Community Species Suggestions

[austere sparrow]

Cretoxyrhina is less interesting and famous than big bear tho

[silver steeple]

Filling out a specific well known ecosystem

[feral cedar]

I am SPITBALLING, this isn't a wishlist. With that said, I think all of these would be fantastic pterosaur additions. I try to describe and/or argue for their inclusion where possible. Hope y'all enjoy it

Pterrarium Pterosaurs:

Eudimorphodon, tiny pterosaur that might've ate fish. Triassic rep
Dimorphodon, ground stalker but good climber. Had poor flying abilities, perfect for terrariums
Jeholopterus, fluffy bat pterosaur with a taste for insects
Pterodactylus, an important species that introduced science to the prospect of Earth being older than anticipated

Full exhibit pterosaurs:

Rhamphorhynchus, piscivore. Big eyes suggest nocturnal activity
Harpactognathus, inland predator hypothesized to be a raven-like generalist. Possible filler for a Morrison DLC
Pterodaustro, filter-feeding pterosaur, could be in a South America DLC of sorts. Pink flamingo-esque skin?
Dsungaripterus, shellfish-eating pterosaur. Maybe an Early Cretaceous DLC of sorts? Cretaceous China?
Thalassodromeus, large running terrestrial forager
Tupandactylus, fruit-loving pterosaur. Has imperator/navigans alt species and Tapejara alt genus
Quetzalcoatlus, with northropi/lawsoni alt species. Maastrichtian DLC?
Hatzegopteryx, flagship species for a Hațeg Island pack?
Pteranodon, with longiceps/sternbergi alt species. A good pterosaur to add for free as introductory to aviaries
Nyctosaurus, cool L-shaped crest. Maybe it can be free to re-use Pteranodon rig?
Istiodactylus, vulture pterosaur. Could be fun in a Eurobarremian pack with Wealden fauna
Zhenyuanopterus/Boreopterus, either or; river dolphin-style foraging pterosaur. Could be in a Yixian pack
Ferrodraco/Haliskia/Aussiedraco, purely here as Cretaceous Australia DLC filler. Just a thought
Tropeognathus, cool Early Cretaceous South America pack potential?
Ludodactylus, a fun anhanguerid to cram a pterosaur that looks exactly like stereotypical toys

[late swallow]

Sunk cost fallacy

[silver steeple]

How is big shark less interesting than big bear tho

We don't have GW sized sharks kept in captivity

[austere sparrow]

I am literally The big bear hater lol

Don't expect an answer from me

[silver steeple]

Unlike bear

[austere sparrow]

It's just a big shark idk

[toxic oriole]

Checking the wikipedia page for Cretoxyrhina, it mentions that it could be one of the fastest sharks yet

[left spear]

Not really unless they regret it

[late swallow]

@mellow creek Nycto mention

[toxic oriole]

VERY speedy shark

[silver steeple]

Shark is inherently more interesting than bear imo

For no other reason than large sharks aren't normally kept in captivity

[austere sparrow]

Tell me an interesting fact about shark then

[toxic oriole]

They predated YOU.

[austere sparrow]

...Creto I mean

[mellow creek]

holy ping

[austere sparrow]

Your mother predated me, not an achievement

[silver steeple]

Tell me interesting fact about cave bear in return

[late swallow]

There's a bunch of people who are predators to me

[mellow creek]

nycto my why is your crest so shaped

[austere sparrow]

I literally already told you I don't care for cave bear 😭

[silver steeple]

Lmfao

[late swallow]

Fucking hilarious

[silver steeple]

Neither do I

I think it should have been a different bear

[feral cedar]

Why are we arguing about the cave bear? It's already in the game, get over it

[silver steeple]

But it serves a purpose

[late swallow]

It lives in a cave!

[toxic oriole]

The Cave Dweller.

[silver steeple]

As would Cretoxy

[glass snow]

We know it was incredibly fast similar to mako sharks and it fed on pteranodon in some form

[austere sparrow]

Fine. Cave bear lived alongside humans, has lots of cultural implications for them, had a distinct interesting diet, and is independently famous.

[late swallow]

It made paleo.gg wrong!

[glass snow]

Turtles and plesiosaurs

[austere sparrow]

Now Cretoxyrhina, Boi.

I'll be waiting.

[digital pendant]

I should rename this chat to the complaining thread ngl

[silver steeple]

Yes!

[late swallow]

Ola

[glass snow]

yes

[austere sparrow]

Nice list

[late swallow]

Containment thread

[feral cedar]

You guys should stop complaining about the cave bear, an already-added animal, and focus on this so I didn't comb through Wikipedia pointlessly

[toxic oriole]

Pterodactylus is pretty old, but its also the first Pterosaur ever discovered and described, yes?

[glass snow]

we know cretoxyrhinas growth, hydrodynamics, ecology and skeletal anatomy

[digital pendant]

there is really no point on bringing existing animals into conversations here because they wont get removed

[feral cedar]

Pterodactylus was the first extinct animal we found that made us ponder if the Earth was older than we first anticipated

[digital pendant]

keep this for things that arent in the game

[feral cedar]

It's a weird but fun pipeline of important discoveries

[glass snow]

that was mosa I think

both

actually

[open heron]

Normal Zoo based actually; give me more guys that are just living animals but dead.

[toxic oriole]

Don't we also know it went after a variety of creatures?

[glass snow]

but mosa was also really important as is ptero

yes

[feral cedar]

Palaeotherium + Anoplotherium introduced us to the concept of extinction, since their discovery was us seeing these creatures and going "Wait, we don't have anything like these guys alive today... can species die out?"

[glass snow]

mosasaurus was one of the main animals who also introduced humanity to the concept of extinct

[feral cedar]

Then Pterodactylus and Mosasaurus were the discoveries that were so unlike anything alive today that we had to ponder if evolution has been happening for longer than we'd thought

[austere sparrow]

We can have more normal zoo once the mammal roster isn't ass anymore tbh

[feral cedar]

ergo, the Earth being older

Of course I only suggest Pterodactylus because Mosasaurus isn't a pterosaur

[glass snow]

as nothing like it was known and a giant lizard would be obvious if it still existed.

[feral cedar]

yes

[glass snow]

mosa is just older known than ptero

[feral cedar]

I'll admit a few names are purely there to pad out DLCs

[glass snow]

like 1700s

[toxic oriole]

Imagine if Mosasaurs had modern Monitor Lizard venom

They don't, but what if they did?

[feral cedar]

Zhenyuanopterus, Istiodactylus, and Harpactognathus aren't needed but they all come from charismatic formations people want expanded so they can't hurt

Same goes for [literally any Aussie pterosaur]

[toxic oriole]

I wanna be sure about something

[quick ore]

hold on

[toxic oriole]

How many Mainland Antarctica prehistoric fossils are there as of right now?

[feral cedar]

The inevitability of an Australian pack full of good species like Australovenator and Kronosaurus but with Mutta and Leaelly already in-game means an Aussie pterosaur would be welcome

[quick ore]

I thought the Cau compy hypothesis was bunk?

like didnt yall talk about it months ago saying it wasnt taken seriously

[silver steeple]

Lives alongside basically all the famous WIS fauna, larger than modern GWS, as Flapper mentioned, we know lots about its ecology and biology (possibly the most of any WIS species from what I can see)

[feral cedar]

I'm not a paleontologist but I will say that in non-scientific groups it was basically ignored lol

[silver steeple]

I literally only brought it up as a piece to compare too, other people complained lol

[steep tulip]

I think ferrodraco is the only one worth adding
As an alt nonetheless

[feral cedar]

alt of what

[steep tulip]

Tropeo

Actually idk

[toxic oriole]

Man I want to get Cretoxyrhina to be as popular as possible

[steep tulip]

I think tropeo could work

[toxic oriole]

Honestly it deserves to be popular

Alongside the rest of the Western Interior Seaway

[quick ore]

you don't need to look at aquatics or fliers that are too big for terrariums for more australian species

[feral cedar]

I feel like a random Aussie pterosaur as an alt genus of Tropeo is a bit weird, and also can feel... disrespectful? I dunno

[austere sparrow]

Western Interior Seaway has more interesting still obscure shit

[quick ore]

is there even an aussie pterosaur that isnt extremely fragmentary

[steep tulip]

It is the last known toothed pterosaur

Or one of the last

Also it's half the size of tropeo

[digital pendant]

i did not say your name specifically so idk why are you justifying yourself

[steep tulip]

And the only one with at least something decent to work with

[feral cedar]

If Tropeo got an alt genus I'd say to make it an anhanguerid without a prominent keel to make it an ontogeny alt. Cearadactylus or something idk

[steep tulip]

But it is pretty random

[feral cedar]

I know JP novel fans would eat up Cearadactylus lol

[silver steeple]

Because I felt like it was directed towards me after I was the person who brought up the animal to begin with

[digital pendant]

unless I tag or say a name, is not directed towards anyone and its a general message

[silver steeple]

Aight

[steep tulip]

Depends what you consider this

[toxic oriole]

Whats that one?

