Community Species Suggestions

[steep tulip]

Yall adding dinosaurus?

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“I Can’t Believe It’s Not Dinosaurs” Pack

• Shringasaurus
• Poposaurus
• Sillosuchus
• Postosuchus
• Desmatosuchus

[steep tulip]

Unbeelivabls

[steep tulip]

This is my dlc

[plush nacelle]

Basilosaurus

[steep tulip]

Aetosaurus for minis

[sharp dock]

so crazy there is a dinosaur named after syringes

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Eh?

[mint creek]

Hell yeah

[silver steeple]

No they're adding dinisaur smh

[late swallow]

Lapsus clavis

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i wouldnt even mind them cause they are popular but they just look generic or too similar to species already in

id rather dev time be spent on more unique species rather than some random dinosaur like, say, crichtonosaurus

[late swallow]

Crichtonsaurus is dubious btw

Reassigned to Crichtonpelta

[inner wedge]

and since the devs focus is quality over quantity i expect this to be the way the'll add animals

[inner wedge]

you won't believe it but names don't matter as much as you think in paleontology

[plush nacelle]

Names matter a lot in paleocommunity tho

[inner wedge]

right cause how else will the smash pk campaigning work otherwise

[late swallow]

Got any more jokes?

[inner wedge]

meaning: big names, some inter-family variety and that's it, no meme animals like zuul or nemegtosaurus

[inner wedge]

there is a nomen dubium already in pk

[late swallow]

Yeah I know

What are you even trying to prove

[late swallow]

Like I genuinely don't get the point you're trying to make here

[plush nacelle]

What is even meme worthy about nemegtosaurus

[coarse inlet]

How is that a meme choices they’re both good animals

[plush nacelle]

I guess zuul name origin is rather interesting

But nemegtosaurus is literally just lizard from nemegt

[coarse inlet]

It’s just a skull but like that’s still pretty good

[plush nacelle]

This why nemegtosaurus would need to come with opisthocoelicaudia alt

One is skull, other is everything else

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But they aren’t close relatives

[plush nacelle]

Doesnt matter

[toxic oriole]

Nemegtosaurus + Rapetosaurus or something
I wonder why Wikipedia says that Rapetosaurus is related to Nemegtosaurus

[plush nacelle]

In case like this

[toxic oriole]

Are the two sauropods THAT closely related?

Or is it just an idea?

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No it doesn’t

[plush nacelle]

No. We just usually slap nemegt head on opistho body

[late swallow]

It does, on Nemegto's page

[toxic oriole]

... Even Saltasaurus AND Alamosaurus?

Would you say those two animals would be alt material or something? Or uhhh
Okay maybe I am overthinking it

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Oh

[late swallow]

Personally I don't see Alamo offering anything* that Argent doesn't already provide

*maybe Alamo+T. rex synergy?

[plush nacelle]

It is cheap to make and popular

[coarse inlet]

Yeah the only thing it would add is some biogeographic synergy

[late swallow]

I also state rex as idk how mcCraensis stands

[toxic oriole]

Tyrannosaurus mcraeensis

If it exists, according to some people

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Depends on how the tyrannosaurs in its range shake out

[toxic oriole]

Specifically, Rapeto and Nemegto

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But why

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Since Alamosaurus is known from more than one place

[toxic oriole]

Just those two

[coarse inlet]

Not really

Quaesitosaurus would be the only Nemegt alt that makes sense

[toxic oriole]

Ah, right

The Mongolia stuff

So what would work for Rapetosaurus in Madagascar?

I know theres another sauropod there or something

in other words im wanting those small titanosaurs

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If we got small titanosaurs then Saltasaurus and Magyarosaurus would be what I’d prefer

[toxic oriole]

One for Hateg Island representation, one for... Wait where even is Saltasaurus from?

[slim flare]

SA

[toxic oriole]

So just some more South America representation

Eh, fair enough I guess

[slim flare]

It’s not for SA rep, it’s because it’s morphologically distinct

[toxic oriole]

Isnt there also another dwarf sauropod on Hateg Island I forgot the name of?

[late swallow]

Mag...

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Several

[late swallow]

Who has the chart

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Uriash (not really a dwarf), Paludititan, and Petrustitan

Magyarosaurus was the smallest though

3 meters long

[toxic oriole]

This ones from 4 years ago, I don't know if its accurate

Whats the most updated version of this?

[steep tulip]

Every time I hear about magyaro I hear something different

[toxic oriole]

UP TO DATE version

Like uhhh, with current knowledge

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Magyarosaurus has been split since then

[steep tulip]

Like according to some material it was europa sized but then the holotype material is like mini

[toxic oriole]

Ehh, this is all the animals on the wikipedia page

[coarse inlet]

The split was this year so it’s probably not up to date

[late swallow]

Found it

[toxic oriole]

Saw mentions of a Hateg Island Triassic Edition place

Or at least, somewhat

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What

[late swallow]

Insular Dwarfism: Triassic

Better way to phrase it I think

[steep tulip]

Never heard of it

[toxic oriole]

These, I think
Its from 4 years ago too

Some triassics

[steep tulip]

Ah
Idk

[toxic oriole]

British Islands or something

[steep tulip]

Pretty regular fauna

[late swallow]

Terrestisuchus is super cute in that rendition

I want one of those like sand lizard toy thingies

[toxic oriole]

Shame most of the fauna of the Bristol Formation as I'll nickname it would be in Vivariums, but then again...

Cant really blame some of them

[steep tulip]

Thecodontosaurus is the 5th dinosaur ever discovered

[plush nacelle]

Kuehneosaurus would be great potential to be arboreal lizard

If not the diet

[steep tulip]

Or better, named

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Magnesian conglomerate

[late swallow]

FUCKING PANTYDRACO

[steep tulip]

How possible devs gave carnivorous diet to a lizard looking thing

[late swallow]

Fuck the ICZN I'm calling it that

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Wym?

[plush nacelle]

Would be funny

[late swallow]

Read deeper in

[steep tulip]

We need stockingodon

[late swallow]

I get to actually call something Pantydraco

[coarse inlet]

Isn’t that its name

[late swallow]

Who let someone name it that in Two thousand and seven

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The Welsh

[plush nacelle]

Ngl. Mesozoic island ecosystems could learn one thing or two from cenozoic

[toxic oriole]

THAT WAS MY BIRTH YEAR, WHAT?

[late swallow]

Oh FUCK I'm old

[toxic oriole]

Of all the animals to be named...

[sinful coyote]

Pant-y-ffynnon

[late swallow]

Should have expected that

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??

[quick ore]

Speaking of, Deinogalerix is one of my biggest wants for Cenozoic terrarium animals. It's basically the only way a Eulipotyphlan could get into the game and it's a really cool and unique species.

[steep tulip]

Fax

Hoplitomeryx (my beloved) and the big rabbit/pika thing are also from there

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Microleo 💯💯💯💯💯

(not from there ofc but another big want)

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I mean we have more island fauna from the Cenozoic than the Mesozoic because more Cenozoic islands still exist than Mesozoic islands

[plush nacelle]

That one freaky marsupial

From riversleigh

Riversleigh has fun mini options

Just drop prehistoric koala in PK

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did u see the paleostream art of that formation

[steep tulip]

Yep
Was posted here a while ago I believe

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I was thinking of making a list of mammals I want most for the vivarium

[steep tulip]

Very amazing

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The giga hedgehog was among them

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https://x.com/JoschuaKnuppe/status/1949512064193491017?t=zk9ibRLjPmcT7N4h5jGuqA&s=19

Joschua Knüppe (@JoschuaKnuppe)

Many people are marginally familiar with Pleistocene island faunas. Tiny elephants and deer, giant swans and tortoises etc.
However the Late Miocene/Pliocene of Italy was also host to a unique island fauna. This is Gargano island home of the terror hedgehogs.

