchus to Alopecognathus

[shell sonnet]

That makes sense.

[neat iris]

What’s funny is that a Permian dlc would probably be mostly animals with similar bodily structures

[coarse inlet]

In that they're quadrupeds, sure

[hollow flower]

My recent obsession with Moby dick has given me a new interest in Livyatan

[amber field]

Manis palaeojavanica , a sheep size pangolin

[hollow flower]

Oh lord

[reef relic]

No clue, cause vanilla is my favorite flavor of ice cream lol.
I also don't think allo is actually that generic, especially not with the facial crests and the hatchet bite

[oak charm]

On one hand, a PK Livyatan would be so peak.

On the other... I dont know how well that'd be received (in universe) due to the way that SeaWorld handled orcas...

[silver steeple]

Hatchet bite isn't real

[plush nacelle]

Who cares

These people presumably ressurect animals just to keep them in zoo

Doubt SeaWorld comes close to whatever is happening in PK universe

[steep tulip]

^
This is a game and I wanna see the prehistoric animals, limiting the roster for realism doesn't make sense since they are extinct

except for hominids closer to humans but I think that's a different issues

[dapper sky]

Prehistoric apes and things would be interesting and fun to have but I feel like they would be far too close to humans in appearance and etc

[steep tulip]

I'm fine with apes

Like gigantopithecus

[plush nacelle]

Australopithecus is like chimp

If zoo games can have chimps

[lean hound]

Chimpanzees and Gorillas are in zoos, most apes would probably be fine

[steep tulip]

I could be fine with australopithecus too, but I leave it out usually because I think you have to draw the line somewhere and the weight australopithecus carries is pretty important on our own evolution

[slim flare]

Paranthropus…

[hollow furnace]

I would be ok with a very basal Australopithicus like Lucy but a lot of people, devs included, aren't

[quick ore]

even if Australopithecus was effectively just a bipedal chimpanzee its inclusion would make it too close to the phenomenon of human zoos that literally still existed a little over a century ago and carry with them a lot of racism

it's best to just not include them

[slim flare]

How

If its a bipedal chimpanzee… then its a bipedal chimpanzee, and chimpanzees are still kept in zoos.

[quick ore]

They're too similar/closely related to humans

[slim flare]

Beyond being bipedal and their feet, they wouldn’t really resemble humans a whole lot

[quick ore]

any zoo sim should be well aware to distance itself from the racist history of zoos in the early 20th century and beyond

[steep tulip]

Its due to association
Since australopithecus it's often seen as the first piece of the puzzle that lead to humans, we tend to see it more like us rather than other apes

[slim flare]

I just don’t get this angle

[quick ore]

Even if it doesn't follow biological logic, it would still be a level of uncanniness that would turn people off from the game

[slim flare]

They’re not a race but a very distinct species

[quick ore]

who said they were a race?

[slim flare]

You keep comparing it to racist human zoos

[quick ore]

the fact is keeping human beings in zoos is wrong

putting in an animal both is and looks like a primitive human is going to make people think of human zoos

[slim flare]

But they’re not human is my point

[quick ore]

ok? who cares
do you seriously think doing this wouldn't create controversy?

[slim flare]

I mean cloning dinosaurs would create controversy

GMOs today alone create controversy

But my point is comparing it to human zoos feels wrong

[quick ore]

this is a completely different kind of controversy

and I think you should know that

[slim flare]

Because they’re not human, not even close like erectus or Neanderthals. They don’t particularly look human, they wouldn’t particularly act human.

[quick ore]

it doesn't matter

their inclusion would make people uncomfortable and open the door for people to act racist

I don't understand how you can't see this

[slim flare]

My only issue is comparing Australopithecus captivity to human zoos

I don’t particularly disagree with the devs

[quick ore]

You think adding them wouldn't be controversial? You don't think it would look racist?

[slim flare]

Of course it’s controversial but it’s definitely not racist

Because again they’re not a race and they’re not even human-adjacent

[quick ore]

People would use their inclusion to make their own "human zoos"

[plush nacelle]

Human zoos in Planet Zoo 🗿

[outer moth]

Australopithecus is a little too smart to be in zoos
Like the sheer amount of enrichment you’d need for em would make you think twice

That’s my reasoning

[slim flare]

I mean the early species are equivalent to chimpanzees

[amber field]

Please don't remind be about that subject I want to forget a doc about it , it's very disturbing experience

[outer moth]

And chimps are still hella hard to keep
Ya gotta kill em if they escape, since tranqs don’t even work

Australo is just smarter

[slim flare]

?

[plush nacelle]

Chimps aint hard to keep. There are many many of them in zoos

[slim flare]

Wdym tranqs don’t work?

[quick ore]

literally all that matters is that an Australopithecus exhibit would look like a human zoo. You don't need to mention anything else for the argument, them looking human is enough to make it a bad move because people can use that to be racist.

chimps aren't that difficult, cetaceans and elephants are harder afaik

[plush nacelle]

Just curious. You feel same thing about bonobos?

[quick ore]

wym

[plush nacelle]

Because australopithecus was most likely like bonobo

[quick ore]

in what way?

[plush nacelle]

I mean looking like one?

