Community Species Suggestions

[flint sable]

I mostly use their smaller ones and cenozoics, mostly like pterosaurs and stuff

but their larger ones are really nice too

[austere sparrow]

Oh neat

Damn, we had less round and shiny versions of these pieces. The lengths statue-makers go through in both this game and the planet ones are fucking bonkers, but it kinda hurts my heart a little that they almost always end up looking like parade floats

[flint sable]

alot of these ones are old to be entirely be fair

before the various shapes had more than one plastic texture

[austere sparrow]

Oh neat

Yeah okay haven't reached the newer ones yet

[flint sable]

they also made Coty

so

[austere sparrow]

Nice

Something tells me the PK modding scene will be glorious lmfao

[austere sparrow]

Dang. These species feel like a more sensible than usual take on species lists

Maybe the devs should start copying Jar's picks 🤔

[final yarrow]

pk?

[flint sable]

correct

wait no

not correct

PZ

[final yarrow]

oh

lol

[winter willow]

Fatponysaurus when

I’ll admit JWE2 is kind of cheating because it doesn’t exactly go for the realistic route when it comes to dinosaur depictions, but it has definitely reminded me of some dinosaurs I’d love for this game to depict

[desert flame]

Paleoparadoxia is a semi-aquatic mammal that I would like to see added after EA.

[steep tulip]

Paleoparadoxia was fully aquatic, other relatives like desmostylus or behemotops were probably semi aquatic
Both would be cool to get tho

[late swallow]

he looks so stupid

i love him

[desert flame]

If it is completely aquatic, I hope it will be added in a later paid aquatic animal DLC.

[ancient ibex]

Demostylians are those weird fucks the long branch attraction between afrotherians and perissodactyls has left us weirded out

But yeah, the odd toed equivalent to whales makes more sense, and they'd be great to have

[flint sable]

do we know what demostylians are now

[ancient ibex]

Morpho phylo is ambiguous, biogeo makes afrotheria unlikely

Mostly because afrotherians were diversifying in an isolated Africa while these guys start out at the Pacific

[desert flame]

t's said to be a group close to the Perissodactyla, but I don't know if that's true. However, it's true that it's a group of extinct marine mammals.

[flint sable]

thought so

although sirenians did start in the carribean iirc

so maybe desmostylians were like the west coast of the americas equivalent

[ancient ibex]

One thing is to spread from Africa to the Caribbean and Europe, and another is spreading to the Pacific rim

Demostylians have equal number of characters for perissodactyl and afrotherian affinities, so, mess

[low bridge]

I suggest Tylocephalonyx bc i think that it is cool for Prehistoric Kingdom

[hidden magnet]

I'd like the Maiasaura to be added

[outer crater]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-no-gif-8971642892483725157

[steep tulip]

Yes yes yes

Its time to restore maiasaura reputation

[river perch]

a pretty good species for update 15 in a hypothetical alternate universe

it's okay, we'll just have to wait for the breeding update 2

[hidden magnet]

We need maiasaua population

[final yarrow]

what would even be in that theoretical update besides Maia

animations for breeding? XD

[river perch]

maisaura, maisaura, and maisaura of course

[low bridge]

Syncerus Antiqqus for Prehistoric Kingdom

Grassland dwelling bovid is needed

[lean spindle]

wait maiasaura would be such a good pick

[river perch]

by the time we get another hadrosaur im mildly confident it'll be maiasaura

maia and oloro are the ones on my radar

[ancient ibex]

Saurolophus

[river perch]

craaap cant believe i forgot it

funny skull

[shell sonnet]

Maia >>> Gryposaurus/Kritosaurus>>>>>>Saurolophus

[ancient ibex]

That's really bad taste

(evidently exaggeration, to each their own)

[river perch]

ultimately they can pick whichever one they want because what really matters to me is that they always go hella crazy on the ornithopod patterning

[shell sonnet]

What's so special about a genera that no one would care about if it wasn't associated with a really bad movie and it's worse sequels over the second or third most important dinosaur find of the 20th century and two neat looking animals who unlike other hadrosaurs are made distinct by their nasal construction instead of their head wear

(I jest but not really)

[ancient ibex]

Most important Nemegt hadrosaur, plus a Horseshoe Canyon type species, so good rep

who unlike other hadrosaurs are made distinct by their nasal construction instead of their head wear

...

You know lambeosaur crests are just their noses right?

Maiasaura is cool fwiw

Also, "really bad movie" for Land Before Time doesn't really beat the bad taste allegations lol

[shell sonnet]

Yes....

But LBT is a bad film, that's without question

[ancient ibex]

Yeah I don't think so

Say what you will about the sequel slop, but the 1988 film is well regarded as a neat Don Bluth film preceding the Disney renaissance starting the following year

[shell sonnet]

Ebert in general tends to give better scores animated films than he would for live action ones that had the same plots and the like

[ancient ibex]

Consensus disagrees with you

You may dislike the film, but it is well regarded

[shell sonnet]

his opinion about animation isn't for something I look for especially given the fact he tended to repeat a lot of slop that Chuck Jones stated

and unlike Ebert, I moderately decent at telling apart one animator'

style from another fo

[ancient ibex]

Whatever dude, film is well regarded even if you don't like it

And Saurolophus, again, is the cornerstone Nemegt hadrosaur and adds that to the table

[shell sonnet]

Critical opinion is not a democracy, and I'll be damned if it ever becomes one

[glass snow]

saurolopus is a cool animal

it has good alt potential and is the nemegt hadrosaur

[final yarrow]

saurosloppus

[ancient ibex]

So basically you disregard consensus and pretend your opinion is the one valid one? You can dislike something y'know

[final yarrow]

no hate to Saurolophus though its a cool animal and i think it’d be a good addition

but Saurolopus XD

[final yarrow]

its kinda like the twink version of Parasaurolophus but i like it

[glass snow]

two very good alts from two continents from formations in game. Also it is a fairly unique hadrosaur. A saurolophine with a big crest

[ancient ibex]

Hell, if we follow Edmonto and Para we can even get a third alt in Prosaurolophus for Dinosaur Park

[glass snow]

yeah I was thinking of prosaurlophus as an alt

like a 3 way like para with 1 being a seperate genus

[ancient ibex]

We even have some evidence of the different patterns in the 2 species

[ancient ibex]

I believe the second image goes with that one?

[digital pendant]

Im always amazed on how opinionated people can get in here over mere suggestions

[hollow flower]

I always was a pretty big fan of Saurolophus

A little generic but also just a touch of uniqueness to make it have its own flair

[digital pendant]

Not everything needs to be flamboyant tbh

[glass snow]

also fills out at least 2 formations and its two species are fairly different from each other.

good I hate to say filler animal and good for the roster.

[left spear]

Mind you for animals that are in Spirit the same

[glass snow]

More of what are basically dinosaur hoofstock is always nice

[ancient ibex]

Shame we have a single osborni and we don't know if it got the duck lips or instead the different species worked like the Edmontosaurs

[hollow flower]

Reminds me of a meal where you put a tiny little basil leaf on top of it

[left spear]

Tbh for generic hoofstock i feel like we only really need tenonto and Maia.

[hollow flower]

Just a little flavour to it yknow

[digital pendant]

Saurolophus is pretty neat. Would go hard to put a herd together with gallis and deinocheirus on a large exhibit

[ancient ibex]

Wouldn't really count hadrosaurs as basic hoofstock ngl, they are surprisingly chonky animals

[glass snow]

yeah but more “bland” ornithischians would be good for the roster especially ones that fill out formations.

like especially if we get dlc

[hollow flower]

For most people I feel they look at hadrosaurs and think of something like a Cape buffalo

[ancient ibex]

https://x.com/thepeanutpal/status/1785849845799928087

Ian Baylatry (@thepeanutpal)

Saurolophus was a large duck-billed dinosaur known from the late Cretaceous of Canada and Mongolia. Its crest, while superficially similar to that of Parasaurolophus (hence the name), arose independently and is entirely made up of nasal bones.
#100DaysofDinosaurs day 82

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[hollow flower]

Or perhaps a Bison

Dialed up to 10 of course

[glass snow]

Like I want campto ngl would be nice with stego and dryo as morrison non sauropod herbivores.

