Community Species Suggestions

[warm plank]

Yesss

[toxic oriole]

Even if its a Giant Caiman, its still part of Crocodilia, the ORDER at least

[abstract compass]

u want a extinct nile croc sized crocodile?

Kaprosuchus would fit that size range iirc.

[flint sable]

I give you Crocodylus thorbjarnarsoni and Voay

[bold sinew]

I think my main hopes for crocs is
A) Giant croc
B) Large land croc
C) Smaller normal-ish croc in current croc niche
D) Phytosaur
E) Champsosaurus specifically
F) Something gharial like
G) Something from Australia (Mekosuchus lineage)
H) Either an aquatic croc or another land croc but on the smaller side (think a Boverisuchus)

is this too many crocs for one game?

yes

Do i want this many crocs

yes

[abstract compass]

Croc kingdom.

[bold sinew]

I would happily buy a DLC that is all crocs

[flint sable]

I can try and fill these in

with possible options

[plush nacelle]

Borealosuchus with cenozoic and mesozoic alt would be dream pick for me

Solid basic croc

[flint sable]

although that also depends on what you mean by crocodile

[bold sinew]

I have my personal options but there's other valid options I'm curious what you'd pick

[flint sable]

like all of Notosuchia?

[flint sable]

or Psuedosuchia

or

[bold sinew]

Vibes

[flint sable]

ok then

[bold sinew]

Croc is a way of life

[abstract compass]

you missed one type.

[toxic oriole]

Crocodylomorphs n such?

[bold sinew]

Fruitachampsa ofc

[abstract compass]

remember the piscivorous types with the large flat heads?

[bold sinew]

True

[abstract compass]

should get one of them good boys too

[bold sinew]

I have one in my personal list

idk why I didn't put it into the list I just posted

[abstract compass]

south american smaller guy or african giant?

[flint sable]

A: Deinosuchus, Purrusaurus, Sarcosuchus (basically any one of these)
B: Barinasuchus
C: Voay
D:Smilosuchus
E: Champsosaurus
D: Borealosuchus
G: Mekosuchus (probably a mini, if you want something larger and from mainland Australia, probably Quinkana, although its terrestriality is debated)
H. Anatosuchus, Araripesuchus, theres a ton from both the Cenozoic and Mesozoic

[bold sinew]

One I have is from Morocco/Niger

[abstract compass]

probably the giant then.

the 11m dude

the name escapes me atm.

[flint sable]

Stomatosuchus?

[bold sinew]

Laganosuchus actually, 6 meter long

Idk why I have them over Stomatosuchus

Made that list a long time ago

[abstract compass]

Stomatosuchus yes

le big massive boye

[bold sinew]

My logic escapes me

[late swallow]

Who needs logic

[abstract compass]

nothing wrong with adding a smaller stomatosuchid.

they are in africa and south america

[flint sable]

the only problem I could think with them is werent they essentially entirely aquatic?

or at the very least moresoe than modern crocodiles

[late swallow]

Moist bois

[abstract compass]

not a problem in PK tbh.

you'll just have to make a nice and wet exhibit.

Moist

[flint sable]

I think the main problem with that would be that we dont have deep diving yet

[bold sinew]

Filling this checklist with my own personal list is
A) Deinosuchus, Purrusaurus, Sarcosuchus (any and all of these)
B) Barinasuchus
C) Kaprosuchus
D) Redondasaurus
E) Champsosaurus
F) Piscogavialis
G) Mekosuchus or Quinkana, Meko adds another mini which would be cool but Aussie deserves the rep
H) Laganosuchus and/or Boverisuchus

I would like Borealosuchus though as well but I worry maybe it's too normal of a croc

[flint sable]

im only seeing them from Africa

I think you may be confusing Mourasuchus as a Stomatosuchid

which convergently evolved in Miocene South America and looks quite similar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mourasuchus

[digital pendant]

Moura got serrated osteoderms btw

Pretty cool dude

[bold sinew]

I also like Lemmysuchus but I think it or any other Thalattosuchia would need to be in the aquatics section
But aquatic croc is a cool niche

[silver steeple]

Wtf

Why I am only now hearing this

[digital pendant]

I have mentioned it before

[ancient ibex]

Caimans have such recently gone diversity it is insane

[bold sinew]

It's interesting to me that the time we live in right now is one of the few times there isn't a croc that lives mostly on land
We pretty much only have the semi-aquatic crocs that can go on land decently well but live mostly around and in water

We don't have things like Barina or Bover

Probably a good thing for our sake lol

[ancient ibex]

Sebecids were likely their own thing separate from true crocs since the jurassic

Gone what, 4 million years ago?

[bold sinew]

A true loss

[digital pendant]

Yep roughly

[steep tulip]

Cuban crocodiles apparently were going that route but inbreeding with american crocs made them lose some adaptations with terrestrial locomotion

Also loss of populations diversity

[digital pendant]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/410980614091571200/876222618523541534/Screenshot_20210814-175538.png?ex=68b0d067&is=68af7ee7&hm=b1b25a0fd0299a8063c182d3026dc9124989a759ab320e236519669008cd4084&

[silver steeple]

Funky as hell

Is there art that shows this?

[ancient ibex]

Cuban crocs are also a quite recent split; the American Crocodylus radiation is quite recent

[flint sable]

they were definitley heading that direction though too

[flint sable]

definitely

but

I mean Mekosuchus was around untill 3000-2000 years ago

[digital pendant]

Nope

[flint sable]

so theres technically a chance Mekosuchus coexisted with The Roman Kingdom

depending on the estimate

[silver steeple]

Rip

[bold sinew]

Everything circles back to the romans

[flint sable]

and Mekosuchus likely spent most of its life on land

it wasnt particularly adapted for it per se

I imagine it probably had a somewhat similar niche to Monitor Lizards

apparently M. inexpectatus was probably durophagus based on its teeth too, mostly feeding on snails and such

[plush nacelle]

Wasnt mekosuchus like dwarf caimans/crocs? These are running around outside water pretty often

[flint sable]

probably in terms of build

but I imaigne they were probably even more terrestrial simply because of a lack of Freshwater in New Caledonia

[bold sinew]

If I had to cull this list down then I'd hope for at minimum
One of the big crocs
Barina
Kapro
Redonda
Champsosaurus

But I desire more

[flint sable]

since its an island in the middle of the pacfic, water sources would have been comparatively rare to say, The Amazon or Central Africa

especially because the remains for Mekosuchus have actually been found on the south side of the island

which is today signifigantly drier than the more subtropical and moist north

it was probably different back then

but not nessicarily

[left spear]

Okay but no meko is a crime

Otherwise good

Stomatosuchus would also be cool

[bold sinew]

Any aussie croc would be a boon

[left spear]

Erm it's actually New Caledonian/french ☝️ 🤓

[bold sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/andor-star-wars-k2so-ghorman-massacre-gif-12367733673486978176

I do not recognize the French

Also I don't specifically need these turtles, but I desire some turtles and other basic kinds of animals

Those really help flesh out zoos when you got some random turtles, birds, and such

[digital pendant]

Stupendemys would be an awesome turtle to have

[bold sinew]

That is a good shout out

[digital pendant]

And archelon as well

Solid turtle duo

[bold sinew]

Turtles feel like smth that could be easier than other kinds of animals to add a few of
But that's moreso from my selfish desire to have a few birds and turtles added to the game

Not based in reality

[ancient ibex]

Ah, the trifecta of Archelon, Stupendemys and Megalochelys; turtle, terrapin and tortoise

(and ofcourse near-turtle Meiolania)

[bold sinew]

Would be a based trio of turtles

[digital pendant]

Yeah those are the 4 i would love to see

[bold sinew]

I'd love if we somehow could get another basic mini turtle or two as well

In the same way I'd love to get more flying things in the same vein as Archeopteryx

I would love to just make prehistoric bird houses or herpetariums and all that kind of stuff

The idea of a prehistoric bird house is a really fun idea to think about
If we had more stuff to fill it with I'd be likely to do it

[hollow furnace]

A basilemys terrarium turtle would be neat

[digital pendant]

Alternatively

Henodus

[hollow furnace]

Yess

The hend

[bold sinew]

Both are good

Basileyms fits that good traditional looking turtle that could be thrown in to many themed areas as "the turtle"

Henodus be the weird guy

[ancient ibex]

Technically plesiosaurs and co are plenty of the time part of the turtle total group...