[left spear]

Fragmentary

[steep tulip]

Ferrodraco

[open heron]

Fragmentary objectively, but fairly complete by pterosaur standards.

[left spear]

Not ultra fragmentary but fragmentary

[toxic oriole]

Eh, its somewhat complete

[silver steeple]

Lmao

[austere sparrow]

Platecarpus pog

[digital pendant]

Brazil is gonna get hella good with all the cool pterosaur reps

[austere sparrow]

Platecarpus for PK

[silver steeple]

Fr

[steep tulip]

Fax

[left spear]

SA in general is peak for pterosaurs

[toxic oriole]

Migratory shark

[digital pendant]

mammals and pterosaurs 💪

[left spear]

Btw why is the Creto Talk still going? I think it's fairly obvious no one is going to convince no one

[silver steeple]

Can't wait to see more southern mammals tbh

[digital pendant]

same man same

i want my pampas safari dammit 😭

[silver steeple]

I wanna see them cook with Mac

[late swallow]

I'm just sitting here waiting for more southern animas in general

[left spear]

And dinosaurs and crocodilomorphs and-

[steep tulip]

Triplet SA mammal copium in u19

[left spear]

SA is just peak in fauna in general

[digital pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/бальтазар-warhammer-gif-23779786

[open heron]

TRIPLETS BORN, MAMMALS AWAIT!

[silver steeple]

Would go absolutely crazy

[silver steeple]

Stealing this lmao

[left spear]

Welcome to lustria gentlemen

[austere sparrow]

Aren't many sharks migratory anyway

Whatever you win

Have a win point

⭐

[left spear]

Depends on what you classify as migratory

[toxic oriole]

Eh fair enough

Lets just say its a tie

[silver steeple]

I migrate to the kitchen on an hourly basis

[left spear]

Gws travel a lot, but i wouldn't classify them as migratory per se

They just move a lot

[silver steeple]

Only to eat nothing

[toxic oriole]

Man I tell ya

I would LOVE to see a Great White Shark in person

Though I'd have to learn to be careful when swimming with wild sharks

or swimming with anything in general that isnt a pool or a bathtub

[left spear]

Travel to South Africa

Lots of great White shark tourism there

[toxic oriole]

... There arent any stonefish in the waters, right?

[left spear]

You are not going to swim anywhere shallow enough for Stone fish to be a problem

If you go regular scuba diving tho then i don't know what to tell you

[austere sparrow]

Might wanna seek out a shark caging business

[toxic oriole]

I never scuba dived before

Or swam in lakes, rivers, or oceans

[austere sparrow]

Would not recommend scubaing around open waters near Great Whites

...You can swim tho, right?

[toxic oriole]

I mean I can

I just havent done so in a while

Last time was a few years ago actually

[austere sparrow]

Oof, same

[left spear]

Well most gws tourism is from boats

Not actual swimmimg

I think clints reptiles has a video on it

[toxic oriole]

All I know is that inexperienced Great White Sharks would be dangerous

[austere sparrow]

I mean. Probably still better to know how to swim if you're gonna be on a boat

[toxic oriole]

At least, if you arent careful

[austere sparrow]

They are dangerous either way, they are giant predators

[late swallow]

You're so fucking real for that

[austere sparrow]

Just seek out a reputable shark caging business and you should be fine

[late swallow]

Just rotate them

https://tenor.com/view/get-rotated-get-rotated-idiot-rotate-rotation-shark-gif-24511062

[toxic oriole]

Rotate em like the gif?

Thats a Tiger Shark, I think?

[late swallow]

It got rotated, didn't it?

[left spear]

There are also much more dangerous animal tourism business to visit

[late swallow]

Kangaroo hot tub

[toxic oriole]

Yeah I found out Clownfish can be quite ferocious when they are guarding their eggs

Via videos

[plush nacelle]

Somehow gondwana continents become even better in cenozoic

SA, Africa, Madagascar, India, Zealandia and Australia full of bangers

[quick ore]

wish we knew more about pre-Holocene Madagascar

as in, during the Cenozoic

[low bridge]

Africa was the deadliest

Lol

After SA

[austere sparrow]

Hey EZ. I'm bored. Do you have any opinion on what's the single best mammal for Prehistoric Kingdom?

[outer crater]

Thylacoleo

[austere sparrow]

Oh shit sock puppet detected weewoo weewoo 🧦

Thylacoleo is pretty pog tbf

[neat iris]

Same! Shark cage diving is on my bucket list

[slim flare]

Megatherium

[neat iris]

Too hard for me to pick just one

[slim flare]

(It’s Megatherium)

[late swallow]

what

[steep carbon]

cursed timeline

o

[junior glacier]

Did this unlock as a reward or did they fail that milestone?

[left spear]

Homo

[silver steeple]

Officially the milestone was never met, much like mini-aviary/terrariums but Mau has said that its planned as the first DLC post full release

[junior glacier]

Fantastic!! That’s awesome!!

[safe willow]

I can't figure out how to see the first post dumb app but I must rep Yunnanosaurus the sausage beast
Also I'm sure it's been mentioned before but a Scansoriopterygidae for terrarium...

[silver steeple]

Yi qi is already coming in Update 16

[austere sparrow]

Yunnanosaurus looks cute but not sure it brings anything to the table Plateosaurus doesn't already do?

[silver steeple]

It brings Sinosaurus to the table

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[austere sparrow]

Spinosaurus is already ingame, silly

[safe willow]

i just like yunna

[safe willow]

cool!

[austere sparrow]

Fair

[silver steeple]

It was a joke about Sinosaurus remains being found locked in combat with a "prosauropod", potentially Yunnanosaurus

[low bridge]

Arsinoitherium or Platybelodon

[low bridge]

What u think of "Great Lion of Africa" and "Greatest Beast" ??

[low bridge]

Homo hmmm
Homotherium ❌
Guestotherium✅

[steep tulip]

Is there any proposed mainly insectivorous diet for noasaurs

0.0001% chance the insectivore in u19 is a noasaur

[hollow furnace]

For juveniles yep

[steep tulip]

Baby elaphrosaurus coming in u19 (adult will come in a dlc)

[leaden hedge]

Found a list of North American dinosaur genera on wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_dinosaurs#List_of_North_American_dinosaurs

[shell sonnet]

So Limusaurus

Limusaurus would actually rock; it's the most complete Nosaurid (including the forelimbs, which I think Berthasaura is the only other one we have of), it's a herbivorous therapod, and it comes from Shishugou Formation, which includes Monolophosaurus, Sinraptor, and Guanlong, all of which would be cool to have

[steep tulip]

Well limu as you said is herbivorous
Tho its babies had teeth
But yeah it would be pretty great

Elaphro + limu

And masiaka

[wild relic]

Limu would add some interesting gameplay since its babies had teeth and were omnivores and then switched to a complete herbivorous diet after losing their teeth as adults

[steep tulip]

I think it's possible to do this ingame if it comes as an elaphro alt

Since they wouldn't have to model the teeth just for that

[shell sonnet]

Limu with Elaphro alt, Maisaka fill up the Noasaur side, Carnotaurus and Majungasaurus fill up the Abelisaur side, add Ceratosaurus and then you've got what you need for the Ceratosaur lineage of therapods

[wild relic]

Yeeep

[late swallow]

Soccer sausage

[steep tulip]

That would be pretty ideal

[wild relic]

I wouldn't mind throwing Rugops in their too

[steep tulip]

Tho I also want another abelisaur since they are never really represented a lot

Other than the main 2

[wild relic]

Or Raja

[steep tulip]

Rugops or aucasaurus or spectrovenator

Nah raja as majunga alt

At best

[shell sonnet]

maybe Skorpiovenator for Majunga alt (not sure how close they are) so you can add something to Argentino's formation

[left spear]

Yeah Raja is just a long legged Majunga, let It be an alt

[shell sonnet]

I thought about Raja but... there's really nothing there to mix with it

[left spear]

More so to fill india, which realistically can only have like 4 animals

[shell sonnet]

That's the problem there's nothing in India.

