Community Species Suggestions

[flint sable]

short

[austere sparrow]

short is the opposite of long

[ancient ibex]

And of tall

Because English

[flint sable]

or Gnol ig

[silver steeple]

I was just about to say that lmfao

[toxic oriole]

Alright lets move away from Megatheropods this time

[flint sable]

ok

[toxic oriole]

Think something else

but what?

[ancient ibex]

No those are demon humanoid hyenas and quite tall

[austere sparrow]

Have you seen the shit juvenile dinosaurs get up to.

[flint sable]

small ungulate peak?

[toxic oriole]

Fair enough on that one

[hollow flower]

Anteosaurus

[late swallow]

Godwin's law for dinosaurs

[toxic oriole]

And I mean we LITERALLY move away from megatheropods

lest they try to turn us into food

then again theyve been dead for years

[ancient ibex]

Honestly, the entire shtick of "popular things are bad" is just grating

[silver steeple]

Yeah, it ain't that different lmfao

Except for a couple extreme cases

[late swallow]

I'm not sure that's what she was going for

[toxic oriole]

I'll take some Dromaeosaur representation, maybe some more paraves

[smoky spear]

we are getting utahraptor soon

[ancient ibex]

The thing with Meraxes is that it has distinct characteristics in overlapping details versus stuff living alongside it

[flint sable]

fun fact: the last tyrannosaurus on earth died more than 3 years ago today 😔

[smoky spear]

probably we wont have to worry about dromaesaur diversity in game atm

[flint sable]

I mean depends on what you mean by soon

[ancient ibex]

Contrasting with Tyrannotitan -> Giganotosaurus -> Mapusaurus, which is pretty much a single lineage

[smoky spear]

something like troodontid on the other hand

😔

[flint sable]

since its more than likely coming with full launch, which could be as far away as mid 2027

[toxic oriole]

If that petition for Troodon to get that neotype does get approved...

Then you know what happens.

[flint sable]

which isnt that far in the grand scheme of things I suppose

[ancient ibex]

Fuck Troodon

Stenonychosaurus ftw

[toxic oriole]

You win some, you lose some

[austere sparrow]

Hey, I don't think popular things that deserve the popularity are bad. You won't hear me complaining about Ankylosaurus, Stegosaurus, Velociraptor or Oviraptor being added, for example.

[toxic oriole]

If Troodon becomes valid again, then Stenonychosaurus takes Troodons old place

[wild relic]

The only dromies I can see coming besides Utah is Deinon, I was gonna also say Austroraptor but recently it's now a bird

[ancient ibex]

60 years a Pachycephalosaur is Troodon's historic significance

[toxic oriole]

Eye for an eye.

[flint sable]

and being the name of a clade ig

but then again theres other examples of clades that are named after absolute pieces of crap

case and point: Ceratops and Ceratopsia

[late swallow]

Okay but look at him

[ancient ibex]

Papers aren't patch notes tho, that's a 10 year old result that was found again

[austere sparrow]

Giganotosaurus wouldn't usually be bad either but it's contextually bad because we already have Carchar

[smoky spear]

people just want to be contrarian

[late swallow]

Troodon cute

[toxic oriole]

Fuck it, Troodon and Stenonychosaurus as alts

[shell sonnet]

Stenonychosaurus and Saurorinthides as alts

[ancient ibex]

Deinodontidae having priority over Tyrannosauridae is also a thing

[steep tulip]

Yeah I would have preferred to just get giga in base with carcha alt

[shell sonnet]

don't need the damn teeth

[smoky spear]

lets be realistic most people dont want shitty animals even paleo nerds barely are aware of

[late swallow]

We have Ugru, we can have trood

[flint sable]

as a sidenote thats a really epico name for a troodon

im stealing that if it ever gets added

[flint sable]

ture...

[late swallow]

I have a bunch with really stupid names

[flint sable]

and other cases exist

[steep tulip]

Well at least we know the giga dlc gonna sell

[shell sonnet]

agreed

[flint sable]

like Ceratopsidae and Ceratopsia

[ancient ibex]

The good timeline involves giga being revealed first, and then carcha as an alt showcased alongside spino

[austere sparrow]

Troodon sweeeep

[flint sable]

Ceratops is essentially nonexistent and nobody cares about it

[late swallow]

I'm gonna say it, the JWD giga design FUCKS

[ancient ibex]

Like Troodon

[toxic oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-stfu-shut-your-mouth-slap-slapping-gif-8050553153066707611

[flint sable]

the problem with Troodon is that it managed to be discovered late enough to actually survive into modern pop culture kinda

unlike Ceratops

because it was discovered so long ago

[ancient ibex]

Troodon is a 1856 discovery

[austere sparrow]

The JWD Giga is a pretty good JW Concavenator design

[shell sonnet]

Troodon was found in the 1800's

[nimble wedge]

jurassic world dominion giga is shit

[flint sable]

yeah, but it wasnt found to be a theropod for an additional 60 some years after the fact

so it wasnt like

[shell sonnet]

alongside Trachodon and Deinodon and Paleosincus

[flint sable]

really discovered untill then

if you think about it

[shell sonnet]

And no one is asking for those three to come back

[ancient ibex]

It was found to be a theropod in 1987

[austere sparrow]

The problem with Troodon is that Theropod bias plus easy to say name means you can catapult into way more fame than you probably deserve

[flint sable]

I will admit Troodon should definitely not be as famous as it is

but it already is famous

[austere sparrow]

Troodon rode HARD on being a wastebasket

[flint sable]

so

[steep tulip]

Maybe they can put lesser known species because of that

[flint sable]

too late to change it now

[ancient ibex]

Not even an wastebasket, but aggressive lumping

[flint sable]

you cant make something unfamous really

[austere sparrow]

Hell Troodon was a wastebasket during the 2000s documentary boom. Made it appear in fucking everything

[shell sonnet]

Trachodon

[austere sparrow]

Dinosauroid also probably helped lol

[steep tulip]

Megalosaurus as well

[ancient ibex]

Saurornithoides was discovered the same year Stegoceras was reclassified as Troodon validum, Pachycephalosaurus was described as Troodon wyomingensis

[flint sable]

that was with culture shift and people realizing it was shit on top of it not appearing in anything

[steep tulip]

Megalosaurus fell off the moment other theropods got discovered and classified in their own genera

[flint sable]

I mean you cant make something unfamous without any real reason and by yourself

[ancient ibex]

Daspletosaurus saving Albertosaurus and Gorgosaurus from being eaten into Deinodon

[smoky spear]

omg i forgot they used to classify pachycephalosaurs as troodontid 💀

[flint sable]

culture has to move around it basically

[toxic oriole]

Hows about this?
DLC idea, don't judge me
With some of the FIRST prehistoric animals to have ever been discovered

Leave Iguanodon out, its already present

[late swallow]

What the FUCK is that

[steep tulip]

No media relevance past the early 1900s

[ancient ibex]

Saurornithoidiids and Pachycephalosaurids weren't assumed to be the same thing tho

[shell sonnet]

1964 World's Fair Trachodon

[flint sable]

iirc its Megatherium or Megalonyx were the first

[toxic oriole]

I emphasise on GLOBAL

[steep tulip]

Pterodactylus
Uhhh
Idk

[flint sable]

a lot of pleistocene animals were discovered super early

Woolly Mammoth was discovere all the way back in 1799

or at least formally named

but it was kinda known about earlier

[austere sparrow]

Okay credit where credit is due, unlike most retrosaur depictions from that era it looks like it could actually be an animal

[silver steeple]

I wouldn't put too much stock into that

[flint sable]

Megatherium and Megalonyx were even earlier

iirc like

1798?

1797?

[steep tulip]

Pterodactylus might be the only one worth adding still

[slim flare]

Into Austroraptor being outside Dromaeosauridae?

[toxic oriole]

So that pack idea would have Mammals, Birds, Non-Bird Dinosaurs, Pterosaurs and others.

