Community Species Suggestions

[steep tulip]

Are they fr going with a random true lizard

Kinda doubt it

I still think it's just lizard shaped

[shell sonnet]

I've never gone with the assumption that it was a true squamata

but then again, I was always assuming it was something like Longisquama

or Kuehneosuchus latissimus

[austere sparrow]

Wouldn't Barbaturex have been a herbivore?

It's uh. Not exactly well known but I recall people asking for it

[steep tulip]

The iguana?

[austere sparrow]

Yeah

[steep tulip]

I think

[shell sonnet]

I guess... it is on the edge of mini and full. Not sure if it's arboreal

[steep tulip]

Kind of whatever if I'm being honest

Just a lower jaw too

[austere sparrow]

I should note I remember people asking for it before devs got sick of us asking for stuff and banished us to the shame corner

[steep tulip]

I honestly have no idea so I keep coping its suminia

[austere sparrow]

Suminia would be pretty pog

[shell sonnet]

I guess that could work, but that does stretch the definition of lizard given it's a therapsid

[austere sparrow]

Holding out hope for a post launch mini update

[steep tulip]

Even the lizard like arboreal animals from the carboniferous and permian are all insectivores

[austere sparrow]

Chances are more semiaquatic minis will come at least once they start openly working on the MarineMania DLC

Yeah...

[steep tulip]

Kinda hoped for diplo

But alas

[austere sparrow]

I honestly hope we'll get a good chunk of insectivorous minis since like

How many main exhibit animals are realistically gonna be insectivores lmao

[shell sonnet]

might work for a land based paleozoic pack

[austere sparrow]

...Actually I guess maybe those two launch update insectivores are just minis, huh

[steep tulip]

Could be yeah

Like they decided to add 2 pterosaurs because they could

I imagine they would be pretty unique

[austere sparrow]

Fingers crossed for an Anurognathid lol

[steep tulip]

Anyway

[austere sparrow]

I do wonder if we'll get fully aquatic Terrariums if everything goes well

Or Aquariums, I guess lol

[shell sonnet]

probably full ones would wait for an aquatic dlc

[austere sparrow]

Yeah

Not sure what you'd even have in them though

[shell sonnet]

Aspidorhynchus
Gebrayelichthys uyenoi
Henodus chelyops or Psephoderma alpinum
Stethacanthus productus
Tullimonstrum gregarium

[steep tulip]

Aquariums wouldn't be hard to do tbh

They can do them beforehand as well

[austere sparrow]

Most aquatic extinct critters people actually know aree like. Pretty distinctly proper exhibit sized

[steep tulip]

Trilobites anomalocaris

Too

[austere sparrow]

I guess that's fair

[steep tulip]

Ammonites

I do hope we get big ones as well

For aquatic exhibits

[austere sparrow]

All the devonian-permian tiny pseudosharks

I hope for at least Baculites tbh

[steep tulip]

Aquariums could add quite a bit aesthetic wise

[shell sonnet]

Honestly, I kind imagine the mini-aquarims to be bigger than the average mini-exhibit

[austere sparrow]

Parapur might be neat too but the name is a bitchass even by paleo standards

[austere sparrow]

True

[late swallow]

I'm hype for my invert house type enclosures

[dapper sky]

Coelurosauravus could be a fun aviary species

[steep tulip]

Agreed

[austere sparrow]

I would be annoyed if Coelurosauravus doesn't get in

That's my pal Rex from Primeval

Why the fuck did they name him Rex

[steep tulip]

Because uhh
Dog

Very common dog name

[austere sparrow]

I guess?

Fucking season 4 locking him in an underground bunker with that mammoth 😭

[shell sonnet]

I prefer Kuehneosuchus over Coelurosauravus; Coelurosauravus has a length and wingspan of 35 cm, whereas Kuehneosaurus is about 72 cm in length with a wingspan of 14cm, and Kueheosuchus is supposed to be the same length but 4 times the wingspan for a total of around 56 cm

[late swallow]

I just want the little guys

[dapper sky]

It was named by one of the producers' kids lol

[plush nacelle]

Imagine starting with 2 terrarium pterosaurs and one of them is somehow not pterodactylus

[buoyant vault]

can we get kunpengopterus as a terrarium animal 🙏

[desert flame]

It's small and perfect for terrarium.

[sterile pulsar]

I know the Quagga was recently extinct compared to the others but whats a park without a Zebra 🥹

[outer crater]

it's confirmed

[lean hound]

^It's gonna be in the recently extinct dlc

[sterile pulsar]

how much will the dlc cost

[lean hound]

We don't know

It's ages away

[sterile pulsar]

oh

hopefully

[desert flame]

Probably,first DLC after EA.

[sterile pulsar]

tasmanian tiger, quagga, moa, and dodo

[lean hound]

Dlcs will come after early access

[sterile pulsar]

are in it

OH

ITS A FREE

DLC

🤯

[outer crater]

I don't think we've heard about it since the kickstarter

[fresh ember]

FTR, that is super old and doesn't reflect the current game.

[sterile pulsar]

I feel like Prehistoric Kingdom is going to succeed

[fresh ember]

So chances are it'll be paid.

[sterile pulsar]

eh

10$-15$ would be fine

20$ is insane

[outer crater]

I'm thinking the popular ones like dodo and tazzy will be added to the base game, while other recently extinct ones could be dlc

[sterile pulsar]

auk and European auroch isn't popular?

damn

[left spear]

I can agree with the Aurochs but Auk is defenitly popular enough to be base game

Tho tbh they should be dlc

[desert flame]

Stellar Sea Cows and Great Auk deserve to be in the Aquatic Creatures DLC

[left spear]

Auk makes 0 sense in an aquatic dlc

[steep tulip]

^

[left spear]

It's a penguin It can walk

Sure no diving would be weird but that may still come in u18

[shell sonnet]

Aurroch and Dodo are better known the other two I feel

[steep tulip]

Probably gonna be set animations if it comes in u18
Which is better than nothing

[left spear]

Aurochs are not a more popular choice than auks

[shell sonnet]

I think we should wait until we see what U18 entails before assuming the Auk is viable

[left spear]

Dodo yes obviously

[silver steeple]

Why on earth would Auk of all fucking things come in EA

[shell sonnet]

better known

[left spear]

But again i don't think any of the original RE should be base game

[desert flame]

That's true.
I thought it was a perfect fit because they live in the same oceanic region.

[left spear]

no one is talking about that

[silver steeple]

???

[left spear]

They didn't

RE would come after u18

[shell sonnet]

Auk's are from the Northern hemisphere

[left spear]

So diving would maybe be in the Game before RE

[shell sonnet]

heck, penguins get their name from the Auk's genera, Pinguinus

[silver steeple]

Quite literally the opposite oceanic region lmfao

[left spear]

Yeah one is from the atlantic and the other in the pacific

[silver steeple]

Well no

[left spear]

The bering sea is still pacific

[silver steeple]

Prehistoric auks made it as far as Baja California

[left spear]

Huh

Didn't know that

[silver steeple]

But we're talking about artic vs antartic

[left spear]

What happened to american auks then

[silver steeple]

Died

[left spear]

Well duh

But like any clue?

