Community Species Suggestions

[plain knoll]

well carcharodontosauruds are in allosauridae superfamily, so we can count them

[waxen grail]

The first thing I saw when I looked it up after the ai thing was ‘T. rex’s Jurassic cousin’

[plain knoll]

and we have acro and carcharo

[late swallow]

Allisauroidea

[left spear]

Okay yeah Both 2024 and a 2025 studios put It in allosauridae

[late swallow]

-oidea is used for superfamilies

[plain knoll]

i'm oftenly confused when the ea/ae ant the end is used

[late swallow]

-idae is family,
-inae is subfamily

[plain knoll]

thanks

[ancient ibex]

If you want a mini

Allosaurus has 4 species

[late swallow]

Kinda™️

[waxen grail]

Which is why despite having one less genus, Allosauridae still has more species than Albertosaurinae

Though I guess a family having more than a subfamily makes sense

[late swallow]

Depends on how europaeus filters out

[ancient ibex]

Gigantoraptor is a quite tall animal and not small, but its bulk is more in line with stuff like Daspletosaurus or Carnotaurus than Deinocheirus or Tyrannosaurus

[smoky spear]

i mean there have been proposal that the european allosaurus were just fragilis

[ancient ibex]

Never take a look into beetle subgenera lol

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-goomy-flashback-gif-23903908

[desert flame]

Dilong is big.
so it might not be suitable for a mini.

[shell sonnet]

Don't use prehistoric wildlife

note the larger one is speculative

[ancient ibex]

Still, velo sized

Crestless Procerato pretty much

Meanwhile Stokesosaurids

Tyrannosaurs do have plenty of mid-sized theropods to work with without bringing Megaraptorans

[shell sonnet]

Yutyrannus would be a great addition

[slim flare]

Yutyrannus or bust

[slim flare]

Nanotyrannus…

[ancient ibex]

You already have the most reasonable take on it

[slim flare]

I know

Thanks

[ancient ibex]

In-game I meant

You, personally? Nah

[slim flare]

What?

[plain knoll]

just release a juvenile rex, give it another skin than rest of rexes and name it nanotyrannus

[slim flare]

That’s not the same

[plain knoll]

well nano isnt entirelly agreed upon that its separate genus

i'm in those who think its a juvenile rex

[desert flame]

I hope Yutyrannus return.

[slim flare]

Catch those hands

[plain knoll]

did juvenile rex had the same hands?

it can be just ontogeny thing

[slim flare]

No

[short rover]

Tooth count is diff which can’t be an ontogeny thing iirc

[hollow furnace]

It can, but is very unusual

[short rover]

Ah okay

[slim flare]

Nanotyrannus arms are bigger in totality than an adult Tyrannosaurus in many respects

Which PK didn’t do because… well it’s impossible

[plain knoll]

idk, maybe, but rex arms are just small in comparison to its body size

[ancient ibex]

Please have the adult tyrannosaur at the proper scale if you want to do a gotcha

Tyrannosaurus has arms about the size of a human's, so a meter long

[slim flare]

*Tooth count is higher in Nanotyrannus than Tyrannosaurus, which can only happen in ontogeny if the adult has the remnants of alveoli which Tyrannosaurus does not.

[slim flare]

In totality.

Like Nanotyrannus has bones larger than an adult Tyrannosaurus.

[ancient ibex]

Tooth count is variable within populations, and Napoli's "I solved vert paleo" is far from done

Anyway Tyrannosauroids have plenty of diversity to bring to the Dilophosaur-sized theropod bracket

[slim flare]

It wasn’t suppose to be a scale, I was just showing how big the Nanotyrannus hands are compared to Tyrannosaurus unlike PK

[plain knoll]

its still an open debate, so i still dont consider yutyrannus as separate genus

[ancient ibex]

Dude ever heard of allometry?

[slim flare]

But if you want a scale

[ancient ibex]

lol T.imperator

[slim flare]

I know

[hollow furnace]

Actually please read GSP 2025, the debate is settled there are 3 species of Tyrannosaurus 3 species of Nanotyrannus and 2 species of Stygivenator

[slim flare]

What does that have to do with anything?

[ancient ibex]

The fact that you are pulling a gotcha without basis

[shell sonnet]

it's how body parts growth at different rates

[slim flare]

Tbf, he might be vaguely right. I could see there being more than one non-Tyrannosaurus among the smaller species

[plain knoll]

have a link to it?

[shell sonnet]

skip it

[slim flare]

No, I know what it is, what does that have to do with what I said?

[plain knoll]

i wanna say that too

[slim flare]

I said I used that image to show how big Nanotyrannus arms are proportionally from Tyrannosaurus, unlike juvenile Tyrannosaurus in PK

[plain knoll]

not reliable?

[slim flare]

It wasn’t a scientific comparison

[shell sonnet]

GSP isn't

[ancient ibex]

Greg Paul gets high on his own supply pretty much

[slim flare]

And the arms of Nanotyrannus are just incompatible with adult Tyrannosaurus, regardless of proportion to body size.

[ancient ibex]

He did plenty for the craft, standarized an approach to skeletal diagrams, but he has... unconventional takes based on gut feeling presented as factual

[shell sonnet]

the thing on the right can't be the same thing, look at how big the head is proportionally to the limbs and shoulders

[slim flare]

And then thinks there’s a conspiracy against him

[plain knoll]

i think its more plausible that a big dromeosaur like dakotaraptor fills the niche of medium predator, also juvenile rexes can fill that niche too

[slim flare]

How many times do I have to say it’s not about the proportions to the body size?

[slim flare]

We don’t even know Mesozoic ecology, it’s really not a good argument

In either direction

[hollow furnace]

^

[ancient ibex]

We have a craptacular record of adult Tyrannosaurus arms versus skeleton sample tho

[slim flare]

“There must be a medium predator!”
“There cannot be a medium predator!”
Bruh we just don’t know and we’re constantly surprised by new shit.

[ancient ibex]

How can be sure it doesn't fall within the variability, specially knowing that Tyrannosaurid arms weren't likely being pressured to stay within a specific size range

[slim flare]

Idk, there seems to be a clear pattern of the smaller Tyrannosaurs having larger arms than the adults… which shouldn’t be happening

[ancient ibex]

And, honestly, you started out with an unproportioned scale chart to make an impact, so, not a good faith argument

[slim flare]

Holy fuck Erior

Look me in the eyes

[late swallow]

Can't, you're in my phone

[plain knoll]

osteology can change too, also as far as i know, the supposed nanotyrannus specimen is still not fully grown animal...only thing that maybe prove the point of nanotyrannus existing is that big quarry where small tyrannosaurs was fosilised besides one big ceratopsian, i still dont know what researc on that fossil bring us up about the debate

[slim flare]

It wasn’t about science, it was about Nanotyrannus is different than PK juvenile Tyrannosaurus

I said that 3 times now

I have my actual chart of Nanotyrannus arms if I wanted to

[plain knoll]

not saying its a good argument, i'm just guessing, i dont know everything

[slim flare]

Apparently the two we know of were slowing down in growth and near or at skeketal maturity

They are checking the Dueling Dinosaurs, nothing on it yet tho

[ancient ibex]

I grow weary of sensationalism regarding that, specially with bad actors such as Larson involved

Jane's humerus is 10 centimeters shorter than Sue's

[slim flare]

You mean Longrich?

[late swallow]

The Cleveland skull was mistaken to be mature due to the matrix

[plain knoll]

we'll see in few years what it brings us up

[slim flare]

Damn, honestly I thought it was more

[ancient ibex]

Daspletosaurus' humerus is 3 centimeters or so shorter than Sue's fwiw

[slim flare]

Seems about right

Sorry I don’t really know your point here, this all aligns with what I’ve been saying.

[plain knoll]

is jane confirmed to be t.rex though?

[slim flare]

No

[late swallow]

She's undescribed

[ancient ibex]

I don't think so

[slim flare]

Why?

[plain knoll]

so we really dont have any valid t.rex juveniles, and we suppose that nanotyrannus is separate genus...thats why it doesnt make sense to me

[slim flare]

Like again, on this chart the humerus is about 10 cm shorter than Tyrannosaurus

So Jane being like that aligns

[hollow furnace]

We have other undescribed potential tyrannosaurus juveniles that don’t align with proposed Nanotyrannus

[slim flare]

Actually we do have Tyrannosaurus juveniles

[toxic oriole]

Now why are some of those specimens undescribed anyways?

[hollow furnace]

We also have juvenile Tarbosaurus that don’t align with Nanotyrannus, as a close relative

[toxic siren]

Mosasaurus and other marine repitles

[plain knoll]

if we compare real rex juvenile with nanoturannus, then this debate will be settled, nanotyrannus is walid, untill then its just supposed species which easily can fall as nomen dubium

[ancient ibex]

Everything I've seen points otherwise ngl

[hollow furnace]

Because many are privately owned, and description takes time and effort, and there are a lot fewer palaeontologists then there are things to do in palaeontology

[slim flare]

I mean tooth count alone

[ancient ibex]

And we have Larson trying to sell fossils

[toxic oriole]

I don't see the point why people want to privately own fossil specimens anyways

Like, whats the point?