[wild relic]

Skorpio is not very close to Majunga

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, I didn't think it was. Therapods are an incredibly diverse group that shrinking it down to 40 mains means you're going to have gaps

[wild relic]

Yep

[shell sonnet]

Like this is what I have for mains (in the ideal world):
Herrerasaurus ischigualastensis
Coelophysis bauri
Dilophosaurus wetherilli
Limusaurus inextricabilis
Masiakasaurus knopfleri
Ceratosaurus nasicornis
Carnotaurus sastrei
Majungasaurus crenatissimus
Monolophosaurus jiangi
Piatnitzkysaurus floresi
Torvosaurus tanneri
Afrovenator abakensis
Baryonyx walkeri
Spinosaurus aegyptiacus
Yangchuanosaurus shangyouensis
Allosaurus fragilis
Neovenator salerii
Acrocanthosaurus atokensis
Giganotosaurus carolinii
Megaraptor namunhuaiquii
Guanlong wucaii
Yutyrannus huali
Albertosaurus sarcophagus
Tyrannosaurus rex
Ornitholestes hermanni
Pelecanimimus polyodon
Gallimimus bullatus
Struthiomimus altus
Deinocheirus mirificus
Mononykus olecranus
Falcarius utahensis
Nothronychus graffami
Citipati osmolskae
Anzu wyliei
Gigantoraptor erlianensis
Utahraptor ostrommaysi
Deinonychus antirrhopus
Velociraptor mongoliensis
Austroraptor cabazai
Stenonychosaurus inequalis

[wild relic]

Is this like your main favorites?

[shell sonnet]

I wouldn't say that; they're just the ones based on a variety of factors like completeness, how well-known I think they are, diversity, and other things that I think cover most of the therapod line quite well

[wild relic]

Ahh okay

[shell sonnet]

This doesn't include minis

[wild relic]

My ideal ceratosaur representation for this game:
Elaphro + Limu and Masiaka for noasaurs
Ceratosaurus for ceratosaurids
Carnotaurus, Majungasaurus, Rugops and Spectrovenator for abelisaurs

[steep tulip]

There's also titanovenator as a possible abelisaur pick if it gets described
The giant african one
Tho I prefer something smaller def

[shell sonnet]

Rugrops is too fragmentary for me tastes, it's only a partial skull

It also doesn't live with anything noteworthy

[wild relic]

It lived with Spino and Carch

[shell sonnet]

The Spino is lacking a species name and Carcha species is different from the one we have in-game

[wild relic]

Eh I just always like Rugops, so I'm a little biased

[shell sonnet]

That's fine, I'm just explaining why I think there's other things I'd rather the devs work on

Now obviously, not having neighbors is not disqualifying in and of itself. Carnotaurus and Amargasaurus would be loners for example, but they're also unique, complete enough, well-known, and add quite a bit to the roster in such a way that it doesn't matter.

[steep tulip]

spectrovenator is very unique and quite complete

but it didnt live with anything noteworthy either

[shell sonnet]

Yeah that one's a good one

[wild relic]

True but even if it is less likely I'm still going to hold out hope for Rugops, I just love the guy for some reason

[shell sonnet]

Crap, I thought you said Skorpiovenator

Which is fairly complete and lived with Mapu and Argentino

Correction, it's from the same formation but not the same time period

[steep tulip]

skorpio is quite big I think

[shell sonnet]

that makes it less appealing

Looks mid-sized

[steep tulip]

I wouldnt complain if we did get it, but as I said I prefer something smaller

[steep tulip]

bigger than majunga

[shell sonnet]

True

And I would prefer Majunga over it

[wild relic]

Yeah I think it's slightly bigger than Majunga

Oh wait this is better

[shell sonnet]

Looking on wiki, size estimates for Majunga go from 750 -1100 Kg and 5.6 - 7m; Skropiov is said to be a little less than 900 Kg and 6-6.2 m

they'd be very similar in size

[wild relic]

Yeah Majunga is just shorter because of its legs

[hardy rock]

sausage

[slim flare]

Carnotaurus, then Majungasaurus

After thar idk what’s really worth it

[neat iris]

Gimme my tiny-arm bois, devs

https://tenor.com/view/kaperoo-prehistoric-planet-david-attenborough-hans-zimmer-carnotaurus-gif-25467585

[slim flare]

No

[neat iris]

Actually wait, I think they at least talked about carno for the future

[slim flare]

And specifically how it won’t have arm display

[neat iris]

Unconfirmed, but at least considered, like deinosuchus and columbian mammoth

[shell sonnet]

Mau pretty much confirmed it was coming

[desert flame]

Deinosuchus is likely to appear
in update 18.

[neat iris]

Carnotaurus is almost as important as allosaurus and stegosaurus imo

And yes, I know those two are pretty much confirmed

[silver steeple]

Not pretty much, just straight up are confirmed lol

[shell sonnet]

Though likely not till U19

[silver steeple]

Allo and Stego are practically guaranteed to be U17

Due to the Trello splitting the alts out, that's the only place that Allo fits

[desert flame]

Pachy will also be appearing in update 17.

[shell sonnet]

That we don't know

[late swallow]

That's purely speculative, reasonable speculation, but stull

[shell sonnet]

The only two we know the update of for sure are Allo (U17) and Bary (U18); Steg in U17 an assumption but it's a very reasonable one

[low bridge]

If u prefer something smaller so i must show u Rugops

Or this Abeli which lived with Carno

[desert flame]

It is said that the fruit eating animal in update 17 is pachy.

[steep tulip]

Koleken is alright

Mid actually

[shell sonnet]

where and by whom

[steep tulip]

I would be more than fine with rugops

But people did bring up fair points
Its not known from great material and also didn't exactly live together with spino and carcha (tho this is debatable)

[hollow furnace]

It has been guessed by people the frugivore in update 17 is Pachy, but Pachy is not even confirmed to be coming, let alone in update 17

[low bridge]

Guys we should have Niebla,Quilmesaurus from Austroraptor formation

[late swallow]

Echkar, isn't that also where Ouranosaurus is?

[wild relic]

No

Ourano is from Elrhaz

[shell sonnet]

Nah

[desert flame]

From an old roadmap posted on Discord, but that may change as of Update 16.

[shell sonnet]

The mini selection pretty much confirms this out of date

[late swallow]

Ah, right right, rhough, part of the same grouping

[low bridge]

Ouch

[late swallow]

That's also blurry as fuck and isn't evidence

[shell sonnet]

Diictodon doesn't even fit any of the descriptions given; it's not close to being aboreal, semi-aquatic, fuzzy or a dinosaur

[low bridge]

Let's stay finally with Rugops or Aucasaurus

[late swallow]

Whoever named rugops was mean

[wild relic]

True unfortunately

The reason why it's even named that because it's one of the earliest abelisaurs with a textured skull

[low bridge]

Carcharo Saharicus should must have little friend

[late swallow]

It didn't live with C. saharicus

[wild relic]

The Carchar from the eckhar was iguidensis

Not saharicus

[plush nacelle]

Ya. I am starting to think we got diictodon wrong from the begging

[low bridge]

Ouch #2

[late swallow]

Saharicus, as far as we've been able to discern, is from Morroco and Egypt

[shell sonnet]

Pelteiphilus doesn't fit either, it's a mammal but not semi-aquatic

[plush nacelle]

Peltephilus was always random guess. This name was never certain

[late swallow]

Have yall played with leuc ourano? Looks killer

[wild relic]

Would be nice if Ourano had more buddies like Sucho, Sarco, Niger and Lurdu

You can just use Dryo to substitute as Elrhazosaurus

[shell sonnet]

Niger and Sucho are good enough

Shame Bary probably isn't getting an alt because Suchomimus could fit there

[wild relic]

No Sarco?