[slim flare]

https://humanorigins.si.edu/sites/default/files/styles/grid_thumbnail/public/images/landscape/afarensis_JG_Recon_Head_CC_3qtr_lt_l.jpg.webp?itok=6wseCjsu

[quick ore]

bonobos arent bipeds they just look like chimps

[outer moth]

It’ll have already killed a bunch of people before the tranqs even begin to take effect on the system

[plush nacelle]

Very similar animals

We just reconstruct is as more human like to put emphasis on ancestry

[slim flare]

If Australopithecus was alive today there would be no more controversy over keeping them than other great apes

The issue is that they’re in our ancestral line

[plush nacelle]

To be fair many people wierd out seeing other monkeys

[coarse inlet]

This is a stupid argument

people-shaped things in zoos bring to mind dehumanized people put into zoos, we dont need to argue about a hypothetical

[quick ore]

what if the world were made of pudding

[slim flare]

That would be epic indeed

[quick ore]

what

[slim flare]

It would be awesome

[slim flare]

Pudding Baron of the New World

[quick ore]

you must be being obtuse on purpose rn

[coarse inlet]

this is, IMO, more about us than it is about them. With history in mind it could feel somewhat gross to see a human shaped thing in a zoo, especially since multiple species in the game are named by a guy who literally put a human in a zoo

[slim flare]

Nigel…

[coarse inlet]

what?

[quick ore]

And again this something that we absolutely do NOT need in game

[slim flare]

I wasn’t arguing for that

[quick ore]

Ha-Satan you don't seem to be taking this seriously at all

[slim flare]

Although I do want Gigantopithecus

[quick ore]

ok

nothing wrong with that

[toxic oriole]

The one said to be related to Orangutan or something, yet at the same time it isnt?

[slim flare]

I mean I was until the pudding part

[coarse inlet]

the pudding thing is a stock response to hypotheticals which are irrelevant to the discussion

[toxic oriole]

I'm confused on the Giant Ape

[quick ore]

what Phorcys said

[slim flare]

They’re most closely related to orangutans among extant species but they’re not closely related, very far divergence

[coarse inlet]

Gigantopithecus is known mostly from teeth and jaws and we dont know much about them, closer to orangs than to african apes but not super close

[outer moth]

If that was the case, I could technically bring upon the end by eating the entire world

[quick ore]

I was literally making a shorthand response to your ridiculous statement

[slim flare]

“Mostly”

Entirely

[coarse inlet]

isnt there some paleo DNA or am I mixing it up with something else

[slim flare]

Afaik no, that’d be really old for DNA

[toxic oriole]

or would it???

[slim flare]

?

[coarse inlet]

ah, it was proteins in the teeth

that's what I was remembering

so still part of the tooth fossil

what if it was a regular sized ape with a huge chin

[slim flare]

It didn’t have a chin

[toxic oriole]

I swear I've seen people associate the ape with Bigfoot

or Sasquatch or whatever the hell

[slim flare]

Chins are something almost exclusive to humans

[abstract compass]

monkey.

[slim flare]

Yes but for stupid reasons. Even if sasquatch was real, it’d be a hominine not pongine.

[coarse inlet]

Not literally but that wasnt really the point of the joke

[abstract compass]

sasquatch for PK

[toxic oriole]

Who's to say that a few of those "hominine" primates wouldn't have JUST been the real Sasquatch of all times?
Like Australopithecus and a few others

[slim flare]

Sasquatch isn’t extinct yet

[abstract compass]

prove it.

[plush nacelle]

Sasquatch would obviously be giant bipedal howler monkey

[toxic oriole]

Whats next, an animal thats all chin?

[slim flare]

Doesn’t a chin need to project outwards?

Yeah it needs to point forward, so that doesn’t count

[steep tulip]

Don't elephants kinda have them

[abstract compass]

didnt know Dan put together a new giga.

[slim flare]

Uh kinda but their faces are really fucked up

I mainly meant hominids anyway

[steep tulip]

Tbh
I can believe the cyclop elephant theory because they look uncanny in a human way lol

[abstract compass]

does satan have a chin?

[slim flare]

Indeed

Despite my chinless 4% Neanderthal mother

[abstract compass]

[neat iris]

If they ever add any -pithecus to the game, I hope it has “giganto” or “dino” in front of it

[plush nacelle]

I am going to be genuinely upset with dinopithecus

[neat iris]

Leaning more towards giganto

[plush nacelle]

Such overrated pick

Stealing spotlight from other monkeys

[feral cedar]

Bigfoot is real

[outer moth]

I hope we get Paradolichopithecus instead of Australo for sillies

[feral cedar]

I saw him last week while buying new shoes

Christ he really did earn that nickname

[quick ore]

Mesopropithecus 💯

[plush nacelle]

Lemurs are doing heavy lifting in prehistoric primate departament

[abstract compass]

Archaeoindris is my choice.

[outer moth]

If this isn't a setup for alternative speculative evolution, I don't know what is

[toxic oriole]

That quagga in the back:

[neat iris]

Gigantopithecus is so cool

Giant ape

[outer moth]

Chewbacca ain't even an ape

[late swallow]

read

"and wookies too"

[outer moth]

Why

Why include Wookies

[neat iris]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[late swallow]

what i ant to know, is what the source of the recon for G. blacki is there

The article listed [DOI:10.1186/1471-2458-12-439] is about adult human biomass

[neat iris]

I literally just looked up “gigantopithecus size” on google images

I understand its size is still being debated tho

[plush nacelle]

It was definitely around gorilla size

[late swallow]

In 2019, R. J. Hawley from the Tate Geological Museum wrote that it is unreasonable to reconstruct Gigantopithecus with bipedal standing height over 230 cm (7 ft 7 in).

In 2017, Chinese palaeoanthropologist Yingqi Zhang and American anthropologist Terry Harrison suggested a body mass of 200–300 kg (440–660 pounds), though conceded that it is impossible to obtain a reliable body mass estimate without more complete remains.

