Community Species Suggestions

[coarse inlet]

yeah

[steep tulip]

Oh that's interesting
I've seen it depicted with more muted color than usual before, didn't know it was this variable tho

[hollow furnace]

that's not a great argument tbh, because a) just because we can only see chemical traces of one class of colour compounds does not mean other compounds were not present, and b) other pigments also have specialized and recognizable cell types and structures

[steep tulip]

I often forget how freakish psittaco actually looks like

[coarse inlet]

I'm not sure what you mean

[hollow furnace]

Borealopelta having chemical traces of pheomelanin is not more conclusive evidence of exclusively pheomelanin colouration then preserved pheomelanin melanocytes

[coarse inlet]

I'm not gonna take his whole post and put it here, but he uses a diagram that helps explain this

[hollow furnace]

can you just link the post

[coarse inlet]

xanthophores and iridophores are not preserved in fossils

[hollow furnace]

except they are

[coarse inlet]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/depressing-of-130185338?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_fan&utm_content=web_share

[hollow furnace]

https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(16)30120-8

[coarse inlet]

he talks about that one too, it's only preserved because of the method of fossilization which is not common

so phosphatized fossils could conceivably show color but as far as he indicates we dont have conclusive proof of such things in any mesozoic animal yet

though he does say some brazilian pterosaur sites are promising

[flint sable]

actually that reminds me

is there a full list of every dinosaur we have coloration from or not

the only ones I know are Pssitacosaurus, Borealopelta, and a crapton of avialans and close to avialans like Microraptor

[coarse inlet]

Psittacosaurus and Borealopelta are studied, but there's also a hadrosaur which Witton talks about as not really telling us anything except that melanosomes were there

besides that it's only feathered species

[cosmic cosmos]

dont we have something from Tupan? I could be wrong there

[coarse inlet]

yeah

he made a recent post about that one

lemme find it

[flint sable]

oof

[steep tulip]

I know they aren't dinosaurs, but we do have quite few marine reptiles as well

[coarse inlet]

Front of the crest is dark, back is light.

the feathers are more complicated

may be iridescent but only if it was in the same way as bird feathers which is really hard to say

it's very unclear if pterosaur melanosomes were more like those of birds or nonavian reptiles

there's evidence for both possibilities and more work is needed

also

his restoration of the crest looks sick and he says it's based on real data not just speculation

way cooler than basically just a big triangle

hopefully if it ever shows up in PK it'll have a shape like this

[wild meadow]

Suchomimus please

[open heron]

TBH give it alts with different crest shapes.

[late swallow]

Damn I thought this was Nycto recon discourse

[crimson oracle]

megarachne

[ancient ibex]

The small vivarium for arthropods will go hard with those ngl

[crimson oracle]

i feel like it would be oversized for those

[ancient ibex]

I don't think so

4x4 is still a significant space

[crimson oracle]

yeah it is but

i feel like in a realistic enviroment it would be way more content in the larger vivarium

[ancient ibex]

Nah

4x4 is a respectable aquarium tank for something the size of a large lobster

[plush nacelle]

The fact 4x4 is still bigger than provided scale on image 😩

[crimson oracle]

actually now that i think about it

an anomalocaris would fit snuggly in a 4x4 aquarium

this is apparently a large specimen

[ancient ibex]

Remember that 4x4 meters is already into minimalist house territory

[crimson oracle]

jeez i didnt know that my scale was that far off...

(im not mad im just shocked as hell)

[ancient ibex]

4x2x1 makes for a decent touch pool design, but that's smaller than the grid

[steep tulip]

Trilobite touching pool

[low bridge]

I need votes

Vote

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Im sucking at english

😒

What u think of some bovid to put into game??

Rusingoryx at most

[left spear]

Aurochs

[coarse inlet]

bison

for good mixed pleistocene habitats

latifrons and priscus

[slim flare]

Bring me the bison

[coarse inlet]

My problem with making a triassic wishlist is that it ends up being too big lol

[slim flare]

Chinle needs its own DLC

[quick ore]

same with Permian

[coarse inlet]

honestly I think formation-themed DLCs would be a great way to set the game apart and give ways to add more content than just species.

like a Chinle DLC could come with a Western theme or some triassic plants

[quick ore]

while I do think that is a good idea, we have no clue how many dlcs the game will be able to afford

[coarse inlet]

for sure, this is all hopeful thinking

[quick ore]

I think formation dlcs would only be a good idea if we have room for a large number of dlcs

otherwise it would be best to focus on a few dlcs that we will get the most variety out of

I also think formation dlcs should only be reserved for big, notable formations

[coarse inlet]

true

like Chinle, Morrison, Karoo

[quick ore]

mhm

or La Brea

[coarse inlet]

a La Colonia DLC would be a massive waste of time lmao

[quick ore]

yeah fr

[coarse inlet]

Maevarano might actually be good though, lots of fun guys there

[quick ore]

no one will be prepared for the peak that is the Tapinocephalus Assemblage Zone dlc 💯

[coarse inlet]

Dinocephalians are peak

[quick ore]

I just think that formation name is funny lol

[tough marsh]

TAZ

Upper i assule

assume

[quick ore]

not sure

I only mentioned as a meme but I Do love it nonetheless

[tough marsh]

Upper TAZ has this

[quick ore]

oh wait this is actually fire lol

[tough marsh]

all vertabrate taxa from the Subzone

[tough marsh]

i did this for the entire Karoo

[quick ore]

ohhh ok

[hollow flower]

Lovely

[autumn plover]

Triassic Dinosaurs is easy: Coelophysis, Plateosaurus, and then the only animal we don't yet have is Herrerasaurus.

[quick ore]

bruh

[autumn plover]

Honestly I would want more non-dinosaur triassics like Postosuchus, Placerias/Lisowicia, Desmatosuchus than Dinosaurs

[quick ore]

yes absolutely

for a sec I thought you were going to say that the only triassic animals worth adding were dinosaurs lol

[autumn plover]

oh no lol

Dinosaurs in the Triassic didn't have as much diversity as later eras

For a second after you said bruh I thought I was about to hear a lecture on why 10-20 glupshittosaurs would be a valid addition

[quick ore]

I do think maybe something like Eoraptor as a terrarium species could be nice, though the triassic has better species for that role that would add more diversity like drepanosaurs or sharovipteryx

[autumn plover]

Eoraptor i'm a take it or leave it. Herrera is better as it fills the size range betwee Coelo and Plateo better. I'd only want it if it's a terrarium animal.

[quick ore]

mhm

[quick ore]

Shringasaurus would also be goated

[autumn plover]

Yeah, Triassics should have some non-dinosaurs honestly, they were more diverse than the Dinosaurs of the era.