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, I will keep stanning Campto and Hypsi, plus Tenonto and Thescelo revival

[digital pendant]

I would love for Camptosaurus to be back

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, the different hadrosaurs would make for neat DLC filler, like ceratopsids; generally conservative other than for their heads

As in, requiring relatively less effort than other animals

[glass snow]

NA ornithomimids also would be good.

easier to add animals which fillout formations and make for more flushed out exhibit planning

[ancient ibex]

Ah yeah, shame they are a bit of a taxo mess

[glass snow]

yeah

[shell sonnet]

I mean you tell me if you think the consensus is worth listening to
(I really don't mind if Saurolophus makes it in)

[glass snow]

they are a big mess

[digital pendant]

LBT slander on my presence!?! Blasphemous

[glass snow]

but NA ornithomimids would be neat and easier to add essentially pseudoalts of galli for dlc or free updates

[left spear]

I mean LBT only gets meh and then bad after like Big freeze

[glass snow]

I could see them if added having like different feather styles from galli like one with a bald head like not too much but like with galli they could make each unique.

[outer moth]

Saurolophus is a neat addition imo

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, that's fresh, 72%, flawed but neat; you don't need massive universal acclaim for something to be good, and if stuff doesn't meet that it doesn't make it bad per se. A 7/10 is a great passing grade in most of the world anyway.

FWIW, Maiasaura is great as well; Kritosaurs I'd prioritize Saurolophus before them, and would veer towards the SA clade before the NA one, but still, saurolophines are cool and deserve love

[left spear]

Btw i like Saurolophus but rep arguments are trash, Saurolophus doesn't need to be in a movie to be good enough to make It in

[digital pendant]

The media rep talk is weird because is very subjective and also heavily dependant on where you are from

Is not a precise metric by any means

[left spear]

Noooo we need giga!

[shell sonnet]

and you're age

[ancient ibex]

Gallimimus' skins may be comparable modelling work to those, ngl

[shell sonnet]

nostalgia is a hella of a drug

[left spear]

I really don't understand them, might aswell add t.formosus, Dino train is cool

[ancient ibex]

But yeah, Ornithomimus' type is Lancian, so Hell Creek, while Struthi is Judithian, so Dino Park

[digital pendant]

Yes, one you can get off and open to other possibilities 💪

[left spear]

Anyways time for my monthly Pannonia glaze

Add my boy, interesting size range and a freshwater mosasaur

Lots of skin potential and more Hungarian rep (probably the only thing hungary has left)

[ancient ibex]

That's an Asian water monitor

Cool critter tho

[left spear]

You see, it's a really Big and old asian water monitor

Btw the hands are probably exagerated here, more fin like most likely

Mario lanzas for size reference

[ancient ibex]

Mosasaurus and Tylosaurus being full fledged parallel evo from a terrestrial coancestor remains wild, like anything involving mosasaurs

3+ Marios in lenght, 5.5-6 meters huh?

[left spear]

Size varies a lot between reconstructions

But very broadly 4-6m

More towards 6 than 4

[floral rune]

Ngl, as long as Aurochs also eventually gets added in, I'm okay if something like Gomphotherium doesn't get in. (Or maybe it could join with Aurochs & Deinotherium in a sort of Asia-style map update/DLC? (Ngl, just spitballing ideas at this point.))

[feral cedar]

As someone who heavily advocates for Saurolophus this shit was funny

Eohippus being like 30 cm tall at the shoulder is nothing short of a tragedy

I was hoping it’d be able to escape the constraints of being a terrarium animal

[flint sable]

i sugguest this guy
definitely didnt just make him up, no sir

[river perch]

i nominate this to be the in-universe PK cryptid

[feral cedar]

Sivalorhynchus

[ancient ibex]

Needs Cotylotherium as well tho

[flint sable]

hold please

I also sugguest Cotylotherium

whomst I definitely didnt just make up

[wary nacelle]

These are all real animals that I am ripping out of the page and putting into the past, not that that would be needed however as these are completely real animals

[final yarrow]

hes a little guy

good mini potential

[flint sable]

agreed

[wary nacelle]

Caihong cause rainbow

Also Carolina parrots

[austere sparrow]

Definitely do not understand the Saurolophus hate, lol. It's probably the most neat Saurolophine, and Nigel met it once! What's not to love

[wary nacelle]

Also wait serious question does Nigel Marvin actually do the voice-over? Like genuinely I have no idea… cause it’s his face but like—

[austere sparrow]

Yeah it's him

[wary nacelle]

Wowza

[flint sable]

it do be him

it do be him

[austere sparrow]

Speaking of wanting Hadrosaurs. Here's my Hadrosaur wishlist:
Olorotitan, Tsintaosaurus, Saurolophus
Amurosaurus, non-garbage small Arenysaur once we finally find one
Maiasaura, "Something with a bumpy nose" (flexible there)
Hadrosaurus, Corythosaurus, Hypacrosaurus

Oh Tethyshadros too! Tethyshadros definitely. Put it on the same want-tier as Maiasaura.

Usual "Please just give us more mammals first I beg of you" disclaimer applies

[tidal flame]

We need a solid iguanidont

[austere sparrow]

Iguanodon?

Actually nevermind you're right

[tidal flame]

Something unique like tenontosaurus or camptosaurus

Wait

Is campto even an iguanodont?

[austere sparrow]

Everything is a fucking Iguanodont

[late swallow]

per a 2015 analysis, Iguanodon is an Iguanodontid

[ancient ibex]

#pk-discussion message

[late swallow]

Campto is not

[tidal flame]

Lurdu would also be cool

[late swallow]

well, not directly sitting only in that clade but not others

its in Ankylopollexia

[ancient ibex]

Everything closer to Iguanodon than to Hypsilophodon is an Iguanodontian

[late swallow]

which, what the absolute fuck is that disaster of a name

[ancient ibex]

It means rigid thumbs

Which is apt for Iguanodon grade animals

[late swallow]

ankylos doesn't actually mean stiff

[ancient ibex]

Isn't rigid a synonym of stiff?

[late swallow]

curved, bent; hooked

[tidal flame]

So hold it

[austere sparrow]

Sad that there isn't an animal called Ankyloplexus

[tidal flame]

What is even the iguanodont family

[late swallow]

Iguanodontia isn't a family, actually. it's an Infraorder

well, sometimes also unranked

[ancient ibex]

However: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankylosis

[tidal flame]

What a mess

[ancient ibex]

Ankylos has evolved into meaning stiff, pretty much

[austere sparrow]

Most of Ornithopoda, funnily enough. Thescelosaurs and Heterodontosaurs (among others) sit outside, and Hypsilophodon is holding the fort on the Hypsilophodont side with two(?) friends.

[ancient ibex]

Dino taxonomy disregards ranks

[late swallow]

Iguanodontidae is the family

[austere sparrow]

...There's three Hypsilophodonts left.

It's fucking hilarious.

[tidal flame]

What happened to the rest of them

[late swallow]

No?

[austere sparrow]

Got moved out. Are closer related to Iguandon than Hypsi

[late swallow]

btw literally mentions the original greek meaning

[ancient ibex]

Cladistics has no use whatsoever for ranks, Dino taxonomy is an early adopter of cladistics

[austere sparrow]

...Or are Thescelosaurs and somewhere else entirely

[tidal flame]

Poor hypsilophodonts

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, but words evolve in meaning, that's how linguistics work

[austere sparrow]

Dead languages, infamously so, are not meant to be evolving 😔

[ancient ibex]

Neologisms on the other hand are

[austere sparrow]

And I mean it's like. It's Ankyloplexia, not Ankylosiplexia 😔

[slim flare]

Except when they’re still used…

[tidal flame]

We need all of the hypsilophodonts in the game out of respect

[ancient ibex]

The old division of ornithopods involved Hypsilophodontidae (smaller bipedal ones, plus Tenontosaurus for reasons), Iguanodontidae (larger ones with thumb spikes), and Hadrosauridae (the duckbills), but things kept getting complicated once we got better at understanding relationships

[slim flare]

You should see what happened to ground sloth once we got DNA

[ancient ibex]

Oh yeah

glyptodonts three quarters of the same

[slim flare]

Eh

At least they retained being monophyletic

And it just turned out they’re true armadillos

Idk about the interior workings tho

[tidal flame]

Crazy how the two toed sloth and the three toed sloth are two instances of the ground sloth taking to the trees

[ancient ibex]

Parallel evolution is insane

[austere sparrow]

Animals sure have this annoying habit of having massive clades that largely remain very conservative, except for a handful charismatic outliers, who go on to develop convergent features

[ancient ibex]

Parallel evo is even more insidious than convergent, because at least convergent starts out at different places. Parallel starting on the same condition is headache inducing

[austere sparrow]

Also I was too fast to say we had three Hypsilophodonts. Turns out Hypsilophodon (plus friends?) is a clade jumper, whoops

[ancient ibex]

See lions and tigers; "leopards" deciding to grow several times their original size, independently of each other

Yeah, Hypsi has spent plenty of time outside of even Cerapoda

[austere sparrow]

I do know what parallel evolution is, but I guess the clarification is sensible in case someone else here doesn't?