[slim flare]

Ego or something

[ancient ibex]

Ungabunga I have a rex in my room

Then cue pyrite poisoning from doing so with Morrison stuff

[plain knoll]

just showing off being rich

[slim flare]

At least we got tge Dueling Dinosaurs

[toxic oriole]

its always the rich people who do shit like that

[ancient ibex]

Gotta enrich our food

[slim flare]

It’s going to change a lot regardless of the Nanotyrannus aspect

[left spear]

What happened to the pristine stego

Sold right

[slim flare]

Jodi the Tyrannosaur I think os also in private hands?

[toxic oriole]

Could always make short descriptions of fossil specimens, then have someone else expand upon it
called being lazy...

[slim flare]

Despite being a glowing example of a Nanotyrannus-morph

[plain knoll]

also there is alot other problems within resarch, like inpropper handling of fossils, or simply overly destroying stone around fossil that can provide data about skin impression or integument...i once read that was the case with carnotaurus discovery too

[toxic oriole]

Like the whole Irritator thing and as of recently, Shri rapax's missing skull

[slim flare]

Tbf they didn’t know

[plain knoll]

yeah...

it was 80's when stuff like that oftenly gets overlooked

[late swallow]

Don't forget about the whole disaster that was Sue's preparation

[ancient ibex]

At the end of the day it boils down to this, and properly described stuff, and good understanding of individual variability

[oak charm]

Sea blimp when

[ancient ibex]

Likely a macropredator tho

Ichthyosaurs deserve love

JWE2 did them quite dirty ngl

[short rover]

Shoni in jwe2 is awesome

And the only other one in the game is ichthy which was mid but

Overall they were treated better than most clades

[tidal flame]

Enigmacursor, I have the highest doubts it makes it in the game but would be cool

[ancient ibex]

Still, the lack of diversity within the aviary and lagoon rosters was a shame

[vernal ocean]

I think it'd be cool if they added Deinonychus and Tenontosaurus to add more to the cloverly formation

Sauropelta too

[slim flare]

Yes

[oak charm]

BLUE MERIDIAN
GIVE US AZDARCHIDS/LARGE RAPTORS
AND MY LIFE
IS YOURS!

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-ares-destroy-my-enemies-and-my-life-is-yours-gif-7965707800203237625

[left spear]

Utah is confirmed

[oak charm]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-mark-gif-6105373

Any azdarchids tho?

[late swallow]

Maybe someday

[oak charm]

I hope

Pterosaurs are peak

[quick tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/dimetrodon-gif-23397201

Also, Wymanu. Or other prehistoric mega penguins.

[slim flare]

Bathornis would be cool

Obviously I also champion cf. Psilopterus but Bathornis is also cool

[tidal flame]

https://tenor.com/view/longisquama-triassic-my-beloved-longisquama-my-beloved-gif-22453347

[quick tartan]

did you hear about the latest fossil news about these guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twWZyz5oJmI

[tidal flame]

There are some goofy species in drepanosauromorpha especially my boy Hypuronector

[quick ore]

did u draw this?

[oak charm]

Thalassodromeus PuhLEEZ

Btw art by ZaelisB

I think having a person sized Pterosaur would be pretty cool

And I could imagine some interactions with the Thalas tugging at the shirt of a keeper to get their attention for one reason or another, or them getting snappy with the guests if they get too close (hopefully something that doesn't happen.)

[slim flare]

Nope

[buoyant vault]

YES

[faint snow]

Dodo bird and Riojasaurus

[toxic oriole]

Lucky for you theres a Recently Extinct DLC confirmed

Best part is that it'll be the FIRST DLC they make after the game fully releases

It includes animals that have gone extinct in recent times, and the Dodo is definitely coming alongside that one, plus a few other ones

[quick ore]

Riojasaurus for RE DLC 🙏

[feral cedar]

what

[toxic oriole]

A sauropodomorph from South America

Only riojasauridae of that place

In other words, somewhat like Plateosaurus and relatives

[quick ore]

I was joking because of what she said above

[neat iris]

Before and after

[median relic]

wait what's special about futalog

[tidal flame]

Seeing a distinct lack of the new species from the site in Morocco

[quick ore]

Dinofelis and Dinopithecus are wasted slots
Arsinoitherium and Dinocrocuta would be better

[flint sable]

dinopithicus? I agree
Dinofelis? eh not really

[quick ore]

also I feel like Simbakubwa is good and all but personally I would put Megistotherium instead

[flint sable]

Dinopithicus is essentially a slighty larger baboon, Dinofelis is at least somewhat interesting

you can also make that argument for Panthera and Ursus, but at least they are culturally relevant or at least moresoe than Dinopithicus, in addition to having actual good remains

[quick ore]

Dinopithecus is literally carried by the exact paleoart used in that image it isnt that interesting all things considered

[flint sable]

I mean its more interesting than a 20% larger but otherwise essentially modern baboon

[quick ore]

if the game is going to get any additional machairdont it should be Homotherium

[flint sable]

If we had to get another cat I would personally prefer either Miracionyx or Homotherium, but Dinofelis isnt a bad pick

it also has the bonus of having lived for a long time on multiple continents, but Homotherium also has that bonus

[quick ore]

thats what I am talking about what

did u think i said Dinofelis

[flint sable]

oh mb lmao

other than Dinopithicus thats a pretty solid list, though

[quick ore]

Dinopithecus

not Dinopithicus

I don't think -pithecus is ever spelled with an I instead of an E

[neat iris]

Funny you should mention that

[flint sable]

ok thats a pretty goaded list ngl

except theres a decent chance we are getting deinosuchus and pachy in EA, especially pachy, but still a great list

[feral cedar]

Albertosaurus > Nanuqsaurus, otherwise it’s great

[quick ore]

did u make this in PS or is there a site where people make these?

[neat iris]

I made it in Canva

[quick ore]

also doing a NA dlc without any cenozoic mammals from before the Pleistocene is tragic

like replace Torosaurus or Struthiomimus with any number of cenozoic NA species and this is golden

there's just so many options

[toxic oriole]

Could always take out Pachycephalosaurus and Deinosuchus and replace em with two select NA Cenozoic species in the event those two do show up in Early Access

... Say

I think having it be half mesozoic and half cenozoic would work

One half is Mesozoic NA
The other half is Cenozoic NA

Or any other

I mean theres 10 slots in that poster

So if theres 15, then you can get an even amount with Paleozoic, Mesozoic, and Cenozoic!

[quick ore]

10 dlc slots is already wishful thinking

I think 15 is crazy

[neat iris]

Well I’m pretty sure the concept art for the recently extinct dlc had ten or so animals

[hollow furnace]

that is pretty much irrelevant to current plans, including in terms of size

[neat iris]

What are the current plans for dlc size?

[hollow furnace]

we don't know

[smoky spear]

technically there isnt even a guarantee we will ever get dlcs lol

since that is tied to how well the game does financially at launch

[hollow furnace]

Just that the old kickstarter DLC is not relevant — they could end up being the same size, but there's nothing actually suggesting that right now

[smoky spear]

if it flops they will drop further development

[quick ore]

considering that Planet Zoo's dlc's ranged from 4-7 exhibit species I feel like the lower range of that is more likely, especially given this game has less resources to work with

4-6 feels like a safe bet

[plush nacelle]

Lets not forget devs are planning to include some animals for free so even less animals in DLC per cycle

4 exhibit + 1 or 2 terrariums is what I am seeing

[tidal estuary]

Where is Moshops and Anteosaurus?

[low bridge]

What about lesser giant hyena like Pachycrocuta

[timber saddle]

i need abelisaurid if you want start with carno

[lean hound]

Carno is confirmed

[shell sonnet]

Extra wide hips; I'm assuming the scales are accurate. (though I've read that Dreadnoughtus might be wider). Still, Futalognkosaurus is pretty complete for a large titanosaur.

[smoky spear]

most later titanosaurs are wide

saltasaurus for example

[ancient ibex]

That's basically how lognkosaurs go ttbt

[shell sonnet]

I mean Argentinosaurus already fills up this slot well enough, so I'm not in a rush for it. I wouldn't mind it as an alt.

