Community Species Suggestions

[austere sparrow]

Reminds me of that. Italian brainrot trend. Sucomimo Aligatopepperoni

[ancient ibex]

In my experience it is the other way around

And I speak Galician which is a member of the Portuguese family

[left spear]

One thing i can say is that portugese is much easier to understand that galician atleast to me

[digital pendant]

Honestly is the accent

Portugal's accent is quite harsh

Brazilian accent is much more similar to other spanish accents

[digital pendant]

Source, my grandfather was a pain in the ass to understand 😂

[feral cedar]

Yeah that sounds about right

[digital pendant]

Galician is a funny dialect, sort of like a portuñol of sorts

Which makes sense given the position of Galicia

[left spear]

Oh man i can feel you, my grandfather was from Extremadura and It was like talking to someone from the 16th century

[feral cedar]

Here’s a lot of examples of Spanish dinosaur names

[ancient ibex]

Eh, language rather than dialect; if anything a dialect within a greater portuguese language

[left spear]

I mean if anything portugese is a galician dialect historicallt, tho tbh i would say they are different enough

It's not like Catalán and Valencian

[digital pendant]

True thats a more accurate representation

[feral cedar]

Saurornithoides has a small typo, it should be Saurornitoide, not Surornitoide

[left spear]

I mean tbh it's a spanish dinosaur book, don't expect much

[feral cedar]

Oh wow

[left spear]

I remember growing with the Ceroadactilo

[ancient ibex]

But yeah, medieval Galician spread into Portugal, the split was around the 15th century, close to the Euro vs Brazilian Portuguese split, and then Galician got a heavy Castillian influence, Portugal switched to a stress-timing (which is WEIRD AF for Romance languages), and Brazil worked up the melting pot approach with native populations and the goddamn slave trade

[left spear]

Sounds like a swear Word for street people or something

[digital pendant]

The language talk is interesting but i think the thread's topic got derailed long enough

[ancient ibex]

I believe JPOG went with Quentrosaurio...

[feral cedar]

true

[ancient ibex]

Which would be a great animal for PK lol

[feral cedar]

my book just says uh

lemme check

[left spear]

Tbh i'm surprised there's no kentro in EA

[feral cedar]

Yeah it just says Kentrosaurio

[ancient ibex]

The second stegosaur was intended to be Miragaia after all

Let's see how the potential Stego alt goes cue U17

[amber field]

one day with Edmonton, they will do a big return

[left spear]

Btw any suggestions after Kentro and Dacen/Mira?

[feral cedar]

Tuojiangosaurus 🗣️

[left spear]

What was the name of the very small and modern one

[digital pendant]

I would love huayangosaurus

Or gigantspinosaurus

Either or

Neat asian little stegos

[late swallow]

yes. something from Huayangosauridae

[left spear]

Could they be a kentro alt?

[feral cedar]

no

too different

[ancient ibex]

Tuoji and Gigantspino are IMO the better approach to Asian stegosaurs

Then again, taxonomic stability in thyreophorans is hard to come by

[feral cedar]

Idk at what point I learnt about Tuojiangosaurus and Wuerhosaurus at the same time and they became my personal go-tos for Asian stegosaurs

They were the "other" ones next to Stegosaurus and its glorified sidekick Kentrosaurus in my eyes

Granted, Wuerhosaurus is...

[late swallow]

i like Wuerhosaurus, but

yeah

maybe its just S. homheni

[left spear]

I mean Wuerho isn't like bad

Def low priority but it's not a bad candidate

[feral cedar]

in the interest of this I want to suggest Diplodocus, Saurornithoides, and Deinonychus. The others are already confirmed

[late swallow]

Dippy better come

[left spear]

I mean they are pretty soft confirmed tbh

[feral cedar]

Actually maybe Saurornithoides doesn't have to specifically be that one

Just a troodontid

[left spear]

Even better then

You'll surely be able to make the park

[feral cedar]

Stenonychosaurus or neotyped Troodon will save me 🙏

And I guess I could use Utahraptor as a Deinonychus proxy

[left spear]

Tbh even just Troodontid sp

They're kidna the same animal in the end

[feral cedar]

Give me Troodontinae indet.

specifically

[austere sparrow]

Really want Sauropelta back ngl 😔

[left spear]

Either like 80% Utah or Deinon proper

Deinon seems like a likely dlc

[feral cedar]

Actually ngl I could also use Apatosaurus as a dippy proxy until further notice

Which only leaves waiting for stego, compy, and ovi to drop

https://tenor.com/view/kingpin-spider-man-spiderverse-into-the-spiderverse-clicking-gif-8798937323542139102

[late swallow]

ovi soon™

[ancient ibex]

I honestly want Troodontine rep for Dinosaur Park, Djadotcha, and Prince Creek

[late swallow]

my big wait is Allo

[ancient ibex]

Can be done with Troodon with Saurornithoides alt

[left spear]

So you'll be able to make It by like march or april

[feral cedar]

I doubt we'll have all 3 of those by then

[feral cedar]

Troodon formosus/sp. with a Saurornithoides alt would be cool

[left spear]

I mean i'm picturing u16 by december/january

[feral cedar]

How long does it take the ICZN to make a ruling anyway

I'm genuinely curious about what they'll say regarding the neotype

It could be a neotype for Troodon, or Stenonychosaurus... or get its own genus

[sharp dock]

Never saw Triceratopo in my life

[left spear]

Here It is, the triceratopo

Nah but being serious Ceratogaulus would be very cool

[austere sparrow]

Ceratogaulus, the horny gopher, if you wish

[left spear]

Ah right english speakers don't get the joke

Topo means mole

[feral cedar]

-# I miss Peltephilus...

[plush nacelle]

Terror shrew

[steep tulip]

Could go well with hoplitomeryx...

[amber field]

I hope we got them in the future

[plush nacelle]

Damn. I thought dinosorex was bigger 💀

[steep tulip]

Oh you weren't talking about deinogaleryx lol

That one is pretty big

Tho I think it was closer to hedgehogs

[ancient ibex]

Yep, moonrat

[vivid field]

We need Dinosaurus (big obvious joke)

[steep tulip]

Pretty neat fellow, wouldn't mind getting it as a mini

[steep tulip]

Whoever named that guy must have felt really smart

[flint sable]

joschua knuppe just did Gargano Island which is where Deinogalerix is from

[flint sable]

kinda ironic

[steep tulip]

Ohhh

So amazing

Noooooo
Hoplitomeryx

I assume its a baby

Wait no

Which one is the small one

I believe hoplitomeryx is the one in the background

[plush nacelle]

All of them are

Few species with different size range

Small is H. apulicus Big is H. magnus

[steep tulip]

Ohhh

[lean hound]

joschua

[steep tulip]

I totally forgot it had different species lol

[amber field]

Always when I open his paleo art discover new thing, the attention to details is insane

[lean hound]

I love the art style so much

[amber field]

Yeah, his art style looks so lovely

[plush nacelle]

Hoplitomeryx is what PK exactly needs. Small herbivore mammal

[steep tulip]

🗣️ 🗣️

Good

Spread hoplitomeryx propaganda

[plush nacelle]

First propalaeotherium

Then hoplitomeryx to make good use of rig

Or any other small deer

[sharp dock]

Marvelous gargano piece wtf

[ancient ibex]

Eryops may be on an odd place as it'd require an aquatic nest, and its juveniles to be mostly watergoing, but a lion sized frogamander is epic

[steep tulip]

It is indeed epic

And imo it would work very well for full exhibit

[amber field]

imo , they can begin with old stage, that would be easier to work with

it can work as full exhibit

[late swallow]

that man's a football

[low bridge]

Big hope for Nuralugus Rex for Christmas

Easter Bunny should be good in game

[sage gull]

Liaoningosaurus

[flint sable]

it wasnt semiaquatic though

[ancient ibex]

Fossils show us how something died after all

[past mist]

isn’t that the one they found with a fish in its stomach or am I getting it mixed up with something else

[hollow furnace]

Yes

As in, it probably either fell on some fish or some fish got into its gut cavity post-mortem

Not that it ate fish

[past mist]

oh ok

[austere sparrow]

Eryops would be great to have, but what the hell are they feeding your lions over there that they're so short

[late swallow]

M. exilis and M. columbi are some i'd like to see

[feral cedar]

size seems to refer in this case to mass

[late swallow]

M. columbi would give us another friend in la brea

[feral cedar]

Erior suggests Eryops

lol

[late swallow]

what the fuck is an eryops

[austere sparrow]

I mean, I can see that, but just say mass then. Mass is its own word that exists.