[shell sonnet]

I'm thinking in terms of dinos

[wild relic]

Ah

[shell sonnet]

(not really a fan of Sarco personally, but that's neither here nor there)

[late swallow]

:< my child

[wild relic]

Imagine Nigel had a voice line about the 500 teeth joke for Nigersaurus

Definitely not but still funny

[shell sonnet]

when it comes to prehistoric Crocodyliforms, I find the purely land ones (like Baurusuchus) or the purely sea ones (like Dako) more interesting than the semi-aquatic ones, given we still have those today

[wild relic]

Armadillosuchus

I love that one

Doesn't live with anything noteworthy but I do like this little bird Navaornis

[late swallow]

Totally reasonable, I just rlly like sarco

[wild relic]

Same here

[shell sonnet]

I mean I like it more than Deinosuchus and Purussaurus

(which is probably a minority opinion)

[lean hound]

Deinosuchus is undeniably overrated

[steep tulip]

Why
Its a big croc thing that ate dinosaurs

[slim flare]

Bruh fucking how

[lean hound]

I'm not saying it's bad, I just think there's way more interesting big croc things

bad isn't the right word

boring works

[plush nacelle]

I read on PK reddit under comment section that deinosuchus wouldnt be able to high walk, is it true?

[final yarrow]

isnt Deinosuchus an alligator?

[slim flare]

It’s possibly the biggest crocodilian ever and hunted dinosaurs

[final yarrow]

and Sarcosuchus is a crocodile?

[final yarrow]

idk the phylogenetics of

[hollow furnace]

No to both

[final yarrow]

oh

[slim flare]

https://i.namu.wiki/i/c50UshLE51mOqQU58r8kS2S-bQ8nOijcE9HUdQWPVmnAXjODaqBGdVsD3ZW44ASAsthF4ETGofNt8N9Kz_GA8Q.webp

[lean hound]

I'm not calling it boring, that was me correcting myself

[steep tulip]

🤓 👆

[silver steeple]

Def not overrated tho

[slim flare]

Sarco and Purru are cool but so is Deinosuchus

[silver steeple]

Deino is my fav of the 3 tbh

[final yarrow]

honestly i’d be fine with Sarco instead of Deino alongside Purru

cus Purru is Cenozoic representation

[silver steeple]

👎

[steep tulip]

I lowkey want all 3

[slim flare]

Deinosuchus, like megalodon and Tyrannosaurus, is such an unbelievably large, active predator that it cannot possibly be overrated

[plush nacelle]

One normal sized croc pls

[silver steeple]

All three are totally doable tbh

They're all fairly different

[hollow furnace]

Deinosuchus is just outside of modern crocodilians, Sarchosuchus is a mesosuchid, a different group of crocodylomorph

[shell sonnet]

uh.... that's pretty much how it can be one

[plush nacelle]

Smaller sized croc sounds like perfect 1 star species to open the park with it

[steep tulip]

Borealosuchus
That one weird caiman

Mourasuchus

I think?

Maybe that's a 2 star

Oh wait its massive nvm

Lol

[hollow furnace]

Kaprosuchus

[wild relic]

Voay/Crocodylus robustus

[steep tulip]

Champsosaurus

[wild relic]

Lol

[steep tulip]

More exited about getting mahajanga with kapro than kapro itself

[hollow furnace]

Bring my boy home

[low bridge]

BARINASUCHUS, QUINKANA

Crocodylus Anthropophagus&Thorbjarnarsoni

Euthecodon

Best for Prehistoric Kingdom

[plush nacelle]

Crocodylus niloticus for PK

[feral cedar]

Is it pronounced with a ch of chasm or channel

[low bridge]

Euthecodon is weird

[steep tulip]

I pronounce it like chasm

[feral cedar]

I always pronounced it like champion cause it sounds weird to me as in chasm

[steep tulip]

Seems like its pronounced the other way 🥀

[feral cedar]

Like a weird unholy phonetic nightmare combining Camptosaurus and Chasmosaurus

[steep tulip]

I'm still recovering on how scelidosaurus is pronounced in english, I think I will just keep pronouncing it like that lol

[plush nacelle]

Question is, which champso species?

[steep tulip]

The big one

The 3 meter one
Wasn't it also in hell creek?

I know nothing about the ones that survived the kpg

[plush nacelle]

It appears the big one is from cenozoic

While everything else is rather terrarium sized

[wild relic]

Yeah the only species from hell creek were ambulator and laramiensis

[slim flare]

How?

Overexposed, but not overrated

[wild relic]

Literally

[steep tulip]

It isn't that small

[quick ore]

I feel like lifestyle and method of reproduction matters more than overall size in the terrarium/exhibit cutoff

like length isnt a good measurement for a lot of species like mammals since they lose a lot from having short tails

[steep tulip]

Ok so I wasn't completely misremembering
The hell creek species could also reach 3 meters it seems

[wild relic]

Which one? There's two

[steep tulip]

Lemme check

[wild relic]

Ambulator or laramiensis

[hollow furnace]

Natator/laramiensis/gigas

[plush nacelle]

Devs making it 3 alt habitat species cope?

Wouldnt complain

[steep tulip]

Laramiensis it seems
Not 3 meters
2.5 meters

[hollow furnace]

I’d admittedly be fine with getting Champso as a terrarium, I just want my baby boy in some form

[steep tulip]

I would be fine with terrarium champso if we could get kosmodraco as full exhibit, but since I doubt that's going to happen I cope for exhibit champso

[plush nacelle]

Champso goes well with turtles.

Small hell creek swamp house with champso + didelphodon + baenid turtle would feed milions

[steep tulip]

Alao apparently

Ambulator and laramiensis might be the same animal, and it just followed gharial sexual dimorphism were the female is more terrestrial than the male?
Crazy

Not sure how accepted it is tho

[outer crater]

True but it's a superstar animal and will add to the popularity of the game

Also, deinosuchus ontogeny would be cool

[quick ore]

how likely would it be for Deinosuchus to come with another crocodilian species as an alt?

[lean hound]

Yeah, Deinosuchus is needed

[lean hound]

what would the other species be?

[plush nacelle]

O

[quick ore]

O?

maybe Sarcosuchus or Voay

[plush nacelle]

No alts in U18 🥀

[steep tulip]

Having voay or sarco as alts of deinosuchus would lowkey be disrespectful

Really leaning on they all the same

[outer crater]

They're too different

[quick ore]

all the same, adding Deinosuchus would make it easier to add other crocodilians in the future

[plush nacelle]

Thats for sure

[steep tulip]

Mhm

They do all follow the same general body plan

The croc like ones I mean

[inner wedge]

if the devs were actually based there would only be expansions for aviaries, aquariums and paleozoic animals and maybe a few substantial themed dlcs like holocene or pleistocene australia

any animal that could easily be in base game would be in free updates

but i know it won't happen because they wont make money like this, enjoy paying for giga and nanuq lolll

[left spear]

Basedness doesn't generate money

[inner wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[ancient ibex]

So your concept of being based is working for free huh...

[plush nacelle]

It really depends on actual numbers. In theory it would increase sales of base game by making it more appealing

[left spear]

Honestly as long as they aren't overpriced the best thing they could do after RE, Aquatics and Flyers would be to spam species packs

Money printing machine, make sure to include a lame household name in each to attract the jwe fanbase

[safe willow]

i like Quinkana, because its name is cute. not a suggestion just i saw the talk about crocs

[plush nacelle]

Im also interested in scenery* packs. I wonder what kind of new themes will PK make

[hollow furnace]

I'm just hoping the game does well enough we get post-launch support to begin with

[left spear]

U17 Will probably dictate that

[hollow furnace]

I mean, U19 dictates that

its the point the game actually releases

[left spear]

Well yes but tbh the biggest player addition Will most likely be with combat

If you go on comment sections 70% of non-player comments are about when Will It have combat and hunting

As depressing as It is

[safe willow]

i dont get it, its ultimitly a zoo game, setting up death matches and stuff is cool and all, but how much can you really get out of it...