[coarse inlet]

Herrera is definitely the only necessary addition dinosaur wise

Lessemsaurus or Liliensternus would be cool but not really needed

[ancient ibex]

Eoraptor and Silesaurus tho

[coarse inlet]

You're right I forgot Silesaurus

But in terms of non dinosaurs I'd want at the very least

• A phytosaur
• An allokotosaur (or two, with a habitat species in azendohsauridae and a vivarium species in trilophosauridae)
• An aetosaur
• A kannemeyeriiform
• A shuvosaur
• A rauisuchid
• A drepanosaur
• A tanystropheiid (preferably 2, one arboreal and one aquatic)
• A non-shuvosaur poposaur
• An erythrosuchid
• A traversodont
• A lagerpetid

this is assumining no fully marine species either

[silver steeple]

I need Desmatosuchus

Peak aetosaur

[coarse inlet]

yeah, I said "an aetosaur" but I meant Desmatosuchus lol

Just like how I said "an allokotosaur" when I meant "Shringasaurus and/or Teraterpeton"

[quick ore]

I do think a special mention should be given to Lystrosaurus as an addition

[coarse inlet]

I was weighing that because it could be Triassic or Permian

[quick ore]

Rhynchosaurs also make for good options

Hyperodapedon as a terrarium species maybe?

maybe Brasinorhynchus as an exhibit animal

[left spear]

Tbh i think with Rhyncosaurus alone it's enough

[amber field]

or perhaps a dlc named Triassic weirdos

[left spear]

Too big

Sure some of the left outs could be added on other dlcs but ehh

Make a Chinle DLC and then a separate more general Triassic dlc

[amber field]

no we the need weird of the weird , early Triassic Marin reptiles

[left spear]

So again

To not make It a 40€ dlc

Make a Chinle dlc

Then a separate general triassic dlc

You can't physical put all worthy triassic inclusiones in a single dlc

Hell even if you went only for the basic stuff It would already be a massive dlc

[amber field]

At least I can see this guy

[left spear]

First Atopo art i've seen with flippers tbh

[left spear]

Ah its eretmo

[amber field]

yes

[left spear]

Thought It was Nothofied Atopo ngl

[slim flare]

But only from Chinle

[amber field]

This would be excellent in a vivarium animal

[feral cedar]

We’re already confirmed to get the only La Colonia animal worth adding anyway

[amber field]

okay, okay ... perhaps Chinle , and another one named marine Triassic weirdo

[slim flare]

Which contains only more Chinle species

And honorary Chinle Postosuchus

[amber field]

Postosuchus is not a marine reptile

[left spear]

yet

[slim flare]

He can do a little swim

As a treat

[amber field]

yeah , I got the idea

[left spear]

Wait until Posto gets recovered as a basal Thalattosuchian

[slim flare]

It’s clade is paraphyletic anyway

[silver steeple]

Your mother is a basal thalattosuchian

[slim flare]

Rauisuchidae

I wish they’d name the Chinle Rauisuchid.

[silver steeple]

Anyway I do think Chinle could end up dominating a Triassic pack but like

What's the chances we're getting a fuckton of Triassic weirdos to begin with

[slim flare]

High

[silver steeple]

In an ideal world yeah we'd get a lot

[slim flare]

Well define fuckton

[silver steeple]

Like 15+ non-dinos

Or even 10+

[hollow flower]

Triassic is pretty much vacant in most games I must say

[slim flare]

I’d expect like 8 late Triassic stuff besides vivariums

[silver steeple]

I could see that happening

[left spear]

10+ is pretty likely if we count all potential dlcs

[silver steeple]

That's where the issue lies

You're looking at the total potential

Which is vast, don't get me wrong

But at the same time, we dunno how far the devs want to take that kind of thing

In an ideal world we have like 5+ years of dlc

[amber field]

Western Europe had really a good collection of them

[left spear]

Well yeah but if we go super realistic we are gonna get 4 triassics for base Game and like 3 others with dlcs

[slim flare]

Herrerasaurus, Placerias, Postosuchus, Desmatosuchus I feel are all reasonably guaranteed

[plush nacelle]

If PZ told me anything then triassic even after 5 years wouldnt be completed or anything like that

[silver steeple]

We don't need to "complete" the triassic

Sad truth is that shit is gonna be left behind at some point

[left spear]

In a dream world we get Shringasaurus, Sillosuchus, Lisowicia and Atopodentatus

[quick ore]

if we were to only get a single Dicynodont I would want it to either be Placerias or Lisowicia

[shell sonnet]

And I have to wonder if a Triassic pack would be a high priority; recently extinct is seems to be at the top DLC of interest and then probably they'll want to see if flying/aquatics are viable

[left spear]

yet we are very likely to get giga as dlc

[feral cedar]

Non-vivarium Triassic additions

Herrerasaurus with feathery and scaly skins + Staurikosaurus alt
Eoraptor
Silesaurus
Tanystropheus
Placerias + Lisowicia alt
Desmatosuchus
Postosuchus
Saurosuchus
A phytosaur (Redondasaurus or Smilosuchus)
Erythrosuchus
Shringasaurus

[silver steeple]

Going purely by community interest sure

[amber field]

Lisowicia

[silver steeple]

We have no idea what the devs want to do tho

[left spear]

Tbh i think giga is inevitable merely for economic reasons

[silver steeple]

Probably so

[slim flare]

They have no idea what they want to do either

[silver steeple]

Also that

That's like half the reason that this forum exists

[quick ore]

I gotta be honest here
if we are talking about necessary additions from the Triassic and factor in that we likely won't get all of the groups we could ask for, I think Silesaurs are pretty low on the priority list. They don't really have much to them compared to the rest

[slim flare]

Seemingly they make things as they come

[silver steeple]

The other half is quarantine

[left spear]

Doubt there's anything planned past a year after full release

[shell sonnet]

Ornithosuchus woodwardi
Cynognathus crateronotus
Lotosaurus adentus
Proterosuchus

[quick ore]

also using one of your few Triassic slots just to add a basal ornithiscian feels like a waste

[plush nacelle]

With 20 animals per year at best and most of these being dinosaurs triassic is going to not have much additions probably

[slim flare]

Bait?

[silver steeple]

Nah

Silesaurus is cool

We need more stuff in that size range anyway

[slim flare]

Silesaurs are super unique and cool

[left spear]

That would be extremely lame if understandable from the devs

[quick ore]

ok but are they cooler than Desmatosuchus or Shringasaurus

[feral cedar]

Vivarium additions from the Triassic

Sharovipteryx
Drepanosaurus
Gigatitan
Longisquama
Lystrosaurus
Thrinaxodon?

[slim flare]

Where did 20 species come from?

[quick ore]

Hyperodapedon

[left spear]

Thrinax is probably the fuzzy critter

[plush nacelle]

Average number PZ is able to pump out per year

[left spear]

PZ

[plush nacelle]

And PK is not going to make more than that

Obviously

[left spear]

PK Will probably be like 8-12

[slim flare]

Also according to the original post-EA list and what Mau has said, non-dinosaurs seem to be coming a lot more later.

[left spear]

And this is being very generous

[slim flare]

Half the list was mammals and included the first non-dinosaur/non-mammal additions

[feral cedar]

Lystrosaurus is probably a weak vivarium creature since between Simosuchus being confirmed and reasonable speculation pointing towards Diictodon being within developer consideration Lystrosaurus has nothing beyond trivia going for it

[left spear]

Ehh

[silver steeple]

I could see like 15 including vivariums

[left spear]

One of the few times i would agree with Lystro merely by popularity

And i hate popularity arguments

Lystro should just be the smallest exhibit imo

[left spear]

Yeah with vivs that seems doable

[silver steeple]

I could see lystro if they go for one of the large species for a habitat animal

[left spear]

I mean tbh single species lystro

Go for the largest one

[shell sonnet]

The more famous ones are smaller though

[left spear]

Not really

Small Lystro is only famous from Dominion

All other media uses medium or large lystro

[silver steeple]

I doubt any lystro species is particularly famous over any other

[feral cedar]

Diictodon better

[silver steeple]

Except diictodon can only be a mini

Lystro could at least be a habitat species

[shell sonnet]

Nah, I see murrayi being used the most

[silver steeple]

I mean if they wanna make it a habitat animal and only one species is of that size then that's what they're gonna go with lol

[shell sonnet]

Who said they'd make Lystro a habitat species

[modest egret]

Impidens

[silver steeple]

That's why I said if

[coarse inlet]

I would pay that for a good amount of content personally

[silver steeple]

The better mini choice for dicynodonts is diictodon anyway

[coarse inlet]

exactly lol

[coarse inlet]

Qianosuchus would be cool tho

[plush nacelle]

This funny, because you then realise that PK needs to at least repeat EA launch to even recieve DLC content, which means around 1 million in cash

[coarse inlet]

Impidens is big enough to be a full size animal

[amber field]

this ?