X · Jul 27, 2025, 4:47 PM

oh dang sorry sent it before i saw u said yes

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how would u feel about Microleo

would feel cool to come alongside Thylacoleo imo

showing the diversity in sizes of that group

[hollow flower]

True

Does feel a bit like a mini thylacoleo though

[quick ore]

I mean not really?

It would have been quite arboreal no?

[hollow flower]

Would fit and I imagine itd be pretty easy to make compared to some other vivarium critters

true

I thought Thyla was also decently arboreal though?

[quick ore]

I'm not sure about the current consensus rn but afaik I don't believe it was

it was a large macropod specialist and hunted terrestrially

I don't think anyone doubts its ability to climb trees but that would be like calling a leopard arboreal yknow?

[hollow flower]

Well said

I did think it was more arboreal in the sense of a leopard

[feral cedar]

terror hedgehogs?

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-the-hedgehog-video-game-ultimate-life-form-gun-gif-14973892910499302857

[quick ore]

well iirc there was an SVP abstract talking about research into their hunting method and the idea rn is that they used their huge thumb claws to slice the tendons of macropods and cripple them

[plush nacelle]

Would still probably need to climb something or hide in bush

[tidal flame]

Kostensuchus seems like it would be a pretty cool addition to the roster being one of the more complete crocodylomorphs we’ve found

[late swallow]

Imagine instead of a second stego we get Dippy in 17

[hollow flower]

Would much prefer that

[toxic oriole]

I wouldn't mind it though

[slim flare]

As long as we get P. spinifer… that’s an alt I won’t accept being excluded

[steep carbon]

Tennessee red panda? Big enough for enclosure?

[toxic oriole]

Uhhhh

👀
Best take a look I guess

Its a skull

Seems fairly complete

Aside from the lower jaw

Signifigantly larger than the extant Red Panda, but with a weaker bite force

... How does that work?

[steep carbon]

Eats less wood i suspect

Bamboo is tough

[toxic oriole]

So males are signifigantly twice as large as the females

No size chart for the animal?

Might have to delve deeper

[feral cedar]

what’s so special about P. spinifer?

[toxic oriole]

Alright so this is the best one I could find

Includes the modern Red Panda, the one darock mentioned, and another one

From Europe

No clue if the sizes here end up saving it from being put in a vivarium

Might have to check the size charts for the small guys that arent in vivariums too

If I had to guess, it'd BARELY make it in or something

[steep carbon]

Could be alts,

[toxic oriole]

Wouldnt work if you ask me, all three of the animals in that picture are from different parts of the world, yeah?

Plus they do seem kinda different in the reconstructions

Then again

They very well could get away with it

Like how they got away with Edmontosaurus and Ugruunaluk or however its pronounced

or maybe Juxia as something like that, getting away with it

... Are those two primitive Red Pandas even related?

Good grief

[steep carbon]

Most alts are form different parts of the world. Charnosaurs and tarbosaurus are both form asia instead of america

[toxic oriole]

If only Giraffatitan made it into the game as an alt for Brachiosaurus before hand

Though it seems to be too late for that

[steep carbon]

The smaller one could be an ontogony alt.

[toxic oriole]

Oh well, only time'll tell in the end

[slim flare]

It was probably the Pachycephalosaurus present during the K-Pg, plus it’s fairly popular having been in JW, PP and Saurian.

Making a “JW as it should have been” is kinda a dream of mine

[toxic oriole]

Stygimoloch present at THAT time? I didnt know that

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Jurassic World (Park)

(Non-Avian Dinosaurs)
15/18, 83%
Theropoda:
Y Velociraptor mongoliensis
Y Gallimimus bullatus
Y Compsognathus longipes
Y Tyrannosaurus rex
Y Allosaurus jimmadseni
Y Baryonyx walkeri
N Carnotaurus sasteri
Y Dilophosaurus wetherilli
Sauropodomorpha:
Y Brachiosaurus altithorax
Y Apatosaurus sp.
Thyreophora:
Y Ankylosaurus magniventris
Y Stegosaurus sp.
Ornithopoda:
Y Parasaurolophus walkeri
Marginocephalia:
Y Triceratops sp.
Y Pachyrhinosaurus lakustai
Y Nasutoceratops titusi
N Stygimoloch spinifer
N Pachycephalosaurus wyomingensis

[steep tulip]

Wait really?
I thought spinifer was older than the type species

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Younger

[steep tulip]

Ah
Kinda cool lol

[toxic oriole]

What does the N even stand for?

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Not confirmed

Technically

It’s actually really funny/weird that PK has like every species in JW, JWFK and the short film.

[toxic oriole]

And its funny how Pachycephalosaurus and Stygimoloch are just PERFECT for one being the alt of the ot her

[slim flare]

I mean they’re sister taxon, yeah

[toxic oriole]

I still wish Giraffatitan would've come by BEFOREHAND

[feral cedar]

You’ll be glad to know that Carnotaurus is confirmed

[toxic oriole]

But its too late for that now, or something

[slim flare]

Kinda!

Unless something changed

[feral cedar]

Mau

hold on

[slim flare]

I know Mau talked about it

[late swallow]

PK Carnotaurus will NOT look that [don't remember the word]

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However afaik he didn’t say “its coming in U19 or EA” afaik

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that'd be rad but I doubt it

[slim flare]

Because he also confirmed Dimetrodon but later

[coarse inlet]

eh????

what's that mean

[slim flare]

Not as lame as PP Carnotaurus

[toxic oriole]

Wait actually now that I think about it

[slim flare]

With its stupid arms

[feral cedar]

Well, it still means PK will get Carnotaurus so I think that wagers a “Y”

[late swallow]

i live for the bit, fam

[toxic oriole]

Does the Brachiosaurus in PK resemble Giraffatitan or the true Brachiosaurus?

I havent noticed

Or looked close enough to see

[feral cedar]

…Brachiosaurus

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I like that Carno

it's not perfect but it's a good design

[feral cedar]

I think the context was specifically referring to mating displays

[late swallow]

mostly referencing the dumbass arm wiggle

[slim flare]

He meant the arm display

[toxic oriole]

To me it kinda looked like Brachiosaurus had the body shape of Giraffatitan ingame, could just be a trick of the mind

[coarse inlet]

oh

yeah I mean I figured, that was funny but not very likely

[slim flare]

We know it’s a display structure because it’s so tiny! Wait…

(On the animal with prominent horns)

[late swallow]

Bunch of H. sapiens males use it as display...

[toxic oriole]

... Torosaurus when!?!?!??!?!?!?
Ah I can wait

[steep tulip]

Doesn't seems so to me

[feral cedar]

It’s kind of funny but the more time passes the more critical we are of PHP

[toxic oriole]

And yet the designs for some of the animals in that series are still amazing

[feral cedar]

Like, me personally I feel like them using Barsboldia over Saurolophus for Nemegt was odd

[steep tulip]

Idk
I gave it my fair share of criticism
But like, its way better than most stuff put out about dinos

[feral cedar]

yeah

[late swallow]

Bar's in hell

[steep tulip]

People tend to criticise more often because its basically the "accuracy doc" so they expect perfection from it

[feral cedar]

It’s not really a “Wow PHP was actually bad” it’s more like in hindsight some choices they made were a bit questionable at times lol

[toxic oriole]

Okay look, can someone get a side view reference of the PK Brachiosaurus model and some other depiction of Brachiosaurus for comparison (Paleo-art sense) then Giraffatitan in another one??

I swear I might not be seeing things

[feral cedar]

I’m personally a little bit nitpicky on the roster side of things for PHP but this isn’t the thread for that lol

[late swallow]

Face close up too

[toxic oriole]

I swear the shape kinda reminds me of Giraffatitan

[feral cedar]

I mean they’re both brachiosaurids

They obviously look similar

[toxic oriole]

Yet I know the slight differences between the two

Giraffatitan isnt as bulky or something

Or at least from memory

Shorter tail, somewhat

Somewhat bigger... Head bump? I'm not sure what that is

Or maybe I'm getting it mixed up

[toxic oriole]

Sorry WHAT

Giraffatitan is more complete?