[steep tulip]

All the other too scrappy to hold as a single animal

[toxic oriole]

The real question is, how much?

[steep tulip]

And we already have some ingame

[toxic oriole]

Yeah

[flint sable]

ok Megalonyx is from 1799 and Megatherium is from all the way back in 1796

I think that makes Megatherium the first formally named prehistoric animal

[steep tulip]

Plateo, iggy, basically all the mammoth steppe stuff

Archaeopteryx

[silver steeple]

Being avialans specifically

[steep tulip]

We might get the rest if the SA pleistocene animals too

[flint sable]

Mammoth Steppe stuff got named super early yeah

a surprising ammount of the earliest species discovered are ingame already

[shell sonnet]

https://www.worldsfairphotos.com/nywf64/sinclair.htm

[austere sparrow]

Imo Unenlagiines not being Dromies anymore honestly makes them more desirable but that's just me I guess

[late swallow]

1799 - E. primigenius

[silver steeple]

And calling avialans birds but that's a different dumpster fire

[steep tulip]

Toxodon

Toxodon and macrauchenia

[late swallow]

Changed to M. primigenius in 1828 when an old dude was selling teeth??

[toxic oriole]

Alright I had another DLC idea
And its rather inconvenient

Having to do with prehistoric animals discovered in "No mans land" zones

[slim flare]

North America late Pleistocene slacking

[flint sable]

but yeah I havent found an earlier named extinct species behind Megatherium

from 1796

[austere sparrow]

...No mans land zones?

[toxic oriole]

I cant think of another way to put it

[silver steeple]

I assume they mean very rural areas

[flint sable]

I think its the oldest, at least that was formally scientifically described in the modern sense

what do you mean by no mans land

do you mean like what Boitgotbooped said

or do you mean like

[shell sonnet]

Toxodon, Phorusrhacos, and Glyptodon and then we have every extinct terresterial animal from the orginial Lost World

[flint sable]

currently politically contested areas between multiple countries

or

something else

[steep tulip]

islands?

[austere sparrow]

Amazed at how good some of these are
...Others not so much (rip rex, Trike and Anky)

[toxic oriole]

I thought more of barren places, akin to that of Antarctica and a few other stuff

Like, dead habitats and such

[flint sable]

oh ok

uh

[toxic oriole]

Then again theres already stuff in Antarctica anyways

[austere sparrow]

Actually you know what the Anky is fine

[flint sable]

theres a surprising ammount of fossils that are found in bassically barren lands

Tiktaalik is from the middle of nowhere in canada

theres basically everything from Mongolia

uhhhhhhh

Antarctic stuff yeah

the Badlands are essentially just barren desert too

so

thats like

half of north american fossil finds

[left spear]

Most Permian Russian fossils too

[austere sparrow]

Anyway sooo
PNSO (dinosaur figurine company) made a bunch of Carcharodontosauridae figures. This person has them all lined up.
Anyone care to guess as to who is who? 😃

[shell sonnet]

I could if I saw their bellies

[austere sparrow]

Their bellies are in frame

[left spear]

No Lips 😑

[austere sparrow]

Yeah lol

Lotsa complaints about the lack of lips

@toxic oriole Wanna partake in the game?

[hardy rock]

It is

[toxic oriole]

Hmmm

[austere sparrow]

One of them is a freebie~

[steep tulip]

carcha giga acro and last one is meraxes

I imagine the 4th one is mapu

[toxic oriole]

Seeing how one has spines, thats probs Mapusaurus

[steep tulip]

👆 🤓

[left spear]

Oh yeah just saw acro

[toxic oriole]

Whoopsiedoodles

[steep tulip]

why yall clowning me

[left spear]

I think first is carch

Then giga

[steep tulip]

and by yall I mean devie

[ancient ibex]

TTBT Dromies and Troodonts are far too inclusive in their definition no matter where Unenlagians end up

[toxic oriole]

Alright look, it was the timing

[left spear]

Imma say Carch-Giga-Acro-Meraxes-Tyrannotitan

[toxic oriole]

You sent the nerd emoji at that one time, so thats retaliation

[smoky spear]

💀

[left spear]

Don't know about the Order of the last 2

[austere sparrow]

Here's the solution! The one without the name-card is Meraxes.

[ancient ibex]

Acrocanthosaurus is the obvious non-Carcharodontosaurine one

[steep tulip]

oh lol
was referring to my own comment, because Im a nerd

but yeah not like

[left spear]

Ah mapu

[austere sparrow]

Here's Tyrannotitan.

[steep tulip]

huge differences, except acro

which is my beloved

[ancient ibex]

Giga has rough nasals in comparison with Carcha, which is the one close in size

[toxic oriole]

I heard of something called Gigatitan

[left spear]

Either Tyranno or Meraxes would be nice DLC bait tbh

[ancient ibex]

Tyrannotitan has no skull material AFAIR

[austere sparrow]

You mean the leaf insect?

[ancient ibex]

Raptorial grasshopper I believe?

[steep tulip]

titanopteran

[toxic oriole]

Hey, I'd be willing to take an excuse for an insect

[steep tulip]

why they got the names

lmao

[wild relic]

I will say tho, I'm glad we finally found the real life version of Anguirus, now we just need a better Gojirasaurus

[steep tulip]

these the kinda names pterosaurs should have got

[austere sparrow]

Anyway yeah. As you can clearly see, all of these (except maybe Acro) are blatant alt material of each other. 😔

[toxic oriole]

Why even call it Gigatitan?

[steep tulip]

because bigger than average insect

[wild relic]

Ye

[ancient ibex]

And also quite incomplete as a rule

[toxic oriole]

... Rule?

[steep tulip]

probabaly smaller than some stick insects as well

[wild relic]

Ye remember the walking branch insect

[steep tulip]

Im trowing shades at it, but its a cool animal all in all

[ancient ibex]

'anax, Tarbo, Acro, Tyranno, Carcha, Giga (and the big refered jaw), Spino

[austere sparrow]

Sidenote not to be mean but PNSO models cost between 20 and 60 bucks each so I would not recommend collecting each and every of the identical glubshitto-Megatheropods

[toxic oriole]

Beware the greg

[left spear]

Nah i need the rex-tarbo-zhucheng collection

[steep tulip]

they should do more marine reptiles

[ancient ibex]

Which is quite useless to compare with, say, Carcharodontosaurus

[left spear]

Not much of the important stuff tbh

[ancient ibex]

Jaw also has chin fwiw

[toxic oriole]

What even are the odds of finding more specimens of these animals?

[wild relic]

I remember we found a new species in Australia this year, the Highlands Giant Acrophylla

[smoky spear]

I have a feeling they won’t add insects to the game

[austere sparrow]

Behold! PNSO T.rex, Tarbosaurus, and Zhuchengtyrannus, and Daspletosaurus, not in that order. Who can tell who's who? :) Tarbosaurus was reconstructed based on a crushed skull that's why it looks so ass

[smoky spear]

Except the giant ones from Carboniferous

[smoky spear]

I want to sleep and don’t want to zoom

[toxic oriole]

I can see Tarbosaurus as the fucked up looking one with the head

[smoky spear]

So i will just say all of them are T. rex

[toxic oriole]

WHY DO SOME OF THOSE MODELS NOT HAVE LIPS!? 😭

Lemme guess, old reconstruction

[austere sparrow]

None of them have lips

Yeah 😔

PNSO hasn't been consistently lipping their Theropods. Apparently they'll start doing so soon though

[toxic oriole]

That first one could probably be Daspletosaurus

[ancient ibex]

Daspletosaurus is quite distinct from Tyrannosaurines

[austere sparrow]

It is!

[steep tulip]

is the 4th one tarbo?

lol

[austere sparrow]

Consider it the test group

[austere sparrow]

Yupp

[wild relic]

Isn't Dasp also a tyrannosaurine? I think you meant Tyrannosaurins

[ancient ibex]

I did, thanks!