[shell sonnet]

That's debatable and honestly I don't see why they wouldn't go for the better known animal

[coarse inlet]

yeah

marine poposaur

[coarse inlet]

Diictodon is also popular due to prior media appearances

honestly I'd be happy with either

[amber field]

Related to the ornithomimus like one ?

[coarse inlet]

not super closely

poposaurs are INSANELY diverse

[amber field]

they come on shape and sizes

[modest egret]

What about a tritylodont like oligokyphus

[coarse inlet]

poposaurs were like this close to becoming dinosaurs before dinosaurs did

actually that'd be a fun specevo project

poposauroids surviving the Triassic extinction while dinosaurs die out

[modest egret]

etjosuchus existed prior to the earliest dinosaurs, was bipedal and already had reduced forelimbs relative to other bipedal pseudosuchians like postosuchus

[coarse inlet]

yeah but that's not a poposaur, and bipedal "rauisuchians" are less diverse in lifestyle than poposaurs

[modest egret]

Fair

[quick ore]

why would it be a vivarium animal

[coarse inlet]

Depends on the species, but also burrowing behavior

though some dinos I'd want as full species were also probably burrowers (Thescelosaurus, Leptoceratops)

[shell sonnet]

The type species, aka the most commonly depicted one, is small

[coarse inlet]

that too

[hollow furnace]

Also the only one that actually survived through the P-T extinction was small

[plucky mantle]

Nope L. maccaigi was enormous and then the second largest species, L. curvatus, is known from both the Triassic and Permian

Both are animals the size of large pigs

There's genuinely no reason to put Lystrosaurus in a vivarium other than some weird attempt to stick to the type species which is already not a rule ingame

we already have burrowers as full habitat species

[plucky mantle]

That graphic is not accurate

someone tried to use it as evidence last time it was brought up

The DeviantArt page that artwork is from even acknowledges L. curvatus got to 2.5 meters long lmao

[coarse inlet]

we do?

[plucky mantle]

Psittacosaurus

[coarse inlet]

oh right

forgot about that

[plucky mantle]

And it'd be super weird to leave out Glyptodonts and ground sloths just because they're burrowers

[coarse inlet]

yeah true

and as I mentioned, thescelosaurs and leptos

[shell sonnet]

it does not say that at any point

Any mention of 2.5 meters is referenced to the genera in general and not the species in question

[plush nacelle]

There is one good reason. Devs might feel lystrosaurus is not worthwile to be habitat and will be cheaper vivarium instead

[coarse inlet]

I really do want Leptoceratops

[plucky mantle]

Here is a paper going over the size of L. curvatus and that L. maccaigi's largest specimens aren't fully grown so it was even larger than we know

[plucky mantle]

Definitely possible but IMO would be kinda sad, there's really no other Dicynodont as well known or well understood as Lystrosaurus

[wild relic]

Hey look we finally got a skeletal for Spico

[steep tulip]

Damn

That was the skull material?

[autumn plank]

Thylacine would be an awesome animal to see on PK because today is the anniversary of their extinction 89 years ago from today

[shell sonnet]

And this is why skeletals should be a must have in papers

[quick ore]

the Thylacine is about as confirmed to be coming eventually as a species could be

it's just too iconic to leave out

I do have to wonder which animals they will use to create its noises

[wicked flower]

We need a Mud Wallow for Herbivores https://youtu.be/T3fKpRK-7s4

[neat iris]

The more I see of this thing, the more I like the idea of having it in the game

[wild relic]

Yeah it is pretty cool

[neat iris]

I would hope so; a recently extinct dlc would be incomplete without it

Thylacine and dodo are practically mandatory

[quick ore]

mhm

[neat iris]

The concept roster was pretty much perfect

[steep tulip]

I hope we get some vivarium stuff as well

Since we most likely won't get all of it

[neat iris]

Passenger pigeon would have to be vivarium

It wasn’t in the concept roster but it’s completely worthy imo

[steep tulip]

There's tons of birds to choose from
Rather unfortunately for them but good for pk players (the ones that truly matter)

[neat iris]

Dodo, moa, and great auk are major ones

[coarse inlet]

and elephant bird

[chrome wigeon]

Mahajungasuchus

[hardy rock]

Kauaʻi ʻōʻō

[quick ore]

for RE options there's also Adzebills, moa nalo species, mole ducks, and Broad-billed parrots

Also something I feel like isn't discussed enough is having the Rodrigues solitaire as an alt for the Dodo

since the Dodo would likely only have a single alt, as it was only a single species

[toxic oriole]

Agriotherium, the bear

Specifically the big one from africa

... Maybe the Atlas bear too

Okay definitely the Atlas bear for the RE DLC

[neat iris]

Short faced bear

Or is that too similar to cave bear?

[toxic oriole]

No, not that I'm aware of

Might as well check something

Sub-family or something, Tremarctinae

Every other member of it is dead, except for the Spectacled Bear

Last representative

No idea if it counts as "Extant Species Representation" if its just one living representative

... Okay so Tremarctinae are a sub-family of Ursinae or something?

Whatever the case may be

[quick ore]

I'm sorry but that would be such a waste

we literally already have a member of Ursus in game

other extinct bears would be so much more interesting than what would just amount to a brown bear that is only interesting because it lived in Africa

[plush nacelle]

I wonder how Mau is going to fit all these RE animals with rather small budget in single DLC

Wouldnt be surprised, if pack is going to be just dodo, thylacine, moa, horse and parakeet + pigeon in terrarium

[quick ore]

unfortunately that feels the most likely

at least a lot of the other species left out by such a selection could come later in an island themed dlc

[shell sonnet]

you forgot the aurochs

[plush nacelle]

I think cow is going to be free update animal

[low bridge]

Take Agriotherium Africanum he wants to be taken

Neat grassland type bear

[amber field]

💯

[crimson anvil]

A list of animals I think may be fun to add:

Mesozoic:

Phytosaurus
Purrasaurus
Stomatosuchus
Guanlong
Dakotaraptor
Cryolophosaurus
Imperobator
Concavonator
Irritator
Majungasaurus
Altispinax
Austroraptor
Maip (any megaraptor would be cool tho)
Armadillosuchus
Chitipati
Giganotoraptor
Monolophosaurus
Therezinosaurus
Pachycephalosaurus
Rhamphoryncus (exhibit animal)
Miragaia
Hesperosaurus
Chungkingosaurus
Nodosaurus
Sauropelta
Spicomellius
Tanystropheus
Longisquama (Exhibit)
Depranosaur (exhibit)

Cenozoic:
Terror Birds (Any)
Moa
Sivatherium
Bromatherium
Entelodont
Bison Latifrons
Auroch
Megatherium
Platybelodon
Hyaenodon
Quinkana
Megalania
Doedicurus
Andrewsuchus
Pygmy Mammoth (it’d be adorable)
Any prehistoric horse.