[steep tulip]

Yeah

Way way more complete

That brachio is a composite of multiple findings too

[quick ore]

Giraffatitan alt when

[toxic oriole]

I think it might be too late for Giraffatitan to be an alt for Brachiosaurus ingame or something

[plush nacelle]

Giraffatitan is goated

[steep tulip]

The holotype and what can safely be attributed to brachiosaurus is like a hip some vertebrae and an arm bone

Giraffatitan is indeed goated

[quick ore]

why?

[toxic oriole]

I'm remembering how they dont want to add anymore alts to existing species (Ones that are already ingame)

[steep tulip]

The 2 were quite similar tho
I think main difference is brachio having a different skull shape and a longer torso

[toxic oriole]

But I think they said something about an exception?

[steep tulip]

Which ingame it does have

[feral cedar]

Giraffatitan was originally a Brachiosaurus species so it was the species shown all the time cause it was so much more complete

[quick ore]

when and where did they say this? that feels like a shame if so, there are some alts you can make for species in game rn still

[toxic oriole]

I actually don't know where they said it

Someone in the discussions chat mentioned that

[steep tulip]

It's pretty old

[late swallow]

yeah, was once 'Brachiosaurus brancai', now Giraffatitan brancai

[steep tulip]

I hope we get them in dlcs because kentro needs some company

[late swallow]

gets mentioned constantly tbh

[quick ore]

Giraffatitan is a pretty name too

[plush nacelle]

Perfect fossil, but somehow name is more important as usual 😔

[late swallow]

indeed. Tendaguru, yeah?

[steep tulip]

Yep

Elaphrosaurus is from there too

[toxic oriole]

And if Giraffatitan doesnt become a Brachi alt, what would be the next best thing as compensation for a alt species for Giraffatitan?

[feral cedar]

A few questions

1. Why do you use sp. for a few herbivores?
2. Shouldn’t Deinonychus be on this list?
3. Why Pachyrhinosaurus lakustai?

[feral cedar]

Giraffatitan with a Europasaurus alt

[toxic oriole]

i would've mentioned sauroposeidon but i dont see the point anyways

[plush nacelle]

One day tendaguru will get recognition it deserves

[toxic oriole]

other than early cretaceous north america rep

and such

[feral cedar]

Paraceratherium-Juxia style duo

[steep tulip]

This showcases the differences pretty well

[slim flare]

1. Their species can't be confidently identified
2. Maybe? In JP I totally agree, but JW implied they were separate completely from visitor center lore.
3. Sinoceratops is just Pachyrhinosaurus but they renamed it late in production without even changing the design.

[hollow furnace]

Pencil neck

[steep tulip]

I wonder

Even with all the assigned material

How do they know brachio tail is longer if its like 2 vertebrae

[feral cedar]

That tracks

Where’s Pteranodon, Dimorphodon, and Mosasaurus?

[left spear]

I assume this ignores CC right

(Which tbh CC 1-3 fits in the lore pretty nicely actually)

[feral cedar]

If CC goes unignored it also includes cerato, monoloph, and ourano

[slim flare]

Yes

[left spear]

Also scorpius but uh yeah

[feral cedar]

Also if one wants to be petty what about the website

edmonto, metri, microcer, sucho

[slim flare]

They're not non-avian dinosaurs

[toxic oriole]

Somewhat related, but not dinosaurs

(Somewhat)

[left spear]

Never understood why people cared about the website except for the desings themselves, It was very obviously throaway publicity

[feral cedar]

One could argue that “Jurassic World as it should’ve been” would’ve featured proto or taco instead of micro

[left spear]

When i do alternate versions of JP movies i change most of the roster either way

[toxic oriole]

It took me JUST now to realise that Pterosaurs were archosaurs as well

Damn

[left spear]

Except for the first 2 they have a very boring roster for it's size

[toxic oriole]

... Aetosaurs are archosaurs too huh?
Good grief how many archosaurs are there?

[left spear]

A lot

[coarse inlet]

so many

[left spear]

Go outside you'll probably find some

[toxic oriole]

Been there, done that

[coarse inlet]

and even more archosauromorphs

[toxic oriole]

Guess I'll say it

Prehistoric Africa deserves all the love

It really does

[left spear]

Be more specific

[toxic oriole]

Do I really have to be specific?

I'm just saying it in general

[left spear]

Like tbh i don't think Silurian africa needs more love

But Permian, Cretaceous or Cenozoic defenetly does

[dapper sky]

Prehistoric tortoise could be fun additions

[silver steeple]

Nigel literally says that PK brachi is actually brachi and not giraffa lol

[quick ore]

technically not prehistoric but I have BEEN asking for a Cylindraspis species

I think it would be a great way to give the Dodo some company

[dapper sky]

Megalochelys or Titanochelon would be interesting species to play around with

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-blight-batman-beyond-funny-narrow-it-down-gif-25176406

[steep tulip]

There's tedanguru
Maeravano technically and pleistocene madagascar

Kem kem

Uhh

Permian and triassic/early jurassic south africa is cool

Spicomellus

Doubt we getting something else from that formation

[smoky spear]

africa is pretty understudied as a whole though

a lot of stuffs there are just branded x group indet

and sit in description limbo even if they are from more studied and well known formations

[tough marsh]

kirkwood , dinosaur beds

[smoky spear]

so the list actually isnt that long

[left spear]

Elrhaz

[shell sonnet]

Erhalz

Also Tiourarén Formation

[flint sable]

me when Bahariya Formation

[quick ore]

Jebel Qatrani

[coarse inlet]

Elliot, Guettioua, Lapurr Sandstone

Oulad Abdoun

Africa is undersampled but still there's a lot

[quick ore]

How would y'all feel about Megalohyrax coming alongside Arsinoitherium from the Jebel Qatrani formation?

[hollow flower]

What rhynchocephalians would be good additions?

[left spear]

I like Priosphenodon

Really icthes the part if my brain that likes normal kingdom

Although really even sphenodon by itself wouldn't really be normal kingdom

[calm sedge]

I'm gonna be honest with you; I prefer to have dinos/prehistoric animals of similar time periods in the same enclosure, and there's a lack of boreal animals, or at least more animals from the same fossil dig sites. Can we get more of those? I figure with all the other suggestions here, they can add a bunch of they so choose later as dlc with a charge. Even as a dino fan, I'm completely unfamiliar with alot of the suggestions. And I'd rather have the more unique creatures I saw in walking with monsters, because Ive never seen them anywhere else in a game, like Anomalocaris, or Arthropleura or Inostrancevia.

Any of these would be nice.

You could probably do a dlc of an aquarium expansion, and pay like..10-15 dollars on it? I'd buy it.

Any of these in an aquarium setting or expansion would be nice.

Most of the smallish pterosaurs could just be in the aviary like the micro raptor already is.

But here's some pterosaurs for the pile of suggestions.

[sharp dock]

That pteranodon is too straight

[outer moth]

You heard the Narwhaler
Make that Pteranodon gay

[hollow flower]

Absolut

[shell sonnet]

Given that Tiktaalik is going to be a exhibit animal, I suspect these would also be minis given they're around the same size. Which is fine, but man, I really want to put Pterygotus in a tank with Dunk.

[steep tulip]

Tbh the tiktaalik they using isn't as big as the biggest pterygotus

Like there's other sea scorpions they could put inside aquariums

[shell sonnet]

Most of those animals are way too big for mini-exhibit even with the larger ones we seem to be getting. Ptera, for one, has a wingspan of 6m, way bigger than the 4x4 m^2 container they're making.

[steep tulip]

Which are smaller

[shell sonnet]

I think we need to wait and see what the actual model looks like. The concept art does show a one of the lower size estimates, but that can change.