[neat iris]

So yeah

About gorilla size

[plush nacelle]

Imagine, if it was like udanoceratops

Smaller monke, but giant jaw

[neat iris]

Gorilla-sized orang(?)

[faint oak]

so real

so based

[shell sonnet]

Can we get an ape that we actually have more just part of a skull and a handful of post-cranial material?

[hollow furnace]

non

[plush nacelle]

No. Only lower jaws and edgy art

For primates

[shell sonnet]

Good-bye Darwinius

[plush nacelle]

It never stood a chance

Should be partial bone or something

[shell sonnet]

Which do you like the least: gorillas, orangutans, chimps, bonobos, or gibbons?

[hollow furnace]

all of them equally pervert the human form

[tame thorn]

All of them. I'm in team happy to never see any primates in pk.

[shell sonnet]

So you would be okay with say a targeted campaign that would make them eligible for the Recently Extinct pack.

[late swallow]

Objection, your honour, leading question

[shell sonnet]

Overruled

[steep tulip]

Paradolichopithecus

I have a complete specimen in my backyard

[quick ore]

didnt we talk before about how Sinopithecus helps give us a clearer picture of Gigantopithecus

[steep tulip]

There's another one?

[quick ore]

another what

[steep tulip]

Another ape

Sinopithecus
Can't find anything on it

[plush nacelle]

Sivapithecus

[steep tulip]

Ah

Wouldn't orangutans still be their closest relatives

Apparently not

isnt it funny

archaeoindris is also known mainly from cranial material

[plush nacelle]

Archaeoindris is funny, because close relative was hanging upside down like sloths do

And fossil remains for it indicate similar animal, but bigger

[steep tulip]

yep

I still want it anyway idc, bigass lemur

[plush nacelle]

It was more like lemur orangutan

Rathern than lemur gorilla

[coarse inlet]

What's wrong with it

[steep tulip]

I think its because its only known from skulls

[ancient ibex]

We already have mammoths; fucking tired of Blackfish/Free Willy Helen Lovejoy crap ngl

[quick ore]

oh my bad

Sivapithecus

[ancient ibex]

Why do you count the 2 chimp species separatedly while lumping 20 species across 4 genera in a single cathegory?

SMH bonobos are a chimp species, we just realized they were distinct from the common chimp quite early on, but the distinction is forced, specially now that we also have 2 gorillas and 3 orangutans

[steep tulip]

I mean we have the name might as well use it

[shell sonnet]

That's a monkey, not an ape

[steep tulip]

is there any other ape worth adding other than gigantopithecus?

[shell sonnet]

.... it was the setup for a joke that fell flat

[ancient ibex]

Sorry, pet peeve of mine

(FWIW, apes are a subset of monkeys, and English is the sole language to make a distinction)

Case in point

[autumn plover]

Circling back to the older conversation but another issue with adding something like Australopethicus beyond ethical is how to actually implement it.

Any hominin would have to have significantly more intelligent and complex ai than any other animal, just due to all the nuances of homonin behaviour. Things like tool use etc would definitely be needed and would just be too much to add.

[ancient ibex]

Not very different from chimps behaviourally ngl

Apes are all resourceful bunches

Australopith grade animals had one very humanlike character tho, and that was the gait

Picture a chimp walking pretty much exactly like a human and you have Lucy

And that's uncanny as fuck

[faint oak]

Paradolichopithecus better anyways 🙏

[quick ore]

I literally think the only true monkey that feels like a necessary addition to the game as an exhibit species is Gigantopithecus. Subfossil lemurs feel better as options for additional exhibit primates

[flint sable]

honestly agreed

the best primates for PK IMO would be really basal vivarium species or subfossil lemurs

I think really basal vivarium species have the best chance due to them being the least primatelike really

and they are in vivariums so the complex animations would be somewhat lessened

[rough crystal]

Aenocyon Dirus, mayhaps?

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/daring-today-are-we-spongebob-squidward-gif-22508233

[runic tiger]

Tbf not everyone is in this thread daily suggesting obscure fossils

[flint sable]

true...

[runic tiger]

Dire wolf is based pick

[ancient ibex]

Earliest diverging Caninan is not that remote ttbt, but still a fair pick; Epicyon is IMO cooler tho, but both are good

[safe kestrel]

goes without saying

[late swallow]

Borealopelta is a cool specimen, but wouldn't make a good addition imo

[safe kestrel]

why

it has a long spike ratio to the body relatively to the other armored animal in game

[flint sable]

I would like it as an alt definitely

as an entire slot? no thank you

but as an alt? 1000%

[late swallow]

#1360542295228944414 message

[safe kestrel]

i dont see it as a problem

[flint sable]

I think it could definitely work as an alt

[safe kestrel]

its a well preserved animal

it is what it is

[late swallow]

This means literally nothing when we only have two ankylosaurs

[safe kestrel]

just looks different

we only had uuh

[flint sable]

and if its literally just one alt, then the argument of too well preserved doesnt really apply

[safe kestrel]

scelido

and anky

i still don't see it as a problem

its a well preserved animals, it should be in game

[flint sable]

it could 1000% work as an alt for pmuch any nodosaur

seeing as all ankylosaurs would feasibly share the same rig anyway

closeness of relatives also isnt as much of a factor as it used to be

[safe kestrel]

i dont care if its an alt or entirely different slot

[late swallow]

Only the front half

[safe kestrel]

the guy need to be there

[safe kestrel]

at least we can guess?

[late swallow]

It's a massive nothingburger

[flint sable]

Juxia is about as close to Paraceratherium as Borealopelta is to Sauropelta

[safe kestrel]

how the fuck its a nothingburger???