[ancient ibex]

Sorry, teacher instinct lol

[late swallow]

I think we're about 1.21 gigawatts into #science-chat

[ancient ibex]

Yeah; Hypsi would rock

[left spear]

And sloths

Thalassocnus 🙏

[ancient ibex]

Barremian Europe coverage with Hypsi, Conca, Pola and Pelecani to go with Iggy and Bary would go hard

[austere sparrow]

Not sure how hot a take this is but I don't really care about Hypsi

[tidal flame]

We need more European dinosaur species specifically from islands

[late swallow]

I don't even know what the fuck hypsi is

[austere sparrow]

Hypsilophodon

[tidal flame]

A gigachad Dino

[ancient ibex]

A classical dino

[austere sparrow]

It's like Leaellynasaura but with a short tail and fat bony cheeks

[tidal flame]

The best dinosaur to walk the Earth

[slim flare]

Thescelosaurus…

[austere sparrow]

Thescelosaurus is definitely more interesting

Likely burrower, spur, and not even an Ornithopod probably

[late swallow]

Is it another of those "you had to watch x series" dinosaurs

[tidal flame]

Thescelosaurs as a whole is a lesser known group

[slim flare]

Spur?

[tidal flame]

Hypsi?

[austere sparrow]

...I might be misremembering but I'm pretty sure it had a bony arm spur

[ancient ibex]

More like "you gotta know about dinosaurs rather than about dinosaur media"

[austere sparrow]

It's from childrens books about dinosaurs mostly

[slim flare]

Saurian

[hollow furnace]

Probably not a burrower and the spur is potentially pathogenic (and a lot more minor then people think it is)

Thesclosaurids are ancestrally borrowers though, hence why its brain be like that

[left spear]

Eh i'd rather have Orycto

[tidal flame]

Nah

[austere sparrow]

Orycto would be cool too

[left spear]

But yes a thescelosaur would be very very nice

[austere sparrow]

Damn Orycto is just barely not Mini size too

Maybe they can have Orycto with a Thesc alt 🤔

[tidal flame]

Toss it all out, we need arizonasaurus

[tough marsh]

irrc thats from a single specimin

[austere sparrow]

It can chill with Sivatherium and an Arenysaur and Cotylorhynchus and all those other animals I really want that have damn near zero chances of inclusion

[austere sparrow]

Sexual dimorphism confirmed :V

[slim flare]

Who?

[hollow furnace]

Thescelosaurus would be neat regardless though, just another smallish dinosaur is always great

Plus seems to have likely been scaly

[slim flare]

I think it’s bigger than game Dryosaurus

[glass snow]

it also is a good animal to fill out hell creek

[austere sparrow]

We have impressions from it?

[glass snow]

yes an undescribed specimen

shows most of the animal was scaly

[feral cedar]

I will forever love Hypsilophodon because of Minecraft

[hollow furnace]

Yep, you can see them too

[austere sparrow]

Yeah, if any formation needs the fill out handouts Hell Creek is definitely up there xP

[austere sparrow]

Whacky shit

[tidal flame]

Minecraft?

[hollow furnace]

MOR 979

Same one the ‘spurs’ are from

[feral cedar]

A Jurassic Park mod, JurassiCraft, had Hypsilophodon

[left spear]

Small but more complete thescelo

Also ig BoB rep

[tidal flame]

Ohhhh forgot about JurassiCraft

[austere sparrow]

...Am I missing some patches? Cuz it looks like those are just from the base of the tail and the sides

Was expecting more lol

[feral cedar]

Though come to think of it was basically a Dryosaurus in all but name. Akin to JP’s “Velociraptor”

[slim flare]

More complete? Don’t we have like a billion Thescelosaurus skeletons?

[ancient ibex]

JPOG's Dryo was basically Hypsilophodon all but in name

[slim flare]

In what way

[hollow furnace]

Yes, it’s extremely complete lol

[ancient ibex]

80's Hypsilophodon FWIW

[glass snow]

thesc is really complete

[ancient ibex]

Thesc and Dryo are also noticeably distinct

[feral cedar]

Oryctodromeus is a great critter to make better thescelosaur candidates diggers

It’s like Borealopelta for me; exquisite find, but not the best candidate

[left spear]

Okay yeah we have mb, fuck you spanish wikipedia

49 specimens to be exact

[ancient ibex]

Spanish wiki is bull as a rule

[feral cedar]

Orodromeus shares a formation with Maiasaura and Troodon/Stenonychosaurus

but the real king is Thescelosaurus

[tidal flame]

Troodon confirmed!?!?

[feral cedar]

no

[hollow furnace]

Potentially (hasn’t been described afaik but seems from the pictures to potentially have stuff on the limbs as well), but regardless most of the flank is pretty extensive skin impressions

[tidal flame]

At least troodon is less dubious than nanotyrannus

[hollow furnace]

Eh

[tidal flame]

Or actually maybe not

[left spear]

I mean mayyybe they're actually Both valid

[tidal flame]

Well nano is just a Julie tyrannosaur

[left spear]

Very unlikely but there are some things about them flying around iirc

[late swallow]

It is about the same

[hollow furnace]

Troodon and Nanotyrannus have completely different circumstances in terms of there validity

[left spear]

Oh ik

[feral cedar]

Honestly just give Stenon the neotype and be done with it

[tidal flame]

I can now have nano in my park because of the baby update

[feral cedar]

Nanotyrannus is not real

It never was

[tidal flame]

Well

[feral cedar]

no no

shhh

There’s no Nanotyrannus

[tidal flame]

There is though

I saw it

[feral cedar]

Troodon at least COULD be a different species maybe

But no Nanotyrannus

[tidal flame]

It called to me in a dream

It said “Alan”

[late swallow]

A wonderful grad student can't remember name atm posted a video recently going over the history

[austere sparrow]

"Nanotyrannus" was actually just manlet Tyrannosaurus, pass it on

[ancient ibex]

Working with anything Tyrannosaurus tangential has insane ammounts of clout chasing AND weird online discussion

[feral cedar]

Hey guys I had an idea - the Two Medicine troodontid gets called Stenonychosaurus formosus

[left spear]

I mean while i think the material evidence for Nano is quite bad there's really not anything saying there could be a smaller tyrannosaur species on NA at the time, wouldn't really be Nanotyrannus but i wouldn't mind if they gave It the name

[tidal flame]

Thoughts on Raptor Rex

[austere sparrow]

How about Stegoceras formosus 🤔

[late swallow]

Don't we have other small Tyrannosaurs

[tidal flame]

Yes

[austere sparrow]

Asiatyrannus

[hollow furnace]

In what way lol, the Nanotyrannus holotype is a gorgeously preserved skull and Jane is an incredibly complete specimen

[tidal flame]

Raptor Rex

[feral cedar]

define small

[austere sparrow]

Don't say Raptorex but with the r replaced with s

Saptorex

[left spear]

Bad as in palpable differences from a juvi rex

Or well adolescent/subadult

Not that the material itself is bad

[austere sparrow]

Nanotyrannus is bad because annoying people like it

[feral cedar]

COUGH Longrich

[left spear]

There are much worse of the weird relative fans

Saurophaganax

[feral cedar]

@ancient ibex knows more about Longrich and Nanotyrannus

[ancient ibex]

I know about Longrich's approach

[tidal flame]

Longrich?

Who are they?