[wild relic]

Np 😁

[silver steeple]

GSP alt account spotted

[austere sparrow]

Anyway I do keep roasting Megatheropod fans for requesting animals they can't even tell apart from each other but I feel a little bit mean actually putting it to the test 😓

[ancient ibex]

Oh no no no, GSP believes there is a conspiracy to overlump T.rex

[toxic oriole]

I mean, theres really not much you can do to make them all look distinct from one another

And even then, in life they would probably look identical anyways!

[hardy rock]

Will we get a megaraptor?

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, 2 months ago Aliorams were found closer to Tyrannosaurins than Daspletosaurs

[austere sparrow]

I mean, somehow the only animals guessed where Tarbosaurus (which I called out in the initial post) and T.rex (by technicality, by someone going "all of these are T.rex!". Three of them indeed are)

(Nobody even (correctly) pointed out Dasp yet 😭)

[ancient ibex]

Daspletosaurus has telltale hornlets

[austere sparrow]

Which one of the pictures has the telltale hornlets, Erior

Please, release me from my suffering

[toxic oriole]

C or something

Either that or D

[austere sparrow]

D being the fourth that was already confirmed to be Tarbosaurus?

[steep tulip]

daspleto is the 5th

gotta be

[toxic oriole]

I was looking at this chart

[austere sparrow]

Yes! it is, thank you

[ancient ibex]

I fail to find one with the hornlets, so most likely they fucked up the toy; would go with the 5th one as that's far more lithe than a general Tyrannosaurus depiction

[austere sparrow]

And yeah it does seem they fucked up the hornlets oops

Sorry for accidental sabotage 😔

[wild relic]

It's the one with the black background that's the Dasp

[feral cedar]

it’s a bit unfair to ask people to tell the difference between different tyrannosaurines based on toys, since these aren’t necessarily rigorous restorations

[quick ore]

https://nixillustration.com/science-illustration/2023/neolicaphrium/
latest surviving Protothere, would be a cool choice imo

[feral cedar]

[ancient ibex]

It IS a good series as a general rule

[wild relic]

Honestly Beast of the Mesozoic did a good job too

[quick ore]

I also think an Oreodont would be dope

[toxic oriole]

OREO?

COOKIE?!

[steep tulip]

I cant tell which one zuchen is

[toxic oriole]

COOKIE TOOTH!?

[ancient ibex]

Same energy as telling apart the species

[quick ore]

or a small camelid like Stenomylus

[austere sparrow]

Alright! Zhucheng is the very first toy. Tarbosaurus and Dasp got revealed already, and the other three are all Tyrannosaurs.

[steep tulip]

I also got tarbo due to the hint

[feral cedar]

Does oreodont imply the existence of an Oreodon?

[ancient ibex]

Yep

[quick ore]

it means mountain tooth

[toxic oriole]

Damn, an entire mountain as your teeth

Thats gotta be rough

[feral cedar]

You’re telling me we could’ve had an entire subfamily of thescelosaurs called OREODROMINAE and we didn’t

[ancient ibex]

Mastodon means nipple tooth after all

[shell sonnet]

different stages of growth of the same animal

[austere sparrow]

I guess that's a fair point but "toys made by the same source" was easier to find than "video game models made by the same source"

[quick ore]

mammals as a whole are literally named after mammaries

[ancient ibex]

Not with mammals and their telltale dentition

[austere sparrow]

Nanotyrannus sweep

[shell sonnet]

You know I'm joking right

[ancient ibex]

I know I know

Never missing the chance to point out mammals being weird

[austere sparrow]

Also I wouldn't have been doing this if we didn't have multiple cases of people requesting near-identical megatheropods in distinct full slots 😔

[ancient ibex]

I just want a Giga built from Carcha assets ngl

[austere sparrow]

Giga being distinct is still reasonable imo

[ancient ibex]

Just like I want a Cory from Lambeo assets, or lowkey a Centro with Styraco assets

[austere sparrow]

Even it coming with an alt

Same on both of those, too

[ancient ibex]

Or the NA ornithomimids with Galli assets

[shell sonnet]

Feel like Struthi and Galli are quite a bit different

[ancient ibex]

Ornitho not too much

[austere sparrow]

Don't care super much for the NA Ornithomimids but I guess they'd be nice hoofstock-esque formation filler

[late swallow]

Giv archaeo and ornitho

And Garudi

[austere sparrow]

Especially considering they lived in some of the non-bloated formations

Archaeornithomimus 🤔

[neat iris]

I doubt Planet Zoo will ever add extinct species

[shell sonnet]

Struthi is a must have; it was the Ornithomimid until JP

[late swallow]

Add em all, fuck it

Cap'n Crunch: Oops! All Ornithomimisaurs!

[shell sonnet]

archaeo is quite a bit different from the rest

[ancient ibex]

Pelecanimimus ftw

[trail moth]

could Shuno also get a jiangyiensis alt? not entirely sure on jiangyiensis' validity or anything though

[shell sonnet]

I guess... I'm not exactly familiar with that species beyond knowing it's less complete

[neat iris]

As much as gallimimus already fills that niche perfectly, the game could still probably do with another ornithomimid

Struthiomimus would be good for Hell Creek themed areas

[shell sonnet]

Struthi may not be a Hell Creek animal

Hell Creek actually rather sucks when it comes to smaller sized therapods

[outer moth]

Looks pretty spikey to me

[shell sonnet]

That's not the point; the point was it's a fragmentary animal. And I'm not a fan of the fact that the writers decided to show a 3D model over a skeletal

[outer moth]

So more like an ankylosaurian porcupine

[smoky spear]

It has better completeness than argentinosaurus

[shell sonnet]

Argentinosaurus has name power; why don't people get this

[smoky spear]

Which is in the game

[neat iris]

Still, if they add another ornithomimid, either that one or ornitho would probably be the most likely

[shell sonnet]

And at least we have a skeletal for Argentino

[neat iris]

Ornitho because PrePark

Struthio because E G G S

https://tenor.com/view/eggs-land-before-time-gif-12046333914439900206

[outer moth]

Plus Ornitho cuz countless mentions in old paleomedia

Like Dino Dan or MSB

[shell sonnet]

Struthi and Ornitho can be alts (and apparently with Galli); they can fill in Dinosaur Park and Horseshoe Canyon

Which do need more dinos

Pelicanmimus would also be wonderful

[ancient ibex]

Ornitho's type is coeval tho

[slim flare]

Proof Nanotyrannus is an Alioramin?

[late swallow]

Don't injure yourself with that stretch

[left spear]

I mean Nano as an Alioramin would go so hard

[austere sparrow]

It's going nowhere

[late swallow]

It's going into Tyrannosaurus

[austere sparrow]

Taxonomic affiliation doesn't change the skeleton or appearance of an animal 😭

"Oh it's moving to this clade oh it's moving to that clade" literally makes no difference for anything but the narrow band of animals with modern relatives that have their reconstructions heavily based on said relatives

[drowsy rapids]

Ok can we get Spicomellus in game now

[austere sparrow]

Spiky mellon

[drowsy rapids]

Like holy crap

[late swallow]

See: Otodus megalodon

[austere sparrow]

"heavily based" might be overly generous to O.megalodon considering how many people just use a literal actual Great White but upscaled for it

[low bridge]

Candy update: Candiacervus, Nuralugus Rex

[austere sparrow]

Why is Nuralagus candy?

[low bridge]

Easter this kind of thing

[austere sparrow]

Oh I see

Makes sense

[low bridge]

Easter Nuralugus Rex should be fine in game with Candiacervus or Rudolph (Praemegaceros) Hope that Devs will add them in Easter Dlc

Megaloceros needs some deerly friends since he looks lonely in game

[quick ore]

I'm sorry but an Easter themed DLC is a dumb idea

[toxic oriole]

Holiday themed DLC's? Really?