[shell sonnet]

The reality is that unless you're Dimetrodon or Dunkleosteus, no one cares about Paleozoics

[ancient ibex]

Untrue

[tidal estuary]

cant care if they dont know

[shell sonnet]

fine, Lystorsaurus and "Gorgonopsid" also count

[ancient ibex]

If that was for JWE that'd be true

But giant arthropods, diplocaulus and even edaphosaurs are familiar to prehistoric wildlufe fans

[shell sonnet]

And none of those things have the name recognition of either Dimetrodon or Dunkleosteus

[tidal flame]

Edaphosaurus mentioned is peak

[shell sonnet]

Yeah Edaphosaurus would be a great addition, the only trouble with Edaphosaurus is trying to narrow down which species to include there's quite a few (I lean towards cruciger/pogonias/boanerges/novomexicanus )

[ancient ibex]

Those don't have name recognition out of the specific niche of people who pay attention

Dimetrodon has general recognition but gets mixed with Spinosaurus

[shell sonnet]

More like Spino got confused with Dimetrodon until JP3 got released

[steep tulip]

I would probably go with the red beds species

At at least

[timber saddle]

yes but i want now or abelisaur

[lean hound]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-patience-sw3-gif-21070142

[timber saddle]

yes need a small sauropod like amargasaur or shunosaur

[left spear]

Amarga is coming just by the fact it's amarga

Unless the Game flops hard it's inevitable

[shell sonnet]

That would include cruciger/pogonias/boanerges but not colohistion (which is found West Virginia) nor novomexicanus (New Mexico). Having said that, novomexicanus is found with O. mirus (which is the type species) and colohistion is the oldest, I believe, making it possibly from the Carboniferous. That doesn't actually make it any easier to narrow down beyond the fact that at least one from the Red Bones should make it given the amount of other "must haves" from that strata.

[steep tulip]

Didn't realise there were that many ngl

Ig the ones that look the most distinct between eachother

[shell sonnet]

I really want Amarga to come, it's in my top five non-avivian dinos alongside Shuno and Salta, but I confess, it would feel weird if it got in before Dippy

[silver steeple]

For edaph I could see them just do the largest sp with no alts

[silver steeple]

Is pogonias the holotype?

[shell sonnet]

Yeah

[silver steeple]

Then my bet is that one at least

Do we have any animals in the game that don't have the type species representated? I think Micro might be but idk any others

[shell quest]

any form the Pseudosuchia clade, just give uss land corc

[plucky mantle]

Microraptor and then obviously Panthera and Ursus

[silver steeple]

Oh right duh

Idk if I'd even count extant genera tho lol

[left spear]

For panthera its leo right

Oh huh it's actually pardus

[shell sonnet]

It's complicated by the fact that cruciger was the first named, but identified as a species of Dimetrodon, pogonias was the first to get Edphaosaurus as a name, but that was just a skull, and the first one of that species with a sail found was given it's own genera as Naosaurus by Cope

[silver steeple]

I believe pogonias is also the most widely known

As I'm fairly certain that's the one that shows up in WWM

[desert flame]

Edaphosaurus is necessary for PK. It's a shame that it's such a famous Permian animal similar to Dimetrodon that it doesn't appear in many games.

[shell sonnet]

It's not; for whatever reason they set that episode in Germany, and the only one found there is 'credneri.' But credneri was named before Edaphosaurus and Naosaurus were synonymouized and that find it fragmentary so its status as a species of Edaphosaurus is questionable. That would actually make the species of Dimetrodon, teutonis, but that one is tiny. It's a mess of an episode, from what I can gather.

[silver steeple]

Even if it doesn't work location wise, it's what the episode's edaph is based on

Not saying you're wrong but when do they say it's set in Germany btw?

It's been a long time since I watched WWM lol

[shell sonnet]

https://youtu.be/3U8I6wIX2bQ?t=801

[silver steeple]

Huh interesting

Do the different individual edaphs have different sail shapes?

Seems like some are tall and others swept back

Very interesting

Anyway

[plucky mantle]

The Early Permian episode of WWM is by far the worst one lmao I have no idea what they were thinking with it

[silver steeple]

I still think pogonias would make the most sense for the game, as it's the type species

[plucky mantle]

Permian was genuinely cold with winters but Tambach specifically would have been like. Nearly on the equator

[silver steeple]

Which is included with few exception

[plucky mantle]

I'm of the opinion E. pogonias is the best one because what other terrestrial herbivore from the red beds would you include

your options are like, Diadectes which no one has ever heard of, or Edaphosaurus

[shell sonnet]

All three of these species are from the Red Beds

[plucky mantle]

Cotylorhynchus is great but (And Casea by extension) but their semiaquatic nature means you'd have no terrestrial herbivores from that environment if you didn't include Edapho

[silver steeple]

Looks like pogonias is the largest of the red bed species as well

[shell sonnet]

Cotylorhynchus hancoki is also from the red beds

[silver steeple]

Also ftr, Paraceratherium is in a similar boat

[inner wedge]

talk for yourself dude

if we werent promised any paleozoics i wouldn't even care about this game

[desert flame]

I'm happy that Devonian creatures like Tiktaalik are coming in Update 16.

[ancient ibex]

Will keep stanning this list hehe

[shell sonnet]

I don't think I've ever suggested I don't want Paleozoics in the game

[neat iris]

Dimetro might be coming, but I agree

Edapho and some kind of gorgonopsid are must-haves too

[sharp dock]

aquatic cotylo

[left spear]

I mean cotylo should be a semiaquatic

[left spear]

Awful lack of whooly giraffe

But out of these giraffo is actually a great choice for a siva alt

[flint sable]

id rather get Giraffa spelaea or Giraffa atrox

but Giraffokeryx isnt bad

[low bridge]

Devs must focus on mammals not only from Pleistocene

[slim flare]

Wrong

They must

[inner wedge]

they musth

[slim flare]

Once that’s done, then they can do the rest but no one will care

[low bridge]

Nooo Bramatherium must be Sivatherium Alt tbh

[median relic]

aquatic I know but if/when we do get aquatics I really really want temnodontosaurus

it's just so cool to me man

[sand quail]

https://tenor.com/view/every-single-one-of-them-steve-kornacki-msnbc-all-of-them-everyone-gif-19744458

[neat iris]

Sivatherium? Discokeryx?

[oak charm]

Probably not going to happen (imagine it leaping out of the aquarium at Mach 7 just to run a fade with some poor dude)

But, Xiphactinus,,,

[neat iris]

Hoping so badly for marine animals

[toxic oriole]

Then you know what must be done.

FINANCIAL SUPPORT.

[neat iris]

Way ahead of you

I’m already supporting the game on Patreon

[golden canopy]

They'll probably get most of there money after launch, most likely after the Jwe3 hype dies down, hope it goes to console they get more support that way

[shell sonnet]

That's almost certainly not going to happen; this is a small team we're talking about here

[late swallow]

holy shit this chat went a while without a message

[golden canopy]

You never know games get ported all the time plus when they get more money from launch they'll be able to expand the game more

[shell sonnet]

There's big difference between expanding the game with new content and exporting into different architecture. The devs have said that the chances of the game coming to console is basically nil, so it doesn't matter anyway.

Again, this is a small team where only some of the staff actually works full-time on the game.

[late swallow]

iirc its like 15~ people total, 7 or so full-timers

[inner wedge]

do you guys think if it goes well the team could expand?

cause it's already crazy that a game of such a scale is being made by so few people

[left spear]

Mau said that if the Game did very well he would try to hire some more people

[inner wedge]

imma be honest i won't count on it

[left spear]

I think after EA 1 or 2 other people may be added to the team

But yeah no big expansion

Even then 1-2 full times added to the team would be huge

[inner wedge]

yeah

count also that new hires are a liability too

not just financially

it's a stroke of luck that so far the team seems stable compared to what happened in the previous decade with JG

[safe kestrel]

looking at their patreon and the number of people that brought the game

no

maybe intern

[desert flame]

If a 4x4 vivarium is implemented, I hope it will include small aquatic creatures.

[feral cedar]

light mode user spotted

[modern totem]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-light-mode-gif-19503048

[desert flame]

I changed dark mode lol.

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, the 4x4 box is good for Cambrian stuff

16 square meters is quite respectable

Apartment bedroom size

[desert flame]

yes
Anomalocaris is probably just the right size.

[toxic oriole]

That'd definitely be the first step for aquatic animals

[fresh ember]

And that raised my hopes for Longisquama.

[glass snow]

that is a oversized anomalo btw I think

it was smaller

but not too small for a cambrian animal like it is a big cambrian animal

[ancient ibex]

Anomalocaris was lobster-sized in a world of shrimps

People kinda underestimate how big 16 cubic meters are

[silver steeple]

Does the aza or some similar organization have a regulation on tank sizes for lobsters or lobster like animals

That would probably be the best comparison here

[glass snow]

My single anomalo in the 16 cubic meter tank

[slim flare]

Anomalocaris doesn’t sit at the bottom of a tank doing nothing though

It’s free-swimming

[ancient ibex]

Still, a 4x4 tank is quite large

[slim flare]

Yes

Should be no issue

[ancient ibex]

This is an aquarium tank about 4 meters wide, but not as tall or long

[silver steeple]

Yes but I'm not sure if any fish would be a good reference either

[slim flare]

Unique lineage be unique

[silver steeple]

Yeah

[glass snow]

Fish aren’t the best reference yeah

anomalo is unique

like I don’t think swimming crabs are even remotely compareable either

[ancient ibex]

Eh, flatfish and rays

[slim flare]

4x4 m is enough, enough said

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, once again, it IS quite big

[smoky spear]

Seems decent enough for small aquatic animals

Maybe we can even sneak in those tiny ichthyosaurs and mosasaurs

[inner wedge]

nah they'd still require bigger swimming space

[slim flare]

Is Psittacosaurus helping?