[late swallow]

Not 10+ Metres long

[ancient ibex]

Nick Longrich, sexual harasser who is somewhat of a prolific worker

[late swallow]

A punk ass bitch

[feral cedar]

Longbitch over here is a Nanotyrannus supporter

[tidal flame]

I mean like what do they do that allowed them on the scene of nanotyrannus

[feral cedar]

hmmm

There’s a LOT of gray area in that

[ancient ibex]

Only Tyrannosaurins get to those sizes

[feral cedar]

iirc Albertosaurus is not 10+

[ancient ibex]

Other tyrannosaurids (or tyrannosaurs!) top out at around 9 meters

Even Maip is Alberto sized

[austere sparrow]

Damn, this guy looks like a grumpier version of the average German 40 year old

[flint sable]

sivalorhynchus and cotytherium are totally getting in

trust

[austere sparrow]

Don't do that. Don't give me hope

[flint sable]

just talked with mau in dms

says if we can pool 20$ he can make it happen

[left spear]

We're cooked

[ancient ibex]

Still better hybrids than the JW ones

[flint sable]

what do you mean hybrid

cotytherium and sivalorhynchus are totally real animals

[left spear]

Cotytherium sounds fun, lisowicia sized Caseid with hair

[flint sable]

no its

this guy

this individuals name is humphrey

[left spear]

Why did fun Guy over there get his tail amputated

[flint sable]

car crash

[left spear]

Mau caused It i'm sure

[flint sable]

his half brother Hubert is known as Sivalorhynchus

and is slightly larger

[left spear]

Atopodotes and Lepidentatus when

[flint sable]

human, asian elephant, and brachiosaurus for size comparison

[low bridge]

Aquatic Nigersaurus

[sharp plinth]

the face is atopodentatus

i think

[left spear]

Read the name

[low bridge]

I just found neaty animal for peak Kingdom

Sinclairomeryx

[sharp dock]

can't wait for glupshittia to be mentioned

[hollow flower]

Idk man this is pretty neat

[low bridge]

Yeah, Cenozoic is truly fascinating

Top 4 neat mammals that Devs must put into game after full release:
Climacoceras
Kyptoceras
Prolibytherium
Sinclairomeryx

I think that Cenozoic will Skyrocket the game

[hardy rock]

Olorotitan mentioned

I need Olorotitan in PK

That and Qianzhou

[wary nacelle]

Arenysaurus isn’t garbage in itself… I love Arenysaurus

[late swallow]

I'm still waving my Nanuqsaurus banner

[late swallow]

I'd take Alioramus or Qianzhousaurus

[steep tulip]

I prefer alioramus

Tbh they could be just alts lol

[wild relic]

I prefer both

As alts

[late swallow]

It's the undescribed postcranial material that has me hoping

[shell sonnet]

Putting another Tyrannosaurid before Albert, for shame

[austere sparrow]

JpogAlbertScream.wav

[outer moth]

If Stego's getting an alt, then narritively, it would prolly be Wuerho

[shell sonnet]

we don't know that; for all we know it could be the other steg species or Hespero

[steep tulip]

Daspletosaurus in alaska

[outer moth]

It's the most likely

[shell sonnet]

again, one can not say that

[outer moth]

True, but that's my best guess over Hespero

If a second stegosaur ever comes to the Morrison, I'd prefer it be Alcova

[ancient ibex]

Why not both

[shell sonnet]

to me, choosing Wuerho over the other steg species is like choosing Toro over T. prorsus,

[ancient ibex]

2 stegosaurins, 2 dacentrurins

[outer moth]

Stego's only one alt slot atm and my best guess would be the paleomeme narrative

Gives Nigel smth to talk abt

Hespero seems like more of a DLC choice to me despite it being popular in the paleocommunity

[plush nacelle]

To me wuerho is simply more appealing, because it brings geographical diversity

[outer moth]

Not to mention the devs could easily put their own spin on the plate reconstruction

Nigel could comment on that as well

[shell sonnet]

if Wuerho added something to an existing digsite or was found in one with a lot neat animals, I could agree with this. But it isn't found in one and it's neighbors are fragemtnary as all heck besides a species of Taco that currently isn't in the game.

[plush nacelle]

Also imma be honest, but wuerho being different genus makes it way more distinguishable for average person

[outer moth]

Plus it has a little more fame than Hespero to a general paleoaudience

Most of us grew up seein Weurho's wierdly flat plates

Only to be absolutely dumbfounded when it turns out the plates were completely different

[shell sonnet]

My argument isn't really for Hespero so much as making sure both S. stegnops and S. ungulatus are included

[outer moth]

Aren't most Stegosaurus species synonymous?

[slim flare]

Sorta

[late swallow]

Stenops and ungulatus are distinct, sulcatus is shrug and armatus is long gone

[outer moth]

I'd rather have skins that reference it

[slim flare]

Why

Just have the actual species. Afaik their plates are distinctly shaped.

[outer moth]

Kinda like what the devs did with the Wrangel mammoths and what they did with "Magnapaulia"

[late swallow]

There's also debate as to whether Wuerho is a distinct genus or not

[slim flare]

The devs never referenced the Wrangel mammoths

[late swallow]

Stego has always been a disaster

[slim flare]

The smallest skin is just based on Northern woolly mammoth populations

[late swallow]

Is this the only chat you hang out in Satan?

[slim flare]

No

[shell sonnet]

I mean that's signifciantly different

[late swallow]

The legendary black square metre

[silver steeple]

Ungulatus is potentially distinct but there's so little to it, it may as well just be Stegosaurus sp. Lol

[desert flame]

sulcatus looks like a Kentrosaurus.

[shell sonnet]

I'm not advocating for sulcatus

[steep tulip]

That's not what kentro looks like

[shell sonnet]

Yeah

[steep tulip]

I honestly still expecting it to be ungulatus

[outer moth]

Welp, I'd say that just proves the point that Wuerho fits the alt genera title better

[shell sonnet]

it looks more like Mira plates aside

[silver steeple]

It's based on dacenturines

Think Miragaia, Alcovasaurus etc

[hollow flower]

Id much rather have Woohoosaurus over ungulatus

[slim flare]

Why?

[steep tulip]

Here's kentro if you are curious

[silver steeple]

Cause ungulatus is shit, presumably

[slim flare]

Is Wuerho really any better?

[steep tulip]

Personal opinion
No

[slim flare]

It’s not very complete and on-again-off-again a synonym of Stegosaurus probably because it’s just so incomplete

[slim flare]

So what’s with the plate differences?

[silver steeple]

There aren't any afaik

Dan just made the keratin different if that's what you are referring to

[outer moth]

Simple

1. Popular paleomeme
2. Unique range/paleoclimate compared to Stego
3. Distinct enough in appearance compared to Stego
4. Related enough to work as an alternative genera

[slim flare]

“Distinct enough appearance” is definitely a lie

Unless you use the broken plates

[outer moth]

By that logic, a lot of species wouldn't be in the game

[steep tulip]

Ungulatus does have different plates

[slim flare]

One of them definitely shouldn’t…

[steep tulip]

I'm pretty sure that was one of its keys differences from stenops

[outer moth]

One could easily reconstruct them in a different way than the broken ones the media uses

[steep tulip]

It also had a weird thing going on with the ones in the tail, but I forgot what it was

[outer moth]

For example, this

[silver steeple]

Supposedly 3 pairs of thagomizers instead of 2

But that's not super confident

[outer moth]

Here's another decent Wuerho recon with restored plates

I get that there aren't too many good remains for it, but that logic goes to most of the animals in PK

[steep tulip]

Uh
That's quite interesting, what's going on with this animal lol

[outer moth]

The humble Argentinosaurus:

[slim flare]

Idk, if this plate distinction is real, I would probably want ungulatus. Hesperosaurus is… fine. Wuerhosaurus I guess would be ok.

[shell sonnet]

Argentinosaurus was added because of its status as the biggest, everything else be damned

[outer moth]

Nigel at least has smth to yap about with Wuerho
Hespero barely has anything going for it besides it being "Small Morrison stego"

[late swallow]

Carch

[outer moth]

Same logic

Carch has shitty remains

[hollow furnace]

Ungulatus specimens have plate differences I’m fairly certain, I think the question if that’s actually a species difference or just a specimen difference (not really that relevant for PK though)

[late swallow]

Oh I'm agreeing with you

[outer moth]

Yet it makes it in

[plush nacelle]

Idk. Wuerhosaurus can be fun asian stego used alongside jehol biota

[silver steeple]

Probably a lot of nonsense

[hollow furnace]

Stegosaurus is a mess tbh

[late swallow]

That just sounds like h8r talk ngl

[outer moth]

Doubt it can be used there tbh, but agreed

[silver steeple]

Can't hate something that ain't diagnostic

[late swallow]

Dreadnoughtus is the most complete titanosaur over 40t

[slim flare]

At least Titanosaurs look roughly the same

[sharp dock]

omg where

[late swallow]

It's still under 50% lmao

[shell sonnet]

it's not from there; it's from the western part of China

[slim flare]

Stegosaurids have plate and thagomizer distinctions that can’t be easily guessed

[late swallow]

If paleobiodb would fuckin load

[outer crater]

Imagine if dimetrodon is the only free roam permian animal

[outer moth]

Did the image not load?

[slim flare]

Honestly? I’m just glad Stego is getting an alt at all, whatever the alt may be.