[feral cedar]

true

[austere sparrow]

Beeeg Frogge.

(Not actually a frog but welp)

[feral cedar]

ngl I was just chilling and I realized having trike and toro is like having African and Asian elephants to an extent

[late swallow]

It's not Beelzebufo

[late swallow]

yeah,

yeah i see it

[feral cedar]

Loxodonta and Elephas are related but different animals

So... Torosaurus and Triceratops

[austere sparrow]

Think Tiktaalik but built for land cruising and really big and chonky and with an even more disproportionately huge head.

[late swallow]

APPARENTLY SOME GUY TELLING PEOPLE HE'S SELLING SOME TEETH WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO CHANGE THE ASSIGNED GENUS OF A SPECIMEN THAT WAS NAMED 29 YEARS PRIOR

[austere sparrow]

Wait huh what

[feral cedar]

I wonder if there's any reason to include Liaoningosaurus if it's not semi-aquatic

[austere sparrow]

What genus

If we found an adult I could see it having a unique flair to it, it was seemingly pretty basal apparently.

[late swallow]

Some Englander was selling teeth in 1829 of "Mammuthus borealis", while the Wooly Mammoth was erected as "Elephas primigenius" in 1799

[austere sparrow]

...And if it turns out the seeming baby we found is actually an adult then uh. Pocket Ank I guess

[late swallow]

and E. primigenius got moved over to Mammuthus???????

[austere sparrow]

Oh yeah, you told me about that one already

[late swallow]

that's not how this works

[austere sparrow]

Whacky

[late swallow]

that's not how any of this works

[feral cedar]

Wait is that the sole reason why woolly mammoths are in the Mammuthus genus

[late swallow]

from what i could find from teh Wikipedia, at least

Ciconia maltha.

[ancient ibex]

Said like somebody who would say giraffes are larger than elephants

[austere sparrow]

Said like somebody who would say elephants are taller than giraffes

[ancient ibex]

Eh, more like African forest and bush elephants if anything

[late swallow]

well it depends how you want to interpret 'large'

[ancient ibex]

Ah yeah, like the toddlers that cannot realize that a taller glass doesn't hold more water than a shorter one

[flint sable]

nah

Elephas and Loxodonta isnt a good example either though

Loxodonta and Palaeoloxodon would be a better one if were going from proboscideans

[ancient ibex]

They are literally more closely related than stuff within Panthera or Ursus

2 MY of divergence tops

[austere sparrow]

At least let the guy you made up in your head to get mad at grow up, dog, you're feuding with an imaginary toddler rn 😭

[flint sable]

uh

hate to be that guy but

source?

[ancient ibex]

Arrhinoceratops

Found to be ancestral to Triceratopsini

Dated 70 MYA, while the oldest records of Triceratops and Torosaurus are dated 68 MYA

[ancient ibex]

What the hell are you talking about, it is a literal example in developmental psychology, but, seeing you are bent on stirring crap, <@&181496074169614336>

[austere sparrow]

...Bit of a delayed reaction there? And I hadn't said anything in a while, chill out ._.

[short rover]

Tbf there’s a genuine argument for African forest elephants being paleoloxodon iirc

[flint sable]

I thought they were hybridization iirc

~60% loxodonta and 30% paleoloxodon roughly

[short rover]

Ah, I hadn’t heard that

[ancient ibex]

And also Mammuthus and Elephas via Paleoloxodon as well

Literally all 4 elephantid genera into one small round eared forest boi

Elephants are introgression prone

(or, in other words, they will bang other elephants even if slighty off lol)

[silver steeple]

Technically the other way around

The introgression is almost entirely cyclotis to palaeoloxodon

So male loxodonta and female palaeoloxodon pairs were the most common

How L. cyclotis managed that, I have no idea. But that's what the genetics says

[ancient ibex]

mDNA is what consistently had Palaeoloxodon cyclotis after all IIRC

nuclear DNA kept recovering Loxodonta

[autumn plank]

For customizing the mini-exhibits, the mole duck would be awesome to have in the game

[floral tinsel]

Why did we get tagged in a thread lmao

[smoky spear]

[late swallow]

A better question is why is the green goblin wearing a walgreens hat

[silver steeple]

The goblin does as he pleases

[shell sonnet]

hey, man fighting spider-man ain't cheap

[feral cedar]

makes me wonder why Torosaurus is classified as its own genus but species of Panthera and Ursus aren’t

[austere sparrow]

Dinosaur privilege

[slim flare]

There’s no Torosaurus from older than 67 mya?

[feral cedar]

Well he did say 'tops'

which means at the most toro made it to 68 MYA

[slim flare]

Tops means maximum

[feral cedar]

...yeah?

[slim flare]

If Torosaurus and Triceratops existed as separate species 68 mya, that means they had to diverge more than 2 million years ago

[feral cedar]

Well it seems like Arrhinoceratops only lasted until 70 MYA

They diverged from Arrhino and were separate species starting circa 68mya

[slim flare]

So more than 2 million years minimum

4 million years tops

[topaz arrow]

I know its probably already been reccomended, but it would be neat if Sarcosuchus or Kaprosuchus were added.

[slim flare]

Why “or”?

They’re highly distinct, have both

[median flint]

Fwiw, @austere sparrow, behave

But that applies to you too, @ancient ibex

In what world was comparing the people you're arguing with to toddlers (even if in an experiment) going to be helpful?

Pinging moderators because you're offended by someone's response to that is a bit ... tonedeaf

[ancient ibex]

Bad wording from my part, but fair, sorry

[sharp dock]

I love the mole ducky BUT if I were to have a hawaiian species I would defo go with the Kauai o'o as mini exhibit...

[amber field]

hold on ... that's a weird duck

[sharp dock]

it's a cool fellow

hawaii was so cool

[amber field]

All islands were so cool

[sharp dock]

true dat

except britain wowee

[amber field]

Britain was part of mainland not long ago in terms of geological times , so....

[lean hound]

It's funny how it became part of the mainland and then disconnected again

[amber field]

It wants to be left alone

[sharp dock]

I really should go back to drawing island fauna.... been a long time

Bermuda was actually cooking

[shell sonnet]

Bone Wars

[low bridge]

Do u think that Cygnus Falconeri would Fit in Prehistoric Kingdom???

😵‍💫

[amber field]

I really want to see Cyprus animals as DLC

[low bridge]

I want Deinotherium with 3 species in game

Lol

[amber field]

I want to see some Eocene large mammals

[ancient ibex]

Both are Marsh taxa, named 2 years apart, and before any other ceratopsid pretty much

[sharp dock]

why cyprus

also wew I made that hippo drawing

[plush nacelle]

Zealandia DLC with all wacky species from New Zealand, New Caledonia, Norfolk, Chatam and Lord Howe

[amber field]

cyprus or malta one of them

[amber field]

Most of them can fit the mini's nicely

[low bridge]

Watch this: Eobasileus, Uintatherium, Embolotherium

[sharp dock]

I mean cyprus does have the tiniest hippo but if you want a whole group it's got nothing

[plush nacelle]

Expand it to Oceania and make it PZ style animal pack with 8 animals:
NZ: haast eagle, moas, huia
Hawaii: giant geese, o'o
Caledonia: mekosuchus, delacourt gecko
Lord howe: meiolania

[low bridge]

I hope for Colossal Cheetah aka Acinonyx Pleistocaniceus

Massive 190 kg

[mint creek]

Would be cool

[left spear]

You can't just use new caledonia and exclude sylviornis

[plush nacelle]

Hard to fit everything, you know

[left spear]

Gigarcanum is probably best for RE

Specimen is only like 200 years old

A RE mini edition to beore precise

[plush nacelle]

Would be nice, if mao nalos were compatible with at least one new zealand geese as alts

[amber field]

8 in one pack would be amazing

[left spear]

25-30€ pack

I mean worth for me but probably not the best idea

Tbh i nice way to do It could be selling the species individually, and then have the "dlcs" just be packs.