Pappochelys is also there stretching turtleness, as is Odontochelys

[steep tulip]

The world needs placodus

[steep tulip]

My beloved

[vernal maple]

Spicomellus would be AMAZING to see in game

[slim flare]

Would like to see skeletal reconstructions first

[toxic oriole]

Someone'll get to it in due time, I hope

[slim flare]

The complete skeletal

There’s vertebrae and skull stuff apparently

It’s hard to tell how speculative this is yet

It might be another Jakapil

[shell sonnet]

Proof that people will always gravitate to the new big shiny thing

[silver steeple]

Maybe if it was something lame

But that is the coolest shit ever

[slim flare]

It’s definitely really cool

Even if fragmentary

[faint oak]

It’s peak…

[steep carbon]

I thought Spicomellus had spines on its ribs? And was a jakipil type thing

[faint oak]

New material was described today

It’s that thing now

[faint oak]

O_O

I’m a clonemaxxer

More animals with less development?? Yes please!

I will continue to maintain this opinion

[steep carbon]

So the spiked curved thing wasnt a rib?

[faint oak]

Having a bunch of similar critters can be cool for theming

[faint oak]

Nope it’s a rib

They just found

More ribs

And spikes

And bones

This thing is just a Land Urchin

[ancient ibex]

Thyreophoran early evolution ought to have been wild

[bold sinew]

How many clones of Archeopteryx can we get is what i want to know

I want the prehistoric bird house

[smoky spear]

what

[faint oak]

Ma man!

12 trillion mini clones

[flint sable]

waiter waiter, every single enathiornithe ever please

[hollow furnace]

I mean, thinking of Archaeopteryx clones as stereotypical dino-birds and trying to stay in approximately the same size range, I think a pretty decent list of potential clones would be Anchiornis, Caihong, Jeholornis, Rahonavis, in theory Wulong, Graciliraptor, or Zhongjianosaurus would probably all work, Sinornithosaurus, Hesperonychus, and Changyuraptor are probably too large as clones, they'd probably need additional work

[slim flare]

Jeholornis…

[bold sinew]

Unironically I really want Jeholornis

Entirely purely because of nostalgia

[slim flare]

Anytime PK does an old species it’s a good day

[hollow furnace]

I genuinely want it beyond just that, he's a cool little dude

[bold sinew]

Pairs well with Microraptor and other asian fauna

[smoky spear]

Jiufotang Formation has tons of little dudes

would make a nice aviary

[abstract compass]

Late but ur absolutely right

[minor ivy]

Minmi, Megalania, Austrolovenator, Giganotosaurus, Baryonyx, Suchomimus, Utahraptor, Dromaeosaurus, Austroraptor

Pachycephalosaurus, Lokiceratops, Allosaurus, Ceratosaurus, Stegosaurus, Concavenator, Gigantoraptor, Therizinosaurus

Cryolophosaurus, Dreadnoughtus, Hypsilophodon, Troodon, Corythosaurus, Irritator, Herrerasaurus

Andrewsarchus, Megatherium, Thylacoleo, Hyaenodon, Procoptodon, Deinotherium, Sarcosuchus, Deinosuchus, Dire Wolf, Amargasaurus

Nothosaurus

Sorry for the big list lol

kinda got sidetracked and just started listing species that I think would be cool in the game

[left spear]

Troodon?

[minor ivy]

Think thats in there

But if it is in the game I hope its not just a copy of Coelophysis

Or a copy of Velociraptor

[left spear]

I was questioning more of why troodon

[minor ivy]

Oh

[left spear]

It's a valid pick but a weird one for sure

[minor ivy]

Ye

The fact I still have a few species I could add to that list lol

[silver steeple]

How is that a weird pick

[minor ivy]

I think the genus has been proven invalid

[silver steeple]

Troodon is a fucking mess

Schrodinger's taxa

But that doesn't make it a "weird pick"

The game already has Ugruunaluk, and plans to add Saurophagonax

[outer moth]

Pretty sure Troodon proper still exists

Just none of the other species are valid

[silver steeple]

Notably very dubious if not outright invalid taxa

[silver steeple]

That's kinda what the one paper suggested

[minor ivy]

k

[outer moth]

It’s a confusing animal taxinomically, but we can make it work

[minor ivy]

read the rest of the list that i wrote

[silver steeple]

We know what it looks like at least

[outer moth]

Troodon formosus/sp. with the Zanabazar alt genera

[minor ivy]

how many of the creatures i mentioned are confirmed??

[silver steeple]

Bary, Allo, Stego, and Utah

[outer moth]

Bary, Utah, Allo, Stego

[minor ivy]

only that?

damn thought there would be a bit more than 4

[outer moth]

EA has limited spots

[minor ivy]

thought more like 8 ish

[outer moth]

Though with full release, that’s a whole different question

[minor ivy]

k

[outer moth]

Since some of these are old roster members, they have a big chance of returning

Like Cerato

Megatherium’s speculated to be in U19

[silver steeple]

There's no evidence for it though

It's little more than a guess

[outer moth]

Pachycephalosaurus is speculated to be in U17 alongside allo n stego

[minor ivy]

i just really hope we get megalania, minmi, dire wolf, pachycephalosaurus, ceratosaurus, giganotosaurus, hypsilophodon, andrewsarchus and megatherium

[outer moth]

Hence why it’s “speculated”

[minor ivy]

as long as i get all of these i will be really happy

[silver steeple]

Speculation implies some kind of evidence

The only "evidence" of Megatherium is that U19 has several herbivores

[minor ivy]

wait whats all the speculation about all the updates

i gotta know the stuff going on lol

[plush nacelle]

Andrewsarchus is definitely least likely

[silver steeple]

Only spec with any decent evidence is Allo coming in U17

[minor ivy]

that would probably the least wanted from the shorter list i gave

[outer moth]

Pachy’s kind of a fruit eater n a missing spot in the roster
And it works for the combat update theme
So it’s one of those speculations that kinda makes sense
Megatherium’s saving grace is that it’s name was deciphered in the old roadmap

[silver steeple]

Cause that's the only update on the Trello with enough carnivore slots

[silver steeple]

Wdym "missing spot"

Also ftr, just going by being a frugivore and pachycephalosaur, it could be Prenocephale lol

[minor ivy]

just tell me all the speculation for each or most updates

i gots to know

[silver steeple]

As Preno was planned to be a frugivore back in the day lol

[minor ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/igotstoknow-barney-himym-gif-4981987

[silver steeple]

It does you no good to know

[minor ivy]

i gots to know the speculation

[silver steeple]

It's little more than the ramblings of people who know the same amount as you

[minor ivy]

unrelated but im probably the last person still watching himym in 2025 (anyways go on with what were talking about)

[minor ivy]

oh breh

[outer moth]

Since Preno got reshuffled, we’ve been in dire need of a pachycephalosaur

[mint creek]

we don't know the answers so the speculation is every animal that's existed

[minor ivy]

yes we need a pachycephalosaur in the game

[minor ivy]

lol

[outer moth]

Especially with some individuals here
However I do like hopping into this chat from time to time since there are also phylogenetic debates that happen here from time to time

And ofcs

I like speculating occasionally

[minor ivy]

read dis

and the next few messages of creatures

[mint creek]

Maip, Dimetrodon, Megatherium and a Chalicothere are my most wanted.