(Unless it’s something we didn’t discuss here, then I’ll probably be pissed)

[hollow furnace]

PK is pulling a Mesozoica and adding a brand new Stego species coinciding with its publication

[outer moth]

Oh yeah, I'm still happy to see Stego get an alt as well, I just think it might not be Hespero like others think it might be

[slim flare]

It’s possible

[late swallow]

Idc what it is as long as it's a Thyreophoran

[slim flare]

I consider in order of probability:
ungulatus
Wuerhosaurus
Hesperosaurus

[proper maple]

hear me out jakapil

[outer moth]

Thyreophorans are still cool

[slim flare]

Too fragmentary and immature

[sharp dock]

where miragaia alt

[late swallow]

We only have two atm

[plush nacelle]

It is also from ejinhiro formation in inner mongolia

[shell sonnet]

that thing is a mess

[hollow furnace]

That’s now a different taxon

Mongolostegus

[shell sonnet]

that species is nomen nudum, it's now Mongolostegus

[late swallow]

Fuck you for making me react to my own message/ lh

[late swallow]

Idk how I feel about that name

[slim flare]

Honestly all Cretaceous Stegosaurs are poorly preserved

[late swallow]

Me too tho

[hollow furnace]

Except the new one

[river perch]

its a crying shame i keep finding all the good stegosaur remains and hiding them before the paleontologists can describe them

[tough marsh]

I wish Paranthodon was better

[outer moth]

Goes to most, if not all, fossil species

Just depends on where the funding goes

[proper maple]

lokiceratops and patagotitan

[flint sable]

very true

98% of fossil species are very badly preserved probably

unless its like from like

50 or so sites around the world

possibly less

but the best places the preservation is gorgeous

[steep tulip]

Honestly idc too much about stego alt
Hespero is like, alright
Whuero is mid
Ungulatus is the one I find mode interesting, even if turns out to be just stenops
You can just treat it as a stegosaur morph

[shell sonnet]

I mean gameplay wise, ungulatus and Hespero do come with a mixed exhibit bonus, even if the latter didn't live at the same time as most of the famous Morrison species

[ancient ibex]

This kind of stuff makes me want to toss part of my not-going-to-DinoCon-this-year savings into VIP, to potentially scratch the itch (plus a pattern down the line)

The weird thing about Stego is that we HAVE Lourinha stuff, but no Lourinha putative species AFAIK

Of course, Escaso

"...one tooth, five cervical vertebrae (including the axis), five dorsal vertebrae, cervical and dorsal ribs, three caudal vertebrae, chevrons, preacetabular process of the left ilium, right tibia, fibula, astragalus and [calcaneus], a cervical plate, and several fragments of plates."

Then again

Comes from the same rocks as Allo europaeus fwiw

[shell sonnet]

there we have another animal to add to Lourinha alongside A. europaeus and T. gurneyi and something to hang around with M. longicullum if we get it

[ancient ibex]

TTBT, Lourinha and Morrison is pretty much the same biota

[late swallow]

There were thought to be what, 3? Biotic interchanges

[hardy rock]

I’d like to see some Mexican species

And NEED more South American species

[late swallow]

We have 5 of 62 in the Southern Hemisphere

[austere sparrow]

If Alcovasaurus gets to be the token Miragaia alt instead of Dacentrurus I'll be hella annoyed ngl

Stego alts, I am not sure about. Other Stego species and Hespero would be neat, but not that impactful gameplay-wise probably. Wuerhosaurus is severely overhyped but also like. Famous, somehow, for some reason.

...Hm 🤔

Does Tuojiangosaurus seem like whatsoever feasible Stego alt material?

I could see it potentially working as another of the "subadult alts" I keep championing every other day or so

[hollow furnace]

Not really likely imo

[shell sonnet]

Wuerho is not paricularly famous, not anymore than all the other Chinese stegosaurus that are in JWE, or at a level where it matters (Kentro can least state it's comparable to Styraco, Eddie, and Albert)

Tuojiango is way too different from Steg to be an alt

[slim flare]

Wuerhosaurus was cut from JPOG so we need it!

[flint sable]

what wasnt cut from jpog

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/marge-i-just-think-theyre-neat-the-simpsons-neat-potato-gif-8549864

[austere sparrow]

In my experience, Wuerhosaurus is inexplicably famous in dinosaur communities. Not as much as Tuojiango but still

[late swallow]

T rex

[austere sparrow]

Might not be anymore

[flint sable]

ture...

but seriously though

the ammount of cut content that JPOG has is like

insane

[austere sparrow]

Funny that JPOG failed to have a single Triassic dinosaur

[flint sable]

that was cut

https://lucca2951.wixsite.com/jp-genesis-archives/cut-content-1

[slim flare]

Theropoda:
Velociraptor
Gallimimus
Tyrannosaurus
Albertosaurus
Carcharodontosaurus
Acrocanthosaurus
Allosaurus
Spinosaurus
Ceratosaurus
Dilophosaurus
Sauropodomorpha:
Camarasaurus
Brachiosaurus or Giraffatitan
Thyreophora:
Ankylosaurus
Stegosaurus
Kentrosaurus
Ornithopoda:
Edmontosaurus
Parasaurolophus
Corythosaurus
Ouranosaurus
Dryosaurus
Marginocephalia:
Triceratops
Torosaurus
Styracosaurus
Pachycephalosaurus
Homalocephale

[flint sable]

ture...

[ancient ibex]

Why?

[late swallow]

Well that's certainly a stegosaur

[shell sonnet]

I don't get that impression. That certainly wasn't the case before JWE 2 came out when Wuerho was really only known for being a cut animal from JPOG and for the mistaken belief it had rectangular plates.

[hollow flower]

Tuojiangosaur fall off must be studied

[shell sonnet]

it's less a fall off and more everyone else got a boost from JWE

if there's something worth studying it's how China was about to boost Chungkingo to being an equal to Kentro

[digital pendant]

wuerho was very prominent in a lot of dinosaur books so there is that

[late swallow]

My introduction to it was PaPi

[plush nacelle]

For me it was the cretaceous stego

[late swallow]

Don't anyone judge Wuerhouse

I'm funny damnit

[austere sparrow]

It just has absolutely nothing going for it outside of happening to live in Morrison

[shell sonnet]

my research doesn't go past the 80's but I have my doubts

[austere sparrow]

Dacentrurus is the biggest Stegosaur and appeared in both childrens dinosaur books and actual dinosaur media before

[plush nacelle]

Maybe it wasnt simply described back then?

[digital pendant]

whats the context of the percentage fields

[shell sonnet]

it was described in '73

[shell sonnet]

percentage of books I could find where the animal in question is illustrated

[digital pendant]

that percentage is forever gonna be skewed towards the specific country and language you are from tbh

[austere sparrow]

How do you do these kinda "search result popularity" searches you've been doing? I wouldn't mind double checking my guesses on some more edge case dinosaur popularities

[shell sonnet]

google trends

[austere sparrow]

Right, thanks

[ancient ibex]

Dacentrurins are all of comparable size, and being from the Morrison brings more to the table than either overlapping with Mira or coming from empty areas

[shell sonnet]

yes, my interest was in the English language with a particular bend towards America, though a tenth of the sample was British

[steep tulip]

Wuerhosaurus

Who let this guy reach this much fame

I don't believe there's not a better known cretaceous stegosaur

Except the new guy

[shell sonnet]

What happened was that Dravidosaurus had an identity crisis

[late swallow]

What new guy

New stegosaur dropped?

[steep tulip]

Wait

This one

Its early cretaceous isn't it

[ancient ibex]

Wouldn't be surprised at stegosaurs being a thing until the extinction event that also took out carnosaurs, diplodocoids, ichthyosaurs and pliosaurs, fwiw

[steep tulip]

I think we have stegosaur material from that time

From australia

And undescribed unfortunately

So yeah
Basically when the jurassic truly ended

[austere sparrow]

Disagree tbh. Morrison already has a Stegosaur (or maybe even two), Miragaia having a friend (even if it's just a clone) is worth more, imo

[plush nacelle]

Morrison eating all alts

Everybody else starving

Any camptosaurus alts out there?