[plush nacelle]

I mean 4 of these animals are terrariums

[amber field]

hmm.... , that would be a bit unfair imo

[left spear]

How?

Like have each species be like 5-7€

[plush nacelle]

What

Thats expensive

[left spear]

I know it's not the best price but i'm upricing It, i'm sure the devs would find a suitable price

Essentially what i'm going for is like what tww3 does with it's newer legendary lords, just on a smaller scale

[amber field]

If you buy species individually would way more expensive than getting them in one pack, a DLC of 8 species would cost you at most 20 € but if you bought individually would cost 56€ lol

[left spear]

Eh 8 species for 20€ isn't fair either lol

But yes i get what you mean

[plush nacelle]

PK even now is relatively cheap compared to what it offers. I cant imagine it having such expensive DLCs

[amber field]

Really ?! is it Too low ?

[left spear]

For 8 yes

[plush nacelle]

20 $ tag would make sense only for these big aquatic and flying expansions

[left spear]

25

[low bridge]

Now vote lol

🫥

[left spear]

Uhhh the placental mammal

[amber field]

that too much lol

it would fit for big expansions

[austere sparrow]

Y'know I was against Big Hippo; but if we also got little Hippo and "some kind of third hippo" alongside it... 🤔

[sharp dock]

uhhhh idk

I still believe that islands are a bit of a rabbithole

[shell sonnet]

I know; and I think Marsh didn't bother to look too close in the similarities is because of his rivalry with Cope

[ancient ibex]

Stegodontosaurus meme

[feral cedar]

I was about to say Eobasileus AND Uintatherium might be a bit redundant until I googled the former

But Eobasileus is actually kinda cool and could work as an alt

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-let-him-cook-cook-cooking-breaking-bad-gif-27522167

[late swallow]

Roof tooth lizard

[shell sonnet]

you mean this one?

[ancient ibex]

Nah, the old meme of "I've found a tooth similar to those of Stegosaurus, will name it STEGODONTOSAURUS!"

[desert flame]

We need a Kentrosaurus as a alt species for Stegosaurus.

[lean hound]

Not as an alt

[wild relic]

Mmm I don't know about that one chief

They're too different to be alts for each other

[desert flame]

oh...
It will really that difficul.

[wild relic]

Yeah cause the alts we have are fairly simple changes in anatomy to each other but because they are very closely related genera the changes can be quite simple

This would be a lot harder to pull off because of Kentro's spikes and Stego not having any besides the four on its tail

To put it simply their anatomies/features are too different for it to work

[late swallow]

That's called a thagomizer. Thanks, Gary Larson

[wild relic]

Yes I know what a thagomizer is lol

I just didn't feel like I needed to say it

[desert flame]

uhhh...
So, what species would be good to add as an alternative to Stegosaurus?

[wild relic]

In all honesty I don't think Stego needs an alt

But if it did

The best choice imo would be Wuerhosaurus, it's the most closest to Stegosaurus and resembles it a lot closer than Kentro

[desert flame]

yes
Wuerhosaurus is a good idea.

[wild relic]

Another one possibly Hesperosaurus

[late swallow]

Stego is believed to be getting 2 species in 17, wouldn't be opposed to Wue [S. homheni?] Down the line

[late swallow]

This homheni or Hespero?

[slim flare]

Wuerhosaurus

[wild relic]

Whether or not if it would be Hespero or Wuerho either one works

[late swallow]

W. homheni's plates may not have actually been reduced - there's contention about whether what we do have was just broken

[wild relic]

Mhm

[silver steeple]

The contention is about how broken

[ancient ibex]

Wuerho has the utility of being Cretaceous, and unlike JWE, it being a nothingburger has far less issues in this game as it is a nice little extra

[silver steeple]

Not whether they were or not

[slim flare]

Or the other Stegosaurus

[plush nacelle]

Wuerhosaurus by far the best.

[wild relic]

The original person was talking about an alt genus not species because I'm pretty sure Stego is already going to have two species

[late swallow]

Stegosaurus has 3 widely accepted valid species

[slim flare]

It has two

[slim flare]

It is not confirmed to have two species, no

[late swallow]

S. sulcatus

[slim flare]

Stegosaurus is only getting one alt

Whether it be species or genus

[shell sonnet]

Kentro is way to different from Steg to be an alt

[steep tulip]

Could be 2 stenops and 2 ungulatus following trike

[shell sonnet]

though I suppose Kentro and Tuojiango could work

[steep tulip]

Nah

[short rover]

Nah those are also pretty distinct

If there was a genus alt for stego id guess Hespero

[hollow furnace]

Saying 'stegosaurus' sulcatus is widely accepted valid species is not quite the whole picture

It's definitely a distinct thing, but whether or not that's distinct as a stegosaurus species, or a seperate genus, is debated

[slim flare]

Honestly I’m fine with Stego 2, Wuerho or Hespero

I was originally bummed it was going to be 4 stenops

[shell sonnet]

looking again, yeah the shape of the back is different between the two

[steep tulip]

I believe the kentro one is a bit outdated

[short rover]

Not to mention the spikes being in completely different orientations

[steep tulip]

It's a bit more stockier than this one

And tuojiangosaurus is like
More slender

[feral cedar]

hmmm

[slim flare]

Wuerhosaurus would be cool because JPOG cut content

[feral cedar]

Tuojiangosaurus should have more spikes on its thagomizer

source? Chungkingosaurus

[short rover]

It was also the last stegosaur

[slim flare]

Did Hesperosaurus and Stegosaurus actually coexist temporally and geographically?

[outer moth]

It don’t work

[slim flare]

We definitely need Kentrosaurus tho

[feral cedar]

Look at that tail

[steep tulip]

Do none of the other preserve more spikes

Cuz like

[steep tulip]

Chunkingosaurus is really not as complete as the others
Ig Just luck

[feral cedar]

Chungkingosaurus is either a very very close relative of Tuojiangosaurus or just Tuojiangosaurus drinking from the fountain of youth, so to speak

[steep tulip]

Fair lol

[feral cedar]

AND we don't have tuoji's tail

[outer moth]

Wuehro seems to be the most likely alt for Stego tbh

[feral cedar]

So we can totally just shrug and give an eight-spiked thagomizer to Tuojiangosaurus

[steep tulip]

I would say ungulatus seems to be

[feral cedar]

isn't there debate as to whether ungulatus and stenops are the same species

[steep tulip]

Yes

But there are differences in the 2 still

[feral cedar]

what kind of differences

[outer moth]

I just don’t know what the plates would look like since they ain’t short like in most depictions

[shell sonnet]

Dravidosaurus 😉

[steep tulip]

Size and spikes

Mainly

[steep tulip]

Ain't that one debated to be an elasmosaur

But no worries

Soon whuero will be dethroned

[shell sonnet]

that's what the emoji is for

[shell sonnet]

I'm not seriously suggesting it

[steep tulip]

We add stegourus as stego alt

Basically the same animal
Even have similar names

[shell sonnet]

Still Steg, Kent, Mira, Huyango, and Tuoij are my choices for stegosaurs; in that order

[steep tulip]

Same but I prefer gigantspino over huyango and tuojiango
Tho if we do get 5 stegos tuojiangosaurus would be neat

[late swallow]

Gigantspino my beloved

[toxic oriole]

Beware the Kentucky dinosaur........