[shell sonnet]

penguins live mostly in the sourthern ocean, but we find them in the pacific next to the Galapagos and parts of Oceania and the Cape of Good Hope

[silver steeple]

Just regular climate change

[left spear]

Or humies again

[silver steeple]

Anyway

Great Auks were the last of the branch of flightless Auks

There are still Lesser Auks and Puffins today

[left spear]

Auks refers to all alcidae

[left spear]

Also weren't those pliocene auks

So not really relevant to RE

[silver steeple]

I said prehistoric for a reason

And it wasn't meant to be relevant to RE

It was to correct your statement about Auks only existing in the atlantic and penguins in the pacific

The second half also isn't true as South African penguins have been found in the atlantic

[shell sonnet]

Galápagos penguin are also found north of the equator as well

In any case, unless there's some big changes made so that large aviaries and lagoons are viable, I doubt either Haast's Eagle or Steller's Sea Cow would come in a recently extinct DLC soon after release

[left spear]

Haasts and Stellers should come in a RE part 2 after aquatics and flyers

[shell sonnet]

That assumes we get that far

[left spear]

Well let's have a little hope

Game can always flop and we get no dlcs 🤷🏻

The point of this thread is for unrealistic speculation

[slim flare]

Well DLCs you pay for

[austere sparrow]

The game flopping does seem pretty unlikely right now

[mortal talon]

How would yall feel about Toxodon being added especially with the skin from Prehistoric Park 👀

[slim flare]

But here’s the thing

How many new sales will come during launch?

[silver steeple]

Well for legal reasons they can't do the exact skin from PP

[slim flare]

(Yes you can)

[silver steeple]

But something inspired by it would be neat

[slim flare]

But Toxodon is definitely on my top list

[austere sparrow]

Love Toxodon, would want a different but inspired skin even though technically you are freely allowed to copy patterns of extinct animals as much as you want since they're un-copyrightable

[silver steeple]

Mac-Toxo-Doed multi-exhibit would be sick af

[slim flare]

Megatherium…

[silver steeple]

Mega feels like an animal that's better on its own to me

[slim flare]

Because it’ll eat the others…

[silver steeple]

Doesn't mean legal action can't be threatened

[slim flare]

They don’t care

[austere sparrow]

GGS would be nice. I think I would sometimes keep it with the rest, sometimes not, depending on my mood

[silver steeple]

I think doed and mega together is probably alright

[austere sparrow]

Since with just Doed-Mac-Toxo you can do an easy "Hoofstock" exhibit, presumably, but chances are GGS will require something more sophisticated

[silver steeple]

But unarmored stuff seems sketchy by comparison lol

Its like elephants imo

[shell sonnet]

You never know; this is a niche genre without the franchise backing of JP. On the other hand, PK definitely is punching above its weight in terms of graphics and will feature things like combat that most other indie devs that make dino park games don't go for (hence the long development cycle)

[silver steeple]

You can cohab them with other stuff but its not exactly common

[austere sparrow]

Hm. Megatherium isn't as active as elephants. 🤷‍♀️

[silver steeple]

Its not

[mortal talon]

Maybe Nigel still has some connections with the production crew you never know

[silver steeple]

But the size and power is more at play here

[silver steeple]

That doesn't really matter

[quick ore]

I will be honest I feel like if this were irl Doedicurus would be a terrible cohab species, that tail can do some real damage and I doubt they wouldn't use it flippantly

[slim flare]

Megatherium gets pissed and flips Doedicurus

[silver steeple]

Toxo and Mac can throw their weight around just as easily by that logic

[mortal talon]

Toxo also would probably be territorial so it would be a danger to other species

[quick ore]

Macrauchenia have their long legs in prime tail club territory

[silver steeple]

Yet plenty of antelopes and deer are cohabed with rhinos.....

[austere sparrow]

Toxo Mega and Doed just standing in corners of the exhibit angrily roaring at each other like this is a Jurassic World game while Macrauchenia just ragdolls back and forth between them like its a pinball machine

[slim flare]

Yes!

[silver steeple]

As long as there is enough space, plenty of "dangerous" animals are cohabed irl lol

[quick ore]

to a point

[slim flare]

Idk exactly how food types works right now but I hope Megatherium can consume meat

[silver steeple]

Why

[shell sonnet]

It shouldn't

[silver steeple]

There's no reason to believe it would

[slim flare]

We have direct evidence lol

[austere sparrow]

It would be neat if herbivores just nibbled on random corpses. Especially Ceratopsians, Deer and such

[silver steeple]

We do not

[slim flare]

Why do you think WWB did it?

[shell sonnet]

because that was an assumption

[silver steeple]

Because WWB liked to spec lmao

[mortal talon]

Wasn’t that scene considered insanely speculative?

[shell sonnet]

the whole megatherium eats meat thing is a back and forth argument that goes back centuries

[quick ore]

sure but just because they are doesnt mean they should
zebras get cohabbed a lot with other hoofstock and they terrorize other species iirc

[shell sonnet]

right now we have no evidence it does

[silver steeple]

I mean yeah that happens

But that's the inherent risk you run with literally any cohabitation ever

[austere sparrow]

Could we please have a sauce for meatlovers Megathere?

[silver steeple]

By that argument, no species should ever be cohabitated

[quick ore]

ok but i am trying to get across that some species are much more problematic than others

[silver steeple]

Some are

[austere sparrow]

🍝 🍕 🍔

[silver steeple]

And yet it is still done

Commonly even in some cases

[slim flare]

@silver steeple @shell sonnet @mortal talon

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229767766_Bipedalism_and_quadrupedalism_in_Megatherium_An_attempt_at_biomechanical_reconstruction

[quick ore]

yeah and people disagree with it because it can be bad to the point of negligence

[shell sonnet]

this is also a game, not real life, the devs could make mixing a problem for some herbs that have weapons, but we probably won't get an answer for that until U17

[silver steeple]

If it were bad enough the AZA wouldn't allow it

They have an entire handbook on cohabitatable species and examples of zoos where it has been proven to work

[quick ore]

that's assuming the AZA is infallible

[austere sparrow]

Holy shit sauce with meat

[silver steeple]

Its not

[mortal talon]

Interesting I always loved that scene in WWB so glad there’s some evidence for it!

[shell sonnet]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1342937X16304944?via%3Dihub
Yeah, I'm going to trust the paper that's actually about the diet for these animals

[austere sparrow]

: "Where's the meat SAUCE!"

[silver steeple]

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5302324de4b07a6f6407cbb5/t/593b2d5503596e06e974de37/1497050667464/AZA+Ungulate+TAGs+Mixed-Species+Manual+2017.final.pdf

[mortal talon]

To be fair the megatherium could have eaten bones like giraffes and deer sometimes do to get minerals

[silver steeple]

Doesn't make it a carnivore

[shell sonnet]

Yes, and we see deer and horses eat tiny birds, that doesn't mean they have a carnivorous diet per say

[quick ore]

this doesn't really give details about what happens with said cohabs

[mortal talon]

Not saying it does, just saying that could be an explanation for the other article

[austere sparrow]

PK chat discovers the concept of herbivores engaging in a little trolling predation

[silver steeple]

Its not supposed to

Its simply that they are species that work together in an exhibit without negative outcomes for either species

[quick ore]

sure and I agree

but in some cases those are overlooked or ignored

thats my main point

[silver steeple]

In a very very small percentage sure that happens

Animals gonna animal

As said its an inherent risk you run with any cohabitation

[shell sonnet]

And this is a game, they're probably not going to care about those edge cases

[silver steeple]

^

Unless something is actively wrong in the exhibit, like lets say its overcrowded, they shouldn't really be fighting each other

[quick ore]

fair

I think ultimately my main point is that at least Doedicurus feels like irl it would be too dangerous to keep with other species

[silver steeple]

Potentially

But so would rhinos generally

But they are still cohabed

[open heron]

Austroraptor has been a bird for ten minutes and nobody's brought it up again, I am disappointed in all of you. /j

[silver steeple]

This assumes that the phylogeny holds up to scrutiny

[shell sonnet]

At the end of the day, I think it's more work for the devs to make it so that Anky can fight, let alone injure, Trike and Eddie to the point it's not worth the effort. If it happens, it happens but that's it.