[late swallow]

Deinosuchus isn't even solidly in Crocodylia

[silver steeple]

Blame JWE game loop

[safe willow]

i never played it

[inner wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-chad-gif-18386674

[hollow furnace]

Enough that that’s what a lot of people are looking to get out of it

They did a poll way way back before EA started, during I think the beta, and about half of people wanted the game to make an ecosystem, roughly equal to the amount of people looking to make a zoo

[safe willow]

oh an ecosystem
i was thiniking deathmatch stuff but an ecosystem makes more sense

[hollow furnace]

I mean, death matches too probably lol, but yeah a lot of people are looking for ‘ecosystems’

[safe willow]

death match between an army of smalls

[ancient ibex]

Got it, you should work for free then

(Of course, this isn't seriously stated)

[steep tulip]

I honestly prefer to get other terrestrial species before aquatics and pterosaurs

Getting aquatics and pterosaurs before another stegosaur

[left spear]

I mean i think RE is pretty guaranteed before Aquatics and flyers

[steep tulip]

True

[left spear]

Haasts and Stellers would probably come in a RE part 2 or unrelated dlcs

[plush nacelle]

Interesting how different is perception between dinosaur and modern animal fans. Like In PZ I dont think I ever heard about someone asking for these ecosystem and combat is so irrelevant it might not even be there and no one would notice

[left spear]

Site B did irreparable damage

[steep tulip]

Just saying
Like I feel like aquatics and pterosaurs is a very big investment immediately after ea

Also permian triassics and more cenozoics

[left spear]

But like It or not the Game is percived as living on JP's shadow, which has Big focuses on nature and violence from chaos

[left spear]

I would image there Will be like 3-4 dlcs RE included before flyers and aquatics

A permian DLC seems very likely

[inner wedge]

people want combat because people like seeing bigass reptiles rip each other to shreds next question please

[steep tulip]

Imo really depends

On how game does

But hoping for permians yeah
Hopefully one of the first dlcs

And maybe some free species

[plush nacelle]

I hope DLCs will be more like PZ ones. I dont want to wait whole year for big package 🥀

[left spear]

"Big"

[steep tulip]

Unfortunately idk how much devs could realistically put in a single dlc

I keep my expectation at 4 species per dlc
Like jwe2

[inner wedge]

never say that again

[left spear]

5-4 species dlc with 6 months in-between i would image

[inner wedge]

real old-school expansions with around a couple dozen animals plus new mechanics are the way to go

[plush nacelle]

I mean some people are delusional enough to believe ZT2-style content is somehow viable in modern day

[inner wedge]

i dont want to pay for diplodocus goddammit

[left spear]

25€ DLC each year and a half then

[inner wedge]

yes

i genuinely hope you guys don't really want blue meridian treating their userbase like paypiggies by asking 10$ for a buncha animals

[late swallow]

You mean 30-40?

[steep tulip]

A dlc of 4 would be 48 thousand dollars if those 12 thousand dollars per animal thing is true

[plush nacelle]

You either ask 4x10 or 1x40 for the same amount of content. Difference lies in amount of time people wait for DLC

[inner wedge]

12 thousand dollars to make one animal what the hell has gaming become

[left spear]

Not gaming

Life

[late swallow]

Labour costs money

[steep tulip]

Its a team of 20 people (with less actively working on each update) of a dino zoo game that has no ties with an existing ip
Yall expecting way too much

[hollow furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-money-peanuts-explain-how-homer-gif-15536016

[left spear]

The Game only needs 2 dlcs that add mechanics

[late swallow]

Doesn't even need them

[left spear]

The rest should be species packs With hopefully the ocasional building set and map

[glass snow]

^

[left spear]

Well they would be very cool

[hollow furnace]

Luckily, there’s a simple solution to not having to pay for DLCs - PK can just not do well at launch, and then there will be no DLCs to pay for!

[inner wedge]

is it a problem to ask to not have to buy dlc after dlc and just have some expacs like in zoo tycoon games

[glass snow]

species are expensive to add don’t expect expansions

[fresh ember]

There is a lot that goes into developing each species. The designs, animations, behaviors, growth system, Nigel's narration, ect.

[left spear]

Yay

[late swallow]

Yes

[glass snow]

yes

[inner wedge]

you guys are everything wrong with modern gaming lmao

[late swallow]

Also nobody is holding a gun to your head and making you buy them

[steep tulip]

Idk
Depends how well game does as I said
But we will get also free updates

Its not all dlcs

[fresh ember]

REAL mature...

[late swallow]

Devs gotta eat mate

[glass snow]

Devs got to live

[hollow furnace]

Indie game asks for money in exchange for additional content, gaming is dead

[late swallow]

Exposure and good intentions don't pay mortgages

[inner wedge]

i can choose to not give devs money however i want

hows it for devs need to eat

[left spear]

Uhhh yes?

[glass snow]

frontier dlcs aren’t even that bad they are deal for what EA has

[left spear]

Just don't buy the dlcs

[late swallow]

Yes, that was always an option

[glass snow]

you get animals and building pieces for PZ they are optional and don’t affect the main game.

also are cheap generally for what your getting

its not like you know the sims….

[left spear]

Frontier dlcs are just overpriced, they are not really scummy at all

[late swallow]

Utopia is a dangerous dream, my friend

[glass snow]

They are fine content wise

and size wise just slightly overpriced.

[plush nacelle]

PK will start with Arctic Pack

[left spear]

No need to act like they are adding Non-cosmetic Battle passes or something

[late swallow]

These aren't lootboxes

[glass snow]

or microtransactions

[left spear]

Good choice, you have Auk and Auk and Auk and Auk and Stellers and Auk and Auk

[late swallow]

I've turned microtransactions into macrotransactions

[hollow furnace]

Nanqusaurus, nanuqsaurus 2, lore accurate troodon sp (just disembodied teeth) and wooly giraffe

[plush nacelle]

Polar bear lizard

[left spear]

I mean Nanqusaurus sounds interesting

[glass snow]

Alaskacephale, Nanuq, Troodontid and Woolly giraffe.

4 animals

[steep tulip]

I talk a lot about species I want on this thread, but a lot of it is wishful thinking lol
Like pk adding vancleavea? Most people don't even know what it is
Or desmostylus

[left spear]

Nanuq is lame tho

[glass snow]

Alaskacephale because pz had a the sheep

[hollow furnace]

Not enough nanuqsaurus

[glass snow]

Oh yeah nanuqsaurus two

after that nanuq 3

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/british-cop-screaming-screaming-sad-gif-1879411192175791821

[left spear]

Or literally anything not from JP/JW/PP/ARK

[glass snow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=xW0IR3q0EvE

nanuq 2

[steep tulip]

I know the day will come

I dread it

[left spear]

Big Dread It?

[inner wedge]

people saying PZ dlcs are good forgetting the content said dlcs have related to their price

[left spear]

Animals

[inner wedge]

case in point arctic pack

[plush nacelle]

Hidden gems, literally

[inner wedge]

reskinned animals shouldnt cost me 10 dollars

[left spear]

No animal outside of the dlc used the dlcs mechanics so you are not losing anything

[left spear]

Overpricing is another matter

[late swallow]

This has gone exactly nowhere

[left spear]

No one Will challenge that the dlcs are indeed overpriced

[hollow furnace]

Excellent, same time next week?

[left spear]

This is PKcord did you expect anything else

[inner wedge]

byeah

[late swallow]

No, not really

[left spear]

This server specially this thread could be classified as dementia

[toxic oriole]

Bear to add: Freddy Fazbear but in real life

[inner wedge]

a real man never speaks ill of pk-feedback-forum

[left spear]

That and bug reports are the only sensible channels

[fresh ember]

Agreed. It's important to draw a fine line between something simply being overpriced and being convinced that a DLC model altogether is automatically on-par with predatory business practices.

