Community Species Suggestions

[left spear]

Probably forgot about a few

[plush nacelle]

Best part of aquariums are mixed exhibits. For fish solnhofen and niobrara mini fish are the best

Any good paleozoic formation like this?

Maybe dunkleosteus adjacent fauna?

[shell sonnet]

Need Aspidorhynchus and Gebrayelichthys

[left spear]

I mean of those like 6 are Dunk like placoderms

[left spear]

Yeah i forgot about Aspido and i didn't know Gebra existied but they're funny so sure

[shell sonnet]

There's a lot of good prehistoric wildlife mods for Megaquarium

That's a good place to look

[plush nacelle]

I dont really care about specific animals. Just throw many fish

[coarse inlet]

Aspidorhynchus should break the rule of no vivarium combat

Specifically so it can attack rhamphorhynchus

[plush nacelle]

Lets not forget about freshwater fish

[left spear]

I mean i think the triarchy of Dunk-leed-Hyneria/Rhizodus is to be respected

[coarse inlet]

Yes

[left spear]

Plenty of those in the list

[coarse inlet]

Bawitus

[left spear]

Almost half i think

[coarse inlet]

Speaking of freshwater another cool Plesiosaur would be Leptocleidus

[plush nacelle]

At least 5 solnhofen fish vivariums

Probably the best place for paleo aquarium

[left spear]

Lepidocleidus and Pannoniasaurus as the freshwater notsomarine reptile duo

[coarse inlet]

Yesss

I love Pannoniasaurus

[left spear]

Eh solnhofen is nice for fish but that way too many

A lot of them are a bit samey

Give me some yixian instead

[flint sable]

me personally I like lobe finned fish without gills or fins

and legs

gotta be my favorite fish

[slim flare]

Lungfish

[flint sable]

fairly certain lungfish have fins

and dont have legs

try again

[left spear]

Kraits?

They are marine therefore fish

[flint sable]

also they have gills

[flint sable]

I mean technically yeah

they fall in the group im talking about

but dont they also have gills ish

or at least can take in oxygen from the water to a degree

or maybe thats a different sea snake

[left spear]

If you count lungs as modified gills

[steep tulip]

Well technically lungs are a modified swim bladder

[left spear]

Talking about Sea snakes Palaeophis is the obvious choice but pterosphenus would be so cool

[steep tulip]

🤓 👆

So no gills

[steep tulip]

Truth

[short rover]

Plesio, fluvio, zarafa, abysso, styxo/elasmo, aristo, rhomal, doli, lio, and plio would be my dream roster

Realistically I’d expect maybe elasmo and plio in the base game

And the rest possible dlc species

[low bridge]

THROW PATAGOPTERYX INTO GAME

[left spear]

I mean it's neat

[short rover]

Isn’t it extremely frag

[left spear]

Idk

[steep tulip]

Nope

[left spear]

Descriptions doesn't Paint It like a very frag animal

[steep tulip]

Its like chicken sized

Tho

[left spear]

It's a very old Eurnithid which is cool

[steep tulip]

So probably vivarium animal

[left spear]

85 years old

[steep tulip]

Damn I was getting used to say terrariums lol

[left spear]

Looks like perfect vivarium bird filler tbh

Great addition

[short rover]

Vivariums paints a clearer picture imo

[steep tulip]

I agree

[left spear]

i mean mini exhibits did too

It's a pretty inconsequential name change if you ask me

[short rover]

Vivariums is simpler and includes larger animals with more complex rigs

[left spear]

Fair

Titanoboa mainly

[short rover]

If they want to add titanoboa calling it a “mini exhibit” wouldn’t really make sense

[left spear]

My only fear is that archaeoindris Will be reduced to a vivarium animal

[lean hound]

I don't like the mindset of anything in that size group automatically going into a vivarium

[digital pendant]

why would it be?

[lean hound]

What's stopping it from being a full exhibit animal?

[steep tulip]

I mean chickens are pretty small

[left spear]

Climbing mostly

[low bridge]

Patagopteryx weights 2kg

[left spear]

Which yeah It probably didn't climb that much but still probably on orangutan levels, which would feel weirdo without

[digital pendant]

thats a very arbitrary thing to go and get pessimistic about

[steep tulip]

They mentioned navmesh being one problem with very small animals
Why that is so idk

[short rover]

Babies I imagine?

[left spear]

I mean tbh even getting archaeoindris is already optimistic

[lean hound]

I'd say they're just about tall enough

and their babies are a similar size to velo's

[shell sonnet]

No, no, no, you're not allowed to suggest that the game won't be a mega success that'll beat both JWE and the Isle

[digital pendant]

suspension of disbelief does wonders

[left spear]

Although viv or full animal i would gladly eat whatever they prepare for the lemur

[digital pendant]

crocodiles do literally nothing all day, but in games they are 10x more active than irl

same would apply to stuff like deinosuchus if its added

you can only get so far in terms of realism

[left spear]

I mean yeah fair, idk It would be a bit weird still, even then as i said climbing, non-climbing or viv i would buy It still

[digital pendant]

climbing animals could get their dedicated enrichment item so they can climb and thus fulfill that need

without going the pz route which lets be fair its also wonky

[left spear]

Tbh i like pz climbing, it's Broken af but It has it's charm

[short rover]

I want a little climbing heterodontosaur in U16

Would be a perfect choice

Sets it apart from the flying/gliding arboreals

[neat iris]

Fishlist

[silver steeple]

That's the way I would expect it to be done tbh

[ancient ibex]

Why Tarchia an alt? Quite distinct from Anky

[ancient ibex]

There are no climbing Heterodontosaurs tho

AFAIR that wasn't really supported

[left spear]

I mean easily substituted with a hypsilophodont

[shell sonnet]

I don't think those are climbers either

that's also an old idea that's long since fallen out of favor

[ancient ibex]

Pennaraptorans seem to be the climbing dinosaurs all in all

[left spear]

It was a JP novel reference

Tho tbh ig i didn't Mark It enough

[coarse inlet]

I wouldnt be shocked if we find a small climbing ornithischian some day but none of the ones we have are in that niche

[low bridge]

Spicymarshellmelus when?

Jurassic Hedgehog

[short rover]

Oh? I had heard there was

Odd

[coarse inlet]

I do want Heterodontosaurus as a terrarium species though

[golden canopy]

I mean honestly the game just needs more recognition, like teasing it at games con or a popular convention. Most people who play jwe2 and the isle don't know the game exist

[ancient ibex]

Shame the youtubers hyped up the PBT of U15, but didn't go over the actual release (or even the August devlog), instead going full in JWE3 video details

[golden canopy]

Ithe hype will die down eventually especially when combat comes to pk plus the full release will most likely be way after the Jwe3 hype dies out

[magic grotto]

A Bathonian Animal Pack could be cool, mainly because some very wacky creatures existed during that period (like Spicomellus)

• Adratiklit boulahfa
• Cetiosaurus oxoniensis
• Kileskus aristotocus
• Megalosaurus bucklandii
• Neptunidraco ammoniticus
• Spicomellus afer
• Thyreosaurus atlasicus
• Yangchuanosaurus shangyouensis
• Tianyulong confuciusi
• Epidexipteryx hui

[silver steeple]

Why are only the species names italicized

Besides that its a fine list

I dunno if it makes a lot of sense to have both stegosaurs from El Mers III even if they are fairly different

And Epidexipteryx doesn't make much sense since it would just be Yi 2

Tianyulong would have to be a vivarium animal but it could be neat

[magic grotto]

Yeah, Tianyulong would definitly be a vivarium

You are right about Epidexipteryx, though

[shell sonnet]