All I can see with that is just props and stuff

Nothing more, nothing less

[neat iris]

La Brea dlc plz devs

[toxic oriole]

Well theres a few La Brea animals ingame so far, what others are missing aside from the Direwolf?

[hollow flower]

Arctodus

Mastodon

Columbian mammoth

[quick ore]

the only Holidays that make sense to get any sort of cosmetic dlcs for are like, New Years and other wintery holidays and maybe Halloween because the former includes a bunch of different holidays and the latter isn't tied to any religion

[hollow flower]

Glupshitto ground sloths of various degrees

[toxic oriole]

Heh, camelops

Good one

[quick ore]

Easter is explicitly a Christian holiday and dedicating a dlc theme to it is silly

[toxic oriole]

Sorta.

[toxic oriole]

... Isnt Christmas also one?

[quick ore]

like I said a ton of non christian holidays happen around the same time

[shell sonnet]

Velox is less complete and messier than edmontonicus last I checked

[left spear]

Christmas is very bastardized and tbh more greco-roman than Christian

[quick ore]

hence why the dlc could just be called a generic "Holiday Pack"

[left spear]

So not that much of a deal compared to easter

[quick ore]

if they even wanted to

which I highly doubt they would

[ancient ibex]

But unless a neotype is assigned, it is the one likely to not be it

[low bridge]

Fck Easter themed Dlc for real let's focus on Agate Springs Dlc with Menoceras, Stenomylus,Moropus, Daeodon + (Archaeotherium alt)

[toxic oriole]

We was talking about pigs a few days ago

[quick ore]

did you only think of that because of Forgotten Bloodlines

[low bridge]

Nope

[toxic oriole]

What?

[shell sonnet]

Velox, edmontonicus, altus, sedens

I feel more comfortable with more complete species

[lean hound]

Two predators isn't really a few

[toxic oriole]

Who said anything about JUST predators?

Plenty of La Brea Tar Pit skeletons

not counting the human

nor that domestic dog

[low bridge]

No

[lean hound]

I think you've misunderstood me

You said there's a few la brea animals ingame

[toxic oriole]

The mammoth is one of those guys, is it not?

[lean hound]

nop

[quick ore]

no

[lean hound]

only smilodon and panthera

[quick ore]

wooly mammoths were not in La Brea

[low bridge]

Wonder if Liushu get something like Dinocrocuta, Chilotherium

[austere sparrow]

Guys we need to add the woodox for my modern kingdom park builds

[warm plank]

Yutyrannus , Guanlong , monolophosaurus , cryolophosaurus , maip , oxalaia

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/hmusicruof4-rowley-diary-of-a-wimpy-kid-rodrick-rules-gif-26773802

[hollow flower]

Its oxalaia isnt it

[plush nacelle]

True

[late swallow]

This is a silly thing to get worked up about

[steep tulip]

We have to let go of oxalaia

[warm plank]

OR instead of oxalaia , irritator

[quick ore]

im not worked up

[steep tulip]

Irritator goat idc

[warm plank]

real

[late swallow]

Oh right oxa is one of them there spinosaurids

[warm plank]

nanuqsaurus would be cool too

[hollow flower]

Well

Was

Not exactly the best skeletal remains I must say

Cryo and Mono though is a very good pair

[warm plank]

yeahh

since we got dilo why cant we have mono , or even trilopho

[toxic oriole]

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT-

[warm plank]

we gotta have all three. for the funny

trilopho

[toxic oriole]

Yeah about Trilophosaurus....

[hollow flower]

It always annoys me that the name Trilophosaurus is taken by this beast instead of a hypothetical three crested Dilophosaur relative

[late swallow]

There is undescribed postcranial for Nanuq

[hollow flower]

Oh?

[austere sparrow]

We had second lophosaurus, but what about third lophosaurus? 🤔

[hollow flower]

Maybe I can finally leave the Nanuq dislike behind

[warm plank]

trilophosaurus exists

[toxic oriole]

Alright quadrilophosaurus

[warm plank]

idk about that one

[toxic oriole]

FOUR crested lizard

[austere sparrow]

I am not quite blind, I saw

[hollow flower]

I must ask where the hell are the three crests on this thing exactly

[late swallow]

You sure?

[warm plank]

i feel like sinosauroptyerx would also be a good choice , esp since its markings are already known aswell

or at least some of them

[toxic oriole]

I'm curious as to why Leallynasaura was made for full exhibit and not Sinosauropteryx

[warm plank]

agree

i mean i think sino is smaller iirc

[late swallow]

Sino might just be juvy yuty

[late swallow]

much

[steep tulip]

Propaganda

[warm plank]

sino would be like an aviary or terrarium

[neat iris]

Yutyrannus or nanuqsaurus would be perfect for some tundra dino rep

[lean hound]

👎

[warm plank]

yes

[austere sparrow]

Bullying and mean and uncalled for 😭

[plush nacelle]

Yuty is not boreal and nanuq is shit

[steep tulip]

Say it 🗣️

[austere sparrow]

Compsognathus might be juvenile Allosaurus

[steep tulip]

I won't bend over nanuqsaurus

Tho I know its making it into the game

[left spear]

I mean Nanuq by itself is an interesting animal, it's just that it's found remains are garbage

[steep tulip]

Is it really that interesting

[left spear]

But it's not like for example Mapu, which is just a giga clone

[neat iris]

Also, not tundra or boreal, but still a theropod, we gotta have giganotosaurus

[austere sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-daring-today-spongebob-spongebob-meme-daring-today-arent-we-gif-23808696

[left spear]

Obviously not top 20 most interesting dinosaurs but It has it's thing

[hollow flower]

Theropod mania currently

[left spear]

Nah

[austere sparrow]

THEROPODA MANIA??

Mania

[plush nacelle]

If it only was living in environment media is still trying hard to portay in, but no. We have gingkos, ferns and normal temperate stuff in there

[austere sparrow]

Maniraptora

Troodon confirmed

[hollow flower]

Giga is an inevitability

[warm plank]

baryonyx, irritator or sucho would be good other spinosaurs

[toxic oriole]

Oh about that

[toxic oriole]

Baryonyx MIGHT be coming

[warm plank]

peak

[steep tulip]

Not might

[neat iris]

Giga is cool af

[steep tulip]

Baryonyx is coming

[warm plank]

it def is coming

[steep tulip]

100%

[austere sparrow]

Baryonyx is literally already ingame. Spinosaurus 30% ontogeny

[toxic oriole]

When I say might, I mean in the sense of being in either EA or Post EA

[left spear]

Yeah let's be real even if It weren't confirmed it's fucking bary

Same with carno

[steep tulip]

That's irritator smh

[warm plank]

fr

[austere sparrow]

Why the long face?

[toxic oriole]

This is why:

https://tenor.com/view/linologist-explain-gif-20468870

[left spear]

People trying to convince them we need Irritator:

[austere sparrow]

Theropod fans explaining why games need thirty clones of already ingame taxa while most other groups are underrepresented:

[late swallow]

Do I have to keep saying it

[steep tulip]

No

[toxic oriole]

Post Cranial.

[hollow flower]

Paleozoic invertebrates I think would be cool:

[toxic oriole]

yes

OH MY GOD ITS A CEPHALOPOD

[neat iris]

That’s fine with me, though I’d prefer baryonyx or suchomimus

[austere sparrow]

I have posted cranial pls respond 🥺

[toxic oriole]

HOLY SHITTO ITS A SEA SCORPION!!!!

Anomalocaris.

And what the hell is that fourth one underneath the sea scorpion right next to the Anomalocaris

[hollow flower]

Omnidens

[steep tulip]

Undescribed postcranial could very well be 1 rib and 2 vertebrae for all we know

[hollow flower]

The monster of the cambrian

[left spear]

So? It's still an interesting animal per se, same with Oxalaia, if we had only found a few Rex Bones would that make It a lame and boring animal? No, i'm not saying they should be in the Game because frankly they shouldn't, but the animal is at the very least intriguing.