[steep tulip]

I honestly prefer to get other terrestrial species before aquatics and pterosaurs
Getting aquatics and pterosaurs before another stegosaur

[plush nacelle]

Aquatic stegosaur is solution

[left spear]

Yeah i had a convo on JP thread talking about this a few days ago, Frontier overprices a lot but calling them predatory is i'll spirited

[left spear]

Just do a wishlist smh

[shell sonnet]

Better yet, I'll make it for you

[shell sonnet]

Dravidosaurus incoming

[steep tulip]

Maastrichtian australian stegosaur you mean

Yet to be discovered in the australian soil

[shell sonnet]

That one isn't aquatic

[steep tulip]

I can sense it

[plush nacelle]

One skin looking like stegosaur and other like plesiosaur

[steep tulip]

Gamble
Maybe it was

[shell sonnet]

I know it wasn't, I dumped them all into a lake. That's how they became extinct

[left spear]

Maybe It could fly inflating it's thagomizer with helium

[shell sonnet]

it's a transformer

[safe willow]

I cant remember its name but theres this dinosaur that lived in burrows and I would die to see burrow living dinosaur but I would never expect it because that would be a whole lotta work for one little guy lol

[austere sparrow]

Not sure if "Deinosuchus is not overrated" or "The Devs shouldn't be paid" is the funnier opinion in chat today... It's probably the latter but, damn

[left spear]

Tbh i would say Deino is only very slightly overrated

It's a very cool animal overall

[autumn plover]

“Did irreparable damage” as if it wasn’t a based asf gamemode

[left spear]

Shame all species save hatcheri are fragmentary af

[late swallow]

Funniest of all, the devs don't even read this

[left spear]

Thank god they don't

[austere sparrow]

I'm glad they don't

I am not sure I'd survive learning what animals Mau would be going to bat for considering his irrational dislike for the supreme chungus

[ancient ibex]

Funny how a sandbox mode with missing features became so big, despite being what the demo was

[austere sparrow]

I kinda wish "Ecosystem" players knew that what they actually want is "Open Range Reservations (but the animals kill each other)"; would make it way easier for them to sell game devs on the whole shebang

Literally all you need is for animals to not go insane if they got too much space, and seek out areas they can easily survive in

Literally everything you realistically need for those Ecosystems

Hell, if they're lucky, maybe the devs will accidentally make them viable because the people wanting Safari parks ask for the same features

[toxic oriole]

So our choices are useless.

Welp time to start a riot!

https://tenor.com/view/simpso-riot-gif-4545300067745410584

[left spear]

Yeah really the only thing needed for ecosystems is a sort of territory system

[toxic oriole]

Time to start a riot!!!

https://tenor.com/view/angry-mob-riot-torches-pitchforks-gif-5859895

[austere sparrow]

Honestly for the better, most of our choices are kinda stupid 😔

[left spear]

Eh, if they did we would have fucking alamo in the game

[austere sparrow]

We might have a second non-Pleistocene mammal too, tho 🤔

[left spear]

Watch It be Lokotunjailurus or some other shit like that

[austere sparrow]

...What the fuck do you mean that's a real ass animal you didn't just make up lmfao

[steep tulip]

Psittacosaurus?

Not like 100% certain
But pretty likely

Wait

Thescelosaurus

I think we are sure it lived in burrows

[left spear]

Could also be Orycto

Or Kullindra, which of the 2 had the burrow

[steep tulip]

No idea about these 2

Proto also maybe did

[late swallow]

You mean a 5th?

[austere sparrow]

Alts don't count 😭

[steep tulip]

By end of ea we will have at least 3

Rejoice

[plush nacelle]

Pleistocene terrarium mammal

[shell sonnet]

which are?

[steep tulip]

We adding water shrews

Paraceratherium + the 2 semi aquatics

One of which is a terrarium animal tho

Sinotherium gotta count at least

[silver steeple]

Sino counts ye

[plush nacelle]

If you think about it, terrarium mammal will most likely look like water shrew

[shell sonnet]

too bad none of these come from the same locale it seems

[plush nacelle]

He comin

[silver steeple]

So counting all the paraceratheres separate, there are 4 non pleistocene mammals

[austere sparrow]

Sino counts if it gets its own slot

[silver steeple]

Which it technically does because of the way that alts are treated now

[late swallow]

Everything gets its own slot

[silver steeple]

Yeah

[late swallow]

So we have 4

[austere sparrow]

Sino counts as getting its own slot once it gets three skins

[plush nacelle]

Does it mean parasaurolophus is not its own slot?

[late swallow]

Correct

[silver steeple]

Then technically Paracer shouldn't count either

[late swallow]

Lumped

[plush nacelle]

Cringe hadrosaur

[steep tulip]

Sino counts come on
I can get lumping the paras and juxia

[plush nacelle]

Couldnt be like chad cave bear

With 3 skins, proper slot

[austere sparrow]

Sino is Elasmotherium which is Pleistocene 🤷‍♀️

[late swallow]

But Sino isn't even the same period

[steep tulip]

He naked tho

[austere sparrow]

Paraceratherium is non-Pleistocene but obviously you can only count it once

[late swallow]

Sino is literally our only Neogene

[shell sonnet]

it very much is

[austere sparrow]

Damn none Rep from neogene 🥲

[silver steeple]

Which is wild lol

[late swallow]

We only have one non-feliform carnivoran

[silver steeple]

They've got Agate, Pisco, several African fm, and more to choose from

[shell sonnet]

I mean pretty much all the famous extinct prehistoric mammals are ice age adjacent

[silver steeple]

And they're basically all in the game already lol

[steep tulip]

I forgot

[plush nacelle]

Outside big sloth

[late swallow]

Just missing Megatherium

[steep tulip]

Technically there is another non pleistocene cenozoic possibly coming

Not a mammal tho

[plush nacelle]

Lizard will save us

Trust

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-lizard-lizard-button-lizard-tom-the-lizard-pixar-gif-17194109322617058326

[ancient ibex]

C'mon pliocene dinosaur

Or even miocene

[austere sparrow]

Technically you could add another "current roster" worth of Pleistocene animals, easily, without even having to really dip that far into obscure additions 💀

[silver steeple]

Sorry but Megatherium doesn't hold a candle to Mammoths, smilodon, or even Megaloceros lol

[austere sparrow]

Like Australian Megafauna, South American Megafauna, La Brea Leftovers, Asian Fauna, African Fauna...

[ancient ibex]

Honestly I always get confused, the pliocene and pleistocene are such geological nothingburgers (to say nothing of "quaternary", "holocene" or even the laughable so-called anthropocene)

[austere sparrow]

...I say La Brea Leftovers but honestly the Columbian elephant is. Probably in the same fame tier as Elasmotherium

[silver steeple]

Def imo

[ancient ibex]

So a great addition you will rant about?

[late swallow]

I mean, I get why Anthropocene was proposed

[silver steeple]

If for no other reason than what is likely the most famous Primeval episode lmao

[austere sparrow]

I mean, no, can't see any issue with it outside of the Pleistocene oversaturation and fact that we already have the very similar wooly mammoth, tbh

[steep tulip]

Tbh I think if the roster dino/mammals proportions were to be switched, we would have probably gotten mainly hell creek and morrison animals and like spino and another random pick

[austere sparrow]

Like even then it lives in a very different habitat from the woolly so that's something

[ancient ibex]

We don't have an Iridiocene between the Maastrichian and the Paleocene tho

[austere sparrow]

Damn rip lmfao

[silver steeple]

Dunno why you threw in cave bear but ok

[late swallow]

Only last 12?

[austere sparrow]

Cave bear beating out big deer is some mad funny shit tbh

[plush nacelle]

I forgot about kelenken lol. That will be bird and lizard then

[steep tulip]

No way the lizard is just a lizard

Would be mad funny tho

[shell sonnet]

Irish Elk is the common name of Megaloceras giganteus

[austere sparrow]

I know lol

[silver steeple]

I've already pointed out why Google search counts aren't really a great way to figure out whether people know of a thing

But clearly you don't care so whatever

[steep tulip]

Unless its gigarcanum

I wanna say something but I can't grrr

[shell sonnet]

If you've got a better solution, then show me but right now it's good enough

[plush nacelle]

Insect diet with ocassional fruit

[silver steeple]

A survey probably

Not that anything like that is really feasible at scale

[shell sonnet]

Survey's don't exist at the moment

Nor are they without problems of their own

[silver steeple]

Would help if you did more than just past year tho

Larger sample is always going to give you a better answer

[silver steeple]

What the hell is up with that cave bear spike lmao

[shell sonnet]

The biggest weakness with Google Searches are country specific things like China not appearing after a certain point and others being left out entirely

But then again, this is an English speaking discord with a focus on what the Anglosphere cares about more

[ancient ibex]

Holy Mercator that's one big Greenland

[shell sonnet]

I know it's awful

[austere sparrow]

How many species do we have rn. 80? Lemme just come up with Pleistocene animals that I would put at least on the same fame tier/request frequency as Muttaburasaurus/Leaellynasaura and see how high up I can get without feeling ridiculous about myself.