Tianyulong or Heterodonto and I'm giving my support to the latter

[tough marsh]

all the El Mers III animals damn

[silver steeple]

Tbf its one of the best Bathonian formations

[magic grotto]

Lmao XD

[tough marsh]

I wish we had more from there

[magic grotto]

I tried to do a lot of research in adding creatures that existed during the Bathonian period

Since Spicomellus existed during that time as well

[shell sonnet]

El Mers... I think not

[magic grotto]

Mostly just for DLC theming

[tough marsh]

What time frame is Afrovenator from

[shell sonnet]

Also the best Bathonian digsite for dinos is Shaxmiao

[shell sonnet]

Mid-Jurassic

[silver steeple]

Oh yeah by far

[magic grotto]

Aalenian - Tithonian

[silver steeple]

Shaximao could practically be a dlc on its own lmao

[tough marsh]

Yeah

[shell sonnet]

Bathonian-Oxfordian for Afrovenator and Jobaria's digsite; okay it's more complicated, Jobaria is dated from the early J and Afrovenator is later

[tough marsh]

I have another Permian weirdo

[magic grotto]

Don't forget the La Brea Tar Pits!

[tough marsh]

This little duck billed Dicynodont

[quick ore]

god this game really needs some dicynodonts

not only would they be great for overall diversity and the designs can look amazing with the game's artstyle

their babies would also be adorable

[silver steeple]

Lisowicia........

[quick ore]

wait serious question, are "terrariums" able to be open air? like placeable exhibits but not fully enclosed?

[silver steeple]

The current ones have a "null" state with no cage if that's what you mean

No reason to believe that isn't the case going forward

[quick ore]

Because I just got the idea of there being a placeable Diictodon exhibit with the little bubble things that zoos use for meerkat and prairie dog exhibits so that guests in your park can go inside

[flint sable]

in theory yeah, the domes probably wouldnt work but you could make a similar exhibit to outdoor prairie dog habitats yeah

unless the devs made an actual module for it

[hollow furnace]

there'll be a null option with the vivariums, so in theory there's nothing stopping you from making a (non-functional) version

(Aside from the fact we don't have the ability to make completely transparent domes without a lot of work)

[silver steeple]

Can you not make the 1/4 dome piece into glass?

[quick ore]

well I don't mean that this would be customizable

[silver steeple]

Though I suppose that would have the metal

So if that bugs you then yeah dome would be hard

[quick ore]

like it would be in a set shape with 2-3 domes for guests to go inside and poke their heads up at

[flint sable]

but you shoudl in theory be able to make essentially a regular enclosure

just hiding the vivarium nodule inside of the terrain or smth

that also reminds me of an idea I had a while ago which would essentially be a null+

[late swallow]

-# [A# I believe vivaria have been confirmed for a null style]

[flint sable]

where it would remove literally everything except for the animals if spawned in there and the hitbox

so you could make essentially entirely custom vivariums

[silver steeple]

I haven't seen such but I don't doubt it at all

[hollow furnace]

yeah that's what I meant by completely transparent

[hollow furnace]

In the January log

[silver steeple]

Ah must've missed it then

[hollow furnace]

There will also be null styling for further flexibility, allowing players to visually “combine” multiple terrariums or sink them into the ground.

[quick ore]

also besides Diictodon as a future terrarium species like this, I feel like the major Dicynodont species that would be good to add to the game would be any number of these 4, with at least 2 getting added and Lisowicia being one of them:
-Lisowicia
-Placerias
-Lystrosaurus
-Ischigualastia

[flint sable]

hmm

Ischigualastia and Placerias would probably be alts

right?

[quick ore]

ye

[late swallow]

Ischigualastia from the Fm I think it is?

[flint sable]

its from uhhhhhh

yeah

[quick ore]

Ischi would be cool because it is from the same formation as Herrerasaurus

[late swallow]

Ischigualasto?

[quick ore]

yup

[flint sable]

that place

[silver steeple]

And Eoraptor

[flint sable]

funny story about Ischigualastia, the only reason I remember it is because of a modded minecraft world I had for a whilew

where the whole world was prehistoric biomes from the mesozoic

[late swallow]

I jus want the silly Theropod-except-sometimes-its-not

[flint sable]

and I made a super gigantic basically automatic super inhumane Ischigualastia farm

[quick ore]

am I missing any notable dicynodonts or are those 4 good as the major options?

[flint sable]

since they gave really good meat and a lot of it for their size, and their babies were easy to seperate from the parents in an automatic farm

also their breeding food was really easy to get

was it unethical? yes

was it worth it?

probably

[late swallow]

we don't know non-Dinosaur taxa

[flint sable]

seem good for me

[silver steeple]

^

[toxic oriole]

I'll take a few Carboniferous NON-ARTHROPOD land dweller representation

[quick ore]

for what

terrariums?

[flint sable]

ok

have fun with

edaphosaurus

[silver steeple]

Edaphosaurus

[flint sable]

and

[silver steeple]

Lmfao

[flint sable]

idk eryops maybe

other than that its like

all terrariums no joke

[silver steeple]

I'd be down for a mini of whatever it was in WWM

Or something similar

[quick ore]

Edaphosaurus is more of a Permian-coded animal anyway

[flint sable]

I think basically those are the earliest full exhibits you could get away with

since everything before that is either too small or aquatic

[silver steeple]

All the carbo arthropods are vivariums anyway

[flint sable]

would be late carbo stuff like Edaphosaurus and Eryops

[silver steeple]

No reason Edaph couldn't have a carbo alt tbf

[quick ore]

well ofc

[silver steeple]

Unless that species is too small for some reason

[quick ore]

but i just mean that like

[silver steeple]

I getcha

Just throwing it out there

[quick ore]

it isn't emblematic of the time period is all

I do think that with Nigel voice acting for the game that adding a mini aquarium with Crassigyrinus would be very fitting and feel like a full-circle moment

finally giving a home to the species that he had to leave behind

[toxic oriole]

Insert Platyhystrix

For terrarium stuff, I guess

[coarse inlet]

I do think that pre-Permian paleozoic stuff is almost entirely terrarium stuff and a handful of aquatic or semiaquatic animals

[silver steeple]

Basically

[quick ore]

unless we ever get aquatics at least

[coarse inlet]

like an embolomere, an early stegocephalian, I cant think of anything else that's not fully aquatic that'd make sense for a full exhibit animal

and then the Permian has like... at least two dozen good candidates, probably more

[quick ore]

yeah I think for exhibit species it is really just the Permian
which isn't a bad thing; the Permian has loads of great options for exhibit species

[quick ore]

literally

[coarse inlet]

Yeah, PLEASE give me dinocephalians I am begging you devs

[quick ore]

I NEED the Permian to get its flowers

[coarse inlet]

Those dont show up until the Cretaceous though

:p

[quick ore]

no the

oh ur making a joke lol

also we are under the assumption that the only permian species planned for EA are Dimetrodon, Edaphosaurus, and maybe Coty right?

or are there more we have hints of

[coarse inlet]

Sadly I dont think any Permian species are planned for EA

[toxic oriole]

You cant be so sure

[coarse inlet]

hopefully we get a big DLC pack for it. Like there's Sphenacodonts, Caesids, Anteosaurids, Titanosuchids, Temnospondyls, Gorgonopsians, Pareiosaurs, Therocephalians, and more to cover in tems of megafauna

[quick ore]

and tons of terrarium species too

[silver steeple]

We were told that we're getting one

No clue what

Assuming its still planned

[coarse inlet]

Oh?