[flint sable]

at least if im reading this right

Borealopelta is probably just basic nodosaur, but its a really really really well preserved basic nodosaur

so its epic

Carnotaurus is basically the same scenario tbh and everyone loves Carnotaurus

[late swallow]

The only interesting thing about it is that it's well preserved and from a marine deposit

[safe kestrel]

i dont get it
you said its not a good addition
and then you said its so well preserved based on droid quote
and then you said its only front half
and then you said its a massive nothingburger
???

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-what-happened-what-wth-why-gif-14483670

[late swallow]

These can all be true simultaneously

[safe kestrel]

bruh

[flint sable]

ok its well preserved

what makes it worse than any other nodosaur

[late swallow]

Idk why you're working yourself up over this

[safe kestrel]

??

you're the one that made us confused

[late swallow]

No interesting feature imo

[flint sable]

im not, im just kinda curious as to why you think its a bad addition compared to other ankylosaurs/nodosaurs

[flint sable]

ok thats a fairly valid reason

there are definitely flashier ankylosaurs ye

[late swallow]

I wasn't directing that at you ftr

[safe kestrel]

ok so its a about nothing interesting

[late swallow]

That's literally what a nothingburger is

[safe kestrel]

i find its interesting

which is basically a subjective opinion

[late swallow]

Outside of its preservation, what does it have?

[safe kestrel]

its just simply looks different compared to anky and sceli

[runic tiger]

He has heart ❤️

And spirit

[late swallow]

That's how clades tend to work

[flint sable]

generic nodosaur vibe ig

also has a bunch of added bonuses with being so well preserved

we know its rough coloration so thats a plus

[late swallow]

It's a nodosaurid compared to the ankylosaurid and scelidosaurid we have

[flint sable]

kinda like Pssitacosaurus sp.

[late swallow]

There are infinitely more interesting nodosaurids

[flint sable]

I agree yeah

I think Borealopelta would be a good average nodosaur though

[late swallow]

Sauropelta, for obvious example

[flint sable]

but I can definitely see where your coming from

more interesting nodosaurs first makes a lot of sense

but if we ever get 1-2 other nodosaurs, Borealopelta would be a good pick

[buoyant vault]

can we get shara ishvalda

[late swallow]

There are a bunch of good nodosaurs to pick from - and that is what kicks Borealopelta further down imo

[safe kestrel]

as basic as borealopelta it should be here

you cant just said "this thing is too basic"

if you said that meaning a basic hadrosaur like edmonto or basic sauropod like brontosaurus shouldnt be here

torvo? basic medium theropod

[safe kestrel]

just bad opinion

[late swallow]

It's not, nor were your fallacious extrapolations appreciated. It's behaviour like this that genuinely makes me question being here

[safe kestrel]

im questioning why its even a thing
"its too fragment" shouldn't as same as "its too well preserved" and "its too basic"

people already complained about people asking for a species that coming from 5cm of fossil and then people complained because its too well preserved??? especially the family wasn't even in game yet??

[runic tiger]

I dont think it's that deep yall

This is a discord suggestion thread for a videogame

I dont think there's any objectively wrong opinion when it comes to species wishlists, just different preferences

[coarse inlet]

Yeah

[runic tiger]

You think borealo is boring
Ok, I dont but thats fine

[coarse inlet]

It does personally feel weird to me to insist that one of the best understood ornithischians shouldn’t be in the game

[late swallow]

I'd hardly consider it one of the best understood, but that's just me

[late swallow]

What do you find interesting about it?

[runic tiger]

It looks cool, cool coloration

So I like it

Its not that deep

[toxic oriole]

Preserved red coloration or something, thats the color of Borealopelta

... Wait, that raises a question

Where was that mummified fossil of the animal found?

Oh

[runic tiger]

Which one?

[late swallow]

Fair reason to like it, but imo that doesn't offer much for an ingame animal to me

[toxic oriole]

I was talking about Borealopelta

Well preserved fossil anyways

[late swallow]

Marine deposit

[toxic oriole]

So would you say somewhat close to the Western Interior Seaway?

[hollow furnace]

Fort McMurray oil sands

[hollow furnace]

It was in the western interior seaway, yes

[late swallow]

Where did it originate? Who knows

[hollow furnace]

Or at least the progenitor of it, it hadn't extended all the way to bisect North America yet

So just the western interior sea, not western interior seaway

[toxic oriole]

Looked into Pinacosaurus for a small ankylosaur

Or at the very least somewhat small

Preserved larynx, bird-like vocalizations

From asia

[flint sable]

probably bird like in sound vaguely but not nessicarily in pitch

like how tiger calls are basically the same as housecats, just signifigantly lower pitch

[quick ore]

I think Polacanthus is underrated as a choice for a nodosaur species or as an alt to another species

Also, Stegouros and Kunbarrasaurus getting added as alts of one another would be great imo

[silver steeple]

Polacanthus + Gastonia would be epic

[quick ore]

I just rewatched Giant of the Skies and Polacanthus feels like it would be neat to have cohabbed alongside Iguanodon

[silver steeple]

Exactly

[quick ore]

(even though tbh I doubt many Ankylosaurs would make for decent cohab species irl given how dangerous their weaponry is lol)

[silver steeple]

And Gastonia gives us a Utahraptor friend for down the line

https://tenor.com/view/george-lucas-its-poetry-rhymes-gif-19518899

[silver steeple]

Can always do a faux cohab too

[quick ore]

god you just reminded me of the shitty reboot that had Utahraptor seemingly specializing to hunt Gastonia for whatever reason 😭

[silver steeple]

Lmfao

We don't talk about WWD25

[quick ore]

what's that

like an invisible barrier type deal?