[toxic oriole]

Well Oxalaia's fossil got destroyed in a museum fire

[neat iris]

If they add fully aquatic animals, that is (hopefully they will)

[hollow flower]

I like to call it Anomalocaris´s nemesis but theres not much supporting that other than the 2 living together

[toxic oriole]

Mosura.........

[drowsy rapids]

Camelops would be awesome

[left spear]

Large brazilian spinosaurus is still pretty cool if you ask me

[hollow flower]

It just sounds cool as a title

[neat iris]

I could see anomalocaris as a terrarium animal, but only if they add a fully aquatic terrarium

Sea scorpions are big tho, they might have to be regular exhibit animals

[hollow flower]

Well some are

Jaek and Ptery could and should be exhibits

[steep tulip]

^

[warm plank]

hallucinogenia as a aquarium animal too

[toxic oriole]

Hehehehhehehehehe

COMB JELLY

[warm plank]

i forgot how to spell its name

[steep tulip]

Pterygotus has both very small and very big species

[hollow flower]

Youd need a zoom to see that one

[steep tulip]

I only want hallucigenia if they make it bigger

[toxic oriole]

Kaiju sized Hallucigenia

[steep tulip]

Yeah...

[hollow flower]

Where have I seen that before

[warm plank]

or a type of trilobite maybe

[toxic oriole]

Why are they even called Trilobites if they cant even TriloBITE?

[steep tulip]

The park get flattened

[hollow flower]

Oh my those names got fucked up

[drowsy rapids]

They could do mini-aquarium static objects, like the reptile and insect houses from ZT2

[neat iris]

Trilobites and ammonites for aquatic terrariums too

[hollow flower]

Well the biggest one is Isotelus

[warm plank]

yeah

xiphanctinus if they ever ass large aquariums

add

[drowsy rapids]

My most wanted sea creature that wouldnt be a guaranteed inclusion would be Dakosaurus

[warm plank]

yes

YES

i feel like kelenken or some form of terror bird would also be cool

[drowsy rapids]

I’d imagine a plesiosaur, pliosaur, icthyosaur, mosasaur, giant fish, giant turtle, early whale and maybe an orthocone or sea scorpion would be shoe-ins for a marine DLC

[warm plank]

agreement

[drowsy rapids]

Narrowing down: Elasmosaurus, Liopleurodon, Ichtyosaurus, Tylosaurus, Archelon, Dunkleosteus, Basilosaurus, Cameroceras and Pterygotus

[warm plank]

yess

[drowsy rapids]

Other wildcards I’d like: Odobenocetops, Nothosaurus, Tanystropheus, Ambulocetus, Hesperornis, Pelagornis, Thalassoconus

[warm plank]

that one tiny semi aquatic raptor too maybe??

[drowsy rapids]

Halzkaraptor?

[plush nacelle]

I wonder how people imagine aquarium DLC from gameplay perspective. I mean most often average roster consist mostly of marine giants. So are aquariums supposed to be kinda ,,late game,, thing or some species (lets say dunklo) are going to be undervalued to 1 - 2 star level

[drowsy rapids]

I think of it from the perspective of Zoo Tycoon 2 animal star ratings

Some popular but smaller creatures as one stars

The main attractions at 5

[shell sonnet]

The game's own animal balance is a bit off in some cases in terms of cost and rating; I haven't really looked at it in close detail

[drowsy rapids]

I’d put Icthyosaurus as a one star

I always play sandbox so the ratings dont mean much to me lol

[hollow flower]

Cameroceras is mid

Endoceras is the superior Nautiloid

[warm plank]

yes

[drowsy rapids]

My knowledge on prehistoric invertebrates is limited, I just know the names I am familiar with from childhood lol

[hollow flower]

Fair enough

[drowsy rapids]

I do hope there is pterosaur DLC one day

I’d love to make exhibits for those

[neat iris]

Aquarium/Semi-Aquatic Wishlist

• Mosasaurus
• Megalodon
• Dunkleosteus
• Liopleurodon
• Deinosuchus
• Sarcosuchus
• Archelon
• at least one type of plesiosaur
• at least one type of icthyosaur
• Leedsichthys
• Xiphactinus
• Hesperornis
• Eurypterus
• Anomalocaris (terrarium)
• Ammonite (terrarium)
• Trilobite (terrarium)

[shell sonnet]

No Basilosaurus should ban you from PK for about a week

Also Lio is a plesiosaur

[austere sparrow]

Basilosaurus + Dorudon is a neat duo imo

[warm plank]

confuciusornis for aviaries?

[drowsy rapids]

I think a Pterosaur DLC should be packed full of a variety of creatures: Quetzalcoatlus, Pteranodon, Hatzegopteryx, Dimorphodon, Rhamphorynchus, Pteradaustro, Dsungaripterus, Thalassadromeus, Tropegnathus, Guidraco, Anurognathus, Isitodactylus, Tupandactylus, Nyctosaurus

Put tiny ones in aviaries

Pick some extra weird ones

Plus the basics

[shell sonnet]

I already have my aviary list

Pteranodon longiceps/sternbergi
Tropeognathus mesembrinus
Tupandactylus imperator/navigans
Teratornis merriami or Argentavis magnificens
Thalassodromeus sethi
Quetzalcoatlus northropi/lawsoni/Hatzegopteryx thambema
Dsungaripterus weii
Pterodaustro guinazui
Rhamphorhynchus muensteri
Pelagornis sandersi/miocaenus/chilensis/mauretanicus

Mini
Dimorphodon macronyx
Ichthyornis dispar
Kuehneosuchus latissimus
Jeholopterus ninchengensis
Pterorhynchus wellnhoferi or Pterodactylus antiquus

[quick ore]

I still hold the opinion that if any one Pterosaur species gets added as a terrarium species it should be Pterodactylus

[drowsy rapids]

I’d honestly prefer pterosaurs and birds be separated. Pterosaurs can carry a DLC on their own

[shell sonnet]

Dimorphodon would better given that it was a walker

[austere sparrow]

Having an Aviary and a Pterosaur DLC would be some silly shit but I guess a good way to get a healthy amount of Pterosaurs

[drowsy rapids]

Especially if packed in with all the building materials for an aviary

[quick ore]

you think Pterodactylus wasn't?

also they would be terrarium animals so walking ability isn't that big of a deal

[shell sonnet]

Not as much; dimorphodon was far more suited to a terrestrial lifestyle

[austere sparrow]

Anurognathus for Pterarium Terrosaur tbh

[shell sonnet]

I have Jehol for that family

[austere sparrow]

Fair

[shell sonnet]

It's bigger for one

which helps for minis

[drowsy rapids]

Prehistoric birds can be lumped together: Kelenken, Pelagornis, Gastornis, Dodo, Confuciornis, Icthyornis, Hesperornis, Aeypeornis

[shell sonnet]

Dodo would be in recently extinct

[neat iris]

Mine’s pretty similar

• Pteranodon
• Dimorphodon
• Quetzalcoatlus
• Hatzegopteryx
• Pelagornis
• Argentavis or Teratornis
• Haast’s Eagle
• Tapejara
• Tropeognathus
• Anurognathus (terrarium)

[lean hound]

^

[shell sonnet]

Also it's not exactly prehistoric

any more than a black bear is

[drowsy rapids]

Fair, swap it for Argentavis

[quick ore]

Dodo and Aepyornis aren't prehistoric

[shell sonnet]

Hatze could probably be an alt of Quezta

[drowsy rapids]

Swap Aepyornis for Presbyornis lol

[austere sparrow]

Fun fact: Aviary DLC is better for diversity than this silly "split birds and Pterosaurs" business

Fuckit add Meganeura to it too

[shell sonnet]

I have Kuehneosuchus for variety (not a flyer but a big glider)