[shell sonnet]

Either Huyango or Gigantospino is fine; i just prefer that Huyango is more complete including having the full skull

Hope they add the osteoderms as well

[slim flare]

Remember back in the day when people thought Nodosaurids were derived Stegosaurs?

[late swallow]

No

[slim flare]

I remember

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/pepperidge-pepperidge-farm-remembers-remember-gif-15527169458174144495

[late swallow]

I think that qualifies you as an exhibit /lh

[austere sparrow]

I vaguely remember seeing that in books that were outdated already by the time I was a kid. Was fucking whack to realize "nodosaurs" just, straight up existed in the Jurassic. Like what the hell do you mean you're Gargoyleosaurus from the Morrison formation, random weird-looking Nodosaur; is that even allowed

[toxic oriole]

Gargoyle dinosaur? What?

[wild relic]

It's an ankylosaur

[wild relic]

Cool little fella

[shell sonnet]

Eh... Morrison connection aside, it's not high on my list of Nodosaurs

[wild relic]

True

My nodosaur list consists of Sauropelta, Edmontonia and Panoplosaurus

[slim flare]

I think it’s neat not only because Morrison but it’s age and size being rather unique amongst other popular Ankylosaurs

[wild relic]

That does give it some benefits

[late swallow]

It also has a cool ass name

And a specific name that got errata'd

[digital bridge]

Ｉ want a borealopelta

[ancient ibex]

Panoplosaurs and polacanths, perhaps struthiosaurs

[austere sparrow]

I wouldn't mind Gargoyleosaurus down the line but I defnitely would not want it like. for now

[shell sonnet]

Sauropelta honestly would be first (especially if they bring back the Cloverly gang); either Edmontonia or Panaplosaurus (yeah, we think we’re getting two species of the former), Polacanthus just to add with Iggy, Gastonia for an another Cedar Mountain animal, Borealopelta because well it’s Broealopelta, and while I’m not a big Hateg Island supporter, Europelta as well if you want Hateg Island Struthiosaurus as an alt.

I think I would prefer all but maybe Sturthi/Europelta over Gargoyle

[slim flare]

After Edmontonia

[short rover]

Sauropelta, Gastonia w/ polacanthus alt and edmontonia are my most wanted nodos for sure

[vivid field]

PLEASE

PLEASE BOREALO

also if we get borealo we need the skeleton

adds to Thyreophora + awesome animal + complete skeleton

it’s a win three ways

[shell sonnet]

As for Ankys, I'd probably go with Pinacosaurus (really any Mongolian one, but that's my first pick), Euoplocephalus

and I honestly, I think that's it

I'm sure I'm missing something

[short rover]

I want at least one paranky

I’m partial to antarctopelta but I’m fine with whatever

[shell sonnet]

I think Stegouros would be a better choice but that's just me

[short rover]

Stegorous would be cool but it’s also really small

[silver steeple]

Iirc its like just barely in the range

[short rover]

Could easily be an alt of antarcto as well tbh

I just like antarcto cuz it’s a bit more reasonable in size and it’s from Antarctica but as I said, I don’t care too much

I just want at least one funny tail guy

[glass snow]

it is barely big enough but passes

[vivid field]

same

[glass snow]

anarcto is good sized and you know from antarctica but stegouro being alt would be nice

[vivid field]

i want Pinacosaurus, Euoplocephalus, Scutellosaurus, and Stegorous

[cold hearth]

If it hasn't already been said, then I suggest : Austroraptor.

[silver steeple]

It has been

[short rover]

Austro is very popular in terms of picks

[silver steeple]

Since the dawn of time

I promise that almost any taxa you can bring up has been brought up before

[shell sonnet]

Stegorous isn't much smaller than P. mongoliensis

[cold hearth]

Oh, right.

[short rover]

Though, is it sacrilegious to say I’d prefer buitreraptor a tiny bit more? A smaller heron raptor would just be kinda cool to me

[shell sonnet]

It's the more complete of the two

[short rover]

I still love austro

[hollow flower]

Austros alot more robust compared to its cousins so it is sort of fair to say that

[shell sonnet]

I like Austro, but I will fight anyone who suggests it should be included before Deinonychus

[hollow flower]

And I know this isnt exactly a great example of an animal but something with these proportions would be cool to see

[short rover]

Deinon is my favorite Dino so I got a bias

[hollow flower]

Nah I would much rather get Austro over Deinonychus

[silver steeple]

Now you must fight

Whoever wins gets their dino in the game

[short rover]

https://tenor.com/view/aokiji-kuzan-aokiji-akainu-sakazuki-one-piece-gif-25814193

[sharp dock]

Biosyn more like uglyassyn

[late swallow]

Good choice

[short rover]

Erm wrong thread!

[ancient ibex]

Not comparable tho

[late swallow]

Pinaco is so wacky

I might make a proper wish list at some point

[late swallow]

Australovenator, hoverer

[short rover]

Australo, megaraptor, maip triple threat alt

[shell sonnet]

wish we had better megaraptor remains

[austere sparrow]

Ngl I do think having one of the heron Coelurosaurs before Deinonychus probably does make more sense, even if I am not much of a fan of Austroraptor in particular. Yes yes Deinonychus is important to science or whatever; but we can tide the wait time for it over with neotenic Utahraptor (bcuz it almost definitely will pop up sooner or later)

Although I'd much rather have Pelecanimimus than Austroraptor (even though they are probably distinct enough you could add both without any stepping-on-each-others toes)

[silver steeple]

On one hand I like the idea, on the other hand they could fuckin cook with skins so

[austere sparrow]

Feel like the "Australo, Megaraptor, Maip neoteny alts" idea has come up often enough that the devs probably saw it if they look in this chat at all; and if not, probably thought of the idea on their lonesome anyway... 🤔

Though Boi is right, Megaraptors would definitely allow for some great unique skins and it'd be a shame to restrict them just to one each

[wary nacelle]

Anthracosaurus
Idk if I posted this before

[steep tulip]

Burnt the kitchen with this one

[silver steeple]

Imo if they go the alt route, I'd rather they drop Australo tbh

Not because I dislike Australo

[steep tulip]

Australo is pretty small all things considered

[short rover]

That’s why he’s neat

[silver steeple]

I just think its unique enough as a megaraptoran to stand on its own

[steep tulip]

And probably the one that stands better as another megaraptor pick

[silver steeple]

Megaraptor + Maip tho would be dope and almost certainly easier proportionally

[austere sparrow]

Does check out

...Do feel like Australovenator also has the biggest shot out of all of these three to get added on its lonesome down the line if the triple treat doesn't work out; too

[silver steeple]

Exactly

[ancient ibex]

We don't really have much of megaraptorids as a whole

[austere sparrow]

I do hope they include a spotted yellow skin for Australovenator if they do add it, I utterly love that one design from that Australian museum that uses it, despite never having been there in person

[silver steeple]

We have enough to get a decent idea of what they look like

[shell sonnet]

you're drawing from a lot of genera, let alone specimen

[late swallow]

Pretty colours

[silver steeple]

Yes that is how paleontology works

[late swallow]

"Too fragmentary" doesn't hold up as a reason to not include a species in the game tbh

[shell sonnet]

I think it's still a valid one; and no just because the devs had add things like Carach doesn't change that especially because people still want Giga

[silver steeple]

It does for certain things

But certainly not megaraptorans

[late swallow]

Do you have any examples?