[minor ivy]

those are good

[plush nacelle]

For me it was always like this:

Readable: megatherium, utahraptor, pachycephalosaurus, oviraptor, simosuchus, compsognathus, mononykus

Kinda: doedicurus, carnotaurus, ambulocetus, deinosuchus

[outer moth]

Readable?

[mint creek]

think he's refering to the blurred roadmap

[plush nacelle]

Random shot: kelenken, edmontonia, diictodon and whatever remaining mini was

[minor ivy]

Terror Birds need to be in the game

[plush nacelle]

Megatherium, doedi and ambulo also fit the bill of 3 unusual mammals, one of which being semi-aquatic

[low bridge]

I need Stegotetrabelodon, Ancylotherium, Megantereon, Deinotherium, Sivatherium, Syncerus Antiqqus, Rusingoryx, Metridiochoerus, Dinofelis in Prehistoric Kingdom

[warm plank]

Real

[smoky spear]

No

[steep carbon]

My big five are Eohippus, therizinosaurus, Thylacoleo, Arthroplura, and Lisowicia

If they get in im satisfied, no more needed

[steep carbon]

I mean their not needed, but you know what i mean

[inner wedge]

u16: yi, compsognathus, tiktalik, simosuchus, two other small dinosaurs (candidates are mononykus, sinosauropteryx, aquilops, halskzaraptor), thrinaxodon, coelurosauravus, castorocauda

u17: allosaurus+saurophaganax, stegosaurus, pachycephalosaurus+stigymoloch

u18: ambulocetus, deinosuchus, baryonyx

u19: megatherium+other ground sloth species, doedicurus, kelenken, edmontonia, carnotaurus, utahraptor plus at least one unknown herbivore and two insectivores (potential minis)

[shell sonnet]

The insectivore for U16 is reported to be a dino by patreon supporters, meaning coelurosuravus is out

[inner wedge]

post EA: ceratosaurus, diplodocus, albertosaurus, suchomimus, yutyrannus, struthiomimus, gigantoraptor, austroraptor, bos/bison, placerias+lisowica, paleoloxodon namadicus+falconeri, chalicotherium, deinotherium, mastodon, daeodon, postosuchus, columbian mammoth, short faced bear and more i probably forgot

coming from different sources

[smoky spear]

uh im not sure you are supposed to share this

[inner wedge]

suminia gang rise up

[steep carbon]

Shubi doobi doo

[inner wedge]

it was already leaked

[shell sonnet]

it's been shared elsewhere on the regular pk-discussion

[smoky spear]

that said pretty much everyone expects it to be mononykus anyway

what

[steep tulip]

Well
Mau did say we got all of the minis wrong
And we know mau would never lie

[inner wedge]

plus future holocene dlc, most of these post ea are not hard confirmed at all but the EA roster seems accurate so far

[smoky spear]

mau lied all the time

hell we knew yi was coming and he said its a placeholder name

[shell sonnet]

Diictodon was assumed to be one of the minis

[steep tulip]

Yi wasn't always coming

[inner wedge]

tell me lies MAu, tell me sweet little lies

[steep tulip]

Like its 2 letters

Even with the blur you could tell

[inner wedge]

also peltephilus, maybe tehy got moved to 1.0

[steep carbon]

Shuvuuia

[smoky spear]

it had nigel voice lines in the game

[steep tulip]

Peltephilus was probably wrong

[smoky spear]

people found it when messing with the game files

[steep tulip]

Really

When

[smoky spear]

i think devs have patched them out

[inner wedge]

pk datamining finally

[steep tulip]

Tho I've very confident the other one was diictodon

And also the permian animal mau told us about

[inner wedge]

so that means mononykus could still be full exhibit

[smoky spear]

modders did that all the times

they even found out about some animals that dev hadnt officially revealed

[late swallow]

Or just not coming at all

[inner wedge]

source?

[shell sonnet]

At the end of the day, the only animals we can say with 100 % certainity are coming that aren't listed on Trello are Allo, Steg, Bary, Carnotaurus, and Utah

[steep tulip]

Carno isn't 100% either

[inner wedge]

i think its still happening cause there's no other climbing reptile outside of drepanosaurus

[shell sonnet]

And with Allo and Bary, we know they're coming in U17 and U18, respectively, missing any changes

[steep tulip]

Drepano is an insectivore

[inner wedge]

it's a very safe bet tho

[inner wedge]

ah right

[shell sonnet]

Again, I'm basing it off this comment from Mau and his use of the word "will" instead of would.

[steep tulip]

Suminia is my best bet rn

[waxen grail]

Udanoceratops would also be a good choice

[smoky spear]

i mean mau said we will get herrerasaurus

and i doubt it will be in ea

[inner wedge]

thank coty

[steep tulip]

Not even a reptile

[inner wedge]

i love that monkey mistake of nature

[steep tulip]

But like
What arboreal lizard ain't an insectivore

Or lizard like reptile

[inner wedge]

iguanas?

snakes too

[late swallow]

Iguanas eat bugs

Maybe not primarily

[inner wedge]

🤓

[steep tulip]

Iguanas are primarily herbivores

True iguanas at least

[shell sonnet]

I'm not a Udano fan personally, it's fragmentary and Djadochta already has a non-ceratopsid ceratopsian in the form of Proto; there's better alts out there in my mind for Lepto

[steep tulip]

So I would imagine they would put them as herbivores

[inner wedge]

anyways hope we get grandpa render this week

[steep tulip]

Snakes are lizards but like
Why don't just say snake

There's so many

[shell sonnet]

snake is easier to narrow down; they could have used squamata instead with the hint.

Lizard makes us think on lizardlike non-squamatas

[inner wedge]

tbf only prehistoric snake most people know is titanoboa

[modern totem]

Agree

[late swallow]

Devs are on vacay

[inner wedge]

who said that

[shell sonnet]

Madtsoia, Dinilysia

[steep tulip]

With terrariums they are more willingly to experiment with more obscure critters imo

[late swallow]

The developers?

[inner wedge]

where

give me a source

[late swallow]

#pk-discussion message

[steep tulip]

Ngl
The fact that the post ea plan had no terror bird, no abelisaur, no megatherium, no giant armadillo in it was quite telling lol

[shell sonnet]

Never mind, I think I got what you mean.

[steep tulip]

Yeah
They also talked about wanting to add terror birds in the main chat, so omitting them and putting gastornis instead is strange

If we didn't have the blurry ea map that is

[shell sonnet]

Diatyrma isn't a terror bird, but it does cover a very similar niche of large flightless post-mesozoic therapod (I know the diet is different)

[feral cedar]

Diatryma being found to be a distinct genus was definitely a surprise

[outer moth]

You forgot that Stego has a mystery alt

[late swallow]

Maybe

[amber field]

I think if they scale baby ovi and give it a longer neck would work nicely as gigantoraptor . L sohewn in image, the whole foliage is in normal size

[smoky spear]

they are from different families

they would look that similar

[amber field]

yeah lol

They wouldn't look similar ?

[steep carbon]

Fuck stigymoloch, bring Stegoceras instead u-u

[smoky spear]

homalocephale

[steep tulip]

Well stygi gonna be an alt for a reason lol

Stego is goat tho idc

[steep carbon]

That what i mean, use stegoceras as the alt instead

[waxen grail]

Iirc Stygimoloch might be the juvenile form of a second Pachycephalosaurus species

Is there any postcranial material for Stegoceras?