Didn't hear that

[silver steeple]

Mau said so some months ago

[coarse inlet]

probably will either be the "tree lizard" they talked about or something unexpected in the main roster

Dimetrodon would be a good bet if it's not a terrarium species

but there's no place on the roadmap for it

[toxic oriole]

There are many Dimetrodon genus members to select from anyway

[silver steeple]

Can't find the original comment but this is close enough

#pk-discussion message

We know its not Dimetro

[coarse inlet]

probably a terrarium species then I'd guess

We have 2 dinosaurs, which means not Permian, a mammal (not permian), a triassic critter, and the tree lizard thing

so I feel like it's gotta be the latter

but that leaves me stumped on what it could be

[flint sable]

I think theres lowkey a semi decent chance we get an additional paleozoic mini in U16, namely the arboreal lizard, and Coty in U19

Coty in U19 could definitely be Copium, but have hope

[coarse inlet]

Suminia for the "arboreal lizard" is the only thing I could think of but that's really not lizardlike at all

a varanopid maybe?

Eoscansor seems too small

[flint sable]

there is also the off chance that the permian and the triassic fuzzy critter are the same thing

one of the top guesses, Thrinaxodon, is from the Permian and Triassic

[coarse inlet]

ah

that's possible

[flint sable]

really depends on how you recon it

alot of them make it look way too mammalian

like this one as an example

where in reality it was probably something much closer to this

very reptillian looking

[coarse inlet]

still very unlizardy to me

[flint sable]

since Suminia was very much a basal therapsid

[silver steeple]

Speaking of minis

I found this critter today

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triadobatrachus

[waxen grail]

There are a lot of weird Triassic animals that could be added to the game

[silver steeple]

Probably too small, but maybe one day

[oak charm]

https://tenor.com/view/anomalocaris-cambrian-violence-opabinia-fossil-gif-24102636

What if

[neat iris]

Monkey lizards

[quick ore]

it was neither of those things

Suminia is more like a synapsid trying to be an iguana

[toxic oriole]

Prehistoric Madagascar

Nothing else for me to say

(Apparently Simosuchus is one of those guys, yet theys being added into the game in the future)

[silver steeple]

Literally in the next update yeah

[toxic oriole]

And I don't wanna leave out the Cenozoic rep for Prehistoric Madagascar either

[quick ore]

it's so sad how it isn't even "Cenozoic Madagascar" it's literally just Pleistocene/Holocene Madagascar

like there's tens of millions of years of history that we barely have any idea about

I think we just have one coastal fossil site so far with some traces of terrestrial fauna

[coarse inlet]

do we have any mesozoic madagascar stuff from earlier than Maevarano?

looks like there's a Turonian site

oh there's some triassic stuff too

[quick ore]

it's really the cenozoic that we are blind to

[plush nacelle]

Trying to convience PZ players is better probably tbh

[cosmic cosmos]

Scutellosaurus and Sarahsaurus would perfect the Kayenta Formation

[smoky spear]

scuttelo looks like a not fully grown sceli

so i dont see it getting in

[hollow flower]

I like scuttelo

[ancient ibex]

Placerias and Lisowicia more like it

[plush nacelle]

Arent lisowicia forelimbs erect?

Great animal

[tough marsh]

Which ones would you want I’m curious

[shell sonnet]

Anthracosaurus, Neopteroplax, Loxomma,

[hollow flower]

Truth nuke

[shell sonnet]

Moschops (with Ulemo as an alt), Estemmenosuchus, and Titanophoneus (preferably with an Anteosaurus alt) are must haves for a Permian based dlc. Deuterosaurus and Jonkeria would be nice as well.

[silver steeple]

More erect than Placerias yeah

It would probably need animation edits too drastic for an alt

[digital pendant]

The larger the animal the more erect the limbs will be

[silver steeple]

Yup

[tough marsh]

Ulemo being a moschops alt is weird due to how basal Ulemo is

[silver steeple]

I mean

Juxia is one of the most basal paraceratheres

[late swallow]

Opening this chat first thing in the morning with zero context

[tough marsh]

fair

[late swallow]

10/10

[tough marsh]

they do look quiet different

fossil wise

[hollow flower]

Anteo is a must have

[tough marsh]

Anteos ontogany is facinating

[hollow flower]

Karoo formation G.O.A.T

[tough marsh]

currently we have ontogany for Jonkeria Moschops and Anteosaurus

[tough marsh]

its not a formation

[shell sonnet]

I'm not an expert, but I don't feel they're that different

[tough marsh]

oh i meant Juxia and Paracera

[shell sonnet]

Fair enough

[tough marsh]

this is facinating

sorry not seen a good size view of ulemo before

that skull is so basal

[silver steeple]

And yet we have Juxia

[tough marsh]

i see your point

yeah it could be an alt

[ancient ibex]

It is literally one of Placerias' closest relatives, and Placerias' humerus is quite alike it rather than Ischigualistia's

[plush nacelle]

It would prolly look like this

[steep tulip]

I remember having this convo here about their posture, and I believe the major difference is that lisowicia had its rear end shooting upwards while placerias had a pretty horizontal spine position

[coarse inlet]

Anteosaurus, Estemmenosuchus, and Moschops.

[tough marsh]

intresting

[ancient ibex]

Most of the restorations of Placerias as of late also have vertical forelimbs fwiw

There is also a long standing tradition of bias with that

[hollow flower]

Anteosaurus, Estemmenosuchus, Tapinocephalus/Moschops, Jonkeria

Honourable mention goes to Criocephalosaurus with its megamind look

[tough marsh]

you know it has forward facing eyes and is the smallest member of the group

actually estemmeno is smaller

but intresting

[hollow flower]

I thought 4-5 was pushing it for Dinocephalians so I decided to exclude it

[coarse inlet]

Fair yeah I narrowed it down to three to be realistic but I have like 8 that I’d want in my dream world

[shell sonnet]

Given that Titanophoneus is the base of pretty much all of Anteosaurus' post-cranial reconstructions, I'd say that has to be an alt

[coarse inlet]

Fair

[desert flame]

I think Sumina is perfect for an arboreal vivarium.

[low bridge]

What is brachosaurus there doing?

Tell me

[wild relic]

You mean Eubrachiosaurus

[low bridge]

Yes

Ofc

[wild relic]

It's part of the group

[coarse inlet]

Eu- prefix is always so funny to me

“Nah those other guys were wrong this is the one is the REAL Brachiosaurus”

“Fuck that theropod, this Silesaur is way more hollow in form”

[steep tulip]

Even funnier when you realise its like 3 bones and are all lost

[slim flare]

I mean eu- is used in a variety of ways

[feral cedar]

If there’s a Euoplocephalus is there an oplocephalus

Armored Head

[shell sonnet]

yes, a genera of extant fish

[toxic oriole]

Whats the occasion?

[slim flare]

Tuesday

[tidal flame]

I propose Poebrotherium, Procamelus and Megatylopus

[low bridge]

Aepycamelus, Titanotylopus, Camelops where??????? And Stenomylus

[tidal flame]

Not really a top most wanted list just a few species from tylopoda that are more obscure.

[minor ivy]

Dinosaur

[left spear]

Yeah Dinosaurus would be cool

[tough marsh]

I mean yes depending if it’s valid or not

It’s quite small

[left spear]

I mean its not terrible

its also not a lizard

[modern totem]

Spicomellus would be a good choice for the combat update
-# keep glazing this guy

[coarse inlet]

I mean those spikes were probably not great for combat

they look very breakable

[toxic oriole]

Could just be for display

[short rover]

The animals for U17 are more than likely completely modeled and finalized atp tbh

[obsidian frigate]

Darwinius post EA anyone?

