Community Species Suggestions

[toxic oriole]

Ah, right

That'd be for the Recently Extinct Species DLC

[steep tulip]

As I said no dolphin do well in captivity, for a game like this doesn't really matter what you pick they all extinct

[toxic oriole]

Or at least a part of it that comes after aquatics are implemented alongside aerials

[oak charm]

Thylacine my love...

Oh how I wish to pet you

[steep tulip]

As a general rule large pelagic animal do poorly in captivity

[toxic oriole]

Its gonna be the first DLC ever made for the game after Post EA or something, at least thats what the plan is

[oak charm]

https://tenor.com/view/mosasaurus-mosa-prehistoric-planet-prehistoric-planet-gif-25446039

What about smaller relatives of said pelagic animals,,

[steep tulip]

Depends how small

[oak charm]

That gif was supposed to be of Globidens but I couldn't find one; so have mosasaur battle

[steep tulip]

Leatherback turtles aren't that big and also do poorly

Well they still half a ton

[toxic oriole]

Archelon would do worse, I'd assume?

[steep tulip]

But volume wise they don't occupy that much space

[plush nacelle]

River dolphins. People just figured out how to keep them to late

[toxic oriole]

I mean, the Leatherback Sea Turtle is the closest living relative of Archelon anyways

[steep tulip]

Forgot about those lol, tho they aren't pelagic

[oak charm]

I'm still mad about the Yangtze River Dolphin

[neat iris]

True, but it’s a prehistoric animal zoo sim game that desperately needs marine animals, and if the JWE games can have them, then so can PK.

[steep tulip]

I imagine manatees are also easier to keep for that reason

[oak charm]

Such a gorgeous animal lost to time because people couldn't not throw their garbage into a river

[steep tulip]

Tho I'm not that informed about their well being

[toxic oriole]

THat one would go for a Part 2 of the Recently Extinct DLC's pack
I say Part 2 since when the First part releases, it'll be around before the Aquatic and Aerial expansion pack, so said DLC would have to be split into two parts

[oak charm]

Stellars Sea Cow would be such a fun addition

Big chunky guy that does no harm

[toxic oriole]

Assuming the game does well post EA

Cuz if it does, then you know what comes next

[oak charm]

Post EA?

[neat iris]

Yes, for the recently extinct dlc

[toxic oriole]

We're still in the Early Access stages of Prehistoric Kingdom

[oak charm]

Oh!

[neat iris]

Sea potato XL

[toxic oriole]

Full release is scheduled for Update 19

[oak charm]

I thought you meant EA, as in the company

Thank God its not that

[toxic oriole]

Right now we are in Update 15

4 more updates till full release

I aint counting 15.1

[oak charm]

Physically unable to hurt you (unless you actively let yourself get squished against the seafloor or something)

[oak charm]

4 more updates until...

It...

[steep tulip]

Basilosaurus in my 100² pool

[oak charm]

Shonisaurus in my Psittacosaurus pond

[silver steeple]

Untrue actually

[oak charm]

Enlighten me

[flint sable]

I mean it could probably easily drown you

[silver steeple]

Mutliple reports of stellar's sea cows indicate that they were fiercely defensive of their family

[flint sable]

if something is 30 feet long there are definitely ways it can hurt you

reguardless of the fact it literally cant submerse itself and has no teeth

[oak charm]

What aquatic mammal isn't

[silver steeple]

Attempting to take down ships via ramming after the deaths of family members

That's not really the point

[oak charm]

Every time I'm reminded of why the Stellars sea cow went extinct I die a little inside

[toxic oriole]

Seagrass decline uhhhh

[flint sable]

inbreeding?

[toxic oriole]

Isnt that one of the factors that was gonna kill Stellars Sea Cow before humans got to em first?

[flint sable]

because tbh they were utterly fucked even if humans didnt show up

[toxic oriole]

Infact, Seagrass decline in general

[waxen grail]

Over hunting

[flint sable]

within a couple centuries

humans just rapidly sped it up

but they were already essentially screwed

[silver steeple]

Climate change put them at greater risk yes

[oak charm]

Doesn't mean we did em any favors though

[toxic oriole]

And it puts modern Manatees at risk too

Seagrass decline

[silver steeple]

Also they ate kelp, not sea grass

[flint sable]

their population even before europeans showed up was probably under 200 iirc

[toxic oriole]

Oh

I guess I was thinking of a different animal

[flint sable]

and restricted to essentially the coasts of two very tiny islands

[silver steeple]

*2000

[oak charm]

And it still took them 24 years to kill the last one

[flint sable]

oh so it wasnt that bad, but still

for an animal that large, thats pretty bad

plus their range had pretty much been decreasing ever since the pleistocene

[toxic oriole]

So if humans had left the Giant Manatee alone, it would probably still be around today, or may have died a few years ago in that scenario

Now with the Vaquita... :(

[flint sable]

my educated guess? had we left them entirely alone, they probably had another 500 or so years at the most

before they naturally died out

[quick ore]

there are reports that when one member of the herd got harpooned the other members would realize what was happening and then try in vain to keep them from being dragged out of the water

it's so incredibly sad

[flint sable]

it was like the wrangel island mammoth situation but worse

signifigantly smaller range and signifigantly more inbred

[toxic oriole]

Honestly, stuff like this is making me resent humanity

Like, seriously

[silver steeple]

"Steller reported an instance where, as a female was being captured, a group of other sea cows attacked the hunting boat by ramming and rocking it, and after the hunt, her mate followed the boat to shore, even after the female sea cow had died."

from https://www.davidmarinelli.net/blog/stellers-sea-cow-extinct-1768/#:~:text=Steller reported an instance where%2C as a,the hunting boat by ramming and rocking

[quick ore]

honestly I think how the last Great Auks died is even more horrific

like it is downright disturbing

[oak charm]

Nigel Marvin alone attorney for at least 47% of all of humanities sins simply by being Nigel Marvin.

[flint sable]

straight up

wasnt the last one like straight up physically choked to death?

[oak charm]

Poor thing was beaten to death because everybody thought it was a sea witch

[flint sable]

nah that was the last one in the UK

still downright horrific though

[oak charm]

Horrid

[flint sable]

but fairly certain the last last one was killed by strangulation

well, at least the last one that was entirely certain

[quick ore]

yeah its mate was clubbed to death, it was choked to death while trapped against the edge of a cliff, and then the eggs the two had been incubating were smashed

[silver steeple]

The last Auks were killed because the people who found the nesting pair thought that they'd fetch a good price at a museum

[flint sable]

(there were some later reports of lone individuals in the early 1850's near Newfoundland)

[toxic oriole]

And then comes the tale of the Kauai O'o

[flint sable]

(some of which were later accepted by the IUCN)

[toxic oriole]

...

[silver steeple]

Anyway this is all getting rather off topic

[flint sable]

crazy part about great auks is that nature straight up had a vendetta for them too

[oak charm]

... anyone wanna see my Argents?