Megatherium, Doedicurus, Glyptodon, Macrauchenia, "Terror bird"
Sivatherium, Deinotherium, Dinofelis, Australopithecus, Paleoloxodon
Am. Mastodon, Col. Mammoth, Titanotylopus, Dire Wolf, Short-faced bear
Gigantopithecus, Dinopithecus, Ancylotherium, Stegotetrabelodon, Myotragus
Nuralagus, Wild Horse, Cave Hyena, Eucladoceros, American Cheetah
Thylacoleo, Megalania, Quinkana, Procoptodon, Diprotodon
Meiolania, Dodo, Elephant bird, Moa, Thylacine
Gorilla Lemur, Shasta Ground Sloth, Mylodon, Homotherium, Aurochs, and uhhhh I think that's where I'll make the cutoff
And yeah just with that I'm at 40 potential additions I would individually consider sensible and more than defensible (even if I would complain about some of them, still), so, uh. Sheesh.

Ew Mercator, my eyes

...I really hope we get an island DLC down the line btw

So many neat critters on islands

[late swallow]

currently ingame? 62

[austere sparrow]

Right, thanks

[late swallow]

well, 62 monday

[austere sparrow]

Lemme try to see if I can come up with. 13 (because Australo obviously doesn't count lol) more reasonable ish additions... 🤔

I forgot big Bison so that's one...

...I wouldn't personally consider it as one but it has history with the game so. Whelp

[late swallow]

Bos (Bison) antiquus?

[austere sparrow]

Toxodon is. Probably not Mutta tier, but definitely the mammal equivalent of what Mutta tier is.
Cave Leopard? I guess that's an option but I feel like I'm shitposting even mentioning it...

Bison latifrons

I guess there's two big bisons

Longhorn Bison

...Longhorn Bison is a cute nickname for it tbh

...Am I going insane or have people requested Cuvieronius before?

Fuckit Imma just lean on EZ's darling for the final ten

[shell sonnet]

Toxodon is Mutta tier

[austere sparrow]

Longhorn African Buffalo, Giant Cheetah, uhhh and most of the other ones are pre-pleistocene damnit

African horned crocodile was requested before?

Oh, Hippopotamus gorgops

...God I can't do it I can't put Hippopotamus gorops this high up 😭

[shell sonnet]

Voay robustus was mentioned for RE

[austere sparrow]

Yee that's the. Horned croc. I think it's usually Malagasy horned croc, not African horned croc, is it

Not sure anybody ever asked for Genyornis but I think it's not too bad fame wise...?

[shell sonnet]

Correct, it's not from continental Africa

I wouldn't consider it to be Mutta level though

[austere sparrow]

Fair

Yeah you know what enough barrel scraping ignore everything after that initial big post tbh 😔

[shell sonnet]

You also forgot the Bluebuck and Quagga

[austere sparrow]

...Oh. We have 7 ice age animals already I believe?

I mean Bluebuck won't work with the alt system but Quagga is fair

[steep tulip]

I did

[austere sparrow]

Fuck it. Split "Moa" and "Terror bird" into three entries each people request multiple genera of those all the time already

[steep tulip]

just making this about myself

[austere sparrow]

Based and also thanks

[steep tulip]

I need that australian rep so bad

[shell sonnet]

No...

[austere sparrow]

Right. Toxodon, Longhorn Bison (cuz I feel nice to it rn), Terror Bird 2, Terror Bird 3, (Phorosracos, Titanis, Kelenken if anybody asks), Moa 2, Moa 3 (you can probably have more but lets not get crazy) and a second slot for Paleoloxodon since we want both the island dwarf and the giant one. That's Seven more slots, six to go.

[late swallow]

FUCKING SAME

that was an accidental capslock

[austere sparrow]

You know what fuck it they made big bear work they can make Bluebuck work. Five slots.

People who want Macrauchenia generally go "Xenorhinotherium too pls", so that's good enough for me despite Xenorhino definitely not meeting the tier requirements, Four. Then, Great Auk, if Semi-aquatics work then Great Auk should work, too. Three. (There will likely be an alt species or genus but I guess they could somehow find a pre-Pleistocene one so I'll count it once). Then, Giant Penguin, of horror literature and ARK and "Oh yeah we found a blue and brown one" fame. Kinda bunched together, lets assume they get at least one Pleistocene slot. Two.

[open heron]

ok so

you know big bear right

what if

[austere sparrow]

...and two is how many minis we currently have so mini exhibit animals, go.

[open heron]

big bear again

[austere sparrow]

...Fuck there's two Short-faced bears

[open heron]

the rig is there and you can never have too many bears

[austere sparrow]

Okay Arctotherium (big) and Arcotherium (small), lets assume they both make it in with at least one representative. I fully forgot if all of the species made it into the Pleistocene. Uh, one second, lemme double check

A. angustirodens (Arcotherium big) is Pleistocene phew

Right I am not sure all of the smaller Arctotherium species made it to the Pleistocene, but multiple of them made it all the way to being recently extinct so fuck it don't need to debate on if Microraptor/Arche means I'm allowed to pick birds as mini exhibit animals.

Big Bear the second to the rescue, PK roster Pleistocene only, no overlaps with real PK roster, complete, what the hell.

...I hate that I am not sure if this is even possible with non-Pleistocene mammals

[steep tulip]

How many more you need

[wild relic]

I did not know that some microraptorines got that big!

Like damn Changyuraptor

[late swallow]

more like Chunkyuraptor

[steep tulip]

Probably way too many lol
If mutta tier animals

Desmostylus would be like

Uhh

Valdosaurus tier animal

[feral cedar]

African horned what

[steep tulip]

Goat

Baaaahhh

[hollow flower]

Voay

Pretty mid in my opinion

[austere sparrow]

Oh I got done

Changyuraptor might be neat

[quick ore]

@austere sparrow don't forget Hyaenids!

[austere sparrow]

I had the Cave Hyena!

[quick ore]

yayyyy

still makes me sad how spotteds were done dirty in PZ

they deserve an updated model imo

[austere sparrow]

Most base game animals do tbf

[steep tulip]

True

[quick ore]

mhm

[austere sparrow]

Like damn. That lion sure is. Sure is

[steep tulip]

Straight up greasy looking compared to newer stuff

Lion hyenas
The salties

[quick ore]

and they never fixed the Malayan Tapir afaik

[austere sparrow]

RIP

[steep tulip]

Wym

[quick ore]

it's just a reskinned baird's

even though Malayans have unique anatomical differences

[steep tulip]

They did remodel it

[quick ore]

oh fr?

my bad

havent kept up

[quick ore]

based

i must have forgotten about this my bad

[steep tulip]

Dw lol

[quick ore]

but yeah spotted hyena still needs one

I bet a cave hyena or some other species in PK would look great

[steep tulip]

Agreed

[quick ore]

it's funny how 2 of the most likely inclusions for a hyena in PK (Cave Hyenas and Pachycrocuta) are of living genera

or at least presumed to be living genera

don't think the jury is out yet about Brown Hyenas being in Pachycrocuta

besides those 2 I feel like the only other choices would be Chasmaporthetes and Dinocrocuta

[austere sparrow]

...Anyways. I decided to do the non-Pleistocene version now. Mutta/Leaelly tier animals or higher, 62 is the goal.
Moeritherium, Gomphotherium, Platybelodon, Deinotherium (yes I am counting it here too it had crazy temporal range okay), Phiomia(?)
Uintatherium, Eobasileus, Propaleotherium, Gastornis, Diatryma
Embolotherium, Megacerops, Chalicotherium, Moropus, Anoplotherium
Daeodon, Archaeotherium, Entelodon, Andrewsarchus (lol), Ambulocetus
Titanoboa, Purussaurus, Dromornis, Stupendemys, Carbonemys(?)
Synthetoceros, Syndyoceras, Arsinoitherium, Pyrotherium, Eohippus
Hyaenodon(s), Thylacosmilus, Leptictidium, Eurotamandua(?), Darwinius(?)
Aaaaand that's 30, I made it to 30. 💀

...Pakicetus might qualify too, at least due to meme fame, but, sheesh.