[ancient ibex]

Wanted to do a mockup with it inside but apparently it was off navmesh, but yeah, helping the best he can

[slim flare]

Is that the chalk-mark outline of a dead Microraptor?

[ancient ibex]

Archaeopteryx

Compy may be on the loose

[slim flare]

Tomato, potato

[hollow flower]

Now weve got a proper definition of what should be terrarium (or now vivariums I suppose), it should make it easier defining what should go where

[coarse inlet]

Has anyone suggested Vancleavea yet

[slim flare]

What was the proper definition?

[slim flare]

Chinle?

[silver steeple]

What they said in the devlog was basically anything too small, or anything with locomotive issues

[slim flare]

Didn’t we know that?

[silver steeple]

Yes

[glass snow]

I like the stupidly big one vs the real size.

[silver steeple]

This is the first time they've put it in a Devlog I believe

[glass snow]

at least I think there is no alligator sized Vancleavea

[silver steeple]

It can also be inferred that stuff with breeding issues would also be minis tho

[slim flare]

I hope that means Mononykus is full exhibit…

[coarse inlet]

yeah

[silver steeple]

Hence Tiktaalik

[coarse inlet]

there is

[silver steeple]

^

[coarse inlet]

the small one is the holotype

[glass snow]

oh the big Vancleavea is based on fragmentary bones

[coarse inlet]

yeah

[glass snow]

which show they could have gotten bigger

Yeah that makes sense kind of like sillosuchus

[coarse inlet]

I'm honestly a lil sus about Sillosuchus

something feels wrong there

[glass snow]

Where the holotype is small

yeah its kind of weird and suspect

[ancient ibex]

It feels off if you don't interiorize that eggs have an upper size limit

[coarse inlet]

well yeah but all shuvosaurs we have except this one bone are in the same size range

[ancient ibex]

Preservation bias is a thing

[coarse inlet]

yeah

but extraordinary claims and extraordinary evidence and all that

[ancient ibex]

Shuvosaurs being able to get that big but most individuals not reaching that size is frankly very reasonable

[glass snow]

I mean it seems to be common enough in archosaurs

[coarse inlet]

i'm not saying it's not the case

I'm saying that I am cautious and would not be surprised if that bone gets reassigned

I HOPE it's really Sillosuchus

[ancient ibex]

That's not cautious tho

[coarse inlet]

???

what???

that's what the word means???

[ancient ibex]

It is, but that's not the cautious approach

Those remains used to be assigned to Saurosuchus

[coarse inlet]

yes that's kinda part of my caution

[ancient ibex]

Further examination showed they were literally Sillosuchus but big

[coarse inlet]

From what I've seen the attribution was more tentative than that

[mint gust]

longhorn bison

trust

[lean hound]

From La Brea?

[slim flare]

I mean they’re from all over North America really, but also there

[low bridge]

And Ancient Bison

[slim flare]

Bro

Why he

[outer moth]

I was pinged?

[low bridge]

Are u kidding me?

This is not how Deinotherium looks like

[bold sinew]

I'd like to suggest Iguanadon

I think its a pretty cool animal and id like to see it in PK one day

That is all

[modern totem]

https://tenor.com/view/yessir-4t-4tomistalt-4tomist-4tmeme-gif-14459048726828889418

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/elephant-2003-elephant-movie-alex-frost-columbine-elephant-gif-9337744167051067377

[toxic oriole]

Alright, heres the BEST suggestion yet!

Cave Dweller

[hollow flower]

Or like Jaekelopterus

[rapid meteor]

I need.....gorgonspids. Please.

[steep carbon]

Wait.. would Eohippus be a mini exhibit animal?

[neat iris]

I hope not

It’s a horse

[toxic oriole]

... There are small horses anyways

No I aint talking young

Rather horses that are smaller than usual

I think some of those Dwarf Horses?

[plush nacelle]

Yes it would

[neat iris]

I know they’re small, but the idea of an equine in a vivarium is weird to me

[plush nacelle]

Think about it as any small ungulate like duiker or mouse deer

[neat iris]

Even then, I think it should be a regular exhibit animal, not in a vivarium

Something about it makes me unable to see it as a vivarium animal

[plush nacelle]

Seems like for you any terrestrial vivarium is going to be like this

If eohippus is weird

[neat iris]

Not really, though I’ll admit compy being a vivarium animal is a little strange to me too

[hollow furnace]

Tbf mammals can probably be “smaller” full exhibits than dinosaurs because they don’t have the same long tails which inflate the length and have bigger babies

[slim flare]

To learn more about this phenomenon, Google “dinosaur inflation”

[hollow furnace]

Did you know they actually made several scientific rules about how that works? To learn more, google ‘dinosaur inflation rule 34’

[lean hound]

I don’t like how that actually exists

[silver steeple]

Lmfao

[silver steeple]

Wouldn't it kinda be the opposite tho

Mammals would have to be "larger" due to not having large tails

[slim flare]

?

Dinosaurs are longer, they require larger exhibits

Mammals are more compact

[toxic oriole]

coughcough... WHALES...

[hollow flower]

Well a whale lives in the sea

Youve got plenty of space in there

[toxic oriole]

Best thing I can REVERSE suggest?

DON'T ADD ANY PREHISTORIC ORCA

If a modern orca can be quite unpleasant when they are captive, who's to say the old ones wouldnt have had the same thought?

[left spear]

Via that logic don't add Livy either

[silver steeple]

Or megalodon

[left spear]

Except Humans which would admitedly be weird this is a game

It's 1s and 0s

Who cares tbh

[toxic oriole]

Eh, reverse suggestions would be a fun gimmick

[silver steeple]

^

[toxic oriole]

Suggesting to NOT add something

[silver steeple]

Sounds like pedantry for the sake of pedantry

[steep tulip]

Yeah like

[toxic oriole]

Don't even know what that means

[steep tulip]

If we being fr

[left spear]

Don't add Rhyniognatha ig? Not much you can ask to not add

[steep tulip]

None of the pelagic species added to the game would work if kept in captivity irl

[slim flare]

No fun allowed

[steep tulip]

But they are extinct

[silver steeple]

Idk about none, but definitely most

[steep tulip]

So who cares

[plush nacelle]

Agree. Where is my australopithecus

[left spear]

Behind the counter

They are our sl- interns

[quick ore]

we have no way of knowing which extinct species would do horribly in captivity or not and going from a conservative approach you would remove like, a majority of the dinosaur roster

so why follow that at all?

[steep tulip]

We keep them behind bars and throw rock at them

Like the good old times

[bold sinew]

Don't add Stegosaurus
Itd be funny

[left spear]

I mean idk why, i doubt most would do bad, they would just need extensive logistics

[plush nacelle]

Browsers generally do worse

[quick ore]

I feel like the largest sauropods would not fare well, they are basically land whales

not in intelligence but in lifestyle

[left spear]

I mean yeah in a classic zoo maybe not, but on a more open Cabarzeno style park i think It could worl

[toxic oriole]

Honestly the only way I think it'd be good to have the big aquatics that require ALOT of space and such would be a coastal map (Yes one exists) but the ocean leads out all the way to the map boundaries

A big map, small amount of land even if its just 1 quarter

The rest of it just being water, DEEP water

Then again...

Thats not gonna happen in a LONG time

[left spear]

That would require the devs to figure out how to mix true water and background water which is apparently very hard

Also idk how you would make a zoo on that map

[toxic oriole]

You could always make an aquarium instead

[ancient ibex]

We have elephants which are about as hard to properly keep in captivity as orcas, and we have sauropods

[toxic oriole]

Then again terrain tools can always help you get more land, right?

[ancient ibex]

Fucking blackfish and free Willy sensationalism

[left spear]

Also Orcas probably don't do that bad in captivity if you know, actually care for them

I doubt a blue box is a very enriching envioroment

[steep tulip]

I mean true, but neither is a bigger blue box

[left spear]

Well yes i mean to give them a Big sealed part of actual costline

[slim flare]

Yet they’re ok in the world’s biggest blue box… curious

[steep tulip]

I think orcas require so much space that it would be kinda pointless to keep restricted in a specific area since you probably not gonna see them anyway

Might as well make boat tours to go see them where they live

[left spear]

So like GWSs

[toxic oriole]

When it comes to Cretoxyrhina, in the event it were put into the game, it'd sorta be like the Great White Shark

[plush nacelle]

Imagine PK guests not being able to see all that marine megafauna, because big exhibits lul

[left spear]

For the medium sized filler shark yes either Creto or Hybo

[left spear]

I mean depends, idk why but i have a feeling mosasaurids wouldn't need that much space

Specially things like globidens

[toxic oriole]

on the species, yeah it'd depend

[left spear]

Or things like Phosphoro could defenetly be housed on a large tank

[steep tulip]

Maybe that's why they are trying to venture onto land and steal marine vessels

[ancient ibex]

Training is enrichment but then people without any notions of ethology or mammal handling will complain about animal abuse

Fucking tired of the Helen Lovejoy approach of people having strong opinions about shit they don't know anything about

[left spear]

Fair

I still think their tanks could use a lot of work tho

[silver steeple]

Also the problem with cetacean tank enrichment is that the tend to just destroy stuff

[left spear]

Give them pebbles on the bottom of the tank for running and all that kind of stuff

[toxic oriole]

Could also give em crabs or something

... Wait that gave me an idea

CRABS

[silver steeple]

They've tried stuff like that and they just tear it up

[toxic oriole]

Theres a few popular prehistoric crustaceans out there, yes?