[digital pendant]

Would be epic

[late swallow]

An intriguing possibility indeed

[toxic oriole]

I've seen a video on Spicomellus thanks to 7 Days of Science

[obsidian frigate]

It would be perfect for an arboreal herbivore

[toxic oriole]

They go over the animal and such

[obsidian frigate]

And we know what it looks like

[toxic oriole]

What strikes out is that all their armour and spikes arent used for defense or combat

Rather display or something

[digital pendant]

They are directly connected to the bone so if one of those breaks it will hurt and can potentially injure the animal severely

[late swallow]

Hell, how big was Darwinius again

[obsidian frigate]

Small monkey?

[digital pendant]

Its sure a good deterrent, but does look like it evolved for something else first and foremost

[obsidian frigate]

Juvenile 58cm

Definitely possible for mini exhibits

[late swallow]

Solid pick for arboreal vivaria

[obsidian frigate]

excluding tail is 24cm

[toxic oriole]

Funny how you can ironically compare this with Therizinosaurus and relatives

But unlike Theri, that ones more certain

while im at it, therizinosaurus for pk someday

or any therizinosaur

[obsidian frigate]

they want to post ea

[late swallow]

Could see it, but I'm in Falcarius' camp

[obsidian frigate]

Also, Passenger pidgeon for vivarium in a recently extinct pack?

[toxic oriole]

Yeah that one might be confirme

Not sure

[obsidian frigate]

Its the perfect size for the arboreal ones

[late swallow]

Don't think we have any confirm on species of RE pack

[obsidian frigate]

And it's in La Brea

[coarse inlet]

They finalized Oviraptor's skins like 2 weeks before the latest update lmao

[toxic oriole]

That may be so

[short rover]

I meant moreso their picks and basic models

[obsidian frigate]

To be fair, it was meant to come in U19

[short rover]

Not really detailing or skins

[late swallow]

I think names went live like a week before

[obsidian frigate]

Thats not the most important part tbh

[toxic oriole]

Could go for some more Madagascar representation

[late swallow]

I'm not sure

[toxic oriole]

Like Crocodile itself!

[late swallow]

Brains fogged atm

[toxic oriole]

... I'm not even joking

[obsidian frigate]

Beezelbufo?

[toxic oriole]

Theres this extinct crocodilian thats just named Crocodile

Or at least as translated

[late swallow]

Jeremiah was a bullfrog

[obsidian frigate]

Ok what are we talking about atp?

I'm a tad confused

[toxic oriole]

Oh, I remember now

Its this extinct Madagascar crocodile called Voay

Which translates to Crocodile

Which in turn...

[obsidian frigate]

😐

[toxic oriole]

Is Crocodile.

[obsidian frigate]

Imagine they announce "Voay"

[toxic oriole]

Confusing?

[late swallow]

We're between fronts atm

[toxic oriole]

Yeah I'll say

[obsidian frigate]

Anyways thoughts on Passenger Pigeon?

[toxic oriole]

If only humans STOPPED KILLING THEM

[obsidian frigate]

I know, but what if we brought them back?

[toxic oriole]

Theres talks of stuff like that

[obsidian frigate]

AYY

LES GOO

[hollow furnace]

Quagga + wild horse and moa are confirmed

[obsidian frigate]

I know, I thought le Pigeon would also be good in the pack tho

[toxic oriole]

So thats three confirmed RE species so far (100%)

[hollow furnace]

it would indeed

[toxic oriole]

Yes, if you count the Wild Horse, it still counts as 3

[coarse inlet]

[hollow furnace]

wdym why

[toxic oriole]

Hey, moa still counts as a dinosaur tbf

[coarse inlet]

and quagga is a color morph

[toxic oriole]

... Dude

Its a subspecies of Zebra

One that was driven to extinction quite recently

[hollow furnace]

it's not really

[coarse inlet]

it's not a subspecies

it's literally just a locally common phenotype

[toxic oriole]

The last one died in captivity, yet no one could even tell it was its own thing rather than a Zebra

[hollow furnace]

It is however one of the most famous recently extinct animals regardless

[toxic oriole]

plus it has something to do with Jurassic Park being created or something

at least a resurrection project

[coarse inlet]

IDK I just find it weird that a game called "prehistoric kingdom" would include a species I can see alive by driving 40 minutes

[toxic oriole]

Tbf

Theres the Cave Lion and American Lion

Both animals represent Panthera, a genus of big cat still alive today

[obsidian frigate]

And ursus

[toxic oriole]

And Cave Bear is an Ursus representative, yes

[obsidian frigate]

But I get the point

At least Quagga looks unique

[toxic oriole]

So its not entirely out of place to have Equus representation

[obsidian frigate]

I would LOVE some Aussie megafauna tho

[hollow furnace]

It's also called prehistoric kingdom and yet a recently extinct dlc is historic animals, the whole point is that they are recently extinct animals of which quagga is one of the most famous

[toxic oriole]

And some of those recently extinct species were prehistoric as well

Take for example the Thylacine

[obsidian frigate]

I mean all species are

[cosmic cosmos]

Aus and SA really need some love from the devs

africa as well

[obsidian frigate]

just like in PZ...

[toxic oriole]

Can we not leave out Hawaii?

[coarse inlet]

Hawaii has some recently extinct stuff but that's it

[toxic oriole]

Like the Moho branch, honey-eaters

[cosmic cosmos]

and most of it woud have to be viv

[toxic oriole]

Entirely wiped out

[obsidian frigate]

Imagine Procoptodon tho

The trex kangaroo

[toxic oriole]

I wouldn't mind though

[coarse inlet]

I'd love an Aussie DLC

[toxic oriole]

I honestly want species representation from all around the globe

And I mean EVERYWHERE

[obsidian frigate]

We be getting giant penguins with this one

[coarse inlet]

I'm most interested in taxonomic diversity but a lot of geographical diversity comes with it

[toxic oriole]

While we're at it, why not some Antarctica stuff like Cryolophosaurus and a few others?

[obsidian frigate]

What others

[coarse inlet]

Antarctopelta

[toxic oriole]

Theres a dromaeosaur or something that was found on mainland antarctica

I forgot its name so soon

[coarse inlet]

Imperobator is poorly understood

we dont really know what it is aside from a big paravian

[toxic oriole]

That really shouldnt be a surprise tbf

[obsidian frigate]

On that note they should add the really good "Troodon" specimen

[coarse inlet]

Vegavis would be a great Antarctic vivarium species

[toxic oriole]

Hell, some say that all of the lost fossils are underneath the ice

[obsidian frigate]

Not bad

[cosmic cosmos]

💀

[silver steeple]

Cryo and Antarctopelta are basically the only worthwhile habitat species tbh

[obsidian frigate]

Exactly

[toxic oriole]

How complete is Antarctopelta, if I may ask

[obsidian frigate]

On the topic of ankylosaurs, scolosaurus is underrated

[silver steeple]

I could see Vegavis as a mini ig but its kinda just a duck

[coarse inlet]

I mean it's a cretaceous neornithine, that's pretty cool

[hollow furnace]

ok

~15% complete

[toxic oriole]

As in, its not bad in terms of preservation or something?