[flint sable]

the last colony was on a now nonexistent island that was very sheltered from humans, and sported roughly 40 pairs of auks

but then the islands volcano exploded and they were forced to evacuate, and now the island no longer exists

and then the remaining ones evacuated to Eldey, where the last pair was ultimately killed

as Eldey was not ideal habitat, nor very sheltered from humans

[quick ore]

Hey I have a concept: RE dlc could prioritize some RE species not from islands (Aurochs, Quagga, etc.) so that said RE species from islands can be added in a future island DLC
not ALL of them ofc since heavy hitters like Thylacines, Dodos, and Moas were all from islands but including some Not from islands would be good since they wouldn't really have a place to be added later

[flint sable]

I think it will be probably half and half

[toxic oriole]

Thylacines have a few members tbf

[quick ore]

also a future island dlc can grab more species from the same islands

[toxic oriole]

One from Australia, One from Tasmania, and One from New Guinea or something

[flint sable]

also I would say a good 3/4 of all RE species are from islands, so excluding them arbitrarily just based on where they were from is somewhat interesting

[flint sable]

Thylacinus as a genus had multiple species in it

[quick ore]

like Mauritius tortoises, Adzebills, additional moa species, etc

[flint sable]

but the only one present in the pleistocene was T. cynocephalus, which was the species that survived into modern times

[quick ore]

i dont mean excluding

[flint sable]

and T. cynocephalus was present in both Mainland Australia, New Guinea, and Tasmania, but died out in New Guinea and Australia about 3000 years ago

[quick ore]

i mean making sure species like Quagga are included because otherwise they may not have a place to be added at all aside from alts

[flint sable]

prioritizing mainland species is kinda weird though

[toxic oriole]

-# and some guy thinks theres a chance there might be a thylacine population still alive somewhere on new guinea, though i can tell people are taking that with a grain of salt

[flint sable]

prioritize stuff thats just unique or famous really

particularly famous

[quick ore]

no i just mean like

thinking ahead

[flint sable]

I would say that out of everywhere, new guinea probably has the most chance of them being alive, but even then its near zero

also on a somewhat related sidenote, apparently Tasmania doesnt have foxes

[quick ore]

if thylacines are extant anywhere that is where they would be, but the chances that they really are out there are still incredibly low

[flint sable]

which I thought it did, but apparently it doesnt

so thats interesting

[quick ore]

doesnt have dingoes either

[flint sable]

I knew it didnt have dingoes

[steep tulip]

Recently extinct dlc so sad actually if I think about it
Like the vast majority died out because we lynched them for good

[flint sable]

I would say all

[toxic oriole]

And I'm honestly mad at the people of Tasmania for the whole 1936 Thylacine thing

Or at least, the people that were there at the time

[flint sable]

nah dont be mad at the people of tasmania

[quick ore]

be mad at the tasmanian government

[flint sable]

hell I dont even blame the farmers, they were just trying to protect their livleyhoods

like straight up im not mad at them

thats a reasonable response

[steep tulip]

Dodos I think died out for a different reason

Still very much our fault

[quick ore]

still good to be mad at them

[steep tulip]

But not lynched to extinction

[quick ore]

im mad at farmers today

[flint sable]

the people im mad at are the tasmanian government who put a bounty on their head in the first place, and scientists of the time who did basically nothing to help save them, in addition to spreading propogranda

[quick ore]

ok can you quit it with saying they were lynched

none of them died by that

and that word is like

loaded

[toxic oriole]

AND TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY, THEY GIVE THE ANIMAL PROTECTION WHEN THERES ONLY ONE INDIVIDUAL LEFT STANDING

TOO FUCKING LATE FOR THAT OF COURSE, BECAUSE THAT SPECIMEN IS DEAD!

[flint sable]

I mean to be fair they didnt know there was only one left at the time

also theres a fairly decent chance I would say that thylacines did indeed survive later than 1936

I would say its pretty likely they persisted through the 1940's

[steep tulip]

Doesn't it mean to beat someone up

[quick ore]

the death of thylacines is tied to the larger tragedy of what happened to Tasmania because of british colonialism

wtf no

[flint sable]

I would say they probably died out at some point during the 50's or 60's

[silver steeple]

No

[steep tulip]

💀

[quick ore]

it means being hung by a rope

[steep tulip]

💀 💀

[quick ore]

which is very racially charged

[silver steeple]

By a mob of people specifically

[quick ore]

yeah

[silver steeple]

Usually illegally

[quick ore]

or while wearing white hoods

[toxic oriole]

oh god no

[steep tulip]

How did I go all this time without knowing about this
Well, mb then

🥀

[silver steeple]

For the record, people of many races were lynched

[oak charm]

... Anyways.

Varanus Priscus when

[flint sable]

tommorow

source: my dream

[toxic oriole]

deltarune tomorrow

[oak charm]

[toxic oriole]

idgaf if its dead

[flint sable]

deltarune already came out

silksong when

[oak charm]

Next week

[flint sable]

ok

[toxic oriole]

I don't give a damn if that meme died off when Deltarune Chapter 3 and 4 came out, it should REMAIN.

[oak charm]

You wanna know what would be cool to have for the aquatic update?

Kaikaifilu

If anything, to give Antarctica another dignity location

And also because funny lesser known mosasaur

[steep tulip]

Kinda cool but also idk
I feel like there are better known mosasaurs to pick from
Material wise I mean

[outer moth]

Sorry, recently described
Yknow, stuff such as Spicomellus, Mexidracon, Khankulu, Alpakarakush, Titanomachya, Xanbeilong, and the like

Just, down the line

[flint sable]

Miasaura

[outer moth]

Not recently described lol

I was talking about how recent species could fit into PK down the line

[flint sable]

wait no I mean Mirasaura

sorry

the drepanosaur

[outer moth]

Cuz a lot of new n unique stuff has been described in recent years

[flint sable]

not Maiasaura

[outer moth]

Oh mb

[flint sable]

the ornithiscian

[outer moth]

Mira

Mira’s good too

[flint sable]

yeah I forgot the R

[outer moth]

Terrarium mini basically

[silver steeple]

*drepanosauromorph

[short rover]

Nah

[outer moth]

I do tend to forget that we have a lot of newly discovered fossil species with lots of potential

I mean hell, even Yuty was fairly new by the time PK announced it (in the olden days)

Emphasis on the fairly

[short rover]

Maip would be cool to see

It’s fairly new

[outer moth]

I forgot how truly big Maip is

[silver steeple]

About Das sized

[outer moth]

Cuz I see some size estimates upscale it heavy

[silver steeple]

Absolute smallest you can get the material that we have is still over 9m and close to 3 tons

[outer moth]

Yeah but then you see this and ya can’t really believe ya eyes

[silver steeple]

That is how dino scaling often is

[outer moth]

I see Maip being closer to Wikipedia scaling

[silver steeple]

This is the smallest that you can get the material

Still the largest megraptoran by a fair margin

[outer moth]

And I also see Maip as part of the Megaraptor/Austrolovenator/Maip alt slot since none of them can really work as standalones

Also didn’t they also recently find giant Megaraptoran remains in Australia?

[silver steeple]

L take

All three can stand alone tbh

[silver steeple]

No?

[silver steeple]

Australo is too different proportionally anyway

The hands are too small comparatively

[short rover]

Could easily fix it through neoteny

Tbh

[silver steeple]

Its a proportional thing

Its like the lions, not something you can really fix without editing the base model

[outer moth]

Doubt it
Plus, like Hill said, Austro’s proportions aren’t that hard to do with the new Alt system

[short rover]

I’d have Australo/megaraptor/maip triple alt

And if that wouldn’t work I’d just do Australo/megaraptor

Make maip a dlc

[outer moth]

It simply covers all 3 Megaraptoran sizes without needing seperate slots

[short rover]

Yeah

[oak charm]

Fair enough, but I can't think of any other Antarctic reptiles to excava

Cryolophosaurus

I almost forgot about Cryo

[short rover]

Antarctopelta is easily my number 1 choice

[silver steeple]

Ok what's y'all's arguments for none of the megaraptorans being able to just be themselves

[oak charm]

Elaborate, I wasn't here for a min so idk what happened

[outer moth]

Hell, I might even go so far as to say that Theropoda in particular needs to be split ingame so it’s easier to select theropods in the nursery

[silver steeple]

Literally read up like not even 10 messages

[oak charm]

YES

[short rover]

I don’t have an argument because I didn’t say that wasn’t possible. Just that I’d prefer them being merged

[silver steeple]

Why

[short rover]

Takes up less dev time and slots and yadda yadda

[silver steeple]

Alts def take more dev time than just making 3 skins for one animal lol

[outer moth]

1. We already got too many stand-alone theropods
2. It encompasses most of Megaraptora
3. Size variation (like cmon, can’t ya just use Juxia logic for Austro?)