[late swallow]

Dakotaraptor

[plush nacelle]

Pk could use turtle tho

[sinful coyote]

one sneak

[late swallow]

Can't personally find issue with any other listing, maybe Citipati due to it being ovi but again

[crimson anvil]

Yeah maybe Citipati might be too similar. But Giganotoraptor may be better simply due to the size difference.

But we do have several species of Paittacosaurus & Parasaurolophus so

[quick ore]

wtf is "Andrewsuchus"

or "Bromatherium"

[crimson anvil]

Chunky guy

[quick ore]

yeah that's Andrewsarchus

not suchus

[slim flare]

That's a weird depiction

[quick ore]

also I am personally against adding it

it's just so fragmentary

[crimson anvil]

Bromatherium is an ancient relative of the giraffe like Sivatherium

[sinful coyote]

ahh Bramatherium

[quick ore]

if you wanted to add a huge mammal that was more likely one of the largest carnivorous land mammals then add Megistotherium

[quick ore]

you mean Bramatherium

[crimson anvil]

Yeah I gots dyslexia my bad

[quick ore]

oh i apologize

[crimson anvil]

Surprised no one asked about Tanystropheus

[quick ore]

but fr though can we not add Dakotaraptor
if there were any dinosaur that I would be strongly against adding it would be that one

[crimson anvil]

I just find him to be a silly lil guy

[quick ore]

as I would with any other fragmentary species only popular because of stupid reasons

like Thanos

[crimson anvil]

I’d be fine with any larger raptor species admittedly.

[steep tulip]

I've seen it being asked every now and then

[crimson anvil]

Ahh

[steep tulip]

It also was more semi aquatic

So we could get it before fully aquatic species are added

[quick ore]

yes but you know that Dakotaraptor is extremely dubious and tied to a controversial person

[crimson anvil]

I did NOT know the latter actually.

[quick ore]

oh....

yeah this is

[late swallow]

Fwiw spelling is Gigantoraptor, and it's a super cool animal, and would be a more interesting Oviraptorisaur than Citipati

[Our husband has gnarly dyslexia so feel you there]

[quick ore]

explaining this DePalma rabbithole is a bit out of my wheelhouse

[late swallow]

I'm vehemently against "Dracorex" for, I guess tangentially? Similar reason

[quick ore]

oh absolutely

fuck HP

[late swallow]

That and the fact it's a juvenile of either P. wyomingensis or P. spinifer

[quick ore]

mhm

[crimson anvil]

I’m mostly against it due to the research that it’s a juvenile Pachy honestly.

Considering it was named during a time before HP controversy I’m not gonna hold That against it.

[quick ore]

even still

that's another point against it

[crimson anvil]

I actually got to hold a ‘Dracorex’ skull while on a field trip once.

[late swallow]

Yes, I did state P. spinifer. While Stygimoloch is a cool ass name, I'm hard up on it being a distinct genus.

[crimson anvil]

But yeee thanks haha ^^

[late swallow]

Would almost take immaculate postcrania to convince me

[late swallow]

Good news everyone!

We're getting Utah

Would love to get bonuses with Acro, so holding out hope for Deinoc

[crimson anvil]

But yeah, please don’t use my dinosaur suggestions as a judgement to my character. I was just trying to add some fun suggestions to a game I enjoy is all. It really isn’t that serious. I’d again be fine with any larger raptor species I just didn’t want to outright suggest Utahraptor because I kinda felt that was too obvious and- OH HEY WHAT YA KNOW!! Heck yeah!!

[late swallow]

Oh, of course, wouldn't use your animal suggestions as character dissections

That's uncouth and for example - you may not know about something

[crimson anvil]

Exactly yeah

[late swallow]

As long as we can agree that until Jane gets her proper paper, "Nanotyrannus" is dead in the water

[crimson anvil]

Hahaha yeah

[silver steeple]

Purrussaurus isn't mesozoic

[silver steeple]

Its Oviraptorosaur ftr

[crimson anvil]

Oops.

In general adding some wild crocodylomorphs would be fun. There were some pretty cool Terrestrial ones.

[left spear]

Puru is very recent actually it's from the miocene

16-5.3 mya

[crimson anvil]

Oh that’s cool

[late swallow]

My b on that one

[hollow flower]

Kayentatherium as a vivarium critter

[crimson anvil]

Oh! Sinomacrops would be an adorable vivarium critter

[silver steeple]

Anurognathus does the same thing but yeah

They're kinda all the same deal

[shell sonnet]

cracks fingers
Purrasaurus is cenozoic, not mesozoic.
As others point out, Dakotaraptor is a no-no
Imperobator is a the lower part of a leg that we don't even know what group it belongs to, just because it's in PP doesn't mean it's a good option
Altispinax is a broken piece veberates, so no and Conca fills in that spot already
Rhamphoryncus is too big to be a mini
Nodosaurus is better replaced with more complete specimen like Gastonia or Edmontonia
Spicomellius is fragmentary
Longisquama and Depranosaur[us] are interchangable
Quinkana is a mess with how fragmentary the remains are
Megalania is a just a bigger Komodo Dragon, there's more interesting extinct life

[quick ore]

ok I agree with most of these but discounting Megalania is crazy work

[steep tulip]

Well mostly about spicomellius and megalania

[quick ore]

there would be riots in the streets if the devs touched pleistocene Australia without including Megalania, also it is quite literally the best choice for an exhibit squamate unless we ever add aquatics

[shell sonnet]

"living animal but bigger" is a no-no in my book and Varanus is already part of a living genera, and no I don't care about the fact we've already got three like that in PK; I wouldn't have included those species either

[left spear]

These make sense but Spicomellus is more or less as frag as argent and yet we have it, keeping in mind spico is a much more unique choice than Argent, and i'm sorry but saying Megalania isn't worth while is just dumb

[quick ore]

dlcs aren't just for adding new species; they are also for making money and Megalania would automatically make any dlc pack it is a part of more successful

[steep tulip]

About spicomellius, it is kinda fragmentary, but it's an ankylosaur, how different could it have been proportions wise from the others? We have a good idea of what the armor looked like and thats enough imo

[left spear]

"let's not have argentavis, it's just a large andean vulture after all"

[quick ore]

tbh it would be The big seller for an Australian dlc by far

[left spear]

It also gets brownie points for being normal kingdom (Varanus priscus after all)

[shell sonnet]

once, again Argentino (and Carcha) have way more name power; if this was Therizino, I wouldn't agree with the inclusion but at least I would get it on that front

[steep tulip]

Interestingly enough, they recovered it as less basal than a lot of other stuff despite it being from the middle jurassic

Also

Its not that terrible come on

[shell sonnet]

cute, too bad this is "prehistoric kingdom"

[left spear]

Okay let's not add dodo or thylacinus then

Objectively the worst argument i've seen a while

[left spear]

Name power is the worst metric to add something

lets add troodon formosus

it has name power after all

[steep tulip]

Its not the worst metric, but it needs to be backed up by something

Like theri is big and from a great formation
There's no denying that

Troodon has none

I still have no idea about the neotype but idc

[shell sonnet]

I've higher standards for Ankylosaur material

[steep tulip]

Well
What it would have changed if it had better material?
Not much I bet

As I said, it's enough

[left spear]

And yet except for Borealo spico is a better and more unique than any of these

[mint creek]

spicomellius would go hard

[shell sonnet]

Name power is hands down the best metric for including something from a business point of view because that's what attracts sales

You also act like I would have included Argentio or Carach

[left spear]

Enjoy your 7 large carcharodontosaurs then

[shell sonnet]

I wouldn't; there's better titanosaurs and Carchas

[fresh ember]

This is just sad...