[obsidian frigate]

We got skin but thats thats it (scolosaurus)

[coarse inlet]

not amazing but better than most antarctic dinos

the main interesting thing about it is the similarity to Stegouros, so if it's included it'd probably be as a Stegouros alt

[toxic oriole]

I would include Antarctilamna, but that ones an aquatic
So that'll have to be saved for another time

[coarse inlet]

yeah there's good marine stuff for Antarctica

[cosmic cosmos]

I like

what a doofus

[toxic oriole]

One of the oldest elasmobranch fish or something

[coarse inlet]

Aristonectes is found in Antarctica

So is Cynoganthus

[cosmic cosmos]

I hope if aquatics come we get a few fully aquatic DLC, JWE roster was badly lacking

[coarse inlet]

that'd be a good species

[toxic oriole]

Nothosaurus, Shonisaurus, Dunkleosteus, and Archelon

[coarse inlet]

At least one, I agree

[toxic oriole]

And yet some of those werent terrible, emphasis on SOME

The Dunk, the Turtle, and the Wisdom Lizard

I'm neutral on Nothosaurus tbf

... Wait

[coarse inlet]

Shonisaurus would be amazing if it had come out a couple years earlier lol

[toxic oriole]

Am I even thinking of the right pack?

[coarse inlet]

it just so happens that it ended up coming out at the worst possible time

[coarse inlet]

that;s the aquatic DLC

[toxic oriole]

And the Dunk has concept art from the game before it became its recent reconstruction we know today

So hey

Chances are Dunk may finally make it into the roster!

[coarse inlet]

Yeah but Dunk didn't get overhauled into one of the biggest macropredators of all time lol

[toxic oriole]

Megalodon did, but not the Dunk

One got bigger, one got smaller

Yet you know what they say

Theres always a bigger fish

[coarse inlet]

I mean I was talking about Shonisaurus

[toxic oriole]

To emphasize, Dunk has Prehistoric Kingdom concept art, and its quite old

REALLY old for what its worth

Who knows if the artists will stick to the outdated reconstruction or what we have now

[cosmic cosmos]

I wonder if we will get a big and small dunk skin like elasmotherium has for the horn

[hollow furnace]

no

[cosmic cosmos]

or feathered rex for that matter

[coarse inlet]

I mean. PK fully has updated its designs SO MANY TIMES since then

[coarse inlet]

too different rig wise I'd guess

[hollow furnace]

Elasmotherium horns are easy to swap out, long versus shrunkledunkle would require entirely different models

[smoky spear]

i doubt it

most animal models so far only got finished about a few months before release

[quick ore]

literally what is the problem with Quaggas, it isn't like it's the Pyrenean Ibex or something where it would need a totally new model from the ground up it is literally just a horse. Even if we get some other extinct Equus species down the line adding Quaggas as an alt would be the easiest thing so why is it so bad that it gets added?

it's an economical use of the devs' time

[coarse inlet]

It's an ecotype of an extant species

[quick ore]

so what? it's famous and would be easy to make

[late swallow]

It's not as in not a subspecies or not a morph, it's confusing

[coarse inlet]

There's basically no difference genetically or skeletally from other plains zebras

[quick ore]

the only thing leaving it out of the game would do is make people not happy, and putting it into the game would be easy because it already makes sense to put other extinct members of the Equus genus into the game

[late swallow]

Cursory glance showed that mtDNA has continuously restored it as subspecific

[quick ore]

unless they don't put any other extinct modern horse species into the game there's zero reason to not include it

Plus, subjectively speaking, it looks pretty

it isn't like it was a nothing animal that looked like any other zebra you would see

[late swallow]

Only specimen photographed alive, apparently

[toxic oriole]

I'm pretty sure thats the same specimen that was the last one standing or something?
I am not sure

[late swallow]

London Zoo, 1870ish

[quick ore]

My main argument is basically that adding the Quagga isn't a question of "Why?" it's a question of "Why not?"

[late swallow]

I don't have a... horse in this race

https://tenor.com/view/twicedior-stan-twitter-agree-disney-gif-4499344997382853691

I'm just confused as to where it sits

[silver steeple]

Idrc one way or another, its been planned practically all along, and has been clearly and precisely said to be coming so meh

Devs gonna do whatever they want

[median relic]

eh it'll be fun to have what is essentially a modern animal in the game

[plush nacelle]

Quagga will probably be featured faster in PZ2 than in PK

[lean hound]

Absolutely not lol

[short rover]

.

[lean hound]

That completely contradicts "Fully modeled and finalized"

[cosmic cosmos]

I read finalised as the species selection, not rigging, animations etc

[ancient ibex]

Hell, the most famous of the pleistocene megafauna is a goddamn historic animal

[inner wedge]

what chances are there that megaladapis or another giant lemur could be featured in the holcene dlc

[left spear]

Archaeoindris is the only one with a real chance of making It in

Hopefully It does tho it's a peak animal for this game

[plush nacelle]

And why not megaladapis for example?

[left spear]

It's just much more well known an in this type of cases it's more likely the devs go for the better known species.

[plush nacelle]

Its not. For most people big lemur is big lemur

[serene forge]

Not sure if its said they will be added or not, but I would like to see more mammalian carnivores that aren't cats or bears. I assume Daedon may get added at some point but thyelcoleo and Hyenadon would be cool.

[zinc ore]

uintatherium

[plush nacelle]

Thylacoleo would be good

So good

[left spear]

And again, of those 2 lemurs archeo is still better known, and for Big lemur it's also the bigger of the 2.

[serene forge]

Megalania and the other australian megafauna would go well with it

although alot of them would understandably be a challenge to put in the game

[plush nacelle]

Using google trends it is megaladapis and by far

[left spear]

Google trends is a terrible way to determine popularity (when It comes to niche stuff like this)

[plush nacelle]

Then what is. I think you are simply overestimating archaeoindris and underestimating weird fuk megaladapis is

[flint sable]

archaeoindris was gorillalike iirc

whereas megaladapis spend signifigantly more time in the trees

[shell sonnet]

Trends is best at measuring interest, awareness and how well-known something is, which often correlate with popularity.
(In this specific case, it's sticky to measure because Archaeoindris is listed as a topic instead of an animal or primate)

[modern totem]

U16 animals being only concept art (except for compsognathus):

[plush nacelle]

I noticed gorilla lemur is the most popular name associated with it

[shell sonnet]

I don't like to measure trends by leaving words as search terms instead of using topics; it doesn't capture the global level very well because they're far more linguistically restrictive (using an English word isn't much use measuring how something is in Japanese or French), some words might be used for more than one thing (T. Rex is also the name of a band, mammoth covers more than just big elephants), and then there are multiple search terms for the same thing (Tyrannosaurus, T-Rex, and Tyrannosaurus Rex are all used for the same animal but as search terms they only capture those exact spellings). And as stated on trends, topics and search terms are measured differently.

No, it's better to use topics.

[coarse inlet]

at the end of the day the more terrestrial species would be a better fit for the game regardless

since I dont think the devs have any interest in trying to replicate PZ's janky ass climbing system

[desert flame]

We need Paleogene Eocene animals.

[low bridge]

Take Eobasileus, Uintatherium, Embolotherium, Megacerops

Take them

No excuses

[late swallow]

i'd reckon Neogene needs a bit more love

[desert flame]

Personally, I'd also like to see large birds like Gastornis, small mammals like Eohippus, and carnivorous mammals like Hyaenodon.

However, I understand the rumors that semi-aquatic mammals from the Eocene will be added in Update 18.

[zinc ore]

what I would like to see as mammals is prehistoric horses like eohippus

[silver steeple]

*a lot more

That said, I desperately need to see a Pantodont lol

Funny fuckers

[low bridge]

Catch Arsinoitherium,Phiomia, Moeritherium

Catch them

U need to catch them bc there is no better picks than them

Phiomia is likely classic by Ark

[quick ore]

if we were to get another lemur alongside Archaeoindris I think Archaeolemur would be a good choice. It wouldn't be too small and its baboon-like lifestyle would work with the game being better built for terrestrial animals rather than arboreal ones.