[silver steeple]

You can't

[short rover]

No alts vs the alternative of redeveloping a new animal from scratch as a new model

[silver steeple]

Again it's proportionally different

[short rover]

Not one animal having just 3 skins

[oak charm]

Juxia is like the opposite of a megaraptoran

[short rover]

I don’t think you know what the comparison was supposed to imply

[oak charm]

I guess I dont

[outer moth]

It’s not the animal, it’s the logic that Juxia uses

[oak charm]

And explain what you mean by logic

[short rover]

I’ll explain; juxia is an alt of paraceratherium showing that alts can vary greatly in size

Which was omangos point

[oak charm]

Aaaahhhh

[short rover]

(I believe)

[silver steeple]

By using neoteny yes

[oak charm]

I see

[silver steeple]

But that only works when the proportions are very similar

[oak charm]

Personally, id like all the megaraptorans to be distinct from eachother.

[silver steeple]

Which is not the case for Australovenator vs other megaraptorans

[oak charm]

Because proportionally they werent that similar

[outer moth]

That would take up way too many slots though

[silver steeple]

It really wouldn't

Just do Australo or Megaraptor or Maip

Not really a need for all of them

Megaraptor with a Maip alt could maybe work

[oak charm]

That'd have to be a damn big Megaraptor

[silver steeple]

We dunno if Maip was doing anything different with its hands, but the assumption is that it wouldn't

[short rover]

How do we know the proportions are so diff they couldn’t work as alts aren’t they all pretty frag with Australo being the most complete?

And most things are based on it?

Or no

[silver steeple]

Because we have Mega's and Australo's hands to compare to

[ancient ibex]

The fact that we barely have half a skeleton putting together all megaraptorid material

[oak charm]

Yes, doesn't mean we won't find evidence of differe proportions in different megaraptoran specimens

[outer moth]

Which is one of my points
We already have a shitton of theropods (which need splitting into smaller clades), so 3 nearly identical members of the same family would simply make more sense if they were merged into one
It wouldn’t waste as many dev resources and it would cluster up the roster

[ancient ibex]

Dude, proportions literally change with ontogeny in everything

[steep tulip]

Pretty sure megaraptor is recovered often as one of the more basal members together with australovenator

[ancient ibex]

Nope

Megaraptor is often found closer to the advanced clade

[steep tulip]

No?

[silver steeple]

To a certain degree yes

[short rover]

I still don’t really see why the devs couldn’t just make the baby megas be very scrawny, stopping with australo proportions for its alt and then beefing up for mega but

[steep tulip]

Oh nvm then lol

[silver steeple]

Within PK's tech limitations, you can't go from Australo to Megaraptor

[short rover]

But you can go nano to Rex?

[oak charm]

I dont think Megaraptors would have such a high degree of ontogelogical change as a Tyrannosaur would.

[silver steeple]

It doesn't go from Nano lol

[ancient ibex]

You are literally saying this is too much of an issue

[steep tulip]

I think it was only the maip paper that put it as basal then

[short rover]

You know what I mean tho the proportions are completely diff

[silver steeple]

Yes

This is proven with the lions

[shell sonnet]

how

[short rover]

What got proven with the lions

[outer moth]

Yeah, you haven’t quite explained that part

[silver steeple]

The limb proportions of P. atrox and spealea are different by a decent margin

[ancient ibex]

I believe you are making stuff up

And?

[silver steeple]

I've seen tons of people mentioning that

[shell sonnet]

They're still alts of each other

[silver steeple]

Oh my god

Let me finsih

[ancient ibex]

And that not being addressed in-game means it is impossible to be a thing?

Tarbo and Tyranno have different proportions

[silver steeple]

Ok whatever

Christ Almighty

[ancient ibex]

Take the L

The ontogeny system allows for proportion changes with growth

[short rover]

I just don’t really understand how you can say that Australovenator and maip are too proportionally different to be neotenic alts when the juvie rex and adult rex look so different but whatever. It’s a non issue and we will see one day if megas ever come to the game

I hope they do

At least one

[ancient ibex]

Your argument for an impossibility is the Panthera species not having their proportions addressed

[outer moth]

Another Erior W
Though seriously Boi, I don’t think the lions are proportionately different enough to warrant separation

[ancient ibex]

The lions also share a juvenile skin ttbt, they are a bit undifferentiated atm

[oak charm]

The large predatory felines are similar in bodily proportions for a reason
(Easier development)

[ancient ibex]

The 2 Smilodon species have differentiated proportions

[short rover]

Well American lions and cave lions are also like extremely closely related

[ancient ibex]

As well

[short rover]

Some people argue they’re the same species

[outer moth]

Also Erior, thoughts on a “recently described” species pack in PK’s future?
I feel like it would be a nice addition, seeing as newer described species are also rlly cool

[oak charm]

Some people argue that me and a swarm of wasps are the same species

Now that I mentioned it, I havent looked in a mirror lately

[outer moth]

Have you felt any sudden urge to start eating bbq food n to sting small children?

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, proportions do change with growth in the game

[oak charm]

Does copious amounts of steak and grilled shrimp count?

[ancient ibex]

Recent descriptions here and there would be cool, not so sure on a dedicated pack ttbt, but that's just feeling, no strong basis or opinion

[outer moth]

Yep

Wasps love that stuff

[smoky spear]

Curious how modders will work with that

[oak charm]

Uses T. rex as an example
I know what you are

[smoky spear]

So far I’ve only seen stuffs like size and texture change

Never seen anyone messing with the ontogeny system

[oak charm]

Personally I think forcing an animal to stay the size of a baby is cruel.

Y'all remember that one batman villain that was a middle aged woman trapped in her never aging body, having her chance at a normal adult life be robbed from her? That's what I think about.

[ancient ibex]

Right

[median relic]

if we were to hypothetically find a single very well preserved megaraptoran, where and when would it most likely be from??

[hollow furnace]

South America

We allegedly have one iirc, an undescribed Megaraptor specimen

[slim flare]

The Cretaceous

[flint sable]

on earth probably

in the past

[median relic]

ooh?

[quick ore]

imo if any one Megaraptoran gets into the game it should be Australovenator. It may not be the largest but it is one of the more complete species and is legitimately the only large theropod you could get in the game from Australia.

[hollow furnace]

No faith in the triassic megaraptor lagerstatten?

[digital pendant]

Australovenator and one south american megaraptor alt would be dope

[short rover]

WHAT

[short rover]

Megaraptor would be cool, its name has so much aura im imagining more casual players clicking on it expecting a massive raptor only to be met with peak

I like little avenues of exposing people to species like that

[quick ore]

sure but do y'all get my point about Australovenator having more importance due to continent representation?

[slim flare]

Megaraptor is imo the best
Australovenator for the meme
Maip because bigger is better

[quick ore]

like SA has plenty of other theropods to use

[slim flare]

Gotta do all four of Australia’s non-avian dinosaurs

[flint sable]

ture...

[short rover]

What meme

[short rover]

lol

In all seriousness I’d like Australo just cuz he’s a weirdo in a cool size range

It being from Australia is neat as well

[slim flare]

Australovenator being in WWD meme

[short rover]

Ohhhh

Even tho it’s not Australo

I assume that’s the meme

[slim flare]

That’s why it’s a meme

[median relic]

my brain wants megaraptor or australo, but the heart yearns for maip

[shell sonnet]

Megaraptor I feel has the strongest formation: it's got both Unenlagia comahuensis (which would be a great Austroraptor alt) and Futalogkosaurus, the funkiest big titanosaur.