[left spear]

All this post/thread is

[shell sonnet]

The only large carachar with any real name power are Giga, Acro and Carachar

[quick ore]

then why not add Megalania?

[glass snow]

than why not megalania

it would be a habitat lizard too

filling an interesting niche

Like theres a reason species like megalodon and megalania should be added.

they are interesting for their clades

and are popular

[flint sable]

using borealopelta lowkey isnt even a fair comparison here

borealopelta is lowkey more on par with the preservation quality of certain pleistocene mummies versus most fossils

just due to the fact its essentially entirely 3 dimensional and a huge portion of the body

[feral cedar]

Spicomellus is so unique and bizarre that it cancels out its mildly scrappy nature

Sauropelta, ???, Edmontonia, ???, Borealopelta

[digital pendant]

@shell sonnet look, I get it, you are enthusiastic about the game and the future species it could have. BUT, that does not mean you can go and be smug, police, and overly critique every single suggestion posted on this chat.

Its a list dump chat that the devs may take a look from time to time to gauge interest. If anything, you belittling everyone and putting your very subjective suggestions as the pinnacle of choice only discourages others from engaging on this chat.

[steep tulip]

Am I going crazy or did messages disappear from this chat

[digital pendant]

Deleted an unrelated and unprompted conversation

[steep tulip]

Ah lol

[autumn plover]

Cave lion is in-game and its barely even bigger

Not to mention Megalania is extremely popular

[digital pendant]

I think the chat already gave their opinion on it further above. Lets move on from that conversation

[shell sonnet]

I will try to do that, but can I at least identify the ankylosaur skeletons for Plebb

[digital pendant]

I dont think calling other users plebs is doing any favors for you

I would drop it entirely

[shell sonnet]

Dr. Penugin used to go by Plebb

I'm just used to it

[digital pendant]

Ah I wasnt aware

You may on dms, lets drop this entire conversation like i said previously

[toxic oriole]

Gonna say it again
Atlas Bear

I don't give a damn if its just another Brown Bear

[left spear]

Quagga but even lamer

[flint sable]

true...

[shell sonnet]

If we didn't have the cave bear, it wouldn't be a bad choice for a recently extinct pack

[coarse inlet]

meh

it's just a bear

[left spear]

I mean i guess?

[coarse inlet]

cave bears are at least culturally important

[left spear]

but idk even without cave bear there's like 3 other cooler somewhat recently extinct bears

[coarse inlet]

yeah

and if we're talking recently extinct stuff then I feel like it's far from a priority compared to a lot of other stuff

like I'll shit talk the Quagga but it's iconic at least

[left spear]

Tbh even with the 2k years ago barrier i might take californian bear over atlas

[coarse inlet]

I mean, I still dont think we'd need an Ursus arctos of any kind

[left spear]

It would atleast fit with other north american pleistocene fauna, same cannot be said for atlas since i doubt we are getting anything in north africa from the cenozoic let alone pleistocene

[coarse inlet]

true

[shell sonnet]

A lot recently extinct is going to be very similar to living animals; stuff like the Dodo is a rarity

[left spear]

I mean, is it?

[coarse inlet]

Thylacine, Dodo, Moa, Elephant Bird

there's a lot of unique choices

Megadalapis

[shell sonnet]

They could do a Roman gladiator pack; north African elephant and the like

[left spear]

save quagga, auroch and ig american horses anything likely for RE is at the very least somewhat weird

[coarse inlet]

ok but should they?

American horses are a pleistocene extinction arent they?

[left spear]

I mean would be funny but i dont need a dlc with 4-6 quaggas

[left spear]

Yep, iirc 12-10k years ago

[coarse inlet]

so why would they be in recently extinct

[left spear]

Actually 6k

[left spear]

They are actually pretty different

[flint sable]

depends who you ask

[left spear]

specially when it comes to leg structure

to me they seem very good filler

not everyhting in a park should be a star animal

[flint sable]

the absolute latest possible date recovered for endemic new world horses is roughly 900 years ago from a study of EDNA in Mexico iirc

[coarse inlet]

I'm confused

[coarse inlet]

that seems... unlikely

[left spear]

They have their own genus which is more than any of the current normal kingdom can say

[flint sable]

however, the earliest fossil remains are from signifigantly later, about 10,000 to 8,000 years ago, whereas the more concrete EDNA records are from roughly 4000-5000 years ago in The Yukon, which I think are fairly likely

[flint sable]

definitely agreed

I do think the EDNA records from The Yukon are somewhat likely, though

[left spear]

That would mean proto aztecs would have seen horses nah thats borderline impossible

[shell sonnet]

Bluebuck, Steller's Sea Cow, Thylacine is different but otherwise kind of normal for Australia

[left spear]

what

[coarse inlet]

I just dont understand how it connects to the discussion we were having

Thylacine is NOT normal

what?

[flint sable]

Bluebuck ill agree was essentially just an antelope

Steller's Sea cow you can also make the argument for, despite its huge size

[coarse inlet]

predatory marsupials of that size and appearance do not exist rn

[flint sable]

but the Thylacine was not normal even for uhhh

[left spear]

Bluebuck i like again as filler, same with the american horses or panthera

[flint sable]

australian standards

since iirc Thylacinidae as a family is super old and diverged from the other dasyurids during like the Oligocene

so they were very distinct

even from members of the same group

more distinct than even Numbats are from Tasmanian Devils and Dunnarts

[left spear]

thylacine was a weirdo yeah, the only marsupial weirder would have been its big cousin

[flint sable]

?

T potens?

[left spear]

Not so scientific

Thylacoleo

[flint sable]

oh Thylacoleo

[coarse inlet]

these do not look the same at all

[flint sable]

yeah

[flint sable]

definitely

also the ammount of convergence in Thylacines with canids is like almost absurd

the front half of their skeleton is essentially identical to canids

and externally speaking they were also very close in appearance

[shell sonnet]

Australian standards are set by this little thing. If you're not weirder than that, you're normal. Also if you're not poisonous.