[mortal talon]

Yeah like the devs said to someone on the main chat that was asking about all these crazy elements “we need to lower your expectations”

[buoyant vault]

IT HAS LITTLE THUMBS TOO

I LOVE THEM SO MUCH

[buoyant vault]

WHERE DID YOU FIND THIS

[shell sonnet]

it was on the kickstarter page

[buoyant vault]

Thank you, my friend. I will put this information to good use.

[silk bough]

gigantopithecus please

[quick ore]

devs said they would rather not add apes/monkeys iirc

due to facial complexity

[plush nacelle]

6 years old comment

[quick ore]

oh fr

my bad

[plush nacelle]

Most recent one from Mau is: I like monkeys

[quick ore]

Well in that case imo I would rather not have Gigantopithecus. This game prioritizes accuracy and I feel like species from very fragmentary remains would be a misstep.

Like adding Gigantopithecus would be like adding Andrewsarchus

[plush nacelle]

Overhyped jaw. Cant stand chance against my goated darwinius

[digital pendant]

since when the game prioritizes accuracy?

[quick ore]

um

have you looked at it?

[digital pendant]

the animals are more updated and realistic of course, but its never claimed to be the most accurate nor aim strictly towards that

[quick ore]

has any species thus far been added that has only been known from fragmentary remains with few close relatives to go off of?

[buoyant vault]

i think back when pk gave rex lips i was on some stairs and i jumped for joy and ended up slipping and falling down a few steps

[fresh ember]

Argentinosaurus.

[digital pendant]

yes argent

[buoyant vault]

i wasnt injured beyond being sore thankfully

[digital pendant]

carcharodontosaurus as well

[plush nacelle]

Gigantopithecus has sivapithecus in theory to base off.

[fresh ember]

FTR, that wasn't even done out of mass fan request. That was done on a whim.

[silk bough]

I know someone who’s a super good PZ builder so he said when there’s a primate he’ll play lmao

[quick ore]

oh huh, wasn't aware of that

[buoyant vault]

can we get the giant cuban owl (ornimegalonyx)

[quick ore]

is Argentinosaurus really that big of a stretch? we have other related titanosaurus with good material

same with Carchara

[digital pendant]

yes

about the same stretch as making a gigantopithecus

[quick ore]

hrmm, ok then

I guess you make a good point

[silver steeple]

Idk Argent isn't that incomplete

[plush nacelle]

Thing is people expect something similar to gorilla or big foot rather than actual gigantopithecus, which would look like big ape macaque

[quick ore]

I will say though, if they devs do add Gigantopithecus I hope they add Archaeoindris as well

[quick ore]

would be a good way to round out primates as a whole

[fresh ember]

People also expect an overgrown orangutan.

[quick ore]

wait it isnt being reconstructed as looking like a big orangutan?

I have never seen paleoart of it that didnt just look like a giant Orangutan

[fresh ember]

My problem with that is that Giganto is about as related to orangutans as chimpanzees are to gorillas. And the differences between those two are night and day.

[steep tulip]

I would have been cool with it but there's no other animal from giganto formation worth adding
Not like I would hate its inclusion or anything, I will probably use it, just not a whole lot

[plush nacelle]

You know PZ orangutan?

[silk bough]

Just make it walk like a gorilla

[digital pendant]

colors are bit whack imo (commissioner's request), but anatomy wise it would have been smth like this imo

[quick ore]

yeah?

[quick ore]

Sivatherium? Megalochelys?

[plush nacelle]

Then something like this. Gorilla, but with orangutan features

[digital pendant]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/prehistoric-wiki/images/c/c0/FPdL2LwXwAcJ-Ui.png/revision/latest?cb=20220409143633

[silk bough]

See that be so cool to have

[quick ore]

why do I get the feeling that its coloration was chosen just because of its species name

[steep tulip]

Aren't those found elsewhere

[digital pendant]

what

[quick ore]

blacki

black coloration

sorta like people reconstructing Pyroraptor with red feathers

[mortal talon]

We can thank Dinosaur Planet for that one lol

[fresh ember]

Most apes are already black-furred.

[quick ore]

yes but all the same they lived alongside Giganto so it isn't that much of an island

[digital pendant]

you know thats after someone's last name right...

[plain knoll]

will albertosaurus maybe get added to a game at some point?

[digital pendant]

and black is a very common ape coloration so

[silver steeple]

Pretty sure the coloration is just based on gorillas lol

[plush nacelle]

Primate rep will be good, if PK delivers basal primates and something from madagascar

[silver steeple]

With the orange thrown in for orang lineage consideration

[steep tulip]

Did it live with stegodon

[digital pendant]

most apes are black tbh

[silver steeple]

Yeah

I just remember something being said about gorillas specifically when reading through convos with the commisioner

[quick ore]

yes

what I am saying is

the artist may have made it black in color for said reason

[digital pendant]

oh i know what you are saying, is just an odd remark

[quick ore]

oh, sorry

[steep tulip]

Meant more like environment wise
Tho ig interactions wouldn't have been impossible

At least sivatherium

Idk where the turtle lived but I doubt it was forested environments

As I said maybe stegodon did but not too sure

[mortal talon]

Would you all like to see Deinotherium or Platybelodon in the game??

[silver steeple]

Both

[buoyant vault]

absolutely

[steep tulip]

Yeah they are different enough where they don't really have to compete with each other inclusion lol

[mortal talon]

Oh I didn’t mean either or I just wanted to see if they were both wanted species lol, personally I’d love mastodons and a Colombian Mammoth

[plush nacelle]

This is gigantopithecus fauna

Basically very modern, but there is also chalicothere

[quick ore]

its range was quite extensive

[steep tulip]

Oh stegodon is there as well

[quick ore]

I doubt it was that strict

[quick ore]

lol why is the "Panthera sp." image of a Cheetah

[steep tulip]

Idk
It was a very big turtle
I find it hard to believe it moved frequently inside forests

[quick ore]

why

[silver steeple]

Still wild to me that Chalicotheres made it to the pleistocene

[quick ore]

plenty of large species live in forests

even those larger than it

[mortal talon]

Would love to see a few of them added to the game

[quick ore]

yeah or at least 1

[silver steeple]

Not really sure what that has to do with it but yeah

[steep tulip]

Yeah but tortoises aren't really built for it

[quick ore]

i was referring to the tortoise

[silver steeple]

Oh my b

[steep tulip]

At least ones this large

[quick ore]

says who?

[steep tulip]

I do

[quick ore]

Aldabra giant tortoises used to be found in madagascar

[silver steeple]

There are some large mainland tortoises in the pleistocene

Even in NA

[quick ore]

duh I mean besides you like what evidence is there actually saying that forests are a limiter for them in size

[digital pendant]

Galapagos tortoise live in dense forests

Idk why megalochelys wouldnt be found inside the very common forests of its range and time 😂

[quick ore]

I mean it was built like a tank idk why moving through forests would even be much of an issue at all

for all we know it could have been an ecosystem engineer in some capacity

[toxic oriole]

Hmmm

Sharks

[steep tulip]

Idk I feel like its different
Like galapagos tortoises spend a lot of their time basking in open plains
But fair enough

[toxic oriole]

Might try to make concept art for how A shark would look in PK

Or at least how the designers would try it

Specific shark? I need to decide

[plush nacelle]

What about southeast asian megalochelys being average turtle sized?

[quick ore]

and given it lived alongside larger forest living species they may have even helped shape the forest paths it would have used

[quick ore]

that just feels like you are going off of the vibes of some images you have seen

[steep tulip]

For what

[quick ore]

plus they are doing that because they can, not because they have to

[steep tulip]

Galapagos tortoises?