[plush nacelle]

Archaeoindris is weird

Since known remains indicate it was still arboreal like other sloth lemurs

So it was more like bornean orangutan, which ocassionaly spends time on ground due to lack of predators

[sick pasture]

[steep tulip]

Idk how well these estimates hold for namadicus ngl

[ancient ibex]

This one is fair

This one, partial femur measured in the 19th century and lost

15 ton elephant is already huge

[steep tulip]

Never realised we had so little of the bigger transouralicum
Not sure how much better 2 vertebrae and wrist bone are lol
But I think we do have better remains of para of larger sizes compared to namadicus?

[coarse inlet]

Well we still have the Paraceratherium bones I think

[steep tulip]

We do yeah

We also have namadicus larger specimen that puts it on par with the biggest para

But it's also a partial femur

Like the lost one

[coarse inlet]

Yeah

interesting

[plush nacelle]

This femur brainwashed people and mammal fans now wont let it go

[ancient ibex]

It is a goddamn knee lost well over a century ago

[silver steeple]

Fun fact

It could actually be way bigger

It was measured before inches had been fully standardized

People scaling the lost material nowadays assume its the modern inch

But if you use british inches at the time (commonly used in India during the time) you get a 30t elephant lmao

[late swallow]

fuckin hell

i don't even want to think about that

[silver steeple]

But as Erior said, the material has been lost for a long time

Not much reason to dwell on it

[late swallow]

that also feels like it would break the laws of physics

[silver steeple]

Eh

Elephants are really good at getting big

Some of the largest P. antiquus specimens hit about 20t

[digital pendant]

Paracera also had sort of a hollow bone situation going on

that allowed it to get big or even bigger

[silver steeple]

Mhm

Paraceratheres were pretty much as close as a mammal can get to a sauropod lol

[sick pasture]

nice

[late swallow]

[steep tulip]

I find fascinating how mammals tend to keep their cervical vertebrae number the same

I believe there's like only 2 living mammals that have a different number of neck vertebrae

But I forgot if it only applies to placentals

[ancient crystal]

And dwarf sicilian elephants

[coarse inlet]

the mammal equivalent of Maarapunisaurus

[late swallow]

the only mammal i'm hardcore gunning for is Juramaia

[shell sonnet]

3

[coarse inlet]

I really want Didelphodon and some Miocene stuff

[late swallow]

but i do think M. columbi, M. exilus, and Platybelodon would make good adds

[steep tulip]

Based

[late swallow]

i know

[steep tulip]

Who is the other one?
I only know about sloths and manatees

[late swallow]

wait

[steep tulip]

I think sloths have 1 more and manatees 1 less

[late swallow]

Three-toed?

[steep tulip]

Yep

[shell sonnet]

Hmmm. This seems to be written in error. I assume you meant to type, "Megatherium". You have ten seconds to correct this.

[late swallow]

or what, you're gonna kill me?

[shell sonnet]

two-toed sloths and manatees have six; three toed have nine

[steep tulip]

Oh wtf

[late swallow]

with this mentioning as many as, i take that to mean the 5 extant species vary

[steep tulip]

Its true damn
Apparently it's variable too for both 2 and 3 toed sloths

[shell sonnet]

No, I'm going to hack your steam account and you won't be able to play Prehistoric Kingdom; or at least make it so your animals never breed

[late swallow]

damn

[shell sonnet]

I'm not rich enough to get away with murder

[late swallow]

Pale-throated (Bradypus tridactylus) has 9

other than that, there's at least no mention on wikipedia, and that's something you'd think they'd mention

[ancient ibex]

TTBT, that one may hold a tiny bit more of ground, but not much

[steep tulip]

Don't search up the specific species
Just search sloths

[ancient ibex]

Bruhathkayosaurus on the other hand... limbs like tree trunks lol

[coarse inlet]

Bruhathkaysaurus seems more credible atp

like at least there's photos

[toxic oriole]

And yet the fossils turned to dust quite literally

Well fossil*

Just one in particular

[coarse inlet]

Yeah so did Maarapunisaurus and all there is of that is a drawing and measurements made by a guy whose primary experience in that field was measuring craniums

[hardy rock]

Will we get any monkeys and or apes?

[hollow furnace]

we don't know, but devs have said apes and monkeys are quite difficult to do

[late swallow]

Facial anims are a nightmare

[neat iris]

I hope we get a few

Mostly gigantopithecus, but I’m not opposed to dinopithecus or darwinius

[bold sinew]

Open question
For the Vivariums, is there any specific species people want to see that could be placed in the amphibious variant specifically? (animals that can be on land and water)

[quick ore]

Lemurs >>>>>>>>>> Monkeys imo

[smoky spear]

difficult to do and can get morally questionable real fast

[quick ore]

Darwinius wasn't a monkey

[neat iris]

What was it?

[quick ore]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwinius

Strepsirrhine primate

[neat iris]

Ah, ok, so not a monkey, but still a primate

[silver steeple]

Couple mammal options would be neat

Didelphodon, Castorocauda, or Indohyus could be cool

Dunno how much time it spent on land but Diplocaulus is a freebie lol

[quick ore]

Vancleavea would be cool

[silver steeple]

That's a good one

[quick ore]

would Koolasuchus be better as an exhibit animal?

[silver steeple]

If they do something for amphibian eggs I think it would probably work there

[quick ore]

placeable nest in water that's a clump of water vegetation

[obsidian frigate]

Koolasuchus would be good as a normal habitat honestly

[obsidian frigate]

Yes keep the Darwinius hype going!

[quick ore]

huh

what are you talking about?

I was just explaining what kind of primate it was

[oak charm]

What about Poposaurus... The Silly.

Like boy, why you so FEET

[late swallow]

he feet too big for he got damn he

[median relic]

tbf I don't think they were actually plantigrade

[coarse inlet]

Yeah more recent recons I've seen have them digitigrade

https://www.instagram.com/p/CG48Esil0Ba/?img_index=3

Instagram

still a great guy, very retro theropod coded

[median relic]

yess

[tidal flame]

Obviously not very well known species but Odocoileus lucasi and or Odocoileus salinae

I just want a deer

Not Irish elk

[silver steeple]

Late but also I wanna see Basilemys for a funny little HC turt

Well "little" lol

[quick ore]

I think in a similar vein Henodus would be pretty cool

[slim flare]

Dakotaraptor

[short rover]

https://tenor.com/view/boring-bored-tired-not-in-the-mood-monkey-gif-16493448

[plush nacelle]

Speaking facts

[shell sonnet]

100 %;

Recently extinct packs could also have the sea mink or the yunnan lake newt as a mini

[left spear]

The Yunnan lake newt is too small for a vivarium

It's like 10cm long and 3cm tall which is way smaller than all other minis

There's really no recently extinct amphibian Big enough for vivs

[late swallow]

There is if we handle the cane toad problem /j

[deep crest]

Don't you think the Cave Lions and American Lions in Prehistoric Kingdom are a bit small, while the Smilodon populator is a bit too big?

[late swallow]

Not really, also that's not something this channel is for

[deep crest]

？

Isn't this the Community Species Suggestions?

[late swallow]

For animals you want to see in the game

Not about animals already ingame

[deep crest]

ok

[short rover]

No

[desert flame]

The Triassic Pseudosuchia were so popular with developers that they were even featured in concept art, so they may be added at some point.
Personally, I'd be happy if Postosuchus was added as well.