[steep tulip]

Kinda

[silver steeple]

Or worse, injure themselves or others

[toxic oriole]

So how much do they really need to have em NOT be unhappy?

[left spear]

I mean we as a society have endured our protegees destroying their toys for millenia

[silver steeple]

It's one thing when a dog or kid tears up their toy

[left spear]

Although i Guess they usually aren't 4 tons

[silver steeple]

It's another thing when they're multiple tons

[steep tulip]

Dollocaris is interesting

[left spear]

Eyecrab

[steep tulip]

There are others relatives with even more fucked up proportions

[ancient ibex]

That's larval looking ngl

[toxic oriole]

That doesnt even LOOK like a crustacean

Hell

It ISNT one

[left spear]

It very much is

[ancient ibex]

Just like insects

Despite the denial of taxonomy by arthropod workers, as a rule uninterested by evolution bwahaha

Anyway this is a larval lobster, and quite advanced

If you go with a nauplius larva of anything, well, things get weird

[left spear]

Okay but if dollo was indeed a larvae them wtf would It grow into

Fucking segmented crawbster or something

[steep tulip]

I mean these were quite big

Crustacean larvae are very small

30 cm apparently

[coarse inlet]

A "weirdo dinosaur" DLC could be fun.

• Elaphrosaurus/Limusaurus
• Spicomellus
• Chilesaurus
• Amargasaurus
• Udanoceratops
• Ceratosaurus (it's more famous but VERY weird)

[ancient ibex]

Less of it being a larva, more of it retaining larval characters into adulthood

Triops retain the single nauplius eye into adulthood for example; hence the name

[coarse inlet]

another weird dinosaur(?) that'd be a great animal for the game is Silesaurus

it's pretty big too

[modern totem]

where is brachytrachelopan

[silver steeple]

Certainly in a size category that the game desperately needs

[coarse inlet]

was debating that instead of Amargasaurus

[lean spindle]

spicomellus afer

[hollow furnace]

Old

[lean spindle]

i just found that mb

[lean spindle]

the new iteration interesting as well

[modern totem]

I remember when Spicomellus was just a normal dino

[steep carbon]

To be honest its more normal now,

Before it was this weird basal thing, now its more Ankylosaur like

[chilly zenith]

hopefully i will not need to return here again
but please i am begging for silesaurus

devs, consider adding silesaurus and my soul will be yours

[zinc ore]

well then what does he look like?

if that's it I'm going to put another image of the deino

the deinotherium (again)

[solar quartz]

How awesome is this guy?

[midnight dagger]

Fasolasuchus and Lisowicia could be good! The Triassic needs some serious fluffing up compared to the Cretaceous.

[shell sonnet]

Think we could do better than Fasolasuchus

[midnight dagger]

I mean... Argentinosaurus ain't much better xD

[shell sonnet]

Once again, Argentinosaurus (and Caracahdontosaurus) has name recognition that most prehistoric animals can only dream of.

That gives them an edge in animal selection (and audience demand)

[outer moth]

Idk, Giga has a lot more name rec than Carcha

[midnight dagger]

Well... if not Fasolasuchus, which Triassic animals would you like to see?

[shell sonnet]

Yes, but Carcha still has a lot. Also the Spino connection. (I personally would have gone for Giga)

[outer moth]

Fasola is cool tho
It’s the biggest known terrestrial Triassic predator

[shell sonnet]

Ornithosuchus woodwardi
Ischigualastia jenseni or Kannemeyeria simocephalus or Placerias hesternus
Cynognathus crateronotus
Desmatosuchus spurensis
Lotosaurus adentus
Shringasaurus indicus
Postosuchus kirkpatricki

And of course, Herrerasaurus ischigualastensis

Eoraptor is also a good choice

[outer moth]

And ofcs the Triassic has a ton of tiny weirdos for vivariums

[midnight dagger]

Oh absolutely. I'm not a huge fan of Vivariums. More into having "actual" animals rather then animations on loop, but that's just me lol. That's why I'm aiming for the larger Triassic animals, so I have something that can actually wander around and do stuff~

[midnight dagger]

Not a terrible list. I'd prefer Fasolasuchus over nearly any of those, but Postosuchus and Herrerasaurus are just too good to ignore.

[plush nacelle]

Triassic is best for vivariums imo

Plenty good stuff in there

[shell sonnet]

Fasolasuchus isn't going to be that different from Postosuchus (size aside), whilst lacking the latter's name power, completeness and location advantage. I don't know my Loricata well enough to know if the former can be made an alt.

[midnight dagger]

Fasolasuchus is bigger and has a different method of locomotion. Its effectively the size of an Allosaurus.

How about Poposaurus Gracilis, if we're looking to dip deeper into the strange?

[clever orbit]

Just a thought if they do make the Recently Extinct DLC, I'm guessing there wouldn't be alternate skins for animals such as Thylacines and Great Auks as we already know exactly what they look like

[shell sonnet]

No, they'd still get alt skins

[midnight dagger]

[clever orbit]

Would be cool, but struggling to imagine at Great Auk being anything other than

[midnight dagger]

Yeah.. feels gross that we'd intentionally make alt skins for something that we already know EXACTLY how it looked.

[plush nacelle]

Thylacine is probably going to be simply different stripe patterns based on known individuals. So either more sparse or thick and such

[clever orbit]

Maybe you could justify the Thylacine as the Tasmanian population vs a speculative mainland coat but that's about it

[clever orbit]

But that'll be similar to what we have inside a single skin type

But yeah the Great auk, Thylacine, Dodo, Quagga are very well known in terms of their life appearance and alt skins would just feel odd. Gets a bit more murky when you get to aurochs and moa as those are largely written/ oral accounts (and in the moa's case mummified remains) but still we have a very good understanding of their appearance.

[plush nacelle]

I mean woolly rhino is 3 different shades of brown

Nothing wrong with 3 thylacine skins being similar, but one more orange with thicker stripes or something

Dodo is also very easy to make skins: accurate, classic and golden dodo for ZT2 reference

[clever orbit]

Very true! Good points!

[outer moth]

Ppl often forget that Thylacine has alt potential

Like it has alt species n genera that wouldn’t cost too much to make

[lean hound]

No clue how much material it has but Postosuchus would be cool

[midnight dagger]

We've got about 70% of its skeleton, so.. not bad, actually. It is quite different to how it was depicted in Walking with Dinosaurs though.

[shell sonnet]

Postosuchus is fine in terms of completeness. It, Placerias and Desmatosuchus would add a lot to Chinle.

[steep tulip]

Too different

Posto is also bipedal

[midnight dagger]

I'm not even going for specific formations or countries, though I wouldn't complain about getting some more non-American animals. I just want more Triassic stuff, regardless of geological origin. Right now, we've only got two genus's from the Triassic.

[steep tulip]

Better comparison would probably be saurosuchus/prestosuchus but fasolasuchus relationships aren't well defined

[shell sonnet]

Then we've got Saurosuchus instead (Herreasaurus/Eoraptor neighbor)

[steep tulip]

Sauro is cool I agree

[midnight dagger]

Aye, it is cool. I can't help but feel like Pineapple has something against Fasolasuchus, but I wouldn't be upset if I got Saurosuchus instead. I have... little to no interest in Eoraptor, but all of these other large/medium animals sound good to me ^^

[shell sonnet]

If we knew more about it, Teratosaurus would work as potential Postosuchus alt. Neighbor to Plateosaurus.

[plush nacelle]

People also forget we know many more individuals than this one from iconic video. Thylacine pelt diversity is really interesting subject, which could inspire devs

For instance thylacine fur during winter was thicker and brownish

[shell sonnet]

I've got nothing against Fasolasuchus beyond the fact it's a somewhat fragmentary creature. I tend to prefer animals though that come from rich formations and Fasolasuchus doesn't really compare to either Postosuchus or Saurosuchus in that regard. Like Fasolasuchus most notable neighbor might be Riojasaurus, which is a nice animal but also not on the level of Plateosaurus or Massospondylus for sauropodomorphs in terms of need.