[silver steeple]

Balaur

[sharp dock]

Thanos

[silver steeple]

Frag to the point we don't know where it sits phylogenetically

Kinda hard to put it into a game when you don't have a definitive idea what it looks like

[late swallow]

Okay, yeah I see that level of fragmentation being a problem

With nothing you can guess with from related genera

[silver steeple]

Its not even super frag, its just missing a ton of very diagnostic bones lol

[steep tulip]

Imo it basically comes to how well known its relatives are, and if there's anything interesting about the known material
So like
Hatze, barina, leallyna (ik that one is shakier but whatever)
Definitely not the best known animals, but we can figure out how they looked like and they all have at least a special attribute that does make them interesting
Now, stuff like nanuqsaurus, genyodectes, oxalaia
They are fragmentary and all of their interesting traits are made up

Add gigantopithecus to this list too

[late swallow]

All caudals, anterior thoracic, and cervical vertebrae, both femur, and any cranial material lmao

Looks like part of the sacrum too

Oh this was on Hațeg

[toxic oriole]

Not to mention Oxalaia's fossil having been burnt to a crisp in 2018

But hey, theres still some stuff to go off of for that guy

[austere sparrow]

Ah, Oxalaia, aka "Hey devs. You didn't give us an accurate Spinosaurus yet. I am giving you a second chance. Do not disappoint me again."

...Not sure I have to explicitly say but I don't think PK needs it.

[toxic oriole]

Eh, ontogeny Spinosaurus at one part can be a close enough substitute

Not sure which age it is, but I know it seems to be quite equal to the size of Oxalaia (Estimated)

[austere sparrow]

Oxalaia can join the honorary ontogeny-based genera with Europasaurus, Megalosaurus and Irritator

[toxic oriole]

Might as well revisit some "Nomen Dubium" DLC concept

Just that theres not much to go off of

And one of them is already in the game to begin with (Seismosaurus, its just D. hallorum)

... Oh

Not really

I mean, technically

🤷‍♀️

Whatever

[austere sparrow]

Dippy isn't ingame yet

[toxic oriole]

Seismosaurus could just be the alt genus, even if its just D. hallorum

So best exclude that one from the nomen dubium idea

Same with Suchosaurus, since Baryonyx isnt ingame yet either

[austere sparrow]

Dippy has much more worthwhile potential alt genera

Assuming you even have to dip (ha) out of the actual Dippy species

Would be sad about no Kaatedocus/Barosaurus/Supersaurus; but not all of these are getting in anyway; and Dippy being the second coming of Camarasaurus would be kinda neat

...Hm. Barosaurus and Supersaurus I could potentially see coming in as DLC filler down the line

I would surely eat my own words and grow sick of them

[toxic oriole]

Now, Maraapunisaurus would be an interesting rebacchisaurid sauropod idea

But why just Maraapunisaurus?

[silver steeple]

Nah

[austere sparrow]

I'd rather have Rebbachisaurus and/or Nigersaurus, even though they're less huge

[silver steeple]

We do not need Maraapuni

Period

[toxic oriole]

I don't see the "We" in this context

[hollow flower]

Most complete megasauropod

[austere sparrow]

Isn't that bone lost too

Like. Got destroyed...?

[toxic oriole]

Then theres the Bruhathkayosaurus thing

[austere sparrow]

Or am I mixed my fragmentary taxa bones up

[hollow flower]

Yes

[austere sparrow]

The Bruhaha? Didn't that one turn out to be a tree?

[toxic oriole]

I know well once the fossil for Bruhathkayosaurus was dug up, it slowly decomposed

And then it disappeared

[hollow flower]

Bruhatks bones disintegrated as wikipedia puts it

[toxic oriole]

Unstable environment or something

[austere sparrow]

Rest in piece, Bruhaha 😔

[toxic oriole]

DLC idea: Lost Fossils

[late swallow]

Hooversaurus

[toxic oriole]

Literally lost in the sense of got destroyed or something

[austere sparrow]

Idk Bruhat is pretty obscure and like. Isn't it just a Titanosaur or Mamenchisaur anyway? We have more well known options for those

[late swallow]

Oh hey we have one of those already!

[hollow flower]

Titanosaur

[austere sparrow]

Depressing

I nominate Aegyptosaurus

[toxic oriole]

I very well would nominate Tameryraptor

[hollow flower]

And theres plenty of giant titanosaurs to go around

Stomatosuchus

[austere sparrow]

Damn, Stomatosuchus got got? RIP to a real one

Fucking nazis

[toxic oriole]

Tameryraptor moment

The original Carcharodontosaurus

or something

Before it became its own thing recently

[late swallow]

Mamenchisaurus is at the top of my Sauropod list, alongside Diplodocus, Nigersaurus, and Amargasaurus

[hollow flower]

Tbf it was the allies who blew it up but it most certainly is the nazis fault for not putting them in a safety bunker

And the nazis also blew up very pristine ichtyosaurs in london

[late swallow]

Yeh, the Holotype of Tameryraptor was once the Holotype of C. saharicus

[toxic oriole]

So theres alot of candidates for a Lost Fossils DLC (Lost as in destroyed or anything similar)

Isnt there

[late swallow]

It wasn't put in the bunker because Stromer wasn't a Nazi

[hollow flower]

Is that why?

[late swallow]

Yes

[toxic oriole]

Even then, Oxalaia would unfortunately fit well into that DLC, to the dismay of many people

[hollow flower]

Well then they can piss off with that

[austere sparrow]

Besides Oxalaia there's also quite a few actually great Pterosaur fossils that got destroyed in that Brasil Museum fire

I believe Tupandactylus and Tropeognathus were both in there

[hollow flower]

Oxalaia is uh

something

[late swallow]

The curator was aligned with Adolfs ideals, and as Stromer was not, sorry buddy, tough shit

[toxic oriole]

Y'know what, forget the whole Nomen Dubium DLC
I think that Lost Fossils DLC idea might actually be better

[hollow flower]

Definetly

[late swallow]

And the entire field of palaeontology had to suffer [nowhere near as much as those who had to live through the experiences, obviously]

[austere sparrow]

Since Spinosaurus apparently got around, I am hoping Oxalaia represents a second (third?) species of Spinosaurus, feel like that's a status upgrade for it

[hollow flower]

Mostly because Nomen dubiums are inherently nothingburgers

[toxic oriole]

I take it you're going off that Scimitar Crested Spinosaurus?

[late swallow]

But we certainly lost a lot of time where we could know a lot more about Spinosaurus

[hollow flower]

Whereas lost fossils are usually known due to having some sort of unique trait

Otherwise no one would document them being lost

[austere sparrow]

I mean hey, chances are we'll pick up plenty of nomen dubiums if the devs keep going the way they have

[austere sparrow]

Off of what now

[hollow flower]

Also while researching Maraa I found this sculpture from poland for it

[late swallow]

S. morrocanus was absolved into S. aegypticus

[toxic oriole]

I heard something about a Spinosaurus fossil that apparently had a crest shaped like a Scimitar

[austere sparrow]

Okay?

I might vaguely know what you're talking about but I wasn't explicitly thinking of it no

[toxic oriole]

And by the time peeps were talking about it, it hadnt been fully displayed

At least, from what I can remember

Okay lets get to the list of Lost Fossils

Aegyptosaurus
Tameryraptor
Oxalaia
Kentrosaurus
Bahariasaurus
Tapejara
Tropeognathus
Tupandactylus
Irritator
Stomatosuchus
Cearadactylus
Anhanguera
Maxakalisaurus
Amazonsaurus
Tupuxuara
Baurusaurus

Huh, didnt realise some Irritator specimen got destroyed in a museum fire, or is that just what the machine says

I'll check

Oh wait, the holotype was lost or something

Yet some stuff remains of the animal

... I'm not sure if Irritator should count for that Lost Fossils DLC

I mean theres always Icthyosaurus, though some casts had been recovered

I'm not entirely sure

[silver steeple]

Quite literally turned to dust yes

[toxic oriole]

Its unfortunate how there are so many candidates for a Lost Fossils DLC, but also fortunate at the same time

Aight I'll shut up about it for now, leaving the headliners of said DLC IF it were picked up and confirmed
Tameryraptor, Tropeognathus, Aegyptosaurus, Irritator (I know it was partially saved), Tapejara, Stomatosuchus

If not Irritator, I could swap it out for another one of those popular lost fossils

[hollow furnace]

The holotype of irritator is not destroyed it wasn't in brazil in the first place

[toxic oriole]

Then what Irritator fossil got destroyed?