[steep carbon]

At the very least to avoid all the controversy

[waxen grail]

Ugrunaaluk is an alt in game

[silver steeple]

Too different

[steep tulip]

^

[waxen grail]

That’s what I was going to say

[steep tulip]

Stegoceras I believe is known from multiple specimens and is decently known

[waxen grail]

Yes there is

[ancient ibex]

There is no controversy; spinifer is known from subadults animals, but found in younger layers than wyomingensis; it is like Triceratops horridus and prorsus, if prorsus was only known from subadults; we know how Pachycephalosaurins grew

[desert flame]

It would be nice to have a few Mesozoic mammals in my terrarium: Volaticotherium, Castrocauda, ​​Repenomamus.

It's been said that Castrocauda may appear in Update 16, but we don't know for sure.

[shell sonnet]

they're not exactly that close

[shell sonnet]

plenty

[waxen grail]

Stegoceras would definitely be a good addition to the game

[shell sonnet]

and that's just one specimen

I think the genera is the most complete pachy

[shell sonnet]

It would, though down the line

[amber field]

I think if they made hands smaller proportionally and longer hands would fit, either ways the devs will do great if they considered the animal

[smoky spear]

wtf

[shell sonnet]

Stegoceras validum/Stegoceras novomexicanum
Prenocephale prenes
Pachycephalosaurus wyomingensis/Pachycephalosaurus spinifer
pretty much covers the needs of the Pachy group

[desert flame]

We need a diversity of pachycephalosaurs, especially the smaller species.
which are easier to display in terrariums.

[ancient ibex]

People will think every single ceratopsid and hadrosaurid is highly distinct, but then treat clades they aren't familiar with as "all the same"

[shell sonnet]

What did I do?

[amber field]

I changed the size limits

[steep tulip]

I believe it's often recovered as the most basal pachy?

[smoky spear]

where can you do that

[steep tulip]

Definitely more basal than preno and pachycephalosaurus

[smoky spear]

i want tiny and giant animals

[steep tulip]

But yeah it's pretty great imo

[ancient ibex]

Stegoceras is basal to Preno+Pachy

But at the end of the day, humans are basal to chimps

[desert flame]

yes
More need terrarium animals.

[ancient ibex]

Stegoceras is very cool in that we have great idea of how the dome grew

[waxen grail]

I prefer exhibit animals since they roam freely, but terrarium animals are still nice since the actual terrarium part can be removed so it looks like they’re free roaming

Great way of including small animals

Are there any Pterosaurs that would be small enough to be terrarium animals?

[shell sonnet]

Dimorphodon

Pterodactylus

Jeholopterus

[ancient ibex]

Eudimorphodon

[steep tulip]

Scaphognathus too

[shell sonnet]

Maybe Pterorhynchus

[ancient ibex]

Pterodaustro perhaps?

[steep tulip]

But no one cares about it I fear lol

[waxen grail]

Sordes?

[desert flame]

Terrariums are a great way to expand the range of animals that would be difficult to display in a regular exhibit, such as Tiktaalik and Yi.

[shell sonnet]

Sordes is too big

[silver steeple]

Would that one pterosaur from the first ep of WWD be small enough?

I assume so

[ancient ibex]

NOPE

[silver steeple]

Peteinosaurus or something

[ancient ibex]

We really should stop defaulting to nothingburgers that were featured in documentaries

[steep tulip]

Nycto could work but idk

[waxen grail]

Pretty sure that would be too big

[silver steeple]

I was curious

[ancient ibex]

Nycto is at least Rhampho sized

[silver steeple]

Not pining for it or anything

[steep tulip]

Probably stayed in the air quite a bit

[ancient ibex]

Sorry

[shell sonnet]

Actually, I'm probably wrong here

[desert flame]

Anurognathus

[shell sonnet]

Agreed

[late swallow]

Also Jeholopterus

[shell sonnet]

Jeholopterus would be better because it is larger and therefore more visible

[ancient ibex]

I'm just weary of Peteinosaurus being brought up, it is a HEADLESS Triassic pterosaur that may either be a Dimorphodontid or an Eudimorphodontian

[silver steeple]

Amusing that those are two different groups

Saurolophus vs parasaurolophus moment

[waxen grail]

Isn’t Argentinosaurus headless? Or have we discovered a skull?

[shell sonnet]

We don't have the skull

we barely have any skulls of titanosaurs

maybe 3-5

[steep tulip]

I believe the headless peteino probably isn't peteino?

[silver steeple]

It is headless but it's easier to guess the head shape there

[ancient ibex]

Eudimorphodon is a beauty for a basic af pterosaur

[steep tulip]

Pretty sure the holotype is just a bunch of bones

[shell sonnet]

aren't all of them

[steep tulip]

Well yeah lol
But like scrappy bunch of few bones

The headless one is known from decent remains at least

[silver steeple]

Only reason for Peteinosaurus is because it showed up in WWD (anachronistically at that)

It's not from Chinle or anything so you can't argue for it to show up for that reason either lol

[steep tulip]

Same formation as drepano
So is eudimorphodon

Great formation for minis

[ancient ibex]

Plateosaurus went to Chinle in WWD after all

[silver steeple]

Yup

[shell sonnet]

One could say the same about Anurognathus for the second episode, which isn't found in Morrison

and also wouldn't be known without WWD

[silver steeple]

WWD anachronistic tendency is crazy

[silver steeple]

Nah

[ancient ibex]

Anurognathus is a Solnhofen animal fwiw

[silver steeple]

Especially with how many have been pulled out of China in the meantime

The WWD one was also weird and ugly lol

Not a good reference of how the actual animal looked

[ancient ibex]

WWD was weirdly conservative in some thins

things*

[silver steeple]

Given how common they seem to have been tho, I'd be shocked if they didn't exist in the Morrison

[shell sonnet]

Anurognathus isn't from China

[ancient ibex]

It was good for sauropod nesting habits, but oh boy, a decade of horizontal necked diplodocoids that some millennials STILL refuse to move on from

[silver steeple]

I know that, I'm talking about anurognathids as a whole

[shell sonnet]

Yes, but Anurognathus is the one that gets the most commented on because WWD

[ancient ibex]

I mean, seeing how Lourinha shares megafauna with the Morrison, I really wouldn't be surprised if that entire Laurasian area was quite homogeneous in terms of diversity

[silver steeple]

Nah it gets most mentioned because it's the namesake of the group lmao

[silver steeple]

Yeah

[neat iris]

Terrarium wishlist

• Beelzebufo
• Anurognathus
• Trilobites
• Ammonites
• Anomalocaris
• Mononykus
• Leptictidium
• Cronopio
• Longisquama
• Thrinaxodon
• Arthropleura
• Meganeura
• Pulmonoscorpius

[smoky spear]

Anurognathus not being in the game before ea would be weird

we have 2 props for it already

[steep tulip]

Maybe its one of the insectivores in u19

[desert flame]

I'm hoping for Thrinaxodon to appear in Update 16, and Beelzebufo is a must-have for any amphibious terrarium.

[median relic]

so like.. anyone else want spicomellus now?