[ancient ibex]

Saurosuchus on the other hand

[outer moth]

I mean animals currently have color variation

[clever orbit]

Thinking about what you said, would be cool to get the Tasmanian variant, a redder Pleistocene outback variant and a grey Blue Mountains variant

[plush nacelle]

Well, maybe not exactly these colors, but something in line + different stripe patterns

[midnight dagger]

That's fair. A surprising amount of animals are quite fragmentary, but you do still got a point. Tbh.. I've just got a big wanting for Triassic and Jurassic to be properly "filled out", since.. well.. the vast majority of animals in the game are from the Cretaceous, especially from America. I figure that it'd be more interesting if we filled out a bunch of that "empty space" with animals that the player might not be familiar with, getting them to learn more about creatures while playing the game. The Triassic is honestly.. tragic at the moment, with only Plateosaurus and Coelophysis currently in game. The Jurassic is better, with Dilo, Torvo, Scelidosaurus and several species of sauropod, but its still noticeably lacking variety compared to the Cretaceous. Allo and Stego will fix that later though. So for now... the Triassic is the period I want to focus on "fixing" the most by filling it out more ^^

[shell sonnet]

We simply have more findings from the K period because it's more recent, that's all there is to it. So naturally there would be more animals from the Cretaceous in the game than the other two Mesozoic ones (especially when one remembers this is still a very dino heavy game and there's barely any of those in the Triassic). I'm all for more non-dinos, but I am at heart a dino fan (and to be fair, dino wiki is quite a few steps ahead of the other prehistoric ones that don't deal with hominids).

[midnight dagger]

The Triassic was actually incredibly diverse, and we actually do know quite a bit about it. And... we've got more pleistocene animals then Triassic ones. So I feel that calling PK a "Dinosaur game" isn't really an excuse to skip over the Triassic.

[smoky spear]

we need less pleistocene mammals and more triassic weirdo

agree

[shell sonnet]

Correction, we need less pleistocene animals that aren't "living animal but bigger", Megatherium has more right to be in this game than any non-dinosaurian reptile.

[midnight dagger]

I am inclined to agree with that. We need less "modern animal" and more "hey, look at this unique and bizarre creature that no longer exists, isn't it awesome?"

Honestly, that's one of the reasons why I'm pushing super hard for Triassic stuff. If I were to make a park, I'd have it all in chronological order. I know everyone wants to see T-Rex and Velociraptor and Triceratops etc.. but... well.. everyone already knows them. They're awesome, but you're not really learning anything by immediatly jumping to something you already know. It'd be so much cooler getting too see all of these other ones that are less widely known, but no less spectacular in their own right ^^

If I need something from the Pleistocene, I'd like to see Platybelodon or Daeodon.

[shell sonnet]

Neither of those animals are from the Pleistocene

They're from the Miocene

[midnight dagger]

Okay, in that case, I've got no interest in anything post Miocene 😅

[shell sonnet]

Megatherium is post miocene, Glyptdon and Doedicurus are Pleistocene, a number of terror birds are Pleistocene, Diprotodon is as well; plenty of good ones

[midnight dagger]

I have officially been out-nerded.

[lean hound]

the word you're probably looking for is just cenozoic

[midnight dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dropped-this-king-you-dropped-this-queen-you-dropped-this-you-dropped-this-king-meme-you-dropped-this-meme-gif-25206668

[midnight dagger]

Honestly... yeah. Cenozoic gives the same impression as "Mezozoic" and that's just... it don't quite feel right lol. The Cenozoic has existed for less time then any of the Mezozoic periods, but its already broken up into multiple periods.

[plush nacelle]

3 (?) Terror birds from pleistocene and neither is happening 🗿

[lean hound]

what

[midnight dagger]

Huh..?

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, the temporal divisions in recent geo time are just pretty much whack

Holocene is literally an event, 10K years, Pleistocene is 2.5 million years, and Pliocene is 2.8 million years

Contrast with the Miocene lasting for 18 million years

Seriously, we are still in the Pleistocene from any proper standpoint, and splitting it from the Pliocene is also questionable; the entire "quaternary" deal as-is doesn't quite work, as the modern biota is due to the end-miocene shifts

[midnight dagger]

facts

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, Oligocene is 10 million years, Eocene is 23 million years, and Paleocene another 10 million years

[digital pendant]

You are comparing the mesozoic eras to the cenozoic epochs which is where the confusion time wise stems from

Equivalent of lets say, the Jurassic period for the Cenozoic would be the Neogene Period which contains the miocene and the pliocene

[ancient ibex]

The Cretaceous by itself is also longer lasting than the entire Cenozoic

The Cenozoic has also quite a bit of an anthropocentric bias on its tail end, with the Quaternary being defined by the presence of Homo. And it used to be the single period division within the cenozoic, as the paleogene and neogene used to be treated as a single Terciary period

AND those denominations come after the old nomenclature of deeming the Paleozoic the "Primary" era and the Mesozoic the "Secondary" era

Same self-importance as the lolworthy attempt to label the industrial era of history the "anthropocene" period

[midnight dagger]

Ahhhhh, that makes sense. Still.. the cenozoic has got a LOT of epochs!

[ancient ibex]

It has 6 epochs; the cretaceous has 12 epochs by itself

[left spear]

I find It funny how the younger the period is the more it's lenght seems greater, 60 million years on the devonian are percived as nothing

[silver steeple]

Tbf, if the devonian record was as detailed as the cenozoic it probably would be split up more

The further back you go the "murkier" it gets

You get less and less fine detail

[ancient ibex]

Again, hefty dosage of anthropocentrism; Pliocene and Pleistocene are for all intents and purposes "early" and "late" of a single faunal radiation, and it doesn't really have any hard split with the Miocene to warrant a separate geological period

[digital pendant]

Lots of changes on those epochs. Plus we understand them much better because they are recent

[ancient ibex]

And, again, the Cretaceous is 20% longer than the Cenozoic, yet has twice as many epochs

Still, as time passes it becomes more likely for fossils to be geologically destroyed anyway

[left spear]

I mean for now, we don't know and doubt we Will known how long the Cenozoic truly lasts

[ancient ibex]

The Paleozoic is also the older half of the phanerozoic

[ancient ibex]

We make up the criteria after all

The big "rock falls everybody dies" sudden change of the K-Pg is the exception not the norm

[shell sonnet]

Even amongst extinction events, K-PG is remarkably short

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, everything else takes a while

Not sure about the J-K one tho, there is work being done I believe, and a local NA extinction may have been quick

[night tide]

Okay let's throw my 2 cents in from previous days.
The past few days I brainstormed suggestions of species to add to the Huincul formation, since it is a very diverse formation full of opportunities which is currently only represented by Argentinosaurus, probably the most famous animal from the formation. Though some likely have been mentioned previously, I still wanna include all the potential additions:

• Astigmasaura: the first Rebbachisaurid in the game, would provide a unique Sauropod considering the horizontal nature of its neck.
• Limaysaurus: probably more well-known, would also offer a Rebbachisaurid option for the game.
• Chucarosaurus: another titanosaur to go with Argentinosaurus, only the 2nd titanosaur in the game, considering the other sauropods aren't titanosaurs. Considering these were THE biggest animals on the planet, having just one is unfortunate.
• Mapusaurus/Taurovenator: yes, we have 2 megacarchs already in Acrocanthosaurus and Carcharodontosaurus, however, considering most megacarchs found in the world thus far are South American, it seems criminal not to have at least one of them here. Mapusaurus is theorised to have been highly social for a carch, which could be interesting to play around with once social group hierarchies are worked out. Taurovenator on the other hand is probably the most distinct of the 3 carch options from the formation, sporting an enlarged foot claw and a more rugose postorbital, giving it a horn-like structure on its head.
• Ilokelesia: a basal abelisaur, first abelisaur in the game, it'd be a nice contrast to the much later Carnotaurus that will most likely appear in the game.
  Those are some ideas for fleshing out the Huincul formation, and thus South America in general.

If more formations could be added, like the Candeleros formation, you could add significantly more rebbachisaurs, Giga or Andesaurus, which again is a titanosaur addition

[tough marsh]

Lovely list

[shell sonnet]

Nigersaurus would be the best choice for a Rebbachisaurid whereas the other two, are fragmentary animals.
Mapu is fine as an alt of Giga, but if you want another Carchardontosaur from Huincul, Meraxes would be the better choice.
Large titanosaurs are better represented by things likes of Patagotitan (neighbor to Tyrannotitan) or Futalognkosaurus (neighbor to Megaraptor) or Dreadnoughtus (the most complete) or hell even Alamosaurus (neighbor to Quezta) and arguably, titanosaurs would be better represented by something smaller like Saltasaurus.
As for abelisaurs, Skorpiovenator is right there in Huincul and closely related to the more fragmentary Ilokelesia.