[short rover]

I really don’t care abt formations tbh

[flint sable]

agreed

I think taxonomic diversity is more important than having something just for the sake of location diversity

[short rover]

Just gimme cool animal

[flint sable]

its a nice bonus indeed

[short rover]

I see location diversity as a byproduct of good taxonomic diversity

[silver steeple]

I think continental diversity is good, but beyond that idrc

[shell sonnet]

Considering that the game awards formation sameness in enclosures, coming from the same one matters

[feral cedar]

Can you guys imagine they add Spicomellus in a Jurassic Africa DLC

[short rover]

Would be pretty sick

[silver steeple]

Not for carnivores

[feral cedar]

would feel sorry for whoever has to model the damn thing 💀

[shell sonnet]

put a few rocks in between them

[silver steeple]

Can you do that? Sure, but most people don't

[shell sonnet]

That's not my problem

[silver steeple]

Plus I'm pretty sure herbis are supposed to get stressed out by carnivores in the same habitat later on

[feral cedar]

Jurassic Africa DLC covers enough ground; we could have Heterodontosaurus, Lesothosaurus, Massospondylus, Vulcanodon, Spicomellus, Thyreosaurus, Kentrosaurus, Elaphrosaurus, and Giraffatitan pseudo-alt as choices

That's not to say we need all of these

[shell sonnet]

You're missing Afrovenator and Jobaria

[feral cedar]

Afrovenator's sole purpose would be to 'sell' the pack because big mean carnivore imo

I personally see no reason to introduce it to PK other than covering that one branch of megalosaurids

[shell sonnet]

It's not actually that big

[feral cedar]

too many branches clutters the tree

I just made that up

[fading widget]

Australovenator! Something to familiarise with mutta

[short rover]

They didn’t live with each other tmk

So they’d have to introduce each other

[fading widget]

Familiarise as in they both come from Australia

[short rover]

Ah

[digital pendant]

does defeat the point of it being a bonus if you can get it with all animals

[short rover]

Trug

Also if I’m honest it doesn’t change the gameplay tooo much

[digital pendant]

the bonus is mostly for challenge play and its optional

doesnt really affect the game THAT bad

[shell sonnet]

Challenge is mostly what I do

[digital pendant]

i mean same

[short rover]

Thats why its bonus

[digital pendant]

the exhibit bonus stuff got more diversity with the paleobotany and milestones now too

cenozoics get a bonus for keeping cenozoic plants

[shell sonnet]

No it's a bonus because you managed to create an exhibit that satisfies the needs of multiple species

[short rover]

Point being I don’t think animal choices should be judged along the lines of “this animal has stuff living with it that could be added so it could get the small cohabitation bonus ingame”

[digital pendant]

there is time period and region as well

not as many points but lets you experiment

[short rover]

Oh yeah…it’s been awhile since I played

[shell sonnet]

And I think it should be a factor, we simply disagree

[digital pendant]

its a good factor to consider, but not applicable to all animals

[short rover]

That’s fine, no need for the tag

[silver steeple]

Just a nice G'day should do fine

[shell sonnet]

Sure but the ones I think it's not applicable are notable names like Carnotaurus or Amargasaurus, which have a lot of positive traits like unique appereances, mostly complete skeletons and other freatures. For something like Megaraptors, which are both fragmentary and samey, formations should have more weight.

[short rover]

Fragmentary and cool*

[quick ore]

While I agree, I do think that for a game like this it is good to make sure locations aren't being left out when they don't need to be

[digital pendant]

I dont think the sameyness is a detriment

we got 3 flavors of psittaco

[quick ore]

just like Planet Zoo

[digital pendant]

PZ isnt the only zoo game that did that

all previous zoo games did that

realistically, some places will always get more focus

example africa being primary focus on a zoo game makes sense

[shell sonnet]

What I mean by samey is they look very much a like that apperance doesn't give one any advantage over the other; show me another abelisaur like Carnotaurus

[digital pendant]

if anything pz is the only zoo game that has done more justice to places like australia and south america

[short rover]

And North America in a paleo park game makes sense since it has a lot of well known and well preserved things

[slim flare]

Hoarding the megafauna…

[short rover]

Like how irl zoos have African animals cuz the big stuff is there

[slim flare]

Another 20 trillion antelope to Africa!

[digital pendant]

there is size to think about which can affect food intake, aggression, security needs, etc

[shell sonnet]

that's because their megafauna grew up with us; we killed most of the others once we met them

[short rover]

Climate also had a factor but pretty much

[shell sonnet]

Size can be handled with alts

[digital pendant]

all of that is handled with alts thats what im saying

[shell sonnet]

You haven't made that clear

If that was your intent, I apologize

[digital pendant]

i was talking about megaraptor alts that while being samey (which allows them to have alts since its very little to change model wise), CAN be made interesting with all other stats

so even if they have no formation buddies, they can stand out by other means on their own

i did side tracked with the pz stuff so my point got kinda confusing lol

[quick ore]

Can y'all see though that if the choice is between 2 Megaraptorans who by and large look the same and the major difference is one is from an already represented part of the world and another is from an underrepresented part, does it not make sense to choose the latter?

[digital pendant]

you can have both?

[shell sonnet]

I don't think I've said there should be just one megaraptor species; my intentions was just that if there was just one, I'd rather go with Megaraptor because of its formations

[digital pendant]

i dont see whats the issue

[quick ore]

you mean as an alt?

[digital pendant]

AH ok ok

[quick ore]

well I can see that

I just mean that Australo shouldn't be overlooked

[digital pendant]

yeah all megaraptors are basically a composite of one another so might as well at least have an alt

[shell sonnet]

Like personally, I'd like Australovenator to come as an alt

[digital pendant]

australo + megaraptor alt works

or viceversa

or do 3 flavors of megaraptor and call it a day

[quick ore]

how feathery do we think they would be in game

[cosmic cosmos]

I think Australo with mega alt is good for base. Maip can be used to sell a DLC imo

[slim flare]

How much of Maip is there?

[digital pendant]

https://www.deviantart.com/randomdinos/art/Fukuiraptor-kitadaniensis-skeletal-reconstruction-1004901264 hell throw fukuiraptor in the mix, so you have on japanese, one south american and one australian

[slim flare]

Oof

[quick ore]

wouldn't that be almost every Megaraptoran lol

[shell sonnet]

Not much

[silver steeple]

It's alright for a megaraptoran

[cosmic cosmos]

How big is fukui?

[silver steeple]

Quite small

[digital pendant]

most complete one is aerosteon iirc

[quick ore]

yeah and Australo is one of the more complete species by a fair margin

[silver steeple]

Yeah I believe so

Aerosteon is also the closest to Maip phylogenetically I think?

Could be misremembering tho

[digital pendant]

ok australo is not that complete

[silver steeple]

Ye

[shell sonnet]

Sorry wrong reply

[silver steeple]

Ok so I was mostly correct lol

[quick ore]

wait where tf can I find how complete Australovenator is

[shell sonnet]

google "Australovenator skeletal"

[silver steeple]

A lot of sources lump in material from Lightning Ridge or whatever it's called, and Rapator into Australo

[shell sonnet]

I mean with a holotype like this

can't blame them

[cosmic cosmos]

Rapator is such a joke lol, as an Aussie I'm embarrassed by some of our "described" dinosaurs

[digital pendant]

australo and megaraptor combo is honestly the best imo

[fading widget]

Australovenator sucks with the lack of fossils tbh, but it’s definitely more complete than most of the other Australian theropods

[short rover]

Would be good

[cosmic cosmos]

Shoutout winton for being our only good formation

[short rover]

I’d actually like to see a feathered Australo

[shell sonnet]

The better Australian theropod

[silver steeple]

Feather cape......

[quick ore]

this is so weird

[fading widget]

Sadly only Winton at the moment

[quick ore]

I could have sworn it had more fossils

im sorry

OH I see what happened

[fading widget]

Were you thinking about the Australovenator wire frame reconstruction?

[quick ore]

I was remembering this comparison but I mixed up which species was which

[shell sonnet]

The top one is a composite

[oak charm]

Crunchy pixels yum yum yum

[quick ore]

Top to bottom, COMPOSITE of derived megaraptoran (Aerosteon, Murusraptor, Orcoraptor, Megaraptor); Aerosteon riocoloradense holotype MCNA-PV-3137; Murusraptor barrosaensis holotype MCF-PVPH 411; Megaraptor namunhuaiquii adult (composite of holotype MCF-PVPH 79 and MUCPv 341) and juvenile MUCPv 595; Australovenator wintonensis holotype AODF 604; Fukuiraptor kitadaniensis FPDM-V 97122.