...I guess tbf a lot of the Pleistocene genera already existed in earlier time periods, some as far back as the Miocene but. Sheeesh.

[outer crater]

Yea dinocrocuta

[austere sparrow]

Dinocrocuta is neat but imo too obscure for Mutta/Leaelly tier

Same for the Sebeccids

...Actually fuck there was that. One people keep requesting. Was it Barinasuchus?

I think that's the one? I am not sure if that makes it past Mutta tier but it is requested pretty vigorously

...I am not even sure if some of these make it to Mutta tier. Hence all the (?)s.

Phiomia and Carbonemys are entirely just here because they're early game ARK animals.

[slim flare]

I’m sorry dinosaur fans are so much cooler

[austere sparrow]

Lmfao you wish

[slim flare]

I don’t

But I do think hunting and ecosystem-like aspects are cool considering that’s what animals are all about

I’m glad dinosaur games get that and it’s unfortunate extant species games don’t

[flint sable]

Barina is probably it

since it was the largest one and probably most famous?

[austere sparrow]

Yeah it's probably the one, yeah

[slim flare]

Is Barina “famous”?

I mean it’s fucking awesome but it’s pretty niche to deep paleonerds afaik

[austere sparrow]

No, but people keep asking for it

...Yeah

[slim flare]

As they should

[low bridge]

It is NOT famous but his size as croc build for running on 4 legs makes him scary

[flint sable]

I would say its probably the most individually famous sebecid

in terms of species

simply because its the largest

its kinda like terror birds in a way

where the general public doesnt really care about the individual species, moresoe the group as a whole

but if I had to pick a sebecid thats the most famous, id probably go with Barina

[austere sparrow]

I love how this comment implies that a croc running on two legs would be less scary

...I guess it probably would be

[flint sable]

https://tenor.com/view/crocodile-hug-cute-float-andréa-abraçar-ana-gif-25713958

doesnt look very scary to me

just saying

[austere sparrow]

Chances are it would windmill its arms around to keep balance and look really stupid

[low bridge]

It is big as like 8 kelenkens

Kelenken is 250 kg

[austere sparrow]

...That croc is not moving its hind legs

[flint sable]

yes

but

its in a bipedal stance

in theory

[low bridge]

Someone calculated that Bari is 500 kg idk if is this real

[austere sparrow]

That's only two Kelenken 🙁

You lied to me, EZ

How could you 😟

[quick ore]

we only have its skull

so it is still up in the air just what the rest of it looked like in relation to it

[flint sable]

imagine if it had the coty build

or the opposite, erythosuchus build

[low bridge]

Sereno calculated that Bari is between 1610-1744 kg , in this year someone calculated that Bari is 500 kg

My knowledge has limits

I don't know everything

[final yarrow]

i know what we need

[toxic oriole]

I don't even know what thats supposed to be

[slim flare]

Spinofaarus

[feral cedar]

I was doing a word search for Mononykus to see if there was any speculation on it being in the terrarium update and I stumbled upon this

If you don’t mind me asking, what are some of the size estimates here? I can assume velo and hypsi are roughly 2 meters

[ancient ibex]

The human silouette is scaled to 1.8 meters, and I believe I left in the scale bars

Velo is the type specimen and is smaller than 2 m fwiw

[feral cedar]

That velo is smaller than 2?

[ancient ibex]

Yep

Grown Eoraptor is around 2 meters

[feral cedar]

I see

compy, hetero, and monon having similar lengths is not something I considered

I suppose that means the latter 2 are probably going to be minis if they’re ever added

[ancient ibex]

Mononykus is something I can see going either way at the end of the day ngl

[shell sonnet]

It's not like P. mongoliensis is that much bigger

Plus I kind of like having Mononkyus running around in a Nemegt exhibit

[ancient ibex]

And, ttbt, Compsognathus is larger than usually pictured; JP undersized it after all

[slim flare]

Not by much

[feral cedar]

plugging my horribly eyeballed and scrappily made “adult” compy

I tried to get it to roughly 1.4 m, but I might’ve failed

[feral cedar]

I feel like PK’s is too small gauging by the size of it in the concept art

[slim flare]

Don’t look at Tiktaalik

[shell sonnet]

That's a fish

[feral cedar]

I also think Tiktaalik is too small

[slim flare]

That’s right! Good job.

[shell sonnet]

Those things are allowed to be a bit bigger than normal minis

[slim flare]

?

I’m referring to Tiktaalik being undersized

We have a specimen that would be from a nearly 3 m individual

[shell sonnet]

and we have specimen close to one and a quarter m,

[slim flare]

Was it skeletally mature?

[hollow furnace]

I actually wonder what the size distribution of tiktaalik specimens is, we apparently have quite a few but most are completely undescribed

[shell sonnet]

don't think so but how do we know 3m isn't an outlier

[ancient ibex]

A bit smaller than the German specimen, which is far smaller than the French one

[slim flare]

Odds are it isn’t

[slim flare]

But I agree

Is Big Grandpa an outlier or does it fit comfortably in the size distribution of the other specimens?

[ancient ibex]

Fish are also weird with size

[slim flare]

This is true

And how sure are we Big Grandpa is Tiktaalik at all?

Weird that such a famously important fossil taxon with a large sample size is understudied

[hollow furnace]

we don't know, it was mentioned offhandedly in a single line in a paper

[slim flare]

Besides not being a d-i-n-o

[hollow furnace]

Most of the work on tiktaalik is on it from a morphological perspective (somewhat understandable as a transitional fossil) not really from a taxonomic one

[flint sable]

correct

[slim flare]

Yeah I care less taxonomically but the big boi specimen(s) seem like they could be interesting?

Like did its arms change to accommodate its newfound mass? Was it more aquatic or even more terrestrial?

Or just the same thing bigger

[hollow furnace]

I don't think it's complete enough to know that

[slim flare]

Is it just a mandible?

[hollow furnace]

I believe so

[safe willow]

Those compys look so starved someone please feed

[slim flare]

The JP ones? I mean they’re not that bad, comparable to other reptiles.

[slim flare]

Why didn’t you compare the hands? Also is this the French or German one?

[safe willow]

Something just gives me starved vibes I'm too used to chunky bois

Like Gaboon vipers

Also feathers being deceitful birds got them string necks

[plush nacelle]

What a shame the forgot to make it act like tapir

[safe kestrel]

JPOG made a generational damage for the dinosaur game, like call of duty with FPS

[plush nacelle]

PK is the only hope for proper tapir in zoo game. PZ ones are using pig animations 💀

[autumn plover]

No one hates dinosaur games quite like dinosaur fans

[midnight dagger]

Wait, so none of these are getting added? Sheeeesh...

[safe kestrel]

dinosaur fans always hate dinosaur in any media

they will find the mistake first instead of enjoying it

[inner wedge]

dinosaur "fans" are awful i say

in general

[mint creek]

the unholy combination of fandom culture and a scientific field

two things that never should have crossed

[inner wedge]

like in what world would you see a game with giant lizards that could kill you in a second and say "no, i don't want them to fight because i hate jurassic park and it's fans"

[inner wedge]

it happens more often than you think

[ancient ibex]

I mean, comparing hands...

The Greg Paul torsos makes it look smaller, and it is at its largest a German specimen

The French one is longer than a child is tall, even if the tail is most of its lenght

[austere sparrow]

In a world where you associate giant lizards that could kill you in a second with animals and aren't a fan of animal abuse? Kind of a simple fucking concept lmao

[ancient ibex]

Pepe pfp

[austere sparrow]

True

[inner wedge]

"animal abuse" it's a videogame about animals that don't even exist anymore grow up man

[austere sparrow]

Damn girlypop you're telling me fiction isn't reality? Good to know. Guess that means it's now forbidden for people not to want to read entries in the splatterpunk genre because the babies getting torn apart bit by bit aren't actually real

[inner wedge]

also again with the "they're animals" excuse? have you ever seen one damn documentary?

nature is literally a murderhouse

u can't even begin to comprehend it

[inner wedge]

meds. now