[shell sonnet]

Still could use a few more, I'd like Erythrosuchus and Proterosuchus fergusi to come as well, the latter would be a nice alt with Archosaurus rossicus

[night tide]

Nigersaurus would be the best option for a Rebbachisaur, however the goal of my message was to specifically focus on animals found in the Huincul formation. Seeing as North America has Hell Creek and the Morrison, Europe has Tokod and Asia has both Nemegt and Djadochta for multi-species formations (hell even Africa has Kem Kem with 2 species), I won't see why Huincul could be that multi-species formation on the continent (with animals like Patagotitan, Dreadnoughtus, Irritator or Carnotaurus then being found in other formations around the continent, mostly Argentina).
I was split between Skorpiovenator and Ilokelesia, if either one made it in it would be nice.
As for Meraxes rather than either Mapu or Taurovenator, it could also work, though I feel the other 2, in behaviour or appearance, could be more distinct imo (though Meraxes would also work)

[crimson oracle]

speaking of aquarium exhibits, EDIACARAN BIOTA. i beg you devs

[silver steeple]

Tbh I think Lujan is a way better candidate for a "megaformation" in South America over somewhere like Huincul

You've got S. populator already

[desert flame]

Vivariums may be used in aquariums in the future.

[shell sonnet]

I think the better large formation for South America isn't mesozoic, but instead the Lujanian. You've got giant ground sloths like Megatherium, Glossotherium, Scelidotherium with its anteater shaped head, the large armadillos like Glyptodon and Doedicurus, terror birds,Macrauchenia, amongst others

[silver steeple]

Potentially Megatherium, Doedicurus, Macrauchenia, Toxodon, Aenocyon, and many more

Pineapple and I on the same wavelength lol

[night tide]

Expanding Lujan would also work, would also flesh the region out

And the game could use more mammals

[silver steeple]

The game does desperately need both South American animals and mammals lol

Unfortunately those would all be pleistocene

[night tide]

Either formation getting expanded would be a boost, seeing as there is a lot of interesting animals to choose from

[silver steeple]

Which is not ideal

But such is life

[desert flame]

We need famous South American mammals. And if we had some terrifying birds, the PK's Cenozoic would be even more diverse.

[night tide]

Its always something

[silver steeple]

Indeed

I'd argue for something like La Venta

But that's not nearly as well known

And less mammal dominant

[night tide]

Any additions to the region would be amazing (I'd still want one of the carchs in there + a giant sloth)

[desert flame]

Megatherium and Elemotherium

[silver steeple]

You mean Eremotherium?

[desert flame]

yes

[night tide]

Terror birds would be a fantastic add too
There is also always Barinasuchus

[crimson oracle]

my wishlist would be
namacalathus
dickinsonia
charnia
spriggina
otavia
any trilobozoan
cloudina
aspidella

[desert flame]

There are rumors that the terrifying bird, Kelenken, will be coming in Update 19, so I hope that's true.

[silver steeple]

Why are you calling it that

[desert flame]

Also Barinasuchus is good.

[silver steeple]

The "Terror" in Terror Bird is a proper noun in that case, not an adjective

[desert flame]

Oh
Ｉ was wrong.

[left spear]

Not at all, Miocene SA is even more stacked

[silver steeple]

Not what I was saying

I was referring to Lujan fauna

[left spear]

ª

mb

[silver steeple]

All good

I can see how that was confusing without the context of the prior messages

[plush nacelle]

Shame kelenken formation is lowkey whatever

Dont see anything outside astrapotherium making in

[shell sonnet]

The more I think about it, Ischigualasto Formation is probably the second best SA location for a large formation: Herrea, Eoraptor, Saurosuchus, Ischigualastia would be great.

[outer crater]

Great Auk might have to only get 1 skin

[hollow flower]

For certain

[shell sonnet]

Shame Venaticosuchus is a mess, it'd be a decent alt for Ornithosuchus

[silver steeple]

Yeah that could be a good one

Looks like Eo is just big enough to be a full habitat animal

[slim flare]

Postosuchus isn’t from Chinle

[shell sonnet]

Yes it is

[silver steeple]

The Dockum Group is practically the same thing tbh

[slim flare]

It’s from Cooper Canyon Formation

[outer crater]

Isn’t it from every continent?

nvm I thought you said Chile

[slim flare]

Nope, but I agree with Boi

[plush nacelle]

1 skin because it is going to be vivarium critter

[slim flare]

But if we’re going to exclude Baryonyx from Wesssex, let’s at least be consistent

[coarse inlet]

It used to be referred to Postosuchus but those remains seem to be a different animal

[slim flare]

Basically waste basket assignment

[ancient ibex]

cf. Is not wastebasket tho

[coarse inlet]

Yeah but the description of Vivaron pointed out that Postosuchus has been something of a wastebasket

Which plesiosaurs would be good to have? My wishlist would be:

• Plesiosaurus
• Styxosaurus
• Liopleurodon
• Pliosaurus or Sachicasaurus
• Rhomaleosaurus
• Dolichorhynchops
• Aristonectes

[shell sonnet]

Honestly, Pleiso and Krono are fine for the initial aquatic set (which should be as diverse as possible)

Having said that Styxo over Elasmo is a no, no

[steep tulip]

Tbh
They can be alts of eachother

[coarse inlet]

Styxosaurus has a skull

[shell sonnet]

So does Elasmo

[steep tulip]

Very closely related and most of elasmo recons use styxo to fill in the gaps

[coarse inlet]

Most of what people picture as Elasmosaurus is based on Styxosaurus

[neat iris]

Liopleurodon absolutely!

Any other type of plesiosaur is fine with me

[steep tulip]

Can't find a good skeletal showing all known elasmo material

[coarse inlet]

I agree (though I'd pick a different pliosaur)

[neat iris]

Kronosaurus would be cool

[steep tulip]

Buts it has no skull and almost no flippers I think

[neat iris]

We need Liopleurodon to give our guests directions to Candy Mountain

[coarse inlet]

I'm partial to the more robust body of Sachicasaurus or Monquirasaurus, or the giant flippers of Pliosaurus

[neat iris]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-unicorn-leopluridon-gif-15399954

[steep tulip]

No wait
We actually do have the tip of the snout

Which is something lol

[coarse inlet]

my point is that Styxosaurus is better known and looks cool

[shell sonnet]

Styxosaurus is not better known than Elasmo,

Holy Cow

[coarse inlet]

in terms of its head

honestly just in general

like we have this plus

[neat iris]

Any prehistoric sharks the game could use besides Megalodon?

[coarse inlet]

Scapanorhynchus would be cool

Aquilolamna would be a really good one actually

[steep tulip]

Hybodus (classic)

[shell sonnet]

Problem with Aquilolamna is we don't have its teeth

It's a cool animal otherwise

[coarse inlet]

opposite of most sharks lol

[hollow flower]

Not sure if its a true shark but Saivodus

[shell sonnet]

It's not

[hollow flower]

Damn

[left spear]

Also not a true shark but obviously helicoprion

Also some if the other Otto species

[neat iris]

Oh yeah, forgot about heli

[steep tulip]

If we go by cartilagineous fish as a whole there's a lot, especially in the paleozoic

[vernal maple]

Which may or many not actually be an issue

It MIGHT have been a filter feeder

[silver steeple]

This is like saying that we should have giraffatian over brachio ngl

[left spear]

The paleozoic is just stacked when It comes to fish

Hell we could easily have like 4 placoderms

5 including minis

[coarse inlet]

I mean that was in fact my take when the roster was being revealed

[lean hound]

The paleozoic is just stacked

[neat iris]

Dunkleosteus, Xiphactinus and Leedsichthys plz devs

[coarse inlet]

I want some freshwater stuff

like Rhizodus

or Vancleavea

[silver steeple]

I mean that's fine, but its clear now with both Brachi and Ovi that they're gonna go with the more well known name

[vernal maple]

Hyneria

I'm BEGGING

[coarse inlet]

yeah, I just don't agree w the decision

[silver steeple]

And the actual animal, not an approximation via relatives

[coarse inlet]

uh huh

[steep tulip]

I don't think it's a bad decision to go with more popular species

They are popular for a reason

[neat iris]

Also, not a fish, but archelon

[shell sonnet]

It depends; Troodon would be a bad choice

[steep tulip]

Tho I do very much wish to get giraffatitan

[coarse inlet]

yeah because people mistook them for the other species

[steep tulip]

Kinda

[coarse inlet]

depends on how that gets resolved wrt the Stenonychosaurus material

[silver steeple]

That's not what I'm getting at and you know it

[coarse inlet]

because that animal should be in the game

[shell sonnet]

Brachi from Tendagaru was always a different species from the Morisson one; the change was just getting a new genera

[left spear]

You could also yknow, just make styxo the Elasmo alt as it's obvious if you ask me

[coarse inlet]

I don't actually, sorry for misunderstanding

[coarse inlet]

that's fair

[silver steeple]

My point was that most depictions of Brachi and Ovi are based on Giraffa and Citpati respectively, where as PK is taking the real name and real material into account for the game's animals

[coarse inlet]

I am honestly surprised at how many popular species AREN'T in the game as alts rn. Citipati, Giraffatitan, Megalosaurus, and Giganotosaurus particularly

[left spear]

Huh i was looking at placoderms for a wishlist and just realized all vertebrates are placoderms, weird.