[silver steeple]

Sorta

The idea is that from viewing areas, they look like its one exhibit

[quick ore]

ah yeah then that is what I was thinking of

[silver steeple]

But from above there's some sort of barrier, like a moat, splitting them

So they aren't physically interacting

[quick ore]

I grew up visiting the Bronx Zoo all the time so I know that kind of setup very well

they use that for the Lions and gazelles

[silver steeple]

Yeah

Iirc Columbus does something very similar

[quick ore]

cool

byeah I think it would be Peak

I'm not really opposed to Borealopelta either but wasn't it like, by itself?

[silver steeple]

Yeah we dunno what it would have lived with specifically

It was found in what would become the WIS

Miles offshore

[quick ore]

yeah that does feel like a negative in that regard

would be cool to find another specimen of the same species one day

to tie it back to a terrestrial fossil formation

[coarse inlet]

yeah that's the big downside

[quick ore]

for a dinosaur to be added while it is alone in its formation it should be truly unique and/or popular

like Muttaburrasaurus or Carnotaurus

[toxic oriole]

Whats with this popularity bias?

Like, seriously

[silver steeple]

Or an alt but I assume you aren't counting those

[quick ore]

popularity absolutely factors in

[silver steeple]

Because that's how the game works

[quick ore]

why do you think Argentinosaurus was added over any other better preserved titanosaur?

[toxic oriole]

The cursed bias

[silver steeple]

?

[quick ore]

cursed?

[toxic oriole]

Could've gotten Dreadnoughtus alongside Argent, or even Patagotitan and another titanosaur of South America

[quick ore]

ok but what do you mean by cursed

(also of it were up to me to add another titanosaur it would be Alamosaurus)

[silver steeple]

I don't really see why we need another SA giant titanosaur tbh

Argent is the quintessential one

[toxic oriole]

And I don't really see why people want to limit how many animals are represented in one area just because of varying factors

[quick ore]

it isn't about limiting

it's about making smart decisions for the game

[toxic oriole]

Who's to say suggesting species that are quite obscure wouldn't help boost their popularity?

[silver steeple]

1. No one said it wouldn't
2. That's not the point in the game regardless?

[coarse inlet]

I mean, I would love some obscure species but overall they're gonna want to include stuff the fandom wants to see

[quick ore]

if obscure taxa are going to be added then they should be interesting enough to warrant putting them in over something that is already more popular

[toxic oriole]

Someday theres gonna be a crowd of people who want Dreadnoughtus, doesn't matter if "ANOTHER SA GIANT TITANOSAUR ISNT NEEDED" I know well some people are going to want it

[silver steeple]

There already is a crowd who want Dread

[toxic oriole]

Yeah I have no idea what I am doing anymore

[silver steeple]

Dread is fine for like dlc or something down the line

Just not needed by any means atm

[quick ore]

that's why preservation quality and uniqueness in body plan or lifestyle is important because if the obscure taxon isn't special compared to a species that would function the same as it but with more popularity then it doesn't have any reason to be included besides being different for the sake of it.

[toxic oriole]

Ceratopsians like Torosaurus and Triceratops look somewhat similar and yet they both are quite distinct in their own sense somehow

🤷‍♀️

[quick ore]

ok?

and what does saying that have to do with anything?

[wild relic]

Toro and Trike still have differences that actually make them different

[toxic oriole]

I don't see the point in "specialty" and "popularity" and whatever as a requirement for adding a species
And yet thats just how it is

Thats pretty much it
I don't see the point in biases like popularity, completeness, and such being the main requirement for any animal in particular

Kinda bugs me, but even then I know thats just how it is

Can't do anything about it

[wild relic]

The bottom line is that we can't/just aren't able to have every single animal that ever existed in one game, so unfortunately some will get in and some won't make the cut, that's just how it is

[toxic oriole]

Honestly, Megalosaurus itself should've been added in JUST BECAUSE ITS THE FIRST DINOSAUR EVER DISCOVERED FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, SO WHAT IF IT ISNT POPULAR ANYMORE IT SHOULD JUST BE THERE, SO WHAT IF TORVOSAURUS IS ALREADY INGAME?

[toxic oriole]

And what if we could, then what???

[silver steeple]

What if the world was made of pudding

[wild relic]

Welcome to clone park

[toxic oriole]

As if every animal in life isnt already quite similar to one another in some sense anyways, who cares if theres another animal that gets added into the game that is quite similar to another existing animal in the first place.....................

[silver steeple]

The people that want more unique animals care

[toxic oriole]

In time they'll run out of unique animals, that ones for certain

[coarse inlet]

lmao how

there's SO MANY

[silver steeple]

Not before game dev ends lol

[coarse inlet]

they'd need to have more than 10x the current roster to run out of really unique stuff

[silver steeple]

The abundance of the fossil record is astoundingly vast

That's just including terrestrial species

That increases another like 5 fold with the potential of aerial and aquatic species lol

[coarse inlet]

true

[plush nacelle]

It is mid all around

The only reason it got popular is edgy art featuring it as some sort of super scary primate predator hunting early humans and other stuff

[quick ore]

it isn't even like "a long history of edgy art" either like the majority of it stems from one specific piece of paleoart

[hard elbow]

I am breaking my oath to never touch this thread because I will not tolerate dinopithecus slander

"big fucking baboon" is genuinely a cool enough concept on its own and we all know it

The "popularity" surrounding the one edgy art piece is specific to this server and it's based on a fucking copypasta/shitpost about how the piece was actually a reference to Saturn Eating his Son, the painting

By no means is it overhyped when it's only real claim to fame is showing up in ARK (which means nothing because they'll put fuckin anything in Ark these days)

[abstract compass]

Tropicola is a dinopithecus confirmed

[hard elbow]

I will unironically accept this theory

I would gladly be a bigass gorilla baboon

[silver steeple]

Baboons are just cool

[hard elbow]

This is correct

This is also why Paradolichopithecus is cool

[quick ore]

it doesn't have the "largest primate ever" factor of Gigantopithecus, it doesn't have the exceptional fossils and a unique appearance of subfossil lemurs, and it isn't even from a group that is entirely extinct like ancient basal primates would be, so what makes Dinopithecus so amazing as a primate species?