[steep tulip]

Pterygotus is 17 species btw
When I say the biggest I mean thr biggest species
Some got also really small, if they wanted they could put one in terrariums and one in lagoons

Tho apparently the biggest one placement is a bit shaky and could be another genera
But rn it sits in pterygotus

[hollow flower]

Yup

I was gonna say we still have impacatus from my homeland but its also kinda shaky

[steep carbon]

If they do they gay pairings thing, which species are going to get it u think?

[shell sonnet]

All of them

Whatever coding is needed for one species can be replicated for the rest

[steep carbon]

The famously homophobic Ankylosaurus

J

But like, obviously the hadrosaurs are going to do it, but some things are probably to antisocial for long lasting pairs.

Wounder if it would count as an animal milestone?

[left spear]

Any Monogamous dinosaur should have it

[fleet path]

I think adding a dire wolf or big dog species would be interesting to see later on

[left spear]

Aenocyon is kidna inevitable

Great size range for NA since the only thing similar to It is atrox but It doesn't really fit the same niche

[coarse inlet]

I would really like Epicyon tbh

But I recognize Aenocyon is iconic and fits with existing species better

[quick ore]

also it's from La Brea

[glass snow]

Would be funny if the 2nd herbivore wasn’t a stego alt but was like thesc or camptosaurus

[late swallow]

I brought up dippy yesterday lmao

[steep carbon]

Campto would make sense tho, it herded with stego

[late swallow]

More-isson sauropods

[steep carbon]

Nigersaurus first

[shell sonnet]

Dippy needs to come first; it's too well-known, studied and complete not to include. After, that Niger needs to wait it's turn for Amagra, Shuno and Salta.

[median relic]

pterosaurs can be simultaneously the most elegant but demonic looking animals lol

[late swallow]

Niger and amarga can come holding hands

[fleet path]

Low-key anything is good, I just want some type of dog lol

[steep carbon]

One of the Bone crushing dogs would be cool

[silver steeple]

The boring fungus......

Borophagus would be pretty dope tho

[coarse inlet]

[shell sonnet]

No, no, no. Amagra, Shuno and Salta are best friends since the 90's when they formed the fashion club at dinosaur high school and they have been like that since. No one else has ever gotten in between their friendship.

[late swallow]

But froend for Ouranosaurus

[coarse inlet]

Yeah I really want Nigersaurus for Elrhaz exhibits

[shell sonnet]

Also in this universe, Brachiosaurus was the popular big jock and star quarterback in college but then went into a downward spiral when his wife Giraffititan divorced him and now lives on alimony checks and signings to fuel his drug use

[coarse inlet]

Epicyon is the biggest of those

[coarse inlet]

Apatosaurus and Brontosaurus are twins who keep pulling that prank where they pretend to be each other

[late swallow]

Was ist

[shell sonnet]

Sucho

[late swallow]

Makes sense

That looks like PK concept

[coarse inlet]

Wikipedia has a bunch of stuff by the artist who did that

Lots of great ornithischian art from them especially

Connor Ashbridge is the name

LOVE their stegos especially

[reef relic]

Yeah that person's super talented. I really enjoy their stuff.
Speaking of, fingers crossed for some stegosaurid representation ingame soon

[coarse inlet]

Almost certainly will be in the next full species drop next year

[reef relic]

Oh certainly, if I remember correctly Stegosaurus is one of the few animals definitively confirmed by the devs. With Utahraptor & Allosaurus

[coarse inlet]

And Baryonyx iirc

[reef relic]

oooh, I can always appreciate more spinosaurs

I'm not gonna make any direct species suggestions since I think that kinda feels moot, but I do hope we see some more non-dinosaur stuff as time goes on. Glyptodonts, sloths, chalicotheres, etc. Some triassic weirdos too, like aetosaurs or rauisuchians. I'm always a fan of the oddballs.

[shell sonnet]

Carnotaurus as well

[reef relic]

Honestly PK's designs are all so peak I'd be happy to see any species get added.

[coarse inlet]

So true

[slim flare]

Oops nothing but Carchs

[reef relic]

It's like, the only form of dinosaur media where I genuinely like every design they've shown off, it's nuts.
I mean yeah there's skins I'm not as fond of, but I don't outright dislike any of them.

If I compare to something like Path of Titans, I do really like a lot of their designs - especially the new ones I mean have you seen that Styracosaurus TLC? But they're still kiinda hit or miss.
PK's designs just scratch some itch in my nerd brain i guess

[coarse inlet]

Yeah and they often make bonkers decisions on which species to use and how to depict them

Like Metriacanthosaurus or Pyconemosaurus

[reef relic]

Idk why they made Pycno a Carnotaurus analog, there's so many other ideas for keratinized crests on the face. Speaking of, I'd love to see what whacky odd designs PK would do for a hornless abelisaurid.

[coarse inlet]

Yeah they aren’t even that close to each other. I will say the one disappointment I have with PK’s designs is that all the Carcharodontosaurus skins are very conservative with the keratin so idk how PK would do something like Rupops

[reef relic]

I didn't realize we had evidence of keratin coverings on Carcharodontosaurus. I know we have that rugged texture on the dorsal snout of Giganotosaurus, but I didn't know we had it for others in the family.

Actually, I wonder if we could get away with a Tameryraptor subspecies in the future

[coarse inlet]

I mean Carcharodontosaurus itself is pretty rugose on its face

[reef relic]

mm, I see that now.

[late swallow]

[Rugose on just about all of it that we have kekw]

[coarse inlet]

Honestly it’s more than I remembered us having

[buoyant zephyr]

Do we need any other sauropodomorph?

Plateo is kind of the baseline for most of them

[late swallow]

Could see Theco

Pantydraco is also an option

[late swallow]

In what way?

[coarse inlet]

Eoraptor

[buoyant zephyr]

The base shape

[buoyant zephyr]

Nice option

Does it count as one?

[coarse inlet]

Yes

[sinful coyote]

it's in the clade sauropodomorpha, so yeah

[late swallow]

[excessive citations]

[slim flare]

Need more evidence

[sinful coyote]

would love a vivarium sauropodomorph

[coarse inlet]

Yeah and that’s the only really good one

[late swallow]

Panphagia?

[coarse inlet]

Panphagia is less iconic than Eoraptor imo

[late swallow]

Formation buddy for another important-to-scienxe boi

[sinful coyote]

wouldn't dislike panphagia, but eoraptor seems like a more likely option

[slim flare]

Eoraptor is bit enough for full

[coarse inlet]

It’s really not

[slim flare]

Leaellynasaura sized

[late swallow]

France compy

1.2m

[slim flare]

@ancient ibex Didn’t you make a size chart about this?

[coarse inlet]

Leaellynasaura gets away with it because of the tail I think

Makes it more visible in a full habitat

[late swallow]

Lomg

[toxic oriole]

I remember last night someone asked about a Prehistoric Red Panda from North America

[slim flare]

I remember on the OG list Leptoceratops was mini-exhibit

[toxic oriole]

I already forgot the name of the animal, but it had something to do with Tennessee

[coarse inlet]

Probably because of burrowing

[ancient ibex]

Yup, Hartman has Eoraptor scaled to the expected adult size, as it is known from a subadult, one second

[slim flare]

Ah

That’s the missing sauce

[coarse inlet]

Oh didn’t realize that

[coarse inlet]

Ok never mind that’s definitely big enough

[slim flare]

Can I just say I fucking hate that Hartman doesn’t list a species on most of his skeletals? God help you if you find a sauropod skeletal out in the wild.

[coarse inlet]

That Silesaurus is smaller than others I’ve seen

[ancient ibex]

Columns are Eoraptor; Mononykus, Heterodontosaurus and Compsognathus; Auroraceratops, Hypsilophodon and Velociraptor's type; Silesaurus; and Zalmoxes

[ancient ibex]

He has their names in his site

[late swallow]

Fucking honest

That doesn't help when the images are just thrown around tho

[coarse inlet]

Might just be the posture he gives it though

[ancient ibex]

Well, that's on the internet users not being good at crediting stuff, as usual

[slim flare]

I know, but if you just find one on Google images or someones posts it

[ancient ibex]

I honestly find the name cluttering in some diagrams a bit annoying

[late swallow]

Barely

[slim flare]

All I want is a binomial

[late swallow]

Binomial, author, year, personally

[coarse inlet]

I’m used to seeing straighter legs and a raised head

[slim flare]

Also Eoraptor really does look like a sauropodomorph in that image. A tiny Plateosaurus.