[feral cedar]

I want to propose something

Mononykus is used as the new smallest full exhibit animal

In its place terrariums get Shuvuuia

[shell sonnet]

Diplocaulus, Platyhystrix would better amphibian choices than the "big" frog

I swear the only reason people care about it because of the nickname

(also eating dinos)

[feral cedar]

Beelzebufo isn’t even that big, now it’s just comparable to the largest extant frogs

[smoky spear]

yeah

[shell sonnet]

It's up there, but yeah, the Goliath frog is still bigger, and it's roughly the size of the African Bullfrog

[steep tulip]

I mean it is just a frog but like

How many frogs are there that could be added

Its a cool frog

[shell sonnet]

Hmmm.. Boomerang head or frog. I'll go with the former

[feral cedar]

I do think Beelzebufo should be in the game, just not before other amphibians

[digital pendant]

a shame this absolute unit doesnt have a name

its from the eocene

[steep tulip]

Its also only a bone fragment, not sure how much I would trust the estimates

[digital pendant]

there are more complete remains but not published

i remember watching a video about it

[steep tulip]

Oh awesome

[feral cedar]

Diplocaulus, Platyhystrix, Eryops, Crassigyrinus, etc

Though I don’t think Eryops is terrarium material

[low bridge]

Best Grassland Mammals that MUST BE IN GAME without them grassland won't be UNIQUE

[steep tulip]

If it gets properly described I would be down for it

[digital pendant]

even then the fragment is huge next to other frog bones so regardless of shape we know it was huge

[feral cedar]

Alternatively

They record a script with Nigel where they never mention its name

And add it

[lost bronze]

Didn't realize this channel existed

[feral cedar]

And when it finally gets described just patch the game to show the new name

[shell sonnet]

Eryops is tough in my mind because it's big enough for habitat but I don't know how I would do the young

[steep tulip]

Same but like they ain't competing that much for a spot
I feel like if they add more terrariums after ea, both of those will be among the first to be added

[low bridge]

Wetland reptiles pack: Purrusaurus, Mourasuchus, Gryphosuchus, Stupendemys

[steep tulip]

Skip the larval stage

[shell sonnet]

In a sense they are, dev time is always a game of survival of the fittest most liked by devs

[steep tulip]

Their larvae were already more developed than frogs or salamanders

So they probably got out of the water pretty quickly

[digital pendant]

amphibians could have pond module that works as their nest, and then babies come out already formed

thats it

[ancient ibex]

Remember that amphibians get past what is functionally a freeliving embryo way before sexual and skeletal maturity

[digital pendant]

no need to over complicate it

[shell sonnet]

yeah, that would work as a replacement the nest and incubation

[ancient ibex]

NGL, water compatible modules would rock

Water birthing, water feeding

Water sleeping

[shell sonnet]

And if works for Eryops, you could use it for plenty of others: Mastodonsaurus, Cyclotosaurus, Siderops

[desert flame]

paleo frog is small.

I can't belive today's frogs are bigger.

[shell sonnet]

It's big, just that there are bigger extant frogs

[steep tulip]

Honestly surprised we aren't getting diplocaulus in ea

[tough marsh]

Eryosuchus

[steep tulip]

Unless its one of the u19 insectivores
But I feel like piscivore fits it better

[short rover]

Fr would be a perfect mini

[desert flame]

It's strange that a game based on paleo animals doesn't feature animals from the famous Permian period.

[short rover]

However it’s simply a “bigger modern animal” much like the cave bear so it should be cancelled for normal kingdom disease

[short rover]

Doesn’t feature animals from the famous Permian period so far**

[lean hound]

^ It's still in early access

[desert flame]

true

[tough marsh]

most permian animals are pretty badly represented in media

[lean hound]

It's even confirmed that dimetrodon will come after ea

[steep tulip]

It makes sense they would rather focus on the 2 other better known periods

We might still get one

[shell sonnet]

Hmmmm... might work as alt for Cytolo or Mastodonosaurus

[short rover]

More Paleozoic stuff in general would be neat even if it’s probably my least favorite era

[steep tulip]

Tho its starting to seem a bit unlikely

[shell sonnet]

there's only 3

[short rover]

3 what

[shell sonnet]

eras

[short rover]

Yes…

I know

[hollow flower]

Paleozoic is my speciality

[low bridge]

Do you guys think that Homotherium will work as Big Cat that lived Alongside Smilodon Fatalis and Panthera Atrox??

[steep tulip]

I mean why it wouldn't

Pretty sure it's the most requested feline

[tough marsh]

permian is my period i spend too much time on

[steep tulip]

Permian is cool but a lot of the cool stuff is condensed in the same 3/4 formations
So overall you don't have as much choice as with mesozoic (which is mostly cretaceous anyway) and cenozoic

[tough marsh]

not really

[hollow flower]

Alot of the cool stuff is very obscure I must say

[plush nacelle]

For what game is going to get its simply sokoliki, karoo and whatever lived with dimetrodon

[hollow flower]

That being said on land theres like 3 main formations

[tough marsh]

mostly because permian uses assemblages in south africa and Russia

[hollow flower]

The red beds of texas, The karoo and whatever place Ino and scuto are from

But yeah

[steep tulip]

I mean it is
Early permian north america, late permian south africa and russia
And another one I forgot

Also middle permian south africa

[tough marsh]

rio de rasto, Northern africa, Germany

[plush nacelle]

Anything famous from germany?

Just curious

[tough marsh]

yes

[steep tulip]

Dimetrodon?

I believe

[plush nacelle]

Wow

[shell sonnet]

US only

[steep tulip]

One of the smaller species at least

[neat iris]

God I wish

[tough marsh]

correct

[neat iris]

But compy is gonna be terrarium, so mono probably will be too

[shell sonnet]

never mind, there's one species

[plush nacelle]

From north africa then

[shell sonnet]

but I wouldn't go for that species of Dimetrodon given the choice

[tough marsh]

Bunostegus, diplocaulus, Moradisaurus saharastegas

Nigerpeton

[steep tulip]

I mean they ain't bad
But not really all that well known, like Im pretty sure they all got more famous close relatives
Rio de rasto has some famous aquatic guys from what I'm seeing

Tho orthacanthus is the more famous one I think

Well famous is a stretch lol
But not totally obscure

[shell sonnet]

I mean I wouldn't exactly call any terrestrial permian animal well known per say besides Dimetrodon; I don't even mean the general public (which probably confuses it with Spino a good 33% of the time), I mean amongst you're average "paleonerd" given their focus on the Mesozoic and Cenozoic

[tough marsh]

yeah

i dont expect most people to know about most permian animals

like i expect dimetrodon and lystro

oh and "Gorgonopsid"

[steep tulip]

Diplocaulus is weirdly famous in japan

[shell sonnet]

I still stick with this listing for now; it maybe not be locality diverse (it's centered around the big 3) but I think it gives a good diverse group biologically

Dimetrodon grandis/limbatus/angelensis
Moschops capensis/Ulemosaurus svijagensis
Cotylorhynchus romeri/hancocki
Ophiacodon mirus
Anteosaurus magnificus /Titanophoneus potens
Inostrancevia alexandri/latifrons
Edaphosaurus cruciger/pogonias/boanerges/novomexicanus
Scutosaurus karpinskii/Pareiasaurus serridens
Eryops megacephalus
Estemmenosuchus uralensis/mirabilis

Mini
Meganeura monyi or. Meganeuropsis permiana
Platyhystrix rugosus
Arthropleura armata
Diplocaulus magnicornis
Procynosuchus delaharpeae

[hollow flower]

Really?

[steep tulip]

Yes

[tough marsh]

suggestion

[steep tulip]

A decent amount of merchandise and appearances in japanese media

[tough marsh]

litterally any other pareisaur other then pareiasaurus

[shell sonnet]

Any reason

[tough marsh]

irrc its a mess

[hollow flower]

Id personally take Tapinocephalus over Ulemosaurus

[ancient ibex]

Scutosaurus is the most commonly used member of the group I believe; best understood perhaps?