[flint sable]

the platypus is an outlier not the rule

also comparing a monotreme to a marsupial is a bit unfair

if you were gonna at least compare, at least do it within Marsupials

[flint sable]

as an example, heres a Thylacine vs Wolf skull

[left spear]

Platypus are not standard australian animals

[coarse inlet]

this does also does not look like a thylacine

[flint sable]

definitely some differences, but an amateur could definitely make the mistake

[coarse inlet]

the fuck

[left spear]

Choose something more or less cosmopolitan for the standard

[flint sable]

probably would be closer to a fox skull

[flint sable]

fr

its actually insane

[coarse inlet]

the point is that calling the Thylacine normal in this context implies it doesnt stand out from extant fauna

which is objectively untrue

[flint sable]

heres another one

[left spear]

They also shared the same curse as another canid

[coarse inlet]

no matter how many quolls get mistaken for it

[flint sable]

this time with Dingo also included

[flint sable]

also, on that topic

[left spear]

poor marina wolves

[flint sable]

I dont think thylacines are alive still

[flint sable]

but I think like the only absolute way to be sure would be an EDNA study

[coarse inlet]

yeah, I dont think that's REALLY controversial among serious people

[left spear]

Thylacines in Papua is like a 5% chance

[flint sable]

and has anyone actually done a large scale EDNA study to look for them? or nah

[flint sable]

probably a bit less

[left spear]

in Tasmania obviously 0%

[flint sable]

but I definitely think that if anywhere it would be there

[coarse inlet]

do we have evidence of them in tropical habitats?

[left spear]

It's the only place where they can tbh

[flint sable]

I think EDNA studies in Papua and Tasmania could probably solve it once and for all, especially in Papua

problem with Papua is that the area is super remote

and I also dont know what kind of tech EDNA research needs, but its presumabley quite expensive

[flint sable]

ye

they inhabited Papua New Guinea untill roughly 4000 years ago we know for a fact

[left spear]

There have also been a lot of alleged sightnings

probably dogs

[flint sable]

but I think that to absolutely seal the deal for Tasmania, an EDNA study could benefit

definitely look into New Guinea though

[flint sable]

unless they already done one and found no evidence

[left spear]

Kidna depressing that of the RE species they are probably the most likely to still be alive

[shell sonnet]

I'm sure those sightings are as valid as people claiming they've heard the Ivory-Billed Woodpecker

[flint sable]

at least in the United States

since basically nobody actually has looked for them in Cuba

[shell sonnet]

The Cuban one is dead as well

[flint sable]

and if so, not nearly as extensively as the US

I think they are still dead there too

[left spear]

Next one would probably be Auk? (with a massive descent in percentatge mind you)

[flint sable]

but if anywhere, it would be there

like Thylacines

[flint sable]

if we are talking about the ones from the original RE pack?

[left spear]

Yeah

[flint sable]

ye

even then the Auk is like 10000% dead

there havent even been like any reported sightings since the 1850's

hell, even Steller's Sea Cow had some supposed sightings during the 1950's

[left spear]

I remember the FG fool saying that Stellers are just "unlikely" to be extinct

[left spear]

Wait fr?

[flint sable]

which were very likely just a whale

[left spear]

interesting

[flint sable]

apparently

[toxic oriole]

Could have also been a different manatee

[shell sonnet]

Steller's lived in the Bering Sea

[left spear]

Are there manatees in Beringia?

[coarse inlet]

There are no manatees in the arctic

[shell sonnet]

other manatees are tropical

[flint sable]

ok not the 50's but 60's mb

off the coast of Kamchatka in the Sea of Anadyr

in 1963 on a whaling ship

[left spear]

He also claimed that the Arabian ostrich is quite likely to still be alive, which like... just no

[toxic oriole]

If its anything like that one boat encounter with a "Megalodon" when it most likely was just a Basking Shark...

[flint sable]

which is quite far from where they were originally last known from

I think its almost certain it was just a random ass whale

[left spear]

I mean how much about stellers' range did we actually register

[flint sable]

from subfossil evidence or historical accounts

historical accounts its literally just Bering Island and Alvikie Island

also hold on

[flint sable]

I have a theory about this

the report mentioned Trunks

which is really strange

and wouldnt be expected

but what if it wasnt a Steller's Sea Cow, but instead a Beaked Whale?

and the "Beak" was misinterpreted as a trunk

not entirely sure how likely that is, but I think its a possibility

especially since Beaked whales are quite rare to see, even in modern times

[left spear]

That would be like the 3rd time ever where beaked whales were documented

[toxic oriole]

Imagine if it was an Elephant Seal

[flint sable]

also, Beaked Whales have been seen nearby, on Bering Island actually

[flint sable]

chat what do you mean

theres literally 1000 observations on INAT

[left spear]

✨ Exaggeration✨

[flint sable]

oh ok

actually wait hold on a minute

[left spear]

I have a more glittery version if you want

[flint sable]

apparently theres an endemic species of beaked whale to the Bering Sea???

[left spear]

✨ ✨ ✨ Hyperbole✨ ✨ ✨

[flint sable]

chat did I just solve this mystery

[flint sable]

thats in the range of where the sighting was

[left spear]

Wouldn't say bering sea species but yeah

seems likely

[flint sable]

although these guys do seem to be uhhh

smaller than what was recorded

[toxic oriole]

Could just be a trick of the light

[flint sable]

they said in the report they were roughly 20-26 feet long, these guys max out at about 18 or so

but definitely could have been a trick of the light

[left spear]

I wouldn't trust that much the account of people from a whaling ship from the 60's

[flint sable]

although one other thing, apparently they were recorded in a group of 6

[flint sable]

tbh this is just speculation at this point

[flint sable]

and iirc beaked whales are solitary?

so maybe not

[toxic oriole]

Could be a family unit

[coarse inlet]

remember those australian guys said they saw like a 200 foot megalodon lol

[flint sable]

true lol

[toxic oriole]

Lemme guess, that was the boat encounter that people thought they saw a Megalodon but it was most likely just a Basking Shark?

[slim flare]

Why?

[flint sable]

oh?

noted

ok thats my headcanon now

it was a pod of beaked whales

[left spear]

Was it duirng the day?

Because they are diurnal migratrory whales so it seems very likely it was indeed a travelling pod

[late swallow]

i saw dingo

[left spear]

People exaggerate all the time

[late swallow]

obligatory 'dingo ate your baby'

[slim flare]

A dingo really did eat her baby

[flint sable]

im trying to actually get into the source rn

but ive only used Google Books a few times before

and this is old google books

k got it

will be back in a sec

[left spear]

OK

[coarse inlet]

nah I think they just made it up so their boss wouldnt get mad at them for the boat getting messed up in a storm

[flint sable]

ok chat I have no idea how to get into it

[left spear]

🥀

[flint sable]

the sources are 50, 51, and 51

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steller's_sea_cow#cite_note-50

on here

I cant get to any of them

[left spear]

Gosh darned Deepbeakedwhale industry, trying to cover up their criminal tracks.

[frosty heron]

Big beaked whale doesn't want us to know what they're up to😠

[late swallow]

51 twice

[flint sable]

?

[late swallow]

"50, 51 and 51"

[quick ore]

what are you talking about???

like legitimately what is your argument here

how does the existence of Platypuses make Thylacines a poor dlc choice

[flint sable]

oh lol

I meant 50, 51, and 52

[hollow flower]

Stellers sea cow is the recently extinct animal I want the most

Mostly due to it being my fathers favourite prehistoric (or in this case historic) animal

[low bridge]

We need Bramatherium

[sharp dock]

daily "we need" EZ post is here 😍

[low bridge]

Daily "i need" one guy who wastes his time on my fcking message that means nothing and says: "we need EZ post is here"

I have Enough

Hope that i will be kicked by that my message higher

I hope for that

This must happen

[smoky spear]

im so confused

[shell sonnet]

Where did I say that? Of course Thylacine should be in a RE pack.