[silver steeple]

Baboons are easily the most unique of modern monkeys

[hard elbow]

It's a fucking baboon and baboons are cool

Who cares that it's not The Absolute Biggest

Like genuinely who cares

By that logic the only sauropod we need is fucking argent, skip the rest

[silver steeple]

Its like saying we can't have idk platybelodon because its not as big as palaeoloxodon

[quick ore]

I would rather have baboon lemurs than regular baboons but big

[hard elbow]

Also Gigantopithecus size is highly overexaggerated anyway

It's not the orangutanzilla that Jungle Book 2016 makes it out to be

[hard elbow]

"Baboon lemurs" whatever that is, is not a baboon

[silver steeple]

It is still a big ape but like not much more than modern gorillas

[hard elbow]

Lemurs are cool don't get me wrong but they're not so special that you can just say "there's no point in adding any other primates when lemurs exist"

[silver steeple]

Lemurs are so different that both can coexist

[hard elbow]

Exactly

[hard elbow]

Yup yup this

Which is cool especially for a pongine

[plush nacelle]

Of course it is overhyped. No one talks about it outside ark and being the scariest primate ever

[silver steeple]

No one talks about Moschops outside of Ark

Does that make Moschops overhyped?

What a silly argument lmfao

[abstract compass]

Archaeoindris slander

[hard elbow]

If nobody talks about an animal outside of ark I think that means the animal almost certainly isn't overhyped lmfao

You seem to misunderstand the definition of overhyped

[silver steeple]

^

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"overhyped is when I don't like thing personally but others do"

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T.rex is overhyped.

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Nobody talks about anteosaurus period and yet people in this server never shut the hell up about it

And I say this as a guy who LIKES anteosaurus

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You can thank Mammalia for that

[hard elbow]

All in all though I think it's really dumb to say an animal doesn't deserve to be included just because it's "overhyped" or something silly like that. It's even sillier to go "this animal should be included instead of more popular ones because it's obscure"

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Reasons to add an animal is like one of those triangles

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Animals being obscure doesn't make them any cooler, or better, or more deserving, and saying otherwise is, imo, childish

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Popularity, material (or general ease of reconstruction), and uniqueness

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It feels like treating animals less like, well, animals, and more like fictional characters that can be ranked or whatever. Like, "that guy is overhyped" and "this obscure thing is more deserving". These were real life organisms, and they should be appreciated for their own merits, and not be made out to be "overhyped" just because many people find them wonderful or interesting

Lions are ridiculously popular, but that doesn't mean lions are not, themselves, cool and wonderful animals

[hard elbow]

Good way to look at it

Because with PK you do have to factor in some additional aspects, which are of course quality of remains/ease of reconstruction (because there needs to be enough to make a good design from- the artists have to start somewhere)

and yeah, marketability/popularity

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again, it only happened in dino nerd community

doesn't appeared in anything else

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Pretty much

[hard elbow]

big names do sell, like it or not, and that does mean things can skew towards the spectrum of "well known", simply because you gotta put dinner on the table, and about a billion more people know what a Velociraptor is versus a Tsagaan or whatever

That doesn't mean obscure animals can't show up, but y'know, it's a tradeoff, and there's only so much "bringing attention to niche/unknown animals" you can do before you start getting diminishing returns

But unknown animals are sometimes unknown purely because they just haven't had the fortune of a good marketing team, and can often be pretty damn unique. So adding them is a way to make the roster more diverse, compelling, and go "hey, we have some stuff none of the other guys have!"

So, like so many things in life, and even in nature itself, there's trade-offs. Popular animals bring in the dough, but you're less likely to have a monopoly on them. Niche animals can be unique additions, but they don't necessarily have the same marketability

I think a decent example might be the desert update. Dilophosaurus is hugely popular and easily a big name, update-selling addition, and scelidosaurus is far from the most obscure dinosaur out there, but it's pretty niche. Scelidosaurus adds a lot of unique traits to the list (small, primitive thyreophoran) but it doesn't necessarily have the draw that Dilo does. But since Dilo is in plenty of games, Scelido helps hold people's attention for longer, once Dilo has initially grabbed it

Adding a combination of both pays off really well

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Juxia as an alt is another good example imo

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I've seen a bit of it in "general animal nerd" communities but the overlap is significant, so yeah, I agree

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A little different as its an alt instead of a bespoke animal but still

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Oh yeah Juxia is another good one

Sinotherium too

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Mhm

Alts are way easier to do it with

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Anyway that is today's Tropicola PSA. Remember to appreciate all of nature's beauty for what it is, kids, and of course, happy building :)

-# (also Dinopithecus rules RAHHHHHH)

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I fw this heavy

[neat iris]

We need it as a roomie for iguanodon

[steep tulip]

Scelido goat

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Chimps are still very complex, doing things like creating sticks for termite mounds and rudimentary tool use. The ai would need a major overhaul for australopethicus

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Pentaceratops has even more differences

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Tbf the same kinds of overhauls would need to be made for Giganto so

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I wasn’t the one making arguments for Giganto though

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That really means nothing in the context of the original discussion so I'm unsure why you felt the need to bring it up

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Pentaceratops would be a better choice than Torvosaurus

Both have longf frills

But Pentaceratops is more distinct from Triceratops than Torosaurus

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Do we have any Hadrosaurs?