I had mistakenly remembered the one with a juvie specimen as being Australo

[silver steeple]

Ah yeah no lol

Baby meg has been in the works for a few years now

[fading widget]

Would any Australian ankylosaurs be of interest?

[shell sonnet]

Look and the end of the day, it's a group just begging for one really good specimen.

[shell sonnet]

Kunbarrasaurus

[silver steeple]

Kunbarrasaurus is basically the one

Minmi has like no material

[fading widget]

Yea, and considered to be more primitive

[silver steeple]

Its a parankylosaur

[cosmic cosmos]

Agree, minmi alt for the sake of the name could be done, but not a standalone

[fading widget]

Kunbarra is nearly complete which is really good

[silver steeple]

Related to Stegouros and Antarctopelta

[fading widget]

How much of minmi has been found anyway? Only like scraps, right?

[silver steeple]

I could see that Antarcto being an alt of Kunbarra ngl

[shell sonnet]

that Spicomellus paper split Stegouros from the other two by quite a bit

[flint sable]

tbh with the ammount of dinosaurs known from basically nothing, its only a matter of time untill we get a dinosaur known from literally nothing

[short rover]

I’d like that quite a bit

[silver steeple]

That matrix isn't made with paranks

[short rover]

I’d like one paranky at least

[flint sable]

oh wait a minute I forgot Bruhathkayosaurus exists

already there

[silver steeple]

So its not gonna find them as a group, since its not looking for them

[ancient ibex]

And I was late

My bad

[slim flare]

Footprint taxon…

[flint sable]

Grallator in PK when

[silver steeple]

We already have Eubrontes

[cosmic cosmos]

macroelongatoolithus for PK when 🙏 🙏

[flint sable]

oh wait a minute I forgot Grallator is confirmed for PK

I hope it gets at least one feathered skin

[slim flare]

Tameryraptor…

[fading widget]

Has thylacine or thylacoleo been mentioned here yet?

[slim flare]

Never

[shell sonnet]

Just by EZ

[fading widget]

Thylacoleo could be interesting, since it climbed trees and had that large claw

[cosmic cosmos]

I will say that if V. priscus makes it in the skins better actually be interesting. I don't want no cave bear lizard version

[short rover]

Iirc it’s tree climbing proficiency is contested

I’m sure it could but I believe there’s been doubt cast on if it relied on it as much as usually depcited

Regaurdles it’s an awesome pick

[quick ore]

yeah pretty sure Thylacoleo hunted terrestrially more often than not

the current theory iirc is that it used its thumb claw to lacerate the tendons of large macropods from behind and cripple them

[quick ore]

*regardless

[flint sable]

I made a large and thorough post about Thylacinus a while ago

[flint sable]

#1360542295228944414 message

[fading widget]

Ill take a look

[fading widget]

The thing with different skins for thylacinus is interesting, since aboriginals have actually talked about how there were different colors of thylacines, not just the average tan color

[flint sable]

oh interesting

you could definitely go with some speculation on that front yeah

I would personally like to see at least 1 alt for Thylacinus though, even if its essentially just slightly larger

which is basically was T. potens would be

[fading widget]

Not sure if i can find anything talking about that but apparently there were variations of colors like brown, dark brown to a sooty color....but again i dont think theres literal evidence in photos

[fading widget]

I agree

[quick ore]

really? where?

[ancient ibex]

That's what the hue diversity in-game does tho

[fading widget]

I tried to find an article but couldn't, so heres some pics that differentiate from the usual tan, though I'm not too sure if the white thylacine is albino (but they have talked about seeing grey or white-colored thylacines)

[flint sable]

not entirely sure but I think those last two are due to storage conditions and not nessicarily reflective of the animal in life

especially the third one

a lot of older taxidermies can get bleached

[fading widget]

Yeah, true, that could be the case

[flint sable]

and the first one is also a drawing too so its also not nessicarily reflecting the animal in life either

its also kinda hard to tell with photographs because well, their photos

but in photos you can kinda see that there sorta seems to be variation, with some darker vs others lighter

although it could definitely be the lighting

[fading widget]

Yeah, if i could find something that talks about it i would, but its scarce

[flint sable]

it seems that generally speaking, they also had darker hindquarters

even excluding the stripes

[toxic oriole]

I have a dog who's quite silent
I know that Thylacines were usually quiet, but that didnt mean they couldnt make noise

[flint sable]

they were probably quite silent yes

at least in comparison to say, most canids

we dont have any recordings unfortunately, but there are some renditions on what it may have sounded like

apparently they had a weird barking sound

[toxic oriole]

My dog is part husky and part labrador retriever, I honestly expected her to be more talkative

But no

[flint sable]

and then a general growl used as agression

[toxic oriole]

She only barks when she see's someone she doesnt recognise

For the most part, she's just silent

[flint sable]

and then a weird "Undulating Cry"

the bark has also been described as a sort of loud cough

[toxic oriole]

I could say she's somewhat close enough to a thylacine in the sense of being silent most of the time
But then again...

[fading widget]

Isnt there a recording of a thylacine barking?

[toxic oriole]

No

Theres only recreations

As far as I'm aware, sound recording devices never made it to Tasmania

At the time

[flint sable]

I really like these renditions here in particular

https://youtu.be/_VETfEj_MHc?si=DOVIuiLZTmR70tfm

but yeah unfortunately not a single thylacine was ever recorded with sound

they seem fairly plausible

[fading widget]

Oh yeah

[toxic oriole]

Got a long ways ahead of Thylacine sound design for Prehistoric Kingdom before the Recently Extinct Species DLC

Emphasis on LONG WAYS AHEAD

[neat iris]

Yeah that sounds about right

Kinda like dogs mixed with Tasmanian devils

[quick tartan]

anyone else want to see Irritator

[sharp dock]

no, it irritates me

[quick tartan]

it irriated its namers too.

[low bridge]

Hmmmm Maip??

Big One

[short rover]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-toy-story-1-pixar-sid-toy-story-sid-gif-6250154050096798111

[low bridge]

The Bigger One

[low bridge]

Grallator ain't real

It is Ichnogenus

[plain knoll]

add Daspletosaurus, Gorgosaurus/Albertosaurus, Alioramus, and Megalosaurus/eustreptospondilus

they allready have one nomen dubium in the game, so what...

[plush nacelle]

Nomen dubiums in game are usually alts for something

[plain knoll]

urunguluk is on its own...

[plush nacelle]

It is alt for edmontosaurus

[plain knoll]

litterarly smaller edmontosaurus

[plush nacelle]

Wouldn't make into the game others

[plain knoll]

for what do you mean?

[plush nacelle]

I mean, if troodon had to happen it would be probably alt skin for something else

[plain knoll]

well troodon is small maniraptorian, but still different...so i doubt it can be an alt for what we allready have

[plush nacelle]

I mean we know already existing animals aint supposed to get alts

[steep tulip]

Troodon alt is just gonna be another troodontid with troodon name slapped ontop

[ancient ibex]

Just go with the Gobi complete animals instead of the NA tooth taxa

[abstract compass]

Lateni...