[drowsy rapids]

I was under the impression those 2 are too different to be synonymous

[shell sonnet]

They can be alts; just like Juxia and Paraceratherium

[neat iris]

Wait, I forgot one for my aquarium/semi-aquatic wishlist: koolasuchus

[plush nacelle]

Throw in gliding mammal while we are at it

[drowsy rapids]

I think having DLC focused on specific formations would be neat

So people could build location themed areas in their parks

Dinosaur Park DLC, Jehol DLC, LaBrea DLC, etc

[quick ore]

that can be a good idea to a point

[shell sonnet]

I'm of the opinion that focusing on clades works better; you can get alts in easier

[late swallow]

No Coelocanthiforme, maidenless

[quick ore]

I feel like that should only be reserved for like, big name formations

[drowsy rapids]

Hell Creek could carry one

[quick ore]

exactly

or La Brea

[plush nacelle]

Big name formations 😩 Rich will be getting more rich

[drowsy rapids]

Anzu, Pachycephalosaurus

[quick ore]

I just mean from a dlc standpoint

[drowsy rapids]

Dakotaraptor 🤪

[quick ore]

they aren't going to center an entire dlc pack around a formation that no one cares about

[shell sonnet]

There's really much from hell creek that's missing

Pachy, Thescleo, and Lepto are about it

[quick ore]

Denversaurus

Anzu

Archeroraptor

[neat iris]

Dinosaur wishlist

• Therizinosaurus
• Giganotosaurus
• Pachycephalosaurus
• Kentrosaurus
• Deinonychus
• Amargasaurus
• Baryonyx
• Suchomimus
• Diplodocus
• Mononykus (terrarium, sadly)

[shell sonnet]

Archeroraptor can be skipped

[quick ore]

wh

Mononykus would not be a terrarium animal what

[plush nacelle]

It would

[quick ore]

it was not that small

[plush nacelle]

Dude is comspognathus sized

[late swallow]

It was

[neat iris]

It probably would; compsognathus is going to be a terrarium animal

[late swallow]

It's kinda on the edge

[shell sonnet]

what we have of the hell creek raptor

[late swallow]

Chopsticks

[quick ore]

ok then just choose a larger alvarezsaur

[late swallow]

Mate said it was a wishlist

Mate wishes for Mononykus

[shell sonnet]

that's only Bonaparte, which is rather fragmentary; Monon is on the edge of full and mini

[steep tulip]

The hell creek one was pretty big

[late swallow]

After seeing some fuck

What's the word

RENDITIONS

[quick ore]

reconstructions

[ancient ibex]

I still stand by Dromaeosaurus being the more iconic Campano-Maastrichian NA dromie

[late swallow]

I understand the desire for Mono

[shell sonnet]

most of these aren't needed (and this is out of date; Edmontonia has been reclassified and I don't know anyone who matters that thinks Dracorex is legit)

[late swallow]

What

Okay

[neat iris]

Paleozoic/Triassic wishlist

• Edaphosaurus
• Inostrancevia
• Thrinaxodon
• Scutosaurus
• Postosuchus
• Placerias
• Estemmenosuchus
• Carboniferous bugs

[drowsy rapids]

If I had to pick anything from Hell Creek it’d be Anzu

[shell sonnet]

Lepto, Theseclo, and Pachy would be more unique

[drowsy rapids]

Its unique enough and adds another oviraptosaur to the game

I still think we get Pachy in the base game

Gut feeling

[shell sonnet]

Until there's stronger evidence than blurry text was inteperated wrong in one key area, I can't go higher than 20 %

Also, Gigantoraptor would be the better second choice for an oviraptorsaur (maybe Caudi as well)

[drowsy rapids]

First I’m hearing of this

What text

Caudipteryx would be great in a Jehol DLC

[shell sonnet]

It's from Yixian

[late swallow]

no herrera?

[obsidian crescent]

Spicomellus

[low bridge]

No no no no it's Spicymellus

Spicywatermellus

[neat iris]

Damn, forgot that one

[low bridge]

Give me Jakapil

[shell sonnet]

There was an blurry image that the devs posted of what was coming and people naturally started delving into the occult to figure out what it said; turns out they made quite an error with Diictodon

[low bridge]

Spicymarshellmelus

[late swallow]

Plus that one's archaic

[drowsy rapids]

Oviraptor in update 19, yeah things moved around all right lol

[shell sonnet]

I mean U19 was merged with U15

[late swallow]

Ovi was coming with breeding

[neat iris]

Wait, I forgot a dino

Gigantoraptor

[plush nacelle]

I mean whe you look closely at supposed diictodon there is no letter t going up so I think we deluded ourselves into that one rather than it being changed into something else

[low bridge]

We should have Syncerus Antiqqus and "Great Bubaline cave art" with It

[shell sonnet]

I mean either way (the devs changed the animal or people misread it) means to take what's also on there with a bit of salt (except Allo, Steg, Carno and Utah)

[obsidian crescent]

How meny suchus are ther

[plush nacelle]

Still think the least likely species are diictodon, kelenken, edmontonia and whatever is next to simosuchus

[low bridge]

Jakapillow

[steep tulip]

Diictodon is gone

[low bridge]

His days are gone

[steep tulip]

It either got changed with tiktaalik as the paleozoic rep, the lizard is the permian or the permian animal got scrapped

[plush nacelle]

Or maybe blur beat us

[shell sonnet]

Lizards problem is that apparently it doesn't eat insects

which actually makes it harder to guess

[late swallow]

Or does it

[shell sonnet]

You got something that works

[neat iris]

We need the iconic Australian megafauna at some point

[warm plank]

Random suggestion , but shunosaurus maybe

[shell sonnet]

We have Mutta

[warm plank]

australovenator maybe

[neat iris]

Sorry, I meant the Cenozoic ones

[warm plank]

ohhh

[shell sonnet]

So big nose wombat

[neat iris]

But yeah, australovenator too

[warm plank]

megalania?

[plush nacelle]

I am trying to fit triassic fluffers and semi aquatic mammals into it now

[low bridge]

Thylacoleo

[drowsy rapids]

Diprotodon, Megalania, Thlyacoleo

[neat iris]

Yeah, and procoptodon and thylacoleo

[shell sonnet]

Megalania is overhyped

[toxic oriole]

Diictodon is DiictoGONE?

:(

[low bridge]

It is Peltephilus

[shell sonnet]

Unless they moved it to present day U19 (have a hard time imagining U16 is going to be the only time we get minis)

[warm plank]

i see mononykus i think

[late swallow]

What's stopping it from being multivorous

[shell sonnet]

that we should be seeing its main diet on trello ideally

[late swallow]

By Simosuchus and Compsognathus?

[warm plank]

yeah

[neat iris]

We also need more African and South American Cenozoic megafauna

[late swallow]

Looks like a P or R

[late swallow]

You can ommit the word cenozoic and still be corrected

5/62

[warm plank]

isnt tiktaalik confirmed?

[shell sonnet]

yes

[late swallow]

Yerp

[warm plank]

tiktaalik , compy , yi , simosuchus , Mononykus (?)