[ancient ibex]

We don't have its hands tho

[late swallow]

It's a reconstruction, probably based on related genera

[ancient ibex]

Honestly, silesaurian restorations have traditionally been made with "it is not a dinosaur so we restore it this way" quite often

IIRC the forelimb proportions aren't too different from those of heterodontosaurs

[slim flare]

Aren’t basal Ornithichians bipedal?

[ancient ibex]

Yeah

[slim flare]

But all Silesaurs are quadrupedal?

[ancient ibex]

But most of the argument for restoring silesaurs on a specific way is literally "we are restoring it as a quadruped because it is not a dinosaur"

[coarse inlet]

Yeah honestly I’d assume at least facultative bipedalism if the position as an ornithischian stays

[slim flare]

Do we not have forelimbs?

Oh huh

[ancient ibex]

We have forelimbs but not hands

[slim flare]

On any of them?

[coarse inlet]

Not that I can find

[slim flare]

But those are long forelimbs

[coarse inlet]

I definitely think more work is needed but if they are ornithischians then I’d er towards bipedalism or a mix between the two for now

[late swallow]

It's also a pretty big boi

[slim flare]

Do we have any taxon close to the last common ancestor of all dinosaurs?

[late swallow]

[Relatively]

[coarse inlet]

Saltopus

Lagosuchus

Marasuchus

Bipedalism is the ancestral condition

[slim flare]

Are Herrerasaurids the most basal known dinosaurs?

[coarse inlet]

Maybe

Their exact position is debated

[slim flare]

I know

[ancient ibex]

Solidly within Saurischia as of late

[slim flare]

But the usual common answer was Eoraptor but now its a Sauropodomorph while Herrerasaurids aren’t clearly a Theropod or Sauropodomorph

[ancient ibex]

Eoraptor being the most basal was Sereno serenoing pretty much

[slim flare]

So I guess equal to Silesaurs in that way

[ancient ibex]

2 decades for it to be described

Herrerasaurs also seem to make a clade, while silesaurs are consistently a grade leading to traditional ornithischia

And Ornithoscelidia may be fully dead, as Baron was a coauthor in a paper that had the usual split this year

[slim flare]

Ornithischians are weird

They start as Silesaurs in the Late Triassic, appear in the Early Jurassic but only via Thyreophorans and then reappear in the Mid Jurassic fully diversified, afaik

[ancient ibex]

Nah

[coarse inlet]

Heterodontosaurs and some other nasal stuff like Eocursor are also early Jurassic

[ancient ibex]

Lesothosaurus may be a thyreophoran, Scutellosaurus is one without a doubt

Wait misread

Sorry

[coarse inlet]

If heterodontosaurs are marginocephalians as some have hypothesized then they have an early Jurassic record

[slim flare]

Afaik that’s not favoured by many

[ancient ibex]

It is unlikely, but heterodontosaurs being a grade leading to pachycephalosaurs explains the huge gap in their record

Drinker being a pachy is also neat, but alas Bakker lost the holotype

[slim flare]

He what

[reef relic]

Does make me wonder what weird and interesting mini-exhibit dudes we're gonna get. There's like 4 unrevealed iirc, four revealed on the trello, and one revealed in the patreon posts.

[slim flare]

I thought it was just in private hands

[ancient ibex]

Loaned the Drinker holotype and misplaced it

[slim flare]

Fuck

[coarse inlet]

Yeah it relies on Chilesaurus being an ornithischian which iirc is now not thought to be likely

[slim flare]

Isn’t the heterodont nature of Pachycephalosaurs debated or something? At least Lancian on the “fang” of Dracorex or something.

Chilesaurus for PK tbh

Such an amazing weirdo

[ancient ibex]

Yinlong has a quite heterodontosaurian skull ngl

[coarse inlet]

• Triassic fuzzy thing
• Tree lizard
• Semiaquatic mammal
• Weird dinosaur

[coarse inlet]

Hmmm

I was really hoping patrons would get another vivarium species reveal today but alas

[steep tulip]

Melanorosaurus
Lessemsaurus
Massospondylus
Stuff closer to true sauropods than to plateo

[coarse inlet]

Still think Didelphodon is likely for the mammal

[reef relic]

Are these your guesses?

[coarse inlet]

No those are hints the devs gave

[reef relic]

I think the mammal is gonna be Leptictidium, since we've already got it referenced in lots of ingame imagery

[steep tulip]

Lessemsaurus is actually a sauropod damn

[coarse inlet]

Not Semiaquatic tho

[reef relic]

Oh hell, what

Just saw those were the hints

[steep tulip]

No wait
Its debated

[coarse inlet]

I’m surprised Leptictidium isn’t on the list but that’s where we stand

[reef relic]

I'm gonna throw my hat into the ring and guess...

• Thrinaxodon
• Drepanosaurus or Longisquama
• Didelphodon
• This could be anything honestly... Uhhh. Jakapil?

[sinful coyote]

leptictidium would be a slam dunk prediction if not for those hints

[coarse inlet]

Check the diets on trello, one of those guesses can’t be true based on the Patreon revealed species

[steep tulip]

Tree lizard can't be an insectivore btw

[sinful coyote]

but no one expects the snorkel leptictidium

[ancient ibex]

It depends on how you define sauropod

[steep tulip]

Well stuff inside sauropoda

[ancient ibex]

Either Melanoro < Saltasaurus or Vulcanodon + Saltasaurus get usage

[reef relic]

How do we know tree lizard isn't an insectivore?

[steep tulip]

Reasons
We just know

[reef relic]

OH RIGHT the patreon dude

[coarse inlet]

See my previous reply

[late swallow]

Autocorrect is a bitch

[coarse inlet]

Lmao

I think that was just my thumb missing the key tbh

[steep tulip]

I'm starting to think they took an mostly insectivorous animal and gave it a meat diet because other than suminia I really have no clue

[coarse inlet]

Yeah it’s the one thing that really baffles me

I’m pretty confident on Thrinaxodon and Didelphodon and the dinosaurs could be a bunch of things

But every tree dwelling reptile I can think of is an insectivore

[plush nacelle]

Drepanosaurus, but restored as mantis-like predator

[sinful coyote]

meat hook

[plush nacelle]

Just hanging on tail all the time waiting for something to pass by just like tree pythons

[coarse inlet]

If we assume those two are true then depending on the diet they give Didelphodon it really doesn’t narrow down the diet of the dinosaur

[steep tulip]

Yall

Sphenodraco
Arboreal rhyncocephalian

Renamed this year

And probably had a more mixed diet like its close relative homoeosaurus

And its from solnhofen

[coarse inlet]

That’d be neat

Was the arboreal part known before this year?

Because I think it’s unlikely something discovered this year would be incorporated

[steep tulip]

Nope

Matter of fact

Wait nvm

They announced it in january

It wasn't discovered this year tho, It was under the genus homoeosaurus and this year got under its own genus

[late swallow]

That's a mouthful of a genus

[steep tulip]

This is like, my best bet tho
Mostly due to the solnhofen connection

Actually a lepidosaur too

Either this or suminia

[plush nacelle]

Second mini dino carnivore, if suminia then

Unless mammal is not eating fish somehow

[reef relic]

I was coming back to say a friend of mine suggested Suminia could be the tree-dweller, providing we're stretching the definition of "lizard".

[leaden hedge]

https://youtu.be/zKU_kDE4eZ0 Video I saw recently

[steep tulip]

Imagine its the lizard they found in compy stomach

[calm sedge]

So. A question. Do the dinos and species they've already included have a complete skeleton? Because that could be a factor on whether something is included or not.