[austere sparrow]

...Besides there's some reports of Miragaia from Morrison anyway so like. Your Morrison Dacentrurine Miragaia alt role could just be taken by it

[shell sonnet]

Morrison is hands down one of the most complete and studied and arguably the second most famous

and even then it's still missing a few key animals

[digital pendant]

tbf stegosaurus could also be added to lourinha

animals can be in more than one formation

[austere sparrow]

I am really glad they made that change tbh

Really helps with Formation bonuses and such

I do like different species alts in the same formation so far; but also feel like Morrison shouldn't be the only one getting in on the fun 🤔

[shell sonnet]

rather we fill in the gaps of Hell Creek and Morrison over adding animals that won't be sharing their sites with others

[plush nacelle]

I wish they used alt system to give something to Tendanguru 🥀

[shell sonnet]

(excptions do apply of course)

[austere sparrow]

Meh

We will probably never even touch stuff like birds, turtles and tiny shit overmuch, gaps in Hell Creek and Morrison are doomed to happen either way

Like I doubt we'll get shit like Obamadon, Purgatorius and the like; much less everything in that size tier

[shell sonnet]

mini are not be considered

[austere sparrow]

Even then. What chances for appearance do you give stuff like Haplocanthosaurus and Anzu, realistically

Or Gargoyleosaurus, or Sphearotholus

...Or hell, Nanotyrannus and Dakotaraptor (if either ends up valid) or Acheroraptor will be both almost guaranteedly remain glaring absences in Hell Creek at least

We will not get enough dinosaurs to plug the gaps either way. Not even ignoring minis, not even in Morrison.

[shell sonnet]

Those are too obscure in my book; I'm thinking things like Dippy, Certao, Campto and Orinothlestes and Lepto and Thescelo, which also fill in gaps elsewhere

[austere sparrow]

🤨 Nanotyrannus and Dakotaraptor are too obscure, but Alcovasaurus isn't?

[shell sonnet]

I didn't mention Alcova

[austere sparrow]

Fair

[digital pendant]

i can see anzu getting in

a worthy addition to hell creek

[austere sparrow]

I understand alts are the way to bring glubshittos into the game but like. Dacentrurus has an actual paleomedia presence. It was in Dinosaur King and (while that one was an utter flash in the pan) Dinosaur Britain. In contrast Alcovasaurus hasn't made it into a single documentary despite living in probably the second biggest media darling formation in all of prehistory

[austere sparrow]

Anzu would be neat. We do lack a North American Oviraptor still (I say as if we didn't receive our first Oviraptor literally a month from now) and I feel like unless the WWD movie somehow catapulted Chirorostenotes into fame while I wasn't looking, it would be the most sensible choice

[late swallow]

There's not a lot left in HC that isn't just gestures vaguely at stuff we already have

[slim flare]

Thescelosaurus…

[shell sonnet]

Lepto

[austere sparrow]

Don't let Erior hear you implicitly talk shit about Thescelosaurus like that :V

Oh shit Lepto

[late swallow]

Hey I said "not a lot" not "nothing"

[austere sparrow]

Fair xP

[late swallow]

Don't stir

[slim flare]

Thescelosaurus, Leptoceratops, Ornithomimus and Anzu would all be cool

And of course

[austere sparrow]

Isn't the Hell Creek Ornithomimus like. Ornithomimus sp.

[shell sonnet]

Alcova's problem is that the rules state there's only room for one stegosaur in every Morrison documentary and unless you're a hipster or a weasel, you're going to go with Steg

[slim flare]

No reason to split it afaik

[austere sparrow]

Alcova's problem is that it's a waste of a model

[slim flare]

?

[steep tulip]

I wouldn't mind getting all 3 tbh

[austere sparrow]

Like in most documentaries, I mean

[steep tulip]

Alcova mira and dacen

[late swallow]

[austere sparrow]

I guess I could live with all three, but we have yet to receive an animal where every alt is an alt genus

[late swallow]

You mean Alcova Dacen and Dacen

[austere sparrow]

Dios mio, a lumper 😭

[steep tulip]

Dacen, dacen but from the usa, dacen but small

[late swallow]

The most recent I can find that puts Mira into Dacen keeps Alcova distinct

[austere sparrow]

...Well if Mira gets Lumped into Dacen; unless it gets a different species assigned to it, we definitely should get Alcova so at least someone can be happy about the situation 😔

For future generations; the Dacentrurus I keep bellyaching about is D.armatus. The Dacentrurus that was eventually added to Prehistoric kingdom ( 🤞 ) was D.longicullum.

[late swallow]

[Formerly Miragaia

[steep tulip]

yeah I was joking

its probably best to keep them all distinct for now

[shell sonnet]

Speaking of ornitho, I'd rather we get Struthiomimus altus for Two Horseshoes as the main one and then work our way from there

[late swallow]

Struthi or Archaeo personally

I grew attached to Archaeo in JWE2

[shell sonnet]

Archaeo I think is quite a bit different

[late swallow]

Yes, I pack bonded with the Rex food

[austere sparrow]

I am fine with whatever "nomal sized" Ornithomimid we end up getting personally but I always love myself some alt genera

...Even if Miragaia came with an Alcova alt I would (hopefully) just grumble for a bit and then accept it

Hopefully

I am not sure how normal I'll be at that point lol

[late swallow]

You're not normal now

[austere sparrow]

Chances are most animals will just stay alt-less tho

I am not? 🥺

But I made sure to take my normal pills...

[steep tulip]

inhaling conspicuous amount of copium for the giraffe

[austere sparrow]

The giraffe... The mighty giraffe... I am trembling at its grave

[hollow furnace]

Finally, normal giraffe in PK

[left spear]

Whooly giraffe would be so cool...

[ancient ibex]

The type of Ornithomimus comes from a formation of comparable age (Denver formation), so good enough for HC

[feral cedar]

Hello everyone

Hypsilophodon

That's it, bye

[flint sable]

ok

thumbs up emoji

[cinder python]

Euparkeria

[ancient ibex]

The True Parker

So, Spider-man in crocobird shape

[feral cedar]

who says this is bait

Hypsilophodon would be a neat critter

[austere sparrow]

According to Poole 2022, Hypsilophodon is closely related to Leaellynasaura

Clearly this means we don't need Hypsilophodon, as we already have an incredibly similar animal

Ignore the multiple other recent studies that recover it elsewhere

Actually wait hold on

Am I tripping or are the non-Leaellynasaura features in PKs Leaellynasaura based on Hypsilophodon anyway

[feral cedar]

I mean one could argue that we should've gotten Hypsilophodon and Tenontosaurus instead of Leaellynasaura and Muttaburrasaurus respectively

[austere sparrow]

If one wanted to be incorrect, they could have certainly made that argument

And also; upon further comparison, false alarm; Leaellynasaura's skull is partially known and based on that; and while I'm not sure I'd consider any non-head bodypart of Hypsilophodon worthy of consultation, the devs apparently shared this opinion since the lengths don't line up there either

[feral cedar]

Leaellynasaura is based on a skeletal that people showed me here once

[austere sparrow]

Neat

I really do not understand the Hypsi hype. It's an utter generic glubshitto who is only notable for being discovered early

[feral cedar]

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/319352409_Revealing_the_skeleton_of_the_polar_dinosaur_Leaellynasaura_amicagraphica_using_synchrotron_computed_tomography

[feral cedar]

EXCUSE ME

Hypsilophodon is many things but it's not a glupshitto

[austere sparrow]

Please enlighten me as to what I am missing about it then

[feral cedar]

It could be a bit redundant with Leaelly, sure. Maybe its appeal is because of its ecosystem but it's NOT a glupshitto

Look at this beautiful cast. Oh wait, that's not a cast... that's a SPECIMEN

[austere sparrow]

Nice specimen. Not bad for a glupshitto

I do enjoy how happy the baby looks.

Lil fella is just happy to be here

[feral cedar]

This is the only confidently assigned material to leaelly

its claim to fame, the long tail, isn't even confirmed to belong to the dinosaur

now THAT'S a glupshitto. A piece of the skull

[austere sparrow]

I mean tbf, Leaellyna being a glupshitto too doesn't make Hypsilophodon less of a glupshitto

Leaellyna is a Nanuqsaur; boosted to fame despite garbage skeletal remains. Like, hell, the most famous portrayal of it entirely lacks the long tail. Obscurity is an important aspect for glupshittohood though, and while you could argue Leaellyna deserves it, it doesn't have it

...Do kinda hope the long tail ends up with something else, tho. Ideally something that is less of a mouthful to say.

[feral cedar]

@ancient ibex Están insultando al Hipsilofodonte

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-that-guy-spiderman-spider-man-into-the-spider-verse-spiderverse-kingpin-gif-20437897

[ancient ibex]

Nobody agrees with that

[austere sparrow]

Yeah I can see why lol

[ancient ibex]

Literally one of the best well known among the first dinosaurs to be discovered, I dunno what your definition of glupshitto is, but I believe being contrarian for the sake of it is just a waste of everybody's time

[austere sparrow]

Also damn, I sure hope you have better pro-Hypsilophodon arguments than "Bones pretty" and death threats 😔

[median relic]

bro called a hit

tbh I think hypsi could have a place because it is a fairly iconic dinosaur

[austere sparrow]

A glupshitto, by my definition, is an obscure or generic animal that has more interesting or famous relatives available or already ingame

[median relic]

like it's a glupshitto, but it's THE glupshitto you know

[ancient ibex]

So half of the stuff you suggest?