[quick ore]

giant tortoises as a whole

[steep tulip]

They literally need to bask in the sun or die because they can't digest their food
Its how reptiles work
And this is no small lizard

[silk bough]

PZ. Moders just made one lol

[faint oak]

i will continue to stan paradolichopithecus as a monkey pick

[quick ore]

do you think herbivorous reptiles can't digest their food in forests?

[faint oak]

big walkie monkey goblins

look into his eyes and say he wouldnt be goated

coolass monke

and has really high skin potential

cause monke

[steep tulip]

Well I imagine they would have a hard time with it if they were living in the middle of it
That's all Im saying

[slim flare]

I mean that’s not contradictory

[digital pendant]

rainforests do have clearings and arent a giant shaded carpet of trees

especially with stegodon around

[slim flare]

Impossible

[faint oak]

sadly rainforests would have not had paradolichopithecus in them as they were an open habitat animal 🥀

very sad

but maybe the peekay could have the paradolichopithecus instead...?

much to think about

like and share

[silver steeple]

Biped baboon funny

Bro is a man

[faint oak]

tfw these guys would have met some early humans

imagine walking around and you see one of these dogheaded goobers

and then they jump your ass and beat you with sticks

(deserved)

[low bridge]

Dinopithecus better than Gigantopithecus

[left spear]

Don't know if that feeling would have manifested yet but It must have been uncanny as fuck

[faint oak]

silly gnomes

doggits

[quick ore]

Dinopithecus is hard carried by edgy paleoart

[left spear]

A shit ton of animals are

[quick ore]

not to its extent imo

[left spear]

As much as i love Omnidens It would be a pretty boring mini to watch, absolutely hard carried by art (i still want It)

[hollow flower]

Now I want a top 3 of the most carried extinct genera due to edgy art

[slim flare]

Would it even be possible to make a definitive Mesozoic bird species list like the rest of Dinosauria?

[low bridge]

We should focus more on oligocene,miocene,eocene

[left spear]

Diabloceratops, Omnidens and the third option is very disputed

[quick ore]

Dinopithecus

[left spear]

I don't see why not

[hollow flower]

Id say Dinopithecus myself

[shell sonnet]

It is evidence that there's no need to make Megatherium a carnivore in game; it's not like Megaloceras is one despite ungulates occasionally eating small birds

[hollow flower]

Diablo has more to it than that though

[slim flare]

Probably

[hollow flower]

Speaking of I wonder why frontier chose Lokiceratops over Diablo

[slim flare]

Depends on a lot of data we just don’t have

[left spear]

I mean does It?, and the cool horns don't really count since that's what is manifested in the art

[late swallow]

You could just say Neogene instead of listing the epochs, a lot less typing

[shell sonnet]

Newer

[left spear]

I like diablo but i think it's a tad overrated

[hollow flower]

Fair enough

[low bridge]

Scarier than baboon, 80 kg ape menace

[hollow flower]

This might be a hot take but I always felt Diablo is carried by the isle

[shell sonnet]

It wouldn't be the only one

[slim flare]

Isn’t there like a billion of them?

[late swallow]

Though, they're not all in one era

[left spear]

0° Kelvin take

[hollow flower]

Fair enough

[shell sonnet]

See also Shant and Dakotaraptor

[left spear]

Well yeah but tbh a lot of them are very samey, unless you count things like Anchiornis and Micro as birds

[low bridge]

Dakota ain't real

[hollow flower]

Shant has a fair enough reason to not be carried by the isle due to its mass

Dakota though is mostly just Saurian

[shell sonnet]

It is on the Isle

[late swallow]

I would say Diabloceratops is carried by it's face

[quick ore]

you see this is exactly what I am talking about, can you say anything interesting about Dinopithecus without mentioning it being scary

[left spear]

Most of them would be minis so you can have more of them in the list

[left spear]

And the name

[late swallow]

Like I had no idea about it being in the isle
-# mainly because I go outside

[left spear]

Yeah shant is not as interesting as people think can still hold on it's own, same can't be said about dakota

[hollow flower]

Diablo is a real classic of that game

[left spear]

Also i don't get the hate towards Dino suv sims, let people play what they want

[hollow flower]

I remember way back in the mid 2010s seeing it in ancient isle videos

[faint oak]

Big mungi 🙏

Do you know who else is a big mungi..?

[late swallow]

The isl3 is just bad

[quick ore]

me 💯

[hollow flower]

Give or take

[faint oak]

The goat Paradolichopithecus

Close!

[hollow flower]

Im not a fan anymore but it definetly has its merits

[quick ore]

lemur is better than monkey

[left spear]

I mean for TI fair, but a lot of the server has a massive hate boner for all Dino suv sims

[faint oak]

Why the long face? Cause it looks epic 🙏

[low bridge]

We need "Greatest Beast" in game or "Man Eater" Croc 😶😶

[faint oak]

Look at those chompers

[digital pendant]

Okay but consider

[left spear]

Crocodylus is cool

[plush nacelle]

South American monkey obviously would be based

[faint oak]

A glorious companion for the Paradolichopithecus

They shall be friends

[left spear]

Why does it have that face

[digital pendant]

Probably farting

[late swallow]

What animals?

[left spear]

Crocodylus anthropophagus and the other idk

For crocodylus i prefer thorbjarnarsoni but i like both

[faint oak]

There are better crocs imo

[left spear]

Only way we are gonna get any medium sized regular croc tbh

[low bridge]

First is Megistotherium

Ngorora Beast

[faint oak]

If you’re gonna do a croc I’d rather go for the big guys or Kapro

[left spear]

I would mostly want them as stand ins for generic crocs

[faint oak]

And the mighty Paradolichopithecus

[left spear]

They would be stupidly versatile

[late swallow]

Like the Eusuchian Deinosuchus

[quick ore]

Kapro is hard carried by outdated paleoart

[faint oak]

Real kapro is still very cool

[left spear]

Eh

[late swallow]

Could you please use the genera or binomen? Translating them raw makes them almost unidentifiable

[left spear]

I would prefer Quinkana for a long legged croc

[low bridge]

Sometimes medium things work better

[quick ore]

real Kapro just has a funky head, not as interesting as other crocs

[faint oak]

Yall are tripping this slaps

[left spear]

Or Mahanjasuchus

[tidal estuary]

aetosaur

[low bridge]

Take Barinasuchus

[late swallow]

Desmato my beloved

[low bridge]

Take HIM

[buoyant vault]

I NEED BARINA

[faint oak]

Maha is also cool

[left spear]

Quinkana or Mahajansuchus would still be better, they have formation mates

[low bridge]

What about Rhamphosuchus?

[faint oak]

Quinkana is ass sadly 🥀

[low bridge]

Or Astorgosuchus Bugt

[buoyant vault]

rhampho would be nice

[low bridge]

This big croc from Paraceratherium Bugtiense formation

[faint oak]

Kapro has really high name recognition

Maha is epic but Kapro has the popularity edge

Would love both

Almost as much as I would love the goat himself Paradolichopithecus

🙏

[left spear]

A paki croc would be cool but this ain't it

[faint oak]

That’s far less material than the Paradolichopithecus

[buoyant vault]

how would we feel about ogresuchus

[low bridge]

So replace with Rhamphosuchus

Better choice

[plush nacelle]

My goat borealosuchus obviously the best

[left spear]

Ogre is a super nice mini

It's a sebecid so even better

And more iberian rep which is always nice

[low bridge]

I thinked,that u haved ogres in mind

Lollll

[buoyant vault]

YEA

[left spear]

Ogres my lord

[plush nacelle]

Ogresuchus over araripesuchus 😔

[buoyant vault]

for mini species i want ogre and kunpengopterus over most things

[toxic oriole]

Eh

[low bridge]

Thailacosmilus is needed

[left spear]