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No but you acted like Australo would be unique in that case, when all great apes would require those kinds of advanced AI

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Oh, in that’s case my point extends to all great apes

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Again, that really has nothing to do with the original comment so I fail to see the point in such a response

Just feels random to say "This one is better actually" when that isn't what the original comment was about

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In the game right now? Yeah, quite a few

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Anky and a Mongolian one (IMO Tarchia) for Ankylosaurids, Edmontonia (with alts) and Polacanthus+Gastonia for Nodosaurids is quite sensible IMO

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Spicomellus

[flint sable]

Scelidiosaurus and Carnotaurus are both in the same scenario too

found in marine formations miles offshore

and we have Scelidiosaurus already and carno is basically all but confirmed

[steep tulip]

Carno formation has actually gotten quite a bit of stuff in the last few years and we are about to see other 2 quite well preserved animals from the same formation (an hadrosaur and a parankylosaur)
Doubt any will make into the game, but still pretty cool

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i’d quite like to see tarchia or euoplocephalus

[ancient ibex]

Scelidosaurus also has cf. Material from Kayenta

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toss in a parankylosaur too

[ancient ibex]

Oh yeah

[steep tulip]

There's an abstract about the paranky, it's not too dissimilar from what we already know about them, but apparently the most noticeable differences from stegourus are the tail weapon and the skull
Maybe it has a chance as an alt

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Ankylosaurus
Tarchia

Edmontonia longiceps/rugosidens + Denversaurus
Polacanthus + Gastonia

Stegouros

[ancient ibex]

Maybe Struthiosaurus in a Hatzeg pack ngl

[feral cedar]

I wouldn’t mind Sauropelta as a third nodosaurid in some Cloverly or Early Cretaceous DLC theme ngl

[ancient ibex]

Sauropelta is cool

The issue with Thyreophorans as a whole is that they are generally quite incomplete, AND the phylogenies tend to have poor coding, so relationships may be in flux

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How different are osteoderms for edmontonia species

I am curious how hard it would be for them to make alt species taking into account different osteoderms and ontogeny

[steep tulip]

Denversaurus is pretty similar to rugodisens afaik

Main differences being in the skull and size of some osteoderms

There's weird stuff going on with the other one so not too sure

Not rugosidens

Longiceps

[ancient ibex]

Horns and spike lenght pretty much

longiceps is the type species fwiw

rugosidens if split goes to Chassternbergia, because Bakker

[steep tulip]

Mhm
Without a nearly complete skeleton, I think it's hard to say for sure if the osteoderms were in the exact same spot for all 3 of them

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, shamosaurine ankylosaurids could be neat down the line; proper ones, highly doubt Spicomellus is one

[ancient ibex]

And then there's individual variation

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So even if there were, we use one as base for the others 2
Which I imagine is either one of the edmontonia species

[plush nacelle]

I imagine it would be hard for some thyreophorans to have alt since babes start with same model

[ancient ibex]

I mean, Triceratops, plus baby thyreophorans were quite lacking in scutes anyway

[plush nacelle]

Thing is when I look at baby scelido and anky all osteoderms are present from the start, which I suppose is necessary for them to grow together with animal.

So alt species would be using same configuration, but with different lenght or twists via ontogeny

Which makes me wonder how would it work for some thyreophorans

Where body proportions are similar, but osteoderm placement is kinda different

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The predator

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It would likely be rugosidens, because that's the one most reconstructions are based on

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Saurornithoides sweep

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It’s a really good Troodontid

I like Stenonychosaurus a tiny bit more but Saurornithoides has a really great and unique vibe

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They work as alts

I wouldn't worry too much of getting just one

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Do they?

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Yeah

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Why not both? We're already gonna have two dromaeosaurs, why not two troodontids

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Looking it up they’re much more closely related than I thought so yeah that makes sense

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I mean they are probably the two most different eudromaeosaurs from each other

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Yes this is true and I know we have three but Microraptor is a special case because of it not being a regular habitat animal

Oh yeah that's another thing Stenon and Saurornith share in common, they used to be Troodon

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It's not that simple

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Yeah but so was Pachycephalosaurus lol

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And really the only person who grouped Saurornith under Troodon is Greg Paul

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But yeah I didn’t realize Stenon and Saurornitholestes were so close because Stenon has a taller skull that makes it look pretty different

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Really the only missing eudromaeosaur (which Microraptor is not, by the way) of note is Deinonychus. (I guess Dromaeosaurus could would as a Utah alt)

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Yeah though a saurornitholestine would be neat

But not really a priority

[late swallow]

Saurornithoides being from djadochta is cool

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Yeah

It’d be a good companion for any of the current species (so long as you don’t have babies)

But Stenonychosaurus would add a missing piece to DP

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Dinosaur prov. Park?

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Yeah

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And with troodontids possibly being omnivores (not sure what the current consensus is), it could eat fruits as well as meat

[late swallow]

When I see DP mg brain goes two ways

And neither if them are a formation

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True

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Add Pinaco and you've pretty much got what's needed from the site

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WOOOO YEAH

[late swallow]

Give me my beans

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Live bolt cutter reaction

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Yeah I'm down for pinaco

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I can personally attest to this cause while I was volunteering last weekend I talked about Paradolichopithecus and they were really hyped about it but the name was so long they had no way of spelling it

Like half the reason T. rex is so well known is that it has a super marketable name

Same reason why velociraptor overtook deinonychus

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overrated

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explodes your bones

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Osborn was good at two things: naming things and being evil

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personally im more interested in other tyrannosaurs but i get why T.rex of all get so much attention.