[ancient ibex]

Not even the guy who named it sees it as distinct from Stenonycho

[outer moth]

Hot take: I prefer Giga over Carcha

[low bridge]

Bc Giga is Gigachad

Tbh

[left spear]

They are the same animal

Any preference is tbh random

[ancient ibex]

Pretty much Tarbo versus Tyranno

Different biotas, same thing, but one is a bit lesser

[left spear]

Tbh even less of a difference

You can clearly see the size difference between Tarbo and Rex, carchs and gigas is much smaller

[ancient ibex]

How can you be sure about a size difference being a telltale way to tell them apart with our sample size

Bigass Zhuchengtyrannus pretty much points towards rex size for Tyrannosaurins as a very reasonable take

And we do have size overlap with our current sample anyway

[smoky spear]

1 of the coldest takes ever

[digital pendant]

You all look at this so superficially. They can make giga very distinct gameplay wise over carcha

Like being more social

One or the other could be more aggro

Etc

Like a jaguar and leopard situation. Superficially kinda similar, but very different in behavior

[waxen grail]

And since Ugrunaaluk is in game having an alt that’s larger as Latenivenatrix (Invalid like Ugrunaaluk is) would be nice

[waxen grail]

Or instead of the larger alt being called Latenivenatrix it can be Stenonychosaurus

Which is slightly more valid

[waxen grail]

I agree, the Gobi Troodontids should be the main one(s) and if they add NA Troodontids they would be the alt(s) (Not that it really matters since they’d technically all be alts of eachother but it makes sense to base them off of the most complete ones as opposed to the most american ones)

[ancient ibex]

Saurornithoides > Zanabazar 🙃

[waxen grail]

I’m guessing Saurornithoides is more complete?

[ancient ibex]

It is the Djadotcha original

We got Velo, Proto and Ovi, Saurornithoides is the 4th member of that 1924 group

[late swallow]

And a fuckin mouthful

[waxen grail]

It’s not that hard to pronounce

[ancient ibex]

Says the person with a japanese character as an username

[waxen grail]

I’m pretty sure the only reason that’s hard to pronounce is because you can’t read Japanese characters

[late swallow]

I've figured out thr pronunciation of Saurornithoides, our mouth just doesn't like it

[ancient ibex]

NGL, I'm just making a joking observation of how it felt weird, sorry if it came out unsensible

[waxen grail]

Albertosaurus/Gorgosaurus*/j
(But also Albert was discovered first)

[plain knoll]

yeah i know, but they were very similar genenuses, so i put them together, altgough gorgo had a bit thinner and boxier skull shape

[waxen grail]

Albert and Gorgo would definitely be alts of eachother, you’re right

[shell sonnet]

Gorgo and Albert have been mixed up from time to time; they'd work as alts (though Albert should be the main)

[plain knoll]

i thin that gorgosaurus was sometimes classified as different species of albertosaurus, similar thing like tarbosaurus was classified as tyrannosaurus battar

[late swallow]

You're fine. Mouth is just more programmed towards Japanese/Romance sounds than Geek ones

[plain knoll]

yeah

[hollow furnace]

Alberto skin with big feature scales

I will make this a paleomeme one way or another

[waxen grail]

They are sister taxa after all

[plain knoll]

i dont know wheter they would be classified as medium or large theropods though, somewhere in range of allosaurus for ecological niche

but it would be cool if we had them in the game

[waxen grail]

Is there actually such thing as a ‘main’ one anymore, now that all alt genera are shown separately in the nursery?

[hollow furnace]

Kind of, for animals with only two alts its the one with two/more skins

[waxen grail]

That makes sense

[plain knoll]

what to say about psittacosaurus then? we have three species of them, all with one skin

[smoky spear]

its like the worst pk animal atm in terms of anatomy so maybe its not the gold standard for alts

[plain knoll]

maybe we can say that psitacosaurus sp. is the main since its 100% paleo accurate in its reconstruction

[smoky spear]

no its not

[waxen grail]

Taco?

[smoky spear]

yeah

[plain knoll]

u sure? we know alot about it though

[smoky spear]

some people working on it have commented its the worst animal in game

[hollow furnace]

that's why it's not 100% accurate

[smoky spear]

the jwe3 taco is unironically way better

even though its a mix of different species

[waxen grail]

(At least PK doesn’t have JW designs)

[plain knoll]

interesting, well i guess they will do a remodel of it at some point

its jist a taco

[waxen grail]

Not necessarily but it would be nice

[smoky spear]

thats not gonna happen

the best time to do it was before the ontogeny update

during which they updated the torvo

[waxen grail]

What did they update in Torvo again?

I forget

[left spear]

In 14 they made It chunkier

[smoky spear]

it also had some broken animations

[plain knoll]

well we will owerlook his issues then...

[waxen grail]

(That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not happening it’s just unlikely)

[smoky spear]

i mean

updating it now would be way more work

thats why i dont see it happening at this point

[plain knoll]

at least pk doesnt stick to nostalgia of its franchise when the design is in question apart from jw. thats the biggest problem of jw games...and thats why in that term pk have much more opportunities to be better

[waxen grail]

I know

[abstract compass]

are we really back to this? lmao

[waxen grail]

Did I miss something about Giga and Carch?

[left spear]

Seems so

Nothing important same as always

[waxen grail]

When were they synonymised?

[abstract compass]

they are not.

[left spear]

No the same animal

I mean like for the Game they essentially are

[abstract compass]

they arent similar.

for the game

[waxen grail]

Ok

[abstract compass]

they are even more different.

[left spear]

Nah, Giga should be dlc only

[digital pendant]

The irony that gameplay wise acro and carch are basically the same 😂

Very similar requirements

[left spear]

Not different enough for base game

[digital pendant]

One is just slightly larger

[left spear]

Well yeah but Acro is much different visually, i don't mind giga as a DLC but for base Game they are too similar for my liking

[digital pendant]

Tbh having giga in base game would mean the game at a base level has all the big theropods that matter

Which is hella epic

[abstract compass]

ive punched in these things into peoples heads before. If Giga goes into PK i doubt it would be similar if at all. Keratin anchor points at the material points to some large differences.

so...its up to the devs eventually how different it becomes

but baseline its quite obvious.

[waxen grail]

I would prefer Albert/Gorgo

[abstract compass]

just ask AD how many times ive had to argue about Carchs

[neat iris]

Plz give Giga devs

[digital pendant]

This isnt an albert talk

[shell sonnet]

You're missing one

[digital pendant]

Which?

[shell sonnet]

Therizino

[digital pendant]

I mean thats a given someday tbh

[plain knoll]

carcharo basically repaces giga at this point, but for giga it would be great to have mapusaurus and tyrannotitan as alts

[left spear]

I mean yes they could give It a very different and unique desing, but that argument can be made for every single animals, this chat would go nuclear if you used the same argument on other animals.

[abstract compass]

every tyrannosaur is just a clone

[left spear]

Yes

[abstract compass]

every theropod is just a clone of a different theropod

[left spear]

We need like 3 tyrannosaurids imo

[abstract compass]

if u dont utilize creative flexibility and add flair, differences, etc. based off of what the fossils tell us then every argument u make is just dead.

[left spear]

Alts aside

[abstract compass]

so what ur telling me this game would work fine with 1 of each family. would be a rather boring game then wouldnt it.

[plain knoll]

4 with tarbosaurus

[shell sonnet]

Just 3, I can think of 4

[left spear]

Idk With Rex/Tarbo + Alberto/Gorgo + Alió/qianzho i think we are fine

[shell sonnet]

Daspleto

[left spear]

Dasp is nice but not a must

[abstract compass]

[shell sonnet]

I mean I wouldn't put it on the same level as the others, though I also wouldn't put Alioramus on the level as the other; couldn't fit into my list

[plain knoll]

with daspleto you allready have two species

[left spear]

No, but realistically we don't need things like lytho, dynamo or others, i would rather have them make unique animals than megatheropods #6

[abstract compass]

what makes you think that megatheropods cant be unique?

[left spear]

Never said that

[abstract compass]

"would rather have them make unique animals than megatheropods #6"

[neat iris]

So many awesome theropods that need to be in the game

[abstract compass]

thats what you are saying.