Araripe is just ogre with a more boring head

[plush nacelle]

Lmao

[left spear]

Another animal that gets carried by that one paleoart piece

It's also not a sebecid which makes It automatically less cool

[toxic oriole]

Goofy as hell

[low bridge]

Take Fasolasuchus

[plush nacelle]

What does it even mean. Araripesuchus looks like this

[low bridge]

Saurosuchus, Prestosuchus

[left spear]

Otodus megalodon i see

[left spear]

Didn't say otherwise

[toxic oriole]

Yeah I did say I would try concept art for HOW they could look

[left spear]

But if that art didn't exist no one would know what araripe is

[toxic oriole]

But I am deciding on how I could make the shark look good yet also remain accurate

[left spear]

Ogre is much more interesting in essentially everything

[plush nacelle]

No one know what ogre is

[left spear]

No one knows what Juxia is yet it's one of the best animals in the game

Popularity arguments are trash, why do people use them

[quick ore]

how many Pseudosuchians do we honestly think will get added to the game at all

[plush nacelle]

Meanwhile araripe species are found in candaleros, crato, elhraz and maevarano

[left spear]

Why he looking like that

[low bridge]

Wrong image

[toxic oriole]

Y'know what nevermind, I'll keep it as this

[toxic oriole]

So what patterns or colorations could be done?

[buoyant vault]

can we get sylviornis 🙏

[left spear]

Unfathomably based

Second best NC animal

[buoyant vault]

OOOH HOW ABOUT a wobbegong meg??? probably not very realistic but itd be cool

[toxic oriole]

Well I have the base done

So if you wanna do it, go ahead

Or redraw it

Oh, right

[buoyant vault]

my favorite is the crested gecko but im REALLY biased

sylvi is a close second tho

on another note i feel like oryctodromeus could be nice but thats only because of supposed burrowing behavior

it looks cool tho

[low bridge]

We have possible sister Taxa to Ourano from Island of Wide

[silver steeple]

Wight

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[low bridge]

Sivatherium Maurisium is something that everyone wants

[buoyant vault]

i would LOVE sivatherium

speaking of mammals i gotta start giving more love to them in my parks

[faint oak]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1351263953845751929/1408541212650115244/747E8BD4-A784-4747-B805-786BD467F667.mov?ex=68aa1dba&is=68a8cc3a&hm=9005b33ca423dd6fe7d1952d45f7b9c0d9566cc84612ba11317bb3085c0280ba&

Mighty Paradolichopithecus

[low bridge]

Breeding?

[buoyant vault]

no no like

actually using them in my parks lol

[low bridge]

Behind the corner it is

[neat iris]

An aquatic expansion for this game wouldn’t be complete without mosasaurus, megalodon, and dunkleosteus imo

[buoyant vault]

ive been biased toward dinosaurs ever since the ripe old age of two i NEED to show mammals more respect

[slim flare]

I wish the devs would

[buoyant vault]

phosphorosaurus

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-daring-today-spongebob-spongebob-meme-daring-today-arent-we-gif-23808696

[late swallow]

I'm gonna need 5-7 business days to find mammals I actually think I'd care enough about to add

[faint oak]

The Paradolichopithecus

[buoyant vault]

juxia

uhhh

uhhhhhhhhh

[faint oak]

https://youtu.be/xTc_kQU-hzw?si=DVaRcp5sq_7VOjsU

[buoyant vault]

the one with the really big canines

[faint oak]

Look at him

[buoyant vault]

I LOVE HIM

[faint oak]

Gooooood

The walker

Is nearly Dinopithecus sized too

[late swallow]

I was talking about ones noy in the game yet

[buoyant vault]

oh…..

[late swallow]

And I can't think of a bloody one

[buoyant vault]

Giraffe

[faint oak]

Mungi

[neat iris]

I’d go with sivatherium

[faint oak]

He so cool

Peak even

Very high skin potential too

[late swallow]

Yeah I really... don't have any skin in Giraffidae

[low bridge]

Climacoceras is neat as giraffoid

Ladder Horn

[neat iris]

Discokeryx would be pretty neat

But I’m all in for sivatherium

Giant okapi with moose antlers

[faint oak]

I see you

You cannot ignore peak forever….

[silver steeple]

Then you must not be thinking about it very hard

[flint sable]

any ground slothe is right there

[late swallow]

Did yall miss the qualifier

[late swallow]

.

[faint oak]

Mungi

[buoyant vault]

Elephant

[slim flare]

Mesozoic Avians and adjacent enough:
Vegavis
Ichthyornis
Hesperornis
Confuciusornis
Archaeopteryx
Anchiornis

Forgot Jeholornis

[faint oak]

Falcatakely and Avisaurus

And there’s a bunch of really cool Chinese ones

Yuanchuavis

feitianius

[left spear]

Sparrow

[austere sparrow]

No Austro- and Halszkaraptor? :V

[tidal flame]

Isn’t saurophaganax a chimera?

[late swallow]

Technically yes, we are receiving A. anax as Saurophaganax however

[tidal flame]

So are we getting sauro as one of the specimens the chimera was made from or the actual sauro itself even though it’s dubious

[silver steeple]

Buy the artbook and find out

[tidal flame]

Nvm did some digging and don’t need to buy the artbook

[late swallow]

Should still buy the artbook

Good stuff in there

[tidal flame]

I did look at it

It looks nice

[autumn plover]

we're getting a large Allosaurus looking animal

it used to be called Saurophaganax irl, now it's called Allosaurus anax

it used to be called Saurophaganax in-game, it will still be called Saurophaganax in-game

[neat iris]

Gigantoraptor plz devs

Basically a giant oviraptor

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

[late swallow]

Gigantoraptor is v cool

[silver steeple]

I'd love Gigantoraptor

[late swallow]

Liked what jwe did with it, but very interested to see what pk could pull

[slim flare]

#1360542295228944414 message

[shell sonnet]

Gigantoraptor plus Bactorsaurus and Neimongosaurus would make a nice Iren Dabasu exhibit

[neat iris]

Giganto with protoceratops, psittaco, and galli works too

[shell sonnet]

Giganto isn't from Mongolia

[neat iris]

No? Where is it from?

[shell sonnet]

Across the border in China

[ancient ibex]

That's less meaningful than living 20 million years before the others

[shell sonnet]

I was going to mention that

[ancient ibex]

Seriously, national borders are an utter thing to fixate there

[slim flare]

Wait did the fishing Dromaeosaurs drop out?

[feral cedar]

Gigantoraptor is from Inner Mongolia, which… I dunno I think it still counts

[ancient ibex]

https://x.com/Tomozaurus/status/1959032659100762547

Tom Parker (@Tomozaurus)

Why is everyone all of a sudden acting like this same group of researchers haven't been proposing essentially this same relationship among paravians for more than 10 years now?

X · Aug 22, 2025, 11:19 PM

[slim flare]

Ah

[austere sparrow]

I hope the devs make Gigantoraptor actually look hefty if they add it

[slim flare]

People trust new research too quickly and fully sometimes, unless it’s unquestionable

[austere sparrow]

A lot of the current Gigantoraptors in gaming just look like they were meant to be a like, Citipati or Anzu sized animal that got upscaled

[ancient ibex]

TTBT, Unenlagians as "the fishing dromaeosaurs" is not a good approach to them

Deep split and not even consistently clading with them

[slim flare]

The horse-faced Dromaeosaurs

[ancient ibex]

Dromaeosauridae and Troodontidae being stem based was just asking for trouble

[feral cedar]

why is there even pushback from dino fans on this?