[coarse inlet]

yeah and the Argentinosaurus is based on Alamosaurus and such isnt it?

[shell sonnet]

Megalosaurus isn't popular, just important

[coarse inlet]

it's both

[silver steeple]

Not in the same way at all

[safe kestrel]

probably not important but i missed that color tone

i wish there will be an option for color grading

[silver steeple]

Argentino is based on numerous other titanosaurs because that's how it has to be reconstructed

[safe kestrel]

nono not the dinosaur

the game color tone

it used to be like that

now its more colorful

[silver steeple]

Brachi and Giraffa were considered each other's closest relatives for decades and our brachi skeletons were not in the best condition for a long time

[vernal maple]

Ideally I'd like Megalo and Hylaeo both to be added so we've got all three of the first described dinosaurs eventually

[shell sonnet]

Except Hylaeo isn't the third

[silver steeple]

So people tended to just use Giraffa when making reconstructions for Brachi

[left spear]

Isn't the only thing from alamo in argentino the back thingies

[silver steeple]

That's not the same thing as using a composite of multiple animals to create an image of one

[shell sonnet]

Streptospondylus is the third

[vernal maple]

No?

[hollow furnace]

those are not specific to Alamo, its based on multiple different titanosaurs

[silver steeple]

The osteoderms are informed from multiple titanosaurs

Including Alamo

[hollow furnace]

the specific hip pattern is also basically made up despite being such a common paleomeme

[coarse inlet]

no? The three used in the definition are Iguanodon, Megalosaurus, and Hylaeosaurus. Anything else was not included until later

honestly I'd pay for a DLC that's just 8 alt species or so. Like:

• Citipati
• Megalosaurus
• Giraffatitan
• Giganotosaurus
• Centrosaurus
• Sinomegoceros
• Struthiomimus
• Tarchia

[shell sonnet]

The word used was first three described, not the three used to define dinosauria. Streptospondylus was described in 1832, a year before Hyaleo

[coarse inlet]

Yeah but it wasnt identified as a dinosaur

[hollow furnace]

Streptospondylus was named in 1832, it was described in 1808

[steep tulip]

Talking about brachiosaurus
How does it have so much assigned material if there's like almost no overlap

[hollow furnace]

vibes

[flint sable]

the modern definition is the last common ancestor of Triceratops and Modern Birds and all of its descendants btw

of Dinosauria

[coarse inlet]

it's brachiosaurid in the morrison

[flint sable]

it means the exact same thing though as the first definition

[coarse inlet]

so people just kinda throw up their hadns and say "probably"

[coarse inlet]

Diplodocus is sometimes included

[shell sonnet]

probably because brancai was used to fill in and connect them

[inner wedge]

i think these clone species will just be regular animals instead of retoractive alts

[slim flare]

Why Struthio?

[inner wedge]

they could be good free update material tho

[shell sonnet]

why not; it's a good ornithomimid; the other two we have are abnormal size wise

[slim flare]

Abnormal?

Because Ornithomimus is smaller?

[shell sonnet]

They're large for the group

[coarse inlet]

Dinosaur Park needs some smaller guys

[slim flare]

I’d prefer like Corythosaurus or Torosaurus tbh

[silver steeple]

Tbh my issue is that Struthio could easily be its own animal instead

[coarse inlet]

oh?

[silver steeple]

No need to make it an alt

[slim flare]

Why

[silver steeple]

Same with Tarchia tbh

[coarse inlet]

proportions are pretty similar to Galli

[slim flare]

I’d definitely prefer Ornithomimus over Struthiomimus

[silver steeple]

Similar proportions doesn't mean something has to be an alt

[steep tulip]

Unironically

[coarse inlet]

No but it allows them to add more things that are very similar in that way

[steep tulip]

Archaeornithomimus could be a cool animal if done right lol

[vernal maple]

I'd take Pelicanimimus

[coarse inlet]

Only if we got some other Iren Dabasu stuff to cohabitate

[coarse inlet]

Pelicanimimus would be awesome

such an underrated guy

[coarse inlet]

I find it hard to imagine Tarchia getting in any other way tbh

[steep tulip]

Giganto only other one worth considering lol

[coarse inlet]

Erlikosaurus is cool

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-strange-doctor-strange-you-lack-imagination-benedict-cumberbatch-gif-16618180

[coarse inlet]

wait never mind

that's not from Iren Dabasu I thought it was

[shell sonnet]

Neimongosaurus, Bactrosaurus

[slim flare]

Giganto only other one worth considering lol

[silver steeple]

People do be pining for Giganto tho

[coarse inlet]

oh yeah Bactrosaurus is real good

[slim flare]

Giganto is great

[inner wedge]

this game should have archeoraptor

[steep tulip]

Bactro is interesting
Neimongo idk

[coarse inlet]

I want like 8 more ornithopods lol

[steep tulip]

I mean its cool, but I prefer to get other theris

[shell sonnet]

It's one of the more complete ones alongside Nothronychus

[slim flare]

Who?

[coarse inlet]

• Bactrosaurus
• Lurdusaurus
• Kritosaurus
• Camptosaurus
• Tenontosaurus
• Olorotitan
• Saurolophus
• Zalmoxes

[slim flare]

Tenontosaurus is like the big one for me

[coarse inlet]

Brachylophosaurus would be good too

[shell sonnet]

Maia isn't on the list

[silver steeple]

Tenonto and Campto are goated picks ngl

[shell sonnet]

And neither is Hypsi

[coarse inlet]

look I had to cut myself off before I listed every saurolophine

[steep tulip]

Oh it really is
I wouldn't complain then
Apparently its closer to theri than nothro is

[slim flare]

Lurdusaurus…

[coarse inlet]

oh shit that's an ornithopod I keep thinking its more basal

[coarse inlet]

the hands are so weird tho

[vernal maple]

Campto is way up on my list, alongside Ornitholestes, just to have some more Morrison rep that isn't a sauropod

[slim flare]

Is it that distinct from Iguanodon?

[coarse inlet]

yes

[steep tulip]

Morrison def could use some smaller guys

[coarse inlet]

100%

[slim flare]

*medium

[coarse inlet]

it feels very weird to me having the size gap between C. grandis and Dryosaurus with nothing in between

[silver steeple]

Well Stego will help with that

[coarse inlet]

yeah

but I do want Camptosaurus as well

[silver steeple]

But then you got a gap between stego and dryo lol

[late swallow]

Giga is free DLC sales

[coarse inlet]

(also at least one coelurosaur)

[vernal maple]

I'd also take Gargoyleosaurus or Mymoorapelta

[silver steeple]

Basically the same gap between a white tail and an elephant lmao

[late swallow]

smaller is a comparative

[smoky spear]

patagotitan

[silver steeple]

So campto is good for that spot

[coarse inlet]

If we had to get one Morrison Coelurosaur which would be best?

[shell sonnet]

Orintholestes

really the only one for that spot

[coarse inlet]

Coelurus and Tanycolagreus are also pretty good though

[steep tulip]

Hesperornithoides for minis

[vernal maple]

Could also do Stokesosaurus for both coelurosaur and tyrannosauroid rep

[slim flare]

Ornitholestes and if we get a second spot Ornitholestes again

[coarse inlet]

I cannot find any good material on it tbh

[coarse inlet]

true

[slim flare]

Its a hip unless Tany is a synonym

Then its complete

[shell sonnet]

There's more to Stokesaurus than the holotype

[slim flare]

Sorry, a second hip 🙄

[steep tulip]

Most of stokesaurus is based off juratyrant

Same formation as dacentrurus too

[slim flare]

Behold, Stokesosaurus

[coarse inlet]

I've heard of there being more but havent been able to find anything on it

so I'm taking it with a grain of salt

[slim flare]

Tany use to be in Stoke

And they might be synonyms

[coarse inlet]

ah

that might be it

[slim flare]

Damn Tany holotype doesn’t include a hip so they can’t be compared at all

[coarse inlet]

oof

[shell sonnet]

That just means they washed out to sea

It's a marine fossil bed

[left spear]

I was bored so fishwishlist!

Fish whishlist (sharks and friends not included)

Exhibits:

Dunkleosteus terelli

Bothriolepis rex

Titanichthys agassizi + t. clarkii

Leedsichthys problematicus

Xiphactinus audax

Hyneria lindae + Eusthenopteron foordi

Megapiranha paranensis

Rhizodus hibberti

Mawsonia gigas + Axelrodichthys araripensis

Lepidotes gigas

Psephurus gladius (RE?)

Sinosturio dabryanus (RE?)

Minis:

Gemuendina stuertzi

Dicksonosteus arcticus

Coccosteus cuspidatus

Yanliaomyzon occisor

Urolophus javanicus (RE?)

Sacabambaspis janvieri

Caruso brachysomus

Haikouichthys ercaicunensis

Aspidorhynchus acutirostris

Gebrayelichthys vexillarius