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Big boi

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88 million newtons

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What having a billion specimens and being the largest terrestrial predator ever does to a mf

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Rex got well known because a mixture of Osborn's marketing for the American Natural History museum and for the fact it was the largest land predator without any real competition until like the 90's. Usage of T. Rex or T-Rex as a colliqual nickname is rare before that.

[ancient ibex]

The shift from Tyrannosaurus to T.rex is a JP thing I believe?

Funnily enough Spinosaurus was described as comparable in size a decade after Tyrannosaurus, but Osborn proceeded to ignore it lol

[ancient ibex]

The large and complete acrocanthosaur specimens are also quite recent

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Osborn 🤝 the guy who refused to move the Spino holotype
Nazis w a grudge against Spinosaurus

[ancient ibex]

Then again, Sue was found in 1990

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I don’t think that’s true

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For it's what it's worth, T. Rex the band did start in 1967 but they went under Tyrannosaurus Rex until 3 years later

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Which part lol

Because part of that was a joke

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Osborn’s refusal

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Did he write about Spino?

[ancient ibex]

Yep, past 1993 it is suddenly T.rex land

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That's just book usage of course in english

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Doesn’t look that sudden, there’s a clear trend towards it before JP makes it skyrocket

[shell sonnet]

But yeah

[ancient ibex]

Hell, the dub I watched of Jurassic Park consistently used Tyrannosaurus rather than T.rex

[ancient ibex]

There is a trend after Jurassic Park the novel

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The trend increases there but it was already steadily going up since the late 70s

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This is in Spanish, in case you're curious

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I’m curious if Paul used it

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Though certainly less complete

[late swallow]

T-Rex no spaces where

[shell sonnet]

He does, he talks a lot at a species level and T. Rex is the proper way to write it.

[ancient ibex]

Add "tiranosaurio" to the search as well

My dub was Galician but minoritarian language

[shell sonnet]

I had case sensitive on orignally

I fixed that up for English below, as well

[ancient ibex]

Although the mentions of Tyrannosaurus include all mentions of Tyrannosaurus rex

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I'm shocked that T-Rex isn't much higher

[ancient ibex]

Dunno how often "tiranosaurio rex" was used in Spanish either, but, all in all, really noticeable spikes with JP and JW

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I feel like that was the only spelling I saw for years as a kid

Then again people who spell it that way probably rarely feel the need to Google what it is

[shell sonnet]

I feel like I saw all four spellings growing up, though I can't say which was more common. And of course, when spoken outloud, there's no difference between T. Rex and T-Rex. The data is limited to literature (including scientific papers) that Google has collected.

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We need deinonychus and/or utahraptor for North American raptor rep

Leaning a bit more towards deino

[shell sonnet]

we're getting Utah but Deino is too different and important to leave out

[ancient ibex]

Hell, I'd wager even Dromaeo could sneak in

Dromaeosaurs had a long and diverse history in NA

[neat iris]

And if we get deino, then those who build “ecosystems” in the game would probably appreciate tenontosaurus

[shell sonnet]

I'd imagine Dromaeo could possibly work as an alt.

[neat iris]

https://tenor.com/view/raptors-jurassic-fight-club-gif-17281611

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Tenonto is good with or without Deino

Tenonto is just neat

[plush nacelle]

Would be dromeosaurus last minute alt then?

Like plateo gracilis

For Utahraptor I mean. I see mentioned sometimes

[steep tulip]

For who

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https://tenor.com/view/i-just-think-they're-neat-i-just-think-they-are-neat-neat-neato-potato-gif-13037576960641876940

[steep tulip]

Deino?

[plush nacelle]

Dromeosaurus alt for Utahraptor

Lowkey sad kelenken, if correct is not getting alt

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Then we can get full Phoraco

[hollow furnace]

Kelenken, if correct, is still 2 years away, considering how much they change their plans I wouldn't count anything that far away as certain lol

[steep tulip]

I feel like they too different to share animations

By size alone I mean

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Agreed

[chrome wigeon]

This guy

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Also while Dromaeo is just a skull they probably had very different proportions

[plush nacelle]

I mean some people believe dwarf palaeoloxodon could work as alt for giant one

[coarse inlet]

Yeah but those are the same genus

Dromaeosaurinae is a total mess

Dromaeosaurus is the only one that’s uncontroversially placed in it

[steep tulip]

The adult p. flaconeri would be as big as the baby of antiquus I think lol

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Technically speaking the proportions alone of falconeri shouldn't allow it to be an alt as we know them lol

[plush nacelle]

Dude is like mastodon i believe

[silver steeple]

They're very long

[coarse inlet]

True

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Antiquus for reference

I'll see if I can find a better image tho

There we go

[ancient ibex]

Wouldn't be surprised if saurornitholestines were dromaeosaurines but Utahraptor wasn't ngl

[slim flare]

Heresy

[magic grotto]

I'm hoping that we also see some prehistoric amphibians in the future, including Crassigyrinus and Laidleria.
https://youtu.be/YULv4J3obCo?si=ZgjGiVZ3pnCkExMO

[steep tulip]

Crassigyrinus is more like a stem tetrapod

[late swallow]

Looks weird, I'm kn

[silver steeple]

That makes me wonder, are alt babies of different sizes?

Time to go look

[late swallow]

Not usually I don't think?

Both torvo have the exact infant