It’s not like their fish eater Austroraptor has been “nerfed” or whatever they say

[slim flare]

I’ve always heard of Austro and friends being Dromaeosaurs and I thought them being outside was more fringe

[ancient ibex]

Because dino fans are morons

I'm sorry but fans of all sorts are so prone to jumping the gun and talking before reading that it gets grating

[slim flare]

Yeah I feel the appropriate way to discuss it is “x is traditionally like this, although a recent study found it to be like this instead”

[feral cedar]

I think it’s a hipster thing

“Heh, MY favorite dromaeosaur is a fish eater, not the overrated pack hunter stereotype”

[slim flare]

I’m still bummed Heterodontosaurs aren’t basal Pachycephalosaurs

[shell sonnet]

I'm not

[feral cedar]

now that their favorite dromaeosaur is not a dromaeosaur they don’t like that

[austere sparrow]

I kinda understand the people being upsetti about animals getting their names zapped to a degree but getting mad about clade movement just seems silly, especially when like. Buitreraptor will still be the reconstructive basis for Unenlagiines, nothing is changing here either way lmfao

[ancient ibex]

The issue with Dromaeosaurs (and Troodontids) is that they were defined when the tree looked like this, and thus definition was stem-based, and related to each other and birds; Deinonychosauria is Deinonychus+Troodon without birds, Dromaeosaurs are Dromaeo>Troodon, Troodontidae is Troodon>Dromaeo... and they we found out a TON of stuff in either stem

[austere sparrow]

I utterly love you not including Troodon in Troodontidae, but if my inability to remember timelines properly isn't failing me that's not wrong I guess

[ancient ibex]

(There were a few more mongolian taxa I believe, but either very close to Saurornithoides, or poorly understood on the dromie side)

It was during the fuzzy years I believe

[shell sonnet]

So the 70's

[feral cedar]

can’t open the paper from my phone rn

are halszkaraptorines also moved

?

[shell sonnet]

if we trust their conclusions, then, yes

[ancient ibex]

80s

Deinonychosauria was erected as a clade in 1986 by Gaulthier himself, the "Stenonychosaurus is Troodon and Saurornithoidiids are thus Troodontids" move was in 1987

[austere sparrow]

Halsies are sisters to the Un-un-uns yeah

[ancient ibex]

Unenlagiidae is more useful ngl

At the end of the day, Troodontidae was meant for Troodontinae, and Dromaeosauridae was meant for Eudromaeosauria

At the end of the day, and throw in Jinfengopterygidae as well

[feral cedar]

So this means Unenlagiinae gets "promoted" to Unenlagiidae and Halszkaraptorinae is now a subfamily within that family? Cool

[ancient ibex]

You can do it

If you name a subfamily you automatically name a family if you desire

[feral cedar]

Austroraptoridae?

heheh

Or Buitreraptoridae since it's the most complete one

[ancient ibex]

Nobody has erected that, and that may be incomplete and troublesome

But, for example, if you used Albertosauridae, that would be a clade named by Currie et al in 2003 when they defined Albertosaurinae

(and, ofc, you'd be limiting it to its contents, priority rules above genus are murkier)

[feral cedar]

I see

Regardless, it's interesting to see unenlagians being found as closer to birds than dromaeosaurs

[slim flare]

Halszkaraptorinae might be a subfamily of Unenlahiidae

[feral cedar]

And it's stupid that dinosaur fans push back against this even though nothing about unenlagians really changed

[austere sparrow]

I guess Dromaeosaurs are cool epic dinosaurs and Birds are stinky boring dinosaurs

[sinful coyote]

it's a consequence of people treating dinosaurs as a fandom, and new information as retcons

[ancient ibex]

Archaeopteryx-like animals radiating, and modern birds being the part of that radiation that made it through the impact, while 2 eudromie lineages, troodontines, perhaps 2 unenlagian lineages, whatever Balaur and Rahonavis may be, a massive enant assemblage, and the 2 lineages of toothy close relatives of modern birds, didn't manage

Paleognaths may have already diversified by then, galloansares had and multiple lineages of fowl made it through the K-Pg, and neoaves had not diversified but exploded in the paleogenecene

[flint sable]

Neoaves had probably diversified to an extent already, since theres a decent chance that some bird lineages like Penguins have origins that far back (partially due to the earliest penguins being from only 2 million or so years after the impact iirc and already being super developed, in addition to the molecular clock sugguesting a cretaceous origin for the clade)

or at the very least split that far back

but still though, thats really cool what Avialae was doing

[ancient ibex]

Penguins are deeply nested within aequornithes, and birds are prone to convergent and parallel evo

The stem of neornithes had to be present in the Cretaceous because, well, galloansareans are

But we have had plenty of "Hell Creek plover" cases, and basically every paleornithologist finds the radiation being post K-Pg, and VERY rapid

There is a reason we don't have a consensus phylogeny on those, it is hard to get resolution if diversification was fast

[neat iris]

The game needs more South American megafauna

[ancient ibex]

Needs more SA stuff

[neat iris]

Toxodon, macrauchenia, etc.

[ancient ibex]

Can't really have Argentino and Smilodon populator as a mixed SA habitat lol

[flint sable]

I mean

hear me out

[austere sparrow]

If rhinos and cheetah's can have mixed habitats, Argentino and Smilo can

[shell sonnet]

Toxodon, Glyptodon, Phorusrhacos, Megatherium

[flint sable]

it would probably be unethical but you possibly could

the only risk would really be argentinos crushing the smilodon

which could definitely happen

but a smilodon isnt doing jack shit to an adult argentinosaurus

[austere sparrow]

If the dumbass cat refuses to move its ass that's just natural selection at work

[ancient ibex]

Oh yeah, but it is quite weird lol

[austere sparrow]

Should've just put up a "don't tread on me" flag and then gotten flattened anyway because Argent can't read

[ancient ibex]

Argentino babies may not have fun tho

[austere sparrow]

...Actually if Argent could read it would probably flatten libertarian Smilo on purpose 🤔

Rip Argent babies

[ancient ibex]

Libertarians and Argentina... politics are to be avoided in the server, but cannot oppose a titanosaur

[shell sonnet]

Herrerasaurus ischigualastensis
Carnotaurus sastrei
Piatnitzkysaurus floresi
Megaraptor namunhuaiquii
Austroraptor cabazai
Patagosaurus fariasi
Amargasaurus cazaui
Saltasaurus loricatus
would be great choices for SA dinos, Giga as well but we have Carchadont filling in its slot at the moment

[ancient ibex]

Eoraptor as well

[outer crater]

It’s in the part of Mongolia thats within China’s border (the region known as Mongolia, not the modern country)

[shell sonnet]

I know...

[silver steeple]

*Inner Mongolia

[ancient ibex]

Giga would be quite comparatively low effort for its popularity

[austere sparrow]

If Piatnizkysaurus gets added I want an easter egg where Kosemens disembodied floating head spits on it

[silver steeple]

Wuh

[shell sonnet]

Piatnizky could get a Marshosaurus alt, which would be another therapod for Morrison

[ancient ibex]

Honestly, dude is a Gasosaurus case

[austere sparrow]

Yeah, Morrison is gonna desperately need more Theropods by that point

[neat iris]

Perfect

[shell sonnet]

That as well, it's hard to narrow Sauropods down to 15 main ones (unlike Marginocephalians)

[flint sable]

vro got blowed up

[austere sparrow]

Wondering if we should add more animals named after important paleontologists as a sort of shoutout. 🤔

...I admit it I am fully just suggesting this as a way to sneak Bonapartenykus into the game

Beeeg anteaterbirb

[shell sonnet]

Marshosaurus is likely smaller than Certa, so it gives the place something between that and Orintholestes

(Morrison just has a lot of good animals)

[austere sparrow]

Oh yeah, forgot we absolutely also still need Ornitholestes. And Stokesosaurus for the Zoo Tycoon 2 reference.