[tough marsh]

pretty much

[tough marsh]

why if i may ask

sorry dinocephalians are very intresting

[shell sonnet]

Think I choose Ulemo for location diversity over Tapino

Tapino is still from South Africa like Moschops

[hollow flower]

Bigger dome at the end of the head

Ah right

[shell sonnet]

Ulemo is from Russia

[hollow flower]

Fair enough then

[tough marsh]

deuterosaurus is from russia and its an omnivore

[hollow flower]

Off topic but I am very dissapointed with the state of russia because if they werent doing you know what, I could go over there and study the permian animals that lived there considering im right next to it

Back to the topic of permian animals though

Secodontosaurus

What a funky little critter isnt it

[steep tulip]

It is pretty cool

[steep tulip]

My goat suminia has to make it in

[hollow flower]

It, Dimetrodon, Ophiacodon and Edaphosaurus are the 4 sailed permian lads I want in the most

Wait no

Ophiacodon doesnt have a sail

4 early permian synapsids

[shell sonnet]

Interesting. I personally limited my list to just 10 main Paleozoic landlubbers (more based on a DLC idea), but I'll keep it the back pocket

[hollow flower]

There you go

[shell sonnet]

Ophiacodon is carboniferous

[ancient ibex]

And permian

[shell sonnet]

As are certain species of Edphaosaurus

[steep tulip]

Same as edapho

Yeah

[hollow flower]

Lots of things managed to go into the permian willy nilly without an extinction

[tough marsh]

np i love the permian

when its not trying to make semi aquatic gorgonopsians

[hollow flower]

Which I find very surprising due to the inherent deforestation that happened with the transition of the 2 periods

[warm plank]

id be fine with any species , i love dinosaurs and other prehisotric fauna

[ancient ibex]

And the stuff assigned to it from the Carboniferous is AFAIK the least solidly supported

[hollow flower]

I also love the permian

[ancient ibex]

In any case, the main "pelicosaur" branches would have split from each other in the carboniferous anyway

[hollow flower]

Havent gotten to work with it at all due to the lack of it here but its probably my favourite time period alongside the Triassic

[sharp dock]

when are we getting baryonyx and carnotaurus btw

[steep tulip]

Probably u18 and u19

[ancient ibex]

18 and 19

[hollow flower]

Ones in u18 I think?

[sharp dock]

I think they are the biggest carnivore misses after allo

[steep tulip]

Respectively

[hollow flower]

Im sorry its in u19?

Carno that is

[ancient ibex]

Most likely

[tough marsh]

oh btw heads up estemmenosuchus is small

[steep tulip]

We suspect so yeah

[sharp dock]

epik

and where kelenken 🙂

🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂

[shell sonnet]

Ophiacodon mirus is the type specimen and Carboniferous

[steep tulip]

Might be U19 as well

No confirmations so far tho

[sharp dock]

spicomellus for pk

[hollow flower]

Spicomellus is really interesting I gotta say

I think Grimnir brought it up first before the "Redesign"

[shell sonnet]

which one, wiki says the genera could reach 3m in length

[hollow flower]

And back then I thought yknow its pretty cool but its just a rib so cant really add it

But now its a different story all together

Still would prefer Edmontonia or especially Sauropelta over it though

[tough marsh]

the more famous one

dont trust wikipedia for permian sizes

[steep tulip]

Mirabilis is well known I think
The other one is portrayed as bigger but its known from scrappy remains?

[tough marsh]

no

[steep tulip]

Oh

[ancient ibex]

All I'm finding is that every rock formation with Ophiacodon fossils is dated to the lower permian except the Joggins formation, where Ophiacodon remains aren't surefire, but I'm just starting to look

[tough marsh]

Mirabilis is famous and known from a single skull
Uralensis is known from over 50 specimins

[steep tulip]

Oh mb lol

[tough marsh]

mirabilis size is also different

aka the size bar is different to the paper scale

[shell sonnet]

Ada Formation

[steep tulip]

Is there any exhibit tier carboniferous tetrapod worth adding

Other than then ones shared with the permian

[tough marsh]

oh fun fact nearly of that material is figure in a paper

[shell sonnet]

Ophiacodon mirus

oh tetrapod

[shell sonnet]

Isn't Uralensis bigger?

[tough marsh]

yes

[shell sonnet]

What are its estimates

[tough marsh]

very rough size estemate i did last week

[steep tulip]

Wym
Like the only evidence of that material is one pic in a single paper?

[hollow flower]

Oh lord

[shell sonnet]

I think Uralensis would still work as an exhibit animal

[hollow flower]

I must say this really does prove that when looking at prehistoric wildlife sizes you just need to divide them by 2

[steep tulip]

I mean its bigger than velo

So def

[tough marsh]

its this

[steep tulip]

Damn lol

[tough marsh]

theres diffentaly more material

but yeah Mirabilis would be a facinating species to get

[ancient ibex]

Latest Carboniferous

And it has fauna from the early permian

Yeah it is basically something technically carboniferous, but the biota is permian one, and the carbonifero-permian split is not precisely defined afaik

It is sort of like "Spinosaurus and Giganotosaurus are late cretaceous, like Tyrannosaurus"

Technically true, but we do need a mid cretaceous, and there is a BIG Turonian faunal turnover

[steep tulip]

I don't get why triassic and jurassic got one but not cretaceous which is the longest period

[late swallow]

Yeah it's weird

[shell sonnet]

probably has to do with geology

[low bridge]

What about some cat like Dinofelis or Megantereon??

[shell sonnet]

Very well then. I'm not an expert; I'm just relying on things stated to me on wiki and Paleodb. Which aren't always accurate.

[late swallow]

Tooth

[shell sonnet]

Tooth is all you need for a mammal

[late swallow]

We thought it was a bear that's just funny to me

[ancient ibex]

It is mostly based on marine invertebrate diversity

But for example, the lower triassic is JUST the effects from the great dying; most of the triassic is upper

[steep tulip]

They are alright, but I think smilo and homotherium are enough rep for machairodonts

[steep tulip]

Ah I see
I thought it was mostly based on amount of changes in the biota overall, and not just marine invertebrates ngl

[shell sonnet]

Marine life preserves better

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, ttbt, marine inverts are for all intents and purposes "overall paleobiota"

[neat iris]

I could be wrong, but I think dimetrodon has already been speculated for the game

And I completely forgot about diplocaulus

I definitely would have put it on my list

[left spear]

Dimetro is soft confirmed by Mau as being one of the first after EA animals iirc correctly

But its an old statement so It doesn't have that much value

But again, lets be realistic, it's dimetrodon.

[sage gull]

Spicomellus

[toxic oriole]

CAVE WOLF?!?!?!??!

Eh, its a Gray Wolf subspecies anyway, extinct one for that matter

Another Extant family rep with a few Extinct subspecies

Good grief thats alot of Cave animals

Cave Bear, Cave Lion, Cave Hyena, Cave Wolf... Whats next?

ignoring the obvious Cave Man stuff, that wont be added anyways

[low bridge]

Cave GOAT

[toxic oriole]

The fact that actually exists AND MYOTRAGUS IS SAID TO BE THE CAVE GOAT

[low bridge]

What about Stegotetrabelodon a Mumakil????? Weirdo elephanto

Hello

[neat iris]

I could maybe see them adding cave hyenas

[feral cedar]

I mean PK already has cave bear, cave lion, cave rhino, cave elephant, and cave deer

[low bridge]

It has no Cave Guest

[toxic oriole]

Cave Wolf though

Eh, represents the Gray Wolf, would be a similar case with the Cave Lion

Extant Gray Wolf
Extant Lion

Not to mention the American Lion anyways

... It'd be funny to see Direwolves and Cave Wolves or any extinct Gray Wolf relative interact

yeah i know direwolves are their own thing

[neat iris]

I’d rather have dire wolf

[toxic oriole]

Well some people are gonna be wanting some Canis representation in this game someday tbf

... And to be fair, if Direwolf DOES get added someday, its only fair we get extinct Canis lupus members, like the Cave Wolf and others

or even some other Canis members from North America

I don't believe in Direwolves being Alt Species for extinct Canis members of North America

and yet, it'd work ironically given how pop culture sees them nowadays.