[late swallow]

Given that dinosaur names commonly have the Greek "Sauros" [Lizard] but are inequivicably not lizards, things like drepanosaurs shouldn't be off the table

[late swallow]

C. saharicus is like, part face and a thigh iirc

[steep tulip]

^

Scelidosaurus has a complete skeleton funnily enough

Well a complete composite but still

The minority

[late swallow]

Rex is there as well, yeah?

At least real fuckin close

[silver steeple]

It really doesn't matter that much

If an animal has a decent approximation and a popular name, its free game

[calm sedge]

Alright. Just checking.

I don't got time to look with moving day tomorrow.

[late swallow]

A. huinculensis

[slim flare]

Lotosaurus

[steep tulip]

Damn

Goes hard

[sharp dock]

where he goin

[silver steeple]

Sillyville

[slim flare]

Prehistoric Kingdom hopefully

[hollow flower]

I forgot how cursed that creature is

[late swallow]

What is it

[hollow flower]

Poposauroid

[sinful coyote]

poposauroids are so goofy i love them

[late swallow]

Paracrocodylomorph

Sounds made the fuck up, all 3 words

[coarse inlet]

Poposauroids are crocs in dinosaur costumes I love them dearly

[hollow flower]

I dont know what it is about them but they mildly disturb me

[late swallow]

Put a kobold on one

[median relic]

poposaurus is genuinely so cool

[coarse inlet]

I love them all

[median relic]

idk I just imagine Nigel Marven in game chuckling at the dinosaur allegations from the guests

[tame thorn]

Diplocaulus for terrariums. He is such a cool dude.

[reef relic]

If we go by animals referenced in-game as potential or likely additions, we do have an Anurognathid decor piece 👀

We also have references to Leptictidium, Gigantoraptor, & Maiasaura.

[sinful coyote]

don't forget Him

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/cotylorhynchus-cotylorhynchus-walk-walking-cotylorhynchus-gif-27547597

input Simpsons Do it for her but it's Coty instead of Maggie

[reef relic]

We have references to Cotylorhynchus in the game?

How did I miss that

[late swallow]

Nigel VO, not sure what animal off top me ead

[reef relic]

Oooh very nice

[sinful coyote]

i think it's in some of the staff blurbs

[buoyant vault]

europasaurus too

[steep tulip]

Also dimetrodon mosasaurus pteranodon

[late swallow]

O. megalodon, Livyatan melvillei

[shell sonnet]

I think I found something; this is an early varanid called Saniwa ensidens from the Eocene and it's diet was mostly focused on smaller lizards and bird eggs. That would make it a carn

[late swallow]

what is that in

that's so smooth

lil feesh

[slim flare]

Leaellynasaura!

[shell sonnet]

Nope, it's a lizard

Also it had four eyes

[steep tulip]

From what formation is it from?

[shell sonnet]

Wyoming

first extinct lizard named in NA

[steep tulip]

Mmmh

I think it could be a valid option as well

Then

[tame thorn]

It would be nice to see a chart showing all animals nominated thus far and a really of how many have mentioned it, it would be easier for Devs to track ..

[late swallow]

Someone did that a while back

[tame thorn]

Oh?

[late swallow]

Or at least something similar?

@limber nexus didn't you do something with a poll?

[steep tulip]

The one where thylacoleo got 0 votes

💔

[shell sonnet]

Also where Australopithecus got 30

[vivid field]

i’d love diplocaulus and anurognathus för terrariums

[vivid field]

i watched their video and it covered the most requested inthink

carno was 1

[flint sable]

ye

iirc it was Carno in first

Amarga in 2nd

and Anomalocaris in third

[limber nexus]

Indeed I did

[limber nexus]

Carno deserved it tbh

[flint sable]

I agree

also, congrats on 3k subs!

its been a bit now but havent seen you in chat lately

[limber nexus]

Yeah life kinda just caught up with me tbh

I’ll probably put more effort into being active though

Also hyenadon getting 6 votes is diabolical

[flint sable]

agreed

[coarse inlet]

I dont think it was arboreal though

[flint sable]

I did notice that quite a few of the higher up ones had letters closer to the beginning of the alphabet

Carno, Anomalo, and Amarga were both in the top

and they were both the first three letters

and iirc the poll was alphabetical order for stuff you could pick?

So I wonder if people picking earlier stuff since they didnt know what was further down the list because they saw it first

and if that signifigantly swayed the vote

I think it probably effected it some, but not much

[limber nexus]

I think I had a small role but not too significant

Because Theri was also really high, 5th or 6th place

Which is almost at the bottom

[tame thorn]

Could definitely do with a larger dromaeosaur

Austroraptor, Dakotaraptor, achillobator or utahraptor would be nice.

[steep tulip]

Well

Utah is confirmed to be coming during ea

[limber nexus]

I have bad news for Dakotaraptor

But Utah was confirmed

[steep tulip]

So you are in good luck

[tame thorn]

Hell yeah

[steep tulip]

Here's a the pic shared

[ancient ibex]

It is confirmed to be coming, but we don't know if it is during early access

[slim flare]

Technically true but… they made concept art

[reef relic]

I didn't know Europasaurus was referenced anywhere wtf
As for Dimetrodon, Mosasaurus, Pteranodon, etc. Pretty sure we don't have any references to them ingame, just old concept art before the roster got revamped

[ancient ibex]

If not coming during early access it is likely to come by full release; bit of a distinction, I expect it in the full game, but I don't quite expect it before then

[slim flare]

Oh yeah

Idk I consider U19 effectively EA

Besides vivariums and whatever the fuck they added to U19, that roadmap is pretty accurate

[wary nacelle]

Caihong for arboreal

[ancient ibex]

There are better Anchiornithids

That came out too rude, sorry

I meant, it is a neat animal, but it is a bit random, with well known iconic relatives from around the same time and place

[chrome wigeon]

We need some pterosaurs for vivarium

[steep tulip]

Same
I've noticed most of the times devs include full release in the ea discussions, like with species counts

[ancient ibex]

I mean, it is the general same approach to development

[silver steeple]

Because the beginning of "full release" and the end of EA are the same thing lol

[sinful coyote]

update 19 is both the final EA update and the transition to full release

[shell sonnet]

Update 19.1

[tame thorn]

Which I guess will be by late 2026 or early 2027 if each major update is 4 mths

[coarse inlet]

it's shiny!

[flint sable]

late 2027 seems fairly unoptomistic

[flint sable]

iirc the developers guess was roughly april-may 2027

at least mau's was

[coarse inlet]

at current rate I'd guess early 2027

[flint sable]

if we are really optimistic we could theorhetically get a late 2026 release

but I doubt it

[tame thorn]

Whoops I meant 2026-2027

[coarse inlet]

Given how this latest update is turning out I wouldnt blame them if they pushed it to Q2 2027

[ancient ibex]

If everything goes peachly I'd expect U16 late December, U17 4 months later by April, U18 another 4 months afterwards by August, and then full release 6 months later

[coarse inlet]

they clearly care a lot about taking the time to make things work regardless of the planned schedule

hence 15.1

[tame thorn]

If each update is 4 mths apart it would be Dec 2026

[coarse inlet]

which is very much a good thing

[late swallow]

i'd reckon everything about a month later than that personally, holiday breaks and all

[coarse inlet]

that's fair

[flint sable]

mhm

U19 specifically could also take signifigantly longer than a normal update

since I imagine thats where a ton of bugs might get fixed

[sinful coyote]

hopefully there won't be too many left by then.

[sharp dock]

rat

[coarse inlet]

Lancian Vivarium DLC:
Arboreal

• Avisaurus darwini
  Terrestrial
• Palaeosaniwa canadensis
• Meniscoessus conquistus
• Basilemys sinuosa
  Semiaquatic
• Champsosaurus ambulator
• Habrosaurus dilatus

[sharp dock]

I really hope we get leptic, it's a cool fellow and quite iconic

[dapper sky]

Hyaenadon would also be interesting! Some form of prehistoric canine would be cool!