[shell sonnet]

Oh I could live without Stokeosaurus

[austere sparrow]

Morrisonic Kingdom

[shell sonnet]

Such a random ass choice; "hey, let's skip Allosaurus and choose this fragmentary nobody and give it painting skills because stoke looks like strokes"

[ancient ibex]

That's what stokesosaurs are for

[neat iris]

“Also, let’s have a mastodon instead of a mammoth, even though a mammoth would be the obvious choice, and there’s a mammoth on the cover.”

[austere sparrow]

ZT2 EA was some goofy shit in general

Like giant warthog is like. Reskin animal sure... Except it has a whole ass unqiue model for some reason

[neat iris]

Apparently they were originally going to have brachiosaurus and some kind of hadrosaur

[ancient ibex]

Hipster crap as a rule, that kinda worked with the game 3 years before but was quite meh after the previous expansions

[austere sparrow]

Tyrannosaurus, the Ceratopsians and Carnotaurus were in the Dino Danger mini pack and like. They got a remake but still. The only dinosaurs EA added were fucking Stoke, Three Raptors, Three Dromaeosaurs, Three Thyreophorans, "I can't believe it's not Archaeopteryx" and a couple recently extinct birds if you want to count those

...Wait I said three Raptors twice oops

[shell sonnet]

I'm only suggesting Marshosaurus as an alt for Piatnizky; Stokes would need to be a new model and well, somethings gotta budge if when you're trying to think of 40 must have therapods

[austere sparrow]

Sleep deprivation and fever and refusal to proofread your posts before hitting enter is a fucky wucky combo lol

[ancient ibex]

Take care of yourself

[austere sparrow]

I really should, lol

[neat iris]

I would have traded the mastodon, giant warthog, warrah, bluebuck, stokesosaurus, bush-antlered deer, and giant camel in exchange for woolly mammoth, allosaurus, spinosaurus, macrauchenia, iguanodon, megaloceros, and literally any sauropod in a heartbeat

[ancient ibex]

I honestly find Monolopho to be the most useful choice for that kind of potential carnosaur

[austere sparrow]

Monolopho has history with PK, too

[slim flare]

Wrong!

Sauropodomorphs: x14
Saltasaurus
Argentinasaurus
Brachiosaurus
Europasaurus
Camarsaurus
Diplodocus
Apatosaurus
Amargasaurus
Nigersaurus
Mamenchisaurus
Shunosaurus
Lessemsaurus or Antetonitrus
Plateosaurus
Thecodontosaurus or similar

[austere sparrow]

Would love to see someone recreate that one screenshot with two of them in a jungle with the current foliage

[toxic oriole]

Where's Dreadnoughtus, mark?

[austere sparrow]

Argentinosaurus stole Camarasaurus's a

[austere sparrow]

Dreadnoughtus nonessential :(

Sorries

[shell sonnet]

No Massospondylus, no Patagosaurus, no Jobaria, no Mierasaurus

[toxic oriole]

Most complete titanosaur...................

[ancient ibex]

How do you tell it apart from Argentinosaurus?

[slim flare]

Correct, correct, correct, correct

[shell sonnet]

and therefore it sucks

[ancient ibex]

Random melanorosaurs instead of Melanorosaurus

[austere sparrow]

It says Dreadnoughtus when you select it in the hatchery

[slim flare]

Masso is Plateosaurus

[ancient ibex]

Brachiosaurus and dwarf brachiosaur

[shell sonnet]

no it isn'

[ancient ibex]

No turiasaurs

[shell sonnet]

hey I've got one

[austere sparrow]

Going for Brachiosaurus over Giraffatitan... 😔

[ancient ibex]

Both is good

[austere sparrow]

Go visit the mislabelled Giraffatitan in Berlin and you'll probably join the Giraffa train

[ancient ibex]

Honestly, the one thing I could see as a second giant titanosaur-wards animal could be Sauroposeidon

[toxic oriole]

I'm looking for a good size chart comparison between Dreadnoughtus and Argentinosaurus

From what I know, Dread is said to be smaller or something

[shell sonnet]

yeah, not the same

[ancient ibex]

With the sample sizes we have that doesn't tell us anything

[austere sparrow]

Sauroposeidon is so funny. Like. Pretty sure we don't have its skull? But people just put a Brach skull ontop for some reason lmfao?

[slim flare]

Yes it is, and those other three look a lot like Camarasaurus and/or Shunosaurus with a similar basal sauropod position and 0 name recognition.

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, we assumed it was a Brachiosaur

Camarasaurus looks nothing like Shunosaurus tho

[slim flare]

Not what I said

Stocky sauropod

[shell sonnet]

honestly, I would choice Futalog or Patagotitan, as a peronsal preference but Opisthocoelicaudia would honestly be better just to give something to further seperate Nemegt and Hell Creek

[slim flare]

You prove my point, they’re nearly identical

[austere sparrow]

Dawwww

[slim flare]

Komodo dragon?

[shell sonnet]

the skulls are different, build is different

[austere sparrow]

Lonk necci

Lufengosaurus?

[toxic oriole]

Just noticed something

[shell sonnet]

yeah, Lufengo for Masso alt

[toxic oriole]

Most depictions of Argentinosaurus have those uhhh, spikes on its back, yeah?

[austere sparrow]

This is their baby

[shell sonnet]

also Sarahsaurus for Masso alt

[austere sparrow]

Masso and Plato smooch smooch and the stork brings Lufe

[toxic oriole]

I've seen some Dreadnoughtus depictions that DONT have the spikes or something, whatever they are called

[austere sparrow]

Osteodermses

[slim flare]

Yeah the skull being different on a sauropodomorph is near-meaningless considering it’s so small

Build is nearly the same

[austere sparrow]

Long necci tho 🥺

[slim flare]

There’s really no morphological grounds to have it

[austere sparrow]

Plate has short necci long snoot. Masso has long necci short snoot

And they kisssss

[slim flare]

You really should be fighting for Mussaurus

[ancient ibex]

Why

[austere sparrow]

Peace and love 🫶

[ancient ibex]

Literally same case

[slim flare]

Which at least isn’t a Plateosaur

And has a cooler history

[shell sonnet]

Masso isn't a plateosaur either, it's part of it's own family

[ancient ibex]

Plateosauria also includes sauropods

[austere sparrow]

Muss has freakish long arms hm

[shell sonnet]

do you not know sauropodmorphas

[austere sparrow]

They all went extinct before I could meet them 😢

[slim flare]

They were going towards being quadrupeds

[austere sparrow]

That's not how evolution works silly

[ancient ibex]

That's what Melanorosaurus is for

[slim flare]

Who

[austere sparrow]

Melanorosaurus :O

My GOAT

Look at it

Beautiful

Specimen

[shell sonnet]

potentially the biggest dino of the triassic

also comes from the same formation (at earlier date though) as Masso

[slim flare]

Ah, I put Lessemsaurus or Antetonitrus as the relatively similar stage

[ancient ibex]

Why

[slim flare]

Wdym why?

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, the two less complete and well known ones

[slim flare]

Kinda

Does Melanorosaurus have grasping front limbs?

[silver steeple]

Ledumahadi sweep

[slim flare]

Who

[silver steeple]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ledumahadi

[shell sonnet]

a close relative

[austere sparrow]

Wdym who 😭

[slim flare]

Second one is Ingentia

[austere sparrow]

Fun fact Lessem was once thought to be a Melanosaur apparently

[shell sonnet]

also fragmentary

[silver steeple]

Isn't it one of the largest "prosauropods" as well

[crystal frost]

Wow

[silver steeple]

Ok yeah the wiki article says 12 tons lol

[shell sonnet]

they're full sauropods

[silver steeple]

That would pretty solidly put it there

[austere sparrow]

Kinda silly that we call the early ones Prosauropod. Like, they were just starting out, should have called them Novicesauropods. (joking)

[silver steeple]

Huh ig so

[austere sparrow]

Los Colorados is hecking weird

Giant Dicynodont, Big Prosauropod, Aetosaur, Rauisuchid, and large triassic Theropod all in the same formation

[toxic oriole]

Still tryna find the best size comparison between Argent and Dread

[slim flare]

Graspy Melanorosaurus hands?