[hollow furnace]

why would that only be fair lol

[toxic oriole]

Why not? They were in the same time period yet in different spots but have bumped into one another at times.....

[hollow furnace]

I don't see why that means we would need to add it if we add dire wolves

[silver steeple]

Dire wolf hasn't been part of Canis for nearly 5 years now

[toxic oriole]

Yeah and in some ironic cases it'd KINDA be a alt species for those wolves
But then again...

At the same time, it wouldnt

[silver steeple]

It just wouldn't

Period lol

[toxic oriole]

Okay fine, I'm just someone who's looking for excuses to get other animals

And it seems like Cave Wolves or any other North American Canis member (Extinct ones) would've been one excuse

[silver steeple]

There's like 10 other better picks for caniforms outside of Canis lol

[toxic oriole]

Jeez, why must you people be this way??? :(

[silver steeple]

I just don't see the point in having what are practically modern wolves when we could have so much else

[toxic oriole]

:(

[digital pendant]

Dire wolves has nice skin potential for different populations of the same animal

Patagonian ones were much smaller and nimble for example

East coast ones were big

[hollow furnace]

honestly I'd rather those just be skins like mammoth then actually treated as proper alts

[silver steeple]

Well I think that's what AD is saying

They'd be "psuedo-alts"

[toxic oriole]

You very much could say the same thing about the Cave Bear and others

Not that it matters though

Theys in the game already

[digital pendant]

Cave bears where their own species thats extinct

Same for cave lions btw

[silver steeple]

There is at least that

[slim flare]

It’s a bit more complicated tbh

[digital pendant]

I know but this isnt science chat

[toxic oriole]

Still would like to see a Cave Wolf
I don't give a damn if "ITS JUST A MODERN ANIMAL BRO WHATS THE POINT!?!??!?!" that is used

[slim flare]

Cave bears have their own species complex, and American lions are probably better treated as a subspecies of steppe lions.

[toxic oriole]

If not a Cave Wolf, then perhaps something similar to it thats still part of Canis

[digital pendant]

Hmm curious can I pin stuff on a thread?

Oh shit I can good

[silver steeple]

Yeah you should be able to

[toxic oriole]

No pins so far, ya might as well make it count :D

[slim flare]

I just don’t think there’s a good species

[silver steeple]

Is that pleistocene coyote thing a separate sp?

[digital pendant]

While arguments and discussions are fine and have their place, being annoying about someone's suggestion is very much not needed for what is essentially a species dump channel. If you are actively bothering other people for their suggestions, please reconsider and take a break from this chat. This channel is for developers to gauge interest, doesnt mean that anything said here will become part of the game.

[slim flare]

Its probably a red wolf tbh, which highly complicates things

[silver steeple]

Ah

Phenomenal

[digital pendant]

There

Tl;dr if you are annoying for no reason go play a game or smth

Or get muted

[slim flare]

Like if there’s a cool species in an extant genus, that’s fine, but not every extant genus needs species representation

[toxic oriole]

It'd be nice though.

[silver steeple]

Yeah I just dunno what extinct Canis sp would make much sense

[low bridge]

What about Cave Hyenas???

[slim flare]

I rather just dire wolf and then move on

[digital pendant]

Alright so that message is pinned. In the future if someone gets annoying (legitimately) please direct them to that

[slim flare]

Except like Protocyon or warrah

Dude

[silver steeple]

Aye aye cap'n

[toxic oriole]

... Would Xenocyon work or something? Not sure

[silver steeple]

I guess if you count potential subgenera, I suppose Xenocyon could be counted

Lol

https://tenor.com/view/clown-clowntoclown-conversation-telepathy-clowns-gif-25167584

[digital pendant]

Was the gif needed?

[toxic oriole]

Someday someone might send a gif that just slanders the moderators of this server and everyone in it

[silver steeple]

I was just pointing out that we had the same idea

[slim flare]

Do you not have your answer?

[digital pendant]

I dont know, based on the fact devie was visibly annoyed by your previous responses this reads wrong

Though I cant speak fully for Devie, just my observation

[silver steeple]

I meant no offense by it

[toxic oriole]

I kinda find responses like that to be... I keep forgetting the word

[silver steeple]

If anything it is equally offends myself at the same time if its really that offensive

[toxic oriole]

It rather feels like downplaying or whatever the hell I am thinking of

Probably the wrong one

Even then I aint sure what word it is that comes to mind on responses like that

Oh I think it might be something similar to Killjoy

[digital pendant]

Dismissive?

[toxic oriole]

That

That might be it

[silver steeple]

Well I apologize

That was not my intent

[digital pendant]

👌

[toxic oriole]

Its fine really

If not Canis lupus extinct members, then probably ancestors

[digital pendant]

There is protocyon if you want a different type of canid

[silver steeple]

Tbh looking at it, I think Xenocyon would be decent

Lived with stuff like the last Deinotherium/Sivatherium

[toxic oriole]

Canis etruscus is widely agreed upon to be the ancestor of Canis mosbachensis, which makes it a direct ancestor to the Gray Wolf

or something

[silver steeple]

Xenocyon is thought to be a potential ancestor of African Wild Dogs

Which fits well since those are the most common zoo canids in my experience

[toxic oriole]

Never seen any of those guys in any Zoo I've went to

[silver steeple]

May be biased as they were in my local zoo as a kid

[toxic oriole]

... How about an extinct Coyote?

Oh, the only one that shows up is the Ice Age Coyote or something

Eh

Not really a coyote from what I can see

[digital pendant]

There are no extinct coyotes afaik

[toxic oriole]

Just a Red Wolf population

Or at least as some studies suggest

Ice Age Coyote is probably an extinct subspecies of the Red Wolf

Western population

... Not subspecies actually

Does that actually count for seperate populations in specific areas? I don't know how this works

[flint sable]

me when in confusing taxonomy contest and my competition is pleistocene north american canis taxonomy (and by somewhat extension modern north american canis taxonomy):

[digital pendant]

Definitely a #science-chat question

[toxic oriole]

Oh well

[quick ore]

Minmi doesn't exist

[toxic oriole]

... Wait hold on

[quick ore]

its Kunbarrasaurus now aint it

[toxic oriole]

No its not dubious

or something

I aint sure

[silver steeple]

Minmi exists

Its just very scrappy

Kunbarra took most of the material with it

[quick ore]

oh wait yeah

[silver steeple]

And doesn't seem to be especially closely related

[quick ore]

thats it

[toxic oriole]

Being honest, they both could work for-
Not alt species?

[steep tulip]

I hope to see more "rauisuchians" other than posto
Probably a toss up between saurosuchus and prestosuchus
Former comes from a formation with more well known biota (fame wise) but the latter is probably better known overall
Tho sauro ain't scrappy either
Maybe they could work as alts, same with herrera and staurikosaurus

[toxic oriole]

I was about to say they could work for being alt species for one another, but I guess not?

[oak charm]

Varanus Priscus...

[toxic oriole]

The monitor lizard.