[shell sonnet]

Yi is certainly not in that image

[late swallow]

Only the first 4 are confirmed

[warm plank]

im just listing names i know are coming

[warm plank]

this i why i put the (?) after mono

[low bridge]

If u want African Megafauna taks Crocodylus Anthropophagus&Thorbjarnarsoni, Dinofelis, Ancylotherium, Megantereon, Deinotherium, Sivatherium, Stegotetrabelodon,Hippo Gorgops, Dinopithecus, Syncerus Antiqqus, Rusingoryx, Metridiochoerus

[shell sonnet]

and all of South America will be from Argentina

[late swallow]

I could see mono coming

[low bridge]

Long list

[warm plank]

i def looks like mononykus to me

it

[neat iris]

Sivatherium, deinotherium, toxodon, macrauchenia, glyptodon, terror birds

[low bridge]

But i forget Agriotherium

[shell sonnet]

you forgot Megatherium

[neat iris]

I keep thinking megatherium is already confirmed lol

[shell sonnet]

I confess, I'm actually surprised it hasn't been

[neat iris]

Same

Kelenken is probably the most likely terror bird; it seems to be the most popular in the paleo community

Although I’d personally love phorusracos

[shell sonnet]

Would probably be my least favorite choice of the four

Beside the beak, the only reason people clamor for it is because it's the largest

[plush nacelle]

Imagine, if we found the rest of it and it wasnt the largest lul

[neat iris]

Two other huge flightless birds I’d really love to have: gastornis and giant moa

[tough marsh]

what other info do we have

[shell sonnet]

"Diatryma" giganteus might be back in it's own genus

[tough marsh]

like is it a lizard lizard or just a reptile

[shell sonnet]

From what the patreon supporters said, the insectivore is one of the dinos

[warm plank]

mononykus-

[shell sonnet]

that I don't know; who knows if Mau meant an actual Squamata or a lizard like animal

[tough marsh]

thats what im thinking

[warm plank]

diictodon got changed to tiktaalik , and mononykus is the insectivore

[tough marsh]

cause it could be permian basal synapsid

[shell sonnet]

we also know it's arboreal

[warm plank]

i see the -nykus

[shell sonnet]

which is why a non-insect diet makes it hard to figure out

[warm plank]

not sure about the rest tho

[tough marsh]

Ascendonanus

wait its an insect eater

[plush nacelle]

We really deluded ourselves into diictodon. Looking at it now

[steep tulip]

Or maybe it was scrapped

Can't say none unfortunately

[plush nacelle]

I mean there is clearly no t in middle

[shell sonnet]

Barbaturex?

No probably not

Again, I wouldn't look hard into that

[tough marsh]

thinking of arboral im thinking a drepanosaur or suminia

[steep tulip]

The blur cancels out some of the letters

[warm plank]

yeah

[steep tulip]

You can see it with compy as well
And the other confirmed bunch

[shell sonnet]

suminia actually could work; it is a herbivore

[steep tulip]

Suminia cope

[warm plank]

i think its just a wait and see situation

[steep tulip]

These ones are sorta only readable at a certain distance

Don't focus too much on closeups

[shell sonnet]

though it does stretch the meaning of "lizard"

[tough marsh]

the only other aboral are the gale trio

but thats too obscure

[steep tulip]

Very hard to not give suminia away

Like arboreal tetrapod

[tough marsh]

Patronomodon too

[steep tulip]

Arboreal amniote

That ain't that much better

That's basically the only thing other that makes me kinda suspect it

[shell sonnet]

could just use "critter" or give its time period and a generic word like "fauna"

[neat iris]

You know what else would be neat?

Andrewsarchus

[plush nacelle]

Lizard, mammal and funky dino 2 are from cenozoic so there are 15 ceno animals in base game at start 🗿

[neat iris]

I mean I know we don’t have a lot to work with on it in terms of fossils, but still

[austere sparrow]

Prediction: When the lizard is revealed, our reaction will be "Ugh, you think this counts as a lizard, Mau? If we knew this was even on the table it would have been immediately obvious!"

[bold sinew]

Random suggestion
Champsosaurus for a weird not-croc for Hell Creek

[hollow flower]

Absolut

Not just for the hell creek either

Also for paleocene representation

[austere sparrow]

Also not to be mean but Formation DLCs are hot sillystuff

"Hell Creek Pack? The hell is a Hell Creek?" - Average PK Player

"Damn, this has. Clones of Dryosaurus, Oviraptor, Protoceratops, Velociraptor and Gallimimus. And some weird crocodile? And an otter? Why the hell would I buy this?"

[hollow flower]

Dlc has to, from a monetary stand point, Stand out

Lets take for example the Cretaceous predator pack from jwe 2

[plush nacelle]

PZ players are buying ,,clones,, and it works

Not sure why it would be different with PK

[austere sparrow]

Like even if things work out. If you go for famous formation? Congrats, you already added the big tickets to the basegame/other DLC. If you go for lesser known Formations? Better roster but who the hell cares about the Formation branding.

[hollow flower]

It has Tarbosaurus, Gigantoraptor, Concavenator and Utahraptor

[digital pendant]

not the word clones on this thread 😭

[austere sparrow]

PZ players rebuy the Asian elephant/generic Flamingo once...

😭

[silver steeple]

Well, it can if the animal is scrappy enough but generally yeah

[digital pendant]

the whole thing about clones is absolutely moronic and is just out of spite from the PZ community. No one complained about such clones in older games.

for which there were many

[toxic oriole]

Yet why complain NOW?

Whats the point?

[silver steeple]

There isn't one

[digital pendant]

be quirky

[plush nacelle]

Fun word to use, what could I say. Perfect ragebait tool

[toxic oriole]

Like, what is this, some sort of bias????????

[austere sparrow]

Every animal takes devtime and resources, and clone animals means a more interesting animal is at the very least delayed.

[digital pendant]

subjective

[hollow flower]

Of these you have a dinosaur from the franchise, albeit with a fairly mediocre design. This would attract the people who want to use things from the films/shows. Gigantoraptor is very pretty and very accurate compared to most other animals, it also is omnivorous so it attracts quite alot of different people, such as accuracy enjoyers, people who want innovative animals like Jehol, Oviraptor, etc, and just the general person. Concavenator is a fan favourite, its appeared as a prop in fallen kingdom, its design is great, overall is another one that attracts just about everyone. Utahraptor is more of the same. In general this is one of the best packs frontier made for this game and thats due to how broad reaching it is in terms of audiences. The only real things that hold it back are Tarbo due to its questionable design and lack of herbis/Aquatics/Fliers

[silver steeple]

For all we know, the "clone" was already planned

Therefore never taking dev time away from anything else

[digital pendant]

ragebaiting is lame and something people that have low vitamin D do

[silver steeple]

Lmfao

[austere sparrow]

How is any of what I said subjective 😔

[digital pendant]

it is

the world doesnt revolve around your opinions being the only ones that matter

[toxic oriole]

WHY DID PEOPLE START CALLING THE WORD TROLLING AS RAGEBAITING?
ITS THE SAME THING 😭

[silver steeple]

Eh its a little different

[toxic oriole]

... No

[silver steeple]

Ragebaiting is specifically to get people mad

[toxic oriole]

I don't see an actual difference between the two

[silver steeple]

Trolling can be to get someone mad, or just otherwise annoyed

[toxic oriole]

There really isnt a difference to it

[silver steeple]

There is tho

[digital pendant]

eh same intent basically, be annoying

[silver steeple]

I just explained it

[austere sparrow]

Do you think clones taking up devtime is a matter of opinion? 🤨 Do you think "we're prioritizing another animal so this other one is delayed or cancelled" doesn't happen? 🤨

[silver steeple]

Same intent

[toxic oriole]

Its the same thing, but a company rebrand to phase out "Troll" because Dreamworks might sue them

[plush nacelle]

Imagine spending time writing whole essay on how X dog was not worthwile addition over new bird, when simply saying dumb clone can do the trick

[digital pendant]

you are reading too much into it lol

is not some conspiracy thing or anything, there is just so much that can be deemed "unique"

[late swallow]

It's really not

[hollow flower]

Now if we compare this to say, the hybrid pack, which has Ankylodocus, Stegoceratops, Spinoraptor and Spinoceratops. In here the main audience is say, fans of film/series creatures, which really theres only 1 of, that being the Spinoceratops. As for the other 3 the main audiences are people who liked the hybrids from the first game and or fans of hybrids in general and the people who want every dinosaur in the game who were always gonna buy a dlc anyway. Overall this one is sort of just lacking due to the smaller audience who would buy this pack

[austere sparrow]

Right, so you disagree with if something can be considered a clone, then, I see. Just say that please instead of scaring me into thinking you don't know what the word subjective means 😔

[digital pendant]

lots of interesting animals can be clones, i really dont see whats the issue. The term clone is vaguely and wrongly used tbh

something is only a clone if i dont like type of opinion

[hollow flower]

For the maximum profits one needs to get their dlcs to have the maximum reach of audiences

[late swallow]

wild take

[silver steeple]

Technically speaking all of PK's hadros are clones

[late swallow]

A clone is a clone

[silver steeple]

Same with the ceratopsids

[digital pendant]

are you always this argumentative? It is clearly subjective lol

[silver steeple]

Would you not say most of those are "unique"

[late swallow]

Terms been used for at least 20 years, and is used very broadly.