[austere sparrow]

...Does span a looot of time so maybe didn't coexist but still

[ancient ibex]

Not under the most commonly accepted definition

Vulcanodon+Saltasaurus

Sauropoda has iffy definitions; at the end of the day, Vulcanodon is one while Plateosaurus is not

[austere sparrow]

Imagine if it turned out Argentinosaurus had a short ass Dicraeosaur neck

[silver steeple]

Most pages on Wiki put lessems within Sauropoda

[austere sparrow]

Would that be fucked up or what

[ancient ibex]

Which won't really tell you anything, because they are partial skeletons rather than samples of the animals. "Argentino is larger than Dread" is not a reliable way of telling them apart

[slim flare]

The reason I liked Lessemsaurus or Antetonitrus was because they were Early Jurassic and had a transition to quadrupedalism

[ancient ibex]

They put it within Sauropoda, but outside the Vulcanodon+Saltasaurus clade, which is the commonly used definition of sauropoda, so that's a bit of an issue

With Wiki

[shell sonnet]

And some people define Sauropoda as "the most inclusive clade that includes Saltasaurus loricatus but not Melanorosaurus readi".

I'm not sure it matters end of the day

[slim flare]

Tbh, it’s a sauropodomorph, who cares? It’s like exactly where you define birds or mammals starting. At some point you’re just close enough to shrug

[shell sonnet]

Lessemsaurus is Triassic

[ancient ibex]

You gotta be precise with language

[slim flare]

Yeah

[ancient ibex]

Triceratops latus

You can't care

[slim flare]

Definitely not what I said

[ancient ibex]

Who cares, close enough

[slim flare]

I referred to big sweeping clades that are predominantly based on vibes anyway

[ancient ibex]

Like the different Triceratopsin genera

[slim flare]

Sure

[ancient ibex]

Honestly, systematics is just language to be clear

Stem-based sauropoda versus node-based sauropoda is a debate, but stem-based sauropoda will just have random melanorosaur-grade animals be sauropods

(Sorry for the dickitude, should sleep)

[buoyant vault]

for this exact reason i house coelos and plateos together

[buoyant vault]

I LOVE PIANITZKY

wait hang on why tf did discord jump to really old messages

[cinder python]

At least we have this to look at tell that happens

[slim flare]

That Dunk has aged like milk

[hollow furnace]

that means effectively nothing at this point

[slim flare]

Really like the Elasmosaurus tho

[cinder python]

Yeah but it’s cool to see

[hollow furnace]

I really hope we get the elasmo and icthyo skins back in some form if/when they come, others are all meh

[left spear]

Ngl boring ass Dunk skin

[hollow furnace]

It didn't translate great when they mocked up the elasmo before, but hopefully it looks better with the better pk graphics:

[left spear]

I mean still looks good

Maybe the neck stripes should be bigger but It looks good

[left spear]

For Dunk i hope one of the skins resembles something akin to this

[hollow furnace]

ew

[left spear]

The pattern i mean

The Brown here is ugly yeah

[hollow furnace]

it looks like a glowing booger

[left spear]

I don't see an issue with that

[late swallow]

Looks like a glowing something else

[left spear]

Dunk is a pretty silly looking animal

[late swallow]

If we do end up getting aquatics, I'd love to see a Chinook inspired skin

[left spear]

But trust me there's worse Dunk art, the horrors of lipped Dunk should have never escaped the drawing board

[left spear]

Yeah either a chinook or muskellunge skin would be cool

Third one can be a more boring monochrome ig

[slim flare]

This is all we have of Falcatakely

[faint oak]

That’s all ya need baybe

[slim flare]

Sorry a little more

[faint oak]

Also there’s more than that

Yeah all good

I will permastan the toothcan

Long may he reign

🙏

[slim flare]

Yeah idk

[late swallow]

It will never not amuse me how much you scream fragmentary just to learn there's more than you thought

[slim flare]

You’re welcome

I’ll admit it’s a cool skull but… idk, would highly prefer more considering the diversity of Mesozoic bird forms

[left spear]

I mean tbh for a mini i think it's enough

Not ideal

But enough

[slim flare]

Avisaurus on the other hand

[left spear]

That being said for a mini Meso Bird i still prefer Iberomesornis

[slim flare]

It’s only claim to fame is that it’s big

[left spear]

Cool little bugger

[slim flare]

I don’t like that because it’s missing I think the entire skull and most or all the wings

[left spear]

Counter point, Cutie patootie

[slim flare]

Yeah, just kinda missing the important parts

Especially as the skull determines a lot

Yuanchuavis seems cool tho

Feitianius I think is just a butt? It’s a nice butt tho

[left spear]

I love longipteryx

What a goober

[silver steeple]

Avisaurus proper ain't fantastic but we get a good enough idea of what it looks like via relatives

[slim flare]

Mesozoic Avians and adjacent: x12
Vegavis
Ichthyornis
Hesperornis
Patagopteryx
Longipteryx
Falcatakely?
Yuanchuavis
Feitianius?
Confuciusornis
Jeholornis
Archaeopteryx
Anchiornis

Amended

Anything more?

[left spear]

I remember there was a small hesperornithid that could work as a hesperor alt, let me check how frag is it

[slim flare]

Like I didn’t even know this existed, so my list is far from exhaustive

[left spear]

Okay actually the one i was thinking of is larger, Canadaga, would be a fun alt to hesperor as It lived in temperate-sub-artic areas

Btw for alts i would put an * on them, since they would be easier to make you can squeeze them in as extra animals

[silver steeple]

I was also gonna suggest that as a Hesper alt lol

[left spear]

Shame most hesperornithids are complete gluppshitos

[silver steeple]

Canadaga also lived later btw

Like it saw the asteroid, kind of later lol

[left spear]

Brodavis' 4 species are all only known from metatarsals

[left spear]

Oh Paleogene hesperornithid is cool

[silver steeple]

Well that's one way to know that they are all different species lmfao

[silver steeple]

No

Like late maastrictian

[left spear]

shouldnt be even diagnostic

[silver steeple]

On the coasts of HC type thing

[left spear]

Oh thought you meant like past the asteroid

[silver steeple]

No

It saw the asteroid, not lived through it lmao

[left spear]

I mean tbh i wouldn't be surprised if a hesperornithid made It 1-3 million years into the Cenozoic

[silver steeple]

Hesperornis itself is far dead by that point

As with most of the famous WIS fauna it lived with

Niobrara is like mid campanian

[left spear]

So for the third skin still regalis or another hesperornis?

[silver steeple]

Oh wait Canadaga is further north than I thought

Not unlikely to have ranged near the northern stretches of HC/Lance area

[left spear]

Yeah Canadaga is from Nunavut

This art might not even be an exaggeration

[silver steeple]

Not just Nunavut

Far north Nunavut

[left spear]

not sure about the Azdarchid tho

Oh so yeah It probably lived in ice sheets and such

[slim flare]

Fucked up feet

[hollow furnace]

the horrors that are hesperornithes

[left spear]

Ark logic, hypothermia broke them

[left spear]

So Canadaga as a hesperor alt yay or nay

[slim flare]

Sure ig

[left spear]

Kidna steps into Auks terrain but with some skin work i think It would be cool