Yeah I am not entirely sure

... I think I might have to replace Irritator on that headliners list, but I don't know any other popular lost ones

[feral cedar]

Sarcosaurus for PK 🔥

AND THE CROWD GOES MILD 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥

[steep tulip]

Does kentro really count

[toxic oriole]

Not entirely sure

[steep tulip]

A lot of material was destroyed, but we still have quite a few remaining

[feral cedar]

where are you even getting this information

[toxic oriole]

Do you honestly think theres any OTHER reliable source of information that aint Wikipedia?

Like, what else is there?

I know damn well some people are tryna SHUT DOWN wikipedia, or are wanting to shut it down, so that would end more paleontology info

So if it even did happen, where else would I go?

[steep tulip]

Why would anyone shut down wikipedia

[feral cedar]

well that’s just the thing

Wikipedia’s page for Tropeognathus doesn’t mention a destroyed specimen as far as I can tell

[toxic oriole]

Well the largest and most well-known specimen of Tropeognathus was destroyed in that 2018 Museum Fire that killed off Oxalaia's fossil

[glass snow]

the big specimen was destroyed in the fire

[toxic oriole]

Thats what I was going off of

[glass snow]

as well as the holotypes of tapejara, Cearadactylus, and many other brazillian pterosaurs

[toxic oriole]

And I can tell some people here arent even upset about Oxalaia's fossil being destroyed or something

Even then that was a long time ago

yet unfortunately they'd fit right into that Lost Fossils DLC idea to their dismay

-# even then its not really an excuse for oxalaia, its moreso an excuse to include tameryraptor and aegyptosaurus

[silver steeple]

None

You're probably thinking of Angaturama

[digital pendant]

the holotype got prepped bad so maybe thats where the "destroyed" thing came from?

[toxic oriole]

Yeah I looked into some sort of Reddit post that had a museum fire note

[silver steeple]

Which is what most people use as the basis of Irritator's post crania

[toxic oriole]

On fossils that were destroyed, a few unconfirmed ones and a few famous ones

Strangely enough, Irritator is on that list with the note: "partially saved"

[toxic oriole]

... Oh you've got to be kidding me

I look that up and I get irritator

SAME THING!?

[silver steeple]

Yeah

People conflate them a lot

Not impossible to be the same animal, but there's no overlap to know

[digital pendant]

i would be careful with such posts

they are an invitation to headcannons and misinformation

[glass snow]

this

[toxic oriole]

Well theres no other reliable sources out there
And I know reddit isnt reliable either

Wikipedia just gets edited alot which makes it somewhat less reliable

[digital pendant]

tbf even the museum staff isnt fully aware of what was lost, it just happens

[digital pendant]

not necessarily, they post sources

[glass snow]

Wikipedia also has fast editors

[digital pendant]

the constant editing helps keep it clean

[glass snow]

like famously fast editors

[toxic oriole]

Some pages dont even change at all, incredibly outdated pages or something

[silver steeple]

Sometimes there is nothing to change

[glass snow]

^

[digital pendant]

i did some wikipedia page editing some years ago, is not easy tbf

collecting papers and trying to put everything in a cohesive manner is a lot of work

[glass snow]

Wikipedia is fairly strict too with their edits if I remember correctly

[digital pendant]

sometimes there is the one or two papers about that animal and thats it

[toxic oriole]

I learned about the whole Cladoselache thing, where its just some sort of Ratfish

Yet on Wikipedia it says its a devonian period shark

[silver steeple]

Ratfish are often called sharks

[glass snow]

that is because the term shark depends on who you ask

[digital pendant]

the page does say its not a shark

"Cladoselache is considered one of the best-known early members of the Chondrichthyes: cartilaginous fish such as sharks, rays, and the deep-sea chimaeras (also known as ratfish or ghostsharks)."

there is the ratfish mention

[toxic oriole]

Ratshark just sounds funny to me

[digital pendant]

there is even the classification

[digital pendant]

same, fish got funny names

[silver steeple]

Even if outdated at times, Wikipedia is far more fact checked than a random redditor

[digital pendant]

yep

[glass snow]

yes they are also fairly strict

[toxic oriole]

Someone should put the destroyed Tropeognathus specimen (The big one thats well known) on that Wikipedia, mention it at least

[glass snow]

and it gets edited a lot

[feral cedar]

Wikipedia is reliable if for any reason because it lists actual sources you can use

[glass snow]

^

[toxic oriole]

Yeah and I don't have the brain capacity to read all those sources entirely
In other words, patience

I just like summaries of it, too much for my head

[feral cedar]

Wikipedia does sometimes fall behind though

[hollow furnace]

There's only so much you're going to get in terms of accurate information if you only rely on second and third hand sources

[glass snow]

I have a short attention span, autism and adhd and I read papers it is a essential thing to learn.

[feral cedar]

There’s zero mention of the adult material for Beipiaosaurus and Alioramus

[glass snow]

this

[hollow furnace]

That's because wikipedia, when working correctly, is reliant on reliable sources, and neither of those have reliable sources

(Twitter should not count as a reliable source)

[toxic oriole]

I would suggest Zuniceratops, but then again its just a baby

No adult specimens of it as far as I know

[glass snow]

reading sources is an essential skill not just for science but literally everything.

[silver steeple]

I've never heard that

[short rover]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-tantrum-angry-i-dont-want-to-gif-11164357

[toxic oriole]

I'm speaking about Zuniceratops

That one New Mexico Ceratopsian

And its holotype, or if it even IS a holotype, is of a juvenile specimen

[silver steeple]

Yeah I'm aware

Again

I've never heard of that claim

[hollow furnace]

Zuniceratops has adult specimens

[silver steeple]

Could you provide a source

[hollow furnace]

The holotype is immature but other specimens are adults

[toxic oriole]

You mean to tell me THERE ARE ADULT SPECIMENS?

[hollow furnace]

Yes

[silver steeple]

Cause everything I've heard indicates its a bonebed

With adults

[toxic oriole]

I take it they are incredibly fragmentary

Has anyone managed to make an adult Zuniceratops reconstruction that isnt just of the baby?

I really gotta see this for myself

[silver steeple]

This presumably

Which looks like pretty much every other recon so idk if the juvenile is all that much different

[toxic oriole]

No like, ADULT size

Fully grown or something

Since most people usually interpret the size of the baby specimen as the size of the adult

[hollow furnace]

Also I just realized wikipedia copy-pasted without actually reading the paper, so MSM P2101 is apparently now both a juvenile and an adult simultaneously according to wikipedia:

The holotype specimen, MSM P2101, is either a juvenile or a subadult,[5] while other specimens like MSM P2101 and MSM P3812 belong to adults.[6]

[silver steeple]

Lol

[hollow furnace]

It's not a baby, it's just immature. Adults are like, slightly larger

[silver steeple]

^

[toxic oriole]

Now I'm even more confused

This is a mount, right?

And its said to be Zuniceratops?

[slim flare]

Yes

[toxic oriole]

And how large is that mount compared to the average human adult?

About the same as the reconstruction chart?

Cuz the camera angle is confusing me

position really

[toxic oriole]

Small ceratopsian, yes

[late swallow]

Ridable by children

[toxic oriole]

Literally Deinonychus sized or something close in height

At least from what I can see

[silver steeple]

From what I remember hearing they're about the size of a cow or bison

At least in weight

Which would probably be about this size

[hollow furnace]

It somewhat depends on the reconstruction I think, this seems to scale pretty closely to the largest horn specimen we have?