[median relic]

LOL

[austere sparrow]

And I mean being discovered early is neat and all but Megalosaurus and Cetiosaurus don't seem to be gaining a spot based off of that

[digital pendant]

Guys behave

[ancient ibex]

I'm sorry, but this approach is getting tiresome, let's not be jerks about what others want

[austere sparrow]

My stuff is at least interesting lol

[median relic]

tbh you can make animals different beyond their skeleton idk why nobody talks about that

[digital pendant]

Everyone would benefit if no one took their suggestions as the only valid ones and dont voice their negative opinions all the time 🙂

Their as a plural

Before anyone takes it out of context or smth

[median relic]

also didn't hypsi live with iguanodon and bary? (or at least those renamed baryonychines)

[feral cedar]

Agreed
-# except Nanotyrannus suggestions it's morally required to insult those

[austere sparrow]

Everyone would benefit if people put the slightest bit of thought into their suggestions instead of just vomiting out bad ideas constantly 😔

[ancient ibex]

The Wealden-Las Hoyas biota did involve baryonychines, basalwards carcharodontosaurs, mid-sized pantyrannosaurs, early ornithomimosaurs, polacanths and multiple ornithopods, from Hypsi to Iguano sizes

[feral cedar]

I do think it's one thing to respectfully disagree and it's another to wave away something as a "glupshitto" or call it a "bad idea". One is a friendly debate in the friendly debate channel, the other is just making someone feel bad about what they like... which is never good

[median relic]

the nanotyrannosaurus

[feral cedar]

Sometimes listening to what others have to say could even change your mind

[toxic oriole]

I don't even know what the hell a "glupshitto" is

Nor what it even means

[digital pendant]

You could tone down that sort of thinking. You are getting mad on your own and that just makes you look unnecessarily aggressive towards others in this chat

[feral cedar]

I used to think Uintatherium was the only good dinoceratan available but after listening to the people of this channel now I'm open to Eobasileus, who has an awesome name by the way

[median relic]

it means whatever the user wants tbh
I associate it with homunculus

[toxic oriole]

Now WHICH ONE OF YOU GUYS CONCEPTUALIZED THAT WORD?!?!?!?!?!?

[median relic]

oh that's been a word on the internet

not just here

[toxic oriole]

Strange, I dont see it anywhere other than here

[digital pendant]

Meme word

[austere sparrow]

I mean I have been sold on animals here before. But I feel like there's good suggestions and bad suggestions, you know? Everybody makes fun of Nanuqsaurus and Nanotyrannus (for distinct reasons), but stuff like Hypsilophodon is sacrosanct?

[feral cedar]

The original usage of glupshitto was in Star Wars and was used to refer mockingly to super obscure background characters that Star Wars fans treated as significantly more important

[median relic]

OHHHH hahaha

[toxic oriole]

So people could just say Velocisaurus (Yes, thats a thing), is one of those guys, huh?

[digital pendant]

Tbf any sort of talk about nano usually ends up on a mockery in this server. As for nanuq I agree it could be toned down the mockery. Sure is fragmentary as fuck, but hey if someone legitimately wants to suggest it then thats fine

[median relic]

rapator is a glupshitto tbh
the smaller the animal is and the more fragmentary it is, the higher on the scale it is

[feral cedar]

And the term glupshitto was used in dinosaurian contexts in the JP/JW franchise when referring to the franchise's own version of this - background set dressing names. The Segisaurus in the brochure, the corpse of a Peloroplites, the extremely brief mention of Coelurus in the Jurassic World holoscape

[late swallow]

There is yet undescribed postcranial of nanuqsaurus, and nano is rather well understood as a n.d.

[median relic]

there is??

[toxic oriole]

We'll see how that plays out in the future

[median relic]

also bro

[digital pendant]

Also lets be real at the rate conversations go in this chat. The perceived quality of suggestions will decrease

[austere sparrow]

I definitely do feel like we're using glupshitto wrong in here tbh. Often as just a synonym of "I don't personally like this thing", sometimes.

[median relic]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-bus-stop-angry-shouting-gif-5144560278104615828

[digital pendant]

People would be surprised that talking like a normal person and not like a brainrotted tik tok user could in fact improve communication here 😉

[austere sparrow]

🤷‍♀️ I dunno, the general server atmosphere is pretty hostile, acting hostile back is just the only way to avoid getting pounced on and bullied out

[late swallow]

Yes, there is

[feral cedar]

A "glupshitto" in paleontological contexts is very difficult to define since we're discussing a scientific field whose main purpose is researching ancient life through the fragments we find below the ground, not necessarily a funny game

[median relic]

how much

what

[austere sparrow]

I mean strictly speaking, a glupshitto in paleontological contexts isn't a thing that exists 😔

[median relic]

ok I'm not even gonna lie that's true sometimes but I just let it fall over me

[toxic oriole]

Gargantuavis.

[digital pendant]

Oh i agree which is why I often tell everyone off instead of a user in particular because its too much tbh

[median relic]

now THAT'S A GLU-

[digital pendant]

Idk whats about dinosaurs that make people rather hostile

[toxic oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-bunny-grab-hand-meme-gif-9151059333928663509

[austere sparrow]

Gargantuavis is a perfectly serviceable piece of ass(bone) thank you very much

[median relic]

they would eat me 🥀

[late swallow]

I have a hypothesis

[austere sparrow]

I mean the main problem is just the lack of moderation lol

[feral cedar]

I mean...

I just said Hypsilophodon was cool and you started being disrespectful

[digital pendant]

I mean im trying to moderate yet you arent cooperating

So who is to blame

[austere sparrow]

...Not that I blame you. Volunteer, only so many places at once

[toxic oriole]

Lack of moderation in this thread in GENERAL, from what someone could say
Eh, cant analyze it that well

[austere sparrow]

I am cooperating though? The Hypsilophodon discussion has entirely stopped

[feral cedar]

Saying it's irrelevant, calling it a glupshitto...

[digital pendant]

Thanks for that btw

[austere sparrow]

Yeah, sorry for being mean to your blorbo 😔

[toxic oriole]

If it means getting obscure animals into a popular game, I would unironically suggest a few things

[median relic]

can we just calm down, I don't think this guy wanted to start a feud

[feral cedar]

my precious

[toxic oriole]

Like Velocisaurus, obscure as hell
Or even Avisaurus

[digital pendant]

Maybe thats why hypsi is extinct

[median relic]

it ragebaited all of its contemporaries into killing it

[feral cedar]

Avisaurus is so cool ngl

[late swallow]

The amount of mods does feel inadequate for the size of the server imo

[feral cedar]

It did that thing in The Isle where it puked at them

[toxic oriole]

what

[median relic]

True...

[austere sparrow]

Thinking about the server a bit harder now; the fact that it's a project server that doubles as a community server also probably isn't helping, huh.

[late swallow]

And another thing I've noticed is the "I know everything" attitude that saturates communities like this

[feral cedar]

indeed

[toxic oriole]

Hey I thought of something that could work!
https://perchance.org/extinct-species

[feral cedar]

People don't know everything

[toxic oriole]

this website

[feral cedar]

I mean I do, but no one else does

[median relic]

I don't know everything
but I do know nanotyrannus was real

[digital pendant]

The nature of indie games

[toxic oriole]

And the first thing I get when I input 1 into the whole thing is Tachisaurus

Oh, Tochisaurus

whoopsies

[brisk spruce]

Arthropleura for terrarium

[toxic oriole]

uhhhh...

[late swallow]

i'm also gonna own that sometimes i do act like that, and i'm working on that

[median relic]

ME for terrarium

[toxic oriole]

Next roll gave me this guy

[flint sable]

can iget link

[toxic oriole]

yes, right here

[austere sparrow]

Oh, it's that guy I keep mistakenly calling Thescelosaurus

[toxic oriole]

XENO!?

[austere sparrow]

Xenoceratops? Oh, no, different Xeno.

...Maybe there are glupshittos in paleontology after all.

[feral cedar]

Perhaps we all do

[toxic oriole]

New something tooth

Rolled twice and it gave me Acanthostega

Would the amphibian be a good fit? If so, terrarium or freeroam?

now it rolled to Lusotitan

[late swallow]

2ft long? probably terrarium

[toxic oriole]

Fair enough

[feral cedar]

ngl it's a bit sad but five years ago I wouldn't have been that active here

[toxic oriole]

This website generates alot of animals, obscure and popular

[late swallow]

but i don't personally see Acanth getting in, as a nother Stegocephalian is already coming

[feral cedar]

as my knowledge of prehistoric animals increases so does my wants for a roster

[toxic oriole]

Would you believe it if I found out about Velocisaurus because of that generator?