[mint creek]

Decent pick but I like Sivatherium a lot more

[amber field]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WfajV1Q8l3s9w__c2azD7NfRLceRuNkVv4uXNdcgxCg/edit?gid=0#gid=0

I did a list of possible semiaquatic mammals , you can add any thing in the list

[left spear]

I mostly miss enhydriodon

And obviously Castoroides

[plush nacelle]

This is for terrarium

[amber field]

My bed I was targeting vivarium animals 😅

[hollow flower]

Not on the computer but Kayentatherium

[amber field]

Does Cynodonts count ?

[hollow flower]

Good point

Probably not??

[feral cedar]

You’re hoping… you’ll be kicked?

[amber field]

Perhaps the Triassic critter will be one

But "fuzzy" is very vague

It Can mean something is mysteries, doesn't indicate it had actual fuzz

[quick ore]

this isn't the first time EZ has hoped that he would be kicked for whatever reason

[low bridge]

Yes i am rly hoping for that

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/rizzler-the-rizzler-christian-turn-rizzler-turn-gif-3468410536510015644

[quick ore]

EZ you don't make any sense. If you want to be kicked out of the server then just leave it yourself. Asking mods to kick you is just being annoying on purpose.

[smoky spear]

yeah rage bait is literally against the rule

[low bridge]

Thanks bye

[smoky spear]

and he left

[feral cedar]

I hope he comes back when he’s actually old enough to be here

He had some interesting ideas here and there

[smoky spear]

nah he will return no later than 2 weeks from now

[late swallow]

People have been told to chill out about his posts several times

[hollow flower]

Leedsichthys and the underrated Gyrosteus would be nice to see if we get aquatics

[median flint]

Y'all will be hearing from me.

[zinc ore]

the Protemnodon, would be good

[late swallow]

Ominous

[late swallow]

Leeds is dope, hope we get it if we get to the aquatic stage

[silver steeple]

Inverse of short faced kangaroo lol

[late swallow]

Why the long face

[steep tulip]

I need cenozoic australian rep so bad

[late swallow]

Real

I'll take any Aussie rep tbh

[steep tulip]

True

[mint creek]

Diprotodon my beloved

[late swallow]

Just 2 is criminal

[steep tulip]

How many mesozoics could we possibly get from australia

Not counting aquatics and pterosaurs

Australovenator koolasuchus

And uhh

Idk

[late swallow]

Pterosaurs are cheating imo

Rather Cosmopolitan, them

[steep tulip]

Probably, but their fossils aren't that common there

Or everywhere else for that matter

Unless they come from a great formation

[late swallow]

Obligatory Megalania, I guess?

[steep tulip]

They tend to fossilise rather poorly

Megalania is cool but not mesozoic

[late swallow]

Defo, brittle bones Nicky looking ass

[steep tulip]

For cenozoic there's a lot

[late swallow]

I am the dumb

[steep tulip]

Like I could say at least 8 all different from eachother

[silver steeple]

Wouldn't mind like Diamantinasaurus or something

One of the aussie titanosaurs has a really nice skull

[steep tulip]

Diamantina is alright
I don't care too much about it but it's not a bad pick

[silver steeple]

Ah I was thinking of Sarmientosaurus

Which is from SA, not Aus

But its closely related to diamantina

[silver steeple]

Beautifully preserved

[steep tulip]

Oh neat

[silver steeple]

Especially for a sauropod

[steep tulip]

They could probably be alt of eachother tbh

[silver steeple]

Probably ye

[steep tulip]

Diamantina holotype isn't great, but there's additional material that we have images of
But I think they are waiting for a full description

[silver steeple]

There's a sort of "internet hypothesis" that I've seen around that Diamantinasauria were probably the most prominent "antartic sauropods" given both their distribution across SA and Aus + larger than average eyes + smaller size

Dunno if the idea has ever been published on but its a neat thought

[late swallow]

Isisfordia, Confractosuchus

[steep tulip]

Never heard of them
Are they like from pleistocene aus or older

[late swallow]

Winton Fm.

[steep tulip]

That would honestly make them rank way higher on my wishlist

[late swallow]

Crocodylomorphs

[steep tulip]

Ah so cretaceous

[late swallow]

Yeh

Late

Early cret you're looking Plesio/Pliosaurs and Turtles

[silver steeple]

Middle

[coarse inlet]

Diamantinasaurus has a skull, not articulated but still quite good for a titanosaur

[silver steeple]

Interesting, I couldn't find one

Probably wasn't looking around enough

Oh its right there on Wiki lol

I feel dumb

Wow the diamantina page is extensive

[coarse inlet]

Lol bad connection ninjaed me

[silver steeple]

Someone really likes this thing lol

[steep tulip]

They aight
I prefer other croc relatives tho

[coarse inlet]

It’s one of the best known titanosaurs

[late swallow]

Same, but they were first I saw

[late swallow]

Huh

[steep tulip]

Oh so it is described

Idk why but I thought it wasn't lol

[late swallow]

What the fuck is that face

Derived ass Macronarian

[silver steeple]

The beast

[coarse inlet]

It’s really underrated

[late swallow]

Impressive to have a skull rbh

[coarse inlet]

Titanosaurs were doing so many things with their skulls we don’t even know half of the probable diversity a

[silver steeple]

Interesting how different that reconstructed skull is compared to Sarmiento

Sarmiento on the left, Diaman on the right

[coarse inlet]

Nemegtosaurus is decided to be a diplodocid, Malawisaurus was trying to be Camarasaurus

[quick ore]

how are y'all forgetting Kunbarrasaurus

[silver steeple]

Fair actually

I am shocked no one mentioned it

[inner wedge]

w-what did victor mean with that?

[coarse inlet]

Good point

[late swallow]

You'll find out!

[quick ore]

my most wanted australian dinosaur is Dromornis :)

[late swallow]

Ours is Australovenator

[coarse inlet]

Titanosaurs are like noasaurs in that we have barely any skull material but what we do have is only so helpful for reconstructing other species because it’s all so different from each other

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tbh

Australo is more important yeah

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There's the obligatory 4 main animals (megalania, procoptodon, diprotodon and thylacoleo) plus dromornis, palorchestes, thylacine, meiolania
That bigass snake
And that's not all

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I like it because of how pretty jwe2 made it [also exposed me to it]

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Australovenator is only like 3rd or 4th on my list of Megaraptorans I want tbh

[quick ore]

Thylacine is going to come in RE

so including it in this convo is kinda redundant

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It doesn’t have the BIG MEATY CLAWS

[late swallow]

If we make it that far

[steep tulip]

Well I never said we were gonna get all of them together
Just cenozoic australia animals we could get

[late swallow]

And are we talking hard confirm or soft

I like animals

They're cool

[inner wedge]

enough about most wanted who's your least wanted in PK

[quick ore]

I said this in another convo but tbh I think Australo is important to include either as an alt to another megaraptoran or as its own standalone inclusion because Australia has zero other theropod options for this game (aside from birds ofc)

[quick ore]

probably Dakotaraptor

[steep tulip]

Australo is cool I agree

[quick ore]

Nanotyrannus too

[inner wedge]

hard to add an animal that doesn't exist

[late swallow]

Repeat for Nano

[quick ore]

I mean you said least wanted so

[steep tulip]

I think I've talked enough about who I really don't want in the game lol

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Australopithecus

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Yeah, plus not really purpose of this thread

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🦓

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sometimes it helps to know what people want to see less of

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In general?