[late swallow]

Why does that silhouette remind me of Alfred Hitchcock but scaled down in the x axis

[hollow furnace]

Actually a little undersized, this is closer — still pretty similar in size:

[toxic oriole]

I don't see a difference side by size here

[hollow furnace]

Because they are similar in size, as I said

The second is just a bit bigger

[steep tulip]

Why armadillosuchus there

[toxic oriole]

Comparison I think

Not sure

Oh now I see a difference, the largest horn specimen is slightly larger

[hollow furnace]

Yeah you're not going to see a difference if you clip it to just the skeletal lmao

Those are literally the same image, it's scaled up relative to the person and the meter scale bar

[hollow furnace]

Idk I just needed a zuniceratops skeletal with an actual scale bar

[ancient ibex]

Wikipedia has lost some luster as of recent years NGL, but that's on shifting editors

[outer moth]

Honestly I feel like devs could easily pull off Zuniceratops

Especially with quills n all

[feral cedar]

I mean… we have pictures of the Alioramus skull

[ancient ibex]

I mean, museum photos from reputed workers are fine, that's a personal communication of sorts

[digital pendant]

Its a reliable source

Direct from the people who work with the fossils

[glass snow]

yeah that is different than a person armchairing on twitter. When it’s a person actually working on the fossils and has photos.

[hollow furnace]

I should maybe reword what I meant, I'm not saying that the specimens aren't real or questioning the veractity of the sources, I more mean that twitter and personal communications like that probably shouldn't be used on wikipedia and the like

[ancient ibex]

Pers. comm. is pretty much "this is something a professional is making an educated guess on and is something to consider, but proper work would be preferable"

[final yarrow]

so

has every dinosaur been said yet here

[wary nacelle]

Yes but not every extinct lichen

[austere sparrow]

Not every dinosaur

People do not really care for birds, for a big example (especially modern ones) but there's been unmentioned animals of every group I believe

[austere sparrow]

Okay, I was curious; and there have indeed been multiple genera that have never been requested.
I was considering manually creating a list of every stupid dinosaur ever mentioned here; but between the old spec threads, this thread, and the people dumping stuff in the main chat, just looking for an animals name is massively misleading (cuz science chat and the likes exist, where people may mention dinosaurs a lot without necessarily considering them gameworthy inclusions).
So yeah, long story short, I was making a list of dinosaur genera and how often they had gotten mentioned in here, and gave up 22 names in. Definitely not something I can just mundanely power through lol. I did suggest trying to code up a bot for it before, though, maybe I could look into that.
However, of the 22 alphabetically earliest dinosaurs, four have already not been mentioned once (unless you count two posts of the same user linking to a list of all dinosaurs two distinct times). Shoutout to Abdarainurus, which was requested once, but mentioned in science chat four times.

...Ah. And speaking of false positives, that post right up there would essentially be one. lol.

[slim flare]

Brainrot

[austere sparrow]

I am interested in how closely my estimates of dinosaur fame/desirability match reality, sue me 😔

[steep tulip]

Horshamosaurus in pk would go hard

[mint creek]

Therizinosaurus sweep

[frozen gyro]

How do you think they would design Theri? Feathered or Featherless?

[cosmic cosmos]

Feathered and featherless slts

Same as deinocheirus

[frozen gyro]

Oh god, what will the baby look like?

https://tenor.com/view/angry-bird-злая-птица-gif-11035121084204696939

[steep tulip]

I prefer sparsely/short feathers than completely naked

I think even if tyrannosaurs looked mainly scaly, theri is closer to birds and it being a herbivore means it probably wasn't as active as they were

So not as much of a need to dissipate all that heat

[amber field]

Just imagine if this is one of the insectivores

[plain linden]

how big is this 👀

[amber field]

Sheep size

[plain linden]

oh damn-

that is-

one big echidna-

if it even is one-

[amber field]

I think it is the biggest monotreme that every lived

[desert flame]

big knuckles

[plain linden]

Ah yes,my favourite species
Alexandra

[austere sparrow]

That's clearly the genus. :V

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Imagine big camel equal to african elephant in height

[amber field]

https://zootycoon.fandom.com/wiki/Giant_Camel

[shell sonnet]

Put together a list of Paleozic terrestrial animals plus minis. along with dig sites

Dimetrodon grandis/limbatus/angelensis - Clear Fork Grp. - Arroyo Fm./Wichita Grp. - Archer City Fm./Pease River Grp. - San Angelo Fm.
Moschops capensis/Ulemosaurus svijagensis - Beaufort Grp./Kamenny Ravine
Cotylorhynchus romeri/hancocki - Hennessey Fm./Pease River Grp. - San Angelo Fm. - Flowerpot Shale Mbr.
Ophiacodon mirus - Abo/Cutler Fm.
Anteosaurus magnificus/Titanophoneus potens - Beaufort Grp. - Abrahamskraal Fm/Kamenny Ravine
Edaphosaurus cruciger/pogonias/boanerges/novomexicanus - Sumner Grp. - Garber Fm./Clear Fork Grp. - Arroyo Fm./Wichita Grp. - Archer City Fm./ Abo/Cutler Fm.
Inostrancevia alexandri/latifrons - Salarevo Fm./Salarevo Fm.
Scutosaurus karpinskii/Pareiasaurus serridens - Salarevo Fm./Beaufort Grp. - Balfour Fm.
Eryops megacephalus - Wichita Grp. - Archer City Fm.
Estemmenosuchus uralensis/mirabilis - Ezhovo Locality/Ezhovo Locality

Mini
Procynosuchus delaharpeae -Beaufort Grp. - Balfour Fm.
Meganeura monyi or. Meganeuropsis permiana - Commentry Shales Fm./Wellington Fm.
Platyhystrix rugosus - Laborcita Fm.
Arthropleura armata - Upper Saarbrucker layer Fm.
Diplocaulus magnicornis - Clear Fork Grp. - Arroyo Fm.

I honestly waffle with Eryops because it's too big for the terrarium (Arthropleura might be as well) but being an amphibian does mean its babies will start out as tiny tadpoles, unless we skip that phase. I originally had Archosaurus rossicus (with the Triassic Proterosuchus fergusi as an alt) but I felt Eryops was too iconic to cut.

[steep tulip]

Devs said a while ago that stuff like amphibians would get "special exhibits"

[vivid field]

i hope we get beelzebufo

[steep tulip]

This was when the minis were still planned to not be restricted to the terrarium tho

So who knows now

Tho eryops specifically works really well for full exhibit

[shell sonnet]

And yes there are four Edaphosaurus species in my list

[steep tulip]

Its nest is a pool and the babies come out already formed

[shell sonnet]

yeah, that's the problem. It's to big for a mini but too different for a full habitat

[glass snow]

it I imagine could just have a nest pool

[steep tulip]

Is it tho

[glass snow]

where the babies come out fully formed

anyways temno babies aren’t really tadpoles

[shell sonnet]

Have we found any; I couldn't find anything for Eryops

Any other thoughts on my listing; I was looking for feedback

[steep tulip]

Eryops and relatives larvae went through metamorphosis afaik
But does it really matter all that much

[steep tulip]

Seems cool

[left spear]

Temnospondyls theoretically should be free from that

I don't see Priono in an special exhibit

[vivid field]

can we get an april fools update every year with Cotylorhyncus and Spinofaarus (that’s just it, it’s just those animals from like April 1-April 3

[steep tulip]

Depends

A lot were water bound and idk how well it would work on land

[glass snow]

yeah they can just appear

from the nests ngl

[steep tulip]

Also their larvae were still more developed than modern day amphibians anyway

[glass snow]

The babies in this game aren’t like new borns

[steep tulip]

Yeah

[wild relic]

Gabriel Ugueto did a thing of the possibility if other drepanosauromorphs had the feather-like crests like ones seen on Mirasaura and Longisquama

Honestly would be cool to see Drepanosaurus with one

[left spear]

I can see It having a more horizontal collar like distribution

Either way a drepanosaur is a must

[hollow furnace]

There’s preserved soft tissue that might be the base of those spines on Drepenosaurus as well

[shell sonnet]

I had Lonisquama on an old list for a non-Dino Mesozoic DLC idea, so yeah I think a Drepenosaur should make it:
Castorocauda lutrasimilis
Eomaia scansoria
Didelphodon vorax
Longisquama insignis
Lystrosaurus murrayi

[desert flame]

There is a theory that the Castrocauda or Didelphodon is a semi-aquatic mammal that will be added in Update 16.