[late swallow]

real

also, Dr. False Penguin, do you hold a doctorate? curious, is all

[feral cedar]

Before I'd have been happy with just Ankylosaurus, Euoplocephalus, and Sauropelta for ankylosaurs. But now that I learn more I'm like "holy shit Polacanthus, Edmontonia, Tarchia, Stegouros"

[austere sparrow]

I found out about like five new animals I've already forgotten about thanks to that generator, and I go on enough random Wikipedia binges that I already knew Velocisaurus

[feral cedar]

Yes

[austere sparrow]

So yeah I believe you

[median relic]

polacanthus the goat

[toxic oriole]

Its how I found out about Gargantuavis, from what I can remember

I tell ya, I want more of stuff like that

[feral cedar]

My taste in dinosaurs is highly informed by my childhood ngl

[austere sparrow]

Praise be to the glorious glupshittos of paleontology tbh

[toxic oriole]

The generator just gave me Udanoceratops

[feral cedar]

Albertosaurus is permanently glued to my brain because it was touted as THE placenamesaur in my old dino book

And to be fair it was the only placename in the book

[toxic oriole]

... Huh?

Thats new

[austere sparrow]

I thought Bakonydraco was a Tapejarid?

[toxic oriole]

Uhhhh

[austere sparrow]

I guess maybe it got clade-moved. Or maybe I just misremembered

[feral cedar]

Actually it wasn't the only placename in the book since Lesothosaurus was there too, but I didn't know Lesotho was a country at the time so lol

[toxic oriole]

Yeah I saw a few websites mention it as a Tapejarid, now Wikipedia has it as an Azdharcid

What gives?

[late swallow]

it's an Azhdarchoid

[feral cedar]

cladistics, my friend

[toxic oriole]

FRUGIVOROUS PTEROSAUR!??!?!?!

[late swallow]

Wikipedia also has it as a Tapejarid in the little blurb thing

[austere sparrow]

...Wait is this thing just a lower jaw

[austere sparrow]

Tapejarids are frugivores!

[toxic oriole]

Oh right, herbivores

... Wait just a damn minute

[late swallow]

depending on whose cladogram you use,. its either a Tapejarine or a Sinopterine

[toxic oriole]

Yeah I know Tapejarid pterosaurs are herbivorous or something

[feral cedar]

I'm only now noticing a cool little detail. All the ornithocheiroids that couldn't forage on the wing are azhdarchoids

[toxic oriole]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pararhabdodon
Generator gave me this guy now

[feral cedar]

Thalassodromids and azhdarchids were built to run/walk and go after terrestrial prey, and the herbivorous tapejarids obviously landed to eat fruit like parrots

Also I want to quickly point out that this would be TERRIFYING to witness in-person

[austere sparrow]

A Thalassodromid appears early on in the "Strange Birds" Twitter horror ARG thing. It makes quite the impression despite being mostly obscured and getting only a single picture

...I guess it could have also been Tupandactylus given the lack of detail but like. The text implies people got eaten, so uh, yeah.

[ancient ibex]

And then there's Dsungaripterus, about the earliest diverging azdharchoid, going for clams and the like

[feral cedar]

oh yeah that cute lil guy

I honestly kinda want a Paraceratherium type situation for tapejarids

Tupandactylus imperator/navigans with a Tapejara alt genus

[toxic oriole]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microleo

Fun sized Thylacoleonid

I think?

[austere sparrow]

Personally hoping for both Tapejara and Tupandactylus as distinct genera, really let the devs play with skins

[austere sparrow]

Thylacoleonids out here inventing quolls

I mean. I guess realistically they're probably plenty different. But still

[feral cedar]

The anatomy of Microleo suggests the genus is basal to all the known thylacoleonids, known as the marsupial lions, although its relative size prompted one discoverer to describe it as the "feisty" kitten of the family.

THE FEISTY KITTEN

[toxic oriole]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polesinesuchus
Say, this guy looks quite similar to nodosaurid ankylosaurs, somewhat.

Yes, aetosaur

[austere sparrow]

Oh, Aetosaurs! Neat

Hoping to get at least Desmatosuchus down the line, since it's surprisingly not non-existent in paleomedia. Maybe alongside a less impressively spiky alt, like Typothorax

[feral cedar]

aetosaurs are part of those pseudosuchians imitating dinosaurs before those dinosaurs existed

my favorite genre

[austere sparrow]

Great genre

Unlike those stupid dinosaurian bozos, they also figured quadrupedal carnivores out; too

Unless you count penguins

[median relic]

also aetosaurs had armored bellies whereas ankylosaurs did not

[austere sparrow]

I mean. Presumably the only thing keeping Ankylosaurs from bellyarmor was the lack of necessity

[flint sable]

ture...

[late swallow]

desmatoooooo

[median relic]

thing I love about aetosaurs nobody talks about is they have dumb pig noses

[austere sparrow]

Desmatosuchus is a contemporary of Coelophysis and Placerias (I believe). It appears in an utterly silly amount of media

[austere sparrow]

It's in "When Dinosaurs roamed America", Dino DDay, Paleopines...

[median relic]

no it does not lol

[median relic]

that's it

[late swallow]

Desmatosuchuses

[median relic]

also do you realize how obscure DDay and paleopines are

[late swallow]

yes

i have 440 in papi

[i'm also banned from the discord]

[median relic]

even WDRA is the least great of the early 2000s paleodocs (aside from Valley of the t rex)

[austere sparrow]

It's an Aetosaur. Three media pieces, two of them hella obscure, is insane by their standards

[late swallow]

i own 2 of them lmao

[median relic]

tbh in paleo pines' case they do make relatively deep cuts

it was funny in DDay

[austere sparrow]

...Also it might be in Fossil Fighters, I want to say...? Might be wrong about that tho

[open heron]

the fact it's not a dinosaur AND it's triassic (the era people avoid like the plague) probably puts off a lot of people who make paleomedia

[open heron]

nah, no crocs in fossil fighters.

[median relic]

it was not

[austere sparrow]

F 😔

But yeah three pieces of media is like. I'm p sure that's more than what Placerias has

[median relic]

aside from being squat armored tetrapods and starting with A, can anyone tell me what aetosaurs and armadillos have in common

[austere sparrow]

Though I guess Placeriases one media is WWD so.

[median relic]

naaaaahhhh

[open heron]

quadrupedal

[median relic]

that came with squat-

[austere sparrow]

Okay, what non-WWD media has Placerias been in then lmfao

[open heron]

postosuchus is squat but it's certainly bipedal

same with majungasaurus

[median relic]

ok tbh yeah placerias kinda just boosted the popularity of dicynodonts in general

but the ischigualastia in dinosaur revolution was modelled after placerias and was originally to be called that since that segment was supposed to be in the Chinle formation but they already made that model

[median relic]

yes ok but it's not what I meant

[austere sparrow]

...I wonder if the fucking. What was that Netflix slop documentary called. If that one means Erythrosuchus is "famous" now

[austere sparrow]

Damn. RIP Ischigualastia, Brachiosaurus of Dicynodontids

[median relic]

also, both quadrupedal?? think again https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Bipedal-posture-of-G-clavipes-estimated-by-the-model-The-inclination-of-the-body-trunk_fig3_278783609

[open heron]

oh wow that changes every armadillo ever, got to tell the ones at the zoo that they're walking wrong /j

[median relic]

anyways aetosaurs and armadillos both have one randomly carnivorous member (neoaetosauroides and macroeuphractus)

there might even be another carnivorous aetosaur iirc but idk

[median relic]

he identifies as a biped ok??

[austere sparrow]

Aren't both Aetosaurs and Armadillos omnivores by default?

[median relic]

all other aetosaurs are herbivores afaik

[open heron]

Aetosaurs might have been partially insectivorous

[median relic]

and only the modern clade of armadillos is omnivorous I think. Pampatheres and glyptodonts were herbivores

[austere sparrow]

Maybe Desmatosuchus is that upcoming insectivore 🤔

[open heron]

If only.

but I doubt it sadly.

expecting either a mini or a dinosaur unless stated otherwise

[austere sparrow]

Chances seem bad yee

Goshdarng dinosaurs, hogging all the slots 😔

[flint sable]

they are both ugly

and the big ones are extinct

also they both lived in south america

[median relic]

I would name him Jerry

[flint sable]

wtf