[neat iris]

Giga, bary, sucho, carno, cerato, yuty or nanuq

[plain knoll]

zhuchengtyrannus would be least unique then

[late swallow]

Remember, Deinocheirus is a megatherapof

[plain knoll]

basically t.rex but asian

[waxen grail]

Bary is confirmed iirc

[late swallow]

We have that lmao

[shell sonnet]

so is Tarbo

[left spear]

An animal can be unique but if you have 6 of the same type It can get repetitive, i like Big sauropods but i don't think we need Dread, Mamenchi, giraffa, Alamo and others

[left spear]

You know what i mean

[shell sonnet]

those animals are nothing alike

holy crap

[abstract compass]

damn thats a poor ass argument.

[late swallow]

Yummy false equivalence in the morning

[plain knoll]

thats why the zhuch is off the list

[late swallow]

Like I get comparing Alamo and Dread a little

[left spear]

Look i just think there are +15 theropods that would be much more interesting than Carch with different desing orentation

Let alone animals

[late swallow]

Alamo could make for a rather easy alt for Argent

[neat iris]

We already have carcharodontosaurus, right?

[late swallow]

List

[late swallow]

Yes

[shell sonnet]

I have about 25, do you want that

[plain knoll]

mamenchi is qute unique though, since its proportions

[late swallow]

Sure

[neat iris]

Ok, because I might revise the Africa pack I made a few years ago

[late swallow]

Fucking love Mamenchisaurus

[abstract compass]

idk man seems like a very big "ill die on this hill" moment when you dont seem to have a very good opinion

[plain knoll]

but as for sauropods, diplodocus and mamechisaurus would be great to add as famous sauropods, but for unique sauropods amargasaurus and ni*ersaurus would be great

[buoyant vault]

can we get a giraffe

[digital pendant]

why are you censoring nigersaurus

[waxen grail]

Nigersaurus doesn’t need to be censored

[abstract compass]

if u say u dont want animals because they are similar, but the devs can make them different, and then list off very different sauropods in response, idk man. confusion. ill leave it at that

[late swallow]

Censoring it makes it worse

[plain knoll]

and shonisaurus (the one with a tailclub i thing) if i spell it right

[abstract compass]

Sivatherium is a personal favorite in this category

[buoyant vault]

honestly the only three sauropods i want atm are shuno, amarg and diplo

[late swallow]

Amarg good

Dippy also good

[waxen grail]

Shoni is the giant Ichthyosaur iirc

[buoyant vault]

OH YEAH

[plain knoll]

just for quirk

[buoyant vault]

im getting shoni and shuno mixed up 💔

[late swallow]

But consider: Brachytracelopan

[shell sonnet]

Herrerasaurus ischigualastensis
Limusaurus inextricabilis/Elaphrosaurus bambergi
Masiakasaurus knopfleri
Ceratosaurus nasicornis
Majungasaurus crenatissimus
Monolophosaurus jiangi
Piatnitzkysaurus floresi
Afrovenator abakensis
Yangchuanosaurus shangyouensis/Sinraptor dongi
Neovenator salerii
Megaraptor namunhuaiquii/Australovenator wintonensis
Guanlong wucaii
Yutyrannus huali
Albertosaurus sarcophagus/Gorgosaurus libratus
Ornitholestes hermanni
Pelecanimimus polyodon
Struthiomimus altus/Ornithomimus edmontonicus
Mononykus olecranus
Falcarius utahensis
Nothronychus graffami/Neimongosaurus yangi
Anzu wyliei
Gigantoraptor erlianensis
Deinonychus antirrhopus
Austroraptor cabazai/Unenlagia comahuensis
Stenonychosaurus inequalis/Saurornithoides mongoliensis

Took out the ones in the game already (or had equivalents) as well as any alts for those ones

[neat iris]

Amarg and dippy are probably the best for short (in height) sauropod rep

Them and maybe nigersaurus

[buoyant vault]

i want sivatherium as much as the next guy but i would prefer Giraffa camelopardalis reticulata

[left spear]

Masiaka, Bonapartenykus, garudimimus, any Troodontid, Concavenator, pelicanimimus, Majungasaurus, suchomimus, icthyovenator (bary alt), Yutyrannus, guanglong, elaphrosaurus, Deinonychus, Austroraptor, beipiaosaurus and a few others.

[plain knoll]

i did it on purpose, seemed funny

[late swallow]

You don't miss. There's like 5 I don't know but these are all good

[abstract compass]

what

[late swallow]

No...

[buoyant vault]

[steep tulip]

alluding at a slur aint that funny

[shell sonnet]

Suchomimus doesn't really add much with Bary in the game (and Icthyovenator, just no)

[waxen grail]

All good options

[waxen grail]

Could be a Bary alt

[shell sonnet]

Sucho would work as a bary alt I agree, but Bary doesn't seem to be getting one

[steep tulip]

cant talk about nigersaurus without some people commenting on it

[late swallow]

I'm here for like 6 of these

[shell sonnet]

that's the icthyosaur

[late swallow]

Super fucking cool dinosaur

[waxen grail]

It’s annoying that that always happens

[left spear]

No, i'd rather have some real variety, i would take any of the ones i listed over giga 40 times over

[late swallow]

Hoover face

[neat iris]

This is the Africa pack I made three years ago. If I was to revise it, I’d swap carchar with kentrosaurus and maybe add a few more species.

[left spear]

Which

[plain knoll]

at the end of the day we will make complete wishlist to spam dews to include them till end of final update, along with allready planned animals

[buoyant vault]

its such a weird dinosaur i absolutely ADORE nigersaurus

[abstract compass]

your real variety is imagined.

[steep tulip]

all the mid ones (the non noasaurs)

[left spear]

Any of those is Infinitely more unique to others than giga to carch

[digital pendant]

its a really weird thing to compared most of those small animals to a big lad like giga

[late swallow]

Garudi, Conca, Majung, Guanlong, Deinon, Beipiao

[digital pendant]

debatable

[plain knoll]

nigersaurus is allready a meme for that reason, and it looked funny

[left spear]

Tbh i just don't think we need any more megatheropods save Theri

[digital pendant]

giga, gigantoraptor and theri are the top 3 missing large theropods and having them all would be epic

[left spear]

Idk if sucho classified as mega theropod

[late swallow]

I'd reckon you should put down the shovel mate

[left spear]

Isn't Giganto like 4 tons

[digital pendant]

man why are you all annoying over tiny details 😭

[buoyant vault]

i would rather have giganto than giganoto imo

[late swallow]

"Large theropod"

[steep tulip]

I would say thats megatheropod size

[waxen grail]

I feel like having dlc based on continents isn’t the best. Especially if it’s only six animals per dlc, you end up missing out on tons of unique animals

[steep tulip]

like allo is already on the limit and thats like 2 tons

[late swallow]

Fuckers Like twice the size of a man

[digital pendant]

overall dimensions gigantoraptor is big

[late swallow]

Exactly

[plain knoll]

lrts not mention its name then

[waxen grail]

Albert isn’t megatheropod, right?

[left spear]

I was talking mega theropods, so like +6 tons, for large theropods yeah there's a lot of good options

Giganto ofc included

[buoyant vault]

alberto isnt a megatheropod yeah

[abstract compass]

no they aint.

[digital pendant]

and i never said mega theropods

[abstract compass]

some of them are.

majority aint

[left spear]

Which

[flint sable]

deinocheirus is a megatheropod

so thats cool

[late swallow]

I

Already said that buddy :3

[left spear]

Yeah i misread mb

[flint sable]

its also the largest theropod from asia

so thats also cool

[left spear]

Because tbh except Sucho i can't see any being truly similar to other animals

[late swallow]

You listed two Spinosaurids

[abstract compass]

Pelecanimimus. Troodontid. Suchomimus. Majungasaurus. Guanlong. Deinonychus. Yuty coz thats just another tyrannosaurid. Can even argue that Majunga isnt anything special either.