[sharp dock]

wow hyenadon! I bet devs would have never considered that one!

[dapper sky]

I can't tell if that was sarcasm or not but... Thank you?

[silver steeple]

Ftr, paleosaniwa could be a habitat animal

Most estimates put larger specimens at nearly 2m

[silver steeple]

Hyaenodon was planned for EA at one point but seems to have been pushed back

[dapper sky]

Interesting

[crimson oracle]

makes sense

velociraptor is 2m so it could easily fit in a vivarium but its a habitat animal

[ancient ibex]

Hear me out I own an optimized euceratopsian roster, bwahaha

[shell sonnet]

Is the bottom one in the middle supposed to be Lepto or Udano

[ancient ibex]

Udano; Lepto's skull is roughly the size of Proto's

(I still believe those 2 would work as alts tho, juvenile Udano would look highly Lepto-like anyway)

[sharp dock]

udano is so creepy

bigass lower jaw

[ancient ibex]

Lepto already had that shape going on

But yeah, it feels off in a really cool way

[coarse inlet]

The jaw isn’t as crazy tho

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, it is a more gracile animal, while Udano was extreme

[coarse inlet]

I wonder if Udano had similar burrowing behavior

That’d be wild for an animal of that size

[ancient ibex]

I mean, bears have burrowing behaviours like most caniforms...

[left spear]

Also like ground sloths

The only reason we have few big burrowing animals is because as usual we killed them

[sharp dock]

rest in mylodon

[amber field]

But the technique would be quite different , I think udano use there jaws like a shovel

[quick ore]

giant ground sloths burrowed

[feral cedar]

ngl this really IS optimized

Of the ceratopsids two are mainly from Canada and two are from the US

Styracosaurus and Pentaceratops are Campanian, Pachyrhinosaurus and Triceratops are Maastrichtian

The Campanian ones are the possible "ancestors" of the Maastrichtian ones

And as a neat bonus it's a perfect split between which ones end with -ceratops and which ones end with -saurus lol

[reef relic]

Love that dude's stuff.
Waiter, waiter, more ceratopsians please!

[ancient ibex]

Also a very pleasant fellow and a madlad who 3D printed a lifesize Carnotaurus skull

[reef relic]

Ceratopsians & hadrosaurs are my favorite dinosaur families, so I would love to see more of them in-game even though we already have lots of great representation. I'm not biased or anything I swear

[ancient ibex]

Pentaceratops, Udanoceratops, Yinlong, Saurolophus...

[reef relic]

M̵A̶U̶,̴ ̶G̸I̷V̷E̴ ̶M̷E̵ ̷E̸I̵N̷I̴O̴S̶A̴U̵R̶U̷S̸ ̷A̸N̵D̸ ̸M̵Y̶ ̴L̵I̸F̶E̶ ̸I̶S̷ ̸Y̷O̴U̴R̴S̸

[feral cedar]

he WHAT

[ancient ibex]

Yup, TetZooCon 2023

[reef relic]

He just recently did a life size Ceratosaurus skull too

[ancient ibex]

He also did the same with Ceratosaurus this year for DinoCon, but I couldn't make it this year

[reef relic]

Ninja'd 😎

[ancient ibex]

Last year he brought Pelagornis and Stegoceras fwiw, which are also quite impressive

[shell sonnet]

same thing

[shell sonnet]

The lack of Maia being mentioned should lead to a revocation of your degree

[ancient ibex]

Eh, it is a good choice

I also am unapologetic pro-Tsintaosaurus

[feral cedar]

Para/Lambeo/Tsintao and Edmonto/Maia/Sauro would be neat hadrosaur rep

Three lambeosaurines, three saurolophines, four are from NA, two are from Asia

[ancient ibex]

Saurolophus is from NA as well

[feral cedar]

I mean that's true but let's be real 90% of Saurolophus suggestions want the giant from Mongolia primarily

[ancient ibex]

Austrokritosaurs would be neat as well, as would near-hadrosaurids such as Telmatosaurus and Tethyshadros

[shell sonnet]

And there's good reasons to be (the fact that it adds something to be both Nemegt and Horseshoe Canyon) but I'd liked at least more than 1 of the five most important dino finds of the 20th century to be represented

[ancient ibex]

Or Bactrosaurus in all its vanilla glory

[silver steeple]

Would love an austrokritosaur

[shell sonnet]

Bactosaurus would be my choice; Gigantoraptor neighbor

[silver steeple]

Tethyshadros hits the small hadrosaur niche right on the head

[ancient ibex]

Both Saurolophus and Maiasaura would be great

Ornithopods in general are great

[shell sonnet]

I agree but if I could chose just one

[silver steeple]

Ornithopods being our hoofstock equivalent for the most part lends to a lot of good choices

[feral cedar]

Parasaurolophus walkeri/cyrtocristatus + Charonosaurus
Lambeosaurus + Corythosaurus
Tsintaosaurus

Edmontosaurus annectens/regalis
Saurolophus angustirostris/osborni
Maiasaura

^ My perfect hadrosaur roster

[ancient ibex]

Honestly, been 7 years of JWE just choosing one, won't be reductionist with that

[shell sonnet]

Also, we need some more non-hadrosaurs orninthopods; Zalmoxes, Campto, Tenonto and Hyspi (with a few alts for them)

[feral cedar]

I'm not sure about alts but I do think that all four of these should be added

[shell sonnet]

I'd personally add Krito/Grypo

[silver steeple]

Ye idk if those have any especially good alts

[shell sonnet]

Zalmoxes has two species

[trail moth]

tenonto would be nice for people who love the cloverly formation (myself included)

[feral cedar]

Zalmoxes could easily be filler for a pack themed around Hatzegopteryx and the other three are good filler for formation enclosures

[shell sonnet]

Tenontosaurus has a cedar Mountain counterpart with Iani Smithi

[feral cedar]

The Cloverly Formation's fall from grace in PK is truly tragic

We lost Sauropelta and Tenontosaurus :(

[shell sonnet]

Hypsilophodon has Hexinlusaurus for Shaximiao

[feral cedar]

And I think Deinonychus was replaced with Utahraptor very early in the development pipeline

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, Deinon wasn't even in the 50 EAs

[trail moth]

poor acro is so lonely :c

[silver steeple]

One day

[shell sonnet]

just like with JPOG

[feral cedar]

Yeah but Cedar Mountain is a pretty broad formation

[trail moth]

shame for me because acro's my favorite carcharodontosaur

[feral cedar]

Iani is from the Cenomanian layers of the formation which means it's not a contemporary of the one Cedar Mountain animal we have in the base game

[silver steeple]

Cedar Mountain is a mess

[ancient ibex]

It is 50 million years of geological history

[silver steeple]

You really gotta go by the various members to get a clear deal of what's going on

[shell sonnet]

Hun, you're right

[feral cedar]

^

[shell sonnet]

Well I wasn't attached to it that much

[feral cedar]

I didn't know it was 50 MILLION years but yeah I knew it was very broad

[silver steeple]

Yeah I believe the oldest parts are Valangian

[shell sonnet]

I knew we had Cloverly residents also found in it

[silver steeple]

All the way to the beginning of the cenomanian

[hollow flower]

Oh lord

[silver steeple]

There ya go

[late swallow]

[feral cedar]

When people say "Cedar Mountain" what they really mean is the Yellow Cat Member which contains Utahraptor and all its friends

[silver steeple]

Usually yeah

[ancient ibex]

Utahraptor is also surprisingly old

[silver steeple]

But there's also 2 distinct parts of Yellow Cat

Upper and Lower

[shell sonnet]

and that's both upper and lower

[feral cedar]

yes

If we want to get hyperspecific, Utahraptor's friends for DLC speculation here are animals overlain in the Upper Yellow Cat Member