[toxic oriole]

Idgaf if Giganotosaurini are "Clones" of Carcharodontosaurus, THEY ARE UNIQUE IN THEIR OWN WAY, PISS OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[digital pendant]

people want a shit ton of hadrosaurs and theropods and ceratopsians which are all basically "clones"

and who cares honestly

if its cool then let be in the game

[silver steeple]

Exactly

[toxic oriole]

Velocisaurus

Because why the hell not

[hollow flower]

In pks case this could be say, Dinosaur fans, mammal fans, carnivore fans (particularly theropod fans), Herbivore fans, Terrarium fans (this ones a bit here and there), Large animal fans, Small animal fans, etc

[austere sparrow]

Anybody who likes any animal groups besides those three?

[hollow flower]

And one would need to estimate how large of a percentage does each group have in the playerbase of pk

[low bridge]

I want Panthera Fossilis

[slim flare]

Why

[shell sonnet]

It's very likely that the hybrid pack outsold the K predator

[hollow flower]

Im highly doubtful of it

[shell sonnet]

Based on review count, I would argue otherwise

[late swallow]

Not a solid metric

[hollow flower]

Its also one of the few with mostly positive in terms of reviews

[toxic oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/american-gif-23667282

Tryna ease up the tension

With random bullshit

[shell sonnet]

they pretty much all have good ratings; only Claire's sanctuary doesn't

[hollow flower]

Review counts tend to mean more negative opinions on the dlc

[plush nacelle]

I mean word clone wouldnt even become such popular in community, if Frontier was actually giving spotlight to certain groups. Easy to get angry, if your favourite animals for example are monkeys and these are not getting single new addition in over 3 years, while there is new antelope or dog every 3 months.

[shell sonnet]

The one with the highest count is Biosyn

And I'm pretty sure that sold the most

[hollow flower]

The park manager one has 98 reviews and has 93% positive reviews

[late swallow]

People are generally more likely to leave a review on something with a bad experience

[shell sonnet]

Don't rely just on steam

[digital pendant]

Most of the complaints come from the forums and discords. The fact of the matter is that the dlcs all sold decently if pz got support this long

[hollow flower]

The cretaceous predator one has 97% positive reviews and 88 reviews in total

[slim flare]

So how many slots are in U19 and how do they align with what previously knew?

[shell sonnet]

This older but the numbers haven't changed that much

[digital pendant]

Man I wish back in my day we would have had a roster as big as pz's in zt2

Really shows people this day and age all they do is complain and complain

[late swallow]

Okay grandad let's get you to the bingo hall

[digital pendant]

Uncalled for

I aint your friend for you to be joking around

[toxic oriole]

They have this condition called the "WHINEY CRYBABY DISEASE!"
It forces them to complain about everything because they are intolerable!!!!! /j

[hollow flower]

Tbf how many forms of complaints were there around back in the days of zt2

[shell sonnet]

Late K has has 80 reviews and 92 % rating (on steam, don't have access to PS and Xbox at the moment); are you suggesting it sold more than Malta which has twice as many reviews and a 75 % rating

[digital pendant]

It was rare tbh. If there were any you couldnt see them as easy because of basic social media was back then

[shell sonnet]

go to some of the forums

[austere sparrow]

See I was a ZT2 Mod users so PZ weirdass roster feels more like the patterns I expect from a modding team than the like. Only and main supplier of new species

Like, PZ has more cats than birds, and p sure they also have more bears than primates

[digital pendant]

Subjective

[hollow flower]

No

[fresh ember]

Hell, even today, I consider PZ's current roster otherwise undreamed of.

[slim flare]

PK is decent for dinosaurs besides a few missing clades probably coming by the release of U19, but mammals and obviously everything else are… lacking.

[hollow flower]

But in the case of the malta one that has 4 different movie animals + a campaign and 3 new maps

[digital pendant]

Tbh

[hollow flower]

So its probably with the biosyn expansion in having the most sales

We cant say the same for the hybrid pack which only adds 4 new hybrid creatures

[toxic oriole]

And one of them is somewhat canon

[hollow flower]

Sure they can glow and whatever but they lack the novelty of real animals

Well that too

[late swallow]

Isn't this info available on Steamdb, at least when it comes to pc users?

[austere sparrow]

"The novelty of real animals" while talking about JWE2... 🥲

[hollow flower]

Well a camarasaurus is far more real than an ankylodocus

[late swallow]

Stegoceratops looks like a toy

And not a good ine

[toxic oriole]

Toy Story?

[shell sonnet]

Again Hybrid has about 50 % more reviews than K predator, that's quite a bit

on all 3 stores

[hollow flower]

Well of course

[plush nacelle]

I wonder how PK dlc ratio is going to look like. For PZ 60% of revenue is coming from base game even few years after release

[hollow flower]

If you got a good product are you gonna go leave a review for it?

[austere sparrow]

The JWE Stegoceratops looks like if someone made a "high res" version of a toddler trying to crayon-draw an Agathaumas

[hollow flower]

Not really youl just go on with your day

Or if a product is a bit contentious you might have to say its actually not all that bad

[austere sparrow]

(Those videos are hella cute btw)

[toxic oriole]

"Secret Species"
WELL IT AINT A SECRET NOW, IS IT?

[austere sparrow]

Products beloved by their fans can still be bad tbf. Like, just look at gacha games 😔

[hollow flower]

(looking at the reviews alot of it isnt exactly something Id consider under very good reviews)

But lets ignore these reviews for the hybrid pack because theyre more or less fodder

[shell sonnet]

You're looking at one store, I'm looking at 3

[digital pendant]

I think we went far off topic. You guys can continue this convo on #off-topic

[austere sparrow]

Subjective

[hollow flower]

Fair enough

[digital pendant]

Alright thats it

[toxic oriole]

Shark

[digital pendant]

You are warned and muted for an entire day @austere sparrow

[toxic oriole]

But not just any shark

[digital pendant]

About time

[toxic oriole]

No

A uhhh

Permian Shark

[shell sonnet]

Very well then

[toxic oriole]

Eh, save it for later though

[bold sinew]

I do hope PK gets crocs in the future and a good amount

[slim flare]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/non-aliencreatures/images/2/2c/Futureshark.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110102075241

[bold sinew]

One of the cornerstones of paleohistory is all the various forms of crocs and fake crocs

[digital pendant]

Same

[toxic oriole]

Is that supposed to be THE DUNK

Or something else?

I cant even tell

I've never seen armoured sharks before

(Not like anyone could, they most likely are extinct)

Wait actually

...

Really

I look up Armoured Shark and I get Dunkleosteus

THAT AINT PERMIAN 😭

[late swallow]

Nor a shark lmao

[plush nacelle]

There is small problem with people caring only about the biggest species. Small crocs deserve love too

[bold sinew]

I agree

[toxic oriole]

Simosuchus is one of those small guys, I reckon?

[abstract compass]

simosuchus is a very good one.

[silver steeple]

Simosuchus being our first croc is actually very amusing now that I think about it

One of the least croc-like crocs lol

[plush nacelle]

I wish for solid nile croc sized croc in PK

[toxic oriole]

You could take Purussaurus or something

But uhhh

Not entirely sure on stuff