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I want us to have like double our current species count before we get another ceratopsid does that count

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I think I want less bigger giant species ingame because its hard to build habitats for them

[late swallow]

Felt

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sure even if i like them

[steep tulip]

Same
I want at least another stegosaur

[late swallow]

But also I struggle with shortstack enclosures

[late swallow]

92 at launch iirc

[silver steeple]

Yeah hoping we get more guys somewhere between like Ovi and Ourano lol

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if you want me to say which species I would want the least that both isn't disqualified and not an erroneous taxon then I would have to say the Pyrenean Ibex. Including it among any other RE species would feel like such a waste of dev time for an animal that, while it's sad that it went extinct, isn't really unique among its group. There are so many better options to include than it.

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Yeah especially huge theropods. After Allosaurus I think we need more smaller stuff

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yeah a bunch of RE animals would be hard to find interesting compared to everything else

[quick ore]

same for the Atlas bear

or the extinct grizzly species

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i personally want devs to avoid adding glupshittos as much as they can

[quick ore]

glupshittos are fine so long as they are like, extremely easy to make based off of already made animals

[steep tulip]

Some glupshittos are interesting tbh

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the reason I am so against the ibex is because it is the opposite of that

[steep tulip]

Like desmostylus is cool imo

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the reason glupshittos are called that is exactly because they aren't

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he's not, in fact it would be a nice addition of a completely extinct lineage

[steep tulip]

For me glupshitto means not well known to the public lol

Like juxia is a glupshitto too technically, but it's an interesting alt for para

[inner wedge]

like im talking about animals like giga and maiasaura, or creaures that have nothing going on for them for gameplay and variety aside of being part of a wider ecosystem

[late swallow]

U. a. californicus?

[quick ore]

yeah

or the mexican grizzly

[steep tulip]

Maiasaura?

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yeah adding them as alts is a good compromise

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[U. a. nelsoni]

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or the hundred of ceratopsians out there

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when will the devs add ichnotaxa

those are probably the actual least wanted species lol

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We already have Eubrontes

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lol

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I guess what I'm getting at is they probably wont add any extinct subspecies of Ursis arctos

[steep tulip]

Cave bear already fills that niche anyway

[quick ore]

yeah

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Another bear is enough imo

[quick ore]

there are plenty of better options for other bears

[steep tulip]

Like quagga is also just a modern zebra but we don't have horses ingame so it's cool imo

[inner wedge]

short faced bear is pretty much the only other bear the game needs

[quick ore]

quagga is also decently popular as an animal and can be the basis of other extinct horses if included

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Yeah

[silver steeple]

And will be according to Mau

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Arctodus or Arctotherium?

[inner wedge]

tarpan/wild horses are also a decent filler animal for ice age zoos

[steep tulip]

Also it's a cute starter species

[steep tulip]

True

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Tarpan aren't real but yeah wild horses are cool for more pleisto rep

[inner wedge]

aside ice age animals quagga is as far as normal kingdom should go

[quick ore]

@inner wedge

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arctodus duh

[slim flare]

We’re getting Recently Extinct DLC

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(they'll probably be alts of each other)

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ah ok

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outside of quagga no other animals speculated for holocene dlc have living genus

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I mean

Aurochs

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^

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^

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and that one i guess

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Also bison

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Tho both the horse and the zebra have living species lol

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i dont think bison will be in the dlc

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Ig auroch does too

In a way

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No but post-EA

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it's an ice age animal

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The ice age is ongoing

[steep tulip]

Depending how you consider domestic animals

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the ice age is coming

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We’re in an interglacial period of the current ice age

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I'll be honest I don't really get the hype for extinct Crocodylus species, there are extinct crocodilian genera that are more interesting.

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Ftr Arctodus and Arctotherium's striking similarity is due to convergence

[late swallow]

Just in an interglacial period :]

"Bear" and "Bear Beast"

[quick ore]

while on the topic of potential species of living genera

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Steppe hyena…

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OH

yeah

[late swallow]

You said the yeen word

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and?

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Good enough imo
They are part of the same lineage of bears and I doubt they are more distantly related than juxia is to para

[quick ore]

I think an extinct Crocuta species would be the last good choice besides Bison and Aurochs post EA and RE pack

[inner wedge]

cave hyena is decently popular

plus it will be featured in the next PP season

[quick ore]

god im so excited

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Simply figured it was worth putting out there

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What extinct crocodylus species are even worth considering over voay or hanyusuchus
Like if we get an extinct crocodilian, it should be one of them

In the RE dlc I mean

[quick ore]

I have heard people mention one called like, thorbor-something?

[late swallow]

Both the Paraceratheriidae and Juxia wikipedia pages are fucking depressing even by extinct mammal standards

[inner wedge]

well it's not that drastic of a convergent evolution, they're both bears

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Or future dlcs with the same theme

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Because they are so short?

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Thorbjarnarsoni

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this thing
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocodylus_thorbjarnarsoni
it doesn't do anything for me

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You know it's bad when the parapropalaehoplophorus page in my language is longer than that

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Yeah idk

[late swallow]

What's your native?

I get Korea vibes, idk why

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Its only really notable because the large size and short snouts were gained independent of each other

Both are tremarctine bears yeah

[late swallow]

It's the Gurren Lagaan I think

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Won't say because I'm mysterious
But central europe lol

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I hope the short faced bears in game use sounds from spectacled bears, they make some strange noises
https://youtu.be/bbjhYYithco?si=Eij5dp3D2UIDJDdJ

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Not german or french tho

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Big monitor lizard

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https://tenor.com/view/correct-futurama-the-best-kind-of-correct-yes-yep-gif-5787390

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FUCK

HOW DID I FORGET VARANUS PRISCUS

ok so is the list now:
-Cave Hyena
-Aurochs
-Steppe Bison
-Megalania

for good new inclusions to the game of extant genera?

I guess you could also add Pachycrocuta to the mix depending on what happens to it, I remember hearing talk of Brown Hyenas being living representatives of that genus

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This is good

I think we forgetting something tho

[quick ore]

yeah it's bothering me

[steep tulip]

I think haast eagle?

[quick ore]

are we forgetting any extinct Canis species?

[steep tulip]

Pretty sure it's from a living genera

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Haast eagle is good one

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Pouakai would be good but I have my doubts that we will ever see it included

that would require a flyers dlc

and we dont even know if aquatics are on the table

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Mmmh

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Dwarf hippo

[quick ore]

oh yeah those were of living genera weren't they

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Some animals from the La Brea Tar Pits would be awesome to have as well!

• Aenocyon dirus guildayi
• Camelops hesternus
• Camelops minidokiae
• Capromeryx minor
• Equus ferus occidentalis
• Mammuthus columbi
• Miracinonyx trumani
• Nothrotheriops shastensis
• Platygonus compressus
• Teratornis merriami

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Those have plenty going for tho em

[sharp dock]

tf is a camelopa

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Maiasaura isn’t my personal fave but it is a unique animal compared to what we have

[late swallow]

Is it

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Yes

We have no saurolophines outside of edmontosaurini, which look very different from the rest of the group

It wouldn’t be my pick (Gryposaurus, Saurolophus, or Brachylophosaurus would all be better) but it’s not like any other hadrosaur we have

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I'm sorry, autocorrect is being funky again

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dinisaur

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Retrosaur statues...........................................