[shell sonnet]

Mierasaurus

[ancient ibex]

Utahraptor may be living about 4 million years after Allosaurus, and at the very least 20 million years before Deinonychus

[silver steeple]

Yup

[silver steeple]

Its really funny that Utah is among the oldest known definitive dromaeosaurs

[ancient ibex]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if it and Yurgovuchia ended up outside Eudromaeosauria proper ngl

[feral cedar]

Cedarosaurus weiskopfae
Cedrorestes crichtoni
Gastonia burgei
Hippodraco scutodens
Martharaptor greenriverensis
Moabosaurus utahensis
Nedcolbertia justinhofmanni
Utahraptor ostrommaysi

Falcarius did not live alongside Utahraptor 😔

[silver steeple]

Yeah I guess its in the lower YC

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/british-cop-screaming-screaming-sad-gif-1879411192175791821

[shell sonnet]

Mierasaurus would be better than Moabosaurus given it's more complete

[feral cedar]

Falcarius is too good to pass up though

[shell sonnet]

Agreed

[silver steeple]

Yeah

I would say it can still get the formation bonus since they aren't usually split into upper/lower members in the game but if you're cohab'ing Falcarius and Utah regardless I don't think you've got intentions on that anyway

[late swallow]

Real

[ancient ibex]

And there is also messy stuff all in all; good thing Kirkland is approachable!

[shell sonnet]

They don't do it for Dinosaur Park, so yeah weird if they did it at Yellow Cat

[coarse inlet]

I thought there was a bigger unconformity between the Morrison and Cretaceous American stuff

[coarse inlet]

Or Morrison, C. grandis is older than most of the other Morrison stuff in the game

[late swallow]

The Morrison is massive in both space and time

[toxic oriole]

I know I know, its too late for Torosaurus to be a Triceratops alt, so I thought of another idea
Torosaurus and uhhh... Pentaceratops? Yeah I am tryna stick to a Chasmosaurid Ceratopsian theme here

Actually nevermind, I don't think Torosaurus is that similar to Triceratops anyway

[late swallow]

What

They're both thought to have decended from Arrhino like 2m years prior

[shell sonnet]

Penta and Chasmo are pretty much the only two remaining chasmosaurines needed

[toxic oriole]

says who????

[coarse inlet]

Says me tbh

[late swallow]

I could go for diablo

[coarse inlet]

Honestly I’d be happy with just one of them

[late swallow]

But yeah

[slim flare]

Centrosaurine

[coarse inlet]

Centrosauine

Ninjad lol

[slim flare]

I was faster and spelled it correctly

[coarse inlet]

Yeah…

[late swallow]

You can understand my confusion at least

[slim flare]

Nope

[coarse inlet]

I can, conventionally centros are expected to have nose horns

Even though we now know it’s more complicated

[slim flare]

I still support Torosaurus on the grounds that they can do with it what they didn’t do with Triceratops. Give it a proper scaly face, and cool frill patterns.

[coarse inlet]

Triceratops has some great frill patterns

[shell sonnet]

They can do that with any chasmosaurine

[late swallow]

Given diablos basal position, it has a rather chasmosaurish look to it

[slim flare]

Yeah but other Chasmosaurines aren’t Torosaurus

[shell sonnet]

You're right, they're more unique

[coarse inlet]

Yeah a lot of them do, often I can tell because nose horn-less centrosaurs have a big nose bump

[toxic oriole]

Yeah and Torosaurus is said to have the largest skull of any land animal ever or something

[late swallow]

Pass the bottle

[toxic oriole]

Got a feeling people just have a bias against Torosaurus

[coarse inlet]

Pentaceratops iirc

[toxic oriole]

Pretty sure Pentaceratops' skull is the largest of any dinosaur to begin with
Yet Torosaurus is the largest of every OTHER animal I think

Could say the 2nd largest

2nd largest dinosaur skull or something

[shell sonnet]

Well that's not impressive

[coarse inlet]

Looks like Penta is longest but Toro is most massive

[toxic oriole]

-# certified anti-torosaurus individual right here

[late swallow]

Very much incorrect, I love it

[late swallow]

Seems to be a debate overall

[coarse inlet]

Well “titanoceratops” but pretty sure it’s widely accepted as a Pentaceratops

[toxic oriole]

And tbf, I just want Torosaurus in the game anyways

Don't really care how they do it

[late swallow]

[You can pretend your horridus are Toro]

[coarse inlet]

I’m meh on Toro, Penta would be more distinct and have almost of what makes Toro cool

[toxic oriole]

but it isnt the same...

its just not the same......

[coarse inlet]

It’s a cool Dino but not worth increasing the already bloated ceratopsid roster for

[ancient ibex]

At times just outside Chasmosaurinae+Centrosaurinae I believe, but never a chasmosaur

[late swallow]

Tbh, most of the ceratopsids we have are mid

[toxic oriole]

Heard of a Zhuchengceratops or something

[ancient ibex]

Sinoceratops

[coarse inlet]

Before we get any more Ceratopsids we need leptos

[toxic oriole]

Synonym?

[ancient ibex]

Honestly, ceratopsids are quite neat in that they don't need much innovation for solid results

[coarse inlet]

Zhuchengceratops is a lepto

[toxic oriole]

No idea how some of those ceratopsians managed to get away with looking similar to other ceratopsians but also be so distinct in some sense

[ancient ibex]

God shouldn't start typing too soon after a nap lol

[ancient ibex]

Most of them did not live at the same time

Or place

[late swallow]

Okay yeah I'm down

[ancient ibex]

And frills and horns are highly plastic and variable

[toxic oriole]

Whats next, a ceratopsian with ram horns?

[late swallow]

R.? ovatus

[toxic oriole]

"Nedoceratops" I heard about tryna look into the relatives of Torosaurus and such

[ancient ibex]

I mean we don't have the horn sheats

[toxic oriole]

Controversial genus

[ancient ibex]

Torosaurus is Triceratops' closest relative

Torosaurus is closer to Triceratops than Eotriceratops

[toxic oriole]

Aside from Triceratops, what are the OTHER relatives?

[ancient ibex]

Triceratopsini

[shell sonnet]

that and Meduesa are probably the only Centrosaurines I want added

[ancient ibex]

IMO for Centrosaurs I'd be partial to an Albertaceratopsin

[toxic oriole]

new idea, we add EVERYTHING to the game
every single prehistoric animal, every single time period, every single creature............

[ancient ibex]

Diabloceratops may be just outside Ceratopsidae, so neat thing

But IMO for Ceratopsids I'd rather have Penta before anything else, and for Ceratopsians we have a few non-coronosaurs to go

[toxic oriole]

Theres also Zuniceratops, the little guy

[silver steeple]

Zuni/turano would be dope tbh

Very unique looking fellas

[late swallow]

Dodson et al. 2020, Madzia et al. 2021, and Dalman et al. 2022 have all recovered it as a basal centrosaurine
[Phylogenetic analyses]

[shell sonnet]

Zuni would also be a reason to bring back Nothronychus

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-truth-nuke-walter-white-true-breaking-bad-truth-nuke-breaking-bad-true-gif-2370094217877194192

[toxic oriole]

Could also get a small tyrannosaur like uhhh
Yeah I dunno

Might go with Suskityrannus just to add onto the Kirkland stuff

[late swallow]

Good you picked something that isn't already in the game /lh

[toxic oriole]

... I am still not a genius on tone indicators

[shell sonnet]

Kirtland Formation would have Penta, Krito, a species of Stegoceras as well as the actual third species of Parasaurolophus (which would have been the better choice than the friendless faker that it turns out probably doesn't have the right crest)

[late swallow]

Light-hearted

[toxic oriole]

New idea, add the entirety of Parasaurolophus to the game!!!!!!

[quick ore]

I would LOVE Zuniceratops

would be cool to add alongside Nothronychus too given Nothro is a good choice overall