[steep tulip]

aint no way

[left spear]

Pelecani is much smaller to galli than Carch to giga, Troodontid? Huh?, sucho i can understand, rest are nonsense

[shell sonnet]

I don't agree with everything on Darth's list, but most of it is pretty good

[late swallow]

cough Tyrannosauroid*

[abstract compass]

Point im trying to tell you is that these animals all are unique. But thats because the devs make them unique and not just cherrypick the superficially unique ones necessarily.

[left spear]

Also i never said i was against clades per se

[abstract compass]

comparing giga to carch is irrelevant coz the devs can make them unique and interesting.

thats what started all of this lol

you arent getting it

[left spear]

Again that argument can be made for every animals, lets add 30 Ceratopsids since the devs can make them unique

[digital pendant]

why not

[abstract compass]

Sure?

if they add to game, are unique, and holds uniquity

there is nothing stopping the devs from filling that out lol Ceratopsians are the most diverse fuckers in history

[left spear]

The Game doesn't have infinite budget, would rather have It used on other animals

[flint sable]

I mean that would be roughly $360,000 to implement

so

thats a reason

possibly less because they could definitely share stuff

[waxen grail]

If they could add all the Dinosaurs in existence to the game that would be cool
Extremely unrealistic though

[shell sonnet]

I think the issue is that time spent on alts, is time not spent on other things; they might take less time but it would be nice to go for variety

[flint sable]

but it would still be super expensive

not to mention a buttload of time

[steep tulip]

I still dont get if 12000 is including rigs

[flint sable]

either way, thats still gonna be an absurd ammount of money

and time

[abstract compass]

its funny how irrelevant that argument is

ignoring the point

[flint sable]

if PK ever gets to the stage where money is a non issue and they have more developers to go quicker, than sure, why not

but at the current stage of the game? nah

[plain knoll]

well it would be achievable with alot of expansions in the future

[shell sonnet]

Again, we don't how well the game will sell at U19

[left spear]

Even if It sells amazingly there's not enough budget for all other animals + 30 Ceratopsids lol

And obviously i know it's an exxageration

[waxen grail]

(That would technically include all birds since I didn’t specify non avian Dinosaurs)

[digital pendant]

you are aware that was an exaggeration right

[ancient ibex]

TTBT, it is around Albertosaur size, and it surprises me how often it gets lumped with Deinocheirus and Therizinosaurus in terms of size

[plain knoll]

i assume you know we're speaking about non avian ones though

[waxen grail]

I do

[ancient ibex]

Not saying it isn't a large animal, or that it wouldn't be a great addition, but the detail bugs me a bit

It takes 3 Utahraptors to match Gigantoraptor, and it takes 3 Gigantoraptors to match Therizinosaurus

[plain knoll]

isnt gigantoraptor like trex size or deinocheirus size?

[shell sonnet]

That's assuming Therizino isn't some weird Deinocheirus situation

[ancient ibex]

You could say that about the 3 sculpts Gallimimus got, but I don't think it is a good way to go over

[ancient ibex]

Nope

[left spear]

It's that tall yes but much lighter

[plain knoll]

still a cool animal

[ancient ibex]

I mean, giraffes are taller than elephants

[left spear]

Yeah Giganto is one of my most wanted theropods

[ancient ibex]

It'd still likely be on the elephant ballpark

[late swallow]

3 utahraptor in a trenchcoat

[plain knoll]

at the end of the day, we will see full immersion of this game once fighting update gets added

[left spear]

I wonder how will they do calculations for the damage

[plain knoll]

i hope we will not be dissapointed

[late swallow]

How do we feel about Appalachiosaurus

[shell sonnet]

That's not the point I'm making, making a Giga an alt of Carchadontosaurus probably takes less time than saying making Theirizinosaurus from scratch and from a player choice perspective I'd rather have the Theirizino than the Giga even if it means less species overall

[ancient ibex]

I'd rather have the extra stuff

[shell sonnet]

(nothing against Giga, I want it in the long run)

[shell sonnet]

So quantity over diversity

[ancient ibex]

Alts are literally extra stuff we get

[buoyant vault]

giga being an alt is acceptable to me

[left spear]

If It can be an alt to Alberto/dasp ok, otherwise nah

[ancient ibex]

And I'm quite tired of forced nonexisting dilemmas

Both

[shell sonnet]

Dev time is not unlimited

[digital pendant]

why not both? giga would be fast to make, just sounds, model and skins which gives room for the animators to do theri animations

[abstract compass]

so every argument in this chat?

[late swallow]

It's not even a Tyrannosaurid

[digital pendant]

art stuff is done by different devs and can work on different things at the same time

[left spear]

Then idk, not a fan of it

[ancient ibex]

I personally would like alectrosaur-grade animals for non-Tyrannosaurid eutyrannosaurs

[late swallow]

I just think a somewhat-decently complete animal from Appalachia would be a cool add

[shell sonnet]

I also imagine that each stage takes a different amount of time; I don't what the make-up of Blue Meridian is but backlogs seem likely

[plain knoll]

yuturannus falls there though

[left spear]

I think they were refering to pantyranosaurs and such

Personally i wouldn't mind something like drypto as dlc

[digital pendant]

kinda can, it took a lot of time for the big baby update, but the fact its one baby for 3 skins usually it makes it streamlined

plus the babies have the same animations as the adults, besides one or 2 unique ones

[ancient ibex]

It doesn't

pantyrannosauria covers more stuff than eutyrannosauria

[shell sonnet]

Neither does Alectro; it's a pantyrannosaur not a eutyrannosaur

[waxen grail]

All three of those genera would not work as alts of eachother

[ancient ibex]

Ah true

Alectro shifts in and out of Eutyrannosauria depending on Drypto

[plain knoll]

well in that case i'm more interesting in more of another families, like more allosaurids, abelisaurids etc etc

[left spear]

I mean to either but yeah i just learned appalachio is not in Tyrannosauridae

[ancient ibex]

Quite often inside it as early diverging, but Drypto was found closer to Tyrannosaurids 2 months ago

[ancient ibex]

We are getting the enterity of Allosauridae by spring

[waxen grail]

Albert/Gorgo would be the only alts of eachother, Dasp is closer to T. rex

[left spear]

Is moros still just a leg?

[ancient ibex]

Yes

[left spear]

Eh idk then

[plain knoll]

and that case is closed there

[ancient ibex]

Nobody cares about Moros but Trevorrow's mind

[plain knoll]

abelisaurids and tyrannosaurids+ceratosaurus

[ancient ibex]

And Trevorrow didn't care about what Moros is but only about what he understood

[left spear]

I was mostly proposing It as a small non-proceratosaurid tyrannosauroid

[ancient ibex]

Eotyrannus, Stokesosaurs

Alectrosaurus

[left spear]

Isn't stokeo ultra fragmentary

[ancient ibex]

But Juratyrant isn't as fragmentary

Tanycolagreus isn't either

[left spear]

Well any of those then

[shell sonnet]

maybe, seems rather fragmentary

[ancient ibex]

That's Eotyrannus

[late swallow]

Where's ha-satan when you need him

[shell sonnet]

That's what I was referring to

[digital pendant]

for what?

[ancient ibex]

Eotyrannus has been subject to extensive work after all

[left spear]

Idk i entered wikipedia and Saw this is the holotype lol

[ancient ibex]

We have a better idea of what's up with its anatomy than about Giga's

[shell sonnet]

We've got more of Stokeosaurus

[ancient ibex]

The more complete one is Juratyrant after all

[late swallow]

Just an offhand joke about how much he brings up the fragmentary status of taxa

[ancient ibex]

But we do have more Stokeso stuff

[shell sonnet]

Dilong

[left spear]

Huh ok

[late swallow]

It's just Allosaurus anymore isn't it

[waxen grail]

Allosaurus at the moment is the only Allosaurid

Unless Saurophaganax is counted as an Allosaurid

[left spear]

I mean there's asfalto that's probably not allosaurus right

[waxen grail]

And the Allosaurid part isn’t another Allosaurus species

[left spear]

Nvm allosauroid not rid

Wait is It? Wikipedia being annoying again