[final yarrow]

idk

girafe

[left spear]

Tbh for Siva just do giganteum + maurusium

[sage gull]

Palaeophis

[toxic oriole]

Sea snake?

[left spear]

Old krait

[left spear]

Yep, and very long

Fun aquatic

[sage gull]

Giant sea snake ☝️

[toxic oriole]

Two members of its genus huh?

I take it the big one is the main one or the second one

[flint sable]

thats

more than 2

[toxic oriole]

Well then I'll re-iterate

[sage gull]

The one I suggested is the Palaeophis Colossaeus

[toxic oriole]

Two specific members

[left spear]

Even has it's own family in Palaeophiidae

[toxic oriole]

So whats the 2nd genus member in that picture?

[left spear]

Go colossaeus + a normal species + Pterosphenus alt

[left spear]

There's like 7 species in that size range

[toxic oriole]

Imagine getting this guy before all the other snakes in the Mesozoic and Cenozoic

Then again there werent many snakes in the Mesozoic anyways

[left spear]

Tbh i would take this over Titano

[sage gull]

I don't know lol

[left spear]

Only remarkable one i can think of is Maadtsoia

[toxic oriole]

Snakes DID exist in the Mesozoic, they just werent very abundant back then

[left spear]

The one in PHP

[toxic oriole]

Now I know this one, Madtsoia, has a few Cenozoic fossils and a Mesozoic fossil

Late Cretaceous one or something

[low bridge]

Sivatherium MAUrisium hmmm

[outer crater]

We should have a legged snake for terrariums

[left spear]

Peak

Add it

Now

[sage gull]

The only snakes I'd be interested in seeing in the game would be the Titanoboa and Palaeophis

[toxic oriole]

Cant even look up "Largest Snake of the Mesozoic" since all you get is Titanoboa EVEN IF IT NEVER WAS IN THE MESOZOIC 😭

[low bridge]

Hope that Mau will love it

[sage gull]

and maybe Vasuki indicus too

[left spear]

Eh if It serves for anything is def a Maadtsoid

Probably Maadtsoia itself

[low bridge]

I need Dwarf Elephant

Dwarf Palaeoloxodon

[left spear]

It's a given frankly

[low bridge]

Exilis as Columbian Mammoth alt

Must have

[toxic oriole]

Well theres Nedophis, a snake on Hateg Island

Oh I meant Nidophis

Not a big one

[sage gull]

Is it known for sure whether Vasuki indicus is larger than Titanoboa?

[toxic oriole]

It depends really

Weight or something seems to be the most common one for Titanoboa

[low bridge]

Titanoboa was super chubby

[sage gull]

lol

[toxic oriole]

Funny how the Madtsoiidae snakes managed to survive the Cretaceous and make it into the Eocene

Okay so theres a Blind Snake in the Mesozoic

Boipeba

And from what some restorations show, its a land dwelling snake

[sage gull]

Armadillosuchus

[toxic oriole]

You should've seen the discussion of yesterday

We was talking about Zuniceratops and one picture just so happened to have Armadillosuchus as a size thing ALONGSIDE Zuniceratops

[left spear]

Titanoboa is probably bigger based solely on the type of snake It is, Vasuki is a Maadtsoid which seem to be pretty average proportions wise for a snake, Titanoboa is a anaconda like Boid so super robust

[toxic oriole]

Another snake called Coniophis

Wyoming one that made it to the Eocene

AND ONE IN HELL CREEK!?

Okay that one should be a popular guy

[left spear]

Yeah Snakes spreaded out super fast

[steep tulip]

I really hope to get at least one heterodont crocodylomorph eventually

Don't think simosuchus is

[outer crater]

Imagine if it's kapro because people keep requesting it

[toxic oriole]

Eupodophis, hmmm?

[steep tulip]

Kapro ain't an heterodont

[toxic oriole]

Oh its a transitional species between lizards and limbless snakes

Was that the legged snake one of you guys mentioned?

[left spear]

The wáter leggy fella right

[outer crater]

Well I see it has some big teeth here and there

[left spear]

Tetrapodophis?

[toxic oriole]

A snake with hindlimbs, Haasiophis

[left spear]

All tomorrows looking guy

[outer crater]

It'll be good for terrariums

[toxic oriole]

Kelyophis

I'm just looking at the list

[steep tulip]

It has big teeth but they don't count as different dentition

[toxic oriole]

Now I see the Madtsoia stuff

[steep tulip]

Heterodont crocs also chewed like mammals

[toxic oriole]

Four members of its genus from what I can see

[steep tulip]

And some have other traits similar to mammals

[left spear]

Thamnophis sirtalis

Cool mini

[toxic oriole]

Theres two Late Cretaceous members of Madtsoia
M. madagascariensis and M. pisdurensis

I'm not sure if M. bai is Mesozoic or Cenozoic

It doesnt say

Its the type species, but it doesnt say whether or not its Cenozoic or Mesozoic

Oh it actually DOES say it

Bai is the largest one of the Eocene within Argentina

So its an even number

2 Cenozoics and 2 Mesozoics

Yeesh, how many of these Mesozoic Snakes are there that were in Madagascar?

Theres Menarana, next one afterwards

[left spear]

Once again Madagascar proves how peak It is

[toxic oriole]

Giant frog, giant snake, you name it

[left spear]

Giant Bird, giant lemur.

[toxic oriole]

From what I can assume, M. madagascariensis would be the largest Mesozoic Snake of all time

Assuming no others have been found that are longer than M. madagascariensis

[plain linden]

Jesus christ that´s a lot of paleophis species

[late swallow]

Yknow what, respect

[tidal flame]

Flat-Headed Peccary a underrated and interesting animal.

[short rover]

It’s a peccary

Like it’s neat enough, but for the game? Eh

[low bridge]

Alt such as Bramatherium also will be good enough

[austere sparrow]

Peccary that isn't quite Peccary colored is whackier to see than the flatheadedness tbh

[ancient ibex]

Honestly the one peccary I could see is the butterfly faced one

Skinnerhyus

But the one swine I really would like to see is Kubanochoerus

Giant unicorn pig

[sharp dock]

Can you believe Kubanochoerus wasn't from Cuba

[austere sparrow]

Clearly Cuba must become a globe-spanning Empire to remedy this 🥲

[cold hearth]

A suggestion : Labocania aguillonae

[late swallow]

Mexican Tyrannosaur, don't see those everyday

[mccraensis when]

[slim flare]

Fragmentary af

[hollow flower]

Could be worse I suppose

[late swallow]

Could it tho

[hollow flower]

Well

[late swallow]

Could be a tooth taxon, I suppose

[shell sonnet]

Could be a chimera

[late swallow]

I also just wanna say that paleoart makes trike look like a puppy and I love it

[shell sonnet]

that's not trike, which didn't appear till after the Cerro del Pueblo Formation's time range

[late swallow]

Is that arrhino?

[shell sonnet]

We don't know

[late swallow]

Still cute

[shell sonnet]

none of the ceratopsian finds have been identified

[late swallow]

Also that's the skeletal of the other species, L. anomala

this is L. aguillonae

[ancient ibex]

There are far better tyrannosaurid choices

[late swallow]

Which, even worse!

And Voris, et al., the folks behind Khankhuuluu found L. anguillonae as a n.d.

[shell sonnet]

Alberto for one

and honestly, I would argue that's all you need for awhile

[wild relic]

Qianzhousaurus and Dasp

[ancient ibex]

Alioramus, yeah

Daspleto would also be neat, but way down the line

[wild relic]

And if we're including all of tyrannosauroidea then Yutyrannus too

[late swallow]

Alberto/Gorgo would make me happy