[oak charm]

The lizard of all time

[toxic oriole]

Now unless this information I have has changed, Monitor Lizards are the closest living relatives of Mosasaurs

[silver steeple]

Maybe

Its possible that they're closer to pythons

[toxic oriole]

SNAKES!?!?!?!?!??!!?

[silver steeple]

Yeah

[toxic oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-boa-brazillian-rainbow-boa-snake-toothless-silly-gif-11786038881991168818

[silver steeple]

Snakes are just lizards anyway

[toxic oriole]

Fair point

[oak charm]

Speaking of lizards.

If/when we ever get aquatic enclosures.

M. hoffmanni would be so good

[toxic oriole]

When you say if, I take it you saw that one pinned message in the discussion channel?

[silver steeple]

Probably already planned

[oak charm]

Glanced over it, should I go look

[toxic oriole]

Its the one that came before the player logs pin

[silver steeple]

Mosasaurus, Plesiosaurus, and Icthyosaurus were all planned back in the day

No reason to believe that they wouldn't return if they do aquatics

[oak charm]

I hope they do more aquatics than just those three

[hollow furnace]

They probably will if they did aquatics

[silver steeple]

If we get aquatics it certainly would be lmao

[toxic oriole]

Though they wouldnt reveal anything too soon, that ones for sure

[oak charm]

Like Sachicasaurus, Globidens, Malawania

Probably not...

It.

https://tenor.com/view/shark-attack-look-out-panic-jason-statham-gif-11663344

[toxic oriole]

I wonder why Sachicasaurus became popular in some forms

[silver steeple]

Biggest pliosaur

[toxic oriole]

Well, not TOO popular

[silver steeple]

That's about it

[oak charm]

Primordial Tyrants mostly with their Sachi mod in PoT

[steep tulip]

Therefore a really great sculpture of it that's like 300 dollars
That's the best rep I've seen of it

[oak charm]

Ahem

Sauce?

[toxic oriole]

They very well could add Megalodon to said DLC

[steep tulip]

Cen daoyi studio

300 dollars unpainted btw lol

There's also the other guy included

[oak charm]

They definitely could! I'm not saying id hate that at all because I LOVE sharks.

[steep tulip]

That one weird pliosaur with the long snout

[toxic oriole]

From what I've heard, there was concept art for Dunkleosteus of Prehistoric Kingdom that used the outdated reconstruction

[oak charm]

But I just KNOW keeping even a single one is going to be a logistical nightmare

Bigger carnivorus Argent that is also purely aquatic and would more than likely need to take up a good chunk of your ENTIRE PARK just to house the damn thing.

Don't even get me started on FEEDING IT

[silver steeple]

From nearly ten years ago yes

[steep tulip]

Luskhan

Foaming at the mouth

[toxic oriole]

Perhaps the Dunk could make a comeback in said Aquatic DLC

🤷‍♀️

[hollow furnace]

Realistically a megalodon would be just straight up impossible to keep in captivity, going off what we know of sharks

But luckily this is a video game, not real life

[oak charm]

HRNGHGHSHSGSGNNENEHGGGGEHEHGE

[oak charm]

True...

[toxic oriole]

You very well could keep a Great White Shark in captivity temporarily, but eventually you'll have to release em back into the wild

[steep tulip]

That's the extra with the package
I wish they sold it separately

[oak charm]

But its still a MEGALODON

[toxic oriole]

And then theres the Ginsu Shark, or Cretoxyrhina mantelli

[oak charm]

Easier to keep most likely

[toxic oriole]

For what its worth, it'd be like keeping a Great White Shark in captivity

You could only keep them for a few days before they start to decay

[oak charm]

Although if there was any prehistoric shark that would be the most practical for keeping in a zoo, its Stethacanthus

[toxic oriole]

And that you'd have to release them into the wild

Then again, video game, not real life

Cretoxyrhina is a speedy one, on the list of fastest sharks of all time, even if its been extinct for millions of years already

[quick ore]

p sure they just die in captivity

[toxic oriole]

Thats why I say temporarily

[oak charm]

HORRIBLE idea for something the size of a schoolbus with the appetite of a small orphanage

[toxic oriole]

Eh

If you don't release em near land, it should be fine

Then again they'll eventually move on to the open ocean

They wouldn't linger, for what I know

[oak charm]

I think that's even worse, because now how are you going to find them again

[toxic oriole]

Chances are the animal might get killed by another aquatic animal anyways

[oak charm]

It's a Cretoxyrhina

[toxic oriole]

Yeah and Cretoxyrhina is larger than the average Great White Shark, so if anything...

It'd go down just like how Great White Sharks are in the wild

[oak charm]

Oh wait, orcas

[outer moth]

I’m gonna play for Devil’s Advocate and Imma say this
PK needs to have a “recently discovered” species pack

[toxic oriole]

Recently DISCOVERED?

Hmmmm

[oak charm]

Not before it takes a few fishing vessels with it

[toxic oriole]

Cretoxyrhina isnt THAT big tbf

Plus, when it comes to experience, some sharks just wont randomly attack people

Because they have experience

The inexperienced ones are the type to randomly attack you

Then again

[oak charm]

A ginsu shark born and raised in a zoo would not know to avoid people

[toxic oriole]

... Wrong term buddy

Thats an aquarium, not a zoo

Eh, tbf

Theys sorta the same, but different

[oak charm]

https://tenor.com/view/teruimus-elmo-angry-murder-meme-gif-24449818

[neat iris]

You could most likely make this argument with pretty much any large prehistoric marine animal

[silver steeple]

Idk about needs, but it would be neat

[neat iris]

But yes, it’s just a game, so it doesn’t really matter

[silver steeple]

Great excuse for Spicomellus

[toxic oriole]

Taurovenator............

Infernodrakon.............

[hollow furnace]

No, not really

[toxic oriole]

Lokiceratops..........

Khankuuluu.....

[oak charm]

You put a white shark in the same enclosure as an orca, and it just dies

[toxic oriole]

I mean, captive orcas are not pleasant

[oak charm]

Oh definitely not

[toxic oriole]

They are NOT pleasant to be around, or work with from what I've heard

[oak charm]

But they're alive... unfortunately

[toxic oriole]

I'd rather see an Orca in the WILD rather than captive

[oak charm]

Because they themselves are in the most unpleasant environment imaginable for then, outside of being beached that is.

[toxic oriole]

also just for context, at the time Megalodon was around, Orcas were just the size of the Bottlenose Dolphin

And when the shark died, Orcas became what they are today

Okay lets get back on topic

[steep tulip]

Yeah I don't think there's any way to keep cetaceans in captivity
Like you would need to build an exhibit so big that at that point you might as well let them roam free since people not gonna see them anyway

[toxic oriole]

I mean, this is a game right? I'm sure they'll find a way to make it work

but also be ethical

[oak charm]

Me after I breed a megalodon and then "accidentally" release it into the oceans around California

[steep tulip]

Well idc about game wise

[toxic oriole]

Yeah that guys gone already, Modern Orca's if they team up can take down large animals

Especially whales

[steep tulip]

I'm playing the game I better see them moving inside the tank lol

[oak charm]

Whales are not truly active predators that have jaws strong enough to cut a bus in half.

[toxic oriole]

Filter feeders

[oak charm]

Yes, that is what I said.

[toxic oriole]

Dolphins are just toothed whales, yes?
Orca's are related to Dolphins

And I hear non-Orca dolphins do better in captivity

[oak charm]

I dont see what you're getting at

[toxic oriole]

Yeah I lost track already

I guess I'll suggest an extinct Dolphin

One that might do well in captivity similar to some modern dolphins of today

[oak charm]

Vaquita, it'll probably be extinct by the time the game is complete, unfortunate as that fact is.