[coarse inlet]

When it comes to Triassic pseudosuchians my big 5 wants are
Postosuchus
Desmatosuchus
Sillosuchus
Poposaurus
Lotosaurus

A big quadrupedal “rauisuchian” would also be nice but I’d be more interested in ecological diversity

[late swallow]

Desmato my beloved

[tidal flame]

Aragosaurus

[late swallow]

I'd be down for posto

[coarse inlet]

If there were a phytosaur what would be a good species?

Rutiodon is the most famous but IMO Smilosuchus is cooler

[late swallow]

Smol

[tidal flame]

Smol indeed

[coarse inlet]

This??!

[tidal flame]

Yes

[coarse inlet]

That is large

[tidal flame]

It’s peak like Iberospinus

[coarse inlet]

It’s barely anything

[late swallow]

Not for a sauropod

[late swallow]

Cursorial glance at wikipedia:

Paleorhinus?

[tidal flame]

Europosaurus is tiny, aragosaurus is smallish sauropod

[late swallow]

18m/25t

Yeah I don't see this thing as a shred of possibility

[late swallow]

Sir, this is a Baryonyx

[rapid meteor]

Ah, because the modded playable Popo is finally out for PoT. XD 100% give us the gremlin.

[coarse inlet]

Freshwater wishlist:
Enhydriodon omoensis
Mawsonia gigas
Onchopristis numida
Vancleavea campi
Hibbertopterus scouleri
Jaekelopterus rhenaniae
Pannoniasaurus inexpectatus
Stupendemys geographica
Castoroides ohioensis
Rhizodus hibberti
Leptocleidus capensis/clemai/superstes
Gaiasia jennyi
Koolasuchus cleelandi
Henodus chelyops (Vivarium)
Xenacanthus (Vivarium)
Beelzebufo (Vivarium)
Hyphalosaurus (Vivarium)

[late swallow]

Excellent, a Coelacanthiforme

All cute lil guys
-# psst it's Gaiasia jennyae

[coarse inlet]

I could’ve sworn that’s what I wrote

[late swallow]

Probably autocorrected lol

[oak charm]

Ah true true, but still.

Why he so TAIL

[oak charm]

YEEESSSSSS

Jfd popo my love

[shell sonnet]

No Mastodonosaurus, no Cyclotosaurus, no Siderops, also note that Enhydriodon, Onchopristis, Rhizodus, Mawsonia, Koolasuchus are all fragmentary. Everything else is fine even the overhyped big frog.

[rapid meteor]

I love the weird cat-not-gator.

[tidal flame]

Do I really gotta except my favorite spinosaurid is baryonx?

[shell sonnet]

Yes

[late swallow]

Yes

[tidal flame]

This is a sad day

I'm done mourning now lets talk about yalls most wanted animal

[late swallow]

There's a nigh-zero chance Iberospinus is distinct

[tidal flame]

Nothings impossible just improbable

Now that I'm relooking at Ibero I think its highly improbable

[outer crater]

Consider heterodontosaurus

[coarse inlet]

The peak Spanish dinos are Pelecanimimus and Concavenator

[late swallow]

yes

[tidal flame]

Agreed

[late swallow]

heavy on the latter

[coarse inlet]

Pelecanimimus is underrated as hell

most teeth of any theropod, TWO interesting soft tissue structures, and interesting taxonomic position

look at this fucker

[late swallow]

Sold

[coarse inlet]

the reason other ornithomimosaurs have no teeth is because this one stole them all

[late swallow]

i'm also interested to see Garudimimus

[steep tulip]

Big fan on how they placed the feathers on this conca ngl

[neat iris]

Sarcosuchus?

They were freshwater, right?

[toxic oriole]

yes

[neat iris]

Is it holding its babies in its claws???🥹

[oak charm]

Pelacanimimus and Concavenator,,

[toxic siren]

hmmmm

that might work

how about struthiomimus

or ornithomimius

[toxic oriole]

Some hell creek representation when you mention those two ornithomimosaurs

At least

I think?

Might have to double check

Okay so they apparently co-existed with one another

Yet Struthiomimus was once considered hell creek

Though those two are quite different from one another in a few slight senses

[coarse inlet]

From what I've heard north american ornithomimids are a mess rn

[flint sable]

eh

not terrible from what I understand

not good

but not terrible all things considered

[hollow furnace]

they are but don't let that stop you

[flint sable]

its nothing compared to say, north american troodontids for example

[hollow furnace]

that's more because no one gives enough of a shit about ornithomimids to bring the whole edifice crumbling down

[flint sable]

true

✅

[serene forge]

Paleoloxodon could work if you have namidicus and one of the island ones. Would be a cool comparison.

[oak charm]

I should work on my interaction suggestion... After work.

[dapper sky]

Ambopteryx longibrachium or the return of the Yi qi

[toxic oriole]

Pretty sure Yi Qi is upcoming anyways as a vivarium animal

Update 16 as far as I remember

[wild relic]

Yi qi is already confirmed

[dapper sky]

Ohhhh coooooooooool

[desert flame]

PK's Yi

Yi is comming update 16.

[late swallow]

Hasn't Yi been confirmed since like January

[oak charm]

THE BABYYYY

[wild relic]

I think they're new, that's why they suggested it

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/ladacarpiubellachece-gif-25096196

[desert flame]

I''m looking forward to finding out about the rest of the mini animals.

[wild relic]

Same hopefully we'll see some in this months dev diary

[hollow furnace]

Yes

[zinc ore]

Sarcosuchus

[late swallow]

A man of culture

[oak charm]

Sarco would be so fun I'm ngl

Imagine having a top section of the exhibit to see the Sarco waddle around on land, and a lower section to allow for visitors to get a peep at the Sarco below water while it does the crocodile jazz hands

https://tenor.com/view/crocodile-hug-cute-float-andréa-abraçar-ana-gif-25713958

[tidal flame]

I swear I've seen this excact picture in a book

[ancient ibex]

NGL, Sarchosuchus playing up the fact that it is actually quite distant to crocs has potential

But yeah, cool critter

[feral cedar]

curious as to what this’d look like

[steep tulip]

Tbh they weren't crazy different

Its mainly scutes arrangement

[coarse inlet]

and they couldnt death roll

which implies different ecology

[steep tulip]

I feel like most other differences in their anatomy aren't all that noticeable once you cover them in tissue

In a way kinda like modern birds and toothed birds lol

[toxic oriole]

Extinct Crocodylus members

Nothing more, nothing less

The uhhh, true crocodiles or something

would be ironic to see the true crocodiles encounter the uhhh... crocodylomorphs and those ancient crocodile-like animals

[zinc ore]

yeah man i want this

[chrome wigeon]

And sarco growth would be good

[low bridge]

Give me Anancus

Underrated Elephanto

[desert flame]

My elephant wishlist

Deinotherium
Moeritherium
Arsinoitherium
Platybelodon

I'd like to see some unique-looking elephants added.

[quick ore]

Arsinoitherium wasn't an elephant

it was just an afrothere

that's like calling a hyrax an elephant

[low bridge]

Take mine Elephant list:
Elephant:
Platybelodon
Stegotetrabelodon
Palaeoloxodon
Anancus
Deinotherium
Moeritherium
Phiomia
Elephant like (relative):
Arsinoitherium

[desert flame]

Oh...sorry
Arsinoitherium was a species close to elephants, so it was counted as an elephant, but it was wrong to treat it as an elephant.

[silver steeple]

Well not quite, embrithopoda are closer to elephants than hyraxes

They're equidistant to Sirenians and Proboscideans

All 3 being within Tethytheria

So it's more like calling a manatee an elephant lol

[quick ore]

ok my bad but doing that is just as wrong

like why should we lump Arsinoitherium in with anything elephant related at all it's just silly

[silver steeple]

I didn't say it was right to lump them together to begin with

Arsinoitherium is simply its own thing

[coarse inlet]

honestly it's not that big a deal, and the point was made

[silver steeple]

I think a lot of people get hung up on Nigel referring to it as an elephant relative in Chased By Sea Monsters

[coarse inlet]

it's not an unreasonable way to describe it

[silver steeple]

It's not, but people tend to think that means it's way closer than it actually is

[quick ore]

ye that's the basis of my point really

and again, we don't even need to mention elephants at all to make a case for Arsinoitherium being added

it was an amazing, iconic extinct animal in its own right and would be amazing as representation both for mammals as a whole and for the array of species arose during Africa's time as an isolated continent

[silver steeple]

^

[neat iris]

Mastodon, colombian mammoth, deinotherium, Sicilian dwarf elephant

[buoyant vault]

idk about you guys but i think dire wolves would be cool even if they’re kinda basic

we need more la brea representation

[neat iris]

Yes, we absolutely do

Short faced bear

Colombian mammoth

Bison latifrons

Hell, why not a whole La Brea dlc?

With its own building set and tar fountains

Skeleton displays of the featured species

[steep tulip]

Ascendonanus is the arboreal lizard now that its recovered as a reptile and not as a synapsid

[vivid field]

it might seem crazy what i’m boutta say

[hollow furnace]

If Iguanodon is so good why isn't it called Iguayesdon?

[vivid field]

i’m going to scream

[hollow furnace]

in space, no one can have ice cream

[vivid field]

there’s astronaut ice cream

[coarse inlet]

hmm?

[hardy rock]

I can make do with lemurs

An ancient primate in general would be awesome

[coarse inlet]

moving from #pk-discussion, for flying stuff I could imagine that Pteranodon, an azhdarchid, and maybe 1 more pterosaur would be the basic roster and then maybe 5-6 more as DLC

[shell sonnet]

Pteranodon longiceps/sternbergi
Tropeognathus mesembrinus
Tupandactylus imperator/navigans
Teratornis merriami or Argentavis magnificens
Thalassodromeus sethi
Quetzalcoatlus northropi/lawsoni/Hatzegopteryx thambema
Dsungaripterus weii
Pterodaustro guinazui
Rhamphorhynchus muensteri
Pelagornis sandersi/miocaenus/chilensis/mauretanicus

Mini
Dimorphodon macronyx
Ichthyornis dispar
Kuehneosuchus latissimus
Jeholopterus ninchengensis
Pterorhynchus wellnhoferi or Pterodactylus antiquus

There flying dlc

[coarse inlet]

personally I'd want

• Pteranodon longiceps/sternbergi
• Quetzalcoatlus lawsoni/northropi
• Argentavis
• Pelagornis sandersi
• Rhamphorhynchus
• Thalassodromeus
• Tupandactylus imperator
• Tropeognathus
• Hatzegopteryx

for vivarium stuff I think that's a good list

[coarse inlet]

Hatzeg is too different to be an alt, even as fragmentary as it is

[toxic oriole]

Okay, that one vulture-like la brea bird

[coarse inlet]

yeah, teratornis

though they're now thought to be more predatory even though they're related to vultures

https://markwitton-com.blogspot.com/2019/08/we-need-to-talk-about-teratorns.html)

[toxic oriole]

Let us revisit this "Lost And Found" DLC pack idea, featuring fossils from animals that were destroyed, disappeared, or whatever happened

Essentially Lost Fossils

Tameryraptor being one of those guys

Aegyptosaurus too

[shell sonnet]

Look, Hatzeg and Quetza are filling in the same role as the large Azhdarchid; either you make one an alt of the other or stick with just one

[toxic oriole]

This is essentially the pack candidates, taking out a few animals since the discussion from that day (Irritator)

Only reason a few Pterosaurs are there even if most of their fossils still remain?
I only put Tropeognathus there since the largest and most well known specimen of it was destroyed in the Museum Fire of 2018

or at least thats what some people believe, not sure

I didn't even realise that Stomatosuchus was also destroyed by a bomb, so that crocodylomorph got into the pack

[flint sable]

wher spinosaurus

oh wait nvm its on there

im blind

[toxic oriole]

Looking back, I think that Lost Fossils pack idea could be reworked to not bloat too many animals

[coarse inlet]

damn I didnt realize it was that bad

[toxic oriole]

Some of those animals in the list arent completely destroyed, just some specimens that are either famous or something were gone

[flint sable]

wait a minute, its all South America and Africa

[toxic oriole]

And believe me, Bruhathkayosaurus and Maraapunisaurus would've also fit into the pack since their fossils are quite literally gone too
But of course, not many people are gonna be happy about it

[flint sable]

always has been

[coarse inlet]

WWII and that Brazil museum fire

[flint sable]

also unrelated but Tyrannonasus would be a fire mammal pick

Archirrhinos would also be a great mini pick too

Otopteryx also wouldnt be bad

[coarse inlet]

lol

[steep tulip]

Mostly joking because I brought it up before

And recently got recovered as a reptile rather than a synapsid

Actually pretty amazing fossil

[flint sable]

wait are those colors accurate to life?

because holy crap thats like an amazing fossil

[steep tulip]

Afaik not

[ancient ibex]

Was that a slab/counterslab fossil right?

[steep tulip]

I believe so yeah
There's also others that are kinda the same, but this one specifically is the one that has the best full body print basically

Another one for comparison

I also imagine they could technically find out what color this guy actually was, but idk if anyone already looked into it

[coarse inlet]

well, we cant really know color

just shades of light and dark

Witton has been writing about this but because only melanosomes preserve their color you cant know exact colors

[steep tulip]

I knew there were limitations, but I thought sometimes its actually possible to know the full color of the animal as well
Like borealopelta is assumed to have been reddish/brown

[late swallow]

it is

if physical pigment structures are preserved, we can actually know the true colouration of an extinct animal

[coarse inlet]

we know that it had reddish pigment but non melanin pigment might have made that express differently than expected

[flint sable]

I mean so technically speaking

that doesnt rule out the possibility of like

purple borealopelta or something

[hollow furnace]

yes it does

[coarse inlet]

it's not quite that simple

it's not like mixing paint from what I understand

lemme find what Witton wrote on it

He seems to think Borealopelta's color is more likely to be told by the remains than other scaled animals, and says the armor was likely solely colored by melanin

he doesn't explain why, but I'll take his word for it

it seems to be because horn sheathes tend to be that way

but other scales are impossible to know because they have layers of different pigmentation

yeah

Only Borealopelta, which has chemical signatures of pigmentation in its armour, offers legitimate colour data, because its armour sheaths are comprised of dead, inert tissue that was tinted exclusively by melanosomes .

[steep tulip]

Ah I see

So what about psittacosaurus
Its possible it wasn't actually yellowish and brown

[coarse inlet]

Yeah, he says that basically the light and dark pattern is there but the exact tone is very unsure

Owing to complexities in how scales manufacture colour, it is difficult to deduce exactly what hue this animal was, with options including at least black, grey, brown, reddish, or dark yellow. Further colours are possible if the melanin was accented with additional, unfossilised pigments. Examination of the preserved melanin cells suggests the presence of phaeomelanosomes, indicating that the base colour recipe involved red-brown or yellowish hues, which is why most modern Psittacosaurus artworks use these colours. The body regions without melanin are of unknown tone and patterning, but were probably paler because they lacked melanin pigmentation.

[flint sable]

lowkey crazy that we know more about the coloration of dinosaurs that went extinct 100 million years ago than some recently extinct species that went extinct 300-400 years ago